PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Is the Eagles OC job less attractive than we thought?

Episode Date: January 21, 2026

With Mike McDaniel and Brian Daboll both off the board for the Eagles, the field of offensive coordinator candidates to replace Kevin Patullo is starting to thin out. Bo Wulf and EJ Smith discuss whether the team’s opening is less attractive than they initially thought, rank the best names still available, and more. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast live from the Xfinity Studio and presented by Bet365 and Ashley. It's a less chilly Wednesday afternoon. Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith, Lindsay on the ones and twos. We've got a lot coming at you. Mina Kimes will join us in the B-block, as we call it. We'll talk about some updates on the Eagles offensive coordinator search where the Eagles stand and some other things. later in the show, E.J., you and I are going to draft who we think is the most likely person to be hired for this job. We're going to try to call our shots here. But unfortunately, for the Eagles fans, they have been left at the altar a couple times, it sounds like. How are you? I'm doing well.

Yeah, a lot has changed. I mean, we did this exercise like a week ago, and honestly, the board looks a lot different. That was more about who we would want them to hire. Today is going to be predicting how it plays out. I know, but also, like, who they would have wanted to hire. That's true. It's not gone.

It's not gone to plan. Now, before we get into the latest from McDaniel and Daibald, I just, you know, we've got a nice text from you last night. Just I'm happy for it. You're all fired up. You said, I, man, I crushed that class last night. It was a great class. I'm happy to see you feeling good about you. It was like my first time delivering a lecture and I thought I, I thought I did a good job.

So I'll tell you. This is not. I thought I did a good job. I did. You came out of it. I did. You had full chest. You know what it was?

At the end of the class, like, toward the end of class, you know, I'm asking the question, like, do you have any questions? And one of the students raises their hand and they go, could you make sure that we have access to the slideshow you put together? Like, moving forward and I almost burst into tears. I almost cried tears of joy. I was like, you guys like the slideshow on there? And they're like, yeah, like, I want to use this for my stories.

Like, you know, I want to have it to reference. That's great. Yeah. That gave me a real boost. They were like, there's, we use like a program. that they have access to for all the learning materials. Sure, of course. And they were like, if you could put it in here,

like we could see it there and we'd have access to it. They were like asking me to learn how to use the program so that they could see it. Oh my God. So yeah, you know, cracked open a YouTube video, learned how to do it. They got access to it. Trying to shape the next generation of good reporters right there.

And you helped me by the way, because we did talk about some of the things that you and I had talked about. It's okay. Appreciate that. Yeah. A helping hand. Yeah. All right, let's get to it.

Wawa Wednesday. Let's talk about the big deal. And, of course, remember that... Ah! Do you think that they could hear that? How could they not? How could they not have heard that? You mean the Tommy gun that just showed up out of nowhere?

They're giving us to the count of ten to get our ugly yellow... No good keysters off their property. And tell you about the big deal at Wawa. where any sizzly, any hot or iced coffee and a hash brown is just $5. From 5 to 11 a yet. What a deal. Not a good deal for the Eagles. Hiring Mike McDaniel or Brian Dable.

Now McDaniel last night going to Los Angeles Chargers this morning, Diana Rossini reporting that the Eagles are proceeding with the knowledge that, although they want Brian Dable, he's hoping for the Bill's head coaching job. And if he doesn't get that, He prefers the Titans. The Titans. I mean, I think... Ouch.

There's no way to dress the day ball rejection differently. But the relationship with Robert Sala, the opportunity to work with a young quarterback in Cambo. And relationship with Robert Selling. I mean, I think they do have a good relationship. Is bald guy to bald guy? I don't, I think it's deeper than just being bald guy to bald guy. I think that they have a good relationship. I think that that's probably why it's a part of the fault.

I don't believe they've worked together. but I think they have a good relationship. Yeah, I think. What does it say about Nick Seriali? This is an educated guess that they have a good relationship. Okay. Yeah. Again, there's no way to dress it up.

I mean, the McDaniel one to me. So let's ask. Do you think that this job is less attractive than maybe we were proceeding as if it was a week ago? I mean, I think that the results have borne that out. You know, with Dayball choosing the Tennessee Titans job, I mean, that is a reflection of, how he viewed the Eagles job relatively. And with McDaniel, I mean, I think there's a multitude of reasons that Mike McDaniel turned down the, or did not really show significant interest in the Eagles job.

You have some reporting on this. I mean, for all the students out there know that your boy is not just a teacher, he's a, he's a newsmaker. So I can tell you guys that Mike McDaniel did interview, not in an official capacity, in a virtual interview with the Eagles, and that they had extensive conversations over the last week. No in-person, like, formal interview, but again, they did touch base. And I've seen reporting from Jeff McDaniel and Dayball would have both had complete autonomy. But I thought it was interesting that Jeff noted that not every single candidate will be offered complete autonomy

necessarily. So I think that's understandable. Yeah, there was a, there was like a mutual interest with the Eagles and Mike McDaniel. Obviously, the Eagles, I think it's fair to say he was their top candidate. But, you know, I've been reading between the lines on why McDaniel chose the charges. I mean, it's widely reported that the opportunity to work with Justin Herbert was a big part of it. And obviously his wife is from Los Angeles. Come on. This idea that he's, now listen, we're not anti-wife guy here. But the idea that he's making this decision because his wife is from California, give me a break.

Again, I think there's a multitude of factors at play here. But again, both of these are not a positive reflection on how attractive the Eagle Shop is. Do you think it's more likely that? obviously he is choosing the pairing of Harbaugh and Hertz Harbaugh and Herbert over Nick and Hertz which one do you think is a bigger difference

for him? I mean no it's purely speculative yes I would say the quarterback reflection is the one that I stand I stick with more I actually don't think for him for him yes not for me you know I don't want to go down the Justin Herbert

Jalen Hertz debate today now listen I mean people are allowed to have different priorities, right? Sure, yeah. I think, I think Dayball preferring the Titans over the Eagles is a much different conversation. It's surprising. Then McDaniel choosing the Chargers over the Eagles.

It is very rational to choose the Chargers over the Eagles. Even if you think they are equally poised to go to the Super Bowl and you can say that Eagles offensive coordinator has gone on to be a head coach twice in the past four years, like Jim Harbaugh is not there's not a specter of them cleaning house in a year

potentially if things don't go well so the upside for if the Chargers do really well is probably the same for Mike McDaniel it's not like Mike McDaniel is the guy who needs the light shined on him yeah he's going to get credit for any offensive turnaround that any team he goes to has if he does well he's going to get head coaching jobs and if he doesn't do well if he just does mediocre

he's probably going to be fine there whereas that might not be the case in Philadelphia. Well, yeah, and that's another factor here. I don't want to overstate this factor because I think what we've talked about before getting to this point is more important. But there is a factor. We've seen it reported.

