PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - How much money does Jordan Davis rightfully owe Dallas Goedert after Eagles’ cash exchange?

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

Howie Roseman cried poor all offseason about the Eagles’ cash standing, leading to the departure of C.J. Gardner-Johnson and the posturing that Dallas Goedert was on the trade block. Then he picked up the fifth-year option for Jordan Davis, paying over $14 million for a player who doesn’t play on third down, before twisting Dallas Goedert’s arm into agreeing to a significant paycut. A masterful gambit from the league’s best general manager, no doubt. Zach Berman and Bo Wulf unpack everything that happened with the main roster this offseason and what it means for the team moving forward. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

to the P.HLY Eagles podcast, presented by True Mark Financial, Bo Wolf, back. Very happy to be next to my friend, Zach Berman. Zach, how are you? Good to see you, my friend. Yeah, good to see you.

Welcome back. We missed you. I missed you. Nice job shepherding the show as I was gone. I appreciate that. Just trying to be the second best host in the city. I feel like you should keep overtime, though. Because I was playing into it, like,

so you'd look over me in ice. Maybe I'll let you do overtime. Okay. All right. Fair enough. Is it fair to say that today marks the height of your lifelong interest in Catholicism? Does it mark the height of it? This has got to be the highest you've ever been on Catholicism.

I mean, I've respected Catholicism for a long time, but it is cool to have someone with Thoey ties or going over ties. A new pope from right over where? He went to school. Right over that way. Yeah, close enough. Yeah. Yeah, so no, he's a Chicago guy. He's a Chicago guy. We can't take credit for. C.HGO can take credit for it. But he did. I mean, we've, I mean, we've, yeah, I mean, we've, yeah, where his parents met. I don't know. It's could be a Bryce Young situation. I don't know about that. But we've, we've, we probably had pizza at the same spot. So, actually, I don't know. I have, the longstanding pizza spots there. But we've certainly walked on the same roads. So that, yeah, that's, that's, that's pretty cool. Maybe one day it'll be you. As the Pope. I don't think so.

So there's some things that I think I have a chance at doing. The Pope, I don't think I'll be the Pope. Who do you think is his favorite Villanova basketball player? Oh, Alvin Williams. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, who do you think? I don't know.

Okay. Who's your favorite Pope? Dante DiVincenzo. Who's your favorite Pope? My favorite Pope, probably Troy Main Pope. Okay. Or Eddie Pope. Okay.

How about you? Olivia. Love you Pope. Yeah. Okay. Nice pop culture reference. You familiar with that one? I think so.

Okay. Good show. That's a good pop culture for you. Thank you. All right. We've got a lot to talk about, Zach. And I want to frame this whole thing around the two big decisions that the Eagles made since you and I last spoke. And that was the decision.

On the show. I've texted you. Yeah, but I haven't wanted to bother you. I appreciate that. Yes. Thank you very much. The decision to pick up the 50-year option on Jordan Davis and the decision yesterday that you helped report about this reworked contract for Dallas Goddard. So I'm going to start my first question to you is, how much money do you think Jordan Davis owes Dallas Goddard?

And what do you mean by that? Because I saw the T's here. Are they borrowing? I know that these are different years. Yeah. Are they borrowing money from Dallas Goddard in order to pay Jordan Davis? What's the appropriate gift for Jordan Davis to give to Dallas Goddard? Yeah, I don't think the two events are related at all. But I do think actually, you know, I was texting with some people. Godder got more than I think the Eagles might have initially allocated for tight end this year. Now, it's a pay cut. There's no other way around it. And he, you know, I know it's been portrayed as a selfless act on his part.

I don't know what the other offers were. I can't imagine that he surrendered. Not that it's not selfless, but he's not doing this out of the... Yeah, I think the market probably spoke. I mean, he did have his fewest receptions, yards, and touchdowns since his rookie year last year. So there is a degree of him needing to rebuild his stock, perhaps, similar to Josh Swet. The reason that I think that these two things are connected is I do, I disagree with you a little bit about the degree to which Dallas Goddard was, was like ever going to be traded. Interesting.

And I think that so much of this was the framing from the Eagles of, you know, crying poor and we can afford to pay B players A money, right? Well, that is precisely what they're doing with Jordan Davis. And I know that that is next year's cap. And you can say that maybe you're counting on the cap going to rise. And so 14 and a half next year is not going to be as much as 14 and a half this year. And this is a 26 year old as opposed to a guy who's declining. But Dallas Goddard missed seven games last year, right?

And can't say healthy. He missed seven games, played 39% of the snaps. Yeah. Jordan Davis played all 17 games and played 37% of the snaps. To pay him $14.5 million, you cannot tell me, we as an organization can no longer afford to pay our good players great money. And so I think that the, I think that this result with Dallas Goddard is the result that Howie Roseman wanted all along.

I think he played it very well. And if you want this outcome, you have to be willing to try. trade the guy. Sure. But I think that bringing back Dallas Goddard for a pay cut is exactly what he thought was the best case scenario here. Oh, I agree with that. I just don't think they thought it might get to that point. Like I think Goddard probably expected a bigger market. I think the Eagles probably thought there would be a bigger market for Goddard. I do think the Eagles were prepared to go in the next year without him. And I also think that the Eagles were not under any circumstance is going to pay him $14.25 million to play this season for them.

But I agree with you that I think this was the desired outcome. And this, frankly, like I said, 10 million might be more than what they had allocated for the position, but I don't think it's like dramatically more. And I think it's, I think their number is closer to 10 than 14.25, right? So, like, I think him taking the, the, the, the 4.25 million dollar pay cut this year. is a bigger cut than the Eagles kind of went up. So I don't think they met in the middle, right? I think this was meeting closer to the Eagles number.

Sure. But I also think, you know, Dallas Carter doesn't want to take this all the way to training camp, right? But this is a team, you know, in its literal Super Bowl window. Yes. They're not going to just, I don't believe that they were ever going to just release the guy without a true plan B. Yeah, I was skeptical about the release. part of it. Again, I think a lot of this was gamesmanship. Perhaps in the last, I would say perhaps since free agency, but, but this is the thing.

You know, everything's dynamic. And what I mean by that is if, is if two tight ends go in the top 13 and Tyler Warren's not there for the Colts, then the Colts might be compelled to make that trade. Like the Colts wanted to upgrade at tight end this year. Sure. And everything has a price, right? Yeah. So, yeah, the Eagles, it's not that the Colts would have made the trade. it's that they would have met whatever it was worth for the Eagles to move on from Dallas God. Yes, exactly. If the Jags didn't cut Evan Ingram and Evan Ingram doesn't become available for free, then perhaps the Broncos trade for Dallas Gutter, right?

