PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Is there hope for Nick Sirianni and the 2–2 Philadelphia Eagles?

Episode Date: September 30, 2024

Things seem terrible for the Eagles after their ugly blowout loss in Tampa. Vic Fangio’s defense sucks against 21st century offenses. Jalen Hurts is the league’s most generous QB to opposing defenses. The vibes are abysmal. And yet, they are still 2-2 and they’ve been without A.J. Brown for three of those games. Zach Berman tries to talk some reason into a frenzied fan base while Bo Wulf tries to poke holes in his optimism. Should be fun! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast presented by Bet365. Download the Bet365 app and use code P.H.L.Y. 365 when you sign up, whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bet365. A little studio A surprise on a Monday, Bo Wolf, Zach Berman. Unknowingly, we have matched in our outfits today. And so you know that means it's going to be a good day. How are you doing, Zach? How are your travels? Doing well early morning this morning, 445. I missed the studio A posture. Your studio A posture. I had forgotten all about it. It's nice to see it again. It's great to see you. Great to be in studio.

This is our first Monday day after show of the season. Because last week, travel was an issue. The week before was a Monday night game. The week before it was a Friday night game. This is our first Monday day after. what a way to celebrate it right the wounds are fresh but yeah i i spent time going through the game as quick as i could i listened to the pod from yesterday great show you guys did and uh prepared some stuff uh asked nick syriani i'm not going to be able to do that because the eagles changed

the time if anybody watching is wondering why the uh the anxiety is dripping off of your face yeah you're missing the syriani press i mean i yeah i i had uh i had like an easier time nailing down like you know times for dates in high in in college than I did like any Eagles press conference it bounces week to week day to day right mr. mr. Syracuse Lothario he's nailing down all these dates no that was actually that was supposed to be self-deprecating it's like that I was picking something that was hard to do right and then uh so yeah the time got changed again so uh all it took all it took was uh an ugly loss in Tampa Bay a two and two record heading into the by week for our old friend HZ to show up.

No, nothing like that. Nothing like that. But the point is, if there are updates from Nick Ziriani, I'd rather be your course. What would you ask him? What would be your question? So let's get it out there. Sure. Yeah, in case the felt beat writers are watching this right now.

Yeah, or in case Nick is watching it right now. In case Nick's watching you right now. What's up, Nick? I have a lot. I want to ask you. So there's a few things, but really, I mean, I want to harp on the slow start. on games and to be the only team in the NFL that has not scored a point in the first quarter I think is I think bad's a fair to describe it yeah but I think that's that that's a major part

of the play for the offensive for the team because they're playing from behind I had a stat in my story on all p h.ly.com they played from behind like if you look at the total clock time okay 29th in the NFL in terms of playing from behind interesting that's a good number so that's that's problematic and you look at yesterday's game specifically three and out three and out three and out so why there's a few things here what's kellen moore's approach with an opening script what are they you know in the opening script is it a matter trying to see what the defenses what the defenses looks are is it um is it like the plays you know is a certain money plays is a certain down and this is a certain situations uh but but this has been a problem going

It's been a problem throughout the season, and it's been something that they need to fix because when they're at their best, I said this on the show yesterday. It's something you talked to like longtime Eagles. They referenced this. The best teams they have jumped early there built to be front runners, jump to leads. Then you have this offensive line that can control the line and scrimmage thereafter. You can run the ball in the second half of games. And you have these pass rushers in theory who can pin their ears back.

that's the expression you always hear they're not a team this is like the the joe banner template exactly exactly and how we learn this from joe or or it's really and you read as well right and you read as well right and so i don't think the way this team's constructed they're as as good playing from behind because i think jowen's a different quarterback in those situations i think he forces more things you know the term jami used on the show is hero ball however you want to frame it uh I think Jalen doesn't play as well when he's from behind. Now, someone could look at this and say, look at his game-winning drives. I get that.

And it's different. You know, I don't consider playing from behind, you know, one drive that win the game. I consider it more like you're constantly chasing, you know, chasing the score. And certainly in yesterday's game, they were doing that. And it was a major problem. So that's one thing I would want to ask Nick. Well, and part of the curiosity about that. is the continuing fascination about, you know, what Nick Siriani's role is in all things,

and especially in the offense. And it would stand to reason, presumably, that the thing that he is probably most involved in in terms of like the offensive play calling is the script that they put together during the week, right? Sure. Probably. Yeah, I mean, I was hesitant there because everything I hear is that they really do like respect or, this really is Kellan Moore's offense. Like, Kellyn Moore's putting the game plans together.

Nick's just telling them to make a right turn when they light is yellow. I think from kind of my understanding is that there was like a little too much made out of the play last week that I think Nick was trying to like be like after win like the fall on the sword guy. And this this doesn't happen like that frequently. But certainly. But that's why it's worth. But that's why it would make sense. I mean, he's in the offensive game plan meetings. Yes, exactly.

And his voice carries weight. He's not surprised on Sunday by what they're calling. Right. And so that is the thing that you would think that he is most involved in. Exactly. Yeah. And that they go into a game feeling excited about this, feeling comfortable about this. Sure.

And so I understand that their pushback to me on this question could be, well, the first play, I mean, Seigon was open downfield. But first of, I don't think that was the design of the play. You know, that was just kind of, you know, Jaywin extended it, Sequin leaked behind. I don't think the play was designed to go 75 yards to Saquan Barclay or whatever it was. And then the first down, the next play, oh, I'm sorry, the first down, the next drive, Dallas got it dropped it. It was a well-designed play.

I think you run out of times when you can say that, well, the play worked. It just didn't actually work, right? So that's where you have to look at what the results are. and what it sets up to. And I'm not a run the ball in first down, run the ball and first down guy. But I did think yesterday's game in particular, they couldn't afford to play behind the sticks.

And invariably they were playing behind the sticks. I think it was third in 10, third in nine, third and 11, right? Or they're about storing those first three drives. Yeah. I mean, there's no doubt that with the offensive weapons they had yesterday to be down 14-0 by the time they got the ball a second time, obviously not ideal. And I think it was a surprise

that they didn't lean a little bit more heavily into Seiquot early. But from a Jalen perspective, I can't stop thinking about that first play of the game. Yeah. That was the most important play to me because Sequan's open. That is a touchdown.

Put the ball out there. And he just throws it away. It was bizarre. I mean, I'm sorry. You're paying the quarterback this money. He's supposed to be a franchise quarterback. Make that throw. Yeah.

And I asked, yelling about this after the game like I specifically said and I framed it. What are we doing? I thought it was important for me to frame it this way. I said I know it's easy for me to ask this from this side of, I set the podium, the lectern, really, from this side of the lectern. Yeah, from this side of the lectern. But do you think you should have hit Sequin on that first play? And he admitted, yeah, there was a play to be made.

