PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Howie Roseman & Nick Sirianni: What Eagles want in next OC & what’s next for Jalen Hurts

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

Howie Roseman and Nick Sirianni discussed Jalen Hurts, A.J. Brown, Kevin Patullo, the next OC (cough, Mike McDaniel, cough) and a lot more in their season-ending press conference. EJ Smith and Bo Wulf are here fresh off the presser to discuss it all and what they think it means for the Eagles’ future. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the PHY Eagles podcast on a Thursday afternoon, live from the Xfinity Studio, and presented by Bet365 and Ashley. Thank you for staying nimble with us as we push the show back 90 minutes so that we can be there, boots on the ground for Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani's end of season press conference, Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith. E.J., I'm going to do a little classic recap show today by way of drafting what we think mattered most from the press conference. What was it about, about 19 minutes?

It was my, maybe 22, maybe. Maybe 22? I mean, no way. Let's see, what's my official count here? I got 24 minutes. No, but I started early. I think probably 20. What was your general takeaway from not into the specifics of the content of what they said,

but just general vibe? The vibe of Nick and Howie? Yeah. Okay, I thought you were going a different way. of this. I mean, somber as you would expect, I'll be honest. I listened to the end of year press conference after the 2020-season on my way in. I like to do that to kind of refresh my...

Look at you. Putting in the word. I mean, I have a long commute. So you try to refresh on the types of questions, the right wording for questions. That was very famously, the Tim McManus. What exactly do you do here, press conference? This one did not have the same level of tension that that one did. Well, I think they learned from that

that the quicker you do it, the better. So you think that's why it was, you think that's why they had the quick hook? Well, and also, remember that one was, that one was like two weeks after the season was over? Oh, very true. Yeah, so get it over. Yeah, because they started, oh, you know, snow,

and everybody was so sad, exit interviews. One thing that stood out to me, and I wonder if it stood out to you as well, well, should I save it for the draft? This is just a general takeaway from the press conference. This was a Nick heavy press conference. Like, usually, started. Usually, Howie Roseman has an opening statement for these types of things.

And instead, today, it was Nick and Howie, they get up to the podium. And then Howie's standing there and Nick goes, have at it. Let's go. I mean, I'll start. I'll take the first, I'll take the first draft. All right, all right, I like that. My biggest takeaway from this, and this is very navel-gazy. If you want the Eagles content, skip ahead three minutes. My biggest takeaway, this was a bad job by us. Yeah. By the Philadelphia Press Corps. This was not our finest work. We had too many questions to Nick.

We don't get to talk to Howie that often. Too many questions to Nick. Too many questions about the staff. Not enough big picture questions. Yes. Not enough follow-ups on important topics. Everybody's fighting to just hear their voice heard for questions that

don't need to be asked. We as a collective need to own that we did not serve the Eagles fans writ large. with today's press conference performance. I think we got to own that. I would agree.

And, you know, listen, I don't consider myself, like, absolved from it. Consider yourself. Well, you know, I felt good about the question that I asked. You did ask a good question. But we did not get to everything we needed to get to today. But we will still read between the lines and we got some good insight. Like, you know, somebody might be going to, why am I going to watch the show if they didn't even get answers? We got a lot of good answers.

Stay tuned for the possibility of nudity. That's why we always keep you around. I do wish that we had gotten some more insight on a few specific topics. And we'll be transparent about that as we go through the draft team. I'm not leaving myself off the hook. Yeah, I mean, I didn't ask any good questions.

Yeah, you know, that's always the thing. If you leave a press conference and you didn't ask something, and it's like, I don't know why that question, I don't know why that question. It's like, no, I should have spoken up. So hand up. Bad job by us.

We've got to do better for you guys. But still a lot of insight. Yeah, you can't. You can't be pepper and Nick. Nick talks three times a week during the season. Ask the questions to Howie. Yeah, I understand, you know, my predecessor would say, everyone does the job a different way.

Of course. Everyone has a job to do. So I am respectful of that. I just, I do wish that we had gotten more. The collective. We did not carry our weight. All right, go ahead. You get to have the real first pick.

Okay. I'm going to go not with something that is particularly newsy, but I think it's one of the more instructive things that we get every year from a year-end press conference or sometimes it's at the combine. But Howie Rosen always comes to these settings with something that he wants to, not to get out, but something that he wants to say

to set expectations for the off-season. I feel like he is always, your ears will perk up at some point during a year-end press conference, or again, sometimes it's the combine right before free agency where Howie wants to set expectations for what's about to come.

So to me, the thing that stood out the most was what he talked about when it comes from a team building perspective. Lindsay, this is the natural arc quote graphic. It was how are we talking about, something that we've talked a lot about on the show, something we're familiar with. And it's a long quote. We're not going to read the whole thing. But he says, as you get better, you have a natural arc of the team. And when you look at our team, we drafted a lot of offensive players. We re-signed a lot of offensive players.

We drafted a lot of defensive players who were young and on rookie contrasts. There's a natural transition in what we do. I'm not making an excuse for anything, but there's a natural transition in that in terms of which side of the ball you're paying for guys who are coming up. The point is there are players that we can't lose within reason and that we want to keep around here.

He goes on to explain that they're going to have to make sacrifices, and that's on him to make sure that the sacrifices that they make are filled in with really good players. He went on to talk about their draft record. He says 14 of the 15 guys they've drafted in the first two rounds since Nick Cerexie. I mean in 2021.

No, no, first two days. First two days. I think he might have said first two rounds. He did. No, he said first and second day. Okay. He said the 15, 14 of those 15 players are long-term starters. And that, to me, is not a sustainable thing to expect to have happened.

