PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Inside the Eagles’ Draft Room: Learning Howie Roseman’s MASTER PLAN | PHLY Eagles

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

Makai Lemon, Eli Stowers, Cole Payton, Micah Morris and Uar Bernard were all PRIORITY players for the Eagles entering the 2026 NFL Draft, we learned from the team’s all-access video inside the draft room. We unpack the big things you need to know with Fran Duffy and Bo Wulf before debuting a new game about what the 2026 season will look like. Plus, an exclusive interview with Cole Payton’s QB coach at North Dakota State. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And welcome to the PHAI Eagles podcast, live from the Xfinity Mobile Studio, presented by Ashley. I'm Bo Wolf. Join today by the great Fran Duffy. And we got a lot to talk about. We're going to introduce a new game that I'm excited about, Fran, called Goldie Flox. Very excited about this one. We're going to hear from Joe Boshaner, the North Dakota State quarterbacks coach, who's going to give us some insight into Cole Payton, the Eagles fifth round quarterback.

back maybe more we'll find out and we're going to start fran with one of my favorite pieces of content no specific all year long probably my favorite piece of gougal's content and that is the all access behind the scenes video of the draft room the draft weekend so many moments where i'm just pausing and like looking around who's in the room and like who's in around oh it's it's it's such good stuff we're going to go through our favorite moments from that But we've got to start, Fran, with reminding people that we've got a film room. Sure. In just two weeks.

We're going to go through all of the draft picks and maybe some undrafted guys, maybe some Jonathan Grinard, Tuesday, May 19th at our studios, 6 o'clock. Nice two hours. Excited about that, Fran. It would be a lot of fun. The one we did a few weeks ago leading into the draft was fun. But to me, like going through and having purpose and like, all right, here are the guys that are going to be an Eagles green that we're going to be talking about over the next few months.

and ideally the next few years, that's going to be a lot of fun. So if you are local to the Philadelphia area, come join us. It'll be a fun party. I'm sure we'll have some food, we'll have some drinks. And it's going to be a lot of film.

We're just going to go through. We've got a bunch of picks to go through. Yeah. I mean, and watching you do Eli Stowers, it's going to be, I mean, that's worth the price of admission alone. I mean, I'm more excited about other ones that we can go through. But yeah, the Eli Stowers won't be fun as well. All right, looking forward to that.

should we should we get right into it the the all access video because i i have so many thoughts it's it's so good did you have a chance to watch it if you haven't watched it yet you can watch it on the eagles youtube page the whole 17 and a half minutes of it great stuff what were here did you watch yeah i did watch uh i am biased obviously just knowing the many of the people that are involved with the production i think the eagles do a better a better job with these than than anybody else in the league. And yeah, it was, it's always informative. There's always good things to take away.

This is right also the time of year I'm watching all of it. That was going to be one of the questions I asked you was, do you watch, because I know how much you enjoy these. Do you watch like the Arizona Cardinals and Buffalo Bills and Carolina. I should.

I watch the, the little segments that come across. Got it. But I should make a point to watch the other extended ones. Yeah, they're good. I mean, so basically what I've been doing for the last couple of days as I'm going through and it's like, all right, this morning, I'm doing all the Arizona Cardinals draft debrief stuff. So I watch all that and they'll take on all the pressers and all that stuff.

And so as I've been going through, I watched like Buffalo, Buffalo does a decent job every year. There's is always pretty good. So I've watched a few. The Eagles are I think are like the fifth one I've watched so far. But yeah, the Eagles always do a great job with these. Good early note in the chat, Fran, from Rhinob, who says, I'm sorry for his overreaction to your Georgicorian Bennett. I was wrong. You were right.

Look, we're not, I'm not someone that's going to, because I'm going to get, I'm going to get one's wrong. Maybe the Star Wars one will be wrong. So it's a very big of you to, but no, apology, not need it, not necessary. That's very funny. Okay. I'm going to tell you my, my single favorite moment of the whole thing. Okay. Okay. I think I know what it is.

There's a lot to, there's a lot to get to here. You know, we will go through. through, you know, they drafted seven guys. Two of them were red stars. Two of them were passion players from the Saturday morning meeting. Some interesting stuff behind the scenes about the trade discussions, all that stuff. But my favorite moment for sure was from the passion meeting Saturday morning. I know it.

This is before, you know, entering day three. And obviously the Eagles enter day three knowing they're not going to pick for like 110 picks. And everybody who's involved from position coaches to scouts and analytics people, pick a player and explain why this is a passion player for them, a player who they believe fits what Howard Roseman wants on day three, which is someone who can turn into a starter. We should do a passion meeting on the show next year. We should.

We should do that. We should do that. And the alpha energy just emanating from, Clint hurt. I know it. When he when he pounds the table for Uar Bernard. And what is so awesome about it is not

necessarily that he's stumping for Uar Bernard. He is stumping for himself. He is pounding the table for I am the guy who's going to get the most out of him. And I'll read you what he says. He says, I understand he hasn't played, but this kid has more talent in his body

physically than some of the other guys that got drafted in the first two days. I love to get my hands on him. Explosive, violent, heavy-handed kid, ton of upside, developmental guy, and this is my favorite part. But I trust myself and I believe in the kid. I mean, I just, I love that.