He threw it away. I don't know why he threw it away there. Well, it's weird for him to see you threw it away because he didn't just, if he was throwing it away, he would have just like plopped it out five yards pass along a scrimmage. It's like you tried to get it there. And so that's why I wanted to watch it back today because I didn't know if there was like a safety that I didn't see that wasn't, you know. And there was not. Yeah, exactly. Because sometimes it's a touchdown just waiting to be thrown.

Yeah. So it's like if you float it up there, the safety's closing in on it. But no, that was not the entire field to work with. And and by the way, Sequin, Seekon is a good. body language guy like saycone just did the like that like the but yeah sayquan didn't do like yeah yeah say yeah say gone didn't do that yeah i i i was kind of like it was kind of like the end of the game i mean i don't know about the end of the game but kind of was but that but yeah well you in a situation when you don't have a j brown and devonthe smith you need to make plays when

plays are there to be made okay um now the concede for the show today sack is the two of us have come up with three big picture questions here for each other, some discussion topics. And I will start with you because I think you are of the two of us, the more optimistic relative to the Eagles. I like to say pragmatic, but okay. I would say you're looking at things through midnight green colored glasses. Oh, I disagree. I'm going to really push back on that, though.

I don't like that characterization. why yeah no i i i think i'm not a sky is falling type person okay so so let's start with this let's try to be let's try to be nice let's let's try to not say that the sky is falling so just very basically what is the optimistic case that this team can turn into a super bowl contender yeah so the optimistic because i don't want to to me the bar is not like oh this team could make the playoffs sure they could when i think i think what is my big concern about the team right now this team is this team team doesn't matter okay so yeah i mean i think that there's a few ways that i could i i could frame this yesterday was ugly sure right when i say i'm not an i'm not an alarmist i'm not a yeah i do take

umbrage to the midnight green colored glasses characterization but i'm not an alarmist i think sometimes there there are bad games that you have and has jeline said sometimes you have to flush them right and so what i try to separate is is what's what is what is When he said that whenever it was, when you take you a deuce, what do you do? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you flush it. Yeah. So I think what you have to do is you have to say, all right, what is isolated to this game? Sure.

And what is a big picture problem, a global problem, if you will. And then you look at the circumstances that are at play. Frankly, if you had told me before the season that going into the by, that going into the by, they would be missing A.J. Brown for three games. Okay. They'd be missing Devante Smith for a game and a half, or actually, well, here, let's just say Devonthe Smith and Lane Johnson for a game. Okay. That the Saints or 2 and O leading the league in point differential when they went to play then.

And you kind of went and that the Bucks were a better team than I expected, right? I would say, okay, yeah, I think two and two is a fine outcome. there. Now, the way they got the two and two isn't good. And I really push back on this idea. You know, someone said to me, you know, really, if you think about it, they're a Sequin dropped from being three and one. And I'm like, yeah, they're also a third and 16 conversion away from being one and three. Right. So you can't do that. They are. But I think two and two, given some of the circumstances, three of these games were essentially on the road. I say essentially because the first game was a home game. But let's call it a road game for all intents and purposes,

right? Neutral side game. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Neutral side game. Okay. So two and two. Okay.

And then you look, their next four games are against teams with losing records. There are 10 teams in the NFL with losing records. Eagles play six of those teams, including the Giants twice. All right? So I think there is a, there's a path here to get to double-digit wins. Like I think that's reasonable. it's not unrealistic they they're going to get their best players like with the injuries we're talking about are not season ending injuries i'm expecting a j brown lane johnson back after the by we'll see about

devante smith i haven't spoken to devante i i don't know the nature of devonthe's concussion i mean it would be pretty concerning if the concussion keeps them out for three weeks but but yeah so so let's say these guys are back uh there was a school of thought that that some of the scheme adjustments would take a little bit of time sure i think that's an excuse but i think that's an excuse but i think think there is, you can make that argument to me. So I don't think the sky is falling on this team. I think there are ways, parts of how they're playing are major concerns to me. And I say, all right, this might be hard to fix. But I think the circumstances are in place for this team to still be a double-digit-win team. And if you're a double-digit-win team,

then you can make noise in the playoffs. Plus, the best team in the NFC right now is Minnesota. four games. I get it. But look, San Francisco has warts. Los Angeles is one and three. Green Bay is two and two. Detroit's two and one. We'll see what they do in their next game here. But I look at this, like, I don't, you don't have the chiefs in your way here. Right. And if you look around the NFL right now, a lot of these Super Bowl contenders are in similar spots to where the Eagles are, right? I don't know. I mean, right now they have one of the worst defenses in football. And what's the hope that they're going to get mediocre?

Well, so when we talk about reasons for concern past rushes. Well, let's split this up. Let's talk about the defense. I think there is hope that the defense can be better because they can't be much worse. As long as they're playing a 21st century offense, they've been awful. So I think, you know, maybe Kubridjean playing. Nickel is going to change things somewhat. Maybe Vic Fan, it's just the Vic Fangio scheme takes some time.

I don't know why that would be the case. And certainly the game plan yesterday did not make a lot of sense, just letting Baker Mayfield get rid of the ball as quickly as he did. But there is some talent on defense. And there's a reason to hope that they can get to like below average. Like that would be nice. And then on offense, yeah, sure. If they get A.J. Brown back, the hope is that it's just the power of A.J. Brown.

He's the best player on the team, and when he's healthy, he completely changes the offense. But I think the underlying things of like maybe Kellyn Moore is not really giving them any kind of schematic advantage, which was laid bare yesterday. Jalen is not playing at a high level. And if he can only play well with A.J. Brown and Devante Smith, that's not great either. Except if he's playing with A.J. Brown and Defante Smith, right? I guess. Yeah, I mean, it's, yeah. If he plays great with A.

Or if he can play great with A.J. and Devante, the team is built to have A.J. and Devante. Sure. It's not built to have $25 million on the injured list, right? So, or in this case, yesterday, $55 million on the injured list. So I, yeah, I, look, I think there's major concerns. I was answering the framing of your question. Sure. Which is the optimistic case.

I see in the chat, you know, the Forest for the Trees conversation, I just don't. I don't think you ever pick your head up at week four and say, this is how it is. So much evolves, so much changes. I mean, I covered a Giants team that was five and five that went on to win the Super Bowl, right? You know, we've seen throughout Eagles history times when, now we've seen times when it's gone bad, when it's gone from bad to worse. But there would be times when, you know, it's a week-to-week league. And I say it every week's a season. and I think the conversation we're having now

is different than the conversation we would have had a week ago and it might be different than the conversation we would have the Monday after the Browns game. So that's why I try to kind of gather as much information as I can before I make

like the type of evaluation that they're not a Super Bowl team and I think it's premature to say that right now. If you had to bet the book sales of the franchise curated history of the first. The sales. Okay.

