PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Fran Duffy’s NFL Draft Combine takeaways: Missouri’s Luther Burden makes an impression

Episode Date: March 4, 2025

Fran Duffy is back from his long week in Indianapolis, where he laid eyes on all of the draft’s top prospects. Who made a lasting impression and changed their projection? Missouri’s Luther Burden, Arkansas’ Landon Jackson, Georgia’s Jalon Walker, Missouri’s Armand Membou and South Carolina’s Nick Emmanwori were among those who moved the needle. Duffy runs through his major takeaways and answers your questions in the live chat. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody. I see a cartoon friend. I see a real friend. And I see a real life friend next to me. Welcome to the PHY draft show with Fran Duffy. I am Bo Wolf. And we are here to talk about the Combine. Fran, you're back.

What a week it was. What a week it was? Very productive. It was great. It was great to be able to see people in the media that don't get to see all that often, get to catch up with people around the league that I don't get to see. So it was great. It was a great week.

I mean, you are just all systems go. here you haven't even been home for a full 24 hours and you've already you got you're pulling double duty on here today how are you feeling how is the body holding up i i am i'm tired i'm feeling i'm feeling i'm feeling it uh i tried to get to sleep a little early last night i had to i had to watch severance because i've got severance on thursday night so julia we'll talk about that later you couldn't just let your any watch it no they couldn't let the any watch it i had it was i needed full reintegration there for to i'd be able to pull all that in but um so then i watched that and then I was like, I'm going to go to bed. So that was 10.30. I woke up like 5.30,

like too early this morning. And yeah, but no, it's good. A lot of still so much information to like download. It's such a busy week. Obviously there's the athletic testing portion. I prioritized last week the position workout notes, like getting all of that up on all onto the draft guide. So if you're a diehard, you can go and check all those notes out. Obviously, all the athletic testing numbers are in there, position by position. Are people, everybody at all say, you know, Jamie here with P.O.Y. But people, all across the network, did a great job of picking that, picking up the slack there. But then there's like all the interviews I did from the press conferences.

I have to transcribe all that stuff. And like, there's all the film to watch. I'm doing a mock draft this week. Big board next week. Oh, man. We've got a lot coming. I have no idea. I have no idea how to handle it.

But day by day. Maybe those interviews go towards the back of the, I think so. The transcripts. Those fill out the database as the months go on. That's like when I've, When I've got 20 minutes, I'll transcribe a couple of interviews. Okay, well, we've got a lot to get to. Yes.

We're going to try to keep this moving. This is exciting. This is our first time going live with the sickos in the chat. So this is your opportunity to ask draft questions to the PHLY draft expert, Mr. Fran Duffy himself. Let's start. We're going to do some combine takeaways, and we both have some players that we want to discuss. This is so hard because there's so many players. Right, right.

And as we talked about last week, there's balancing, you know, the, than not counting it twice, right? Like if a guy's supposed to test really well and test really well, okay, good, check the box. But it's the things that you didn't expect that you want to go back to the tape on. And so you want to start here with Nebraska defensive tackle, Ty Robinson, who is right now your 13th ranked defensive tackle. Ty Robinson from Nebraska,

what about his combine performance is worth discussing? Yeah, I mean, all of these guys that we're going to talk about, they're almost like avatars for, like a, and it's higher archetype of player. So Ty Robinson is the example of the player that I was a little bit down on the athleticism. I questioned what the, what the movement skills would look like.

Honestly, watched him in person at the senior bowl and wasn't that impressed down there in Mobile. I thought he struggled the first two days of practice and started to get some wins as the, as the week went on when you got to Thursday. But, you know, people that I talked to in Nebraska were like, no, like,

he's a really good athlete. Watch what he does at the combine. Watch what he does at the combine. I said, oh, like, we'll see, we'll see. He went out and he ran the,

he jumped, pretty well, had the great 40-yard dash time. And then honestly, what moved me was just watching him move through the position drills as well. You know, and that's something that you and I talked about before the trip and then when I was out there. One of the things that I love about the combine is being able, you know, look at the senior bowl, you get to still compare those guys side by side with their peers, right? So on the best players in the country. But at the end of the day, like, all right, they still have like, their football helmet's on. You still have like, oh, that's the defensive tackle from Nebraska going up against an offensive lineman from North.

North Dakota State, right? When they are out there in their tights, right? There's no, there's no jersey. It's the same. And it's rapid fire, bang, bang, bang, rapid succession. And you get to just watch all these guys do the same exact movements time and time and time again over and over and over. And just watching him go through a workout, I thought I was impressed.

And so like he is an example of a player where I was down on the athleticism coming in. He proved that he's a better athlete. And so now I think that that is going to tweak the grade a little bit for me because I have a better understanding of what that athletic up upside ultimately is. And this is a player who has a bit of a range of like late second to early fourth ish maybe late fourth. Yeah. I mean it's kind of probably probably more on the upper side of that now. Yeah. There were there was some definitely some round two buzz. I want to say like November, December. Okay. Got invited to the senior bowl like I mentioned and and people were like yeah, like this guy is a round two, round three type of player. Um, I didn't see that in mobile. I think now that

that that probably comes more to the forefront now. But you don't want to over. You don't want to go nuts. But again, it's also the idea of this is how, this is what the buzz was before. So for other people like that.

And that's why like to me the combine is all about expectation. Like my expectations were here. And now, okay, like that's if my, if my grade now or maybe, the athletic is the only question, if you're telling me he's athletic,

on top of everything else I saw or that on tape. Right. That is going to change the, that is going to change the lens a little bit. Are there any other players we're not going to get to who sort of are in this bucket who come to mind? Listen, you're very tired. I'm racking through some of the positions here. All right.

To a lesser, I would say to a lesser extent, but with bigger names. Yeah. Trey Amos, the corner from Ole Miss and Matthew Golden, the wider seat here for Texas. Both guys were guys that the only question I had was speed. And both guys knocked it out of the part. the Golden, certainly. Yeah, I mean, like a Golden, I thought was like a mid-4-4-4-8. You know, maybe he'll run like 4-4-8.

If he ran 4-4-4-4, that would be a win. I'd be like, oh, that's got to check the box. He goes 4-29. I did not see 4-29 at all. No one I talked to said like, oh, yeah, 4-29. Impressive. Trey Amos, I was like, if he goes 452, like that might be a win. Like, it's like people will still question the speed, but like, all right, you move on.

He goes 4-4-flat. And it's like, yeah, that's awesome. That's great. Check the box, move on. I had it in my first round mock draft when I did one in January. It's going to be tough when I do my mock draft tonight, tomorrow, whenever, that Trey almost won't be in there. Now, we talked about this on the PHLY Eagles show yesterday for people who didn't see it.