It's apparent if you're in this city. This is an intense city to coach in. I think you can overstate it. You can overstate Kevin Tullo, like the experience he had this year, making it a cautionary job or a cautionary tale for the next guy to take over as an offensive coordinator. but I also don't think it's something you can hand wave.

I think it is real. It's a part of the equation. I think that's fair. I think it is an excuse that is pointing the blame in a direction. It doesn't necessarily deserve to be pointed. Sure. What I say, well, that is I think it is a way for the Eagles organization

to blame other people and blame the fans for them not getting the people that they want. And I also think the truth is, while, you know, obviously the thing with Kevin Matulow's house is beyond the pale and nobody thinks that's okay, the pressure that Kevin Petulow felt this season, it was not just from the fans. It was from inside the building, too. And so the pressure cooker that people might be wary of is just as much inside the building as it is the fan base. Absolutely. Yeah. And that's what I want to make it clear that I think it's convenient to say, oh, well, the fans are so intense.

that's why yes I completely agree I think that there this is like one of those things where whenever something doesn't go well like it's all everyone's instinct is to point to the thing they hate the most and say that's what the reason it didn't go well it's human nature right and I think that for that reason I really couch like bringing this as a part of it but it is a part of it the intensity that this job you know the scrutiny that you that comes with this job so I don't think it's the number one reason but I think it's part of it but all of these things combined, I think, explains how we've gotten here. And I'll be honest, like, I'll, you know, put my hand up.

Like, I thought the Eagles job was going to be an easier. I thought it would be easier to fill this job with one of the top candidates and it has proven to be. Now, to be fair, there really have actually only been two people who we know have, like, essentially turned them down. Sure. But those are the top two candidates. The table one is bad because the table one is also, you would think it would hurt the

Eagles feelings from a sense of the same reasons that we thought. maybe he would be attractive to them because he's friends with Nick and he's worked with Jalen. Sure. And so he has knowledge of both of them and he's like, ah, no thanks. Yeah. No, I mean that kind of hurts their feelings, don't you think? I think, again, I think

the result here really changes my perception because I mean, if you look at the job from our perspective and I know that there's like an ego, we've talked about like you need to believe in yourself as a coach to ignore some of the potential pitfalls and say I can turn this around and I can become a head coach

and I can, you know, because I know I can fix it. But I do. I think that they're, you know, the way that we've seen this play out, how can you not change how you feel about the job? Because when I look at it, I look at, you know, a quarterback that's won a Super Bowl, one of the best offensive lines in the league, one of the best GMs in the league, a receiving core, I think that the A.J. Brown question is a real thing there. Yeah. One of the best running backs in the league, you know, a head coach that is consistently

going to get you to the playoffs, at least his track record would prove that. But again, I think that some of the personality dynamics at play, I think that, you know, a lot of the things we talked about have kind of weighed it down so that that's not as much in the forefront as we expected it to be. All right. Let's close the book on the big deal presented by Awawa. Remember, once again, any sizzly, any hot or ice coffee in a hash brown for $5 from 5 a.m. to 11 a.m. So before we get to the candidates themselves, and we'll do our little draft after talking to Meena Kimes, E.J., the the reports about the autonomy and stuff like that I said autonomy weird didn't I it hit my ear that weird no if you are an Eagles fan we don't we don't know how any of these guys are going to turn out it's all this is it's all guesswork right you know we've talked about the stiking thing before like just because someone has not done a great job

doesn't mean they're not going to be the right fit for this job however if they if if it comes to pass that it's someone who is not going to get autonomy and it becomes clear that it's going to be, you know, Mike Kafka and Nick Siriani melding this offense together and it's still mostly the same offensive staff. Would that give you pause in terms of your optimism versus if it was someone who's able to bring in more people to implement whatever it is they want to implement? It's a great question. It would give me pause. That is the answer to the question because at the end of the season, it was so apparent that they needed an overhaul offensively. So it would give me concern if they said, you know,

we tried to bring in someone, you know, let them run the show, obviously missed out on a few of the top candidates and now moving, they would be moving forward with someone who maybe is an attempt at getting another Shane Stuyken, an attempt at getting an experience play caller or somebody who can at least raise the floor of the offense. It would give me concern. and the only thing that I would say is, like, am I a little bit hyperbolic at the end of the season? Is it, like, recency bias? Like, would we, if they hired, let's say, let's say Jim Bob Cooter. Okay.

It would concern me, right? I would, I feel concerned, but, like, if we got to training camp, would you feel a little bit less alarmist about the way that the Eagles offense could look with, a more competent play caller? Like, I don't know. Maybe this is like cope. I, because again,

like my first action is like, aside from his name, that would not work. Cuder has the least juice in terms of making you excited because it is, it is someone from this tree. And it's, that's overstating it a little bit. I don't know.

It's only here for a year and it was more in like a game to operations role. But I think if you were like hoping for this offense to look different for somebody to bring new ideas. I think I think Cuder is like I agree with you I'm talking myself in circles here because sometimes like the higher that a team makes it's like what were they thinking those are the ones that work you know what I mean yeah

but I still would say what were they thinking I think you know what Nick said the offense needs to evolve what we've said which is really that the offense needs an overhaul I still think you need someone from a different tree with different ideas so what that's not you it's the Cudder So to me, we'll get into this later in the show.

Yeah. There are still some names that I think would make a lot more sense than going with someone who is same same, you know, someone who's going to bring a lot of the same concepts, just a different voice on the headset. Yeah. Are you surprised that we have not yet gotten the official Cliff Kingsbury interview? Oh, yeah. I mean, obviously I am.

Of course. Yeah, I am surprised. Early on, it felt like that they were linked to, to Kingsbury as a potential top choice. Yeah, to me, like, my guess on that is the fact that he hasn't been interviewed means that he is not a serious candidate for the job. Interesting. The reason is, I could not, it would be speculation for me to say the reason.

But my guess, actual guess, maybe it's a personality thing. As much as, you know, we've talked about him and, you know, the fact that he has called elite offenses and I think it would be a good fit with Jalen Hertz, the fact that he hasn't interviewed yet pretty much confirms that he's. But I haven't really seen him interview anywhere. So you think he's buying his time for something? I don't know. I don't know.

Maybe I just missed it. I think I saw a report that maybe him and Davis Webb would be like a package deal. Interesting. So maybe he's waiting for that. There could be a lot of reasons why he hasn't interviewed. But again, we're getting late in the game. Like teams are hiring coordinators. The fact that he hasn't interviewed yet to me, I would put, how many turkeys would you put on him interviewing in the next three days?

Well, I don't know. It could also be the kind of deal where it's like. we're McDaniel. Yeah, like an unofficial. They've talked. I would be surprised if they haven't already talked to some degree. I would be surprised to. And again, I don't think from the how embarrassed should the, somebody's knocking on the door and they are not taking no for an answer, but we are in the middle of a show. Sorry.

