PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Howie Roseman SPILLS THE BEANS On Eagles’ Draft Plans, Plus OUR QBs To Watch | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

Well maybe not, but Howie Roseman and Nick Sirianni did speak to the Eagles’ media about the forthcoming draft, the acquisition of Dontayvion Wicks, Sean Mannion’s influence on the draft process and much more. Plus, our preview of the quarterbacks in the draft as Jalen Hurts, Tanner McKee and Andy Dalton could welcome in someone like Drew Allar or Garrett Nussmeier. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome. The H.O.I. English podcast on a beautiful Tuesday afternoon. We are nine days away from the NFL draft. We are live from the Xfinity Studio. And we are presented by Ashley and Bet365. Our winning is everything. And on today's show, boy, is that true. E.J., how are you?

I'm doing great. Fresh off the Jefferson Health Complex. It's a newsy day. Wow. What? I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. It's hot outside the day, though.

It's hot. Yeah, it is hot. It has not quite crossed over to like, uncomfortable to be outside hot. Oh, it's not uncomfortable, but, you know, I'm not used to this. I need to work my way up. So, you know, I got, we got to tough it up in this, in this weather. Jam packed show.

Not complaining for the record. Jam packed show today. We're going to talk about the quarterbacks in our position preview. And I have been thinking about the fact that the Eagles, you know, we've talked about all the quarterbacks and quarterback whispers they have imported here. Mm-hmm. And like, okay, Maybe it's a lot of help for Jalen Hertz,

but it would also, it would kind of feel like a waste if you've got all these guys and there's no quarterback for them to develop in some sense. And so I think there's a real chance he goes out of guy on day three. Yeah, I like that you're talking as if Tanner McKee is like a finished product. Well, he's finally ever's rookie deal. Yeah, okay.

That's fair. I just am like, I'm sure he will develop too. Well, yeah, but he's probably not going to come back. Yeah, that's fair. And so I think there's a real chance. He goes out of the young players.

Frank Duffy will join us for that conversation. but first part of the show today we got to talk to Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani today and usually this is the single press conference of the year when you can

probably expect the least amount of truth because it's a week ahead of the draft and any kind of questions about the draft specifically it's going to be obfuscation if not outright lying but I should think I thought the report is a good job today

asking questions that were not super related to this draft in particular, more theoretical, more about stuff on the roster. And I also thought, Hi, Roseman. Yeah. He was in a great, he was, he was glowing. He was in a great mood today. Yeah. And it wasn't the weather because he didn't know it was warm outside. Yeah. I agree. Is it? This is his time of year, baby. I was about to say, this is the look of a man that has really done quite well, the last handful of drafts, you know, a guy who is on a good run. And I think it was reflected in how he, well, I mean, listen, we should probably take a minute to underscore that because

you are right. I mean, just the Eagles draft history over the past five years. Last year's draft already looks like the least impressive of the five, even if we are allowing for the possibility that Jehad Campbell and Drew Makuba can become awesome players. They were also picking 31st, so you would expect that. Yeah. But just the track record of 2021 on the first three-round picks, it is an like, it is a degree of success that you cannot. back up. It is so impressive. Devante Smith, Lannon Dickerson, Milton Williams. Home runs every single one. Absolutely. Yeah.

Jordan Davis, Cam Juergens, Nkoby Dean. I mean, ground rule doubles, at least, if not outright home run. There was a fun, we won't name names, but there was a fun discussion in the media house, early in the auditorium before the press conference started about whether Nekobi Dean should be viewed as a home run for a third round pick. I think we both would agree that he was very good pick, very good value for that. Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen, Sidney Brown. Okay, you got one miss in the first three rounds.

Yep. Then Quinyan, Cooper DeGine, Jalick Hunt, which may live on as Howey's best draft class. If you're just going player by player. Yeah. In the first three rounds, that degree of success is remarkable. There's obviously a lot of luck involved there, but there is also a lot of, you know, work that goes into the Eagles making that luck happen for them and also developing the players. and Howard Roseman deserves to have his chest out

when it comes to draft time. And you can tell that he was sort of soaking it up today. Figurative chest out, not literal, but yes. I mean, I don't know. So he works out too. Yeah, but I mean, he didn't have like a low-cut shirt. Like Cuzz had on a low-cut shirt today. So that's why it's front of mind for me.

Got it. But yeah, no, he definitely had, I would say, like, a confidence, a comfortability up there. I'll tell you what, the little joke he made today, what was the joke might have been the like the first real guttural laugh

he's ever gotten out of me why am I not remembering the joke well the AJ Brown yeah yeah yeah you know someone asks him I believe for the second time an AJ Brown question and it's more about like okay

all the guys you've added to that room like well you know does that mean that you're okay in a potential AJ Brown trade and how he takes it this was it was a very good delivery it was a pause a big laugh out of you I remember this now What are the odds that I'm answering that question

Any different than I answered anywhere else But it was it was about the delivery He did a good job Right to Howie, this would tell you he's in his He's loose. He's loose. I think you want to lose Howie Do you want to lose Howie? Yeah

I mean, was he loose when he made all these great picks? That's a good question Yeah I appreciate it. I appreciate the insight I appreciate you know having some fun with what is I mean listen he like I didn't ask the question but the question needed to be asked. It's a reasonable question and it's a reasonable answer. Nothing's changed.

Yeah. All right. Let's get into what we learned and what some of the interesting things he said were. And I thought most of the interesting things were kind of big picture stuff, but it let you go first. What did you think was, it doesn't have to be the most interesting, but what's something that you'd like to talk about? Hmm. I think his answer about the Jalen stuff. Yeah, we should talk about that. Probably the newsiest. The big. presented by Wawa. Howie Roseman asked about Jalen Hertz and the articles about... Yeah. Or the article about, I guess two.

Yeah, multiple. There were stories. Standing in the organization. Yeah, so I... Kind of a weird answer. I only clipped part of the answer in the quote because I do think... He said something along the lines of like, we have a lot of flaws as an organization. One of them is not being direct with our players.

And I think he meant one of our flaws is not this thing. You know, like he wasn't saying, I don't think he was saying that they have a flaw with not being direct with their players based off the rest of the answer. So he was saying among our flaws. Not among our flaws. Yeah. One of, we have a lot of flaws. However, direct communication with our players is not one of those flaws. Yes.

Yes. That is how he meant it. But it is not how he said it. Yeah. So the part of the quote that I think listeners will need to hear and, you know, this is the important part. He said, we're not hiding behind anything. We talk to our players directly. I think it's unfair.

It's unfair to have those articles written. But I understand it's what sells at this point. Yeah, I think it's unfortunate. Yeah, I mean, don't love that. Yeah, but... What sells? Yeah, come on. Yeah.