That's true. That's very true. He says, we've got to keep hitting like that. I know that's hard, but we have to keep doing it. To me, that is Howie Roseman letting us know what's going to happen this offseason. And I think in a few months time, you and I are going to be sitting in this studio and we're going to be, there's going to be. consternation about the offensive retooling that is about to happen and how they're going to be

worse at multiple positions there. And I think it is a necessary cost of doing business. I think that's what Howie Roseman wanted us to know today. I think that's a good read. And we've talked about how they have to flip it on offense. And I actually think that's part of the reason why, and we will get to the offensive coordinator stuff, they think probably it is so important to get somebody here to run the offense who has experience and can really be trusted to make the most of what looks like stepbacks on paper at certain positions. Absolutely, absolutely.

You can't, I mean, Nick Siriani's philosophy has been, it's player-driven, it has to be about the talent that you have on offense, and I think that we do need to see a departure from that. So I don't want to step on your potential pick here, but I do think that that is another thing that is going. that's an interesting development going into this offensive coordinator search and into next season, how they might need to, I mean, and it's not a novel concept.

Teams do it almost all across, like everywhere else in the NFL, like coaching staffs prioritize, like overcoming the deficiencies that they may have on that side of the ball or, you know, putting players in the best positions, right? That's what you hear coaches say all the time. The Eagles might need to compensate for lesser talent at some spots with the coaching, and I think that that's going to be a priority for them. Do you know the one guy who 14 out of 15, who the one is? Oh, that's a good question.

So it's since Nick got drafted. It's Sidney Brown. It's Sidney Brown. Man, tough for Sydney. That is crazy, though. I mean. Talk about a sub-tweet. And talk about, like, how he knows what he's doing, bringing out that number.

Like, that is the flex of all flexes right there. As if every insider in the NFL. but hasn't already had that tweeted to them at some point. Yeah, like, or text it to them, rather. That's like me being like, you know, I just hit, I just made 14 of my last 15 three-pointers at the gym. That's hard to do, but I got to keep doing it. You know, it's like, all right, the heat check right there.

So you equate Howie Roseman doing his job with you shooting threes at the gym. I couldn't think, all would it be. It would be like I've written like 14, 15 of my last stories have all been bangers. Just great, insightful, can't get it anywhere else, just great stories. Ben and I had the one that I, one feature on Sydney Round, but, you know, what I'll talk about that one.

That's true. So I guess that's probably the best. All right. I'll tell you what I thought was the most interesting moment of the press conference. Okay. Okay. I thought this was absolutely the most interesting moment. This was at the end of, I forget which question it was, how we gave an answer, Nick gave an

and I'm going to play this for you because this to me was very telling. The best guy that fits the Philadelphia Eagles. I would say this. I just would say with coach, I mean, I got a lot of things that I'd like to say about coach and the job that he's done here, I'm incredibly proud of him. But he's shown that when we bring people in that he's open to do whatever's best for this football team and that's all he cares about is winning. And so anything that he's answering here, obviously is dependent on who we bring in.

But when he's brought in people, he's given them the flexibility to put their own spin on things. and obviously, you know, I sit here and I feel incredibly grateful that I'm working with someone who has a head coach is elite at being a head coach, you know, elite at building connection with our team, elite about talking about fundamentals, game management, situational awareness, you know, bringing the team together, holding people accountable. And when you're looking for a head coach, those are really job descriptions. And as you're building out of coaching staff, you're talking about being able to do that, you know, being able to have elite play calls on both sides of the ball.

And when you think about how hard it is to find those three things and that we have one, I mean, we're starting with a huge advantage. So I think that puts us in a great spot. All right. I'm so excited to hear what specifically is, what your read is on this one. Nobody asked him about Nick. Nobody. Nobody asked him about Nick.

Yeah. He came ready to gas up Nick in a way that tells you he knows he needed defending. Yes, absolutely. He is explaining why Nick is still the head coach. Out of nowhere. It was bizarre. I agree. There were two things I took from that.

So the first thing is what I said at the top of the show. It was a lot of Nick today. And I think... Yeah, I think that's right. There's two ways... I think he had that. He had that ready to go, ready to go, ready to go. And nobody asked him anything.

Yeah. He's like, I've got to get this out. So there's at least... I mean, there's at least two ways that you could read it. So I'm going back to the fact... How he usually gives... By the... I was at 1.4 speed. Sorry about that.

How he usually gives the opening statement at the top. Yeah. Now, maybe he doesn't do it because he knows that the offensive the coordinator search is going to be a big part of it, but he gave one in 2023 or 2024 after the 2023 season. I wonder if it was Nick, like, we're going to make this Nick show today. We're going to make this about Nick today. But they have no control over who asks what? Yeah, but I just, I think the fact that.

I don't think, I mean, it's not like Nick gave an opening statement. I'm not saying with the question. So that's how you took it. But I thought Nick also didn't give an opening statement, but I think it leaned more toward Nick, in part because how he didn't have like an agenda setting. thing to say at the top. So I think that there was like an effort to prop up Nick as the voice today. That is not my read on it.

Okay. But I also thought that Howie going out of his way to explain what Nick does, how much of an advantage it gives them, and how important it is. The other thing that I took from it was him talking about how he's been so open to allowing coordinators to do their jobs and how important that has been for the team. I think that that is a signal for what they're looking for. Well, that is also a message. to prospective candidates.

