PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Jalen Carter, Dallas Goedert and the Eagles who have the most to gain in the second half

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

Jalen Carter could push to become the league’s highest-paid defensive player with a big second half while pending free agents like Nakobe Dean, Dallas Goedert and Reed Blankenship are playing for co...in. But they’re not the only Eagles players and coaches with much to gain or lose based on how the second half goes for the Eagles. EJ Smith and Bo Wulf draft the people who have the most riding on the final nine (plus) games of 2025. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 H.O.I. Eagles podcast on a Thursday afternoon live from the Xfinity studio and presented by Bet365 and Ashley, Bor Wolf, E.J. Smith. I heard from Nick Siriani earlier today. The Eagles will be back on the practice field. We've got a lot to talk about ahead of the Monday nighter against the Green Bay Packers, E.J. Smith, how the hell are you? I'm doing great. It feels like we're right, we're about to get back into the swing of things, you know. Bye week was fun, but I'm ready for some football. I'm ready to get back into the daily grind. The daily grind of the NFL season. You know, excited for it.
Starting point is 00:00:49 I mean, I could take or leave the grind. Speak for yourself. I mean, this is not a bar mitzvah here where everybody's trying to, you know, seventh and eighth graders getting going on the dance floor. This is trying to live my life. I enjoy the ground. Are you the type of person that, like, you don't know what day,
Starting point is 00:01:09 of the week it is because the egos plan on Monday? No. I'm guilty of that. I have no idea. Like, I have to check myself constantly what day of the week it is. No, I have children in my house. We need to know what day of the week it is. That is fair.
Starting point is 00:01:21 That is fair. We don't have those. We just have dogs. And Julia now has a cat. Bo's pretty... Give it up, give it up for Julia. And the whole Dr. Doolittle's situation she's got going on in her house, adding all kinds of animals.
Starting point is 00:01:37 He is, Beau is like a pet hater. He's trying to mask it. So he's not a pet hater. I just, I don't need a pet. I'm excited for Julia. I'm happy for Julia. Julia loves pets. I'm happy for Julia.
Starting point is 00:01:47 I'm happy just in general because, you know, welcoming a new pet at home, that's amazing. You should be happy. You should be, you should just be happy. Not just happy for her. That's like, I love that for you.
Starting point is 00:01:59 Well, no, but I mean, listen, I love Julia, but her having a cat does not materially affect my life. I mean, maybe it does. Maybe she comes to work. It makes her happy. I mean, she's already pretty happy. How are we, you know, famously, famously, you know, cats and dogs,
Starting point is 00:02:15 maybe not the best of friends. How are we feeling about, how's Bee feeling about this? He is so excited. She's, like, just staring at her. Like, we have a little, like, dog crate for the kid. And she's, like, two pounds. So she's so tiny. So we have to, like, keep her so we don't step on her.
Starting point is 00:02:28 And then B is just, like, sitting right in front of the crate, just staring at her. That is so cute. Yeah. Yeah. What was your pet situation as a child? We had two cats, and they were great at first. and then they turned into little A-holes, and they lived for 20 and 21 years.
Starting point is 00:02:42 So when I told my mom, she was like, oh, are you sure? Nice. Okay. And what's your, just so the people know, what's your pet situation? My pet situation? You say it like, it's so serious. We've got two dogs. We have two, they're Rhodesian Ridgebacks.
Starting point is 00:03:00 Yeah, they're about 80 pounds. They got, they're really good. Some big old honkers. Yeah, but I wouldn't characterize them as, that. But yeah, they are, I suppose. They're big, they're like big cats, though. They definitely have like cat energy. Well, listen, you're wondering somebody is midway typing through a comment, they never talk about the Eagles on the show. Well, get to the football. Well, guess what? This has a lot to do with the Philadelphia Eagles. You know why? Because Nick Sierra Leone talked about
Starting point is 00:03:26 his dog today. Yeah. What did he say? He said that he has the coaches over during the by week for basically a workday at his house. Now, famously in the past, he has not served food to the coaches. And I did want to get this question and like what was the food set up this time? Because in the past it's like you just throw out some chips like well I think one time he mentioned that he brought he had like he mentioned the wrong pizza that was a different time that was in the office you talked about yeah he talked about ordering uh it wasn't little caesar's was a sponsor of the eagles and they got a very huffy about it and he then had to he then had to really walk it back and be like oh man I sure do love little caes that is like a great like mini conspiracy like in the in the eagles
Starting point is 00:04:06 Eagles realm. Right. And you just know that when he says Pizza Hut, there's someone in charge of marketing with the Eagles who is, who it has completely ruined their month.
Starting point is 00:04:16 Yeah. Yeah, like their version of, I don't know, can I name ours? Like their version of Nick, like Nick's Day would be ruined. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, anyway, Nick Sierra Annie.
Starting point is 00:04:27 And what did you make of the way that Nick Sierra and I talked about his dog? He said that his dog is one of those annoying dogs who will never leave you alone if you pet him once, which I'm pretty sure is most dogs. Like, I think most dogs are like that. And he's like, so yeah, that's when I learned. Like, he just never, I've learned not to pet him because he's just so needy. It's like,
Starting point is 00:04:45 maybe the dog is for the kids in his house. I'll give him, I'll make some space for that. Sure. But yeah, it was a little bit, I mean, it's nice, yeah, petting a dog isn't, isn't the worst saying, but he said that Kevin Petulow pet the dog and the dog recognized Kevin Petulow as the mark. Yes. So he laid at Petulow's feet the whole time. All right. Well, let's get. I guess we don't know if the dog was he or she. I shouldn't be a true. reading that to the dog. Yeah, don't, don't misgender that thing. I, that's like one of my, um, like I need to work on that. It's like a yellow flag of mine. That you do it with pets or with people? Yeah, I think it's a, I think it's like a learned behavior that like I just like, I always
Starting point is 00:05:20 assume that a dog is a boy until otherwise, I can maybe, so we have boy dogs. Okay. I don't know, got to work on it. I got to be better. Put my hand up on that one. Maybe it's just the dogs are all dogs are dogs. That's good. You like that. All dogs are dogs. All right. Let's get to the main purpose of today's episode. We want to discuss the people in the building who have the most on the line over the course
Starting point is 00:05:47 of the second half of this season. This is going to be the first, the inaugural, Crakes on a Plain draft. Ooh, did you come up with that this morning? No, I came up with it five minutes ago. I mean, okay. Ten minutes ago, to be precise. Crakes on a plane? Because the stakes.
Starting point is 00:06:03 We're talking about the stakes of the season. and of course, Crakes are birds. I like that. Craig's on a plane. I like that. And so let's start. I'm going to give you the first overall pick, E.J., but before you get there,
Starting point is 00:06:13 the first overall pick, the person who has the most at stake over the second half of the season is the big deal presented by Cherry Hill Jeep. Who got the keys to my Jeep? So you're giving me the first pick? The people at Cherry Hill.
Starting point is 00:06:26 I'm going to give you the first pick. That's very kind of you. I appreciate that. Very magnanimous. Are we doing like a snake draft so you get the next two? No, this is just going to be a bounce back and forth.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Okay. Yeah, because I didn't really. know if there's like a competitive. This is more conversational. Yeah. There's not crakes for us. There's just crakes for these. For these draftees.