Does it? I guess it sells us. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's original reporting, which I do think sells. I hope original reporting sells. But, you know, to say like that it's sensationalized, I think, would be an unfair character. Yeah, but don't you think that it was a little bit interesting that there was not,

a going to the mats for Jalen there. Yeah, I did, to a certain extent. And it speaks to, I don't want to, like, fan the flames of, like, this being a conspiracy or anything like that. But I do think it is, it speaks to what we said yesterday. I don't think that there's, like, this organizational push right now to refute criticism of Jalen Hertz. Yeah.

And I don't think that that's a Howie Roseman production. I don't think it's a Nick Seriani production. I did find it interesting that the question was addressed to Nick and Howie. And Nick, I think we could. talk about Nick from a broader perspective, but Nick kind of said, like, I'm good with this one. I don't need to answer. I mean, Nick didn't want to be up there.

No one's asking Nick. I'm about to say, I didn't think that. He shouldn't be up there. Like, I feel bad, but, you know, to, um, yeah, it's, we don't talk to Howie Roseman very often. Like, when we do get a chance to talk to Howie, the questions, especially right before the draft,

are going to lean very heavily toward Howie. Talk to Nick four times a week. Yeah, it puts Nick into a tough spot where he's up there without much to do. By the way, I mean, Nick is not. running the draft stuff. Yeah. Like, you know, he's a part of the process. But, yeah, of course, if we've got a chance to talk to Howie, we're going to ask Howie question.

Yeah. So, but still, you are correct. They both could have used that as an opportunity to give a, I mean, you can just say, listen. A strong defense of Jalen Hurts. Jailen Hertz has taken us to the Super Bowl twice. We have no issues with Jailen Hertz. We are very happy to have him as our starting quarterback. And that's really all I need to say about that.

Yeah. Yeah. Listen, it is a, it is a thing to bowl. bookmark that that is not the messaging coming from. Yeah, I'm not, I don't think either of us are suggesting that this is like an alarmist thing. Like, oh my God, like, you know, Jalen Hertz is on the outs. I just think this is, um, you know, we described the way they talked about AJ at the owners meetings as like a tonal shift.

I think it's fair to call this a tonal shift as well. Yeah. There's, there's something beneath the surface there. I don't know what it is, but there's something going on. Yeah. It's not a normal way to answer that question. Yeah, I would agree. All right, let's close the book on The Big Deal, presented by Wawa,

get into some of the other sort of draft-related things. I think one thing to think about, as we just try to figure out and suss out what's going to happen in the first round for the Eagles. I mean, they don't know exactly what's going to happen just yet. I am sort of narrowed in on tackle, potentially wide receiver or edge. Yeah.

And how he was asked about, you know, wanting to flip the roster from getting young cost control players on defense to offense, but you can only pick who's on the board, talked a little bit about best player available, and the meaning of the actual practice of that, which is that you have a horizontal board. And so what that really means is that you can take into account long-term need and preference for a player within a tier,

but you're never going to drop below a tier to reach for a position. And I thought the most salient thing, he said on that front was when he was asked about like succession plans and the idea of for instance drafting lane johnson's successor wanting to draft lane johnson successor um and what he said was if you if you are too eager for that if you're forcing something if you're forcing a need uh okay here we have it's a big quote if you're forcing something you're not really filling the need anyway and you can read the rest of that quote um he's talking about cam jergins and and with jason Kelsey and also the idea of like these guys getting to see Jason Kelsey or Lane Johnson going

about the day-to-day life of being an elite player. Yeah. But I think that is a really important thing to remember is that like if you're looking to fill a need but you're doing it in a way that you are just adding a player to check a box who is not the player who you most believe in, guess what? You're not really filling the need anyway. Yeah. And you're just going to have to fill it again later and you're wasting a pick.

Yeah. He said it starts with the valuation of the player, which I think is a good way of putting it. And I think, you know, what he talked about with Cam Juergens, you know, I go back to Landon Dickerson, these weren't necessarily like picks with like a, this guy's 100%. I mean, Cam was like 100% like a successor in theory, but, you know, what he's, what, how he said about it today, I think was important, which is that they viewed him as a potential difference maker. And then they almost had to weigh that against the fact that they didn't have a clear pathway to getting on the field.

So, yeah, I think it is noteworthy. especially because, I mean, we'll talk about tackles later this week. I don't know, you get varying reviews of this tackle class. And it does, you know, before, you know, I personally dive really deep into the film on these guys. There are a lot of guys that it feels like they're tackle guards. You know, they might stick a tackle, but they probably are a guard at the next level. If the Eagles don't view that spot of 23 as a potential landing, if they don't view their, the board to have a player that would be a, not even a late.

Jameson replacement. A right tackle, potential pro bowler at that spot, I could see them passing on those guys. Again, you kind of have mixed reviews on the class, but I think it'll be interesting to see if they do feel there is somebody there. He also spelled out the expectations

for a first round pick. Yeah. Is for that person to be a two contract player with pro bowl upside. Yes. With like pro bowl caliber ability. Yeah. And I also think it's interesting for him to speak on the two contract nature of it. And he's a player who you want to be in your organization as a as a high-end starter for eight nine 10 years yeah yeah i mean it's kind of like the

cost control uh element obviously that second contract isn't cost control but a lot of times like your incentive i sign the extension at that point um i'm a little bit we can talk about this on the other side of the break if you want i'm a little bit less definitive about it can only be these three or four spots that they they will draft yeah that's a me that's a me thing yeah i feel like you know whether it's a player like Caleb Downs. You have tight end in there, right? I do not have tight end in there. Yeah, I think if Ken and Sadiq is there at 23,

they run the card in. I know you're a little bit more tepid on that. So, I mean, my argument, and again, we can do this after the break if you want, but my argument is like, they tried to trade up significant spots to get Jehad Campbell last year. And this time last year,

I don't think you would have said they were targeting a linebacker at the first round. I think we can overweight what happened last year for a few reasons on Jahad Campbell. One is that they were picking at the back of the round, and so they're looking, that is more about an evaluation of this guy

is our last player with an elite grade. Two, even though he is a less important position, they believed that he could impact the quarterback. Even if it wasn't that he was going to be able to moonlight on the edge, this is a player who was going to impact the quarterback in some way, and that's part of it. I think you could make the same argument for Kenyon-Sadik on the other side of the ball in a way,

where this guy can be an impact. player as a pass catcher. We didn't view him as a titan. We viewed him as a past catcher. That's possible. Yeah. And that's what they would say. You're right that that's how they would sell it. I just believe in my bones that we are going to, we are going to fast forward to Thursday at 1230, I guess Friday morning at 1230 after the round ends. I was going to sit up there and he's going to say something like we had to get back to the meat and potatoes of building the foundation for a football team along the line of scrimmage, and we haven't done it the past couple years.

