PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - It was all a (wet) dream: Jeffrey Lurie saves the Eagles’ butts with inspired Tush Push defense

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

Just when you thought we were done with Tush Push content, we got the behind-the-scenes story on Jeffrey Lurie’s impassioned plea for the NFL’s owners to stave off extinction for our beloved Eagles’ butts. The secret? A callback to the puberties of yore, much to the chagrin of the sanctimonious puppet Troy Vincent. Hooray for Jeffrey Lurie and sex positivity. Join Deniz Selman, Fran Duffy, Zach Berman and Bo Wulf, who have all experienced puberty themselves, for an important Eagles roundtable. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody. And welcome to the PHOY Eagles podcast presented by True Mark Financial. We've got a four-person roundtable coming your way the day after. The big push-push-push news. We've got Zach Berman, our Eagles insider. We've got the Professor. Dana is summoned, and we've got the All-City NFL draft expert. And much more than that, Fran Duffy, Fran, how are you?

Doing great. Watch some South Carolina film this morning. It's a crappy day outside, but it's pretty. could be better. What was your reaction to the news yesterday that the tush push is here to stay? Oh, my initial reaction was I can't wait until 2 o'clock to be able to listen to it to Bo and Zach break it all down. So that was my initial reaction. But no, I mean, a little surprise because it felt like a lot of the buzz leading in was that it was going to go the other way. But it's been fun to kind of take in all of the reporting since then on what led to that decision. Well, let's let's get to that. Zach, I want to ask you, because you,

We've done some reporting behind the scenes. You have more information for us than we had on yesterday's show. Before we get to you, though, Danis, as the true Eagles fan here, how much did you puff your chest out to the news that Jeffrey went to the mat and defended the touchpush for all of Philadelphia? That was a fun day for sure. I mean, more fun than you'd expect to have from May owners meetings following the news as a fan. I don't want to pat myself on the back too much, but I have been predicting that it would not be. band. Why is that?

Well, I mean, we talked about it on the show. It just seemed like from the way that it got a 1616 straw pole in March, the very, like, awkward process of rewording. I don't think you guys talked about this on the show, but when I was on last Friday, it's Albert, Albert, Breyer, Breyer had reported that it was not going to be rewarded. And then it got rewarded in a very clunky way. They completely scrapped the proposal from March. It would have been very difficult to litigate. Yeah.

But also the way they worded it was very clumsy. Like it looked like someone had like seven seconds to change the existing rule. And very quickly it was like, you know, there was a rule against interlocking interference, which is basically hugging your own teammate and carrying him. They got rid of that. They made that like not be a rule anymore. And then instead they said, you cannot aid. a teammate in any way

other than individually blocking for him which seems to take out double team blocks it seems to take out like any kind of deception like play action or anything obviously that was not the intention but it was worded in a very awkward way but just the whole process seemed very clumsy and I

just didn't see them convincing eight of the 16 teams to flip based on that and they all they came close they flipped six they flipped six of them and you guys talked about about who they were yesterday.

But yeah, it was, it was, okay, well, you used the phrase awkward rewording about the way that they did that. And I think that is a good connection for us to ask Zach about what you have learned about Jeffrey Lurie's speech, his impassioned plea to the owners and the other high-ranking league official, team officials.

Yes, this is my understanding from inside the building is that first off, the Eagles went into yesterday morning into the meeting, expecting, this to be overturned. This was not the result they expected when the day started. I imagine they listened to you, but they also like the report, you know, and I'm going to defend some of the national reporters. Like, I don't think there's any faulty reporting going into this. I think this was the sentiments going in that this was going to be overturned, similar to what Bow and I talked about. Also, in that these things don't typically go to vote unless you have the votes. And so I think

the Eagles expected, or they thought this would be. overturned, but they thought there was a fighting chance. They thought there was a chance to get in the room and make a pitch. And that's what Jeffrey Lorry was there for, right? Jeffrey Lurie wanted to defend, from my understanding, the play, the team, the franchise, right? He felt a little targeted, if you will. Sure, as he should. Yeah.

Yeah. So delivered an impassioned speech. My understanding is there was use of facts and data that there was. There were anecdotes. Wow. Antiquotes. Yes. And we've heard, I mean, at the owner's meetings, he was, he was, I thought articulate

and gave convincing arguments about the lack of injury rate and the, the, the, people I'm poking holes at the aesthetic argument. And then my understanding, and by the way, this was first reported by ESPN and the athletic, right? So what I got was more confirmation. but context too, that in the moment, off the cuff remark, he used an analogy to being, I guess this on Anthony's show. Are we allowed, am I allowed to quote it here?

A hundred percent. The quote, quote, like a wet dream for a teenage boy. And he was trying to make the case that like his, he used it. So the context with which he used it was this. Okay? This is so silly. He was trying to drive home the point that it's this dream scenario that you have a play that you develop, refine, coach, own, whatever verb you want to use here. And the play becomes so successful that the only way it could be stopped is by your opponents banning it.

all right and so that it was was portrayed to me that it was like a dream a dream so beautiful and fanciful that it brings you to climax a dream so that it was a dream scenario now the it was a colorful use of

of termina of but as as as you well know as as you well know both sometimes you need to be colorful to drive home a point right and really like for effect there I mean it's very funny but it's not that big of deal. I understand, but this is, I'm just, I'm, I know. Yeah, I'm conveying it. It's not you.

Oh, yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's that like they need to feel they need to defend it. And, and, and, in that, um, that, uh, he also wanted to make clear at the end of his speech, that no matter what the outcome is, if they walk out of there without, you know, with this being banned, that they're still winners because they want a Super Bowl with this play. Uh, and, and, and, and, and, and, and so that was, So that was like the, that was the big closing, the Aaron Sorkin closing line, if you will. And that they would be successful either way. But they felt it was important. And by they, Jeffrey Lorry, felt it was important to fight for the principle.

This was based on principles as much as anything else. That they feel as if they were targeted for their success, that this was happening to them. And that Jeffrey... A very reasonable position. that Jeffrey had to stand up for the play, for the team, for the franchise. And it was conveyed that if there's a player who has a strategic advantage, let's say Patrick Mahomes is really good to throwing sidearm passes, you wouldn't like ban the player from playing in the game.

