PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Fran Duffy’s NFL Mock Draft Reaction: Ashton Jeanty goes THAT HIGH?

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

Fran Duffy posted his final 32-team, 7-round mock draft on ALLPHLY.com, which includes a ton of information and speculation about team tendencies. Why did the Browns eschew Andrew Berry’s tendencies? Which team went in early on Ashton Jeanty? Where did the likes of Mykel Williams, Tyler Warren, Tetairoa McMillan, Jihaad Campbell and Will Johnson go? And who was on the board for the Eagles at No. 32? Fran Duffy explains it all. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The H. We have Draft show with Fran Duffy on a very busy Fran Thursday. We've got this show. We've got the P.H.O.Y. Eagles show at 2 o'clock, we're going to be talking safeties with Sean Syed. And then tonight at J.D. McGillicuddies, 6 o'clock, the P.HL.Y draft, Shum it. Summit with Fran Duffy and Cuzz. Go out and check it out.

I'd love to be there with you. Unfortunately, we are, like, very much on Baby Watch. exciting times. Could have any moment. Yeah, I mean, there's a possibility I get a text and you're doing the rest of the show by yourself. I think I can make do. We'll figure it out.

You mean, you got seven rounds of mock draft to discuss. I'll just start reading the mock draft. Why not? For the final 40 minutes. I mean, you went through the marathon of the seven round mock. And by the way, not just every single pick, a write-up, at least a sentence for every pick in the draft. That's insane.

When I got through, because the way I looked at it, I was like, all right, well, I did the three-round mock last month. And in the three-round mock, I had a write-up on every pick. So I got at least do the first three rounds where I do the write-up. Otherwise, it's worse than the last one. And then when I got to the fourth round, I'm like, well, I want to comment at least on this. I'll just give it a sentence for every pick. Some of them had two sentences, but one or two sentences for every selection.

Okay, there you go. By the way, if you have not checked out the actual mock draft yet, you can do so by becoming a diehard. Go to all p.h-l-y.com. Become a die-hard. You get access to not just that seven-round mock draft, but the entire Fran Duffy draft database. You get to walk inside his mind, see what's peeking around in. there. And we're going to answer lots of questions about this mock draft as we go through it, Fran. We are a week away. I know. Exciting. I'm very excited. I'm very, I'm really fired up for this

draft. I was asked a few weeks ago, oh, it's like, is it disappointing that the first draft you get to cover like nationally that it's kind of like a lackluster group? I said, well, you know, I just, I think that the night one is going to be so fun that it will offset any of that. Yeah. It's going to be a fun. A bunch of surprises. And we will get into them because they start earlier in this draft. But let's work our way through it. We won't do every single pick. Got to give you a little bit of something

to keep you going back to make sure that you actually read the article. But number one, Cam Ward. Yeah. Feels done and dusted at this point. And number two, Cleveland, we had the show, I can't remember if it was last week or the week before,

where we talked about the tendencies for the teams for the decision makers. And as you write in this Brown's write-up, Andrew Barry, you would think would lean toward the line of scrimmage in this decision between the two elite non-quarterbacks in this draft, Travis Hunter and Abdul-Carter. However, this is very interesting what you say here, and I want to ask you about it. You say, the team just paid Miles Garrett

a large sum of money. The team has not met expectations from a performance standpoint in the win column. Whenever you're picking this high, the likelihood of ownership becoming involved in the decision-making process increases. Hunter brings a bit more sizzled to the party as a marketable asset. Are you telling you? and me, you think that Jimmy Haslam is putting his thumb on the scale here. I think that, yeah, well, yes. And I think that that's something that we have come to expect. Because that has worked out so well for the Cleveland Browns when he's done that.

A thousand percent. So it's something that we've come to expect over the last few years. But I do think any time a team is picking up that high, especially if there's going to be a quarterback involved or the number one pass rush or a reigning Heisman trophy winner that, yeah, the ownership tends to get involved there. look it's going to be the other interesting part of that is that Travis Hunter has said numerous times he wants to play both ways I want to play both ways I want to play offense and defense Andrew Barry was really the first voice from the NFL to come out and say like yeah we view

him as a receiver first and to me if you are a team that views him as a receiver first we've talked about this he's probably not playing corner because do you think Jim Schwartz is going to be like oh yeah we're going to throw this guy out there 10 plays a game like that's probably not the way that that's going to operate so I think that's part of it is fascinating. as well. Yeah. And I saw Barry today said again, reaffirmed. They see him as a wider receiver first, cornerback second. I don't know. I'm feeling Jim Schwartz could get a little spicy. He might not mind it. I mean, I'm sure he doesn't mind having a player like that. But the idea that he's going to play both ways, but focus on receiver first. I just think that that's a tough ask. I think there is

something to be said about the state of America about a billionaire making the decisions and then blaming his underlings for the bad decisions that he made and giving him more excuse to step in again. Maybe we'll say that for another time. Yeah, but it's probably that there's sort of explains the state of the Cleveland Browns. No question. That's how we got here. I mean, he basically, Jimmy Hasselm like took, took the blame at the owners meetings, right?

That was one of the things he talked about. Was that it was at the owners meetings? I think that's right. Remembering that correctly where I basically said like, yeah, like that's on us. That's on me. And he also said like, we wanted to make Deshaun Watson work. and it clearly was a mistake. I mean, very much, it came out and said that.

So very interesting. We'll see what Cleveland does. It does seem, especially like all the mock drafts I've seen in the last week or so. I started to tilt that way. It looks like it's going to be Hunter. Okay. And so that means then you're the Giants at number three

and you can buy into this sort of dog and pony show that they've been doing over the past week or so. We're bringing in all these quarterbacks. We're working them out. We're really considering Shador at number three. Maybe they would look for a trade down. Maybe, you know, the brain trust there doesn't feel like they have the staying power to do that, or they stick and pick

Abdul Carter and add to what is probably their biggest strength on the team roster-wise. Yeah, I do think what you said there was right, that I don't think that they're viewing this as an opportunity where Joe Shane and Brian Daibble can afford to trade out. I think that's probably best for the long-term health of the franchise. I say, like, oh, we're going to hold Abdul-Carter for a King's Ransom here. I do think, you know, Joe Shane said yesterday, I believe it was with his meeting with the media, that they like the options available to them. They're fine sitting there and taking who's going to be available after the Cleveland Browns select.

That said, in conversations I've had in the last couple of weeks, it's that they would definitely prefer Travis Hunter over Abdul Carter. You've already got plenty of money and assets tied into the past rush position. I think they'd rather have Hunter than Abdul Carter. That said, what I'm also hearing, and this goes into the Cleveland Browns, something I may have had them doing in this mock draft, was taking Travis Hunter at number two and then trying to make a move to select Shador Sanders later in the last. the round or potentially as early as in the early part of day two they have the first pick

of round two and so um i think it's going to be very interesting uh if cleveland is going to be the team to make that but if you're the new york giants and you hear oh well if they do want shodor sanders i'm sure they're hearing some of the same stuff if they want shador sanders we're going to try and force their hand we're going to say oh yeah we could take shodor sanders uh at number three make them take shador two so then that way you can pounce on Travis Hunter. I'm not buying Giants and Schorff Sanders love. I just do like, can you imagine

them signing James Winston and Russell Wilson and drafting a quarterback number three? It does, it does not make sense. Like it's like Occam's Razor. There's just, there's no world does that make sense. They're not doing that. So I think all this it's the kind of thing that like

and listen, we all watched the hard knocks. Yeah. Joe Shane. It's the kind of thing a dumb person would think a smart person would do. Right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. I was just, that to me, that would be very, very surprising in that market, like,

knowing what you would create by doing that. I just don't see that. Okay. Now, you say it in the write-up, maybe the pivot point. Yeah. Of this draft. I mean, in some order, it really does feel like those first three picks will be those first three picks. Yep. Where do the Patriots go?