We've got great players, but this is the time, like we needed to get back to building that way. Yeah, I just think there are scenarios that will play out where that won't be, that goes right back to what we just talked about, forcing a pick.

Because there is a chance that there's an early run on offensive linemen. And if it pushes... There are probably, there are probably in the building right now, there are probably like four guys who they're hoping can get within range where it looks like they're either going to fall to us

or we can move up a little bit. Yeah. And maybe there are like two or three players who are graded above that and they're hoping that maybe they fall. Yeah. But I think it's a pretty narrow band. You're right. I think you make a, I think your argument strongest when you think about some of the safeties that are going to be close to that spot, you know, like the McNeil Warrens of the world, the phenomins of the world. I don't, I would be surprised.

I would be shocked. I would be surprised if the Eagles drafted one of those two players over a Maxi Hana Chor or an offensive line prospect. that makes it to them at 23. And maybe there is an early run and you only have your pick of one or two, one or two of them. But for me, that's where your argument's strongest, but I still think if there's an impact player

that falls to them, I mean, that has been something they've been opportunistic about the last few years, and I think it's something they would be opportunistic about this year as well. I guess the proof will be on the pudding. Let's take a quick break, come back, talk more about what Howie and

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about the Roman Empire? Yeah. How often would you say you think about, like, Andre Dillard? How often does Jalen Rager cross your mind? A couple times a day? Actually? No. Well, how are you, right answer from how yeah howie roseman says that the first round misses he thinks about him every day. Is that surprised you? He said probably every day if I'm being honest. Probably every day if I'm being honest. Uh it doesn't surprise me especially this time of year. I'm sure I'm sure there have been days when he has has not let his mind. Um, but you know what was interesting about that and I want to Fran is going to join us. Hopefully he's watching so yeah we'll give him some time to think about it.

I want to ask him because how he said because of that you know you try to learn lessons from from from those misses. When there are players who are brought to him who remind him of players. I found this interesting. He's like, you better really be able to sell me on him. He said he's more skeptical.

Because I am more skeptical. And so I want to ask Fran, who are the guys in this draft class who remind him of Jalen Rager, Andre Dillard, would you put Derek Burnett in there? And Danny Watkins, absolutely not.

Okay, I just don't shoot the message. You know what that? Let's do this. Let's clip this. Let's make this a segment. go. We are going to rank the 14 first round draft picks that Howie Roseman has made, not including Jahad Campbell. So I'll put Jahad Campbell to the side. Okay. All right. I want you to rank the picks. At the top, it's a two-way race. Are you going Fletch or Lane number one?

Lane. Lane. I agree with you. I go Lane number one and Fletch number two. I was like that was, that's a precarious draft and they nailed it. They got a franchise icon. Okay. Now then there's a little bit of a mini tiered there you're going to fletch number two i go fletch number two yeah i feel like that's pretty clear then you have a discussion between bg divante queen yon's in there yeah and maybe jalen carter if you want to get spicy i'll tell you how i ranked them but those are the four in that tier group i think bg is very interesting here i will be honest with you. No, I'm going Devante.

I'm going to go Devante. I go Devante number three as well. Yeah. And then I go BG number four. Yeah. I'll be honest with you. I might go Quinyan over BG. I think eventually that could be the case.

The fact that it has only been two years, you cannot, you cannot. Okay, that's fair. The thing about Quinyon, that pick, is, because we will talk about this with other positions, how we really stood on that evaluation. Because Terriott Arnold was, for some, Some ranked much higher than Quignan, especially it was against the big school, small school thing that the Eagles have been doing.

They broke some tendencies for Quignan. And for that reason, I think that that pick looks even better than it does. And the patience to stay, to stay, allowed them to maintain the flexibility to then go move up for Cooper de Gene. It was the best draft board, like the best execution of the war room that Howie has ever had. Yeah, okay. But if you want to go BG based off of the body of work. I think you got to go BG after two years. years of Quinyan, you gotta go, Pitchie.

Okay. I'll see it. But I do. I would put Quinyan ahead of Jalen Carter at this point. Yeah. Because Jalen Carter is kind of who most people thought he was. The Eagles were just inviting on the risk. Yeah. And they were well situated to do so. Yeah. So, yeah. Now then I think, I think, I think of the 14, there are eight good picks. Like definitely good picks. And so I think there are two more good picks. And those are Carson Wentz and Jordan Davis. And I would put Carson Wentz at number seven and then Jordan Davis at number eight. Hmm. This is tough.

I might go Jordan Davis with expected value still to add over Carson Wentz. I think it'll age better in a few years. I don't know. I think Carson Wentz

you got you got a good quarterback at number two which doesn't always happen. This guy helped lead you to the Super Bowl, the first Super Bowl you ever ball. And then you got good value for him in return.

There wasn't a stand on it there. They did, They just took... Oh, I don't know if I was there for that. They took the quarterback that was available. If Jared Gough were there at number two, they would have taken Jared Gough. They knew that Jared Gough was going number one.

I mean, come on. This is back in. Be an adult. I literally wasn't an adult when they made the pick. They knew that Wentz was going to be there number two. And they moved up to get him. It was a whole process to get up that high. I think that was a very well-done thing.

And then Jordan Davis, you know, they took him over Kyle. It's not like, and it took him a while to get good. I think to me, I feel pretty strongly that. If you're using that logic, then I want Quignan over BG because Earl Thomas. Well, BG played longer. I mean, I'm not saying, but I think the same logic would apply there. It's like they missed out on a very good player right afterward, but still,

this is your list at this point. Then you've got the two guys, then you've got the two guys who are in the middle. Okay. Derek Barnett and Nelson Aguilor. And to me, you would have liked, especially Agilor, I think. To me, it's clearly Barnett 9 and Aguilett 10. Yeah, I agree. Derek Barnett was a, was a cromulent top three edge rusher.

Cromulet's a good word for it. Whereas Nelson Aguilor ended up contributing to that Super Bowl team, he was a disappointment. Yeah. Eric Barnett is like, if 250s of Mendoza line, I think he's like 240. Like he's just below what you expect from a first round pick, in my opinion. I think he's just above. to me.

I mean, he's not, he's not a first round, he's not a bust. But, yeah, he, I would have, I think he's just above expected value from that spot. Yeah, we're on, we're on very opposite sides of the same, same coin. And then you've got the bottom four. So rank, rank for me, the bottom four from 11 to 14. So we're going, we're still going, we're still going descending order. We're not going to go bottom up for the last three.

Correct. Okay. Well, no, the sending order would be, would be bottom up. going in normal order. Yeah, normal order. Jalen Rager, Andre Dillard, Marcus Smith, Danny Watkins. Oh.

It probably, they're all bad. They're all pretty bad. This is a big tier skip. I think the only thing I would say is I think Jalen Rager and Danny Watkins are probably the bottom two. I agree with that.

