PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Jeffrey Lurie inks Nick Sirianni to long-term extension: OUR unhinged culture-builder here to stay

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

The least you deserve for winning the Super Bowl as head coach is a hefty, fat stack of cash and the promise of guaranteed employment as head coach. Nick Sirianni’s record as head coach is one of the best in football history, so it’s only right that Jeffrey Lurie signed Sirianni to a long-term extension Monday. Zach Berman knows Sirianni as well as any reporter and explains why the lightning rod has such sway in the building and why he’s been as effective as he has. Join Berman and Bo Wulf as they reflect on four years of Sirianni as head coach and what comes next. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

for the P.H.L.I. Eagles podcast on a beautiful Monday, Bo-Wolf, Zach Berman in studio, and an aty-tipically newsy Monday for the Philadelphia Eagles in late May. How you doing, Zach? Doing well, excited for the show. You're right. We had a whole different show plan today. He was doing prep work and it was going to be very nudity-heavy. It was not going to be nudity-heavy. We're going to have to take that back and postpone that episode. Well, if it's the nudity-heavy one, it will never happen. But this was good. This was going to be a fun one about the roster. This is much better. I love a good newsy Monday.

All right. Not a nudie Monday, a newsy Monday. And the news is that Nick Siriani signed to a long-term extension with the Philadelphia Eagles. We are going to talk about that from all angles on this episode. But before we do that, there's another piece of news that we should talk about, Zach, a new edition from an old edition to the front office. Yeah, well said. So Joe Douglas. I mean, I could have said it better.

Former Jets general manager who was with Eagles from 2016 to 2009. I believe, or 2016, 2018, through the 18 season left at 19. He is returning to the organization. It's from what I hear, it's a senior scouting role, senior executive role. Don't have the exact terminology yet. We're expecting a handful of changes in the front office. We've already seen two people. Exactly.

So, but Joe Douglas is someone who is respected in the building was a big part of putting the 2017 Super Bowl team together. goes on to the Jets had a mixed time there. I mean, did not end well. Yeah, I mean, I think you could say it didn't go very well. No, it did not go well, mainly because, well, mostly because of the quarterback situation, right? Drafts Zach Wilson number two doesn't work out.

Signs Aaron Rogers doesn't work out. Made some good draft picks in there and built a team that was solid, but was certainly not what he was brought there to do. So he comes back to, the Eagles and provides a senior voice under Howie Roseman. And how he likes to have usually somebody in the front office who has that level of experience. I wonder if Dave Caldwell who's in the Eagles front office is going to go elsewhere?

I think that's possible. Yeah, well, that's like the Dave Caldwell role, right? He has Dave Caldwell, Matt Russell. Dave Caldwell is a former GM. And so I am curious how this all shakes out. If it's, you know, I heard people speculating the Anthony Patch thing. I don't anticipate that I think Nick's kind of graduated. I'm sorry, Joe has kind of graduated beyond that role.

But we'll see what it is. My guess is it's kind of overseeing, adding, or adding a senior voice and not necessarily like, you know, running the show per se. Your understanding of how he and Howie worked together when Joe was here. Yeah, he was important for Howie. He identified him at, you know, he was, he came up with the Ravens. was with the Bears for a year or two. Howie tried hiring a few times.

Finally he brings him in, he was Howie's number two. The Eagles went so far as to adopt his scouting, his grading system, right? He really ran the scouting staff. Now, the roles have kind of morphed since then, but yeah, it has changed quite a bit. All right, I have a trivia question for you. Yes. Two can you name, Zach Berman, the six players on the Eagles' current roster, who were acquired or drafted at some point in their careers

by a team run by Joe, or by a team that Joe Douglas was working for. So the six players that were acquired by a team that Joe Douglas was working for. Okay. So Dallas Goddard. Correct. I know that. Matt Pryor.

I know that. Correct. So we nailed that class. The 2017 draft class Eagles don't have any players remaining from that group. Although you have a sly smile on your face. That's true. They have undrafted players from that group. No.

So let's look at the Jets. He, so he, he acquired Reddick. Let me see here. I need to go through the Dept Shard. This is, this probably isn't good podcasting.

Oh. What? The mouse. Oh. Jeez. That's the first time I've seen the mouse in the flesh. Yeah. It's good.

It's now. Except when the exciting mics are here. No, this is not good. It means they're getting more bold. No, but I'm saying... The office is full and there's a mouse just running around. Yeah, but as everyone saw last week, we have Reblank Chip and Cooper the Gene film their show here. Yeah.

So you don't want that running across when the exciting mics are on, right? Well, the exciting mice might be interested. True. So I, for the sake of time, I pulled up the depth chart here. At least there's just one this time. And... Ugh. Disgusting.

This is a good question. So no running backs. Okay. Among the... I'll tell you you you're missing a member of the 2018 draft class. Oh, my lotta. Yes. So yeah, of course, yes.

Mylada. And then, sorry, we got a text a few minutes ago that was distracting me, as you know. Well, Bryce Hall. Bryce Huff. I'm sorry, Bryce Huff. You are distracted. I am distracted. Sorry.

Bryce Dallas Howard. Rice Hoff. And, yeah, help me out for the rest here. Well, they're both specialists. Okay, Jake Elliott. Yes. And Braden Mann was drafted by the Jets. There you go.

Beautiful. What a great trivia question. There you go. Well done. All right. You like Joe? Are you more distracted by the text you just got or the mouse? Oh, the text I just got.

The mice doesn't distract me. But the text is not, I mean, you saw the information. and that's all you need to know. Well, I was processing the schedule in my mind. Okay. Right? So we're going to be having a chance to have we talk to some players here in the next few days. And so I was processing the schedule in my mind.

But now that I've done that, no, the mice do not distract me whatsoever. Whatsoever? Whatsoever? I don't believe you. What can I do about the mice right now? Yeah, but if the mouse came into the studio, you would just go about your show? he would not react in any way. Well, if the mouse was crawling on my, on the desk, then sure, that would distract me.

Well, how about just under the door there? Wouldn't distract me. I don't believe you. You're lying. I am not lying. If I felt it, you are lying. You are easily distracted. I think a mouse in here would definitely distract you.