Right. So why do you take a play that's successful and ban the play? and that the team felt it's easier to try to take a play out than a player out or a team out and so that was that was why Jeffrey was vociferous

in his defense and that they obviously brought in or Jason Kelsey came and was part of this as well but that it was portrayed to me that Jeffrey was passionate in his defense of this play we are going to get to the wet dream

of it all. But let's stay on Jeffrey for a second because I do think it is important a day later to think back on this. You know, what can an owner do? Right? An owner can do a lot. And a big part of the reason that the Eagles have been successful is because

Jeffrey is willing to pay for a lot of things. He's willing to, you know, take some, you know, take some short-term cash hit in order to benefit the salary cap. He most importantly cares about winning. And so like funds the things that matter to winning.

But those are behind the scenes things. Those are macro things. For Jeffrey, it must have felt so good because this was his game day. Yes. This was his chance to get on the field and help his football team.

And for him to know going in that he's probably a little bit against the odds, maybe it was 40-60 going into it in their minds, Turkey-wise. And for him to like deliver this speech wet dreams or not and come out on the other side, like he's got to be feeling really good. Like he,

this was his game. To me, that final line, that to me indicates that they thought they were on the losing side. Right. You wouldn't say that. You wouldn't say that if you thought, like to me,

it's almost like when you guys have done the role playing exercise and Z. When Zach, you have coming in a little too hard in your defense of Nick Siriani and you're like, Nick would never say that if he's out if he's pleading for his job. To me,

like he went so over to that. to me, like, said, like, yeah, I don't think Jeffrey thought that they were going to win this. It's almost perfect. It's almost perfect, right? Because it's like you're saying, if you think you're going to lose, that's a great line. It's like, we're champs anyway. Like, look at my ring, right? But also, it's a little bit of a, it's not like you're going to beat me with this. You know what I mean? Like,

it almost works also to dissuade it getting banned because you're like, it's not like you're going to have shown me. Like, you know, Ray Dendinger was on with John Clark last night, and I was listening to that, and he gave an interesting, interesting, um, historical. Is that upset you, Zach? You listened to that first, or did you also listen to that? I haven't listened to that yet.

Between the two of you, I mean, we've got everything covered. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, Ray obviously knows the history. Does you listen to Lou Nichols on Agent Dillon's podcast? What's that? I have not, I have not yet. No, no, I haven't listened to that yet. I have it on my schedule for tonight. I'm sorry to interrupt.

No, no, it's okay. Well, by the way, very exciting new episode of the exciting mics out with Sequin Barclay. We're going to play a couple fun clips from that later in the show. So the Diddy was talking about in the 70s. I don't think we wanted to call him the Diddy anymore. That's a good point. Yeah. Sorry.

I've been calling him that for so long. Yeah. Well. I think Vaughn Hebron called him that first. Hard to think of two more diametrically opposed people. Okay, yes. Ray Dittinger, Hall of Famer, was talking about the Steelers teams from the 1970s.

You would have to come up. you'd have to think a long time together with two more different people you're right. After they won four Super Bowls after the 1979 season is when they came up with illegal contact because their defenses were so good.

Illegal contact rule to ban bump and run coverage by defensive backs and it was the first time offensive linemen were allowed to extend their arms to pass block. And that was in part because they couldn't block the Steelers without being allowed to do that and so they changed those rules.

And how for those, Steelers teams, it was like, and Steelers fans at the time, it was a source of pride that like, you know, we won so many Super Bowls, we were so dominant that they had to change all of the rules and like how that combined with the West Coast offense coming in to the league a few years later, changed it into a more offensive league and how like the Steelers dominant defenses were basically stopped by the rules more than anything else. So this is silly because it's just one play. It's not like every play on defense like the Steelers was. But, um, That whole thing of like, you know, we were so good, so much bigger than you, so much stronger than you, so much better than you, that you had to ban our play, would have been something that they could walk away with for sure.

Yeah, I think Fran hit on the head too in terms of like that. My understanding, like it was specifically said to me, they didn't think this was going, they thought this was going to be banned. They thought they had like, they had to bring their A game, if you will. but this was just their shot to state their case but they expected this to be banned. So I think Bo hit it on the head. Like this is a chance for them to stick their chest out. Like they convinced, you know, there were,

I don't know who the swing voters were. Right. But they convinced those swing voters, right? There was, there was, and it was a miscalculation on the league's part or I don't want to absolve the Packers, but it's funny, you know, there's, in sports reporting, they say like when you cover a coach who gets fired, that's like the best time to cover

because everyone wants to kind of talk. And in politics, if you cover the losing election, like everyone wants to throw blame on like, and so I imagine in this situation, when there's, when your vote loses, everyone's trying to like,

and so PFT had this pro football talk, had this report today. The Packers were just doing the league's bidding and they actually don't care about the play at all. Right? And so, I, the league,

though I think thought they had the votes. I think that's why, as Bo said yesterday, like Roger, Roger is supposed to be Switzerland, and in his draft, in his press conference at the draft, or his, he was on the McAfee show maybe, he was talking about, like, why this play could be banned. And I think the fact that it went to vote shows that. And so, yeah, and then also regarding Jeffrey,

I think sometimes it's okay to seem like human and have a personality. Totally. So I'm going to defer to you for like where to go with this, but I think it's totally fine to be, you know, and I imagine fans find this endearing that he stood up for his team. He stood up for his fan base. He stood up for the play. And he won.

I will tell you after the break what it is that I, that I did truly find offensive about the reporting from yesterday's meeting. But before we get to that, I do want to say from the, like the Eagles didn't necessarily expect to win. They did at the very least, had the social media team prepped

in the possibility that they did win. Yeah. What do you think they would have done if they lost? I'm sure they had a plan either way. But yeah, it was, and for what I understand, that was a post that was created, like from the social team,

like had that ready. That was an internal idea. So, push on. That was outstanding. Oh, that was just for the moment, push on.

No, push on. That was, they had that prep. Because they had a 26 minute touch push video already. Look, in 2025,

it stands to reason that a lot of social promotion, a lot of stuff that comes from NFL teams, from big brands is like, you know, it's not necessarily the people like doing the creating that are coming up with a lot of these ideas. But yeah, that was from the Eagle social team. How about this real quick on the social?

There were 10 tweets or X's, whatever you want to tweets, tweets on. Exists. There are 10 tweets on the tush push. There was one tweet on your head coach getting a contract extension. Like that's the, it's just interesting

the way the organization wanted to celebrate one thing compared to the other thing. Yeah, that is interesting, considering some of the things that Anthony was hinting at the other morning. So we'll get to that later. First, a word from our sponsors and then we will continue talking about wet dreams.

