PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Howie Roseman and Nick Sirianni talk A.J. Brown trade buzz, Sean Mannion hire | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

Just as the Eagles head to the NFL scouting combine, Howie Roseman and Nick Sirianni addressed A.J. Brown’s future with the team, Sean Mannion’s scheme along with the interview process for the offensive coordinator role, and several other noteworthy things in a media session with reporters. Bo Wulf and EJ discuss their major takeaways from Roseman and Sirianni going into their official news conferences in Indianapolis. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, good morning and welcome to the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast, Bo Wolf E.J. Smith, live from the Xfinity Mobile Studio and presented by Bet365. And Ashley, we've got a special early show for you on a Tuesday as we prepare to fly out to Indianapolis. And boy, will our arms be tired. But we have some very juicy discussions about the Eagles to get into, E.J. because. Just about four days ago, four days ago. Good math, by you. Spent a lot of time, buckling down and chopping it up with Nick Siriani and Howie Roseman. And we are finally at liberty to discuss those conversations, E.J., and I want to know everything that you think was interesting about what they said. We're going to talk about A.J. Brown. We're going to talk about Jeff Stoutland.

We're going to talk about Sean Mannion. We're going to talk about the tight end position. We're going to talk about Tanner McKee and Jalen Phillips. Lots to get into some very interesting stuff, EJ. Let's begin at the top. Let's start with AJ Brown. You tell me what's brewing on this front. Do the Eagles want to trade number 11?

Yeah, it was good to hear from Howie and Nick, first and foremost, going into the combine. And I did find it very interesting. The space that remains in the conversation that we have, with them about one, A.J. Brown. So I think we'll start with Howie Roseman, his comments on AJ Brown, because I feel like he's the one who has final say, and I think that therefore they should take precedent. We'll get to Nick Seriani's in a minute, although I do think they might be the more eyebrow raising of the two. But Howie Rosen on A.J. Brown, I will read his quotes here. He says, I go back to what I said before the season. It's really hard to find great players.

AJ's a great player from my perspective. We're looking to improve in all areas, and you don't do that by subtracting. Now that sounds like the stock standard answer we've gotten from Howie on AJ Brown. Not the business to get rid of good players. Yeah, we don't trade great players here, which we will unpack in a second. When asked directly about the potential to listen to offers for AJ, fielding calls on AJ, Howie Roseman went on to say, you never know what someone is willing to do. certainly we've been in situations where there were guys we didn't anticipate

trading that we got an offer that was too good for and then you balance it with what you can get there this is the big part of the quote here to me without getting into specifics on any player we're always listening we are all we're always kind of open there's very few things I wouldn't shoot down without even hearing with what what that means because how does it hurt to listen again we are always listening is the headline here to me um how he wrote he said a similar thing about tanner mckee when he said a similar thing about tanner mckee when he was asked about him later on, right? Yeah, which I think is also telling, right? I do take Howie Roseman at his word. If you ask him about pretty much any player on the Eagles roster, he would say,

you know, I'll pick up the phone and hear what the offer is. He would not be doing his job otherwise. Right. But I do think if you're, the way that Howie Roseman has messaged this does leave open the potential for them to trade AJ Brown. And it also signifies to me that there is a price that the Eagles would trade AJ Brown for, which again, some people will say, of course there's a price. as there should be. Yeah, right. Of course, there's a price. There's a number the Eagles would, you know, would be willing to trade AJ Brown for, whether that's a first round pick, whether that's a future first round pick, I think is, you know, something up for discussion. But to me, this is, this is not no. You know, this is a space that somewhere in between yes and

no, will AJ Brown be back? And I do think it signifies that if they get that late first round pick, do you feel like that is the requisite value for a player like AJ Brown? I do think that there's a real chance. Now, you know, how he kind of push back on the idea that he has traded disgruntled players before, you know, players who didn't want to be with the organization, but there is a precedent for it, right? You look at Carson Wentz. You look at Hassan Reddick. I think those are two, you know, two big ones. I think Zach Kurtz, like he wanted to be with the Eagles, but he wanted, you know, he wanted a contract extension, which kind of, you know, led to him wanting to be traded. but I think Hassan Reddick and Carson Wentz being traded are examples of the team being willing to move on from a player that may or may not want to be with the organization any longer.

But with both of those trades, the compensation had to be right for them to do it. And I think that's where we're at with AJ Brown. If they don't get the compensation, they don't get the draft capital, they want back. I think he will be in an Eagles uniform. But to me, Howie's answer is for the right price, yes. well and for both of them they did not let it drag they did not want to let it drag on

they they prioritized being able to get requisite value as opposed to let's let them call in their bluff let's play on it and then if not we'll trade you for less as it moves forward I don't think that necessarily means that's what's going to happen here I think AJ Brown is more

important to the life cycle of this team than either of those guys were which is saying a lot but it is also true. But it was also interesting about this whole back and forth, EJ, both with Howie and Nick, is, this was a fun experience to watch as a, just a member of the media.

Like, I think people who are, who enjoy the, like the Philadelphia Eagles beat core situation, like we're there in the draft room and everybody's huddled around and obviously everybody's fighting over for questions. But you, I think both times, double down on an AJ question

because you were asking a different thing. You know, the question was like, do you want AJ Brown here? Do you are going to keep him? And your perspective is more, well, is your understanding that AJ wants to be here, which is. And how much does that influence? Yeah, how much does that influence the decision you make? Because I do think that is the bigger question here. Of course, the Eagles want AJ Brown back.

Of course they want him to be a part of their plans moving forward. He's one of the best receivers in the NFL. So I don't think, listen, I'm not trying to, you know, persmurch anybody's question or criticize anybody's question here. No, no. But I do think it's an important. follow-up to, you know, do you want AJ Brown back? Yeah, I think it's very, it's very easy to think the Eagles,

the thing that they would like the most is AJ Brown to be back and happy. The second thing that they would like is to get appropriate value for him in return. Yep. And like that is, that is probably the next best thing. Yeah, I think that's perfectly framed. It's like in an ideal world, because again, I think that it's reductive to just say like, just don't trade AJ Brown. Like that's the first thing they should do in the offseason is just don't trade

AJ Brown. You know, don't let AJ Brown leave. And it's like, I think these things are more complicated. I think that Howie Roseman has proven to be like understanding that these things are more complicated. You know,

he answered my question by basically saying he does what's best for the team. You know, he does whatever is best for the Philadelphia Eagles. But in that answer, I do think sometimes it is best for the team to not drag something like this out. So I think for that reason, Like, I mean, I probably went into the room like 55, 45, 45, 60, 40 that he gets traded, especially like, you know, in light of Nick Seriani's answers on this. I'm probably more like 65, 35 at this point that AJ gets traded.

