PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Is the Eagles’ coaching carousel still spinning?

Episode Date: January 29, 2026

Will Vic Fangio return as Eagles defensive coordinator next season? Will Jeff Stoutland’s role change? Bo Wulf and EJ Smith discuss the potential coaching changes, the offensive coordinator search, and are joined by Fran Duffy from the Senior Bowl to get the latest on which NFL draft prospects may stand out to the team. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

That's the guest. And I just felt like. Hello, everybody. And welcome to the P.H.O. my Eagles podcast live from the Xfinity studio and presented by Bet365 and Ashley. Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith. Brandon Graham just walks out. Good time.

From unblocked to the P.H.O. My Eagles podcast. We are here. Let's get into it. We've got Fran Duffy on the line. Senior ball practice about to begin. So we are getting him live on the show. the next 10 to 15 minutes to talk draft stuff. We will get to the conversation in the chat as well.

But let's go right now to the Xfinity Mobile call in line and welcome in our friend, Fran Duffy. Oh, with a field view, Fran. How you doing? Doing great, guys. It's the last day of practice down here in Mobile. So a little bittersweet, but also excited to be heading home too. What did you do last night?

Watch some tape, had some wings and watch some more tape. What's that? Where are you getting the wings from? A local place. No, close to the hotel. Yeah, a local place close to the hotel. I didn't go nuts last night. All right.

Let's get to the guys who you have been watching over the past couple days. And these are some of the players that you wanted to touch on from yesterday's action. Max Ihanachore who we talked about on whatever day it was.

I don't know what day it is. Don't ask me. I have no idea. whatever it is. The Arizona State Offensive lineman had a bit of a poppy day. Yeah. So on Tuesday's practice, the first day of practice, it was a little bit up and down. And then when you watch him yesterday, I thought he really bounced back. The tape was really good from Wednesday's action. So I'm excited to see can he finish off strong here. He's talking about his size. He's six, five and a half, close to six six, over 320 pounds. He moves really, really well. So all the trace to develop. Again, this is a player.

if you missed a segment earlier this week that has not played a ton of football, did not play football until he got to the junior college level, has played only right tackle, but extremely athletic. He's got outstanding physical traits. So a guy that you can develop to me looks like a future starter, the traits are all there for him to be that level of player, potentially a high quality one. So I'm interested to see what he looks like today. If he can continue that positive momentum. And you're still thinking this is a guy as like late first? I think he's got the traits to be. And that's the thing is I would expect that he's going to go to the combine. He's going to blow the doors off that. And so we're going to start to hear more

about a haunted for his name. Because if you have a good senior bowl and then you have a good combine at that size, at that position, those guys usually go top 40, top 50. Comment in the chat says Fran looks stoned as hell. No, not the case. No. I did have. Yeah. It's because the sun is in your eyes. You're squinted. And look, I had a, I had a brisket sandwich about an hour ago. Not a little bit of something, but I'll definitely not stone. All right. Who is who is Malachi Fields, the wide receiver who made a big play yesterday?

Yeah, he's a wide receiver from Notre Dame. Now, he began his career at Virginia. And if you go into the draft guy, the diehard draft guy, and get the whole background on fields. But he was a high school quarterback who played right away as a wide receiver. So made the position switch. They put him on the field and he was productive right away, a big part of the offense. I've been hearing about this kid from his former Virginia teammates for years.

They've all been raving about him. He transfers to Notre Dame this past year. It was one of their top receivers in that offense. He's a big kid. He gets after it as a blocker. He can go up and get it. He honestly has made one of the best catches I've ever seen down here at the senior bowl yesterday in practice.

You can find it on social media where he was a deep post route and he had to adjust, looked it in through his eyelids and finished down the field. And I had to adjust his track to go and find it, made the catch through the ground. Phenomenal, phenomenal catch. And again, for a bigger player who can block, there's a lot to like certainly about Malkai Fields. You said he could block and all of a sudden, my ears perked up a little bit there.

So I guess, I mean, I was going to ask about the Eagles fit. I mean, I got my answer right there. And what is this like this is a day two guy? Yeah, I think to me, when I looked at him in the summer,

I thought, oh, you're probably looking like round three, round four. I know there are some that really like him. I'm pretty sure Daniels or Amaya had him in his top 50. It might have even, it might be even be in his mock draft that he dropped earlier this week.

So I didn't quite see him there. But he has been one of the best receivers down here. certainly. I would say it's probably not a great wide receiver group for the senior bowl, like by senior bowl standards. But I would say he's been one of the best two or three here, certainly this week. Now, Fran, how about Caleb Banks, another defensive tackle out of Florida? What's, what's he shown you down there? Yeah, this is a guy that was one of my top players in the country coming into the season. Now, he only played three games. He played one game early on in the fall and then was put on the shelf. He had foot surgery, came back, which is actually,

that's a nice marker there for, you know, in his court is that he came back to play for a Florida team that was not good and had fired their coach and fought to come back and play. But you're talking about a guy who was a fifth year senior, 320 plus pounds, had a pretty major foot injury that cost him a lot of the last 12 months. And so what kind of player are you getting? I was interested to see what he would look like down here. A little bit of a lackluster first day, very similar to Yonator, but then he comes out yesterday. One of ones was still just okay. But in the team periods, I thought he really popped. He's a ready made run defender with pass rush upside.

So I'm excited to see what Banks looks like out here today as well. Before we get to the other two guys you want to highlight, since we're talking about receivers, I wanted to follow up on the John Carroll guy that we talked about on Monday. How has he looked? Yeah, he's continues to pop. I mentioned that Fields has been one of the top two or three receivers. I think you would put Tyron Montgomery from John Carroll right in that group as well.

He's been one of the top handful of receivers here. I'm going to do a like all senior ball team. that'll be up for diehards at some point in the next couple days. And I think that he's going to be on that list. When you look at Montgomery, he made a nice catch down the field. He's got some vertical ability. So I'm excited to continue to see what he could put on film here today. All right.

