PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Front Office TURMOIL: Eagles Lose Jenga Pieces Alec Halaby, Bryce Johnston | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

The hits keep coming to Howie Roseman’s staff, as Alec Halaby joins Bryce Johnston and Jeff Scott as departing members of the front office. How will Roseman build back a staff that has been the envy of the league? Plus, what do the extensions mean for Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith? Will the Eagles make a veteran FA move? And what do you need to know about the Eagles’ class of UDFAs? Plus, insight on seventh-round DT Uar Bernard from Mark Dulgerian of the NFL’s International Pathway Program. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast on a Tuesday afternoon, Bo Wolf. E.J. Smith, live from the Expediting Studio and presented by Ashley, coming up your way with a big old show. How are you doing, E.J? I'm doing great. We do. We have a packed show. We got a lot of topics, a lot of good insight. So, yeah, I am very excited for today's show. All right. We got a lot to get to. Let's start, my friend. with a Wawa Wednesday and the big deal because we'll focus on the on-field stuff first. We're going to get to what's going on with the Eagles front office. We're going to talk about an impressive class of undrafted free agents for the Eagles, maybe stork rank their likelihood of making the team.

And then we're going to be joined by the NFL's International Scout, who has some really interesting insight on UR. Bernard and Joshua Wieroo. Mark Dolgarian, the International Scout. That guy. Great. What a life he got. I mean, I'm sure it is hectic, but what a great, what a crazy job. So be fun to hear from him.

But we begin with the Eagles picking up the fifth year options, EJ. Yeah. On Nolan Smith and Jalen Carter. What do you make of the decision? Yeah, it's not an entirely surprising decision on either front. You know, this gives the Eagles the both of the, yeah, both of those guys are under contract through 2027 now. The number that Jalen Carter is at is a pretty significant one. It's a north of $30 million.

for that 2027 season. So again, it doesn't surprise me that they picked up the fifth year option. I think, you know, reading between the lines, like this means that the Jalen Carter extension is not imminent, you know, if they had something that was, they'd expect to happen in the very short, in the short term, you would have expected them to work the fifth year option into that extension. So, but with that said, I still wouldn't be surprised at all if they, they signed Jalen Carter, especially long term after the fifth year option.

And they still have that optionality. With Nolan Smith, I think it probably would take a resurgent 2026 season before they'd probably come to the negotiating table for an extension with him. But yeah, I think the move made a lot of sense. It's one that I wasn't surprised by when I saw it after the show yesterday. Yeah, I think the Carter won, not a surprise, but only notable, as you said, in that this was not a situation where the first day they could, they signed him to a long-term contract.

Yeah, like the Devante Smith scenario. What do you make of that? Yeah. This is just tough to get a deal with Rosenhaus, or do you think there is some hesitation on the Eagles part of committing long-term to Jalen Carter? I mean, I think we've talked all along about this not being a straightforward decision with Jalen Carter. And for the record, it's north of 27 million in 2027, I should clarify. I do think it is a little bit more of a complicated decision.

And the fact that it hasn't happened right away at the first opportunity speaks to that. You know, the Eagles are typically a team that's very proactive about getting. getting these extensions done. It probably is a little bit of the Drew Rosen House tax. You're not going to get a team-friendly deal when you're dealing with an agent of that prominence. But I still would be surprised if the Eagles don't make an effort to extend Jalen Carter at some point.

Let's call it the next 12 months, especially because at this point he is going to have a big cap number in 2027 that I'm sure they would like to spread out over the course of a long-term deal. I can't answer right now. Brutal. I mean, we've got a lot of irons in the fire. We've got a lot of guests.

We're trying to line up. Couldn't land one now. He's never called it. It's brutal. But yeah, I would say that with Jalen Carter, it would still surprise me if they don't work out something long term. I think the fact that it hasn't happened yet does speak to the fact that this isn't a straightforward decision.

It's a big contract that you would be paying Jalen Carter. And I think that there are enough question marks about if you're ready to do like a five or a six year extension with the guy like that. And then how about? Nolan Smith, any surprise at all that they picked up his fifth year option? I'm not surprised they picked up the option. So he is due a little over 13 million in 2027 because of the fifth year option. That's more palatable. It's more, it's more manageable number considering the positional value that there is at edge rusher. You know, 13 million for a fringe starter, starting caliber edge rusher

is not a bad deal. So for that reason, I'm not surprised I picked it up. I still think it would surprise me if they extended Nolan Smith this offseason though and for that reason yeah I think it would take a 2026 where he looks more like he did in 2024 for him to get a long term extension from the team could be like a Derek Barnett type of situation where you're just going to let him play out his first his first contract and you feel okay about that the value you get out of five seasons from a player like Nolan Smith mm-hmm sorry let me just let me just copy this quick little, just a little, you know, we're juggling to some things. No big deal.

You know, I'll ask the chat a question while you're sorting these things out here. One of the topics of conversation in the auditorium at the Eagles facility before press conferences recently has been whether or whether or not Derek Barnett was a success as a first round pick. We've talked about on the show. Like we feel like he was a success story. Like not a success story. I think he is like the medium range outcome for a first round pick. He wasn't a bust. he didn't really hit his full ceiling as a player.

I think you know, I think you live with that outcome if you're drafting a player at that range in the first round. I agree. Yeah. Nolan Smith, what do you think of the comparison between Nolan Smith and Derek Barnett? I think that's a fair comparison. Yeah.