Yeah, to tell you that that. But I read that completely differently, that this was, and it's the way that Nick is like nodding along with it, I mean, it's like behind closed doors, they brought him down. And then, but out here, he's bringing him up. That's the way that I read that.

I think that's a good reading. I mean, just the nature of where he finds himself right now. Again, I listened to the 2024. Yeah, and I think this is how he getting ahead of the McMahonix question. Yes, I was, because when you listen back to it, it is a really, really tough half hour for Nick. Like, it is just getting peppered with questions. And yeah, he's, I'm not saying, like, I think that at the end of that press conference, there probably was a moment where Nick exhales and they all just go like, that was tough,

like, but we got through it, right? And I think you're right. I think he's trying to head that off at the past. I think he's trying to make sure that Nick, yeah, listen, I don't want to make this about Tim because I love Tim. But I think Tim would probably also enjoy that we're like making some light of this. Like, you know, Tim has that question in the chamber today. Right. This is heading it off at the past.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a great readoff. Yeah. I thought that was, I thought that was very interesting. Very interesting. All right. Let's take our first break.

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somewhere. Check out today's episode of Unblocked with Brennan. Some breaking news in there that you've got to pay attention to. All right, E.J., you're on the hook. You're on the Oh, no, am I on the clock? No, unless we're doing, are we doing a snake draft? Yeah, it's just back and forth. There's only two of us. Well, you can do a snake draft back and forth. I mean, it would just be two each.

Just two, two, two? Yeah. There were some people in the chat asking what a McManus question is. Oh, McMannis was, from 2013. He said, so what would you say? What would you say you do here? Yeah, Tim McManus was the one who asked Nick, well, if the offensive coordinator is going to run the offense and the defensive coordinator is going to run the defense,

then what would you say your role is going to be? And that has, that question has lived in infamy in eagles. in Eagles media world, but really I think in Eagles world the last few years. Sure. But again, we've got to be inclusive. We got to make sure we spell some of these things out.

All right, I think it is your pick. All right, so I'm kind of torn. I think the best role I can play for this exercise is the newsman. But I want to qualify it with. There's something else that I really want to get off my chest. Do the one you want to get off your chest. Okay, all right.

Then you'll handle the news. We'll see. Because the news, we don't have a... good of an answer on because we spent a lot of time talking about something today and I think I don't I meant to look this up jump the shark is like you've gone too far like you've you've wanted to do something so you've thought about something so much that you like have made it bad now right is that the right jump the shark yeah it's like it's it's the line of demarcation from when something turns from good to bet okay I think the dialogue around the cautionary tale of the one year offensive coordinator

wonder has jumped the shark totally we have gone too far Totally agree. There is such thing as an overcorrection to worrying about being in the situation next year. If you are, if your number one priority when you're looking at offensive coordinator candidates is, well, is this guy only going to be here for one season? Get out of here with that. Hire the best possible candidate that you can get. Hire the person you think that you will win a Super Bowl with.

And if you win a Super Bowl, they probably will be a head coach somewhere the following season. But guess what? You want a Super Bowl. Like, I understand that it is a disqualmie. advantageous position to be in, I understand that it is a problem. Honestly, if you want to solve that problem, you have to have a harder discussion about Nick Siriani, and this is the reality that comes about because of his role. I don't want to have that conversation. I think the Eagle should hire a really good offensive coordinator, and I think that if that guy ends up getting

a head coaching job, then so be it. And we have a quote graphic from Howie Roseman. Actually, I think we have a clip on this bad boy. So I'm just going to let Howie say it for me here. Lindsay, this is, no, it's okay. It's a great compliment when guys get head coaching jobs from here because it means we're at a tremendous success. So, you know, as much as you'd like to have confidently and I'd like to have guys here for a long period of time, we won't win. We have an urgency to win right now. If that comes with their implications that would lose good people because they've earned head coaching jobs, we'll live with that. Now, I've got more to say on this.

So, how we had that answer. but there was still a lot of intrigue, and I understand it. I understand that it has not worked out. The roller coaster that the Eagles have been on the last few years is a big part because of the offensive coordinator turnover. But that was their answer. I think that kind of shows you, it's not as much of a concern for them as it is for the dialogue.

It's not a concern for them. In fact, they want the opposite. They want the guy who's only going to be here for one year. Right. And that's also part of signaling to those. candidates. But the one, it's not even a disagreement, but just the only thing I would say is that I do think they have to think through the best case scenario, which is this guy goes to leave. Do we then have somebody ready to backfill? And I think, for instance, if you're talking about Mike McDaniel,

who I think we would probably say is the frontrunner right now, if Mike McDaniel comes in, and these were some of the other questions to Nick about like, you know, the staff, And yeah, Mike McDaniel is coming from his, he got fired in Miami. His whole staff's getting fired. Yeah. So he can bring a lot of people with him, potentially somebody who could then take over if you're thinking of how do we give Jalen Hertz his quote unquote schematic home base. Yeah.

And Parks Fraser is already in the building as well. And so I think you think about that. Yeah. But you're absolutely right. That, I mean, you know, you don't want to hire the guy who's only going to be good enough to stay. Right. And I think like it's a hypothetical scenario that's unrealistic that all things will be equal. But if all things are equal, then yes, continuity, having someone that offers you continuity,

having the Vic Fangio of the offense, of course that would make sense. But I just think that it has begun to cloud the conversation about who would be best for the Eagles in a way that I just, I cannot get behind. So that is like I was stewing on this as I drove in. I'm like, why is it? Like I feel like we talked about it. We took it for what it's worth. but I feel like it's gone too far the other way now.