Now, the highlights that I have seen from yesterday included the Malachi Fields catch. And then they also included an interception, I believe, to end practice by Jacob Rodriguez, who I believe you said is like very clearly the top linebacker there. Yeah, he's a, he's a, he's a play. I mean, look, he won basically every award, a linebacker could win in college football this year. It was extremely productive, was, you know, was getting Heisman votes. So he did everything he could for that Texas Tech defense. He's got a unique background as well, goes to Virginia, ironically, just like Malachi Fields,

as a quarterback and was like a hybrid, you know, Tastom Hill offensive weapon, his first year. Transfers after that goes back to Texas Tech and settles in on defense. And, I mean, he's a big kid who's like 235, 240 pounds. he looks athletic here. He's been around the football a lot. He had a strip. He had a fourth fumble in team period where he punched it out of him, a peanut punch.

He had a bunch of those this season, but had one in practice and then ends it with the interception. The one critique he would have, if you go and you watch the interception, it was a diving interception to the ground. He immediately just like jumped up and took his helmet off celebrating. It's like, no, man, like you're in the NFL now. You got, you got, that ball is still live.

But all the guys were all celebrating because it ended practice. So Jacob Rodriguez certainly is showing up here. And then how about James? Braden Ott, Fran. Is this is a guy who has maybe changed your opinion on him at all? Well, the thing with Ott is that he's been on like the draft radar for three, four years. He was at Cal playing with Fernando Mendoza a few years ago. And everyone's like, oh, like this guy is going to be, you know, maybe a second round pick, third round pick, dynamic. He gets hurt in 2024, barely plays for Cal.

So he goes back for another year and he transfers just like Mendoza. This day, he, he transfers to Oklahoma. So everyone thought, oh, he's going to be the lead back for Oklahoma. He was like third string, fourth string. most of the year. He barely played for the sooner. So got an invitation to come down here. And it was going to be a big opportunity for him. I think he showed up well. He's made some plays as a runner and as a pass catcher. But he was the best past protection back in drills that I saw from that from that team in yesterday's practice. So Jate and not doing the little things needed

that are going to be required to help his draft stock. Any relation to Mel? I don't think so. I'll dive deeper into the draft guy to confirm that. Okay. All right. Well, before we let you go, friend what are you excited to watch today yeah I'm excited to take a little bit deeper into these offensive linemen and defensive lineman obviously I know a lot of eagles fans are looking at who are some of these offensive playmakers as I said earlier like the receiver class is just okay by senior bowl standards down here so I'll tell you what the tight end that we talked about the other day Nate Borkature he's made some nice catches down the seam over the course of practice so I'm excited I want to see Justin Jolie pop a little bit he's drawn a bunch of PI flags

but it hasn't had like that big catch yet. So I'm hoping that we can see him pop a little bit. That's how it from NC State. So what's the next phase look like for you, Fran, now that practice is almost over. What's next in the draft guy itinerary here? Yeah, I think so next will be, well, focus on first. We'll be, all right, like, let's wrap up senior bowl notes.

Make sure all that gets into the draft guide. So you can go in and you say, like, all right, how did so-and-so do with the senior ball? How did Malachi Fields look? Here's a two or three or four sentence blur up from Fran on how Malachi Fields looks. So every player that saw the practice field, I'll make sure I have a little blurb up on all those players, all the heights and weights, all updated, all that. Then after that, it's going to be, all right, who are some of the top underclassmen that I haven't gotten to yet?

And I think the next thing will be a big board that'll come out. So I'll probably put that big board out in the next week or so. So that'll be the next area of focus for me. All right. Well, Fran, we miss you. We're going to be away next week. So we're not going to see you for another week plus. But good to see you this way.

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All right. We're back on the P.O.Y. Eagles podcast. How are you doing, E.J.? I'm okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of question. I'm excited, but I want to say this.

I am excited to do the show. that is the constant. Yes. I would say. Yeah. What's going on with the Eagles? Let's do that first. Yeah, I think we talked about it.

You said before the show this morning, let's see. Hold on. Let's see if I can dig up this text. The positive energy giver? No. If news doesn't break before the show, which we're expecting potential news.

Oh, no, don't read that. not doing that anymore. You're not going to... No, I'm not. You're not going to do that anymore? I mean, I can give you a half-hearted, but no. I'm not going to... Can I read what you wrote at least?

Yeah, you can read what I wrote. It's fine. And this one is, you knew what you were doing. Yeah, I knew. Yeah, this was not an unintentional. I didn't stumble into this one. Yeah, he said, if news doesn't break before the show, I'm going to sell you some Cooter today. So you're going to make the case that Jim Bob Cooter, who is in for a second interview.

with the Eagles would be a good resolution. I could do that at some point in the show. We've got some interesting things to talk about, though. Okay, you want to do the Vic thing instead? Yeah, I think we should talk about the speculation around the coaching staff. I feel like that is probably pertinent above me selling you some Jim Bob Cooter here.

Okay. So, yeah, ever since... You could call it that. Ever since the Schaefter speculation yesterday. Which was in our show yesterday, but maybe you didn't make it past, maybe it didn't get to the part that was, you watched, I don't know. A lot of stuff going on. Yeah.

So I think we can talk through some of these possibilities that we talk through with more insight and with more. I think it's worth having another discussion about it. I just talked about it with Brenna Graham. Yeah, I think the rumor is out there that all of this hinting could be about Vic Fangio deciding to retire. Yes. And that is not an unfounded rumor. It is something we have heard that is not definitely going to happen, but that it is a possibility. Yeah.

What do you make of that? What I would say is that nothing is definitive. There's not 100% here, but it's certainly on the table. I saw Mike Garifolo on Anthony's show this morning said that Fangio considered retirement last off season as well. You know, my understanding is like the way that I heard it put is like Fangio probably considers retirement every, you know, every Thursday before noon, right? You know, that there's always times during the season where he probably says to himself, this is, this is it. You know, he's 67 years old. He really made no, he didn't try to dress it up.

