PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - How many current Eagles will go down as the BEST in franchise history? Is Jalen Hurts one?

Episode Date: June 16, 2025

Given the nature of the Eagles’ loaded roster, let’s take stock of just how great it is. How many current Eagles will go down as the best player in franchise history at their position? Lane Johnson for sure. Can A.J. Brown top the likes of Mike Quick and Harold Carmichael? Is Dallas Goedert within range of Zach Ertz and Pete Retzlaff? Jamie Lynch, Rich Hofmann and Bo Wulf kick off PHLY Spirit Week with a bang. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

H.L. Eagles podcast on a Monday afternoon presented by True Mark Financial. I am Bo Wolf. I've got Jamie Lynch to my left, handsome Rich Hoffman all the way over there. How you guys doing? We got to see each other on Saturday at the Big Liberty Open. How's everybody doing? Doing all right. You know, nice little Father's Day yesterday. Saturday was a good time. It's a good weekend. I was not expecting the first time I've golf this year. My knees were sore. Yeah. Yeah, it must have been just swinging through my heels. I played very well, though. Yeah. I surprised myself. Yeah.

We had two wolves. Two wolves. Same scramble. My buddy Mike and some guy I never met. Joined us. We played pretty well. I was happy. Yeah, I had some good shots.

How are you guys? How was your event? It was great. I played with Fran. Always fun playing. Oh, you must have paid the big bucks then. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah. No, I paid for the other two spots. Just so I get out of myself. But that's not how a scramble works. I learned that when I was there. No, I actually knew that already. We were only playing with each of our two shots. So we had a lot of fun.

You guys should have hit two shots each. That's kind of cheating, though. I feel like you get a little dialed after it was over. Yeah, we had a lot of fun. And the infamous shotgun start, you know? Yes. Zach Berman was very curious about. What was it?

Give me the best shot you guys hit. Ooh. So on the eighth hole, I think it was par five. I think it was. Yeah, that's a long one. I hit a good drive, and then I hit it to about, it's like a big uphill green kind of type thing. Pin was in the back right. Hit it to about the middle of the green about 15 feet away.

Of course, we both missed the putt afterwards. But, you know, it felt pretty good, though. I think I hit about a 180, like within 12 feet. That's okay. It was the type of shot, though, it's like, you know, even if I have a bad round, if I hit one of those shots, that'll get me back. Yeah. We miss a lot of, but we left a lot of pots out like that.

We had one hole, I want to say it was, six or seven or whatever it was, where there was another group on the T watching us hit our approach shots. And for the only time all day, like all four of us, like hit them on the great, like very nice.

And I went last and I stuck it to like a foot. And like they were like very impressed with us. I was like, this was, you guys are, you know, thank you, but yeah, this was not it. And then there was also that one hole where it's like a straight dog leg left. And it was a really good team. Scramble Golf where somebody put in the

fairway I took a three wood over the trees landed on the green game that gave us an eagle putt actually that might have been my drive of the day I like baby faded it like perfectly and ended up like six feet off the green beautiful yeah I will give Fran credit I've played with him a few times the last hole we played was the hole that had the longest drive competition Fran pulls out a red golf ball

for the first time in the entire round and he he lost the long drive competition by like a yard. He hit it like 300 yards. To a guy, now listen, might be a sicko, but we think was playing from he was playing from the scene. He's playing from the series. So Fran actually might have the longest had the longest actual drive in there

too. Okay. I like that. It was impressive. It was the best drive I've seen since when I played with Fran. And I think you might have been with us for this one. The starter was being kind of a jerk and trying to move us along when he was like, you guys aren't playing fast enough.

And I think we had played the front nine in under two hours. It was pretty quick round as far as these things go. And everybody was absolutely furious. And Fran absolutely piped one because he was so. I think I have a faint recollection of that. I might have been there for that. Okay.

All right. It was a good time. Somewhere Zach is yelling at us. He wants us to get to Eagles talk. But you know what? It's June. We're going to be okay. Welcome to Spirit Week, by the way.

Very exciting. We're all wearing some, you know, some pH-L-wide stuff here. fun conceit for the week. We've got a bunch of surprises along the way. On Wednesday, which we will talk about in a little bit. We're going to have like a kind of a, I wouldn't call it a host swap necessarily, but, you know, we've got a bunch of different shows

mixing and matching the PHLY talent, so that will be a lot of fun. And we've got a couple of fun topics to talk about today, including I want to go through the roster and you guys tell me how likely it is that some of the players on this team go down as the best player in franchise. history. So we'll go through that. And we also

have, I know that there are sickos out there who watched the three of us do an episode a few months ago, many months ago, in which we drafted which players on defense are going to play the most snaps this season. Well, guess what? I have the results.

And we're finally going to get to check back in on that and find out who won and we'll give them proper credit. Some are calling that a tent pole show during the year. I would say so. The defensive snaps. Rising up the ranks in the most coveted games of PHOI. So it's exciting.

All right. Let's start with ZB's waiting for the Karen Reed verdict, says the chat. You know, I actually had not been following this. You guys were. Yeah, we debriefed you in about three minutes as much as we could. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know. Could go either way.

It's a fascinating trial. Look, I could talk about it for an hour here. But I feel like I feel like I kind of would be misrepresenting what was going on. I watched the whole documentary. I don't remember every single detail. But there's a lot of details. You guys want to check out that doc? It's on,

I think it's on HBO Max. Pretty interesting true crime case. And we will get to, we will get to Eagles talk. We will get there. But I do have to say, first of all, congratulations to Julia's brother

on getting married over the weekend. Ian, Ian, Ian. And please welcome Julia to the doghouse because they got married like a block away from me. And I only find out now, Julie doesn't tell me.

She's a pop. buy. I thought it was on Saturday. Oh, it was on Saturday. But the golf didn't start until two. It was probably in the morning, right? Hmm. Well, that's why I was late to the golf. I was waiting for you to say hi. Dog house.

It's crazy how many people go to go to that area. It's crazy. Yeah, just ignore me. When somebody dropped in the neighborhood recently when they took their daughter to the skating, proper credit, absolutely. As I talked about, Jamie. I didn't say, if you're able to sneak out for a beer, we'll be a new. It's good to know who your friends are.