I don't think the Eagles should feel bad that they didn't get an official interview with Mike McDaniel. I don't think that there was much that was going to come from that. Yeah, that's, they checked in with each other. I'm sure the Eagles made it clear that you would be our top choice. and I'm sure McDaniel made it clear these are things that he would want and he's going to play the field and maybe I'll get back to it.

I think that's fine. No, and that's why I wanted to check on it because I wanted to be clear on whether or not like you know, you saw the sentiment out there oh, they couldn't even get an interview with him. I think this was basically. I mean, I think that's right. Yeah, I think this was the interview.

You know, and listen, like I'm not up here to make like be able to apologize for the way this is gone. I think I've been pretty honest about it. But that specific point, yeah, I think that they did their due diligence on Mike McDaniel. He had options and he took a different option.

All right. Time to take our first break here. Stay with us on the other side. Mina Kimes joins us to talk about her thoughts on some of these offensive coordinator candidates where the Eagles stand heading into an important offseason. We'll check in on the draft that we had a couple weeks ago. And more?

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Join now by the great Mina Kimes of ESPN and the Mina Kimes show featuring Lenny. Meena, here's our question for you. You are the hot new offensive coordinator candidate. Everybody wants to interview you and bring you in. How low are the Eagles in your preference order? How generally attractive do you think this job is? It's a great question.

Because I think if you have a lot of confidence in yourself, if you think you should be a head coach and you got what it takes, think it's a very attractive job. Like if, but because the risk reward of this job. Yeah. Is the highest of any in the league, right? Like you have a good shot of getting a head coaching job.

Also, by the way, the bar is hell after last year. Yes. So if you can show some improvement, you will be rewarded. You also get to work with a great front office that is going to address some of the issues that I think the personnel issues that plagued the offense that didn't get talked about. So the opportunity is there. however the risk is also there because we have now seen you know multiple offensive coronators get blamed for the team you get um you have to deal with obviously a level of scrutiny that i don't

think comes with like the chargers job for example right so it is it is both the most and least appealing job at the same time and i think it really just depends on how you think of yourself yeah i think that's perfectly stated that like i think the ego is really the instructive part of this. You need to have the ego. In theory, it's self-selecting to some degree because you only want the person who would want the job.

Oh, totally. Yeah. But, you know, it's starting to filter out a little bit. Like, you know, as you reported EJ, the Eagles, were very interested in Mike McDaniel and did talk to him. Yeah. You can understand why he would choose the Chargers instead. Now it was a report from Diana Rossini that Brian Dable is,

would prefer the Titans to the Eagles. Like, now you all of a sudden are wondering. like how down bad am i yeah i think that with brian dayball maybe his relationship with robert sala is something we uh we underestimated in this but still we are parsing here for sure um i wanted to ask you mina if geoffrey gave you a call and was like mina we missed out on like mcdaniel we missed out on dayball who who should we call who among the candidates maybe that they've interviewed or maybe not do you think you still feel like there's upside there for the eagles so among those that field of available guys well it's it i i see him more associated with head coaching jobs

but i think um the rams guy the past game coordinator she'll house yeah Nate chielhaws um i would love to get somebody from that tree in the building so that's a name that comes to mind um because you know you're kind of running out of guys in those those teams um i think down to jacksonville to Udinski given some of the coaches that he's worked for, but these are both mysteries. Like you don't know when you bring in these guys. But of course,

that's the case with the offensive coordinator. Most cases, you're not getting a guy who already has call plays and has a body of work like a Mike McDaniel. Sorry, got a little bit stuffed up there. So you're taking a risk no matter what. I think, though, I would want to get somebody

who's been associated with one of those very good offenses, or creative offenses around league. Yeah, I feel like, really quick on this. I feel like we have reached a point now that the top guys are off the board where you are starting to hit the point where you're not, if you're prioritizing experience play callers, you're not necessarily going to be getting the upside that you might get from an unknown. So, no, I think that's... Although, as we did say, you know, I think people might have characterized Shane Stike in that way,

which was coming off of getting fired by the Chargers. I think sometimes you're able to bounce back. And to that point, I mean, I'm going to run you down some of the reported candidates who they have talked to. You tell me just your first blush reaction. Zach Robinson, who once upon a time was sort of like considered the shield house, but we saw what he did in Atlanta the past couple years. Yeah. I'd be a little bit hesitant there, honestly.

I mean, the Atlanta offense did some things really well. I think I would want to get him the building and ask him to be very transparent about why the offense felt so siloed and whether or not it was because of his the quarterbacks and how he perceived their limitations. But, you know, they did run the football well. And I think a big priority for the Eagles, as we've talked about on this show,

should be getting the running back. That's actually number one priority for me. Okay. Next up, Josh Grizzard after his one year in Tampa. That's what I'm interested in because when I was watching the bucks this year, I didn't feel like their failures were for the most part due to play calling.

So that's, I, I feel like that one has some intrigue. Okay. But that's another team where the run game really fell off, but I do think that was more about personnel. And theoretically, if you're giving Statlin the keys to the run game, maybe that is a potential pairing. Bobby Sloick, after his two years in Houston,

maybe he looks better in comparison after what we saw from the Texans this weekend? I don't know about that. That was a team that really couldn't run the ball, right? And again, personnel is an issue, no doubt. I really want to give somebody who's shown me that he's called a good run game. Okay. I think we have there are some, there's some unknown with like Charlie Weiss Jr.

Mike Kafka. I don't need you to weigh in on Jim Bob Cooter, but I will ask you about Cliff Kingsbury. So that actually intrigues me because of what I've just said. Because, well, whatever you think about Cliff and he has his flaws, I think at multiple stops now,

he is called really elite rushing attack. Yes, me. Really. Yes. rushing attacks. And I think, and this is, again, I know I'm a broken record, they need an injection of creativity

when it comes to the ground game. And so I actually think Kingsbury would be an interesting hire. Oh, man. This is so validating. Save your validation. I have been banging the cliff, the Kingsbury job on this show.

But hold on, Mina. No. Over Michael Daniel. Oh, but it's like his. Oh, I wouldn't have done. Over Michael Daniel. Oh, I can't deal with it. too far

yeah you took it too far all right let's let's back off the offensive corner to talk a couple of big picture offseason questions if in fact the Eagles do have to move on from AJ Brown

what kind of market do you think he would have oh I think still a pretty robust one I have to think even though he is not without blame for some of the issues at the ending of the last season I think enough of a body of work

and such a unique skill set that you would still get a pretty significant return for him. I also, I haven't looked at his contract lately, but it doesn't strike me as particularly onerous given where the receiver market is going. So I think you'd be able to get a pretty decent haul for it. Yeah, I think of the, the Eagle, as we've talked about, the Eagles take on all the dead cap,

but the team who trades for him, it's a good contract for them. So I think at least a second probably. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we agree.