When he took the job with the Eagles, he said he wanted this to be. his last stop. Yeah. So, you know, we have that, we have that quote, Lindsay. You know, he said, when he took the, this is, and during his introductory press conference, he said, my kids live two hours south of here. My mother, who's 97, lives two hours north of here. So there's a lot of family considerations. I was a big Philly fan growing up in all sports. So it was a thrill for me to go to work every day at Veterans Stadium 40 years ago because I used to go to games all the time. And now it's going to be a thrill to come back 40 years later and hopefully finish it out here. So again, he had retirement in mind even when he took the job.

Obviously, he's had two great seasons as the Eagles defensive coordinator. And I do. I think that there is a real possibility that he will eventually make his mind up that he is going to retire and that the Eagles will have to find another defensive coordinator. I think

it probably goes without saying that that is the single worst thing that could happen to the Eagles in the short term. Yes. This offseason. Yeah. I mean, We talked a lot about how Vic Fangio was the glue that held it together last year. Obviously, there's this prolonged search for the offensive coordinator position,

and depending on how that plays out, you may feel differently about the offense. But no, the Eagles are set up over the next few years to be a defense-led team. And Vic Fangio is a big reason why we feel that way. So, no, it's a significant loss. He is one of the best defensive play callers of a generation, you know? Right. And not for nothing, they'll be getting into this coaching carousel. Or, you know, if he retires, they will be getting into this process much later with a lot of defensive coordinators off the board.

So, no, it is an unfavorable position for them to be in. But again, I do think it's important to point, like to balance it out by saying this has always been something that you would have had to bake in when you hire Vigfangio. Yes. but, boy, would it make the Eagles organization look poorly run if in conjunction with this offensive coordinator search not going the way that they wanted it to go? Also, the Vick thing happening in a way

that clearly catches them off guard and shows that they weren't fully in lockstep with what Vick needed to do. We don't know the specifics of this. I was going to say the one thing. But then letting Christian Parker go, who may not have been the replacement. So I've got two things there. The first thing is I'm not sure what the driving force for Vicks decision making is.

So I want to be respectful to that. Because, again, I'm not going to guess on what it is it made. That would lead to him considering it this far into this process. So without knowing that, maybe that is a factor. And also, he fully deserves to be able to make that decision on his own time. Absolutely. So, yeah, even if there is an. anything. He has earned the right to take his time making that decision. And it's the type of thing.

Like if Vic Fangio is considering it, you're not telling him I need the decision, you know, in 24 hours. You're going to give him as much time as he wants because of the fact that you'd love to have him back. And I'm sure that the Eagles will, you know, be, you know, advocating for him to come back for another season. So with the Christian Parker, because I've heard this argument a lot, you know, people saying, well, this can't be true because the Eagles wouldn't have let Christian Parker leave if Vic Fangio was considering retirement. The Eagles weren't really in a position to block Christian Parker from interviewing or taking a defensive coordinator job.

And if you're Christian Parker, again, I just mentioned earlier that Vic Fangio has been he considered retirement last off season. If it's something that's been on the table for Vic for a while, if you're Christian Parker, you're not going to sit there and wait. I mean, unless it is written in your contract, that it is your job whenever Vith retires. That's exactly right. You're not going to sit there and wait for the possibility that they want to hire you as defensive coordinator on the possibility that Vic Fangio will retire. So I don't think those things

are as linked as people have been suggesting. I think, yes, if Vic Fangio had made the decision the day after the season, I'm hanging it up, I'm going to end it here, I'm going to retire, then yes, the Eagles would have probably said to Christian Parker like, yeah, you are one of the leading candidates, but even still, it's not a guarantee that he was going to get the job. So I don't think that that's a reason to say that this isn't going to happen. Again, I don't think that anything's 100% with us. I don't think it's imminent, but I do think that there's a real possibility, and I don't think that Christian Parker really factors into that. Yeah. BG mentioned, you know, Jim Schwartz has a possibility bringing him back. He's obviously potentially available if the

Browns let him out of his deal. It's interesting. It would be, it's a totally different scheme. It is as big a departure on the secondary as you possibly could get. And also a humongous departure from the way the Eagles have been building their roster with Vic Fangio. You think of a player like Milton Williams, even though he's been a topic of conversation for us, but you think of Milton Williams and Bryce Huff, like two players that were on the team last year, that Vic, two years ago now,

that Vic Fangio was okay figuring out how to build without. If you have Jim Schwartz, he is the exact opposite. I need four edge rushers, I need a deep rotation of disruptive interior rushes, I don't care about this. Don't draft the safety in the second round. Don't draft the linebacker in the first round. The team building has really departed from that.

And I'm not saying that that's the reason you don't bring in Jim Schwartz. I think that the schematic side of it, I mean, it would be such, like, we have gotten so used to seeing the Eagles in odd man fronts with two high shell. Jim Schwartz could not be more different. We've seen the Eagles utilize a heavy zone coverage, you know, quarters and cover three a lot. The Eagles could not be more different under Jim Flores. It will be man coverage, four down fronts, disrupting up front. It's going to change. It would change so much.

And the last thing I want to say about it is that, well, two things. So the first thing is that, like, the Cooper de Jean role would be fascinating. And then it would have a sudden become less valuable. No, I disagree. I think that Cooper de Gene, you put him in the Malcolm Jenkins role, and he'd be incredibly valuable. Oh, interesting. But he would not be, and shout out to Fran, because, you know, him and I talked about this. I don't want to act like I came up with it on my own.

