PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - How Can Howie Roseman Land Myles Garrett??

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

Fran Duffy is joined by the professor himself, Deniz Selman, to comb through the latest Eagles news entering the Bye Week. How realistic is a Myles Garrett trade? What are the ripple effects of the Michael Carter deal? Is this new-look offense here to stay? Are young players meeting expectations? Fran is hosting, so candy will be a part of the discussion throughout the show as well. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

That's right. We're back right here on the P.H.O.I. Eagle Show presented by our friends at Fet365 and Ashley, live from the Xfinity studio. I'm Fran Duffy, joined by my friend, Danais Salman. Danis. Happy Halloween, my friend. I miss that opening. I think, you know, that was great to hear. You know, the only other time, happy Halloween, by the way, back at you, the only other time that the two of us did a pod together was at the bye week. Now, I hope this doesn't scare people. people in 2023. Three? Oh no. And you asked me my main thoughts about the season. And one of the things I said was, what a time to be alive. The Eagles are 24 and three in the last 27 games with Jalen Hertz starting. We're never going to see something like this again.

And boy, was I wrong. I mean, not only did that season end in a collapse, but right away, like the very year after, like we had a stretch of 20 and one and winning the Super Bowl. Like maybe, you know, maybe we're going to have more of these times. I do think it speaks to the fact that it is we are truly in a unique time of Eagles football. And while we can pick nits and talk through, oh, why doesn't the offense look like this? Or what's the issue with the defensive depth in the back seven? All this team does is figure out ways to win.

It is crazy. I mean, it's been crazy. I keep telling everyone. I keep trying to get him to repeat back to me. Like, you know, when will you ever see this kind of run again? And he keeps saying never. I know, never. But we'll see. I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it'll just keep going.

All right. Well, we've got a lot to get to. We've got the latest trade scuttlebutt, trade deadline stuff. We'll get into that. We're going to get into this offense. Some of the changes we've seen over the last few weeks, is that something that's going to stay? We'll talk through some of the young players on this team. They met expectations. There's a lot to talk about, certainly, with this team. And we'll talk a little bit Halloween and have a little bit of fun as well. But let's start with the big deal. which, look, I mean, news that took over Eagle's Twitter yesterday was the fact that, I should say, Eagle's social media. All of the, the Digital Eagles world was set ablaze by a report

from Charles Robinson from Yahoo Sports. And then we were calling this the big takeaway, presented by Xfinity. I think when you're talking about this report with Miles Garrett, who's, look, I mean, one of the best three players overall in the NFL. To me, who are your other two? you said three yeah you're right I know yeah

that's a fair point um I mean should we say non-quarterback well is that what you're because I guess that's because you're talking about quarterbacks he might he might be the best non-quarterback

he's the best non-quarterback yeah he's the best I mean five sacks last week losing effort but five sacks or five sacks and real sacks not even just like clean up sacks I think when you're talking about a player like miles garrett to me like you don't need me or day is here to say like oh yeah really good player

worth three first round picks. That speaks for itself. The Eagles have a need at edge rusher. To me, like that part of it is a no-brainer. But Julia, let's take a look at the quote. This is the report from Charles Robinson, who, Dana, you know that I do a lot of work on the draft and like following stuff.

And one of the, yes, right. One of the things that I do is, you know, because there's a lot of reports that come around, you know, around draft time. You know, there's reports from insiders and reporters, national types, local types. I vet these reports and like kind of check

you know Charles Robinson is reputable Charles Robinson to me like I'm not reading this is like oh yeah like you know he's throwing stuff against the wall to see what fits to me like Charles Robinson is someone that if he says something like he did hear this from sorry this is this is the quote here

from Charles Robinson and I think the big thing that you can take away from this is that look Howie Roseman he's always he's gonna check under every single rock He's going to make sure that if there is a possibility that a player like Charles, like that Miles Garrett is available, he's going to check in on that. Here's the big thing. So the rumors out there, Howie would love a shot at Miles Garrett.

But again, I was told by the Browns, they are not interested in moving him. I think the Browns would be okay if someone wants to make a call in the running back depth and also defensive end depth, but not Miles. That last line is what caught my eye personally was the idea that, hey, you know what? I think that Howie probably called maybe there's a guy like Alex Wright, pass rush there for the Burns. Okay. Another player is like, hey,

like, by the way, what would it take to, to move Miles Garrett? Now, this makes you, okay, so my understanding of this is,

this is a reliable source, and that it's true that Howie would be willing to give up these picks. Yes. So it's really just about whether Cleveland would do it. Correct. Yes. And it sounds from the way you're talking about Miles Garrett, that you agree that it would be worth.

three first round picks? Yeah. I mean, I don't think that's, I think that's perfectly within reason to say three first round picks for a player like that. And if it's not, okay, and what if you include a good player? Well, that would be, that would be the big thing. And so I, I, because I'm not good with like the salary cap stuff. And so talked with Defop Sam Lynch. Sam Lynch. Yeah. And Sam is as good as it gets when it comes to like understanding like cap mechanics. And so I said Sam, I said, all right, let's say, hypothetically, this is actually on the table, which personally, I don't think it's on the table. I'm sure that how he asked, look, if you go back to last spring, Miles Garrett puts in a trade

request. Right. They said, we're not trading you. They sign up to that record breaking extension. He signs set extension and then is up unhappy a few months later. To me, that's equivalent to moving into a new house on a fault line and being upset after the third earthquake. Like, he knew what he was getting into. I get, like he's upset. You also signed that contract like six months ago. I don't think he's going to get traded. Albert Breer from Sports Illustrated did make a pretty convincing argument earlier this week,

writing a piece for SI where he said, you know, why it would make sense for the Browns to trade Miles Garrett? He's obviously he's an outstanding trade piece. You're in no way going to contend this year or next year. By the time you are ready to contend, you know, Miles Garrette's going to be 32. So try and capitalize on that best you can. I just, I would be shocked if he got to this point and he was actually available. Yeah, it'd be surprising.

I will say I'm not a huge trade deadline guy in terms of like how excited I get about the trade deadline. Maybe because I remember Golden Tade and Kevin Bayard and some of these trades that don't make me, you know, excited about what happened at those deadlines. Miles Garrett would be the, would be an exception, right? We can immediately change the defense. And, you know, the same way that you don't need me or friend to tell you guys that Miles Garrett is good, you probably also don't need this to tell you at the pass rush for this team has not been good. And, you know, this defense, which was the number one defense in the NFL last year, if you look big picture, right now by DVOA, which controls for schedule strength, this defense is 16th. And you look at all of the consistency type metrics, like series conversion rate, success rate, like the down to down stuff, they're even lower than 16th. those things. Like the reason they're 16th overall is because of red zone success, basically,

right, which is more noisy. And so, and then on the film, you see coverage busts after coverage busts and mistakes that you didn't see last year. And, you know, I always watch the, I think most people who watch film probably watch the sideline first and then the end zone. Yep. Watch the sideline. I take all the notes about the coverage and all that. And then I watch the pass rush and I take some sort of note about that. And this year, like way too often, the note is no pressure. Like no pressure at all, whether it's one-on-one rushing, whether they're trying stunts,

which they're doing more now than they did last year, the stunt rate's slightly up, you're still not getting pressure. Like the stunts aren't getting there either. And it's just like one really good edge rusher would change things so much. Like if you have Jalen Carter on the inside, Miles Garrett on the outside,

whether you put them on the same side or opposite sides or however you do it, I mean, this past rush would immediately change, right? And so it's a very exciting thought. But again, like, will Cleveland do it? what price? Yeah, exactly. How much are you willing to sacrifice how much of the future and all that? Well, like I said, I talked earlier with Sam, with Sam Lynch, and I asked him like, all right, like, hypothetically, could they get this done from a salary cap standpoint? And basically it was like, yeah, like there's nothing prohibiting them from a cap standpoint of getting this done.

Because, and this was some numbers that I pulled, just kind of looking at that contract. And again, like my eyes, not as schooled as Sam's, but very low cap hit for the team that would be trading for Miles Garrett this year. essentially be the vet minimum. Now, he's owed a lot of money in the next two years. I believe it was $73 million, if I remember correctly. So he's owed a lot of money in 2026 and 27, which you would be on the hook for if you traded for him. So, yeah, like even if you have big money players, like an A.J. Brown and the other big contracts that you have,

Jalen Hertz and Devante Smith, Sequin Barclay, all those big numbers already on your cap, they could fit Miles Garrett under the cap. The question would become, hey, you've got Jalen Carter coming down the pipe. You've got Nolan Smith coming down the pipe who's got to get paid. Jordan Davis is about to get paid. Nicoby Dean's about to get paid.