Yeah, you've already got the advance. I've already pocketed the advance. If you had to bet the sales on the Eagles either miss the playoffs or make the NFC championship game, what would you say? I think they're more likely to miss the playoffs to make the NFC championship. Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, well, first off, statistically, that's the case, right? But I think in terms of the way they're playing, yeah, they're much more apt to not make the – I mean, to be one of the last four teams standing. Yeah, I mean, I see – I'm looking at the chat.

Jason's – I feel like Darius Slay right here, right? give all my, I want to give my, my career resume here. The Pennsylvania sports writer of the year. You're talking about. This is two seasons of this crap, right? And he didn't say crap. I do think that there is like, expecting them to look like the 2022 version of themselves.

Yeah. It's hope for hope sick. Yeah. I just, I don't get high after wins. I don't get low after losses. I try to stay right here. Okay.

Yeah. And I think they've been, they've been down here for most of the past like 10 games. Yeah, I mean, I separate last season from this season, but I thought I didn't think the Packers game was as great as it may seem. I thought last week there were problems with the offense for sure. When I say last week, the Saints game, it's just it's not even October. It's September 30th here.

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All right. What's your first question for me, my friend? My first question for you is, let me pull this up here. You're Nick Siriani, okay? Okay. You're sitting in the driver's seat. He's in the passenger seat, supposedly. How do you go about trying to fix this during the buy week? So I'm Jeffrey.

So here, I'm Jeffrey Lurie and I come to you and I say, Nick, I'm not firing you, but you need to fix this. Okay. what's your plan during these next two weeks? I get a time machine and tell Jeffrey to fire me back in January. Well, that is not working. I mean, I think on offense, you have to hope that it's just like the power of AJ Brown and Devante Smith getting healthy. It doesn't seem, and I know people are saying this in the chat, like we're seeing like the Kellynne Moore offense that people expected other than week one has not looked like those expectations. The problem is, the problem is if I'm Nick Serian, I'm fixing things, I don't have a say in any of the schematics, right?

So what I'm probably doing is I'm taking the conversation that Howie and I had talking past each other at the combine, each of the past several off seasons. And it's like, okay, we're going to actually play the young guys. So like, let's put Cooper DeGine on the field instead of Avantamatics and hope that that makes us look better in December. you know, maybe I'm talking to Jahan Dotson and be like, this is what a wide receiver does because right now he's been the least productive wide receiver in the NFL by a long shot. The problem with the framing of this question, not that it's a bad question, it's just we don't know what he does.

So like if he's the head coach of the football team, but so it's all about relationships, right? What's he doing during the buy week? I don't know. Going to Cabo with Jalen Hertz? Probably not. So do you think there's a Hertz Siriani dynamic that Lori should be worried about right now? Absolutely.

I mean, tell us what Jalen said yesterday in the postgame press conference when he was asked about like a conversation that he and Nick have about the identity. Yeah. So he was asked to you and Jalen discuss this. I'm sorry, do you and Nick like discuss this and like the best plan forward? And he said we have our moments, which is like an odd, which is not an answer. And as you like to say, nothing with Jalen is unintentional. Exactly. Every single time, every single time he is given like the softest softball to talk about him and Nick's relationship.

He just completely shuts it down. I'm going to say like I'm not a relationship counselor. Okay. But if you were ever talking, if someone ever asks you about your relationship and your answers, we have our moments, it's probably a fragile relationship. There is no context. football, marriage, fatherhood, friendship, when you say we have our moments. And it's like, all right, you're good, right?

Like, seriously. Like, you know, if your buddy, you know, is, is, uh, is it a, you know, you say, I'm thinking about proposing. Yeah. And everything's going. And we have our moments. You know, you know, it's like, it's, it's like, how's your new boss? We have our moments, right?

Like, there's, there's no situation that where we have our moments. is a good answer. So I don't know what Jowen was thinking there. And I don't know if you thought it was going to be like a good sound bite. But yeah, that is, that's an odd one. But of course, now, I don't think Jeffrey's newly worried about it. I don't think any of this is news to Jeffrey. This is part of the like the decision making they made in the offseason.

And I do think that the first four games of the season have been a. repudiation of the theory behind like everything they did from an organizational standpoint this offseason, right? Like, okay, we're going to keep Nick. We're going to install these adults as coordinators on the other side of the ball. We're going to let Nick focus on their relationships.

And the way that they built that, it has turned out like they cannot be surprised by the fact that every single week becomes a Nick Siriani conversation. What is he doing here? Should he be fired? like every game is about that. That's not a surprise.

And then in terms of getting what they thought they were getting with these experienced coordinators, the Fangio experience has not been good so far. And they sort of like traded in some of their organizational tenants in order to bring him in. Jalen Carter is playing almost 80% of the snaps. It's not looking good. And he can't adjust to, you know,

Baker Mayfield throwing the ball quickly. Defense has been very bad. And on offense, they're not doing anything special. They're not doing anything interesting. Like you had a whole week to prepare for not having AJ Brown and Devante Smith. I didn't see anything fun schemed up, right? So that's not looking good. And the relationship between Nick and Jalen is not getting any better.

Like Jalen is still being incredibly passive aggressive. Yeah, so I made a comment to someone yesterday after Nick's press conference because Nick had three questions, three different questions. And I asked one of them about like Jalen Hertz making this fumble, you know, committing this fumble. and every time he absolved he can consistently absolves jailing and i got to think this is uh almost like whether it's it's intentional or it's a directive to him yeah it's like let's let's not um you know let's let's be careful with jellan uh but what happened to he likes to be coached hard yeah exactly and what happened to accountability is the third yeah the third uh core value right uh connect compete accountability.

Yeah. So unless that order got changed for the off season. Nonetheless, yeah, I don't think, I think if you taught, if you want, and look, I'll say this about Nick, if you want to stick your chest out about accountability, it's not just behind the scenes. And this job, there's also public accountability. And when you, and I, I know that they, so you mentioned this, the Siriani conversation that happens every week.

The Eagles explain that away of, oh, Philly. that's so tough. You hear national media saying that the Siriani press conferences, you know, it's like a war zone interview, I think was the expression I heard today. I'm at all these press conferences. Nick's not getting it that bad right now, right? Number one. And number two, like, I think the organization's messages is all, Philly's just so, it's so tough. This just comes with it. I don't even think that. I don't think that's, that's what it is. And I don't think you need to, like, scold your, your quarterback all the time. but if he throws an interception,

hold him accountable. Like, he's a grown man. He's, he's the franchise quarterback. You shouldn't need to tip-y-toe around him. And the reason my antenna's up on that is because that started to happen with Carson,

where they were very worried, because they were worried about the Carson's psyche. And it's like, you know, and, and so having lived through the Carson thing, I don't think you should be tiptoeing around your quarterback. And I think that Nick,

I find has been like really pushing the Jalen. I think that's a good point. Yeah. And so I'm going to skip ahead to what was my number three question because I think this is the right time to do it. If we accept, the premise for this question is Jalen is plateauing at best, right? If not getting a little bit worse. If that is the case and Jalen is,

going the way of Carson is a stretch, right? But if he is not taking that leap, and if he's not a top 10 quarterback, and he's not making the people around him better, what do you think it is about this organization that makes it seem like the case that they can have these meteoric rises and then things just sort of filter out?