I love that so much. And listen, you could probably go wrong a lot of ways listening to a coach, pound the table too much for their own abilities. I think actually in most cases, coaches will be more on the side of someone who needs less development and like coaches will often tilt more in the favor of a guy who's more ready made yeah well to see that from clint but if you are like if you are lamenting having lost the jeff stoutland uh you know skeleton key to

development let's see if let's let's let's see if clint hurt can do that as well um and listen there's also a chance that long term clint hurt is the vic vanjo report replacement. That's a, that's a possibility. Yeah. But just to see his excitement about that, and then there's phone call with O'R. That was, to me, that was like, that was so good. Yeah. The level of juice from O'R on the call just rose. I mean, you could tell the, yes. Yeah, it definitely was happy to hear from Howie, but he was happier to hear from Clint. Yes, he was very excited to talk with Clint Hurd. And what I would say, too, about like the dynamic with a lot of coaches when it comes to like ready made guys versus like the high upside,

typically when you know because yes there are definitely some coaches that prefer the guys that are more ready made where they might go the other direction are the guys where it's either a hey no one else sees it in this guy but me like there's like there's like there's like they that extra investment but then there's be the ones where they get to physically work them out or like hey like i like i you know i spent a lot of time talking with this guy during an informal meeting at the combine not the formals that we see all the video of but hey i spent three and a half hours talking ball with you this kid, you know, at the train station in Indianapolis, you know, a part of the hotel there, which they were they used to do those informals. It's like, oh, that's when they feel like they get super investor. It's like, yeah, like you are buying into the person and the kid as much as you are buying into the upside. And so when you hear Clint Hurt have that kind of, you know, that kind of assertion about O'R. Bernard, to me, that's the faith in what he believes that the kid's going to reach his upside. Like, I can get him there. So that was that was very, fun to be able to see that play out.

That was, that was, it was awesome. I mean, what a, what an alpha. All right, let go to you. What was your, what was your favorite part? Um, you, for me, here's that, this was a really quick throwaway line. And I want to run this by you. So it was a really quick thing. It was, uh, as they're going through the first round and the, the bucks are up at 15.

Yeah. And the bucks, and the bucks end up taking Ruben Bain Jr., who was a surprise that he felt to them. it was interesting that it was a quick throw away from Howie, but he said, Tampa gets who they wanted. I wonder if they had a trade in place with the bucks to move into 15. If he knew like, Tampa got a guy that they wanted, you would think that if they didn't get a guy who they wanted,

were they willing to move out? And so that made me wonder, was that a move-up spot for them and who would have been? That's interesting. I think, I think that's a good read. That wasn't my initial read, but I think that's a good read. I mean, listen, they were openly talking about they were looking to move up throughout that entire process.

I think, I think Alec Halliby said once it got to like 12 or so, then all of a sudden, then you start to evaluate who's on the board and how high up can you get. Yep. And before they pick Bain, he said something like Bain would be a good pick here. Yeah. And I thought that that meant for them. For them. Yeah.

I almost wrote that down. Is that an interesting line? Yes. But then their reaction to it. Listen, we're analyzing selective editing here. So it's not like this was a documentary. But their then reaction to the pick being made did not make it feel like you're like, all right, that's good.

It made me retroactively feel like maybe he was talking about, okay, that must be what they wanted. That was the guy who's good for them. So yeah, that's a good. I think that's a possible read. Yeah. So then so, so Bain goes 15. Kenyon Sadiq goes 16. 17.

Well, you know what's interesting is because after the Bain pick, he asks John Ferrari how many picks are there before us. And he says seven, but it would have been eight after the Bain pick. So it must have been, that must have been selective editing. That must have been after the Sadiq pick. Yes. Right. That's a good call. I didn't even think.

I didn't even do that math. That's a good point. I can't tell you how much I love watching this video. Yeah. That's great. This is really good. But that one line definitely stood out to me. And it got me thinking like, okay, well, if they were going to make a move up,

who else would have been? So 16 was, here I'm pulling it up really quick. 16 was Sadiq, right? 16 was Sadiq, 17 was Blake or was, yeah, 17 was Blake Miller to the Lions. 18 was Caleb Banks to the Vikings. 19 was Monroe Freeling. 20 was McKaylin. So, I mean, I stand pretty far.

I would have been shocked if the Eagles did select Blake Miller. And I would have, especially trading up for Blake Miller. So to me, if you were to move up. for 15. Yeah, I think it would have been McKinilleman anyway. You think that would have been 15 for Lemon? Yeah, so getting ahead of the Jets for Lemon.

Unless it was Sadiq. That's what I mean. To me, it's either Sadiq, Lemon, or potentially, I guess, freely. But I think if you're trying to get ahead of the Jets, you were doing it for an offensive weapon. Because that's who you thought. Everyone knew, like, all right,

the Jets are taking an offense. You're right. If you were trying to get ahead of the Jets. Yes. But even if you're trying to get ahead of the Jets, I bet it was for Lemon because I think no, no one was really expecting the Jets to take Sadiq, No.

With Mason Taylor from last year. No. I mean, now Joe Douglas being in the building, Joe Douglas may have had an idea that, that hey, they might be going, you know,

maybe Cudic is on the board there for them, even though that hadn't really been talked about, which that's a whole like other like, oh, Mason Taylor was not a good, not a good blocker coming out of LSU. And then one year later, they're selecting a tight end in the first round

because they want a guy that's more complete, you know, that kind of thing. But I also, I think it's probably fair to read, them taking stowers in the second round indicates to me that they would have been willing to take Sadiq take Sadiq. That's a good point. That's a good point.

Okay. All right, what's next for you? All right. Next for me is, I'm going to call out one of the two red stars. Okay. Because of the payoff that comes with it. Yeah. Which is Lee DiVallario. Yeah.

Who is in the scouting department was recently promoted yesterday. he makes his red star Eli Stowers. And, you know, he talks about that this is a guy who made a, made a position change, made way through his college career, embraced it all. He's got these, you know, we know he's got the great athletic tools, wins the Mackey Award, all that stuff. He pounds the table for Eli Stowers. This is the meeting on the Wednesday before the draft.

But what I like about that is that you then circle back to, you then fast forward to when they draft Stowers. Right. And you can see Lee in the background, and he has the biggest smile on it. And I love that. I love that payoff. And listen, you know, Howie Roseman is not drafting players to placate lower level members of the front office. But it's part of why they do that meeting.

And it's part of why they do the passion meeting on Saturday. Because it allows everybody to feel like they are part of the process. And think about it. Like there's probably. 35 players being mentioned in each of those meetings, something like that. You know, somewhere, somewhere between 20 and 50. Every coach, every scout, every person in that room. Probably, probably 50 people are being.