I, okay. For the sake of conversation, sure, the mouse would distract me. The head coach is staying with Eagles. But I'm curious. Your thoughts on Joe Douglas? Yeah, this is a classic Cali Roseman thing to do. First of all, the familiarity. Second of all, yeah, bringing in somebody who's been around the league

and has made these kinds of high-power decisions, who's scouting eye, he already knows. Makes total sense. Yeah, Joe, when Eagles brought him in in 2017, Jeffrey, the word said that all season, it was the most significant addition that they made. So, or the 2016 off-season, that is. Yes.

Had a chance to spend a good amount of time, with Joe when he was here did a big feature on him spoke to him quite a bit respect his football mind respecting his acting chops do you know he was in the replacements that's right I forgot about that yeah so the scene where Shane Falco

Shiver Shane gets his car flipped over one of the people flipping over the car was a young Joe Douglas he had just graduated from Richmond he was getting involved in the Raven Scouting staff that film it was the Washington was it the Sentinel Very, very hoity-toity to call it a film.

That movie. I was trying to appeal to your proclivities. So that movie was filmed at M&T Bank Stadium, even though it was technically a Washington team. And so he was young scout at the time. You know, I think that you make like under $20,000 and work over 60 hours a week. It's like there 60-20 club or something like that. and he was looking for a few extra dollars on the side and acted,

and I still think he might get some residuals on that now. You know, it's probably a few cents. And you can confirm that it's Joe Douglas and not Douglas Joe. A hundred percent, yes. Got it. Okay. Let's talk about Nick Siriani. Yes.

What did you make of the top line news that the Eagles announced that Jeffrey Lurie has signed Nick Siriani to a multi-year experience? Very vague. Yeah, they don't want to give a time on here because they don't want you to know when that contract's expiring. It's really annoying. The discrepancy between the

the knowledge that everybody in the football public has about player salaries versus front office and coaches. It's really unfair. I mean, I don't want to get into labor relations with you. Let's do it. But it's because there's a player's union

that's collectively bargained. So that is why that's out there. I agree like on an ethical or just on a human scale. Yeah. Yeah. But like it's very understandable why that is because there's there's no union that that you're negotiated. That's that's that's why there's no salary cap for coaches.

So yeah, the only reason why all the stuff is out there is because there is a players association. Okay. What was your reaction when you found out the news? One, not surprised. I got to tweet this. Yeah, I did think that. One, not surprised, of course.

Sure. Two, well deserved. Absolutely. And three, without knowing, like you said, what the finances are, where it stacks up with the top coaches in the league, should be viewed as validation form. I don't think it means, like, Nick Seriani is the coach year for the next decade. You know, if something were to happen and the Eagles want to. wanted to move off of Nick Siriani, they could. But the point is, this is a merited contract extension.

He was someone who, there was no, there was no reason why someone who has been to the playoffs all four years, he's, he has, has coached, he won a Super Bowl. He's been to another Super Bowl, double-digit wins three years in a row. The job he did last year was nothing short of outstanding. So he wasn't going to be a lame duck coach, and he deserves to be. to be considered among the top coaches in the league. The credentials are there right now, and so the reputation should follow as well.

Yeah, it's funny the way that coaches contract work, in addition to the public nature of it, it's opposite from players because you're not really getting paid for future performance. You are getting rewarded for past performance with these kinds of deals, right? And certainly he deserves it. He just won the Super Bowl.

I have a lot of questions for you. First of all, in terms of, you remember when the Eagles won the Super Bowl in 2017? Vaguely, yeah, yeah, I'm familiar with it. I read a book about it once. Yes, thank you. Howie and Doug were both extended. Yes. What is your sense of Howie's timeline here?

Is it paired with Knicks? Well, I think Howie received a contract extension before Nick, D. Okay. The one that the Eagles tried to keep. That hasn't been publicly required. Yeah, the Eagles, yeah, wanted to make sure it wasn't out there. Okay. is my sense.

Jeffrey Lurie intimated as much at the owner's meetings. Who do you think makes more money? I don't know. Not as a pocket check, but as a display of who has the power. I mean, it's different because you're paying relative to everybody else in the league at those things.

I would imagine that Howard Roseman makes more money than Nick Sirion. I know the coaches market pays better than the GM market. I know that Howie is. Because Thomas Demetrov has let us know. Yeah. But I would imagine that how he's at the top of the GM market. Right. I don't know if Nick is at the top of the head coaching market.

And whether and money aside, we know what the power dynamic is there. Yeah, but I need to imagine that there is a major correction in where Nick ranks among coaches right now with this deal. Well, I mean, this is like the zeitgeist conversation at the moment. but it's this part of the NFL calendar where people are ranking NFL head coaches. I think Mina Kimes and Kevin Clark had him at 9th. And I haven't listened to the NFL Daily episode yet with Greg Rosenthal, but they said they had him at 15th. At 15th, which is preposterous to me.

That is low. That is even I think that is way too low. Yeah. Like, I mean, call me a Homer if you want right now. What more does Nick Seriani need to do to be ranked above Dan Quinn? 15th is wide. Or to be ranked above, to be ranked above. to be ranked above D'Amico Rhyans

or to be ranked above Kevin O'Connell. Like, I mean, Nick Siriani's, he's been to the Super Bowl twice in four years. So I'm not quite sure what more Nick needs to do. One thing that I... There are separate conversations, right? One is that if you are parsing Nick Siriani's impact on what makes the Eagles so good,

it's probably fair to say that he's not the most important person in the building. I think actually that'll be a fun conversation to have later in this episode. But he is, I mean, he is obviously the right coach for this team. And again, he might not be the right coach for every team. But he is, you know, we can't just put his wins and loss record out there and say that that's the final, the BL end all. But it is the third best record in, you know, since the merger of any head coach.

Yeah. Behind John Madden and George Allen. And more importantly, we've talked about it. they have overperformed their preseason win loss, you know, their Vegas prediction all four years. Like, so it's not, it's not just that he inherited this great roster and has nothing to do.

