PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Fran Duffy film review: Dominant defense, up-and-down Jalen Hurts for the Philadelphia Eagles | PHLY

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

It’s a football-guy Tuesday, with Fran Duffy in studio to break down the Eagles’ 28-3 win over the New York Giants. Fran explains why this might have been the best game of the season for the defense, from Nakobe Dean, Bryce Huff, Jalen Carter, Josh Sweat and co. ramping up the pass rush and the back seven passing things off. And why does Joe Banner hate Quinyon Mitchell? Meanwhile, on offense, Jalen Hurts … probably played his worst game of the season.Join Fran, Zach Berman and Bo Wulf for a thorough review of the game and how the Eagles should prepare for for the Cincinnati Bengals. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the PHLY Eagles podcast presented by Bet365. Download the Bet365 app and use code PHY365 when you sign up, whatever the moment. It's Never Ordinary at Bet365. Welcome to the Tuesday show, Bo Wolf, Fran Duffy to my left. Zach Berman looking very serious with his hands clasped to Franz left. How's everybody doing? Doing good. I'm excited.

We have a lot to talk about today. Lots to talk about. A lot to get to. Zach, what's going on? You're curious about the Penunzio photo? Do you know who Shane Andrus is? Shane Andrus. Yeah, Shane Andres.

I know Sean Andrews. No, Shane Andrews Andrews. Michael Phelps in 2002. Okay, he kicked a game winning goal in a win over Eastern Illinois. Tony Romo was a quarterback for Eastern Illinois. Do you know who the coach that Murray State team was? Tracy Murray. Joe Penunzio.

I assume that's why we're, well, I assume that's why his picture was up there today. Well, I think it's a little, first of all, it makes me laugh. And the reason it makes me laugh is because we have the wire photo service. And it says on the wire photo that that's Vic Fangio. And there are actually a couple instances of Joe Penunzio showing up as somebody else makes me laugh. I was looking for a photo for the show. Film review, maybe Kellan Moore and Jalen Hertz looking at something on the sideline together, nothing there. Looking for Vic Fangio and Penanzio comes up and I think it's funny.

So there we go. But if you want to Nick Serri... There's also a bunch of... Yeah, exactly. If you wanted Nick Siriani and J. One Hertz talking to each other, you can actually see Kevin Patul talking to J.1. Hertz identified as Nick Seriali. And I thought about that one as well.

Okay. You know, we've got to keep ourselves entertained. We find our ways to do that. Yeah. It's not hard to do that here. Okay. Some breaking news before we get to the breakdown. We're going to start with the defense.

We're going to be happy. And then we're going to talk about the offense and why maybe things are not quite as rosy as they seem in a 28-to-3 victory. But, Zach, do you want to give us the, this scoop on the reporting of a potential roster change. Yeah, according to Jordan Shultz, shout out the Jordan. He's at Bleacher Report now. He took that job earlier this month. I'm sorry, not Bleacher Report.

Fox Sports. Fox Sports. I apologize. Screw that up. Shout out to Jordan. He's at Fox Sports now. Shout out the Jordan. He took that job.

He sure did. And according to Jordan Shultz from Fox Sports, the Eagles are releasing Paris Campbell. No, voire. More me. This opens a roster spot. Thank you very much, but I see a little need now. The Eagles can activate Anaya Smith for my R, who his practice window is coming to a close soon. If they wanted a third tight end for this week, they could activate Albert O.

Who returned to practice last week. So the Eagles do have options there. I would think Anaya Smith would make sense from a receiver perspective. The Eagles could always elevate C.J. Zama from practice squad as a third tight end this week. week if that's the route they wanted to go, but we will see. I've been thinking about Albert Okwebunam and how we always call him Albert O. Why don't we just call him Alberto? Sure.

Alberto Guigmanam. I got to say, Bo, you tell us we have so much that we need to discuss these Thursday, these Tuesday and Thursday shows with Fran. It's like we can't fit anything. You know, I want to do with this interview for a Thursday show. You're like, I don't know if so much we need to get to, we're discussing the Albert O Alberto. And so then I went through the rest of the roster.

I tried to figure out who else would that be fun for. And I think my second favorite is Brandong Ram. Okay. It's a good one, too. Yeah. I do want to make a quick note here. We're going to have something. Well, if you go to all p.l y.com to read France,

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and I promise you, you will be. satisfied, especially with the film reviews. An introductory offer, does that mean you get to meet somebody? No, it's an offer that is an introductory rate. And then thereafter, there's the full rate. Now, is that the same bottle of Hawaiian water? It's the same bottle, not the same water. So I had the water, I had the bottle in my car.

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Anything from the coordinators that is worth unpacking. Yeah, it'll probably match up with what Friends can talk about, but a big emphasis from Vic Fangio was that, With the increased production in past rush, it's really the Russian coverage marriage, if you will. So he wants us to do that bit. That you're seeing them work together. That's a big point of emphasis from Vic. And then we'll kind of get into different things that we'll sprinkle in as we hear from Fran.

Regarding with Kellan Moore, he was talking about the explosive plays. And he said, really, that's just talent. That's, you know, explosive plays are more a byproduct of, like, outstanding players performing at that level. He talked about kind of the aggressiveness of that AJ Brown call that they saw the Giants were playing real tight on third downs. They thought they'd have an opportunity to hit them there. Michael Clay, you know, they did not have those catastrophic plays this past game, but he does want to clean up the penalties. That's something that came up because those are just simple mental things. a guy like Orrin Berks is used to on kickoffs, you know, going at the sound of the kick.

He needs to wait for the ball to be caught with the new kickoff rules. So, oh, and probably most noteworthy there. And this kind of combines Vic Fangio and Michael Clay. Vic Fangio does not want Cooper the Gene returning ponds. He didn't want Navarro Bowman covering puns either back with San Francisco. But that's obviously not Vic Fangio's decision. A lot of this really depends. I imagine on Britten Covey when Britten Covey comes back.

And Nick and Michael Clay said they are looking at some of these other options, but Kelvin Gine's been really productive there. I did not listen to Vic. Was it like how, I think there's a little too much being made of this. I think he's saying like, yeah, if I had my choice, I would not want him out there. But he like he understands that it's for the better part of the betterment of the T. That's why he, I understood that. That's why he brought the Navar Bowman thing.

He used that to buttress the point. Like, I don't want Bowman doing this. but Bowman did it for my entire time in San Francisco. So if Navarro Bowman can play special teams, Cooper the Gene can play special teams. There we go. All right. Well, let's talk about Cooper de Jean. Let's transition it that way, Fran.

And aside from the past rush finally getting home, and as Vic Fangio said, a lot of that had to do with Daniel Jones having to hold on to the ball a little bit more. You were, according to what you wrote on on p.hly.com, perhaps even more impressed with Cooper DeGine in this game than you were in his debut. Definitely. I think that when you look at the secondary and the back. back seven. That's what I was most excited to see, honestly, from this entire game, both sides of the football, was what did the back seven look like on a number of those sacks and just throughout the

course of the game? Because we saw not just the sacks from Daniel Jones, but a number of throwaways and a number of checkdowns. I mean, his yards per attempt was super, super low in this football game. And so I think that speaks to the way the back seven performed. I thought Cooper DeGine was outstanding. I thought Nicopi Dean was really good in coverage in this game. Read Blanketship showed up. Quinyon Mitchell showed up, Darius Slay. You just go across the board. and I felt like everybody showed up. You said the entire secondary except for CJ Gardner-Johnson. Is that on purpose?

There were, I would say that there were a couple where I was like, oh, that's a good one by CJ, but I think the other guys just showed up more often, you know, in that area. So if we rewind back to the pre-buy right before the, or right after the Bucks game, we talked about how often players were running free in the secondary and there was just too much space allowed and everyone was making a big deal about the press coverage. And I said, look, it's not necessarily about press coverage versus off coverage. it's more about the room allowed matching those routes once you get up to the second level. And I thought so often in this game you saw maybe a route coming from the left and a route coming from the right.

And you saw C.J. Gardner or Cooper DeGine and Nicoby-Dine matching those routes perfectly. And I put out a few examples on Twitter. But then if you go into that article on all-P-H-L-Y.com, you can see, I think I posted like 10 or 11 examples in total from that game. And so for me, that was my biggest takeaway from defense. Now, Vic Fangio said in his... press conference today that they were very heavy zone in this game. The true media numbers bear this out. Just 9% man for the Eagles in this game. By far, they're lowest of the season. And so that goes into them being able to pass all of that stuff. Well, do you think it was the case of this is our

plan going in? Or it was like, oh, they're handling this well. Let's stay with it. That's tough to say. I would say that, you know, one of the things I think a lot of people will look at, it was the Giants and they're receiving corps as much to write home about. That's actually the biggest positive for me in seeing this development in that when you're talking about matching routes, it doesn't matter if that's Malik neighbors running the shallow crossing route or if that's Darius Slayton or if that's

Jerry Rice or insert receiver here. Who's your favorite? Blue Cooper. We were just talking about him last week. So Blue Cooper running that shallow crossing route. It doesn't matter who that is. You have to match it, right? And so for me, my biggest takeaway was the fact that they just looked so sound doing it. I don't expect

that that's going to be the norm moving forward because you have a bunch of young players and guys getting a from the scheme. There's going to be peaks and valleys there, but I thought that was a strength of that unit in this game. Very good. Super chat question from Claude that we will get to when we talk about the offense. So stay tuned, Claude. Yeah, and I think that that is an important thing to remember. And we do this show every day, and it's hard to put it. What do you raise your head? We did do the show every day. That is correct. We do the show every day. Okay, you finish. I didn't interrupt you.