But what was the deal? Like, there was different turf this year. And so are you adjusting all of these times like a little bit up or down? I can't, no. You can't, right? Yeah, I can. Now, what's weird about it, though, is that it did feel like, I was thinking about it when after I got off with you guys.

it felt like the big men were the ones that were most affected by it. Okay. Because honestly, like we saw the mass that gets into the. Potentially, yeah. Like they, you know, like how much force is being put into the ground. Because honestly,

the, it was a record for running backs like in the 40 in terms of like the average 40 time. And like I forget what the number is, but it's like X amount of running backs that, you know, exceeding four or five in the 40. It was the same thing at wide receiver. It was like the most in a decade in terms of how many receivers,

uh, eclipse four or five. Again, I figure out the exact way. It was basically like a bunch of guys ran fast at running back, at receiver. You saw it a corner. We saw it at safety. So some guys had no problems with it, but others did. Okay.

I'm going to go over to mine now. And that is, I believe one of the guys who was the star of the combine. That was Armand Membue, the Missouri offensive tackle. I mean, just the footage of him running that 40. Yeah. I mean, fantastic to watch. That's what the combine's all about, right? But he runs a 491.

And obviously, that's not the reason. but he tests extremely well athletically across the board. He was already your tackle two coming in, but now it does feel like there is some buzz that he may actually be the first offensive linemen off the board. Yeah, he was a top 12 player for me coming into the week.

And yeah, he's gonna be up there for me coming out of it. Really impressive player. He actually, so both Lance Zirline and Dane Brugler have dropped new mock drafts in the last 48 hours. Both guys had him going to New England for overall ahead of Will Campbell. And is this simply because there's no doubt that he's a tackle? Or do you think that there are a good case that he's a better player than?

So people will put the film up against it. Yeah. People will obviously the arm length is an issue with Campbell. And that could affect how some teams view him and say like, oh, he has to be a guard. We'd rather have the pure tackle. But there are some that view Membo as a tackle or as a guard as well. Yeah. And so there's some position versatility there as well with them.

But I think when you're looking at Membu, really, really impressive. Just in terms of like the actual rookie contract scale, I feel like he maybe made as much money as anybody this week. I mean, that's, you know, again, it goes to like the expectations thing. I mean, yeah, you had them as a top 12 player. But even if you go from 10 to 4, like that's millions of dollars. Tens of millions of dollars. Yes, a thousand percent. It's a good point.

Yeah. Okay. Over to you. For me, my next one, I am going to go with, I'm going to actually all stay with another tiger. Let's go with Missouri's Luther Burden. Now, here's the interesting part with burden. And this is why it's to me, like, this is one of the big questions for me coming out of this week. Let's rewind.

Big time recruit coming out of high school. Yeah. All right. Rewind. Big time recruit coming out of high school. Steps on campus, productive, has a great sophomore season. I watched his tape last summer. He was wide receiver one for me coming into the year.

And I know other people that have gone through the felt the same way. Like, yeah, this guy is the best receiver in the class ahead of Tetzaroa McMillan, who also had a huge season last year. But this guy has got all kinds of juice. He's great with the ball in his hands. this season the production falls off. Wasn't the, the, the,

, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, thing for me, you're seeing Todd McSheh, he dropped him in his rankings, and he actually kind of hinted it, like, a recent show of his, um,

who, it's been great to have Todd McShay back in the space, but he, yeah, he's getting a highway to talk about having sex. Right. Yeah. Yes, in case you missed that interview.

And so, those people, uh, that's true. I know, it's true, but, some people will,

may not have seen that. I don't know what you're doing. But McShay kind of hinted at it. There might be some buyer beware there. Mel Kuiper dropped them out of a first round mock. Daniel Jarmaya dropped them out of a first round mock all recently. So there's smoke there. Yeah.

That feels like people are talking. Right. Now, I personally haven't heard anything. I've asked around to some people and they're like, yeah, like, I haven't heard anything. So I don't know. That's to me is like one of the big questions for me. Because then I watch them in person. Like, okay, like the testing was good.

It wasn't like otherworldly. but it was good. And the workout was really good. Didn't put a ball on the ground all night. I thought he had a good workout. And so when I look at Luther Burton, yeah, my question is, what are some of the things being said behind the scenes

that I'm missing at this point in the process? Yeah, I mean, what do you think it could be? I don't mean. That's the thing. The speculation is not worth it. Yes, but yeah. It's also a numbers game of like how many receivers are probably going to go in the first.

He's not going to drop out of like top five receivers, right? I doubt it. but usually that's a safe number for the first round. To me personally, I'm keeping him in my first round mock. I'm going to find a hard press to not have him in my mock draft this week. Okay. I want to use my next spot to just to gas you up a little bit. Because I feel like if I think of the two players from this draft class who you were out in front of,

like throughout the fall, even like doing your first mock draft, like I should have. You were higher on them than consensus. One is Gray's Able. Okay. Yeah. And the other is Nick Emuari. Yeah, that guy's a freak. Like he was your guy.

You were gassing him up all fall. And that was based off the tape, right? And then he comes into the combine and just absolutely blows it out of the water. 438, 43 inch vertical jump, 116 broad jump. Like one of the just ridiculous performances of the week. He's your safety too. I just want to use that to gas you up. I mean, you know what you're watching.

Well, here's the thing is that when I, watched him and he was look he was he was he was on bruce feldman's freak list coming in he was i pretty sure he's like number five on that list for bruce so like there there are there are athletic scores out there there they're said like okay like this guy's gonna be a good athlete um but you watch it on tape and you're like this guy i mean he's so gifted uh and the plays that he makes are was you know but his film was really impressive this season so he was already extremely high on my board he's a he's a top 20 player for me top 15 player for me i believe malachi starks from georgia is right there with them uh their tags would be touching on the proverbial board and i think when you stuck so had a very

weird week, right? I mean, he's a guy that was the classic, like didn't test great, but all when his on field speed stuff. Yeah. Weird. I'm fine. Like,

I'm still good. Dane Bruehler actually made a good point recently too, where he said, like, if you, if you like Malachi Stargs going in, your point, you're sitting there and your point of the GPS. Like,

that's why I like him and that's, I fall into that bucket. But yeah, for me, like Eminem Wari, it's a good case of him not going to count it twice. He's not moving up my board because I was already, like it was already baked in for me. But you baked in him being this special of an athlete?

Yeah, he's, he's amazing. He's outstanding. I mean, so like the, the comp that I had, I was a little bit conservative, and I had it as Kyle Dugger. Kyle Dugger, when he came out of Lenore Rine, tested like, tested like a maniac. He was out.

But everything he showed was at Lenore. He was a D2 school. And Montmore, he's doing this in the SEC, was one of the top defensive players of the year in that conference. So I'm like, all right, well, that's at least a round one not a discount but an uptick there. So yeah, he's going to be a first round pick.

I feel pretty good about that as we sit here today. No doubt about it. Yeah. I think he's got the friend Duffy stamp of approval. I hope he thanks you when he's drafted. I don't think that that will happen. I mean, I hope he does. It could pop for us. Potentially. I'll go to my next SEC player. And then get your questions in. Yes. Send your question

we'll answer towards the end here. So we got Lannon Jackson from Arkansas. Somebody in the chat already says this is another friend staple. Yeah, so he was high for me coming into the week. He was my number three edge going into the combine. Again, don't imagine that that's going to drop off too much here. I just, I think the film is really good.

