PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Fran Duffy reviews Jalen Hurts & the Philadelphia Eagles’ passing game as defense DOMINATES

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

Darius Slay, Zack Baun, Quinyon Mitchell, Nolan Smith, C.J. Gardner-Johnson? No complaints. Nakobe Dean? Sad news about the third-year linebacker. But one catch for A.J. Brown? Jalen Hurts continuing to hold the ball and take sacks? Not ideal, but also not disqualifying. What hope is there that Kellen Moore and Nick Sirianni’s offense can break out soon?Fran Duffy reviews the film with Zach Berman and Bo Wulf as they react to Sunday’s win over the Packers and the latest Eagles news. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

to the PHLY Eagles podcast on a beautiful Monday. Bowulf, Fran Duffy, Zach Berman here. And we are presented by Bet365. Download the Bet365 app and use code PHLY365 when you sign up. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bet365. And we have a lot to talk about, gentlemen, some sad, bad news for the Eagles defense injury-wise. Fran has crushed that film into a fine powder over the course of the past, I don't know, 18 hours or so. We're going to talk about the hope for the passing game.

Does it matter? Can the Seagull's team go to the Super Bowl? Even if they don't have a good passing game, is that just how good the defense and running game is? Lots to talk about. How are you, gentlemen? Start with you, Fran. Doing great.

Yeah, it's obviously a short turnaround to get through the film, but look, we're going to be turning our attention towards whoever the opponent's going to be for Sunday. So we want to get through this film fast. Well, I'm glad you brought that up, Fran, because we're going to do a special show tonight. We're going prime time to watch along with you. for the game that will determine who is coming to the link next Sunday at 3 p.m. What we're going to do is we're going to start about halftime.

We're going to start at 9.30 tonight, the three of us watching the third quarter, talking about the first half of the game, and then we will do a reaction right after the game is over to talk about who is coming to the link on Sunday. Zach, how are you doing? Excited for the show. Doing well. What did you think of the game last night? I was working.

So I only caught the final drive. Like the only time I saw the TV was the final drive. So it would be hard for me to say. I was impressed with Jaden Daniels on the final drive, but I can't offer keen insight on last night's game. Do you think that the commanders stand a chance going to Detroit of knocking them off? Well, I think Detroit is the best team in the NFC. So the commanders stand a chance.

Sure, it's the playoffs. But I would pick Detroit. in that game. Okay. What about you? Yeah, I think this is the point that Danes made on Friday, that even if you think probably like the Rams or even the Vikings would be a little bit less scary than the commanders for whatever reason because of Jane Daniels,

I think that like the Vikings would have stood a better chance of knocking the lions off. And so maybe the Eagles best path to the Super Bowl would have been to root for the bucks and hope that the lions got pipped in that divisional round game. Yeah, I've seen no reason this year to doubt the lions. I think they're a legit team. They've withstood injuries. They're getting healthier now. They're rested.

I just think that's a really good football team in Detroit. And I, you know, I'm not rooting for anybody. But it has felt all season long like we were headed towards this collision course of the Eagles and Lions getting to finally play each other in the NFC championship game. And so just from a football fan wanting to see how it plays out standpoint, I just hope we get it. I mean, if Minnesota wins tonight and Detroit wins next week, there literally couldn't be a more difficult path in the history of the NFL

than an 11 win team in the wild card round a 14 win team in the second round than a 14 win team win team in the 10th championship I've had to go on the road which is maybe a little bit of the win total I would I would venture to guess that there would not

there's never been a sequence with with that many wins that you have to beat to get there And do you think that if the Eagles get to the Super Bowl with that path? And even if they lose in the Super Bowl, should they hang an NFC North champion banner? I mean, it's as tough a division as there's been, I don't say ever, I'd have to look at that empirically to say. But a 14 win of team, a 14-win team and an 11-win team. And if the Eagles survived that gauntlet, that would be extraordinarily impressive.

All right. Let's get to the news. Yeah. And it was, you know, what we feared to some degree, watching Nukobo Dian get carted off yesterday. But what was the news from today, Zach? Yeah, bad news for the Eagles. Bad news for Nicopi D. Nekobo Dene suffered a torn Patel attendant in his knee.

This is according to a leaked source confirming the NFL network report. Huge loss for the Eagles. And he's just such a valuable player. The heartbeat of the defense, that's how he's been. described a defensive signal caller. He's really been playing well. I'll defer to you guys in terms of the explanation for what he's been doing well. But you could feel the pain in the locker room yesterday. This news today confirms it. And then the sad part is it's not just that it affects the Eagles in the postseason. This has ramifications beyond the season. This is the type of injury

that stretches into the 2025 season. So it affects the way they have to plan. But I know we're kind of we're hyper-focused right now on the post-season. season. Linebacker might be the thinnest position on the Eagles roster. They only have four players. Warren Berks and Jeremiah Trotter Jr. are the two backups. And they have been, they've had such good

linebacker play throughout the year. Dean and Bond compliment each other. They play well together. So just really tough news for the Eagles and really tough news for, for Bonn. I was listening to the show on my way home last night. And you put it well, like

all the things he's endured together. to this point to the first two years to not go the way he planned earned the job this summer a really difficult end to his season and he was playing so well not just over the course of the season but even last night there yesterday with the way that he was playing i mean downhill for the ferocity uh the range the play speed you know we talked about like the the high speed internet that he was playing with yesterday on the show but when you look at the way that nicobe dean showed up on film before the injury uh you feel for him too and going back to and rewatching it today.

You could see it was a play. He sniffed out a tight end screen, and you can see as soon as he makes the tackle, he just takes a look. He peels the pad back and looks at his knee. And you could tell that he knew right away what the injury was and that it was long term. Yeah, a couple of things.

I mean, for one, I mean, this is a career changer for Nukobody. And there's no guarantee that from this injury, he ever regains that explosiveness again. Like this is the kind of injury that can really affect him moving forward. And it's also like you feel terrible for him like carrying the injury prone bugaboo. It's going to affect the Eagles long term roster planning, no doubt. And for him personally, like we talked about, I mean, he's been through a lot in his young career. And for him to have

gotten through that and to be playing as well as he was playing, it's brutal. And you can understand why his teammates so many of them who know him so well were affected. The slight positive is that like if there's anyone on the roster who I feel like can fight through this to get to the other side it's Nkobi Dean like just talking to him on locker room clean out day last year he had such a he had such a good perspective on like what was what was then a star crossed season for him and the way that he was able to sort of stay like a level headed and so like it's going to be it's going to be a brutal grind yeah you know he might not be back until December of next year but like you know I think what he would say is that like you know he's he's made for these kinds of challenges so