I mean, there's still time for Nolan Smith to ascend beyond that, but I think right now if you ask me... Nolan Smith's got perfect and stay healthy. Right. Yeah. And I guess with Barnett, it was really just about play. It wasn't quite as much about the health. I think that's fair.

All right. The Eagles, taking care of business, picking up those 50-year options. No huge surprise. But you need to know about it. Yeah, it's close to the book on the big deal presented by Wawa. All right, Jay. I don't know if I can remember. This is going to, you know what, I'm already going down a path that I don't really like here.

Oh. Because it's going to sound flexi. But like. Flexi. Yeah. more people who I know around the league have been in contact about the last 24 hours for the Eagles front office. That is a little flexing. Then anything I can remember.

Yes. Yeah. I mean. And that, of course, began with Bryce Johnson announcing that he's going to the Atlanta Falcons yesterday, joining Jeff Scott, who left earlier in the off season. also Ian Cunningham, the touchpoint there. And then today, the news that Alec Halliby, the assistant GM, who has been with the team for 17 years, is leaving the team as well.

A pretty significant period of transition for the Eagles front office. Yeah, absolutely. You can look at this a multitude of ways. I think the Eagles are never really surprised by people leaving the front office, especially for promotions in Johnson's case and Jeff Scott's case beforehand. But at the same time, there's really no way to sugarcoat it, like you said. We've heard a lot from people in the building. These are significant losses.

You know, Alec Halliby had been with the team for 17 years. He started as an intern. And I know that he can be a little bit of like a lightning rod for the outside world because he did have like a period where he was very much, you know, in the, the Eagle zeitgeist for his role in the organization. But he was one of the most respected people in that organization. He was mentored by Howie Rosen. and I think, you know, in the times that we've had opportunities to talk to him about draft prospects, or, you know, just talk to him in general, you can tell that, you know, he played an important role in the front office. So, you know, with Bryce Johnston, like, especially after losing Jake Rosenberg a few years ago, like, you know, this is a guy who was across all of the contract details over the last few years and a big part of their salary cap maneuvering. So significant losses, ones I'm sure that they expected to some degree, but still tough to replace those types of people.

Yeah, I mean, this is one where I think you can both overstate and understate the importance of these things. Yeah. Because from a 10,000-foot view, you would think, okay, well, as long as you've got Jeffrey Lurie as the owner and Howie has the GM, they should be fine. And Howie is always aggressive about restocking the front office, whether that's with XGMs like Joe Douglas, who was in the building, or, you know, having gone to poach Andrew Barry. brother, Adam Barry, who's now in the front office, and I would think takes over some of, fills into some of a Bryce, his responsibilities. Yeah. But I also think you can like really not fully understand how important both of those guys were.

Yeah. And have been talking to people in the building, you know, like, okay, let's say you get hired as a GM somewhere, however many years in the line. Like, who would you want to bring with you? like Bryce is the guy that that people would mention like yeah day one that's the person I would want and then Alec is like

I mean he has been in that building part of the secret sauce to what has made this the most successful franchise in the league basically over the last decade that entire time yeah um and I mean this this will sound

catastrophizing but you think about like AJ Brown is leaving. Yeah. Right? The offensive line is getting older. Alec Hallaby is leaving. You're pulling out little bricks from the foundation.

Yeah. And it's just a reminder that the team will not be this consistently good forever. And it's possible that, you know, three years down the line, we look back at this offseason as the beginning of the end. That's, I don't want to, that's, that's too negative. Let me, it's a possibility. Let me balance it out. Well, first off, actually, before I balance it out, I want to say that a sentiment I heard

earlier today is that Alec Hallaby was one of the most important members of the organization other than the people who play on Sundays, like, of the entire Eagles organization. I think Howie Rosen and Jeffrey Lurie probably clear that bar. But the thing about Alec Halliby that, you know, from covering the team, I think maybe sometimes gets, maybe just doesn't get understood as well as. as well as the people inside would know is that, like, you, a few years ago, including reporting that you have done, so very excellently, I would say, no, you either here or there. It was a good story.

Alec Hallaby has been known for being someone who, like, deals with the coaching staff and the front office and can, you know, I think that for the old school coaches, that sometimes wasn't received well, you know, like an analytics driven, you know, person in the front office, presenting things to them and explaining things. I also think the analytic focus of the Hallaby reputation is kind of old. It's similar to like what Howie had to bend off. Yeah. A little bit different because it wasn't analytics.

But yeah. Seven, eight years since that was like his main job. Yeah. But I would just like to add for, you know, context sake here that like I think that younger coaches and members on this coaching staff really appreciate what Alic Halliby brought to the table for them. It wasn't, they were not dismissive or, you know, resistant. to some of the forward-thinking things that Alec Halliby would present to the coaching staff. So this is a guy who had a lot of influence on the way the team was built, the roster in the front office, but also the coaching staff on how they viewed all of those things.