This is a guy that plays with a lot of urgency. He's strong in the run game. He uses his length well. The production wasn't always there, especially this season, but this is a guy that has some position versatility along the front. And he was also, he was another like Bruce Feldman's freest list guy, but a lot of the numbers were like the jumps that he predicted were going to be good. But the, it was some of the other things where it was like, oh, you know, like what he does in the weight room, like, like force plate stuff, not anything that gets measured at the combine.

And so I was just, okay, like, what are the shuttles going to potentially look like, you know, because there's questions, especially when you have a longer limbed pass rusher, what is he going to look like turning the corner? I'm going to be honest. When I watched him go through like the run the hoop drill, which is my favorite drill for the for the pass rushers, I thought he looked pretty good doing it. You know, this was a guy that I thought had a good workout overall. It was a lot of A's. We talked about my process last week on the show. A's next to his name. As I went back through the notes,

I thought Landon Jackson had a really good workout. How did they, how did it go this year with the, did you make any adjustments? It was no, I was better than ever. Yeah, I felt very good about it.

I didn't miss one rep the entire week. It didn't miss one rep the entire week. Not one rep. I got, I got, that's insane. It's out of in the, in the workspace.

My, my binder's out there. So, I feel like we should, I feel like we should take a pause. So you can go get the binder. No, I mean,

people. Actually, I tweeted out a video. And I basically said like, all right, once I got all the last workout notes into the draft guide, I like thumbed through it real fast so you can see all the notes and said like, all these notes are all in the draft guide and go check it out. Good stuff. There you go.

Very nice. All right. Let's have this conversation. Okay. That it feels like after the week in Indianapolis, everybody is sort of hinting at and talking around it in different ways. I have up here, Tyler Shuck, the Louisville quarterback. Yep.

We're also going to talk about Shador Sanders from Colorado. And right or wrong, believe it or not, all the whispers are like, man, Shadur Sanders might not even be a first round. Right. That is correct. And, you know, I heard Tyler Shuck might be the second quarterback off the board. Some people say Jackson Dart as well. Right.

Like, what's going on here? So I answered a question on the Discord earlier today. Let me see if I'm pull it up real quick. But become a diehard so you can ask questions directly in the Discord. So this was about, it was about Jackson Dart. And it was, is there a chance that he, I've heard that he could vie for QB2? Are you buying the round one hype? And I said, I'm not buying the round one hype.

I do think that there would, there could be a chance that he's QB2. Yeah. That's my way. And honestly, I went on the DNVR Bronco show yesterday. and Zach Stevens asked me the same thing. He said, friend, like there was buzz about Jackson Dart sneaking into round one that he's thinking of a way of like getting ahead of the Broncos that bumps another player down the board, right?

Obviously, they feel good about Bo Nix. But, and I said, honestly, I think there's more of a chance of only one quarterback going ahead of the Broncos as opposed to three quarterbacks going ahead of the Broncos. Yeah. The thing about the combine, okay, is that everybody's talking. Yeah. It can become a bit of an echo. chamber. So you want to caution yourself against that.

The general feedback has been pretty mixed on on Shador Sanders and how like interviews have gone. But again, sometimes that's put out there purposely. Sometimes that is truth. You know what I mean? And so it's just it's tough to kind of to weed through it.

But there are definitely some people that have had conversations with them in the league and it didn't go well. And again, this is not like, I'm not rubber stamping this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't evaluated the player as well as you have. But we know what football buildings can be like. And there's a lot of, you know, if you're not going to be a head down soldier who follows all kinds of directions, we don't want you.

Now, the calculus becomes if you're going to be a self-promoter or sort of the star of the show, you've got to be worth it on the field. Yep. And the disconnect that you hear is that people just don't think he's that special on tape. Right. So that's ultimately what it comes down to. What they view as a headache. It bothers me a little bit. It's the complete opposite personality.

It reminds me a little bit of the Lamar Jackson conversation from when he came out. Right. And it was just like, oh, that guy's just a bump on the log. Like, you can't lead a room. Right. And he goes, that's why he goes to 32. And then it becomes a two-time MVP. I don't think that Cheder is that kind of player.

but there can be like an overvaluing of the personality, especially at that position. There's another case that I was thinking of this morning. Two years ago, Aaron Rogers got traded for essentially two first round picks, the one could become a second, or was it two seconds, one could become a first, whatever it was. But he got traded for two. And it was like, okay, well, we believe that he's,

I mean, he's two years removed from playing MVP quality football. He is worth the potential headache of what he had, from a personality standpoint, and everything that he brings off the field, fast forward, 48 months, not going to be the case. Like,

if he were on the trade market, he would not be getting that kind of haul for it. And I just think that, again, it goes to what you said. There's levels to everything. It's a sliding scale. And so when you look at Shador Sanders,

the first time we did the show, we asked about the quarterbacks. And I said, yeah, like, he doesn't have great traits. He's not, he's not even an average athlete.

I get why he didn't work out at the combine, not just from an athlete. but even like throwing because he would have been throwing with cam ward Tyler shuck jalen milrow all these guys like have have better arms than shoulder so like i think it would have been noticeable to see like that you know that difference there his game is when he when he's playing on time his accuracy his anticipation like those are those are all quality things but he does not have great traits and then you take the film i think he developed bad habits this year because he has faced a ton of pressure over the course of the of his career

especially over the last two years, his navigation of the pocket, his ability to handle pressure and make place from inside confined spaces is not good. And it got progressively worse as the, as the year went on. And so, um, so the film is just okay. The traits aren't great. So if the interviews aren't great, like that's, it just makes it, it's a very tough needle to thread to try and find who are the teams that will be willing to, you know, to make that call. Um, you know, I, I, I want to say, I forget which podcast I was listening to and which insider this was that made this point, but it started linking the Raiders with Shador Sanders.

Okay. At six overall. I was like, that's the, because that would have, that had become like the popular landing spot and a lot of reputable mock drafts. And so only the point was like, look,

Tom, because Tom Brady and Shador Sanders have a prior relationship. Okay. Mark Davis and Shador Sanders and Deion Sanders have a prior relationship. You know, Dion said to Antonio Pierce, at some event, like, back in, like, December or January, like, I want you guys to draft them. Like, there's definitely, like, connection there. But someone made the point about Tom Brady was, like, Tom Brady is not, like, because he's the one

essentially, like, saying, like, he's putting a stamp on quarterback. Tom Brady's not a sentimental, like, oh, I'm going to, I want to draft a guy because, like, I know him. That's not like Tom, that's not, Tom Brady's, Tom, that's not his MO. Yeah, I mean, he chooses football over his family, alone and his friends. It's very good point. You know what I mean? So like,

that's what it's talking with people. It's, it's where is Shador Sanders going to follow? It's one of the big questions coming out of the combine. Yeah. It's not a foregone conclusion that he's, we're not talking like top 10, like a first round pick.