I think every eagle's fan will be rooting for an Jacoby Dean yes clearly so but it's with with knee injuries with positions where you need speed and explosiveness that's it's just it's just tough you feel for him there now yeah I don't I'm not a doctor I don't know the prognosis I there I there have been players who recovered from this, but this is considered a harder injury to recover from than like an ACL, which is always a tough injury as well. So short term, he replaced by Orrin Berks,

who would look to me, just on first watch, was being a little bit taken advantage of by the Packers on offense. In week 17, when Nicobie Dean was out, they did a little bit of a rotation there with Orrin Berks and Jeremiah Triter Jr. What did you see from Birx yesterday, Fran? And do you think there's reason to think that maybe we'll get a little

little bit of a rotation moving forward. Yeah, I think that it would be interesting to see if they do go with the rotation. Like you said, they did it in week 17 against Dallas and then both he and Jeremiah Trotter Jr. got the full games run in week 18 against the Giants. What did they take from that? Obviously, yesterday. We didn't see Trotter Jr. on defense. It was all Warren Berks. Are they going to decide that they want to platoon those guys moving forward? Or is Burke's going to be the guy going into the postseason? You lean on the guy that's got that veteran savvy and has that experience. I'm going to be honest, I don't think that either one is going to be able to step in and be able to put on

the Batman cape and kind of carry that load. I think that when you look at Orrin Berks, it's not to the level. Here's the way I look at it almost, okay? You've got, are you a negative? Are you able to keep the ship level? Or are you providing like a positive impact on the game? Right. Zach Bond is consistently providing a positive impact on the game. Nicoby Dean was probably somewhere between level one and level two in terms of like keeping the ship straight and making those high impact plays. I think Orrin is, Oren Berks is probably on the tier below two and three where he's not as bad as like what Nicholas Morrow was last year, right? Where he was a liability in the run game and the past game. I'm sorry,

but, you know, this is what we're dealing with now. It's not quite to that level, but I think that, yeah, he can get picked on at times. We saw some mistackles in the game. We saw them run right at Orenbergs at times, but then also third and long and they're running Texas routes underneath with Josh Jacobs to target Orenberg's. some coverage. And so I think on a couple of these occasions against some of these teams, Minnesota like Kevin O'Connell, yeah, they're going to game plan to try and create some of those plays. Sean McVeigh, yeah, he's going to circle 42 and say this is a guy that we can go after in certain situations. Yeah, is there between those two offenses? Is there one that you're

more worried about exposing a weakness at the linebacker spot? I would say just from a personnel standpoint, probably more so Minnesota, because Aaron Jones has been more of a factor in the past game than Kairn Williams, but both coaches are pretty good. targeting individuals and saying, okay, we're going to put this guy in the blender. Yeah, the Eagles, they pursued Oren Berks. This was a guy that they wanted to sign in free agency, but they didn't want to sign them to be the starting linebacker, okay? Couldn't make the clump in the stump and then eventually made it.

Howie Roseman told Nick Siriani when they signed him, this is one of the best number three, number four linebackers in the NFL. And it was said as a compliment, right? Orrin Berks came in with nearly 100 games in his career. career. He has 17 starts in his career. Playoff tested. You know, he, he has over a dozen playoff games in his career. If you watched the Super Bowl last year, which I mentioned our viewers did, you saw him fill in for Drake Greenlaw. He's been like that good option as your number three, number four guy, but hasn't necessarily been viewed as a full-time starting

linebacker. And that's probably for a reason. I mean, he's a reliable special teams player. So that yesterday. Yeah, he, you saw the opening play and that he, he, he, he's, you saw the opening play. and that he's been a key part of the Eagles coverage units, but he's not, he hasn't been a starting linebacker. And this isn't, this isn't like a Zach Bond situation where it's like no one's kind of unknown how to use him.

This is his position, yeah. Yeah. And he's played, he played with the Packers. He played with the 49ers. He's had opportunities there. And this has kind of been his role as the top reserve. The top reserve's there to, like you,

when Dean missed week 17, that's when it's good to have a guy like Warren Berks. You don't necessarily view it like, all right, this is the guy you're turning to full time. He could prove us all wrong, but this is a drop-off from Dean to Berks. Now, the truth is

this Eagles team has been very fortunate health-wise. Yes. I mean Brandon Graham and now NCOB Dean, those are the only starters or borderline starters they've lost for the season at this point. Most of the other teams still around have had to deal with things like that. And so, you know, you can't, you can't make excuses.

But from a Vic Fangio standpoint, Fran, I mean, my guess is we're just, he's just going to go forward with Oren Berks. Yeah. But are there any other, you know, interesting solutions he could, he could have, like, does he have them to do some big nickel? Like, do they play more dime? Like, I don't know that they'll necessarily go big nickel, but I think, you know, I'm honestly done with trying to project the dime package. Yeah. There have been a few times this year or like, all right, this is it. This is the week. Oh, they're going up against, you know, Jaden Daniels. Maybe they want to get more speed on the field and get Sidney Brown out there.

And obviously, we have not seen that. So I think they're just going to stick with Warren Birx and you're going to just kind of put him out there and see if they can keep rolling. It also does the trickle down effect is it sort of affects the positionless ability of Zach Bond. Like if you don't trust the guy,

the other guy to be the man in the middle, you can't play those games with Zach Bond quite as much? I think that they will stick with that. Because I think the value of that especially you know with some of the teams so early in the game yesterday yes they did a first play of the game they they did a late shift from that uh four two front to the five one and you saw that throughout um but they did on the very first play they haven't really done that that early in the games before usually they've been uh we're gonna we're gonna see if we can play it from an even front and then uh

if if it doesn't go so well we'll adjust um but yeah i think that they will still they value that versatility and that front multiplicity so much i would be shocked if they got away from that and kept Bonn as the offball guy and, you know, put somebody else down there. My guess is is that it'll be Warren Berks just stepping in apples for apples for Nicopobey. And Bonn now becomes the defensive signal caller now. I think we can kind of overstate that. You know, you're just, you're just getting the play and relaying it.

But I am curious in terms of setting up the front, different responsibilities that the mic has, how they delineate that. What if, because you don't want to overburden bond. Like you said, you want, you want Bonn to be that chess piece. Berks is a real smart player that's kind of the book on him coming out of Vanderbilt I am curious though Jeremiah Trottor Jr the player he was most

compared to when he was coming out was Nikobie Dean and that was more of a size comparison but you know you mentioned that they rotated back and forth in week 17 that was partly because they both have special teams responsibilities Van Gio didn't want to

overburden one but I am curious like you said if we do see someone Trott Jr. Yeah I think that For those of the people who didn't watch your, you know, review of Trotter Jr. in that week 18 game, what, what did we see? Yeah, I thought that we saw some good. We saw some bad. You know, he missed some tackles, but I thought that he was at his best, you know,

playing downhill in the tackle box. We saw some plays where he was able to defeat blocks one-on-one and find the ball carrier. We did see some miss tackles in space. You know, I think that there are times where he can get out leveraged and that lack of top-end speed does show up. But those are the same things that I would have said about Niko, certainly earlier in his career as well. So do I think that he's going to get completely up to speed and he's going to start seeing things a lot faster and, you know, play to the level that DeCobi was?