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responsibly must be 21 or older all right Wet Dreamgate. I have seen some formerly well-regarded national media figures describe the Eagles this off-season as very clearly the horniest team in football, which I think is in the neighborhood of the truth,

but somehow a little bit too far away to call correct. In the neighborhood like 10 feet away? That's what I'm saying, yes. You're picking up what I'm putting down. Now, the horny may apply to Eli Ricks's reasons for visiting the White House, when I'm thinking about the celebration of butts that the tush push itself is,

or Howie Roseman's comparison of winning the Super Bowl to having sex, and Jeffrey Lurie's callback to his sticky teenage years, this is actually, this is not about horniness, this is about sex positivity and body positivity. And as nakedly from, fraudulent puritanism seems to be forcing its way upon this country

to a dystopian degree, the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles should be celebrated for embracing the things that make our heart race. What makes us human? Which brings me to Troy Vincent. He of the reported sentimonious foe outrage.

How dare Jeffrey Lurie makes such a crude remark to utter the phrase, wet dream in front of women. Oh! Spare me. Consider for a moment,

this performative umbrage was taken in the same room with people like Robert Kraft and Jerry Jones in the rooms where the likes of Daniel Snyder and Jerry Richardson once sat to pretend that adult women who have risen in the ranks of an old boys network like the NFL,

and are no doubt way more qualified than their male counterparts, should instead be considered little girls whose virgin ears you must protect lest you lose value to their dowry is magnitudes more offensive and anti-feminist than clumsily referencing wet dreams. I think Troy Vincent should be ashamed of himself.

Are you asking me the question? Yeah, my understanding is, and Seth Wickersham from ESPN did a great job reporting, or reporting this, that Troy Vincent chastised Jeffrey Lorry in front of the group for, yeah, for using that term around women. I, I, oh, there are women here. Yeah, like, I think when you frame it like that, that is, that's a little ridiculous, right? Like, it's like, oh, it's, you know, I wouldn't be offended by this if you didn't. Yeah, that's, I'm, I'm with you there.

But when we get back to the locker, all we're going to talk about is wet dreams. Exactly. Yeah, let's let the women leave. This is a thing. It's a physiological thing. Then we can make an off coverage. Yeah.

So if you want to say like that's, that's unprofessional for our owners meetings or something like that, we can have that debate. I think it's, I don't think it's like an offense. I mean, I don't know who's offended. It's not an offensive thing. Are teenage boys offended by this?

Like, I'm wondering, you know, if, yeah, it is off color, right? It is like, it's a colorful remark. I get that. And it's, it's not one I would use like in a persuasive argument. Yeah. But I also,

uh, yeah, I'm with Bo in terms of like, spare me. How dare you use this around female owners, right? Like I'm, I'm with you there. Especially for a league that,

I mean, how many players are on rosters right now that with domestic violence and sexual violence against women like, yeah, it's like the signal in the noise, right? It's like, let's, let's figure out what it's,

actually matters. Absolutely. Ridiculous. What do you make of of Troy Vincent being a former eagle? Troy Vincent. Is he totally dead to you? I mean, I feel like this is more like just, I'm not going to be able to come up with specific things, but I feel like every single time I've read something that Troy

Vincent has said or done, I've thought that he's just a complete loser, like, since he's been working for the league. Like, wasn't he like very anti-celebrations? Like, he wanted more taunting flags? He's like a big part of the like, you know, let's make sure no one shows their personality because otherwise like all our fans will be afraid of the players or whatever.

Like I feel like that's been one of the things that he's been behind. At least that's what I associate him with. And yeah, this is, I think you put it very well, his stance on this. John Runyon being the one that comes down on a unnecessary roughness penalty. It's also comical that way.

That has a little bit more of a like, you know, higher the hacker kind of vibe. Like that makes some sense to me. But the Troy Vincent thing, I mean, he's, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'll tell the audience, you know, Troy Vincent's very influential in the league for these types of manners,

for, you know, stuff with the competition committee, rules with the game, you know, he spoke, for instance, at, that's like what his job is, anything that's due with, like, on the field, player conduct. And he spoke at the league meetings to Professor Selman's point about celebrations that kids are watching and that they need the penalized celebrations that have...

Girls might be watching. Oh, I thought you were laughing at penal. Oh, no, no. Should I say penalize? He's going to chastise Zach after the show for saying penalize. Troy is going to burst through the door. We have women in the chat. Yeah, there are women in the chat.

I've enjoyed all my interactions with Troy Vincent, but look, anyone who follows Eagle's history knows that they're... there were some baggage at the way that ended. I don't know what the nature of the relationship is now. He works for the league, not for the team. But we all remember the exits of, I mean, at that time, it didn't seem any veteran exited in a harmonious way. Troy Vincent being one of them, right?

But I don't know if anything was intended toward the team. He has been honored by Jeffrey Lurie and the team since then, since his exit. But there is, of all things, the chastity, someone about, right? Like this, yeah, it's, it's,

let's, let's keep our eye on the ball here, if you will. He would, he had been in the building a handful of times. That was not a pun, okay?

He was in the building a handful of time, like over the years. So I think my guess is that things are relatively smooth there. I would say just going back to, honestly, like, Dana is his early point

about the language being clumsily, uh, how are you like redone? I think that speaks to the reporting, uh, that this was an NFL spurn thing. And not a, Green Bay Packers thing because it feels like the league was hoping the Packers were going to do

their homework and they just didn't. And then last minute was like, oh, we have to get this done. Like that's, to me, like, you know, for that point, kind of read to me. And maybe some hesitancy on the Packers part to continue to do their work after the initial straw poll looked like it might not pass, right? Because they don't want to be the team that tried to do this and failed. What do you really think is behind the league's distaste for this play? Or do you think that their umbrages was at the behest of some other team or some other owner? Or is it four-dimensional chess to stay in the new cycle?

Right. Yeah. Yeah, so I've disagreed with Bo on this that it's specifically about the Eagles. And I've, I know. But of course it's about the Eagles. They're the only ones who do it. No, but my point is, if the Titans were, if a different team at this play. And we're Super Bowl champions, though.

