PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - How might the Eagles go about replacing Pro Bowl guard Landon Dickerson?

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

Landon Dickerson suffered an injury Sunday night at the Eagles’ open practice, potentially leaving Jeff Stoutland in a difficult situation as he tries to backfill the position next to Jordan Mailata, Cam Jurgens, Tyler Steen and Lane Johnson. The leading internal options to replace Dickerson are Brett Toth, Matt Pryor and Kenyon Green, though that’s not it. EJ Smith, in his official PHLY debut, along with Fran Duffy and Bo Wulf break down the situation and update their thoughts on the many roster competitions. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast on a beautiful Monday afternoon, we are presented by Dudat Dental and True Mark Financial Credit Union Bow Wolf, Fran Duffy, and you see him over there for the first time. PHLY's E.J. Smith, welcome to the show, E.J. Oh, thank you so much for having me. Thank you. Thank you. I feel like ever since the Ospreys people have been throwing a party for me on the internet, and that has been a unique experience to say the least. It's been a little bit more toxic than your normal internet experience.

I feel like my Eagles followers are curated to be very non-toxic. I feel like I've got a good community over there. Okay. But no, I do appreciate everybody. All the kind words. It's been, like I said, overwhelming and flattering. But really, I'm just excited to, like, be here and talk about football with you guys. Like, ever since, you know, the last couple weeks, I have been just very anxious to try and heap up with you two.

At some of the best football minds, at least in the media. that's what I'll call you guys. So yeah, very excited for the show. I'm trying to get better at taking compliments, but I don't know if I believe that, but thank you. Nice to say, Fran, how are you doing? Doing great. No, I'm excited.

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Yeah, so it was about 10 minutes before the end of practice. He went down during team drills. Fran actually made the astute observation that he got his feet tangled up. looked like he got stepped on by Jordan Milata. Trainers came out. A lot of players were on one knee, standing around and Milata was kind of walking around, shaking his head. And yeah, he needed a lot of help getting off to the sideline.

You know, it was actually kind of surprising that they wanted him to walk off. And after that, after, you know, being on the training table for a few minutes on the sideline, the cart came and they brought him indoors. And they wrapped up practice pretty quickly after that. So, you know, it definitely wasn't a great look. He was holding his right knee on a side. way out to or on his way into the facility or indoors. So yeah, I haven't heard a whole lot about what it might be. I think it's it's kind of still lingering and looming at this point. But

reports are he was in for an MRI today. Yes. Presumably on the knee, but we'll see. Looks like the yeah, it definitely looked like the right knee. I don't know. So. Yeah. Honestly, that won't. So he's down the ground and they showed one replay of the play. I think before the board realized that he got hurt. And so my eyes go there and you can see like he and my lot of like his left foot dickerson's left foot got caught up and when he took that bad step he tried to brace himself with his right and that's where he like he kind of got tripped up a little bit and so my mind initially went to like worst case scenario uh which would be like you know i'm thinking of like nicobie's injury where it's like betteller now they they could tell patler like

right off the bat like you know that injury like on the field uh so the fact that it had so it's not that um so is it meniscus is it a sprain like obviously the eagles are hoping that it's more on the low end of that. So we shall find out. Honestly, it wouldn't shock me if that broke like during the show. I would not be surprised about that either. And listen, Eagles friends are used to seeing Lyndon Dickerson go down.

This happens a lot where he goes down hard and then plays through pain. But for him to be carted off tells you that this is a little bit. And the fact that he's getting an MRI tells you that it's a little something more significant than that. He usually does like try to get up almost immediately whenever he's hurt. And he kind of did try that yesterday and just couldn't get up. So yeah, definitely definitely a major one to watch.

All right. Well, then let's get into what the potential replacements for Lennon Dickerson would be, whether that is for an interim period of time or, you know, knock on wood, not this, but for the entire season. And let's make that the big deal presented by Cherry Hill Kia. The big deal is presented by Cherry Hill Kia if you want to. I know that some people get Kia's somewhere else, but I don't know why. Okay. Now, let's start because, I mean, this is fascinating,

and it's interesting because the Eagles get a full day off now to sort of think about what their plan of attack would be. And we should say that because Dickerson is coming off of an injury, there are a lot of times in practice right now where he's not taking reps. He gets reps off with the ones. And every time that that is the case, every single time, the person who gets the first team reps at Left Guard is Brett Tooth. Do you think that Brett Tooth is a realistic possibility

to replace Lyndon Dickerson in the starting lineup? I think that's probably he's probably got the pole position right you know it feels like that would just because of based off their actions it feels like uh bret toth would be the guy that they would insert there as the full time starter yeah I guess it depends on what dickerson's injury is because if you if it is season ending then I do feel like there's a possibility that you move tyler scene over to left guard to facilitate Matt prior being at right guard or I mean I guess we can talk about some of the other options but I think prior would be the other one that I keep an eye on just like he's played a lot more football than

Brett Toe at the very least. Maybe it's not the most high level football, but he's got the experience. But for some strange reason, like, well, I guess it's not a strange reason. He has not played very much right guard. He's played almost every other position except for Saturday. He's played left tackle and right tackle. But for some reason, when he plays guard, he's mostly at right guard. So again, do you want to mess with Steen, though, is I guess the biggest question. And especially if it is a short term thing, putting him at left guard for a few weeks might be a little bit too much. He's having a good summer. But again, we've seen things kind of go sideways for him before. Yeah. My guess is they would not go to the.

that right away unless you know unless they get word today that it's a season ending injury and then they might consider that but even then you know tylerstein has been up and down throughout his career the fact that he is settling in now and playing well i would be pretty surprised if they if they moved him especially given all the time investment of you know working with lane i think it would be more likely if they do prefer prior to to that they would just put prior left guard yeah i guess at that point Maybe you're arguing like, you know, prior uncomfortable left guard, but keeping steam settled right? Be the better alternative.

Yeah. Yeah. Now what kind of player is Brett Tooth in your mind, friend? Yeah, I mean, I think you're looking at a guy. He's been in the league now, really with the Eagles for, we're talking five, six years at this point. Now he did have a cup of tea down in Arizona with the Cardinals, but athletic, you know, we know the versatility.

He was a college tackle. The Eagles have played him a lot at center. He has had issues in the past with snapping, but he's played a lot more guard. here this summer then center. I think when you're looking at him in terms of like body type and skill set, and in terms of like recent Eagles, he's got like a linear build that is similar to like Evan Mathis. You know,

yeah, talking like body type and skill set. You know, he's not as thick and burly as, you know, certainly like Landin and Mackay Beckton, those kind of guys. So like Evan Neal.

It's like, yeah, but even like Evan Neal has got, he's got like broad shoulders. He is a, he is a like linear like small forward type of frame when you get Brett Tooth. Yeah, I mean,

Look, this is a guy that was, you know, played at Army. Like, he is like, he's got an athletic build. So, yeah, it would definitely be a different feel. You know, and that's where when you're looking at the Eagles and the way that they orchestrate the run game, so much of it is, all right, you have Milata and Dickerson. Yeah. And it's, you know, 700 pounds of massive humanity,

just moving people off the ball. You don't have that same impact when it's Brett Toeth at left guard next to Milata. What about prior as a run blocker? Yeah, I mean, certainly you get that massive humanity aspect of it, where, you know, he's just a bigger, thicker build. And to me, like, while I do think Toh is probably good, that's probably the favorite. I feel like by the end of the summer that it would probably be prior. That would be my, that would be my gut that they would rather see prior at that spot.

Um, just because of his skill set, his familiarity. The floor there, I think is higher. Um, yeah, I, I think prior would be a better fit. Now, there are, there are more people to talk about. And, and I do think we need to start with, you know, we are all, uh, we've all got like habits that we're trying to, to break. Right? Like the things we'd like to do better. You know, like, okay, today is the day where I'm going to, you know, start my diet.

Or today is the day that I'm going to like, you know, really work out more, whatever it is. This is not the same thing. But I do feel like Kenyon Green had to go to bed last night being like, okay, this is it. Like tomorrow I have got to start because, listen, this is the opportunity. He has only been playing left guard. He gets to work with Jeff Statland. if he would get to play next to Jordan Milana, like this,

this would be the chance for him to, to regain, like, starting caliber status. And if it's not him in this situation, you know, he might be out of the league. Yeah. Yeah, but what is your favorite saying? You can't make the clump from the top? Yeah.