But look, a year ago at this time, I remember, I might even texted you. I was like, I don't know, a lot of the buzzes that Chicago might take Jaden Daniels and not take Caleb Williams.

Yeah. You know, like obviously they took Caleb Williams. Every year there are things. that come out of it where you're like, oh, like, I don't know. And then those things end up not being true. So it could be possible that things flip the other way. You could even play conspiracy theorist and think that it's part of something of like Dion's

camp trying to get him to a specific spot. Like that, you know, you can go tinfoil hat on that. Yeah. But the bottom line is that that talk is out there. Yes, that is absolutely out there. And it's, it's going to be up to every, I mean, honestly, everyone to figure out what And what do you do with that? And fall on Shuck versus Jackson Dart?

I think Shuck's film is, honestly, like, you would say in terms of just purely playing the quarterback position, he would say Shuck is the cleanest of the group, of the entire group. Like, I, Cam Ward is QB1 for me. It was, you know, very, very early on watching the season. But then I think after that, you start getting into, all right, like, who's got the second best tape? And I would say, like, it's, like, it's probably should be shocked.

I'm not a big Jackson Dart guy personally. All right. We appreciate the super chat from Maddeo who was giving us a friend. Fran. Fran. Fran. Thank you.

Thank you. I think we can answer a couple of these other questions as well for the sickos who were here. Scott says, Hey, Fran, players like Shamar Stewart and Walter Nolan seem to have very wide draft windows. Doesn't this help the Eagles

and a player possibly falling to them? Yeah. And look, I think this is going to be a class where there's a bunch of ways you can look at it. right we've talked about the the scarcity at the top of like the true blue chip talent so how that plays out on draft weekend there are there are a lot of different things here talking with people over the course of the week it felt like because you know i'm trying to gauge like all right like what do you

think this team will do what do you think that team will do so much of it was oh like i think they'd love to trade down or i think we that this team or i think we would love to trade down it's like okay if everybody wants to trade down you need somebody to move up when you have that huge clump of players where it starts at, you know, we'll say seven, and everybody from seven to 30, there's not a huge difference there. It could be a, I'll call it like a Nolan Smith type of situation where someone that you have graded very highly on your board starts falling down. A Cooper DeGine who you graded the same as Quignan Mitchell starts falling down and you're kind of looking around like, all right, we got to make a move up for this guy or we're going to be

able to get this player at our spot. We did not think in a million years. You know, everyone kind of points and laughs when you hear all 32 teams say, that in their post-draft press conferences. But I will say, like, that's often true more often than not, because every team's board is going to look a lot different. You know, so it's going to be, I think it could lead to those kind of, you know, sleeper type selections where you sit at 32. And if, uh, if you have Walter Nolan really, really high, maybe the other teams don't and you're able to get a player that you created highly than the rest of the league. I think if you're the Eagles also like, Shadur making it to 32 is potentially helpful. You mentioned the Lamar thing.

I mean, that's what happened last time they were in that spot. That's, that's what a team. That is the specific position where a team would want to get into the first round for that fifth year option. Another question from King Dami. What do you take of the rumors of off-field issues for Mike Green and James Pierce, Jr.? Green has at least spoken on his while JPJ's sounds a bit more ambiguous. Yeah, that's the thing. It's not a rumor with Mike Green Jr. It is like an official, you know, and I don't want to get into like exact like terminologies there.

but yeah I mean he spoke about it at the combine because it is it is a thing now he is for what I understand like he claimed that all of it was was not true and he's innocent so like yeah that's where like it gets it gets hairy in terms of talking about it but um yeah it's something that teams are going definitely kind of weed through I mean for you you don't have a like you know you don't have a staff of people who can investigate these things right get to the bottom of these things how do you how do you weigh these things in your evaluation some people some people in my role choose not to weigh it I have to I like I just have to weigh it.

I just do whatever work I can and talk to people that I trust that have done the work and just say like, okay, like, is there something there or is it not? And I just kind of act accordingly that way. So sometimes, and look, I'm not going to be someone that is going to put all of that stuff out there that you hear, but I'll just have it reflect in the way I grade players. The same thing with like James Pierce Jr. Like you won't go to the draft guide and say like, you know, there have been analysts in the past that will say like, scouts say this, you know, from a negative standpoint.

I won't do that because, you know, honestly, it's like a tear say. But if it's from people that I trust, I will incorporate that into the way that I view a player. Yes. Okay. T. Dutton says, with the Eagles history of drafting athletes with special tools in their body from smaller schools, specifically Toledo and Houston Christian, this is interesting because this is a relatively recent thing. This is for a long time they weren't doing this. And I'm not so sure that they will.

Again, however, the question is, were there any small school prospects who stood out at the combine. Zabel. Zabel was awesome on Sunday. Yeah, boy. From North Dakota State, offensive lineman, played tackle, has played guard. A lot of people view him as a center moving into the NFL. A lot of people say he's the top center in this class. So, but he's got guard flexibility. I know that Lance Zerline had him going 32nd overall in the mock draft.

He dropped yesterday. The Eagles trading out of that spot. But I think, I think Zabel goes higher than that. I think that you're probably looking like early to mid-20s would be my guess for Zabble. in terms of other small school players really quickly. The thing is, I actually had somebody respond to a tweet that I put out about the ranking. So like on all PHOI, like on social media last week,

I posted my top 10s at each position. And people were very up in arms about some of the rankings like on that list. And that means you're making waves. Well, it was, I was like, look, people, here's my tip. First of all, to me, the ranking is not as important as, like, like the report, right? Like, of course. I'd much rather go read the report and that's how I project the player.

But every spring, starting like as soon as the season ended, and honestly, it happens in like October. Oh, what if we redrafted the 2024 draft? Those rankings are going to look a lot different than we're there. So like people get so up in arms, any time that a set of rankings doesn't look like the consensus. The consensus. It's been a pet people.

That's what makes some consensus. Correct. Uh, looking at, oh, so that someone, so when I said that. What were people most angry about? Shemar Stewart being low was one. I'm trying to think there were a few others that people pointed to like. Jalen Walker.

Yeah, that was one. We will get to it. Yeah, we'll get to that one. Colston Loveland being a tight end three was one. Yeah, there were a few others. But so when I basically like responded to that, someone said, oh, well, you can't be thinking that far outside the boxers. There's not a lot of small school players in this list.

And I was like, well, it was like a record low in FCS players invited to the combine. of record low players, not a record low, but a very low number going to the senior bowl. There's not a lot of small school players in this draft because a lot of those guys are transferring up. Yeah. You know, like going back for like extra years and stuff. So you're kind of seeing that play out.