They're outperforming it every single year. You're absolutely right. And it's something we've discussed on air. We've discussed off air. It's something that, to be candid, I've discussed with Nick Siriani before, is there's this idea that, that I think people have

of what a head coach is supposed to look like. and sound like and act like. And Nick does not fit within the, that prototype or those confines. But how you're judged is, like, he just, he wins. And he did not win enough two years ago. And that's why there was talk of him being replaced. He, every other year, he outperformed any reasonable expectations.

Like three or four years, he outperformed expectations. and the one year that he fell short of expectations, they won 11 games. Yeah, they still, they still, it was a preseason 10 and a half. Exactly. So he's, he's done this now with multiple defensive coordinators, multiple offensive coordinators, he's managed to work.

It's a true, so many different things are true at the same time. Yeah. With this, because we talked about it on the show with Anthony, on the scheduled release show. I think Nick Searani was close to. to being fired in the middle of last season after that Brown's game. The histrionics on the sideline,

I don't think Jeffrey Lurie cared for that, and the team did not look like it was ready to contribute, ready to be what it was. He deserves all the credit in the world for turning it around, and he did a fantastic job, but it is remarkable to think about how far we came from last offseason

when he was almost fired and almost replaced by Bill Belichick to the beginning of the season when I think he was on the brink of potentially being fired again, to then winning the Super Bowl, and getting rewarded. And you think about just the human element of it.

We talked to him during the season about, you know, when things were bad last year. And, you know, he's getting called out for bringing his kids up in the postgame press conference. Like how tough that must have been for the family to like be in the Philadelphia spotlight like that for them to, for the family to get to know that, okay, we're locked up, you know, we're celebrated now.

Like that's a wonderful thing for them. Absolutely. Like he earned this contract extension. It's history, you know, he wrote his history. I agree with you. If Dallas Goddard doesn't convert that third and long against the Saints, and there are one and three going in his play of his career. It might be the biggest play of Nick's career, right?

If there were one and three going into the buy week, I don't know what happens there. That was a team that had legitimate Super Bowl expectations. And we outlined it before the season. And like this, if Nick is watching right now, Noviour, he knows what the conversation was going into the season because we had these conversations with him going into the season. He knows he had to win last year. And if they were one in three at the buy week, I'm curious what would have happened. The reality is after the buy, they won

10 consecutive games. They were, as Jeffrey Lurie said, in March, one of the best teams in NFL history and Nick, like they didn't win despite Nick. They won with Nick. Nick, Nick, I had a conversation on, on Philly Special with Chil Capati back in August. And Sheel was saying that, you know, how do I know that my evaluation of Nick isn't colored by like the, him being a nice guy or me liking him? And I said, but that's part of what makes Nick a successful coach. Like, you mentioned Howie Roseman. A big dynamic of being the head coach with the Philadelphia Eagles is being able to work with Howie Roseman. Nick can do that. A big part of being able to be the quarterback, I'm sorry, being the head coach with Jaylon Hertz is working with, you know,

is finding a way to work with your franchise quarterback. That hasn't always, you know, Nick found, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick found that rhythm this year. He found the rhythm with the coaching staff. He took on, you know, Vic Fangio, Jeff Stoutland. We had that conversation on, on Friday. I've seen a lot of coaches in professional sports and professional football in particular be a detriment to their team because of their own hubris.

And Nick finds a way to connect with people at all parts of the building, certainly all parts of the locker room, the front office. And that goes into being a head coach, maybe not the same, but similarly, to knowing what to call on 3rd and 8.

What you bring up about his lack of hubris is, I think what is his superpower. And it's not, to say like a full lack of hubris is probably not exactly right because this is a guy who cares very much about, like getting the credit, and you see the way that he acts on the sideline and, you know, calling out Elliot

after they beat the chiefs. Like, he cares to be viewed as a good coach, which he deserves to be. But his self-awareness in terms of what his, strengths are, I think is very rare among NFL coaches. His willingness to take a back seat from scouting to let Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie set up the coaching staff in some way. He's going to coach the coaches hard. That's one thing you hear about him is he's very difficult on the coaches, but he's not the one who went out and got Kellan Moore and Vic Fangio. I mean, he interviewed those

guys. And he does deserve a lot of credit for flipping the staff from having success with the staff that was flipped to the staff they had last year. But, you know, giving up the play calling his first year. Moving on from Brian Johnson and Sean Desai, taking his hands off the offense a little bit. Like his willingness to take a back seat is something that I think is rare among NFL head coaches and is a big part of why they were successful last year.

You're absolutely right. Because that is, that's part of his job description. and every market, every franchise, the role is unique to that franchise. We have seen it. You know, I'm going into year 14 covering the team. You've been around this team now for 16 of the last 18 years. It doesn't always work as harmonious as now.

It's easy to be harmonious when you win. But Nick has been a bridge between different parts of the locker room, between different factions, between different constituencies. He's, yeah, that's part of, to use your term, his superpower, I think, is that, that willingness to do that, is the exception, accepting being a part of it. You know, there's, there's one small anecdote. This is going to be in the book coming out. I don't think I've shared this on the show.

It's Leapier. The book's called Leapier comes out September 23rd. What's it about? It's about the Super Bowl. And Nick's a big part of the book. But it's a little nugget in the book. I'll share it on the show. Okay.

I asked Nick why he didn't speak after the Super Bowl. Because you got to think. You just want the Super Bowl. Here's your chance to give that epic speech. There was no time to speak. They were already partying in there. Yeah. That's part of what he said.

He said he got in there. And he said he saw how much fun they were having. he said nothing he said nothing left there was nothing left to be said at that point and he said part of being a coach is knowing is knowing when to talk

and when not to talk and if you want to kind of play amateur psychologist here there's a lot of people I think who would make that moment about them and Nick did not make that moment about him and I think that speaks a lot to what makes Nick a good coach

and then we got to see him celebrate at the team party later that night. You're an amazing calm. And you see like, you know, what the unburdening of that must have been like for him. And listen, some of the self-awareness that were giving him credit for

was forced it upon him. Like, you know, he was chastened into taking a backseat on offense last off season at Jeff Hillary's behest. But that's a skill too. Like taking harsh feedback. You're absolutely right. Is a skill. And he was able to handle that.