So the Eagles should hire the best candidate that they can hire. And that very well might be, Mike McDaniel, depending on what this head coaching cycle looks like. And if it is Mike McDaniel, I don't think Eagles fans, I don't want to hear it from Eagles fans that, oh, well, he's only going to be here one year. That's why it's a bad hire for that reason. If they win a Super Bowl in that year,

if they play well offensively that year, it was worth it to hire him. Right. We had this conversation about Kellan Moore. And actually, I thought that that was not a game. guaranteed that he'd be one and done, but he ended up being one and done. And it wasn't a super bowl. Obviously, it's worth it. It's the nature of the Eagles offense. The last thing I'll say about just really quick on Mike McDaniel,

I know we said it yesterday, I don't think that him and Vic are going to have a hard time working with each other. I think that that's overstated. Well, and I also think it's not something that you need to worry about from the outside. Sure. Because by virtue of them hiring him, it means that Vic has given them his stamp of approval. Yeah, and I don't think that's going to be an issue. Right. They're going to talk to Vic about it.

it and if Vic says we're good they're gonna be fine yeah the other thing Fran he talked me into it oh I wasn't able to but Fran did huh the middle field my biggest concern with Jalen Hertz and the Mike McDaniel offenses most of Mike McDaniel's offenses have been built out of a lot of middle field throws that we have not seen Jalen Hertz comfortable making at a high clip Fran pointed out Jalen Hertz is thrown to the middle of the field a good amount when he played for Lincoln Riley I think think I am at least warmer on the idea that a Mike McDaniel system can get Jalen Hertz to throw into the middle of the field more often with conviction and confidence.

And if that's the case, I mean, I already told you that's great news for Cam Lattoo, potentially. It's great news for the Eagles Run game. So I'm in. Carson Steel. I think I'm just ever so slightly McDaniel over Kingsbury. But I do still think Kingsbury would be a great hire for them. I will again tell you why I would put. McDaniel at the top is that...

It's great for content? What? McDangle would be great for content. Good for content, yeah. I really, I think there is blow-up potential for sure. I think he has the best chance to come here, evaluate what they have, and put together an offense based on the strengths and weaknesses of the players here, and specifically the quarterback.

And probably you're building it out of, the quarterback, Sequin, and Devante. Yeah. And I think that Cliff comes in with, he does what he does, and he's going to. Cliffy too? I'm just kidding. Cliffy None. Cliffy None.

Cliffy None. Yeah. Cliffy None is going to come in here and want everybody to do what he does. You can make the case that Daibol and even Munkin, though he appears to be going to the Giants would do a little bit of that. I think McDaniel gives you the best chance of, this is the best offensive football next year. Best offensive football, I... I'm not saying...

I'm not saying that's likely. I'm saying if one of these guys is going to deliver the ceiling, I think he is the one who has the best chance to deliver the ceiling. I still think that the ceiling with Cliff is just as high. Get out of here with Cliff. No, I'm not getting out of here.

You got to lose you. You're losing credibility with the audience. No, no, you know how... Get out of here with that. You know how many people in the last 24 hours have reached out to me and been like, you talked me into it. Like, you were very convincing.

You made it convincing. argument to accept Cliff as a possibility. No, I made a convincing argument. You gotta get out of here with this nonsense. His best years have been just as good as Mike. Better than Mike McDaniel's best years. I rest my case. He had one really good year.

He had one okay year. What do you mean of? It was a top 10 year. It was an okay year. It was a top. It was 10th. It was better than McDaniels. Not been McDaniels' best years,

but it was better than most of McDaniels' seasons. So how do you square that? most of them, not the best of them. They were neck and neck. I would say that Cliff has had worse talent in a lot of those situations. I mean, that was the other thing as I reflected on it more.

It's like, well, McDaniel had two a thrown over the middle of the field. Well, here's the other thing I would say is that we're evaluating, Cliff had two years as an OC. McDaniel only had one year as a true OC. I think part of the selling of McDaniel is take him away

from having to worry about running a football team and let him silo his focus on just the X's and O's, I think there's extra upside there. I agree. Yep. I don't know. It could be wrong. All right.

And I actually thought that Nick talked about that in a way in when he was saying, you know, there's lots of different ways. And he's looking for somebody who can figure out the right way to do it. Yeah, absolutely. All right. I guess I will use a spot here on just the only question that was asked to Howie Roseman about A.J. Brown. and a bad job by all of us following up.

And he said the same thing he said when he was asked about during the season. It's hard to find great players in the NFL, and AJ is a great player. I think we have a quote graphic here for this as well. That's what we're going out and looking for when we go out in free agency in the draft, is trying to find great players who love football, and he's that guy, so that would be my answer. Now... He said the same thing after the trade done. Yeah, but you can play with this a little bit.

What we're looking for is great players. So, maybe we can use AJ to get another great player. I would agree with that reading. We did a bad, nobody asked, is your understanding that AJ wants to be here? Has AJ Brown requested a trade? You know, that's a bad job. I guess.

Like fanning the flame of my frustration that I'm like, and again, I would be clear like, I'm not mad at anybody individually. I'm honestly mad at myself because, like, again, me too. I could have shouted. I could have shouted four times because listen, I would have lost at least two question face-offs. I'm bad at the face-off.

But I could have willed my way into getting that question in there. It's a bad job, I asked. Yeah, collectively. But a hand-up. It's on me. Because what I would say about how he's answer on AJ, it's not no. It was not no. If we had asked in that question about Sequin, he would be like, what?

what the hell are you talking about? Or Jalen? Well, yeah. Well, actually, that would be interesting. You probably should have also asked him, is Jalen Hurtz, like, do you want Jailen Hertz to be your franchise quarterback? Yeah, and even if he makes you feel like an idiot for asking the question, I think it's a fair question to ask.