So from there, I don't feel strongly. I think Dillard is 11. Yeah, yeah. You know what, I feel strongly about that. Dillard was like not good, but better than that group. Yes. Relatively.

And in a world in which Jordan Milata doesn't exist, Andre Dillard might just still be kind of a below average starting left tackle for the Eagles. Yeah, I think they would have kept just trying to draft over him. I think that's right, but I think it wouldn't have looked as bad. Yeah. Marcus Smith did not work out. It was more of a player you were drafting on theory,

but it was also later in the round. And it's not like there was an more obvious selection there. Yeah. The bottom two is tough to decide who's worse because with Rager, it's so obvious.

Yeah. Justin Jefferson was the consensus better player on the board. Yes, that's why I think it's the worst. But Danny Watkins, I mean... You're drafting a 26-year-old,

a 28-year-old. I feel like it's Rager because Danny Watkins' story part of it, no, there's no excusing to pick, but it's like some of it, you could not have projected for. I know, but that's the, that's the problem is that you could have. And there was, there's like a player that was picked right after.

I mean, Cameron Jordan is. I think they would say that, you know, the part of the walk-in selection was, you may not remember this, CJ, it was, it was in the middle of the lockout. And so they were, you were trying, and it came before for agency. And so you were sort of trying, they thought that they were like filling a need. But the idea of like, you know, a guy that old with as little experience, had. What does the chat think? Who was number 14 on Howie's picks? Is it Rager or Watkins? Rager was a rare instance where like the minute they made the pick, everyone's like,

ooh, I don't think that that was the right decision. And it turned out to be even worse than people would have expected. Like, to me, it's Rager. Now again, you're right. I was a junior in high school when Danny Watkins got drafted. So it was a little bit lower stakes for me at that point. I had other things on my mind in 2011. Oh, like what? You know, what does any whatever I was at that point, 17 year old boy have on his mind?

Starting for the SAT? Yeah, exactly. Get that education, baby. I think Rager was worse. I think Rager is worse. I think I'd probably go Watkins. But it's like you didn't know that he was like going like fall out of love with the game. Well, why not?

Well, you, but that presupposes that that's the reason he wasn't good. Maybe he fell out of love with the game because he wasn't good. He wasn't good. Yeah, but I think his story is at least a little bit more complicated. With Rager, it was just like he was never that guy. And if, you know, not like the... Ooh, good, good point in the comments.

Watkins was in the middle of a lockout, Rager was in the middle of a lock down. Yeah? Maybe there's something there. Watch out for locks when the Eagles are having a draft. It's a COVID year. This was a fun exercise. down I have Rager 13, Watkins 14, but... I think Rager's got to be the worst. Let's see what the poll.

Let's see what the chat says. But you know what? I could... Here's how I could be swayed. Watkins was kind of, you know, that was Howie's third draft or fourth draft. Yeah. The Caprice of youth. It's kind of like a, yeah, it's a lesson learned from a young GM, whereas with

Rager, you would have thought that, you know, you're seasoned enough to not make that mistake. I think that, do you think the Eagles, because the Eagles are typically pretty aligned with the consensus big board more, more so than other teams. And that's why a lot of times, like, their drafts are viewed very positively, is because it's like, man, I can't believe they got this guy that was 30th on the consensus big board in the second or third round. Do you think that the rigor mistake has led to that a little bit more for them? Like, sometimes don't overthink it.

I think that's part of it. I could see that being the reason why, especially with what Howie said today. All right. Anything else from Howie today that is worth packing? I like how he talked about, and I know you enjoyed this too. he was talking about how the changing landscape in college football has affected their scouting process. And he said the biggest issue is that for the first time really in the history of the National Football League, you were taking players that are taking pay cuts.

This was interesting. Yeah. So the character of those players, the passion of love for the game comes to the forefront even more. I'm curious about this just from a, you know, if you could have a scout to talk to off the record. You know, like the differences in evaluating these players now versus five years ago because as they bounce around, there are a lot of different things going on. One, you get to, for the positive, you get to see what it's like for them, changing schemes, changing situations and how they handle that.

That's what you're trying to project when they come to the NFL. On the other hand, and also for the positive, you have more touch points at different places for people to tell you about what kind of a person you're dealing with. Yeah. on the flip side, maybe that information is less reliable because if they're leading one place to go to another, then, you know, how much, how jilted are they? Yeah. Like, are you getting accurate information? It's where the relationships come in. Like, how much do you trust the people and how we talked about this? Yeah. How much do you trust the person that you're talking to? Have they given you good

information in the past? You know, do you trust that? But yeah, I mean, the money part of it, that is interesting. Yeah, absolutely. And I did think Howie pointed to relying on people he has had longstanding relationships with because of the fact that he can trust the information he's getting from them. It doesn't seem like they cast as maybe, well, they probably cast a wide net, but I think how he probably focuses on a narrow field of people that he's worked with for a lot of his career. Other quickness. He also talked about how, you know, this is probably the last draft where the average age is older, but I like how he talks about it's like, well, because there's still, this is the last draft with COVID guys. Yeah, COVID guys. Yeah, it's funny.

That's a direct quote. They're lepers all over there. It's like walking around the COVID's. The COVID guys. Yeah, yeah, I found that interesting. And then I nod to you and the work that you do for these prospect scouting shows that we do. He was talking about the different things that they weigh kind of like regardless of the coaching staff, you know, the traits that they value. And he says, yeah, we have critical factors at each position based on research that our analytics group puts together based on all pro players, pro bowl players, solid starters and obviously guys who failed. So we're looking at critical.

factors at each position based on the workouts. If the guys work out may test, we can see those. We have GPS numbers as well for guys who don't work out. So I think it is, honestly, just me taking, well, I guess patting you on the back and patting the show on the back that the Eagles are valuing some of the similar things that Bo often brings to the table in terms of like what are the common threads between the best players and the NFL. They've got more data than we do, but we got some decent data.

GPS tracking data and stuff like that. But that is interesting. It's a similar exercise. I also had it to you. I thought he gave a good answer when you asked them about just the player development group. Yeah. And when you think about what he said, which is that, you know, it's kind of naive to expect a 22-year-old, 23, 24-year-old. He didn't say 24.

He said 21, 22, and 23. To be their best self this early. And the way that they talk about these guys in draft meetings is, okay, what can this guy be in three years? you know, once we have the resources to help them in the building to become the player. But that's an important thing to think about when you're thinking about the timeline that they're working with in the draft.