Reed Blanketchip's about to get paid. All these players on that side of the football that you want to be able to pay. You're not going to be able to pay all of them as is, much less if you bring in a player like Miles Garrett, even if A.J. Brown were to go, right? So those are things that you would have to really kind of reconcile. So it would make sense. This was the point that Sam made to me was if you were going to trade for Miles Garrett, you're probably sending Nolan Smith as part of the deal.

Rather, you are probably because just to get another young player off the books, you now decrease the draft pick compensation. You're sending the other way. Again, I don't think any of this is happening, but just talking about the realities of the situation. Yeah. So that'll do it therefore. We are calling the big deal, again, presented by our friends at Xfinity.

Now, Turkey's on it happening? Like five? Let's go eight. Let's go a little higher. Yeah, I was going to say. I mean, you said it's a reliable source, all those things make me, I'm going to say like 13. And again, the thing is, is like, reliable source.

Like, I believe that someone said that to Charles Robinson. Right, right, right, right. Like, Charles reports it if he believes that that, but we're talking like multiple layers of separation there in terms of like how this stuff is going to work. Now, there was another big, another chip that fell. I think that could impact the Eagles ability to trade for an edge rusher today. So the Miami Dolphins and general manager Chris Greer parted ways this afternoon.

I guess it would have been this morning. as reported by multiple outlets. So Chris Greer is on the outs. Why could that impact the Philadelphia Eagles? Well, the Miami Dolphins have a couple of pass rushers that could be on the trade block, guys that have played for Vic Fangio on the past and guys that would make sense for a team to try and acquire before the trade deadline. Jalen Phillips were former first round pick and Bradley Chubb, a player that played for

Vic Fangio as well out in Denver. And I think when you're looking at both Chubb and Phillips, you might look at the firing of Chris Greer and say, all right, well, this could help. It could expedite the ability to send out, or you could say who's answering the phone if you're calling Miami right now to try and get a deal done before Tuesday. But what are your thoughts on the abilities to maybe get a deal done for either of those two guys? Well, my first thought is, are these guys who are these guys who are these guys in the list of guys who like badmouthed Fangio on his way out the door? Like, are they going to want a play for Vindio? I don't know if that matters at this point.

Well, it might. I would say it might affect whether Fangio wants them. Exactly right. As much as he acts like he has nothing to do with any of the acquis. positions on defense. He's like, yeah, never heard of the guy. I just, I just play with whoever how it gives me, but it's hard to imagine that that's true. Yeah. I think that makes it interesting, though, in terms of, could they, could that make it easier or harder to potentially deal for one of those two paths? Yeah, that I'm not going to pretend to know, like, how that stuff would work and

what's going on in Miami right now in terms of how much they're valuing the present versus the future. Like they might be interested in picks because they know they're not going to be good anytime soon. But like you said, who's making that call? Yep. Whose future are we talking about in terms of, you know, career type stuff? Let me ask you this, though. Where do you stand when it comes to the Eagles and Howie Roseman? And if you're him, you're Howie for a day, are you scared to give up future assets for this team?

Or is that something where you feel like you do want to push your chips in and try and capitalize on this window? Yeah. So, I mean, I mentioned at the beginning of the season that as a fan, I think that the year after you win the Super Bowl is actually like a more valuable year than a random year. because someone wins the Super Bowl every year, but it's not every day that you have a team that repeats and gets mentioned in that kind of dynasty thing. So in terms of legacy, in terms of the history of the NFL, I think the Eagles winning the Super Bowl this year

would be more valuable than, for example, winning it in two years or something like that. As much as people say, like, you know, we had the parade, we're happy now. It doesn't matter. Like, for me, it's not like that. Like, when we lost that 2018 game in New Orleans, like I was devastated.

I was like, this was an opportunity to repeat and, you know, it's gone. I think in terms of how he's career and the way that he operates, one of the things that he's benefited the most from is his job security, knowing that he's going to be here in five years and willing to trade for future assets, willing to give up current assets. We know that he's done a really good job of this. So this would go against that, right? This would go against the idea of,

I'm going to trade my future picks to be good today. And so it kind of goes against what has made Howie good, which is that he discounts the future less than other GMs who know they're about to be fired. Right. But when it's a player that's, you know, if it's a player, I know we're not just talking about Miles Garrett anymore, but if it's if it's a player who he really thinks is going to increase the odds of winning the Super Bowl this year and let's let's say also next year, then I wouldn't be against it for that reason. Like I've been known to say like the future doesn't matter. We're all going to die in the future. Right. It's like, like, you know, are you going to? I mean, we are. We're all going to die. Right. So, I mean, just be careful about how far into the future you're looking. because you might not be around for it.

So I just think that I looked into the camera for that. You really want to make that point clear. No, I mean, so I mean, like, yeah, I think, yeah, three first sounds like a lot. Like, what are we going to do? I mean, it depends also on, like, draft picks tend to be a little bit overvalued in the NFL because everybody thinks they're going to make the right pick. But those three first round draft picks, they might be Jalen Rager and Andre Dillard. Right.

You don't know, like, who, like, what those picks are going to turn out. Like, not every first round pick ends up being, you know, Jalen Carter or DeVante Smith, right? So if you're trading for a player of, you know, a blue chip caliber, that should be a late first round pick. Exactly. It's a known quantity. You know, you know that he's going to be good. Yeah. So I'm not, I'm not, I wouldn't be against sacrificing some of the future with the understanding also that how he tends to be pretty good at getting stuff like that back.

All right. Well, let's talk through a trade that the Eagles did make. I want to get your thoughts on the new cornerback here in Philadelphia. The new corner, the new cornerback, Michael Carter from the New York Jets. Thoughts on the acquisition there? What does he play on the corner of exactly? Is it the corner of the field? Because, I mean, he's playing in the middle of the field.

Yeah, no. It is very upset that he's referred to as a quarter. I don't, strictly a nickel. I'm not actually upset that he's referred to as a corner because I know it's convention to call nickel's nickel corners, which doesn't actually make sense. He's not on the corner of anything. But I think that it was important in the first five minutes. for everyone to understand that this guy had basically never played on the outside.

44 career snaps on the outside, 21 of which were against the Eagles in 2020. Because they had, I think, Soss Gardner was injured that game. Somebody was injured. And so he had to play on the outside. But he has no experience playing on the outside in the NFL. He was considered one of the top nickels in the league. He was the highest paid nickel in the league, right? At one point.

But he's had all these injuries. And of course, what this really brings us to is the question of, is there a plan to move Cooper to Gene to the outside? outside. What's your thought there? For good. I mean, Fangio said, right, and his presser this week, he said if you take a player, when he said when you, when you have one of the better players in an important position where you get involved more, you hate to take him and have him be not as good or impactful at another position. Yep. And then when, when Zach asked him, at the very end of the press conference, he asked him, is it correct that it's actually easier to find the nickel

than an outside corner? He said that may be correct, but we haven't solved that here yet. Yeah. Which brings us to the question, was Michael Carter on his mind at that moment? I mean, he was traded for like literally that day as that solution. Yes. Like it's like we hadn't found that solution yet, but we're about to. He's about to come in the building tomorrow. If Vick's saying that, is it in his mind a solution? Now, you mentioned something on the show that you were on earlier this week.

The emergency pod that we did. Emergency pod where you said maybe Vicks got different packages planned, right? I think that's where they end up. You have a nickel where, where, maybe on early downs, where you're willing to have Keely Ringo on the outside and you keep Cooper on the inside as like a physical presence who can be a B-Gap defender in the run game. And then on third and long, you don't want Keely Ringo out there.

And so you move Cooper outside and you bring Michael Carter inside. Would Vic really do that is the question, right? Because you already have more base this year. So you're already subbing in and out more. You have the whole NCOB thing, like where you're moving, Todd Campbell from Edge to inside linebacker when you go from base the nickel. And now you're also going to have two different nickel packages. This is like so against what he likes to do.

Sean Sayyah talks all the time about how he likes to have people play certain roles and keep them in those roles, not be subbing in and out all the time. If you have two different nickel packages and you also are using a lot of base, not to mention they probably play more dime when you have Michael Carter, right? because that way you can play Michael Carter and Cooper DeGine inside in a dime package. Right. Now we're talking about like five different packages that you're using a bunch out for all of them. Like that's a lot of something.