How about just Jalen? And this does tie back into the offensive coordinator discussion. But aside from the running game, what would you like to see emphasized in whatever this new scheme is? Yeah. Okay. So the reason why I keep going back to the run game is because this doesn't always make Eagles fans happy, but whatever. I really believe Jalen Hertz as a quarterback has to be paired with a good running game. and that doesn't mean he can't be an elite quarterback.

It's honestly the thing I missed with Russell Wilson that I now, when I look back at how I analyze him and thought about him, I think I failed to understand, especially later his career when his mobility dropped off a little bit, how important it was for him to have a good run game as part of the offense with him because of his general preference for throwing outside the numbers, right? and people, I'm sure your listeners are aware of this,

but you want the run game to succeed so that teams have to respect it, drop a safety into the box so that you can get matchups outside so that teams can't just play split safety versus you, et cetera. So I think from, when I think about Jalen Hertz

and what is it going to take to get him playing the way he used to, it really does start with that ground game. And, you know, if you... And in theory, him being a part of that as well. Well, that's the second thing I was going to get to. So if he doesn't want to run, that's a problem to me. Because now if there is like legitimate physical limitations, that's a different conversation.

But if it's just a desire thing, I think that's something that's like a serious conversation you have to have that really does impact his future with the organization. Because I believe when I think about what is it going to take to get hurts back and what is his success, his legs also have to be part of that run game to maximize this offense. And so that's another very serious conversation that you got to have with him and with him and whatever coaching staff you bring in. So, but, you know, I think that that's not to say like he is incapable, he's absolutely capable of playing better than what we saw at the end of last year. He's never going to be a quarterback who throws over the middle of the field at a high level. That's just, or high rate. That's just not his game. But you have to find a way to, one,

create an offense where just because you have a quarterback who doesn't throw over the middle of the field at a higher rate doesn't mean you can't call an offense where you use motion formation personnel groupings etc to create mismatches in a way that the eagles did not if that makes sense 100% because i you know because people have been having this conversation well they have to call limited offense because of hurts you have to call a specific offense because of jaylin hurts it's true i really believe that but a specific offense doesn't necessarily mean a limited one to the degree that we saw. So I think there's opportunity here for a play caller to come in and build something around him and his skill set that looks a lot better than it did last year. Yeah, for the audio listeners, EJ and I are just like nodding along as you talk because it's so right. It's part of why the McDaniel fit to me would have been so interesting because how do you get him to throw over the middle of the field? you get guys open enough that he can't not throw them the ball over the middle of the field, right?

And it's also, it is, my understanding, it is, this is not all Jalen, like the coaching here is a real factor from do not turn the ball over, do not turn the ball over, do not turn the ball over. Well, when you throw over the middle of the field, that is the, it is riskier. And so that is drilled into him to some degree. You know, I would like to see whoever it is, the most important thing to me is whoever comes in as the offensive coordinator, is someone who when you get the ball with 50s, you know, he's someone who, when you get the ball with 50s. 15 seconds left in the second quarter wants to go try to score some points. Like somebody who is who is just aggressive, please. Man, I got to say too, like, I know I posted this on blue sky and I felt a little bit bad, but as an Eagles fan, how can you not watch what the Seahawks did to the Niners the next week?

Yeah, yeah. And not just think about how abysmal your offense was against that team. And I think that's so insulting about it. Insulting is a little strong. But like, look, if they were. playing, because we didn't talk after the game, if it was the Seahawks, for example, right, and you got that defense on the other side of the field. Let's say the Eagles would say, then you know what?

A second and long draw, all right. Like, I get it. Right. Like probably that Niners defense was playing guys that I am currently now watching because I'm watching Jarrett Stitt and preseason tape against him. The unwillingness to take risks against that defense was honestly pathetic. So it was really really, really bad stuff all around. And I will have to, I do say, I will say, I mean, the offense on the hook, but also watching that Seahawks defense against the honors.

Yeah. Was a little bit clarifying in the Eagles defense was really, really good. It was not the best defense in football. Yeah, I think you saw there's clearly like a Houston, Seattle tier. Yeah. And I would put Philly and Denver in the next tier and some other biking maybe. But yeah, I, there's Seattle. and Husey were just to cut above this season.

Did you have something else? No, I said speaking of that, let's get to the game. We have two things here. Last time you were on was right before the playoffs, Mina. We did the draft of just total wins for the playoff teams. We have to be completionist. We're not, but you are in last place. I will show it.

Wow. You had Texans, Eagle. You were trying to pacify us and take the Eagles. You have Texans, Eagles, Broncos, Packers. You've got two total wins. The Broncos win at all. get to four. E.J., you've got Jaguars, Patriots, Bears, Niners. If the Patriots win it all, you can get to six. I had Rams, Bill, Seahawks, Chargers. I'm at four, but I'm guaranteed at least five

because I've got both NFC teams. So I unfortunately mean that you have been eliminated. The Eagles really screwed me. They really did. Now you know how it feels. Yeah. I tried to pander and it blew up in my face. The lesson is never pander. That's right. I genuinely thought they would win that game. So, to be clear, I was speaking from the heart. We do have one final thing for you. Now, I told you I wasn't going to bring this up again. However, you are an expert.

You are going to be on, tell the, it's like NFL, great British bakeoff. What are we, what, tell us about it. Oh, yeah, big news today in the breakoff world. Did you see Peru is retiring? No, I did not see this. Yeah, end of an era for those who watch bakeoff. I am on, it's called the Great American Baking Show. It's the same.

Yeah. And it's a special edition, NFL edition. I'm competing with Von Miller, Julian Edelman, and Antonio Gates spent a few days in a village in London taping this with them. We each baked three things. It's the same format. Okay. Signature, the technical, and the showstopper.

It was one of the most fun things I've ever done in my life. So it drops next February Sunday, February 1st or second. Very first I think is when it comes out on the Roku channel. So go check it out. Okay. We are looking forward to that. Very excited to watch that. Very excited.

I mean, first of all, the odds have to be way in your favor. I'm hoping. We'll be rooting for you. I can't spoil, but I have been making. How intimidating was Paul Hollywood? So, oh, my God. I can't spoil. I'll tell you something offline.

But he is a star. I was an orange Lamborghini. Okay. Wow. By the way, saw it on the line. I was like, who's is that?

And they were like, obviously it's Paul Hollywood's. Those eyes, they're just so, they're blue steel. So all of this is to say that you are, you are an expert here,

and we need you to weigh in and just tell us, Lindsay is going to put something up on the screen, what you would call what you see before you. It's yellow cake. It's Texas She Cake, right? It's, yeah, yeah.