That's probably an unrealistic ask. So that's why I do think at the end of the day, they will lean more on the steady hand of Warren Berks as opposed to what could be a volatile option in the rookie Trotter. Also some ramifications here for Zach Bond's future in Philadelphia, I think, and we will address that in a separate video that you can check out on our YouTube channel. before we get to the film review, one other bit of NFL news to discuss, Zach, Cowboys, moving on for Mr. Pro Football Focus. Yeah, it's Mr. Pro Football. They didn't fire him.

They're letting his contract lapse, right? Which is... We fixed the glitch. So Mike McCarthy finished in Dallas, and one thing to pay attention to is whether Kellan Moore is someone that they target, that they're interested in. There's obviously a lot of familiarity.

if you look at Jerry Jones's history, he has tended, he tends to hire coaches that he has a background with. And Kellan Moore at one point was viewed as like the coach in waiting, almost like Jason Garrett was at one point. How many turkeys would you put on it?

I was going to ask that. Okay. I was actually, I didn't know you were going to bring this up. I was going to save the end of the show. I still think fewer than 50%. Okay. I mean, yeah, statistically you would have to.

Well, no, because I still think there's there's more like in-vogue coordinators who maybe they go after. Would he get if you were, do you think he gets the plurality of the turkeys? Do you think he's the most, the single most likely of all the candidates?

I don't. Okay. Unless, unless there's like a big DAC push for it. Yeah. I don't know who. But it also seems to be the case that he's not willing to pay at the top of the coaching market.

And so, you know, he's not going to hire Ben Johnson. Like the guy. No, I was thinking. Yeah. I was thinking,

no, I know. Yeah. I was thinking a guy like Kingsbury or someone, you know, who's from. who's from Texas if they look down there. But, no, Kellynne Moore, look from a, if you have Dak Prescott in place, you know

Kellanmore, knows Prescott has worked well with Prescott. Prescott's clearly the quarterback there. It would certainly make sense. Now, you asked Nick last week about Kellen Moore. I did ask what he thought would make him a good head coach. And it was, it was actually, I thought more of an insight into Nick than Kellen Moore and just the way that he thinks about the job because he was talking mostly about. like the way that he addresses the team and and things like that beyond like offensive scheme or

anything like that but you know his attention to detail all of that stuff you know it wasn't like the pound the table most ringing endorsement but he obviously does think that he would make a good head coach maybe a if dan is would say maybe a better head coach than the coordinator and there is some social media buzz about Dion Sanders do you think that's something as a college football guy Do you think that's something that could be done? Or do you think Sanders would be connected to his sons? I think it definitely could happen. I don't think I don't think Dion's going like that's Jerry's team.

You're the head coacher playing second fiddle. I don't think Dion's going to do that. That's not my perception of Dion. Yeah. But I guess it's big for the brand. I guess it's also an understanding like from Dion's standpoint of like are there other jobs that I think I could realistically go like are there other teams that could be knocking on his door. Yeah. Realistically. If there are, then yeah, maybe not, but maybe Dallas is not for me,

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all right bow you've grinded it grinded it into a fine powder you've snorted it and you're ready to talk about is that what you didn't something like that okay gil and hers yesterday 13 of 21 for 13

131 yards and two touchdowns no interceptions a 101.1 4 pass a rating a j brown one catch for 10 yards as a team, the passing offense, third worst EPA per dropback of the season, third worst success rate of the season for the passing game. What did you see?

And we don't need to do that. I am a little bit every game. It's like, well, is it Jalen or is it the structure of the offense? And I know that there's that debate on Twitter right now. But like, as a group, how bad was it? It was bad. Yeah, it wasn't good. It wasn't good.

And I think that what the, why this is becoming a big thing now is that we're in the playoffs. And there's only, there was only eight teams plans. Now everybody's got eyes on it. And so, you know, Dan Orlovsky from ESPN for NFL quarterback went on. And his stance was that there was nobody open. And the scheme failed Jalen. Jalen played to the best of his abilities. Don't tell Jerry Jones that.

Well, but then when you go to the other side of it, some other quarter. So Ryan Fitzpatrick from Amazon Prime. and Chase Daniel with Fox both went back and said like kind of argued against it a little bit there's open guys yep so I would say there's examples of both on film as is almost as is almost always the case a little bit of everything

but I think when yeah when you look at it the past game was not where it is going to need to be when you're going up against Kevin O'Connell and you're going up against Sean McVey and Matthew Stafford when you're going up against Jared Gough and the Detroit Lions like you're going up against those passing games and those offenses that's not, that's not, Malik Heath and Bo Melton and Emmanuel Wilson,

you're going up against the, like you saw this past week. You know, once the, that Packers offense was, once the attrition took hold, you know, that that team could not move the ball.

That's unlikely to be the case here for the teams you're going to face the rest of the way. I don't know. Like, it's three more games. Can they just bully ball themselves to, they can to the dance? Well, that's the thing.

So like when you, when I think about like, if they don't turn the ball over. If they don't turn the, if they don't turn the ball over. Zach, when we had the identity conversations earlier this year, and so what's the identity? And I believe the word, the, the, the York stance was their identity is their star power.

Yes, right? That's the identity right now is that, you know what? Dallas Goddard is gonna make some Hercules played. If it's not Dallas Goddard, then it's gonna be A.J. Brown. If it's not A.J. Brown, it's gonna be Devante Smith. And at some point, Seque Juan Barkley is gonna have a 60 yard run, which he would have had, had he not slid yesterday. That's, that's the best part of this offense right now.

Is it sustainable? Is it something you can count on for three more weeks? I guess time was going to tell. Yeah. I don't know. It's like we keep hoping. Yeah. That they're going to change something.

Obviously, that was not the case in this game. What were the prime examples for you of like really frustrating plays? From which side? From the Jalen Hertz side or from the, maybe one of each. All right. The most, all right, let's start on the scheme side. Okay. All right.

The worst one. Julia, well, let's go. go to the ISO, ISO clip. So this was the most egregious of what we typically call like the ISO ball, the ISO ball plays. And for those of been watching the show, when I talk about ISO ball, that is when you've got basically three or four individual routes going out, releasing out into a pattern where the routes don't complement each other. Exactly this frame right here. Right. So this is second quarter. It's third and 13. This is the fifth drive of the game. This is a three and out. And this is the third down play. So again, it's third and 13 here.