So there weren't that many seats at the table at the end for tight end. And then also, if the board falls a little differently and the Eagles take Harold Fanon Jr., They might be less compelled to pay Dallas got her 10 million, right? So that's why I think, you know, Fran put it well in the emergency show yesterday that a lot of this was just the product of timing. Like it just made sense for a timing perspective after the draft for this to happen. But I do agree with you that I think, I think post-free agency, there was probably gamesmanship because Howie, how he probably saw where the tight-end seats were and probably realized that Dallas's best option was coming back here. but that they had to present the realistic possibility that they were ready to move on. But everything that I heard going back to like the Super Bowl was that it doesn't sound like Goddard's going to be back, right?

And so I think as the Eagles were doing their offseason planning, I think it wasn't to pay Goddard at that number. Like he had no guaranteed money left on his deal. And I think Goddard's camp, and I can't speak for them, but I think Goddard's camp probably thought Goddard was going to be valued more. than what he ended up signing with for the Eagles. I think in order to play this game, you have to be willing to move on from him. But I do think it was overstated. And I think a lot of those whispers were intentional.

And, you know, things about, you know, even when they're talking about him publicly, going over the top of like, well, you know, like, we're only going to talk about guys who are here, or whatever it is. Like, oftentimes, if they're going, that hard in one direction. It is a negotiating tactic. And I do think that, you know, as the, as you survey the scene, it is, you know, the comparison has been drawn to the Josh Sweat situation from last

year, which is totally fair. It is not only does this guy need to find someone else who's willing to pay him what he wants to make, but then there also has to be the trade compensation. And so if the Eagles are playing the game of, well, no one's willing to pay you that. And if they're going to pay you, you know, 11 or whatever it is, but we're not going to give him to you for free. Like, we're still going to make a trade at that point like the options aren't aren't so great for Dallas God. So they I mean they held the the leverage year. Yeah they had they had the leverage here and but I said yesterday you know you're as loyal as your options and that worked for both sides. I think neither side had an appealing plan B and so I

I think there's there's a reason why this happened after the draft right if if this was the eventual outcome all along then why wasn't it April 1st or April 15th right? Like this, the impetus of this was, I think, both sides seeing the Eagles, the Eagles, like you said, they're in the window. Tight end is important. And they don't have anyone, you know, they can talk up Calcutaris Development or Harrison Bryant, you know, all. No, Dallas got it significantly better. I believe what I said, they're rich yesterday, that the Delta at tight end might be more dramatic than any other spot on the roster. Maybe quarterback, but, you know, actually probably wide receiver one.

Let's say, but I mean, it's certainly up there. Like the Delta at tight end significant. I think we're a wide receiver. Wide receiver. Okay, but yeah, it is significant. And so I think that the Eagles saw their best option is to have Dallas Goddard on the team. And then I think Dallas Goddard saw that like there's not a better football option for him. And I don't think there was a better financial option for him either.

Yeah, I mean, you keep your options open. And so if it did happen that they were on the clock and a tight end made the most sense for them in the second and third round, then maybe this would have gone a different way. But I don't really buy that the Eagles are giving up a lot to pay him $10 million. Like even if they were hoping to pay him eight, like this is a very good outcome for them. Exactly. Yeah, 100%. And that's, but they weren't going to bring them back at like if this was just a bluff, then Dallas Goddard would have said, you know, Dallas gotter would play the bluff.

But if it was a bluff, it was a bluff. it would have been getting back at 14.25. If the bluff was like, you know, we're not going to trade you, then calling him on, you know, by definition, calling him on the bluff is saying, if you're not going to trade me, then I'm just going to come back

and you're going to pay me what my salary, what my contract says you're going to pay. The Eagles were not going to pay what the contract says they were going to pay. That is why he took a pay cut. It's a great question. I think... If Dallas gotter took this to training camp,

how do you think it would have played out? I think they would have, I think they would have just traded him for whatever. We haven't had a holdout in a while. No, no, we've had to hold in. Hassan Reddick was kind of, Hassan Reddick, Hassan Reddick had a convenient injury.

Like, right, when camp happened. But yeah, this, this, I do, I'm not defending them here, but like the idea of them crying poor, I think it's more crying responsible. Like, their number, for in cash spending this year, they're number two in cash spending next year,

number one in cash to cap ratio, they're number one in projected cash spending in 27. Like if they can't, they can't just pay everybody market value. Like that's, that's the reality of. Let's twist it to Jordan Davis. Yeah.

Sell me on why you pick up his fifth year option because it doesn't seem like money well spent to me. Yeah, so this, there's a few things here. Number one, you know, it's, what, 12.938 million. So that's, that's not among the top 25, defensive tackles in the league, but it is, to your point, it is that middle class that they've kind of tried to avoid. That aside, I think their fear,

their fear was not picking up the option, Davis fulfilling the potential that they think that, I'm not saying Vic thinks he has, but that Howie might still think he has, and that he hits the open market next year, and he is a $20 million year player. Because, like, that's what he would be. A Lee McNeil made over $20 million.

like that's what jordan davis's market would be if jordan davis has a a successful year this year so i think they looked at it and they said if the if the worst case scenario is that you're you're you're getting what he did last year it says it's an overpay at 12.93 but it's not um as dramatic of of an overpay as what the savings would be if he is an impact player this year. I think Howie thinks he has another gear. Now the question is, does Vic Fangio think he has another gear? And

you know, they're going to show you with how much they use it, right? This isn't going to be what they say, either behind the scenes or publicly. This is going to be seen by how much they trust him on the field and time's going to tell. But I genuinely think they looked at it

like, to use Howie's term, the tools in the body are there. I think they like the makeup of the person. and I think they think there's another level that he can get to. You've made the point in the past that defensive tackles tend to be a slower developing position in terms of reaching your peak performance. Now it has been three years, and the playing time is what it is. I mean, that's not injury related.

That's, that's, it's, I don't even think it's, it's, oh, I think it's, no, no,

no, but I, I think they made the determination often that, like, they, that he wasn't as productive as, as there are other options. Yeah, but I think the conditioning does have some... Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

True, true. Okay, yeah. I take that back. I... But he's also not one of their two best interior passers. Yes, exactly. Even if he was conditioned. Yeah. I don't think he was affecting the quarterback enough, but this is a position that...

Now, they will point to you had two sacks in the playoffs. Right? Yeah. Maybe he's playing his best ball then. I... The argument that the delta between, if he has this pop, year and what he would get paid next off season versus what he gets paid this year is true, but also if he has that pop year, you're going to want to extend him anyway.

Sure, right? And so we're talking about 26-year-old. So at that point, you might as well sign him to a long-term deal, whereas now playing the one-year thing is you're pushing off the possibility in the possibility that he has the best season he could possibly have, right? now you're just pushing off the chance to extend him long term. So even that doesn't make a lot of sense to them. Well, it goes back to the leverage conversation.