To answer your question in terms of other small school guys, I'm just like buzzing through my notes real quick. I mean, would you count, would you count Harold Fanon Jr. from group of five for you a bowling green? I thought his position workout was fine. I know some of the testing scores were a little disappointing, but I mean, I don't know. I thought the position workout was pretty good. That would probably be it for me in terms of the small school guys.

All right. Let's talk about Jill and Walker. Yes. That's a yeah. He was on my list. He mentioned him. He's on your list. What do you want to pass along about?

Dylan Walker, the guy who we're still trying to figure out what he is. That's exactly it. We talked about it so much leading up. And he didn't do anything to change that. Here's what's interesting, though. A lot of guys didn't test. That was a big theme this week.

But a lot of the guys that didn't. didn't test were players that participated in the college football playoff and the elongated college football playoff. We didn't see a lot of the Ohio State guys, a lot of the Notre Dame guys, Georgia, Texas, a lot of those players did not test. We talked about Labor Day to President's Day here on the, on the PHI Eagles show. I wonder if we will reach a point where, look, because I know a lot of people in the college football space are not happy with how late the playoffs went and how like late the championship game happened. They didn't like that it happened on like a Monday night like a like a couple weeks

after I think so like does that get bumped back if the college if college football gets that straightened out or if they're going to say like no we're going to keep it in this date does the NFL affected the change their calendar to try and get more guys to be able to work out because the senior ball had it happened too the senior ball had a bunch of guys drop out because because of how long the playoff went. Why is it now? Is it now because then then you've got all the pro day circuits like that's that's the other part of it. It's tough.

We could move the draft back, but they're not going to do that. Yeah, I don't think they're going to do that. They tried that. I think it's very funny that people are complaining that it was on a Monday night.

Like, it's so cranky. Well, that was a, like a lot of college football people are not happy that they, there's like, oh, that should be the premier game.

Like, why would you put it on a Saturday night? I should be a Sunday night. But they didn't want to go head to head with NFL playoffs. Yeah. Essentially what, you know,

what that decision is about. So, but it's more like that there's a, there's a, there's a lot of time that passes from, you think about like, well, the first bowl game happens first week of December. Yeah. That game happened middle of January. So if you were a player from, you know, Oklahoma, like you're a big prospect

from Oklahoma, you had a six-week jump, an eight-week jump on preparation for the senior bowl, for the combine that these guys for the playoff got. And so you look, if the calendar stays that way, and they're talking about playoff expansions, that might add another game. Yeah, I don't see any reason why they couldn't start the playoff sooner. Yes. I think that's ultimately where they need to get to. They need to get to where it's like maybe there's a one buy week

to give teams like that agenda and then you're getting into the playoff fast. That makes more sense. Yeah. Okay. So as for Jalen Walker. Jalen Walker didn't do it. I think we're still in that waiting mode of like, all right, like he still hasn't tested. You know, we saw the measurements come in.

Now it's just a matter of like what does that testing look like? So I think we're in a holding pattern there. This would not be the case in an actual NFL front office because you have so many people. Right. Right. Right. But I do wonder, like with a guy like Jalen Walker, if you're just like, I don't know what he is. If it comes to ranking him on a board, I'm not going to take him over someone who I have a specific plan for.

You know, like if you think about it from the macro perspective of the decision making process, right? Like unless there's somebody, whether it's a position coach or a high ranking person in the front office, like standing on the table for this guy is, you know, an elite edge rusher or this guy can be a star in the middle of our defense. Yeah. You're probably are like, well, I know, there's a, there's a guessing game here, whereas I can, I know that I can plug this guy in and he can, you can start on the outside of corner for, for me day one. Yeah.

And that's honestly, it's the, you know, it's like risk aversion, you know. It's just about like, what is the plan for this player? It's the positionless player thing. Yeah. You know, it's the, so it's the, it's not just like, oh, like, this guy can do a little bit all everything. We've seen Nick Amonwari, I know what the plan is for Nick Aminwar. He could do a bunch of different things.

He can match up against tight ends. He can line up in the box. He can play too high. He can play one high. He could do all of these different things. People have made the comparison to Jeremy Chinn because Jeremy Chinn tested this way out of southern Illinois. When you watched Jeremy Chin though, it was like, oh, like, I think he can do this. I like him coming down into the box, but I don't know if he can match up with tight ends.

There wasn't something that we necessarily saw all the time in Southern Illinois or, you know, playing deep. And playing the deep part of the field, that's going to be a big projection. I don't know if he's got, I know he tested that way, but the athleticism on film doesn't always show that kind of player. You probably want to keep him close to the box. In Man Worry, not an issue. When I look at Jalen Walker, I say, okay, like, I know he's been asked to do these things in college, but I don't know that he reads things well enough as a stacked player. I don't know that he's big enough, strong enough to hold up at the point of attack as every down defense event.

I don't know that he's quite athletic enough right off the ball to be a consistent speed threat as a pass rusher. So there's all these questions about all the different roles that he can wear. Like what is what is he going to be able to do consistently? Yeah, and it's the difference between like, you know, on the outside, you can rank a player or you can do a shadow draft or whatever it is. And then you just get the results of how they turn out. If you're the team drafting them, you got to put in the work and actually develop the player and figure out what the plan is.

Like it is a little bit more difficult. But that also is a reason that teams might miss on a guy because they're lazy. is not the right word, but like they don't want to put in that work. It would be much easier to just take a plug and play guy and not have to worry about. Yeah, that's why you have to be in concert with your coaching staff. Like the coach, the coaches have to be completely on board with like this is the plan. But that's not the case with everybody.

We hear the cases all the time where they, oh, like the front office drafted this player because the coaches said they had a plan for him, but then it's not executed. Davion Taylor comes to mind. I was thinking Hassan Reddick in Arizona comes to mind too. All right. Let's talk tight ends. Okay. Because you've got a tight end on there.

I've got a couple tight ends on there. Now, Mason Taylor felt like he was like the star of the broadcast. Yeah. I thought he was pretty good. I thought so too. Yeah, it was a good workout. Now, you were a little bit lower on him than consensus. Yep.

It's a very deep class. Yep. Will you bump him up a little bit? Yeah. He's a player, you've done a lot of work on. He'll probably get bumped a little bit. Because just I thought the athleticism was a little bit better than what I was anticipating.

My big thing is that he was still a little bit of a work in progress as a blocker. Like, yeah, I think a lot of people think, oh, he's Jason Taylor's son. He's, you know, he's got all these like, a single drop. Yeah. And just like from a toughness standpoint, like, oh, like he's going to be really good at the point of that. He's not a, he's not a great blocker. Okay. We talked last week about how that can be a little bit crazy, a little bit wonky with tight end.

Just show me a willingness. Yes. He's 6.6.250, as we see on the screen here, outstanding graphic from Julia. but when you're looking at at Mason Taylor, I felt better about him walking away from the stadium from Lucasoil Stadium on Friday, Friday. Friday? Yeah, I think it was Friday. Whatever day it was when I watched the tight ends.