I'm a little bit further, further along now. Interesting. You know me to read the Nick quotes? Yes. And then I want, and then as you find that, I also want you to think about, do you think, if I tell you that the Eagles are going to trade AJ Brown, do you think it happens? in like the first three days of the league year? Or do you think it is something that drags on and they're looking to find it

and they haven't found it yet and then they're maybe willing to do it on draft night? It's a good question. I think it's something that could linger into draft night. You know, I think that there's going, because again, as much as I think it will happen, that's more of a reflection of the fact that I think the market will be there

with some of these teams in the latter half of the first round. Maybe that market takes a little bit of time to material lies and draft night you know is what kind of creates the urgency um so i probably guess it lingers to draft night but no i do i think there's going to be a market which is why i think that they'll move on from a j brown if i don't think they're going to move on from a j brown for a third round pick well you know i don't think that they're going to do it even for a second i think it's a future first i think it's a later first late first round pick in this year's draft and you know for that reason i think that they'll get it and i think that's why it'll happen so um i've got nick's quotes here

Nick, when it asked pretty directly, will AJ Brown be back next year? Said, I can't guarantee how anything is going to play out going into next season. He kind of, I didn't have this in the quote I wrote down, but he kind of alluded to the fact, like, I don't even know if I'll be the head coach, you know, and then next year. And, you know, kind of pointed to that and said, you can't guarantee anything past tomorrow. He went on to later say, does he want to be here? Yes. Do I want him to be here? Yes. Okay. There you go. Then I'll do it for what's brewing, presented by our friends.

at Wawa, the A.J. Brown of it all from Howie Roseman. That's like our most sad phrase at this point in the off season, the A.J. Brown of it all. Yeah, I know. I know. And listen, I guess I get that it's tiresome. Howie and Nick are going to speak later today at the podium. I'm sure they will be asked about it again. We won't, we won't spend time on it. Their public comments. I feel like we can be done with whatever their public comments are. And now we will continue to do some reporting and also just monitor what what actually happens. All right. From here, E.J. how I want to do this is I want you to just, I want you to, you know, inverted peer admin me here. Okay.

I want you to prioritize what you thought were the most interesting things you heard from either Nick or Howie. I'm guessing a lot of it's howie. Actually, there was some interesting Nick things in here. And then we'll and then we'll just unpack it at the end. If there's anything else I want to discuss, I will, I will shoot it over your way. Yeah, I think there's a 2A and a 2B here. And I'm curious which one you expect me to go with here. I would probably go Nick on Sean one is more yeah one is more important to the

2026 Eagles one is more interesting about the the last month or so exactly yeah that's that that's well said yeah the Nick on Nick on Sean Manion was interesting to me because this is our thing that's right because we're going to need to go to break and the other ones is going to be a little bit juicier yeah this is our first time hearing from Nick Siriani since Sean Mannion was hired as offensive coordinator and I thought it was very interesting that Nick was honest about the process taking longer than they may be expected. And the candidate that they settled on, not being everything that they thought, not checking every box that they went into.

We shouldn't say settled on. We shouldn't say so. The candidate they found. The candidate that they eventually chose. I didn't mean settled in a negative connotation. But they, you know, Nick Siriani said they had 17 interviews and they double, they had double interviews. I think you said seven.

Yeah, at least 17. interviews, you're right. And for that reason, he said that they went in prioritizing play calling experience. And, you know, obviously, Sean Mannion impressed them enough that they didn't prioritize it at the end of the day, obviously with Sean Mannion. And I thought it was, that was refreshingly honest from Nick Siriani and also insightful into like how impressive they are, how impressed they are with the, what Nick Siriani said was the vision and the conviction that Sean Mannion has in what system he will run with the Eagles. And we can get into what that looks like. You know, I think that Nick Siriani gave us some good indications on what a Sean Mannion system will look like, what it will

prioritize. But yeah, no, it did. It surprised me to hear Nick talk about the fact that he, you know, play calling experience with something on his list when they went into the process. And when they settled on Sean Mannion, they decided that that wasn't as important as maybe they originally thought. Yeah, there were two interesting things he said about the process and the way that it worked out. One of them is that, that he did expect going in that he wanted somebody with experience. And it's, you know, you could, you could frame it similarly to the AJ Brown thing, where the best thing that could have happened would have been somebody with experience who we like the upside lot. And there's a good track record.

Barring that, we would probably rather have someone who will take the gamble on and hope that they can be good rather than someone who has experience, but it's not my favorite kind of experience. Yeah. So that's interesting. and it's obvious that, you know, Mannion was not, they didn't begin this search thinking that Mannion was going to be one of the main contenders. And then they made a bunch of calls and the more calls around the league they made, not even just on the Mannion front, but like, who do you like? Those things bubbled Mannion to the surface and then they talked to him and they were very impressed. The other thing that was interesting in terms of like what he expected going in is he said entering the search, he was interested in the Shanahan style offense, but not necessarily.

needing it. He wanted to find out more about it. He wanted to talk to people with that experience. It was like, you know, I would like it, but I don't need it. And then the more he went into the process, the more smitten with that offense, he felt like he became.

Yeah. So this will dovetail nicely into what we'll talk about at the other side of the break. But this is a good discussion we should have to. Nick Siriani talked about... Should we save it? Should we do it on the other side? I think this could go.

Okay, go ahead. No, yeah, maybe we should make it a big package deal with a team. Yeah, let's talk about what Nick Siriani was so smitten about with Sean Mannion and the Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVe systems. And it might surprise you. And how it kind of leads into the next thing we're going to talk about. There you go. Stay tuned. Would you like to make watching the game a little bit more exciting?

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Go on E.J. All right. After that delicious teas you had, E.J. Let's deliver. What is it about the Sean Mannion offense that attracted Nick Siriani so? So really jumped out to me that the Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan scheme, and what Sean Manning will bring to the Eagles, Nick Siriani really prioritized and talked about the run game

and the run concepts that that system uses, how it marries up to the play action game and the past game, but really specifically how this is sort of the modern way, the modern way to deal with defensive fronts, changing the look late in the pre-late process, to really be able to account for some of those things. So one of the biggest, like, most interesting quotes we got from Nick, in my opinion, was this one here.