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We love our friends at True Mark. Okay. Let's do it. Now, do you want to do this as head coach for the Eagles or head coach for team unnamed? Good question. Because it's a huge difference. Yeah, probably, I know, what do you think? Because some of these coaches, I don't know if they would survive in this environment with the role that Howie, you know, with Howie having such a big role with maybe what this media market is.

There's, it's a good question. I guess maybe we sort of split the difference. You're just ranking the head coaches. So if you had a head coach draft, which is essentially what Greg Rosenthal had. where you, yeah, because the reality is this. Some of these head coaches, you're like, give me this guy and I'll move, I'll change other things to make sure I have them in my building. Right.

It depends on the structure of your organization and probably your roster as well. But let's figure it out. Okay. Okay. Let's start in the NFC East. Okay. Dan Quinn. No.

And I like Washington. I like Dan Quinn, but no. You were famously high on that coaching staff. Yes. You were ahead of the game there. Yeah. It's off season. Brian Schottenheimer.

Definitely not. Brian Daibol. Definitely not. Okay. So I like this better. This is a would you rather? Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. It's a better way of doing it. Dan Campbell. The thing with Dan Campbell, Dan Campbell is a very similar archetype of coach to Nick Siriani. This is not someone who is in charge of either side of the ball. This is a motivator first and foremost. Culture guy.

He's a culture guy, a culture builder. He's a little, I mean, they're both a little bit unhinged in a good way. The difference, the difference with Dan Campbell is that he has a little bit more courage to his convictions in terms of game management than Nick Siriani does. But Nick Siriani obviously has a much better track record. Yeah. I'm going Nick Siriani.

Yeah, I think most people would go Dan Campbell. Sure. I could be convinced to go Dan Campbell. But because they are so similar, I don't think you're wrong to go Nick Siriani. I do want my coach to be more aggressive on. in game management. And that is one issue I have had with Nick in the past. Yeah.

And that there's no consistency often. He's got a better roster. But I think this is very up in the air. And I think most people would say it's not. Nick's never lost a home playoff game, right? I mean, Nick, now, the Eagles had more than the Lions did. But Nick... The arc of the Lions success is more improbable.

Sure. But similarly to, it's interesting how he gets all the credit here, but Brad Holmes doesn't get as much of the credit in Detroit. I think Brad Holmes has done a terrific job building that roster. I mean, that roster is loaded. I'm going Nick over Dan Campbell. All right.

So I'm going to say, I think reasonable minds could disagree there. So we'll have two rankings. We'll have the Zach ranking, and then like what I think is a reasonable one. But the bow ranking, yeah. I don't know. I guess I would take Campbell, but I don't feel great about it.

I think it's okay. Now, Kevin O'Connell, who as far as the national media is concerned, might as well be Vince Lombardi. So I'm really impressed with Kevin, with that Kevin O'Connell. Part of what impresses me with Kevin O'Connell is he's done it with different quarterbacks, right? So it shows that he's, you know, it's part of what we said makes Howie such a good GM, is that a lot of these multiple Super Bowl winning GMs, they've had the same quarterback, the same coach, like how he's done it in a blue,

different versions. Kevin O'Connell has done it with different versions here. But again, not to be a rings guy, but postseason matters too. And Nick's had more success. Like, Knicks won tough playoff games. Again, Nick's never lost that home in the playoffs. He's tall and he has a chiseled jaw. Well, there is a, you know, a big thing in presidential politics about like how, how we go. No, how height is something that, like, height really matters when people have this idea of what a leader's supposed to be like. And so, you know, a tall, a tall candidate. I was short-sighted, though, of the general public because that just means the guy's going to die sooner.

Well, no, because it really came into effect more since the advent of television. There was a period of time where people didn't see their leaders, right? And so, but no, yeah, Kevin O'Connell might fit within that prototype of being a head coach. Now, he's also had tremendous success. I don't think it's just, it's just that. But I, Nick's won in the postseason. So you take Nick? I'm taking Nick.

I'm going to take Nick too. Okay. Okay, Matt Lafleur. I'm taking Nick. I know this is one. You probably go Lafleur. I can see you'll be going to Flour guy. I think I would probably go LaFleur, but not strongly.

Okay. A little bit too manicure. The facial hair. You don't like the manicured facial hair? Too manicured, yeah. I mean, either be Jason Peters will just perfection or just, you know,

let it be a little rough around the edges. Okay. That did not factor into my evaluation, but okay. It should have. Ben Johnson. That's why there's two hosts on the show, right? Or a co-host and a host, I should say. Ben Johnson.

Nick Siriani, definitely, over Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson hasn't won a game yet. I agree. Okay. Todd Bowles from last year. Yeah. I like Todd. I was talking to, actually, I was talking to someone this weekend about Michael Kendricks.

Had some good Michael Kendrick stories for me. Okay. But Nick Serian. Who were you talking to? Eric Kendricks? No. No. I was talking to a barber who knew Michael Kendricks.

Oh. Yes. Did he get stock advice? Stock advice from Black? No, no, no, he did not. Okay. Yes. Okay.

Who's the falcons head coach? Rahim Morris. I'm going Nick over Raheem Morris. Yeah. You can't find a way to maximize Kyle Pitts. Dave Canales. Nick Siriani. Kellan Moore.

Nick Siriani. Sean McVeigh. Sean McVe. Yeah. I mean, Sean McVeigh, A, he's won a Super Bowl, right? he's reinvented his his team i think he has a real good command in the locker room he has a real good command on the sideline uh so i'm giving me sean McVadee edge here Kyle shanahan this is a tough one here uh i think i like shanahan more than you do you do

um but i'm going next year he loves to get his players injured you're going seriani over shanahan yeah you know which surprises that one i didn't think was coming no I don't think Kyle Shannon loves to get his players injured. He does. He has a kink for it. It's like it's like Howie with former first round picks. I don't think he has a kink for it. He does.

Then he gets to prove that he's overcoming. It's a whole sick. But this is my point here. This is why I hesitated and I went with Siriani. Kyle Shannon in hand has had loaded rosters too. So you can't hold McSyriani's roster against him. And then like, you know, now. That's true.

Now, Kyle Shanahan took the last pick in the draft and made him into a $250 million. The difference is Kyle Shanahan is also architecting the offense. Sure. That is true. Like that matters. But Kyle Shanahan, as you pointed out to me, has an alarming number of losing seasons.