No, no, it was Saturday. I'm not going to be any help to you on Facebook week either. No, it was Friday. Yeah, because it was with the safeties. It was after the safeties. Yeah, so Friday. Thursday. Definitely not Thursday because that was that was Front Seven.

Sunday. Yeah. Could have been Sunday. But Mason Taylor, I felt better walking away from the stadium. than I did going in. Okay. Now what about Texas text?

Jalen Conyers was interesting to you. He was a guy that I had not, I did not get to Conyers. I actually still haven't done like a deep, a full deep dive on him yet. But I didn't watch him at all before the Shrine Bowl, went down the Shrine Bowl, literally like first 10 minutes of practice.

I'm like, who is this kid? He looks at like, he looks, he was just say he looked different. That's what you're chasing, man. That's what it's all about. I was like, if somebody catches your eye like, ooh. Yeah.

I was familiar with your game. I was smitten from the jump. You can see 6.3, and he's on the bigger side of 6.3, too. I want to say he's just under 6.4. 260. Like, he's a bigger kid. Graceful athlete, really just like, I don't want to say automatic at the catch point, but really smooth and natural catching the football.

And I thought he had a really good week of practice. A number of really impressive routes. A number of really good catches. So I'm like, okay, like, this is a guy that I'm going to be able to watch. It probably won't be told after the combine, but I'm going to earmark this for later. And then I go to the combine, and he tested well. and the workout was awesome.

Like he just crushed every drill. I think he caught every ball. I don't think he put one on the ground. Didn't find out until afterwards. He's an All-City alum. He was a big P.HNX their Sunday, because he was at Arizona State before. Oh.

So he did like a lot of stuff with PHNX. How about that? It was a little All-City love there for Jalen Conyers. No, no, you recognized him right away. Well, to me, like the film or the seeing him live twice now, I was really impressed. He looks at 6th, at 260 pounds, like there's inline potential there. I want to get a better sense of him as a blocker.

When I get that, when I get that sense, that's going to determine, like, where is he in that stack, in that ranking? Okay. My last one here is, you know, we talked about chasing that feeling and just you see a little something and you fall for somebody quickly. This is a sort of a stand-in for, are there guys who you watched workout and made you excited to, to, do them, as it were, if you haven't done them yet. For me, this is Joshua Simon, the South Carolina Tide. Just watching the broadcasts. I'm just watching him move. I'm watching him do the gauntlet drill. I like this guy.

Now, you know, you didn't know all the war. I didn't know everything. He's going to be 25 this fall. But you have to admit, for a South Carolina tight end, that's actually pretty young. He's on the younger end of the, what was the guy's name? Hayden Hurst. Yeah, he's on the younger end of the Hayden. her scale. Yeah, I thought he had a good workout. He was a guy, he was another one at the shrine.

And I thought of you, you know, in this tight end class, you didn't feel the same way I felt. I don't know. I thought he had a solid workout. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I thought he had a solid workout. This is just a, it's a tough group to be able to crack. Like, you know, to your point, like in a different year, we're probably talking

about them as like a top six or seven tight end. It'll be tough for him to get like even like into the top 10 this year just based off of this class. Sure. But probably a good, a testament to, you know, if you need a tight end in the room, it's good of you to need one. I like that. Is there anybody else for you who you saw on the field?

Okay. We're like, ooh, I got to watch this guy. Actually, yeah, give me one second. I'll pull up my, so I have a thread on, on X, Twitter, whatever, of the players that stood out most in each positional workout. So position by position. So I'll just go through that real quick. And who are the guys that I had not watched?

I'm impressed. I mean, you weren't, you didn't miss. a rep. You're tweeting out of storm. You're doing these YouTube shorts. I mean, you're all over the place. It was a long week. All right. So all the D-Lymmet, the D-Tackles I watched.

And then you get back and you call into the PHLY Eagles show. I had to. I mean, come. I got in early and I immediately texted Julia and I was like, I didn't know the venue was going to be on the show. And I was like, oh, like, maybe I'll surprise the guys. I'll jump on at the end of the show. Because I knew I was going to be home early. Yeah. Because I was initially supposed to land at 1.30,

but you know those, those, uh, those flights from Indy, you get that headwind coming from the, from the west. And you got, tell me.

Yeah, it's, you get that call. And so actually, I had a major issue on the flight. Okay. So it's an, it's an 80 minute flight from Indy to Philly to,

because you get that, again, the headwind. Um, 11 o'clock flight. So it's not like early morning. It's not a late night flight. We just got,

I just got my laptop out after takeoff. I'm setting up. I'm sitting up. I'm sitting. I'm sitting. I'm sitting there and I'm going through transcriptions. The guy in front of me. Oh, no.

Jacks his seat all the way back so violently, makes his loud bang on the laptop. No, no, no, no turn, no apology, nothing. And he didn't have headphones in or anything. So look, it was a long week. I went full two-hand shove. Did you really? The lady next to me, like gave it like a, like,

I went full two-hand shove. No. And then he looked back. And I was like, are you, kidding me? And he just like sat the set up, sat the seat up. No no acknowledgement, no words. But then he didn't put it back again. No.

Wow. It was, it was, it was, it was bad. I can't believe you would do that to the Secretary of State. I can't, I can't deny that that was the case. Wow. Two-hand show. So it was, yeah, it was well deserved. Wow. Well deserved.

Wow. The chat is very much in your defense. It was bad. That's tough. Hmm. Like I haven't watched. I mean, listen, this is well-worn territory that. Anybody who leans their seat back on an airplane should be kicked off the airplane, frankly. I agree.

Shamir Deek from Florida, wide receiver, tested really well. He had a solid week of the senior ball. I haven't gotten to his film yet. He would be one player that comes to mind there. Rock Taylor from Memphis, another wide receiver from the second group. Great name, obviously. Yeah, outstanding name. He was a guy.

had a really good positional workout, so I'm excited to get to his film. Offensive line-wise, Torselli Simpkins. When I tweeted it out, there were a bunch of people that said, like, oh, Future Eagle with like a, just, I mean, Torchellie, Torcellian, very Italian first name. So it sounds like a future Bo-Wolf impression coming up, coming for him. But those be some of the names that stand out. Oregon State, offensive line, the center, Joshua Gray. I thought he had a solid workout as well.

So there were a handful of guys. Okay. Good stuff. We look forward to checking it all out on the draft guy. Yes. Super chat from Real Time with Prince Blue, who was asking you to give a Zach Berman scouting report. Oh.

I'll let you pick the position. I would say great natural leverage. Okay. Yeah. What position are we talking about, though? Where are we going to peg him? I think he's a defensive tackle. Okay.

All right. So he's a regular. What was the, wake the wake defense tackle to the giants uh not boo robinson no oh oh nikita whitlock yeah yeah yeah it's nikita whitlock yeah um natural leverage for sure bulldog mentality uh always giving a hundred 10 percent effort great motor um scouts rave or coaches rave about them yeah uh the uh the lack of length could be an issue at times um um um The wayroom is,

he's a try hard guy, but they do worry about his habits. Yes. The coaches are constantly getting on him for his sleep habits and make sure that he's ready to go for practice every day. But getting 100% effort, for sure. No doubt about it. Okay. We had somebody in the chat asking about the Rutgers prospects.