So obviously, they're going to draft some of those players, but it allows people to feel like they have a part of the process. Yeah. And I'm not saying that Howie Roseman drafted Eli Stowers because Lee gave a, an impassioned speech in that meeting. but the fact that he gets to then feel that afterwards. You can see the smile on his face. And I really appreciated that. I also appreciated from his pitch in that meeting. The way that they do it is very funny

because everybody's got to see somebody outside. And Howie and Jeffrey are in the middle and they're on their little swivel chairs. And the seat that Lee has while he's giving the Eli Stauer speech, he is speaking just face-to-face with Jeffrey Lerry. Jeffrey's getting in his chair looking right at him. And Julian's on his left and Howie's on his right. And it's just a very funny like, man, you get into this business, you're going to be making a pitch eye to eye with Jeffrey Lurie.

It's kind of fun. Yeah, that's a good point. I also like to the aspect that you alluded to where Lee pointed out the fact that, hey, like, he made this position switch and like did it in stride. And I feel like that is something that, and I'm very guilty of this, of kind of glossing. over that aspect of like the player evaluation when it comes to like the off-field character and like mental fortitude and like all of that stuff because like that can be really hard. And we talked a little bit about this with the with the Caden Proctor like, oh, like, if he fails to tackle, you kick him inside a guard.

It is very hard for a player. You spend your entire life, your entire childhood. You go through high school. You're the best guy on your team. And then you get told like, oh, yeah, you're not good enough anymore. we're going to have you change positions. And obviously, like, you know, doing it as a tight end at New Mexico State is not the same as doing it as your first round pick in the NFL draft in a city like Philadelphia.

But I do think that it's those little markers for teams and for scouts and for evaluators to say, like, yeah, this guy's got like some stuff to him. He's got some mental fortitude that he could fight through that level of adversity. And sometimes it's even like, you know, an injury could be a red flag, but how does the guy come back from injury a red shirt year oh this guy didn't do it you know he he he first got to uh to campus and he like had to sit for a year some guys don't take that well so like how did he handle the red shirt year those are little like those little things that we kind of gloss over when we're talking about these prospects now i thought it was good that lee kind of shed a light on that as

well all right uh good stuff let's take our first break here back with more still more insight on this awesome video from inside the eagles draft room stay tuned we'll hear from cole payton's coaching a little bit and a debut a new game. So lots to come on the PHOIGO's podcast. With an aura frame, you can capture and relive mom's magic every day. This is the perfect gift just in time for Mother's Day for that mom, that wife, or that partner that always makes you smile. Maybe you have a photo. It's a candid shot that they never knew that you took.

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still unpacking the access video of the U's draft room over to you, Fran, for your next takeaway. Uh, I mean, it's, it's been talked about so much, but just the,

uh, the McCoy Lemon phone call, Steelers asking. Uh, let's make this. What's bringing presented by our friends at Wawa, Fran, because this is where I wanted to go as well.

Uh, you go first. So they started the whole video off with it, right? And so they show that and then they loop back to it and like kind of show it play out a little bit. Now, I will say this is where like selective editing can come into play as well because there was one out. So basically like the intro is shows one thing where it looks like, oh, like the, they're not going to make the pick until the call, you know, until the call is made. And then when they show the footage later, it says like, you know, you're not going to make the pick until the call is made. Phil it says like you hear the speaker from the league saying like Philadelphia has submitted its pick Pittsburgh is on the clock followed by how he's saying get mackay lemon on the phone now he did say like there's a few minutes left kind of thing but like the order of operations there is a little bit thrown off and so knowing that there is you know some editing that does happen with this I did wonder like was this part edited but the other one was purposely not right which one was right so I don't know if he like shed a whole ton of light on it but uh obviously it's been.

one of the big talking points coming out of it as well still so a couple things one the mechanics of the actual trade up were interesting to me yeah and i think it's interesting for people to see that like the initial part of those trade conversations it's not GM to GM it's sort of intermediary to intermediary like alan walking tells he's like hey howie the cowboys are willing to move down and the original offer was for 98 the eagle's second third round pick to move down three spots and we know that the Eagles didn't want to trade 98 because that was earmarked in the Jonathan Grenard trade. That was going to happen the next day. So Howie then goes and looks at their value board for picks.

And he says, okay, we can do, how about instead tell them two fourths and they throw us next year's sixth. And so then it's relayed that the Cowboys are sort of balking it next year's sixth. Now Howie gets on the phone talks to, I think it was Stephen Jones. I think it was Stephen Jones. Yep. And they counter with a future seventh. Howie says how about the current seventh? And they settle on the future seventh.

And that's how that deal gets down. So that was interesting to see that that negotiation. And it's not just how he involved. And obviously it sort of makes sense. He can't be talking to everybody in the league. No. So that's probably, you know, you have those discussions ahead of time with every team. Like these are the people who we will talk to.

I'm sure they'll be, they split it up to some degree. And then the lemon thing. it was funny. I mean, it was interesting to see them scrambling to some degree. Like, okay, we can't get on the phone. Like, we've got to get more people involved in trying to reach out to them. And then the other thing I would say is my understanding is it is viewed around the league as uncouth by the Steelers. Like the Steelers getting Mackay Lemon on the phone before they were on the clock is very much frowned upon.

Yeah. Agreed. that was kind of that's the sentiment i've heard as well on that one uh that that that was literally like day two of the draft i i had texted a couple people about that around just to kind of get their take their temperature on it was like yeah we don't do that so it's like uh um yeah i thought that was interesting and you know who knows if it was purposeful or not because there is plenty of uh crossover in the steeler's front office um people that used to be in philadelphia now they didn't know that the eagles are moving up necessarily

but you don't know it's possible yeah no it's uh that was that was a little weird but But yeah, cool to see that play out. And just, you know, just throw a little bit of urgency, a little bit of panic in the room. Yeah, exactly. All right, let's close the book on What's Brewing presented by Wawa as how he makes his big move up for McClellan. And it's also worth noting just the excitement that Howie has after they make the trade, and he gives it, here we go. And then he's giving everybody credit for the teamwork.

