PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Howie Roseman press conference reaction LIVE from owners meetings | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

From the latest on A.J. Brown, potential contract extensions for Jalen Carter and Jalen Hurts, free agency losses in Jaelan Phillips and Reed Blankenship and the reasoning behind adding Riq Woolen, there's much to discuss! Fresh out of a Howie Roseman press conference at owners meetings, EJ Smith and Bo Wulf trade takeaways about what the Eagles general manager said, and didn't say, about the current construction of the roster. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I am from the X-Finity Mobile Studio. This is a special Sunday night edition of the PHY Eagles podcast, presented by Ashley and Bet365. I'm Bo Wolfe. That's E.J. Smith. We are at the same hotel, separated by a few walls. E.J. made sure to tell the woman not to put us side by side. Who knows what his plans are? We've talked to Howie Roseman.

He spoke. And who else is hustling to give you a live podcast? to break it all down. But the people at PHAI were in Phoenix, EJ, how are you? I'm doing great. Always a good day when you can hear from Holly Roseman and sunny, Phoenix, Arizona. I just want to set the record straight very quickly. I just thought it would have been bad for the podcast if we were like wall to wall.

I'm not up to anything nefarious. You know, listen, we got here. They didn't have a rooms ready. It was a whole thing. Listen, we are not standing in Billmore, okay? And we got there finally, there were rooms and right. She's like, oh, would you like me to put you guys next to each other? And E.J.

right away, no, no, don't go to that. Don't do that. That is an opposite. And then afterwards, like, well, you know, those walls are paper thin. And it's like, okay, E.J. Good for you. No, it's not that. It's definitely not that.

My wife is not here, so I am not up to anything weird. Just, like I said, try to make sure that we give the listeners the best audio experience possible. That's all. And it's good because here, you know, we, we are. are speaking quite loudly, but it's not like the other people in the hotel are sleeping just yet. So that's good. We can get to it. Now, Hi, I Roseman spoke about a lot of things. I have 25 answers down written here. That's how many questions he answered. A lot of them about AJ Brown. And a lot of them had a similar answer. We will get to that. We'll get to the news of a new addition to the Eagles.

The Eagles adding a former second rat pit to the Edge Group. Talk about that. We'll talk about what he said about Jake Elliott, Rick Wollett, the lack of turnover on the offensive side of the ball. All these different things. We're going to go through it. But let's start with AJ Brown, EJ on AJ. What did he say? AJ Brown is a member of the Philadelphia Eagles. What more do you want for me?

That's what he said, right? Yeah, he was asked several questions about AJ Brown, about how his future affects the roster construction overall, you know, kind of the nature of what's been the, you know, what of the conversations been about AJ Brown? Brown over the last few months. And he acknowledged that this is going to be a conversation that's had throughout the league, especially this week as all the teams converge here in Phoenix, Arizona. But he said, unfortunately, I don't live under Iraq. So Howard Rosen is aware of how much discourse there's been

around AJ Brown. But the answer to all those questions, AJ Brown is a member of the Eagles. That is the only thing he had to say today about AJ Brown. It was a little bit different. And I thought it just a touch surprising because he could have said the same stuff he said in the spring or the winter he could have said as i said before we are not in the business of getting rid of great players a jr brown is a great player and we are excited to have him on the team instead it was much more boilerplate a j's a j's a member of the team and it wasn't necessarily you know there was there was he you know he was even asked about the report about a j giving a list of four teams and his answer then was kind of, the ball is not necessarily in our hands, you know, like it's not in our court.

And it was, it was less projection of strength than I'm used to from Howie on this front. Now, we should also say this was, you know, this press conference happened right after the crazy Duke ending. And Howie's son goes to Duke, he was ready for Duke. You know, there's a bit of a come down. He admitted that, you know, his energy. It was a fleeting. So that could have been a part of it.

you know, this is, we are, we are, all we are doing is parsing his answers. But I was a little bit surprised about the general tenor of the way that he was answering the AJ questions. And maybe that is a way for him to communicate with AJ Brown. Maybe it is a way for him to communicate with other teams in the league. He was asked about the Elijah Moore connection. And he said, you know, we don't, we don't make, we don't make roster moves to do favors for other people on the roster. So, you know, he tried to downplay that. I was just a, were you? I was a little bit surprised at the way that he approached the AJ thing.

Yeah, I thought there would have been some messaging behind what he said. I agree with you there. And I think, you know, the nature of, and, you know, for the listeners, I think it's good for us to kind of explain like why we parse these things. Because a lot of times, High Rosam does have a message that he wants to convey to somebody, whether it's the player, whether it's the, you know, the other teams that may be interested in a trade conversation. And I think my read on this is that he,

He didn't really have a message that he wanted out there. And I think you can speculate as to what the reason is. But I definitely think you're reading is correct that, you know, this isn't necessarily like operating from a position of strike. This wasn't AJ Brown is, you know, staying. AJ Brown is a member of this team. He's a big part of our future. And there wasn't anything like that.

And there also wasn't anything, you know, like the last time he heard from him when it was, like, when you take calls on every player, we have to do what's best for the team. It was pretty much, it was as close to a no comment as you really get from Hallie Roseman. and he really doesn't offer a lot of like no comments very often. Even when he does, you know, even when he does, you know, have a no comment, there's usually a tail to it.

And I thought that that was a rare case where he didn't have one. So, no, I think it's a good observation by you. Yeah, I thought I thought maybe there would be acknowledgement that there was, there were offers from around the league. I thought it was going to be something like, you know, listen, I'm not going to lie to you and tell you that people didn't call about AJ Brown, but nobody values him as much as we did and as much as we do and we're excited to have him. he's not going to get into that stuff.