Eagles have the leverage if he's under contract for another year. If he has a good year and he's under contract in 2026 for 12.9 million, they then have, it's the same thing they had with the... It was 14 and a half. Where did I get that wrong? It was 14 and a half if he had to hit certain... Got it. qualifiers to hit it. So he didn't,

he didn't hit those qualifiers. So he's, so I think it's, it's like 12.9 million. Um, but, uh, you know,

it's, it is fully guaranteed, right? And so I, I, I think that it's what you saw with, with Devante Smith. The,

the leverage that the Eagles would have is that you're another year away from hitting the open market. It compels you to, to, to sign the extension now. I think this is just, this is them making a bet that, that Jordan Davis is,

is better than what he's shown. And if you don't think Jordan Davis is better than what he's shown, then it's a bad bet to make. But I do think they're looking at the delta of what, you know, as I said, there are I think 26 defensive tackles making over $14 million next year, or I shouldn't say next year, with an average annual salary of 14 plus million.

I think it's within the realm of possibility that Jordan Davis is in that 18 to 32, area of defensive tackles. And in that case, this is a fine bet to make. If Jordan Davis is just a situational player for you, you can get a situational player. You know, it's what Howie Roseman said about the draft. You can sign a situational player in August. You can develop a situational player. Jordan Davis needs to be an impact player for them on a consistent basis for this to be

merited. Now, this is a little bit unfair because if Jordan Davis wasn't, if he didn't have these tools in his body that allowed the Eagles to believe. he's going to make this jump. He wouldn't have been a first round pick. But do you think they would have made this decision if it wasn't like Howie Roseman's first round pick that he's sort of protecting? It's a fair question. My answer is yes. Because I think we've seen it with Jalen Rager. I think how he's willing to move on from from players and how he's been, he has in this recent tenure, he's, he's been willing to move on from mistakes. He moved on from Carson Wends right now.

Carson might have forced a hand there too. But, um, but Howie hasn't been as attached. I keep going back to Rager. He could have tried to make Rager work. He could try to make JJ Arthegaa, white side work. He, he didn't do that. I think he genuinely is excited about what Jordan Davis can do. But then again, this goes to the conversation that Fran and I had a few times, which was like the front office and the coaching staff. And ultimately, This has to be at this point, you know, when Howie said he's handing it over to Nick now, it's also it's handing it over to Vic as well. And like, this is what does Vic think of him?

And that's going to be demonstrated by how much he plays. All right. We're going to go to break in a second. The question I want to ask you after the break is the same framing of would they have made this deal if? Would they have made this deal if Jordan Davis went to LSU? We'll find out coming up on the other side. Got a nice golf polo on. Maybe I'll wear it on June 14 when we've got the PHLY golf outing,

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Yeah. Do you think that they would have picked up the option if, how much does the Georgia of it all play into this? It's a fair and legitimate question because I don't need to tell you. I'm telling the audience here. but Jordan Davis is like a connected thread with the Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Nicoby Dean. Like he's, you know, Keeley Ringo, going down the list. He's a big part of that.

Literally. Yeah, yeah, literally. But, you know, the Eagles, I'm shouting out the Eagles entertainment staff often. It's deserved. Yeah, it's deserved. They had a behind the scenes of the Georgia guys back during the season. And you saw how, how Nikobe and Jordan Nogh. Davis were like big parts of the of of of that you know and jalen carter's kind of on the quieter side

but jalen carter is he's a foundational player for the eagles he's what fletcher cox was you know 12 15 years ago right and so if a big part of jordan of jill and carter is having jordan davis there yeah now i i i don't think you're you're just paying him because of that like it has you know he's not just a babysitter he's a football player, right? But it is a fair question, is that I think the Eagles really tapped into this. This Georgia connection is a real thing. And this isn't just me saying it.

This isn't just you saying it. I found it interesting that when Janwin Hertz was injured and he came back, one of the observations he had was like watching that Georgia connection on defense and how it manifested it on the field. So I would like to think that, This decision is not based on, you know, the friendship nature of it. But certainly, you do imagine that it helps. At some, like, this is something that Howie Roseman has to think about, right?

They can't keep all of them. Yeah. Right. Like, you know, are you going to, are you going to pay NCOBY Dean? Well, that, yeah. I think the Kobe's got, like, you're going to have to hurt somebody's feeling at some point. Yeah, I mean, I think the Kobe's the one here that you really need to watch. Now, maybe the injury, I don't want to, I don't want to say works into the Eagle's favor.

Yeah, but I know. But, you know, he signs. a show me deal to stay. But if Jihad Campbell is an offball linebacker, then they have their top two guys, right? I mean, Zach Bonn's here the next two years.

Jihad Campbell is presumably here the next four or five years, right? And just to say it, Nekobie is entering the final year of his record. Exactly. So, I think that Nekobi's not coming back on his terms, he's coming back on the Eagles terms. Sure. Yeah, I don't know.

It seems like all those guys love Jordan Davis. Yeah. And he's got a real fun personality in there. But I do wonder if that is part of the reason for picking up the fifth year option. He's also, as much as we say, you can find nose tackles. And, you know, an average nose tackle is a relatively fungible position. Yeah. But it's hard to find Jordan Davis, right?

Like, you know, you don't find six, five, three. I know 335 is what he's listed. Let's say 350. 6.5, 350 with that type of athletic ability. And like when, you know. I mean, they literally found Linval Joseph on the street in the middle of the season two years ago. Yeah, but I'm saying.

And Jordan Davis is in his rookie year. Yeah. But Linvald Joseph that year was as good of a first and second down player as Jordan Davis was last year. But I'm saying like what Jordan Davis has, you can't find. Like that size, that athletic combination. and that's why he was the 14th pick in the draft.

Right. But the longer he plays without fulfilling that theoretical upside, the less it matters. Exactly. But that's, you know, this is the Eagles paying for future performance. Like, this is the Eagles paying for what they think the player is going to become. Yeah. Okay.

My other question. Yes. Given the way that the whole offseason played out, right? Now that we can, you know, the big decisions have been made, we can take a step back. Um, you know, they let Josh Sweat and Milton Williams go. They pay a lot of money to sign Zach Bonn. They give Sequin an unprompted raise.

Um, all of the talk about like changing the way that we're structuring stuff and we know, we need to cut cash. It kind of played out like maybe the only thing that mattered is they just didn't love C.J. Garner Johnson. Well, they be, yeah. It's like that. That's the only decision that was affected, essentially. and they just used the second round pick to replace the guy. I do think C.J. Garnon Johnson was going to want a new contract, right? And so I think the cash savings was not what you were getting this year.