I think yellow cake is a fine answer. What would you do if someone Texas she cake? Yeah I think sorry It's either yellow cake With chocolate frosting or whatever Or if you are

Demented to some degree Okay Chocolate cake He thinks that's chocolate cake It's a chocolate cake What? It's a chocolate cake I really wanted a day off

From the cake to me There's nothing about the cake There is a geographical difference here It's not. In my household, that's a chocolate cake. Okay? It's a cake covered in chocolate. If I ordered a chocolate cake and somebody brought that to me.

It's a good cake, Mina. I would be so angry. I would never be angry at that cake. It's a good cake. I'm not, I wouldn't be angry at the deception. Yes. It's a chocolate cake. Yes.

Saying that's a chocolate cake is like saying the Eagles has had a good run game this year. It's an absolutely insane thing. It's not the same thing. It's the same thing. What is the chocolate junior? What is it? It's not a yellow cake junior. It's a chocolate. It's a chocolate, junior. A chocolate cake with chocolate icing is a double chocolate cake for a reason. It's not the chocolate cake. It's a chocolate cake. It's a chocolate cake with vanilla frosting.

That is a chocolate cake with vanilla frosting to me. It's a different thing. You just called it a chocolate cake. Amina, thank you for sharing our outrage. It is nice to be validated. Check out this week's episode of the Mina Kimes show featuring Lenny. Thank you so much for joining us all season, Mina. Bye, guys. This is fun.

I'm sorry I brought such a bad fortune. We had Kingsbury at least. That's right. That's right. And we'll be back with more on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. Stay with us. Do you guys remember when B.G. Stripsack Tom Brady for the first Philly Super Bowl ever?

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And so crushed. So crushed by the cake debate. We can move on from the cake. I was going to say, I need a break from it. Break from cake. I just need a break from like people yelling at me on the internet telling me I'm an idiot. Now you know how Elliot lives his life.

Honestly, credit, you are right. He deals with a lot of that. I've talked to him. I've actually talked to him and Mrs. Shore Parks about that. I mean, he's a person too. Got to keep that in mind. I certainly agree that he is a person. I think some people may be lose sight of it.

I like Elliot. Like, he's one of the people that, like, you'll, and tell me if you get this experience, too. When you're talking to Eagles fans, they will often ask you about Elliot. Like, they don't want to know about, like, the players. They want to, like, what's that Elliot short parks like? And I'm always like, it's a really nice guy. Like, he treats everyone well. And, yeah.

Like, people are always so surprised. It's like, he's a good guy. You know, you don't always have to agree with everything he says, but yeah. Totally. I mean, there's way worse people on the beat. I would have to agree. All right. Let's get into this.

Let's get into this draft. We're going to try to guess, predict who we think the egos are actually going to hire. How is this thing going to turn out? E.J., you can have the first pick. I don't know. If I wanted the first pick, you take the first pick. I get the first pick. Are we going to, I wasn't even going to, I wasn't even going to make this a snake.

I was just going to let it go. Yeah, just take the first pick. I don't, I don't want it. You always give me the first pick. You take it. I'm a gentleman. Jeez. It's kind of hot in here.

I knew this was going to happen. You think you were slick. Lindsay was on to you. I was on to you too, but Lindsay saw it. It's hot. Can you at least explain to the new viewers, why you're wearing the same shirt every single thing? What are you talking about?

What do you mean? What am I talking about? Oh, this thing? Oh, God, I feel so much better. It's so hot in here. There we go. That's much better. Okay.

I don't like to look with this. No, it looks terrible. I think you have to commit to one or the other. So I have done my research on the shirt. Yeah. Because I, you know, I'm here with you every single day. And I'm wondering why you're wearing the shirt. All I'll say.

Oh, this is all thing? It's not an orange shirt. Sure it is. It's not orange. Orange, yellow, blue. Whatever, white. Whatever you want it to be. Take the first pick.

All right. I think... Because I want to see how you're going to go here. I don't think... I mean, listen, this is a very difficult thing to predict. I don't actually think he's going to get the job. But I think... Given the information we have, this is the right first pick.

Oh, man. And I'm taking the gris. I shouldn't have given you the first pick. Okay. We know that they've interviewed him. I don't think he's going to have better options. There is enough difference and enough upside to talk yourself into. I think he's the one who checks enough boxes.

I'm going with the gris man. Yeah, no, he was going to be my first pick too. I'm surprised. I thought you were going to go with more of a chalk option here. The thing I would say about Grizzard is that, yes, like the Bucks offensive production, I mean, to me, to set it. The Bucks offensive production was not great this year. But if you look at what they did, it wasn't all necessarily a reflection on coaching. And I think he is like respected in league circles and coaching circles, probably more than he is well known in the public eye.

So for that reason, I could see the Eagles being interested in him. Obviously, they brought him in for a lot of these reasons. And yeah, I mean, if you're looking at the field that they have ahead of them, I do think that he is both an attractive option, but also, like you said, probably a safer one where you could see them being able to get him through the door. Okay. Over to you. I'm not going to go with the, like, chalk who I think is most likely here.

I'm going to take a swing because at this point, you know, the Eagles have clearly missed out on a couple of their top candidates. Yeah. And for that reason, there are some names like, okay. well, if they had to pick somebody today, this is who I think they'd pick. But they don't have to pick somebody today. And this is a guess. This isn't like an informed speculation.

I think, is there a chance that they wait this out and try and go for a candidate that maybe isn't available today, but we'll be available in a week or two. And if I'm going to, if I'm opening it up to that field, then Nate Shieldhouse is my, my, my, my, interesting. I don't know. Who did you? I'll tell you. I'll find out. I think that there is an argument to be made that you could wait a couple of weeks. obviously Sheelhouse is still in the playoffs with the Rams.

I'm not available to interview for some of these jobs. And honestly, if the Rams win this weekend, he might have to wait a year, you know, for a lot of options in terms of offensive coordinator jobs because of the fact that a lot of these jobs will be filled. I think the Eagles could probably benefit from waiting, being patient. And if, you know, if you're the, if you're one of the only options for Sheel House,

all of a sudden that option looks really good for him. So I had my reservations about Sheel House when we talked about this a week ago. Yeah, I do think that he is a real roll of the dice. I agree. But I think we are getting to a point now. And listen, let's say, I think it is important. The research that they would have to do on him

will answer the questions that we have. And they've talked to him in the past. Yeah, personality, I think, is really important here. You know, is he someone who commands a room? I know he's young. He doesn't have play calling experience at this level. You need to feel confident that he's going to walk into the room with Jalen Hertz, Nick Siriani,

and a lot of veteran players on offense and command the room and say, I am installing this offense, we are going to do things a certain way. If you're confident that he can do that, then I mean, the people around the league are bullish on him for a reason. So again,

a week ago, was he in my top three or five candidates? No, he was not. I'll be bluntly honest about that because of a lot of the concerns that we laid out. But at this point in the game, I do think that you're starting to get to a point where like the veteran play callers

that you could bring in, that was your first preference is having someone who's a veteran play caller, you're probably not getting the upside with the guys who are still available. So I think that Shieldhouse becomes more interesting, especially because as we've learned, like, they might not get the top candidates right now. In a couple of weeks, they might be one of the few jobs left. Yeah, true. Okay. I think, yeah, I would not have gone within that high, but I will respect your game. I'm curious who you're going to go chalk. You'll have to find out next because we've got some bills to pay.