I mean, he's currently on the injury report with a shoulder injury. So, and this is the second time he's been on the injury. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I feel like I'll defer to you on this frame, but I feel like he hasn't shown very much so far this summer. Obviously, first round talent.

but has not been trustworthy. He hasn't been like the Mackay Bechtin story from last summer where it's like he kind of hits the ground running in the Eagle system with Jeff Stalind's tutelage. So I think you're right. Like I think the Eagles probably wish that he was looking like somebody who is just pushing to start

but he really has not looked that way this summer. Now he did play the other night. You are among the truly deranged who watched the offensive line play from that game. What did you make of Kenyon Green in his Eagles debut? Yeah, 16. snaps, eight runs, eight passes. Nice, nice and clean. Beautiful. And honestly, I feel like if I were to

chart it, I already chart those 16 plays. Eight pluses, eight minuses. Yeah, I feel like it would be like, maybe like four pluses, four minuses and eight in between. That's kind of how it was for Kenyon Green. He had one rep earlier or was like, yeah, there's the power, the ability to move people off the ball. And then he had some where he just, you know, missed his target and let somebody get cross face and get past him into the backfield. He gave up. I believe there was one pressure that I don't know if he was charted for it, but I probably would have given him a pressure allowed. I think when you're looking at Kenyon Green, the ability is there. The consistency certainly needs to improve. I think there are some technical things that he can continue to hone in on. But at the end of the

day, like, yeah, he's got to be healthy. And the fact that he started camp, you know, injured, he was injured again. It's not too late, but the clock is ticking because they, Jeff Stoutland will want to have this ironed out by like, I don't know, end of next week. Yeah, no doubt about it. You would imagine that this is like, you know, how he would like to see him on the field, would like to see what it would look like. Maybe this is a guy who is more of a front runner, right?

Like if he's being loved up and he's working with the ones, maybe you're going to get more out of him. Who knows? Stout knows how to work with those guys better than I do. But it'll be disappointing if he's not on the field on Tuesday in some capacity, right? Like, who knows what his injury is, but... Yeah, I mean, just for the sheer fact that he probably would get a real chance at

So you're right. If he is at all capable of playing, he would be trying to take advantage of this opportunity. I think it's going to be just fascinating to see what they do on Tuesday because if we don't get official news of a diagnosis on Lennon Dickerson before then, it will tell us a lot about what they think. Like if it's just Brett Tooth, it'll tell you that they're, they are a little bit more casual about it. Maybe he'll be back sooner or maybe they're happy to give Tooth the runway.

If it's something that's not that, then it tells you that they've done a lot of work. now there are still other guys what about Trevor Kagan do you think that he has a real shot here EJ yeah I actually it's funny when I think about Trevor Kagan I think of a point you made earlier Fran about the fact that the backup center job is also a concern right now no question yes and I think of Trevor Kagan snapping scleries throughout training camp and it definitely is a concern but in terms of him at guard I don't think he's shown a whole lot this summer I mean I kind of actually you know there was a world where like he came into training camp this summer and like push for the job yeah he has a good at guard I don't think he's shown a whole lot this summer I mean I kind of

He has done, he has not done that. So again, like the Eagles would have loved to have like a guard competitor for Tyler Steen. The fact that they don't have one now informs how I look at this situation if Dickerson misses time. I actually think that the player whose roster spot was solidified after this injury. Well, depending on what the injury is, is Drew Kendall. Yeah. Because I think that before landed Dickerson, he is the backup center. Like if there's an injury to Juergens, Dickerson slides in and then you put somebody else in at left guard,

I think now, I don't know that you can feel comfortable with Brett Toh or Keegan or any of these other guys going in and being the starting center. From a snap like operation standpoint, I think that now it's like, like Kendall, you probably feel better about going in. Even if he's not the number two center, just having somebody in there that's going to be on the 53 that has snapped over you for more than six months. You know how angry I'm going to be if the Eagles keep a third day center only draft pick who plays no. other positions as their backup center game day. The draft, you know, it's a center deficient league. It's hard to find guys you can snap the ball. Yeah, because you keep letting Dylan McMahon go.

Last, last player is Darren Kinnard, who has moved to right guard from right tackle over the past week plus. If he can play right guard, I imagine he can play some left guard. He's played left tackle before. So it's possible that he's just the guy that that's that likes best. I don't think that that's super crazy either. I think it's going to be like there, there are. I think Kagan is probably less likely.

I think there are four guys who, if Dickerson is out, could legitimately start week one. If I were to do turkeys, I would give Kinnard more turkeys than Kegan, I think. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah, I think, I think Knaard, he's definitely got, he might actually, I mean, he might have better shot than Kenyon Green.

It's possible, yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's healthy. Right. What kind of player is he? More finesse than power? Yeah, he is more like in the prior build. Yeah.

In terms of just the body type and the skill set. Prior, like, Darren Kinnard is hoping to be Matt Pryor, right? Like he's been in the league now for a couple years and it's stuck. Like Matt Pryor has carved out a nice, you know, seven years in the NFL at this point, eight years in the NFL. So I think that Pryor is probably the higher floor right now because you know what to expect. Whereas with Kinnard, like maybe there's a little bit more of a ceiling. Right.

I think at the end of the day, like Pryor would probably be more of the favorite. All right. Well, let's do turkeys then. Let's let's say, let's say Dickerson is out for. two months. Just shot in the dark. Week one starting left guard. Where would you put your turkeys?

Week one, starting left guard. If he's out for six weeks, I think I'm going. Well, go ahead. No, go ahead. Well, so there's toth, green, canard, prior. Yeah.

I don't think I'm putting any on Keegan week one. I don't think I would either. So I would go, I think I'd go 40 on Tooth. Yeah. I was going to 35 or 40. Yep. 35 on prior.

Yeah. 15 on green and 10 on Kinnard. Okay. Yeah. I think I'd be right around the same. You could flip Kinnard and Kedin Green if you wanted. Right. No, I think that's, I think that's about where I'm at. Okay. Now listen, I'm new to the turkeys game. So I'm not going to do the mental math on the fly. I'm going to rank them for you.

Okay. I have all my, not to spoil anything, but I've got all my turkey calculations. We got lots of turkeys coming. I have them written out where I like calculated them all myself to make sure I didn't mess them up. So I'm probably going to put prior just ahead of Toh like if we're giving again, don't don't check my math here people. Okay. 35 maybe for Prior 30 for Tooth. Okay. I just, I might be overstating the fact that Prior has played like media football before, but I do feel like the fact that we've seen him in games.

I'm just, I'm putting some confidence in that. I actually might have Kennard over Green. I just haven't seen it with Kenny on Green. So, yeah, I'm, again, not going to do the math just yet, but give me some time. You're going 35, 30, 25, 20? I'm going to take your word for it. No, is that too many? Oh, yeah, it's too much.

Yeah, 25, 10. Yeah, 25. Okay. All right. Okay. Like that. All right. All right.

Well, that is the big deal presented by the good folks at Cherry Hill Kia. And speaking of good folks, the chat is just lighting up with super chats. Have you seen the Aspen Villa chat in there too? No. That's, oh. Now listen, E.J.,

don't be written the comments too much in the middle of the show. We can't go down that road. But we start with the first super chat from EJ's sick guitar riffs. And is that a photo from the Ospreys? Looks like it. All right.

Let me extend a very warm welcome to E.J. But now that you are free of the evil Bostonian Empire, tell us your real thoughts on two pairs of socks. Oh, we can address this later, right? Yeah, I think we'll get to this in overtime. The two socks talk for over time. Okay. Jason with a J says E.J.

It's a brand new day in a clean slate. Let's not give anyone a reason to put up any more Reddit posts. I don't, what did I miss? Was that from the same thing? I think people have just been, yeah, listen. Yeah, I think it's from the same thing. People have been, they've been, they've been, I appreciate the, you know, the fact that people were interested.

Yeah, fair. S.R.G. No, that was the same one. Mikey Fazed says the Ospreys were so much fun. Great to meet the hosts and sickos Noah, Alex, Richard, and Rich Bobby. Welcome EJ. Thank you, Mikey. I mean, what a fun.

That was a great night. One of the best nights of the job. That was fantastic. Great atmosphere. Oh, SRG, I didn't. Oh, because there's another. Oh, no, okay. SRG, welcome EJ.

Let's start with the basics. Where did you go on your honeymoon? I went to Las Vegas and San Diego. Now, let me put something out there right now. Like me and my wife aren't really Vegas people. Yeah. Good. Yeah.

This is a good start. Yeah, good start. We went to Vegas and we drove to like Zion National Park. Okay. And we kind of did like all the, we like did a helicopter tour of the Grand Canyon. We did a lot of outdoorsy Vegas activities. We didn't really spend much time in the conventional Vegas experience. Okay.