So he says, with the way the NFL is right now, you've seen a lot of teams that have done things where they're reading pure progressions to handle all the junk that's being thrown at you by the defense. And this is in the past game he's talking about. Basically, you know, all offenses are going to pure progression reads where you go read one, two, three, and four, because it's so hard to guess coverages these days.

And this is me talking, not Nick. So back to the quote from Nick here. He says, well, this version of the run game is kind of like that. It is kind of in that mix as well. It's the run game version of it. There's a lot of junk that's being thrown at you. This handles a lot of it. And then what I loved about it is the way it meshes up

and marries the play action world. and how it fits some of the guys that are on our roster. So he goes on to explain it further. But to me, this is the new way to run the football in the NFL to deal with what defenses are doing to you. That jumped out to me. You know, that is like, again, it dovetails nicely into Nick Siriani and Howie Roseman talking about Jeff Stoutland's departure. But I think for the first part of this, we should just talk about that being the standout feature of a Sean Mannion offense to Nick Siriani. It is impossible, though, not to bring Stoutland into this part of the conversation.

Sure, yeah. Because it is Nick saying that his priority in the offensive coordinator search was fixing the running game. And that's so fascinating because for all the, as we've talked about, two years ago, the Eagles with Jeff Stoutland as run game coordinator had the best running game in football. And last year they did not. And immediately we got to change everything about the running game. We can get to after that some of the unpacking that Nick had when asked about, you know, Stoutland's run game quote unquote demotion midway through the season and the interpersonal dynamics at play. But it is fascinating both from a, wow, why does Nick want that when, you know, they were so successful two years ago?

but also from a okay maybe it's telling us a little bit about some of the frustrations of the play action game and the under center stuff really were wedded to the way that Jeff Stalen wanted the running game to look and so it is going to be a really interesting experiment in terms of what the offense looks like moving forward without Jeff Staling as the run game coordinator yeah yeah I mean it is a reflection I do like you know to give Nick Siriani like to kind of try and play his art put his side of the argument here you know Eagles offense really struggled last year being the you know dictating terms to the defense you know they were oftentimes reactive to what the defense was doing and struggled because of that you know how many times did we hear Kevin Petulow and Nick Siriani talk about the fact that they had unscouted looks right or that you know they they couldn't they didn't have a good handle on what they were getting from the from opposing defenses Because Unsked looks is a great callback. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, we heard it so much, right? So, you know, I think that this is, to Nick, a way to become less reliance on having the answers to the test. You know, being able to be more aggressive and, again, not having to be so reactive. So obviously, what's that? That's very well put. Yeah. Obviously, the Eagles had a historic run game while being reactive, you know, while being able to, you know,

while being able to, you know, figure out the answers to the test. But last year, I think was a reflection. of, you know, how that can, the downside of it. So, you know, Nick mentioned that he wanted the run game, or that he made the run game more collaborative last year and, you know, when talking about Jeff Stoughtland, and I think that this is the next step toward that. So at this point, I think we probably can kind of put the Sean Mannion talk to bed

and put a pivot to what was my 2B in the inverted pyramid here, which is Howie and Nick on Jeff Stoutland's departure. And the first thing I would say about it, And I'm, you know, I think you, I know you agree with me based off our conversations before the show. There is a wide gulf between the way that Nick and Howie talked about Jeff Staland. I wouldn't say, they were both complimentary of him. But, you know, I would say that there were different tenors to the way that they discussed that topic. I mean, hugely so.

When Howie was talking about Jeff Stiland, he was, you know, he was not, I think authentically. like laying it on. Like, you know, this, you know, Stought is still a dear friend of mine. I got the quote. You want to read it? Sure. I don't think it's a secret how close I am to Stout, not was M, I am to Stout. How much I appreciate our relationship, the process that we go through.

I probably have 50 stories on our draft process and how we went through him. I miss him. I care about him. And then he said, but obviously there was a change there. Now, we will get to, we will get to actually like the draft process for offensive of Lyman and what changes in a minute. But that contrasts with Nick, who was essentially like,

it was another member of the coaching staff that he lost and was pretty matter of fact about it. Not putting him under the bus, but like, you know, he was a big part of what we did. Now we've got to figure out how to move on without him. And then he was asked about, you know, the reporting from Jeff McLean that

the run game coordinator was taken away from Stoutland at some point through the season. And how Nick explained it was that, that it went along with what we heard, what Nick said, which was that he became more involved in the offense. And that meant every phase of the offense. And it was interesting.

He actually broke it down, third down, red zone, short yardage, run game, play action, and dropback. And that meant in the running game, instead of it being stouts in charge, and the meeting rooms are split, right? And that's part of the change here. and Nick actually said that he plans to carry that forward into this season, whereas in the past, it would be, okay, there's a run meeting over here, there's a past meeting over here. On pods and past pods. We've got to split up our time. Instead, we're all going to be in everything, and you wonder about the efficiency of that, and it's going to be more collaborative.

And so instead of it just being Stout and whoever else is in charge of the running game, it's we're all doing it. And Stout is maybe leading the discussion to some degree, or, you know, I wouldn't even say final say, but, but has like the rough draft or something like that, then all of a sudden it gets, it gets banded about. And yeah, you can understand why Stott would take that as something of a demotion. That's not how Nick framed it.

But it was very interesting insight into what was obviously a coaching staff that was struggling to find answers on offense and to some degree flailing at it. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's important. to note that Nick did say that they wanted him back, but I think that quote, I think, as the offensive line coach. Yeah, I was going to say that quote to me is a window into something that we've discussed a lot on the show that is so important when you were talking about Jeff Soutland's departure,

which is, I think it's clear that the organization thought very highly of him as the offensive line coach. I think Nick Siriani's answers about Sean Mannion and the run game he's bringing and the way that last season went in Nick's eyes, I think it is pretty clear that him as the run game coordinator was the sticking point for the coaching staff and really for him for Jeff Stallon as well, obviously. So which kind of brings me to my takeaway from this, which is I don't know if I love the way that this is shaping up for Nick Siriani

in terms of like narrative, like narration-wise, like where it has now become like Nick Siriani is betting on his ability to reshape offensive coaching staff and reshape the Eagles run game into something that is more effective without Jeff Stoutland. You know, I think the results are going to be a reflection of Nick Siriani at this point, especially like you heard how Halley-Rosman talked about Jeff Stowland. And that's not to say that Halley-Rosman was like, oh, I don't want Jeff Stoutland to leave. Like, I can't believe you did this.