You did interrupt yourself on that while. I did not say a thing. The peaks and valleys of it, you know, especially with younger players and inexperienced players. And I make that difference because Nikobe Dean is his third year, but he has not played a ton. He has had a very sort of up and down start to the season early on looked pretty good. He strove on the last couple games heading into this game. And so encouraging to see that take a step forward in this game. I would say the concerns I have.

And we're talking beyond the blitzing, which is. Yeah, right, yeah, yeah. No question. To me, the further Nicobi Dean gets from the hash mark, like from the middle of the field, that's where I feel like those limitations really show up. To me, it's a matter of he's not the best athlete in the world. So when he has to work hard to be on his horse to get outside towards the sideline, that's where you see some of those limitations show up his failure to break down at times,

the lack of speed and burst to be able to get. He lost the edge on that one screen to Eric Gray early in the game. So I think that ultimately, if he's working between the hash marks and if he's working vertically, like up and down straight downhill. That's where I think we see him at his best. He did a really good job of matching some of these routes in this football game. And again, like if that's the way that they feel like they can play with him. And look, if they have to play a lot of man, maybe that's where he's a whole player underneath and he's a blitzer.

And that's it. And that's kind of finding that sweet spot for Nikobe Dean in this scheme. So I think that overall this was probably, I mean, it was certainly his best game playing in coverage. And again, it's not, oh, look at a man up on the running back. It's him understanding the routes that are being deployed around him and how to match those routes on the run. For the sickos who are trying to watch film themselves, what are the plays that stand out when you were impressed with? So it's a question. Yep.

So I again posted a bunch on the all-P-H-L-Y on the article that went up on all-PHLY this afternoon. So there was the sack by Jalen Carter. The second one by Jalen Carter. That one stands out to me where he, there was like a curl route in the middle of the field, and he kind of stepped right in front of that window. There was another one where it was a checkdown to the running back out of the backfield and he was able to match the crossing route. So there were a handful from Dean.

And then to me, like the ones with Dijin as well, I was just really, really impressed. Again, this has always been a strength of like Avanti Max's game as well. I remember there was the game. I think it was against Carson Wentz's his first game playing the Eagles against Washington. They sacked him a bunch of time. What was that? It was like a 10-sack game, right? A couple of years back.

The pass-offs in that season in 2022 were off. And I remember like Avante Maddox and T.J. Edwards and all of those guys. There were so many good examples in that one. This one, not quite to that level, but still, I was really impressed with the way that the middle of the fields acted in this game. So you said on the show on Sunday, the postgame show, that you couldn't wait to see that they'll watch the film on the back end to see how that affected the sacks. And Vic Fangio made that point about the sacks, about rush and coverage marrying together. What insight did you glean about how the coverage really affected the past. fresh. Yeah, I think just the big thing is that you don't want receivers, obviously, running

Scott-free through the middle of the field, or if there's a shallow, if you're playing zone coverage, it's not, all right, I have to drop to my landmark. This is my part of the desk, and I'm going to stay here, but it's the match-up zone in basketball, right? Where if a guy comes into my area, I have to, you know, play, essentially play man-to-man within that zone. And if he leaves that zone, I've got to find somebody else to latch onto. And so that's what was really fun for me, is like those defenders working on that string where, all right, there's a shallow cross coming from right to left, and there's a hook route

coming from the other side. You see Nikobe Dean and Cooper DeGine pass that off where maybe Cooper's on the shallow cross, and he passes the shallow cross off from Nikobe. He goes down to the shallow, and then Nikobe drops off onto the hook ground. You know what I mean? Like you see so often that that was able to happen in this game. Why'd you laugh?

I don't think you want me to say why I laughed. Do you want me to say, I mean... What? Well, no, I mean... Do you feel like that was the first question? Yes. No, it was a good question. Okay.

I was laughing because you said, did the sacks reflect the back end? And I was thinking, usually that's more on the front end. Okay. I thought that I repeated a question that I'm listening to the whole thing. I wasn't going to bring it up. I was going to move on.

Okay. I had nothing to do with the question you asked. It was a good question. I was going to interject here. The mind goes where it goes. When you talk about how he'll, omitted CJ Gardner Johnson and like was that intentional or not it did bring up and this will probably get to the next part of the conversation it did get it it made me think of the press

conference today when Vic Fangio was asked a specific question about how Nolan Smith and Bryce Hoff have improved as past right you know have been had really improved these past few weeks and he gives his answer about like no he's like yeah Nolan Smith especially is really look good and then he he goes on about some of the things Nolan Smith did and then the question came up about Bryce off he's like yeah well there were more pass rush opportunities in this game Right, which is basically his way of saying like, Bryce off could only do this. Well, let's, let's ask about that. What did you think of Breisov?

I mean, this production-wise was easily his best game of the season. Did he look a little bit juicier to you in this game? No, I think that, and that's, that has been my thing throughout is that he still looks like the same athlete. It's just more that he hasn't been able to win at the top of the rushes often. I think in this one, you saw him out of the look, he came out of this game with five pressures. He had two coming in on the entire season. And so an outstanding performance from that standpoint. I would say a number of his pressures were basically him just kind of running the hoop,

where he beat the tackle to the edge, he beat Aluminore to the edge, and was able to turn and forced Daniel Jones up and out of the pocket. Just good. Again, it kind of talks about resetting our expectation for Bryce off. And if this is what they're getting, that's, you know, they are a little bit like the Jordan Davis conversation. Yeah, this is better than what they were getting the first four weeks. And so that's good.

is it to the level that they were hoping when they gave him that contract? Not yet. They just need him to be a useful player on third down. That's all they need. So far, I would say in this game, he was useful in those pure pass rush situation. He's the opposite of Mackay Beckton. He loves playing in that stadium. Yeah, right. Yeah, seriously. I'm like the only one.

Yeah. All right. Anything else from the front? Anybody else impress you? And by the way, the Jailix Hunt? Snap. He was unblocked. Oh, I know. I know. I know the sack. But like, you see anything? Would you like to see him in the regular defense at all? The thing is, is like, at whose expense, you know, it's tough because Bryce off is going

to get his snaps in those situations, unless you're just going to completely say Bryce off's not playing, then you're not taking his snaps away. You still want BG out there. Nolan, I think, continues to deserve more snaps. You're not taking Josh Swet's snaps away. So I think for the time being, I think this is what we're getting get from Jaylitz Hunt is like mop-up duty kind of situation. And this one was an extreme in that case.

but I thought we saw some good things, but he's still going to be very much a work in progress, I think. I asked no, or I asked Big Fangio at the question about Nolan Smith starting, and he was like, very matter of fact, he's like, yeah, we were in base, right? That's what no one. So it's clear, I mean, the playing time has shown this,

the way, or the film has shown this, but Nolan Smith is the edge rusher, or is the edge in base. It's not Bryce off. It's not, you know, it's Nolan Smith in that spot. Yeah, and you think about the, you know, the sim pressures, is most likely to be able to handle those duties well.

That makes sense. Yeah. The Giants came out early in this game with multiple tight ends on the field and motioned out of it into empty like two or three times. That's why there's the screen grab that now, like everyone laughs at. Two years ago, we were ready to burn the city down. We saw defensive ends walked out over the slop. It was BG lined up over Malik neighbors.

Yeah, sweat on the first play as well. Josh, I had to do it in the first play. Nolan Smith did it on the second play. And so but the Giants like they did it. And then it was just like short stuff underneath. And it's like, yeah, I think if you're, if you're a big fan, you're like, that's a win. It's like, all right, let's ride to the football and get off the field on third down. And then what about the Jordan Davis conversation?

It was weird. That's why I texted you as I was going through yesterday because I saw the snap counts. And it's all right. He played 11 snaps. But I'm watching it. I'm like, all right, he's on the field in the first play. He's on the field in the second play. He's on the field in the third play.

And I'm going. And I'm like, all right, he's played like 10 of the first 13 snaps. Right. And where did he go? Like there was no injury announcement. So I just thought it was kind of weird from that. And actually, it's not like, oh, man, he doesn't look good. Like, he was playing well.

There were a couple of clips I honestly could have posted of Jordan Davis. I thought he looked fine. I know they said that it was talking about like flow of the game, and then the Giants got away from running the ball. Yeah, I don't know. It was kind of weird from that standpoint. Yeah. I mean, I'm waiting to see Jordan Davis playing four-man fronts, basically,

because it seems like they're only going to use him in these five-man fronts. And Nick Siriani said yesterday, we spoke to Siriani after the show. Siriani said they think Davis can play. They still think Davis can play in that role. But Morrow Ojima, that's how they'd like to use him right now. I mean, if you're going to say, like, all right, if they're going to play, it's a pure pass rush down.

And who do you want on the fields? Jalen Carter certainly at one spot. It's Jordan Davis, Milton Williams, Moro Jama? Like, who is shown the most? Like, I don't know if it's Milton or Jummo, but Jordan Davis is three on that list. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll talk a little bit more about the defense and then move to the offense in just a

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do we want to stay positive for the moment and talk about the rest of the offense? Yeah, I'll stay positive. And then at the end, we'll get a little bit negative. Yeah, let's reframe it. If it's real. Yeah, let's reframe it.