Good for you. Yeah. Yeah. But you didn't get married in Vegas. No, definitely not. Okay. You can see the Apple Tower? I saw a copy of the iPhone Tower.

Super chat from Killicap. Welcome, E.J. Did you know that the one, did you know that one time the guy who played Mr. Belvedere accidentally sat on his balls and they had to stop filming for a couple days? I did not know that. You didn't know that? Oh, I know. Everybody knows that.

Steve Kloft. Welcome, E.J. thrilled to have you here. Good luck with all the sick of questions. That could have been helpful. That would have been helpful before the last one. Thank you to everybody. All right.

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If we get a manned for you. There would be nothing better for you to start things off as Amanda. All right. Turkey is the training camp. Let's start at quarterback where there's a battle for the number three job. You were gassing up Dorian Thompson Robinson the other day. Kyle McCord or Dorian Thompson Robinson. How do we feel where are your turkeys?

I'll go first. I'll start things off. Now last time we did this, I had 100 on McCord and zero on DTR. I'm backing off of that. but I'm still going 70-30 for McCourt. I agree that Thomason Robertson has probably outplayed him. I just think they're more likely to use that spot on the developmental guy. DTR could be the developmental guy.

Okay. I'm going to go 6535 in favor of DTR. Really? Yeah, I think so. Wow. Yeah, I just, I don't know, man. Like I said it to, I even said it to EJ last night. It could just be like, you know, whatever.

You were 90-10 last time. Was I 90? I mean, yeah, I just thought, I think that McCord is going to be kept over him, he has to be like leaps and bounds ahead of him and like in the classroom from a like, oh yeah, like this guy gets it. He's going to be a future number two

when we trade Tanner McKee for a first round pick next year. Like that's, to me, like you have to have that kind of faith that McCord is going to be able to reach that ceiling because I just, honestly, like, DTR has just been better in practice. So, you know, again, on the field. And there's more to it than just what we've seen.

I think he's, he's just looked smoother, man. Like in the areas where, like, for what McCord is, he needs to be better in the areas where he is, he has not looked super smooth. So Comacord is three years younger than during Thompson Robinson. And if you're just thinking about the, what you get from the investment,

you get four years of team control, whereas Thompson Robinson are only getting two. Yeah. I agree he's outplayed him so far. But if you're thinking of it as a long-term investment, what do you think, EJ? I went 80-20 DTR. Really?

You know, it was going to surprise me. Wow. To me, I hear what you're saying. I feel like this is the biggest difference we've ever had. The team, the team building aspect, that point is a good one, that the cost-controlled nature of keeping calm a court around. But this team is in a championship window. And if you asked me to, like, if there was an emergency quarterback situation where the

third quarterback was coming in, I'd feel a lot better about it being Dorian Thompson-Robinson. I think they could have a credible offense with him on the field. Is it going to be amazing? I don't think so. But I do think, to France point, he has played a lot better than him throughout training camp. I came into training camp similar to you. I thought McCord was going to run away with it. But I don't know.

Something seems to have clicked for DTR. And I, yeah, I think that if you were asking me, like, which one would you rather have as your third quarterback? Like, not in the long term. In the short term for a team that is, you know, values backup quarterbacks. And once to contend, I would lean toward DTR for sure. I don't disagree that he's more suited to be the third quarterback on. like any actual game. I just think roster machinations-wise,

there's probably a way to keep them both in the building. And if you do that, he's got draft pedigree just like Kyle McCord does. Now he's older, but still he's got the pedigree where I don't know if he gets through waivers. I don't know. Especially he's like before.

I think McCord has a better shot of going through waivers and DTR. I don't know. He was a sixth round pick three months ago and hasn't looked great. But DTR's like on the field when he's played was the worst quarterback in football. Yeah, for the Brown.

Yeah, yeah, you know You can talk yourself into it This is an interesting one Yeah, I go Okay You're look you're not You're not king of the beats for nothing I mean you've got a good thing

Well we got to talk about that Because he's not king of the beat No, no, no, no no Hold on Hold on You are the defending roster prediction I totally forgot

Wait Wait you're so we'll call King of the Beats Yeah, but you won't call me King of the Beats You don't become King of the Beach? You don't become King of of the beats until you've at least one back to back. That is moving. When you get to back to back?

Then we're then like then you get the crap. A historic king of the beats maybe, you know, through a dynastic king of the beats of the past. But I won it last year. That makes me king of the beats. No, it makes you the defending champion. That's, I don't know. I don't, that seems to.

To rise to king, you have to demonstrate the superiority for a longer period of time. I don't like this goal post moving from you. I think I'm on the record with this I think I've said it before King of the Beats has so two years or is it three years what's the actual book? I think two you get king

What's what's three but three is I mean three will never be done again three is just your Bo Wolf like Well I still am claiming King of the Beats I might have to put that in my Twitter Because I invented this term It doesn't become colloquial I think it means something

It used to Used to All right let's go to a RB3 And this one is just straight up a j dillan or the field and i think the field here includes nobody um roster wise yeah even though they would probably elevate somebody to be the third running back on game day um two weeks ago fran i had 65 35 35 for a j dillon you had 55 45 where are you today um 100 100 on a j dillard i think really i to me like he he he has shown uh number one like the they're mixing

with the ones like in practice he's getting plenty of run. He's gone through a full preseason game. Now he's got two more to get through to make sure he gets through healthy. As long as he's healthy, like he's going to be the guy. I don't think any of the other young players have shown me anything to make me think that they would take that spot. Now, it's entirely possible that there's another player on another practice score

or another roster that gets cut. And then they, but to me, I feel that this is AJ Dillon's job. Go ahead. It's your turn. I see it very much the same way as Fran. I did 7525 because of the no one possible.

where there's like roster chicanery where they want to kind of sneak AJ Dillon back onto the roster after week one. But to your point, Fran, like he has not been the Rashad Penny, you know, experiment where it's like he comes into camp and you can tell that the guy's just not healthy and just doesn't really have it. He looks solid. I definitely think he's RB3. Like I don't, I think that Will Shipley's also had a really encouraging summer. I think so too. Like, you know, if you asked me before training camp, like if Will Shipley was going to be able to fill that Kenny Gainwell situational runner type of role who can also add some juice in the past game.

I don't know if I would have said I was fully confident in that. I think I'm fairly confident in it now. Like I think he looks the part for that job. So yeah, I think that there is a chance that they only go into the week one with two running backs. But I do think that AJ Dillon has kind of played his way onto the 53. I don't disagree.

I'm just, I'm opening up more space for the field. Sure. Whether that is just keeping two and maybe adding somebody off the practice squad or keeping AJ Dylan around. I have it at 55 45, 45, but I do think that he's looked fine. Yeah. And I think if they lined up to play tomorrow, he would be, he would be active and probably get a couple short yardage carries. He had one of the, he had a run the other night where I was

like, yeah, like that looks like what Jordan Howard was giving them in his second year. Like, and then not that first year where I was like, oh, like he's a pretty important piece of the offense. To me, when I look at AJ Dylan, like, that's the bar. I think they would for him to be able to hit is to offer that kind of role for this offense. Okay. Next up, tight end three, a very wide sprawling category. We've got five different options here. E.J. Jenkins, Kyle and Granson, Nick Mews, Harrison, Harrison Bryant, and Cameron Lottu.

E.J., it is your turn to go first. This was, let's see if you were able to add it all up correctly. So I feel like there's three candidates here that deserve most of the share. So I agree. And maybe this is me being a little guilty sticking to the bit. I have EJ Jenkins at 35. Okay. I've got Kyle and Granson at 30 and Harrison Bryan at 25.

And then I've got Nick Mews at 7 and Cameron Lato at three. And I did add those up so they should add up to 100. Okay. For me, I feel like Granson, between Harrison Bryan and Grantson, I think that Granson has looked better this summer. But I also think like he's going to do stuff that's more noticeable than Harrison Brian by nature. I agree with.

At least the reputation that they came into the Eagles with. Obviously, I haven't seen these guys as much as probably Thrian has. So I, but I still kind of give E.J. Jenkins a slight advantage because he has been part of the team, knows the system. And I don't think he's had a bad summer necessarily. So, yeah, I kind of wanted to leave this one wide open. But again, maybe I am guilty of having some EJ bias here. Well, and for the record, how the, what is the relationship like with EJ Jenkins, given that he goes E. period, J, period, and you do not.

Correction for you. He is E. period, J. period on the roster. I have spoken to him. He does not put periods in his name. a part of my delegated. So where are they getting that from? I don't know because his daughter, Placard also doesn't have periods in it.