Your true friends. All right. So thank you, Jamie. Yeah. If I get, if we renew our vows, you'll have to be my best man. All right. Let's start with the obvious one. Although, I don't, maybe it's not so obvious. It's a two-way race, I would say, for the best offensive tackle in Eagles history.

Is it Lane Johnson or is it Jason Peters? Now, pro bowl wise. Lane is still one behind. He's at six. J.P.'s got seven. And I would have thought it was crazy to think that somebody could approach Jason Peters there. But even right now, I think I think no more seasons.

I might even give the edge to Lane. What do you guys think? I have a little bit of a take. Okay. It's that Lane Johnson is going to be the greatest eagle ever. Now, that does not mean that he is a better player than Reggie White. I'm not going that far. But I think when you take into account win losses with him and without him,

in a lineup. Okay. Two Super Bowls. Stability on the right side. Just an absolute freak. I think Lane Johnson is the best eagle ever. Do we know when? I give it to him.

Yeah. Okay. I give it to him. So my question is, has he given kind of an update on when he is going to retire? He just said last week that he feels like he's just reaching his prime now. Yeah. I think he has said at least two more years.

He feels like he can be like really, really good, at least two more years. and then like reassess after that. So I didn't know you were saying tackle. I didn't know you were combining the two. I had a few tiers for the players on the roster. And there was only one in the already there tier where they're already the best player. Now, this was for right tackle.

So I think you can argue with Jason, Jason Peters. And that's obviously Lane Johnson. And yeah, I mean, if he plays two more years, feel like he probably has to get there. I mean, he's won two Super Bowls too. I think that is part of a tiebreaker where, you know,

he's been on these, you know, Jason Peters was on some very good offensive lines. Lane Johnson was on a lot of those lines anyway, and he's been on some dominant ones without Jason Peters as well. So I think I would have him already there. And he has also changed like the national conversation and understanding of, you know, it used to be that both tackles were considered the same. And then for so long it was like, man, the left tackle, the blind side. That's the one that's really important. And it's all about types. You get your athletic pass protector on the left side. You get your runyon type on the right side and that's where you're going to run the ball. And Lane, almost single-handedly,

has, like, changed the league's opinion of that. And, like, you just need to have a really good player at both spots. And left tackle is not that much more important than right tackle. I think it was during the 2017 season. Some people were pointing out, like, yeah, all the best edge rushers are actually left defensive ends. And they're, they're mostly, you know, obviously they switch a little bit, but they're mostly rushing from that side. And the Eagles, they had a strong stretch of it was like, it was like Von Miller and Khalil Mack and it was like a bunch of guys in a row. And you didn't hear anything about these guys because Lane Johnson would just shut him down. And that's been really the story of his career where, you know, you really don't have to worry about him.

If you look at the stats too, the Eagles put their tackles on islands more than pretty much anybody in the league. And yet you still don't even hear from these guys. It has been such a wild team building advantage for them for a long time. Yeah, it's the big one. we're incredibly spoiled here. Like sometimes I flash forward to the future and I'm like, man, what's it going to be like to not have Lane Johnson there? And it's like a scary unknown because it's going to be 15 years of just dominance.

Like he came into the league and was great. Yes. And just got better. And I actually asked this to Lane when he spoke to the media a couple weeks ago. And it's an interesting thought is if Lane were here, but Jeff Stoutland wasn't here. What would his career have looked like? And I think Lane is, I mean,

is too good to just give the credit to Jeff Stoughtlin, right? I think he would have been an amazing player, but I think it's probably fair to wonder what he would have been in a franchise elite player without Stout along the way? I mean, I would probably say yes, but there's no way to know. I'm sure Stoutland gave him some of the material

between the ears that took him to the next level. but I do think he's that special player that I think even without stout he's still probably the franchise's all-time right tackle. Maybe doesn't get ahead of Peters, but his damn close. I think he's there. I think with one more, you know, good season, he's already there. Yeah, I'll lock him in. I mean, I think he's the best eagle ever. All right, Rich, give me who is the next on your tier list?

So I had likely as the next tier. And, you know, there were a few names here. the next two tiers I had were likely impossible. Okay. I think some of that is longevity. They've all got work to do, yeah. Some of that is. So there were two names I was debating.

I guess you could also, you know, if you split up the tackle sides too, you could talk about Jordan Milana. So the next two names that I was thinking of, the first one that came to mind, even though he has only been here for a few years, is A.J. Brown. Yeah. Absolutely. The numbers he has put up has been at 14th on their all-time receipts. seed even yardage list already. Absolutely insane. Now, are there some worries about, you know,

is he going to be here for the long run? Because it's a pretty popular take that people think, you know, and I'd actually bet on Devante Smith being here a little bit longer than A.J. Brown for a bunch of reasons, part of it is just play style, right? And it's just like, you know, AJ Brown dealing with injuries. I mean, that's part of the reason

he was available for the Eagles in the first place when they brought him over because of his injury history. But A.J. Brown is on a different level. He's completely dominant, like you said, 14th in receiving already. Give me like a couple more good years. Who would you say is the best Eagles receiver of all times? It's tough between Quick and Harold.

Harold and Mike, yeah. Harold probably relative to his, like his peers, and that's why he's in the Hall of Fame, but like cumulative production, quick is hard to beat. However, all of those things said, now this is where like I do, the 17th game does bother me a little bit, but A.J.'s already got the two most productive receiving seasons in franchise history. If he has, so if you average out what he's done per year over the first three years, if he has two more of those years, he will already be third all time. That's what I was just looking at. Like, Deshawn Jackson, his third was 65-00 yards. He'll already pass that.

And Deshawn Jackson, for as good as he was. And by the way, second as Pete Retzlaff was not in one. By the way, he's going to be here two more years. Sean Jackson had a catch rate of 55.3%. A.J. Brown is 65. Devante Smith just behind him 69.8. Okay. Like, yeah, both of them. Yeah. Have a shot.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. Like, if it goes the way that, that you say, where maybe, maybe AJ's gone in two years, but Devante's here for like eight more years, you know, he could compile. I mean, those numbers are going to be insane. That's true. Yeah. I mean, listen, the, the outsized impact, like, you know, it used to always be just T.