It was what an eventual contract would be. It was making the decision, do you want to pay this guy or not? Right. Because, look, I don't know this for a fact, but if C.J. Garner Johnson wanted a new contract, C.J. Garner Johnson doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would be like a wallflower about that. Yeah, right? I don't think that's,

I'm sure that that's part of the calculation. Yeah, you're making that, you're making that calculation. He played well last year. Um, he signed a contract coming off of a down year, uh, in,

in Detroit. And so that is something you have to factor in. Also, like read blanket ships entering the final year of his deal. Like when I, I did the, the 25 step guide going into the offseason, I said,

you're going to have to give one of these guys an extent, an extension. And it's going to be weird with the other guy, right? And they kind of, they kind of took that decision away. right because now only one you know and I'm not saying are we going to get the read extension I would I would think he he would be a good candidate for it right I mean I yeah now I it kind of goes against what I've been speaking about how the how the Eagles don't pay the middle class players yeah and re blanket chips contract would be in that middle class like he's definitely not going to be a top you know five 10 paid safety um but he's going to be in that if I use the you know five to 14 mills million range. He'll be in that 5 to 14 million range. So it kind of goes against what they're doing. I think that's an exception you make if he is as important as, you know, some of the players say he is.

And I mean, you heard, you know, Darius Slay was very intentional when he went on his podcast and he's like, read blank ships a leader in that room, right? And, you know, CJ didn't take too kindly to that. But like, like Darius made, or Slay made sure to say that. Like he was, you know, he repeated it a few times for effect. like read blanketship's the leader in that room and so i i do think that uh read blankshops the type of candidate that they would want to extend but i don't know at what number but you do make a good point that the well the big change here was that they weren't going to pay josh wet they weren't going to pay zach bond right but they were i'm sorry they were going to pay like they also made the calculation that they were going to get good comp for those guys right

so it's it's really like the only decision if they had all the money to spend maybe they would have signed a different, maybe where they would have signed somebody in free agency. And Bexton, yeah. Right. Yeah, but I don't think they, I don't think they wanted to pay Bechtin either. No, but it's, it's letting all the, it's, it's letting those guys leave. Yeah, I think those were, I think those were football decisions. Really?

You think Milton Williams, Josh Swet, those were. Well, like, I, I think. Football decision in the sense that we think, uh, getting next year's third round pick is better than paying Milton Williams 26 million dollars. Yeah, I, I don't think they were paying no one. Not that we don't want the player. Yeah, but fair. Um, fair.

The roster building decisions. I found it, yeah, it was such an interesting anecdote from Vic Fangio when he was on Governor Shapiro's podcast. I think it was a podcast or maybe it was just an interview. Um, next time he's on, he got asked. Yeah, exactly. Why isn't he having you on? I would like to know.

I mean, yeah, I, but I mean, Vic Fangio was awesome on that. And, you know, he's, he's not one who just kind of talks out of his rear end. Like, so he gave the anecdote that, I don't know. if you caught it. I did not. Okay. He said they were on the bus going to the airport. The morning after the Super Bowl.

Okay, morning after. Got it. And Vic Fangio happened to be sitting behind Howie on the bus. And Howie turns around to him and says, which of these three do you want to keep? Or which one do you want to keep the most? That's what it was. Which one do you want to keep the most? And that goes, it was clearly Zach Bond, right?

But like Vic Fangio probably wouldn't say that unless that actually happened. Yeah. Yeah. So I do think the Eagles went into this offseason knowing they can only keep one of those guys. Right. Yeah. And that's certainly true. But I also, I think that was also a roster building decision in addition to, you know, saving the cash.

And it's also why I go back to maybe part of the impetus for Jehahad Campbell is that you have a replacement plan for Zach Bonn in three years. Yeah. if he is the player that you think he is, all of that stuff. But yeah, I don't know. Maybe the, maybe the CJ thing was,

we just want to move on. He, he might be like, you know, the kind of guy who, who you, I already know where you're going. Let's hear it.

Let's go. Let's get an A. No, nothing like that. Just, you know, it's, he's,

hit it and quit it is, I think, what you're, no, like, he's, he's great to have at the party, but like,

you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, not keeping them, you know, around all the time, right? Yeah, yeah. So, okay. He's a fun night, but like, yeah. There we go. Now we got it. No, no, no, no. Now we got it.

We got it. No. But I'm not taking anything. I thought CJ Garna Johnson was a major difference for the Eagles. And I think they are going to miss CJ Gardner Johnson in a big way because as we were doing the defensive depth chart show last week, the thing I said is like you can go through a lot of these spots and you can say even even at defensive tackle like if more Ojoa's good this year then I don't know if they're going to lose if they're going to miss Milton Williams as much as the contract

might suggest and you know edge rusher that's a big loss not having sweat and not having Brandon Graham but they have they have options there safety is the spot where I look at it and you know and even in even cornerback I think they're fine like with without sleigh safety is the spot where

I'm not sure Macuba or Sydney Brown are going to give you what C.J. Garner Johnson did. And, you know, there is, there's a calculation there, and there was a major difference in the back end of the Eagles defense last year compared to 2023. No doubt. Yeah. So I don't say that.

What's that? Shots fired at Kevin Byrd. I mean, the proof was on the field, right? And I like Kevin Byrd, a Philly guy. But, CJ. The new pope. Chicago guy went to Villainville. Nova. Actually, similar to Jalen Brunson. Chicago guy went to Roanova. Although Jalen Brunson grew up in South Jersey for a bit, so he just went to high school in Chicago.

Is it true that the new Pope's dad also posed as Patrick Ewing to Wu women? Is that what Rick Brunson did? I don't believe so. I did not know that. You learned something new on this show every day. Good for the new Pope. Yeah. For Rick Brunson? No, I mean, I think it was a criminal thing. Oh, okay. All right. Well, I take that back. You can be wrong. But I don't believe that that's what it is in my mind. Okay.

Okay. How you doing? I'm well. Doing well. It's been, I'm happy you're back. Good to see you. Thanks to Fran,

Jamie, and Rich for stepping in as well. Yeah, what's Fatherhood Part 3 been like during the past? Been great. Awesome. Yeah. How's your sleep? Not bad.

Better than expected, I would say. Been pretty good. How's your swaddle game? I've got a good swaddle game. Good. Spaddle game. Best swaddler in the house, no doubt. Nice. And your diaper changing still on point. Yep, still on point. Although I will say this is maybe one of the biggest differences, you know, the muscle memory of dealing with the baby all comes back. But because I am now older, like the, the hunching over to change the diaper. Okay. Depending on where we're doing the diaper change, that is more like, oh, I am an old man. Yeah. And, uh,

that's what's been a big, big difference. You got the double straw or going? No, we got right now we got a, uh, single stroller with a little board for. Oh, for Jane. Okay. Okay. And how's Jane handling that? The board. Good.

Good. So she just got her splint off from her broken arm, so she's feeling great. That's awesome. I'm happy to hear that. Yeah. So things are looking up in the Wolfhousehold. Went right back to the monkey bars. It took her two days.

That's, you show them. I'd love that. Yeah. Exactly. Totally unscared. Fall down seven times stand up eight. I mean, I hope it's not seven. It's already been three.