And we're on TV all the time. Yeah. If I'm giving the league the benefit of the doubt and I don't know if they deserve the benefit of the doubt, but if I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, I would frame it in the spirit of the shift rule in baseball. That they are afraid of the slippery slope of it becoming a play that is used so frequently that it hinders your experience watching the game. The same way baseball saw when every team started to do the shift

and it affected the quality of viewing in the game, right? And it seemed like it wasn't quite baseball at that point. the health and safety thing doesn't add up. Now you can, I know that there are people, and there are people I respect who I've spoken to about this who say what happens when a quarterback gets injured on this play, the Eagles are going to look foolish. To me, that's like saying if Sequan Barkley gets injured

on an inside zone next year, well, the Eagles stop running inside zone, right? Like, it's a football, you know, if it's a football play, you can get injured on it. That's the reality of it. Now, if teams start doing things, in such a, as like a response to this. Like Frankie Louvre.

The Frankie Louvo thing. Yeah, but that has more to do with sour grapes than it would do with the play itself. My guess is it has to do with the aesthetics of the play and the shift rule would be the comparison I would give. It's interesting because the entertainment value thing doesn't really pass mustard to me either because they have this thing, this lightning rod thing. Yeah. They're looking this gift horse in the mouth. It is something that people are talking. about and when the Eagles line up for the tush push, everybody is all of a sudden a little bit more interested than I think they would be on a regular quarterback sneak on third and one. Absolutely. I mean in the stadium, the crowd just like gets so excited every time I'm about to run it. I mean, like that never happened on normal Cubey sneaks before. You know what I mean? It's like the team has to tell the crowd to be quiet so that they can they can get the play off like without a false start because they're so loud. I think it could be that there's just some high ranking TV executive who just has told Roger he doesn't like to play.

It could be that. But I think, so take the Niners, Eagles, NFC championship game when Josh Johnson gets hurt, that game was still relatively close, right? And what if the 49ers just said, all right, we're just going to put in, you know, a kiddle or use check? And we're just going to do three yards at a time, three yards at a time. That would have been fascinating. You know, try to matriculate downfield, take off 15 minutes on the clock and make, and keep this a one-score game. I think aesthetically that won't be, you know, that would be an undesirable way of watching football, right?

It's like Virginia defense when Tony Bennett was there. So that's the only plausible explanation I can think of. There's nothing else that adds up otherwise. But that would be more like the 70s Steelers thing where it's like they, the league didn't think that football was entertaining enough because those Steelers defenses were so good that there just weren't enough points scored. And so they had to change the rules, kind of like the way they had to do in the end. NBA in the 90s. Yeah. Because the game was getting less entertaining, they had to change the rules.

If the Eagles could get three yards on this play, 90% of the time, instead of one yard, and they actually kept doing that, and that's the way they drove down the field, then I would be all for a change because it would be like, okay, this has gotten ridiculous. Like, like, they're not even throwing the ball at all anymore. It's actually not entertaining. Change the rule so that you can't do that. But that's not what it is. It only gets you one yard.

Yeah, but they're focused on. It doesn't come up often enough to matter. It could be a slippery slope, though. is that if you say this is a football play, all right, you rep this enough that you can start getting two, three yards on this type of play, then what happens? Now, I think that's a dramatic stretch

that that would occur, but the... It's also not the argument they're making. Right. No, yeah. Yeah, they're not saying it's going to go in that direction. They're saying someone's going to get hurt, you know. Yeah, which is, it's football. I mean, I hate to tell you, like,

someone's going to get hurt playing football. Well, to talk about how, you know, sincere these arguments are, I think it's worth doing a quick breakdown of who voted for and against this. I know you guys did this to some degree yesterday. I posted yesterday on social media that of the 14 teams that the Eagles play next season, only the Lions voted to keep the play. The other 13 voted to ban. I think it's worth looking at the other 17 teams. The other 17 teams are evenly split, 9 to 8. 9 to 9 if you include the Eagles.

So that, to me, it's not a coincidence, right? Either the Eagles are just very bizarrely only playing the teams concerned with safety and pace of play next year. Or these are teams that are directly worried about getting hurt by the Eagles, and you can take it one step further. You know what it reminds me of? Oh, the COVID? Yeah, yes, yes, yes.

All the players who were starters got COVID? Yeah, that was just a statistical miracle. Yeah, yeah, it was unbelievable. It is very similar to that And you could even take it further If you look at it by NFC and AFC The non-opponent NFC teams Were still overwhelmingly voted to ban

The Saints were the only NFC team Of the sixth the Eagles don't play To ban it Atlanta, Carolina, Carolina, Seattle, Arizona, San Francisco None of them play the Eagles next year But they're all in the NFC Yeah So if you take all NFC teams

Plus the five AFC teams The Eagles play next year That's 20 teams 18 of them voted to ban 90%. Take the other 11 teams, only four of them voted to ban, 36%.

So, I mean, 90% of the teams that are directly interacting with the Eagles next year, what are you doing, Zach? Sorry, I was putting the overshirt. I didn't like the way. The undershirt look sloppy on the screen. I thought you looked good.

I was trying to do it in a subtle way. Thought these numbers were just getting you really excited. I agree with you. I made that point on a hit on the show today. Keep going there. Wet Dreams is in the icon of the show. I think undo one more button. No, I mean, that's all you need to know

is like 18 of 20 teams that are either competing with the Eagles in the standings or on the field next year voted to ban, and only four of the other 11 voted to ban. Like all the entire AFC East voted to ban it except the Bills. And the bills actually run the play.

And the one thing the Bills have in common with those other teams we talked about is the Bills play the Eagles next year. None of the other AFCs teams do. Now, to be fair to the Bills is they were outspoken about this. this like from the job yeah from the jump but yeah you are absolutely correct it's a statistical anomaly that every team except the lions um would be against this and by the way and we said this

yesterday like you have to come away from this respecting the lions yeah the lions are like we might be going a little overboard of like the man the lions deserve a lot of credit but i i think they kind of do yeah it's it's like they're the only grownups in the room yes yes yeah no i i agree they deserve some credit but i mean they would have looked ridiculous if they had voted it against it. Like, like, just given... Yeah, but they would have been... Like everybody else. That's ridiculous as, you know, Gannon and Stuyken.

I mean... Yeah, I mean, I am excited to ask Nick about this. Yes. The next time we have to talk to him. Right. But do you think that it was as simple as, like, this is the reason they wanted to get it away from the coaches and have just the owners in the room?