And the relationships organizationally with the quarterbacks become strained. Yeah, it's a good question. So there are two ways of answering this. First off, one thing you can say is that their philosophy is to set the market as opposed to chasing the market. So they were quick on the jail and deal. They were quick on the Carson deal, right? After they gave both those guys contracts before, like right when they were allowed to, basically.

And they also believe very much in empowering the quarterback. And you have you've seen that. I think there was some talk about not necessarily doing that with, like, Carson was very much empowered. But that could be one of the answers. I think kind of another answer here is that, is that, like, you look around the NFL right now, this is happening with quarterbacks. I mean, Trevor Lawrence is really struggling, right? You know, I mean. Your friend was making this point.

pointed after the show yesterday. Like every, every fan base is upset with their quarterback. Exactly. The Bengals are fans are mad at Joe Burr. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

I just look at, you know, like the top quarterback in the league right now, Sam Darnold, right? If you, if you like, like Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Jaden Daniels, Baker Mayfield,

are like the top performing quarterbacks right now, right? Now Mahomes, it has, has no one and they're winning. But, and I say, and I say no one, he's,

Hollywood Brown hasn't played. He lost where she, yesterday as Isaiah Pacheco. But there are a lot of highly paid quarterbacks, highly paid quarterbacks who are not having those prolific seasons. I mean, Trevor Lawrence is really struggling.

Justin Herbert hasn't been outstanding this year. Kyler's been hot and cold a bit. And you can go on down the list. Stafford hasn't been that great this year. So I think that there's a conversation overall about how quarterbacks are functioning in the NFL right now.

and that's probably one way they could rationalize it or explain it away. But I, the question you asked, I asked Howie Roseman after they traded Carson. The first question is, what would you learn the next time you have a franchise quarterback? And Howie's answer is that he hopes that like quarterbacks always feel like they have a relationship with the front office. So he kind of disagreed with the premise of the question. And I also don't want to over like, look, Carson, what? But, you know, Jalen is turning the ball over a too high clip right now. This is not like 2020 Carson.

2020 Carson was horrendous. And this is not horrendous. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's certainly a much better player. Yeah, exactly. Absolutely. So I don't want to react to that. Yeah.

And it's not, yeah, he's not a horror show. Yeah. But he is. And he's not injury prone right now either. Well, that's true. But I mean, you know, the turnover numbers are insane. You know, he leads. I think he's second in interception since the start.

last season to Sam Howell and he has the most fumbles in the league. So if you take it's not even just fumble luck like just total fumbles. And he leads the league in turnover. It's like that's not good. But I do think it is the point I think the relationship thing is actually like the thing that is more likely to be structural and an actual. Interesting. Rooted problem in the organization. And I don't know if it is because it is a in a post-chip Kelly world.

a GM-centric organization and a player-centric organization, like a player empowerment organization, where the head coach is not the most important, is the least important part of those three parts of the triangle, right? And so that makes it so that the quarterback has more power and the player dynamic is weird. I mean, the Carson Doug thing was not great either, right?

Yeah, at the end, yeah. I wonder if that is part of it. But we shouldn't be on here so many times saying, Jamlin, just say one nice thing about your coach because, like, you know, I get Ken Bone to ask Jalen a press conference question. Like, can you say something nice about Nick? I can hear people saying you guys, you guys make too much of this coach quarterback dynamic. Like, Jalen, it's the, he gets these layup questions. Yeah.

And he turns it into. Yeah, it's like he, I'll use the analogy. I use the at the last day of minicamp. It's like you get a layup question and you take the ball and you run to half. court and you throw it over your head. Like there's no need to do it like that. All right. What you got?

My next question for you, Bo, is turkeys of concern. Okay. Okay. One, coaching. Two, quarterback. Three, overall roster. Now, am I, am I Jeffrey or am I... You're Bo.

Me. Your Bo. Your best at being Bo. So I'm not... I am not particularly concerned about the coaching because I'm sort of writing off the coaching. And that includes the coordinators, by the way. Yeah, I know. Big picture, I'm probably most concerned about the quarterback.

Okay. Because, like, they can replace the coaches. How we can bounce back from what we will get to was looking like a pretty bad offseason. But, you know, we've seen him ride these waves before. I don't know what they're going to do if Jalen is not good enough. So that's probably like big picture. I would put I'd put like 50 turkeys on the quarterback. I would probably put, let's, I don't know, let's say 35 on the coaches and 15 on roster construction.

Now, I do think that roster construction, and you know what, actually, let me flip that because I think big picture, the roster is actually a pretty big concern. the coaches they can fix. So I'm going to go like five on the coaches and 45 on the roster. I do believe that they can like the the life cycle of an NFL roster is pretty short so that they can eventually turn us around quickly. But I do think that there are real problems about the roster, specifically the defensive line and the pass rush is not good enough given the investment there.

And you know, you've got like who are the guys who are going to be, you're sure going to be on this team next year and they're going to be. be really, really good. The two wide receivers. I think Lane's playing next year. Quineon Mitchell. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, maybe late. I mean, the four of five offense. And Jordan and Jolada you're expecting. And Cam Juergens. And Cam Juergens. And Jalen Carter. Yeah, but Jalen Carr is, I mean, he's played one good game. Yeah, but he'll be on the team.

Oh, he'll be on the team. Yeah. But yeah, that's fair. I don't know. How about you? How would you answer it? Well, I just want to say in the, in the, in the myopia of this season. Yes, I think the coaching is a real problem.

Your friend Noah Becker had a tweet that made me laugh where it was... He said, you know the stories coming out after the season about how Nick Siriani really loved Jahan Dotson. That was a response to my tweet about John Dotson. Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah. You can definitely see that. Like, that's the...

Yeah, but I think that is... That is no way that's true. Like, they didn't make that trade because Nick, like... No, I know, but the... Well, I know. The framing of it's like... They'll try to blame it on him, but that was absolutely a how he left.

It's like the front office. loved Justin Jefferson, but those coaches made us take Joe and Rager. Yeah, I hear it. Now, it's not at that scale. Yeah, so I look at this as kind of like the responsibility for the season and then the big picture concern. You're right. Everything kind of goes back to the quarterback.

But so, but for this season, I'm putting the coaching. I'm putting the coaching higher for this season because one of the things that like is a major concern for me right now. is they just look unsound and unprepared for games. Like they, they get penalized at too high of a rate. They make these foolish mistakes. You know,

we mentioned the Isaiah Rogers play on the show yesterday. And I, like, I, extremely funny play. Yeah. Now, you know, do you coach it? I mean,

I mean, do you need Michael Clay to say in a meeting, like, don't push. Yeah. So that's, I find it hard to, exactly.