Yeah. That's a day-n-n-is. That's a day-niz. Yeah. So I really like Kyle Shanahan. I think he's one of the best coaches in the league. But I've seen enough from Nick Siriani to go with Nick. He's also a coward in game management.

Okay. Jonathan Gannon. You go Gannon. I'm not going, Jonathan Gannon. I'm going to Nick Siriani. I saw Jonathan Gannon at, well, I didn't see him personally. Our PHNX crew. Okay.

Our PHNX crew did a great job at Kyler Murray's softball tournament. And Jonathan Gannon was there, and Jonathan Gannon agreed to do the interview. I got to tell you, Nick Siriani, Jason Kidd right now is in the DLLOS studios. Jonathan Gannon basically hangs out with the PHNX crew all the time. Like, let's get you. Especially if you're going to rank him like the second best head coach in football. Well, we're not finished, but yeah. Yeah, I'd go to Nick Siriani over Jonathan Gannon.

Mike McDonald. Nick Siriani. Sean McDermott. Oh, this is a good one here. I'm probably going to McDermott. McDermott's had more sustained success. Really? Yeah.

Although, no, Nick Sturman. I'm surprised you go you go McDermott over Shanahan. Good for you. That's a little bit outside group thing. I appreciate that. Yeah, McDermott. You can go McDermott. I mean, McDermott's track record is awesome.

I'm looking at this here, like 13 and 4, 11 and 6, 13 and 3, 11 and 6, 13 and 3. So you're just counting wins. He's had the miss four, like, he's lost to Kansas City four or five times in the playoffs. That's the, that's the challenging thing. Like, you know, I mean, my number one's going to be Andy Reid. Yeah, my number one is one-in-one against the Chiefs in the playoffs. Yeah, my number one's going to be Andy Reid. I think Sean McDermott's a really good coach.

This is a tough one here. I would really need to think about it. But that, look, to be a head coach for nine years and have double-digit wins in, you know, six of those seasons, 13 wins three times, although Nick's done it twice and four years. years. Yeah, you know what? This is a push. This is a... You can't do a push. You can't do a push. You got to pick one. All right. I'll go Nick here.

You'll go Nick? Yeah. Wow. Look, I'm going with the, I'm going with the Super Bowl here. Okay. But it is, I do think of Sean McDermott was in the NFC, he would have been coaching in Super Bowls by now, multiple. Depends on who his quarterback is. If there was like realignment and you put the bills in the NFC, he's had, he's had the misfortune. So how, yeah, but a lot of your ranking seems to be also connected to the quarterback. To a certain, no, yeah, to a certain extent.

Okay. Well, a guy like Sean McDermott, first off, he made the postseason in 2017 without Josh Han. Sure. Okay. Mike McDaniels. Nick Siriani. Mike Vrabble. Nick Siriani.

Aaron Glenn. By the way, I saw a stat that the Patriots are favored in. like 12 of 17 games this year. Am I missing something on the Patriots? No. Okay, thank you. Aaron Glenn, Nixiriani. Mike Tomlin.

Oof. This is hard. You know, I'm a Mike T guy. The standard is the standard. But the standard hasn't reached the standard in recent years. And if the standard simply having a winning record, that's not enough. You know, I, man, but Mike Tomlin.

Mike Tomlin is a good coach. This is where if I was on, who wants to be a millionaire. You do the phone, you do the S of the audience, right? I'm going, Mike Tomlin. Okay. John Harbaugh.

I'm definitely John Harbaugh here. Okay. Kevin Stefansky. Nick Siriani. Zach Taylor. Nick Siriani. Domeco Ryan's. Nick Siriani.

Although you know I... Yeah. I love D'Amico. Yeah. I can't possibly get there. with Damiko over and over Nick. When the Eagles interviewed Siriani, I said, why aren't they talking to Damico Ryan's? I was counting the table for that.

I mean, I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Shane Steichen. Nick Seriani, of course. He really paused on that. I know, I got a text from somebody. Brian Callahan. Nick Siriani.

What's the guy with the Jags now? The guy with the Jags now, Liam Cohen? With the dumb face. Liam. He's the what face? Dumb face. What makes his face? dumb.

Well, it looks dumb. That's what they're done. Duvall. Gosh, you. I don't know if he has a dumb face. I'm going to Nick Siriani here. Andy Reid. Andy Reid, for sure.

Jim Harbaugh. I'm going Jim Harbaugh. Really? Yeah. I mean, I factor in what he did with the Niners. I factor in, obviously, what he did in his first year at the Chargers. I think Jim Harbaugh's an outstanding football coach. I'm going Jim Harbaugh.

Sean Payton. I'm going next to Sierra. right now and that's that that might surprise people Sean Peyton was awesome with the with the Saints I mean I yeah if you ask me right now I think if Sean Peyton's your coach

you're buying into the whole Sean Payton experience too right? Yeah this is one where you know if you're some loser franchise starting from scratch you probably would rather bring in Sean Payton I think for the Eagles you would not bring in Sean Payton our last one Pete Carroll

I'm going Nick Seriani here Okay. So you have Nick Siriani as the sixth best head coach in the NFL. Yes. After the Harbaugh brothers, Reed, Tomman, and McVeigh. Yes. And I think the lowest I could get would be 11th, and even that I think is too low. That would be a fees behind McDermott, O'Connell, Shanahan, Campbell, LaFleur, and Peyton.

You could get there. But to go any lower than that, I think is kind of wild. Agreed. I don't think Nick gets the credit he deserves. because I think that there is a, you know, there is a bias about how coaches are supposed to look and talk and act. And Nick is atypical in that regard, but it works for him. I vividly remember, you know, being in the passenger seat of Tom Langworthy's car, driving through Jamestown, New York, and Tom telling me, Tom Langworthy, by the way,

is Nick Siriani's close friend from growing up, okay? That's important to this story. Sorry. And the audience just knows him as Tom. And Tom's like, you know what? Nick's just going to be himself. He knows that he's going to be criticized no matter what. So why not be who he is?