It's not positive or negative. It's fair or unfair. I agree. And so I think when you when you classify things as positive or no, it's fair or unfair. Well, that's the thing. The whole thing is real.

Yeah, exactly. The way that it can be perceived, you're absolutely right. Anytime we talk about Jalen Hertz, the comments are like, it's unbelievable. They're so mean to Jailen-Hertz. Stop blame with Jail-Lertz. And then the other half are like, jailen-hirts is the worst quarterback of the world. He needs to be fired. It's unbelievable.

It's crazy. Very polarizing. As Joma would say, that, you know, he's not going to let your words have power over him. And 40 years from now, you won't be invited to his funeral. So. I pulled into the Novacare complex today for the press conferences, and I happened to pull in directly next to Zach. And he looked over at me in a big smile on his face.

Like, oh, what's the joke that I'm not in on here? We get out, and I say, what was the smile for? He's like, just watching Joe Mazula videos. I thought you got another LinkedIn email. I mean, this is a big week for speakers. I went three speakers this week. It's awesome. Yeah?

Yeah. I had a last night go. Kyle a Neil Kyle last night yeah awesome learned so much I had a lot of notes that I wrote down when I got home and just some more stuff I need to read but learned so much about the Supreme Court that was good by his endorsements of the last two appointees last three I think he he spoke about the sanctity of the court yeah it's a good guy or such is smart yeah he no that that actually didn't come up.

That didn't come up. Okay. Who else is the rest of the week? Larry David tonight. Oh, there you go. Okay. Looking forward to that. That's good.

That's going to be awesome. That's a speaking thing, not a performance? No, speaking. A conversation with Larry David. Okay. And how envious I am. I wish I could be in conversation with it. It's going to the Met.

Tonight. Oh, it's tonight. Yeah, that's where I'll be at the Met. Is it Larry David or David? It's Larry David. It's Larry David. Who's having the conversation? Who's he with?

Yeah. That's a good question. I don't know. I just, it's just as a conversation with Larry David. It's not me, unfortunately, but I will be listening to the conversation. Very excited for that. And then Thursday night, Malcolm Gladwell. Wow.

Yes. That was the email. No, that was a different thing. That was a LinkedIn promotion. This is something I had already signed up for from the Philadelphia Library. Got it. Yeah. Philadelphia, yeah.

Wow. What a streak. I know. This is awesome this is awesome. This is awesome. If you could host the Larry David conversation, what would be your, what would be your, bang question what keeps you up at night yeah okay yeah yeah I mean you know do you want to you want to you want to tailor the questions towards the person not just

ask the same blanket question to everybody but that's okay yeah it's like um I I would say it's it's uh what's it take to be like you know or what you do is so subjective right humor is so subjective how do you know that something's going to hit okay you don't like that question either wow what would you ask Larry David well would you ask I don't know I

I'm not the one who wants to host the show I just told you some questions I would ask you didn't find them satisfactory that's okay you wouldn't be part of that conversation it depends okay all right I would absolutely watch a conversation between you and Larry David absolutely that a thousand percent you know what I would have a lot of money for that you know what I would not ask him

Arnold Palmer's Dawn if he'd be sitting down. I would not ask him either of those questions. Because the second one he already answered in a corporate enthusiasm episode, the first one, I wouldn't have interest in that. I wouldn't ask if it's Larry David or David Larry. I wouldn't know it's good.

That's fair. All right. Anything else from a, from a Vic Fangio, game running standpoint, that was interesting to you? That they were so zone heavy and barely blessed. No, that could have been game plan specific. You know, the big thing was that they found ways,

to pressure Daniel Jones, and that was something that we talked about last week is a must for that game. We will get into the Bengals specifically on Thursday, but you feel generally better about their ability to handle a good offense now than you did three weeks ago. Yeah, I mean, look, the Giants certainly aren't like world beaters offensively, but they had proven over the course of this season that they were, you know, a solid, like mediocre offense when you look at all the numbers and all the metrics. So, you know, while I'm not like, to me, I look at Sunday as a good litmus test for how far this defense has come in the last two, three weeks. Okay. Let's talk about the offense and specifically the running game.

What was, what jumped out to about the diversity of the running game and the different ways that they were able to deploy Sequin Barclay. The big thing was just continuing to find space for him to work. You know, we talk about like the yards before contact and, you know, just the ability to really, you know, leverage his skill set. And that's something the Eagles have long been able to do. We talked about the DeAndre Swift last year. He was number one in yards before contact and number 32.

in yards after contact. The thought with Sequin is now he can create yards on his own. And that's what we talked about in the post game show was the yards over-expected from next-gen stats and how he's one of the best in the league right now in doing that. And so I think whether it was running inside, outside, zone schemes, gap schemes, finding ways to be able to get him up to the second level with a head of steam. That was a very fruitful exercise for them in this football game. Sorry, I thought you were going to ask something.

For the guys up front. Yes. And the different run schemes that they were that they were using. We can get to the Ben Van Sumer in the couple plays there. But with Tyler Steen in there and Fred Johnson in there, how did those guys hold up? Pretty well. I think overall, you know, this was a, you know, you talk about like the run game and like the attrition and wearing the opponent down. They had people say like body blows.

Like that's how this was a game that you could point to in that way because the double teams against Dexter Lawrence and the guys inside for the Giants like were not as effective in the first quarter. the first few drives, you started to see like right before halftime, right after halftime, and then certainly throughout the rest of the second half, those double teams were getting more movement. And it was on Lawrence and then certainly on some of those other guys up front. When you look at some of those runs from both Kenny Gainwell and Seekwon Barkley

in the second half, a lot of that was movement from double teams at the point of attack. Sometimes it was Tyler Seen and Lane Johnson. You saw Cam Juergens and Landon Dickerson on some of them. So those double teams really started to wear them down, and that's where we saw some of those big plays happen for Saquan Barkley. So we

We spoke ever since the Sequin Barclay signing about the benefit of being here. Sequin's obviously an exceptional player. He's run for a lot of yards outside of this offense. What specifically did you see in this game that you say that's the benefit of being in Philadelphia? I think just the fact that, you know, I haven't looked at the numbers in terms of like where this ranks in terms and from like his whole career. But with the Giants, I mean, he was constantly getting hit at or near the line of scrimmage behind the line of scrimmage in here in Philly. Like that does not happen. and this was a great case where on all those big runs and even some of like the 12 and 14 yard runs that we've seen from him,

he's not touched until he gets to the second level. When he gets the linebacker level and where the guy that is that explosive and that strong and that powerful, if you get him up there, it's like the Derek Henry thing. You get him up there with a head of steam. Like you're not getting him down. The safety is not going to get him down. He belted Dane Belton on the sideline on that first play. Once he gets going, he's just tough to get to the ground.

Melton, that's a good. I know. I'm trying to figure out a way to use that. I haven't been able to do it. A league question real quick. and I don't know if today is the time to have this conversation, but it's fresh in my mind not that you say it. When you saw the success,

Sequan Barclay's had and you've seen the success that Derek Henry has had, do you think it's going to change the way teams of you free agent running backs going forward? Yeah, and I think, you know, Josh Jacobs has looked good in Green Bay too. This was a, this was known going in to the summer or to the spring, that this was a good class of free agent running backs. I don't think that'll happen every single year. But, yeah, I think it's going to lead to some really interesting conversations. But like the notion that a free, that a running back is four years,

and then don't give the running back the second contract. And that's kind of been what some teams have said. You know, have them on the rookie deal, let someone else pay him on the second deal. And I know in Derek Henry's case, he's not even the second deal. It's the third deal. James Connor? Yeah, but it just makes you think that because I see our friend Ross Tucker, he's been tweeting out how the percentage of Sequan's contract relative to some of the wide receivers,

this is a point that I think the Eagles kind of thought behind the scenes was you're paying Darnell Mooney Sequan Barclay money, which rather have Sequan Barclay or Darnell Mooney. And actually, Mooney's been pretty good this year. But I do wonder... Gay Davis would be a big one. Yeah, I do wonder if this is going to change the white team's view of running backs. Yeah, I think that that's going to be... And honestly,

like the way that it's planned out, I do think that running backs will start to get a little bit more just based off this season, but I do think it'll be case by case. I don't think every running back that hits the market now is going to make that money, but yeah, I think it's going to lead to some more interesting conversations. Or they can just draft Ashton Gianty, and you can read about him in France first. He's

college, his first look ahead. He's like, he's a guy even, he's a guy even I know. He's going to be top 15, like he's, he's that kind of player.