What makes you think they'll play more dime though and take Nogh and Jihad Campbell off the field? That's a good question too. Yeah, maybe maybe not. I don't know. Well, if it's like third and forever, like are you going to be in dime or are you going to be in like so I guess that's the decision? One or two snaps of dime a week in the last month and a half with Perry Nickerson? No, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, like sometimes zero.

Like, yeah, it's a situational and it's almost always like third and seven plus, which often doesn't come up because this defense isn't getting into those situations as much this year. Yeah. But I mean, is there any chance that they traded for Michael Carter just to play dime? That's the other question, right? That would be very, very surprising. Unless, I mean, unless they said like he's going to be a future piece here, but that's a big number to keep that guy on if you're.

But what's going to change in the future? Because right now you have no obvious outside corner. And if you remember in training camp, right, you guys were talking about like, Cooper de Jeanne's definitely going to be on the field every snap. Yeah. The question is, how is he going to play in base? And it seemed like he was going to play safety. Like he was playing more safety than outside corner in the summer, right?

If I recall correctly. And it was like, well, okay, he's not going to trust Drew McCuba to play safety. He's going to use Cooper there, which means he must trust whoever it's going to be Adori Jackson and later it seemed like it was unclear whether it would be Adori Jackson or Jacori and Bennett. And it turned out he didn't trust either one. He had Sidney Brown playing safety and he had Cooper to Gene playing outside and based at the beginning. But my point is like now is as good a time as any to move Cooper to Gene outside when you have this huge hole outside. What future plan could you have for Michael Carter that wouldn't be a current plan?

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like how much worse could CB2 get than it is right now? So then let me ask you this. You had to put turkeys on. three options. Michael Carter is here to be the dime defensive back. Michael Carter is here to be the regular nickel and they're going to use a big nickel package. And Michael Carter is the full-time nickel.

How do you lay out those targets and those three options? With the fourth option being Michael Carter is like a depth beast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll do that. Well, I guess, I guess that would, dime would count. Yeah, dime would count for that.

Okay. You know what? I was already thinking it when you said it and so maybe I'm a little biased because like you saying it confirmed that but I'm going to put the most on the on the multiple packages

Yeah that's where I that's right Yeah maybe I'll go 48 turkeys on that and then like 30 on or 33 on full time and 19 on he's just dime

Yeah okay Yeah I think that's right I think that's right. I'll trust you as the professor here. I can't be Zach. I can't be using round numbers. No, of course not. Well, you brought up Nikobe. Let's talk through that a little bit. What were your thoughts on that rotation and how I know you've got some numbers on it? Yeah, well, Vic said that Jihad Campbell was working as a as an edge in nickel in practice last week.

Right. And he gave that as the reason that he didn't end up playing as much inside linebacker. I'm not buying. Which I don't know if that makes sense. It's like, like we're working. him at this position, which he didn't even end up playing. Yeah. Like there was plenty of nickel.

There were plenty of nickel snaps in the game. If he worked so hard at being the edge there, like, why didn't he play? Like Patrick Johnson was playing on the edge in, um, passed down situations at one point. On that long drive where they converted like four straight third downs, like Patrick Johnson was the edge pressure on those downs. Like, uh, just so people know, like the numbers before garbage time, Nikobi Dean ended up playing 23 nickel snaps and Jihad Campbell only played 11. And look, this is very anecdotal, and it's not like it's necessarily because of these players.

But the Giants had a 9% success rate when Jihad Gamble was out there, one for nine. The only successful play they had against Jihad Campbell and Nicol was a Jackson Darts scramble in the first quarter for first down. That was the only one. They were nine for 23 against when Nekobie Dean was out there, 39%, including those repeated completions on third down to keep that drive going when Nekobie Dean was out there. Now, part of it is they decide before the drive. Bobby King was in the mic'd up with Zach Bond last week where he's like, this drive and nickel, it's going to be you two. Which makes me think like, they decide before the drive,

it's going to be you the whole drive. And that drive went forever. It was like 14th place or something. So that juiced up some of the numbers for how long Nekobie was out there. I don't know, man. I don't like taking Jihad Campbell off the field. I don't love it either. Long term.

And as splashy as Niko can be against the run at times, like it's not obvious that the defense. is better with him out there in nickel. I love that he's playing base. And I hope he keeps playing base. For him, I'm really glad that he's awesome. He made that play against Minnesota.

He tracks the running back down. He makes the play in the flat. I'm like, man, that's awesome. So you've got to come back from that injury and come back to basically play the same way that he was. It's an awkward situation, but it kind of is what it is. And I'm like, if you know they're going to run the ball at this point,

and obviously you can't know this, But if you knew they're going to run the ball, would you right now have Nicoby Dean out there instead of Jihad Campbell? I mean, he's a better run defender right now that Jihad Campbell is. But I think it's better for the 2026 and 2027 Eagles of Jihad Campbell's out there on those downs. Yeah, I think that's right. And since, but now that we've invented this big nickel package, right? Yeah. Is that the one that's going to have Nikovi Dean?

You have Nikobe Dean and Cooper DeGine like in the middle of the field to stop the run. Correct. And then you have Jihad Campbell and Michael. Carter in the middle of the field when you know they're going to pass this is what they did in 23 yeah and it was a defensive coordinator who was a fan geo disciple and they had all that they had the penny package and they had Sydney Brown yes Sydney Brown and Big Nicol and then Eli Rick's come on to play yeah yeah and you had all the different combinations Bradley Robey right yeah it's a lot of talk through a lot of trauma there yeah I don't think that's the way he wants to play but I think you're kind of you

you had the play play the hand you're dealt there in that way I saw this is this is related to the that they used the corners, I saw there was like a metric that said that Quinyon Mitchell was matched against the other team's number one wide receiver, like more than any other player maybe, something like that in the last two years. It's been interesting to see the way he uses Quinyon from week to week. And I don't know if you, like, how closely you tracked it for this last game, but it was the hardest one to figure out. It seemed like he was playing to the field on early downs and to the boundary on third down. That seemed to be like pretty much throughout the game. And And it's just like there seems to be a lot of bending over backwards to hide CB2.

Right. Like, and one of the things that moving Cooper to Gene out there would do, I think, is it would, it would stop that gymnastics of like, how do we hide Keely Ringo? Like, how do we make sure that there isn't a bust on Keely Ringo side? How do we make sure they don't line up their top receiver against Keely Ringo and exploit him? Because when Quinyon and Cooper are out there in base, it's been left right the whole year. Quinyon's been on the left. Cooper's been on the right.

Like Vic trusts, and you know when Vic does that, it means he trusts them equally. and he wants it to be simple, you know, lining up and just playing fast. And it's been different not having that ability so far. So it's appealing to have a Cooper DeGene out there, but I hate taking the nickel Cooper DeGene off the field to put the outside corner Cooper DeGene on the field. No question. You need to clone the guy, have two of them out there.

I mean, that would be nice. Yeah, three of them, in fact. One of them can play safety. Well, we'll see if, I mean, you're in an Ivy League school. You can try and get people working on this. Oh, yeah. We got a clone factory in our, in our office. All right, well, let's, I'm doing a terrible job as host, by the way, because we are 28, 27 minutes in and we'll yet to hit our first break.

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Milk chocolate, dark chocolate, white chocolate. Oh, my God. We're not spending a lot of time on this. This is really easy for me. This is very easy for me too. Okay. Migrate white chocolate. I'm going to judge you on here. I don't even know what white chocolate means. Like, chocolate's not white, and it shouldn't ever be white, and that should not exist.

I would not stand for white chocolate. Migrate white chocolate without a doubt. So I'm migrating dark chocolate. I am nesting dark chocolate. See, my wife. Here's the thing. Here's a thing, Fran. I'm Turkish, okay?

Yeah. So as an example, when we drink coffee, we drink coffee. Like, we don't like, we don't put a little bit of. coffee and like a huge gallon of milk and call it coffee. Like like like I don't even know what that is or like mix it with water or whatever. You want the bitter. Yeah. And when I eat chocolate, I like to eat chocolate. So yeah. I mean, if I wanted to milk, I would drink milk. And the same thing is true with with coffee and with chocolate for me. Like it's like yeah. So you know, everyone's favorite gelato flavor when we go to like a gelato place. He's like that like super dark fondante like chocolate.