T.O. stood out there as like the best season, right? was the guy. AJ's been better than that, at least twice. And on a per route basis, like all three years, kind of ridiculous he didn't make the Pro Bowl last year. But the leader in,

if you're used to doing Pro Bowls is quick, who's got five, AJ's already got two. I don't think it's crazy to think that, that AJ will eventually go down as pretty consensus, the best receiver in franchise history. I have no problem with that.

I think he ends up there. So, I mean, he basically needs three more years to be an undenance. You know, Mount Rushmore receiver for the Eagles. So I think you get to. Claire's hitting up Tommy McDonald.

I see. And it's listen. I didn't get to see Tommy play. It's tough. I got to see the Tommy play though. You got to see the Tommy play. Yeah. Ray did he?

Yeah. How are we like, you know, are we going to, when we get to Chuck Beddnerick, uh, at linebacker, like how we're going to factor this all in? I feel like, I feel like, uh, for the purposes of this conversation, we can say Super Bowl era. Yeah. Are you saying Chuck Bednerick was playing against plumbers and firemen? I'm just saying, you know, when you can double fist cigarettes.

At halftime of the game. Offseason job. By the way, did Devonte, didn't you have an answer last week where he was talking about his three greatest catches of all time? Yeah. Did he not put the national championship? I think that he was thinking NFL. Okay. Yeah.

I was like so confused by that. I was, yeah. Dude, you had a walk-off national championship touchdown. Yeah, that's true. Was the dagger in there? I didn't hear this. He said top three. That was why it was asked.

Yeah, I mean, it's got a name. It's got to be up there. Yeah. And he said two other Washington catches. Also, yeah, I was like not happy with that answer. What about the Jacksonville catch this year? The one was the Cincinnati one this year. Yes.

That one was insane. Yeah, the one, the Washington catch from 2022, I think it was week three. When he goes way up and Landman's back. That was sick. Yeah. agree with that one. The Jacksonville one on Ronald Darby this year. What a catch.

Yeah. Oh, man. That was insane. Yeah. He's got a good list, though. I mean, I think I'm a little mad at his answers, but really he should just, just expand the list. Expand it to like, like 10.

Now, that would be good. He's starting to create content. That's what he should do. He should create a video of his 10 best catches. Yeah. Okay. And by the way, AJ Brown, too. Like, if he was fed the ball at the rate of like a Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase or

something, he should. He might already be there. Yeah. Like this might be a conversation where you're like, yeah, he's already the best Eagles wide receiver. Last year he was the most underrated receiver in football. Just because of what they didn't throw it. Throw the ball that much.

And he catches everything. He's the best receiver in football. Yeah. Do you agree with Zeeb? You think they're going to throw more this year? I think they're going to throw more. Take some wear off of Sequin or Petulo influence or what? I think to take some off of Sequin to make AJ and Devante happy.

balance off what they expect defenses to do to them. I think a little bit of all of that, but I don't know that it's going to be, you know, like what it was in 2022. That's fair. Yeah. Okay. All right, a quick break to hear from our sponsors.

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So there you go. Yeah, it's very simple. I've already donated twice today. Just right there, there's a little donation thing in the chat. So if you're able, it's a great, great cause, great charity. So let's try to help them out. All right, Rich, who else do you have as likely? So I have two more names, one of which I wasn't, I wasn't 100% sure just because it's a little bit of a position. We can talk about it. The next one I had as likely was Landon Dickerson. And it had to do. This one really surprised me. And it had to just do with the scarcity of, yeah. If Brandon Brooks had played like two more years, you probably can't have this conversation right now. But like, I think he's, I think he's in. I think Brandon Brooks is up there right now. I think he probably is the guy.

Yeah. And that's the thing. And I'm saying, given all of the organizational, you know, emphasis on offensive linemen, there haven't been that many longstanding guards, right? You know, Sean Andrews was with the best guard in football for a couple years, right? Brandon Brooks probably was too. Jermaine Mayberry? Yeah, he's got,

Brooks has three Pro Bowls. That's tied for the lead. Yeah, with Buckle Kilroy, who's pre-super Bowl. And so Lina Dickerson's already at three as well. So he's going to be here for a while. He probably is going to go down as the best guy. I think it's easy. Yeah, I think like you could make the case right now,

him and Brooks are equal footing. And if you're simply projecting ahead another year or two, Dickerson is probably going to be another Pro Bowl guard. Now I see I see some love for Todd Harriman's in the chat and and Todd certainly has the longevity. That's true. I don't think he was ever. He played some tackle that level and he's also, yeah, because of he was so versatile, moved around so much. I love Todd.

Loved him, yeah. They've had a ton of very good guards, but they don't have the- I would also say Evan Mathis was great too, but he was only two years, right? I would say, though, I don't think that Land- at his best has ever been as good as Brandon Brooks at his best. That's probably fair. So I think it's going to have to come to he's going to need to put together. Long January.

You know, yeah. Give me like five pro bowl seasons, which I mean he's young. He's getting paid like the best garden football. So there's a good chance he gets there. We have a angry Fray and Duffy in the chat as well. Frayne says the disrespect for Jamon Brown you know, adjusting his gloves mid-play.

We do apologize. I think if you're projecting ahead, I think Landon Dickerson, if we I was surprised by that. We go back in three years. Just off the top of my head, but then you look and, yeah, it's hard not to argue. He was the next person on the list for sure for me. Just because of... Interesting.

Well, there's one guy who I would have thought was ahead. Okay, and I think I'm about to say him. Go ahead. Jalen hurts. No. Oh, wow. I was going to say, I mean, I was going to say Sequin. I think it hurts is a bigger conversation.

I thought we were going Jake Elliott next. Oh. That was the other guy had. Yeah. Well, I mean... It's a straight head-to-head mono-mono. David Acres versus David Elliott. it.

Yeah, let's do Jake Elliott first. Okay. Because Hertz is the longer one. Now, longevity is he's going to need like four more seasons to get to Acres. But I don't know. He's aren't. I mean, he's got, he's, he's better. You know, he's got a higher make percentage.