How do you build around Drake May and put him in a position to be successful? Or do you try to add to Mike Vrabble's defense, you have them going with the offensive line here, which does sort of seem like the thing that would make sense. Yeah, it's fascinating that we are a week out, and we still don't know for sure the way that the number four pick is going to go. I was talking, most people do feel it's going to be offensive line.

That's the way I do have them going. That said, you know, I've had conversation. I was talking with somebody with the team last week. I think Ashton Gentie is going to go in the top six, but not necessarily at number six. I think that Ashton Genti at four, there's a little bit of potential there. I think that when you're looking at Mason Graham, I think that that's a possibility there. If Shador Sanders were to go,

obviously that creates the opportunity for an Abdul Carter to end up in New England. He took that visit. To me, he doesn't go up to New England if he doesn't think that's possible. He just took that visit there. It was either Monday or Friday. All the days are blurring together,

but he just took a visit there recently. He's not going up there unless he thinks there's a possibility that that happens. So at the end of the day, I do think that it'll be an offensive lineman. depending on who you ask, it's Will Campbell or Membu. I feel like I would have leaned Membu. I had it as Membu early.

You go back and you look at Doug Marone, who's the offensive line coach, his voice carries weight on that staff that they brought in there under Mike Vrable. A lot of the alignment that he has been with that he has drafted when he's been the head coach or has been the offensive coordinator or the offensive line coach, assistant head coach, have kind of fit the Membu profile more so than the Will Campbell profile. But I think that there's more love in the building for the character, culture center that Will Campbell is. And if your entire offensive line is terrible, if you're taking Will Campbell and there's like, okay, well, if we do have to move him to guard, at least there's going to be a spot for him no matter what. Yes, I agree.

I think that's the way I kind of see it. Okay. I agree. All right. So we move on there. And this is a big surprise that you have at five. Right. You said Gentie, top six, maybe not six.

The Jacksonville Jaguars. Yeah. GENTI and five. So here's here's my thing. So I've mentioned I've been on the phone a lot over the last couple weeks. Like since the, yeah, right.

Since the pro day circuit comes to a close, that's when the phone calls really pick up. And it's, look, sometimes you're chasing your tail. You hear, there's lots of things being thrown around, lots of possibilities.

So I'm not going to put something in here like this, unless I feel like either they're, I'm hearing it from multiple people or there's possibilities. Maybe it meets up with some other breadcrumbs. To me, when I look at James Gladstone, the new general manager, 34 years old, not a lot known about his impact on the LA Rams. Liam Cohen, new head coach, has only been an office coordinator league for one year,

spent a lot of time in college before that. You go to the officer coordinator, Grant Udinski, one of the youngest officer coordinators in all of NFL. There's not a lot of runway with him. So there's just so much unknown with the Jaguars. That's why it is a complete wildcard team. Everybody is saying, oh yeah, Mason Graham, Mason Graham, Mason Graham. I just think like knowing what we know about that ownership group, that front office,

where the, where the GM comes from, where Gladstone comes from, where Liam Cohen, his background, I think they want to go offense. Yeah. Can I throw another one at you?

Tyler Warren. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I mean. Like I think that it's an offensive player. Well, I think about the Rams, right?

Yep. Didn't care much about age. That's a bit of a ding on Tyler Warren. They've had some success there. Right. Yeah. Yeah, like finding an offensive weapon for Liam Cohen. and their wide receiver room is okay.

Yep. There's not an obvious spot to go there. And their tight end room is terrible. Breton Strange, right? Yeah, former teammate of Tyler Warren. I kind of feel like, I feel like that could be the pick.

The team just paid Trevor Lawrence a huge sum of money. And then he went on to have a very disappointing season. I think that they want to do what they can to lift him up and make him as good as spot. That's why I feel like that's what he was hired to do, no question. And so that's why I'm like, I feel like this is going to be an offensive pick. and I heard from that one person that was like, oh yeah, like Gentie in the top six,

but not necessarily at six. I also talked with somebody else who was like, oh, yeah, like I feel good about Genty at five. Okay. So I was like, okay, I'm going to go with this. Well, what, do you think the delta between Genti and Travis Atenean is greater than the delta between Tyler Warren and Breton Strange? I think there's some unknown with Strange. I think that there's more, you get more bang for your buck, I think, with Genty.

Like, I think that he does more. to elevate your offense than I think Warren would personally. Yeah. I mean, I think it would be a bad pick. I think either of them. Probably so.

But I don't, the, the like taking a running back to help your quarterback, that's if you have a bad quarterback. Right. Sure. I think that's fair.

Maybe they think that they have a bad quarterback. Right. But okay. But that's not, that's not evaluation. That's forecasting. Yeah. I want to give some love to our friend,

Dane Bruegler as well. We both. Never heard of it. We did not talk about our botrass. I cannot believe you guys dropped your seven rounders on the same day. I know. It was, what the hell? When I knew, when I found I was going to happen, I was like, oh, this is going to be very fun.

We didn't talk about, like, picks or anything. We had the same top eight. We both had Genti going number five overall. So, yeah, we'll see. That'll be interesting to watch. Okay. That's fun. Love a day.

Of course. Love day. Okay. So six. I mean, first of all, is this really like Genties floor? I don't think so. He could go lower it? I think he could.

I don't think that it's 100% that even if Gentie was on the board that he would end up with the Raiders. I said this a couple weeks ago. My sputty senses up that this is a smokescreen from the Raiders just because it's everywhere. They're saying, oh, yeah. Genti, Jenta, yes, he loves this part. So I have a sneaky suspicion that this, if it was Mason Graham or Jalen Walker, a corner, People are saying corner because it's such a dire need. I think it's probably a little rich for the corner spot.

You use your six overall pick on a need. Jalen Walker does feel like a Pete Carroll type of selection. So that one, my spidey sense is up that that is not gentee, even if he's on the board. But you have Mason Graham as to pick here. He, I think, checks a lot of boxes there. Give yourself a really good defensive line. Yeah, give yourself a good defensive line with Christian Wilkins,

so you pay a lot of money to last year. You have Max Crosby. you drafted Tyree Wilson in the top 10 a couple years ago. So, yeah, Mason Graham was the pick there. Okay, so the Jets at 7, and we were talking before the show, and you said this was one of the choices where you spent the most time deliberating and going back and forth on this election.