But if you look at that as like, like symptomatic of a bigger issue, which is they're an undisciplined team. They're a dumb team. Yeah. They, you know, they, there were multiple third and longs yesterday, which were extended by penalties. Yeah. And like I asked Avanti Maddox about his, the defensive holding one.

And he was. I thought he was already sacked or what? He like pushed back on, he thought it was like a bad call. Now, yeah, he kind of questioned the call, but then he's like, but there was another flag on the play for off sides but it didn't matter yes it does matter because it wouldn't it wouldn't have been an automatic first down like the off sides it would have been what third and eight at that point or third yeah so it's like no it doesn't but there's yeah i i think there's a lot of just uh they're not if and i'll get on i'll get on nick here if you want to recite your core

value so much. And one of the core values is, or let's say two of the core values are fundamentals and football intelligence. Yeah. Right. And you don't tackle well and you make boneheaded plays, then you're not adhering to the core values. You've lost the turnover battle in 12 straight games. Yeah. So let's look at right now, right now the core values that we're violating. Penalties, yeah. Yeah. You know, that goes probably is, you know, accountability, is great. Football intelligence is not so great. Fundamentals, not so great. Yeah. So then you have connected compete. Compete. I mean, they barely, they barely showed up yesterday. So, okay, so you got connect. Yes. You know, they're all, they're all happy in the locker

after the game. Exactly. Yeah. One out of five. So I, um, that's, that's, uh, concerning to me. So that's why I, I, I put more on the coaching, uh, because we talk about things like situational football. I don't think there's that sound and situation. They've been bad at this for long enough. And it's not just, it's not just the decisions that you make. Like, like penalties on third down, that's situational football. J-1-Herts's interception against the Falcons. That's situational football. I would even say his fumble yesterday. Like, I get your point, or I get Nick's point, rather, that the strip sack is not always on the quarterback. Yeah. But you need to, you're, it's a, two-touchdown, it's a two-score game, okay? You're driving. You're on the 20-yard line there.

They're finally in the game again. You're in the 20-yard line there. Which you, you can take a sack, right? It's first down. It's first and ten. You can take a sack. What you can't do is turn the ball over. So the way that they're not adhering to any of these core values, really, except connect. It's a good point. I mean, the plane rides must be fun. That's the extent of it right now. Yeah. I think that's a good point. They've just, they've been doing it for so long. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to believe anything other than that. Yeah. No, tough. The floor is pretty low for the Eagles right now. transition just like it is with our friends at empire today with empire today you get shop at home convenience the right product for your needs quick and professional installation and that price match

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Let's talk about Howie Roseman's offseason. Oh, let's do it. Okay. Howie's going to love this portion of the show. We've got four games of information now. I want you to regrade what Howie did

in the office season, okay. It brings back Alberto on the one-year deal. Resigns BG. He beat the market on Albert O's. Quick to get that one done. Extensions for Landon Dickerson, Jordan Milata,

Jake Elliott, DeVante Smith and AJ Brown locking up those guys. All good moves. Maybe. Sequin Barclay. Especially the Levato one. Yeah.

Seguan Barclay signs to a three-year $38 million deal with $26 million guaranteed, essentially a two-year deal. Bryce Huff jumps on Bryce Huff for three years, $51 million, $34 million guaranteed. Price Huff has a tackle so far this year.

A tackle, right? A tackle. Okay, AJ. One solo tackle, one assisted tackle. Oh, okay. So two total. Don't leave out the assistant. Zach Bonn, signs to a one year, three and a half million dollar deal.

CJ Gardner Johnson, three for 27, 10 million guaranteed. Your boy, Devonte Parker, threw a bag at him. Kenny Pickett, trades for Kenny Pickett, the equivalent of a late third, early fourth round pick. Devin White signs for one year, four million dollars, three and a half million guaranteed. And then you've got Orrin Bird. Avante Maddox comes back. The Josh Schwett restructure keeps James Bradbury around. Trades Hassan Reddick for a 2006 conditional third.

A good turn into whatever it is. And he lets DeAndre Swift and Kevin Byard go. Then there's a draft, which we can also talk about. Quinioni Mitchell, early returns are good on the first round pick. Corporate Jean can't get on the field. Jailix Hunt played some defensive snaps yesterday. Will Shipley. Very funny.

plays the first snap of the game. They got a big package for Will Shipley, 21 personnel, play one, doesn't see the field again, the rest of the game. And then he cuts the best player on the team, Dylan McMahon. So the caveat for all of this, of course, is that they're four games into the season, right?

The Detroit Tigers look different a quarter of the way through. The New York Mets look different according to the way through. The Minnesota twins look different a quarter of the way through, right? So you have to acknowledge that. But the early returns on some of the big ticket signings

or the ones that you thought would be most impactful are not great right now. And in particular, Bryce Huff, because I know Seekwan was the marquee signing. I also didn't add the Jahan Dotson trade. Yes, which we'll get to as well. Bryce Huff was the big signing. And I said on the show yesterday,

the big issue right now they have, from my perspective on defense, is the lack of a pass rush. And Bryce Huff was signed to be their top pass rusher. By the way, if you're hoping that the Eagles reacquire Hassan Redick, that can't happen per NFL rules. Ian Rappaport from the NFL network

Put this out. Yeah, you need to wait two years to do it now. The player's allowed to be cut and bring, and you're allowed to bring them back, but you can't trade a player then trade back for him. It seems like a bad rule. Yeah, it's like they've never been

in a fantasy football league before, right? You know? But yeah, Bryce Huff is... Did you see Baldi's video on Twitter about how Bryce Huff last year, you know, his power, his effectiveness comes in part with a four-point stance and he's being asked to rush out of a two-point stance this year

and it's not looking very good. That's all part of the free agent process, right? You're projecting? I mean, Howie once said something to me that the big challenge in football is that the third baseman for the Yankees can play third base for the Phillies, but the, you know, the defensive,

you know, the pass rusher for the jets can't necessarily go to become the past pressure for the Eagles. Like there's more scheme and technique that are put into this. And yeah, I mean, the Bryce Huff signing so far looks like a disaster. It looks like a disaster in terms of the results they're getting from him, but also the opportunity cost. You had $17 million. And look, let's take away your Brian Burns is of the world, you know, your $25, $30 million.

Jonathan Grenard, who signed for $19 million a year. He's having a good year so far in Minnesota. Good point. I think three, four, has four sacks, I think, through the first four games. That's the best defense or it's one of the best defenses in the NFL right now. He's someone who in our quack etiology. Can sit an edge. What's that?

Can play against the run? Yeah, sitting, like sitting in this room talking about free agents. Yeah. He's someone you really liked. And he was coming off a productive year and he had starting experience. Yep. There are other, you know, there are other edge rushers we can kind of get into. But Bryce Huff was someone that they clearly identified and targeted.