I did think the like, you know, oh, listen, I get there's interest, you know, I turn on the TV. Everybody's talking about AJ Brown, like, as if, as if it's made up out of thin air. Yeah. You know, that's okay. But I thought it was just a touch surprising on the AJ front. And he was also asked about he got all this cap space. You know, is this move holding things up?

You know, how do you approach the roster building while not exactly knowing if he's going to be on the roster? and his answer was something along the lines of EJ, the vision of the roster is greater than one person. Yeah, yeah, exactly. One player does not, you know, alter the vision of the roster. I would, you know, I would call him out a little bit there. I do think a player with as much of an impact on not only the field and in terms of like how you build your team, but also obviously the salary cap, I do think one player can have a big impact on a lot of those other decisions. So I do think that it's a major decision that's going to influence how they build the team.

But yeah, I did find it interesting that he did mention that one player doesn't alter roster construction all that much. All right. I think we got the AJ stuff out of the way. I don't think we're going to be getting anything new on that front anytime soon here. Let me just add one funny thing there, though. There was definitely some intrigue from other reporters from other markets about how we had to say about AJ. We can talk about this. I think we can talk about this. I think it's fair.

Yeah, I mean, we're not, it's not a smirching anybody. The way this works, okay? You know, the gaggle of Eagles reporters. This interview is done to sort of mollify and, you know, make it good for the Philadelphia reporters who have come out. No video. Okay, this is just for the people who are there. And then about midway through, you had better eyes on this than I did. I did, yeah.

About midway through, a New England-based reporter starts trying to sidle in to the conversation and not out. It's kind of just hanging around the perimeter, yeah. Waiting to just, you know, pull a quote to be able to tweet out, something like that. How did you feel about that? How do you feel about the journalism ethics of that? And not even the ethics, but the manners of it. I think the reporter conducted themselves perfectly fine. I understand the hustle.

You know, you can respect a reporter trying to get to the bottom of a story. If that reporter had like blasted out a bunch of quotes from Howie during that, you know, put them all over social media, went live, did an emergency pop before we got a chance to. I would have had an issue with some of that. But I think they were just doing their due diligence. And I can respect that. I can understand that. I think it's because I could go both ways here because it would have been worse if that person was then trying to get a question in. Oh, absolutely.

Because you don't, you know, this is for the Eagles people. But it is almost worse to be kind of sneaky about it and not make your presence known and try to, I don't know. I think he was doing his job. Yeah, but I also think it was probably fair of the Eagles PR staff to then be like, hey, this is not for you. Yeah, I think it was, I think he, and they handled it perfectly fine. Yeah, they were respectful. Yeah, I think it was fine. I respect that.

All's fair at the Baltimore. I don't know about that. looks like a two out of ourselves here all right let's let's push let's push a to the side and for the rest of this show we'll just go back and forth with our with our takeaways uh i have one if you want me to start to me what was uh interesting and i always i wish we could get you know the actual ticot of this stuff

but the way the free agency played out obviously we know the eagles wanted to bring back jalen phillips and if they had been able to do that that would have been their big signing that would have, you know, they would not have signed recoolin, obviously. And how he acknowledged that this is the downside of the gamble that you make when you don't extend guys in season, which they are committed to not doing. And once Phillips goes to the market, unfortunately, he understands why he signed the deal that he did. And then he said it's all about you can have plans, but it's all about being able to be flexible

and pivoting. And so my read on that is I do not think that, you know, Rick Wullen was their plan B for free agency if Jalen Phillips didn't come back. I think this was much more of a wait and see as they canvass the market. Corners are going for, you know, big money deals. This is what Rick Wullen is available for. We understand that he is a flawed player who has enormous upside. And we have knowledge about him from Clint Hurt. and this is a one-year deal.

This makes a lot of sense for us. I think that this was a story of the eagles staying on their toes and not necessarily the best laid plans of mice and Roseman. Yeah, no, you can, nice, nice creativity there. I appreciate it. But yeah, I agree with you. I asked Howie about the resource allocation to switch it, you know, a high profile,

you know, relatively high-price player into the cornerback spot opposite Quinion Mitchell significantly more investment that they had last year, and you've seen the ripple effects at safety. And he, when answering that question and answering another question

specifically about Rieke Wollin and what they saw on him in free agency, I thought it was clear that they saw a market opportunity. They saw a player that they, you know, valued highly that they saw didn't get a long-term contract as other quarterbacks across the league got multi-year contracts,

lucrative contracts at that. And yeah, I thought it was interesting that how he kind of painted the complete picture for Rieke Wolland, you know, acknowledging the fact that, you know, he hasn't been as consistent as maybe he needed to be to earn that big contract and that, you know, they're sort of, I don't say buying low on Rik Willen, but I think that is kind of the notion there, which is that, you know, they will be, you know, they feel confident that the deal that they signed him to is going to look like a bargain because he can still play his best football and be more consistent. He mentioned Clinton Hurt, you know, the fact that Clinton had a crossover with Rieckwollen. And yeah, I agree with you. It was pretty clear with how he described it, that it was more of finding a player that you felt like the rest of the league didn't value as highly as they did, rather than, you know, going into free agency saying,

we're going to find a lockdown corner to put next to, you know, Quigionette Mitchell, you know, we're going to prioritize that position. I do think it was more of a value play. Exactly. I think this was not, okay, we want to make sure that we have a better cornerback to, you know, the big problem we want to upgrade the soft season is better than a Dory Jackson. Then we want to pair somebody good with Quinyon. It was much more, this is the best thing available.