And he's like six years old and he's like ordering the fondante and they're like, are you sure? And he's like, yeah. So I'm very, I'm very proud of that. Julia, you got to pick on that? And I guess I have to peck the milk chocolate, but I mean only because. By default. Yeah, yeah. Hello?

I can hear you. We can hear you just fine. I don't like chocolate. Really? I don't think I knew that. Yeah, yeah. Wait, what just said? Oh, you don't like chocolate.

Yeah, growing up I used to. And I would say probably just milk chocolate and I would have nest. I would peck. white and migrate dark. But nowadays, none of it. See, this is part of my anti-milk stance. Like, you know, we were talking about cloning Cooper to Gene earlier. Cloning Cooper to Gene would be great because we need more dry cereal eaters in the

world. You know, and he's a confirmed dry cereal guy. He has his own brand of cereal, right? And so he knows about cereal. Confirmed, yeah, confirmed dry cereal guy along with me and E.J. I've never understood putting milk in cereal. It makes no sense. I mean, I understand it's the status quo, and therefore people think it's normal, but there's nothing normal about it.

It's like, and people are like, oh, do you put the milk in first or do you put the cereal in first? That's like asking, do you dip your pizza in the water, or do you put the water in the bowl first? And then, and then dip your pizza in it. And my answer would be, I don't dip my pizza in water because it's better without the water. And the same thing is true with cereal and milk. I just don't get it. You know, I wanted to keep the show short. I want to get home for trick-or-treating.

Like, you know, I'm sure like everybody that's watching. I'm not even going to address that. Julia, do we have that video that was sent to us? Uh-oh. So you mentioned, you mentioned DJ. Oh, yeah. Who's over? He's in Paris.

Yeah. I'm a little concerned that the E.J. that left is not the E.J. that's going to come back. Yeah. I'm a little concerned. What's going on? I know he's been sending back to the videos. Yeah. He's been sending back little videos here and there.

Yeah. Losing his mind. I think slowly is delving. Okay. I don't want to say like for the worst. I might not have seen the evidence here. What's going on? Yeah.

It's, uh, this last one, I was unrecognizable. Okay. We'll see. We'll see what was so. Julius got it. Yeah.

It's delving a little bit away from the Egypt. that we all know and love. All right. I'm very curious. By the way. Someone says I eat the soup, but just the noodles. Actually, that's true. When I go to the noodle place,

I usually get dry noodles. I don't get the noodle soup. Maybe I just don't like wetness. Unnecessary wetness. Nest milk chocolate, Peck, white chocolate, and migrate the hell out of dark chocolate for me, personally.

All right. Let's hear from E. Jay, across the pond. Just sweet, Paul, we see you. That's it. That's it. Hold on. Is that a real...

First of all, is that a real... First of all, is that a real hat? It looks like a photoshopped. It looks like a... Yes, sweet poiseer. I'm a little worried. Did somebody, like, make that with AI, or is that really E.J? No, that's really E.J.

Oh, wow. That's really E.J. It's his best life. Little disturbing. A little disturbing. I gave him some food advice. Curious if he was it. some of my spots.

Just, you know. It's like good food. Well, no, it's not. It's good French food that they don't dip in milk before they eat it. All right. Well, let's talk about this Eagles offense. A couple of weeks ago, you sat here at the desk with Bo. And we don't need to spend too much time on this.

But it was, I loved the show in the moment where you guys went through the six things, the six adjustments that the Eagles could make offensively. And Julia, we have the graphics. So here are the six things that you brought up, you and Bo brought up and talked through it. piece by piece. By my count, they've done definitely three of these and at least four to me. Like, I'm looking at that. I think there might be four. What have the numbers shown? That's what I thought, too. The numbers don't really support it. Now, I think, I think it's interesting to see like the difference between just counting things and perception based on the plays that stick out in the game, right?

Right. Because one of the number one is more play action. And the Eagles were at 19.6% play action in the first six games. Now, we had that show after first six games. There's only been two games since. So it's a small sample since. There's actually been less play action the last two weeks than there was in the first six. It's down slightly to 18.9. By the way, these numbers are all like bottom quarter of the league. You know, like 29th in the first six weeks and 26th in the last two. Right. Now, the reason we're talking so much about play action the last two games is because of the under center play action stuff. There were five snaps of undercenter play action in the first six games. The only successful play was a scramble in week one. In week seven, against the Vikings, the famous long

touchdown to Devanti Smith. There were two other long completions to DeMonte Smith. There were four snaps of under center play action. There were three against the Giants. There were actually four, but one of them got called back for penalty. So in the stats it counts is three. I mean, that 3.5 plays of under center play action

the last two weeks still ranks 22nd in the league. But the funny thing for us is like, it's like, oh my God, like what a wrinkle, right? Now, has there been more under center? Absolutely. Like it was 14% the first six weeks. That's ranks 30th.

And that's not even taking out the sneaks. And 39% the last two games, which is ninth. Now, if you're wondering what it's replaced, I don't know if you noticed, but the pistol's gone. Pistol was 13% the first six weeks. Zero snaps of Pistol the last two games. And so I think in their minds, the Pistol chapter has kind of been replaced

by the under center chapter. Some of the play action stuff that they were doing, like the dagger in the Super Bowl was like a Pistler. play action play, for example. I think that stuff has been replaced slowly, and it was only a few plays a game, and that's been replaced by a few plays a game of under center play action.

Now, does that count as using more play action? In my mind? Yeah, because it actually works. Like, it actually moves the linebackers. I think it counts as well. There was a play in the game last week where the linebackers moved up like six yards because of the under center play action, and then DeMonte Smith caught that crosser.

And like that just makes such a big difference that I think we can say that that is more play action. Should this team use play action? Yeah. I mean, play action, drop back success for the Eagles, 51%, non-play action, 41%. That's a pretty big difference. And the whole league does better with play action than non-play action, but only a couple points better, not like 10 points better. So I think more under-center play action would be great. If it could be even a few more plays a game, that would be great. Now, We know how anecdotal they are. What do you think about that 16-yard sack on under-center play action? Is that the last snap of under-center play action we ever see from the scene?

As someone who was, we'll say, invested in how many yards they acquired off of under-center play action last week, when they had that penalty on the first one that negated the Devante Smith catch and then had the sack, I was like, we are never going to see under-center play action ever again. That's right. No, look, that was a terrible sack. Yeah, no, it was bad. You can't have that. So I think they'll try and coach around that.

Here's my theory on this. Because one of the other items you had, I believe it was the sixth item on that list was the lack of QB runs. Right. I do think, and you guys said it at the time a couple weeks ago, that that is a conscious decision. We're not going to run Jalen,

whether that's call, coaches call, owners call, whoever's call, like organizational call, we're not going to lean into the quarterback run as much. I think if you are removing that element, and you are recognizing the fact that the offensive line is not, is not performing at the level that we've accustomed to see.

And you have all these other factors that, oh, you know what, this offense, why it's not quite to the level that we've come to expect in the first four weeks. Yep. I think that I might think that's why you got to this point where they started to embrace the under center play action because it was like, look, Jalen, like, if we're not running. If the run threat's not there to move the defenders, or hold the defenders.

We got to do so. We got to move somebody somehow. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think that is why the inching towards the under center play action and the under center runs have happened. That makes sense. I mean, to follow up on the QB run thing, I know I've talked about this earlier this year as well, but Jalen Hertz now has eight career games in which he doesn't have a single non-sneek designed run. Yeah. And four of

them are this year. There have only been eight games this year. And I think like in the other games where he does have one, like in two of them, he only had one, like only one designed run. Now, in terms of scrambles, I thought this was interesting too. He said that I think there was the, the game in Minnesota where there were a couple of successful scramble drills, the AJ touchdown. And then they play along the sideline. Right. And then the game before that,

there was the one where he tried to hit Jahan Dotson, but Jahan Dotson, like, didn't quite, you know, they didn't quite get on the same page early enough. And it ended up being an incompletion. And he said that week after the Vikings game that he has a lot of idle time in the pocket, and they want to be more aggressive with that time in the pocket going forward. And so he talked to the receivers, and he talked about ways to do that.

that and he thinks it's paying off. So I was curious about his scrambling. Like, is he scrambling less to run with the ball? So like a scramble, you know, by this definition, a scramble is when you actually run with the ball for positive gain. His scramble rate this season is around what it's been in his career at 8%. However, of his 22 scrambles, 16 of them came in the first four games, including nine in the first game. Yeah. And only six scrambles in the last four games. So I think there's the no QB design runs, but there's also the let's keep the ball a little bit longer, try to make a big play rather than try to run. And that could lead to more sacks. And he's getting sacked a lot. Right. So that's an issue. Which has always been the case. That's always been the case.