Yeah, to me, this is a two-player race. I think this is either going to be Armand Membu or Tyler Warren, depending on the day and the person you ask, it's like, oh, yeah, I feel good that's going to be Warren, and then somebody else, it's like, I feel like it's going to be Membu. So you don't think that even with a, defensive coordinator, head coach and Aaron Glenn, you think that you still want to go offense?

All of the, everyone I've talked to, it's going to be one of those two players. And so, um, honestly, like when I, when I'm going to have another mock that comes out morning of on Thursday morning. It might be Warren. Really? Yeah, it might be Warren.

I mean, you gotta go. You got to go with the tackle. Yeah, I, I agree. This is, I'm going off. Yeah, it's going off how I feel, you know, what they're going to do. I would take Membo as well, uh, in that spot. Um, but this was a team that.

It came down to them last year. Is it going to be Olu Foshanu, the left tackle from Penn State, or is it going to be Brock Bauer's the tight end from Georgia? They obviously went with Fashnu. I wonder if they flip it this year and go with the tight end. Interesting. I mean, a different GM. Different staff.

No question. The question is, who does Brickwant? That's what I mean. Yeah. I'll talk about ownership getting involved. Yeah. All right. The Panthers at 8.

This is a tough one man. A pick you don't believe in. I know. And honestly, I actually think that this is another one like the, like the Jacksonville pick, you know, like the Raiders pick, where it's like, oh, everyone's saying, oh, yep, Mason Graham to Jacksonville. Oh, yeah, Ashton Genty at 6 to the Raiders.

The Jalen Walker pick to Carolina. This also feels like, to me, I know that like the top three is, there's a drop off after the top three. The order you have four, five, six, seven, taking away positional value for Ashton Genty, it feels like Membo, Graham, and Campbell is its own separate tier. And so now you get to,

eight and that's a that's a different tier drop off i think so i think that's probably fair um i think that i think carolina would love to trade uh and i think that they will there would be options there if gentie were to fall this would be a great opportunity for carolina to trade with dallas or to trade with chicago or you know so anyone that wanted to go up to secure genti trading up for a running back that in the top 10 that does feel like a hefty hefty people have talked about that with dallas i just to to give up what you would have need to to to move into the top 10 to select a player. That would be a big asking price.

I don't know that Carolina is going to get any takers to move down. I kind of think it might be Michael Williams there. Okay. That's one. I think that's the ceiling for Michael Williams. So that would be a player certainly to watch in that spot of numbering overall. Well, listen, you could make the case with Walker. You can make the case with Michael Williams.

If this is in fact a teardrop, who has the most upside? I mean, I am with you that I don't really think that it's there with Jalen Walker. necessarily. But the people who like Gillen Walker, they like him because he has this potential super high ceiling. Exactly. It would make sense to sort of swing for that, don't you think? And the reason why I ended up going, you know, I go back to my notes and I listened to, watched every press conference after the draft last year. And it felt like every single pick after, you know, Dave Canales and Dan Morgan come to the podium. And all they did was harp on the versatility and the multiplicity of every guy that was like a huge theme with every single

player they picked and that happens to be one of the big selling points for jalen walker so that's why i settled on walker but i think i wrote it in there like i don't feel ironclad about that selection okay at number nine the saints now seems like the team that that could pull a trigger on shedore and if shudor doesn't go here then you start to wonder how far is he really going to fall given the derrick car news you don't have them doing doing that so i started this mock draft friday morning and the i got through a chunk of the first round by the time the Derek Card news had happened. I'd passed the Saints at this point.

All of the stuff that I've done, all the work that I've done talking with people, Saints are not taking a quarterback at 9. That's the everything I, everyone I talked to was like, yep, Saints are not taking a quarterback this high in the draft. After the Derek Card News breaks, I'm like, you're kidding me. So I'm like, all right, let me reach out to some people.

I was like, do you feel like that that has changed? And they're like, no, they're not taking Shador Sanders at 9. They're not taking Jackson Dart at 9. So I trust the people that are giving me that. So I'm going to go ahead and not give them a quarterback in that spot. It feels like defense. That has been a lot of the stuff that I've heard has been a defense to them at nine. I have heard potentially Tyler Warren.

I know Dane had Tetaroa McMillan, the wider suit from Arizona going there. To me, though, from what I gather, I think it's going to be more defense. So that's more likely there at nine. And you have them going Will Johnson. Yeah. So I think it's a great fit for Brandon Staley's defense, off coverage, you know, the coverage multiplicity. I think that that one makes a lot of sense.

They lose March on Lattimore. They lost Paulson-Adebo this offseason as well. Alante Taylor, their other starting corner, he's entering a contract year. So I do think that's a position they value. And I think it's a position that, you know, when you're looking at, at Will Johnson, great scheme fit at a primary position. He fits the profile. We talked about what the Saints like to lean to from a type standpoint.

young, athletic at prime positions. Will Johnson checks all those boxes. All right. Let's move on to number 10. And this is your first trade of the first round. Good for you for doing trade. I mean, you're going to trade in the third round. No, well, you did have to trade in the third round.

Oh, yeah, I did. Yeah, it was real sick of stuff. It was uncalled for, honestly. We wanted to have him go get a running back. And you have the Indianapolis Colts who have been linked to Colson Loveland throughout this draft process. Loveland at 14 feels like a very popular selection.

You have them instead because Tyler Warren is on the board, moving up to 10, giving up a third round pick and taking Tyler Warren. Yeah, I know our friends at CHGO were not happy with me with that one. They said they would stick and pick Tyler Warren in that situation. But I just feel like to me that's a spot where Chicago gave up some picks already this offseason trading for some veterans.

You get some of that draft capital back. The Colts, I think, are desperate for a playmaker. They won an offensive playmaker in this class. And so being able to move up, they tried last year to get up for neighbors or Brock Bowers. They couldn't. So now they're able to get Tyler Warren in the spot.

They give up a pick on day two in order to do so. But I think that that's worthwhile in their minds. Okay. I think so too. I think so. Yeah. Okay. Now, San Francisco to me is an interesting one

because I always think that a team that thinks of itself like a Super Bowl contender picking up that high is, is ripe to sort of go for a luxury is maybe not the right word, but something that they think could put them over the hump. Yep. Instead, and maybe they think of this player this way, and I know you don't think of this player this way,

but they go Jade A Baron from Texas. Yeah, this is a T leaves pick for me, just kind of just kind of reading the winds there and feeling that this could be the type of player that they would target. I do think, you know, while they obviously looked at this, this is a team that got banged up last year at a number of different spots. you would say if they were healthy, they were not going to be picking at 11 overall. They've also lost a lot of pieces, a lot of turnover.

So I do think that they're trying to remake this roster on the fly a little bit, certainly in the defensive front. A lot of people I've talked to, it's like this is going to be a corner or it's going to be a pass rusher. And some of them feel very confident in one over the other. And so it was conflicting there. I thought about Michael Williams. I thought about Shamar Stewart.