It makes sense for us. Let's go ahead and do it. Yeah, yeah, but then there are ripple effects at safety, which was going to be my takeaway. I don't know if you, do you have anything else on the requal and pivot? No, but it is connected to the safety thing, so I will let you go ahead. Yeah, so I found it very noteworthy. Howie Roseman said that they are not done adding at the safety position and really wasn't as effusive about, you know, the guys they had in the room as I kind of expected them to be.

I think we'll get that from Nick tomorrow for the record. I think Nick will say, kind of confidence of Marcus Epps, a ton of confidence of Michael Carter, you know, feel great about those guys. We can play a game with those guys. I think Howie, you know, saying like, you know, because we don't have the direct quote in front of us because, you know, we got, we got to get to the pot as quickly as we can. We think we're not transcribing over here. But the sentiment was, they still have work to do at that position. You know, it's March 29th. they don't play a game next week and that there is left. Again, there's work left to do there.

So that jumped out to me a little bit. You know, I think that that does speak to the fact that I think you'll see at least one other contender in that starting competition by the time that we get to training camp. And I'll be honest with him saying that, I don't read that as like, oh, yeah, he could add a safety on day three of the draft and wipe his hands and say, right, like, we added to the position. They have to add to the position. But I think the way that he talked about the outlook there would

make me feel like they're going to add another real contender to be a starter in week one. That's interesting. I didn't get exactly that sense, just that he knows that there's still time, and he's done this in the past. And I asked him the question that I didn't ask exactly perfectly, but it was about that, like, was there a philosophical shift from we want our, no such thing as a weak link in the secondary, but we want our fifth best player in the secondary to be the corner two, now actually want it to be the other safety, which is the way that it looks now. And that's also connected to his answer about Reed Blankenship, which was that when you look back at the end of free agency, there are deals that you're like, you know what, that was a pretty good deal.

Maybe we could have hopped in on that. And he was talking, you know, he didn't specifically say about Reed, but he was talking about that as if, you know, that was a pretty good deal for Reed. but in the heat of things, you need to keep your options open and they can't just commit $8 million to read, thereby boxing them out of doing something else.

Now, in this situation, I think that it's right in the macro. I don't know that this time signing Reed to that deal was going to stop them from doing anything unless you're thinking of like an AJ trade. Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think of the players

they signed afterward. Like Arnold, everybody Katie, you know, Josh, Jonathan Jones, like, those aren't the types of signings that would preclude you from keeping re-blankenship. It's funny. It's something else that they were in on that they didn't end up landing, but. Yeah, I mean, it's funny because we did the exercise where it's like if you go back and sign one player to one contract, if you're Hallie Roseman, you go back and you said, we would have signed him for that deal.

Based on his answer, it might have been read Blankenship. You know, they might have said at that number, we could have retained him. So, no, it's a good read by you. I don't know. I just, I wasn't extraordinary. him to come out and say, like, yeah, we feel like Marcus Seps is our starter, but I do think the way that he answered it, do you agree

with me at the very least, like, him saying, like, we are going to add at the position. We've worked with that position. They can't just, like, sign, like, an undrafted free agent and feel like that's, that, that checks out. I think you were right that it was, it was less of a endorsement for the Michael Carter, Marcus Seps pairing than I,

than I was expecting. Yeah, you know, here's how I would say, here's how I'd frame it. Like, before Hallie Rosen spoke, I probably would have put like 30 to 40 turkeys on them trading for a veteran. Maybe I put like 2530 turkeys on them trading for a veteran safety, you know, before week one. I'd probably put 35, 40 on it now. I'm more convinced that they will add a veteran, whether it's via trade or somebody at the very end of free agency, obviously Justin Simmons is like on the all connected to the Eagles every offseason trade. See how team at this point. But I think that they probably are going to add one more

of those types of players. I just, I don't think that answer like lends itself to him going like, oh yeah, like we drafted, you know, so we drafted a guy in the sixth round. Like that's, that's what we needed at that position. Yeah. Okay. Good one to chew on. All right.

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Off the easy. Yeah, that's what the kids would call off the easy, right? You know, like a got some rebound ball. Like I didn't play NBA Street. Come on. Yeah, okay. I appreciate that sure. Easy, come on.

Thank you for selling the reference. Yeah, you know, one thing that everybody will say about me is I'm really into glam. You know, I'm always about the aesthetic, as it's obvious to everyone who watches this show and knows me. It's natural. Comes natural to me.

All right, I guess it is up to me now. And why don't we take a minute to talk about the newest Eagle? Joe Tryon Shoyinka. Now, long time list. will know. I loved Joe Tryon back when he was just Joe Tryon in the draft. You know him back when, yeah. When I let to try him on, you bet. Now, had an underwhelming career. Played better early in his career with the Bucks. Last year was cast off by the

free agency deal with the Browns, was cut, goes to the Bears, didn't have any sacks last season. We looked a lot with him last year when he was entering free agency. and I was expecting that he was going to be a guy who would fit and I was a little bit underwhelmed. I ended up falling for Anthony Nelson instead that people will remember. But this is a, this is a very how I move. Second round pedigree has some good ball in his past. First round pedigree.

32nd overall pick. I apologize. 32nd overall. Was it, was it the year where there was no first round pick? You know what? It might have been a year where, yeah, who lost their pick? Was it the dolphins? I think he was.