And it is this year as well. It's getting sacked 10% of the time, which is seventh most in the league. But he is, seems to be consciously trying to make plays, you know, like live longer for actual completions. He also has zero throwaways in three of his last five games. And his throwaway rate is league average this year. It's always been way above league average. So it's his career low in throwaway rate at 3%

by a mile. So I feel like Jalen's going through this evolution. And when we were texting earlier this week, I kind of compared it to the Jordan thing, like where like he knows he's not going to be able to be as dangerous with his legs as he gets older. And I wonder if part of the, you know, the the Michael Jordan like thing that he has, right?

Yep. I mean, he dressed is like Jordan. He tries to act like Jordan, right? He wants to win like Jordan. I wonder if at some point, he also made the decision that like, I got to develop that Jordan midrange jumper because I'm not always going to be able to blow by guys and whether we're seeing that right now. I, my response to you earlier this week, and I'll share with our, with our listeners and our viewers is I wondered last year if Kellyn Moore was going to communicate that same type of evolution to Jalen because that was the same evolution that Dak Prescott underwent. You know, when Dak first came into the league, he was a real threat with his legs. And then the, I mean, the injuries happened fast and furious with him.

And he lost a lot of his athleticism. And you saw him quickly evolve from running threat to situational running threat. Like, all right, now inside the 20, this is where you got to worry about the zone read and scrambles. And now he's just a pure, like, I'm only going to win from the pocket. And that's it. I wonder if that's something that was communicated to Jalen as well as like, hey, like, you're going to have to get to this point at some point. Yeah.

No thing. One other aspect I want to get to offensively that you had some numbers on was the throwing out of 11 personnel and throwing out of 12 personnel. Julia, there's a graphic, the differences between the 11 and non-11 personnel. The Eagles have had so much success this season when it's funny, considering what we've talked about with the tight ends and blocking, now a lot of this is taking into account like the 6-0 line stuff. But you can see the numbers on the screen, they have been.

so much more explosive and it's been able to create a lot of it because this is purely EPA per play. A lot of their big plays have come from heavier personnel sets. Yeah, I mean, success rate too. I mean, they've been more consistently better and also more explosive when in heavier sets. A lot of the big plays they have the season are out of those heavier sets. And that includes like the Fred Johnson stuff, but it also includes just regular 12, 13 and so on. Now, in terms of taking my advice, hasn't really happened. I mean, like the, the, the pass rate out of 11 personnel was 74% for the first six games, 69% the last two. But when you look at neutral situations, exactly 61% both before and after my suggestion. And then out of non-11 personnel, the pass rate

was 39% in neutral situations before my suggestion, exactly 39% the last two games as well. It's hard to get the exact, like exactly the same when you have so few plays. And yet they've managed to not change that pattern at all. So there's been almost no change at all. However, they are doing it better and more effectively, right? Like, and we see those big plays coming out of those heavy sets. Now, for the season, as you mentioned, and as the graphic says as well, the Eagles are just so much better. They have their first in the league when not an 11 personnel in EPA per play.

They're 21st when they're an 11 personnel. They're third in the league in EPA per dropback. People are like, oh, those are just the touchbushes. No, it's not. If you look at the past plays, they're third in the league, in EPA per dropback, and fourth in the league in dropback success rate, when in heavy personnel, that goes all the way down to 20th and 28th in 11 personnel. Now, I was going to ask you, why do you think this is?

I mean, do you think it's like getting matchups? Like, we know it's not because Grant Calcutera is like a great second tight end. Like, that's not the reason. No. So what is it? Cam Latu. I mean, it's not playing, yeah. I think without studying it, it feels a little noisy.

That's my, I think it's circumstantial. Yeah, I mean, some like the, I think you can. definitely point to noise when looking at the drop back out of heavy personnel because it's not that many plays. That's what, yeah. And so when I look at it, that's, you know, they, they had the longest, a couple of their longest runs the year, the 65-yarder from Sequin, that goes to the touchdown on the second play of the game.

So that comes out of heavier personnel sets as well. So I tend to think it's a little bit noisy. But I digress. Well, we'll see. I mean, I think they're going to continue to use some of those heavier packages. and we'll see if the success continues. I was wondering if some of it's just like the way defenses are matching the heavy personnel and maybe keeping the pass rate out of those low is almost on purpose.

Like you don't want them to be playing pass in those situations as much so that when you do pass it, it's more effective. I don't know. It's a lot to chew on. We'll continue to do so over the next week. I'm going to try and do better as a host. We're going to try and get to our second break here, 46 minutes into the show. Let's go to our, let's hear from our sponsors another time here.

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Okay. This is chocolate-related. This is a Halloween-related. Yes, exactly. Chocolate with peanut butter. Okay. Chocolate with pretzel. Okay.

Chocolate with coconut. Peck-Ness migrate. Definitely nesting the peanut butter. Nesting from a big fan of Reese's, you know. I thought you were going to have something like a hot take there, okay. No, no, no, I like peanut butter. Chocolate with pretzels, chocolate with coconut. Man, I would love to migrate both of those.

Wow. Yeah. I guess that's... How are we getting the coconut in there? Like, is this, like, do you have a candy in mind? How are we getting the... Well, it's chocolate-covered pretzels. Like, I know what those are, but, like, what are my...

What am I imagining? Not the daddy chocolate? Yeah, see, I don't think that... that works and that's that's why uh yeah go to the weekend happy now all right uh i'll be a second yeah i mean it's to me there's probably another vessel in there it's usually like almonds or something okay i thought you were continuing the earlier laid on top of the uh you laid the lad on top of the nut and then you know put the chocolate all over wow this is just going to keep going um i'm talking about the food here yeah yeah right keep it together i i think i i mean just

because I don't want to think about that anymore. I think I'm going to I'm going to pack the pretzel. Let's migrate the hell out of this coconut analogy. I think I would do the same thing. Let's move on here. Comment in the chat and tell us how you expect chocolate and coconut to come together. All right. Let's, by the way, I didn't include chocolate covered raisin. Chocolate covered raisins are top three snack for me. Oh, wow. We have very different. I love chocolate covered raisins. Yeah, I'm very anti-raison in general. Raisin was like one of the only things I really didn't like eating as a kid. And have you seen that?

I don't know if it's a meme or a poster or whatever, but it's like this little girl and she's looking at a cookie and she says, raisin like cookies that look like chocolate chip cookies are the reason I have trust issues. That like totally speaks to me as a kid. Like whenever there were cookies and I was like, wait, those aren't reasons, are they? And I was always just like disgusted when it was raisins instead of chocolate chips. That's pretty good. Yeah.

All right. I'm not, you know what? I'm anti-dried fruit in general. I mean, you're anti-dried fruit. You're anti-wet food. Things that should be wet,

should be wet, and things that should be dry, should be dry. The thing that makes fruit good is that it's juicy. Like, like, give me a juicy grape. Don't put it in the sun and dry it.

Like, like, what is the point of the drying? I don't. The reason people dried fruit in the past is because we didn't have the technology to, like, preserve fruit, so they had to dry it for the winter or whatever. Why are we still doing this?

pairing, apparently, I love a charcutry board, so they pairing like some cheese and crackers with some like dried mango or like dry, like, you know, that's... Yeah, not a shakutri guy either. Yeah, I don't like cheese that's not melted. It's got to be melted on there. Melt it on to something.

Let's talk about the funny background. So one thing I thought when I knew that you and I were doing a show together, I said, okay, let me, let me take some of my draft projections on some young players because you've watched every single down of these players. You've taken copious notes and all these guys. Have they met some of the prejections? pre-draft expectations, at least what my expectations were. I know you don't evaluate these guys

coming out of college and we'll kind of breeze through and we'll just sign it. We'll share some notes here. Yeah, and this is a great, I thought this was a great idea in part because I typically don't even know what the pre-draft expectations were for guys. Like, like, I have no idea what anyone thought of Tank Bigsby. You know what I mean? Like Tank Biggsby started existing for me when the Eagles played against him and I was watching the film of that game. He lit it up to kick-returner. That's right. Yeah, yeah, big time, big-time kick-returner, yeah. But, uh, no, this will be fun. All right. Let's go through it. We're going to be fast here because it's already $252. All right.