So he was an important member of the front office for sure. To balance out what you said about the bricks being pulled from the foundation, I mean, you've said it before on this show. And I think it was you've stated it very well. I'm going to keep giving the flowers here. like the Eagles especially Jeffrey Lorry and High Roseman they like to collect people and because of that there is always this

churn that you have where they've got people in the I would say maybe the secondary the second tier of the front office you know not necessarily the leadership tier but people just beneath that who are probably ready for promotions and probably ready for bigger jobs and honestly if it's not for these types of departures those people would probably leave anyway

you know there are a lot of talent I mean I'm sure you hear just as often as I do about some of the talented people who have sort of, I mean, who had hit a ceiling because of who was above them. And that is, it's a very human thing. Yeah. And that is also the going to be the structure of the Eagles front office as long as Howie Roseman is there. And that is not a bad thing. You know, the fact that, you know, I remember a few years ago, the Eagles weren't giving out the assistant GM title and they kept losing people because of it. I mean, Ian Cunningham, who's building the staff in Atlanta that looks a lot like the Eagle staff is an example of, um,

just how many people they lost because they weren't using that title. Now they use that title, but they're still going to continuously lose talented people from that building just by the nature of these guys want GM jobs. You know, these people want GM jobs, and it's not available for them in Philadelphia. I would also say, as it pertains to Alec, that, you know, he's had GM interviews several times

over the past four or five years. I don't think it reflects very well on the NFL that, and it's surprising. that he hasn't gotten a job. When you just think about like the the copycat nature of things and how like, you know, a Sean McVeigh staff gets rated,

a Kyle Shanahan staff gets rated. And yet everybody looks at the Eagles as having a model franchise. But from a GM standpoint, only the football guys get plucked. You know what I mean? Like Joe Douglas gets a GM job. Not that he didn't deserve one.

Sure. You know, Brandon Brown gets pulled and Ian Cunningham gets pulled. Maybe that's unfair because Andrew Barry got a job. Yeah, but maybe. I feel like it's a little bit silly that Alec Alic Alibir didn't get a job, but that's just my perspective. I would imagine,

and I mean, I can't know for certain because I don't know what the decision making was on the jobs that Alec applied for, but I would imagine he deals with a lot of the same things and how he dealt with, where it is hard to break the traditional way of promoting GMs, and he does not have a similar pathway toward that job to the people that often get those jobs, but I would agree with you. You're beginning at a place where not 32 of 32 owners would be interested in hiring you.

Right, exactly. So, no, but I mean, he's obviously a very impressive guy. It'll be interesting to see what happens next for him. Yeah. I don't know. we'll see what the Eagles do from a, you know, replenishing the cupboard standpoint. Yeah, my guess. I mean, maybe they go outside for some of these hires, but I do.

I think they've got talented people in that building that could be due for these types of promotions. Right. And this is also like, you know, I think we have even less insight into like Bryce Johnson pipeline. Yes. Yeah. That's a tough one to find out. Yeah. Although, yeah, I mean, you're plugged in.

You might know. Yeah, all these people around the league texting me. Okay. Well, yeah, an interesting time for the Eagles. An interesting test for Harry Roseman. Let's take a quick break. Come back on the other side. We're going to talk Eagles undrafted free agents.

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Eight players reported so far. So we're Stork ranking them? Sure. Okay. Now there's an in-depth breakdown on all-PHLY.com if you are diehard by Fran Duffy about all these eight guys. You should check that out. For now, I want to ask you.

Let's do a three, two, one. countdown. Okay. And we're going to say the person, the undrafted free agent we think is most likely to make the 53 man roster. Oh, well, that's, that's okay. Okay. All right. Most likely to make the 53 man roster of the eight players who have been added reportedly, the Eagles have not announced these soundings yet. Um, are you ready? Yeah. All right. On the count of three, one, two, three. Rocco, Underwood. Who is Rocco Underwood, you ask? Rocco Wonderwood is the long snapper.

The Eagle signed from Florida. That's about all we know about him. He's a long snapper, and he's the only long snapper on the Eagles roster. Did you see what Franz make it trait was for Rocco Underwood? Long snapping. Better be his long snapping. I really enjoyed that.

Now Underwood, interesting name. Yeah. It's called him Sack, I believe. Okay. What's interesting about his name? I'll let you get there. Let's move on, yeah. Okay.

I don't know that we have much else to say about Rock and Wonderwood, but he enters camp with a real chance to make the roster. I mean, it's him against the rest of the league. It's because it's like, he's like, he's down there, right? Is that the significance of the name? Again, I'll let you catch up. Now, beyond Rocket Wonderwood. Yeah, can we do it?

I have a guess as to who your number two most likely player is. Yeah, you probably know who it is. Is it Darwish? It's Darwish. Okay. Let's talk about Darwish. For those of you who are not here for the seven-hour show on Saturday, I'm not going to explain it.

But Darwish is Ole Miss, tight end, Dayquan Wright, 6-4-246. 23 years old, played two years at, Virginia Tech before the last two years at Ole Miss. Very productive. Yeah. More productive than Kenyon, Sadiq. Did not test in the pre-draft process. So you would take that as maybe not the world's best athlete.

But boy, you watch him. Real yak juice. And I don't know how much of that is just the result of the offense that Ole Miss was playing. But boy, he's excited. to watch. Yeah, I was surprised that he didn't test because when you watch him, yeah, he has some decent straight line speed, you know, with the ball on his hands after the catch. And, you know, I was reading through France draft guide on him. And he's a former basketball and a track athlete in high school. So I think that shows up. He's really a fluid mover. He's also kind of like,

it's getting harder for me to defend Howley Roseman's like, like, we need a more diverse skill set in the room because like this guy also seems like a work in progress as a blocker. There's another signing that makes me remember that conversation with Howie, and he was lying about something else. Okay, good to know. But yeah, to me, he is exactly the type of undrafted free agent tight end that you usually, well, I guess you could bring in like a straight up inline blocker. But if you're trying to take a flyer on somebody with traits and athleticism to be a receiving tight end, I really like Dayquan Wright. You know, he was somebody, you know, as the day three viewers would know, we'll know, he was someone we thought the Eagles might end up drafting to get him as an undrafted free agent. was a good a good addition and he's going to be a fun guy to watch during training camp um yeah