And like this is your chance at player acquisition, like asset acquisition, and it is not about this guy can fill this role for us this year necessarily. Yeah, he said that the draft is... If you are thinking about things on that time horizon, then September is not the most important thing. Yeah, he said the draft is a separate.

entity a couple of times, which I think is a window into like they don't view the draft as like an opportunity to plug short term holes. It kind of is your one. I mean, it's like these are your most valuable resources in an off season for a team like the Eagles that don't have as much cap space and flexibility. So you have to view it as like add the best players you possibly can. And I do think that there's evidence of them doing that to some degree, at least, in the last few years. All right. Let's take a quick break. On the other side, we're going to talk about the quarterbacks in this draft class. Will the Eagles add somebody?

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Back in the PHA Yugo's podcast. 56% of respondents in the poll narrowly, siding with Jalen Rager as number 14. They saw things my way. Well, 56% of them for now. Oh, you're trying to tilt the poll. Lindsay's end of the poll If you are in line to vote

I was wondering how you were going to do that Make it political but All right Let's talk quarterbacks Yeah This will not be our most extensive position preview of the drafts We're going to do

Maybe tackles tomorrow Yeah We're going to have a guest on Thursday Doing a little linebackers and safeties And then we're going to get the buckets going On Friday It's Big one.

Why'd you do the... Not so sure. Okay. Sorry, I didn't mean to nipa. I don't know why I do a lot of things. I think you're a very intentional person. Maybe not as intentional as my predecessor, predecessor. But, I mean, that guy's pretty intentional.

I don't know what you're talking about. However, as I said at the top, the Eagles have a lot of guys in the building who can help develop quarterbacks. And so even though they have a full room, it seems like, I would not be surprised if they add someone on day three. Would you be shocked if they added someone as soon as day two? If they have three picks on day two,

if they use all three of those picks on day two, it wouldn't surprise me if they added a quarterback in the third round. In a class where there is thought that like the third through middle fifth rounds is pretty flat? Yeah. It's not impossible. Honestly, okay, I have a question for you here. How many turkeys would you put on one of the following two outcomes happening?

So you get both scenarios in your turkey count here. They draft the quarterback or they trade one of the picks to move up in the first round. In the first round? Yeah, yeah. You know what? They use one of their third round picks to move up in the first or the second round. or on the first two days. Yes, on the first two days.

Let's say that. So they either move up on the first two days with one of those third round picks or they use it on a quarterback. Basically, using it on a non-pressing need for the 2026 eagle. 48. I'm probably lower than that, but...

I just think there's a real chance they trade up. I'd say 35. I mean, You have to find a suitor for a trade-up. I'm going to be a broken record on that. It's not a good draft. I don't know if there's going to be tons of opportunities to move up. Or to move, yeah, for, I think there's going to be tons of teams that are like, yeah, we'll move back 12 spots.

Like, we feel great about 13 players right now. Yeah. All right. Now, here's my question for you. Yeah, this is a good question. If I told you that the Eagles are going to draft a quarterback at some point on draft weekend. And you have to guess who that court. who that quarterback is.

You don't know what round it's going to be, but at some point they're going to draft a quarterback, and you have to name one. Who do you think it is? I really struggled with this. There were three players that I thought made a lot of sense. I'm going to go with Drew Aller. I'm going to go with Drew Aller,

and if I had to put a round on it, I'd say the fourth round. I could see them even moving up a little bit to secure Drew Aller. You know, Matt Barkley. Maybe it's one of the, maybe it's a Keely ring scenario where it's like we sat all, you know, sat overnight and we couldn't believe

Drew Aller was still on the board. And, you know, we just wanted to make sure we got him before, you know, we wanted to make sure we had the chance to draft a player. Because, listen, he is, if nothing else, traitsy. And I think when you look at the types of quarterbacks that they've targeted, Jalen Hertz and Tanner McKee is like the two where you felt like you had an established starter that you were adding into the room. I do think, I mean, Tanner McKee's not the traitziest player, but I do think, like, having a, a vision for how this player could become a starter is important to them. I don't think that they draft these guys thinking like,

oh, yeah, like, if they're just a backup for four years, we feel good about that. So for that reason, I think Drew Aller makes sense because he is a player that you could at least envision starting a game and becoming a high-level quarterback with a high ceiling because of the physical tools there. He's my type of quarterback for that reason, so I'll go with Drew Aller.

The bad news is if I had to name one, I think I would also name Drew Aller. Okay. for the reasons you're saying, now if you look at his profile relative to the elite quarterbacks, he's like one of the only guys who doesn't have any red in there.

However, there's some real nasty stuff in France report on Drew Aller and the numbers that matter section, which is my favorite section. Two ones to read for you on Drew Aller. Who we should say is Franz quarterback five? A lot of red in the numbers that matter. Despite his big R,

just 8.2% of his throws traveled 20 plus yards downfield in 2025, the lowest rate of any quarterback drafted in the last decade in their final year of college. Woof. Now, you can explain that away a little bit because of the turmoil at Penn State this season. Yeah. He would hope that that is a big reason for that. The other one here is that what makes those numbers more startling is that Aller's average time to throw from a clean pocket in 2025 was 2.6.

three seconds. 183 quarterbacks have been taken in the last 10 drafts. Only 11 got the ball out of their hands slower from a clean pocket in their final season. Of those 11, just won. Ian Book had a worse adjusted completion percentage, which removes drops and throwaways from clean pockets. So to sum it up in 2025, Drew Lauer was holding on to the ball for a long time without

being aggressive downfield or accurate. Sounds perfect for the 2025 version of the Eagles offense. I mean, he'd be a great fit in what we saw from the Eagles offense last year. I think just from a buying the dip standpoint, you know, how he could say two years ago, this guy was considered a potential first round pick. We think there are extenuating circumstances behind why his level of production dropped last year. And this is a player who we think we can develop. And if you're just talking about developing the guys, you know, Aller is going to be 22 as a rookie,

whereas the other guys who were going to be in that range. Carson Beck is older. Here at Nussmeyer is older. You know, Tailing Green, if you're just drafting an athlete. Yeah, those are... So Nussmeyer and Tailing Green were the other two that I thought about here. I think Nussmeier would make a lot of sense.

Obviously, they've got, as how he put it today, did you catch this? The cohab. He did say the cohab, yeah. That was funny. You know what? That just proves that he listens to the show. Because like how often could he be talking about cohabitation maker?

Oh, I'm sure they're talking about it all the time. Yeah, but like he must hear us. These guys know what's up. They know the cohabitation made. It's become such a thing that he doesn't even need to refer to it by its full name. Just the cohab. They've got the cohab with Garrett Nussmeyer. Friend loves Garrett Nussmeier.

Like as a in terms of the tape, I think he loves the tape. Obviously there's an injury concern there, but I like him. I like Garrett Nussmeier. He has some throws. He is. Yeah, but he has some throws where you're like, oh, yeah, like this guy's, he's going to be really good. Garrett Nussmeyer is France quarterback two, which is against consensus. Most everybody else says Ty Simpson as quarterback too.