Starting point is 00:06:43 People. Yes. Now, to be fair, I'm going to win. But. In the game with no rules and no way of knowing if you actually win. You get the first pick. All right. Jalen Carter is my first pick.
Starting point is 00:06:58 He obviously. I will tell you, I will just tell you off the bat, and Chilin Carter was number two on my board. Oh, okay. I'm curious to see what number one on your board is then. But let me make the case for Jalen Carter is the number one overall pick here. He, in terms of actual money, like actual dollars and cents here, I think he probably has the most to gain or lose here because of the fact that we are probably talking about as he nears
Starting point is 00:07:21 extension eligibility, we are probably talking about the difference between a player that is making at the top of the market for defensive players compared to, and I hate to say this like it's reductive because it's not, but a player that is at the top of the defensive tackle. position. And that, I mean, that really is about $10 or $15 million a year that we're talking about here. So it's a significant amount of money. He obviously hasn't played necessarily at the level that we sort of expected him to ascend to. You know, his production hasn't been there. And, you know, he's only got the one sack so far this season. So I think that he, it's there for him to kind of restake his claim as the difference maker, as the center of this defense. And if he does so,
Starting point is 00:08:03 I think he does have the most money at stake here. I mean, so therefore, I think he was the just of the rightful first pick in this draft. If you are just simply measuring the most money on the line, I think you are correct. Yeah, I mean, it's a CTC situation here as I am. Sure, but it's not necessarily percentages, which we can get to, and the impact on your life, which we can get to. But the Jalen Carter discussion is very interesting because you're right. And if we flash up, like, who are the highest paid?
Starting point is 00:08:33 defensive players in football. If Jalen Carter was having the kind of season that we thought he might have where he was really in the conversation for a defensive player of the year, then you would be thinking on the first day of the new league year, he was signing a, I don't know, almost $40 million a year guaranteed.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Yeah, in that range. Yeah. And even if that's not the case, he remains the most important person on the defense. Yeah. He is their building block. They are going to make sure, that he is here for a long time.
Starting point is 00:09:05 He, you know, to say nothing of, like, the production, he plays, like, every snap, all of those things. I wonder if there's, like, a small part of Howie Roseman that's, like, you know, it's not the worst thing in the world that he's not racking up sacks, because that's what's going to come down to. In terms of, like... In terms of how much he's going to end up having to pay him. Oh, I agree.
Starting point is 00:09:26 I mean, if you're Hallie Roseman, it's like, maybe he can be kind of a, like... I mean, right now, I think Jalen Carter, obviously, he is recognized as an impact player still. But I do think there is an element to it where it's like you have to watch the game. You have to watch the film to see his impact. Yes. And I do think that that will have an influence
Starting point is 00:09:45 on the finances and what his value is league-wide. So especially like you have to remember his agents, Drew Rosenhouse. So this isn't necessarily like, obviously like Howie and Drew like go back a long time. So it's not like they haven't had negotiations in the past. But I do think, like, the only thing I'd push back on is, like, is there a world where if it is, like, top of the defensive tackle market instead of highest paid defensive players, which we're looking at here, type of a type of a market for Jalen Carter, does he wait it out? Which is something you don't typically see Eagles players do.
Starting point is 00:10:18 But if you're Drew Rosenhouse and Jalen Carter, if it was a down year this season, you probably do say, I'll take my chances in the final year of that rookie deal to then try and get to that Micah Parsons level. I think the way that it's set up for him, it's almost like you have to take the best deal you can get because if you don't get the best deal, then you're just playing on the fifth year option, and then you're getting the franchise tag, and then by that time, you're not going to get that monster, monster deal, right? So, I mean, the Eagles will make it worth his while, but, yeah, I think he, I would be surprised if he doesn't become the highest paid defensive tackle in football in March. So what do you think it needs to look like, like, you know, let's put a number. Like he has been, he has been
Starting point is 00:11:01 disappointingly very good this year. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's true. Right? But like not, I mean, he has been like maybe a, what, a top 10 defensive tackle in football instead of a top five. Right.
Starting point is 00:11:12 And I think we were hoping he was going to be transcendent this year. Yeah. Here, I'm looking up, I know you don't like pressure numbers, but. Don't, I mean, don't, just don't do it. No, I mean, he's 14th in pressures. Okay, behind who?
Starting point is 00:11:26 Siriani's dog? Well, I mean, that dog, does sound like he's pretty, he's got relentless effort. I mean, you know, Nick Serriani should respect that. He should be like, this dog, he's got relentless effort. That's connection. Yeah, that's one of the five core values. The core values of the, not only the Eagles roster, but the Siriani household.
Starting point is 00:11:42 So, yeah. Attention to detail. TDT. Yeah. The dog, is a dog tough, though. Maybe not. Detailed. Detailed.
Starting point is 00:11:51 Together, yes. Together, but maybe not tough. Yeah, maybe not tough. Maybe that's, maybe that's why Nick Seriani doesn't like the dog. But yeah, he's 14th in pressures. again, imperfect metric, but I do think like... It doesn't mean, he's 17th in feathers. Like, it's not a thing that...
Starting point is 00:12:08 It doesn't matter. When you combine it with his act production, it does leave him in like the middle of the road in terms of like, yeah, like that 10th or 12th best interior impasse rusher rather than the top two, top three game record that we kind of expected. So again, what would it have to look like for you? So let me ask you just a...
Starting point is 00:12:26 I don't think the Eagles would ever do this, but the thought exercise. Jordan Davis has taken a little bit of a leap. You've got Morrow Ojamo. If you could get the Micah Parsons package for Jalen Carter, would you consider it? That's a good question. Now, Jalen Carter is a younger player.
Starting point is 00:12:47 If I'm telling you can get two firsts and like an average starter. Yeah. I probably still wouldn't. I probably, yeah, I probably. We would bank on the potential. It's an interesting conversation, but I think you still,
Starting point is 00:13:03 there's still a world for Jalen Carter to be the Aaron Donald, like, uh, heir apparent. I'm not saying that like it's a likely thing because we're talking about like one of the best players in a generation, but he has that ability. I also think, you know,
Starting point is 00:13:16 listen, they know much more about his, uh, his work habits and all of that stuff and, and, and how committed he is. I mean, I think the fact that he plays 90% of the snaps tells you,
Starting point is 00:13:24 yeah, feel about that stuff. But if you're just thinking about, who on this defense do I really want to commit to long term? Defensive tackle is a position that ages better. You guys have a more extended prime than guys in the secondary. Yeah, that's a good point. So again, what would it have to look like for you in the second half of the season?
Starting point is 00:13:44 Let me put it this way. Let's say that you're hanging out with Nick Siriani's dog, and the dog just won't leave you alone, and he knocks you over and you hit your head on the back wall here. And then you wake up what would have been. I hope they're putting that dog down. Oh, this is what I mean. You see what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:14:03 You see what I'm saying? You see what I have to deal with? Well, it's coming after humans. This pet hater? Oh, my God. We need to clip this. Coming after me? And just blast it out. Cancel this man.