i think he's got a real shot yeah to make the roster now you think about the roster how many could they take realistically for max right yeah so goddard and obviously stowers are are going to make the team johnny munts making johnny once probably make but he means he's going to stay healthy um and then so you know i said deacon right versus grand calcutera versus e j jenkins but honestly is Cameron lotto versus everybody else well camera camo out two can sneak on as a fullback um dayquin right uh versus grand calcutera you probably sell me on dayquan right we'll see we'll see what looks like in camp yeah you would want to take what he looks like cam yeah you know calcutara's on a one-year deal right i was say that there's at least some upside with him um yeah he's a fun player i like him

i like take one right i think he's got i think he's got a real chance to make the team yeah i was gonna make him put him number one in my store cranking not most likely to make the team because your boy, Lee Underwood, is probably number one for me. Oh, is it not Lee? Rocco. Rocco is a great name. Yeah. Rocco is a great name.

Yeah. Rocco Grundle. I know what that means. Thank you, Lindsay. All right. Who would be next on your list of most likely to make the team? I like Deonté Lawson from Alabama. Okay.

I like Deontay Lawson too. He is the guy that I think most people would have expected to sneak into the end of day three of the draft. He was Franz, linebacker 14. Dane Bruglers of the athletic linebacker 21. Yeah, he checks checks boxes for the Eagles. He's a former five-star recruit. He was a green dot player for the Alabama defense,

a three-year starter. And he, to me, is like where, because, you know, most people would look at this profile and say, like, this is not the type of player. E.J. Usually gravitates toward, but we've talked before. With linebackers, like a lot of playing experience and instincts, you know, that a lot of times can win out over,

like just raw physical training. and he is not someone. He's a below average athlete per Fran. But again, a player who's played a lot of football. I thought, like, as a Jeremiah Trotter type, like Jeremiah Trotter Jr. type, I think he makes a lot of sense. Yeah, and this is precisely the type of undrafted free agent profile

that sticks around, you know, a linebacker who's not a great athlete but has a lot of experience and good instincts. I mean, it sounds like T.J. Edwards, right? Yeah, I'm always worried. Like, just like I was surprised, he did the Reed Blankenship comp for Paul Wozzy.

Yeah, of course, I'm not throwing that on him. But, you know, that is the, that is the archetype. That's the bucket that he would be in. The green dot, as you say. Now, he's got like, he's a little bit skinny wasted, right? So he's not, he's not a thumper. Yeah. Necessarily.

But there's absolutely a big opening for a linebacker to make this roster. Yeah. You've got Bonn and Jehad Campbell, Jeremiah Charter Jr. and Smile Mondin. And that's it. Yeah, that fifth spot. So now the thing is, there's a wide open opportunity. If he's not a great athlete, is he solid on special teams?

Well, it's notable that despite being a starter and the green dot player, he was playing kickoff coverage, pun coverage as a senior this year. Yeah. So a guy who embraces that role. Yeah, I mean, he's been at the center of a very prominent defense at the very least and oftentimes a very talented and productive defense. So I like him. I think he probably is there probably their.

probably their biggest name, free agent signing, undrafted free agent signing. I mean, yeah, Darwish too, but. I think that I would, I think I would say that he's got a better chance to make the team than Darwish, just because of the current. It's an easier pathway. Place of the roster. He's got an easier time to make the roster. There's a chance they both make it.

I do too. Yeah. All right. Who would you like to talk about next? I like Jaden Roberts from Alabama. That's a good one. And this is where, this is where I think how he was, also lying because movement skills over he was taught we talked about like you know is in in this offense

is there any change to the way you evaluate offensive line anything you want and he said not really push come to shove maybe we would want a little bit more athletic ability and then they draft micha morris who i mean he is a good athlete but yeah he's a big hulkin guy as a guard and then signed jaden roberts and those are the only two guys the only two bodies they brought in on the interior offensive line. Jada Robert 6.5. 345. He is a monster of a man,

23 years old. The technique, I think, reports are leave a little bit to be desired. There's a reason that he lost his starting job as a senior this year. So three years of starting sometime, full-time starter his junior year, but only four starts this year.

Kind of 5-2-6-40. This, I mean, this is a, like a Juan Castillo type guard. Yeah. Now, do you want me to explain why the future might be bright? Ah, like Jaden Robbins. Presented by our friends at Shady Ray's. Thank you very much. The thing I like about Jaden Roberts, I hear what you're saying. It's also hilarious that Howie Rosen brought on all these like massive offensive tackle prospects. It's like, do you want like any athletes on this office? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. But I mean, this is a guy who was on Bruce Feldman's freaks list. He is 6-4-33. Like, yes,

I but these are the types of offensive line prospects I I think make a lot of sense now in a post Jeff Soutland world there's more questions about a guy like this but you can't teach somebody to be six four three hundred and thirty three pounds with real real real explosiveness so to me the techniques the technique side of it that's like that's what the coaches are there for so to me I still will be very interested in like he is so this is a one to one competition between him and Michael Morris yeah I think that's fair um I mean yeah it's hard to envision both of them being on the roster. Yeah.

But I could see both of them sticking around and maybe it is, maybe he's like an interior offensive line version of like a Cameron Williams or a Holland Pierce where it's physical traits. Keep bring him, let him hang around the building and see if in a year or two's time, he has some of those technical deficiencies ironed out to take advantage of his place, his size and what he should have in terms of play strength. He has only played right guard at Alabama. I believe so.