And you can see the routes that are on display. You've got at the top of the screen, A.J. Brown basically just running vertically down the field on an inside release. You've got Jahan Dotson working the middle of the field where he's just going to run to the sticks and turn around. And then you've got Devante Smith running a speed out route that is well short of the sticks, maybe halfway there, halfway distant. So, Julia, if you want to go to the next shot here, Jalen Hertz takes the snap and drops back. Now, the reason why it's a three-man route, the Eagles kept Grant Calcutterra and Seekwam Barkley in. to pass protect. So it's a max protection play. They chip the defensive ends and then kind of release out into the flat. But basically, Jalen is going to drop back. A.J. Brown's taken away. We've got

safety clouded over to that side. Jahan Dotson is plastered by the linebacker in the middle of field in terms of plastered not like knocked to the ground, but he's covered up. He's got nowhere to go. Devante Smith runs that speed out and he's open. But again, he's five to six yards short of the sticks. So that's not like a viable play within timing. Jalen's not going to start there in terms of going through progressions here on this play. So this was a great example of, all right, like, I don't know what Jaylen's supposed to read on this play. I don't know if he's supposed to read the matchup.

I don't know if that ball's just supposed to come out, bang right to Jahan Dotson as soon as he turns around, that ball's supposed to be there. But again, this is a Green Bay Packers team that as we talked about last week, they were blitzing at the lowest volume, one of the lower volumes in football. They were playing zone coverage at one of the higher volumes in football. So it stands the reason that on third down,

I know it was tweaked a little bit, you know, they would blitz a little bit more on third down and you get a little bit more man on third down. But it's third and long. If they drop back into zone coverage and do this, it's seven bodies against three receivers running isolation routes with no, no one helping each other. This is what you get. And so, uh, Julie, if you go to the next shot, Jalen ends up scrambling. He scrambles for like six or seven yards and the Eagles punt and they go three and out. This was the one where I was like, man, like burn.

It was like send this play to the mood. Like throw out the trash. Like this was this one. It was just I don't know what Jalen is supposed to see on this. play read on this play there's nothing there that's helping him and to me like this wasn't agree because uh dan or laski had put out like a long stream of clips i don't even think this was one of the ones he put on there and this is the one that that supports that claim and i also wonder we talked about this on the post game show and and like the the game was already to nothing or

whatever yeah it was almost as if they chose to park the bus a little bit and i think it is telling uh that you know that they didn't trust the quarterback to only all of these third longs to to go and make those plays. But those route combinations, like, you know, because those routes are not talking to each other, he has to wait and see. Like, you know, there's, he can't anticipate.

And so, yeah, like, I mean, what's the point? Right. It's, it was, it was, it was, that's, and again,

that was one play. I would think that there are, I think there are more plays going in the other direction, uh, where there were guys open that Jalen left on the field. Okay. Um, but that's the problem is that you are a high volume

run team, you are a low volume pass team. And so if you're going to have a handful of dropbacks where, all right, like the scheme's not great, and then you have another handful of dropbacks where, oh, the quarterback leaves and plays on the field, and the rest of them are screens and RPO's, that's kind of where we're at. Like, that's, that's

why you see this, this inconsistency. Intellectually, it's so confounding because you would think that if you, if you don't have that many pass plays, if you're lower volume, then you should be able to only have good pass, you know, and I mean, like, you should be able to save your best concepts because you're not over using them. Correct. I don't know. So what did you make out of them spreading the ball around more than

they have? Do you think that was a deliberate effort on their part? Or do, or do you think that was simply the byproduct of the coverage? I think it was probably byproduct of the coverage. You know, we can go. I mean, well, to be fair, we say they spread the ball around more. Jahan Dotson had one catch. Grand Calcuttaire had one catch. And that's it. Other than that, it's Devante, Goddard, AJ, and Seekwan. Well, the first six passes were to what? to six different receivers, I believe. But yeah. But because like, so Julia, if you pull up Dotson touchdown, like this was not a play that

was designed to go to John, like it was not a play that was like, oh, like, all right, well, you know what, red zone. Let's get Jahan Dotson involved. This was a play that was designed to go to Dallas Goddard. And this was, honestly, the ball should have gone to Dallas. He was open, right? Rhythm. Yeah.

That's where this ball should have gone. You know, and so when you look, Jaylon drops back here, Dallas gotters to his left, DeVante Smith is kind of trailing. them there. Dallas is going to work and basically work the skinny post. You have three receivers going over to the right. That's Sequin Barclayor releasing to the flat. Jalen is looking in the middle of field. That's safety is April McKinney. He's, yes, he's inside of Goddard, but you're, Goddard's going to win here on the route. Julie, if you go to the next shot here, you can see like Dallas had the inside track, was able to, was able to make this play. But Jalen got

off of him. And he initially looks like he wants to try and leave. And you could see Jalen here, again, going back to some of the things we've looked, he's, squared up to the line of scrimmage. He wants to run. He wanted to leave here on this play, decided against it, then stayed put. And Jahan Dotson did a nice job uncovering. If you go to the last one, Julia, Jahan Dotson did a nice job uncovering in the back of the end zone.

There he is and made himself available for, for Jalen Hertz to deliver this ball for a touchdown. Well-placed ball late in the down. But seven seconds later, they were able to find Dotson for a touchdown. And in his defense, I mean, this is the first passing play of the game. For his first, you know, for him not to dot Dallas got out there on, you know, a little bit tight coverage. Agreed. The ball should have gone there. Correct.

You can accept that a little bit. Correct. It turns into a touchdown. And he fights his instincts and stays in the pocket. Correct. How about some of the examples of plays where you would have thought that Jill and Hertz should do better? Let's go to one of the ones that Dan actually highlighted it. So you know what?

There's nobody open here on this play. Julie, if you go to Mistwheel. Is this just a long, like, sub-tweeted at Lorlofski? No, because I thought there were plays. where I thought that that was right. Yeah, exactly. So there are some things where I look at. I'm like, yeah, like this is true.

So this is the second quarter. Let me one second here. Yeah, this is all right. So this is the second quarter. This is a play in the red zone. There where the Eagles settle for a field goal here on this drive. So it's second down, second and four. And Jalen drops back.

And basically the idea here is that you're going to have Dallas got it running a post and you're going to have Seekoine Barkley releasing on a wheel. Now, if you go back, to week one, the touchdown that the first touchdown of the season for the Eagles was a wheel route against the Green Bay Packers. This play is a little bit different because that play, there were two posts releasing

upfield and you had Dallas Goddard running the shot, you had the tight end running the shallow cross behind it. It's not the same exact play, but it's the same idea where you've got the post that's going to stretch the coverage vertically, and then you're going to create a one-on-one for your running back out of the backfield. And that's Sequois Barkley, going to be working against

the linebacker. So, Julie, if you go to the next shot here, Jalen takes the snap, Devante Smith is working the motion. So you've got at the top of the screen, don't even worry about the bottom yet. Top of the screen, Devante comes on motion from left to right. That gives you three receivers over the right side.

There's four white jerseys over there. There's nothing. That is not going to be a number's advantage for the Eagles and for Jalen Hertz. But to the bottom of the screen, you've got, again, Dallas got it working vertically. He's going to take Carrington Valentine in the corner and take him towards the end zone.