Okay. So I think it's just a mix-up, and he probably like me. Well, actually, I'm kind of self-important about the no periods in my name or anything. He probably is more important. And what is his true first name? It's a manual,

and then he doesn't have a J-middle name. Oh. Kind of a fake E.J. Oh. So he's Emmanuel Jenkins, E.J. So the J stands for Jenkins. Oh. Got it.

E. Jenkins. Yeah, exactly. E Jenkins. Like the ATM machine. Okay. All right. I feel like that's a bit of a mark against him, but, you know, he's a former Bo Wolf Camp Crush, so we'll give him some...

Allow it. All right. So you have E.J. at the top. I have Grantson at the top, but it is also very close. I have Granson 35, Bryant 31, and Jenkins 29, and then I have five on Muse and zero on camera Latu. Wow. Why five for Muse and known for Lato?

Because I think Muse has flashed a little bit more. Interesting. You think Latsu's flashed more? No. I didn't know if there was some kind of, you know, eliminating factor there for Latu. No eliminating factor. I think Mews has been a little bit more noticeable.

But yeah, the idea that Grant, I think you make a good point, E.J., about the things that Grantson does better are more likely to be things that we would have noticed. But I have noticed him more. And I actually, like, Brian really hasn't done much at all. And I also haven't seen him like moving up the depth chart.

Yeah. And he also like if we, there have been times I've looked for his blocking. Yeah. It hasn't stood out either. So it's fair, fair point for sure. How about you,

friend? I'm going to give it all to the, those first three guys of E.J. Jenkins, Kylie and Granson and Harrison Brian. I'm going to go 40 turkeys for Granson. Okay. And 30 each for Jenkins and Brian. Um, zero for a lot to.

I mean for Nick Moose. Nick Muse. I think, um, for me, single turkey. No. I think with with Granson he's got the highest upside as a pass catcher

probably has the highest floor as a pass catcher does more on special teams than both although Jenkins had some nice special team snaps the other night I did go through all the special teams film yeah we're gonna talk about this yeah we'll do that at some point when you finish talking about tight up yeah yeah all five of these guys played a lot of special teams

the other night but to me I think Granson wears the most hats on special teams for this team so I would say that Granson has the best shot paired with the receiving. Okay. Let's talk about this because I don't know that anybody else has gone over the special teams film, right, preseason game. That is a true level of sick onus that you have here.

What did you learn? Well, look, the reason why I go through the special teams and I've done it for years with preseason film is that it can be a very big deciding factor when it comes to who makes the 53 man roster, who was brought back for the practice squad, those kinds of things. So I actually watch more special teams film in the summer than I do in the fall. I'll go back during the fall. Sometimes if there was like a big play, I'll let me hunt this play up or that play up.

But typically it is more like I'm going to watch every team and every play and really charted out. There were some there were some takeaways. Let me pull up. I know it's really quick. One thing right off the top. You did break my heart on one thing. Yeah. Go ahead.

You can. The long and Ia Smith punt return. I was watching that play and I see Brandon Johnson line up as. as the, you know, the stopper. And I see, I see him like just make a little move to come off his guy at the very end after Anaya Smith catches the ball and just give a little bit of an outside lane to Anias to get to the outside. I'm like, oh, Brandon Johnson making a big play on special teams.

And then you told me something that broke my heart. So Beau said that to me the day after the game. So it was either Friday or Saturday. He's like, oh, Brian Johnson on that, on Nye Smith, farmlander. So I'm going through a chart. And I'm like, oh, yeah, there's 35. It was a good play, right? Yeah, good play.

I'm going through it actually was just okay. It got like run over on the play. But got in the way, did his job. It was fine. But then I'm going through. And then it was the final punt return of the entire game. And I'm doing 35 and I'm like, all right, there's Brandon Johnson again. And there's another 35.

And I'm like, oh, that's Keelan Robinson. I was like, wait a minute. I was like, no, that's Brandon Johnson. The 35 that was out on the field for Nias Smith was actually Keelan Robinson. So Brandon Johnson did actually not play. as much special teams, which not great, not great for your boy. I will say the one DB that really flashed, A.J. Woods was a starter on a number of, not J.T. Woods, AJ Woods, was a starter on a handful of these special teams, played a lot and honestly

looked really good. So I think that that's something where if he's a, I don't know if he's going to make the 53, but if he, if he sticks around with the practice squad, like that's a guy who could be a game day elevation. Yeah, that could be a game day elevation because of special. team's value. Because he's because his his defensive reps have actually diminished over the past week or so. Yeah. So that was one big takeaway for me. I thought Ben Van Sumeran looked good on special team. One good enough to make the team on that alone. So there's guys every year where it's like,

all right, they bring more value on special teams than on offense or defense. It's usually like, you know, depending on the year, maybe it's one guy. Sometimes it might be two guys. I think there's enough there. And honestly, we probably should have included him in that last, in that tight end three category because of what, you know, and look, he works typically for the roster. Yeah, in terms of the roster spot. Like, I don't know if you're going to put him with Jamal Singleton's running backs or if you're going to put him with the tight ends. But if I'm going to include him in there, I put him equal footing as Kyle and Granson. Because I think he's got more there. They have a proven package with him on the field. Like, all right, he's going to be like the, the run first fullback.

I think there's enough there. Is there a world where he is the field for the RB3 spot? It's over AJ Dylan. That's the thing. I don't even like think about him in that way. Like as a ball carrier, so I almost just automatically just throw him in with the tight ends. In terms of other standouts,

negatively like Lewesin, just like watching him athletically like run around. It's just it's, he did not look great. E.J. Jenkins had some really good reps with the kick return unit. Congratulations, E.J. Yeah, it was very nice job there. I think you mentioned on one of the shows we did, Smile Mundin.

Yeah, I think it was the last show you did with ZB on Thursday night. You know, from the stadium before the connection kicked out. It was, like eight times. Perfect. Very much a welcome to the NFL night for Smile Mondan.

Yeah. I think defensively, and even on special teams, there are a couple reps from like, oh, he'd like to have that back. So we'll see how he bounces back from that over. overall. Max and Hook had a couple nice moments, but I think, I think AJ Woods was probably more of a standout there.

Andre Sam, if he makes it, I think we'll talk about safeties in a bit. If he makes it, I think special teams is going to have a lot to do with that. Darius Cooper, starter as a gunner, thought that was notable.

Those are probably the biggest thing was. He only had... Because you had that note. He had one rep. Notes from last night. Yeah, he was the first up as a gunner against Keely Ringo. They called it the punt protector?

What's what's your terminal? Personnel protector personal protector. Which with the that was Avery Williams every single punt this past week So they had four punts in the game and he was the he was the PPP on every single one Yeah, Cooper only had one rep as the starting gunner and it was it was a punt away so and he was facing a double team so it wasn't like you know earth shattering there but yeah those are probably be the biggest takeaways there we can get into like nitty-gritty stuff but but yeah those are the big ones. Well we have news Okay, what do we got? Instead, it might come on the show. We have some news from Adam Schaefter,

who says, Eagles Pro Bowl Guard, Linnon, Dickerson is thought to have suffered a meniscus injury to his right knee per sources. Dickerson is getting additional options to determine the next course of action and how long he might be sidelined. So,

nothing concrete here, just that it's a meniscus. Yeah, that's what I was, that was the, because there was some stuff like about, what is your injury? I've got a quad.

I've got a quad rick, right, Rick connects to the Pateller, which I had a follow up this morning, and it's progressing. Okay. We're written better. Okay. No brace today. No brace today.

No brace today. So it's good to see. All right. Well, I'll let you guys digest that news. Now take a quick break. Come back with more. We'll continue going through the positions. And we'll get to find out what E.J. thought about some of the things that happened last week.

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And then Julia's going to spin the wheel. We've got Anthony Horton, Allison Horton. How about the Horton's going in double-banging this one? Justin Park. James Heim. Justin Edwards. Two justins.

Jimmy Lynn. A lot of Js. Four Jays in a row. Next up, Sam Gavaz Devonovich. No Jays in there. No. I think I was close. Gavaz Dinovich.

Sam G. We got Tom Smith. Sounds like a fake name. A little too. Normal. Artie Wong and Ben Canfer. So who's it going to be?

Money's on a Horton. I mean, you got a 20% chance. Game theory of that. We're working on it. Julie's working on it. It's okay. We'll get there eventually. You guys got any predict?

Let's put our turkeys on this. I'm going, I'm going, uh, 15 turkeys on Sam G. I'm, all the Hortons. So you got both Hortons. You're going to all your turkeys? Yeah, I'm going to listen, pushing all in on the Hortons here.