Starting point is 00:14:15 So let's say you hit your head on the wall. You wake up at, you know, first day of the off season. And the Eagles have announced that they signed Jalen Carter to a contract that, let's say that they give him four. $40 million a year, but maybe they guarantee the most money for a defensive player in NFL history. Let's say that that's the deal. What would you, when you go rushing to true media to see what Jalen Carter must have done while you were asleep or in your coma state here, what would he have to have done for you to go, okay, I think that makes sense. I mean, you could tell me he played 90% of the snaps and the Eagles made it to the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:14:53 you could tell me I think I think it is within his skill set to have six sacks over the next nine games Yeah But is six enough Is like seven sacks on a season
Starting point is 00:15:07 Career high He's six is his previous career high You know he's got nine quarterback hits Already if he gets to 20 something quarterback hits Yeah I think I think that would be fine Okay I mean it's in play
Starting point is 00:15:18 He I mean it's one It's one wrecked game From him and he's right back on track. So I think it's interesting. And I do think he has the most to gain because... Financially, but only if you're talking pure numbers of... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:34 Yeah. Guarantees. I think that's fair. Yeah. All right. That'll wrap it up for the big deal presented by Cherry Hill Jeep. With that, let's take a quick break to hear from some sponsors on the other side. You'll get my first pick, the person who is number one on my board.
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Starting point is 00:17:51 you. All right, back on the PHAWI Eagles podcast, the number two overall selection in the cricks on a plane draft. And listen, we're not talking money here, no matter what Jalen Carter is going to get paid. Yeah. There is no one in the Eagles building
Starting point is 00:18:07 who has a wider variance in their paths moving forward than Kevin Petulah. We know that this offense has all the talent that they need, according to Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie, no matter what happens in the second half of the season, they're not getting rid of the head coach,
Starting point is 00:18:27 they're not getting rid of the quarterback. We have seen this play out before. There is a chance for Kevin Petulow to become a head coach next season. There is also a chance for Kevin Petulow to be fired and he's probably never an offensive coordinator again. And you live in the Brian Johnson obscurity, right? And so...
Starting point is 00:18:47 Honestly, it's probably worse than that, right? I mean, Brian Johnson has landed on his feet. He is like a well-regarded coach. He's viewed as Siriani's lackey and he becomes a wide receivers coach somewhere, right? Yeah. I mean, there's just not, I don't think there's a soft a landing for Kevin Petullo. Not to like disparage him or anything here. It's just the reality of like he is not.
Starting point is 00:19:04 Brian Johnson at least. I think he's a passing game coordinator somewhere. Yeah, I would agree with that. But like Brian Johnson, I think is still going to get like a bite at the apple at some point here. Like I think he is, he was well regarded in league circles as like a rising star. and I think like Kevin Petulow obviously like he just isn't quite viewed the same way I don't think so across the league so I think there's honestly even more like of a variance here yes for the way it could go for him and I mean you have seen it play out in the market the way that he was talked about the first quarter of the season and now coming off of what I think we all agree was his his best game in terms of play calling and putting a game plan together against the Giants there's a there's a real possibility that we see this continue and, you know, him getting the extra reps is meaningful. And this offense plays up to its talent,
Starting point is 00:19:54 becomes a top five offense over the course of the second half of the season. And he is now in head coach conversations. And even if not, he's a trusted offensive coordinator next season. And he's in the mix moving forward. And so Kevin Petulow, in my mind, is absolutely the person who has the most riding on what happens here in the second half of the season. He was high on my board as well because of a lot of the things you said. I think that the, it is just like the nature of this offensive coordinator job with the Eagles.
Starting point is 00:20:23 I mean, Jalen Hertz talks about it all the time, that there's really only two ways it goes. You either get fired because the offense doesn't look good or you get plucked because, you know, the offense looks good. And it is a, you know, if you are the play caller for an offense that good, then you get head coaching opportunities. And it's like not lost on me. Like as someone who listens to Kevin Petulah every week in a press conference, allow me. the analogy, let's not get off the rails here. Please. No promises.
Starting point is 00:20:55 I'm so scared to say what I'm about to say. I could see him being similar to Jonathan Gannon in that he's good on the podium. He is a good communicator. And I do think that that matters when owners are evaluating coordinators and that would lead to him being a hot name in those types of conversations. I don't want to compare him.
Starting point is 00:21:16 I think he's good in the room. Yeah, I don't want to compare him too much to Jonathan Gannon. But I do think, like, there was an argument when Jonathan Gannon was a defensive coordinator that he'd be a better head coach because of his communication style and, like, his ability to kind to kind of be the leader. And I think that sometimes, like, the coordinators on the podium, you do kind of, I don't want to say that they're like auditioning for that, but I think that they're aware that is a thing. And I also think it is like, it is a good window into how they'd communicate with a team.
Starting point is 00:21:43 And I think Kevin Batole does a really nice job with that. right now the play calling side of it is where he needs to improve and if he does I think he'll get interest to the other stuff yeah sure yeah where would you put your turkeys on next season kevin petulow as a head coach is still the eagles offensive coordinator and is not employed by the eagles at all that is a good question um oh man this is tough I would say I'm pretty confident maybe I'll regret saying this but I'm pretty confident in the eagles offense figuring this out and making some progress. So I'm going to say 40% head coach.
Starting point is 00:22:23 Interesting. I feel like that's, if I think that the Eagles offense is going to look good, then I'd have to be strong. I'd have to be putting a lot of stock into him becoming a head coach. I'm going to say, now I have to do the math. I would say 30%, not with the, like, fired, honestly. And then 30%. You know, I'll say 45 head coach
Starting point is 00:22:49 And I'll say 25. Is that right? I don't know. You said a lot of numbers. I think 45% head coach. 30% not with the Eagles. I think that leaves me 25. Still the Eagles offensive coordinator.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Interesting. I actually think the most likely is that he's not back. Is that he's still the offensive coordinator. I just, I don't, I don't think there's as many scenarios where that's the case. I don't think that he's,
Starting point is 00:23:11 I don't think that he's definitely getting a head coaching job. Yeah, I just... And I think there's... Right now... Listen, the Eagles saw the value of continuity with Shane Steichen. I think it might be nice for Jalen. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:22 So the pathway for this is that the Eagles offense is... It's good. Fine. I've got it at 65 he's still here. Hmm. 20 fired 15 head coach. If they figure it out, I think he'll interview well and I think we'll get a job.
Starting point is 00:23:36 And if they don't figure it out, I think your guess here is that they won't figure it out entirely, but that they won't want to turn it over. I just don't think he's guaranteed a head coaching. job if the offense is good. I'm a little bit, I feel more strongly that he'll get a job if, if the offense is as good as like he's never had head coaching interviews. I think, whereas like, Kellynne Moore was already, had already been through that thing.