Yeah. Someone got their pick taken away from them. So, yeah, it would be pro football reference as being a little generous with the 32nd overall pick that year. Well, it is 32nd overall, but was it the first round of the second round? Pro football reference has it as a first round pick.

Well, then I guess it was the first round pick. Yeah, it makes sense. No guarantees, I would say, more likely than not. He doesn't even make the team, but somebody else to add to that group in how he was asked about, you know, the disappointment of not bringing

Gielan Phillips back. He says, you know we like to have numbers there, you know we like to have waves. He wasn't even actually too effusive in his praise of Arnold DeBicati, right? As in he still needs to earn a role. There are no guarantees for him, despite the fact that he signs for $6.5 million.

So just continuing to throw bodies at that group, I think there is probably still work to be done there as well. Yeah, I think there's a move, at least one move left to be made there. You know, the Jonathan Gernard type of player. I know we've talked a lot about him.

But yeah, I thought that Tryon Shoyanka was at least an interesting addition. Again, because I thought him talking about waves, obviously he's talked a lot about depth at edge rusher over the years. It's a clear priority for the team. But it is kind of like that push pull with Vic Fangio, where it's clear that Vic feels like you can go into a game with three edge rushers and be fine. But, you know, if you don't have like a clear number one, maybe this is them trying to like kind of meet in the middle with Vic

to make sure you have like four or five guys that you feel good about in a rotation. So I think you make sense for that right or for that reason. But I agree with you. I was expecting a little bit more on Arnold Advocati. I thought they might be a little bit more bullish on him. Yeah, he's now he mentioned that two years ago. It was more of a Vic style defense for the Falcons.

And so they were able to see that on tape. But yeah, it was not over the top on Epicady. So there you go. All right. Over to you. All right. I am going to go toward the end of the press conference here. So Howie was asked about the offense and the fact that they're probably not going to have very many new starters on offense,

which is something, you know, as they've gone through free agency, they brought Dallas got her back, which, you know, I don't think anybody's complaining about, but, you know, the Landon Dickerson and Lane Johnson are returning. And all of a sudden, you look at their offense and it's like they're running it back with a group that struggled last year. You know, obviously the coaching staff has a significant turn. turnover. And my read on his answer was that, you know, this, he basically pointed to the fact that it's the same group that won a Super Bowl two years ago, you know, so it's not that they're necessarily that they're running it back. I think you mentioned that, you know, they were 20th and points scored last year. He said, what's that? Yeah, he had that up at the tip of his tongue. Yeah. But then he sort of said, like, well, it's not that we're running it back with the group that was 20th. We're running back with the team that won a Super Bowl two years ago, which is a little convenient framing. And, you know, the thing. The thing that stood out to me, the thing that stood out to me is that the next question was about lessons he learned from trying to repeat in 2024 relative to how they, you know, had to try to try and repeat, sorry, after 2024, you know, and the lessons they learned trying to repeat after the 2017 season as well. And it jumped out to me because his answer was like a complete 180 from what he talked about moments before, which he says, changes in necessity is the thing that he learned from this last season and kind of what.

you have to, you know, what you have to do to really give yourself a chance at repeating. You talked about, you know, the injury attrition and, you know, just playing a long season, having a truncated off season, those effects being a real thing and what makes it hard to repeat. But he did talk about the importance of change. And I mean, we can talk about the change on the coaching staff, but from a personnel standpoint, I don't see a lot of avenues for them to have significant change on offense. I think that's right. And then we've talked about it.

Now, I think they will still try to find ways. And part of it is just about increasing the depth. He talked about this in the additions of Hollywood Brown and Elijah Moore, just that you look around the league and this is actually a place that we have not done a good enough job at the past couple of years is having depth at the bottom of the wide receiver roster. I think they will probably try to do that especially on the offensive line. But there's no doubt that they are still betting that the most immediate improvements on offense are going to come as a result of. of the coaching staff changes. Yeah, yeah.

And I mean, I think it's an understandable bet to make. That's one that most Eagles fans will understand. I mean, they have a talented group on offense. And I think that's what Holly Rosen's pointing to. And he says, this is a group that won a Super Bowl. It's like, you look around, it's like Sequin Barkley, A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, one of the best offensive lines in the NFL.

And Jaylon Hertz obviously as well. It's like, yeah, you could see why they are betting on this group. The fact that they signed all those players to such long-term extensions kind of made this decision for them. And I know when they did that, everyone was like, man, they're locking up this talented offense. It's so smart that they're doing it. So, you know, there can be some revisionist history. But, yeah, I do think it's going to be interesting to see how much change they can really have from a personnel standpoint.

I mean, you draft the first-term receiver or do you add Kenyon Sadiq into the fold and all of a sudden it does look different. But, yeah, I think as it sits right now, it's it is running it back, whether Howard Rosen will say it or not, it's running it back with the team that was 20th and points scored last year. All right, I'm going to give you my next takeaway. Okay. And that is that I am less convinced now that the Andy Dalton trade... Oh, yeah, this is a good one. Has an obvious effect on Tanner McKee.

And this is in part because how he was very effusive about this. Now, he would say that either way. But more about some news that came to light at the Biltmore, which is that the amount of the money that the Eagles are paying, Andy Dalton is not the $4 million that has been reported. The Panthers covered most of that. The Eagles will only be paying Dalton about $1.5 million, which for a veteran third string quarterback,

you know, it's only a little bit over the veteran minimum. Makes a lot more sense and makes you more willing to believe that they're going to carry all three of these guys into the season. Now, I do think that this is still something where the presence of Dalton allows them to be bold over by an offer for Tanner McKee. if, say, somebody's starter, tears an ACL in the summer and, you know, someone's offering a real, significantly a second round pick or something like that. They're not going to, they can now say yes to that.