I was hoping you didn't go all in so that I could just one up you. This is a sign that like my game theory on this show is not, it's not up to par. I need to, need to catch up a little bit here. What? I'll go with Tom Smith. You're going with Tom Smith?

How do you feel about Justin Park? What if you went to a park and it was called Justin Park? Would you feel, would you be underwhelmed? Couldn't go in reverse. It's Justin Park. Justin Park. Very nice. Love that.

All right. Let's see if the Horton's chicanery comes through here as Julia clicks this bad boy to spin, giving away an oral B. IOTE the whitening kit. Here it is. Is it going to be? Is it going to be? Oh, the Horton's,

can pass over. Justin Park takes it home. He can't drive anywhere. He can't go in reverse. But Justin Park can sit there and clean his teeth. Nicely done. Okay. E.J., the meniscus injury here.

How do you feel about that? Yeah, I feel like we still need some more information to figure out what the timeline is. I think there are some examples in the past of players missing a few months with the injury. Jalen Ramsey in particular missed about half a season with it. J.J. McCarthy obviously missed all of it. of last season with the injury. So I think it depends on what course of treatment he'll need.

Again, like one thing I can always say about Landon Dickerson is like if he can play through something, he will. So it wouldn't surprise me to hear it. If it is an option for him, I think he would take the option that gets him on the field, even if it means maybe having to address it in the off season. I think so. I would agree with that. It's not great.

Not ideal? No. Okay. Well, we'll see what they do on practice tomorrow. Very interesting. Yeah, I think that that like middle timeline is in play here now where it's like maybe you don't want to make a sweeping change because you're hoping he comes back. So right as we wait for that, that it definitely that's definitely. Yeah, I would still be surprised if they move Steen.

I think so too. I would agree. Just leave him, leave him. But this is likely you carry him onto the roster. You can put him on IR and then he gets back when he gets back. Yeah, I agree with that. Okay. Let's keep going through our turkeys here.

Next up wide receiver four. and I kept this as we had it a couple weeks ago, which was just Johnny Wilson, Terrace Marshall, and the field. Obviously, the field includes Darius Cooper, Orenaya Smith, if you want to get nasty. I think it is my turn to go first. Now, the way we're doing this is, like,

who plays the most snaps week one? Okay. And because of that, I still have Johnny Wilson as the favorite. I have him at 40. I had him at 60 before. Then I go field 35 and Marshall 25. Oh, that's a lot for Marshall.

Yeah, that's surprising. I think there's a chance that Terrace Marshall makes this team and is and if he does make the team, I would imagine that he'll play on offense. Huh. Yeah. That's how I would not have gone that high. I'm going to go 60 for Wilson. 30 for the field.

10 for Marshall. Okay. Yeah. 60, 30, 10. I think that's a, I think that's a fair dispersal. I think when Elijah Cooks was was definitely competed, but I think with the injury to say that he's going to have the most week one. snaps is probably unrealistic. So for me, I'm going to go Wilson just because of, you know,

what he can do as wide receiver four. Obviously played that role last year. Maybe Cooper sneaks on. It does more on special teams. Wilson did not play one snap of special teams the other night. So we'll go with Wilson, Cooper, Marshall. I, for the sake of the integrity of the game, I will give full disclosure here by had it down, 55 Wilson, five Terrace Marshall and 30 the field. That's not out to one. So I'm going to give Terrace Marshall a little bit of a bump because you swayed me a little bit. But again, for the integrity of the game, I want to make it. No, you get to you get to go to 100.

Yeah, but still, I feel like Darius, five, 10, 15. I would take Darius Cooper alone over Terrace Marshall when it comes to turkeys right now. I think I would too. If you separate. That is the, he is the field. Yeah, I mean, essentially. In ICE, maybe. Five, five turkeys for an ICE in there.

So I do think that Johnny Wilson is the most likely, especially if this offense does have like it's about face where it's a pass heavy offense. I could see that coming like a little bit further down the road. So Johnny Wilson's blocking. Contributions stood out to me. But yeah, no, I definitely think that Darius Cooper deserves more turkeys than Terrace Marshall when it comes to the rest of the-

So how much, where are you putting it down here? 55 Johnny Wilson, 15 Terrace Marshall. 15 of the terrorist Marshall. I would like to ask the King of the Beats, E.J. Anaya Smith, do you feel like he's going to make the 53? You know, I. You're so happy with yourself.

I was really worried to see if I get any kind of rise out of it whatsoever. For Anias, I think I'll have him on. I think I'll have, I do not think I'll have him on at the expense of Darius Cooper. I think his return contributions is kind of what's pushing me over the edge with him. Because I don't really see it for him as a gadget player in the offense. I'm not buying that guy yet. But he had the nice return against the Bengals, and I could see a world where the draft pedigree keeps him on the 53 for another season.

You go, Bengals. It was like a hard, like a long angles, like the old band. Bengals? Bengals. I go bangles. I also say Jaguars. You say Jaguars? Jaguars.

That's not full wire. It's like Jack's ears and the chalkboard. I know that I know it's going to get under your skin. You've texted me about that before. I don't remember doing that. That sounds right. It's on brand though, doesn't it? Yeah.

Idiot sandwich brings up no mention of Avery Williams, which I think is fair. Yeah. I mean, every Williams has been nowhere. to be found. He did play a lot of special teams. Yeah. And how did he just fine. Not enough to move the needle for me.

Yeah. But personal protector is an area where like guys will that that is like a maybe one of the I don't know three most important roles on any core special teams unit. And again, he did get every single snap in that role. Okay. Well, maybe. Yeah. That's possible.

All right. This one will be easy. Right guard. Tyler Steen, Kenyon Green, Matt Pryor of the field. I've got 100 on Tyler Steen and that's it. Yeah, agree. I went 90 for Tyler Steen and the varying degrees of two, three, and five for the other guys. But that was mostly...

Well, tell it to us. Who's got the two? Fine. Two for Kenyon Green, five for Pryor, three for the field. That was mostly, it's my first time doing this, and I didn't want to... Didn't want to go too many zero. Okay, fair enough. Was that the thought that Steen would move to left guard?

Yeah, with prior. Yeah, correct. Got it. Okay. Swing tackle. This is a good one. Kendall Lamb, Darian Kennard, or the field. We'll let you go first this time, E.J.

Yeah. You know, I don't feel great about this one. I don't feel great about this one either. I'm not sure how they're going to rectify this. I have not hated what I've seen from Kendall Lamb. Nor have I. So I have 55 for Kendall Lamb, 35 for Darien Kinnard. I haven't hated what I've seen from Kinnard either, if I'm being completely honest.

I just, I don't think that I've really, I don't feel strongly about either of them being D1 to go ahead. Honestly, could you see a world where there's not a swing tackle where Kendall Lam is on the left and Dary and Kinnard is on the right? They both make it? Hmm. That is not really how, you kind of wrong. I don't think that he's stout as typically active.

Now, like there have been, like if Matt Pryor was active in the past, he was more, he was more of a right. Right. Canard's got the guard versatility too. So maybe that sneaks them on. And I did 10 for the field to conclude my turkeys here. I went 40 lamb, 39 field, 21 canard. I'm buying the canard to guard as maybe that's, maybe they think that's his best position. So the field for you is what, Hinton?

Breyer. Oh, okay. Right. And again, I mean, nobody necessarily wants Matt Pryor at left tackle, but I don't know that week one, I don't know if they're going to guarantee Lamb's contract. I think Lamb has been what he was here to do, which is provide competency at left tackle. Yeah. Yeah.

This is a related question. Who has the best shot at Affili this year? Because I think it's Miles Hinton. So for that reason, I think I'm leaning Kendall Lamb. So let's backtrack a little bit. The Feeley being the player who's inactive every single week. So I think it's calm accord, but. Right.

That's fair too. But to me, I think Miles Hinton has been intriguing enough that you want to keep him on the 53. Yeah. Not good enough. I don't, I wouldn't want to put him in there in a game. Like I think that he's been up and down in like live situation. So if you keep him, you almost have to keep him. You keep him inactive. and for that reason,

I think that Lamb is probably, I think both guys probably make it. I think Lamb and Canard and Pryor, especially with this Dickerson injury now, I think all three are on. I wouldn't have thought that a week ago. Yeah. But I think that, you know,

after through the game, through the injury, I think all three of these guys make it. I think if I'm going to go turkeys, I'm going to go with Lam 50, Kinnard 40, field 10.

Okay. With, uh, Jack Driscoll is the 10 as the field. Yeah, I mean. Right. Any day now could be walking through that door. All right.