Starting point is 00:24:00 Stuyken was seen as a little bit more of like a, like a play calling whiz. Yeah, Stuyken. Stikin's a good example, but I mean, I still think the most likely way that you're right is if the offense doesn't quite figure it out, but they don't want to turn over at offensive coordinator again. I think that's the one that maybe I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm gonna go your next pick. Um, let's see. Now, this is where, like, I want to stay true to the board rather than, got to, I think there's a fun conversation that could dovetail into this, but I'll, I'll save it. I'm gonna go
Starting point is 00:24:34 Nacobi Dean. Okay. A little bit lower on my board, but I'm really, okay. I, I feel like for to Kobe Dean, the difference between being like the Kaiser White of this year's defense where it's like Kaiser Shuzi. The difference between being whatever that was
Starting point is 00:24:54 and just kind of being like a middle of the road linebacker that signs elsewhere to start like the Jordan Hicks if you will or like being like viewed as like a top 15 top 20 linebacker in the NFL and being like at the top of that market I do think that there's a significant like him and Quay Walker are the young linebackers who were scheduled to be free agents.
Starting point is 00:25:14 Right. So I think if he plays well and if he plays ahead of Jahad Campbell, we're talking about a guy who's going to command a lot on the open market. And if he proves he can stay healthy? I mean, yes, but I mean, Jordan Hicks, I guess Jordan Hicks didn't really command like a huge deal though, so you're right. And that was one injury for Jordan Hicks. Yeah, no, I still just think like if Nicopi has a really solid year,
Starting point is 00:25:37 he's going to end up top of that market. The signal to the league that he was playing over Jihad Campbell is enough to make it clear that he is a valuable person. I really, I find, we've talked about it already, I find the little dynamic there and the Dan Sategoes are going to have to do with Nikobi Dean and Jihad Campbell to be fascinating. And there's a good chance that at some point it works itself out. Yeah. But, you know, I think there are people in the building who really care about having Nekobi Dean on the field because of what it does for the rest of the defense. Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment I just, and for that reason
Starting point is 00:26:13 I think he won't be here. I don't think he'll be back with the Eagles, so he has a lot of money to make himself. Yeah, the problem is this is unlike some of the other positions where they're going to have some interesting decisions to make in that Zach Bonn and Jahad Campbell aren't going anywhere. Right. Like there's no, there's not really optionality
Starting point is 00:26:29 there. Yeah, it's not like they could, I mean unless they just completely change, unless they completely change the way that they function on defense. Or they just turn Jehad Campbell into an edge rusher, which I don't think they're going to do. I mean, yeah, there's like a, how many turkeys would you put on that scenario? We're Nikobe's back and Jihad Campbell's just. Two. Andrew Van Ginkle.
Starting point is 00:26:46 But even Andrew Van Ginkle, that's not really the role we're talking about here. Yeah, I'd say like five. Okay. So this is a pure open market value. Yeah, I really valued like the amount of money that these guys could make. You know, again, CTC. Some people care about a little bit more. You know.
Starting point is 00:27:00 Got the green hoodie. My role is, but okay. All cash. Okay, I'm going to get, this is, I could, I can do, kind of a, maybe it's unfair to talk about two guys in concert with each other. But Jalen Phillips to me is very interesting. And you want to talk about open market value. That matters a lot here to Jalen Phillips. If he comes in and is an impact player on a defense that makes a deep playoff run, yeah, a guy, a former first round pick in the prime of his career theoretically,
Starting point is 00:27:29 he's going to get a monster deal. I also think this is a really interesting one from the Eagles perspective because it's like if he plays really well, well he's definitely not coming back. Right. If he plays just okay, maybe there's like a one-year deal kind of scenario.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Yeah, like if he, if maybe the injury history scares guys off. Like what happened with Chase Young, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. And if he just plays poorly, then he's probably not coming back anyway. And if he plays super well,
Starting point is 00:27:57 then they're going to count on that third-round pick. But it's interesting in conjunction with Nolan Smith, because just like Jalen Carter is eligible, the Eagles are going to have to make a decision on Nolan Smith whether to extend them, and if not, whether to pick up his fifth year option this year. And if Jalen Phillips comes in and is significantly better than Nolan Smith
Starting point is 00:28:18 or Nolan Smith gets hurt again, then I think you could make a case for the Eagles doing something this offseason. That's more about keeping Jailen Phillips here for the next few years and looking to trade Nolan Smith. Yeah, that is an interesting framing. like if you had to commit to one of the edge rushers in your room, well, one of the two of those guys, I guess Jay Lexxon is kind of a separate evaluation.
Starting point is 00:28:40 Yeah, I could see a world where it's like, because Nolan Smith also has an injury history. So if you're, because I'm going to take a whiff here, like the Josh Sweat comparison that you kind of just maybe lofted, lobbed up to your other co-host, Brandon Graham. He just said he was tall. I said who was the other tall guy you've had. Come on.
Starting point is 00:28:58 I'm just saying, you know. I got the latest episode of Unblocked. Yeah. You got to make sure you listen to my spots with Cuzz in the morning because we talked about how Jalen Phillips reminded me of Joshua. I'm not saying it's like the greatest. Good for you. Let me make sure that I, because I can just see, I can, I can hear Fran typing furiously in the chat here. I'm not saying it was like the most like outlandish comparison.
Starting point is 00:29:21 They're also not that similar in terms of style. No, stylistically, but just like profile of player and the way that like physical, physical traits. But yeah, I do think like there's a world where you would say like let me, I, you'd feel better about Jalen Phillips over the next three or four years than Nolan Smith given the way that this year has gone. And again, the Josh White comparison, it's like the Eagles have had like an injury prone or at least an address with an injury history in Joshua. In the past, that they've been able to kind of work around. I also do find this offseason will be fascinating from a the Georgia guys standpoint. Yeah. Okay, we've kept this nucleus together.
Starting point is 00:30:00 We really love what having all of these guys together and the building does for us. Like, you know, nobody can keep Jalen Carter in check better than Nikobe, all of these things. Well, this offseason, it kind of comes to a head because, you know, it's probably a good chance that's gone. Maybe you're making other decisions.
Starting point is 00:30:15 And then how does that affect, like, the dynamic with those guys in the building? Yeah, and I think we'll probably discuss another one of the Georgia guys at some point. All right, two rounds in, two pretty clear victories for me. that'll send us to break and then we'll come back with the fifth pick in the first
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Starting point is 00:32:53 We've had Jalen Carter. We've had Kevin Petulow. We've had Nicoby Dean. We've had Jalen Phillips and Nolan Smith a little bit together. Who's next? It's my turn to draft. Yeah, you're right, because you had Jalen Phillips. I apologize.
Starting point is 00:33:06 Yeah, this is not a tough one to keep track of. Maybe it's a bit at this point for me that I just like can't keep track of the draft order. You know, I'm torn here. Nothing's like I'm torn. I'm going to go. I'm going to take this one from me. you. Tanner McKee.
Starting point is 00:33:27 Not even on my board. Wrote him down. Really? But I had just outside the top 12. I think the Tanner McKee is an interesting one. I mean, it's a fun exercise. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:33:38 If he gets it. I mean, the league already knows he's a top 10 quarterback. No, because I was listening to, you know, I mentioned CTC earlier. I was listening to a certain handsome podcast host who. Me?