Now, kickers across the league are better. That's why I still have. I don't know. Like, you know, I like David Acres. But we're talking about like, you know, you're asking him, him to hit like 38 yarders. you know like that's true no i think the reason i still have acres ahead of the super bowls but yeah hey look the leading scorer yeah yeah that's right we had the we we one of the giveaways on saturday at the at the golf was a you know there was a bunch of nice pieces of memorabilia one

was assigned to jake elliott photo from the super bowl but he signs it jay kelly and he says most points in super bowl history it's a very funny thing to is to puff out about but yeah I mean, it's true. Yeah, I mean, I would write that too about it. Yeah, yeah. No disrespect to kickers. She called Mr. 16.

I like that. Yeah. But David Acres felt like a revelation because kickers back then were horrible. Yeah. And when the Eagles actually, and by the way, the Eagles kickers also horrible. Yes. You know. Chris Bonio.

Chris Bono. I was convinced he was going to be it when he came here because he killed us with Dallas. Sure. I was like, we got Chris Bono. Things are looking up. And when David Acres got here and they had like an actually reliant. I remember there was one game. I feel this might have been like 2001.

Do you remember they ran out of timeouts at the end of the game? I think it was at Pittsburgh. And Acres like ran onto the field and made a field goal. And I just remember thinking like, wow, this has never happened before to the Eagles in my life. That wasn't the T. O'Donovan blow up. No, no, no, no, no. It was before that.

Anyway, but yeah, David Acres was there from what, 2000 to 2010? Is that something like that? Right. Yeah, because his last year was the year that he missed those kicks against the Packers. We can all count. In the post season. Andy's.

Man, Andy, that, uh, it was true, but that was some tough stuff right there. Do you remember that? Yeah. Through Acres under the bus for that game? What is the chat thing? Acres or Elliott?

How close is Jake Elliott to getting there? I kind of think, I kind of think he's already there. I mean, I think when you put the clutch sheen in, like he's made some mess. Not that Aker's wasn't clutch, but like,

Elliot's just come on bigger stages. That's got to count for something, right? It might just be that Elliot's more front of mind, so his, his misses are more front of mine, right? When he was looking a little shaky at the beginning of the posties in the year. I think if he makes it through another two years at about this level. Yeah. I think he's got it. I think that's right.

And Rich Bobby does say, you know, when he went down there and trolled the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL draft, there's some cool points earned for that. Yeah, I'll give Elliott two more years. Okay. I think he can eclipse him. Okay. I have a pretty funny David Acre story. One of my. has nothing to do with.

What else we're here for? It has nothing to do with David Acres. Okay. You love a David Acre story that has nothing to do with David Acres. So I was probably like 21, 22. It was like some of my first bar experiences. And one of my friends, he convinced a bunch of people at the bar that he was Johnny Acres.

And they all believed him and they gave him free drinks. I don't even know if David Acres has a son, but the bartender was very excited by that. That's great. I mean, that's a classic. Johnny Acres. Johnny Acres. So stupid. Like that.

That's great. All right. You want to have the Jalen conversation? You want to talk quarterbacks? Yeah. Okay. So, you know, rings matter. I would say so.

You know, I think Donovan is the guy right now. He's got six Pro Bowls. He's got all the longevity records. But, I mean, Jail is going to be here for a while. I think this is one where I probably would bet on by the end of his ego's career, he goes down as the best quarterback in franchise history. He has the most to still do,

but is still in the likely category, just because of the nature of the position and his contract and all of those things. I think it is a safe bet to think he'll be here for a while. Although we might have said that for Carson Wentz at some point, right? True. Yeah, true.

2019 season maybe. Yeah, I think. I think he will get there. I would, I have a hard time not putting him there. Already. Yeah. Interesting.

Yeah. Like two super. Yeah. Oh, excuse me, one Super Bowl ring, but two appearances. Two appearances.

Yeah. I mean, that's, you know, I know he had better teams than Donovan, so like there's that conversation. Yeah. But he won.

It's really hard to not look at the, the four biggest games of his career, the two NFC championships and the two Super Bowl. Yeah. and see a three-in-one record and see three a plus. And he does seem to play his absolute best ball in the biggest spot. I think it needs to get a little bit closer longevity-wise. I mean, he's only been the quarterback for four Cs.

Sure. I think you got to get to like seven. How far away is he like passing? Passing yards, he stole a good bit away from the. Yeah, but then you add on the rushing yards. He's already in the close to the top 10 in rushing yards and franchise history. Yeah, I think he still has some work. I think right now it's Donovan still.

But I think I think I would also bet on Jalen will get there pretty conclusively. So Jalen is six right now with just shy of 15,000 yards passing. Donovan's up at almost 33. Touchdowns, 85 to Donovan's 216. But like if he plays two and a half more seasons, the other stuff starts to take precedence. I can't. And he will play two and a half more seasons. I don't want to like Donovan Ehrasher like.

Play way more than that. his career because he was great and he was like one of my all-time favorite eagles. But I have like bad taste in my mouth leaving games. Like I was at the Arizona NFC championship game. And it's like he puts that Kevin Curtis a little bit more on the money. They're probably winning that game. Like he did come up small and big spots. And like I can't, I can't just shake that from my head.

Yeah. Now listen, Rich Bobby is making the point about who would you take to win one game. I do think that is a different conversation. And I think Jail would take Jail. we'll know would you take Julian over Nick Foles? Yes. I think probably.

Yeah. What about Tanner McKee? Well, that's tough. We'll have to see what the people have said about Zax. And by the way, we do appreciate the responses. Thank you for declaring me the victor of the game on Friday. I agree.

In the only place where I'm weaker compared to the other two offensive line, it's still a very good offensive line, so it's not an actual weakness, whereas the other two rosters have pretty good wide receivers. I'm very good. that I want. Yeah, listen, I, I just, I just think you're talking about the best quarterback in franchise history.

You do need a little bit more of longevity. Would you, let me ask you this, what is closer Donovan and Jalen or Andy Reid, Nick Siriani? Ooh. Who do you give more credit for? Like, if you're just talking height and Super Bowl appearances, right? kind of built the foundation for all of this. So, like, it's hard.