Question about whether he can flex to the other side, but something to follow on. camp. Yeah. All right. Then the Eagles signed three safeties. You're going to love and you love one of them, I know. Three different guy. Old Mrs. Capena, Gashicken, Washington states

Tucker Large and Woffords, what is that so funny? I mean, Tucker Large is a kind of a funny name. Okay. Keep you going. Wofford's Maximus Pully. I mean, you want to talk about a collection of names. Maximus Pully.

Maximus Pulley. Tucker Law. A refraction period on that guy. That guy can just keep going all day long. I don't know all of these phrases. I think the most interesting of the three. I've used Urban Dictionary more in the last eight months than I have in my entire life with you, man.

I think the most interesting is Gishikin. Yeah, he's fun. Yeah, he's a football player. Who is very small at 510, 189. and is a 24-year-old as a rookie, but he is an amazing athlete. 433, 40-yard dash, awesome vertical jumps.

Two and a half-year starter, started at community college, then two years at Washington State, the last year at Ole Miss, from Hawaii. Cool, like, if I tell you that he is small and rocked up and super fast, you can sort of picture exactly the kind of player he is.

Has some nickel flex. I think Fran wrote that, like, the coverage instincts leave a little bit to be designed, but kind of has the makings of, you know, maybe a game day elevation to help you out on special team. I was about to say, this guy, he has special teams demon written all over. Now he's smaller. Like, you have to make sure that you can hold up against NFL athletes in terms of the physicality. But he kind of, like, this is a weird comp to pull here. And I just did a Sydney Brown comp to some other, to Eli Stowers. So I don't want to overdo it. But he is kind of like a miniature version of

Sydney Brown. Yeah. And for that reason, I hope that the Eagles view him as a slot corner instead of a safety. Because I think, I mean, just from the sheer, from the Sydney Brown experience, it's like, it's hard to piece together all of the attributes you need to be a deep, a deep safety if you haven't played there. And you are like a C-ball, get-ball, aggressive type player. But if, yeah, I think he, he, the thing I like about him is I think he will have multiple

bites at the apple because I think he has real special teams value. Yeah, he'll be a fun one to watch. Tucker Large from Washington State 510 189 Did not test the pre-draft process So you wonder about that Started his career, played for a while at South Dakota State And then goes to one year at Washington State And then his vote of the captain

So it tells you a little bit of something Not a lot of highlights available Yeah, I could not watch him So I was mostly just going off of the bio I mean, we'll see Could one of these guys be a Another read blankenship comparison player Somebody who just kind of wows you in training camp, it's possible.

So I think that's his best case scenario. His coverage instincts are the potential make-it trade. He's got probably the best instincts of the three might be leaving the most to be desired as an athlete. And then Maximus Pully, as you would expect, very aggressive. Downhill aggressiveness, Fran says. Could be his trait. Start his career at Western Kentucky. before going to Wofford

511, 1197, so he's a little bit heftier. I don't know, I'm a little bit interested because they've now got, in theory, seven safeties. Yeah. Right? With Maccuba, Epps, Michael Carter, Paul Wisniewski, and the three guys they signed.

Yeah. I wonder. Oh, there's four then because there's J.T. Gray as well. J.T. Gray. Mm-hmm. So I wonder if Pully is someone that they maybe will try to convert to a, finebacker. Okay, I was worried that was going off the rails here. Um, possibly. It's funny,

Fran called hit or compared him. Yeah. To Sidney Brown as well, a less explosive Sydney Brown. Um, so you're saying this is a Nate Gary type experiment? I think if I had to pick one, it would be him. Okay. Yeah. Maybe. I mean, or they're just hoping that he is that special teams contributor. And I think it makes sense to bring in a bunch of undrafted safeties. Absolutely. I mean, just to see if any of them can do the Reed Blankenship over again. I know that we keep throwing that around, but yeah, I think that it made sense. All right. That'll do it for The Future is Bright

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I'm the head scout for the program and, you know, we obviously have a support staff. But in terms of, you know, by title, I am the only scout for the IPP, yes. All right. So this is, this is very exciting. We can get some, some great information on two. of the most exciting new Eagles. Uar Bernard, the seventh round pick and also Joshua Wieroo

with Eagles signed as an undrafted free agent. And I believe you said about UR that he is unlike any athlete you've ever seen or been around. So take us through how he was discovered and what is it that stands out so much about him as an athlete. Yeah, I mean, UR, you know,

I think when the NFL first created the IPP program, back in 2018, you know, O'R is the type of athlete that we had in mind. There's 8 billion people in the world. You know, not all the best athletes suited to play football are coming from North America. They're based everywhere. So, yeah, I mean, he's from Nigeria. You know, he was playing club basketball and, you know, powerlifting, you know, over the last few years.

And, you know, someone a couple of years ago, one of his basketball coaches heard about NFL Africa, you know, being in town. And they suggested he'd try out. And so he'd actually attended a couple of the NFL Africa events. And he was too young for the IPP at the time. This year he was old enough for the IPP. We couldn't wait to have him. And yes, since the moment he walked through the door. I mean, listen, he's first team, maybe Hall of Fame off the bus guy. Okay. Enough of those pictures have gone around the internet, kind of see that. But even in the 10 to 12 weeks that he was a part of the program, he's developed physically, if you can even believe it. You know, and I think there's still more upside there. And then obviously all the other development as well. So he's really come a long way in just the 10 to 12 short weeks.