Let's go to defensive tackle as we hit the defensive side of the ball for the first time now. Unfortunately, Thomas Booker has been taken away here, but this is for DT4. So it's between Ty Robinson, Gabe Hall, and Byron Young. And this is for week one. And I actually go, I go Gabe Hall 50, Ty Robinson 49 and Byron Young won. 50, 491. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to go.

I want to go 50-50. Oh, I thought you're going to up him on Gabe Hall. No, it's just the, well, yeah, I feel like everyone knows this by now. Like, you know, I was I was first on the Gabe Hall train. But I'll go 50-50. I think that both Hall and Robbins. Thank you, Julia. Thank you.

Yeah, Byron Young, I just told, I don't think that he's done. I wouldn't even give him that, give him that turkey. Okay. Hall. Julia, get your mind out of the gutter. What do you have you, Jay? I gave, Gabe, I gave him 50. I gave Ty Robinson 45 Byron Young 5.

Wow. Honestly, maybe I would, if I thought, man. So your guy is Byron Young. I don't know if I want to plant my flag there, but listen. Yeah, I'm a little. disappointed you didn't like go all in on Gabe Hall here. I feel like that's your guy. He already did. I think yeah, I think we've made that clear. No, I just to me, I think that Ty Robinson, Gabe Hall has looked really good. Yeah. Ty Robinson has looked good too. Yeah, both guys have

done it and they played basically the same amount of snaps the other night. So it's tough to say who's got the edge there. So that's why I kind of split that down the middle. Yeah. And I and you don't view them as necessarily having different roles. No, I, both guys have lined up and down on the scrimmage. I think that is the, they are the same kind of archetype. I think Byron Young is more of the true like traditional like backup nose. Um, so that would be his ticket to make it. Do they have enough between like Jordan Davis, like maybe Ojamo slides inside to play as the backup knows and then one of those other guys comes on to replace Ojamo. If young doesn't make it, I, I haven't seen a lot from young personally. Um, yeah, they keep, they keep mentioning him as

if he's done stuff. He's hurt again. And maybe, maybe it's one of those things where he's you know, he's holding guys up to get linebackers there and he's, and he's doing that stuff. But I haven't, I haven't really seen it. Yeah. So I, to me,

I think that it's, you know, Jacob Sykes. I was going to say, I feel like Sykes would be actually maybe even more compelling than Byron Young for that. Yeah. He's got some,

he's definitely, he's definitely, to him. Yeah. And Vic, Vic gave an, I thought gave him the description of him the other day. Yeah.

It talked about basically like, yeah, he's quick off the ball. I can get to the back field. He's got to hold up a little bit better against the run. Is it's the, a lot of super chats. We've still got Edge,

linebacker, corner, and safety to get to when we want to hear some EJ thoughts. And all of that's going to have to come. We're not going to, we're going to retire the old version. And we will tell you that

there's more show to come here in Bovertime. Oh, no. No, what if we've done? Yeah, baby. Oh, no. Welcome to Bovertime. We even got the graphic.

Nicely done. Oh, no, Julia. Yeah, I want the full animation. I want like a hastily scribbled, you know, ream-B. He workshopped this in the bathroom. Yeah, right. Okay, let's talk bathroom. Let's talk bathroom.

E.J., before the show, we went in to pee before, you know, you got to pee before the show. You went in before I did. Now, you actually went the precise opposite of the person you're replacing. you went into the stall I did not the urinal to pee and what went into that decision I could tell he was just peeing because his feet were facing forward

obviously I watched where his feet were I appreciate the insight on on where my feet were in the stall you know just a violation of privacy it's all good but listen I know what I signed up if you want on privacy there is a more private one where I can't see your feet if you really have not yet that's true

I can't be in there You know, got to respect that. I'll be honest with you. And this is a big admission for my first show. I sometimes like a stall, you know, every once in a while. Yeah. A little bit extra privacy. You get, and take a deep breath in there.

You know what? It's fine. Yeah. I also should clarify to all the listeners, like, I take a deep breath in the bathroom because I don't have a sense of smell. So it's not like pleasant. Right. Right.

So, but yeah, no, when I saw you were the other person in the bathroom, I immediately thought, I bet you he was looking at my feet to see what. Of course. He's in your head. He's in your head. All right. This is bad. Now I should say it is interesting because if it's a,

now this is a single urinal situation. So we've got stall, single urinal, and then handicap stall. So you could sell me on. I'll go in the stall if there's two urinals so that you can avoid being directly next to somebody. But you're still going to get the time to yourself if you're at alone at the urinal. Yeah, but then somebody walks in and you're not by yourself anymore. I don't know. Have you never done this before?

You've never gone, ah, let me just. I mean, I'll go in. there but I probably wouldn't choose it if I'm just peeing yeah I feel like if the other one's open I don't know why I feel this way because you touch a lot more if you do this all but I feel like it's also a little bit of a cleaner experience so you're in your own I don't know if I I don't know if I actually believe that now that I said it out loud okay listen Fran how about you so I go through this with Francis all the time for this for that exact last point of like it's just a

cleaner like yeah Francis just just let's just go to the urnil let's just get let's get out yeah as fast as possible so yeah I definitely trend more towards a urinal as opposed to stall for that reason. Okay. They did not expect to be admitting this on my first show, but it's all good. And good news for Julia, the women's bathroom is finally clean. So the mice make the way back in. Yeah, until the mice.

All right, edge three. Smooth transition. Azizzo Jalari, Josh Ushay, Ogbo, Ocaronquo, and the field. But you go first this time, Fran. Um, so for me, I mean, 70, Ushay. Wow. Right. I would just say he's getting gassed up by it by Vic.

Uh, it's been a couple weeks now. He's getting most of the reps, uh, there. And honestly has gotten reps as edge two over the last, uh, the few days, the last couple of practices. So, uh, I would say 70 for Ushay, um, 10, 10, 10. Wow. Maybe, maybe 12, 8, 10, uh, something like that. 12, 12 for Osi, uh, eight for, uh, for Agua, Caronco.

and then the rest for the field. So, yeah, I think Ushay is the favorite based off what we've seen. DJ. Yeah, I have Ushay 65. I have Ojolari 20, mostly because of like past production, not so much what we've seen from him in training camp. And then I had Ocaronquo 10 and the field five. Okay.

I'm different than you guys. Actually, it's the same order, but it's much more condensed. I have Ushay at 35, Ojolari at 30. Wow. The field at 20. and O'Coronco at 10. Now, I still have questions about, like, how are they going to use this third edge guy?

If it's in on rundowns, I'm not so sure it's going to be Ushay. I agree with that. So if you're talking, now you're, you know, Nolan Smith and J. Alexander are both good on rundown, so you maybe are not taking them off the field there.

But if we're talking just a designated pass rusher, I think it is Ushay right now. But I think if you're wondering how they're going to apportion those snaps, I think Ojolari gets on the field over him on run downs. That's why I have him close. Yeah,

I think that's right. Yeah, we haven't seen a ton of Ozil art. Yeah. Yeah, and it's, it's, and then I have the field

as not that far-fetched. I think it is very realistic that they could have a guy. I was going to say that I probably undervalued the potential for an addition in the field because the little voice

in the back of my head with Ushay is like, he's supposed to look good in a training camp practice, especially those past rush one-on-one, Yeah, I agree. That is the setting that he, like the hesitation inside move.

Like, yeah. That is the stuff that he's good at. That's the stuff you can get away with in those drills. It's not really something that translate that much into actual game situation. So, yeah, I think you may be, maybe you talked me into the field a little bit more than I've expected you to. Okay. So persuasive. LB2.

Jihad Campbell, Jeremiah Trader Jr., Smile, Monde. And I have 75 on Campbell, 24 on Trotter and one on Mondin. I would go, I'm going to go 80, 20, 20 for Trotter. I just feel like everything is, it's definitely sliding towards Campbell, getting that first crack at it. Obviously, there's a chance that maybe he doesn't start to week three and Trotter does get this start week one. My guess, I might feel different about that a week from now.

I think if Campbell's like reps continue to be lower from a, like the medical standpoint, then maybe that would kind of temper my expectations to maybe, see that it's probably Trotter as the starter, but I'll be fascinated now. Now that Bond's healthy, I would imagine we're going to see him in team drills when we get to joint practice this week. Next to him, yeah.

It was next to him. I don't think we've seen a single rep all summer of Bonn and Campbell together. Yep, yeah. So that will be telling. Yeah. A fair point from Bim Dam, who says,

what about Patrick Johnson on the edge? We didn't talk about him. I don't dislike it Patrick Johnson. And I could see a scenario where they don't think Ojolari's worth keeping. And so early in the season, Patrick Johnson is part of the defensive end rotation. But I would still be surprised if he's not edge three, I think. I think because he and Ushay are similar skill set, body types.