I ended up going with Barron. This one feels, we talked about the Ronde-Barber comparison last week. This one, and there's kind of reading through the tea leaves there a little bit, that this is going to be a corner. I think that if Will Johnson were to fall, I think he would make some sense, but I ended up going with Barron. I personally would not do that, obviously, but that's where I had John Lynch going. Okay, there you go. We'll start bouncing around a little bit, but we are going to go to 12 here because we've got our friends at DLLS to talk about, and lots of smoke about them taking a wide receiver here for an offensive playmaker.

you know, I think they, you think if Gentie falls to 12, they would jump on that? Yes, I think that would absolutely. And honestly, if he fell to 9, 10, I mean, if he fell to 10, Chicago probably takes them. So they would need to go to 9. But, yeah, I think if Genti were to fall to that spot, he would, yeah, he would be a cowboy. And do you think if Gentis gone, they would consider Omarian Hampton here over a wide receiver? There's been some chatter about that. I don't think so.

I think this is going to be a pass catcher. And do you think that they would consider Tyler Warren if he was on the board? I think it would be a consideration. He definitely checks a lot of their boxes. I hadn't heard them necessarily, but it might be because I've seen, because Warren is likely to be off the board by that point. Leveland, you don't think would be enough of a playmaker for them.

Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think so. I think that to me, it sounds like it's going to be one of the two receivers, either Matthew Golden or Tetero and McMillan. And this is another one. Do you want, do you fall for the speed or do you go for the big guy? Yeah, so Schottenheimer said at owners meetings, and people have latched onto this quote that we need to get faster and we want speed,

So everyone is thinking Golden, but I don't know. There are some people I've talked to who's like, yeah, the Teterell McMillan. And we've talked about like the box checking with them, like in terms of the type of player. McMillan checks more boxes for them than Golden does just off of like their trends, what they've done in the past. Okay. I think that's, I think that's a good. This was, that was a tough pick. Well, listen, C.D. Lamb did not run a Blazing 40.

Nope. And they had plenty of success with him. They are unmoved by guys that underwhelmed from a testing standpoint. Okay. We will also go with our PHNX friends and talk about the Arizona Cardinals at 15, moving up, or sorry, at 16 moving up to 13,

moving up three spots to take the player we discussed earlier. Michael Williams from Georgia, one of the youngest players in the draft who does have some real upside. Yeah. So basically, anytime I've done a mock draft and I would get to the Cardinals at 16, like man, they just missed out on this group of players I think would make a lot of sense.

And I think anybody that they would take here that would make sense on and off the field for the Cardinals and Jonathan Gannon and Monty Asenfort, it feels a little early. So I do think for that reason, and Monty Asafort has been a big mover and shaker. He likes to move up. He likes to move back. So here I like them to move up to try and secure the services of Michael Williams. I think Shamar Stewart would make sense there as well with some of the things that they've done in the past. But I end up going with Williams.

It could very easily be Stewart. I'm thinking about draft night. Now, we're going to be live all of draft night, Thursday night. Fran, Zach Berman and myself looking forward to it. It should be a lot of fun. We're going to be live all night, Friday night,

and then live all day Saturday. So the entire draft, we're going to be live talking. But on Thursday night, you've got some other responsibilities. You've got to go on when the other teams are on the clock. And as you haven't plotted out here,

Fran, you're going 12, 13, 14. I thought about that. Dallas, Arizona, Chicago. Yeah. You don't want Denver trading up to 15 to make it a clean sweep for four for four? Yeah, I did think about that.

I was like, oh, man, this would be really tough. It would be fun. Again, it's going to be fun. So if you had a bunch of dealing there with a bunch of the All-City teams, that would certainly make Thursday night. 14, after moving back down from 10, you have the Bears then taking Shamar Stewart, who you don't necessarily believe in as a player.

But in terms of body type, he does feel like a Dennis Allen edge. And also, this is a front office led by Ryan Poles that has said in the past, like they grade the flashes of players. And when you're looking at production, honestly, when I'm looking at who are the teams that would make sense for Shamar Stewart, Chicago is one of those teams that absolutely makes sense for Stewart.

When you factor in the types of players that they brought in the past, where they drafted in the third round, Dominic Robinson, the pass rusher from Miami, Ohio a couple years ago, who barely played, had no starts, very little production. This is a team that has taken chances on players like this. This would obviously be the biggest one, but I think that it is definitely someone that it would be in their wheelhouse.

He was just in for a visit last week. That has been predictive for the bears in the past. So the CHGO guys were not happy with me when I went on with them on Wednesday, but I do think that, who do they want? They think it would be if Tyler Warren was there for them at 10, that they would stick and pick and select Tyler Warren. But if not, like even on the board, like, oh, like they could take Kelvin Banks,

they could take this. And they were happy with how the rest of the draft unfolded. And I knew that was going to be the case. I warned Hogue. I was like, look, you're not going to be happy with round one. You're going to like the rest of it. And they did like the rest of it. But round one was,

Who is it that if it's not Tyler Warren? Is there like those guys? Who do they want? Basically it's come down to is it a good player at a non-primary position or you're taking a risk on like a Mikel Williams? They all like Williams over Stewart. We're talking like Hogue and Braggs and the Anil Carman those guys. So I don't want to speak for all of them. But the sense I've gotten talking with them once a week, twice a week has been, yeah, give us Gentie, Warren, Michael Williams. That kind of group.

Maybe a maybe a Kelvin Banks if there were a church. down, which they pass on Banks in the scenario. If we move away from the specific picks for a second, I'm thinking about it, because you've got a couple guys here, you know, Emin Worry and Kelvin Banks and Walter Nolan, who have pretty wide ranges within the first round. We talked about Matthew Golden potentially going at 12 overall. You've got him out of the way to sort of the mid, early second round. Who are the players you think have that, and maybe this is just the nature of this draft

in general, but have that super wide range on draft night? Yeah, Golden is one. You know, it's funny because basically how I go pick by pick, right? Of course. That's the only way that's how it works. Yeah, that's how it works. So, and you go through and it's like, all right, the Atlanta Falcons are on the clock at 15. Whoever it is, I'm up.

And I'm like, okay, is this a trade down opportunity? Is there a team that's behind them that would like to move up? All right. If not, all right, they're sticking and picking who, who's the selection here. And now I'm going through my notes. And it's all right. Like I've heard this player, that player, that player, that player, right, here's these four. who fits what they would like to do.

Is the pre-draft interest there? Does that matter for this team? So you're taking all of these factors into play. I struggled with Matthew Golden after the Dallas pick because it was like, oh, they're kind of 50-50, like flip a coin if it's him or Tetero McMillan. Then after that, it was like Houston maybe, maybe the Packers, but the Packers don't take receivers early.