And it has not worked out. and whether Vic Fangio wasn't totally on board or whether they saw in the summer. And I know a counter that I might hear behind the scenes is that, well, Hassan Reddick didn't look like Hassan Reddick early on during his time there. I thought Hassan Reddick, even though he wasn't getting sacks, he was like making productive plays. Bryce Huff isn't even making productive plays. We've gone through Devin White.

That's clearly a miss. Now, Sequan, I give them credit there. Saquan's been one of the best players in football. frankly, Saquan Barkley and Derek Henry have been two of the most consequential free agent signings in the NFL this offseason. And so maybe it makes teams

reevaluate the running back market, at least on the high end. But those guys have been really good. He did good, how he did a good job finding Beckton and Bonn. I forgot about Beckton. Yeah, Beckton and Bonn there. But CJ Gardner Johnson.

And... CJ Gardner Johnson has been bad. Yeah, we're going to have Fran on tomorrow and Fran will go through the tape of what he sees. But when you talk about mistackles, some of it's coming from CJ. Now he's made some impactful plays. You think about the fourth down against the Falcons.

Yes. But for like the baseline responsibility of being a safety, which is being, which is like being the safety. Providing some safety. He has not done that well or not done that nearly well enough. The draft, I kind of look more long term, right? You can't evaluate that for another few years. No, but I think it is fair to say that the early returns on Quine Yon and that's the most important part. The Dotson trade is a major concern here because you traded a third round pick, right? Not what's like a, you traded a third round pick for a guy who's a starter for you. Third wide receiver, starter for you.

And also part of the rationale was if AJ or Devante go down, you have a starting level player. Well, AJ and Devante have gone down. There was a point in yesterday's game when John Ross had more targets on his first three plays of the game. This was in the fourth quarter. First three plays of the game, then John Dodson had it the whole game to that point. So that has been problematic. And Alamanezakias had more receiving yards and catches yesterday than John Dotson has all season long. Yeah. And he's playing a lot. It's no shortage of

opportunity. Exactly. And you can't tell me, like you, you can't just tell me that, well, they acquired him late. He didn't have to have a training camp. This is part of the calculus that you did that you use, number one. Right. And like he, the opportunity is there for him. You know, do you know the last Eagles player to score a touchdown in the first quarter of a game? I don't know. Jack Stoll? No. Come on. Oh, nice.

Julio Jones. I know you wish you could. I know you wish you could. Julio Jones. And I bring that up because, like, you can sign guys off the street and get, like, the production you're getting from, John Dotson right now. Well, I tweeted it last night. Yeah. Over the last decade.

Okay, the last 10 NFL seasons, there have been 679 wide receivers who have run at least 100 routes over the first four games of the season. In terms of yards per route run, Jehan Dodson is 678th of 679. That's the production they're getting. That's what they traded a third round pick for. Yeah. And again. Some of that, I do believe that some of that is on Jalen Hertz. And there is a thing about Jalen Hertz where he just does not like throwing to the guys who are not his top option.

I think some of it is on the coaches and absolutely some of it and probably most of it is on the front office for making this acquisition. You know what? And so when you look at the offseason as a whole, even though Sequin looks great and Sequin has been arguably

and probably the best player on the team, are they getting their money's worth from Sequin? Because he has been awesome, but they're not leaning into him on offense enough. and you talk about the opportunity cost, you know, if they had spent six million on a running back, would they have signed Grenard instead of Huff and, you know,

Noah Brown or whoever else, you know, and somebody else? And would that have been a better use of resources? Maybe. I mean, Sequin's moving the needle for me. So I, I. And also, but also to be fair, the Sequin, like, it works if he has two years like this.

True, that's true. Right. And, yeah, time. is an ally for everything here, and we will have a better idea on Dotson as time goes on. We'll have a better idea of Sequin as time goes on, but we can only operate with the information we have right now, and Dotson has been a major disappointment,

especially when you consider the price they pay. And by the way, I don't want to say I was sold a bill of goods because it is a legitimate thing, but I kept hearing on the record and behind the scenes how valuable that third round pick was. Next year's draft is going to be loaded, It's like two classes in one, right? And they're really going to hold that third round pick.

And you were right all along. You're like, they're going to use this third round pick to upgrade the roster and they did it before the season. That third round pick is a real valuable piece. And we'll see how Dotson materializes here. Yeah, I mean, right now, Johan Dotson wishes he could be Kwez Watkins. That's in terms of production. That's what the Eagles are getting. When you frame it that way.

Yeah, I mean, Kwez. And the Huff thing, I mean, it is a, it is borderline shocking because you actually look at Howard Roseman's track record, the one place where he has really consistently been better than the league has been big ticket free agency. Absolutely. Because usually the league does very poorly at that. And his track record there is outstanding. Yeah.

So to to completely whiff, which is what it looks like right now, what they've done on Bryce Huff, I mean, it's, it's debilitating for them. Yes. And it was, like, it was a day one target. It wasn't the type of thing. You know, Howie always says that a big part of free agency is, is like not just spending because you have the money, you know, like the DeMarco Murray thing happened because that that wasn't their day one plan.

It was, you know, this was when Howie wasn't in charge, but DeMarco was kind of lingering. They had money left over. And it's like, all right, let's, let's go here. Howie tries to make informed bets. And so the day one guys, that's, that's their plan. land going into it. That's what they spent a month and a half preparing, actually longer than that, typically preparing for that. And so for it to see it materialized way it has through four games, I think you hit it on the head. It's got to be vexing Howie in a considerable way.

All right. What's your last question? My last question for you, Bo, is, this is one that you would say is very typical of me. Okay. So maybe this is on brand. But is there any chance we're overreacting? And what I mean? is two and two, like I framed it before. That might be a decent outcome given the circumstances of the season that I landed from Tampa Rowey this morning and I looked up and the sky was still there, right? You love that.

I love that. And I saw the skyline. The sky from right over there. I saw the skyline and the buildings were not burning. Like the city was still upright. And you know what? When the Eagles get back from their by week, they will play a game against a Cleveland Brown's team

that might be in worse shape than the Eagles, right? They're one in three right now, and their quarterback is, we don't have enough time to go through all the issues their quarterback. The worst quarterback in the league. So my point is this, is that yesterday was bad. And I say all the time,

it's a week-to-week league, every week's a season. When I landed this time a week ago from New Orleans, it was, I was afraid I was going to run in the traffic on that parade going down Broad Street, right? So my point is, is there a chance we're overreacting right now? Well, of course there's a chance. That's also our job. Well, no, our job is to react, not overreact.

Yes, of course. At least we all view it a little differently. Yeah. I think the chance and the hope is that AJ, it's just AJ Brown. Like, yes. If you are really optimistic, you are just thinking we have a guy who is perhaps, perhaps the best wide receiver in football, and his power alone is going to drag this offense to top five levels.