Starting point is 00:33:51 Best hosts in the city. I mean, you're not a bad. I'd looker yourself. You are my work wife after all. But yeah, I mean, shout out to, honestly, no, I need to start naming him and groveling so that the Capadilla ladies can stop being furious with me. So shout out to Shield. Very handsome. I was listening to it. Yeah, absolutely. I was listening to his podcast this morning on my way in, and you know, they're kind of like poo-pooing the idea of a Tanner McKee. It was him and Ben Solac. Solac said he's the leader of the Tanner McKee fan club, but then went on to basically
Starting point is 00:34:24 say that like that the browns i mean maybe it's a rational take he said the brown shouldn't shouldn't accept the trade two first and tanner mackie for miles garrett i feel like that's sure the equivalent of three first round picks yeah they should take that deal one first in tannermakey miles garrett i invented the guy miles garrett and tanner mckee or miles garret for tanner mckee straight up who says no i mean browns i thought i thought you'd be committed to the bit yeah as a man i'm an honest i'm an honest uh man as a man who has once said that darius coo is the greatest receiver in the NFL. I never said that.
Starting point is 00:34:58 Yeah, more or less. He's the third best receiver on the Eagles. More or less. That's actually, that's a good take. That one could come to roost for you. Not a take, it's the truth. But yeah, if Tanner McKee gets into a game or two. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:35:09 He could play himself into a starting opportunity somewhere else. And again, CTC, starting quarterback money. No, that's absolutely right. Yeah. I think he does have a lot at stake. So he's the, this is like a Beaumonti Jones poll here. He's got to be a stay-ready all-star. You can't get ready.
Starting point is 00:35:27 You got to stay ready. Yeah. He's great. I'm coming from a position of everybody should already know that. Yeah, but like they don't. Yeah. Let's hear who you have above Tanner McKee.
Starting point is 00:35:41 Well, this is more about keeping a job. I think that you could do the little dance between the two of them, whether it's Jacori and Bennett or Keelier Ringo. But I still think that Keelringo has a chance to play his way into keeping this job. And if he wards off even more competitors, then maybe he gets to be penciled in
Starting point is 00:36:03 to be the starter again next year. I think it's probably unlikely. Yeah. So I think maybe in stacking them, I have him a little bit too high. But I do think there's a really good chance that Kueh Lerigo is still the guy who gets the most snaps
Starting point is 00:36:17 at Outside Corner after Coynean Mitchell the rest of the season. Yeah, I just, it's... And I thought he played probably his best game against the Giants, which was not the most difficult assignment, but if you think that there's, if you think corner is a,
Starting point is 00:36:29 uh, uh, uh, confidence based position and maybe he's playing with a little bit more swag. I don't know. It's an interesting one. I can't decide if I, like,
Starting point is 00:36:39 I'm really trying to think. Like if Keely Ringo played well for the next two months, would they go into the off season saying Kili Ringo is the second outside corner for next season? If he played well? It's been such a, I think they would bring in better competition, but I think,
Starting point is 00:36:52 it just hasn't been a clean, yeah. It hasn't been. been a clean year for him in a way where I think they probably still, he'd have to be really, really solid for the rest of the year. Like it would have to be like new Keely Ringo, got the haircut, and all of a sudden he's a new player. Like, so I just.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Now if it's Bennett, he also has another year left on his rookie deal, right? Bennett, you could talk me more into. If Bennett came in and was just a absolutely like fine outside cornerback for the second half of the season, because he was injured and he got traded like mid-season mid-training camp and he had the onboarding process. I think you could talk me into that scenario where if Nick Siriani's dog knocked me into the wall
Starting point is 00:37:28 and I woke up and you told me like no the Eagles aren't going to draft a corner because Jacorian Bennett was really good in the second half of the season. I could see that. I think it would be hard for me like in the same made-up scenario to feel confident about Keely Ringo
Starting point is 00:37:41 given how the last few months have gone. Okay. All right, I'm going to give you that one. All right. So it's two to one. Given these made-up rules and yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:55 We haven't done Jordan Davis. Is he on your board? No. Really? Yes. I guess, I mean, he is under contract. He's already paid for. Yeah. But is there a world where he plays lights out and like... There's a world. I don't know that it changes how much he's making too much. You know, I'm, I just, that was my pick. I was just, I was just remarking that we hadn't done him.
Starting point is 00:38:17 Oh, you're playing the, you're playing the soft launch and that's, you want to get the discussion and then not be chided for the pick? I soft launched Jordan Davis there. I'm going to go Christian Parker He's on my list Because I do think You know you obviously You know
Starting point is 00:38:32 Had your full chested Christian Parker Appreciation for your bold predictions And I do think it's still in play We should say I mean I know most of the sequence I know who he is He's the Eagles defensive backs coach
Starting point is 00:38:43 So I think if if this secondary Starts to take shape And especially if like there's some creative combinations and oh like they got Jaya Alexander in one week They got Cooper to Jean Playing all these different spots I do think that
Starting point is 00:38:56 there could be some buzz for him toward the end of the season as like the guy in charge of the secondary that figured it out mid-season. I think that's absolutely right. And I do think that he is another, I mean, I probably would put him, I mean, Petulow has like such a clear path
Starting point is 00:39:11 to a head coaching opportunity, but I think he's one of the more impressive coaches on staff. So I think he has a chance at that too. I know he has aspirations for that. So he does have a lot of stake. It's not the range isn't as great as a Kevin Patullo.
Starting point is 00:39:24 Like, you know, No, I think because he's not losing his job. Yeah, if the secondary doesn't figure it out, you'd still feel like Christian Parker's one of the better position coaches in the NFL. But because of what he has to gain, I do think in the middle rounds here, I think he's a good value. No, it's a good pick. And you could argue that maybe the Eagles' willingness to add more guys in the secondary
Starting point is 00:39:45 is partly because they believe that Christian Parker can get those guys up to speed. Yeah. Now, obviously, he's got the experience with Jare Alexander. and Joe Casper has Michael Carter. But yeah, I think that's absolutely right. If we wake up in, you know, week 16 and Jaya Alexander is starting on the outside and playing well. Yeah, that is like the Christian Parker. Right.
Starting point is 00:40:07 Or if it turns out that Kubrickian's on the outside of Michael Carter is playing well, it's like, man, thank goodness for Christian Parker getting these guys up to speed. Yeah, yeah. And maybe it is a D. D.C. job, like he takes the D. D.N.R. Wilson route. But I do think, I mean, he's a young guy. And he's another one that I think will. You're thinking he could go straight.
Starting point is 00:40:22 I don't know. I don't think so. I think it'll be D. but he's a young guy and I think that he's another one where like when you hear him talk about the game like you hear him in these settings and I know
Starting point is 00:40:32 I agree with that I'm not trying to overstate like how a guy is with the media makes him a head coach material I'm just saying like it's part of the equation I think that he would be somebody that would become like one of the hotter names in the coaching circles
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Starting point is 00:40:59 Well, you wouldn't have heard of this. Julia, have you heard of Big Barker? They're like little boxes. Oh, the dog beds? How do you? No, no, no, no, no. Wait, is that? Oh, yeah, that is it. I was thinking of one of my, bark boxes is what I was thinking. My dogs do sleep on Big Barkers, though. No free ads. Well, let me, let's take the brand name out of it. Make sure your dogs are sleeping on some good supportive beds. That's all I'll say. We, you know, one of our guys, he's old now, he's got
Starting point is 00:41:26 creaky joints, need to make sure you're taking care of him. Okay. You hate pets. This is terrible. Just saying. It's like a rare... Take care of yourself. It's a rare yellow red flag with some of you. Take care of yourself. It's a rare,
Starting point is 00:41:42 it's a rare bow wolf red flag that you just like hate animals. I don't hate them. Could have fooled me. I don't need to have one, that's all. You would seem like, Like, you seem like you'd be a cat guy. What?