So good to see that. Yeah, how is good at that, like, in watching these over the years, because it's so tense. and you hear like, you know, Alan walking talk about, you hear Alec, Halby talking about it, that like it can be tense, especially like there's a trade and there's this and it's a lot of waiting. And so there's a lot of tension. I feel like Howie Roseman will always be really good at just saying like bringing the excitement level up. Like, hey, like, we just had a great player, guys. Like, I have right. Yeah, yeah. Just kind of like cut the tension and say like, all right, now it's time to be excited. He does that consistently. I agree. Let's check the box

on the cup on the other Red Star. So, I think we can presume that if the Eagles don't show a red star guy who they drafted, that they didn't have a red star on him, right? I think that's probably a fair. They would go out of their way to show it, yeah. Right. And so the other one of the seven picks who had a red star before the draft was Cole Payton. And this was from the area scout in that area.

That's Duke Tobin. And he was just talking about this, you talk to anybody in that program. This is the toughest guy. This is the leader. in addition to all the intangibles. So that's an interesting one. And then I will also cherry pick from the Passion meeting on Saturday morning when they're talking about the day three guys. Alec Halliby calls out Michael Morris.

And this is an interesting one because I think this is a good insight into the things that matter to them in the, I think analytics is too final point on it. But as they are scouting people, you know, it's that. he blocked a lot of good interior players. And when we talk about people with the tools in their body, this is what we see from starters. And so, you know, Michael Morris, yes, he couldn't fully hold down that job and there's development to be done there. But he's done it in the SEC against a high level of competition.

And he has the physical abilities of what a starting player at that position looks like. And so it's interesting to see that insight into the things that matter. Yeah. And this was obviously, it's a late pick. And then, you know, a little bit later, the Eagles select who are Bernard, who's never played football before, one of the things that has definitely stood out, and it's been interesting as I've been going through my, you know,

looking at all the teams in the league kind of deal. A lot of teams had to do things that they don't normally do. Now, the Eagles stuck to their profile, but obviously, like it's, you know, like Michael Morris. I couldn't hold down the starting job consistently as a senior. Like that, there's like, you know, guys where it's like, oh, you kind of have to squint a little bit. it's been like an Ohio state backup offensive lineman got drafted like a guy that did not start

a game he played like a hundred snaps all season as a backup card uh got drafted uh you know more specialists got drafted like it's like it's like a lot of team you know teams drafting non power five the carolina panthers every single pick under dan morgan has been a power five player they drafted a miami ohio one year starter uh linebacker from miami ohio you know what you mean like uh yeah teams were digging to the bottom of the barrel of the barrel of of their draftable grades this year. And it was interesting to see what concessions they were willing to make. But the Eagles, I still feel like they stuck true to like this is their value.

They value. It's just, you know, the profile is. Honestly, I think, I think Wisniewski is the only example of like, that's probably my guy that they would have drafted. But that's a good point, though. That's valid. Yep. Right.

But I think, yeah, Michael Morris is their profile. That's it. So I think that's right. Okay. Anything else from you? I got a couple other little follow-up things, clean-up things. I mean, the excitement from Sean Mannion after pick Mikey McHyneman is obvious to see, and Jeffrey gives him a shout-out, like, you know, that's a good start.

And obviously, they draft three guys on offense. I was just very interested in, and this is one where I did a lot of pausing, just who gets to be in the draft room versus who doesn't get to be in the draft room. And Nick is the only coach in the draft room. you know you know mannion is not in there vic is not in there um and most you know of it most of the the mid-level scouts are not in the actual draft room as decisions are being made and then everybody files in when how he announces who the pick is but i did i did have sort of a checklist of who was in there yep so you got joe douglas matt russell and bry we're on that

left left wall you got john ferrari phil bya allen walking jeremy gray uh you see adam berry there You see, and then who we don't see, but you assume is there, and I'm sure it was there, are Chuck Walls and Alec Hallaby on the right side. You do see Ryan Myers, obviously Howie, Jeffrey Julian. And then, you know, you see the two PR guys, Brett and Bob, come in and out. And then one guy who they hide, and you only get a glimpse of very briefly is Anthony Cozy, who is the guy in charge of like their all the software. All the software.

And there's a really good story by Jordan Rodriguez on the athletic last or like right before the draft or right after the draft about the different software interfaces that organizations have. And I would just say, I mean, listen, I would just say that Cozy is a guy who like, when people leave the Eagles, we're like, damn, I wish we still had that guy. He's very well, very well thought of. It's like to me, like that job of creating that software, that's, I mean, that's, that's very cool.

Like, say like, oh, like, we're now working with coaches and with. And you're talking about like, you know, this is something so that like every person in the organization, you know, on scouting and coaching can just like you see a player and then like everything you need to see is there. Right. And you can and you can, you know, it's like, I mean, this is this would be like your. No, yes. I mean, your wet dream here. Yeah, the idea of, you know, building out everything so that you can see everything you want to know about a prospect at any given time. Oh, my gosh.

That's phenomenal. Yeah, so that's cool. Go ahead. Dr. DeLuca was in the room a couple of times. Did you notice that? Yeah. That was so I wonder if there were some medical conversations they had about some players that he just happened to be in the room for.

Yes. I thought it was a little bit interesting that Joe Douglas addressed the room before the Red Star meeting after how he did and explained the process behind it. And I think that that was sort of a presage to him taking on more of a hands-on role in this draft cycle. And then it was notable that Jonathan Grenard came in. And they knew this deal was happening.

He just pops in on the second out of the draft. That was kind of funny. They did. But it was interesting that he said like, that Howie Rose was like, all right, we're going to announce this deal now. Like after the Stowers pick, right? I got that timing right.

It was after they made the Stowers pick. Now, again, selective editing. It's all right, we're going to announce this deal now. I do, I wonder what it was that. like made them hold that trade until that moment. Yeah. I understand why they held it after night one. Like they couldn't do it in night one because just what if we have to trade and then we'll figure out another way to get you compensation.