Do you have any thoughts on the Rutgers prospects in this draft? A number of defensive players referenced Kyle Minangai Kevin Menong guy Former Eagle Okay so wait Kevin is the eagle Kevin is the eagle so Kyle man is the new guy Kyle is the running back

There's been like a three or four year starter there Reference to him as the toughest player that they face this year I don't know so there's that Let's see Tyrene Powell is a big linebacker Didn't test But I mean I actually kind of like his film

I do think that he projects to the NFL Robert Longer Beam Corner tested very well He ran well jumped well He felt the workout was solid He was down at the Shrine Bowl He looks at the part Better than Ryan Long Beam

Not as good as Ryan Longest Beam Correct I think that's a great way to summarize His scouting report Question about The local prospects This is not Zach That's not Zach

This is Larry's barbecue Who's asking but I mean Zach has talked to us about some of these guys but who of the of the locals I kind of want to let me look at the list of locals just so I don't forget anybody just text Zach I know that's what uh well if you didn't he just send us one didn't he just send us something with it yes he did here you go oh yeah he did all right uh abdul carter started at top obviously obviously did not test my sense though is that the injury teams are obviously they got to sort through it but I don't think that that's going to cause any kind of big drop there

Donovan Ezakou, by the way, had a listener reach out. Yeah. A relative, so he's, I think it was that he worked with Donovan's aunt. Okay. And asked her, listen to the show last week, checked with her about the pronunciation. Yes. I said the media guide was wrong, which is not the first time. Crazy that this happens.

Donovan Ezoraku. So, which is much easier to say, by the way. Donovan Azaraku. too. Yeah, solid field drills, but like the, I don't, it didn't go through the full battery of, of tests. So we'll wait there. Jihad Campbell was really good. I really enjoyed his position workout, tested overall fine. I mean, you're talking about like 245 pound linebacker. The thing that's notable there, he stayed afterwards and did. So like a lot of the linebackers, you know, they'll go through pass rush drills as part of their normal allotment of position drills. He stayed and

did all of the D-line drills afterwards. And so, and he looked really, really good doing them. That was after the broadcast ended on Thursday night. I remember that was Thursday night. So Jihad Campbell was the last guy on the field. I thought that he had a good workout. Fidel did. Question from Lamberoo, if they were both on the board,

Jihad Campbell or Jailin Walker, who would you take? Jihad Campbell. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I feel really good about him playing. I mean, he still is not like super clean with how he reads things. Like, he's still kind of developing there, but I still feel better about him.

playing off ball as opposed to Walker personally. Fidel Diggs, Syracuse, transfer from Texas A&M. Really explosive straight-line athlete, captain this past year as a senior for Syracuse, transferred from Texas A&M. I think that you see some of the limitations as a pass rusher. It's like a, it's similar to a Shamar Stewart type of situation where the traits are there.

He's like a day three version of Shamar Stewart, where the traits are all there, but just not a polished or refined rusher. whatsoever right now. But he tested pretty well. Miles Frazier from LSU. I forgot that he's a local kid too. I really like Frazier on film. I think he's a starter was one of my favorite players to watch on that LSU line. I would say probably my second favorite behind Will Campbell. That's not his environment though is the combine like you know seeing him go through things like he's a step below everybody else from an athleticism standpoint. But again, you don't knock him twice or on it because I wasn't expecting him to look all that great. Will Howard from Ohio State. Okay. So during the quarterback wide receiver workouts, I am laser focused on the receivers because I've kind of learned I've learned you can't watch everything or because then you miss everything. You miss stuff. So I always see a little. Yeah. See a lot. So in my previous position, I would just say like, all right, I'll watch the quarterbacks on tape later. I don't have access to all the combine tape now. So I can go back if I wanted to watch like the broadcast. But basically the way I was going to handle it this year was all right, I'm going to focus on the receivers. Just watch the receivers during the workout. And I will then talk to four, five, six, whoever, however many opinions I can get of people that are on the field watching the quarterback specifically. And so I did that. Pretty much consensus was Will Howard had the worst workout of all the quarterbacks there.

And some of that you could see, like I could see as I was watching because as you get to the deeper throws, I have a little bit more time to be able to get my eyes back. All right, who's the quarterback stepping up? And Howard had a bunch of really bad misses. Now, they started bringing fans into the combine a few, like a few years back. And obviously it's the middle Indianapolis, so it's big 10 country. And so it's typically like, you know, when Indiana and Purdue players come in, you say it's a lot, you hear cheer cheering. And then, you know, depending on the player and the night and the week and the year,

some guys get more booze than others. Oh. Will Howard was getting like, like booze galore. Every time he stepped up for a rep. Almost like honestly personally for me, like inappropriate in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. I get it.

Like they used to be the, the, the, the, fans had to be quiet the entire time. It was like the first year or two, and they were all in the upper decks. Then they recently, a few years ago, moved them all into the lower bowl. There's money to be made. Yeah. And they're told to be quiet during the 40. But then during the drills, you can do whatever you want.

It's kind of weird, personally. But are you sure they weren't booing you? I'm pretty sure because it only happened when Will Howard stepped up the throw. That's very funny. Yeah, so he was just getting me. I mean, he's going to get booed in the NFL. Exactly. Exactly. And there's, I'm sure that there are scouts and coaches that are like, oh, like he was getting booed and he was not good. Like, so what does that mean? You know what I mean? But yeah, he did he did not have a great, he did not have a great workout. Kyle McCord did have a pretty good workout. Talking with people that were focused in on him was one of it wasn't one of the two or three best workouts from the group. But the better than expected was something I got from two or three different people that I talked to. And then Elijah Clark from Syracuse. Also, it was a solid workout for him. I thought they, he, he, he, he was.

He worked with the, he's a safety. He, uh, I, you know, I don't have the, all the exact notes from him. You can go and check it out in the draft guide, but I thought that Elijah Carr looks solid in the position work. All right. There you go. All the local guys. Scott asks, are there a few players who you feel fit the Eagles draft and develop mantra? A player who may just need a little bit of coaching to be elite.

I mean, listen, you're, you're 32. That's a difficult thing to find. I don't, and I actually, you know, let, let's, you know, let's, he's going to go earlier than that, but that sounds like a Shamar Stewart profile, right? A guy who needs to get polished but has all the Haber Roseman tools in his body.