And I think when Nick has tried to not be who he is, it's actually hurt him even more. I think Nick should just lean in. I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. On the other side of this break, we're going to find out where Nick ranks in terms of importance in the Eagles franchise. On the day we celebrate his multi-year extension coming back with more on the PHAI Eagles podcast. Good news for the Siriannis. They can afford a whole bucket full of Papps lights to suck back to celebrate.

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Let's keep on here. This is not just for this year This is moving forward So you're you're thinking about the long term health of the franchise Yeah Would you trade Nick Siriani for Harry Roseman I would rather have Howard Roseman? Yes I mean I've seen

If I'm Jeffrey Lurie I've seen I can win with multiple head coaches I don't know if I if I can necessarily do that with You know yeah so yeah I presume you would keep yourself Yes yeah I enjoy owning the team in this example I'm not sacrificing my myself for the head coach. Is there anyone else in the front office who you would keep over Nick Siriani? No, I mean, Dom's really good at his job, but. Oh, I would bet that Jeffrey

would keep Dom over Nick, don't you think? Maybe there's so much that Dom knows that you need to, just from like, like you want Dom on your good side, not on your bad side, right? So maybe Dom here. Okay, Dom. All right. We'll let that cover the the front office. Yes. Jalen Hertz. Yeah, I think it's harder to find a quarterback that is than a head coach. Now, that said, the difference here is that a quarterback works within the confine

of a salary cap. So you're not just looking at Jalen Hertz. You're looking at Jalen Hertz. Now, with these recent contracts, by the way, he's not even one of the top 10 highest paid quarterbacks in the league anymore. I am curious if at some point the next like 12 to 18 months, Jalen's going to be like, wait, let's try to correct this. But just kind of on the surface,

I think that if you have a Super Bowl winning quarterback, that's harder to find than a Super Bowl winning coach. AJ Brown. I think that the A.J. Brown is such a good player and so valuable that if there was a thing where, I mean, I'm something, you can get a lot for A.J. Brown, right? So you could, you're not just cutting A.J. Brown tomorrow. But in this example, one of the, I would rather,

Jay Brown. It's harder to find, look. It's harder to replace. Yeah. I don't know what Nick Seriani is getting paid, but it's less than AJ Brown. It's less than what AJ Brown is getting paid. And that because, you know, whether you're a wide receiver, a football coach, or a podcaster, right? You get paid by how replaceable you are, right? It's, it's easier to find a podcast host than it is a wide receiver. And that's why wide receivers get more than podcast hosts. But it's a slippery slope here because there are players who are higher paid than Siriani, who I don't think that you will have over him.

Sure. Or that are not as good at doing a podcast as you are either. Okay. Devante Smith. Yeah, I'd probably still go Devante. Okay. Yep. I'm a player's guy.

You know that. Okay. Jordan Milata. I believe players win. Yeah, Jordan Milada. I'm going Jordan Mila. How about Sequin Barclay? No, I'm going next to Siriani over, over Saekw on here.

I think I agree with you. Yeah. I think if. Just a shorter shelf length. Exactly. And as outstanding as Saquan is, I think if you got 75% of Sequin's production, you'd be a,

now, maybe if you got 75% of the head coach Nick is, you'd still maybe win a Super Bowl. But yeah, it is a shorter shelf life. Like the proof of concept with Nick will work longer than the proof of concept with Seekwon. How about Landon Dickerson?

I'm going Nick Seriani. Just because he's a guard? Yeah. A young building block. True. You know? That's true. Yeah.

You know what? I have to be consistent. Let's go with Landon here. You would go Landon? I think I would go Nick over Landon. All right. So I'm going back to Nick. Okay.

Cam Jurgis. Nick. Lane Johnson. Now, the age thing factors into this too, but I'm still going Lane. Interesting. Yeah. I might go Nick there. Okay.

Just because of the age. E.J. Jenkins. Dick Siriani. Jalen Carter. John Carter Yes Jordan Davis Nick Siriani

Nolan Smith Nick Siriani Jelix Hunt Nick Siriani Zach Bong Nick Siriani Really Yes

Jihad Campbell Nick Siriani Quinyon Mitchell Nick Siriani Really? Yes Hubertijin Nick Siriani

Really Yeah Interesting And I think that's it Okay I mean read Blankenship And Nick Siriani Yeah

My son will be devastated So you have Like just my You have Nick As one two Three four five six seven eight The ninth or tenth Depending on

Lennon Dickerson Most important person In the organization Although no Because we did this game last Friday I hope everyone Watched overtime last Friday Where I said Jeff

Yeah He went Jeff Soutland So based on I need to be consistent And how about I said it's harder to Yeah The organization's shown

It's been harder to replace Stalin And how about Vic Fangio I'm more on I'm team Nick over Team Vic. Okay. Okay. So you got him 10th? Yes.

That's why the league-wide rankings of, I would imagine, you know, Andy Reid is going to be behind only Patrick Mahomes. Sure. Right? Yeah. That's fair. Mike Tom and the roster is so bad. He's probably ahead of everybody. Sure.

Maybe T.J. Watt. Sean McVeigh, probably ahead of everybody. Everybody on the roster. Yep. Kyle Shanahan, maybe ahead of everybody on the roster. You think so? Wow. I mean, maybe.

The way that they've been things. Right. That's true. John Harbaugh is behind Lamar. The one thing I'll say about Kyle Shanahan is when Christian McCaffrey wasn't as good, Kyle Shanahan wasn't as good. I agree with you. Yeah.

But the way that those things are operated. Sure. You know? Yeah. Lamar Jackson, you would do that. I would say Kyle Hamilton, but. Yeah. But Harbaugh is awesome.

Jim Harbaugh is awesome. Oh, I'm sorry. John Harbaugh is awesome. So that's an interesting way to think about it. that. What do you think is next for Nick Siriani? How do you think this evolves now? He once again has to replace his offensive coordinator at some point. And I mean, as you have said, Vic is not as old as he gets described as, but he might have to replace him one day. How do you feel like the next evolution of Nick Siriani is going to come? Well, good question. So we will talk to Nick

tomorrow, by the way, around 1245. So tomorrow's show, make sure you check that out. We will be we'll have, we'll be hearing from Nick Siriani. I think Janelle and Hertz, maybe some other players. So we'll have some updates from all of them tomorrow. So that's going to be a full show. I mean, I don't think Nick's writing a book. I haven't heard. So that's when Doug Peterson Wanderthesbill, he wrote a book and kind of hurt my book sales a bit.