And now you've got the one-on-one matchup brewing there between the linebacker in space and with Sequan Barkley. And Sequin is going to blow right by this linebacker. And Julie, if you go to the last shot, you can see, Sequin is going to be, he is open. This is more open than he was on that first beat in that touchdown in week one. Jalen should be stepping up and delivering this throw.

But you can see he's, he's already looking over to his right. That play is dialed up to go to Sequan Barkley. That's a wheel. That is a called wheel route touchdown. Like that should be six points lighten up the scoreboard. And instead he ends up rolling to his right. I think this was a throwaway here for Jalen Hertz. This would be an example of leaving a throw on the field.

Go ahead. Well, I had a question tangentially related to this. If you would have followed up to that specific point. No, go ahead. Okay. Because I'm curious about the AJ Brown of this all. Okay. And which is I don't want to be that guy who's like every time AJ Brown doesn't have a big game.

It's like why wasn't A.J. Brown involved. But this was his lowest target percentage since he came to the Eagles. You know, 12.5%. Right. why wasn't AJ Brown more involved? Good question. I mean, we talked last week

about the amount of cloud coverage that the Green Bay Packers played and how that can take away AJ Brown and how his efficiency and his production has always dropped against coverage schemes like that. I was very interested to see, all right, what coverages did they do?

Is this what they did? They played two snaps of cover two the entire day yesterday. They went, it's not opposite, because they still played a lot of zone, but they played more cover four like straight quarters than they have in any other game this season. So they kind of switched up what they did.

They only had one play where they like disguised cover two. I was shocked. Yeah. I was I was very, very surprised with what they did. I actually pulled some of the numbers really quick. And I was shocked by by what their approach was where they didn't lean into those as much. And they blitzed more than what we've seen. They did cut.

They used cover zero, 12.5% of snaps. That was their third most popular coverage in the game yesterday. was cover zero. Cover the other. They played cover four, 50% of snaps against, out of their base defense.

They played base a lot in that game. And so that's, that might be part of it is like, hey, you know what? We're playing base. We're going to play more cover four. But even still,

like they played cover four out of base 7.9% of snaps in the regular season. That was up to 50% yesterday. So they said, all right, we're going to do something completely different and see if we can throw Jalen Hertz off and that worked that worked for them. But to your point,

they didn't do the cloud coverage over, over AJ. Like that, that was not. not the issue in the game. So why didn't the ball go to him? Why didn't they have more plays dialed up for him? Did AJ look right to you?

Yeah, I mean, he was, he was giving it all as a blocker. You know, I thought he did a good job in that area. So no, I didn't think that he looked out of sorts from that. I'm sure he was feeling it. I'm sure he wasn't 100%. But yeah, I don't know that that was necessarily the number one reason why he didn't get targeted. What more insight did you get on the on the book, Zach? Well, regarding, since we spoke on the show last night, it was actually, the book was a recommendation from Moro Ojima.

Ajamma. Ajamma. Thank you. Morrow Ajamma recommended it to him. And A.J. Brown reached two books a month. He prefers nonfiction. He doesn't really have time for, or he's not really into fiction. Men After Going Heart.

Yeah. There's a story up on all p.chly.com right now about taking, behind the scenes of the book. I think that, yeah, I kind of respect that, I respect where he's coming from. He is serious about this. This is, and he actually put on social media the past, you know, his favorite passages from the book.

And if you listen to what his comments were after the game about the importance of mental clarity for him, and then you read what these passages are, you can see a direct one-for-one correlation. I got to say, as an author, I'm a little envious. I said that book's best, it's Amazon the bestseller right now. Printing Cashish. Yeah.

The little amyous of that. But no, in all seriousness, I respect where he's coming from. I mean, it's like an incredibly well-adjusted thing for him to be doing. Yeah, absolutely. Unbelievable. Where do we stand on you reading this book front? So my father-in-law purchased the book for me. Shout out to DR.

Yeah, shout out to my father-in-law, David. that's coming in the mail Tuesday. It is available Kindle Unlimited, so I could read it there, but I'm going to read the copy that my father-in-law sends me. So I'll knock that out this week, and I'll have a report for you on Friday. Fantastic. And, yeah. Now, I do have a question for you.

Competing reports I saw after the game of reporters who got in touch with the author. Now, the Inquirer said that he was, they both said, that he was watching a replay of the Notre Dame college football game, but the Inquirer reported that he was in his Washington area home, and Sports Illustrated reported that he was in a Dallas area hotel. Who's right? I didn't speak to the author. This is why nobody trusts the media.

You sound like somebody else right now. No, the industriousness, I respect the industriousness of both Jeff and Connor in Jory. I've seen from Yahoo Sports. I haven't spoken to the author. I probably should have. I was doing the show and doing a few other stories last night, but I don't have a good answer for you.

Maybe he was neither place. Maybe he's just a liar. I can't imagine that. Okay. I did have a separate A.J. question. Okay. It involves Kellen Moore and Nixiriani. I'm curious what you guys think.

So the fake quarterback sneak past age. Yeah. Okay. Fun. Yeah. Yeah. So Minnesota ran this in the bowl game. Okay?

The gophers. Yes. The gofers. Do you think this was in the system before then? Or do you think this is something they picked up from that? I mean, I imagine they have been searching for a couple changeups for a while. I don't know if it's the exact same one. But I don't know.

You think that they took it from them? I don't think it takes that much of a leap for them to be like, let's create a potential explosive out of this. No, but the actual like the, the, um, pretending that you're like tripping or something. Yeah. I don't know that Jailings sold that part very well. Yeah. He did okay. It was okay.

Yeah. It was all right. But yeah, it was against, it was. It was in the Mayo Bowl. Yeah, it was in the, it was in the mail bowl. And actually, Anthony said, Anthony said on today's show, uh, check Anthony are going to show every morning that Anthony saw this and I might have alerted somebody about this too. So I'm curious. Yeah.

Wow. I'm going to find out. The Cuzz trick play. I'm going to find out more. about this yes they didn't they so Minnesota did not do the fake trip part of it they that quarterback just kind of stepped up and then

fell back and made the throw so because the play I thought of was the Jared Goff lines like fake trip fake fumble yeah I didn't I thought that was great process though to that was the time on third and short and then knowing that if you don't get it you're gonna go you're still going to go for it and probably get it on fourth down I thought that was the right

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I don't understand. It was a, don't encourage him. Or there's an empty set. So Jalen Hurts in the backfield by himself. And what we've got is a play that the Eagles have run multiple times, every game over the last, we'll say six to seven weeks. And Dana is we'll attest to it. I know this play is drive. And basically what you get is three routes that Jalen. It's a West Coast offense table. This is like a three-step quick game type of concept.

And Julie, if you want to go to this, this is their go-to play for the most part out of empty. And they've done it out of, you know, other non-empty sets as well. But if we go to the next shot, we can see basically what the three routes are. And the first one that Jalen typically starts with. is like a speed out from Devante Smith at the top of the screen, or whoever that number two receiver is here, it's Devante Smith. So start there, and then you work the two-man route combination over the middle of field.