Starting point is 00:41:56 But you... What on earth would make you think that? I don't know. You don't seem... Well, just like you're kind of anti-pet, you don't seem like you'd want like a high-maintenance animal in your house. Right.
Starting point is 00:42:08 And cats are lower maintenance. Like, people say they're like roommates. Yeah, I have roommates. You don't have roommates. I mean, you're raising children. Children. Yeah, they're not roommates. They're high maintenance.
Starting point is 00:42:18 They're higher maintenance than dogs. Yeah. I always offend my... sister because like her kids are similar ages to my dogs and I always like make the false equivalency. That's an outrageous equivalency for you to make. I mean, it isn't, it isn't. Like they are, they have childlike tendencies.
Starting point is 00:42:39 Okay. Yeah, you got to help them. Yeah, sometimes you got to clean up after them. They have their, they have their rebellious faces. You want to talk about stakes. like the stakes are much lower I mean it says the guy
Starting point is 00:42:59 who just said that Nixon he shouldn't say that said the guy who just suggested that a dog should be put down for knocking you over if a dog's coming after kids then yeah it's real stakes you're not a kid I am in my head no man
Starting point is 00:43:14 you've never met my dogs either you'd like them they're good I'm sure I would yeah the younger one is like Nixon your Annie's dog. If you pet him, you're in for a long day. It's fine. No, I mean, yeah, like, I'm not, I'm not like, I like to pet my dog, so I don't really have a problem with that. Okay. I mean, we're going to talk about the quarterback. And I know it's not like he's going to lose his job, but if you just think about the standing,
Starting point is 00:43:47 if Jalen Hertz, you know, takes his team to the Super Bowl again, there's no, there's no, there's denying on the national platforms that he is an elite quarterback. He probably gets another extension, right? Because he's two years removed now. And he is the most important person in the franchise. If things blow up with AJ Brown and the Eagles are forced to move on from AJ Brown because this thing couldn't come together, then that is a mark against him, right? And it not only affects how he's viewed as a player, but potentially in the locker room,
Starting point is 00:44:27 because I'm sure that there are some people who will think it was his fault or whatever it was, right? So, I mean, the most important player, the most important person in Philadelphia sports, has a lot to gain and a lot to lose. He has a lot to gain. I don't know if I feel like he has as much to lose, but I do think the more things in Jalen Hertz's career that validate his Michael Jordan cosplay, the better. Like, the more he, because he's always, and I think like, if he becomes like, because again, like you think like if this team reaches, if this team wins the Super Bowl
Starting point is 00:45:01 back to back years, like the way that he's carried himself since he arrived in Philadelphia becomes so much more of like the fault of the lore, the legacy that is Jalen Hertz. Like, you know, it becomes like he always carried himself that way and then we should have known he was destined for great things. He knew before they knew. Exactly. So it's almost like the, the, like, what is it? Like, the Victor writes the story.
Starting point is 00:45:24 You know, the winner writes the story. Like, I think that that is in play for him here. You know, I, it's funny, like, you know, not to wax poetic about how much I enjoy the podcast, but, like, we have so many good conversations with so many very smart people on this show. And, like, I, like, ever since Day Niz mentioned, like, the urgency of, like, being the defending champions and, like, the opportunity to do that back to back years and what that does for you in terms of, like historic significance. It has, I just like haven't been able to forget about that.
Starting point is 00:45:52 You know, it's like, it's been really a big part of how I look at the season. And for Jalen, like, yeah, to become a back-to-back champion, it would really, like, reinforce a lot of who he is in a way that I think would be really meaningful. So I agree. He was on my list. I, like, again, I wasn't, I mean, again, wearing the green hoodie. This was about money for me more than anything. But in terms of legacy, which I guess is.
Starting point is 00:46:15 But you could also argue in money. I mean, if he could. If he gets a new mega deal, that's all. It's a lot of cheddar. No, you're absolutely right. So I think he's a really good one. I think he should be high up on the list. Three to one.
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Starting point is 00:49:14 It's a lot of fun. And, of course, we love Reading Terminal. I do love Reading Terminal. has a special place in my heart. Why? No, it seems like there's a story here. There is, but I'm not going to tell the story. I can't, no.
Starting point is 00:49:29 It's not a good story. What do you mean? It's not a story. Yeah. I have an open book on the show. I'm not like my predecessor. We've spent a lot of time there. That's what I would say.
Starting point is 00:49:40 My family and I have spent a lot of time at Reading Terminal Market. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah. No, I'm excited. When you say that that's one of your favorite days, Is it because you love Thanksgiving? It's not because I love Thanksgiving, but I do love Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 00:49:56 Yeah. What? Yeah. You're coming at me for dogs and you're going to be here saying you hate Thanksgiving? I like Thanksgiving. Oh, my God. It doesn't hold a candle to the true holiday season, in my opinion. Which is what, National Pets Day?
Starting point is 00:50:12 No, I mean, I celebrate Christmas. The holiday season in general, though. Like, it doesn't have to just be Christmas. That December 20th? Chat, boo this man. January 4th. You don't have to choose between the two of them. You can still.
Starting point is 00:50:27 I'm not saying you choose. Also, Thanksgiving is kind of like the beginning of the holiday season. But it's fine. And I think the biggest thing, he says, the two things about Thanksgiving for me, I don't love the food. Tracer, I also had the same thought about E.J. Wait, where is this?
Starting point is 00:50:43 As to why you have such an affinity for Reading Terminal has this special place in your heart. But this has been a real topic all week. There's a fascination with me that I was not expected. Inside and outside the studio. The power bottom chat made it into a few of my group chats. Nice. And yeah, it's been tough.
Starting point is 00:51:05 They clipped it. It's been circulated. It's good. I mean, much more, I cannot believe you're saying you hate Thanksgiving. I don't hate Thanksgiving. You went out of your way to be like, so you like Thanksgiving, huh? I think that there is a superior, there's a superior holiday season that is above Thanksgiving. I don't love the food for Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 00:51:30 There's nothing on the Thanksgiving table that is like, other than like the mass but the, not the mashed potatoes, the sweet potatoes with the marshmallow on top. That's a strong one. But the rest of it, it's fine. It's just fine. And you're allowed to make something you like too. Oh, I will. I'll smoke a turkey and I enjoy that.
Starting point is 00:51:47 It's fun. I get you real high. And then the other part of it is like, I understand like not everybody spends a lot of time with their family and I understand that. But for me personally, I see a lot of my family. So for me, it's like a dinner with my family with food I don't like. Wow. It's like I see you guys a good amount and we usually have better meals in this. What a take.
Starting point is 00:52:14 The Christmas season, the holiday season, superior in my opinion. It's like the most like warm like court like genial time of year. Everybody is so happy. The argument is not Thanksgiving is better than Christmas. Yeah, well that that's my argument. The idea is Thanksgiving is good. My argument is that Christmas is better than Thanksgiving. I would put Easter over Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 00:52:36 Yeah. I like Easter. I like an Easter. Okay. I like a peep as we talked about before. Yeah, I bet you do. Julia, were you team peep? I like stale peep.