Like, I think, but he didn't win. But he didn't win. I think, I think, I think, I mean, I get, I think if Nick wins a second Super Bowl, I think it's not even a question. Probably. Yeah. Whereas, Nick makes a second Super Bowl. He's to have made three.

But even right now, I think, I think I would give more credit to that era to Andy in terms of best in franchise history than Donovan, if that makes sense. I agree with that. I agree there. Yeah. Have you guys seen the, the QB rankings? They've already come out. Yeah, I feel like Jalen Hertz's position.

That's going to, it's not just going to be Philly radio and people, national people are going to be arguing about Jalen Hertz the entire off season. I feel like, is he fifth? Is he 13th? Something like that. I know. I don't care. We won the Super Bowl.

That's probably. That's the healthy. I'm just saying that that's going to happen. Yeah. The Eagles fans are already not happy with. Now, for if I was to ask you like what other franchise would have a non-super Bowl winning quarterback as their top quarterback over a, or a winning Super Bowl quarterback over a non-super Bowl winning quarterback. There's really not many teams that could say that. Like wouldn't Jalen get the nod just for winning?

But like Dan Marino's head of like Bob Green. Reese. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. There's not a lot of these situations. Probably not. Well, let's think about it. Like Bradshaw versus Rothersberg, are they both won. Yeah, yeah, they both won. Eli versus Phil. Yeah. Well, Phil one. Like, is there a non-winner that,

that trumps a winner. Yeah, Dolphins is a good one. Dolphins is probably the prime example. I was going to say, like, when the bears don't have, like, they don't have an actual one. The Ravens. It probably is Jim McMahon. Like Lamar Jackson might be better than Trent. Yeah, that's a good one. Matt H in the comment there. Thank you, Matt. Or Flacco, too. But I think it would be Lamar, right?

Yeah, Lamar's better than Flacco. Flacco won four road playoff games in a row. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, yeah. It's a tough, it's a tough argument. That's a good one. I think that's a fair framing. Okay. What does the chat think? Is it, is it still McNabb? Or is it Jailen Hurts? I think it's still McNabb for now. Okay, do you have anybody else as likely? Don't have anybody else's likely this. The possible tier is loaded. Possible tier is loaded.

Let's get to the possible tier. All right. Top of the possible tier. I don't know who the, trying to think who the first person would be. I'm going to go with Jalen Carter. Oh, wow. As the,

as the top. Are we considering two D tackles? Are we considering one? No, it's got to just, this is just one. So, I mean, I think you're talking.

Fletcher Cox is going to can. I mean, but are you talking about, no, I know. Like, I wrote him down on my list. I think he's worthy of

the consideration. Where are we considering Reggie White? Oh, I thought we were saying D.N. Yeah, I consider it. So we're just saying, we're saying Reggie's an end and. And Carter's a attack. Okay. That's what I thought. Yeah, I think it's him. You're right. I understand different schemes. Yeah. And they do different things. Okay. Well, that's okay. If Reggie White's in the tier, I will move to back. I do not assume that. Okay. I assume that. Uh, he was number one. So for Gieland Carter to get past Fletch, it's going to take a lot of work. It is. That's why it's possible. Yeah. It's totally possible. Fletcher is on the all decades. team of tackles. Most of those guys make can't. How many pro bowls do you have the numbers offhand?

It had to be like six or seven right for Fletch. Yeah. I mean he was a generational type. So I think Fletch is it, but it's certainly possible. Would you say that Jalen Carter's first few years have been better than let's six pro bowls for Fletcher Cox? Yeah, but I would say his first couple years are better than Fletcher's first couple years. Fletch was was great too. But Jalen Carter is on a track. to be like, you know, like one of the two or three best defensive linemen in the week for like a four-year span. Absolutely. Like a complete game record. And I don't, Lutch was probably just like a little bit below that tier.

I know he had a couple seasons that were. He also suffered because he was in the same era as Aaron Donald. So he was never, you know, like that. But I just think Jalen Carter is going to be Aaron Donald. I think there's a real chance. There's a chance. Yeah, absolutely. For him to do it, he's got to intercept one of those spikes.

That's true. That's true. Once he does that, I'm in. Yeah, listen, that's how good of a player he has looked to be. But this, I mean, likely is the right tier. Yeah. It's going to take, it's going to take, like, health. Health, he's going to stay here.

Staying here. And he's going to play at this level for another, like, six or seven seasons. So they probably are going to avoid his fifth year option, right? Lock it up. So, yeah, I think they will sign him. to yeah like a 300 million dollar deal so you're looking at minimum nine years possibly 10 in an Eagles uniform is that enough to eclipse fled probably at that level probably you know Fletch six pro bowls but only one year as a first team all pro

Fran said he does not think he gets in he's on the outside looking at Hall of Fame yeah yeah we'll make multiple semi finalist lists but doesn't have the final cut would be my prediction I hope I'm wrong I mean, I got to give it to Fletch now, but it's certainly possible. So you were surprised. Who would you have had? Well, it's because I had Reggie. I was thinking of that's right.

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, okay. Okay. I have a few more. Oh, yeah, there's a bunch of the next one. Let's do one. Let's do one more. What do you guys think about Dallas Goddard? This is, now we had a, we had a little bit of this conversation on Friday.

Yeah. It's possible if he's here beyond this year. That's the tough part. and we're all sort of pricing in that he's going to be going after this year, I'm still relatively safely Ertz here. Yeah, me too. And maybe that is overvaluing

receiving production over the all-around player. But he's been so injured. That's one thing. I think you could make a case that him at his best was more valuable than Erts at his best, but I'm not sure I even agree with that either. I think, I think,

I think Ertz is pretty solidly the guy, which is funny to think about because this is actually, this is the position where the Eagles have had like, there are like five guys you can make a case for. There are a lot of really good tight ends in the Eagles history. So it's hard for me to give this one to Goddard. Yeah, it feels like Ertz is tough to be thrown here. I don't think he's going to get it,

but I feel like just because he's done a lot of the work. And let's say he has two more. Yeah. Decent years here. He's going to play one more. I'd be a little surprised if he was here next year, considering how that all played out. Yeah.

Just worth the mention, I think. How many Pro Bowls do you think Dallas Godder has made? One? I was going to say two. Zero. Oh, wow. Isn't that surprising? God, they just give.