Like, I think Patrick Johnson, there's a decent chance he's on the team. They're talking about special teams. He's going to be an active participant there. But I think that they've just, they've used Ushay more in that kind of role. Yeah. All right. Two more. Wait, you don't want my turkeys for the line?

I do. I'm sorry. He's unbelievable. Jihad Campbell. I had 80, Jeremiah Trotter Jr. at 17, Smile Monda, night to three. I want to be a little bit like still on the Smile Mondan train. I know, sorry, now I'm on the Smile Mondan train. Well, it's different. I feel like the preseason game was rough, but he has had a good summer and I think he's like kind of, I think he's very qualified for the Orrin Burke's role, is what

I would say. I think he almost maybe overqualified for that job. Yeah. Okay, cornerback two, arguably the main event here. Say it for overtime. Keeley Ringo, Adore Jack. and then now we've got Jacori and Bennett in the mix as well. I'll let you go first this time, Fran. So I have been pretty steadfast in my belief that I just don't think Bennett's here to take that starting job, especially for week one. I'm going to go first team reps last night. Yeah, but it wasn't until the end of practice. It was a good series.

One series. One series, okay. One series towards the end. I'm going to go 60 for Ringo. 30 for Jackson, 10 for Bennett? Interesting. I think it's Ringo's job. That's my gut.

E.J. I'm realizing I have a math error here. So we're just going to roll with it. Can't add. Can't smell. What can I do? I can talk ball. That's one thing I can. I add 40 for Ringo.

And then I'm going to go 30 a piece for Adory Jackson and Jacon and Jacarcy and George and Bennett to balance it out. I wanted to give Bennett a slight edge. So maybe it'd be like 32 Bennett. 28 Jackson. Okay. Yeah. I go 60 Ringo like Fran,

and I reversed it, Fran. I go Bennett 30 Adori Jackson 10. I think that's fair. That's actually, that's a fair point. I think if Bennett is already taking reps yesterday at Jackson's expense, it seems to me likely that they don't want Jackson to be the guy. I still think it is most likely to be Ringo.

And I think, Adori is not crazy. Because I think there's, there's probably less variability with what you're getting with Adori Jackson. You're getting a probably an average starting corner, like below the level that they would like, and there's not a lot of upside. Yeah, but I could see the game where it's like Adori Jackson gave up 10 catches

for 125 yards, 12 targets. Like, I could definitely see that world. Very much. Yeah. I honestly think there's a pretty decent chance that he's not on the 53. I agree with that. And I think, I think especially seeing Bennett take reps at his experience. yesterday. I think that is a very realistic

possibility. Right. Yeah. That's, I think that might be that might be where my head is actually at, is that I don't think that Bennett is here to take Ringo's starting job. I think he's here to take a Dori Jackson CB4 job. Yeah, I think that's very reasonable. Yeah. Okay, last one,

safety. Five different options here. EJ, you get to go first. So we've got Drew McCuba, who is finally back practicing full, Sidney Brown, Andre Sam, Tristan McCollum, and we added in MacMewilums here. Now obviously Mac McMilliams would not be the safety,

but this would be in nickel. They're letting McWilliams play the nickel. And Cooper DeGine is a full-time safety. Good framing. Yep. Yep. So I have Sidney Brown leading the way with 40. I have Mac MacMick Williams number two.

Really? Wow. 35? 35? Wow. You only have 25 left now. I know. I have 20.

I know my history here has been shaky. I understand the concern. I have Drew McCuba with 20. At least week one. Right. Week 1. Andre Sam 3, Tristan McCollum 2. Maybe I should have given him a column 3 though.

All right, but hear me out. I think Sidney Brown is leading the way at this point. I think that they would have liked to see more from Drew McCuba. The injury obviously was a really big setback for him and he's just getting back into it. Now, I just, I've seen Drew McCuba get like, you know, dunked on and practice a few too many times for my liking. And then the Mac Mac MacMick Williams thing. I think that like, at least for me, that's a lot on MacMacon.

It is a lot. I would love to see it. I think that's why I have so much on. I think this is going to be my corner is that I need, I think MacMick Williams has to show that he can do it. But I think like I've said it before, like Mac MacMick Williams can unlock Cooper to Gene in a certain way. Like he can then play safety. It's not we need him at safety. It's our best secondary involves Mac McWilliams in the nickel.

Now, I think it's like it's a big if because I don't. think that they would sacrifice Cooper de Gene's coverage chops in nickel unless they felt good about who they had there. And I'm not sure of that he can, I'm not sure MacMoleums can really show that. You would want, you would want DeGine at safety full time? I feel like it might be, like his, his one of his biggest assets is his versatility. Obviously, his coverage ability and what he is able to give you in the run game from that position, it is very enticing to keep him there. But I feel like if you're telling me that like Cooper de Gene is a player that every time the offense breaks the huddle they have to find him he is that kyle hamilton versatility player i do think

that that that's really intriguing to me now again like what you'd sacrifice taking him away from the line of scrimmage taking him away from those coverage assignments that's a big question mark but that's why i have mac mac mc williams so high it's because i kind of i almost want to see it so did i sell you not really no all right that's okay i just i i think it is too valuable for him to be to be the nickel because he's so good at doing everything in there. And I don't know that I believe the difference between Cooper and the best version of Mac Mac Williams is less significant than the difference between Cooper and Sidney Brown. And I also think the fact that they invested a second-run pick and Drew McCuba tells you that

that's probably not going to be Cooper de Gene's long-term position anyway because eventually the guy's going to start, even if it's not week one. and so do you waste time putting him there when it could be and I could be moved more by the idea of let's put Cooper deGine on the outside full time I feel even though I don't think that I think that that would be the worst of his three positions I think it's a waste of the skillset. I think you could sell me more on that meaning the most of the team.

Now Fran let me ask you this like Jonathan Gannon I know his name is a little bit of a curse word at times but he talked about in there's in a you know in his system the safety spot and the nickel spot can be mirrored. Like with some of the single high rotation, like Fing Fangio does, they obviously run a lot of cover three. Do you think that like the role,

we overstate how different the role is? I think in most, in a lot of schemes, yeah, it would be a pretty drastic difference. I think that in this scheme, there is a little bit less of a difference. I do think that there is some crossover. Cooper talked about that when he spoke at the podium last, was that last week, right?

in terms of when I'm reading things from depth, like I had to get used to that. But if I'm coming down and I'm going to play the middle hook and cover three, like I'm whether that's coming from safety or if I'm coming from nickel, it's the same read for me. He's just doing it from a different angle in the first, you know, second and a half of the play. So I do think that there's some crossover.

I do think that you definitely for now, rather keep him at the nickel. You know, I think that three years from now, you're probably saying, you know, as he like his body's, us to drop off just a touch. Maybe that's,

you'd make that move. And he could do it. Like he could be a good safety. If you had a proven nickel corner, then go for it. But yeah, I think that right now, I think he'd be their best option.

That's the Mac McWilliam scenarios. Yeah. Nickel corner. Well, that's true. And as for your point on Makuba, I do kind of agree with you that the biggest problem

is that he hasn't been on the field. Yeah. But I've also been a little bit underwhelmed when he has been on the field. Yeah, he's just given up. a few like touchdown catches in the back corner of the end zone where yeah just rises up above him and i and that's even before like you know i'm sure we'll talk about the sydney brown experience like

macuba's got some of that too you know like when you watch his i'm sure fran you watch way more of his tape than i did but like i remember seeing a guy who like wants to be physical at the point of attack but like sometimes gets it's off a little bit more than he can choose so yeah i don't know i think that the safety spot i mean the let the corner and the safety spot are both like you know that maybe they're champagne problems, but they are like, you know, I would say that neither have gone

really encouragingly so far through camp. I think that's fair. For the turkeys, I have 45 on Sydney Brown, 35 on MacCuba, 10 on Tristan McCollum. Wow. Nine on Mac Mac Williams

and one on Andre Sam. Man, you guys are, I don't know if it's high on everybody else or just lower on Brown. Like for me, like for week one, if we were doing this for week eight or like week six or week 10,

but I've got 70 on Sydney Brown. It just feels like he's out there as the starting safety basically every single day. You know, with MacCuba being out. And, you know, since he's now just getting back in the lineup, maybe that changes. But I'm going to go 70 for Sidney Brown, 15 for McCubah and 15 for MacMac Williams.

I, you know, I just don't. I think if Sam and McCollum had a legitimate shot at it by this point, I feel like we would have seen more reps of them working with, with Reed Blankett ship. I think we've seen some. But yeah, I mean, I think it's unlikely. You're right. Yeah.