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on the team into taking a pay cut. How do you think that goes over? Fair question. How do I think it goes over? I think that the players understand the business side of it quite a bit. The players who are at a point to care about the contract negotiations know how this stuff works. I think this is why, and in talking, you know, I learned this. I didn't know this as much when I started covering the NFL and I've learned it more covering the NFL.

that when there's no guaranteed money left on a contract, players often look at that, like that year doesn't exist on the contract almost, right? And so not to say that Dallas Goddard and Josh Sweat like saw this coming, but I think both of them realized that when that guaranteed money's not there, that's why, you know, either the team's getting ahead of it or the players getting ahead of it.

And that was always the crux, by the way, of the Hassan Reddick situation was like, there's no guaranteed money after that year. that year on his contract. So that's why he wanted to get a new deal when he did. And the Eagles, you know, if Bryce Huff had a good year last year, he'd be entering into year two and he wouldn't have guaranteed money in year three. It's kind of the way the Eagles structure these three-year deals.

It's like it would have been the case with Sequin Barclay, right, after the season. So how do I think it goes over? I think they get it. I think that at this stage of the roster building, he kind of has enough look I mean the Eagles extended Jordan Milata

I mean they extended their whole offensive line you know four guys in their offensive line they gave Sequin Barclay that deal so I think players recognize that the Eagles pay players but you are right now they've forced players or they strong armed players to use your term to take pay cuts when there was no guaranteed

money left on the deal like I think that that was the key so that in when there's no guaranteed money to team holds the leverage more than the player. Yeah, I just, you know, from a, these guys have been here forever. Sure. And if you're playing the lock them up early to a team friendly deal, like at first they did with both of those guys, right?

It's hard. It's a little bit untoward to then come after them and say, you know, well, you know, you don't deserve this anymore. But I don't know. And the other thing too is part of the pitch. That is the business, as you said. You know, part of the pitch to them is you'll be a free agent after this year. And, you know, without, like, you know, violating any conversations that were,

this was an on-the-record conversation with Josh Swett. It was a casual one, but it wasn't, like, off the record. He had never had a contract year before. Yeah. Right. Like, he was, and neither had Dallas Godder. Part of the thing when Neagle signed these guys to extensions is they're never playing for a new deal.

So I'm not saying that Josh Swett had the year he had last year because he was playing for a new deal, but it's intrinsic. it's intrinsic motivation. And football, in podcasting, if you're on a contract, right? And you're in the last year of your deal, you want to do well, right? So. Let me just tell me more. No, it's just what, you know, when I'm in the last year of my deal, my show's better

be on the top of my game. My articles better be on top of my game the same way Dallas Goddard is coming off, you know, from a negotiation perspective. If Dallas Goddard had the year he had three years ago or in 2022, get a strong year in 2022, he would have more leverage than in a year when he was injured and he had not just his, like, his fewest overall catch his yards touchdowns since his rookie season, but on a per game basis too, the production was down. Now, part of that was the Eagles were running the ball, but nonetheless, like, this is,

you know, teams look at that and they say, this is your age 30 season, he turns 31, I think, what, January 2nd? I think his per route numbers were still very high though. Per route number. Okay, yeah, yeah, fair. Because this was a run first offense. Because it was a run first offense. But I think that, like, Dallas Goddard needs to show that he's the player that I think he is and that certainly I know he thinks he is.

Now, Danez would wonder how much Seekwon is going to be paying Dallas to make up for his pay cut. I mean, Sequons will probably be thrilled about this, right, based on that. Yeah, that's true. What do you think if they had traded Dallas-Gotter? let's say the cults, you know, they got pipped on Tyler Warren and they come to the Eagles for Dallas Godder. What do you think, what would have been reasonable terms?

At 2025, 4. I'm sorry, 2026. Yeah, 226, 4, I think is what. That could go to a third. That could go to a third, exactly. Yeah. If he makes the Pro Bowl, that kind of thing. And then Bauer says,

you've done this to me before, Howley. I'm not doing any playing time incentives this time. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Okay. I think it's, yeah, it's, this team, it just,

it always made more sense for them to keep the player than to get that pick. But, when they're already getting, when they're already getting picks next year from all the free agent departures. Yeah. They haven't added anything else to the offense.

It's just, I think, I think that this is the way that it was going. Yeah, but, you know, you look at it, like, you know, George Kittles in his age 31 season. And I know Kittles been a better player than Goddard, but Kiddle got a big deal in his age 31 season. Yeah.

You know, Evan Ingram, he's 30 turns 31 this year. And he got, you know, over 10 million a year from the Broncos. So that is positioned that, you know, it's, I think the fundamental difference between Josh Sweat and Dallas Goddard here is Josh Sweat went into free agency at age 28. Dallas Goddard's going to go into free agency at age 31. Now, as I wrote on all p.chly.com, 314 tight end is not. But, you know, teams still pay 31-year-old tight ends. But if Dallas Goddard was on the open market this year,

I personally think he would have been the top tight end on the open market. I think he would have been more attractive than Evan Ingram was. That said, you know, Trey McBride gets a huge deal. George Kittle gets a huge deal. Dallas-Gotter had to take a pay cut. Yeah. I imagine that's humbling for Dallas-Gotter. I would imagine so.

And I, there's no doubt that the, you know, injury stuff plays a huge factor here. I mean, he's missed 23 games over the past five seasons. He hasn't, you know, he's had only one season when he played more than 14 games. And he played 10 last year as he's getting older. There's no doubt that that's a huge part here. And now does it concern you that the Eagles don't have a tight end under contract other than Cameron Lattu beyond this evening? Huge, huge other than.

Yeah. So effectively, every, you know, there's not a position. position on the roster where there's this type of uncertainty beyond this season. And tight end. This is very much, like, this is the only spot where the Eagles are like, you know, we're going to win this year, you know, we're going to try to win this year and we'll figure it out next year. It doesn't concern me a ton because, like, you're not worried about filling out the back end

of the roster, right? They'll be able to sign Calcutera or Granson or Bryant to a, to a, cheap deal to be the Titan 2 if they want next year, depending on how the season plays out. It's more just they're going to have to replace Dallas Godder. They're going to need to find their tight end one. Kyle Pitts is a free agent. I just want to say that.

Let me ask you, I'm fascinated. I'm not going to be in tomorrow. I don't want to say unfortunately. My daughter has an assembly that she's singing at, so I'll be there. But I love your shadow draft. And I've been eager for two weeks to find out who your second round pick is in the shadow draft.

And I say that because, because the, you know, if I did now, the shadow, the great thing that you do with the shadow draft is that you do it when you're on the clock. That's the real way to do it, right? Yeah, although on day three, things got away from you a little bit, but yes. But there's another way to do it.