I say that tongue and cheek. Although that is true. But let me rewind 30 seconds. over as well. I thought that was going to be sold a little more. Are you? I don't know if you're implying that Nick can't write. No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying I think if Nick was writing a book I would have heard by now. Oh, okay.

Yes. Maybe I don't want to speak too soon. Maybe he is writing one. I know he's speaking at a conference at the end of the month, right? Oh, yeah. So, what is next for Nick? Look, Nick has

Nick is clout, man. Nick is Gravitas here. Nick he should have that swagger. I think Nick's major message this offseason is going to be that like this is a new year, right? It's not going to be like, it's not going to be the, this is the new standard type thing. Not to take away from Doug,

but I don't think that worked, the new normal. I think this is going to be, we're back to the same as everybody else, right? Bottom of the mountain. Bottom of the mountain. And you've got to make that climb again. I don't think Nick's going to have to change his defense coordinator anytime soon. I think Vicks here for, you know, Vicks is what, 66 years old,

Vicks here for as long as Vick wants to be, but I think you can expect a few more years. That coaching staff is going to change. I think the real big dynamic for Nick, if I'm being honest with you, is the coach quarterback dynamic is one we're going to have to continue to watch. And I say that because Jalen Hertz is like a superstar

with a capital S right now. Right? He he won Super Bowl MVP. He is Time Magazine's most influential. He's one of the most influential people. Like Jalen Hertz has, I don't want to compare it to

you know, Rick Vaughn and Major League 2. Oh, right? Okay. But I'm saying, but like he is losing his fastball. No, but no, but he's, he's got to. got that Q rating, right? And not to say he didn't before, but Super Bowl MVP brings you to a different stratosphere. And I know I've heard Jaylen's been working and like I think Jalen cares and he's committed

and he, you don't have to worry about that. He's not changing girlfriends like Rick did. No, he's married. He actually, he tied in the, he got married, good for him. Marriage is a wonderful thing. I would tell you on that. I would say the best decision of my life. Yeah. What? But, so I think that, I don't think Nick's going to put his thumb more on the offense more, per se, but he's got his guy in there. We know that. True. I do think they're going to pass the ball more.

I think he'll, he said this. They're going to continue to evolve. He wants to evolve. He thought they were too, you know, stagnant after that last Super Bowl. And I think you'll see a noticeable difference there. but Nick should lean into what makes Nick special. Like I've said this. With our job, you don't really know people truly, right?

We talk about that. But I always think a revealing, something that's fairly revealing is when we do these stories and we call people up, how quickly they call back, who calls back, what they want to talk about, right? And I remember when Nick got hired and I was calling people from all the,

different parts of his coaching career from it's time with the chargers his time with the chiefs his time with um you know indiana university pennsylvania and it was amazing to me like some of the the you know kewin clemens for instance i remember speaking to kewin clemens he was the backup quarterback with the chargers and he didn't know that nick at that time he didn't know nick got hired i think he's like how'd you get my number i just found it and he's like who are you know and i explained it he's like oh man i love nick and the things he was telling me about Nick, there was this, I remember tracking down this wide receiver

named Royale Edwards, okay, who played for Nick at Indiana University of Pennsylvania. And this guy got hurt, Ben injury, and Nick stayed in the hospital with him and had he stayed in and had Royale stay at his house with him at IUP after the injury, because Nick was like watching over him. And they hadn't spoken at that point in like 20,

years. Yeah, he was actually like, you know, can you help me get in touch with him? But he was like, I remember him saying he was just gushing. He's like, the best coach I've ever had, like one of the best people I've ever been around. And I bring this up as a way of saying Nick's ability to connect with the locker room is his superpower. And I think he'll continue to lean into that. And for everything that you could say about Nick, and sometimes this is a detriment, but you can never, ever questioned that he cares. Exactly. And I think for a lot of guys in the locker room,

that goes a long way. You're absolutely right. That's the chapter about Nick Siriani in that book coming out is about just that, is about like the connections that he forms in that locker room. And it was interesting today, like, you know, Darius Slay is not on the Eagles anymore. And Darius says that tweet and it's like,

like, like, deserve best coach. Sean Bradley hasn't played for the Eagles in like two years. And he sees that and he's any, like these are, I mean, Slay was a captain, but like Sean Bradley was a special team's guy, right? Yeah, the notes that he's giving to Isaiah Rogers before the game or talking to Milton Williams about his sick mother. Yes, of course. Things like that. So that's, yeah, yeah, I think that's what makes Nick special.

Okay, well said. We have a few super chats to get to and a few things to talk about from the weekend. And all of that will be coming in overtime. He's back, baby. That was it. had the gusto that we needed. Yes. On a Monday.

All right, super chat from Steve, who says, Zach. Did you mention to Howie about the international long snapper? That did not come up when Hallie and I spoke. But what the hell? Yeah, but I will bring it up to Hallie. This is going to revolutionize the NFL. Maybe I want to keep it in my back pocket in case I'm a GM, although I already said it. What do you think the odds are of that happening?

You know what? If you have a dream. Is that your dream? is that a it's literally been a dream like I've I've dreamt of being the general manager at one point not of like a of a team

I would like that I'm not yeah I would like that interesting yeah you feel like there's a pipeline there for you no I think you know I'm I'm gonna be 40 next year I think uh I respect people who like start from the bottom and work their way up

and like for me I like, you know, to be like an area scout right now and work my way up, it would be a little harder right now. But you never know. You never know. Like, Ned Colletti was a former sports writer. Yeah. Marty Herney.

What do you think is going to be? Marty Hurry was a former sports writer. What's your differentiator? What would make you hireable as a general manager? I'm not giving away the secret right now. The international long snapper? No, I. The Kyle Pitts knowledge?

Honestly, I think it's the, it's, it's, the one needs to collect as much information as possible. Okay. Yeah. Superjet from Brandon. The McDermott defense gave up a touchdown with 13 seconds left. Come on, Zach. Yeah, those weren't his finest 13 seconds, that's for sure.