He's been with us. Now, you mentioned off the bus, the impression that he makes. And I can imagine that's a big part of the evaluation. But what types of things are these guys doing? And what is like maybe what was the drill where he went through where you realized like he has the explosiveness and the movement skills to go with that, that off the bus nature of just the way that he looks, I guess? Yeah.

So, you know, you see him right away and you're like, all right, he looks like a football player. He's a grown man. He's, you know, 20, 21 years old when he first saw him. And he's already a grown man. And then you see him run around. And, you know, it's little things like, how does he open up his stride?

What kind of burst comes out of his brakes and his cuts? And it's easy explosion. You can see the easy lower body explosion. And he's just a free. What we look forward, the IPP are the elite height, weight speed guys. You know,

those are the first boxes that we have to check. Just because these guys are going to be so reliant on their physical ability because they're making up, they need to make up so much ground compared to their peers in the NFL who have been playing football since they're five years old. So IPP guys have to have a physical advantage. And so just the explosive nature in which he moves is evident right away. So how does it begin at the start of, okay, this guy is, we think an NFL caliber athlete,

and as you said, has those advantages. How do we even decide what position to put him at and drill him there? How do you make that decision for a guy who's 65-306 and has these insane, you know, speed and testing results? Yeah, well, number one, you want to get, you want to find a great athlete. You want to find an elite athlete. And you kind of just go from there. So sometimes it takes us a couple of weeks into the IPP program to kind of figure out where, what is coming most natural to them.

Okay. On and off the field. You know, how is he picking up certain concepts? How is he getting in and out of certain movements, taking a certain coaching? So, you know, like I, at first, I'm like, you know, maybe he's an offensive line. Now, I will say that historically, IPP guys, they've, it's been an easier transition to defense, the defensive side of the ball. You know, not to not to play down the defensive line, but either there is less to learn and adapt to see, ball, get ball versus, you know, offensive line and working in unison and all sorts of things. So we just felt the most natural position for him would be on the defensive line.

In my opinion, you know, I see him on the interior. But he does have the athletic ability to move around a bit as time goes on and he learns a game. Now, the research I did before we have John here is that you spent 10 weeks with him in Florida during the IPP program, that process. I mentioned, like, you know, having that up close view of his progress. But I guess what's his personality? like, you know, like I'm sure a lot of Eagles fans are curious. What's, what's he like behind the scenes? What kind of stories can you tell us?

Yeah, yeah. No, so when I first met him, he's very quiet off the field. He's very, very quiet, very humble, you know, almost, almost painfully shy. But he's got to, you know, once he opens up, he's got this great smile. He's funny, man. He's actually really funny. And he really opens up. Once you get to know him a little bit after talking with him about.

with a few minutes, you really start to see the personality and he opens up. But what really was surprising, especially given how quiet he is at first, when he's, his sanctuary is the wait room, if you couldn't tell. And also just in competitive situations, he has a switch. You know, the staff at X3 were our guys were training at X3 performance in Florida for 10 weeks. The staff there, they also trained. the combine, combine players, NFL combine players. I mean, he would in his, he would get so loud and so intense in his lifting and just firing

everybody up in the room, in the gym. You know, the staff would would come to us to say, man, this guy, we love this guy's energy. He brings this place to life. So I think that's kind of a hidden, I don't know, hidden secret that, you know, the Eagles are getting in the type of energy that he brings. in competitive situations. So Eagles fans are generally familiar with the IPP, thanks in large part to Jordan Milata and him having gone through that as well.

Are you surprised that this is, maybe I'm framing this wrong, but are you surprised that the league let the Eagles get OAR? Well, I can say that there were a number of teams very interested in an OAR. and the Eagles, you know, they did a ton of work on them. You know, I was very impressed with, you know, the amount of conversations that we had with them. They were just digging and digging and making sure that they were going to be the right fit. I know that Clint Hurt, a defensive line coach for the Eagles, he had a great workout with UR and they really connected, you know, out at X3. and, you know, the Eagles, they had a plan for them.

And for us, you know, from our side, like, you know, we want to make sure as much as possible that we're informing our guys with enough information to make a good decision on where they want to go. If they make it as a PFA or, you know, if they get drafted, we want them to land in a place that has a plan for them. And, you know, that's what they're all going to require. And the Eagles had that infrastructure in place. And it sounded to us like they had a very clear vision for what they wanted to do with them. Now, I know that Jordan Milata and UR have already been in contact even in the pre-draft process. I imagine that Jordan Milata for you can probably be like a lofty bar for a lot of these guys. But what's your relationship with Jordan?

And what can you tell us about, I guess, the contact that UR and Jordan had before the draft? Yeah, Jordan's great, man. He actually joined us for about a week down in Florida. You know, we even had a beach day. you know, Jordan's such a, he's such a personality. And, you know, I told Jordan, man, he's, he was vital and, or critical in, you know, the development of our guys and sharing his perspective, but also bringing the energy that he brings. But also keeping it real with the guys.

Like, hey, man, like, this is what it takes. Like, we can be all friendly off the field and everything. But when it comes time of training, like, here's what it takes. Like, Jordan was actually working out with, you know, on the side, not with the guys, but, you know, on the side, just kind of getting his workouts in. But, you know, he's, he obviously, obviously Jordan, you know, loves the IPP. And, you know, he's, he's a great advocate for us and a great role model for all the guys coming through. And I know, O'R, you know, he had some conversations with O'R as well.