He's been linked to them a little bit, but I don't think that that's an option there. It's one of those ones where if you were just thinking about where is Matthew Golden going to go, you're thinking, okay, this is a wide receivers go, wide receivers with speed definitely go he's probably going to go before you have him selected to go but as you go through it

who is the team who's going to actually pull the trigger on him maybe maybe there's not someone and there's going to be players just like there are going to be players that go higher than we think there are going to be players you know obviously of course go lower and I just to me like golden was one that fell out for me my then you get into the

guys where it's the and this is I think a theme of this draft because there is not that like high volume of blue chip talent we get to that next tier where there are questions like the Walter Nolan like off field stuff the Mike Green with the accusations you go through obviously Shamar Stewart with the profile teams are going to have to make concessions and honestly like a lot of teams talk the talk when it comes to like character stuff and so you're going to be forced into these into some of these decisions where it's like

all right like this guy's talent warrants him going this high but what are you willing to what are you willing to it gets into risk aversion and all that stuff it's why kind of think like a guy like Tyler Booker who is projected to probably go like late first round but is like checks all the boxes from a character standpoint like I feel like he could be a sleeper to go like you know 11 overall or something like that to a team that just that just wants to hit a single it's honestly why I think the all the buzz about like Mason Taylor going in the first round for that exact reason I think that there are going to be some guys that go that high like I'd be shocked if Tyler Booker fell out of the first round I'd be really really surprised

And a lot of people felt like, oh, after the combine, like, oh, he's not going to go that high. I'd be shocked if he was out of the top 25. Mason Taylor going in the first round would make sense because there's just, there's not a lot of questions in the profile. I had Gray's Abel falling out of the first round. I think it's more likely that he's in. He was just one where I just, I struggled to find the right fit, especially after Minnesota traded out of the first round. I just, I struggled finding that fit there for Grace Abel. So I think that it's, this is a draft where it's this case every year.

It's the case every year. but when you're looking at these guys, there's some volatility there and there's some risk, I struggled finding the teams that would be willing to take on that risk because it's become such a talking point for a lot of these decision makers. All right, let's go to number 20.

Let's stick with our all city brethren, DNVR. The Denver Broncos at 20 sticking and taking the second best running back in the draft by most accounts, Amari and Hampton from North Carolina. Yep, have heard that there's a lot of love in Denver for a Marion Hampton. They had Trayvon Henderson in yesterday for a visit. I know some of our DNVR crew said like, yeah,

I think that there's a chance to like Henderson more than Hampton. I haven't heard one way or the other there. I've just heard that they really like Hampton. And if Hampton's there, that he is likely to be the pick. Okay. And that's from two or three different people. So I feel good about that one. So I stuck with it.

So I do think that there's options for, you know, if they want that movable Joker, pass catching type, There are options for them later, and I ended up giving them one later, that I think that can still fill that role, and then you still get that every down workhorse with Hampton, which is harder to replicate later. If you're Denver and you're hoping for Hampton, we talked about Dallas at 12,

that's a possibility for a running back. Arizona is not going to take a running back, right? Chicago, I guess they could. Yep. They could go Hampton, right? Atlanta's not doing it. Miami's not doing it. Cincinnati?

Running back? No. Probably not. Seattle, probably. not. Tampa Bay, certainly not. So, yeah. It's Pittsburgh. It's Pittsburgh. That's the next to me, like, that is the floor for Hampton in my mind, but that's tough. Honestly, like Pittsburgh at the end of the exercise, when I got to like round four,

I said, man, that people in that city are not going to be happy. I think they, they actually like need to trade down. After the trades, you know, they're trading that two away. They just have a lot of holes. That's a tough team to peg. Okay. At 21, you pegged them. with Derek Harmon. Yes. I know there was the report, Aaron Wilson reported that

the meeting with Tomlin and, or I shouldn't say Tomlin, the Steelers and Shador Sanders didn't go well. Okay. I'm going to stick my gun. A lot of the, most of the people I talk to about Pittsburgh were

basically all echoed the same sentiment that they are not taking a quarterback high in the draft, that they will take one on day two. Basically like, all right, let's let's let this play out this year. And then we will be player. in the market next year when it's supposed to be a stronger quarterback class. That's a, and there are the, I talked with one or two guys that felt like, oh, no, like, they need to take a quarterback.

Otherwise, the defense is going to, there's going to be a mutiny on that side. They don't have any belief in what's going on offensively. But, no, I think that there's, to me, I think there's a better chance that they pass on Schador than they take them. Is there a specific day two quarterback that you think would make sense for them? No. I think that Milrow could be a possibility for them, but the problem is they don't have the second round pick.

So that's why they got to- More reason to trade down. Yeah, so I got, that's why I got to the third round, and the last guy there was musical chairs was Quinn Ewers, and I was like, I don't think that, I think this is probably still a little early for Ewers. I have heard like some, you know, late day two,

like, you know, round three stuff for Ewers, but I was like, I feel like they have to take somebody. Roger's going to be there. It sounds like Roger's going to be there. Supposedly he's making some kind of announcement. that's been today. Supposedly. I'm sure it'll wait one more week.

I don't even want to give that oxygen. All right. So to me, they were one of the trickiest teams for the draft. That said, like I don't think it's quarterback round one. Everything I heard was detackle round one. We'll say.

Okay. Or if not, then Marion Hampton. We talked about Loveland as a player with an interesting disparity. You haven't had 22 to the charges, which has been sort of the popular link. That's chalk pack.

Yep. You give Herbert a guy. got a throw to you got the Michigan connection. Seems to make sense. Yeah, this was a this was another tough team to really kind of pin down. I was talking with some media members out there as well. They didn't really have like a great sense that they feel like they were able to address a lot of needs and free agency and that ideally they wanted a pass catcher. So this was a Matthew golden possibility if Loveland was off the board. That said, I did go with Loveland. This chalk pick felt right. All right. You make the trade up from Cleveland that you talked about before.

Yeah, you want to pair Travis Hunter with Shador Sanders, get Shador Sanders. You've got it moving up to 24 sending 33 overall, the first pick of the second round. 94, which is a third round pick, a sixth and another sixth to go get Shador Sanders. Defend yourself. Well, so I think that this is, I think this is the area of the draft where a team would move up for Shador. any thought of the giants or the, uh, the Browns moving up into the,

we'll say 15, Atlanta Falcons. Yeah. That doesn't make sense. If you were going to give up future capital, like future, because either you were to move from 33 to 1st, to 15,

you were giving up a future first round. Right, right. Then take the guy at two or take the guy at three. To me, it does, it does not make sense to me to say like, oh yeah, we're going to give up three picks, move up to 15 and take them,

um, Well, it makes sense if you are delusional. No, no, but about, if you're thinking to yourself, okay, we're not going to, if you're the Browns, you know, you think we have a good team, a good roster, we need a quarterback, but we don't expect to be picking in the top 10. So we're going to take our chance to get an elite player now at two or three. And then we'll trade our first round pick, which is likely to be, you know, 20th overall next year. We'll trade that in order to get the quarterback. I can, you can see the thinking.

Yeah. I can see it with Cleveland much more than I could see it with the Giants. I can see it with Cleveland, much more of the Giants, for sure, for the reasons we talked about. Yeah. I think that it will become a game of chicken.

And it's because, you know what it is, is that, and I think I outlined it there, is the decision for a team that wants to trade up for Shador Sanders is how close is Shador to Tyler Shuck, Jalen Milrow, Jackson Dart, you know, insert quarterback here. And then how, how,

What is the disparity there? Like, would you rather have Shador Sanders or Tyler Shuck and a second round pick and a third round pick, right? Like, that's those, and you're able to, now you're able to basically say like, okay, it's not just a second round pick and a third round pick.