I think it's a little bit. I think teams might get in trouble if they're chasing trying to have Sequin and Berkeley or Derek Henry like success. I think it's also, it's a bad valuation. Yeah, I do,

I think it's more, it goes hand in hand with just the return of the run game because that's been such a topic this year. I think those two things kind of go hand in hand. But the mismanagement, again, I don't mean to deviate this. The mismanagement of the New York Giants, when you see what Xavier McKinney's doing,

you see what Seqon Barkley's doing, you have two players like this who you let, leave the building. If nothing else, trade them last year. The trade deadlines coming up next week. You're seeing teams they're either in or they're out. The Giants were out last week. I'm sorry, last season at this time. They held on the Sequin and Xavier McKinney

McKinney while thinking maybe there's a chance they could keep both of them or the compact thing. It just, they mismanaged that. big way. And it'd be one thing if like we were just, oh, wish it could have been a fly on the wall in those meetings. We literally got to be to fly on the wall in those meetings to see how that went. Yeah. Not the brightest. No. That's okay. Pretty good news for Eagles fans. I want to check in on Lane Johnson. Okay. Is he still playing like the best tackling football? I mean, just unbelievable. Best tackling football is probably strong. That level. Yeah, he's playing like a good

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Explain why. So let me just add an additional precursor. Because again, it's like we talked about it is very rational here. It is this is not a he's a bad player. This is not that he's not worth the contract. The Eagles can't win a Super Bowl with Jailen Hertz. It's not bad. Kobe Dean's allowed to have good games and bad games.

Jalen Hertz is allowed to have good games and bad games. I was thinking about this driving in. Like people don't make as big of a deal if, you know, Miles Garrett has one pressure in a game, right? But that is the nature of playing the quarterback position is that you are under this spotlight. You are under this scrutiny. It is what it is. Yeah, to me in this game, and I was on this show a few weeks ago.

And after like he threw interception and say, hey, like that's to me, like Jalen played a better game than what people are saying in this game, despite not throwing interceptions and not putting the ball on the ground. I just didn't think he played all that well. And over the last two weeks, I don't think he's played all that great. You know, we can go like throw by throw, like drop back by drop back if we want. But it was, yeah, I didn't think it was a great performance. And this is not accuracy. No. You know, this is more about structurally both the protections that he has to be graded on because he is the one taking on that responsibility this year, setting those protections.

And we say, we keep bringing up the Jason Kelsey conversation, even when you're wrong, you're right. There were a couple times in this game where he was wrong and he was wrong. Yeah. And at least it's the continued, like, where you kind of look and you can see, like, the frustration on film with guys. And so not everyone is on the same page and agreeing with what they're doing. Or at least, again, reading body language. That's how it seems to me, just kind of watching through the film. You know, and I have, I do have, like, specific examples I wanted to hit on it.

I don't know, like, if you wanted to go, like, theme by theme, or do you want to go, like, sequentially? Let's talk about the sex. Okay. And generally the pressure, because some of them didn't turn out to be sex, but they were big pressures. And I texted you last night. I was going through the offense. And I get to the third or fourth play of the game, which is the first sack. And it's just like, oh, man, what are we getting in for here?

And explain what happens on that play? So the Eagles, it was second and nine. So it's the third play of the game. And the Eagles, they come out in a two-by-two set. And you're running a quick game concept to the left and you're running a quick game concept to the right. And these are the things. Stop me if you've heard this before in the chat. But we've talked about this a lot.

like all season long about the issues that have cropped up when they line up this way and Jalen just has to drop back and kind of read the coverage because typically what happens when you were running a quick game concept to the left and a quick game concept to the right if you're the quarterback if you don't like that first read then by the time you get back over to the other side the other reads are those routes are done because everybody else is running three-step timing concepts and so if you are if you're reading the first one out and then the ball doesn't come out then now you get into scramble. And it is typically designed that one side is for his own, one side has for man.

Or one high versus too high or whatever that is. And so it's up to the quarterback to say, okay, this is where I'm going to start. I'm going to start on the right side. And then I'm not even going to worry about the left side. And not only does he not pull a trigger on this one, he sort of starts bail in the pocket very early when there is not that much pressure. Well, yeah, to me that popped up a couple times in this game. But yeah, he had basically he starts to the left and he had

Grant Calcutara running to the flat, and it was open. It was there. And that should have been where the ball came out and didn't come out. And it's, it would have been like a four-yard game. Right. It's not right. It's not like he missed a touchdown. Right.

But he goes back to the right. And instantly, he's like, all right, guys, like scramble drill. He's like, you see him pointing at Seekwan Barclay. Like you say like, go, go, go. But I think that's, that's the problem with some of these plays is that he drops back. And the timing is all right. And now right, right, we're in fire drill mode. and he runs into a sack.

He runs to his right, comes back against the grain and runs into a sack. So that was the first one. But to me, like there were five total sacks in this game, four total sacks. Two of them I would put squarely on Hertz. And this goes to the thing that you have talked about, Zach, which is, you know, is this, is this offense over-reliant on the big play? And I think that that's, it's tough because you want them to have the big play. And you can't just, like if Sakeman-Barkley runs for 55 yards, you can't ding him for

that, right? But structurally, is that a thing that you see from Jalen Hertz that sometimes he's not willing to just take the four-yarder? He wants to extend in search of the big play, and sometimes that can get them in negative situations. That was honestly the spin. If you wanted to look at it optimistically to the no turnover, no interceptions thing in the summer in training camp, that was what I think the biggest takeaway was. And honestly, we have seen a little bit of that. It's the, his average depth of target this year is lower than it's been, is the percentage of throw short of the sticks is lower than it's been. I think he has shown more of a propensity to kind of take what the defense is giving him.

We've certainly seen that against the Blitz this year. His A-DOT against pressure and against the blitz has been lower than it really has ever been. So I say I think we're seeing layers of that. And again, kind of going back big picture, all quarterbacks go through these kind of peaks and valleys, right? All the best quarterbacks have these moments. And it's just funny. Like when I posted this yesterday and all these people in my mentions that like don't follow me or have like 53 followers and are like, all quarterbacks go through this and all

everyone's just looking for something to complain with her. It's like it's not that big of it. It's okay to say he didn't have a good game in this one against the Giants from that standpoint. So you're driving home today. You get a calling on your phone. It's an unknown number from Proser Washington and you pick it up and it's Kellynmore.

And he says, I'm sorry I don't work with you anymore but I've been seeing your stuff. And this is this is like incredible. This is the most informed I've ever seen from a media member before. and I'm trying to figure this out because look, I'm tasked with trying to get the jailing to be the best version of himself. We had training camp.

We've had six weeks and it's just not clicking. What should I do? How do I fix this? What's your recommendation to him? To me, the first question that I would have would be the increase in more full field, like pure progression plays. So you think back the touchdown to Sequan Barkley in week one against Green Bay where you have. instead of it being, you know, two receivers one way, two receivers one way. It's, it was more, I'm going to work to Sequin, to Dallas,

and his eye start left, and he's working across the field. If Sequin's not open, then I'm going to go to Dallas. If Dallas isn't open, then I'm going to go to Devante. If Devante's not open, and you're seeing, that used to be a very college way. That was like the Mike Leach, like, the air rate style of progression reading for a quarterback. And people would always say, oh, that doesn't work in the NFL, because you have to be able to read coverage.

You're starting to see more of that go through the NFL. I feel like if you look at even like the Detroit Lions office, offense. There are elements of these certain plays that they run where it's again, that pure progression style for Jared Goff. And that's the way that he played in college, honestly, was, all right, I'm going to go one to two to three to four to five. Everybody kind of has a role and is it an effective option on any given dropback. But the thing is that some coaches may look at that and say that is more difficult than just running curl flat and slam flat over to the other side. Right. So that that's what we don't know

is how do they feel about those kind of concepts? How does Jalen feel about those kind of concepts? Is that harder for him? Or is it the only way to simplify it, hey, we're just going to go screen game and RPO and it becomes more of like the 2021 version of the offense where then it's literally like, all right, like this is the throw. It's one read and the ball is out.

That's the question we don't have the ability to answer. I do know Jalen has great reverence for Lincoln Riley's offense, right? I mean, he thrived in that offense. And we also know the Eagles interviewed Cliff Kingsbury to be there O.C. this past year. So maybe that is an offensive style that or that is a philosophy or an approach that fits J. Allen Hurts. That's a good point. Further into the specifics of those pressures and those sacks, give us a couple other big ones and maybe specifically on the protections as well. Yeah.

So we'll go to the second sack. And this was the, it was third and 10. I believe this was the second possession of the game. this was the Dexter Lawrence, the first Dexter Lawrence sack. I know, actually, no, this was the Brian Burnsack. Excuse me. So this one you would just look at, and I think if you look at it and you say, okay, like, there are guys one up front.

Dexter Lawrence pushed the pocket. We talked last week about how the giants are really good at dictating their fronts. If they want to get a one-on-one, they can do it. This was a great example of that where they line up three defensive line into Cam Juergens left. And so that basically says, okay, we're going to have one-on-ones across the board. Fred Johnson's one-on-one with Brian Burr. Burns, Landon Dickerson's one-on-one with the second defensive tackle. It might have been Elijah Chapman.

And then Cam Juergens is one-on-one with Dexter Lawrence. To keep Landen Dickerson, or to keep Mackay Beckton from coming over, we're going to put a linebacker over Mackay-Becton. So now he has to block, that's the way that they want. Mackay-Becton's got to block the linebacker, and then Lane Johnson's one-on-one with a defensive end. So it's five versus five. Now, the Eagles kept Saquan-Barkley into block.