But, no, I think Cooper de Gene, you play him in the Malcolm Jenkins role, but he's more of a safety than a nickel corner in that situation. Zach Bonn is the interesting one. I don't know. We'll talk through some other options here, but, and I know, like, for Eagles fans, Eagles fans are probably like, to get a little bit too ahead of ourselves. Yeah, but I mean, this is another, this is another time where I'm going to say,

well, what do you think that they talk about in the building? Yeah, yeah. You know, like, we're not saying it's definitive. We're not, like, saying it's time to figure out what's next, but these are the conversations you have. Clint Hurt Yeah Is also someone who's on the staff

And has defensive coordinator experience Nick Rallis is out there I have got some thoughts about Rallis But go on let's keep going No I mean again we don't we don't have to put the cart too far Well I mean we can just listen to Sean McDermott Sean McDermott yeah And then it's interesting because they like for instance

They have already hired Joe Casper Yeah as as the second Creation Progress replacement. So they've already filled out some of the staff. Like you would think that Jim Schwartz would want to bring people with him. Yeah. And I don't know. Like Joe Casper again, like too high shell.

Yeah. Like, and now all of a sudden it's like, okay, now this guy is like the leading coach for Sinkla High structure in the NFL. Like that's a big departure. You probably think the same thing of Sean McDermott that he would want to bring people with him. Whereas Rallis might be more plug and play. So I would say Bobby King, I had him on the list as well. I mean, just because he is, I've seen him on the headset during the. training camp, you know, he does have a pretty involved role on Van Gio staff here.

To me, Rallis is the one that I would find that interesting. I think if you hired Rallis, obviously he was Eagles linebackers coach under Jonathan Gannon. He was the, he's been the defensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals under Gannon and is now available. To me, he is like, it's funny because I've actually had conversations with people before, like when Jihad Campbell and Nekobie Dean were both healthy. in the second half of the season. I had conversations with people about like,

well, if Rallis were here, would they just play like a 3-3-5, like a true three interior linemen, three linebackers, and basically play out of nickel the whole game. And I really do think that Rallis would look at those three linebackers, that trio of linebackers, and go, I could do something with that.

So, I mean, it would change a lot about what they do up front. It would be very interesting, though. So I don't know. I think Rallis would be kind of fun. obviously again, they're not going to do better than Vic Fanjew here. I know, you just cannot overstate. I'm going to keep saying it. You know, I'm Mr. Qualifies, so I'm going to qualify it every time I say it.

But schematically, like, I think I would be more intrigued by how this defense would look with Rallis than I would with Jim Schwartz. The other thing with Schwartz is, like, did he leave the building on the best terms? Oh, I think that's a fair question. Oh, you think it's fine. Okay. I think it's fine. I think Jim Schwartz and Howie Roseman speak the same language. Okay, that's fair.

Like, they can, are they like, I mean, I don't know if you and I have this relationship, but are they the type that, like, they could have, like, a knockdown, drag out, like, yelling, like, they could just be screaming at each other. Yes. And then the next day, it's like, I love you, man. You're just the best.

I don't know that the I love you man is ever coming. Oh, it's just like they haven't understand. They'll mother, they'll mother eff you. Yeah. And then they're just, they're, well, you're good at your job, so that's fine. Yeah, there's a mutual respect. Yeah, they appreciate being good at your job. Yeah, I think that's fair.

I just, you know, listen. You cannot overstate the importance of Vic Fangio. I mean, they went from the worst defense in football to the best defensive football in one year. Yeah. It was the lifeblood of the team this year. Like, if that defense with the exact same personnel this year had, you know, just pick a random defensive coordinator,

they're probably very mediocre. Yes. And they are very talented, no doubt about it. But like some of the stuff, you know, you hear that maybe Vic's superpower is like just his play calling. Yeah. And to lose that is alone a significant thing. So, yeah, we'll see.

Yeah, not an ideal situation. Any other thoughts you want to get off your chest on this? I mean, I hit on everything, I think. I just, I want to harp on, like, the Eagles have changed the way that they build their defenses the last two years. And I just, I don't know. Could they at least get them to, like, evaluate free agents in the draft? I mean, yeah, just watch every edge rusher in the NFL and be like, you think that guy can play off my linebacker?

Yeah. No, it would be a significant shift depending on who they bring in. All right. Let's take another break. We'll come back with more here on the P.HLY Eagles podcast. Let's talk about Mars men. For those of you out there dealing with energy crashes in the afternoon or maybe some unexpected weight gain, it's important to know you're not alone and that Mars men may be the right

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Back on the PHLY Eagles podcast, Bow and EJ. Let's get to this breaking Eagles news here first. Yeah, so let me make sure I got the attribution correct here. According to Jordan Schultz, the Eagles are bringing in Josh Grizzard for an in-person interview. This will be his second interview with the Eagles. He was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers offensive coordinator last season. We talked about him. At the time we talked about him, I think I said he was my prediction,

like the guy who was most likely to get the job. I mean, if we're just talking the three guys they brought in for a second interview, he splits the difference, you know. I think he's the most interesting of the guys that have been brought in for a second interview. I will go as far as saying that. Yeah. I mean, Mannion is interesting in a different way. Yeah, but Mannion is like,

Manion is a home run swing for a team that, I mean, is in a situation where I don't know if they can afford the variance. And we talked about that. I don't, I think Josh Grizzar, Grizzard is very interesting. You know, again, I've said it on the show before. I think he is, like, more well thought of in coaching circles and maybe from like an external perspective,

not necessarily somebody that, you know, you see a lot of like cutups of their scheme online. But again, I do think that there is a respect for him and what he's done with Tampa's offense, even with a lot of the injuries. I think so too. I think that would be a fine outcome. It would be not a home run,

but you would think that, yeah, he has a year of having, learned what not to do. Yeah. There's not quite as much of a, you know, proven downside. They did have some mitigating factors. I don't know that he would be given the level of autonomy that, you know, some people want this next coordinator to have, nor would he necessarily bring that much

of a staff with him. But I think it would be interesting. Yeah. Now, what do you make of the Schaefter report? he was talking on a sports center last night and he I don't know I mean he mentioned I would honestly my interpretation

would be that it was intentional he mentioned that you know the Eagles have Nick Siriani who can always call the offense if needed what did you make of that I think if I was an Eagles fan that would that would terrify me

yeah I've seen the argument like it's like kind of like when Jeffrey Lurie put Chip in charge of personnel it's like either sink or swim, like figure it out. I don't think, I don't know if that's a good thing for people who want the Eagles

to win a Super Bowl next year. And I also, yeah, well, and that's why I don't think Jeffrey's doing that, because that chip year was different. That was more, like, you were at an arc in the franchise where it's like, okay, let's figure out if this guy is worth turning the whole thing around for.