But I do think that the way that they both talked about, it's clear that this was something that Nick kind of felt was necessary to, you know, bring the Eagles run game to where it needs to be. So the results are going to be reflective of Nick Siriani's decision. And I think, again, like, maybe the Eagles run game is dominant next season and he's proven right. But if it's not, it will be a reflection of Nick Siriani. So do you, is there, is there a part of you that feels like this is to some degree analogous to the Chip Kelly, Howie Roseman situation, where Jeff Statland is still on paper in the building. And, cast aside to let somebody else sink?

I don't, I mean, I don't think he's in the building, you know, I don't think it's like, oh, you know, they're going to realize he's being paid. He's under contract, right? Yeah, he's under contract. Yeah, that is slightly different than like being around. But, yeah, I mean, I do think there are some similarities there. I think that, you know, if this doesn't go well next season, you know, if the Eagles run game is really struggling and, you know, we have an offseason of Nick pushing for it to look the way

that it looks, then yeah, I do think that this has that similar feel where, I mean, I think we can all agree. Like this next season is going to be a lot, a real reflection and a lot about Nick Siriani and, you know, we'll have significant impact on the way that, you know, his future prospects, right? And I think that it does kind of remind me of that, you know, Chip Kelly, Holly, Roseman situation where if it goes poorly, if you're Jeffrey Lurie, you're looking at Nick Siriani saying, this was your idea, you know, and they lost one of the best. assistant coaches in the NFL, really in the last few decades. Yeah, I do think that this is, this is a like high risk, high reward situation for

Nick Siriani. And honestly, I would say the risk probably outweighs the reward to some degree. Because when you let a coach like Jeff Stoutland leave the building, obviously they didn't fire him, but, you know, when he is departing because of the fact that these things transpired, yeah, that does put pressure on Nick Siriani to make sure that the next, you know, version, the next iteration of this Eagles run game is a pretty. productive one. What do you think?

I think, I mean, I don't think that that's what they're expecting to do. Well, yeah, you're not. Yeah, you're not expecting it. But I think that, no. Go ahead. But I wouldn't put zero turkeys on Jeff Stelland as the offensive line coach next year. I mean, listen, stranger things about me. I would probably put three turkeys on it, you know, not, I'm not putting a lot, but I don't

think it's impossible. Yeah, I think it's more like this is, this could be the thing if, you know, I'm not saying that, you know, I think this is likely. I'm not saying that this is something that we, you know, would, I mean, obviously, it's not something we push for. But like, if Nick gets fired at the end of next season, this could be something we trace back to, like the decision to move the run game on from a coach like Jeff Stalin. So I don't mean to be alarmist. I don't mean to be like, you know, hitting the panic button in any way here. I'm just, saying that this is kind of reshaping the way that next season, how important next season is for next year. I also, I don't, I think we should say, if the Eagles are going to hire Sean Mannion

to be the offensive coordinator, they probably do need a different run game coordinator. It probably would not have been, it would not have made sense to have Stout be that guy when you hire Sean Maynion, right? And so, you know, it's, it's very unfortunate debris. But if that's the decision you're going to make, if Stout doesn't want to just be offensive line coach, that is the decision you've made. Yeah, I just think the way that this has unfolded, it does feel like Nick Siriani's vision took them in this direction. Yeah. We should say on the, you know, how I was asked about sort of are you looking for different kinds of offensive linemen now? Yeah, a draft season when we expect them to hit this early.

And he said, first of all, that he is, and this is a nice job patting himself on the back, but Howie and Stout really, truly, like, see very eye to eye when it comes to evaluating offensive flying prospects. They value the same things. He could count on. 13 years, they probably, he probably can only count on one hand how many disagreements they've had. Right. About prospects, not in general. Which is good.

And, you know, people will tell you how he is one of the best evaluators they have in the building. but does that does this system change anything and he said very marginally you could we might have like a slightly higher weighting on athleticism and movement skills but it's it is it is not a significant change yeah yeah and i thought it was very noteworthy he said that they are still looking for the critical factors that jeff salad often talked about so um the types of the types of offensive line prospects, we would have expected the Eagles to be interested in with Jeff Stalden as the offensive line coach. I don't think it's going to change. I do think the confidence you have in them developing those players once they get in the door changes slightly. I don't want to be reductive and

pretend that their development staff isn't a big part of their ability to bring these players along. But I think every single player, every single offensive lineman that I've talked to that's come through the Eagles organization will tell you, Jeff Staland is excellent at developing. these players. So it's more of a projection. It is a little bit less of a sure thing, but I think the same types of players are who we'd expect the Eagles to go with in the draft. I think that's right. Okay. Stay tuned. After this break, we will get into Jalen Phillips, not Jordan Phillips. Jalen Phillips, the free agency class. Will the Eagles be active in the offseason and the position that you can expect a different Howie Roseman moving forward? What if you could

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He really, he talked about two things that stood out to me when discussing Jalen Phillips. The first thing is the one that I think is a little bit more obvious, which is that the Eagles place a premium on the offensive and defensive lines. So, you know, he talked about that being something, a priority for them this offseason. And obviously, Jalen Phillips is a big part of that. And he even mentioned how Jalen Phillips's addition really kind of gave the Eagles defense a boost, you know, how it really kind of reshaped that pass rush. The second part about it, he said that the third round pick that they traded for Jalen Phillips was really a reflection to like try and win last season.

you know, he said, if I could trade a third round pick to win a playoff game, I would do that deal every time. Well, hold on, hold on. He did mention Golden Tate with it. That's the whole thing is he's still holding on. This is beautiful, Hallie Roseman. He's still holding on to being criticized for the Golden Tate trade. And he says he thinks back to that all the time because Golden Tate catches the pass from Nick Foles. And he says, if I could trade a third round pick to win a playoff game, I would do it every time.

I would run out a third round picks, which of course is true. I mean, it's framing it in a, in a, way, a disingenuous way, because maybe you win that game without Golden Tate. I'm not talking to here right now. I mean, come on, Bell. This is literally out of the Bo Wolf playbook. No, it's not. How dare you. Make yourself right. How dare you. But it is, that is a, it is a beautiful, beautiful Howie aside. Yes, yes. But this was much different. This was, this is absolute, Jill and Phillips absolutely delivered what they wanted him to. Yeah, I would say it was good process.