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Back on the PHLYEGELS podcast, Bo Wolf and EJ. Smith, our draft rolls on. Who will the Eagles hire as their offensive coordinator? Before you do this, I have a bone to pick with you. You've been mumbly all day. Lindsay can back me up on this. You've said like 15 things I have not been able to hear, which is why the listeners may have heard me go,

huh, right when we got back from break. Speak up. Walk a day in my wife's shoes. Does she get on you about mumbling a lot? I am mumbling all the time. Stop mumbling. Annunciate. Project.

You know what I say to my niece, speak loudly and clearly. Whatever I say that, she's like, I won't yell on the mic, but she really delivers. So, yeah, I'm going to start doing that to you.

Speak loud and clear. It's my world and I'll mumble if I want to. No, you're a podcaster. Well, you're good on, you're good on air, but you're dead. During the break, You're just over there mumbling.

I'm wasting my enunciation on the show. Let me mumble the other 22 hours a day. No. Especially, I got bad ears, man. I can't hear that well. You want to know why I can't hear that well? Why? Played in bands in high school.

Motorcycles in college. You rode motorcycles. You did talk about this? Yeah. I rode motorcycles. Oh, Lindsay. I'm going to send you a picture. Uh-oh.

HR online too. Why would you even say that? Okay. I'm going to tell you my next pick and I, this is the last person to whom I think the Eagles would truly offer offensive autonomy. And I think this is the person who is probably,

I'm guessing, at the top of their wish list. And so this is not the most likely, but it is if the Eagles are able to land their top choice, this is who it would be. I think it is more likely than not that he will get a head coaching job. But I'm taking Joe Brady here. Yeah, it's a good pick.

I think I'm skeptical of his interest in the job. Sure. I think he'll have opportunities elsewhere. But yeah, no, I think, I mean, honestly, if you're the Eagles, do you, like, throw the kitchen sink at Joe Brady right now? Right. That's it, I mean, legitimately, though,

like whether it's a ridiculous contract or, I mean, autonomy is already on the table. for a lot of the top candidates here. Yeah, no, I think you do throw the kitchen sink at Joe Brady. I think you do whatever you can do to get Joe Brady because really, yeah, it's a tier skip after that. Yes, I think so. Over to you for pick number four.

I'm going to go, I'm going to go with not someone who I think is maybe the most exciting, but probably becoming more likely by the day. And I'm going to take Jim Bob Cooter off the board. Wow. I just think I think that Mike Kafka and Jim Bob Cooter are in this tier now where it is

You think he's that likely? If there's urgency to hire somebody or if they don't think that Shieldhouse would join them and they don't think that Joe Brady would then yeah you're starting to look through some guys who aren't necessarily at the top of the list. Again like our top guys

they're off the board now. And like we're now I'm left to parse through who have they interviewed. And can I like squint and see it? And I can squint and see Jim Bob Cooter being the higher. And you know, the cell being, this is Shane Steichen 2.0. This is another example of someone who maybe isn't like, you know, on a constant upward trajectory. But somebody who understands the offense and, you know, has a good feel for games and can call games for them. I think it would be okay to have a very negative.

a reaction to that higher. I would agree. Yeah. I'm not saying. I was doing my research. We're doing likelihood. We're not doing, yeah, I know.

You're not stamping the approval here. I was doing my research here because I think we're all, we're all curious. Do you know what Jim Bomb Cooter's real name is? No, I do not know what his real name is. What is it? James Robert Vagina. Thank you for laughing, Lizzie. It's not even overtime.

What's wrong with you? I was going to save it, but you drafted him. Yeah, it's not a bad word Absolutely. Is it is it I mean it doesn't like our show just went from G to PG I mean I guess yeah with the PG not PG 13 PG Interesting name I'll take your boy I'll take Cliff Kingsbury

You can have them I don't think it's likely I think I think that's still possible We know that they've talked before it's an easier sell than JBC the Junior Bacon Cheeseburger and Yeah

I I I at this point you would have to be fine with Kingsbury I know you are but I think even the fan base would have to be

okay with that I don't I think it would be a great hire I just I don't know about how likely it is but I think it would be a great higher Yeah um Lindsay I sent you something by the way Oh man, I was expecting to see a reaction from Lindsay when she saw the picture. No reaction.

Oh, man. We'll save this from overtime. I'll take Zach Robinson here. Okay. Share the concerns that Mina has. But I don't know. When she was talking, I was looking up, like, Bijan Robinson, like, is a part of their past game. And obviously, he had some huge games last year.

I wouldn't hate that higher for them. I wouldn't hate Zach Robinson, you know, in the outside zone. play action game. If they run out of piss, if they have the pistol, like, as a big part of it, they have to be able to be multidimensional out of it. That has to, like, that is the prerequisite. That is the big if. But no, I think that Zach Robinson, again, like a few years ago,

he was viewed as the same way that Shale House was. Yeah. You know, I, maybe it's the benefit of having gone through the process of installing the offense and, you know, getting, being out on your own, maybe he benefits from that experience. But yeah, no, again, we're kind of, none of these are super inspiring. None of these are like pound the table you feel amazing about it. I'm going to go with someone off the board who they have not interviewed yet, but we know that Nick thinks fondly of.

That's Tommy Reese. I thought he got a job. Did he? Yeah. You go with Stefanski? Yeah, I think he's going with Stansky. I will confirm that. But, yeah, go on.

Well, I'm not going to draft him if he's already on that staff. Maybe not. Maybe it's not done. All right. And I'm going to put that on the table. Nick has talked about him before. They're friendly. Some people like him as a coach. I think the track record is more uninspiring than you might be led to believe.

But he's a guy. Yeah. These are so depressing at this time. Very quickly. It gets depressing. Because I mean, I'm going to take, I'll take Bobby Sloick next. Okay. I mean. Yeah.

Yeah. Not good for them going up tempo. And the reason I took Slovak is because I knew you wouldn't take the other guy who's on my board. Yeah. I mean, I can't morally do that. So I'm going to go to another off the board one. Here's the guy who you haven't seen mentioned anywhere. The Seahawks passing game coordinator.

Jake Peets. Worked with McVeigh. Sabin back in the day, 40 years old. Okay. If this is a guy worth waiting for, maybe, you slow play. Not Pete Jakes, Jake Pete's. Jake Peets. Do I take Davis Webb here?