It's insert players, like actual names into that and say like, okay, we can select this player and that player with these selections. What would you rather have? Is it worth it? Is that worth that gamble? That's why I don't think it would be a big jump. I think you're talking a team

or in the early stages of round two that gets in the latter stages around one to select Shored Sanders. Who knows? Like, I don't think it's out of the question that it even gets to the Eagles at 32. Like, it could get to that point. I don't think that's out of the question.

And who else do you think could be in contention for that, aside from the Giants and Browns? The Rams, potentially? Potentially. I think the Rams could be there. Like I said, I don't think it's the saints. The Raiders, the Raiders are a sneaky,

team that's kind of laying there in the weeds. And then the Jets. And the Jets. I'm trying to think off the top my head. I think that's it. I think that's about it. I had the Colts selecting a quarterback. I know. I like this big. Yeah. I had the Colt selecting quarterback. I don't think that it was that you're going to have to read it to see which second round pick the Colts make. That's a shocking pick. Yeah. Quarterback, which I love. I love that. I think it would make a lot sense. But I don't think that they would make the move up for for Shador. So yeah, that's going to be one of the big stories.

Certainly, we know that, you know, going into draft night. All right, we talked about the Tyler Booker, Texans at 25. Yeah,

I think they got to go offensive line, right? And I think Tyler Booker is like, you're hitting a single, hoping maybe you can turn it into a double, but you feel good. I honestly think it would be like a double. You hope it turns into a triple.

Oh, I mean, I like Booker. I think he makes a lot of sense on and off the field. I've heard, potentially Zabel. I've heard Matthew Golden there. That was one of the Matthew Golden teams.

That's basically been in. It's been O-line. Kelvin, Kelvin Banks is the other one. That would be a guy that I think they could trade up for. I think the Texans would be interested moving up and Kelvin Banks

would be the target there. And certainly if he were to fall to them, I think that he would be the pick. Okay. We have a super chat to get to from our friend Rich Bobby who says, other than talking to coaches and evaluating the film,

is there any other way teams evaluate a prospects want to? Love the draft coverage, guys. Thank you. Thank you, R.B. Yeah, that is the, like, basically priority number one for the area scouts. Like, you know, boots on the ground, you know, for the, for the guy, the men and women that are going into these buildings and tracking down sources.

You're talking with assistant coaches, support staff, uh, tracking down, like, depending on the prospect, even digging like even further than that into the background and just trying to decipher. Like what is, and I started talking about like the character, the character end of things. That obviously is a very, it's a huge umbrella term and it can mean so many different things.

And there are some guys that are turnoffs from a character standpoint. Maybe they're not, you know, quote unquote tough enough to last in the NFL. There might be criminal stuff. There might be, is this guy a fit in our offensive line room or in our secondary room, right? there might be, is he coachable? Intelligence, like, there are all these different things. And we, on the media, basically when we get that filtered into us from teams,

it's, oh, like there's some character stuff to worry about. Like, you know, it's a huge thing. For some guys, it's something very, very small. For some, it's a lot bigger. And obviously, it's all a sliding scale. Yeah. It's like, if this guy's like this on tape, we're willing to accept some of this stuff.

If this guy's just over here and he's like, we're talking about a fifth round. unpick, then yeah, it's not worth to bother. Yeah. And so basically what I would all, how I go into these conversations, but I'm talking with people around the league about it is like, okay, what kind, what are we talking about when it's like stuff off the field? And is it prohibitive? Is it

something where you're like, nope, like we're moving on or like, it's definitely going to make him drop. And then you kind of move on from there. And like that's the first way I phrase is like, is this prohibitive? Is this keeping you from drafting this guy as high as he should go? Um, but that's, I think people just kind of say, oh yeah, like off field. And it's like, but there's lots of, of different layers to that and different lenses to look at it through.

And so what, to Rich's question, what are the other ways in which teams try to evaluate that stuff? I mean, I'm going to be honest, the more you, and Rich alluded to it there, like the more,

the more you watch film on players over the years. Like, I've gotten, I'm starting to get a little bit better at like, trying to diagnose that through film. You can see that a little bit, like the guys that, you know,

the give a crap factor, with guys. And which, you know, listen, it's, um, it's not great, but that's what matters to them the most. Yeah. It's like the, the, we'll deal with you being headache off the field if you are giving it 110% on the field.

I mean, there's so many instances you can look at it. And if you're like, if you're an Eagles fan watching, you know, like, we're not talking down on players. It is what it is. Like Danny Watkins, you know, Danny Watkins had a lot of ability. Like, just wasn't wasn't, wasn't, you didn't love it. Yeah. Right.

Like he was, he was interested in other stuff. And so, you know, that's, that's, That's a very, very important part of the equation. Well, it's also a good transition to a pick that is like, you see a pick and you're like, oh, that's perfect. And there are some teams where that off-field stuff moves guys up the board. And so the Kansas City Chiefs training up for Mike Green feels like a pretty nail on the head.

Yeah, I just struggled with Mike Green. And I don't know. I don't know. I know, I know. I don't either. It's not fair for us to just lump them in with some real nasty stuff that the chiefs have dealt with in the past. but it's I struggled with and because again with with the Mike green stuff it's it's nothing

like confirmed like it's all accusations but I don't know which team is going to feel good about it every team is going to make that decision on their own and so it's just tough to kind of predict how that's going to go some people that a lot of people in in this role and they're in the media which is like I can almost have to put it to the side because it's impossible to tell I factored that in but it's it's tough I want to ask you about an interesting pick at 29 a player who I have not really seen get a lot of round one buzz. And you talked about it on yesterday's PHLY draft show when we talked about the corners. Benjamin Morrison at 29 from Notre Dame sneaking into the first round.

Yeah, I've heard more buzz in recent weeks. I think part of that is that the medical recheck in Indianapolis just happened recently. And I think that it seems like if he, if he's getting this kind of buzz, my guess is that the recheck went okay in terms of his hip surgery. He missed the back half of the season due to having to get surgery. on that hip. It's his second time having hip surgery. That is a red flag for me personally. That's a little bit worrisome, especially for a corner. Probably not great. Yeah, not ideal. But he's, I mean, that's a red flag for my grandma. He's a great, great kid. Like, ACEs off the field

character-wise. And the film is good. Like, I don't think the film's great. I think the film's great. But I think the film is really good. And, you know, if he's healthy, he's going top 20. And you doubled, you asked that question of Adam Peters at the Combine doubling down on after last year when they made some picks that were guys who looked like reaches based on the consensus board who they were maybe overvaluing like the culture building character stuff. Maybe this would make sense for them to once again do that at 29. I do think that that is going to be a factor, you know, for them. And that's why again, like so many teams talk to talk with it. Who walks the walk? They walked the walk last year.

Yeah. When it came to like the character acquisitions. So for them, like I wasn't penciling in any players that had those kind of question marks off the field. 31, the Rams. This was one of your favorite matches in the first round. They're going to Ohio State's a mecca egg buca. Yeah, this is just because they are a dart throw team in terms of trying to predict what they're going to do. Yeah.

You like this one. I do like this one. There was a quote last year. I'm trying to remember when it was. Ask not for fewer problems. Ask for broader shoulders. No, it wasn't that one. be the thermostat, not the thermometer.