But the other thing you mentioned is that they got a chance to see Jalen Phillips up close for two months because of the trade. He talked about him being an unbelievable worker, unbelievable leader, incredibly talented player who cares desperately about winning. I still think the Eagles will have a walkaway number. I don't think that it's a foregone conclusion that they will extend Jalen Phillips. I think he's going to be one of the top players in free agency. But the way that he talked about Jalen Phillips made me think, you know, that will, I could just, I could hear him saying it at the podium, recapping free agency, the importance of getting to know, getting to see Jalen Phillips up

close and wanting to retain him because of that. So yeah, no, I mean, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion, but I think that they will try to get an extension done. And I think there's a real chance that he's back with the Eagles. He also, it also is in conjunction with, he sort of assessed in a grand way, the state of the team and free agency period to come. Right. And what he emphasized is he knows, as most GMs know in their hearts, that the most successful way to sustain success is to draft well and sign your own guys. Yep.

And they are in a position where they have drafted very well. And they now have a bunch of guys, especially on defense, who will have to get paid eventually and they will not be able to pay everybody. But you would much rather pay your own guys who you know and there is less guesswork than sign a comparable player and add in all of this variability.

And Jalen Phillips is now someone who they feel like they know. The flip side to that is, you know, he intimated this is a particularly bad for agency class. and I think you know you can you can check out the ratings wherever you want to look it's not great on the athletics you know Jalen Phillips is the number three guy so teams have a lot of money to spend in free agency there's a very good chance the Eagles are not able to compete with whatever Jalen Phillips is getting offered but I think you're right that they would

they would like to bring him back I do not know that they will be able to yeah no I think you know the the turkeys I put on it I'm not going to put turkeys on it because I don't have to right now you know the turkeys I'd put on it before as you know as of right now would be a lot higher than if we get to the beginning of free agency because again then he's starting to field more offers I don't I don't know if I I feel like he would want to test the market I don't know why Jalen Phillips would sign up for I mean the best day of his life was getting traded to the Eagles I wouldn't discount you know a pre free agency extension but I agree with you what do you think you would take to get him to to to not even test free agency I mean no I'm 25 I am agreeing I don't think 25. No, I don't think 25. I think the Eagles are at probably walking away at 25. I think so too, but I'm saying the what's what it would take for him to not even at, not even find out. Now, the truth is, we say not even find out. Jillins, he's going to go, he's going to go to the combine this weekend. He's going to talk to every GM.

He's going to say, this is the number. He's going to find out, you know, all of these, most of these conversations are already happening. Yeah. No, I think there is a good chance as market takes off. If the injury history history, makes his market stall a little bit. That's probably the Eagles window to get him resigned extended. And I think, yeah, like I said, I think it will be a priority for them. So, and that is, that was something that I didn't walk into the Eagles draft room feeling strongly about. You know, we had a lot of discussions about it.

But yeah, I could see a world where it is like a two year fully guaranteed, not fully guarantee, but, you know, heavy guarantees in the first two years. And then the third and the fourth season have some injury off ramps for the Eagles. I could see that be in the case. He also said, fairly so, that, you know, even if Gillian Phillips leaves, they view that as, as, you know, a successful trade. But he did mention that they can't sign anybody in free agency. Now, again, not a great class, but they can't sign anybody in free agency if they want the comp. If they want the comp.

Well, Bradley Chubb. It's not, I think Bradley Chub got released. So he doesn't. Oh, shoot. Yeah, right. Yeah. But yeah, it's not. It's not you can't send anybody.

No, you're saying he doesn't count, right? Like, you could sign Bradley Chub and still get that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yes, I thought that that was interesting. What's next on your list? I mean, it's a question you asked. I feel like I should let you be the one to talk about it.

Sure. You know, I had asked him about, in general, when you have a new staff and a new system on offense, how much does that change? Like, you have graded these guys already before you went into it. are there are there are there are there are there players or traits or positions where you now have to change the way you're evaluating and he he took that to that's when he focused on the offensive line um but i i meant it more generally and so i then asked specifically about tight end and this was a very interesting answer um and i think i think you have a written down so i will i will read it here he said uh the tight end position starts with me and evolving from my perspective i've always had an affinity for the receiving tight end I think that's shown in my work. As you evolve as a GM, as an evaluator, and you watch what's out there, and you've got to be cognizant about the fact that on some levels, the game has changed. There's room for both of those spots.

When you look at our room this year, probably needed a more diverse skill set at that position, which is a nice way of saying our tight ends didn't block well enough this year. And so this is very interesting. And I think it is in conjunction with the new office. offense, but it is also how he's saying, I need to care a little bit more about a tight end's blocking ability. Yeah. No, I thought. And we should, and we should just say this is in the context of the only tight end under contract on the entire roster is E.J. Jenkins. Right. Shout out to E.J. Jenkins. I love E. I do. I like E.J. Jenkins and I every day in the locker room. What's up, E.J. What's up, E.J. So, yeah, I like an E.J. Jenkins. I would say it was probably, it was one of the more, like,

insightful things that how he talked about in terms of, you know, a self-evaluation of how he likes to build a roster. And I also think it shows you kind of where their head is at building, you know, an offense around what Sean Mannion is going to want to do. You know, I think it's funny. Like, every time Nick Siriani talks about what he wants or what he thinks is improving for the Eagles offense and, you know, what he prioritized with Sean Mannion, the play action game is always so front of mind for him. Um, I think the tight ends are going to be a big part of that. So, yeah, no, when I'm looking at, you know, we did the draft exercise yesterday, like,

I made sure to mention I want a nasty two-way tight end. I think they're going to want some guys who can offer that, you know, blocking element, in addition to being probably tritzy and physically gifted in the past game. Maybe not high volume, high production receivers, but guys who, I mean, I would say, like George Kittle is probably like your best case scenario. Like you're, you know, somebody who is basically can. serve as a six offensive lineman with that physicality, you know, with the run after the catchability. So obviously there's, you know, not necessarily like that top of the tight end class, you know,

option. I mean, Kenyon Sadiq is a good player. I don't know if he's quite like, you know, run game force multiplier. But yeah, no, I think you're going to see that prioritized for them this offseason. I thought that was a very interesting answer. Yes. It's something we will, we will file it away and see if. That is, you know, we will follow the work.

Eagle straight a second round pick for Jackson Hawes. If his work reflects that. Okay. Time for another break. On the other side, more to come. And Howie will explain why it is he went out of his way to defend Nick Siriani a couple of months ago. And maybe some expectations for what will happen with the other Eagles pending free agents. Stay tuned.