So there's two ways that you can go about that if you're the Eagles, if you're an offensive line. say, okay, Sequon Barkley, you're going to help maybe Chip Brian Burns. You are going to block the linebacker that's standing over, that's standing over the right guard. So that he can double Dexter Lawrence. So that he can slide over to Dexter Lawrence. Or option C is what the Eagles did do in this situation, which is Seekoine Barclay is

going to release up into the middle of defense, and he is going to help out Cam Jergens with Dexter Lawrence. So he's throwing a shoulder into Dexter Lawrence. It's not like how he was releasing out. He stayed in the block and it was helping. To me, I look at that and say, you're probably better serve just. keeping Sequan Barkley on Bobby Okarike. He takes on the linebacker. Let's have

Mackay Beckton in his 350-pound frame. Let's get him over to help out Cam Juergens on Dexter Lawrence. And so the Eagles didn't do that. And so the one-on-one's Dexter Lawrence, I mean, he pushes Cam Juergens back into the pocket. Jalen Hurts has no ability to stand up. Brian Burns turns the corner and he ends up getting the sack. That's the one where Jalen Hertz ends up sliding

in the pocket. He just said, all right, white flag, I'm going down, which is good. But to me, that was a protection thing that probably could have been a voice. And that one is specifically interesting to me in the context of the description that Jason Kelsey has given about the way that they went about trying to block Aaron Donald for the years, which is that like we are going to double him on every single play. We're not going to beat him. And if it means that we have a running back one-on-one with the defensive end, that's fine.

We don't want him to beat us. And so it seems like that is a specifically a Hertz decision and not necessarily the way that the offensive line would be structured because I believe that they put Dexter Lawrence on that sort of game plan wrecking level. Dexter Lawrence had a sack later in the game. It was like a third quarter, I think, where Dexter, he's, he got the sack. It was for, it was for minus eight yards. And Landed Dickerson, it was basically they had Lawrence on Steam that time.

So Lawrence is on the other side. It's Dickerson who's on the linebacker on Okarike. And Okarike doesn't even rush. He just stands there and basically holds Landt Dickerson up. And Dickerson, you can tell he turns around after the sack. And he just like looks up into the sky. And you can just like read the by language. You're like, he's annoyed by how this happened.

And obviously he's pissed because they gave up a third down sack. Right. But also, I'm sure there's probably some frustration there in terms of like, man, like, I could have helped Cam. I could have helped Tyler Seen on this situation. But instead, I got wasted by the linebacker. And Barclay, like he just kind of, it might have been gain well on that. So whoever the running back was wasn't a part of the protection. So that would be, that would be the argument there in that case in terms of everybody just not being on the same page.

And that falls under Jalen Hertz purview as being in charge of the protections now this year. Speaking about third downs. And Jones involved in this. Bo knows I don't need blue chew when it comes to talking about third downs and red zone. I mean, that's that, you know. That gets you going. Yeah. So, look, one of 13 was the worst of the next year on the era.

Eagles were one of 13. Now, they were over three in short red zone, as it's defined on True Media. And then they were three of three converting fourth downs on those, right? So as, as Kellan Moore said today, you make a third down call knowing you have two cracks at it. but third down, you're not going to survive in the NFL, though, on 13 on third down, or even near that. What did you see on third down and how do they fix it? So, real quick, let's go through a couple of these.

So they had one, two, three, four, they had eight dropbacks on third down. Third and two, they threw a screen. Actually, no, there you go. Third and two, this was the mesh play to Devante Smith. So I put this out on Twitter. Yeah, a different conversation. We'll save it for it. But an incompletion of throwaway by Jalen Hertz.

So he was reading it out and gets stuck, it ends up not throwing it. Third and five, he threw the back shoulder. Basically, they looked like Jalen Hertz changed the play at the line of scrimmage and threw a goal ball outside the numbers on third and five to Jahan Dotson, and it's incomplete. The problems we talked about last week in terms of low probability throws in the offense. Good example of that. Third and seven, that's a scramble fight by Jalen Hertz.

This was the only conversion of the day. So it's third and seven. This is a written. This is to the topic. Yes. So it's third and seven. They have a blitz call on, the New York Giants. So they're blitzing.

And it's one of the first times this year, free rusher. So there was a blown protection from that standpoint. It looked like everybody thought everybody, it should have been a slide one way. And it should have been Kenny Gainwell on the on the blitzing linebacker. I believe it was Fox that came in clean. And nobody went to the linebacker. It probably should have been gain well. But also, like the offensive line that was sliding that was going that way, like they weren't sliding full either.

So it was communications on both sides. And again, that goes to Jalen Hertz in terms of everybody's not on the same page on this protection call. So yeah, he made a great play on that. But they honestly should have been Ofer on third down because that's a play that you don't expect that he's going to make every single time. Well, and this is part of the, you know, we can criticize or, you know, call it as we see the protection stuff. but at the same time, in that very specific situation, and there's probably two or three quarterbacks the entire league who would get a first down on the play.

So he does deserve credit for that. That's an unbelievable athletic play. Yeah. And just to like the playing for fourth down thing, I mean, they got sacks three times on third down. So they weren't playing for fourth down on those. But those were third and medium, third and long. I'm saying the third and short.

Yeah, we went through the third and short. So third and ten, they got sacked. Third and ten they got sacked. Third and 11 they got sacked. Third and 14, which was the first one of the day. That's where he threw the check down and Barclay ran over, melted Dane Milton. Melted Belton.

All right. Anything else on the protection or pressure front that's worth getting? No, I think that's the big one. We covered the two aspects of it. The blitz pickup wasn't outside. And they didn't blitz a ton in this game, New York, but we saw that one come through clean. And then I mentioned, you know,

I think there are just times where Hertz invites his own pressure. And then there was the ones where like the protection call, probably you could argue. And that might be picking nits, but you could argue the protection call could have been better. All right. Now let's get to some of the structural parts of the offense and a good super chat question from, I believe,

Claude. Who says, just watching live, I find it perplexing how the run game design can look so varied and creative and the past game looks like 2015, Chip Kelly. Do you agree that the passing game structure is a little bit basic. Well, I mean, it certainly was in this game.

I mean, look, so he had 21 dropbacks in the day. I'm not going to go through every single one. We've already gone through a bunch. But, I mean, at the end of the day, it was three screen. So he had 21 dropbacks, four sacks, three screens, three play action completions, though. So one of the ones on the first play, under center play action. Where do the odds, by the way, that the first target this week is to Devante Smith?

95% I mean if I wanted to pick a swooper that has a good chance of hitting that's a good one to go with by the way very funny I was looking at this today

you tried to have three getable swoopers and you still only I mean the first quarter scoring is just like ridiculous but two go balls outside the numbers one hit to AJ Brown

one did not to John Dotson it's a very it was a very like simple diluted game plan here this week from a past game standpoint. And we could talk about, oh, you know, it became a running game and, you know, they didn't have to throw that much.

That's fair. But just going off the sample size we saw. And at the end of the day, like, he wasn't very good in that limited sample size. Do you think, and we will get to, we have three other super chats that we will get to. Well, we're going to extend the show a little bit today. Do you think, is that okay with you?

Absolutely. Okay. Yes. I love that. Okay. Do you think that the basicness in this game is a result of, of the way that they have seen Jalen been playing through the first five games and this is what is good for the offense right now or is it just you know it's one week let's see how you guys moving

forward that's a good question I go back and forth on because you don't you don't know right obviously so but I point to last week too and say that they they were we talked about it was a very conservative game plan against the Browns now in that game you're worried about Miles Garrett and that pass rush this one you're worried about the the blitzing and Dexter Lawrence and so maybe they just said, hey, we don't love our matchup and pass protection in both of these games. And so we're going to dial it back, maybe coming out of the buy. They said, we want to be more of a running game, a running focused team. I guess we just have to see how it plays out over the next couple weeks and see, like,

against Cincinnati, you would think, though, they don't, they're, Trey Hendrickson's a really good player, but they don't have the horses that you would compare to New York or to Cleveland up front. And so if they continue to play that way, I think that'll be more telling. Very quickly before we talk about some of the furrows that Gillen did not make, since you talk about Miles Garrett, a super chat from Fresh Prince, who asks, it's early, but would you prefer Max Crosby or Miles Garrett? He says, I know Zeeb prefers Miles.

What would you be willing to trade for each of that? I mean, both guys would go. I would imagine for two ones. I mean, Miles Garrett might even be for three. Yeah. I mean, I would rather have Miles Garrett. He's the best defensive player in football. Yeah, I mean, they're not.

I can't. You disagree with your boy. My Sequin? Yeah. Yeah, I disagree with him. I think Miles Beggarck is the best defensive player. I would agree. Yeah, I would agree.

I actually, I think there's more of the Crosby. I could see, I could see, yeah. I could see Crosby getting traded more, but I actually don't, I don't think that either guy gets dealt at the end of the day. I love Miles Garrett coming out, by the way. No doubt. We believe that, for sure. What was his nickname in college, Kevin Sutherland game? Do you remember?

Oh, good question. I don't. Oh, I figured you do. Yeah. Well, Jason Garrett. No, I just called him, I called him Batman because he showed up as a, like a 17-year-old. Yeah. With a full, like, six-pack, like, Shrending, like Batman's suit.

I know the feeling. Yeah. There you go. Julie, you're not supposed to laugh at that. Why is that funny, Joey? Come on. Okay. He's like, Zach with a six-back?