I think it's certainly less likely. I just have a worry about like the Sydney Brown like crash or yeah scenario or and I I feel like there will be times where offensive coordinators scheme specifically for Sydney Brown's aggressiveness. Yeah, I don't think that's worrisome. Unrealistic at all. Anyway, we got a lot of super chats to get to here. E.J. Sick guitar riffs is back. What a name is. I mean, just thank you so much.

E.J. sick guitar riffs. Oh, yes. Okay. So he wants to know your real thoughts on two pairs of socks. And so we should start with this, E.J. How did you feel about being scooped on your own big announcement by Cliffy 2? Well, first off, Sean or Shield.

It could have been at Shield's behest. Ooh, I like the conspiracy theory. Yeah, I mean, he knows it's good for content. I was about to say he's team content over maybe potential friendships. So. See, out to Idiot Sandwich, who coined the name Cliffy Two Scoops. Outstanding. Yeah, that's good.

I, you know, I like those guys. You know, I appreciate those guys. Big butt coming here. I do wonder if there was a little bit of team content involved here. Interesting. Maybe they did go out of your way in that episode to not announce where you were going. You know, the description of the podcast is getting circulated. People are commenting.

They're leaving five-star reviews for the ringers. I'll say the name. Yeah, you can say the name of that. The ringer's really special. You know, I feel like maybe there was an ulterior mode of a foot here. Wow. Not saying, just saying. Jeez.

that temple guys do each other. What about the two socks? How do you feel about two socks? All right. I've said this to Cliff on pod before. So I feel comfortable saying it here. I wonder if Cliff bought some like nice, thick socks if he'd still want to wear two socks.

Now, you know, if it works for him, it works for him. But yeah, I tried the two socks once and I came home and I was like dehydrated. Somebody is wrong here.

So definitely not a... I think there's a time and a place. But yeah, as an everyday thing, it's a lot. Get some nicer sock. Sad sicko. I believe that's Claire.

Says, happy to have you here, E.J. Have you seen the Barbie movie? What are your thoughts on Lolita? I don't have any thoughts on Lolita. Okay. Healthy. I'm familiar with, is it a poem or like a short?

It's a novel. Okay. I'm familiar with the passage. Never used it. Oh, interesting. I did not see the Barbie movie, but let me say it was not for any, like, masculinity or machismo. I didn't see it.

Yeah. I don't. I don't watch a lot of movies. Don't have the attention span for him sometimes. I'm being honest. Okay. I'm a rewatch a show guy more than I'm a movie guy. You go to show.

Can't smell. Can't watch movies. The Wire, Game of Thrones, better call Saul. Probably my top three rewatches. Very nice. And you were chastised by your lovely wife for how you described Game of Thrones on Cuzz's show here the day.

That's right. Yeah. And listen, maybe I got a chance to come clean. I got to do a better job. I mean, Game of Thrones is probably not sci-fi. But it's got, it's got dragons.

So, yeah, but that's fantasy. I mean, listen, she pulled out my full government name in the text. She's like,

that is not a sci-fi show. What are you talking about? You know, but listen, I mean, it's adjacent. Sci-fi-adjacent, we'll call it.

I think, do you feel like the, the right delineation for like science fiction versus fantasy? Like, like, like, like,

in like our universe. Whereas if it's not in I agree with that The universe that becomes fancy We don't know where Game of Thrones is though It can be on earth I'm not sure about that Can you go there on vacation

You could go where they don't earth Very clearly not sci-fi This is a losing battle for me Yeah The King of the Beach I feel like I have you there But this is a real battle yeah I invented it fresh prince Welcome to the show EJ

Are you now able to Tell that Elijah Cooks is not a tight end also is the password to your phone 6969. It is not. Listen, Elijah Cook has like the rolled up jersey and... How many fingers am I holding up? You're holding up four fingers and one thumb.

I've... Oldest trick in the weird there. Um, listen, you know, I did, I did notice it C.B. kind of came after me there. I didn't feel like you needed the name names, you know? Oh yeah, sorry. You know? But I didn't feel like you needed the name names there. I feel like, uh, again,

rolled up jerseys. It was the The military is in the bus. E.J. sick guitar riffs. King of the beats and King of the Riffs. Right. Appreciate that. Yeah, that was a fun.

I mean, that was fantastic. Yeah, when you... And great job on the percussion, Fran. So I jumped the gun. Came in too early. A little bit. I was too excited.

I came in the, like, you know, half a verse too early on the chorus there with the percussion. That's why I like... That's right. I came in a little too late on the second verse. You know, we didn't rehearse that at all. When Beau texted me about that, when Bo texted me about that, I was like, absolutely not.

I have not played guitar in front of a non-gatar playing person that's not my wife in like 15 years. And then you're like, oh, I want to play under the bridge. And I'm like, I sent you a video of me playing on a bridge. It's like, I've been playing that since I was 14 years. Oh, that one I can do. Yeah. No, it's fun. Yeah, it was nice.

It was Kismit. DeLons, P.H.O.Y. bagged a superstar in E.J. Smith, neat smoking, lefty golf and long. mowing machine, all your turkeys are on notice. Now, I might need to confess that that's one of my best friends. So, appreciate you. I mean, it's good to have nice. Good to have people.

It's like he's in the tank for me is what I want to make sure I make. That's fine. I mean, you didn't have to come. He's biased. He's biased. He's biased. Fresh Prince. Can Bo say, yeah, I said offense.

One more time. Is this an early Osprey nominee for short-lived headline? Was this even a headline? That is good. Yeah, it's a good. Avery Williams. Yeah, I said it off. Yeah, that has not worked out in Nick's favorite, but in his defense, he was probably hungover that morning.

CDP, finally, EJ, what are your top five albums? Wow. That is a tough one to answer. Can I just give you a few that I love and not rank them and admit that I'll probably miss one? Continuum by John Mayer is probably like my own-time favorite album. Your all-time favorite album. I'm a guitar guy, and that album is very good guitar. guitar wise.

I would say that there's at least two Jimmy Hendricks albums on there for me too, Electric Ladyland and then the Jimmy Hendricks experience. From there, probably a Jill Scott album has to be in there.

And then let me think on the fifth one because I'm going to miss one and I'll just spend all day trying not to miss some of my favorites. But yeah, those are definitely the standouts. Stay tuned for on tomorrow's episode.

Yeah. Okay. Fran, what are your top five favorite albums? Um you got any good Here's a more likely question for you to answer Are there any Theme songs in

In like Francis's life that you kind of like Don't mind Or any like any music in his life Yeah So here's our thing We This is and this has been for forever We've forced Francis to listen to like adult music

And then he will hear a song that he likes And say dad you add that to my playlist. Oh. So now you just have a playlist of songs that all of us can enjoy. So now we don't get stuck listening to like a lot of the stuff that you just get that earworm. That's smart.

I'm parenting by you. But there are a few things where it's like, oh, like I want this one. So like the Teenage Muti Ninja Turtle soundtrack like was on that was on constant repeat. And that's one where like because what will happen is he'll go through a phase where he just wants to listen to these songs over and over. Once I watch these shows over and over.

And then once that phase ends, will quickly remove that from the playlist so it's not even in the rotation. I left the turtles one on there though. It's not terrible. It's good minute 20. Yeah. Breeze right through it. That's great. I mean, I like a lot of the kids songs. I don't know. Yeah. There's a there's a Spotify playlist that somebody made about like all dinosaur songs. It's probably me. Uh, and there are some real bangers on there that I love. Um, there's a, there's a song called shape song swing along. We love that one. Bump that one hard. Yeah, all kinds of good stuff.

Line guard music is good. That was a while ago, but it's raining tacos. Is that one? I don't know that one. I don't have to put that one on the way home. I'll do it unless you want to hear it in your head. I'll do it. Yeah, that one, that's a popular one.

That's probably the one that stands out. That's like a kid, a kid song. What's that? No. Okay. Okay. All right, good stuff. EJ.

How did you feel about day one? You know, I'll coin a phrase. I'll be better tomorrow. You can do better than that. I had fun. I had fun. Yeah. All right, good stuff.

E.J. Smith. Give it up in the chat. Fran Duffy, thanks so much. We will be back tomorrow. Eagles return to the practice field. We will tell you what the first team offense looks like without Lyndon Dickerson. And we're also going to do our 53-man roster projection.

EJ and I. So we look forward to that. And then on Wednesday and Thursday, joint practices with the Browns, the highlight of the summer. So lots of good stuff here coming on PHY. We will talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. Thank you, Julia. And as always, we love you.