It's not a technical shadow draft, but like if you do the, if you just look at how the draft board went, and you say knowing how it fell, what pick would you done differently? I do wonder if the Eagles would have gone fan in at 64, knowing that he goes to the Browns, what, three picks later? Yeah.

And then you see maybe Makuba falls into the middle of the third round, and then you trade up from 90. Well, are we sure that the Eagles were super interested in these tight ends and Mason Taylor and Harold Fanon? They didn't bring in any tight ends for a pre-draft visit. So you think this was the plan all along? I don't think it was. I think it might have been plan A.

Okay. But I think they needed to be prepared for it. if it wasn't a possibility, I mean, look, I drafted somebody. I think this was, but I think if they, if they were really worried about this,

they would have drafted someone on day three. They had eight picks on day three, right? I mean, I'm fairly confident that, well, to answer that question, and we said this on, on day three, there was a big drop off at that position.

After five guys, five guys went in the first 70 picks. I wrote before the draft, like the Eagles aren't going to take a tight end just for the, the sake of taking a tight end. They're not going to take a tight end just to build their roster out because there was a clear drop off there.

No disrespect to Enronda Getson who went to a team. By the way, it's terrific at evaluating tight ends. Just want to say. That said, your boy. I was surprised you didn't mention this when you guys were doing the player comp episode, which is a very good episode, I thought. Thank you.

When Fran was talking about how accurate Comacord was downfield. And I thought that was your chance to say, well, yeah, because he was doing the catch radius of a round against. So at the event we had on Tuesday night, the diehard event, it was awesome. And Fran's incredible. I said it all the time, but he kept the audience's attention for three hours plus.

It was, how many mice showed up? I didn't see any, but there was leftover food or, you know, there was a lot of food in the trash, so I imagine after I left. But I said to, I said, the Vince, I said, I saw on the website, this is like 530 to 9. Is that, is that really what it is? And he's like, no, it'll be wrapped up by eight. I mean, no, it was eight o'clock. We're still in the fourth,

you know, we're still doing Ty Robinson. Yeah. That's fine. So, and, and so he, he finishes up after after three hours. And I thought, um, if you're, you know, if you're a West Wing fan in the final season, Arnold Vinnick did, did one of those takes every question until like there's no question Of course we all remember. And so, so I thought it was, it was going to be like he just wore everybody out. No, they wanted to do the undrafted players. Get their money's worth. It was awesome, yeah.

And like it's, it's nine o'clock. You know, Emily's been texting me like, what time you get at home? What time you get at home? And so, Fran, but it was awesome. Fran broke the stuff he was, he was breaking down was great. But then when, when he was doing Kyle McCle, chord, you know, I wanted to purposely, like, not speak unless Fran asked me something or unless someone in the audience asked me something. But I wanted to be like, look at this tight end here,

right? Look at this tight end. But what I was going to get to was, uh, I think the coaching staff in particular, this was their plan A. The coaching staff, okay, wanted Goddard back. Um, and I think, and why wouldn't they? Exactly. You know, and again, we always talk like how he's, how he's, how his job is different than next job. It's different than Jason Michael's job. But what Denise talks about in terms of the running game is absolutely the case. What Dallas Goddrick gives the Eagles in the passing game, especially with yards after the catch.

You and I have spoken. I think this offense is going to be more pass-heavy than it was last year. Goddard's a big part of that. And I would go as far as to say that I think the Eagles are going to, well, I think the offense is going to be better this year. But I think the offense is DVOA this year is going to be better than the defense is DVOA. And we can have me, I'm going to do like a prediction article. We'll do a prediction show during the summer.

But I think this is going to be a better offense than the defense. Why? Because this is my big picture takeaway from the off season is that we are expecting the defense to take a step back. It has to take a step back. It can't be the best defense in football again. Where is that improvement coming from on the offense aside from just continuity? because they haven't added anybody to the offense. And they've got a lot of guys who are the second half of their career

who are getting older, and you've got a new offensive scheme to implement. Well, I think they have more guys who are just in the primes of their career, honestly. Like, I think that, you know, J.1. Hertz, A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, you know, Jordan, Mylotta, Landa Dickerson, Cam Juergens, right there, primes their career. And I could put Seekwon in that category. I didn't put Seekon in because... He can't be as good as unless this year. Exactly. But, like, AJ Devante,

J. Jalen need to be better than they were last year. I think the faith in the offense taking that leap is almost entirely Jalen Hertz. We are expecting Jailen Hertz to have a great year. Exactly. And I mean, A.J. Brown is like that good. Devante Smith is that good. It would surprise me if Devante Smith is a sub 1,000-yard receiver again, right? It would surprise me if A.J. Brown is not like an elite player this year.

And so for that to happen, Janel needs to have a better passing season than he had last year. And I think, I mean, I agree that they are going to tilt the knob a little bit more in that direction. We'll find out about the Petulow offense. What was your view of the proposal? What proposal?

AJ's proposal. Oh, I didn't see it. I just saw the headline that he got engaged. Oh, wow. I mean, he posted it. I was trying to be much less. You're trying to disband. Much less online.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, first off, he, he brought John Legend in. Oh, yeah, I saw the John Legend was involved. Yeah. And he, it was a huge thing at the four seasons. Okay. In Philly? In Philly here.

Okay. Yeah, I think he, he convinced. Yes. Okay. I think he convinced, or I shouldn't say, convinced, I think he sold it as he was going to an award show. I like that. And then.

It's good to have, it's good to have. have the status that you can just convince someone that. Oh yeah, I've got an award show. Yeah, or something like that. So he was dressed up, she was dressed up. And I mean, it was incredible, right? Like it was, it was, it was well done. But calling in John Legend, that's a, that's a high bar. That's that. Yeah. How did you propose to Emily? I proposed to Emily. I mean, I can give you the story if you want. I mean, I don't know if the audience needs to hear the story. But you don't have to share it if you don't want to. I just go. I proposed her on on the porch, on a porch down the shore when I was reading.

The thing is this, when I first met Emily, she thought that, you know, she, she thought I was, I was a little boring because we spoke about the shore. I read this somewhere lately. And I said to her, I said to her that, that, you know, she asked me what I'd like to do down the shore. And I said, I'd like to read, which is true. Like, I wasn't closing down the Chelsea at the time. That was a nightclub that was popular back when, you know, we were.

like, you know, in our 20s. And I wasn't closing down the Chelsea. I was, I was reading Rick Riley or he wasn't writing then. I was, I was reading Sports Illustrated and, you know, books. And that's what I like to do during my free time during the summers. I like to read. And so I proposed to her while I was reading on the porch as a callback. Hopefully not while you were reading.

No, she walked out there. And I mean, I was a good callback. It was all planned. And then, yeah. And I had a whole thing. Retroactively, if you could have hired any singer to help with the proposal, who would it have been? Who would have been your John Legend?