So why does it not happen at 5 o'clock? I don't know why it doesn't happen. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess it's possible that they would have considered moving up and needing that pick. I guess it's possible. I don't think they're not. I don't think there's a second round edge guy

who they're not making the Grenard trade for. You know what I mean? Probably not. Is it just to, is it just for obfuscation purposes? So the teams don't know that you're not going to draft an edge in the second round? Okay. Yeah, but if everyone, if everyone,

I mean, he's there. The league knows. Everyone knew. You know what I mean? Like, Yeah, it's interesting. It could be the opposite.

It could be that part of it. That's not a bad point. Yeah. That's actually, that might be that might be it i could buy i could buy them doing that okay yeah they could care about it i could see them caring about that okay all right uh good stuff uh man i just i wish i could i wish i could i wish i could see all the all the footage from that weekend wouldn't that be so amazing it's a lot of footage so it's somewhere yeah okay uh let's take a break on the other side

we are going to bring you to the interview with joe boshaner the quarterbacks coach from North Dakota State. I'm going to, ahead of time, just the audio quality, not our best, but that's okay. I think it's worth it for you to hear the insight from Cole Payton's quarterback's coach. We'll bring that to you. And then after that, we debut a new game. I think this game is going to be so good that we're going to be splitting it into two days. That's how exciting it is.

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And he loves the process of, you know, the mental aspect of, you know, the mental aspect of the physical aspect of it. He's a football junkie. Well, I think they'll be very excited to hear that. So, I guess let's start from, like, you know, in the meeting room. You know, what's his personality? Like, obviously, in college, you're juggling so many different things. You know, what was his sort of, how did he show how much he loves the game sort of in the room?

Well, he did so much work. You know, we're only allowed to be. with these kids for we have an hour limit. Yeah, 20 hours in season, 18 hours off season. You know how work that he did always to come prepared for the work that we would do together

was incredible, you know, this guy was, you know, above and beyond from a preparation standpoint. In the meeting room, you know, he is, he's prepared. So there wasn't a lot of stuff that was going to catch him off guard. He was finished right in front of the one.

I think that's what his preparation, not just as when it was the start of this last year, but preparing like you're the starter from the previous. Okay. You know, for the moment you have your opportunity. Oh, I think that's also telling, right? Because you'll have to start that way, right? And I guess what was it like when he had that time to prepare for, you know, what was going to be his only year as a starter.

Didn't, you know, the embracing of that and what was going to change? Nothing for granted. Okay. You know, didn't change his preparation from when he was fresh walking into the door and just was diligent with how he worked, you know, not only on the field in the wait room, in the training room, but in the meeting room, tell him all that stuff. how would you what kind of offense

were you guys running um we're very pro style I guess is right you know we put a lot on the quarterbacks from checking the protection

to get us in the right runs and get us in our outplays that you know are bad looks and aren't going to help us out so I think from that standpoint um in the issue is that a history of quarterbacks

that have kind of a lot of control over what we're doing offensively you know, protecting yourself in the past game to get us in the right run place. I know. So there's been, there's been a lot of his play in that sense. Okay. That's good to know. And that was something that he obviously embraced.

Yeah, 100%. Okay. How about as a passer? Like, what are his strengths as a passer? You know, I think he has a really good ability to anticipate down the field. Okay. you know, the big kids, sees the big picture, sees the whole field understands, you know, what person is going to help him unlock the coverage so you can anticipate where to go with the football.

Okay. And that comes from, you know, transformation. Well, yeah, and I think, you know, one thing that people point to for college quarterbacks getting to the NFL is, you know, the reps matter, right? Like, you know, the guys who have played the longest, there's some little connectivity there. And so for him, only having one year as a starter, all of that preparation has to sort of make up for the fact that he didn't get quite as many, you know, game reps as a starter I'm in. Yeah. We are a unique operation with how we practice. And, you know, we get a ton of reps.

Okay. For not only starters, but, you know, we're a developmental team. and we're trying to get as many reps to as many kids as possible. So his ability to take advantage of those as well in practice, really helped him out. But just like you said, his maturity and understanding that, I might not be getting this game rep with this practice rep, this mental rep, is going to prepare me for when it is my time.

Okay, that makes sense. He's also obviously a great athlete beyond a passer. How much was that a part of, you know, how you went about building the offense with him? You know, it was a lot. You know, it's our job as offensive coaches to put our best dudes out there, put him in the best possible situation to be successful and let him go play. So just using his talents was, you know, something that we were conscious of and put him in a good position to put our offense in a good position to be successful.

Yeah, what are his sort of, what are his talents as a runner? A guy who's got great pitching, accelerates quickly. You know, he's a 230-pound kid. He's a tough tackle. Right. So, you know, he understands how to set blocks, understands leverage, knows because of his preparation, who the unblocked player is what an attack is going to be.

So. Yeah, I wonder about, you know, for a quarterback who is that athletically gifted, the balance between, you know, since he had so much leeway at the line to change plays, some balance between, like, calling your own number because you know that that might be the best play versus, like, well, you're a quarterback, you don't want to just call your number all the time. No, I think that you're getting a person that understands that the most important job to our quarterback is help our team win. Yeah.

And at the end of the game, as long as we have one more points, then it's all it really matters. Right. So go ahead. Well, I'm interested in that because also there's, you know, I've talked to a couple people who have mentioned the possibility of, you know, there have been Taysom Hill comparisons. Could he be used in the offense in some way like that?

But also could he be active on game day as a special teams player, just as a way to do more? Obviously, they are there starting him as a quarterback. the possibility that there could be more on his plate. Yeah, that's up to the Philadelphia Eagles and their coaching staff. They're good coaches. They've got a lot of games there. So I think they're going to do what they feel is the best, sort of their program

and their kids is the best possible to put it in the best possible. And I feel confident that Cole will excel in any role that you ask you to do. Okay. How much, go ahead. You know we can play quarterback in the NFL. Yeah. How much interaction did you have with the Eagles throughout the pre-draft process? You know, just when their scouts came through.

Okay. You went to them. That was in the fall. We didn't have a lot in the spring. I'm sure the Eagles being, you know, in the franchise they are. I want to keep those as tight-lipped as possible. Sure. Sure.