Yeah. It's got to be, right? Yeah. Think Colts and Arizona are... That's... Yeah. That's, you know, that's Gannon's... Nick, you know, I'm on your side,

but Mr. Bidwell, He's going to do whatever Roger says. Yeah, Mr. Bidwell, this was his, this was his thing. And, you know, I made my case for you, Nick, right? And I am, by the way, to the audience, like, my thoughts are with Erse's family and, you know, Jim Eursa's family. Of course. Sorry about that timing there. That was tough yesterday.

No regrets. Yeah. But similarly, Shane Steichen will probably say, like, Nick, like, I know I'm a beneficiary of this play, but this was out of my hands, right? This was the owner's call. When you look at the teams that flipped from what they had said outgoing over the course of the spring and then who went the other way yesterday,

to me, I looked at the through line as a lot of those owners were ones that I think are more falling in line with Roger Dandel. Yes, exactly. So that is why I stand by. The reason that the Patriots voted against it is just craft hates Goodell. Yep.

Yeah. Exactly. That was that. No question. Yeah. Okay. All right. Any other any other push-push thoughts? I was thinking about this as I was watching the show yesterday. Because the news came out about hard knocks.

And to me, this is, it's very similar to like, oh, the coach and GM salaries aren't public information. So they would never, they would never do this. The league, absolutely, because they're looking for different spins on hard knocks, they should do a hard knocks on these votes for the owner's meetings. I would watch, I would have watched an episode where, like, the opening, like the cold open, they fade from black and it's like part of Jeffrey's speech and it's like, dun, da, da, nah, like coming out of it. Like, yeah, I absolutely would watch that.

And he gives the line. They would, I mean, the owners would never agree to it for obvious reasons. But yeah, like that would be, I would absolutely watch the hell out of that hard docs episode. Now, Professor, we have talked about from a football standpoint that sometimes maybe it feels like they lean a little bit too much on the tush push. Yeah. But this season, do you, like, is there a pettiness in you that wants to see them run it even more? A little, I mean, at Lamb, at Lambo especially, yeah.

Just start the game with one, maybe. Just as a, or at least, at least line up like you're going to do it and then just run it on the play. And then just motion out. Yeah, motion out. They should do it. They should do that. They should do that. Just as a little FU.

Little message. Not actually do it, but line up for it and then motion out. And then just run a normal play. Yeah, totally. I think that'd be cool. I think that'd be cool. Maybe do it like, yeah, a few plays. Yeah.

I was thinking at the end of the game, instead of taking a new. just like do three of those, just bowl them over, you know. But I think that you're right, and we've talked about this so much, that the fact that they know they have that in their back pocket. Especially in the red zone. Yes, especially in like the high red zone. Yeah. Like they seem to run it a little, I mean, not to stay too on brand here, but just running it. Yeah, just running it too much on like second and long especially with the thought that, hey, maybe we can get close enough that we.

we can just sneak it and won't really have to convert a real third down, right? So that's part of the problem. But on the flip side of that, Siriani, who is not necessarily always as aggressive as I want him to be on fourth down decisions, ends up going for it on fourth down so much more than he would because of this play, that I think that that probably matters more than the being a little too conservative on second down. You know, like, it's like you have to take both things there.

And the fact that as a fan, I pretty much know, he's going to go forward on fourth and one, including from his own 29, like, including from his own like 39 yard line, right? Like he's done that, like the start drives. That's not something. Like, he would never do that if he didn't have this play. I think that's probably.

And so I think it's, and that's one of the things I was going to, like, worry about going into next year if they had banned it. As much as everyone says, well, they'll be good with the normal sneaks too. Good enough that Siriani's going to go forward on fourth and one from his own 39? Maybe not, right?

And so like then, then you're just punting it a little bit more. So I like that it's, stayed for that reason. Oh, branching off that bit. I have one take that I was workshopping in the car. Was I to hear this? I think Janwin probably wanted a band.

First off. I think I like this take. Gianlan really dislikes the line of questioning about the Tush Push. Like, when he was on The Tonight Show and like Jimmy Kim or I'm sorry, Jimmy Fallon brought it up, like, it got him so pissed off. He was like, that's not even what we call it, you know. And he, the question. bug him about it.

Yeah. But more than that, and Paul and I have talked about this. I think J-Wen wants a little more credit for his role in this. Like, he's the one carrying the ball. He's the one scoring it. I think even the Tush aspect of it.

Exactly. Like it infantilizes him. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. He, 100%. I don't think he,

you know, he always tells him like, don't call it that, you know, but because like... Do any of the take... I mean, Jordan Milata talked about how he didn't like it called that either.

Do any of them like that name? It doesn't matter. Yeah, but like it's always framed like Jalen's getting his tush pushed. And I think Jalen likes that, number one. But also, I think Jalen wants a little myth-making, a little credit here. And the other quarterbacks aren't, you know, I think it's... Now the flip side is he would not have as many touchdowns without it. But no, I think he feels...

He feels like he would. He feels like he will. He feels like he and the offensive line are the keys here. I know, but I do think that with Seekwon, like, If they get down to the one on first down, they're not going right to the quarterback sneak. Yeah, they're doing it on first down, exactly. But he's going to end up shattering the record for quarterback rushing touchdowns,

like in NFL history because of the supply. But I think that's a good take. But Frank, like, correct me if I'm wrong, he was outstanding on these short yardage runs in college. He is, he is stronger than most quarterbacks. He squads 600 pounds. I don't know if you've heard that. All the more pushing for the pushing. The strategy is there.

So I think, I think J-Wen wants a little more. credit and because it's portrayed here like the play and not the player and I think Janeline thinks the player has a lot more to do with it. I've gotten into bits because I did speak to someone who this was a year and a half ago who said who who knows Jalen really well and says to me you know the key to that play is Jallon right and it's like someone who's like gives who's like gives Jallon side of the story on things and so I think that there's, you know, the key to that play is Jallon, right? And it's like, I think Jaylen knows that the narrative has been the play, the play, the play. It is actually, and you know what?

It is actually, it's more of a Nick thing. Yeah, it's a good point too. The touch pushes a little bit more of a Nick thing. Yes, it's a good point too. What we're going to say? Well, about the name, the team could easily have, I know they tried to adopt the brotherly shove. They're super secretive about what they really call it, even though we all know they call it, the Snoopy. You could argue the Snoopy's not, Snoopy's not like.

Well, first of all, it's not like trademarkable or anything because it already is trademarked by someone else. Can you like, like, why don't they try to make, like they could make that more public. Maybe they don't like that name. No, I think it's because... It can't really be because they don't want the other team to know what it's called.