Starting point is 00:52:45 Oh, yes. A stale peep. I like a lot of stale food. actually. Yeah. Have you ever had my Julia will call this? Are you a dog? There's a certain there's like I couldn't laugh today I had the cough I knew I I couldn't I had to keep it under control today and here you are asking me if I'm a dog I mean all men are dogs right all men are dogs. All men are dogs. There's a certain like if it gets like a
Starting point is 00:53:23 little stale. It has like a texture to it that's really satisfied. There's some things like that. Like a graham cracker. Okay. An Oreo. How many gram crackers are you eating as a 30 plus year old man? We always have gram crackers in the house because we make smores. So, and they get stale and they're better that way. Um, smore's fact for you here. We're way off the rail. So I'm just going to keep going. Reese's smore. Oh my God. Amazing. What do you, what, where do you throw a Reese's cup? Yeah, Reese's cup. No. That replaces the Hershey. Okay. Yeah, that sounds good. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:53:55 They're worse for you. Like, walking to me. I think you can like. So are a lot of delicious things. I think you can like, I think you can, you can probably have like two or three like regular smores and feel pretty good about it. But a rhesas smore. Like, you can't have that many. But very good.
Starting point is 00:54:13 But yeah, Oreos are way better stale. Like not like totally stale, but just like a little stale. Like who needs like the crisp of an Oreo? You don't eat that. So, yeah. So far you've mostly just talked about like... Sweet treats. Yeah, candy.
Starting point is 00:54:27 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah, like stale bread. Like nobody's going in for that. Turn into croutons if you want. Oh, homemade croutons. Very strong. Okay. Mr. Stale over here.
Starting point is 00:54:41 Maybe you should try having your Thanksgiving dinner a week later. A stale Thanksgiving? Yeah. I don't think any of those foods would improve with extra air, air exposure. other than, I mean, like, you get the turkey skin nice and dry. Yeah. All right, the number nine overall selection in the inaugural Crix on a plane draft as EJ tries to catch up to my potentially insurmountable lead is.
Starting point is 00:55:08 It's you. Oh, man. You took a lot. Oh, well, we haven't talked about read Blankenship yet. Okay. So I think I'm, that's really one of the last ones on my list here. You even got a graphic for this one. Yeah, we have the highest paid safeties in the,
Starting point is 00:55:24 the league, I'm not saying that Reed is like going to be like top of the market safety, but honestly, if he's available on in free agency, he's been very solid for the Eagles. You know, Vic Fangio has been complimentary of him. So again, like Kyle Hamilton at the top here, you probably throw him out. I would say so. Well, I'm just saying, like, you know, that's probably more of a conversation for Cooper to Gene, actually. But from there, like that $20 million a year range, I think that that is a ceiling for Reed here.
Starting point is 00:55:53 and I don't know if he has like something to prove over the next two months, but I do think like as someone who is coming up on a free agency here, I did want to make sure we included him. It's a good one. And I would argue that while he has a lot at stake, his standing with the Eagles is actually more affected by how Andrew McCuba plays than by how he plays. Yeah, because you feel better about. If Macuba comes on in the second half, then you feel better about being able to replace
Starting point is 00:56:27 reed blanket ship, where if it looks like he's still swimming a little bit, maybe you, maybe you feel like you do have to commit to bringing back Reed on something like a, you know, two years of good guaranteed money. Yeah, that's a, that is a good point I hadn't considered is that like the Maccuba roller coaster could be like a good negotiating chip for reed blakenship there. Right. And also the fact that Sydney Brown does not seem to be. in Vicks good graces.
Starting point is 00:56:55 What do you think Hallie Rosen would have traded Sidney Brown for it before the deadline? A six round pick. You think it was actually a six? I think he probably would have taken a seventh. I mean, with how they've used those late round picks to get like useful players, well, semi-useful, we'll see the jury's out.
Starting point is 00:57:11 But like players that... I think what he would have liked to do would have been trading him for a player. Yeah. What do you think he would have taken for Nicoby Dean? I don't think he would have traded Nicoby Dean. Yeah, because there's probably not somebody who would offer you a lot.
Starting point is 00:57:26 Yeah. But if somebody called you and offered you like a four for an Okoby-Dee? I think they want to keep the players who are going to help him win a Super Bowl. And I think that's fair. Can help him win a Super Bowl. Yeah. That is fair. All right.
Starting point is 00:57:37 I will give you my next pick in overtime. I mean, AJ Brown. He was on my list. He's got a lot of stake. He doesn't. He doesn't, though. Like, because I, you could see. I'm going to show you my crude big board here.
Starting point is 00:58:03 Yeah. I have the question mark next. Because it's like, yeah, if he doesn't, I mean, what are you saying? He doesn't play well, he's gone. No, it's not about. If he plays well, he could be gone. Correct. I think this is less about him being here and more about him getting what he wants.
Starting point is 00:58:19 And if the second half plays out the way the first half plays out, and there's more conversations about, like, is this a guy that you would want around? Is he going to be too much of a distraction? that is probably counterproductive to the things that he wants. To me it's like if AJ were like desperate to stay, if we knew that AJ was desperate to stay in the Eagles were the ones that the jury was still out on, I would feel like, yeah, there's stakes there.
Starting point is 00:58:45 But because of how like nebulous this whole thing has become, it's hard to know like what AJ, I mean, that we literally spend so much time. Like what does AJ want? Like for me it's hard to like attribute stakes. What AJ wants, what AJ needs, what AJ does. have me to set him free. Julia's harmonies are strong back there.
Starting point is 00:59:05 But you know what's funny about Julia like harmonizing? It's like I can hear it and it sounds good but you know how like you'll sing in the car and you think you're like nailing it and like then like if the music like cuts out it's like ooh that's you to the audience right now.
Starting point is 00:59:23 No, no, believe me, I never think I'm nailing it. I also have ears. Like I'm going to listen back to this on the car ride home and I'm going to be like, Yeah, yeah. The song, the only song that I feel like I sing well is, oh Canada. That is so random. It's a good shower song.
Starting point is 00:59:44 My two shower songs are, Oh, Canada, and do you hear the people sing? So you... So why are you singing, oh, Canada? It's a great song. Just love you some Canada? It's a good song. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's fine.