No. Maybe Miller-Ly. It's like, come on, let's have a more realistic joke than that. You put out a video on Twitter. It's in the story. The two mesh plays where Jalen turns down, what looks like, you know, the right throw. Devante Smith, coming across on the third down that precedes the touchdown to AJ Brown

and then throws it away and then later in the red zone doesn't get it to say Juan Barclay on the wheel that looks like it could have been a touchdown where there other examples of Jalen passing up open throws in this game and if not maybe tell us about those specific examples I know because honestly the 14 passes and as we mentioned there was like three screens three play action throws like the those kind of throws were a few and far between in terms of him just having, being asked to read things out. Here's how I'll explain the, like,

Jalen has actually mentioned a few times this year, like, oh, that was an alert. Yes. So for me, like, let me just define for the viewers and for the listeners an alert. So the best. Exactly like that. So that's what he hears in his head. Say your will sound? Is it?

Or your dolphin sound? The Dauphin sound? No, that's much different. Oh, okay. Hey. It was not a great alarm sound. But it was all right. Um, you've had a whale sounds also much are you are you an alarm guy in the morning no good I haven't I have a daughter

Oh, um are you an alarm person yes 545 good didn't I like that respect that yeah Frank Lernerner make sure you become a diehard yes introductory deal all that stuff the uh the video the uh the video the uh the article for for the diehards has a elongated version of that mesh concept video uh so the one I put out on Twitter yes it's that's I had to get it in under two two and two minutes and 10 seconds per Elon's rule. So that's limited in terms of span. But if you go over to the article, that one's like four and a half to five minutes. And it includes other times in history that we've, because the Eagles have been running

this mess play. Great context. The Eagles have been running this play for, you know, over 10 years now. Always love Singer Sproles. Yes. Yeah. Like Sean McCoy, Bryce Brown, Darren Sproles, Chris Polk, throw your Eagles running back in there. We've seen them catch, catch these.

Kenyon Barner. I know Kenyon Barner. There was a game against the Texans. I remember Barner catching some of these wheel routes on these mesh plays. So basically an alert is... He's going to keep naming running. I know this bit. While you're talking, he's just trying to keep running back.

I look forward to hearing a couple of them. But to me, when you're looking at an alert, that is just a... Because on every play, the quarterback has a read. First read, second read, third read. And alert bypasses those reads. The best example I would give would be, you know, you could think back to like the times before RPO's were like common nomenclature with football zeitgeist, where it was like, okay, it's a run play. But if you see that the corner is eight yards off on the over to the left, we're just going to throw the ball to that receiver. That's an alert, right?

So it's the same idea. Like Cormette. Yes, exactly. Eldra Buckley. Eldra Buckley. Tatum Bell. No, not Tatum Bell. Not Tatum Bell.

Who's the, who's the, who's the, who's the, wasn't the Bel? Jake Bell. Yeah, Joick Bell, yeah, Statenham Bell was the Broncos. I think Joach might have been pre-chip, though. Yeah, he was. He was Andy. He was Andy. Okay.

Paying him every chip running bag. Actually, we don't have to do that. That's good. Let's proceed with the-D-Lewis, which will get us to a super chat later. Oh, there we go. I know that's a reference. So basically, though, the wheel on those mesh plays is the alert. So if you like the matchup, if you see, hey, you know what, we think it's going to be man-to-man coverage,

and the linebacker is going to be on the running back, and the running back is releasing to the left and that linebacker who's covering him, he's going to have to run through those shallow crosses. He's not going to be able to get there. I'm going to throw that. So Corey Clement in the Super Bowl, great example. They went for like 50 plus yards down the right sideline. The safety Jordan Richards took a terrible angle and it was a big play. Nick Foles hit that very, very quickly. I think that's what Jalen Hertz wanted on the first version. That third and three, where Devante Smith is wide open on the shallow cross. I think that he wanted Kenny Gainwell against Mike McFadden,

the big white linebacker number 41 for the Giants. And we said, like, that's the guy. That's, we talked about this in the show last week, Zach, that that was a guy that could attack in space. You're fully vocal. Yeah, that was a favorable matchup

for that in space. And they, look, Janeland was like, yeah, like, I want this. McFad, look, McFadden, he took a great angle and took the throw away. Jalen was just too slow to get off of that read. And so in that in the article pointed to a fact, that, okay, here's an example where that read is taken.

Oh, the quarterback wanted the alert early. It got taken away because the coverage was better than expected. Now you have to get to that shallow cross fast. And a great example of that. Go back to Super Bowl 52. That critical fourth and one. Zach Hertz makes that catch over the middle. That's a perfect example of exactly that,

where the quarterback, the wheels taken away, that alert route is taken away, get to the shallow cross really, really fast. So Jayland just got held up there. On the second one that everybody saw in the broadcast where Seekwan Barkley's running the wheel route. I don't know if Jalen necessarily thought that it was going to be a different coverage. And they ended up playing zone. And so it was the cornerback that was going to be out there in the flats guarding Barclay. Regardless, Barclay was wide open. So I don't know if Jalen just got held up. They actually guarded the mesh concept very, very well. So really the only throw there was

Barkley. So I couldn't tell you if Jalen saw the alert late. And so then he didn't throw it. Maybe he's looking at Devante. And then it got messed up. And then he didn't go there. But it looked like his eyes were looking at Barclay and the throw just wouldn't have been different. It would have been a different throw to Barclay. It would have been more of like a flat throw with a little bit of velocity, throwing them away from the guy and it should have been a touchdown. And people will say like, oh, are those two plays, all quarterbacks, miss plays all time. Yes, but when you only have 14 attempts and these are the two dropback passes,

like that's not going to blow out, especially in the high leverage. It was high leverage third and three and then another one on the goal line. Yeah. Like those, those plays get magnified. The first one is especially confusing to look at. because it is it's like the the progression rates you were talking about like it's in the same cone of vision yes like if if you're looking at gainwell on that one and it's not there like just right if that's the beauty of it we would say that when ship kelly first bought it's philadelphia

there were so many examples of that where you would see like uh whether it was vic or uh nick foals or you could just see their eyes go bang bu bum bum it's the the pure progression that we were talking about earlier uh it's very natural for his eyes to be able to go and it just he just took too long getting off that reading so there were only 14 passes in the game so we are we're making a lot of these these few examples but in general but not 14 dropbacks and I think that's important because the sacks are on him in some of the cases exactly right and I mean the only scramble there was but the only scrap like he had that long scramble on the on the third down that we talked about and then he had two other scrambles for five yards like so it's not like oh

like he also got pressured and he and created some big play like that wasn't that wasn't in this game we saw it on the one on the one dropback so you know in the in the prism of oh man this is concerning like maybe they need to tilt all the way to uh making this a run first offense or like this is just one blip of a game for you know a top 10 quarterback or however you wanted to find him yep what which which side you're leaning more towards i mean i would say that they've been a run first offense for the last two weeks uh so i would say though probably stay status quo for now um i think it goes back to my precursor at the beginning of the discussion I don't watch this game and say, oh, they're never going to win with Jalen Hertz.

Like, they got to cut him. They got to move on. They got to draft on the quarterback. I think it's he had, he didn't have a good game. And so now it's how do we get him back on track? How do we get it? How do we build early completions and all the things that we've talked about? It's not like he's been playing this poorly throughout.

I think the last, certainly this game, and I would say even like last week against Cleveland wasn't an ideal game for him. So we've seen him play better here this season. You've got to get back to that. And you have seen him. play amazing. No doubt. And run the offense in really exceptional ways.

So I guess if we're trying to just guess about what's going on here, and this is not what the film is telling you, this is just conjecture. Do you wonder if the mental load of having to do the protections and stuff is taking some kind of toll? Potentially. Yeah, it could potentially be. And it's tough for us to answer. Of course, it's all conjecture.

Yeah, there's so many things that it could be. And that's why to me, like, I just go on, this is what, this is what the film is Sean. I, and you know me, like, I am always, almost always, like, very pro quarterback in terms of when things go wrong, like, I will give the quarterback the benefit of the doubt because it's the, it is the most difficult position in sports and what they're asked to do at all the different factors, even when they're wrong, they're right, all that stuff. In this game, I just felt like it was, it was definitely substandard in terms of what we've come to expect from Jalen Hertz. I think that there's just, whatever the issues are, like internally, They've just got to figure out how to massage and get around those things. Okay. Let's get to a couple of the other super chats.

Zach, got to ask you about it from Jason, your thoughts. I'm going to ask Zach first on Joe Banner going out of his way to, for whatever reason, just try to crush you on Mitchell on Twitter today. Yeah, I wasn't sure of where it's coming from. I mean, I respect Joe quite a bit, though, and I think, you know, and. I'm not sure as person. And Joe, as he mentioned on Twitter, he does talk to people, right? he's not on an island.