Like if we all know what it's called and we're talking about it, all the players have talked about it on their podcasts. The other teams know what it's called. Also, when you line up for it, it's very obvious what they're doing. Yeah, but they have variations often. Because honestly, when you were talking about trademark,

all I could think of was we talked about the Eagle social media post yesterday as soon as the announcement happened and then hours later to have the fanatics t-shirt with the push on did you see that? Yeah I wonder as soon as I saw that I said Bo is going to throw up in his mouth when I sees this post. Yeah. No, I think though, Professor Selman, they don't want the name they use on the field out there for when. Because if you don't use that terminology, then teams might think there's a variation that you have to it. And I also don't think that teams are listening to Darius Lay's podcast like that, you know. Oh, I think once the name is out there, I think it's like NBA players where they all know. Makes them aware of it.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. We've got to take a quick break on the other side. We're going to hear a little bit from the Sequin appearance on the exciting Mike's podcast to give you a little taste of that. Danes wants to talk about the way that the Eagles have turned over the roster on defense. and any more tush-push-push wet dreams that you guys have. Empire Today!

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Tyler, do we have that clip to play? Fantastic. Let's hear it. I firmly believe when you look at our team that we had last year, and I know we're not looking too far into the past, but our team last year, I think we're a top five team of all time. And I tell my boys this all the time. Like, we started off two and two.

And we lost to Washington. Jalen got hurt that game. Yeah. But if you really look at the season outside of the first four games, like, it was belt-to-ass. It was dominant. And, like, from the how we were, how dominant you guys were on defense

and how dominantly were on offense and special team like people people don't realize how great of a team that actually was we were working together yeah like it's it's cool and it's crazy to see the turnaround like after you know those first four weeks because I don't think

like a lot of us didn't even play in the preseason so I think you guys got like one drive yeah you didn't he didn't play well no so those first four games are kind of you know everybody just we're getting used to everybody together obviously you have training camp

but like it's kind of different and it's just in game like how your coach really is like how's he calling the game like getting used to that and kind of getting used to the guys you play with but yeah after I mean after the bye week I like we just all bought in I think we all just bought in and like

you hear like the outside noise and expectation like we didn't care how it looked the only thing we cared about was winning football games and when you have the talent and the skill that we have in our team mixed with the coaches, we all play together like how we played. Like, teams really stood no chance.

Right. And then you've seen that in the playoffs and you've seen that in the Super Bowl. Like, I mean, the score finished, what, was 40 to 20 something. But in reality, it was, it wasn't even really a game. Top five team of all time, that's, that's big. I really think when we look back on it, 10 to 15 years and we're all old and we're reflecting on our glory days, you know. 10 and 15 years? Hopefully next year, the year we're in right now.

but the year that we had last year, people don't give us enough credit. I'd probably have to agree on that. Do you have, do you know who else would be in that conversation? I mean, you got the Ravens, 2000 Ravens. You got the dolphins when they went undefeated. Would you put the Chiefs teams that went back to back? No, or no.

Maybe. You got to put one of the Patriots in there. Yeah. You got to put, if you're going to do it, you got to put one of the Chiefs. And then where it would be like, I think patron the chiefs, we could switch. And you got the Bears.

The Bears had a year when they went 15 and 1. So those three teams for sure. And then won the Chiefs within their dynasty and one of the Patriots within their dynasty in the year that we had, it's interchangeable, in my opinion. So five or six. I'll say that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Got you out through a little history lesson. Yeah, yeah. Got to know the game. I didn't know about those teams. To be honest. Stay back, then it.

Stay back. Don't fight them. No, no, it must have been hard for you to watch. I wanted to back them up. No, no, no, I'm all about that. I talked about this right after the Super Bowl, and I actually wanted to revisit this because at the time, we were distracted by so many things.

Of the last 25 Super Bowl champions, this is the true media era, which is why I can't go before 2000. I thought that's a true media. The Eagles' Super Bowl championship team had the best combined EPA per drive, offense and defensive side of the ball, combined. Whether you exclude garbage time or not, either way.

They were the best. Ranking or just total. Best out of those 25. Total EPA per drive, like offense plus defense. If you look at the 798 teams in the true media era, this is since 2000,

those 25 seasons, the Eagles were the fifth best by EPA per drive of all the teams. The 2007 Patriots were first. Yeah. They lost the Super Bowl. Bowl. The 2005 Colts were second. They lost in the divisional round. The 2001 Rams were third. They lost the Super Bowl. And the 2019, I know Sequin mentioned the 2000 Ravens, who were not very good

by that measure, but the 2019 Ravens who lost in the divisional round were fourth. So the Eagles were the fifth best team out of 798. This is regular season and playoffs combined. In the true media era. In the true media era. And the only one of those to win the Super Bowl. So, A lot of arguments could be made. I know Jeffrey Lurie also talked about, like, was this the best team of all time? A lot of arguments could be made that it was the best modern Super Bowl champion.

I don't think it's far off. Yeah. No, I agree. Team of your dreams. I know that's right. Do you guys want to hear the other part of the Sequin interview that I think is funny? Well, not funny, but, well, no, this is funny.

The other one wasn't funny. And there's plenty to watch with this episode. I hope you all enjoy it and check it out. but this is probably my favorite part and we go to Australia next year that's like that's that's over there you flat earthy

that's over there we had some good conversations in the training room this morning about some conspiracies what's one of the wildest thing that you just said back but you've seen like a round globe

but you've also seen like a like a flat like laid out yeah because I mean why would you draw a circle yeah but like You can't put everything on it. But the way they would draw the map, like, it would be like, you know, our continents. And then, like, there's a, we were talking about this earlier.

There's like a wall of like, I think it's like the Antarctic, it's like an ice wall. And then they believe like there's more consonants outside. Bro, that's crazy. So like if you like think about it, like, if you like think about it. Like, if you ever seen King Kong and Versa Godzilla? Yeah. So like you go like in the inner. Oh, like the inner.

Yeah. I sound like in the inner. Yeah. You go like in the inner crust, like the inner crust or whatever. And there's like a whole other outside. So like if you go to like some of these walls. So you've seen a wall before? I never seen a wall before.

Would you think, bro? What? How would I get? That's what I'm saying. I'm trying to. I'm just talking about like, you know, we all have those nights. You can't sleep and you're on TikTok or IG Rails and you go do a. Somebody starts talking about it.