And combined with Sequin Barclay, they could be super explosive. This is a team that is built around its stars, around its players, and so if they don't have those guys, they're not going to look very good. And if they get those guys back on offense, they can be great. But what I said before, I think is what I believe, is that I don't believe in the ceiling of this team to a significant level. I think they are a team right now that doesn't matter.

Okay. Oh, I disagree. But, and I think... So please watch all five shows every week. Yes. We're on... That doesn't matter. We're actually six shows.

Six shows a week. Six shows, including... And that doesn't include three on Sundays that we have. Pre-game, halftime, and post-game, right? there's a lot of season left so i'm going to say there's a lot of season left um i i i don't want to do the i've i've done this for 13 years card but there's there's there's you know week four of the 2012 season i think the eagles were three and one and they finished that year four and twelve and they fired and you read right um that's exciting i'm saying uh in 2017 uh they were they were

They were three and one, but they had just, yeah, actually, they had just gone to the chargers and, like, run the ball down the throat. That's the thing is that when I'm thinking about the Eagles teams that mattered, you saw it early. Yeah. Now, last year, they were four and no. Yeah, right? That's true. So, yeah, I just think, look, maybe I see it in the chat. Maybe you say it's these midnight green car glasses. No, I just think I try to be pragmatic.

And I try to say, I try to operate. Of course, of course, there is a path to them being relevant. Yes. I go into every, this is like outside of the show, like a football thing, life thing. I go into every situation saying, what if I'm wrong? Like, what do I need to learn? What am I wrong? Or I'm sorry, what if I'm wrong?

As opposed to I am right. And so it tends to be like, I don't want to overreact because I could be wrong. Okay, that's healthy. Yeah. So the two things always going on in your mind are what if I'm wrong, and I'm going to live longer than that guy? No, but, but, you know, look, look, when you're low to the ground, you'd all the rationalizations you can get.

And one of them is life of the expectancy, right? How was the weekend? How was the bachelor party weekend? Congratulations to Nick. Well, yeah. I mean, well, it was his wedding's in a month, Cincinnati weekend. I don't think that's what his fiance is calling it. I think she's calling it.

Not, yeah. Hong Kong and Cincinnati weekend. It was great. It was awesome spending time with Nick and my siblings and my cousins. I was thinking about this from your perspective. Yeah. I mean, I know that you don't like to be away from your family. Yeah.

But you do like, you like to be on the road. You like to be, I think you relish your your road trips, right? Yeah. The being the traveling beat reporter. Yeah. I think I imagine that must have been kind of a treat to share that with your brothers. I was getting crap from them like, you know, about being on all the time, right? like not like turning it off at all.

They're like, wait, so you're like, you're like this even when, even like a day before a game, right? I mean, you know, we had a, we had a dinner reservation on Saturday night and they were meeting for drinks before. And I was like, I'm going to be a few minutes late. I was taping a video for all p.gly.com. I was writing, excuse me, I was writing a story. Excuse me, like a quick thing on Lane being.

enacted or I'm sorry, Lane. No, no, that was AJ. AJ was declared out. Yeah. Last night, I met them for the, but I'm like, I got to go. I got to write. So they're like, this is, I mean, they know them like this. Yeah, how are they surprised by me?

It's not surprised. It's just giving me crap for it. But yeah, they, you know, they're like you. They make fun of my airplane. I taught, you know, the black hat. Oh, yeah, yeah. The generic Roblo outfit. Outfit, yeah.

But, but no, it was awesome spending time with them. And I'm pumped for my brother. And I frankly hope that, you know, they can come on more road trips because it was, yeah, they were good, they were a good company. But it made me, like, I always appreciate my job, right? Always, every day, every road trip. But I appreciate even more because, you know, like the, I mean, I, the, the scenes, like

the way they were describing it of like fans at raymond james stadium with that heat you know like um people are just people are like passing out basically you don't appreciate the job because you get to go watch games you're appreciated because you get to watch it from the cushy ivory tower of the press box i have it easy and like you know they're explaining to me you know the fans watching this right now will understand that like they're explaining me what was like getting an uber or lift after the like getting the ride share after the game when everyone's flooding out at the same time like i never i never have to deal with trash traffic in. I never have to deal with traffic out. I give, I have all the hydration I need during the game. I'm in air conditioning. I've working internet. I have a real good. What? Must be nice. Yeah, I agree. So that's why I have no empathy for reporters who complain. Like we, we, we have a pretty good at these games. Well, what if you're complaining about the Eagles moving their media schedule around? Well, I'm complaining more about like for the, for the,

sake of the show. Like, I can't. The hardest part of this job is I've taken it. The hardest part of this job is like is not being able to be two places at once, right? And so that that's been, we're on 13 months of this now. And something tells me if you were able to be in two places at once, you'd be worried that you couldn't be three places at once. Maybe so, but I want to do a really good show. I miss being in studio every day, right? But also I want to cover the team, the best, like the best in the market. And it's hard to do that if you're missing press conferences or locker rooms, but you can't be two places at once.

All right. Let's check out our super chats for this episode. Thanks to everybody who put in one of those from Brian Pumper. Good afternoon to everyone, but Nick Siriani, Vic Fangio and Jalen Hertz, the standard was not the standard and rents was overdue. And then he follows up with Feel Bad for Sequin. He left Danny Dimes for a team who employs the woke Danny Dimes. my God, this guy is hurting the team.

I don't even know who that is supposed to be. Is that supposed to be Jalen? Is she on the woke Danny Dimes? How woke is Jailen? And it's Danny Dimes? Yeah. Now, I do think we touched on it yesterday. There is sort of a funny irony in like the offensive cast that Sequin was around yesterday.

He left the Giants and all of a sudden he's, you know, he's with Paris Campbell and John Ross. Chris Kaufman Jr. The problem is the offense looks identical. to 2023 and I don't think that that is incorrect. I think I'm not seeing enough different offensive bones than I was expecting to. Yes. And then you say that this is that that last year was more on on Jalen than it was on the coaching staff, I would say. Or this is still Nick's offense.

I don't think it's that. I, that would surprise me. Knowing Jeffrey, that would surprise me. Well, yeah, but I, I mean, I think it's a. looks similar aside from the motion. Because, well, Jalen's touched the ball every play, right? And Jalen still has to make these decisions. And Jalens, yeah, it's still the, it's still the quarterback.

I'm not saying it's not the quarterback. I'm just saying like the, like the, and that's like the. And that's not going to Jalen. Just when Jalen's outstanding, like Jalen can, we've seen Jalen time and time again overcome coaching in the past as well. It works both ways. Okay. Chase Daniel Plainview.