He speaks to people in the league. So what was more interesting to me there is not as much that Joe's saying it, but that other people in the league are agreeing that Quinion Mitchell has just been okay. Look, I'm not a coach. I'm not a personnel executive. I have watched every snap the Eagles have played multiple, multiple, multiple times. And I think Quinnionickel's been better than okay. But there's a lot that goes into it.

an evaluation of a corner. I get that. Maybe I'm comparing it to what I've seen from Eagles corners in the past. Yeah. But I think Quignan Mitchell has given them high level production this season. Yeah, we're all in group chats. We hear from friends and family. And I was in a group chat yesterday where someone said,

oh, like, could Quignon win defensive rookie the year? I'm like, no, like, let's. Yeah. So if we're talking like that from like an overhype standpoint, like yes, then I would agree. But he's been good. I'm very pleased with what we've seen so far from Quinyan Mitchell

like yeah would you like some of those those plays to turn into interceptions like that's why he's not in the defensive player of the year conversation but you have to be pleased I think with what you've seen so far yeah I think he's been pretty good especially for a rookie

yeah how did this come up like I I haven't thought he did he say it one time and then someone pushed back and then he he wanted to I don't know establish look he I respect Joe Banner's opinion

quite a bit so if he's saying it I'm not going to discredit it, but it's not consistent with what I've seen. Okay. From CDP wants to know. He said, Jared Goff has said the Rams traded to number one during Goff's Eagles visit. Yep. And Doug Peterson expressed deep sadness not having Goff.

Did Doug ever truly love Wentz? Yeah, I mean, and I'll defer to you, Bo, because you did a great story on the Eagles going up from 13 to 2. My sense was they never thought they were getting Wentz. Oh, I'm sorry, they never thought they were getting Goff. That they kind of viewed it like the Rams' trade was for Goff. The Rams were covering their bases and talking to both guys. So the Eagles talked, you know, the Eagles were looking at both. But I think when the Eagles made their trade the two, they were confident it was going to be once.

I think that's right. Yeah. And, you know, Howie has always, even in that story sort of sidestepped, they just wanted a quarterback. Like, and they were happy with both of those guys. They didn't necessarily have a preference. I think their preference was whence. Yeah. But I think they, I think they, if for whatever reason the Rams had taken Wentz,

I think they would have taken Goff. But by the way, the Rams traded Goff. Like, they gave up a lot to get rid of him. Yep. Right? Like they. I'll tell you what, that's that's one where I, boy, was I wrong. Like in Detroit, Goff in Detroit.

It's like this, even two years ago, I was like, this guy's not that good. And boy, they built, it's a good. It's a wonderful example of, like, building, building things around the guy, making his, you know, accentuating his strengths. It's first a credit to golf, but it's a credit to Ben Johnson, too. And it does, you know, from a big picture NFL perspective, I do think some of the success that whether it's Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, I don't get ahead of myself with Sam Darnold, but Jared Goff, maybe teams are going to take more of a chance on like the second,

third move quarterbacks as opposed to just given $250 million to whoever your guy is. I wonder if that's something we'll start seeing more because there are teams that are kind of hamstrung by these big contracts. And good quarterback talent can sometimes be situational. You know, one thing that I'm a pretty big believer in, and honestly, this applies to the Jalen Hertz conversation. I think it applied to the Carson Wend's conversation a few years back. I think that, and we see it with quarterbacks over time, right? It takes a certain amount of time before you get to, like, grad school level with playing that position where you know, you've seen. all the defense, you've seen all the coverages, you've seen all the pressures, you know what to expect.

You've built up your notebooks on every defensive coordinator in the league. And I think that it behooves you as an organization, as a coaching staff, as a personnel staff, to get the quarterback to that point, like hold his hand to get him to, whether that's year seven, year eight, year nine, whatever that is. And if you can get him there playing high level football with that confidence, then that's where it starts to pay dividends. We're seeing that right now with Jared Goff. And I think you look around the league and you see those guys.

By the time you get to that point, like Kirk Cousins, like what he did to the 40, picking the 49ers apart on Monday football a couple years ago. And you see like honestly what he is able to do whenever he's healthy. Like that's his superpower, is his understanding of defenses and pressures and just being able to beat people with his brain. All quarterbacks can get there. Like Patrick Mahomes said like it was year two, year. And he didn't know like how to define cover three and again define cover four.

I think that it's so important for teams just fine way, whatever that is. and it's got to be different for every quarterback, you have to get him there and do everything you can from a, like, supporting cast standpoint, scheme standpoint, everything to get up to that point. It's up to you. You can't just like, it's not sink or swim at that position.

Too much money gets invested. Like, you have to protect your investment that way. Zach, I've been meeting to ask you. We have not talked about on the show yet. How are the fish doing? Alive, well, swimming. Yeah. My kids are feeding them.

So I'll tell the story. Yeah, I'll tell the story. I'll tell the story. So my wife, Emily, she's amazing. She promised the kids, she promised the kids fish. You know, if the first month of school went well, the first month of school went well. So I was tasked with getting them fish. Like it was a Saturday when I was free and I was tasked with getting them fish.

And so I call a. A Wegmans. I call a local store. I call my local store. Local pet store. Yeah, sure. A local pet store. It's actually a national pet store.

And I basically say, I say, I say, desal fish. Yes. Okay. Do you sell a fish bowl? And they got a little hesitant on the phone. And they said, Yeah, well, they don't, they don't recommend the fishbowl. And I said, no, I'm not looking for anything fancy.

I'm just looking for some fish, fishbow, like two fish, a fish bowl and water, basically. Right? And I have the water. We know you have the water in your bottle. My sink's fine. And so, and so they asked me, what kind of fish? It's just like goldfish, normal fish. And they don't, you know, they're like asking me questions.

I clearly I don't know fish the way I know the fat five right and and so they the person says I can't sell you fish and so what do you mean you can't sell with fish they say well we have like ethical responsibilities to the like we don't think you're ready to be a fish owner or something I don't know if that's what they said verbatim that was essentially that's what they insinuated and I said so if I didn't call you and I just showed up but I've been able to get the the fish and they they said we recommend you go here here and here right so I said okay so I told the kids we're going to this other place and I'm not going to call ahead of time and so I walk in and I say that she was a very nice woman and I say you know and I had my kids with me and my kids

are so cute right um seven and five it's like and they're so excited you know they've been talking about this for a month and I say I'm getting that you know they were great in school this month they're they're getting fish do you sell a fish you know do you sell a fish bowl and they say we don't recommend the fish bowl and i i said what do you recommend and they showed me and i look at the price tag and i'm like i'm not getting that can i get the fish bowl and then um and then so give you the little story here and then they give him a phone um no no no so there's a tank right in front of me these two fish called beta fish all there's a tank of like or there's like beta fish in there they they're all not in a tank

there are these little little individual yes okay and they're but two beta fish together one's gonna eat together well i didn't know that i was like and they were pretty inexpensive and i was like i'll take two of these and a fifth bowl and they're like uh no though you can't put them in the bowl together and i was like you can't put two fish in a bowl together and they said not beta fish one of them's got to be an alpha and i said which which fish can i put in the bowl together and so she brought me out of a different section which is good because these fish were actually less money than the beta fish so that was good um but um but then i was like it's like i'll have these fish and she's like you are not it she's like do you know anything about fish and i said uh no they swim um she's like

this fish can't go or or this fish grows it it was like um this fish grows like be that big oh oh i don't want that fish then he's like what fish doesn't grow to be that big she pointed me this He's two other fish. So I got that. And then I'm like, all right. And she's like, but you can't put these both in the fish bowl. I'm sorry, the story's taking some. No, please.

I would like to do a whole episode. All right. So I said, I said, all right. Well, what's the most inexpensive tank you have? And so she shows. She says, this tank here, but she thinks this tank's too small. And I'm like, I'm not getting that tank over there. So I'll take this tank.

And she said, I said, okay but she's like but we can't sell you the fish today because the water has to be preconditioned and i said so you're mean to tell me that we came here to the store and you're not going to sell me the fish and she's like uh well you have to buy this water i said i have to buy water for me that's exactly what i said and so i said all right so i sell they'll show me the water It shows me water and it's like $12 for water. I said, okay.

That way you paid for the Hawaii water. Two for three. Okay. So I got that. And she says you need other things in the fish tank. And my kids, they love hearing this, right? So they want the gravel. Not they want the different cut.

And Sloan sees like the gravel that's like, it's pink and green and all the blue and all the different. Charles in the chat says literally. ran into the same thing at Petco a couple weeks ago. Who knew buying fish was so complicated. Charles, Charles, you and I are a kid in Spirits here. I didn't want to mention the store. But yeah, they would not sell me fish.

Different store would. So then, so now we had to get the grabber. And then Sloan wants like the props or whatever the, so and I get Sloan one, I have to get read one. And now I thought I was just on the hook for a fish at a fish tank or fish. You want at the bowl.

But now I got, now I got a small tank, two fish, water, which I didn't need, gravel, like a mermaid thing, and then a longhorn. It's not actually, it looks like a longhorn. It's a skull? Yeah, and that's going into the fish tank, okay? All right. So now we're going to, but now we need fish food. and she's like for these fish you need you need this type of fish food really like you know when I go

well I used to go fishing with my dad when I was younger I used to just bring like the wonder bread and throw it into it can't do that you need the the actual fish food and I come in the office and Fran here tells me I I need to get certain type of fish conditioner I'm at the point it's been like four weeks now so I need to change the water I hear past that point oh yeah I'm gonna ask me two weeks ago ago. I was like, I think it's every month. No, no. It's more than that. So here's the thing. I don't know how to clean the water. I got to watch a YouTube video for how to clean this water. Oh, I told you. You're not, no, no, we're not prepared for the

the drops. But how do I get the water out? No, it's really easy. I think it's like vacuum in or something. You can do that. That's what they, that's what I saw YouTube video. How big is the, so I only, I'll tell you, let me pull up the receipt. Yeah, I'm speaking from experience of like three months of being a fish owner because it was just a random Saturday. I was home doing work. and I was home and Megan, Francis showed up. Fish, tank, gravel, a turtle that goes in. Like, not a real turtle, but like a turtle ornament that goes inside. And this fish, the named Blue Sky, and they all go into the tent.