Just as a... I mean, it's funny. I said to my wife yesterday, I was like, Lindsay, I think Lindsay likes me more than she likes Bo, but she thinks Bo is really funny. No, she's actually laughing. I don't, I stand by it. I think I'm right.

Wow. That's tough. I'll never say what I like more. You're like my kids. I love you the same. Wednesday night, we hang out. I like you guys are just talking about who likes you.

Well, no, because I was saying, she likes more. Because, you know, on my drive home, I'm talking to Julie about my day. That means you guys are talking smack about me. No, we're not talking smack about you. Oh, my God. So vain. I was saying like, yeah, you know, Lindsay and I, like, after the show, sometimes we'll just hang out.

She'll do her work. I'll do my work. I was like, yeah, I think she probably likes me more than she likes Bo, but she definitely thinks Bo is funny. What a funny comment. Obviously, now I'll be thinking about that. What do you mean? She likes both of us. It's not like she doesn't like you.

I don't know. We all like you. We all love you. twist the knife all right over to you um one last pick before lindsay time oh no i had somebody too i had oh do i go davis web

here i don't think it's going to happen davis web you could do you could do kathka you could do charlie weiss junior i don't want to draft kaffka because i'll get him at the end here so maybe this is the end i'll take i'll take davis web it'd be a good higher I just don't think it's gonna happen do you think it would be

I mean I don't know it's completely unknown it would at the very least be like like a splashy higher yeah yeah true all right we got super chats

we got EJ's tale of being an amazing professor I have a good day in his story a good day in his story as well yeah it's all coming up A little thing They like to call

Lindsay time You said in the last 30 seconds You were trying to curry favor No, I was trying to do it on time You had to set up. You said within the last 30 seconds No, you messed it up The last 10 seconds

Man you can't move the goal You got the overtime yips No one we will talk about that In Lindsay time Super Jeff from Vafka who says Sam Salvo for O-C obviously great for content

Us both frequently or fastidiously googling Oh he's the kid yeah The kid yeah Yeah I'm sorry for that Petula should be flipping burgers Great Go birds

Did the fans throwing eggs Scare OCs away Oh here's what I will Here's what I will say To the the degree that the pressure cooker is a, you know, a negative for candidates. I don't think it is the specific incident of the egg throwing or anything like that. I think it is the general toll on your family it takes to be the focus of everybody's

ire all season long. For instance, your kids being at school and like other kids, you know, being like, you know, being like, your dad sucks. I gotta fire your dad. Like that sounds like a terrible thing for a kid to go through. Yeah,

I think that is real. I don't think we should. I don't know that that is, I mean, I think it's probably overstating it to think that that is a huge role in these negotiations. It's not the reason why guys

are turning the job down, but I also don't think it's good to minimize it or like invalidate how bad that is. Good point. Travis Weaver. Mina endorsing Kingsbury and then comparing Wilson and Hertz

has EJ's heads the clouds. Imagine if she calls it chocolate cake. Oh, man. Could have been. Could have been three for three. Take me back there. How I was feeling then.

Rocky 4, 2279. Clint Kubiak, an option. He's the Niners one. I think you mean Cliff? No, Clint. Clint is the Seahawks. He can't go anywhere. He's a play caller already.

Correct. But the Niners guy could because he's not a play caller. The other KKK. Yeah. Yeah, but I, I think I saw Shanahan say, Carl, it's Clay. Clay Coupiac.

I think I saw Shanahan say, like, he calls plenty of plays here. Like, I wouldn't allow it. I don't know what the league rules would be around that, but yeah, I think there would be resistance. Okay. Should we do one more pick each? Sure. I mean, yeah, we're just, we're grasping at straws here.

I'll go, I'll just say Matt Nagy. Mike Kafka. Get excited, everybody. See what I mean about, like, waiting for Shieldhouse might be the logical thing to do. A lot of the guys who you would hire, a lot of the guys on this list, they're not going anywhere. You could take two weeks and interview Shield House and see, I mean, Davis Webb. One of the guys still in it, you at least could hold out, talk to them, and then make the decision. Yeah.

So I think I think that this show, because, you know, one thing I appreciate about our show is like. Neither of us drafted Arthur Smith, by the way. It could be an oversight. You know, the thing I like about our show is I've always been someone who likes to talk through something to really figure out how I feel about it. And when I got to the studio today, I would have said to you like, yeah, I think they probably would make this higher in the next couple days. Like, we're getting down to it. Yeah, I would have thought so, too. I've talked myself completely out of that.

I think that they're going to have to wait. I think they're going to have to wait to see if they can get the second wave of offensive coordinator candidates here. I think if they hire someone this week, it's probably key. Kingsbury or Grizzard. Yeah, but they haven't interviewed Kingsbury.

And I understand what you mean like they know Kingsbury but still they would have had a formal interview with him if it was serious. But it could also be they have their interview on Thursday and hire him Friday.

Yeah. I think they will try to wait for Brady and then just see how everything else shakes out after that. Yeah. No, I mean, Brady would be,

if they hire Joe Brady then there's all this consternation was for nothing. Yeah, but I don't understand why, like, Could you imagine if the bills hired Dable? What bad process that would be?

That would be strange, but it doesn't matter to be. All right. So tell me why you left class last night. I told you. Feeling. I told you. It was well received. It was a good discussion.

Like, I've got a lot of students who are active in class. They, like, you know, they really, I mean, like, when I ask questions, I answer the questions. So, yeah, it was a good, it was a good two-way discussion, a two-way lecture. It's funny. shout out to Jordan Rodriguez. She was one of the three reporters I put up on the screen, you know, as my journalism crushes. I don't know if the audience is going to be familiar with that

phrase, but, you know, people whose work you admire so much that you call them your journalism crush, right? Can you at least affirm that that's what we do so that people don't think I'm weird? Well, yes, I know. I affirm that that that's something you do. I don't, there aren't a lot of other people. Shea crush or like journalism? This is a thing that I would say 95% of the time that I've heard it in my life, it has come out of your mouth. Really? Yeah. Okay. Well, it must be like maybe it's a temple thing. Maybe it's just a... I certainly understand. You understand the premise. Yeah, of course. Yeah. But what, shout out to Jordan because I put her Carly or say Gordon's story up as, you know, one of the examples, because we did media critiques where, you know, everybody read a story and they'd said, you know, so told me what they thought about the lead, the nut graph, quotes, so on and so forth. And it was funny because I had like these like do's and don'ts with nut graphs and leads. And Jordan's story, I didn't mean for this to happen. It just. you know, she's awesome.

Just like everything I said to do in a nut graph, she had in there, everything I said not to do. Obviously she didn't do. So all the students were like, yeah, she did this and she did that. And I was like, yeah. So shout out to Jordan. Shout out to Jordan. So I have a funny day.