Yeah. And then like you can't like they don't allow you to go so far. How do you know that? Just because I saw it on the real. Like I can't be like you know my source is TikTok like that's not like a good source You just said it might be decent source like like that's why I saw it on and it's just like I don't know what trips me out there is NASA originally started in the water yeah I saw that's crazy so what did they so they're doing they're they do more they have done more space exploration than they had underwater so NASA originally what's under there did they really started like to explore the depth of the ocean

in which we only know like what's the number they say it's a small percentage that's why i don't mess with the ocean i don't miss ocean like even if i say we're going on vacation and like you know everyone jumps off the yacht and i'm in and out that moment i'm scared now you get you get out away from shore i don't i haven't ever been on a yacht so you know have more experience i do you never been on a boat you're a football champion you know after this you know our oTAs go take yourself on the weekend take your lady out there and go jump off a boat. You go jump off a boat.

Hold her hand, jump off a boat, and get the hell right off. I mean, I can't swim, actually. I can swim. Everyone thinks they know how to swim until you in the ocean. Well, until you tread. It's just adrenaline. Yeah, that's OD. And then somebody's your leg, and you're like, oh, shit.

Like, you're bugged out. Yeah, I'm trekked. Hey, I'm telling you, I get that feeling when I'm, like, five feet, like, offshore. Another thing is my last thing. Like, well, we got nine planets, right? But, like, there's another planet. It's called, like, Planet Nibru. Ain't that a moon?

No, bro. It's like a planet that only rotates in our solar system at a certain time every so many thousand years. And then like there's like a thing like people like they think like the Anuaki's on there and like it's, I don't know, bro. Like what? It's crazy. Like Star Wars people? Oh. And they were here and they like help people.

They're going to think of crazy. It's like Marvel? No, not like Marvel. Like Thanos? They like kind of created the human race. No way. Yeah. There is a planet that comes in every so often.

not Pluto is it. Nah, Pluto's a night planet, gang. No, it's not. Yes, it is.

It's a night planet. But it used to be not like the yeah. It's a planet. No, when we were kids, it was,

it was. Then we were high school it wasn't, and now it is again. I thought it was just like a star. I thought they were saying it was like just a star. Then it was.

But now it's a planet. It's a cold. It's considered a planet now. Pluto's not the cold one. Pluto is the farthest away. But it's not the cold. Which one is it? What's the one that's cold?

Pluto Let's name Let's name them Mercury Go ahead You know You know You go to

Earth Earth is three Earth is three Three Mercury That's close to the sun Mercury Mercury

No it's four Earth Mercury Venus Mars Earth Oh we look like We look like dumb

football players right now Mercury Mercury Venus Venus What was a song It wasn't like a song

Mercury Venus Earth Mars Oh I don't know, bro. We can make it. Jupiter.

No. I'm not talking about it. Like we made down a lot. Like Jupiter. Pluto. It's okay. Venus. Mercury.

Earth. Mars. Saturn. Saturn. Yeah. Uranus. That's. How old is.

How old are you? Uranus is a cold one. Pluto is not the cold one. Pluto's like dark. The farthest away. Pluto's the farthest away from the sun. I don't think. So Pluto's not a planet.

Hey, man. I don't make the rules. I don't know why I'm fighting you. I don't make the rules. Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus. That's seven. You gotta grow up, bro. You got to grow up.

Neptune! How did they, do they not teach kids anymore? My very educated mother just served us nine pizzas? Did you guys, did you guys learn there? We will get to that in just a minute. in overtime. Nice. Very good one.

All right, go ahead. That's all. I mean, I know Pluto's not one of them anymore, so it doesn't have the pizzas anymore. I mean, I don't want to give away privileged information, but there was an outstanding producer in the room who brought up that device you brought up after the fact they tell them. So, yeah.

There's a song that was on a, like, was on like a classroom playlist. that we've listened to in the car, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and it goes on a science song. It's a good banger. I want to tell the audience, by the way, like, that shot right over there. And in our studios, it's awesome to have the exciting mics as part of the PHLY network here as a partner. But they answered, if you watch the show, they answered a question that, Professor someone wasn't here, but that Fran and Bo and I

discussed, which was what happens in the Met Gala. Here's your teaser. And you can find out, Sequan told you exactly what happens in the Met Gala. So make sure... And how does it involve those gods who created the human race? Not related? Not the Met Gala.

Also, I might need to reconsider my vacation plans for the summer now that I know Pluto's not cold. I learned from Seekwon. No, he said it's not a planet. But he says it's not cold. He says it's not cold. Yeah, yeah. That's okay.

It's not what he's paid for. But look, the cool thing about that show is when they're around just talking. And that's what the locker room's like right there. I've heard debates similar to that in the locker room. Lockroom talk, if you will. It's very true. Yes. Lockroom talk.

It's a good point. Yeah, I look forward to the Wet Dreams episode. Also, Fran, Sequin is really like, you know, high threshold for, for a leg. It's like an overtime I can lean back. Yeah, I think so. That's the... Just setting a high bar for the...

For the... For the legs? Yeah, yeah, exactly. You're gonna have to... Yeah, I mean, he did... It felt like a shot across your bow. To come and do it in your place? Yeah, I mean, you know, the fact that

it's like 50 degrees in Philly today, I would decide to go pants. Maybe we'll get back to shorts next week. Okay. Get back to show on some more scan. Zach, what's your favorite wet dream memory? Um... Nah, don't.

I don't have one to share. Okay. Yeah. But you do have one that comes to mind. I will. I don't know. What about you? You know, I got to be honest.

I don't think I ever had a wet dream. No. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry. Raise your hand if you had a wet dream. By the way, if I answered the question that way, you'd be like, no way.

That's not true. Yeah. No, I wouldn't. Yes. Yes, you know, because that's my lived experience. Okay. I don't know. Grant?

Nothing. It is, professor. Emily reminded me before I came here that I work at an institution with Title IX rules. Yeah. And to not discuss this topic. I, like, I, I need, I'm trying to stay employed for as, as long and as well as I can. So I'm avoiding this, this topic here. I didn't even know if I could say it on air.

I'm not going to answer that question. It's, this I find, not you, but. Again, the idea that like the phrase, Wet Dream is a taboo part of the vocabulary is insane to me. It's a thing. It's physiologically. Purportedly.

Yeah, for three people upset. Maybe that's for all of us. CDP with the Super Chat says, should Siriani be worried that Jeffrey's behavior yesterday will result in reps being more strict on the Eagles, especially on tush push plays? I think there is definitely a chance that they over a fish, over, but it feels like they were already doing that.