And she's like, oh, yeah, by the way, we're leaving an half hour. Can you just set up the fish tank before we go? I have no idea that this is happening. Like, so I had to do all this research really fast. We get the fish in the tank. But yeah, no, so I don't have a ton of experience, you know, over the course of my life. but I will say you need to change that water like every, like 10 day, I think seven to 10 days.

Seven to 10 days. I think that's what they say. But here's what, here's like a miracle. No, but here's what, here's all I do. How big is the tank? I'm pulling it up now here. I'm pulling it up. So our tank is like the size of my laptop.

Like it's like, you know, this about about that's big. If you just change out like the top like third of the water. Yeah. More routinely, like more, you know, more often, then you don't need to do a full water change every, three to four weeks. Okay. So just to the top of it.

So yeah, just basically get like a little cup. Yeah. Dumbia. And then they use that thing that you said. Yeah. And then use the, uh, the, that, so whatever that liquid is. In the recent orders, it's not coming up in recent orders.

I don't know why. Technology these days. I hope it, I mean. Because you've been to that store so many times that it's no longer recent. Yeah. But, um, it was during the buy week. The pie week was was three weeks ago. Three weeks ago.

So. But the fish are doing well. the fish are don't know about that do they have names um yeah they have names um

I don't know I don't know I forget um I think one was um Caitlin maybe Catherine

Catherine was one and then reads I forget it was supposed to be Nemo and Dora but they changed it and I forget the names I don't know

the first week I was I was feeding him and it smells bad. And so, you know what? You teach a kid to fish, right? So it's literally, it's like, if I do it for him, he'll never learn. So I said, read, you got to learn how to feed the fish. Now Reed feeds the fish every day.

But that's overfeed. Can't be overfeed. No, I can't overfeed. Yeah, I learned that. Trust me, I learned that. So, but anyways, the fish are doing well. It's right next to my office. When I get home, like I got home late last night from Neil Cut.

I always, he was so good. But I got home and everything's dark except the fish tanks. It's kind of like a nightlight for me. So it's great. Okay. Nice. Our tank almost took a spill last night. Oh, yeah?

It would have been tough. Well, we walked in and it was dark and we turned the lights on and Francis points up to the top of the ceiling. It's like, what is that? There's a cicada killer in the house. Oh, wow. like one of those giant, you know, skate a killer, like the giant wasps. No. Oh, that's like the wasp are like two or three inches like they're gigantic.

And it's just like hanging out on the ceiling. Oh, they're outstanding by him. But Meg does not mess with bugs. So she does not mess with bees and Francis because of that like Francis also is not a fan of bees. So they took the dog and they went outside. And I'm looking at this thing. We've got high ceilings when we first walk in.

I'm like, I don't know how I'm going to get this. So I propped the, the door open. I grabbed the longest broom I could find and I just started like swatting at it. it came buzzing down and I took a swing and missed the fish tank by like this my there was near disaster but came out on top what's your fish's name blue sky oh nice the first one it's a social network right yeah that's what franis was going for a he hates he loves so we learned the hard way about the changing the water because the blue sky one uh didn't last didn't last long, but Blue Sky 2

has lived a happy life for the last three, four months. I have one Eagle's other thing to talk about. Okay. Did that go too long on the fish? No, no. Okay. This is, I think this is going to be one where this is going to be an unpopular opinion. Yeah. The

video of the Siriani-Sacon conversation on the bench, like, oh, this is, this is so hardwarming. Oh, yeah. This is so hardwarming, like, what a great, what a great thing for Seekon to do. I'm sorry. Like, Is anybody listening to the way that that conversation went? That was very much, like, Nick being like, hey, Seekon, listen, like, you're 16 yards away from your career high.

Like, if you want to stay in the game, you could. I'm going to make the starters out. Right. If you don't. Agree. Like, it's nice that Sequin takes the hint. But Nick's coming over there to tell him, basically, like, hey, like, you could go for this, but, like, I don't want you to. Yeah.

No, you're right about that. But what I appreciated about it, honestly, is that, like, it was almost verbatim to the way Nick described it. Like, you know, I thought Nick dramatized it. And that's true. So when I saw the video, I was like, oh, God, is this going to, you know, I put this out. It was in my story. And I was like, oh, my God, this is almost verbatim. So I appreciated the authenticity of it.

But yeah, you are right. He did beg the question in it. Like, Nick did not want to. It's not like, in the statement, I was like, hey, man, Coke, take him out. Take me out. Let the other guy see it. It was like, you couldn't go for it. But if you heard the full answer that Nick gave, Nick, Nick said the other night, he was, or the other afternoon, he was like, you know, it's really conflicted there.

Because, like, you know, I didn't want to be the one who puts him out there in a blowout. And, like, you can definitely hear Nick saying that in his voice. Yeah. Although I want to defend Todd Bowles. I know Todd Bowles is getting some heat for Chris Godwin last night. That game wasn't technically over when, like Godwin was out there was a 10-point game. Yeah. So, yeah, I think Bowles is getting undue heat today.

I think that's fair. I agree with that. All right. Good episode. I mean, the football talk was good, but the fish stuff, that's what's going to keep the people coming back. That's fantastic. Yeah, I really felt like Larry David to bring it all full circle. You know, I can see that in a curb episode where they're not selling Larry David the fish.

Oh, that's the cicada killer. Oh, man. That's nasty. Oh, man. That's, those things are no joke. That thing would have been worried. I surprised you didn't know a cicat killer. I've never heard that.

Oh, yeah. They're at Novacarral. The giant wasse you see flying around the practice field during training camp. I just thought that's because the media house hasn't been cleaned in 10 years. I never heard that. I've never heard that phrase because they only go for cicadas. Interesting. Yeah.

NBA starts tonight. Got two games tonight. You got two games tonight. You got what? It's the Nick Celtics. The Nick Celtics and then the Lakers T-wolves. Looking forward to watching the T-wolves. I'm going forward to watching the Nick Celtics.

Do you think that you are the biggest non-Seltics, non-Mazula family member fan of Joe Mizzilo in the world? No, probably not. You're on the Mount Rushmore. Yeah. I mean, there's people in West Virginia who love them, I imagine. People at Fairmount State, I imagine, who feel the same way. Maybe some main Red Clause fans. I doubt that.

But, yeah, I mean, look, I covered Joe Mazzua for three NCAA tournaments at West Virginia. So it was one of those things I randomly got to sign West Virginia in each of those years. And I remember some Bob Huggins's quotes too, or maybe it was two tournaments. And I'm conflating the different regions and brackets. But in any event, I remember him being a go-to quote then, and he's a great quote now as well. Great. Nice. All right, I'll do it for this episode of the P.HLY Eagles podcast.

Thank to everybody for sticking with us at the end and watching. We'll be back tomorrow 2 o'clock. Jamie, handsome rich, I believe Vinnie Curry, joining the show as well. And then on Thursday, a little schedule tweak with the Eagles media schedule means that ZB is going to be with us in studio on Thursday. So we're looking forward to that. We won't be this draft the dorm, Sruper. That's a good thing.

I don't make promises you can't keep. Yeah, I mean. Oh, we should talk about that, by the way. Super. You guys tied. Yes, two to two. So Kenny Pickett rolling out on his lone dropback and miss, not his loan drive, his second drop back and not throwing the ball to Grant Cockatara cost me to win. So I will very quickly go through it.

Okay. Zach, the Eagles score the first quarter did not happen. The Eagles recover a level on defense did not happen. The Eagles get a first down or touchdown on the opening drive did happen. Segment Barclay has the most rushing yards in the game for either team did happen. the Eagles score on each of their first two drives did not happen. I had the Eagle's sideline draws a penalty flag, and the player who wins this item has at least as many of their submitted items

hit this week as the other two players. Obviously didn't happen. Big boner by me. Speaking of Blue Chew, Fram, an Eagles scores his second touchdown of the season. Did not happen. Josh Sweat gets at least a half sack. Did happen. At some point, either team has exactly 26 points.

Did not happen. The Eagles tight ends combined for at least two catches. You paid seven turkeys for it. Can you pick and let you down? And then Saquan Barkley leads the evening. He goes in rushing two. So you guys are tied. And that means that Zach, you're going to bump up to 0.83 wins.

And Fran, you're going to jump ahead with 2.33 wins. And I will have 1.83 as we move forward. Fran, you have seven turkeys left over. Zach, you have six turkeys left over. I have negative 14. So there we go. I guess I could also put, Kenny Pickett wasn't the only one. You know, if Jalen had thrown that first throw to Grant Cogter on the flat on that first sack of the game.

True. That could have been a tight end. How much is you really trashed Jack Stoll? Right? All right. Clearly not enough to give me a win. All right. That'll do it for this episode.

Thanks to everybody for watching. Make sure you hit the thumbs up button. You tell your friends, all that good stuff. We'll be back tomorrow. Thanks to Julia for making it happen. And as always, we love you.