When we hopefully have Jordan on during the Super Bowl, I will bring up that story as well, the Ursaac Gordon story and tell you that embarrassing story about myself. Okay. I think you were going to try and make me feel weird for admiring Jordan's works. much. I think we've made you feel weird enough this week. You've made me feel weird. No, I haven't felt weird this week. Um, I'm for the record, I want to apologize for the pound cake take. I was

wrong about that. Just wrong. Big of you. Like, you can have pound cake and a loaf. I haven't had pound cake in a loaf, but that doesn't mean that there's, that it doesn't exist. Okay. But I also want the apology to illustrate that I am not apologizing to, right? Yeah, you're not fully dogmatic in your incorrect cake. Yes. This one you're hanging on to. Yeah, but I was wrong about the pound cake. My mother and law texted me a picture of like when you Google pound cake.

This is what shows up. You can have it in a loaf. That's fine. You can have it on a mof. Okay, whatever you say. Yeah. Um, my funny Dana's story. So I was texting him about like how I'm trying to learn this program that all professors

use. Yeah. For their classes. And I was telling how excited I was to give the kids like the class notes and everything. And he was like, oh, I just have my TAs do that. What a flex. Big flex over here. Mr. TAs.

Yeah. Maybe one day. I don't think I'll be, I'll ever be that big time to have TAs. Okay. Yeah. Um, you were disappointed by the. A little bit a little bit I mean I thought it was a good flag so I my TAs handle that stuff for yeah I couldn't be bothered doing that Yeah, he's got to see he's spending too much time doing charts for us

Do you think the TAs ever help with the charts? No, he would know he would never he would never offload something that important Fair. Yeah Did we have one other thing or no? I don't think so we got a show tomorrow are we doing any other draft picks? No We're out nobody's taking Arthur Smith for the love of God no Did you want to interrogate me about my wife being on vacation without me? I wasn't going to, but now, now that you mention it, there's nothing really going on. What's going on? My wife went on a trip with her sister.

Okay. Yeah. Where are they going? They went on a cruise. They went on a cruise. I don't want to put all their business out there. What are they going? I don't think it's the type of cruise where they're like going somewhere.

you mean it's the kind of cruise that's docked the whole time no like they're probably just going like a circle they're in Florida I mean of course it's going somewhere I don't put their business out leave let them let them let you know what no one's asking you for like the cruise line or anything like that but they're not on a Disney cruise cruise okay so truly as to yourself what is that what's that going to

mean? It means. What will you do that, you know, you couldn't do if you were in mixed company? He was going to borrow Julius lotion. You know what's really bad? I already I already borrowed Julius lotion today. I will be playing a lot of football manager. Because when Julia's home, like, I can't play football manager for hours because it's like you're not talking and it's just kind of like you might as well not be there so yeah i'll get home play a lot of football manager order a lot of door dash i mean i will you do a thing where like you eat over the sink like uh come on i'm not like a like a bachelor yeah one of my

friends calls maybe this is an expression but they call uh like eating a rotisserie chicken over the sink is like like like bachelor it's a bachelor dinner yeah like bachelor dinner yeah um no i i i i won't do that stuff. I probably won't do the dishes very quickly. Um, but otherwise, no, I will just, I'll just enjoy. I don't even know. Playing football manager is really the answer. Okay. Yeah. Just stuff that like I won't have to like be, I won't talk for hours. I'll talk to the dogs probably. The dogs are going to be really upset though. Julia is like the constant. I'm the one who leaves a lot, you know, for work. She is always there. Are you going to be reminiscing about times like this?

Oh, yeah. That's right. Look at that. Wow. No helmet, huh? This was literally just me moving my motorcycle around the parking lot. I always wore a helmet. I always wore a jacket, gloves.

I was always safe. Yeah. No, this was college me. Did you like take it on a road trip? No, I wrote it in Seattle. But I had it shipped to Seattle. I wasn't a confident enough rider. when I went out for my internship to ride across the country.

Okay. But no, that was that, you know, that 2016 trend. What's the fastest year? That was 2016 for me. The fastest? I mean, probably, it was definitely triple digits. There's this, there's this weird trend in motorcycling. It's called like the Daily 100.

It's like hit 100 every day. I would do that. Yeah. I was, it sounds dangerous. I was a very safe rider, though. I mean, like, you go 100 miles an hour. I'm like in a controlled area. I wouldn't do it now.

Like 95. E.J. I don't ride anymore. That's terrifying. I don't ride anymore. A hundred dollars an hour every day. You're tempting fates, man. I was fine.

I was young. Frontal lobe wasn't developed. It's all good. I did it. I was a very safe rider. I had all the gear. It's hard to believe that now that you said that. No, I was very safe.

Trying to do 100 miles an hour every day. I was very, very safe. I sold that bike because I didn't have, I was commuting to the city every day. I didn't have a use for it. And when I sold it, I was like, I'll just get another bike when the right opportunity presents itself. And the guy rode off on my motorcycle who bought it from me.

And Julia comes up to me and like puts her hand on my shoulder and says, that's the last motorcycle you'll ever owe. Good job by her. So, yeah. I miss it though. It was fun. riding is riding in controlled areas safely it's a nice time yeah you're making that sound like that but then your controlled area is 95 i wouldn't do 100 every day if i'm still riding if i was riding

now i probably would do like off-roading more than anything else like dirt bikes okay well maybe when you're like 70 yeah maybe i don't know that seems harder like scarier I would never be like a cruiser guy, you know, like with the high, high handlebars, loud motorcycles. That wasn't my thing. How come? I mean, that's just, what about me would suggest that I would want like a really loud motorcycle? I don't know. You drive a motorcycle.

No, I enjoyed it for like the freedom you feel on a motorcycle. Okay. Lindsay, what do you think of this? I would never ride a motorcycle. Does this change the stack rank of who you like the most? No, it doesn't. There's no way. Don't speak for her.

Don't man explain her own opinions to her. Let the woman speak for herself. I don't know. I thought E.J. was like responsible guy. I am responsible now. Maybe we should do a daily leaderboard. That doesn't sound toxic at all. All right.

Good stuff, everybody. We will be back tomorrow. Unless the Eagles have hired an offensive coordinator before then. I think we'll do some season superlatives, right? Yeah. Sounds fun. Unless we got news. Unless we got news.

So that'll be fun. You know what? We just keep on, keeping on. There's always something to talk about. Soon enough, it'll be Radio Row. Then it'll be the Combine,

free agency, league meetings, draft season. It's all very condensed. It's actually more condensed this year than it's been in, years past as I was looking at the calendar. So there's no

downtime here on the PHY Eagle Show. With that said, we'll talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. Or E.J. and Lindsay, thank you, Mina Kimes. I'm Bo, and as always, we love you.