Adam Sandler. Oh, Julia's favorite song. Yeah, grow old with you. Yeah. I love that song. I sing it. I sing it now. That's like the one song that I sing my kids.

So I've written, I'm giving way too much here. This was fun in the last three weeks when I didn't have to give any person. I've written lyrics to it that are, that are specific to, to Emily and me that I, that I sing. Now that is the side of the romance we have not heard before. Well, no, it's with the kids too. Okay.

And so like, Julie's gonna cry. So like there's a, there's a line in, it's not from the wedding singer, it's from Adam Sanders Act now where he says, you know, all I need is you and me and Sadie and Sunny. And so, you know, in mine, it's all I need is you and me and Reedy and Slop.

and sloony. So something like that. So anyways. Yeah. But that would be, it's just, it's a, it's a powerful song.

That's great. Yeah. All right. What about you? What about me? How did you propose? I proposed in front of our apartment when we were living on

Fourth and Bainbridge. And I had a photographer there to take pictures. Nice. Yeah. Nice. And if you could have any singer, There, who would it be? Hmm.

Good question. I should have thought about the answer since I asked the question myself. Probably you. Me? No, you don't want to move. No. I don't know. I don't have a good answer.

I don't think that would have been the way that I would have gone. What was your wedding song? What did you dance to? We were introduced to that thing you do. Okay. And how about your first dance? If I could write a book. Really?

Yes. I don't know that song. I should listen to it. know it. There you go. How about you? So my, our, our first song was the way you look tonight. That, the song that was our first dance rather was the way you look tonight. And then I, I walked down the aisle, you know, with my mom to, uh, don't worry, be happy. Oh, your favorite song. Yeah, my favorite song. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. There you go. All right. Fran says Duran Duran, because he's making a, uh, hungry like a wolf.

I believe we do have a super chat. And I apologize. I did not read a super chat in yesterday's show. Oh my gosh. We got it and I apologize. Let's check out to super chat. From CDP, who says, I like to think that people are better than their worst selves.

But what if one's worst self is their true self? What can we expect from Bryce Huff? I'm not sure Bryce Huff's going to be on the team this year. Oh, interesting. Tell me more. Well, post-June 1st, it's easier for my, cap perspective. We always talk about cash,

but the cash doesn't matter with Bryce Huff because he's guaranteed the money, you know, he's guaranteed the money. So you care more about the cap in, in Bryce Huff's cap. And in Bryce Huff's case, so you can manage the cap more post June 1st.

And so, look, if he's not one of your, if he's going to be inactive, then you don't need, you know, the calculation needs to be, can he provide enough value for your team. It's a sunk cost at this point, from my perspective. Now, they might say that there's more to be written in the Bryce-Huff story. That very well might be the case. But if he's not going to

be a part of your edge rush or rotation, you look to trade him. I'm not saying. Yeah. Yeah, he could be. He was inactive for the Super Bowl. Now, it's a different. They lost Josh Sweat. Of course. They lost Brandon Graham. He was active for the Super Bowl. I don't know if Azizzo Jolari or Josh Uche is, he's going to, you know, I don't know if Antoine Pal Ryland's going to be that player for you. So, Bryce Huff, he might very well be there number two at rush for this year, right? Like, he could be there above Joe Exxon. Bryce off has, he's shown that he can be that player. Fran made a point in the film session that was, that was terrific, that was like speed rushers

tend to have the year-to-year variance that some other players don't have. Did we miss? Do we need to go? Oh, we've got 10 seconds because we started a little bit late. I'm going to let you do it, Zach. I want to hear more about what you think Bryce Huff's future in Philadelphia is in overtime. Now you hit the overtime before the graphic. I like to hit it after.

Okay. Interesting. I like people in the chat are going through where they've proposed. So I do it before the graphic because if you're listening on audio, then you say in and then there will be a break and then you say overtime. I like to say in overtime and then there's the break for the audio listener so they know what... I like the dramatic pause. What you're getting into.

Yeah. So it's a good question there. Which one's better? I don't, I'm not saying Bryce Huff's not going to be on the team. I think Bryce Huff will very much be available. I just don't know what the purpose would be of moving on from him in June. Why not just see what he has in training camp? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think the Bryce Huff situation this year is comparable to the James Bradbury situation last year, where you're bringing him the camp. You're going to see what he has to offer, but you're not. You're going to keep him on the roster anyway. But you're not like you're not building your game plan around Bryce Huff. Oh, sure. Around Bryce Huff being a contributing player.

Whereas this time last year, we were talking about Bryce off as the top edge rush on the team. Yeah. No, I think it's a little different than Bradbury in, well, I mean, you know, he was in the secondary, so there are spots to go around. But I think there is, like, in theory at least, there should still be a role that Bryce off could play. Yeah. Even at the diminished capacity he was last year. But I think they'll wait and see.

They'll wait and see. It's going to be an important thing to monitor during training camp. Super chat from Steve Whitaker, who just says, welcome back both. Thank you. Thank you, Steve. Appreciate that. No, I was self-conscious the other day because Fran thought you would be offended by the Met Gallo thing. Ah, the Met Gallup.

Yeah. Now, I meant it as a compliment. Like, I, because I made sure that I said, I didn't think you would want to attend the Met Gala, but I think you would know about the Met Gala more than I would. And like, I think, I mean, first off, you, it's, I think it's very much a part of like the New York. It's not. It's not. Okay.

No. Have you been to the Met in New York? I have been to the Met. Okay. We talked about that offset. The only time I've been to the Met was interview John Mara, leading into, you know, They had like a Super Bowl press conference there one time. Okay.

When the Meadowlands was. Very classy place to have a press conference. It was. It was over breakfast at the, but that was, I took the subway or I took the path to the subway. Anyways, did I offend you with that? I'm going to, I'm going to disappoint you and friend here in that I don't really have a strong take on it. Okay. Maybe it's, you know, maybe this post-birth afterglow.

It's just, you know, hard to get worked up. But, I mean, yeah, I don't, I don't know a lot of. about the Med-Gal. I have no idea what goes on inside, but I wasn't offended. Okay. Did you see what you were? I remember my favorite Metcala memory is when is the year that Bernard Gilke was there and Butch Husky and did they really go to that? Oh, you're doing the New York Mets. I see what you did. Okay. I see what you did there. Yeah. I mean, there was a huge article on ESPN.com today about what did you think of Jalen's fit. Well, that's, I mean, I'm more into like an understated fit, but understated

doesn't go in the mech out sure that's not the yeah that's not the intent i mean jallin pulled it off great i looked great yeah look great you know him and his wife congratulations to jellan by the way thank i don't think i ever congratulated him on the show if he's watching i'll pass along he's watching he's watching an overtime congratulations yeah yeah look he look i mean jowen once said that you know uh you make the clothing right like like you make things look good and and yeah jillan pulls it off well good for jellin okay what else you got shout out to the met. There you go. Unclair says Jaywin looked A plus plus. Yeah, plus.