Yeah, if you're a team. Being a head coach-led organization. Right. This is a team that is like, Our Super Bowl window is probably closing. Yes. If you're a team that is happy to go 9 and 7. You can't waste a year.

10 and 7, 11, and 6. Proving a point. Then fine. Yeah, exactly. Maybe the clarity long term is more valuable to you than the one season. But I don't think the Eagles are in that situation. Totally agree. Now, the other report that we wanted to talk about was Jeff McLean, my former colleague,

reported that on his podcast, uncovering the birds, about Jeff Stoutland's role potentially being diminished. midway through the season. You know, Jeff Soutland is obviously the Eagles offensive line coach, but also has been the run game coordinator, and he had some of those responsibilities according to Jeff McLean. He had some of those responsibilities

taken off of his plate midway through the year. To me, I find that interesting because we hear so much talk about the net positive that Jeff Soutland provides for a team as a, you know, as an offensive line coach, the development of players that, you know, it's apparent what he's done

to develop a lot of players on that offensive line. But, you know, the lack of motion, the lack of a run game that's married to the past, I do think have sometimes tied into what the scheme that Jeff Stoutland runs. So especially we saw the Eagles using different formations and using more motion toward the end of the season. I do find that report very interesting. I think it's very interesting Yeah First of all And a good job by Jeff

Yeah absolutely I mean it didn't get any better Oh for sure Yeah no I mean So I think these two things are actually in In conversation with each other Where I mean you're going to tell me that Nick can be the play caller

Meanwhile Nick made the decision to Try to change the running game To no success No I don't know No I completely agree I mean and it's especially this is one thing that I've been thinking about with the discourse around Jeff Stoughtlin,

and this isn't about Jeff McClain's report, it's about kind of what led in, like, during the second half of the season, you heard a lot about like, you know, does Stoutland deserve more blame for the way the run game looks? And, you know, has Stoutland lost his fastball? I just feel like he earned more equity than that than to, like, have one bad season fall at the feet of like the offensive line coach that brought you, you know, Jordan Milata, Jason Kelsey, Lane Johnson, so on and so forth. Like, to me, I felt like he deserved more credit for that than blame for the one season.

It didn't go well. And if Jeff's reporting, I mean, I am confident in Jeff's reporting here, I think that this even further reinforces it. You know, I think that there is a chance that, again, maybe like the way that they operate in the run game isn't always conducive to like some of the modern elements we see from other offenses, the Shanahan McVeigh stuff. But the Eagles had a historic run game with him as their run. game coordinator two seasons ago at this point. So I do think that discourse probably went a little too far around Jeff Sallon, especially with what we know now. I think that's, I think that's fair. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do you think that that puts his future here in question? Well, I mean, it's a good question just in the sense, I think at this point in the offensive coordinator search,

it's probably less so. But I do think that, especially if you're bringing in a McVe-Shannahan-influenced offensive coordinator. I wonder if they, you know, we've heard about the Cliff Kingsbury reservations. Like, I wonder if there is a, like, a hesitation or reservations from guys from that tree on how it works together, you know? Again, like Kingsbury last year was, you know, obvious or apparent because of Zach's reporting on that subject. So I don't think, I think that if you were a good, or offensive coordinator candidate,

especially at this part, at this time, you know, this. you know, where we are now with this search, where, you know, it's the Josh Grizzards and Jim Bob Cooters of the world, I don't think those guys are saying, you got to get rid of Jeff Stoutland and the Eagles are like, great. You know, I think if Mike McDaniel had said it,

that would have been a more interesting conversation. So I think it'll still stay on as offensive line coach. I wonder how the run game changes next season, depending on who they bring in. You think Nagy is still in the mix? I don't think you can discount him, But, I mean, I don't know. I think, yeah, I don't think you can discount them.

Sorry. No, you got back-to-back pods, man. Yeah, it's been a long couple days. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, we want to talk about that now? I mean, I feel like we kind of have to now. Okay, a couple things.

Two things we've got to talk about. One, obviously, I am not prepared. to talk about Dan McQuaid yet. I would like to do that. I need a little bit more time to get my thoughts together. Yeah. I am just heartbroken and thinking of him and his family.

And a great friend of the show. So I think tomorrow we will talk a little bit about Dan. Yeah. The other thing, yes, the people in the chat are discussing the show a little bit less handsome, much less handsome than in the past. Not our news to discuss, but I will say two things. One is, I think it's very fair to say that I have not heard from people anything they liked more about PHOI than our newsletter. It's like nothing that we do has a higher approval rating than that. Fantastic.

I hope we get to see it again. And I think we've all probably been places where decisions were made above your head that you really truly frustratingly disagreed with and we're angry about. So I think you can all respect that that is the thing. Okay. That's good. We'll take a break. We'll come back and gather our thoughts.

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We start with Pat Fienis, who says if Vic leaves, how tempted would Jeffrey be to just fire Nick and bring in Sean McDermott to be the head coach? I don't think that that would be on the table. No, there's a guy who I think did not leave on good terms. Yeah, yeah. You would probably, I'll defer to your reporting. Of the ex-Eagles defensive coordinators available. No. I don't know.

I said it earlier. I'm going to keep banging the drum. Yeah, but they're not firing Nick. Yeah. And I really think Jim Schwartz would make sense from like a proven play caller. I'll be honest, I was really disappointed that Jim Schwartz was so disappointed with not getting the head. coaching job in Cleveland because I thought him and Todd Munkin would have been very fun together. Like just two like thing going around about mungonly old coaches.