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for him to bring up during the press conference. It was very apt to. pointed out by you in our podcast reacting to it. So how he went on to explain why he felt it was important for him to get to that in the end of your press conference. He said, I don't think it's fair. I think to be a head coach in the National Football League for five years and to make the playoffs five years and be in two Super Bowls is hard. A lot of the strengths that he has are things that people don't get to see that I get to see every day. I thought it was important to get that out there and understand what he does. I hear it.

He tells me all the time, if you're not the offensive coordinator, you're not the defensive coordinator, you're not the defense coordinator, you're not the special teams coordinator. What do you do as a head coach? There's more of these jobs than just that. Poor Tim McMahon. What do you mean? What do you think? I mean, that's what he said.

What do you think it means? I mean, I do think that I think, I take Howie at his word, that he sees the value that Nick brings behind the scenes, the intangible things that, you know, Nick does on a daily basis. And I think it's funny because whenever I'm on Anthony's show, I always point to. to like, Nick is a stickler for fundamentals and situational football. And obviously the Eagles weren't great in those two facets. Right. But they have been good in those facets under Nick in the past. He is, I would, Nick is more conservative than some of like the analytics based, you know,

analysts out there would, would be about these things, obviously. But I do think, you know, the way that they, the way that they've been historically under Nick, I think that he does deserve credit for those things. but I think again how he is trying to like point out it's he may not be the offensive play caller obviously Vic Fangio gets a ton of credit for the way the defense looks but I think that they do want to make sure that it's pointed out that he brings value in other ways it's just I understand for fans it's hard to really you know pinpoint what those ways are which is why we have these conversations and why Tim ask the question to be fair like I feel bad for Tim in this because it's like

you know I don't go bad for Tim he's doing a great job well no I don't feel obviously, yeah, I mean, Tim's doing fine. He's, he's not, I don't know if this really upsets him, but I think there's this idea that, like, he created this narrative. And it's just like he asked the question that I think a lot of people talk about and bring up. He didn't make this up. And all of a sudden, everybody ran with it. I think it's a, it's like the chicken or the egg, but not even that vague.

Like, we know that it was. No, there's no. It's like the chicken or the egg if the chicken were the first thing, you know. Yeah, exactly. If we all saw that, yeah. If we all saw the chicken first. Yeah. Okay.

What else he got? I thought, well, a quick one. I thought it was noteworthy that how he went talking about Jahad Campbell, you know, talking about the rookie class. He asked about the rookie class. Yeah. He said, obviously, jihad, unique situation with the depth of that position, incredibly talented, hardworking, high character player who's got incredible potential.

I just, I thought it was noteworthy he called it a unique situation with the way that last year played out. I agree with him. I think that's fair. But yeah, he definitely sounds high on both Jihad Campbell and Andrew McCuba going into next year. Well, what else is he going to say? No, but I still, you know, it kind of sort of reminded me of, I guess it was two years ago when Howie was talking about how they had a lot of faith in Nekobie Dean. Not to say that, I mean, Jihad played better than Nekobie did to that point. But I didn't have the injury issues, obviously.

It doesn't have the injury issues, obviously. But, yeah, no, I do, I always find it noteworthy when he gives like a vote of confidence to a player still. You know, he might not want to say anything otherwise, but still noteworthy that he, you know, he mentioned that it was a unique situation that led to him getting, getting benched in his rookie season. You're right. He did, he did to his credit back up, Nicoby was that two off seasons ago? Yeah, yeah, I think it was the question. I think I asked the question, not to flex. It's just, you know, I do remember talking to him about linebackers. Did you, I made note of Nick on Parks Frazier, his, you know.

Yes, and in general, on the coaches as well. Yes. So let's run a few of those down. The Parks Frazier thing was interesting. And it was actually, it was interesting because it was, it was Parks Frazier, Mahaffee, and even Chris Cooper. And what was interesting about all three of them was Nick's explanation was exactly the on the surface things that we saw from the outside.

there was nothing like, oh, like you guys were not to believe the ideas I was getting from, you know, Mahefee about the running game in our meeting. It was like all three of them were very much, uh, what we could see from the outside. It was, uh, Mahaffee, well, you know, if we're going to have this run game, we've got to have somebody who's got experience with it. And, you know, he knows, he knows, he knows Sean. Okay, great. Same thing for Chris Cooper.

Yeah, he was available and, you know, it's in the offense. Great. And then with Parks Fraser, it was like, well, you know, where you need a translate. I mean, for Francis. It's literally what Franson on our show. We need a translator. He was with, he was with McDaniel. So he did one year on this offense.

He knows Jalen. And here we go. Yeah. Like, it's kind of funny. I mean, honestly, this is just a P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast flex is that you listen to the show. You know why they make these hires before Nick Sierraiani even talks. Because, yeah, he, I think it was Fran literally said Parks Fraser would be like a translator, you know, because of the fact that he had experience working under Mike McDaniel. had experience working with Nick Siriani in Indianapolis and also obviously with the Eagles last

year. And that is what Nick Siriani talked about. It's his ability to be a bridge between the system that they ran and the system that they are now installing. And, you know, I thought it was also noteworthy that Nick really did talk about like, you know, similar to how it was when Kellan Moore got hired. There was a notion out there that was going to be a completely new system. But obviously the Eagles were going to keep some of the concepts that they have been successful with in the past and sort of mesh the two together. And I think that is going to be the case again this time. I think it's going to be an overhaul.

I think we're going to see a lot of different things in particular, like, you know, early down run game is going to look a lot different. I think play action utilization and motion utilization. I think those things will be different. But I think that there will still be, I mean, listen, Hank, I know a lot of people are tired of Hank. I think we're probably still going to see some Hank with the Eagles offense. It's something that Nick Siriani likes and something Jalen Hertz likes.

and I think the Parks Fraser quarterback's coach appointment kind of like you know alludes to that yeah he's not it's not 100% new listens we've had a lot of success on offense here over the past few years it would be crazy for us not to incorporate some of the stuff

that we've been successful with that like sentence like sounds fine it's like yeah that's reasonable but like when it's like Hank and it's well that's the thing it's that's exactly right it's a it's a totally reasonable thing to say.

Yeah. And of course it makes sense. Of course, you're not going to have an entirely new offense. Like, of course. But it's so clearly coming from a place of, I am tired of people pretending like we don't run good offense and being proud of the offense we have run, which I don't know is the growth mindset you're looking for. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. I just, I think there's like a. Even his defensive, he was talking about motion. And he's like, I mean, he's like. I mean, listen, we motioned a hell of a lot more the past couple years. And like, I mean, sort of. Not effectively.