I know, but I could see them turning that knob a little bit more. Yeah. What more is there left to do? The lining up off sides. The lining up off sides, the movement of the ball, the, yeah, I think all the formation stuff. Absolutely. It's just like the defense is offside. Yeah.

Almost every time. And the Eagles are not actually. doing anything illegal. And so it would be so, I don't know, transparent if they did it. But I guess, do you think, what happened? Do you guys remember when Sean Payton complained about the past interference and they got it passed so that it would be reviewable? But then they never reversed even obvious ones.

What was that about? Like, I'm wondering if it's going to be something like that, where someone was upset about it getting reversed and they like told the officials to basically never reverse it so they could get rid of it. one year later, are you thinking something like that will happen, where they try to make it such a, I don't know, unwatchable thing because of all the flags

that they then will have more leverage to ban it next year? Is that the idea? Potentially, I guess. I mean, I do think it's going to be called in an extraordinarily strict way. It's funny that... Only against the offense, though, you're saying. Yes, yeah. I mean, because the defense, like, they're all upside.

They're all in the neutral zone. But the NBA always gets accused of like, oh, the fixes in, conspiracy theories, when you can literally go onto their website and watch the lottery being drawn, right? But the NFL, something that, you know, they can call something like this in a way that compels teams not to not even bother with it or something like that. And it wouldn't be portrayed that way, interestingly enough. another super chat we have from our good friend Mikey Fazed says after that clip I'm a little closer to Danes's view of Sequin I've never seen him more satisfied than he is right now

getting the last laugh that's the most satisfied you've been in the true media era I thought Seqran was awesome on this show we have the sources and temperature chart great job Tyler appreciate that So it is in fact cold. But it's not a planet. Yes. I thought Sequin was awesome on it. Yeah.

Yeah, I appreciate him coming and he was such a good sport about everything that day. Yeah, he was also very good at like, I mean, you know, Reed and and Hooper are new at this. Yeah. Thank Juan's a seasoned veteran of being on camera. He was doing a good job of sort of bringing them along a little bit. It was good. Yeah. Very comfortable in front of the camera.

He wants to be Michael Strayhan, and I think that that's a, that's a, that's a, like a reasonable thing that he could accomplish. And also, like, um, you're trying to, you're trying to pick apart what that means. I was, I was waiting for the real sentiment behind that. Right, yeah.

No, I mean, he's, he's, he's well on his way to that kind of media career. That's what I'm saying. You sound like, you sound like Jaylon. Jalen.

They look like they really enjoyed it. Yeah. And, and he was also very normal too, which in the sense, like I've, I've been around like down the roster players

who have this handler and that handler and say con it's just she's just riding the elevator yeah absolutely it was cool we appreciate it

all right so Zach where are we in the Eagles calendar now that we heard from we heard from some guys on Tuesday Nick got his extension what's still to come next week OTAs they're on grass

next week so they're on the field they're not getting tested there's no test They're on the field next week. So they've been in the off-season program. So they've been going through workouts, but not like an actual practice.

We'll see an actual practice like situation next week. Looking forward to that. They're on the field Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday next week. We'll be there. The media will be there one of those days. Most likely Wednesday. My guess is Wednesday. they typically don't like to have us there the first day.

And then Friday, they like to kind of rush out, you know, have their weekend so they don't want to stick around and talk to us after the practice on Friday. So deductive reasoning would suggest Wednesday would be the day that we get to watch and talk to them. And eager to see who's out there, who's not out there. Eager to see Keele Ringo. There's a lot of, I'm looking forward to watching. Younger than Kinyon. Quignant, yep. From your standpoint, friend,

what do you evaluate during OTAs? What do you care about? You like to see the new... This is too much football for overtime. You like to see what the new skill guys look like. You know, outside of that? Is everybody... Is the operation going, Chris?

You know, it's a new offense, quote-unquote. You know, how did the guys look running it? But, yeah, not too much. Yeah, I always think of it. We've said this many times, but it's less about who looks good and more like who doesn't. Yeah. With skill guys.

Right. Right. Like if you're a guy whose game is built on speed and in this setting. Lorenzo Booker. You don't look dangerous. Right. Yep. That's kind of an issue.

Yeah. I agree. Yeah. As an example, last year, it was clear to us. Isaiah Rogers can play. Right. That was one of our takeaways right away. And you saw that.

I mean, so yeah, you're not seeing much from O-line D-line this time. a year, but skill guys, quarterbacks. We'll see the way the ball comes out. Kyle McCourt's hand. Looking forward to that. Was the Nyas Smith an example? I was just going to say, last year's record receivers. Like, how do they look this week? Frankly, like, Anias Smith is one of the players

I'm most interested to see this week. Because he had a bit of an injury. Right. So, like, if he doesn't look dynamic on the field, that will be a red flag. And my hope is that either this upcoming week or the week after, but hope

with this upcoming week, we will speak to Vic Fangio and hear what Vic has to say because he's usually pretty honest about things. So Shahad Campbell's a big question here, some of replacing some of the players that they lost. So looking forward to that. Yeah, what sexual innuendo can Vic give us now that we've heard from Jeffrey Howey

and the rest? What are the options? There are many. How much time you got? Overtime is about to go. We're about to go double over time. I have 21 or 19 minutes. Okay. I don't know.

I don't maybe check a search history. Check whose? Vicks. Oh, okay. I don't know. Yeah. All right. Anything else?

Anything you want to weigh in on before? We're not going to talk to you until next week. Until next week. Yeah, no, I can hold some of my thoughts still next week. Yeah. We're going to talk about the way that Eagles have flipped. the roster on defense. You've got some thoughts on that.

I look forward to that conversation. Yeah, and not flipped it on offense. The contrast there, yeah. Okay. Thanks, guys. This was fun. It was fun. I always enjoyed a four-hand show, four-person show,

or whatever. Four-person show. All right. I'll do it for the P. I Eagles podcast. We will talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. Fran, you're going to join us as well, I believe. That'll be fun.

Maybe we'll figure out some kind of draft that we can do. Look forward to that. Check out the exciting Mike's episode with Sequin Barkley. And, by the way, didn't mention it today. We talk about all the smack about the Packers, just to remind you, you can win a trip to go to the game in Lambo. If you go to all p.chol.com slash p.st. Fansweeps, enter, win, ticket for two.

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