When he was in Cleveland a couple of years ago, like talking to people before the game about how much he hates the organization, how much of a clown show it is. Well, he's there to turn him around, right? So no, I would have enjoyed those two as like a dueling curmudgins. I think that would be. I like, but I actually, I think that would have been too long for Jim to be in the same place. I like Jim as a traveling defensive coordinator

because it's more impressive when he then turns a defense around. Yeah, that's fair. And he, I mean, if Vic Fangio retires, is Jim Schwartz like the new Vic Fangio? Like the, you know, I guess he wants another head coaching.

I think Jim Schwartz's year by year track record is better than Vicks. But Vic is a different type of coach. Part of being Vic Fangio is like being like the, like when you hear oh, they need a Vic Fangio for the offense,

which by the way, way doesn't exist. We talked about it on yesterday's show. Or did we talk about this on yesterday show? I talked about it sometime. I don't know. Yeah, it's like Groundhog Day, right? I've found, I'll look for it after I make this point.

Being Vic Fangio, like the veteran defensive coordinator that's not going anywhere, actually like, Jim Schwartz isn't that. Jim Schwartz wants to be a head coach. So you don't actually have the, like, you know, the trust. Yeah, but he doesn't get interviews. Maybe you will. All right, so Mike Clay put this out on Twitter. I'll give him credit for it.

Michael Clay? No, not Michael Clay, Mike Clay. Michael Clay. At Mike Clay NFL on a social media. Special teams coordinator, yeah. I know the, I mean, I know the Eagles coordinators. I know you think I'm divorced from a team, but.

Who's he be? Zach Bond. MC on Twitter. He has a spreadsheet where he keeps track of all of the different hires across the NFL. And if you look, I mean, this is bad showmanship for me, because I just have it here. But if you look, like, there are almost, I don't think there's a single play-calling offensive coordinator

that has been in their job longer than two years because of the fact that, like, if you are a successful play-calling offensive coordinator, you get snatched up, especially with this coaching cycle. And, you know, if Vic retires, that's going to be somewhat the case on defense, too. I mean, some of it is a product of how much turnover there was this year. But, I mean, that thing that we started,

that we started to hear about, when the Eagles fired Kevin Petulow, it doesn't really exist. It's kind of a myth. Like, if you're good. Pat Schumer. Yeah, I mean, if they're really good, they're not going to keep their job. Yeah, exactly. You could find an old guy who can get you to like 18th.

Yeah. Yep. But not probably top 10. And if, I mean, any, even an old guy, if you get you a top 10, he's going to get a job somewhere. Todd Munkin just got a job. That's fair. I don't know that Pet Schermer's getting another job. Did you?

Did you see that Jim Bob Cooter is interviewing for the Giants job too, apparently? I have to verify that. I don't like that. That is the first smart thing the Giants have done in the past 15 years is trying to bait the Eagles into thinking that Jim Bob Cooter actually has a market. They need to offer him the job now. This is the first time they have been playing chess, not checkers, in forever. Great job by the Giants.

According to Peter Schroger, I want to make sure I'd. give proper attribution. That's a great job by them. Listen, I am very skeptical that John Harbaugh can change anything about that organization, but if this is the kind of stuff they're going to start doing, watch out. 5D chess. Watch out. Who, I mean, I know what you're going to say, and I'll talk to Anthony about it tomorrow,

and he'll say the opposite. Which job do you think is more attractive? Well, I mean, what's your goal? To be a successful offensive coordinator in the NFL? Well, I know it's not that simple. I mean, if you're Jim Bob Cooter, you want to be a coach. On a year-by-year basis, this job is way better. I agree.

But if you're just, if you just want stability and to limit downside, then that job's better, yeah. Obviously, I agree. But, yeah. Okay. Good job by the Giants. I'm very impressed by that. Giant Cooter? Shout out to.

You got a reaction on Lindsay, at least. I can't read. the names in the chat. I'm sorry, chat. I wish I could read them. I'm just, I'm getting old, man. I got some doctor's appointments, some dentist appointments coming up. This is like, take care of yourself season. Yeah. You got anything coming up? You taking care of yourself? I got a dentist appointment that it's like six months overdue. Hmm. They're the best ones. They're the best ones. I mean, if you keep putting it off, they're the best ones. I just got a new toothbrush. What do you mean? I mean, I don't like, I hate going to the dentist. Oh. Yeah.

So it's good to just not do them. Yeah. I just got new toothbrush. Okay. Great. Congratulations. My wife's... Electric or what? Yeah. Come on. Okay. What are we doing here?

My caveman. My wife's dentist, which is also my dentist, I guess. Why would you then call him that? Because she went and I didn't go. They told her that like the ones that just vibrate, I don't know why I'm doing this, but the ones that just vibrate. I never get into the good stuff. Okay, let's talk. The ones that just vibrate aren't actually good.

Like, you know. You want penetration as well. No. No. No. The ones that spin. You want them to spin. Okay.

If they just do this, if they just vibrate, then it's not good enough. Like, it's just a toothbrush. You want the ones that have the brush heads that spin. Okay. So we went to Costco the other day. You know, we're snowed in. Got to do something.

So we go to Costco. Then you weren't snowed in. Well, you know, like we were working remote. We had our snowed in. What was it called? That's that I can't remember. What was what called? We had a name for it.

Your wife's dentist? my wife's dad does sound weird we went to Costco they had those things on sale I'm like there was a two pack for on sale

I was like yeah snatch it up it was great so did you do how do you use it yet oh yeah I mean

what am I not brushing my teeth yeah well I know use it multiple times okay and what do you think I'm a fan it's got three settings

it's got like easy or it's got like like sensitive and it's got what they call whitening, which is just the second hardest setting. And then the third one that's like, we'll like rip your gums off.

So I aspire. It really feels like we're just talking about vibrators now. My head is never in the gutter like this. I mean, you guys can do what you want. If you guys want to take it that way, then that's fine. But I'm just sitting here talking toothbrushes. Teethers are looking good.