But I do think the plan is to carry all three guys. Yeah. No, I mean, when it came down and the number was first reported, your first instinct, literally your first instinct was to wonder what the compensation, you know, the fact that they were paying that much kind of felt like that's too much to pay. for a third quarterback. So this clears that up. Again, it's good context to add from Phoenix here that it's not quite the number

that we first expected. And as a result, yeah, I think your framing is right. I think it gives them flexibility. I think it does, like, no matter what they say, I do think adding Andy Dalton increases the likelihood that they will trade Tanner McKee this offseason. I would have said, but we would have thought it was likely even before they made this move. It gives them the flexibility to do so, the fact that they were able to,

able to kind of keep that salary slot down also definitely makes a lot of sense it's something that you know affords them even more flexibility but yeah i mean i still think i don't know how many turkeys i put on it but i still think tairair mckee very well could be you know playing somewhere else and starting week one for another team okay let's get you one more take away before we go to our next break i'll give you a quick one since i know that we're up against the break and you know there's something i want to chew on a little bit more but a quick one one for you is that when he mentioned the receiver, the lack of receiver depth they've had, and he was talking about Hollywood Brown, and he was talking about Elijah Moore, he mentioned

that he felt like not only they were lacking in like the depths, you know, behind Devante Smith and AJ Brown, but also they were lacking that vertical element. And that's something that was like music to my ears, because I've talked a lot about on the show, like those receivers behind AJ Brown and Devante Smith, you want those guys to be vertical threats. So you want those guys to be the type of player that the opposing defense has to account for, even if they are not high volume players just because of the nature of they can make a big play with very limited opportunity. And I remember Fran talking about Hollywood Brown especially being like somebody that could be valuable in the horizontal stretch game on jet sweeps and kind of like as a gadget player as well. So I thought it was noteworthy that how he mentioned him as a vertical threat.

I think it's obvious like if you just look at the player profile that they would be a vertical threat. But, you know, with Hollywood Brown and Elijah Moore, they haven't quite actually been vertical threats in their career. Their yards per catch are a little bit lower than you would expect for the types of players they are. I thought honestly, if you're an Eagles fan, I feel like it is a little reassuring to hear that Hallie Rosen looks at those guys as field stretchers rather than like forced touches,

you know, jet sweeps, you know, end arounds. And you want them to actually be, you know, kind of what they look like on paper rather than what they've been in their previous stops. Yeah, but I think that that's unlikely. I mean, they've both been several places. They've had the same talent the whole time. They're only getting older.

I don't think they're all of a sudden going to be, you know, budget to Jean Jackson. No, no. I don't. So I think it's more encouraging that that is like a profile that they've clearly point like, they like picked out. And like, I mean, if you're, if you really want this, you're probably hoping they do it. They add it in the draft as well.

but I think it was more like, and we'll hear from Nick tomorrow about this as well, about what his vision is for those guys. I think you want the vision to be field stretcher, vertical threat. I'm not saying like, oh, man, they're going to be using these guys. They're going to be throwing, you know, go balls to these guys. No, like one of them will almost certainly not make the team. But I think like that profile being something that is front of mind for Hallie Rose, and I do think is important, especially as we try to figure out what Sean Mannion's

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Xfinity. Imagine that. Select plans only. Restrictions apply. Back in the page on my Eagles podcast, Bo Wolf and E.J. Smith. E.J., how you doing? I'm doing well. It was an easy travel day.

For you? I feel like it was for you, too. I mean, the rental car situation doesn't count. The flight was... What do you mean? That's part of the travel. Okay. I apologize.

I was... The rental car situation took about as long as the flight from Philadelphia to Phoenix. Okay. Well, yes, for me, it was an easy travel day because I've got a great podcast co-host. He waited for me at the airport, drove me to the hotel. And, yeah, I mean... Only to be rebuffed at staying next to you in the hotel room. I don't know why you wanted to stay next to me so badly.

Like what is what is sharing a wall? What does that even mean? The car situation. Now, those of you who have been to Phoenix Airport rental car center, you got to take the tram over to the big place. Fine. Easy, easy tram. And I'm thinking, oh, this is not bad. I've been there before.

And I get on the line. And I, you know what? I am not afraid to name names here. Thrifty. More like shifty. Oh, I like that. We get, I mean, you can. tell the line is already like out the door and you can tell that everybody in this line is

already having the worst day of their life. There's like two people working that you can try to do the thing where it's like, okay, you know, you put in, you do a QR code, you put in your information, you do all your selections, you take a picture of your ID and then you'd be able to just go straight to the car. Everybody in the line is trying to do that. And everybody on the line is like getting to the final stage. And then it's like, oh, no, you actually have to go to the counter. I mean, I'm in this line for like 40 minutes. And eventually, I just bail, cancel that bad boy, try to walk around to see which line is the shortest, go to a different competing place, get a deal. You know what, you know what I did. You know what I did. You do the,

mystery car. Yeah, get a great deal. It could be anything. Could be anything. We got a great, like, electric SUV. Electric for a 48-hour rental car means I don't have to pay. for the gas. Fantastic. Super cheap. But even that took forever. Oh, man, I was, I almost had to pay rent in that rental car set. But you know, like, just look at the bright side. You got to ride to the hotel with me. You didn't have to go back and forth. You got to do all this extra work. It worked out great. You know, we made it. Plus, I feel like I made a good play. I was able to feel like I made a good play by bailing on thrifty. Yeah. No, I mean, it sounds like you navigated this in a way that is really a testament to your decision making.