Will Shipley was... For the record, I'm not in a rush. I mean, you know, I can talk about chocolate all day. I've got to change it to like a ninja costume when I go home. We've got all kinds of stuff going on. What's Francis going to be? He's an electric ninja. So he's a ninja and I'm an...

Or he's an electric ninja, which means that he's got double-a batteries attached to his shoulder that's like an electric outline. It's like very like sub-zero feel, like a whole ninja outfit, like Cerulian, like light blue. It's going to like glow in the dark kind of thing? Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah. So he's got that and I'm just a regular ninja. Regular ninja. I'm looking forward to the electric ass.

Looking forward to the photos. Yeah, that would be great. How about Evren? Evren is the Pink Panther. Now, it's a kind of pink, kind of fuzzy outfit. And Emily was worried that people wouldn't know that it was the Pink Panther. And I said, well, first of all, it's clearly the Pink Panther. It has like the Pink Panther's, like, face on his head.

But in order to really make sure people know it's the Pink Panther, we're going to strap speakers to him when we go to Rick or Trayning. Yeah. Yeah, so we're going to have the iPad, like in a backpack, like in his bag. Yeah. And it's going to play the Pink Panther theme on loop as he walks around. You were going to hate life in like six hours ago. I love the Pink Panther theme. I love it too.

Not on a loop. Now, it's two and a half minutes and it has like, you know, it has some parts other than the most typical part. And so, yeah, I think it'll be fine. Yeah, I'll check in with you at like 545. No, no, I'm excited. I'm very excited. I will say that Francis was a Ghostbuster like two years ago. and when little kids are like figures from like the 80s and 90s,

the other little kids don't know what they are, but the adults that are good. And you're like, oh, that's great. So he'll get a lot of attention. No, we had the parade this morning. And some of the parents were like, how does he even know the pink part of there? And it's actually because this kindergarten teacher

kept playing the Pink Panther cartoon for them in school. So that's how he learned about it. So you are going to hate that song. No, no, no, no, I love it. We've been practicing, so I know. Okay. All right. All right. Let's go through this.

All right, thank Biggsby and Will Shipley. So we'll start with Biggsby first. Bigney was my RB3 back in 2020, behind Bejohn Robinson and Jemir Gibbs. I graded him as a role player coming out. I thought he could be like a low end one, high end two. My final summary, three-year starter for the Tigers is a hard-charging track runner

who routinely picks up dirty, hidden yardage, solid athletes, some burst to break away in space and he'll create some room to work for himself. But he's at best. He's at his best as a violent insert back who can get downhill in a hurry and wreak havoc. average pass catcher, good moments as a blocker. He has three down potential as a run first primary back.

He can fit in as a three down backup and wait his turn if needed. Regardless, I feel like this will be a top two running back in the NFL and should be able to make an impact early on as a rookie. What are your thoughts on a tank bigs? Sure, it's good last game. Five runs of 10 plus run, 10 plus yards, three of them on duo, one of them on a pinpole and one of them on an outside zone. Do you think of all the duo this year? I'm a fan. It's interesting to see what a big change it's been.

Yeah. Also, five pinpole runs this game where there had been zero earlier in the season with Cam Juergens at center, which is something we have to talk about at some point. I think Bigsby has looked really good. I mean, in the very brief opportunity,

he had a nice run against the Vikings as well. I did. I mean, this run game is struggling and sometimes just bringing a different running back in seems to change things. Like, obviously he's not as good as, Sake Juan, right? But like, you don't need them to be as good as Sake Juan. You need them to have the vision and make the play when he's when he's in there.

There was an interesting nugget this week from the Move the Sixth podcast, Daniel Jarmaya and Bucky Brooks. And Bucky, who calls the games for the Jaguars, who's asked about Tank Bigsby. And he said, you know, Tank really had trouble kind of grasping that he wasn't the guy in Jacksonville. Oh, okay. And to me, my ears perked up when I heard that because I wonder if that kind of feeds into why the Eagles were so quick to say, like, he's a kick returner. He's a kick return. He's a kick returner. They don't want him to.

Basically, set expectations. Like, hey, like, you're not coming in to even, like, chip away at Sequin carries. Like, he knows he's not going to come in and be the guy. I was going to say, you'd think just having Seekwan would be enough for him to know that that's not what he's coming from. He didn't take away, because that A.J. Dillon was, you know, in the Army to two role at that that's right. That's right.

And you had a little Shipley, like, to almost like, set expectations for, uh, for Bigsby. at that point. Yeah. Well, it certainly looks better than AJ Dylan, more explosive. And I really liked how quickly he made decisions on some of those duo runs, right? Like, because if the linebacker's inserting into that inside gap, he would just kick it, he would just bounce it outside quick. And watching live, it would be like, that doesn't look like the design of the run at all. But I guess that's part of duo, right? Like, which is something the Eagles don't, didn't used to run it all. I used to seeing that, yes. And I remember, I used to always text Fran, by the way, I would like text him a bad video of a play. And I'd be like, is this inside zone or do? And I remember at

some point, probably because he wanted me to stop texting him, he was like, if the Eagles are running it, it's inside zone. I don't remember saying it. It's like, stop texting me. It's pretty good. Eagles plays and asking me if it's duo. It's not, right? And part of that is duo is almost always from under center and the Eagles weren't running those plays from under center. And now we're seeing it. But yeah, no, Biggs's looks good. Now remember, asking me about running backs is probably, is probably dangerous, right? Because I just don't think the running back is that important. a player on a team, like in terms of whether you end up having success in the run game or not, this team was one of the top run teams in the league with Miles Sanders, with DeAndre Swift, and so on.

But Sequin's playing too much, right? Like having him play fewer snaps is probably a good thing for his career and for his being fresh in the playoffs. So bringing in a guy who you know you can still get explosives with is a great thing for the team to have. Let's go, Julie, I'm going to throw you a curveball. can we go to our third break? And by the way, thank God he's not returning kickoffs anymore because he might be the worst for Turner in history.

And Shipley has looked outstanding. Yeah, no, it's very good. We'll get into that. All right, let's go to our third break, knock that out before the 3 o'clock hour, and then we'll wrap up the show on the other side. We'll start with our friends over at game time because, look, obviously we are in the thick of NFL season,

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Bover time. You're too down on yourself, friend. You're doing great. Listen, it's so, you know, it's not like, it's been a while since I was just going to say, it's not like you haven't hosted a podcast. It's been a while. And just to be clear, he didn't say Bo.

He said, boo. Happy Halloween, everybody out there. Look, I want to do a few of these. I don't think we need to do every single one of them, but there are a few where I am. Can I, can I do you, do you rail you for a second? Yes. You talked about running backs. Yeah.

And, you know, I don't think running backs matter that much. But you know what I do like is running backs out on routes. And I've been monitoring this all year. You have. Where the Eagles have at this historically high rate of keeping the running back into protect. Right. And this last game, I thought they made a conscious decision to do the opposite. They were sending the running back out on the route immediately, even against blitzes,

44% blitz by the Giants, and yet the Eagles only kept extra guys into protect 20% of the time. And a lot of those were premeditated, like keeping Fred Johnson in as the sixth guy, obviously, or like a play action play where you're max protecting. By my count, there were only two plays the whole game where there was like a scan and stay in to protect by the running back. One of them was on the Jahan Dotson touchdown where Will Striply stayed in, and one was on an exchange pressure by the Giants where Sequin stayed in to block the linebacker. That was a slant to DeMonte Smith. I thought Sequin's touchdown, which you correctly called it a bus.

That was a great point by you. But I really think that if the Eagles were known as a team that sent the running back out on a flat or wheel route in those situations, that there would be extra emphasis by the defensive of coordinator to make sure we're in a man coverage. You have Seekwan. You stay on Sequin. What do the Giants do? They blitz both of the linebackers on that play. And Sequin is wide open. And you watch the play and you're like, was that supposed to be covered zero? Was the safety supposed to get Sequan? Was it supposed to be the edge rusher dropping to get Seekwan? Probably not because the Giants don't do that that much. Was it supposed to be one of the linebackers?