Well, at least it's a good question to get him on the record for. So, yeah, if you had asked him that question about, I mean, we could go down the list. But I do think the answer not being no leaves the door open for this to have. happen. If I'm writing an AJ Brown got traded news story in a couple of months, like the Howie Roseman quote, I put it in there and it wouldn't really disqualify or it wouldn't be like, oh, he lied or anything like that. I think he said, what is true? He's a great player. It's hard to find players like that. They're going to continue to look for players like that. The answer was no. Okay. Time to take our second break here on the P.H.O.I.I. Eagle Show. Back with more

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Yeah, so Michael Clay is interviewing for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers special teams coordinator position. I know there will be a lot of Eagles fans who are curious why he would be allowed to interview for that position. There's some reporting out there from Jeff McLean that Michael Clay's contract is up in a month. And that as a result, the Eagles are going to allow him to explore options elsewhere. Interesting. It is interesting. It's surprising. I mean, I don't think it bodes well for Michael Clay's prospects of being the Eagle Special

Teams Coordinator next season. I think most likely if they're letting him interview. It means that they're probably looking elsewhere. I can't say that, I can't say from like a special teams performance perspective that I'm, I wouldn't, I would not have guessed that they would have wanted to move on from him from a special teams performance perspective, is what I would say. It would be neither. but yeah I don't know

I have I have long made sort of the contrarian case on Michael Clay when people have been frustrated that they don't give him a lot like he he is given less to work with than almost every other special teams coach in the NFL slightly different this year though they've had a younger more athletic team this year

well yes but it's always the personnel they make available the person no no no the yes exactly it's all it's always yeah young guys sure which is which is fine but I think he's done a fine job. I agree. But I'm a little bit curious about that.

And it is interesting because if you think about if Michael Clay leaves and Kevin Petulow leaves, I think that leaves only Jason Michael from Nick's initial staff as somebody who came with him and is still around.

Stout is still here, but he was here before. Aaron Morehead predated Nick as well. With him. obviously the whole defense has been turned over yeah Joe Penunzio was predates Nick to some degree at least yeah

the assistant special team Jeremiah Washburn was he part of Nick's initial staff oh yeah because he came down from the front office because he came down from the front office but that's also not a Nick guy Tyler Tyler Brown would presumably that was my question is do you think that this is Tyler Brown

promotion opportunity it's possible Tyler Brown is the special team's assistant he has a background in kicking. Did Tyler Scudder come with Nick, or was that the second year? It might have been the second year. I think it would, I think that it would mean Jason Michael is the remaining Nick guy. And he might not be here much long.

I don't want to speculate. I mean, we're not sure what's going to happen with the office staff. Yeah. Okay. Over to you for your next takeaway. Other Eagles assistant coach news, we didn't hit on this yesterday show. Christian Parker is interviewing for the Dallas Cowboys Defensive.

Yeah, how about that? Yeah? I think he's going to get a lot of interviews. I think he's going to get a lot of interest. I would be surprised if he's still the passing game coordinator defensive backsco chair. Yeah, yeah. And another important thing to note, like, just like Michael Clay's contract is up,

I think there are a lot of guys on that staff who have contracts up this year. Yeah. So maybe not a lot, but. Singleton, Jamal Singleton. Was he the second year or he was with Nick initially? No, he was with Nick. With Nick and Deuce. Yeah, no, Deuce left because they hired Nick.

Yes, that's right. In part, yeah. Okay, I apologize. Okay, so there's a few other guys. All right, so am I up here? You are up. Okay. I wasn't ready to be up.

I got to be honest. I was so worked up about the offensive coordinator thing. What did you? You know, how about I? Okay, I'll take Nick on Jalen's influence. Okay. It's a question that I asked. I stand by the question.

It was a good question. I actually thought this was a good question. So, but my read on it is, is, well, I'll read the quote first. He said, you'd be foolish not to use all of your resources. I'm going to get Howie's opinion and Mr. Lori's opinion and Jalen and Sequin and A.J., Lane, Landon, whoever it may be, we will let them talk to them too. But at the end of the day, I have to make the best decision that's necessary for the football team. The fact that he framed it as he would talk to Jalen, just like he'd talk to A.J. Brown,

Sequin, Barclay, Lane Johnson, etc. was my read on it was he was downplaying how much of a role Jalen will have. That doesn't mean that Jalen won't have a big role, but he at least wanted to downplay the significance of the quarterback's voice publicly. It's funny because he made that pause in there when he was trying to compare it to something. It's like I sort of think of it like, and I thought he was going to go in an entirely different direction. But then he says it's kind of like figuring out the practice schedule for the next week. You ask for help, but you know, you ultimately got to make this decision yourself.

I thought he was going to go, it's kind of like parenting where, like, you may take your child's input, but ultimately you got to do what's best, what you think is going to be best for them. And yeah, of course, Jailen wouldn't have liked that. He didn't say that, but that's kind of the way that I thought that he maybe was thinking about it. Yeah. What did you make of his answer? Yeah, I think if this were Patrick Mahomes or, you know, Joe Burrow or whoever. I think it would have been a different answer. He was like, of course they're going to be involved.