I would not have been able to handle that situation well. I would have waffled. I would have called my wife and I would have done what she told me to do. So hats off to you. It's been a good day. It's been a good day. We don't have to, you know, we don't have to harp on the rental car. Duke lost.

It's been a good day. Yeah, exactly. It was a great game. I was thinking about it. I was thinking about it. I was seeing everyone's reaction, you know, at the Biltmore when it happened. Yeah. Two Duke fans there.

Everybody else was happy to see it. I was thinking about this of like the sports hate teams in my life. Bless you. There are not a lot that still are strong, but Duke is the one that I think I will never let go of. I think it like barring a child of mine playing for the actual basketball team, I think I will always forever. be thrilled whenever Duke loses. So if one of your children plays for the team,

you'll give it up, you'll be able to love them? I think I would have to be, of course. But A, that's not going to happen. I mean, you don't know. Well, let's say one of my daughters goes to play for Duke women's basketball. I would still hate Duke men's basketball. Yeah, that's fair. I can understand that.

Honestly, you're a good athlete. I wouldn't rule this out. Like, I think of them going to Duke, I might roll out. But yeah, wouldn't rule it out. So, yeah, I think Duke is my number one. I don't have a team. I mean, I hate Oklahoma, but, like, I don't have a team that, like, I hate that much. I'm not that passionate about any hatred of a college team in that way.

But it was fun seeing everyone's reaction at the Biltmore. Like, you know, it's all of the sports journalists that you guys either see or that you read from across. the country and the whole place just erupts for that final shot there. So it was fun. It was a good experience. Although, tell you what, even I can feel bad for the game who made that mistake. Yeah, you know, it's funny. So I think it was Dave Zengaro kept saying, like, just throw the ball up in the air. It's like if you're like one of the best athletes in the world, like, you don't like think like that, you know, you don't have the like, let me do this like thing that, you know, we would do on the playground. You know what I mean? Like this kid's like got the confidence that he's going

make the play there wasn't there wasn't like two seconds left they still had even if I throw the ball off you know yeah I mean it probably would have been the other game but anyway all right let's get back to Eagles football here Lindsay in the chat and Lindsay's texting us saying Lindsay's so anti-ukon she was actually rooting for Duke was that on the record are we sure that that was uh for publication Is it my turn or your turn? I think it's technically my turn, but if you have something, you can go ahead. I'll go.

Yeah, I'll do the old stake draft here. You tell me if you agree, true or false. Howie Roseman doesn't think that there are 23 players with first round grades in this year's draft. I don't know that I necessarily agree with that. Okay. No, I'm genuinely asking, true or false. I mean, so it was your question. It was a good question about,

sitting at 23. It's a good lane. I don't know that I nailed. I didn't quite land the plane. No, you did a good job, especially because you hadn't talked about the draft. Yeah, that's why I just wanted to get a draft question. I do think,

you know, I called the Eagles media to account for the poor job we did after the season with Harry Roseman. I thought we bounced back okay today. Today was a good day. Good questions, good flow to the press conference. There were only one or two faceoffs that got like,

You know, I do have like an audible reaction sometimes to when like five people are shouting all at the same time. There was only one of those. You know, I- Was when everybody was asking about Tide-end for some reason. Well, that was good. It showed the- It was a good question, but it just,

it was funny that that was like that moment, like five people were yelling about Tident. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you asked him about, I mean, why don't I like you? Generally his thoughts on the draft this year and because we hadn't asked about it yet. And obviously it's closing in. we may not get to talk to Howie again before the draft.

Just in general, at 23, do you think you're going to get an impact player? Like, how deep do you think this draft is? And his underscoring message was he's been in this range of the draft before. And the mistake that you can make entering the draft at this range is thinking you're going to get a specific position. Or you can rely on, you know, you're going to get a good player. at a couple different spots. And what you have to do at 23, barring moving up, is be willing to draft the best player at a position

that you may not have expected. And that's part of the reason that they have worked so hard to draft-proof the roster, to make sure that they are able to do that. Yeah, so I think that is a good summary of his answer. I do think maybe not quite, oh, there's not 23 first-round-graded players in this year's draft. But I think it speaks to like there are scenarios where they don't have a player

with a first-arm grade at 23rd, which is why I think it's at least a fair, true, or false. Well, I think there are differences, right? You know, I think they might be pretty convinced they're not going to be able to get like a guy who would be top 20 on their board in a normal year or top 15 or whatever, like an impact player. But, you know, back end of the first round type player, I think, I think, Maybe there's stuff there. Sure.

And I think the other thing that I took away from it is, you know, they drafted Jahad Campbell. Obviously, they were obviously trying to draft Jehad Campbell around that range last year. And, you know, you like looking at the way the board might fall, they might have to go non-premium position at 23 to get a player that they have a first round grade on. I think at the very least, that was my takeaway. You know, it's not, you know, necessarily a given that they're going to get one of the tackles in that range. because, yeah, there might be a run-on tackles

before they pick. And at that point, maybe it is like, I know I keep using Kenyon-Sadik as the example. Maybe it's, I mean, I'd be shocked if they drafted a safety. But, you know, wide receiver, a wide-receiver or tight end, I could definitely see that if the board falls that way. I think they view wide receiver as enough of a premium position

that even that wouldn't really fall into it. But I don't know. I guess tight-end and safety are the other two. Safety is an interesting one because it does seem like. Yeah. The composition of the draft, there could be a guy there who could be the top there on their board. But man, I would be really surprised by that. Yeah.