And UR's goals to be great. And so he's making everybody's brain on how he can be great. and so Jordan was one of those guys. And I would imagine that part of the experience that Jordan relayed is that, I mean, we think of Jordan now, he's this pro ball left tackle. I mean, it took him three, four years to get to like playable. So what do you sort of feel like is the road ahead for UR? What are the early structural things that he needs to add to like this brand new game to him?

Yeah, I mean, Jordan's very open about how, you know, he had to learn how to put on his helmet, you know, and where, you know, how to just navigate a pro building when he first came. So he's very transparent with that, you know, with the guys as well. You know, I think with O'R, it's number one, it's about the fit, right, and go into a place where there's a plan, which is what Jordan had. and which is, I think there's buy-in throughout the Eagles organization on developing not just the IPP guys, but they're practice squad guys, the bottom of the roster guys. You know, they are there to develop their players. And so Jordan was great and kind of sharing how that, you know, how that happens in the building and, you know, what they've done in the past to develop, you know, the roster top the bottom. So let's not shortchange Joshua Wirro here. And it does feel intentional for the egos to have brought these guys together.

Now, Wiru 6-4-244 and another guy with just insane athleticism, a 41-inch vertical jump, 132 inches on the broad, ran a 4-4-5. Tell us about Joshua as an athlete. So I've been speaking with Joshua since 2023. Okay. I found him researching rugby rosters, international rugby rosters. dug up some film on him and I started talking to him in 2023. He was too young for the IPP at the time.

What a fascinating job you have. It's so, it's so cool. Yeah. And so, you know, some of it is kind of recruiting, if you want to call it that, kind of sound the vision a little bit. But he was kind of at a crossroads in his rugby career and he's actually looking into kind of a track, you know, track opportunities when I first started speaking with them. But he's been on his own since he was 20 or since he was 14 years old.

You know, when you went off to boarding school and and just kind of traveling around the world to rugby academies and pro rugby teams at the highest level in Kenya and the UK. So anyway, when I spoke with him in 2023, he was ready to make a transition to football. He'd always had a fascination with American football, as everybody calls it outside of North America. And in 2024, I reached out to him again since he would be old enough for the IPP. And he actually had a goal of enrolling at Arizona State University with the goal of walking on that season. that ended up falling through and we'd stayed in contact

and we agreed on conducting a private workout at ASU last August. So I made the trip out there. He was kind of one of the late private workouts that I do. I do about 30 to 40 private workouts every year with guys on the short list on our wall list. It was probably the most impressive private workout

that I've ever done. Wow. Now, so we were using, Using ASU's intramural field is about 120 degrees out. We're sharing the field with ASU's marching band. Marching band practice. But, you know, we had portion of the field. I had him run a couple 40s.

He was in the low four fives. And that was with running over a guy with a bassoon. Right. At this time, he was a little leaner. He was about 229, I think, at the time. So he's put on some considerable weight. broad jumps you know 11 plus feet

but it was when we were doing some of the position work I had them do some of the kind of dip in dip and turn work and you just see the explosion and the bend at 6-4 you know we were about 70% of the way through the workout

and I already knew in my head all right we got to get this guy to the next stage here you know to see what how we can catch the ball how to run some routes you know do that and he actually looked pretty decent getting in and out of breaks.

But, you know, between, you know, me making up my mind already that we were going to, we're going to move forward with them and it being 120 degrees out. I'm like, all right, we're good here. You know, let's, I'll give you a call in about a week for the next steps. But since I've been with the IPP, since I got here in 2022, he probably has the best overall movement skills. Wow. The athlete that we've had.

And just a very smart kid, man. He's so resourceful. When I first met him at ASU, like he already knew the benchmarks that he had to hit to be considered in that upper echelon of edge NFL players. Okay. Just smart and resourceful and very conscientious and how he goes about his business. Now, having covered Jordan throughout his career, I know that that initial transition that these guys go through where there's a culture shock, there's, you know, being on your own that you have to contend with in addition to learning all these fundamentals of the game. How much do you think these guys having each other?

And also, Moro Jomo, I should mention, as a Nigeria native as well in that defensive tackle room. How much do you think that will help these guys kind of acclimate to their new environment? Well, first thing I'll say is, so this is the first year that we trained at X3 performance in Florida. We'd been at IMG Academy the last couple of years. But this year was unique. in that the IPP guys were literally training next to NFL Combine guys. The guys training for the guys like Jennings Dunker and those types. Mike Washington, they're all they're all at X3.

So they got to assimilate with Americans, American culture. Okay. The intensity it takes to compete at that level, the intensity it takes in that training. And then it was really cool just watching the Combine guys. take our guys on the side and watch film with them and answer questions like the Combine guys are really the college I'll call them the college guys they're really great about you know lending a hand you know to the IPP guys and so that was really unique and what's something that I really liked about our program this

year is that they had that 10 weeks to interact with you know high level college athletes that were going to be in the NFL next year so I think that's a unique advantage that this group has this year. And yeah, like you said, you know, having guys in the room to help assimilate, I think it goes back to that buy-in from the coaching staff, from the quality control staff, and then the players in that room. And we try to, you know, part of our developmental plan for them, you know, when they're down in Florida with us, is, you know, how to go about seeking out support and how to find a reason and how to be resourceful. So, you know, we, you know, we felt really good about where they ended up, you know, by the time they were done with our program there.