Starting point is 01:00:05 I can't. Listen, no shade to America. It's a far superior song to the Star Spangled Banner. Oh, is there Willie Lampkin news? Eagles practice in 10 minutes. Oh, the Eagles open the practice window for Willie Lampkin. Ooh, the Lampkin is always full. The lamp is never, no, it's never full.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Yeah, the Lampkin is never full. Well, that's exciting. Yeah. Third wide receiver. So here's my question for you. Do you think, would you argue that DeVante, has more at stake than AJ Brown because if you think that there's a possibility
Starting point is 01:00:36 that they do end up moving AJ Brown, is it Devante who stands to benefit and he can prove in the second half of the season that he can be a bona fide number one receiver? It's interesting. I think I think if they were to trade AJ around in the offseason, I know there are people who were watching right now
Starting point is 01:00:55 like I thought we were done with this conversation. We're really, I mean, it's not going to, it's never going to end. It's not going to end until the off season at this point. well it will start in the offseason again but I think if you were looking on the market for a receiver to compliment Devante Smith you're going to be hard pressed to find one better than him anyway
Starting point is 01:01:12 so it's not like he has to prove he's a number one like yeah he will be the number one almost by default well sure I mean unless it's like Jamar chase or something like that which no you're right he's yeah that's that is what would happen but I don't know maybe it's also maybe he gets a new deal I don't know can we do a package deal Whenever we talk about the potential for AJ Brown to get traded in the off season,
Starting point is 01:01:34 can we also talk about the potential for the Eagles to trade for Miles Garrett in the off season? Like, balance it out. Sure. It feels like it will happen. You think it will happen? I don't. I'd put it at 40 turkeys. That's an outrageous amount of turkeys.
Starting point is 01:01:53 Outrageous. This will be just like Morrow and Jomo 2.0. Roll the clip. You got to put some real hooch down on this then, because that is, an assonine amount of turkey. Asinine. Yes. Listen, I think.
Starting point is 01:02:05 You think there's a 40 turkey chance that the Eagles trade for Miles Garrett? It's really just a question of will Miles Garrett become available? No, it's not. Because the rest of the league also gets a chance to trade for him in that case. I think the Eagles would be the most aggressive
Starting point is 01:02:19 to get him. I don't know. That is a crazy percentage chance. 40? I want to plant my flag on it. This is like, this is my, like, this is Moro Jomo 2.0. Be strong on it.
Starting point is 01:02:32 Be an early adopter. And then... Outrageous. If it doesn't happen, we delete the footage. It's 65 minutes into the pod. Nobody's going to be like, Oh, E.J., remember when you said that?
Starting point is 01:02:43 That was my best Shady Ray in person. Oh, E.J., remember when you said that? Nobody's going to remember that. But if it's right, I asked Julia to roll the clip in a few months, then I get to take the credit. But even then, you didn't think it was going to happen. You still went 150 percent,
Starting point is 01:02:59 so you can't say it. But your outrage just made it for me. Nah. You still don't get to take credit because you did. Unless you say 51, you can't take credit. No, I can because I said 40. And you were proven incorrect. You contextualized how crazy it is for me to be such an early adopter here.
Starting point is 01:03:16 I feel great about it. Okay. I'm going to give you that last round. So I win three to two. Good first edition of Crakes on a plane. Craigs on a plane is one of your better ones. I really like that. Who else was on your list if you want to do any quick hits?
Starting point is 01:03:32 Let's see. Do I have any honorable mentions? I think Dallas Goddard is like the other, you know, pending free agent. Yeah, it's funny. But I actually don't think that his value changes too much based on what he does the second half of the season. Especially at a very strong first half of the season. That's why I didn't. That's why I skipped over him. He's still going to be viewed as a good player who gets injured sometimes.
Starting point is 01:03:49 Yeah. And the Eagles still don't have a replacement plan for him. So I don't know that his future changes too much. Yeah, I agree. No, that those are the, I mean, Nolan Smith was on my list as well, but you obviously hit on him. I have Cooper dejean on here as well. Just if it does happen that he moves to the outside and he still looks like a superstar,
Starting point is 01:04:10 that probably changes the trajectory of his financial outlook. Yeah. I think he's going to make a lot of money regardless. I agree. So, yeah. Okay. It was good. What else you got?
Starting point is 01:04:20 I feel like I did have something to tell you. I think it was the power bottom circulating in the text threads. Must have been. I feel like we Let's just feel like this is too much football today We talked about dogs We talked about Thanksgiving You hating Thanksgiving, yeah
Starting point is 01:04:41 Honestly, if you want to say I hate Thanksgiving like that Are there any super chats? That is fine No, super chance Oh, okay Labrador Jackson Zach Bowman
Starting point is 01:04:53 Jackson Jackson Labradori Jackson Zach Bone is good But yes, LB908 has a much better one which is a friend would name his dog Jackson Paws. Jackson Paws is a good one.
Starting point is 01:05:04 Jackson Paws is good. You want to hear my dog's Brazilian nicknames? I sure do. So you're... Well, tell me their real names. You won't understand this at all because you don't have a pet. Julia will get this.
Starting point is 01:05:14 Tell me there are real names first. You'll never get it. But yeah, my first... Our oldest dog is Maddox. Named after Avanti or Greg? When the Eagles drafted Avanti, it was like a big moment in my house. This is before I covered the team
Starting point is 01:05:27 because it's like... Is it spelled like Avanti or spelled like Greg? exactly like Avanti. Okay. I had a friend who went to school with, or no, no, Gary Maddox. I had a friend who went to school with Gary Maddox. And then the other one?
Starting point is 01:05:39 Pharaoh. It's like the Pharaoh Islands. We didn't name him, but school name. So I'm going with, uh, no, you'll never get it. Doxino. You'll get Pharaoh. Maddox, I have to give you a backstory.
Starting point is 01:05:50 And Julia, Julia will understand this. You won't. Your dog's names evolve over time. And then their name is like unrecognizable from the original name. Like, because they get nicknames. and I don't really know how it happened but Maddox has become Padena so
Starting point is 01:06:07 I have no idea where it came from but like it's say it a little more time Pademia what what are you going to do with this thing Padenia no that's no that was a stretch
Starting point is 01:06:25 boo off the stage that's what my niece says does your daughter say that off the stage? I got Julia. Does your daughter say off the stage? No. My niece, she'll give you an off the stage.
Starting point is 01:06:39 Okay. So yeah, he's Padena. You could get Faro's. Put it in you. No, it's not. That's like such a stretch. That's not good. It's not that much of a stretch.
Starting point is 01:06:47 It's kind of a stretch. Okay. There's no, you can't give us the evolution of how it got there? I don't know how it got there. His two nicknames are Padena and a big P. Big P. It's a good nickname. Big P, yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:26 What's his other one? Shaft? We didn't think about it like that. But no. Okay. And then Faro's is more straightforward. Farina. Faro bieno.
Starting point is 01:07:38 Ferro bieno. It's good. Yeah. You would like Pharaoh. He's, uh, well, you like both of them. Big Pea. Big Pea is a little bit more, uh, like, grumpy. He's old and he just doesn't have time for a lot of things.
Starting point is 01:07:54 He's, he's the guard dog. Limp pee. No, I would not say that. But Pharaoh is like, Pharaoh's like, uh, his tail wag so much that he's, his, like, tail is, like, really strong. Like, if it hits you, it will hurt. Like, not to, I can't make this. I can't say this now because your head is already in the gutter.
Starting point is 01:08:15 But yeah, you would like Pharaoh. Faro viny. And this is outrageous. Big P. I don't think if his name was Big D, it would be weird. I mean, it's not that much different. No, it is different. Is it?
Starting point is 01:08:33 Maybe it's not. Musa with its super chat says, Big P. Energy. Big P. Energy. Yeah. Wow. was very helpful. Starting to like dogs even more. All right.
Starting point is 01:08:54 That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.I. Eagles podcast. The big PHLY Eagles podcast. We will be with you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. The big one. This is going to be a long one. Settle in. Big game preview.
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