I mean, it's risky. You have to have a player that you feel amazing. I mean, it's like I'm not even going to suggest that Caleb Downs would be there, but that's like the type of player you would expect them to go for if they were going to do something like that. But, yeah, I mean, I do think my antenna is up a little bit more about who are, some of the non-premium position players that could be available at 23. Like if they slid into that, into that range, would the Eagles say, you know what, let's get an impact player rather than trying to force a tackle at that spot?

All right, I'll get my next takeaway. Now I will go to the tight ends because I thought it was interesting that Howie sort of made it known that in the Dallas Goddard negotiations, yeah, Dallas Goddard sort of let it be known to the team that he really wanted to be back in Philadelphia. Yeah. That while this was his first time to truly test the market, the lines of communication were open enough that Dallas was, I don't want to say surrendering leverage necessarily,

but he was kind of being open with them about we've got unfinished business. This is where I want to be, all things equal. I would like to come back, which I think is kind of what we thought reading between the lines, but it was interesting that how I sort of said that on the record. Yeah, no, I mean, it's definitely. what I heard going into free agency that Dallas gotter was really prioritizing being back with the Eagles and you know when he signed I when we saw the number I thought for sure that that was a big reason why he ended up staying is because he just prioritized being here he likes living where he lives

he likes playing for the Eagles which is a testament to him you know fans should really appreciate that about him but I agree the fact that how he came out and said it really does like underscore that was the case you know I mean it is like it's a good thing for fans to know that Dallas Goddard wasn't doing what most players justifiably do, which is say, like, you know, like, I want to say that I want to really reiterate, like it's what most players should do. So I'm not criticizing this player at all,

but like it's like the inverse of the Jalen Phillips thing, right, where it's like Jalen Phillips tests the market, gets paid, it gets off for a humongous contract that the Eagles weren't willing to match. Dallas Goddard could have tried to do that. Now maybe he didn't know or maybe he didn't think his market would have materialized quite as aggressively, as he had hoped.

But I do think it is a testament to the fact that he wanted to stay with the team. And, again, it explains, I think, the number that he signed for. Yeah. And then in general, about the tight end room, he was just saying, you know, they're excited about Munt, the idea that. Pointing back. There are so many touch points with him on the roster. But otherwise, I think, you know, he'd been named after DJ Jenkins and Stone Smart. He pointed at me while he said E.J. Jenkins.

I noticed that. I noticed that. Like, well, when he pointed at me, I thought he was going to say Cam Latu. Because, you know, as we know, he did not have to Cam Latu. Oh, you don't think I knew? You don't think I noticed that? I looked at you when you didn't mention Cam Latu. But yeah, no, he did. I was very taken aback when he goes, yeah, we have E.J. Jenkins. I was like, what? So, anyway, Cam Latum erasure is crazy. All right. It is time for us to go to our final break here on the P.

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Try to be responsible. Good for you. I'm trying. We should say, we should tell everybody, tomorrow morning, Nick Siriani will be speaking to the media. We'll be there bright and early. And then we're going to have a show for you at 2 p.m. Eastern time. We're going to be line from the P.HNX studios.

Looking forward to that. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun to see another sister station studio. I agree. I agree. Yeah, that's five times fast. And yeah, the energy out here is going to be great. Station Studio, Sister Station Studio, Sister Station Studio, Sister Station Studio. There you go.

Suzio. This is why you're the best host on the city right here, because your enunciation. Once upon time. Not anymore. I don't know about that. Okay. I got one more. Next to get around tomorrow and then Jeffrey Lurie at some point on Tuesday, but I think our show on Tuesday will probably come before.

Larry, what? Are we going to get it like another Nick? Yeah, I said offense. Who would he say that about? Johnny Munt. Johnny Munt, he's going to be a big part of the offense. Yeah, he's going to catch the ball. Yeah, I said that as a receiver.

Yeah, I said a vertical threat for Johnny Mutt. I was thinking like... Could be Elijah Moore, you know? No, it's got to be like, it's got to be a play that we really view as a special teamer. J.T. Gray. Yeah, I said defense. Yeah, that's possible.

Yeah, you're fine. That's a good one. I have one more big one. Do you have any? Go ahead. Okay. Jake Elliott, Howie Roswin, gave Jake Elliott a vote of confidence, which is not surprising. You know, obviously, they guaranteed his contract for next season. And also, Howie wasn't going to come out and say, like, yeah, you know, he was really, really shady last year.

That was always, like, to take us off the rails here, that was always, like, my former colleague, Bob Ford, one of my favorite colleagues ever, for the record. I really admired him. he would always like come into a press conference and just be like could you imagine if like nick just went up there and was just like yeah you know I really have lost a lot of faith in the quarterback I mean you've seen him play he's terrible you know it's like just like gives you like the quote of the century I just always appreciate that so you know how I wasn't

going to do that with Jake Elliott but I did find it interesting that he mentioned that it was like worst weather like season that the that Philadelphia has ever had you know it was just like a cacophony of weather situations for Lincoln Financial Field, and that's why Jake Elliott had a down year. It was very funny. I mean, the equivalent of like, how about that weather in Philadelphia, huh?