Sure. I'm not supposed to put in. You know? Sure. One thing that people are curious about is, like, the, just sort of the mechanics of, is it any difference for you as a coach to coach a lefty? Well, I'm a lefty. Oh, you are a lefty.

Okay. Yeah. That's, uh, and that's, he's the first last-hanging quarterback I ever chose. Okay. Tom. You can finally, like, bring the side of relief, yeah. And to rewire my own brain. I don't think there's any.

mechanical issues. I think that, you know, he's got a quick release. He's accurate. He's a bond on time. I don't think there's any issues. Okay. Now, what about as a teammate and as a guy? Like, you know, what makes him laugh?

What's his sort of personality like on the day-to-day basis? He is, has a really good social awareness. So we understand when, you know, it's time to kind of relax and light loose, and he understands where it's time to be focusing and to go to work, and he can ebb and flow in those moments, you know. I think that he has a really good knack and understanding how to connect with people

from all different backgrounds, uprange. Okay. That's great. Yeah. Do you have, like, a favorite? moment from him on the field this past season? One thing that sticks out my mind is really right. We were playing South East Missouri State.

Okay. And we had like a deep scissors concept to the field that we had been working all week on. And there was one time in all the 500 clips or whatever we had watched where they had, you know, rolled the coverage a certain way or, you know, handled the switch routes a certain way. and we were going through it. He's like, I would should clip this just in case this happens.

I'm like, yeah, I mean, we should, you know, we could. The Hunter stacked, you know, they're not going to, you know, right? So he, on his owner, was like, yeah, let's just clip this one of my shorts and receivers on Friday. And he would meet with our receivers and tight-ins and running backs on Friday. And he showed him that clip. And sure as heck, they did exactly what we didn't think they were going to do. So I'm handling that switch route, and he threw it to the corner route, which we hadn't really wrapped at all. Interesting.

But, you know, because you're playing a lot somewhat offensively, football-wise, coaching-wise. Of course. His ability to see that and say, hey, you never know, right? It was big time. That was fun. That's awesome. That's great. And so does he then come to the sideline?

And he's like, I told you? No, not at all. We just kind of looked at each other and like, well, under the odds, right? The odds were that they did play it that way, which we didn't think was going to happen, but being prepared for the moment helped him. That's great. Now, I'll also take you back, if you don't mind, because I know before you're a quarterback's coach, you were also a special team's coordinator, and the Eagles draft, Cole Wisniew.

How much work with you do? I was with Cole from his whole career at NDSU and a really talented athlete guy who can do his big, strong, can run, change direction, good space. You know, he cut his teeth on special teams here at NDSU. And when I was the special team coordinator, he was injured for us. So I didn't work with him a lot that year.

Got it. In the previous years, yeah, in the previous years, Yeah, you're going to get another guy who's a good teammate. I know. Do whatever it takes to help the Eagles with. All the Coles, the Bison Coles coming to film an outfit. Yeah, that's right. Awesome.

Well, Coach, thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking the time. Is there anything else who feel like Eagles fans should know about either of one of these guys? Yeah, you're just getting unbelievable humans. They're good people, good families. I think they're going to point themselves into the franchise and help them reach their full potential. Well, thank you so much.

I really appreciate it. All right. Appreciate you. Of course. Thank you for taking the time. Yeah, take care. All right. Have a good office.

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hello everybody and welcome back to the page of the way goes podcast and Brian some interesting film news friend by the way there one really good nugget in there about Col Payton that recognizing that different coverage.

That was cool. Yeah, the scissors concept. You got a post and you got a corner and how the defensive backs back there, you know, kind of deployed themselves against that, the two receivers switching. That was a great nugget. I love that. Lindsay, no doubt, laughing at the concept of a scissors segment, wherever she is. It was a deep scissors.

There you go. Kenny Moore, who has. has been a very good nickel for the Colts over the past several years, but it's getting a little bit long in the tooth, had requested a trade, nobody traded for him, Colts have released him. Do you think that he would make sense for the Eagles as a potential safety comfort? Oh, interesting.

Maybe the fact that they don't have anybody in the building that had worked with him, because it's a projection, right? I think that's what makes it difficult, because I imagine that he'll have a market. You know, I think there are enough team. The Colts have turned over defensive staffs enough in recent years where he's got a, he's got a little bit of a web out there in terms of coaches that he's worked with before. Like if Jonathan Gannon wanted to bring him into Green Bay,

now if Jonathan Bullard's turned into a pretty good nickel, so they might not have like a huge need there. But Tennessee, Gus Bradley's the defensive coordinator there. They definitely have a need in the secondary. So I could see, I could see another team pouncing to try and get them in there fast. but if there's no market, then you want to spend the tires, I could see that.

Okay. We'll be 31 this year. It's a possibility. Do you think that the Eagles have a particular person in mind at safety? If it's not, Michael Carter and Marcus Epps? Or do you think they're playing the waiting game with the assumption that somebody will shake loose?

I think it's probably the latter. I think you're probably playing it out and just seeing how the, how the, how everything falls, how the chips fall. Why? Do you think, you think,

you think, that's me in mind? I'm sure they have, I'm sure they have a group of people they think are possible. Right. Acquisitions. But I don't,

I don't, I don't know that I think it's like a Jonathan Grinard situation where they know they're going to trade for this specific person. I still, I really like the name that you brought up on one of the shows you did with E. Like right after the season. I want to say it was like early February, ish, late Januaryish,

the Grant Delpit idea. Yeah. And then they drafted Emmanuel McNeil Warren. So you would think that that one is more possible. Who my comp for Emmanuel McNeil Warren was. No. Grant Delpit. Okay.