But what's interesting is I would argue that it's more important to have Jalen's input because, again, I don't want to come across like super out or down on Jalen, but we've talked about it. Like he needs an offense that looks a certain way. And for that reason, you'd think you'd want his input. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like Mahomes, you could put him in most offenses and he would be fine.

That's a good point. Actually, I think Burrow and Jalen are similar. I don't think Burrow could run any offense. Yeah, I think you would want Jalen's input. And Jalen said, at the end of the season, his line is open. Which is why I'm wondering if Averyon Hurd-Singer gets a call. You got to be kidding. I am curious.

I thought that, let's stay on Jalen. I thought that Howie's response was a little bit interesting in terms of his view on Jalen's play this year. He said, we've all got to look at ourselves and what we could do better. It's a disappointing season. We sit here and want to be playing right now, and I think for that, getting a chance to really go back and reflect sometimes when you're in the middle of the season, you're week to week and you're kind of going through and what happened last week and what

you're doing this week. I think what coaches said, we have won a lot of games with Jalen as our quarterback. We've won a world championship with him as an MVP in that game. So I think obviously he's done a tremendous job as our starting quarterback. We have won a lot of games with Jalen. as our quarterback, the width. I mean, listen, we are really parsing words, and this is unfair, because they're just speaking extemporaneously.

Jaylen's going to do that, too. But we have won a lot of games with Jalen and not. We have won a lot of games because of Jalen is a telling difference. Yeah, I think that Jalen probably is one to parse words, so I think it's fair to do it. It goes to, like, the trucks and trailers conversation. Is he affecting winning, or is he, a long for the ride of winning.

And yeah, we've won a lot of games with this quarterback. He is a suggestion that he's good enough to win with. Yeah. But that doesn't mean that we think of him as the tip of this beer. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the only way to read that. I don't think it's the only.

It's a little parsy, but I think that that's what he's saying. I mean, we don't hear. I mean, he was also going out of his way to say, to not really evaluate Jalen's season. Yes. He's saying he thinks he's a good quarterback because of what he's done over the arc of his time as a starter. Yeah. Nothing about this season.

As someone who sits in a lot of press conferences, I always find it interesting when you ask somebody a question about something or somebody that maybe is not performing well. And the first thing they say is, like, you know, if Lindsay came up to me after the show and you were like in the bathroom or something, by the way, export bathroom run by Lindsay just now, like 45 seconds max. I don't even think it was that long. Wizard. Wizard.

She said magic. So, yeah. He's right. But if Lindsay comes over to me after the show, and she goes, well, how do you think Bo is doing? And I go, well, you know, I always just looked at, look at myself and how I can make things better. Like, that's never a good sign. That's true. You know, it's usually an indication that you're not trying to say something bad about the person you were asked about.

And instead, just trying to turn it around on yourself. Now, Nick is, like, the master of that. He does it with everything. Anything that is going wrong, it's always him. It's never. And Jaylon does that, too. You know, you ask him about Kevin Petullo this season. He will say, you know, I look inward first.

So I do think it's media like training. It's like, you know, kind of what they're trained to say. But, no, I mean, we don't hear from Howie very often. It's kind of natural that you're going to read into everything he says. All right. Let's take our last break. We'll come back. We've got several more back and forth of thoughts on what we heard today.

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PHOI sent you. Back on the PHOY Eagles podcast, BoWolf E.J. Smith. Lindsay behind the camera. you'll never know what she looks like you'll never know I mean they know what Julia looks like well I mean if Lindsay wants to show herself that's fine yeah but

I'm just saying okay let's continue talking people know what my wife looks like I didn't well the I guess in the discord some of the some of the people are like sickos that have been to events that my wife has been at but I didn't know Julia was out there like that like people that's out of bed

but I didn't I mean, hey, I stand on it. I didn't know. People were aware. I thought she was hiding in the shadows. Sorry. All right, you're up. All right.

I actually am mildly prepared. That's always a good tell. Honestly, I'm going to stick with news. This isn't a quote, but Hallie Roseman had a non-committal answer when asked about Lane Johnson retiring. I do think that that is noteworthy. He said that he's going to keep those conversations private, you know, wouldn't get into it. But it is a big question, especially as we talk about the team building aspect for this offseason. I think they probably have to prioritize a tackle.

So that one stood out to me. I'll buy you some time because now it seems like you need some time to go through your notes. No, I think, I mean, listen, the thing that you talked about in the beginning about turning over the roster, I just, there's a lot of work to do on the offense this season. and even if Lane returns, you need to, you know, proceed as if he's not. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think that they're going to have to make,

and we'll talk about this in the lead to the draft, my first instinct is that they will have to make a Landon-Dickerson-type draft pick because when they drafted Landon, it was not clear where he was going to play. You know, there was some speculation, can he play center? You know, is this the Kelsey era parent?

Can he, you know, play over at right guard? can he play left guard you know there was there was it wasn't honestly when they drafted Landon he had no clear path to starting and then Brandon Brooks missed the entire season almost almost the entire season that year

and he played I think it's 14 games as a rookie year I think they should do that again I think there should it's probably a tackle guard honestly it could be a center guard like hybrid an interior lineman an interesting decision to make on Cameron Juergens they really do

I mean it's the I think the third year third day of the league year his contract gets guaranteed. My expectation is they will do that. But if you wanted to make a case for getting a little bit wild, they could just move on. Yeah. I mean,

it wouldn't be crazy given the season that he had, even though he was a pro baller. It would be hard to, it would still be surprising, but it also wouldn't be crazy. Yeah, I mean, without having a ready-made solution, it would be difficult.