Thank you. I got two weeks or no, I'm going not next week because we'll be at Super Bowl, but the week after, we're going to the dentist. We, uh, Rachel and I, we have the same toothbrush, but switch the heads off. So there's no way you're telling me the truth. I don't know why you, do doubt what I'm just telling you the truth about something in my life. Wait, that is so weird. You guys use one toothbrush.

Well, it's this, it's, you know, it's the same. It's the, you know. Why can't you just get another body? We probably could, but what's the point? We were, we just, we'll swap the heads. What happens? What happens? Like, next week, what are you going to do for a toothbrush? Well, then I have a travel toothbrush.

Oh, yeah, you got to have a travel brush. Yeah, of course. But that doesn't absolve you. That doesn't absolve you. You're only having one toothbrush. Like, can you tell me? What do you do with that? What are you doing with the same base?

You're going to make the three. What do you do with the toothbrush head when it's not on the toothbrush? It goes, if it's mine, if mine is the one that usually stays on there and then she'll swap hers in and swap it up. What is that about? What is this patriarchal nonsense? I agree with you. on her then. I agree with you.

She doesn't buy herself just in another body. That's kind of on her. Is it an expensive toothbrush? It's an expensive toothbrush. It's not, you know, it's not made out of gold. I mean, I think we probably could have another one, but we just, you know, we just keep swapping out the heads. I'm really, I'm a very nice guy, and I am what I would consider a positive energy

giver. I agree with that. So I'm going to let this slide, but the last thing I'll say about this is that if the table's returned, oh man. I would be catching hell from the chat. I'd be getting people in my mentions. I'd have discords and conversations about all. I'm not, I'm not calling it to toothbrushes.

You know, I'm not calling in something that it's not. I just, it's not the cake situation. I think you, it's just an oddity of our house. Don't bring up the cake. I think that you should treat yourself. That should be a Valentine's Day gift

that you buy for yourself in honor of your wife. For myself. Yeah, I'll give her the new one. Yeah, give her the new one. Tell her, honey, this is your, toothbrush. We're not, no more patriarchal my toothbrush head stays on the toothbrush. I've never heard that before. There you go. Super chat from Robert Myers. A very generous super chat

says this is to get Bow his own toothbrush. I'm sorry all city isn't taking better care of you. Unfortunately, I don't know that that money is going directly to my pocket. I mean the spirit of it though. Yeah. Thank you. Robert Myers. Bobby. I got to, maybe I need to start wearing glasses because I can't read that and you can.

I thought I had good eyesight. Thank you. Lindsay just blew it up. If only you guys can see the visual comedy of Lindsay here who has just turned the comments. Honestly, the show would probably be better if I couldn't see myself on it, you know. I don't think it'd be better.

We don't think you need the chat's that big. I definitely don't need them that big, but somewhere between. Are you excited for Radio Row? Yeah, I'm excited for... Yeah, well... Paws, as we call it. Yeah, I'm excited for Radio Row.

I'm excited to... I mean, there's a lot of energy there, so I'm excited for that. I'm excited to do the show every day, as I always am. So, yeah. It's a fun energy. It is a lot...

It will be fun, but it is also the manifestation of the thing we've talked about hating as a reporter. Yes. Bothering people. Yes.

And it's like, you know, just waiting and waiting and waiting to talk to like football C-list celebrity B and being like, hey, could you come on her podcast? Yeah. I'm coming on. And then, you know, you get 10-nose. It's just like, what am I doing here? But, yep, it's fun. No, it'll be really fun.

It's always funny. I'm sure you've had this experience too. Like, there will be like a random Eagles player, like on Radio Row. I can think of who I want to say, but I won't. I'll leave them anonymous. And, like, they'll see you and you'll see them. And they'll be like, what are you doing here? And I'm always like, what are you doing?

It's the first time that you'll ever be excited to see you. Yeah, yeah. I mean, when the Eagles are in the Super Bowl, it is always nice, like, it's such a media circus that when you're, like, one of the reporters, they see you and it's like a relief watches over them. Like, I know this person. But, yeah, when, like, a player is walking around Radio Row, it's always funny when, like, they are like, why are you here?

and it's like, I'm like a media member on Radio Row. Like, you're the one that I'm surprised at you. So it should be interesting. No, I don't want to, we're not going to talk cake, but I want to talk, I want to talk meta cake. Okay. Meta cake. So someone is suggesting, you know, we ask everybody on Radio Row about the cake. Yeah.

And I had thought about that until I felt like the cake conversation went too far. I thought about having a piece of that cake on set with us and just asking everybody. I don't think we need to rub that in your face. But my question is, did you talk about it with Julia? Did she know how much the cake situation had broken contain? I think she was aware that it had broken contain. We didn't really talk about it. We both know what's what the state of the cake conversation is.

Okay. I think she was probably annoyed at like the negativity about the cake. conversation, not on the show, the negativity online, but that's, that is the internet. It's the nature of the internet. I actually, like, I was having a nice conversation. I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this with my good friend Jeff Nyberg, another former colleague named Jeff. And we were talking about like the hyperbole that everything gets wrapped up in on the internet and how we were talking about it in regard to the offensive coordinator search because we were debating about something. But yeah, and the Hall of Fame thing is another one. It's like, not everything

needs to be like a referendum on something. Like we can all just you know disagree on cake. It's fine. Other things we may be can't disagree on but that's something we can. Now what I do wish happens if indeed Bill Belichick is not getting

invited. Is that David Baker knocks on his door because he's not the president anymore and so give him the fake out and make Bill think that it's David Baker. Do you think Bill still thinks it's David Baker? I think David Baker still thinks it's David Baker.

Maybe David Baker will make a comeback on the show. I mean, imagine, imagine that guy showing up at your door. What did you do with the mask? I don't know what you're talking about. Come on, I need to know. I'm genuinely asking. I don't know what you're talking about. I'll ask you off air what you did with it.

What mask? From COVID? What did you do? I didn't reuse the same COVID mask. With the picture of David Baker on a stick. Otherwise it stopped being. effective. No, you and your wife just switch off your

COVID masks. I didn't know where that was going. Yeah, we mask swap. Oh, man. You want to ask about Una Emery? Hey, what's going on with Uni? Emery. Ray on McReyerator apparently interested in him. Oh.