No, it wasn't that one. It wasn't, he's pooping. Yeah, it wasn't that either. By the way, somebody in the chat I noticed, I wrote, he pooped. And it's much different because you could convince yourself that he pooped is you're just, you know, you're sharing the information so that we all know what schedule he's on.

He's pooping is like, is a cry for help. Like, he's doing this right now. I can't handle this myself. Well, it could maybe if you're looking at, he's pooping right now. That's like the timestamp for when he pooped. I guess that's true. So there's that's true.

Yeah, okay. For the doubt. There you go. There was a quote from Les Sneed, the GM of the Rams. It was last year and it was talking about the Rams selecting a defensive player, which we know that they did. They ended up going defense with like at least their first two picks, maybe in their first three picks last year.

And he's like, if you're giving us defense, like you obviously don't know Sean, talking about Sean McVeigh. And it's now been a full year since then. And I know that they wanted to get Bowers last year. I know that they wanted to, they were thinking about receiver last year. I think this is going to be an offensive skill player. There's a chance to align. I think it's going to be an offensive skill.

And so I'm looking at, I'm like, Matthew Golden would make sense. This was my favorite Luther Burden landing spot early in the process. I don't know if Burden would necessarily go there at this point. But at Buka, I think checks a lot of the boxes from a, he can do the dirty work stuff. Yes. Like line them up tight to the formation,

in the slot, off the wing of the tight end. He's going to dig out safeties. He's going to do dirty work. he's really reliable after or at the catch point all the Cooper Cup stuff I'm like yeah like like Egbuka makes a lot of sense they they trend they trend older they like guys with proven resumes I'm like yeah like like egbuka makes a ton of sense through the LA Rams I'll tell you I did the uh I did the Eagles mock draft which for a video that'll premiere on the pH I Eagles page

tomorrow I had the Rams as the team that trains for Dallas Goddard yeah I could see that does that dirty work yep they don't care about the age have the use and then they can and then they can still draft another guy. You know, there was a part of me that thought about doing in the seven-round mock draft like Dallas Goddard, Kirk Cousins, like, I was like, I'm not doing,

I'm not doing this. George Pickens, like the whole deal. I'm like, yeah, we're not doing this. All right, well, we got to talk about the Eagles at 32. Yeah. Now, this is interesting because the players on the board for them in this situation include Josh Simmons from Ohio State,

who I think makes a lot of sense for the Eagles, given what they want to build. And then they could talk themselves into, this is a player with a talent that he wouldn't otherwise be here at 32, but because of the injury, he's got that. Gray Zabel, who would give them that chess piece on offense. Nick Scorton, who we will get to in a minute.

And then you've got also Matthew Golden and Luther Burden and Trey Amos, Josh Connerly, if you wanted to go offensive line, and James Pierce, Jr., if you want just that one-track pass rusher. But you've got him trading back. So only four spots. Yeah, only four spots. I think I got to this point Saturday. Okay, so it's Saturday.

And it was Saturday night. It was late Saturday night. And I got to 32. Eagles are up and I'm like, all right. Like, here's exactly we just did. I'm like, here's it on the board. Who would they pick? I'm going through all the names.

And I'm like, I don't. I think in that scenario, I think if they had to stay. Okay. I think they'd take Josh Simmons. You might be right about that. The way I landed on it, it was like a, I think it was something that was something that was something that was something to say. And I, we'll get to that on the 2 o'clock show.

Right. of course, yeah. I think what something to say and it was like, yeah, I think that this is correct. I think this is the right way to think about it. It's the way I'm now thinking

about the Eagles here at 32. With the whole Dallas Goddard situation, you move on from CJ Gardner Johnson. I think this is a team that's trying to get every value out of every dollar spent possible. Now, maybe the, you could argue that the draft, especially a first round pick,

is different than a veteran contract the way we're talking about. But to me, like, because we're not talking about Josh Simmons as a guard at any point. I haven't heard anybody talk about that transition. and I don't know that I love it either. I mean, I guess it's not out of the question,

but I haven't heard anybody say like, oh, yeah. He can play guard early. But he could play guard. Maybe. I don't know. Why couldn't he play guard? I know. I mean, if McCaibetton can play guard,

why couldn't Josh Simmons play guard? The fact that no one's talking about it makes me wonder if that has been discussed with it, and that's not something. I feel like no one's talking about it. I'm just because he's a great tackle. And everyone's like, this is a left tackle. This guy is a left tackle.

And everybody needs a left tackle. tackle. But if you don't need a left tackle, of course he could play guard. I've been meaning to actually text Brandon Thorne to get his thoughts on that. Because maybe I'll do it in between shows. We'll talk about it to a clock. Okay. But I don't know that they would draft a guy that would be a tackle only like that's maybe it's not Simmons. Let's say Simmons goes to Kansas City and then Simmons isn't on the board. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Josh Connerly. Like I don't think Connerley would succeed at guard early on. I think that was the he's much more. Yes. So that would be one that I'd be

worried about. Kelvin Banks Jr. I think same same kind of deal. would you want to give that level of asset and pay money for a guy that's only going to play tackle and he's going to sit behind I do think it's an area I think they need to add a tackle.

I disagree with this way of thinking. I think you are right to disagree with it. I wonder if that's the way they think. No, but I also disagree that it's how the Eagles. I think especially with respect to the draft. I don't think that's how that operate. That's where I went back. I think they make,

we need to squeeze out every dollar spent in free agency. and with the roster to allow us to be able to set the roster up to be its healthiest in the long term. I think that's how they think. I think that that is probably right. But yeah, there's something, something, the way that she'll set it a couple weeks ago,

I was like, yeah, that got me going down the path. But I still think, too, with all the options you laid out, I was like, all right, but if there is somebody, if there is somebody moving down four spots and if there were five guys, they'd like, certainly they would love to do that. You know, the Jaguars, they passed on Will Campbell and Arm on Menbu,

in my, at five overall. So I'm like, okay, this is a team that could be interested to move up and select a tackle. Let's see if they can make that move up. And so literally like first thing Sunday morning, I'm like, all right, let's do this. They're going to make this trade and off I went. Okay. And so you have the Jaguars.

Takuars trade up and they take Josh Simmons and then the Eagles move down to 36 overall. And take? They select Nick Scorton, the pass rusher from Texas A&M. This was a player that was in for a visit late last week or middle of last week. I like Nick Scorton's film. You know, I didn't love his film, like, in terms of, like, top 15, top 20.

But I think when you get to this point in the draft, I think it's a perfectly fine pick. Even if they picked him at 32, if he goes off the board at 29, if he goes, you know, somewhere in there, like, I think that's a perfectly fine range for this player. I like the profile, extremely young, violent, competitive, good kid off the field. You know, I think the tape last year was not as good as the tape the year before, but we talked about it on the yesterday show the context behind that. So yeah, I think that I'd be fine with this pick if that's the way they went. Okay.

Even at 32. I think it would be a, they couldn't get an offer that they liked, hold your nose and take him. But I think it would be, it would be an okay swing. Yep. All right. You can read the entire seven round mock draft on all p.hly.com, become a diehard. I got a few questions left, but make sure that you check that out. My first question, friend, is do you think you can guess what my favorite player team match that you had was?