Do you go into next season rock-solid, confident that Cam Juergens is going to be your starting center and you're going to be able to play good football for 17 straight games. Like, I think you probably need to have a lever to pull at one of the interior line spots. It's crazy to say that, but I mean, it's not crazy. We just watch the Eagles struggle,

the Eagles' run game struggle all season because these guys weren't healthy. And Landon Dickerson said it himself, he's not sure if he's going to be the same player. And he's not sure if he's going to be able to get back to what 100% represented for him before this season. And I already think that that, I say it that way, because I already think that 100% for Landon Dickerson was already not actually 100% even before this season.

So no, I think they're going to have to use a premium draft pick to get an alignment in and say he'll probably start 12 plus games for us somewhere given the state of things on the interior line. What do you think Howie's biggest regret about this season is? Well, that was going to be one thing I drafted. Oh, okay. Howley. His response to not good enough? Yeah, so howie on the office season. Okay, well, I'll just, I'll read it.

Okay, you read it, go ahead. Okay, yeah, yeah. It's your draft pick. But this is my draft pick. Okay, yeah, he said on his, the offseason he had last year, not good enough. If it doesn't end with confetti falling on our head, I don't feel like it's good enough. I know that we're not going to win the Super Bowl every year. I know that from a broad perspective, but I believe we can.

I go into every offseason thinking we're going to do whatever it takes to win a Super Bowl. And when we fall short, I look at myself, I look at the things I could have done differently and I look to improve. That's where I'm at right now. So it is a good question What Howie would point to? Because I don't think it I don't think it's fair to evaluate him For the fact that the offensive line

Struggled so much with health I disagree You think that that's on him I don't think the health is on him I think he I think he didn't do enough To prepare the backups I mean he had to trade for Fred Johnson As an emergency because the backup plan

He put together was not good enough Yeah and again this goes to the draft Like I mean they wanted to draft an offensive lineman In the third round think they are you know what you're right i think they are yeah i'm sorry it's okay uh i think they are excited about true kendall uh we all thought that cameron williams overperformed in that week 18 game given expectations but they do not have a guy in house who was like oh that guy's going to start next year or is is a starting caliber player whenever it is he gets on the field

and i think that i would i would imagine how he regrets that josh simmons pick the the pick afterward yeah now probably they don't get to make that trick because the chiefs sit there and take him. But they could have taken a different offensive linemen there. Let's see. Who went right at the top? Jonas Savalanea. Jonas Savanaya.

Svalanayia. I apologize. I probably would have gotten that right last off-season. Ariante Ers-Res-Rae. Right. Yeah, they could have drafted the guy. Yeah. But I just wanted to look and see who went 15 picks after Jehad Campbell.

And was there anybody right before? Yeah, Josh Connerly. Josh Connerly. Yeah. I apologize. This predates me. I've apologized like three times in the last two minutes. Sorry for saying, sorry.

How did Fran feel about it, Josh Connerly about last year? I think we agreed. He was light in the pants. But he felt kind of eaglesy, though, didn't he? Yeah. You know who my guy was? And this is a real window into what you're about to get into with the draft with me? Donovan Jackson.

Oh, man. When he went like late first, I felt so vindicated. That guy was awesome. Okay. Super Chats. Scotty Galupo. There was a circle of hell in which Nick Sirianni speaks in Siriani World's Word Salad for eternity.

Honestly, that would be a really good hell. It's just one question. And you're up next and the question just never. ends. The answer just never ends. He really, he has a very special talent for not finishing an answer. Yeah. Um, yeah. As like someone who has time, if you could, if you could, if you could, if you could just from the audience throw a period up there, just you throw it up there and that finishes his sentence. That would be so helpful. Yeah. Um, I appreciate that he, he's, trying to be insightful, so I don't want to be too critical, but it's hard when you're trying

to time it. It's also very effective. It means that he doesn't answer more. He doesn't answer more. He doesn't answer more. He doesn't. Now, see, Jim Schwartz used to do this. Yes, I don't think it is the same thing.

I have a, I think it started off not being the same. I wonder if at some point he realized, like, well, if I talk for four minutes here, yeah. Yeah. I think, but I agree. I think it came from a good place. I think it came from a good natured place. but if you're trying to get a question in yeah like again I'm so bad at face-offs

and I lose them and then really my strength has become that I'm comfortable to just lose it four times in a row and then I get the pity question just like you've been trying for like 10 minutes strategy yeah yeah um but yeah because like I'm like ready I'm like okay he's about to finish talking and so like then he'll say like he'll finish a thought and then it'll be like a very momentary pause and then it's again

well he says like again He's got that like upstate New York accent or Western New York accent. Yeah, it's just hard. It's tough sometimes. Corey chat. Corey chat. Super chat from Corey Seto

says if the mentality is having an offensive coordinator factory that creates head coaches then how did Petulow get the job in the first place? I mean, it's the same as the Brian Johnson thing. When you make it that far, the options are fewer and further between. And that's what they had. Yeah.

But I do think it speaks to, you're always going to have some unknown if you're hiring people without play calling experience. And if you're succession planning and having people come through the ranks of your staff, you're going to have that. And it's really not worked out for the Eagles. Musa. Boo, E.J. Bo this man. No Cliff with a K. Every argument I hear against Cliff Kingsbury has nothing to do with him as an offensive coach.

And it has everything to do with the way that he dresses, the way that his hair is. Oh, he just rubs me the wrong way. I just don't like Cliff with a K. Oh, it's not about. Yeah, that matters. You know, I looked at the data. I looked at the football. And that's how I came up with my decision.