You know, it was very funny. You guys know how the weather is. It made sense in the moment, but thinking back, and, you know, it was very funny that, you know, his answer to the, is Jake Elliott going to have competition or she's just a kicker is, man, how about that weather? you know like the wind be blowing

I'm going to be shopping yeah exactly now as a reporter I will go and do my due diligence to see how the other kickers fared in the games that Jake Elliott had struggling in good idea I will do that but yeah it did just make me chuckle a little bit when he was like man you know the weather last year was just so bad for him

but that was still noteworthy for me just cleaning up the last final things asked about Landon Dickerson and the redoing of his contract he really went overboard on the faith in Landon Dickerson that he's on like a historic pace of the amount of time you know the the Pro Bowls he's been to in his in his four or five seasons yeah three pro pro

years in five seasons effusive is praise of Landon Dickerson maybe maybe that was messaging Maybe he's trying to convince Landon Dickerson. Like there's a legacy here for you. You know, look at the trajectory that you're on. Yeah, you could be all up paper. Yeah.

That's interesting. And then, you know, he was asked about contract extensions for Jalen Hertz, Jalen Carter, the other guys on a defensive line. And essentially, you know, I'm not going to talk about contract deals with guys we already have. But yeah. Interesting a little bit. Yeah. I don't think he was asked specifically about Jalen Carter.

And I wish that we did have one of those questions, although I think the reason we didn't is because we know what the answer was going to be, which is that they don't talk about contracts for players. But I do think that that one is just, it's an interesting. You know, you see Drew Rosenhaus kind of buzzing around the Biltmore all day. Like, his presence is a real thing. And I just, yeah, I would like, I would have liked. Like, of all the questions we could have asked Howie with Truth Serum, obviously there are a couple that would take precedence.

But I do think the Jalen Carter one is one of the more interesting ones. I would like to know, you know, what he really thinks about that. That's interesting. I feel like with Truth theorem, Jailen Carter would not be that high on my list. Well, yeah, like from a big picture standpoint. But from like a newsmaking standpoint, yeah, there's like four or five that come to mind over that. some of which I probably wouldn't want to say on the show. But yeah, I think that there is, I mean, from like a what's going to affect the Eagles in the short term, I think Jalen Carter's higher on that list.

All right. Let's enter the Super Chaps before we get out of here from David Collins, Turkey's on A.J. being on the roster week one, EJ. So I've been around like 40% that he, sorry, I've been around 60% that he's on the roster. Like high 50s, low 60s. I don't think that Howie's answer today pushed me either way. I think it was much of the same. I'm probably going to put it at 60 turkeys that he's on the roster.

Okay. You're going to be lower than that. Well, I got to stick by my 20 Elijah Moore. You don't have to stick by that. You don't have to do that. I think my true answer right now is 54. Okay. Cori Sito, Duck Fook. Shout out Corey.

And Corey Zito again, ask PHNX if they're worried about Tommy Lloyd. Our buddy Saul, he's not going to like that question. Shout out Saul. Shout out to Saul. Yeah, we'll see Saul tomorrow. Yeah, I wonder if he'll be pop around, bopping around the studio. That's probably not the right adjective or the right verb there. I don't think Saul is a bopper.

He's not a bopper. No. I don't know what he would be doing around the studio. studio. Just patrolling the studio. Yeah, I think that fits for him. I think even he would agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. That's about right. Yeah. Overseeing the studio. All right. Before we get going, we get a couple minutes left.

What would you like to ask Nick tomorrow? What can we preview for the people? I want to hear what Nick has to say about the coaching staff that they've built around Jalen and now like the extension of like Andy Dalton built around Jalen. It seems like there is a real priority. The mix since we last spoke. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, there's been a real priority to get these like former quarterbacks, guys who can see things through the quarterback lens around Jalen. I want to hear what he has to say about that. You know, obviously some of the new offensive additions will be interesting. I do have one other note from the news around owners meetings that I think we should at least mention, but we can do that in overtime. I can see how upset you are that I took that from you. I was trying to decide if owner's time was appropriate, and I didn't think you would like that. When is it not owner's time?

Yeah, I'm not right. Yeah, I was listening to Pablo Torre finds out about the NFLPA situation. Man, it just makes you feel so, like, so bad. And I don't even know who I feel bad for because it's like the players would like, they're the ones that, like, it's player apathy that has led to this, at least in part. So it's like, I feel bad for the players. but if they will feel bad for themselves, and who am I to feel bad for them, you know?

People in the NFLPA. Yeah, that has to be frustrating. Yeah. All right, go ahead. What's your nugget? That Brown's GM, Andrew Barry, said that Miles Garrett is not available in a trade. He said he's career brown.

You know, he was basically poo-pooing the idea that the contract restructuring was done with, you know, with the hope of trading him or making it easier to trade him. Now, maybe you could say, that's what he's got to say but i mean he was more forceful about it than how erosan was about a j brown today so um i did think that that was noteworthy i think it would be kind of wild if a year after they signed that deal they're going to trade miles garrett yeah i tend to agree with you i honestly like you you may disagree with me i think they should train them oh i i totally agree with you i really

think they should i mean it's not a coincidence that they put in the uh the the league rule proposal that teams can trade up to five years, trade five years worth of first round picks, which Howard Roseman did not want to discuss. Did that one answer, yeah. Yeah. All right, good stuff. E.J. live from Phoenix.

We're going to be back tomorrow, 2 o'clock Eastern time. Most likely the same on Tuesday. Boots on the ground here at the Biltmore. Any whispers? Any news? We'll bring it to you. So check out our social media. our YouTube channel, all that good stuff. We will have plenty of content coming your way over the next 48 hours.

But for now, for E.J. And the incomparable Lindsay. We thank you very much for watching and listening. We'll talk to tomorrow.