And it's one when I saw it and I was like, oh, that is perfect. I'll give me, I'll give you five guesses or you want to do like a, you know. Is it Willie Lampson? No, but that's good. Okay. Yeah, give me one hint. It's a team that we discussed already in terms of the kinds of players they might want to draft. Dionne Walker to the Browns.

No. It's in the division. In the division. Cowboys? No. Oh, who was it? Commanders. Okay.

I believe in the fourth round. Right. Drafting Cam Scadabo. Oh, yeah, great. That's a perfect. Yeah, that is exactly who they're going to want to draft. And so Bo Brock asked me, because they asked him on PH&X. They asked me about Scottabob every week.

And Johnny wasn't even on this week, but Bo was like, I have to ask about Scottaboo. But where is he going to the mock? And so when I shared it, he was like, oh, man, he was like, that's perfect. It's perfect. It's exactly where he's going to come. And he was like, and Johnny is going to be especially pissed by this because he's going to Cliff Kingsbury. And Johnny hates Cliff. So it was, yeah, so that one fit.

And honestly, like, as I was looking, I was like, man, like, because Skadaboo was one of those players, it's like a souped up Kenny Gainwell where like, you know, depending on the year, like Kenny Gainwell, oh, sometimes he's the third down back. He could be the goal line back. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I view Scadaboo. Like I said, a similar kind of archetype. And when, you know, right now, the, yeah, like you have Brian Robinson who's going to a contract year. You have Austin Echler who's on the back end, but they can do what they did a lot of that pony like two back stuff last year.

So I think that Skadaboo could pick up some of that. But then next year maybe become the full time back. And if not, they draft above him and he's still a change of pace guy. I thought it just made so much sense. Perfect. Yeah. Absolutely. Thank you.

There are some. That's why I love this exercise though. You get to some of those in like round three, round four. Like, this is just a perfect. And sometimes you say like it's too perfect, but a lot of those fits happen. Like, you know, draft weekend, I'll be sitting here. We're sitting here on day three. It's something to happen to the round five.

And I'll be like, oh, man, that is a perfect Ravens pick or, you know, whoever it is. It'll be, that's the fun of it. I will always remember my best mock draft moment ever. Okay. My freshman year of college, I did a three-round mock. Wow. And predicted that Maurice Claret, who was considered like, this guy's going to be a day three pick, you know, after, you know, taking the year off or whatever.

It's like the Broncos are going to take him with the last pick of the third round. Like, that's, like, they have the, uh, the hubris to think that they're going to get the most out of him. And I remember like I was, we were, we were watching the third round. You know, had a couple pops. And he, they, he picked, I got, I got so excited. It's like, I can't believe that I nailed that. That's, that's fantastic. Um, my other question for you, before the show started had a, had a message from our friends at punt-alytics.

Okay. Oh, yeah. 257 picks, not a single punter. Or kicker. Or kicker. Yeah. Um, I know. I'm sorry.

Uh, I wish. I could say it was an accident. Yeah, I have not, I have not done that in the past. And I, I don't foresee myself doing it in future iterations of it. Just because it's just hard to decide who, like, who's going to actually do it. But if you know that they're, I mean, when the punt god was not. Right. Like when you knew he was going to get drafted, you're going to put him somewhere.

Like if there's a kicker who you know is going to get drafted. Yes, which this year, I haven't dug into the king of enough to say like, oh, yeah, but everything I've heard is like, oh, yeah, there might be one or two that go, but nothing to that. extent. Okay. What else you got percolating in your mind ahead of the next seven days of content? One thing I felt was interesting going through the exercise. We've talked about like

talent at the top of round one. A little bit lackluster. You get to a certain point. When I got to like the middle to late stages of round two, I started to look at this and I'm like, oh, I don't like the value for a lot of these teams. So that would be another one where like

if you're the Eagles, if you're whoever, Is that a trade up spot? Yeah, is it worth going down from 32 so that then you can then go up from 64? Yeah, that was one thing I walked away feeling. And, you know, there are some people that disagree. I was honestly, I don't think it's off the record to say that. I was talking with Dane about it this morning and shared that.

And he was like, you know, I started to feel that way like late in the third round, or sorry, early in the third round. So a little bit, it was probably like 20 picks later. But that's where he was like, yeah, that's where I felt like there was a little bit of a drop off. But that was one of my other big takeaways from the exercise was, you know, maybe it's there's that meat of late round one

into middle of round two and then a little bit of a drop off and then it levels off again in the middle stages of round three. Was there, as you went through it from an Eagles perspective, was there a situation that you felt like, oh man, this would be best case scenario?

I mean, you've got Nolan going like 17th or 18th. You don't think... You didn't talk about that, yeah. Like, you think there's a chance he gets to 32? I do think there's a chance. Yeah. I would say where I had him going is the high mark of where I think you could go,

that was a tip one. That was a like, yeah, they've, they've spent a lot of time with this player and a lot of the, how do I phrase this? They spent a lot of time with a couple, a few players last year and they drafted two or three. So like when they invest a lot of time with a player,

like then I would definitely pencil them in. So that's why I went there for a team that's looking for defensive like difference makers. I thought that made a lot of sense. And then the last one I'll ask you about Elijah Royo, who you have the Eagles taken in 64. This is an interesting one because I feel like if Warren and Loveland go early,

top 25, Mason Taylor's probably going to be the third guy drafted. Is there going to be enough runway for that fourth that end to even make it to 64? Yeah. Honestly, so I had Mason Taylor going in like the, I don't want to say mid-second round,

but it was like, it might have been like early 50s. And I'm like, yeah, he's going to, I got to that point. I was like, yeah, he's going to go earlier than this. And so if he goes even earlier than that,

if he goes 31, I'm just in saying, or if he goes 41, yeah, my guess as a Royal would probably go earlier than where the ends ended up going with them. But that's the nature of it, right? Like who would have got,

I would have guessed that Quinnia Mitchell was going to follow the Eagles last year. Sure. The draft is an exercise of runs, right? And so, you know, when you have the three guards go off the board in four picks,

you know, three safeties go off the board the six picks. Other positions are obviously going to fall. If tight end happens a little bit earlier, then yeah, my guess is Roya would not fall to 64. All right.

There you go. Well, we look forward to seeing how it all plays out. We will be live throughout the draft proceedings next Thursday, Friday, Saturday, right here on PHLY. We've got the Eagles show coming up at 2 o'clock. And then tonight, remember,

if you're watching this on Thursday, make your way to J.D. McGillicuddy's in Maniunk, 6 o'clock, the PHLY draft summit with Fran. and Cuzz and a whole bunch of characters popping in. It's been a lot of fun. Looking forward to checking it out. For Fran, thank you so much.

For Andrew for stepping in. I'm Bow. We thank you for watching. We will talk to you next Tuesday. We're going to do that finally the live chat bag. You say we. I mean, I'm not going to be here, most likely. But, you know, there's a possibility. And that'll be our final

pre-draft PHOI draft show with Fran Duffy. We'll have a few more after the draft is over to look back on how it all played out. Thanks for Fran doing all the heavy lifting. We'll talk to you next weekend. We'll talk to you next week. Like the mayor.