It's a shallow cross coming from the opposite side. Here it's Dallas Goddard or it's that little kind of like a sit route, a ball route over the middle. Here, I believe that's Grant Cacotera running that route. Now, again, the Eagles have run this so often over these last few weeks that teams start dialing in to how to cover these routes and how to play. class of these routes. This was one of the ones where Dan Arlowski pointed this out. Jalen hits the top of his drop and Julie, if you go to the next shot, he looks over to Devante Smith and that's covered up. There's a linebacker there waiting and he's basically there to take away that throw. That's an

opposite hash throw that's underneath what's in within five yards of the line of scrimmage. That angle is just that's a tough pass to be able to complete. And then you go to the middle of the field and you see that you've got the two tight ends work in the middle there. First that he's going to start on that shallow cross and then work to the button hook, well, the two middle of the field defenders there for Green Bay pick those routes up. And so now Jaylen steps back and he's got nowhere to go with the football. And he ends up waiting and waiting and waiting. And Rishon Gary gets home for a sack.

And that play happened on second and 12th. Then it brings up third and 19, I believe, and the Eagles are forced to punt. You know, it's plays like that where, again, we've talked about how they've become a little bit predictable. We've seen guys, second level defenders, third level defenders get into passing lanes, point out plays that are coming. and this was an example where this team was just, yep, we've seen this before and they jump all over it. And so I think when you're talking about the uninspiring nature of some of like the ISO ball concepts,

when paired with this aspect, and then also the miss throws, again, it's a little bit of everything when you're talking about what needs to get to get better moving forward through the rest of the postseason. Okay. And still, and yet, I mean, the Eagles won this game going away. Yes, and, yeah. Against, you know, the best seven seed in history, right? A team that was top five in DVOA. You know, there's no guarantee that the passing game won't be better next week.

And, you know, they could have their B plus A minus game coupled with awesome defense, even if they don't get turnovers and the running game, although the running game is not firing on all cylinders. I wanted to bring that up. Yeah. Are you being too negative? Yeah, yeah, I think we all. are. It was the second worst game

with success rate by the run game yesterday against the Packers. And by the way, their four worst games by success rate have come in week 16, week 15,

week 18, week 19 in the run game. No, I'm not disputing that. And this one came with Dallas Goddard back. The MVP was back in a runner. I mean,

I'm just saying like, you know, Seqon Barkley, you know, that game's essentially 2910, right? Like Seekwan Barclay takes a fall on a play

when there was when there's no one in front of him against the team that's top 10 and did you like they were like exactly. Exactly. the same in yards from scrimmage. Like, you know, the underlying numbers in this game were very equal. They went four to zero in turnovers. Yeah, there's no guarantee.

So, yeah, we talk about turnovers not being sticky. And that's absolutely correct. Like the first, you know, the Eagles were two and two earlier this year and they weren't turning the ball over. That was a big reason why. This backstretch of the schedule, they've been outstanding turning the ball over. Turnovers are not sticky. So you can't rely on being plus four.

And, yeah, if they're not plus four, Green Bay probably wins that game. or it's a much different game. Green Bay was moving the ball better at times than, you know, I mean, Green Bay, look at them, they were over 50% on third down. Yep. So they were converting, you know, they were driving. But I still, this is what the Eagles, like the sample size is large enough to say the Eagles wear teams down.

And they've done this now for three months. Now it's harder to wear down Detroit. And that's kind of the context of everything is can they do this against Detroit? And I don't mean to look ahead of. of whoever they play next weekend. But the context of everything is, can they do this against Detroit? And it's harder to play this style against Detroit.

But I do think that there is a little too much, well, you know, Jay-Len wasn't prolific. And not enough. They beat a team by two scores, and they could have won by 20 points. I just, I think, too, like when you look at the Green Bay team, they just beat by two scores, and it could have been more, you know, Sequin,

if he doesn't slide, like that makes it three scores. you know, I just think that that was a Green Bay team that was down a bunch of their best players on offense and a quarterback clearly that did not play his best game. It's just a look, to your point, they don't have to have the best passing game in the league over the course of the season. They just have to have two good games. Doesn't need to. And look, this is in 2017, you know, Nick Foles did not light the world on fire down the

the stretch in the regular season. He didn't look great in that first playoff game against the Atlanta Falcons and then was bonkers. So they had the final two games and Eagles win the Super Bowl. Jalen doesn't need to be that, but it's entirely possible that they can come back and be on a heater for the final three years.

Yeah, I'm less moved by teams that I don't think can do it. Like the 2021 Eagles couldn't do it. I didn't think, you know, the 2019 Eagles could do it, right? But this team has AJ Brown, Devante Smith, Sequin, Barclay, Dallas God. But they've had them all year long.

Sure. I mean, and when they needed to throw the ball against Pittsburgh, they threw the ball against Pittsburgh. Like, outside of, of, You know, the Carolina game was the egregious game where it was like what's wrong with this passing game. Other than that, though, I mean, I really look at it.

You know, like even you talk about the Rams. Sego and Barclay rushed for like 300 yards in that game or nearly 300 yards. The Ravens game, they beat the Ravens by two scores. Like this is, they've been doing this. The way they won yesterday is how they've beaten quality team after quality team after quality team, which is why I, and then

against Pittsburgh, when they had to throw the ball, they did, and so I think the Eagles can, I'm, look, if they don't turn over the ball, if they don't force turnovers, if Janwin commits a, if he throws a bad interception, that game's totally different. But the reality is

this is how the Eagles have won since week five, or week six, rather. Yeah, I mean, it's a different style of play. I would like to see some more deep shots. There was one attempt yesterday over 20 yards. I think it was a throwaway downfield to AJ Brown.

Yep. I'm sure that the Packers were playing with that in mind, but I would still like to see a couple shots. I think that might be like, oh, no, it's the fake touch push. Sure. That was the only deep play. I think that might be like where I ultimately get hung up

with the past game in particular is to your point. Like there's not that vertical element. Right. They're not great in the quick game like timing and rhythm. They don't attack the middle of the field. Their RPO game can be effective, but like the timing hasn't always been great with those. We've seen like penalties.

That was more the beginning part of the year, but like they're still not hitting in all cylinders there. So what part of the passing game are you supposed to hang your hat on in a league where you want to be able to hang your hat on the passing game? That's what gives me like the most part. It would be one thing. It's like, oh, you know, the numbers aren't there. But you know what?