So I could see Delpit being available. I could see that. Maybe the Barry brothers make it make a deal. Okay. Let's get into it. Time to debut a new game. Right. This game is called Goldie.

flocks. And look at that graphic. I mean, just unbelievable. Fantastic work. She whipped that up in a jiffy. I look great. Here's the deal. I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you three different things, three different

categories with a low and a high. And what you have to do is you have to decide which of those three things is going to fall in between those two numbers, which of the three is going to fall. to fall above the high line and which of the three is going to fall below the low line. Okay. Give you kind of an easier one to think through. Okay. So we're going to do, this is all about 2026 projections.

Got it. So Sequin Barclay. I have three different Sequin Barclay categories for you. And these are, these are just what he did in his first two seasons. So the three categories for Sequin Barclay are his total rushing yards this season. you've got on the low end, 1140, and on the high end, obviously, 2,05 rushing yards. So is he going to fall in between those two?

Is he going to fall below the low, above the high? You've also got his receiving yards, and this is a very narrow band, so I'm giving you an easy one that this will not be between, but his receiving yards, 273 and 278. And then his total touchdowns, so rushing and receiving combined, it's nine and 15, and those are just as low and his high over the past two years.

So if you are thinking about Sequin Barclay's 2026 season in the Sean Mannion offense, where would you put the middle, the high, and the low? As we know, this is the most prestigious games of any game that has to do with a fable character. So far. It's still early. if we're going to go off the pure yardage, I am going to go in the middle, I'm going to go in the middle of the 2024 and 2025.

I think it'll be for rushing yards. For rushing yards. Okay. I think it's the biggest number. Yes, correct. Okay. And I feel like he'll be better than last year. And health,

obviously health dependent. And then, obviously not as great as the 2024 season. So I feel like I feel best. about that one. Can I see that graph more time, Lindsay? You're going in the middle of 1,140 rushing yards and 2,05 rushing yards. I think that's the right choice.

Now you have to decide is it going to be more than 278 receiving yards or less than 273 receiving yards? And then the inverse is touchdowns 9 and 15. Which one's going to go high? Which one's going to go low? So I'm going to go north of 278 receiving yards. Okay. and fewer than nine touchdowns.

Oh, interesting. Okay. I just feel like trying to say that he's going to score 16 touchdowns, it's probably rich. And so it's more likely, I mean, you know, you get a couple of close with plays in there in the passing game, and all of a sudden, those receiving numbers get ballooned. So I also think you should have one of the skinny Bob Barker mics for this. Yeah, this feels a little bit like a Price's Right game.

Very much the Price's Right game. Yes. This is good. I enjoy this. This is a good one. Okay. Next up, I have three receivers for you. yeah, well, one tight net.

And this is all receiving yards. Devante Smith's receiving yards. The lowest he's ever had in his career was 833 in 2024. The most was 1,196 in 2022. So is Devante Smith going to go in the middle, above, or below? Dallas Goddard, his lowest receiving yards in a non-rooky season was 496. His highest was 830. That was in 2021.

And then you've got Dante. Tavian Wix, his lowest was last year, 332 receiving yards, and his highest was as a rookie at 581. So, Devante Smith, Dallas Goddard, Dantabian Wix, who's going to fall in the Goldilocks zone of their career production, who's going to go above and who's going to go below? All right. I feel really good about this one. In the middle, let's go Dallas Goddard. Okay. That's a good.

I think that's pretty good, but that means I know where you're going for the hot. For the high, we're going Devante Smith. Okay. Devante can get 1,200 receiving yards. Yep, which I think is very doable. And then Dantamian Wicks, I mean, yeah, we'll say that you added Mackay Lemon, you got the tight ends in there, you know, maybe Stowers, you know, he's playing 30% of the snaps. He steals some of that yardage.

Yeah, let's go. I feel good about this one. Okay. All right. I think that's probably the right choice. I guess you could argue Devante middle because it's a little bit wide. You can argue Dallas gets hurt, but that's no fun. So, yeah, okay.

All right, I got a Jalen Hertz one for you now. Okay. And this one, we've got some extra graphics for. So the three Jalen Hertz categories. One is his rushing yards, his lowest rushing yards in the season, last year at 421, his most 784 back in 2021, the non-AJ Brown season. So those are your two 10 pulls for Jalen Hertz's rushing yards. Now, let's go through his EPA per dropback ranks,

and his ADOT ranks. His EPA per dropback rankings in his five years as a starter. In 2021, he was 13th. In 2022, he was 8th. In 2023, he was 12th in 2024. He was 9th. In 2025, he was 18th. So we are going here between the low end,

I guess the high end is eighth and the low end is 18th. So high is good. Low is bad. And then his A dot ranking, So how far down the field is his average pass going? He has been as high as fourth in the league, which was the last season at 9 and in 2023 at 8.6, and then as low as 19th.

But we're actually doing the numbers here. So it's 7.8 or 9. So will it be a shorter A dot than 7.8 or a deeper A dot than 9.0? And I will tell you for the little bit of context that Jordan Love last year, his A-DOT, was just one ranking spot below Jalen Hurts. He had the fourth deepest in the league at 8.8. Yeah, and there was a huge chasm in those guys with how successful they were on those vertical throws from last year.

Okay. You've got the rushing yards. Yep, thank you. The EPA per dropback rank. Yep. And then the A-DOT. All right. I feel best about EPA per drop-back rank right in the middle.

Okay. Okay. And then I'm going to go, hmm, this is tough. I'm going to go fewer rushing yards. I think that's the trend. It would be hard to expect, you know, to get over. 784, yeah.

Yeah. So then I'm going to go higher a dot. Okay. Deeper a dot, which is not what we expect from this offense, but you got to make a choice. Yeah. No, I think it's doable. Especially, you know, if you get more of those.

The thing is, is that like the vertical throws in this offense should, should look a lot different than the vertical throws in the previous offense. So it'll be fun to watch. All right. Well, I've got a few more for your friend.

We can get to those in Goldie time. I don't necessarily need to save this for tomorrow. I think we can empty out our clip here. I've got four more for you here. This is a fun game. I like this one. Three more for you. So we're halfway.

Next up is the last one on offense. And this is really more about what are we going to see from the structure of the offense. And this is another one where we have some graphics for you. So the things we're doing here are 12 personnel design run rate and under center rate. So we start with the Eagles 12 personnel percentages under Nick Siriani. They have been as low as 20% of the time in 12 personnel.