It was probably supposed to be one of the linebackers. But teams have been preemptively sending those linebackers, even when it's manned coverage, and it looks irresponsible when you're looking at it on film. You're like, no one's covering the running back, which a lot of defenses do in the NFL, by the way. And I thought sending him out on that for the wide open touchdown was a great change. And then your favorite play of the game, the 15-yard backside dig to DeVante Smith. Yes, all the blitz. Yep. Would probably not have been as easily open if Seikwan had stayed into block on that play. He runs into the flat where DeMonte Smith came from. Dallas, too. Dallas crossed the field. And it takes 53 Mass out of the passing lane for that play. Now, could

Jalen have thrown that over the linebacker? Maybe. But just like we talk about moving the linebackers with play action, you can also move the linebacker pretty easily by just sending the running back to the flat. You don't have to even throw to him. And so I thought those were two positive examples. And you really didn't see very many negative examples where it was like, oh man, that sack would have been prevented if the running back had stayed in. Like I thought the sacks were mostly because of other things. So I really like that. And And I hope that it wasn't specific to that game. And I hope we see it continue.

I kind of think that we will, but we'll see. I think that's a good call out by you. I'm glad when I saw that you posted that on social media about like the, the busted coverage and how that interacted with the running backs releasing out. I thought that was a really, that was a really valid point on your side. All right. Really quickly, Johan Dotson. Yeah.

Had the big catch down the field. Very similar to his catch last year against the Jaguar. The Jaguar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's your interest level on bringing him back this offseason? Knowing that, like, the way we're going with the A.J. Brown, whether, you know, timeline-wise, what's your interest level on bringing John Dotson back? I don't know.

Like, like, pepid? I mean, like, not super exciting. I mean, he's been one of the least productive receivers in the NFL. It's hard to not see that. I mean, he's on the field a lot. Yep. This is still a very heavy 11 personnel team. He's on the field a lot.

He's used to run those clear-out routes. Like, that's what he does. And I feel like you can find a guy to do that. Now, if AJ Brown's not here and you need a guy to be number two, is he good enough to be number two? Have you seen enough from him to think that he could be? I haven't seen enough, no. Have you?

I don't think so, no. I haven't, I don't know. I was just going to say, because he was a first round pick. He was a first round pick. I thought that was a little rich. I thought he was more of like a, you know, like a second round type of receiver in terms of like how I valued him. Right. But he hasn't even been like to the level that I was hoping for.

I think from a separation standpoint, like he's been great, he's got great hands, but and he can impact all three levels of the field. I will say like, like, there are little things that he does well. And I do like the player. I'll be interested to see what he does get on the open market this year, though. You said in your scouting report that he's not a, in college, he wasn't a three level threat as a route runner either. Right. And I'm assuming you haven't seen improvement in that area. No, not really.

I mean, look, it's one of those things where, I mean, honestly, look at that play, right? He and Devante essentially have to run the same route. They're running against different. Stutter go routes. Devante's going up against a first round pick. And Jahan's going up against a rookie who came up from the street. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Like a sixth or seventh round pick this past year. And Dotson. Oh, that's right. He was picked by, yeah. Yes, he was. But he gained no separation against Corey Black. and Devante made Deonti Banks fall down. You just want to masts the guy.

If you separate, you can't most the guy. Correct. Tyler Steen, has he been good enough that you're not looking to upgrade in the spring? Probably. I think so, too. Yeah, probably. I mean, given that by design,

he's supposed to be the fifth best offensive lineman. Yeah. He has not been the fifth best offensive lineman. I think he's been better this year than Cam Juergens. And I'm not even using, I'm not, I'm not comparing him to Landon because I think it's been hurt. And Landon looked a lot better. Landon has been the last two weeks he looks like Landon.

Yeah, so much better. I think it was good. We said, right? We said, just sit him. Like, sit him down for a bit. I am, the only reason I hesitate is because there are certain kinds of runs that they were so good at last year that they've just kind of stopped calling. Like if you notice in the last few weeks, we haven't seen counter. And that, you know, Mackay Beckton was so good as the puller on those counter runs last year.

and they could do it from the other direction with Landon. And with Steen, we saw a few times, Steen just not be physical enough on those counter, on those counter pull blocks, and those plays get blown up in the backfield. And then they just kind of stopped calling it. So I'm wondering if with Steen, they feel like they can't do certain things.

Yep. And we know that they have the personnel strongly dictate the kinds of things they call. I mean, like Cam Juergens, as mobile and athletic as he is, is clearly hurt this year. and they didn't call a single pin pull run the whole year until this last game with Brett Tooth

and they called five of them. They called two same side ones from shotgun and three from under center. They had this whole pinpole package and that shows that who's in there really affects the play calling. And I wonder if Steen is limiting the play calling in a way where we can't really tell

that he's limiting the plays because they don't call the play. So that's the only negative I have to say about him. But in terms of like my amateur eyes, like taking notes about the past pro, there have been very few times this year where I've been like, oh man, Steen got destroyed on that and it messed up the past pro. Like, I feel like he's been better in past protection than Beckton was last year. That was like how I looked at it last year when there was those conversations when Bechton would leave a game would be like,

okay, I feel like Steen is better in pass pro and that Bechton is, there's just better highs in the run game. Yeah. And I feel good about that. Beckton's a better player. But I think that that's the differences between those two. Yeah. I handwrite my notes, which I don't know how smart that is, because it makes it harder to search. I can probably use some sort of software to search it. But I just feel like I just write, well, I write his name down less than I wrote Bechton's name in both directions. Oh, no, both directions. That's a good point.

Like, last year it would be like Bechton mauled a guy. And then it would be like Bechton got beat by the guy. And this year, I just feel like Steen is, I mean, not invisible, but like he's close to Invisible, which. For an offensive lineman isn't always the worst thing. Morrow Ojamot. Has he met your expectations? Do you agree with EJ that he's been equal or better as Milton Williams? No, but I think he's...

I'm saying that even like being facetious. I think E.J. has doubled down. I said, like, yeah, like, I feel like he's making the same... Well, I mean, if you're counting sacks, he's going to surpass what Milton Williams was last year. So EJ's going to be able to brag about that. I think that my expectations weren't as high as EJ's. and I am, he's pretty much exactly at where my expectations were. Now remember, the season started and we were like, ooh, Ojima didn't look so good.

Right. He didn't look quite strong enough in some of those, like, some of those runs and whatnot. And now it's like, it seems like that's gotten better. I haven't noticed that many plays where it's like, like, you're not getting as much push on the double team or something like, you know, like, or like they're able to move him easily with like a single blocker on runs, like those kinds of things. I feel like that's happened less. That's still happening with Jalen Carter sometimes in a disturbing way. But again, that's all relative to expectation. Yeah, I would say that he has met my expectations.

And keep in mind, so much of productivity on the defensive line is a team thing. And we've been talking about how lacking the edge rushers are. And so when you don't have that edge rusher, getting that extra attention, when you're not able to get those cleanup numbers, it's harder to get the kinds of sacks that Ojamo is getting. And so, yeah, I would say. say pretty much right at my expectation. What about you? I would say that I fall in the lines of like he's a little bit below what my

hoping expectation was. I'm coming into the year. Not out of college. Oh, yeah. Coming out of college, like I thought it was like a couple years of development and he's, this guy's going to be an impact starter. So I'm,

I'm very excited about it. Yeah. So like, you know, I would say he has met my expectation coming out. He has surpassed his draft slot. No question. I would not say he's been better than 2024.

Milton Williams. Like I would not say that. Yeah, no, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't either. I think Milton more positively impacted plays on a more consistent basis than what we've seen from Moro so far. I mean, he might not be better than what's the what's the what year is Moro now? Three. So you need to compare to 2023 Milton Williams for it could be the same. He might not be at that level either. I think that's that's probably right. Right. Yeah. I think that's probably right. Jaylux Hunt, last one. Yeah. Obviously, it was a really good game from Jailix this past week against the

Very, very impactful. Be nice to think he could finish some of those. Yeah. Do you view him as a guy going into them, there's a lot of football left? Yeah. Going into next season, are you saying, yep, Jalick's Hunt is the starter? We're good. Or do you think this is a position where it's like, hey, I would love for them to go and acquire

some kind of free agent or high draft pick to plug into that room? I mean, look, if you're asking, would Miles Garrett make the defense better and have Jaylickson be the third guy in? Obviously, yeah. But in terms of, like, can the defense function as a top defense with Jaylickson starting? I think so. One of the things that Vic clearly loves the guy, first of all, right? Like, he clearly loved him. Like, when they drafted him, and he clearly, he clearly loves him now the way he talks about him. He talked about how well he's been playing. This week, he went out of his way to talk about how Jaylick Hunt had been having a good year the whole year. and that it's like a misperception that people thought he was having a down year. So I think that one of the things, I'm just guessing, obviously, why Vic loves him so much. But one of the reasons Vic likes him in my estimation is how versatile he is. Like when they go from those five-man fronts in base to six-man fronts, where Zach Bonn comes on one of the edges and someone has to tuck in and put his hand on the ground, that's Jalick's Hunt pretty much every time. Like Jalick's son is the one putting his hand on the ground.