Well, he's always heard. There's always like a four to six game stretch where he misses every year. Yeah. So that's going to kill you on that type of stuff. And I don't want to, you know, I don't want to be Mr. Pro Bowl guy, but it's a little bit surprising. Yeah. There's always Kiddle, you know, he's getting a spot.

And I think they only get two, but still. Yeah. How many did Earth have? I feel like they're... I'm gonna say three for Earths. But it's like you said, I feel like... Three for Earths. Might be...

Okay. Over indexing on the receiving a little too much. A little bit. But I don't think... God, it's a much better blocker than a hundred and six. Two much. 160 catches in a season. Chad Lewis getting some love with it.

Almost a double 60 catch season. Yeah. Chad Lewis had the nastiest injury in Eagles history. Where he got his, uh, his Mando area ripped. I don't remember that. Sanjay Samuel once had a lacerated groin. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, Chad Lewis got a spike in the rectum and rip the... Who hasn't? Yeah, I mean, geez, I still like get shivers just thinking about that. I don't need some full body deodorant. I will never forget Chad Lewis, because they had the miced up for the NFC championship game in 2005, so 2004 season. He makes the second touchdown catch of the game for him, and he breaks his foot. They had to play Jeff Thomas in the Super Bowl. but I'll never get, he's on the sidelines

and I forget who he's high-fiving, but he high-fives a guy and he's like, I broke my foot! He's like really excited. And it might have been Freddie Mitchell and Freddie Mitchell is like, seriously? Are you okay? He's like, let's go!

Because he is celebrating that they won the game, they're going to go to the Super Bowl. Right. But knows, it was a very interesting reaction for a bittersweet moment, I would say. So Dallas got her, like, he's already 13th in receiving yards. Franchise history.

That's higher than I would have guessed. Selleck is ninth with just shy of $5,000. But I don't think, no offense to Brent. I think he takes it to and Goddard over. Oh, I don't know. I think he can make a case for Seleck over Goddard right now. Over the, over the just the arc of his career.

Yeah. You could make that case. Yeah. I think, I think, Keith Byers too. I guess there's another guy that, well, Keith Jackson.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Keith Jackson, excuse me. First like three years were really good. Yeah. Yeah. 2009.

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That was great at its peak. Were you a Jackass guy? I mean, I watched, yeah. I watched Jackass. I mean, it's like a high variance. Sure. Sure. Yeah.

Right? Like some of them will make you laugh as hard as anything. Some of them are just like, I got to look away. Like, I can't. I'll never forget the paper cuts between the toes. That's like, that is, I can not even handle thinking about that. Yeah. The one that I'll always remember, I think it's in the second movie.

They have We Man on a seat that would like shock him. And they're pretending that it's a guy throwing cards at him. and he just he just does not comprehend that it's not the cards and it's the joy in that room just laughing at it as he can't figure it out that's great that's very good all right who else is on your potential there's a few names here so

you got four names left here on my list all right let's let's talk running back let's talk Seguan that is it possible yes uh one season in it's a good season though so he had over 2,000 rushing yards last year, obviously. If he does 75% of that, he'll already be 10th all-time

on the all-time rushing list for the Eagles after two seasons. That's crazy. You know, with 1,500 rushing yards. You know, Shady had had six seasons that he was here. Because this is a position where the shelf life is so short,

I mean, Shady's atop all the record books for the Eagles. You know, he and Westbrook. Westbrook would be the top. Both made three Pro Bowls, I think. I don't know. Like, Sequin has two more years like this or even close to this. I mean, probably the guy. If he has two more seasons like this, he ties Brian Westbrook for rushing yard.

Yeah. And Eclipse is most likely touchdowns, too. And he was tackled at the one yard line, what, 10 or 11 times last year? So theoretically, there's an opportunity for more touchdowns next season. I mean, it's certainly possible. I mean, Shady, if you look at his 2013 season, that's probably his best season, right? And Westbrook 2007 is probably his best season when they weren't very good. I mean, that's just not even close to what Seguan did last year, right?

This is a completely different level. I don't think that he needs to get to like to pass Shady's volume to be thought of this way. No. But I think he needs like he needs two more years of being the best running back in football. Yeah. I don't think we've ever been able to say as Eagles fans that we've had the best running back in football for a three year period.

I don't know that anybody's ever been able in like 20 years. Yeah, like Vikings LT maybe. Yeah, like it's just the shelf guys. But like that's how, that's how specially is. Yeah. So yeah, if he can do it for two more years, I think you can very much say there's a pretty damn good chance.

Well, and with receiving yards too, he doesn't even have the benefit of the Andy Reed screens. I mean, true. I know. I kept seeing Westbrook. I thought I was on Russia. I was on the receiving page, he's 17th and receiving. It was so good.

You know who Dana's has as the best running back in franchise history? Dallas Goddard. Classic oversight by us. Okay, yes. Who else do you have? Well, and this is getting like you're getting in early, but yeah. Getting in early. So let's not say the guys who were in their first year.

I think it's fair to say possible. Let's just say this guy plays for a long time because it's already a position we talked about. And that's Jordan Milato. Okay, if you're saying just left tackle? Yeah. Look, he's going to have to play forever. And he's going to have to play at a super high level.

I don't think it's going to happen. But I think he has played well enough over the past few years that you at least have to have done. What was Jason Peters? A decade? Yeah. I think that's tough for me. You don't think he's ever going to get there. I don't know.

Yeah. I don't know that he can never get. Because he was a couple of goals. He was. actually it's funny that Milata has an all pro pro but not a pro bowl that is funny

yeah I don't you're right you're right that's stupid no it's not stupid I consider them I don't think I don't think realistically

he could get there you're right for me all right then let's move on the next two I'm just gonna say same position

one of them podcasts here Quinion Mitchell I think is the primary one's a lot that is possible absolutely block. And I'll just say...

There's another one where, like, the bar is pretty high. You know, you've got Eric Allen. You can make a case for Troy Vincent, but, you know, Sanjay was a small... Just don't say, don't mention puberty in front of Troy Vincent. Because he's going to lose his mind. That is not appropriate. This is the NFL.