I'm not well. I saw that news this morning and I am not proud to admit it. I went into a bit of a spiral. It's like the one place I think you'd go. For like two years at most, right? Don't disrespect Uni like that. Although Unai's personality.

Any big club like that. Yeah, they just churned through managers. And Unai's personality isn't well suited for them. You need to be a people manager there. You don't need to be a tactical genius. Like, I think being a tactical genius there is actually bad for you because those players aren't going to do what you want them to do. Oh, interesting.

You know? Like you get to a certain level of prominence. Like, you're telling Killian and Boppe like, don't do that. Like, he's just going to do what he does, you know? One of the best players in the world. What do you do? What do we do?

My wife just finished Dune Messiah. She's very excited for the next movie. I've had a pretty good stretch of watching movies lately. I have not. I need something new to watch. I need the chat to tell me what to watch. Went to see the late showing of Marty Supreme the other night. Only person in the theater.

What a lovely experience. Oh, you went to the theater. It's great. I'm looking it up. I want to change. What the, the, what's it called? That was Marty Supreme.

It's great. I've had, I've had about a week and a half stretch of maybe every other night or so. Oh, 93% on Rotten Tomatoes. At like midnight, I'm just, I'm shooting a text to Sean Syed and just saying the name of the movie I just watched. And you can include me on these. And then we have a nice conversation for, wait, so is this, this is in theaters right now. Marty Supreme? Yeah.

I might go see this. I love a Timothy Shalemi, that guy, man. He's like an everything. What? I like the way he said Timothy. Oh, do you not say it like that? No, it's just pronounced Timothy. Is it actually?

Wow. Lindsay's listening. Lindsay's dying. I knew you wouldn't let it go. I was just hoping. This is the most I have ever seen Lindsay laugh. You know, some days you just need a good laugh. I thought it was Timothy.

It's spelled Timothy. Timothy. Timothy. Oh, man. I thought it was Timothy. guys know who he dates? I know who he dates. I actually do. You know that that's a that's the pop culture section of this show. Good segment. I know it's funny because uh we were watching like Instagram reels yesterday and one of them is like your husband shouldn't know who these women are and I knew

well it's obviously yes it's like you know brain rob but whatever and I knew all of them and I knew I knew the one do that on radio like you shouldn't know who uh you should not do that on radio who Cameron Latu is. Honestly, I can lend the Camelotu laminated totem if you'd like. You should know who Dylan McMahon. But I knew two of them because of the fact that they date athletes. I was like, oh, that's Justin Herbert's girlfriend. Don't know her name.

I don't feel like I need to say who she is. Okay. Don't know anything else about her. You don't want to give her the pop? I know that she's Justin Herbert's girlfriend. Okay. That's not all I know. Who was the other one?

He said you knew two. It's Kylie Jenner, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. I was a little worried I was going to get the wrong. No, no, I meant you said you knew two athletes, girlfriends. Well, Kendall dated Ben Simmons, right? She dated a couple NBA guys.

Well, when she dated Ben Simmons, I was invested because Kendall Jenner was watching. Over time. Oh, man, I got everybody. You're a minute early. No. Oh, we started late. I can't read the thing. I thought it's in 59.

I can't read it. But yeah, I was like, Kendall Jenner is at the 60s? But yeah, she's court signed. Again, we were on top of it. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, don't try things. Just stay in your lane. Yeah.

Yeah, now we can see ourselves in, like, ultra-hd. Yeah. It's interesting. What's the best movie you've seen lately? I haven't watched a movie in a while. I just watched the people we meet on vacation on Netflix. Oh, for okay, thanks. Just like a classic rom-com.

It was good. Okay. I'll tell you what movie I watched most recently in Bovertime. Nailed it. Perfect. Just nailed it. Wow. Beautiful.

That was like when you did four game predictions, pregame. It was like you're going to hit one of them if you just keep doing it. I'm not sure I even did. 60 minutes of Bovertime, Bovertime, Bovertime, Bovertime, Bovertime, Bovertime. I watched The Woman in Cabin 10 or whatever it is. That movie stunk. I mean, my God. I got to start texting Sean for movie recommendations.

It was like fine. It was like something to watch. Like, you know, it's got a twist. And it's like, oh, who could have seen that coming? But yeah. I've been watching a hijack with It Yourselba. That's good. I watched Stranger Things last night.

Well, I fell asleep halfway. My husband was watching it. When you say you watched Stranger Things, like the first episode? No, no. He's watching the new season. But I've never watched one episode. Nice. So I was super confused.

It's good to just parachute in on a show like that and be like, this sucks. I was like, I was just like, does Elle still have powers? Like, that's the one thing I know that she had powers. It was just an accident. That's, that's, that's, it was really good. Stranger Things had a stretch where it was good. The first season? First season was good.

Four season was very good. The rest of it. It's fine. See Begonia. I liked Begonia. Is that a movie? Yeah. I saw Zootopia 2 in theaters.

I'm looking forward to that. Like a month ago. And that goat one with Stefan Curry. I haven't said that. Looks good. The cartoon kids movie, but looks funny. Good stuff here. Anything else you want anybody wants to talk about?

No, Asson Villa are on. So excited about that. No wonder, you said you couldn't do that meeting. All right, that will do it for the PHYGOs podcast. Thanks for joining us, everybody. We will talk to you again tomorrow at 2 o'clock. We will be back. Maybe we'll have news.

Maybe not. Super chat from Shay, just in time. Were AJ and Jalen friends when Devin White sent the text? That's a good question. Who's to say? It would be funny.

It would be funny if Devin White was like, you know, parachuting in as we're the leaders of the team, not realizing that these other two guys didn't like each other. He was just being a nuisance to them. It's funny. I don't know. It would be funny. One of it was his fault.

whole time. All right. Thanks, everybody. As always, we love you. You're all silly like the mayor.