Yeah, not the motion for the motion's sake, which is what when they got to Philadelphia, they were very cautionary about not motioning for the sake of motioning. Now we see what that means. You know, I think every football coach has an ego, right? Especially at this level. Like you're going to have, you know, guys with egos. And I think this is probably one of the few ways. Actually, you know, I'll give Nick Siriani.

compliment here. I think that he is one of the better coaches in terms of like suppressing his ego and like letting because I think even the system that they do run, right, is a sort of like ego agnostic system to a certain degree. It's not about, I mean, what would Nick say? It's not about the plays. It's players, it's players, it's about, you know, getting the player, doing what your players do best. And I do think like, you know, for that reason, Nick isn't like one of these like guys who is really like devout or you know married to a system. And for that reason, I do think he doesn't always get a lot of credit. And I think he's aware of that.

You know, I think he is aware that, you know, putting the players first and running a system that can be a little bit nebulous at times, I do think that he probably thinks he deserves more credit for that than he gets from the outside world. What did they say about Vic Fangio? Yeah, I mean, I think they were both kind of like, How are I maybe I wouldn't want to go so far saying dismissive, but probably like they both seem to try and diminish it a little bit. Like yeah, we're in constant communication with them.

You know, we talked to them a lot and, you know, we never were, we never were worried. But I don't know if I really take them at their word that like they never thought he was he was going to retire. But yeah, they basically said that they're in constant contact with him. This was another one where I felt like how it was more willing to. get close to the truth. Yeah. You know, he's like, I think he said like, you know, I was trying to convince him to come back, you know. Right.

Whereas Nick was like, it was sort of not entertaining it. But then, you know, how he, how he lands it with, you know, Vic was in my office before. Like, I can tell you, he is fired up. You know. Yeah. There's no, there's no shortage of enthusiasm from him. Their relationship is an, is an interesting one to me. You know, Vic and Vic and Howie, they seem, they seem like they would have huge arguments from time to time.

But, like, they're the types that they could argue, like, really intensely and, like, walk out of the room and just be like, that was great. I love that. Sure. Absolutely. I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Along those lines, how did you feel like they reacted to the questions about the perceived difficulty of the offensive coordinator search and finding people who wanted the job?

Yeah, they were not dismissive of that, I don't think. But they were sort of, I mean, I think pointing to the success of the organization is a fair thing to do. And I think that is the instinct, you know, which is fair. You know, it makes sense. It's, it's like less about like, I don't think they were like introspective about it. I don't think it was, oh, like, how can we be different? I think it's right. They can find candidates that fit what they do because what they do is led to a lot of success. And as Nick said, you know, Sean Mannion's fired up to be here, which that doesn't mean that that's the reason to hire him.

But it is true, like if you are going to run your organization this way and it's been successful and you're not going to change it, of course, you only want people who want to be in that system. Yeah, I don't think there's anything. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Not at all. I think that's totally fair. Yeah, I mean, they're, like you remember the charts that Dana has had. I don't know if there were charts. When he pulled like how many teams, teams have had long spells without being in the playoffs or long spells without winning the division and how consistently successful the Eagles have been. Being in that building, you know, two things

that you hear a lot that probably are not, that probably are correlated more than we even sometimes give it credit. Sustained success and not on scholarship, right? You know, and I think that those two things, you know, feed into each other. The Eagles have been able to sustain success because I think Howie Rose and one of the big things that he talks about is like, you know, the notion that that like you win a Super Bowl and everything is hunky dory and nobody cares what happens. Like that's not how they run their organization. It's not how, you know, they view things. There's always an urgency to win.

That's not necessarily for everyone. But yeah, for them, it works. And I think you have to find people that fit into that. So maybe it made the offensive coordinator opening a little bit less desirable, but, you know, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, right? I think this isn't a case where I actually do think that they're probably. right to say we're not changing how we operate so that you know we can get slightly better coaches in here you know now you said e j that your your turkeys have increased on jillin phillips's chances

of re-and-i didn't want to do it i'm going to ask you uh about reed blankenship and nikobie dean and i want to know if they have moved in either direction after talking to howie roseman but i will not ask you that question now e jay or at least i will ask it but i will not get the answer I will get the answer in. Read into Kobe, what do you think? More or less likely than they were on Thursday as far as you're concerned. I would probably say less likely. I thought Howie's introductory statement about where he's at going into this offseason.

I thought it was good insight about the way that you want to build a team and how the Eagles kind of find themselves in that situation. And what the, there are some perceived drawbacks there, which is that you can't keep everyone and that you're not going to make. splashy free agency signings necessarily. So, yeah, I would say Nacobi Dean, I'd probably put it at like 10, maybe 15, but I think 10 feels about right. I think that is less likely. I mean, there's a 10% chance that, I mean, it's not likely. No, I'm, there's a 5% chance that his market just doesn't materialize.

Yeah, I mean, you'll say, come back for another year. But even then, I, I, yeah, five feels about right for Nacobi. me. For Reed, Reed's tough. I think there's a real chance that Reed gets a lucrative deal in free agency. Define lucrative. 10 to 12. Okay. Without looking, I don't have the, I don't have the safety market in front of me. Above 10, let's say. And are the Eagles shopping in that price range? I still feel like I'm going to put it at like a 43% But I don't know. I still feel like there's a real chance he's back. But I also am trying to, especially like you mentioned,

not the best free agency class. Is there a team that's got money to spend that is willing to spend it on a re-blankenship to the degree that the Eagles aren't willing to play ball? I'm going to pull up the safety market here. Let's see. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, yeah, 10 is a good number. I say like Julian Love is at 11 Justin Reed at 10 and a half

Grant Delpit at 12 Talanoa Hufanga at 13 Yeah What are you putting it at as I read these out Javan Holland at 15 Jesse Bates Yeah I think I think 40-ish That's probably right 14? Oh 40ish 40ish

40-ish turkeys Yeah now let me just the Safeties who are available Jaquan Brisker Kevin Byrd, both guys with the Bears Cam Curl 27 Ronnie Hickman Nick Scott, Nick Cross

Alohey Gilman Geno Stone Reed Blankenship Donovan Wilson Kobe Bryant C.J. Gardner Johnson C.J. Garner Johnson for a third time?

Tony Adams. I mean, listen, this is the I think they probably won't because we all know CJ Garner Johnson Super Bowl leaves Bad year

Back Super Bowl Leaves Didn't make the Super Bowl The pattern tells us If they bring him back They will go to the Super Bowl I think Howie Roseman's willingness

To trade away Darian Kennard tells us that he does not Buy into these such things But if you were GM You would I'd offer him a spot on the practice squad I'm sure he'd take that well.