They do this really, really well. Right now. it's what they do really, really well, going back to the beginning, waiting for one of their stars to make a big point. Yeah, and I'm okay with that because I think they can. Now, let me ask you guys this. If they won 3531 yesterday, the passing game looked awesome,

but the defense looked leaky. Would you feel any better or worse today? Uh, I mean, if it was a four point win, I suppose I would feel worse than, but if it was the same margin, yeah,

and the defense didn't turn the ball over. But Jordan Love was able to. Yeah, I would feel better. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. So for you, it's,

Because I know the defense is good. Yeah. I mean, I would, it's the thing. I would feel more concerned if the defense was leaky right now because, and it goes back to the Star Power thing. Like, I know you have AJ Brown and Devante Smith. I'm not, I'm not sold that this defense is, is lights out all the time. You know, so if I saw what.

You're not yet sold at? No, I am now I'm saying. So if they were leaky, I'd be like, oh, the past. rush isn't there or you know the corners are but you can't i mean listen this is an unfair comparison but this is that's the same thing you were saying down the stretch of last season that like well they've got a j brown and devante smith like at some point they're going to get it together like they've had them all year i mean no they've only played what was it four games now with all three guys right healthy yeah i mean it was it was uninspiring i think we are being a little bit too negative like

this this team is still extremely good i think uh you know dv aaron shats has them like now the favorite to win the Super Bowl their number two and weighted DVOA and they don't have to play you know there were one of only two teams in the NFC instead of three teams in the AFC they have a very good chance of going to the Super Bowl they just have

right now they have to win in a different way I feel great about this defense I feel great about I feel I shouldn't say I feel really really good about the run game I would say I would put it in that order like defense then the run game then the past game that but so those success rate things on the run game you're not

you're not really worried about it just it's trending Well, that's why I couched it. That's why I said, like, oh, I feel great about the run game because in the last few weeks, the run game hasn't been as overall effective as what we've seen. But I still feel really good about it. I mean, it's Seguan Barclay, a 2,000-yard rusher and one of the best offensive lines of football. So, yeah, I still feel good about it.

But, yeah, this time of year, when it only takes one slip up, that's what keeps you up in that. Yeah, do you remember the Phillies postseason? Remember how long ago that seemed? Before that, the Phillies regular season. Does that seem even longer ago? the Eagles have lost one game since then, since the Phillies were,

one game since Eagles were in the regular season. Think about it like that. Like, you know, since, since the month of September, so since, since October 1st started.

You're all, you're only open up a kind of one, but second. They play one game a week. It's not like, okay. I understand, like,

how time works, but it's also. I mean, they've lost one game since, they've lost one game since week four. Right? Think about that. To be fair.

They've, only lost three games since last president's day. I'm just saying. And then the other thing, too, it's like. And then you say. Labor Day. No. And then the other thing too is, is, you know, many times I've sat with you and you're like,

I let 2020 team with Jonathan Gannon, that was the, that was the big problem there, you know. And then you look at this, this team's not getting, you know, this team's stopping every quarterback they've been facing basically. And, uh, yeah, their defense is. unbelievable. It's awesome. Yeah. And so like what, so if the only thing that will leave you encouraged about, I shouldn't

frame it like that, if you're only going to be encouraged by this team if Jay one Hertz is throwing for 300 yards and four touchdowns, I'm saying you're missing the far through the trees here, right? Like I think there's something to be the way they're playing. It's not the way I thought they'd play this year. And I think, but the defenses is working. And yeah, I am confident in AJ Brown and

Devante Smith and Dallas God. And I know I said that last year. The difference is last year that defense was horrible as well. So at least, you know, I think, and I keep going back to this, and I'm not defending Jalen, and I'm certainly not defending the coaching staff. But I do think during the by week, their biggest point of emphasis was don't turn the ball over. And since then, Jalen's throwing one interception.

So, you know, yesterday, Jordan Love, who outplayed Jalen, let's say, by yardage or whatnot, but Jordan Love threw three interceptions. Now I know one was a desperation heave at the end, basically, but Jordan Love threw three interceptions. J.1. Hertz did not turn the ball over. That was the difference in a postseason game, was the turnovers. Okay. Let's get to the super chats.

Got a bunch of them. Starting with Kevin, who says, I don't believe this, but does even 5% of you think that Tanner McKee could improve the passing game? For Zach, are the words, one and one pronounced differently. They are. One, one, one.

John Clark does the same thing. It's a Philadelphia accent. Yeah. Yeah. How would you say? Wan, one, one. Yeah. One, one, one, one, one.

So what's the fourth? What's the noun again? The currency. Okay. One, one, one. That's pretty good. Zach's pass code. It's a Philadelphia accent.

Kevin, yes. Five percent of me does think that. I think 33% of the set probably thinks that. I think you might be under, I think you might be undervaluing. Jack Royer says, how much did Green Bay's defense scheme and personnel play into the lack of passing game success

and how do the remaining defenses compare? I'm going to be honest, if the Packers had done more of the, like the disguise, like pressure stuff that we had talked about a week ago, I would have been able to better explain some of the issues. But they didn't, as we talked about, the coverage plan was a lot different.

And so that I think actually makes it more startling. Make sure that if you are watching on Fast, first of all, we appreciate you, we see you, we love you. Check out the rest of the episode on all-P-Hly.com. On that same topic, the running game success, what did they do well against the Eagles that Packers front? Slayton was kind of a monster. Yeah, Slayton, I mean, again, he's been really, really stout,

inside. The linebackers did a nice job of playing downhill. They were able to defeat some blocks at times. I think that from an assignment standpoint, there were some, so there were some mix ups up front where guys like split double teams between Cam Jurgensen and Mackay Beckton or between Landon Dickerson and Jordan Milata. There were a couple of those, one or two. Yeah, I think those were kind of the big differences there. Even Dallas Goddard's presence could not help everybody on that front. Quick note on Slate and Saquan Barkley talking about the unnecessary roughness penalty said, quote, I've done a couple commercials in my life, so I know how to sell it a little bit. I do think it was, too, but I also know how to fall pretty good.

So was he definitely talking about that one, or was he talking about the one on the sideline? Do we know? Oh, no, the one when J-Hertz got into the face of Slavin. That's what I was referring to. Okay. Yeah, because that one, I thought that one was more of a personal foul than the one of the sideline, even though the sideline was pretty far off. Yeah, but I agree.

Good job by, good job by sake one. Michael Vic to Deshawn Jackson says long-time listeners and fans of Eagles here my brother and me flew from the Czech Republic to see yesterday's game and he says Zach they both pee standing up I certainly I don't want to sound cocky or anything

I'm interesting judge I'm proud of the career I've created I certainly hope I'm known for me Cock of the Walk you are I certainly hope I'm known for more than being standing up, but I respect your commitment to coming in from the Czech Republic. I have a lot of respect for the Czech Republic. I wanted a story on Yarmier Yager and Jacob Vorichick,

and their roots in Cladino, I believe it's called. It was a real fun story. Yarniur Yager was so sick of me by the end of that story to the point where he's like, I think he said, you again? And you know who he was talking about. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, so that's my, I can tell you a lot about, a lot about the Czech Republic from that story.