This is the NFL. There are women who can hear this. not any of the owners mind you but how tell you mention a what dream ridiculous I think Asante's small sample size so right that's a crucible

yeah yeah I mean I think it's Eric Allen it's Eric Allen and the rest are I think Quignan can be better than Eric Allen I mean I'll say it with my chest

I know you do yeah I mean I'm gonna go down and fighting for that one Eric Allen was amazing but if Quignan is he for 12 years. 12 years. Probably is he entered a little bit older.

Yeah. You figure what, 33 is the fall off for the rare examples of like the sleigh types, like 32, 33. He's like, what is he? The odds are he's not playing. 10 years. Can we say 10? I think that's too much.

What was Eric Allen's unrealistic? Prime here. No, I don't think he needs to play that long. I'm just saying he's got a long way to go. He's played one year. Yeah, Locke. Greatest cornerback in Eagles franchise history. when yon Mitchell okay

I would bet I mean I would bet against it yeah I mean I'm giving it to EA but I think it's 100% within the realm of possibility so Eric Allen it's unlikely Eric Allen was amazing I have like done like a YouTube deep dive of some of his highlights man the quarterbacks were not very good yeah that's fair he was only here seven years he has a pick six one of his best plays against the Jets

it's an awesome return oh it's amazing it's one of the worst throws I've ever seen it's boomer size of two. It was probably like one of the better quarterback. Like not a bad quarterback. He had four pick sixes that year in 1993. Now if you split off nickel into its own position.

So that is that getting closer to likely? I think that's more likely. Yeah. That's what I mean. The problem is is he going to stay there? Yeah. He's going to want to get paid more. Yeah. Now you could make it worth his while. You could make him you could pay him like a yeah star caliber outside corner.

What do you make of that whole situation? Jamie and I were talking about that last week. Like I think it's very, to me, it's clear that on this current team, the best spot for him to play is in the slot. I think that's right. And I think he proved last year that it's, it's probably a more valuable position than we give a credit for when it's played like he did. Specifically in this defense.

Yes. Yeah. But they don't make as much money at that spot. So is there going to be a time when, when how much? Probably, probably his fourth year, you know, unless they have already signed him to a deal, he's going to want to be on the outside. Yeah, unless Howie and Jeffrey give him the,

hey, we'll take care of you like that. Right. I'm just saying, and it's not even something that he has brought up. It's probably something we don't even need to think about until at least next year. It's just something I have my eye on because, like, he was one of the most valuable players on the defense last year, and he has the ability to play this position that has what you would say is a higher earning potential.

Yeah. But the best spot to put him in is in the slot. Fran says he's, uh, Cooper's got to pass Bobby Taylor for that spot. Okay. It was a very good player, but certainly... But who also eventually moved outside. Yeah. Okay.

Now. Quinn Young, you got it, man. Can Zach Bonn get there? I have him down on my list. And I think, yes, 100%. He was the first name in my long shot category. Long shot. Because he's already older, and he'd have to have at least two more seasons like this.

Not a lot of miles on those tires, though. That's true. Now you got Bill Bergey. Now, I am, I am discounting Chuck Ben-Naric right now. Yes. Otherwise, it just would be Chuck Ben-Rick. You got Bill Bergey, who's got four Pro Bowls. Trots got four Pro Bowls.

I am like really, like Seth Joyner, criminally underrated historically. Only two Pro Bowls. Meanwhile, he's one of like the only players in NFL history who has as many sacks and interceptions as he has. He was awesome. A true playmaker at that position. But two more years like that from Zach Bonn,

and you can make you can make the case. I mean, have any of those guys ever been defensive player of the year finalists? Yeah, it's a good question. You know,

like off the top of my head, I don't think so. I mean, he is similar to Sequin and then, yeah, he might have one of the best single years in the Eagles history at the position.

And there's probably a natural regression this year. Like, he probably won't be as good just the same as like Seekwan probably won't be as good and still be a pro bowler. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

And better than most we've seen. I, I guess I'm just like, he might be in the possible category instead of the long shot category. It's just, it's a little hard because he starts at 28 years old, right? It's not the- Yeah, exactly. Joyner was runner-up, Neil tells us. So Seth was a runner-up for defense player the year once.

So that's, I think it's Seth, one, right? I think I would, if we're discounting Ben-Erick, I think I probably would go Seth, even though the, uh, the accolades go burgy. But, I mean, that was real concussion, Uncle, How do you feel about Trot? I mean, it's the Axeman. I think he got the most out of what he had and could provide, but maybe not as good as some other.

He was a great player. He didn't feel like the most important guy on that defense and the way that Bond sometimes felt last year. I agree. Wasn't as good in coverage. I think he was a little, well, I think he was, yeah, it was a little bit more one dimensional.

Yeah. But that's still awesome. That's what they wanted. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when he left for Washington and they took a hit, immediately. I mean, it's pretty unlikely, but.

Yeah, I would say joiner's the one he's probably got to eclipse. All right, that was everybody else on my list. Did you guys have anybody? No, I mean, I had Nolan Smith as like it. I mean, that would never happen like, because that's Reggie White, like, or whatever. Yeah, all the other good players are blocked, right?

Yeah. He's blocked. Cam Juergens blocked. Yeah. Which, which starter do you think has the worst chance? let's see here which starter has the worst chance

or any I mean if you were going specialists I would say that Charlie Hewlett has the worst chance because he's already like 34 oh I know he's not going to get past read Blanketship as the worst chance yeah

yeah it's a good one as a true starter listen to exciting mics yeah that's probably right yeah because you've got Doc yeah Although I think Blankenship has a better chance than Hewlett. He can't possibly be here that long.

He can't outpace Levato and Doranboss. Yeah, that's... I mean, I'm sorry to the Hewlett family, but I'm just calling it like I see it. Did you get any highs on Hewlett at OTAs? Handsome young, handsome old man? How old is he? let me check I think he's 56

Tray Junkin has 35 35 yeah yeah I mean you just can't get there Tyler Steen Paul says yeah although we talked about guard

like that's more realistic yeah that's more realistic than the safety position yeah that's who I have I mean John Dotson if you're grouping him in with all wide receivers.