Garrett Nussmeier under 6-2, he's 6-1 and 5-8s. He was 203 pounds with really short arms. 203 pounds is lighter than every elite quarterback from the past 10-plus years. I mean, Russell Wilson was too old. Tyler Murray was 207 and he's you know he's 510 and a half. So that's it's a bit weird, but it shouldn't be that hard for him to put on a little bit of weight, right? I would think. But his numbers are fine.

I trust Fran's evaluation on Gary Nuss. Fran has been on Nussmeyer for a while. Yeah. I think the reason he's not viewed as a first round prospect is what you listed, but also again, definitely some injury concerns there. So I think he's a fun player. he's probably like an ideal young backup because of the fact that you're not as worried about the injury concerns if he's your number two and you're developing him and I could see like if you drafted him you know two seasons from now or even a season from now uh him coming in in a big

big moment and being ready for it you know like he has like I said he's got some high level throws he's got really good touch I he he's capable of doing like the no look stuff um you know not like a Matthew Stafford level but he he's got it in there there and I like he's like he varies his arm angles a lot I like him I like him a lot he like when I started watching him he wasn't I figured he's not going to be my type of quarterback again I love traitsie quarterbacks I can make every throw and you know can you know break the pocket did you watch tailing green oh yeah he's awesome he's awesome but Nussmy has enough of like the arm talent that he got me he got me I got there with him I guess so interested in tailing green

yeah I mean I mean that's the guy who even the way that you're selling yourself Fray to gomped him with to Colin Kaepernick and like that's all I needed to see. I love an athletic quarterback like that. I mean you can- Cailin Green if you're unfamiliar from Arkansas had these insane combine results. Yeah, at basically 6-6-227. He's got long arms, around a 436, a 43-5 inch vert and a 134 inch broad. Every single one of those would be the best in the sample of a lead quarterbacks.

Yeah. I mean, he's got, there's a lot of red. Probably means he's not a very good quarterback. I would say there's a lot of red in the tape study that Fran did on head. Oh, just the football stuff. He's got some red, but, you know. But, I mean, I'm 0.99 RAS. That's all I care about.

You are building, like, the worst football team that's ever been built. I just told you, I'm coming around a little bit on like the quarterback e-vow stuff, though. Like, I am, I just told you, I like Garrett Nussmeyer. Like I'm starting to value other elements of quarterback play. But I mean, who doesn't love a superhero at quarterback? It's more fun when you have a superhero at that position. And it makes life easier for the quarterback. It's easier to get proficient in these other areas than it would be to teach one of these guys

how to be a freakish athlete. I don't know that I agree with that. I told you. Quarterback's the one that I'm like less convicted in. Okay. But like offensive line, defensive line, like you need to. you got to have those critical factors as the Eagles would say.

I'm curious about Cade Clubnick because I was led to believe he was the number one quarterback in this class. Done deal. Despite being 6-2-207

and having a 7.1 yards per attempt, which would be the worst in this sample. Well, just barely over Drew Breeze. Just Drew Breeze. Yeah, I mean, what happens there.

You're talking about holding people accountable. Good question for the Duffman. Yeah, I know. I see him. He's there. I'm just trying to continue the conversation here. All right. On the other side, we're going to bring in Fran Duffy

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What about, friend? What's up, Fran? What's up, guys? Good to see you. You were there when I asked the question. So now I ask it to you. If I tell you that the Eagles have drafted one quarterback in this draft class on draft weekend and you have to correctly predict who it is. Your answer is? I was this close to go and

Garrett Nussmeyer in the mock draft last week, like this, this close. I do think it would require a day two pick. And obviously there would be a large section of the fan base that would be very angry with that, just as there were when they selected Jalen Hertz in 2020 and Kevin Cobb over a decade earlier than that on the second day of the draft when you already had Donovan McNabb. But it would be a very eagles-y thing to do. I do agree that Drew Aller has a number of the markers that would make sense for them. So I do think that that would make some sense. I don't know that he fits the the dog mentality aspect that we've talked about, you know, with them in certain prospects. But when you get to day three of the draft, which is where I do think Aller ends up, I think that,

you know, you're going to have to sacrifice some aspects of the profile in an ideal sense. So I do think Drew Aller is definitely a possibility as well. Which one are you going with? He's hedging. Come on, man. I am hedging. Yeah. Water can trade for both.

I think it's tough to say that. Oh, yeah, the guy I feel most confident is that they're going to spend a day two pick on Nussmeyer. So I guess I would probably lean Aller and agree with you guys. That's not fun either. Let's say, I could kind of see Carson Beck. I could see Beck. Yeah, I could see Carson back. There's a little bit of Jalen Hertz narrative.

Okay. Yeah, the bounce back. Right? The guy, the guy is cast off from his national championship caliber program goes somewhere else, establishes himself as a leader. He's obviously not the same kind of player. Yeah. Nor is he anywhere near as good looking, but.

I think one guy late that I think would also make some sense. Okay. And, you know, you wouldn't love it, I don't think. Is it Grinowski? It is. I don't mind. You know what? He's fine. It is Grinowski.

Yeah. I think Graski would be the other one I'd look at. He's won more games than anybody in the history of college football. Began his career at South Dakota State. Led them to national championships early on in his career. Won a ton of games there. Transferred to Iowa last year. And I thought he did a solid job.

He was one of the better quarterbacks at the Shrine Bowl. I thought he was a little bit better than Club Nick, like just up close. But that's, you know, very, very comparable. I kind of like Grinowski. Yeah, I liked him a little bit. Okay. Now you have a, you have, you have a, like, draftable grade on this guy, Cole Payton as well from North Dakota State, right? Lefty? Ooh.

To me, I mean, throws so much like Tim Tebow that it is like, it's a little hard not to see. Um, I will say, like, I'm probably low man on Peyton. Oh, okay. Yeah, a lot of people, a lot of people like really like him and are like, oh, he could go day two. What? I'm sorry. Like, no, I, a one-year starter at a water down FCS. Like that that cannot go.

Who throws like that? And not go in the third round. Cannot. So yeah. I'm more with you there. Okay. This other exercise. I mean,

it doesn't feel like there's much juice left out of this quarterback class, right? We can move on? Yeah, it's not a great quarterback class overall. So yeah, I'm good with moving on. All right. So here's the exercise I want to do with you. Howie Roseman said today that, you know,

he thinks about his first round misses almost every day. And the idea that like you try to learn things from these guys. And so if if there's a player in the draft who has some things that remind him of that player, it's going to be difficult for him to get over. So I want to go through the four big misses and you tell me who in this class kind of reminds you of the kinds of concerns that you would have retrospectively with those guys. So let's let's start with Andre Dillard. And to me this is like, okay, an athletic tackle who really struggles with strength. and like might might surprisingly be there who would that be well the might surprisingly be

that's probably unfair but yeah yeah and honestly uh i had started preparing i prepared for rager and dillard so i put some thought into those two okay um i struggled a bit with dillard i don't think that there's a great proxy for him in this class just because to me there's the there's the aspect of like oh he's going to be you know he fell to us we weren't expecting it i don't think that there's anybody that has that skill set that we're talking about necessarily falling to them or within striking distance of them. But the one guy, like if we're looking at the offensive tackles where like the the anchor is the question and not necessarily athleticism, it would be Caleb Lomu from Utah, left tackle only. Now, he's younger. Left tackle only is an important one here. Yeah.