But I actually, I think we might be overstating that that's a thing that the Eagles chase. I don't really think that they are tools over production to some major degree. I don't think that's the case early in the draft. I do think when you get to day three

that that is a theme. you know that that's something we've heard Howie Roseman say publicly is I also think it's position dependent I yes I do agree with that like I think I think offensive line for sure yeah you know you're looking for the

the outliers as Jeff Stoutland says I don't know that that's always the case across the board but I think I do think Howie's you're right on on day three howie Roseman will say we are always looking for starters right we are we are chasing upside

with those picks. We are not just trying to draft a special teams player. When they get to undrafted free agency, that's where you see the T.J. Edwards, this guy ran a 4-8 or the Reed Blanketship. This guy didn't test great, and they'll come in and they'll prioritize those players. But typically, when they get it to day three of the draft,

that's the get, they're taking swings there typically. Right. But yeah, I do agree that that probably gets overblown a little bit for early in the draft. I think so. Now, if we think about, last year was different because you have Quinnian Mitchell, you have J.L.X. Hunt,

as was referenced earlier. But if we're thinking the like the championship program guys, the guys to add to this defensive culture, is there anybody who stands out as, you know, late first,

mid-second? A guy that I gave them in the mock draft I did last, was that last week? I think it was the beginning of the beginning of last week, right, Julia? Yeah, that feels like three weeks ago.

JT. Tui Moe a while from Ohio State. this is a three-year starter, three-year first team all big 10, a big part of their championship season this year, can slide inside, wins with power. He's a guy that kind of fits that, yeah, I don't say like that Vinnie Curry mold,

but he's that type of like profile in terms of like long, expansive resume. You know, and like the sack production wasn't always there, but I always felt like he always made an impact on games. So Tui Moloal would be a player that would come to mind there. You know what? I'm thinking. It feels like the Eagles have not taken a ton of big 10 guys. Now, Cooper DeGine from last year. I've got you covered there.

But like Ohio State, it's been, it hasn't been since like Kurt Coleman, Brian Roll, right? Hold on, hold on, hold on. All right. How many Ohio State. How many Ohio State players have they taken? So they've taken under Howie Roseman. I've got them as one Ohio State player. It's Brian Roll.

That's it. What about Kurt Coleman? That was not a technical, technically. Not Howie? Yeah. That's 20, 2009? That might have been 10, yeah. Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I don't mean. Yeah. That's a small little thing. Right. In terms of Big 10. But I feel like SC, I feel like they're much more SEC heavy. Yes.

Now, Big 10, yeah, last year they took Cooper DeGine and Trevor Keegan. They took Sidney Brown. All right. So I feel like I'm wrong about the Big 10. No, but Big 10 is, it's actually only 13% of their picks overall of the Big 10. Okay. Whereas SEC is what? SEC is 21% that's a that's a high number one.

You're looking at me like how do I have that info right now? No, I'm not. That doesn't surprise me at all. 21% SEC, 21% PAC 12, which doesn't exist anymore. 21% Pac-12. Yeah, I think if you were to do that, I think if you were to redo that for the last five years, SEC would jump right up. I agree.

Yes. Yeah. It doesn't that. I mean, I know who you are. not the first time I've met you it would be hard for you to produce something that would really surprise me I feel

you were pretty surprised by the binder I feel like yeah that's true and that's not even like that's like tip of the spear it's like that's nothing uh pack 12 of course they have the advantage because not everybody else is staying up that late right I mean you know that's yeah yeah we know that oh somebody's already on that my guy says that's because I'm staying up late to website pack 12 games nicely done all right

what's the next uh week a couple weeks look like for you here i mean you just said all those things you got to yeah you got a mock draft you got a big board let's be well you can help me hash this out okay okay let's talk about it all right we got to get notes in so this morning i tried to get as many of like the little like anecdotes like stat uh not an abnormality but like oh he was the the the top 40 time of guys there are 6 3 plus. Right. I got as many of those in that I could into the draft guide. So that's that guy put that to bet.

I wanted to get all the athletic testing stuff is just like done. For sure. Position workout stuff. Done. I like to be able to continue. I have to keep watching players. Yes. Okay.

So I watched Florida linebacker Shamar James into three games this morning. Done. So he's his report for the first time filed it. So I'm going to try and watch a guy a day. I got to do the mock draft. Try and get that done by end of day tomorrow. I was going to do it maybe do. a three-rounder, but I think it's going to, I might have to just keep it at two.

That's pretty good. We'll see if I can get, well, maybe I do a three-round and I don't do full write-ups on the round-tie. Yeah, I think you could do that. Yeah. I think you have to, well, go ahead, finish. I got to do the board next week. Yeah. Here's the thing. Is that a write-up or it's just a, I have to do a write-up with it. Because my board is going to, it's a little, it's going to be different in a lot of ways. There's, I have a little bit of a unique way in terms of how I look at it and you and I have talked about it but I need to there needs to be a written explanation I feel I was actually I was talking with uh with our all city uh colleague Adam Hogue about this in Chicago as we were just talking about it thanks everybody for watching

on fast by the way uh check out the rest of this episode on all phly.com and he the way and he kind of reaffirmed her he was like yeah I think you need to put that explanation in there when you do the board so but not write up some players just no yeah yeah just like this is what I'm this is how basically like how I and that's essentially how I value You're valuing the positions. Yes. And basically like, you know, it's attached to how much players at that position make in the NFL and like what that means. So I'll go through all that.

Then this time of year is typically spent, it's not just watching new players, but then also like making the rounds back on. Sure. Players that I want to wrap up. So like all the top corners, I want to watch all the times they were targeted this year because I may have probably done like two or three or four games depending on the player four games from this year. but the way that I kind of just put a bow on every evaluation for the top guys is all right I'm going to take all the top corners and I'm going to take an afternoon I'm just going to watch all the times they were targeted this year you know maybe just from the Power 5 competition they're the best competition so I got to do those we're doing shows every week we're doing for agency next week yeah and the transcriptions you talked about

the transcriptions yep the transcriptions that one is the easy one because that one I I think I just like, hey, I've got 15 minutes or I'm going to, it's, that's got to be the bottom of the pie. Yeah, that's, hey, you got to prioritize watching the new guys. Yeah. I feel like early for the next week or so. Right. I watch as many of those guys as I can.

You got to do Joshua Simon. The 25 year old tight end. Bo is asking me to watch the 25 year old tight end from South Carolina. No, I'm asking to do them. Yeah. Right. So yeah. I think that's, that's probably the order, right?

Yeah. then there'll be at some point next month, there'll be a seven round mock. I'll do that. I've done those in the past for my own personal enjoyment. That takes about a day and a half, maybe two days. Yeah, that's a lot.

That's a lot, but it'll be fun. That's a fun exercise for what I like to do. Yeah, you're deranged. That's good. That's why we love you. Listen, I think that sounds fun. Yeah, it's fun.

It is fun. Okay. All right, that'll do it for this episode of the P.H.L.I. Draft show with Fran Duffy. We will be back next week once again live at noon on Tuesday. That'll be right in the middle of free agency tampering period. So we'll have some other stuff to talk about. But let us know in the comments what you think.

If there's anything you want us to address on next week's episode, we'll have a little rubric for it. And that's all we got. So on behalf of Fran and Julia, we thank you for watching. We will talk to you next week. Thank you.