Do they have a good sort of back and forth with each other who are in Joshua? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, they were the two guys that had the most, you know, 30 visits and, you know, coaches working them out at X3 during this pre-draft process. So they got a little travel time together and a little bonding, you know, one of, you know, airplane bonding time and all that sort of stuff. And even before that, you know, they're both very easy to get. along with very different personalities. Okay. But they balance each other out, at least, you know, in our program in the 10 weeks,

they kind of balance each other out. And so you were, were you with O'R when he got to call from the Eagles? I was. Okay. Tell us about what that was like. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. I think he was having some connection issues initially with his phone.

Really? They were called my phone. It's like, hey, are you next to O'R? Like, we're trying to get hold. And I almost had, I almost gave my phone to O'R, but ultimately, you know, his phone ended up connecting. And so, you know, he was, he was locked into that conversation. I think if you hear it back, he's, you could tell he's very kind of locked into, you know, what they're telling them and, you know, are they going to draft me?

You know, what's this phone call about? And then he got on the phone with Coach Hurt, who he'd met with. He kind of recognized that voice. and that's when it became real to them. And then he hung up that phone and you saw that 40 inch vertical when he leapt for joy and started hugging everybody and almost broke me in half. And just, you know, it's just the elation. It's one of those things.

It's my first time being in a green room and, you know, at a draft. Okay. You watch it on TV and you see the moments with the families and, the elation, the burst of joy. And it's another thing to be there for that, man. Like it's, it's very emotional and just such a cool, cool to be a very small part of, you know, that guy's journey and all the guys he brought to the, to the draft. Just to see him take that, that next step and see all that hard work pain off.

Mm-hmm. At one moment. Very cool. Very cool experience. And then how about with Joshua? I imagine there were, there were several places offering him a, uh, spot what was that decision-making process like for him yeah um you know i was actually somewhat surprised that he wasn't taken late just based on the conversations that i'm with teams um he could

have easily been in that mix uh being draftable or being drafted um i know that there are several teams that had draftable grades on them and you know some of those teams had seventh round picks yeah it wouldn't have if he got selected um so hey man i told josh like you don't get picked the worst-case scenario, you're going to have a line of teams with PFA offers for you. It's not such a bad thing. I'm talking to his mom as well. She's, they're anxious, trying to figure out where her son's going to go. So we, you know, we took calls from teams immediately within a couple minutes after the draft. And he's having conversations of the teams. And ultimately, you know, the Eagles are the best fit for him. He decided that he decided that they had everything in place and that he was looking for.

and, you know, agreed to a PFA contract there. Well, it is a very exciting and very cool thing for Eagles fans to follow. And congratulations to you for helping shepherd these guys through the process. Yeah, a very small part of it. I'm just trying to get out there and, you know, offer these guys opportunities. And then it's all them from there, man. It's, you know, really proud of really our whole class for all the work that they put in. And obviously, you know, it's paying off for these guys.

And what is next for you? Do you get downtime or are you off just setting again next week or something? I started looking at the 2027 group a month ago. You know, already having calls with trainers and agents and players, you know, athletes all over and, you know, firing up the rugby film and the international basketball film and putting together that watch list. And it's we're all set in 2027. All right. Well, thank you so much.

Mark for joining us the NFL's International Scout. Good luck. Hopefully we get to talk to again next year. Eagles keep picking off the IPP. No, I appreciate you guys. Great coming on, man. Awesome. Thanks so much.

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Yay, why do I sound like Jerry Seinfeld? What's the deal with Thomas Wieroo? Why do I keep saying Thomas? I mean, that was high praise from Mark Delgarian. That was that was a... That guy. Fascinating conversation.

I mean, what a life, that guy. Yeah, what a life. What a, what a fun, what a fun, like job, but also, like, it must be a very challenging job to travel that much. So that's off to him. Fantastic. Super chat. Cachin! The nice donation says, what songs would you have on a shared playlist with Coach Siriani, Ejit?

What songs? Now, what? What's the context? Like, am I trying to cheer him up? Am I trying to, you know, just share with him with him some music that I enjoy? I'll tell you what. I will put on there the two songs that I saw him dancing to on stage at the Super Bowl after party when he was celebrating. Buy you a drink. T. Payne. Yeah. And a little.

Oh, yeah. And that's exactly what he was doing. Yeah. I saw the videos. Yeah. And Bobby Brown's my prerogative. I'm tired of that song in an Eagles context. Okay. There you go. Those are your answers. I'm going guitar stuff. I'm going to go, because I don't care as much about, you know, making him feel amazing.

Okay. So you're going to go, Tom is the Tank Engine? I got, Tom, it's the Tank Engine. No, I'm going to go, I'm going to go, who knows, by Jimmy Hendrix and the Band of Gypsies. and then I'm going to go He's going to turn that off So fast Oh, I don't care I'm going for music I like I'm trying to think of a really good

Like guitary No, you know what I'm going to go with a BB King song Which BB King song Am I going to go with though I'm taking my time with this Just Googling BB King songs No I just

Well the names are all kind of Is it called Love is nothing? No, is it called Love is it called Love nothing but the blues. Is that the song I'm thinking of? How blue can you get? That's the name of the song. Yep.

I'm going with that by BB King. Then what does it mean? It doesn't mean anything. It's just music I like. Okay. If you're trying to make like Nick feel great, you'd probably put like Hell's Bells by ACDC and something by Creed

because those are the songs he likes to play at practice. Yeah, that's true. I don't know if blue is the color would have chosen for you in this context, but. I don't even. I want to know why you said that. I'm not even going to put a second thought into it.

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