He's not a football guy. Shout out Musa. I like Mr. Cliff Kingsbury is not a football guy. Come on. He's a fox in the head and the house. Oh, no. Go waste Patrick Mahomes some more.

That is probably his most damn. main coaching job right there. Robert Myers. Bo does not look like Arthur Smith. Oh my God. Arthur Smith looks like a confused thumb with a mustache. Thank you, Robert. I'm not going to say anything mean. I just let me be clear to the audience. The reason that I have fun with the Arthur Smith thing is not because I'm a bully. Do you watch the show? You are a bully. Do you watch the show people? I feel this is one of the only things that I can do to Bo what Bo does to everybody else who sits up here. Come on. What do we It's mean. Get out of here.

It's mean-spirited. It's rude. You're gonna dish it. You gotta take it. I have never, ever attacked anybody else's looks. Yes, you have. You said I've looked like that.

Maybe if you're a mental midget, I will attack your stupidity. But looks, that's better. That is a bridge too far. Plus, it's not accurate. I don't look anything like him. Truly.

I love how upset. Thanks you. Pick a white guy. Any white guy. That's fine. It's not him. Dinkleberg. Probably a white guy.

A lot of work to do on the offense between A.J. Brown, Dallas Godder, finding a backup guard to eventually replace Steen and serve as a backup to Dickerson with his health concerns. Juergen's health and also Lanes. Absolutely right. There's a lot of work to do on offense. Yeah. Totally agree. Mini DJ.

204. First time, long time. We'll have a first chat, super chat. Give it up. Give it up. E.J. has not convinced me about Cliff Kingsbury at all. I don't like his scheme. He's the offensive version of Gannon. Oh, yeah. Offensive version of Gannon. I like that. I like that. What is what would they parallel be between Jonathan Gannon and Cliff Kingsbury, other than people don't like how they seem in media, like, in the media setting? Never put together a game plan when it mattered. Okay. Has Mike McDaniel? Sure. That was a convincing lie.

Oh yeah, of course. One trick ponies. Brian Dayball? One trick ponies. No ability to adjust. What do you mean? He's done it in two different places. It's the same stuff. No, it's not.

Whatever. Bad faith arguments. It's fine. If you don't, if you're not sold on Cliffie Nunn, that's fine. like I said I heard from some people in the last 24 hours that's a good point yeah was Jeffrey one of them I can't reveal my sources all right we got one more

video clip to play before we get out of here this is Nick on the evolution of something I think it's important that we continue to involve as an offense and that we you know go out and do what the best for this football team

and again everything I do in every decision I have to make. I have to do that with what's in mind, just like Howie does, just like Mr. Glory does, with the intent of being the best thing with the football team at this particular point. You know, I love Kevin and everything that he's provided to this coaching staff for his five years here. Big reason why we've won a lot of football games, but at this particular point, it's felt like that.

That's what I need to do. It could be the best thing for the football team. There you go. What an evolution. Anything else you got on your notepad? Before we get out of here. Hard out today. I think we got to most of it.

So we've got to get them kids. Nick did mention that it's way too early to say whether or not he's going to be as involved. Yeah, we should talk about this answer. With the offensive coordinator, with the new offensive coordinator, higher. I know that I want to be the head football coach, and I think that's what the team needs. And I think it's best for the football team when I'm the head football coach. I think being able to give my expertise on tackling, taking care of the football, taking away the football, anything, you have to be so intertwined as a leader of the organization, all of that stuff, basically backing

up to Howie, gazing up of him. I think, of course, he's always going to be. involved to some degree in the offense, but I think it's a, I think it is an admission that he is open or has to be open to somebody coming in and really being the head honcho on offense. Yeah, and

honestly, if Nick were sitting at this table with us, I would say that is probably an important part speaking of evolution, of an evolution of an offensive, of a long-term head coach. Like, being being around a different scheme

seeing how a different scheme operates. Like, we, it's funny because we look at all of these offensive coordinator candidates and we evaluate them off of who they've worked with and what types of systems they've implemented it in the past. But when guys become head coaches, you never look at it like that anymore. And that shouldn't, maybe, like, we shouldn't, we should look at it. Like, if Mike McDaniel comes in here, Nick will then be installing, well, not obviously not hands-on installing, but he will be part of installing a system

that is influenced by Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVey. And I think that that can evolve. If Nick's going to be here for five more years, then that is an important evolution that he probably, that he would go through. So I don't know. You know what I mean? Like we don't look at head coaches like,

well, who worked for you and how maybe that changed what you do offensively? That's a good point. Yeah, I like that. Good question to Chad. Who are your favorite Cliffs? Cliffy, two socks. Great.

I don't know. any other cliffs. Cliff Robinson. I mean, I know. Famous Cliffs. Cliff Lee. Lindsay, can you go to my one shot really quickly? I just looked up famous cliffs.

And it's just... The Cliffs of Moore. Famous Cliffs. If you made it this far in the video, comment, Famous Clif Averl. Yeah, in the chat, or in the, if you've made it this far, comment below the video. Famous Cliffs.

Let us know your favorite cliffs. Oh, I like that. that. Yeah, Cliff Hoxstable. Problematic. All right. We're going to... Little Clifford. Okay.

That's a one. We're going to go very quickly to Lindsay time and sign off. Cliff Floyd. Love a Cliff Floyd. Oh, yeah. Okay. Good stuff today. Anything else that was from the cutting room floor?

We will address tomorrow the professor. We'll join us on tomorrow's show. It's a very important business to attend to with him. And that's all we got. we will talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock please join us then and as always

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