Yep. Left tackle only, really athletic. Different style program. And that's what I mean. Like it's not a perfect one for one comparison. Like Dillard coming out of the air raid, everything was like two point stance. You know, it was pass, pass, pass and pass some more. So there wasn't anything of him coming off the ball or playing with his hand in the dirt. That's not really the case with Lomu.

It is just more like this guy is an athletic phenom that needs to get stronger and this needs to get bigger. Like toughness, I wouldn't say, is like a strength of his game, but not necessarily like a huge weakness or flaw either. So I don't want to ding him too hard on that one because that was one of the knocks on Dillard. But yeah, that was the closest I could come to it. I think that makes sense.

I think if you're thinking about Dillard and how I was probably thinking about it in retrospect, I think that the two sins there are the play strength and then not having done the full homework. So I'm trying to think of who else at a different position. All right, at a different position. Could be like, you know what, everybody thinks this guy's going to go top 15. He's there and we're surprised and we can't pass it up.

but have we done the work? Yeah. I think Proctor maybe falls in there, but I don't know if you're going to be top of team. I'm sure they have done all kinds of work on Proctor. Well, maybe that's a reflection. I think you've done your work on Proctor.

And I think there's enough sources. I think there's enough sourcing in the building for Proctor too, just from like Alabama standpoint, that you feel like, you know, there's a little bit different Washington State. Like, there weren't like a lot of through lines there.

To me, I'll tell you what I'm thinking here. And I got one. Yeah. It could be like Mackay Lemon. okay uh or one of the corners delane or mccoy guys who were like everybody's expecting them to be to be gone we didn't do enough work necessarily yep i mean is there a world in which carnell tate is there i don't think so um i think my i think my answer is peter woods

okay there's a guy that was universally viewed as like a top 10 player in the year um and again like you're doing work on all these guys but in terms of like as thorough like, you know, especially like at the high level, you know, maybe, you know, it wasn't really a thing until recently that, oh, yeah, he could fall to the back end of the first round. Not a position of need for us, but hey, like he's just too good to pass up. That would be one. But again, I don't think that that's perfect either, but that would be the closest one looking around the board. Okay. All right.

I'm going to ask you about Jalen Rager. Yep. I got one for this one. Who would be the Jailen Rager of this class? Now, I don't know what the sin here is necessarily. it is a player who is not as explosive as you think he is. You know, like the time speed was not great for Jailen Rager, especially for someone as undersized as he was.

Maybe it's more about sticking to consensus. Yeah. I'm going to get an answer from you, Fran. In overtime. All right. Who's your, who's your Jailen Rager? And what do you think of as the sin there? Yeah, the tricky part for the, as far as like the sins for a lot of these guys

and why they didn't work out, it is all often like a, mixture of like the on field with the off field right and that's what i do think that part of this the theme that we've seen with the you know the since like nick seriani's gotten hired because you know that's kind of like a line from like dillard and rager like honestly like a lot of these draft picks since then have been pretty strong up top um i think like the physical physicality like the mental toughness i think all of that stuff like that edge like i think that that is real and i do think that there's you could have pointed to jaylon And there was like a certain, a certain edge to him, right?

And I think that I don't want to like say it's all that. I will say one player. Production was not great, which is another thing. And remember everybody throwing that quarterback under the bus. Yeah. Like that was the whole, the whole explanation for Jalen Rager was, well, you got, you should see how bad that quarterback was. Like maybe, maybe don't ignore that.

But okay, go ahead. One of the guys that I wrote down actually while watching this player, I wrote down Jalen Rager as a, as a comp form and he's a first round player. Um, Omar Cooper Jr. Hey, I thought about that. Yeah. I think that when you look at third games, I think that there's some similarities there where you saw flashes as a route runner and like there's ability there,

but not fully fleshed out. With Omar Cooper Jr., it was a little bit of a late bloomer. Uh, you know, the questions about like maturity, kind of reading between the lines of like public coach comments like from multiple coaching staffs talking about Cooper, you know, in press conferences. It was like, yeah, like, if he could put it all together, if he, you know, if he does everything the right way every day, like all that stuff. So I think there's a little bit of that element.

I think when you're looking at it, a lot of his stuff is more like underneath and some gadgety and like schemed up touches as opposed to like him winning one-on-one as a consistent route runner. Really good hands and yards after catchability, but like ball tracking down the field, a little bit of a question.

That to me is the closest from this group at wide receiver. Okay. Ooh, man. Yeah, that's going to send a shiver down people's spines. I was about say because I like Domar Cooper, but... Man, I mean, I love Jalen Rager.

Like so, you know, I was, I was guilty of the same, uh, same. I was, I was really, really high on that pick. I'll just say Danny Watkins is, uh, mezzador. You got the old guy. The old guy. Yeah. You know, yeah. You can, although you can make a case.

Ihanachor is the one there because this is, you're, you're selling yourself on. This guy hasn't played a lot. Um, but, okay. And then do you have a Marcus Smith one? And what do you think the sin is there? Hmm. I think you're thinking about Marcus Smith and it's tools in his body over. Yeah.

Although I guess he was productive. He had a lot of sacks coming out. But there was no specific. Just that final year though, if I remember right. Yeah, exactly. You know what I think? I think Marcus Smith, the sin there is kind of the Aaron Curry as the famous example of you think that this is, there's no such thing as a safety.

player. Like if you're drafting a guy who who doesn't have a lot of upside but you're convincing yourself is is like a guaranteed floor, there's no such thing as that. So is that like T.J. Parker? Okay. Well, see, I think you don't want to be a senior. What I think is the big sin with the Marcus Smith pick. Yeah. Was the process that led to the selection because we were people may remember that was the draft where there's been like reporting on this was like oh the eagles had a list of seven with seven picks to go and literally all their players went bang bang bang every single one and because their draft board was itty bitty small uh you know the guys got eliminated for one reason or another because they had very strict physical uh limit like uh thresholds and like

zero tolerance for like any off field stuff so the board was super super tight and when And when they had that run of all those players go off the board, there was literally no one left and you couldn't trade out. So you had to make a pick. And you ended up taking a player that was not graded up that highly. Yes, I think to me, like that's the sin. I think when Howie thinks about that miss, it is not about the player. It is about the draft room and the execution.