Listen, I hope we play. I hope, yeah, I hope this is a true freezing cold takes exposed or whatever and 15 years from now, Charlie Hewlett's still snapping the ball at 50 years old and I've got, I got my face, but.

I'm, you heard it here first. It's not going to happen. Are we ready, Julia? Rich, I'm going to call on you today. Because we're about to head to overtime. All right. I promised it.

You've all been waiting with bated breath. I don't remember when this was. I think maybe August the three of us did a draft, a six-round draft for cumulative defensive snaps played. Now, before I read the results,

should we include playoff snaps or not? I think yes. I think yes. Okay. How long did this take you? This is definitely going to ship it in Bo's favor. I'm just,

I'm just, I'm okay. The order here went Jamie, then rich, than me. It was a snake draft. Jamie, with the first overall pick. Oh, boy. You made a very smart selection. Wasn't the person who finished first, but it was a very safe choice.

Jalen Carter, 831 regular season snaps, 237 playoff snaps, nicely done. Played more snaps than we thought, too. Yes, it was 81%. With the second pick, Rich, you took Reed Blankenship. Smart base hit. 821 regular season snaps, 264 playoff snaps.

With the first pick for me, another good pick, and this was the best pick, Quinyon Mitchell. Ah, my boy. 955 snaps, 204 playoff snaps, led the team in snaps. Wow. Nicely done, Bo.

That's the last time we're going to say nicely done, Boe. Because with the fourth overall pick, I took Bryce Huff. No. What was the snap count there, Beau? 285 regular season snaps. 13 playoffs.

Wow, he got 13? Tough come down for me there. I was thinking about that during the entire Super Bowl, too. I know. Everybody's completely screwed from this draft we did four months ago. Rich, second round, you took C.J. Garner Johnson. Another very good pick. 908 regular season snaps, 263 playoff snaps.

Jamie on the turn. First to go Darius Slay. Nicely done. 699 regular season snaps, 248. Playoff snaps, very well done. What's next? Next, it took Kili Ringo. So you bet on Kili Ringo to be making some moves on the defense.

He didn't have a ton. 112 regular season snaps. What the hell was I thinking there? That was surprising. What the hell? I think maybe you were thinking Quinyon would play inside. Yeah, me. It was possible.

So this must have been like, training camp when Cooper DeGine was still injured, right? So then Rich, you go to Kobe Dean as the first linebacker drafted. 858 regular season snaps. Playoffs not as many. 23 playoff snaps,

but pretty solid. This was a good turn for me here. Josh sweat 622 regular season snaps, 199 playoffs snaps. And then I took Cooper DeGine. So 627 regular season snaps, 254 in the playoffs. I'm making up for Bryce huff a little bit, so that was pretty good. Rich then goes Jordan Davis, 388 regular season snaps,

57 playoff snaps. A good turn here for you, Jamie. All right. Milton Williams. Nice. 501, then 153. And then Nolan Smith, bang, 546, 209. But then Rich makes the pick of the draft. Yes. In the fifth round, number 17 overall, the all pro himself, the man who could one day become the best linebacker in Eagles history. That's going to win. Zach Bond at 939 and then 266. Then I took Jeremiah Trado, Jr., 104 and 6, and Sidney Brown,

79 and 6. So a bit of a, yes, a bit of a fart in the win for me at the end. Rich, really nice laid-round pick here. It goes Morrow OJomo, 388, and then 102. And then Jamie, you close this bad boy with Devin White,

zero snaps. So in third place, cumulative snaps, including the playoffs. I thought Bryce Huff was bad. I can't believe I didn't make funny you that first week. Yeah, I forgot all about it. In third place, Boe Wolf, 3,354 snaps. In second place, just edging me out. Jamie Lynch with 3,551.

and then outpacing us by almost like... Did he miss? 50%. No misses here at all. 5,277 snaps. Give it up, give it up for Handsome Rich. Except the award. I can't wait to do it again.

I mean, we got it running back in August. We got to run it back. Zach Bond, man. What a pick. Yeah, I mean, we must have done it in August because I feel like if we had done it at this time, I'm surprised that Devin White went that late,

you know, because it must have been, it might have been pre-week-1. Yeah. It must have been after Devin-White was already declared not the starter. Maybe. Maybe it was pre-week-1.

When Jack was in Brazil. But I don't know if I would have taken him if he wasn't in the starter hunt. But he was still on the team. I mean, he went last. He went 18th. We didn't know his situation until, like, right before.

It was like the week leading up to the first game. Yeah, like came out that they were like dropping. I think it must have been week, right, pre week one. That was a horrible pick. I think we got to do it again in August. And I think the, uh, the Drew McCuba, Sidney Brown decision will, uh, that'll be a big one. That'll be a big one. Swing it.

And he's studying up. Does who's going to give the kiss of death to? Rice off. Right. Oh. Ray's off. Very funny. Devin White also very funny.

Zero snaps. Zero snaps is good. Yeah. Yeah, I must have been thinking that Zach Vaughn, like, wasn't a shoe in to be the starter. Well, I mean, it was also the A, there weren't that many. Yeah. The people who had, who had real snaps that we didn't draft were Isaiah Rogers and Aponte Maddo. Okay.

Isaiah Rogers in hindsight should have been taken ahead of, I went with Ringo. Yeah. Yeah, that was bad. Hi, upside. Yeah. Okay. All right. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast.

Thanks, everybody for watching. and listening. Spirit Week rolls on tomorrow. Mystery guest. Yes. And handsome Fran is going to be with us for that. We look forward to that. Wednesday,

don't forget, we got the exciting. What are we calling it? Musical Chairs Day. Musical Chairs Day. Slash All-Star Day. Slash Sub-Athonged-down, Pineapple Day.

It's going to be very fun. We've got all kinds of fun shows that we're doing. Fran's back on Thursday. And then on Friday, a fun draft with Fran, Zach, and myself. Again, we're bringing back

one player or coach or thing per team draft. So 32 things. You had to get one from every team in the NFL. That'll be a fun one. Can't wait to see where Chris Lindstrom goes in that draft. So for Rich and Jamie, thanks to everybody for watching and listening. Thank you to Julia. Although still in the doghouse, we will see you tomorrow. And as always, we love you.