When they're in base, he can play on the outside. When they're in nickel, he can rush the passer. When they do the form. He can drop into, yeah, the exchanges, he drops. He had to pick six, obviously. I mean, he was a safety, right? Like, we would think that he can, and he even talked about how he understands routes and all that. Like, I don't know how much that had to do with that pick six.

But the versatility and the ability to play, those different defensive end positions in this defense really matters. I mean, like Vic talked about Jihad Campbell, needed those extra meetings and extra, you know, practice to figure out how to play edge on nickel and obviously didn't figure it out because he didn't play any of those snaps. Zadaria Smith was here and he talked for a whole month about how he has to learn the base,

and he never played a single snap in base. I'm just going to keep talking about that all year. Zadaria Smith long retired on an island somewhere, and I'm still going to talk about how he never learned the base defense. So Jaluxan is a second year player, has learned all those things, can play in all those positions. I feel like physically, do you think he's going to develop more and become that more impactful player?

Or do you think this is kind of his physical ceiling and it's just a matter of mental at this point? No, I think that there is definitely still meat on the bone developmentally from a physical standpoint. I think he can still continue to fill out. And then... That's what I'm wondering. Because this frame looks like it can fill out more, right?

Yeah, I think so. I think there's still something to me, it comes down. And it's possible that he does what Nolan Smith did last year at this exact juncture where he saw increased playing time Nolan Smith did and took off and was excellent in the second half. Right. Oh, no. We might not even have to talk about it. Or like honestly, if he maintains what he's been doing,

I think there's a chance that they spend a high pick on an edge rush for next year. I think that I think it's possible. But we'll see. It's interesting while we're here, what, what do you think they're going to, how do you think they're going to use BG? Like, do you think BG is just going to be rotational edge? Do you think he's going to play inside sometimes? Do you think he's going to be like the guy who puts his hand on the ground in those

in those fronts? Like do you think Jalick's son's role is going to change because BG's coming in? Yeah, I think that he basically takes Zadarius's role and then obviously he knows how to play in the Eagles base. I think he can do a little bit more. In various spots in the base too.

He can play on the inside if they needed them to. So that would be my guess is that he'll kind of just take on that role and move on. But not in the way that's going to like stunt anyone's development or anything. No. No, I don't think so. All right. Let's go trick-or-treating,

and I want you to report back in like two hours and let me know how much you hate the Pink Panther. I am going to really enjoy the Pink Panther thing, especially because even if it drives me crazy, I feel like just the reaction that we get from people will be worth it. That thing, we tested it out last night. It's going to be pretty loud.

Like, it's going to be like, the Pink Panther will be like coming down the street with the soundtruthers. With the soundtrack. You are absolutely... This was my idea, by the way. I'm very excited about this soundtrack thing. I appreciate the stictuitiveness on your end to say, like, it's not going to bother you,

but in three hours, you were absolutely going to be bothered. Oh, we have some super chats. All right. Two super chats. Let's go to the first one here as I don't have my glasses. So I'm going to need... Let's see here. So first one...

There you go. From Joe? Looks like my dad's phone right now. Anyone can read it. Joe Rockhead. So in the Giants game, Jalen cart was, how much was Jalenkart a double teamed or is he just not getting home?

One nine and a half second sack was it. I think my take on the past, the pass rush production from this past game because I covered this on my piece that's up for diehards on all p.hly.com. Talked about like the average time to sack was extremely high, extremely slow. I think that in this game, they were very much concerned about not letting

Jackson Dart escaped the pocket and a lot of their rushes were like contain rushes must rushes. Obviously they sent some blitzes here and there and it's so that it, you know, it wasn't every time. But that Jalen Carter sack, I think was a good example. I do think that Jalen has been okay relative to the expectation and not like the consistent like game wrecker all pro that I think people were expecting. I do think that injury has something to do with that. So hopefully the by week helps them on that side. That's like an example of what I was mentioning earlier that there are more stunts now. I mean, that's that sack involved one of a handful of plays where there was an E.T stunt where Jalek's stunt was the pinner and and and Carter came around him.

There was also a T.E. stunt on the same play where Jordan Davis pinned for, uh, for Josh Uche. And it was like nine and a half seconds. Yeah. There was a bust on that play too. Like Reed lost his guy in in mesh. But, uh, there were a lot of bust this game. Yeah, I, I'm definitely writing Jalen Carter's name down less as a like he just you know beat a guy one-on-one like we haven't seen those quick wins the way we saw that one on the pick six in in Minnesota yeah um even when he's had those one-on-one opportunities yeah and they sometimes they slide tomorrow's side and and they're able to to block jalen carter one-on-one yeah do you think it's cost for concern uh i think that i would say optimistically you think that health is the reason why i think i think it

If you want to be an optimist, I think that's the reason why. I think if you are on the pessimistic side, you would say, like, was he in shape coming off the year? Like, you know, is he always going to be an inconsistent player? Like, to me, Fletcher Cox at the same age was, we were like, he was dominant. He was like a plus plus player every single play. I don't think that Jalen is at that level right now personally. Interesting.

Interesting. Don't you think Fletcher Cox had some years in that like, during like the Bill Bradley, Bill Davis, yeah, Billy Dave, Bill Bradley. Man, you're going way back. Yeah, yeah, seriously, yeah. During the Billy Davis defense with the two-gapping and everything, where he had some kind of quiet years.

Yeah, but I think that was more the nature of that defense, but then also, like, he was dominant in that role. In that role. He was asking. He was awesome. I have this, like, very, like, weird memory of, like, I was at a game, and I was standing at the WIP tent, just waiting for them to open the inner gates so I could go watch warm-ups. And

handsome Rich's dad was on the, uh, was on the WIP pregame show. Yeah. And he was just talking about what a quiet player Fletcher Cox was and how disappointing it was. And I just like, that just got stuck in my head as like Fletcher Cox had like some quiet moments early in his career before he kind of became Fletcher Cox. But that might have just been like he was quiet for a month or something. Yeah. Fletch was, he was an awesome player. Let's go to our last one here. Um, I'm going to need some help with this one here. This one comes from the Czech Republic. So hello from the Czech Republic. Happy birthday to my brother, Michael Vic to Deshaun Jackson, who's been a loyal listener since the early Birds with Friend days. Woo-hoo. Love you guys.

Big of early, birds with friends. Oh, look at that shirt. We'll see you in Philly in January. So thank you so much for the super chat from the Czech Republic. And happy birthday. Birds with Friends, a great T-shirt, by the way. Yeah. Look at that, Gem. Yeah. What, who, who won the game last night? DeShawn's team. Okay. I believe it was 27 to 20.

Okay, okay. Cool. Haven't gone through the film on that one yet. All right. But now it was, uh, look, it was, we went, I was thinking like 310. It's 321. Not bad. That's not, that's not too bad.

Yeah, we'll say. Oh, I want notes from Bo. There's no chance Bo was watching at this point. Zero. E.J. is probably watching. God knows what he's doing like right now, but, He's six hours behind. I mean, I would hope that EJ's at dinner.

It's 921 on a Friday night in Paris. I would really hope that he's sitting at one of my dinner recommendation spots having dinner with his Drulia. But who knows, who knows what he's doing. We know if we know, we know his predecessor would have been watching. Yeah. No matter where he is. His predecessor wouldn't be there. He wiggled out of.

That's right. During the season. Can you imagine? What if they trade for? What if he's asleep in Paris when they trade for? Miles Garrett. All right. Well, for Danes, for Julia producing, for all of the sickos in the chat, thank you,

everybody. Happy Halloween. We'll be back next week. We've got a full regular week. We'll be back Monday, handsome Rich and Jamie Lynch will be back in these seats next week. I'll be joining them remotely for a little bit of the show. So make sure you tune in Monday. Obviously, we'll be back if the Eagles make any kind of big move in between now and

then. But until then, happy Halloween and we love you. y'all silly like the mayor