And I don't think there is any doubt that that specific experience and the embarrassment of that experience has fueled the way he, he runs drafts ever since. And it is why he is willing to pay a premium to move up a few spots to get a guy who they make sure that they like in the first round. Yep, agreed. Yeah.

Okay. How you feeling? Nine days away. You're working on your seven rounder? I'm working on my seven rounder. I'm at, um, I'm at pick 20. Actually, I'm writing up 29. Oh, okay.

So give us who was on the board at 23. Should we clip this one too? Um, sure, we can clip it. Uh, here's what I'll say. I don't have the Eagles picking at 23. Oh. Oh. Okay, so they've moved up to, I'm guessing, I'm going to make a guess. Let's each make a guess. Okay. Yeah. I'm guessing the Eagles have moved up to 19 for Caden Proctor. Thought about 19. Thought about 19. Very close to 19. Didn't do 19. All right. I've got the Eagles, moving up to 18 for Kenyan Sadiq. Kenyan Sadiq did go number 18,

but not to the Philadelphia. I think that Kevin O'Con, I think the fact that there's no GM in place, I think that Minnesota's draft this year. It's a little weird. I think that they are less likely to move. I think that my guess is that they stick and pick there at 18. Yeah.

So what do we got? All right. So let me just find a good like, Cut off spot. All right. So, Keldrick Falk goes off the board

at 17. Kenyon Sadiq goes off the board at 18. Casey Concepcion goes off the board at 19. What tackles are available?

So, Monro Freeling is available. Maxi Honachor is available. T.J. Parker's available. Omar Cooper Jr., Denzel Boston. Oh, so Proctor has gone. Proctor is gone.

Correct. So I had the, moving up to number 20 for Freeling. I haven't taken Monroe Freeling, the left tackle from Georgia. Okay. That seems very... Trade with the Cowboys. Very personal. Very, very...

...the Cowboys, which I did write about, you know, they did it back in 2021 for the... Devante Smith, Michael Parsons trade. The Cowboys have actually made a couple of trades, you know, in division, you know, for the draft, but then also they've traded back the Sean Lee trade, you know, this is going back a little bit. So Jerry Jones is not like saying like, oh yeah, I would never trade with the Eagles. Nor should you. Yeah. Draft weekend.

Yeah. That's silly. Yeah. Okay. That does pop up, especially in division. Now, one thing to keep in mind, I think as we enter the draft and the moves and how you might make. I was talking to Jimmy Kempski about this before the press conference today. If you believe an A.J. Brown trade is coming.

the Eagles may be willing to, and they're going to get a third round compick for the Jalen Phillips deal, the Eagles might be willing to dip into their 2027 draft coffers more readily than they would in a normal year. You know, if you think you're getting a one and something else for AJ, you're going to have two ones next year. You know what?

If I can use next year's second to get a player I really love, let's do it. Like that makes a lot of sense to me. In thinking about trades too, the trademark, I actually think, especially off conversations I've had the last couple of days, I think the trade market in the first and second round could be a little bit more active than what I thought. And I do think it'll probably be more of a, I guess you would call it like a buyer's market, like benefiting the teams that are trying to trade up. I think that the asking price won't be as high. And so I think that, you know, kind of throw your trade value charts and expect a little bit less in return for moving back. And I think teams might be okay with that.

So that's something that I'm kind of keeping my antenna up for as well. Okay. Some super chats to get to. We start with fresh prints. I thought Howie's response to the question about the Jalen articles was perfect until he said that's what sells. This came from people in their building. I think that's a fair read on it. Good observation.

Appreciate the insight there, fresh prints and the contribution. From JR player, E.J., what position did you play in football? I played a quarterback, actually, until my freshman year when they, no, sorry, I played quarterback on the freshman team. They moved me to offensive line my sophomore year. My dad very callously says that I ate my way out of the position. I mean, it's fine, it's true. I was an okay tackle.

I was actually, I was a decent quarterback, a lefty. Okay. Yeah. Do you like Pass blocking or run blocking more? I liked run blocking more But I didn't I didn't love playing on the offensive line

It was never my like passion I like watching offensive linemen But never my thing Joe Rockhead Can I get a scouting report? Like what's the I don't you like You like black more But what's the player cop

Um Andre Dillard That probably wouldn't be a terrible one Oh okay I didn't I was never like I was solid I was fine

But I was never yeah I would say like I was decently athletic so yeah I'd say Andre Dillard's probably a good com for me didn't have a great anchor wasn't nasty through the whistle or anything like that yeah too nice I yeah it was a very nice offensive lineman yeah I can see that

Victor millennial is a rough scotting a rough one liner for an offensive lineman that's not what you want in your offensive lineman Joe Rockhead Fran what are your thoughts on the eight minutes to draft is that long enough yeah I think it's long enough especially given the fact that most

8 minutes is plenty of time plenty of time given the fact that most trades like the framework is usually worked out beforehand and it's just kind of like you're calling to like say like all right you guys want to get this done or what yeah I think it's enough time yeah I think it's fine

although you know maybe maybe the draft will move a little bit quicker I mean wait about that I don't I think this information is out there but if you want to join us for night one of the draft we're going to be on the scene at the Chickies and Peets in South Jersey.

Where is it, Lindsay? Marlton. Marlton. Chickies and Pete's, Marlton, Thursday night, round one, the whole show. We're going to be live from Chickies with Fran, E.J., and other special guests that we can announce at a future date. It should be fun. And of course, we're going to be live all draft weekend

for every single Eagles pick. Pretty cool. It is pretty cool. Best, best three shows of the year. Had a lot of fun. I thought last, last year's draft weekend was very fun. Great. Looking fun.

All right. Good stuff, friend. Anything else on your mind? Anything else we can do for you? Um, no, I got nothing. Unless you want to take over and doing the seven round mock. Uh, that's all I got. Okay.

E.J. All right. That's all we got. We'll see you in studio tomorrow. What are we doing tomorrow? Receiver? I think we're going to do tackles some more. I think we're doing tackles.

Yeah. Tackles. Beautiful. Strong. Powerful, man. I tried to get in a stance yesterday after talking about, uh, yeah. Who are we talking about? Chase Bissontas, yeah.

Yeah. Ancles were like, nah, buddy. Those days are over. More of a crown over stance. Yeah, I had the crown over stance for sure. Look forward to that. We'll do that tomorrow. We will talk to you then at 2 o'clock.

Thank you, Lindsay, thank you, Fran, thank you EJ, thank you, E.J. Thank you, Howie. Thank you, Nick. We will talk to you. And as always, we love you. We're all silly like the mayor.