I really immersed myself into the research. Would you say you know more about the Czech Republic or stoves? I know more about the Czech Republic, but my, there's been a lot of time since both, since I read that book and I wrote that story. Here lies, Zach Berman, loving father. father and husband died as he lived working till his dying day one can only hope he peed standing up he did he be standing up guilty is charged uh yeah love it love a prog yeah love a prog shout out to the checks uh roheat says jlin looked slow on the keeper plays and kept

bouncing outside for no reason uh did cause the holding call on devante smith night and day versus lamar and jane did and daniels i thought i actually i thought jaylin or jillan made a couple a good reads on those. But there were two specific plays where like he's trying to go to the outside. Like that's not your game. The one last one was bad. The first one, the 15-yarder where he cut it right up and got vertical. That was a really nice run, a nice keep there.

Yeah, I mean, he's there to compare him to Jaden and to Lamar. He's never, that's never, yeah, that's never been the, his type of athleticism. He is more like Josh Allen or Cam Newton, like where it's the more power. He wants to see him going downhill. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, Santiago says, what's it going to take to replace Jalen Hertz for McKing? Um, you know, that's, I mean, here's the third quarterback. Common sense is the only answer.

Jalen Thompson says, is there any chance Kellen Moore leaves even if he doesn't get a head coaching job because they won't let him run his offense? Uh, no, I don't see that occurring. Uh, Kellan Moore, first off. I think there's at least a, at least a chance, but I don't think it would be in. I think there's a chance, but Kellemmore's under contract. I think the only way he would leave. leave as if Jalen doesn't want him here anymore.

Yeah. And I think it's probably internally at the point where they're not going to just kowt out to whatever Jailen wants. Yeah. I think that's where they stand. I also think we would spend a lot of time in the office season talking about, well, we remember the last time that Jailen had his second year with the same signal caller. They went to the Super Bowl.

Like he hasn't had that opportunity. Exactly. Maybe that will build up some equity there. And finally, Aaron says you are stealing a Pete Holman. I won one one one one one I won I won one I don't know that was a Pete homesick I like a Pete Holmes but I didn't know that was a so let me know what I'm doing wrong here okay you don't do anything wrong Juan Cassieo yeah no no here I won the game yeah one time with Juan Castillo as the coach and what's the other one

the one the South Korean currency I've never been the South Korea I've never recited the South Korea currency so That's one. Can you spell it? I believe it's W-O-N. W-O, so it's, it's one, just like one, okay. All right. I don't think you're doing anything wrong.

Okay. That's how you say it. Yeah, my pronunciations, I remember back in radio. Don't beat yourself up. In college, no, in college, I remember doing a college radio show, and they said you have to get rid of your Philadelphia accent. And I was like, what if I want to work in Philadelphia? Yeah. They were dumped on it by that answer.

because everyone kind of wants to work in New York or do National. And I'm like, and I remember vividly having the conversation. They're like, they said, you have to get rid this Philadelphia accent. And I said, what if I want to work in Philadelphia? And so then they're like, I guess that's okay then. Okay. How do you say the piece of cloth that you dry yourself off with after one of your seven showers a day? Towel.

And what do you say? I say towel as well. Meg is a tail. What sport to the Sixers play? Basketball. Basketball. Basketball. Yeah.

What about wonderful? Wonderful. Oh, okay. Not wonderful. Not wonderful? No, I've never said wonderful. Is that what? I was just a wand.

If you pronounce it, W-O-N as one, but. Yeah. How about the, the instrument for the kids when they're coloring? A crown. Yeah, you do. Okay. So Meg says crown too.

Okay. On great minds think alike. Here you go. Okay. How about? How about the thing you pee with? Excuse me? God, you got...

I don't know where you come up with this stuff. Thanks for watching, everybody. You guys have a lot of kids of similar ages. You got a lot of butt talk going on in the house these days? Like fart jokes and people talking about butts. Sure. The kids are like very, you know... I wonder when they get it from.

It's not for me. You don't say. That's not for me. I mean, but it is funny. I mean, you got to... You gotta tell them it's not funny, but... Oh, oh, you know, your kids don't talk about butts? No, they had over at New Year's Eve, one of our cousins brought my kids.

It's like a gag thing. Like a whoopee cushion? Like a fake poop. Oh, yeah, we know. And so my kids love putting that somewhere. In fury and Emily threw that out right away. she keeps such a clean house that even the thought of a fake thing yeah yeah was was was a non-starter we got the same thing uh francis got the same thing for christmas okay and uh so we got we got a puppy in

the in the spring summer and you know the potty training was like up and down i'm waiting for the the time when uh pretty pot a you're gonna see it think it's the fake one and grab it that's actually yeah the real item the people want to know how you pronounce uh like the the the thing in a milky way. I'm not a candy guy. Is it a nugget? No, so the other thing. Oh, yeah.

Carmel or caramel, caramel, I guess. Yeah, that's see, but when I said caramel at one point, but now I said caramel. I, so there's caramel and then there's the caramel corn. Oh yeah, I say caramel corn. Yeah, it's true. Right. I would always go back. But I'll have ice cream and up of caramel on it. Yeah.

Okay. CDP, checking in before the buzzer, says, this season is like the 2021 Broncos Cowboys game. Vic put up a master class and Kellyn Pist all over himself. He said it, I read it. That's, you know, I take no responsibility for our benefactor, Chase Daniel Plain. All right. Remember, tonight, this is how we find out who the Eagles are going to play.

Big game. Rams, Vikings, in Arizona, who do you think, who do you think is going to win? Vikings. Vikings. I think so, too, but I wouldn't be shocked if it goes the other way. This would be four shows and 48 hours for us. If you think about yesterday's show.

What about the kickoff show and the halftime show? So even more shows than that. And then while the all pH, L.O.I or the all pHLY, I'm sorry, the all NFL show on on All City. And then all three of us are appearing on Anthony's show. the two of us were on today, you're on tomorrow. So, man, we appreciate our loyal audience. We're all over YouTube right now.

How many shows is that since the Phillies last played? If I told you how many shows I've done since the Phillies last played and then beat myself up over not having enough articles. We have another show coming this week too. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. The premiere of the NFL Draft show with Fran Duffy, featuring a mock draft as we get to know.

all about this draft class. It's going to be very exciting because I know that you know, Sickos, that there's nobody better when it comes to draft talk than the Duff Man. Yeah. Debatable. I think it'll be fun, though. Looking forward to it. It's going to be a lot of fun.

Looking forward to that. Tonight, we're going to say 930. You know, if it's a super fast first half, maybe we'll bump it up a little bit, but we're going to plan to start that show around halftime of the game to talk about everything that's happening. We'll take you through like the third quarter, and then we're going to talk about it all after the game is over,

when we know exactly how things are going to set up for the Eagles. So we look forward to that. Please join us this evening for Julia. Zach and Fran, please subscribe, like the video, all that good stuff. We will talk to you tonight. And as always, we love you.