Three pluses. I was, I was worried that I offended you. That was not my intention whatsoever. I was, I thought it was a compliment. Like you're, I mean, I didn't take it as a compliment. I think of the three of us, you are most in tune with like the cultural zeitgeist. You know, if there's if there's a popular film that's being talked about at the Melk Alley, you would probably know what that film is, is my guess.

I mean, the further you walk along this line, the closer you approach offense, but that's okay. Okay. All right. Jalen and Bree were lovely. Do you guys think Bree will let me borrow her dress for the Ospreys? Asked Cousin Grace. Sure.

I think there's no, there's a website that I think you can rent like dresses, right? That's true. I remember during wedding seasons, like that was a popular way. Yes. I didn't want to give them free plug. They can advertise with us. Yeah, there's got to be competitors too.

Okay, yeah. But yeah, check that out. Check that out. Maybe she put it on. Yeah, maybe she put it on there. I don't know. I mean, there are, you know, it's, it seems, it seems ridiculous. I shouldn't even open my mouth. Too late.

But yeah, it seems ridiculous that, like, there's this. I'm sure this, this isn't always the case, but that, like, women sometimes think that you can only wear a dress one time. Like, you know, like, no, you, like, I have one suit that I wear. for everything. This offends your, your miserly sensibilities. It's just, it's like you look,

you should be able to just wear the same dress to every wedding. You know, you probably look great. And, you know, you're happy with how you look, wear it to every wedding.

Have you suggested that to Emily? I'm trying to stay married. Polar Jam with the SuperChance says, how did Bo feel about Zeeby's opinion that Bo and Fran are practice watcher snobs? I've said this to you. Not snobs, that you're an astute observer, that you're not a small talker at practice.

Yeah, but that's not how you, that is not how you framed it. We were unapproachable. I mean, look, if, okay, you and Fran are watching O-line D-line. Yeah. An intern for the news journal comes up to you. And it's like,

it's like, you know, he's real nervous. or she's real nervous and is like, you know, Bo, I'm a huge fan of your work, my friend of your show. Like, you're not going to get into a conversation about, oh, where do you go to school? Like, well, I'm not going to be an A-hole. But I might say, like, thank you for, thank you so much for saying hi. And then when the period's over, I'll talk to the person. Okay, yeah, but I'm saying you're, yeah, you're focused. I'm there to do a job.

Precisely. Yeah. It's not snobbish. Are you not? No, but I think that, you know, I, I'm very, worried on the days when I'm doing the notes that don't miss something. But the other days, like, um, look, that's the only chance we get to really watch football. I agree. But I, I, I have a hard time, like, not engaging with someone when they're, when they come up and say hello.

Um, so I, if anything, it's like, I, you know, you can't wear AirPods during it. But that's, that's, that's like the only way that, uh, because I, for some reason. Yeah. I'm, I'm talking to different people. track you're a magnet. I'm just saying that I get, you know, I get people asking questions and I engage in the conversations. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,

that's what I'm there for. I wasn't by no means. This is a larger, this is a larger, personality, uh, fault or, or strength,

depending on how you look at it of mine is that I just, I'm not good at faking it. this is a separate thing but like you know if I'm at a party and there's somebody who I don't I don't like and then when I come over and talk to me I'm not going to I'm not going to engage in that conversation for like a happy 15 minutes yeah so you and I are different there it's like yeah I I um yeah and actually one of the things then we really wants me to work on next um football season and uh off season so the whole year

June is to say no more to things. Yeah, she's right. But then this is my rebuttal to that, okay? I encroach on other people, like players, coaches. Sure. I'm expecting them or hoping they give me their time, right? So I feel as if I owe people that same, you know, if I have that expectation for people I cover,

then someone who's interested in my time, I owe it to them to say yes. That's my view on it. Well, yeah, I think that's fair, but there are certain things that don't fall under that category. And there are, and there have been times, like, especially because my son's playing sports now. And my daughter has, like, recitals and stuff. Those are more during the day. But sports at night.

And I'm missing games that I really want to be at because I'm committed to a gig that, like. Yeah, you're allowed to say, I have a, I have another. So that's something that we, this has been a point of contention in the past few weeks that really needs to be rectified moving forward. Well, good thing you won't have a book to sell again, right? September 23rd, okay, and I'll, look, I will be working that circuit hard because I was at an event on Friday and someone asked me about, you know, writing the book and I said, Opportunity is not a lengthy visitor.

I've heard that before. Yeah. But the person asked me about writing a fourth book, and I said, I'm going to write in my fourth book, we'll be on how to stay married because I'm not going to write a four. Like, if the Eagles win the Super Bowl. I would read that book. No, I'm saying.

I was making a joke. I was like, I'm not, I hope to write a fourth book one day, but it won't be next year. And so I will say on the show right now, if the Eagles win the Super Bowl in 2026, I will not write a full-length book. Okay. Perhaps there's like a chill, like a young adult's book that I can squeak out.

Now you're saying that takes no skill. No, it just doesn't take, but I will not write a full-length book next off season because. What is the, what is the season outcome that would force you to go back on that word? There must be something. If they went undefeated. I had the first, the perfect, yeah, the perfect, the perfect season, right? Okay. I mean, that would sell.

If they name Emily GM? Yeah, I don't think Howie's giving up his, his, his, his, his perch. But yeah, I mean, I did kind of promise that I'm not doing a book next off season. So, I mean, I cannot believe that you threw in the full-length qualifier there. That is, that is outrageous. Well, Reed does want me to write a children's book. And, you know, shout out to Brandon Graham. He has a children's book out this weekend.

This week is some book signings coming up. But read wants me to write a children's book. Because I read to the kids and I read the book in one night. And I'm like, man, I just uprooted my entire life to write this book. That's a different craft. Exactly. I got to get every word right. Exactly.

I agree. Economy of Language. Okay. Good to see you again. Good to see you. I miss this. Sorry you won't be here to. I guess some people are, you know, committed to this show and some are not, but

this assembly is at 1.30. I was trying to figure out. I was joking. I was gone. I know, but I said to Emily, I was like, how long do you think it is? I am proud of you for choosing that. Because there's a chance that I was like, if it wraps up in 30 minutes, I could find a spot to do a remote. Zach?

Yeah. I am, I am, I think this is personal growth. I am proud of you for choosing not to do the show tomorrow. Well, thank you. Thank you. Okay. that'll do it for this episode of the pHL My Eagles podcast. Thanks to everybody for watching and listening.

Thanks to Julia for making it happen. Thanks again to everybody who helped out while I was gone. We'll be back tomorrow. Fran in the saddle. We're going to go over the shadow draft. Maybe Fran will do one of his own. Compare how they look to the Eagles draft class, all that good stuff. We'll talk to tomorrow 2 o'clock for all of us here.

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