That was in 2022. And they've been as high as just under 30% of the time. And that was in 2024. So that's a pretty wide band. They've generally been in the second quartile of the league in 12 personnel rate. Next up, you've got under center rate where we know they have been very low in Nick Siriani's career. And we are looking at just the numbers here because their rankings have been only as high as 26th. And they've been as low as dead last in the league.

The numbers we're giving you there. If you could flash up the other one, Lindsay, is, okay. So between 7% and 24%. Those are the numbers for under center. And then the design run rate, we've got between 41% and 52%. 52% of course was number one in the league in 2024. They have never been higher than or lower rather than 13th at 41.4% in 2023. So based on what we know of the Nick Siriani offense,

are they going to fall in the middle, on the high or on the low of 12 personnel, under center rate and design run rate. Lindsay, can I get that original graphic back up again? Thank you. I feel like the design run rate has to be in the middle. Yeah. Because I'm not going higher. Yeah.

I think you're right. I think that's got to be middle. So then it's a matter of what's higher and what's lower. I would say, I mean, looking at this. I would expect both of these to be higher, but in terms of what I think, is more likely to be higher? This is a good one.

I would say I expect probably the, hmm, I could talk myself. Could you go? Could you go designed run rate on the low end? I don't think so. I think they still want to be able to be, because all these offenses want to be able to run the ball. Yeah.

And I think the Eagles know they need to be a run the ball team. They want to be a run the ball team. Could they go on the crazy high end higher than it? I mean, that seems. That seems crazy. That was 52%. I mean, unless the only path to that. They're just a dominant team.

They're just barnstorming teams. Exactly right. That would be the only way, which I don't necessarily see happening, not to the rate that they did. Schedule could be favorable, but yes. Yeah. I expect them to be heavy under center. Heavy-ish under center.

There's no way they can go lower than the low of under center, right? Right. They can't go low there. Yeah, you can't go low there. But if they're lower on the 12 personnel thing, that goes to the conversation you and EJ were having the other day about the statics. But I think I have to go higher on under center because they can't be lower and under center. So I think it's going to be higher under center.

I think that's right. And lower on 12% or on 12 personnel. That's probably it. Yeah. Okay. That's a good one. That's a tough one. Now we have sacks for you.

Okay. Jalen Carter. These are their career highs and lows. Jalen Carter between three and six, Jonathan Grenard between three and twelve, and then Jalick's hunt between one and a half and six and a half. Sheesh. Who's the low man there, though? Yeah. Well, Jaleks can't be the low man there. No, he can't be. Not at one and a half. So I'm going to rule that out right away. So the low man, let's go, Jonathan. Let's go Jalen Carter. I think you have to go Jalen Carter low. Yeah, I think Jalen Carter's low.

And then let me see it. Let me let me see that again one more time, Lindsay. Sorry. Middle and high. Between three and 12. There's between one and a half and six and a half. Grenard is the easy middle, just because you have the widest spread there,

and then Jalick's on the high. Yeah. I think that's the right answer. Yeah. Would you go, would you go over on Jalen Carter? if you didn't have to worry about the other two? Or would you go to me?

Yeah, I would like if I were, if you were just to say, okay, do you think Jalen is high, middle, or low here? Low would be my last choice of the three. If that makes sense, just look in a vacuum. But given the fact that like all the other options, I had to put him low. All right. Last one for you.

I'm here from Jalen Carter in a contract year. Last one for you. The overall defense, their EPA per drive rank. Now the last two seasons, they have been as good as second and as bad as eighth. So those are your two tent polls there. Pro bowlers on defense. They had two in 2024 and four in 2025.

Two in 2024. They had two in 2020. I forgot that. Just Jalen Carter and Zach Bonn. And then I'm returning to the Eli Stowers conversation from yesterday. Eli Stowers' offensive snap percentage. And I'm just making it up 38 and a half and 45%. Those are your high and your low there.

I have a very important question here. And I know your question. I think, what does low mean? For the pro polars on defense, like does two include it? I think two is the low. Okay. Here's what I'm going to say. 0-1-2 is low.

3-4 is the middle. I know that that doesn't really make sense, but that's what I'm going to say. And five or more is the high. Okay. Thank you. Can I see that one more time, Lindsay? So I think So pro ballers on defense

Guys in contention Jalen Carter Jordan Davis Jonathan Grenard Jalick's Hunt Zach Bonn Jihad Campbell if you want to get spicy

Quinion Mitchell Cooper Dejean Dijin Brandon Johnson Rik Wullen I'm gonna go I mean the low I think has to be

Stowers offensive snaps for me here I think I'm going to go low on Stowers And then I think I'm going to go, I think I'm going to go high on Pro Bowler and middle of the pack on EPA per drive. Okay. I think that makes sense. Yeah, just because the dispersal there, because of the range, I think that's the way I'm going to land.

Okay. I think that makes sense. All right. There you go. That was a fun name. You were excited about this one, and I think you were rightful to be excited. You know, I was a little bit excited, but I was more excited once I saw Lindsay's grass. traffic. Yeah, that's for that's that was really good. I enjoyed that. All right, good stuff.

I guess that'll do it for this episode of the pH of I Eagles podcast friend. Tomorrow you'll be joining me as well. Maybe talk a little bit NFC East. Yeah. It'll take it around and then some some draft process discussion that you'd like to have. Yeah, I've got a I've got a couple good good questions for you. So we'll uh, we could do that. And then and the NFC East one. I think that's important just kind of look to a little, uh, temperature check. Yeah. Yeah. So it's going on around the division. All right. Make sure that you guys remember that the diehard draft event is available for you to sign up. Tuesday, May 19th, 6 to 8 o'clock.

Die hearts, get in and watch Fran do some guys. It's going to be a lot of fun. And then good luck to the Flyers tonight. Bye, guys. We will see you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. Thank you, Lindsay. Thank you everybody else. Comment, like the video, all that good stuff.

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