Just to test the theory. I'm sure he would really respond well to the practice squad offer. That actually does remind me. There's one other little thing to just to keep in the back of your mind that Harry Roseman said is he doubled down on he no longer wants to do in-season extensions. Yeah. If he is willing to pay the price that it costs to lose money long term on what deal you might get because of what it means for keeping the locker room as one all focused on the task at hand

and not turning into independent contractors. I was hoping you didn't say the independent contractors because I like that's out. I like that descriptor that if you sign one of these guys and then the other guys are wondering if they're going to get extended, then they all turn into independent contractors. You got agents calling. Now, the last time he did it was kind of an, it was a time when it did make sense. and that was the 2021 season

when he went it went you know it was my it was my lota and uh... Avanti and sweat and got it like all of the it was the guys from the draft class they all came in together it was the beginning of the of the season

so it wasn't like midway through the storytelling of it was also the first year under a new regime so it's all part of that since then he hasn't done it and I think I think it's fair to say that unless it is a similar storytelling thing

that will not be the case. Can I play out a hypothetical here that our viewers will not enjoy? Sure. If Jalen Carter doesn't get to Matthew Stafford in the divisional round of the playoffs and the Eagles lose that game so they do not win the Super Bowl and then they lose Milton Williams and free agency, does that change Howie Roseman stance on the no independent contractors because you don't want to upset a team of Super Bowl aspirations?

that's a good question because you know like all of this is anecdotal yeah all of this is like you know the har question rick what year was that 2023 right you know hasan reddick getting upset about contract situations like i think that is what i always attributed to that 2023 season is kind of when he he made the change like okay we're not doing this anymore um yeah i don't know if you because i think I do think the way that Milton Williams played out to me is all it always stands out as like that just doesn't feel like the type of thing the Eagles organization lets happen. So yeah, I don't know. Maybe it would be different.

But I'm not saying anybody would prefer that scenario. Here's my last question for unless do you have anything else to hit on here on your notes? No, I think that was pretty much everything I had in my notes. I'm looking through here. Yeah, we mentioned that the movement in asking. athleticism thing that how he talked about tanner you know he said i can't speak to what everyone else thinks of our players i know that what we think of our players uh really it was not no or on whether or not he'd be willing to trade him um yeah i think that's that's pretty much everything i had okay so my

big question for you is how he opens with that big treatise on you know i like splash but you know this is this you know this is not going to be a big dipping our toes into the free agency offseason sort of downplaying expectations for the craziness ahead. Do you believe him? Do you think that this will be an off-season similar-ish to last year where it's mostly about keeping the band together and maybe there are a little bit of an uptick of outside people coming in, but nothing, nothing that's going to make us go, holy crap, and how we did it again.

I still think there's a chance for the Howie-WOWI, as my former colleague would always call it. Shout out to Jeff McLean. I think there's still a chance for one of those. I don't think it's going to be in free agency. I don't think it's going to be like, oh, my goodness, I can't believe they signed. Yeah, right. I don't think it's going to be that. But a trade or like, you know, an agent.

Brown trade that net something crazy in the draft, you know, could I see them, you know, trading AJ for a late first and then packaging picks to move up to get like Kenyon Sadiq? Yeah, I could see that. And then all of a sudden it's like, look at, look how he transformed this offense with shrewd trades. Yeah. I think that that's your howie, wowie potential here, you know, because I don't, I don't think it's going to be like a boring offseason.

I'm sure that there will be things that surprise us. but I think it'll be probably more similar to last off season when like the Jahad Campbell pick was one where we're like, man, I can't believe that they pulled that off. They could be one of those rather than like a crazy free agency signing. Okay. Like keeping Taylor's got some stuff up his sleeve.

Yeah, keeping Taylor Phillips drafting like Kenyon Sadiq or like some dynamic player that you don't expect to be there for them. And maybe, yeah, maybe keeping AJ Brown in this scenario or trading him for something that we didn't expect them to be able to get back for. Yeah, I could see that being the Howie Splash, because you're right.

There's always a splash potential. There's a couple of things like covering this team that you have to be always aware of and account for. You know, I was joking with somebody last week that like, you know, shout out to the over the cap guys because like they do these like good breakdowns of Eagles contract situations. And I said to someone like the Eagles lead the league and like 30 minute explainers for contracts on their roster because their salary cap stuff is so complicated. And, you know, this is another one where it's like I have to be up on a lot of weird things that, you know, most teams wouldn't expect to have happened. All right. Let's get to the super chats before we get out of here, E.J. CDP checks in. And he says, E.J., do you, how do you make your peanut butter and jelly? You saying that just made me sad because I, you know, I enlisted my wife to contribute to this road trip that we were supposed to be on, like, right now. Literally, as the show airs, we were supposed to get a road trip together.

And I was going to bring like a, like a, she was going to make like a homemade. Again, like it's not my kindness. It's my wife's kindness. She was going to make this like homemade like, you know, the tandy cakes, the peanut butter tasty cakes. okay yeah she's gonna make those like homemade i was gonna bring them for you guys on the road so yeah just made me sad all over again i know i really wish we had just done the road trip we should just do a road trip some other time i don't think it's gonna work for the owners meetings that's a little bit too far away

yeah too far away maybe maybe the eagle's road year let's just play on the combine next year we're just driving could we could we do like an eagles road game and we like do the post game pod somewhere we're thinking about got to talk to the overlords about this One more super chat, I believe, from from Lindsay's husband. Shout out. Are we, Mr. Lindsay? We keep him anonymous, right?

Shout out, Mr. Lindsay. Who says, okay, Lindsay, it's your turn. Now that the show's over. You're welcome for shuffling. Yeah, you're welcome for shoveling. All right. That'll do it. for this episode of the PHA YGO's podcast.

Now, Howard Roseman and Nick Serrani will talk again. Now, they're not going to say that the, as I have said before, this particular press conference from Howie Roseman is the least honest he will ever be. Yeah. In over the course of the offseason, they are, they are, you know, obfuscating purposefully at this stage of the off season. But we'll see what they say. And we will try to make sense of it.

We will also hopefully hear from some other people around the NFL about what's going on with the Eagles, this off season. We'll have you covered. Check out the YouTube channel for anything that else that pops up. And then we will be live 10 a.m. on Wednesday to continue our coverage from the Combine. Fran on the scene, don't miss it. Big week. We'll talk to later. And as always, we love you.