Is Jailen turning the ball over because he wants Siri on? fired. If the head coach is someone Jalen likes, could we expect better ball security? That's an interesting, an interesting theory. I kind of like that thesis. He liked the O.C. last year, I think, but until the end, I don't know. Yeah. And what do you make? Yeah, Brian Johnson

and Cliff Kingsbury, who the Eagles did interview, all of a sudden, that offense looks pretty good. Yeah, Anthony Lynn on that coaching staff and Dan Quinn's doing a good job there. Anthony Lynn. You're not an Anthony Lynn guy? Well, I mean, I don't think it's one of the the headlines for why they're being successful right now.

No, but I was referring to that Washington coaching staff. Yeah, I understand what you're doing, but I'm trying to make this about the Eagles. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Like Cliff Kingsbury was a candidate there. There was a good story in the Washington Post, Sam Fortier, who, now Sam's a friend, but I guess, I don't know if it's 40 or 40A. I mean, how much of a friend could he be if you can if you don't know his last name? I mean, I know, I know how to spell it.

Yeah. But as I'm saying it, I don't know if it's, uh, if it's 40 or 40A. Hmm. Uh, but I think he's good enough. You could call him Sam 50er. In any event, uh, as Sam had a Kingsbury piece and Cliff said in that, it was a good story. And Cliff said that the, uh, that the bears and, and the Eagles were, uh, two teams.

He, he would have taken those jobs if he got offered them, right? Um, so I'm curious, going into the Washington week, I'm going to do a little more reporting on kind of what happened there. because I do know that the Eagles, when they were looking for offenses for Hertz, one of the things that they liked was that, you know, the Lincoln Riley offense that they had, you know, that Jaywin ran in. Now, by the way, you talk about that Lincoln Riley offense. The Eagles once tried to hire Graham Harrell.

I was actually going to bring that up. Yeah. He got fired by Purdue. Tough. Yeah. I don't know, tough coaching decision. Yeah. I mean, that's like, like, like sometimes, you know, you know, there are.

Look, there's an expression. Sometimes the best decisions are the ones you don't make. Sometimes you've got to understand that the jobs aren't always going to be there. You get offered in an NFL offensive coordinator job. Like, you know, take it because you don't know if that's going to be around that often. Yeah, that was tough. Tough come down for Graham Harold. God, I hope Graham's not watching this.

I mean, I hope he is. He's got time on his hands. All right. Anything else you want to talk about from the game? Well, no. How was your weekend? I didn't get a chance to see you. Weekend was good.

Did the show yesterday. What did I do on Saturday? And it's like the movie on the plane that I watched on the way back from Brazil. I don't remember. You watched Alabama? You talked about that on the... Oh, yeah, I did watch the end of that game. Yeah.

Ryan Williams, 17 years old. Did they mention that? Yeah, it was a hell of a play. Yeah, Devante likes Ryan Williams. I said, I asked Devante when after Ryan Williams his first game. I was like, what were you doing at 17? Devante answered the most literal way possible. Not playing college football.

Okay. I'm like, all right, Don't know. Okay. I think we just hung out in the city, yeah. When's your apple picking weekend? Oh, that's what we did. Oh, you did the apple picking? Yeah, that's what we did.

So you didn't hang out in the city. No, we went to, yeah, we went to. Princeton or Lin Villa? No, not Linvilla. Lynn Villa is way too crowded. I mean, even on September 29? Yeah, we went to Highland. September 28th?

Went to Highland? Highland Orchards, yeah. Is that up in? Good time. Westchester. Oh, Westchester. Okay. All right.

Yeah, Linville is like, it's like Disney World for it. It's convenient. It's the closest one. It's overrun. Apples are apples. I don't agree with that. Is it a bad batch there? I mean, I think I might be doing it.

It's so crowded. Yeah, I think I got Linville coming up. Sorry. I don't know. It's a bye weekend. Yeah, I think, I don't know. I can't use the college football excuse or anything like that. I did fly football on,

Friday night. I haven't seen Sloan play soccer yet. So this weekend, I'll finally see Sloan play soccer. I'm excited for that. How'd the football game go? Well, well, read,

ran for a touchdown and for a two-point conversion. Wow. How about that? Yeah, yeah. Was it the same, was it a two-point conversion on the touchdown?

Was it an octopus? Yeah, yeah. Is that why you get the eight? Is that why? Yeah. Yeah, but more importantly, he had fun. We had a conversation on the,

on the way. But he's got to work. So he, he's got to work on this. So he wears gloves, okay? But he doesn't like to throw with gloves. He's not Kenny Pickett. So he's giving it away. Wait.

So he ran. So they called a flea flicker. Okay. And he took off the glove. Right. Okay. Yeah. So he gave it away.

And then he put the glove into his, like into his pants. He tucked it into his pants. And then he ran for the touchdown. And the glove came out. And so I'm walking around the perimeter of the field looking for the glove and I couldn't find it. I don't know where this glove ended up. Oh, he lost the glove. He lost the glove, yeah.

To make him relapse? How do you make him make up for that? No, I said to him, I said, why did you take it off in the first place? And he said, because he doesn't like to throw with the glove on. And I was like, but then everyone knows you're throwing. You got either have the glove or not have the glove. Okay. But he had fun.

and I enjoyed the car ride with him. A lot of people in the chat standing for Soulberry, Soulsbury Orchards, never heard of it. In Bucks County. Someone said, what's the inevitable quote that I say? Is I say, it's more of an, I say what should happen eventually must happen immediately. Or what must happen eventually should happen immediately is the quote. And that's from Jeremy Foley. Well, it's actually I think from Henry Kissinger.

So do you think that Jeffrey Lurie should fire next Siriani then? I don't because I don't think that's like the of the thing that's going to happen. I don't think it's inevitable. Well, at some point he'll be fired, but I don't think this season, yeah. No, I mean, he might. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion right now. I kind of think it is. You know, there was a time when Charlie Manuel, it seemed like he was going to get fired.

And then may turn their season around. They turn, you never know what could happen. Maybe that's those midnight green glasses. I don't think that's what it is. I just think, as Lou Lamarroo said, when time is on your side, use it. And right now, time, let's see what happens with the time.

Okay. We'll be back tomorrow. 2 o'clock, Fran Duffy. Going to tell us what the film said and what the Eagles can do to fix this thing, get it right. They're two and two. They're getting AJ Brown back.

There's some hope, but it might also be some cope. And we also have. also have five shows during the week and three shows on Sundays. And so let's keep this thing interesting. All right. Let's get a little nudity. Never heard anybody.

That's actually not true. That's true. That's true and it's two, Ben. I see what you did there. That was one of the worst jokes I've ever made. All right. There's competition for that. Well, there's a lot of competition.

That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.E.E.O. Eagle's podcast. Thank you to Julia for making it happen. Make sure you like and subscribe on the video, all that good stuff. Tell your friends, we'll be back tomorrow at 2 o'clock for all of us here. We thank you for watching. And as always, we love you.