But I think that... What are what were? I think nine years over, overrides those 13 seconds. Okay. All right. Any other meat left on the bone on Nick Seriani? Well, the good thing is we have a lot of time to talk about next year.

I mean, because it's a multi-year deal. But I've been eagerly away. It's very funny that they've been multi-year deal. But I've had this thing in the back of my mind, the entire show, where you said before we came on, you had something you wanted to say. And I'm like, oh, God, so the whole show I've been thinking about this. It's kind of like, it's like when I asked my father-in-law if I could, if I could marry his daughter.

And, you know, we went, we went fishing. And the entire time we're fishing. Like we're having like a three hour conversation. And I'm just, he hasn't answered you yet? No, I haven't asked him yet. Like I was waiting for like the right time.

And so it's like, you know how you're having a conversation, but in the back of your mind, you're thinking about something else? Like, and that's kind of what the show's been like. I've been doing it. But I'm like,

what is Bo about to say? So I'm eager to eagerly waiting. I see Fran and the chat. And I am curious about it. If, if this was like a, um, uh,

like a tryout or something like that or you were reading for a Hollywood movie or something like that. Or you were reading for a Hollywood movie or something like that. and you and Fran are in the waiting room, both about to interview for GM jobs. How are you going to get the job over Fran? Well, Fran's a fantastic scout. I mean, Fran is amazing. First, I would want to work with Fran, number one.

But I think... Maybe that's your hook is you're going to hire a friend. Yeah, I think the job as I would lean into the parts that I think I can do well, right? Not to say that I can't scout, but I don't think my differentiator would be picking the left guard. I think my differentiator would be identifying the right people to have in the building, collecting all the information,

trying to figure out where the league is going, staying on top of things, building relationships. That's how I would approach it. Okay. You thought that it was interesting. Did you want to talk about the inside baseball of how it was reported? Oh, whoa. Okay.

I'm so weird to find out what you want to say. Yeah, so this is one, this didn't come from Schefter. This didn't come from Garifolo. This didn't come from Rapsheet. This came from the Eagles. This didn't come from McLean. McLean's done a terrific job as well, breaking news. And I say that because I don't think this is one that like the Nick was back channeling.

Although, as you pointed out, there was that report. The day of the Super Bowl. Yeah. About this. I don't think he's above that or his agent is about that. No, but I think this was one where where like they. knew this was going to happen, right? And this was a coordinated thing

from the team and the coach. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. All right, how was your weekend? You're just delaying it now. I had a great weekend, real quality time with family, and was eager for the show

and the shows this week. Okay. Okay. All right. How was your weekend, Bo? Well, it was supposed to be. Good. Oh God.

And there were parts of it that were lovely. Got to see some family. My brother and his wife and their daughter came up from DC. My sister came down from Connecticut. Got to meet the baby for the first time. I had to see my niece getting way bigger. All that stuff was great. Unfortunately, the weekend did turn sour.

Oh, no. On Saturday, on Saturday night. It was not good. It's hard to get your heart broken. It's hard to get your heartbroken, you know, these days. But, like, how would you feel, Zach, if a good friend of yours, who you thought was a good friend of yours? Yeah, I'm trying to think where this is going, okay.

Was having dinner 10 feet behind your house and didn't tell you. How would that make you feel? Well, I would probably understand that there was something going on in my friend's life. that, yeah, like, a friend probably had a reason to be there. You don't have to be included in everything. That's fair. That's understandable. Now, imagine that they were, this is not a person who usually comes into your neighborhood.

Okay. And then after dinner, they're still in the neighborhood and still don't let you know. I need to know the context here. So I'm happy to know it's not me right now because I was worried the whole show was me. Yes. Yes. So Saturday night, you know, we get the, get the kids to bed. We did a little, we did a little, um, a little dance party Saturday night with the kids and my sister having fun. It gets to be about 9 o'clock and, and, you know, the adults have not had a full meal. So we order some, uh, some takeout from a place down the street, literally down the street. What's, what's it called? On my, on my block. I'm not going to tell you the name of the place that would tell people where I live. You'd like to tell them every little detail about me. I'm not going to give them my address. Okay, okay.

Walk down the street, and as I'm approaching the bar, out as if a scene from a movie, like the timing could not have been more on point. I'm walking down, out of this door, comes a bald Indian man, wearing a Birds with Friends t-shirt. Mm-hmm. And there is Shil Kapadia.

That's awesome. Who was he with? Oh, is it awesome? Yeah, who's he with? Is it awesome? Who's he with? He's by himself. He just got, he had dinner.

Okay. By the way, with Sean Syed. These people couldn't let me know. And there's other, I mean, I'm sure there were other people at the dinner. I don't know who they were. I'm sure it was probably Christian Ellis and Dylan McMahon. Okay. people who mean a lot to me.

And he comes to tell me that he was having dinner directly behind my house. He knows where I live. Okay. And you know what? That hurt. This has been an imbalance friendship for a while. I made the point about the movie recommendations. He doesn't give me credit.

I know him better than anybody. Okay. So that hurt. But you know what? I'm a big boy. I can get over it. So it wasn't a date night. Okay.

Because I would understand. No. He's there with a friend. It was there with a friend. Yes. All right. So that's different context. Let me know.

You know, you could have sent a text. Like, I know, it's unlikely. I don't know what you got going on. But if you want to stop by for a drink, I'm going to be in your neighborhood. I think that would have been an appropriate thing to do, not even a full invite to dinner. I think that would have been fine. But the real, the thing that really sticks in my cross. You know, it's one thing for him to treat me that way.

For him to treat Rachel that way. I mean, you know. less than a month removed from having a baby for him to thumb his nose at my wife like that and not let her know that he's coming into town to, you know, could check on her, say hello. Like he sees me, he doesn't see her.

Yeah. I mean, Rachel took it hard. The look on her face when she found out, I don't know that she's ever going to get over it. Did you say on Friday show that your brother was coming into town? I don't know.

And then we, we, we talk so much. I, I don't know if it was off camera or on camera. Perhaps he didn't want to bother you. I promise you that that was, that was not on his mind. Okay. Okay. Because. Like a thief caught red-handed.

Because it's interesting. So, because, because, because there will be times when I'm traveling somewhere. And Emily's like, why don't you go see so-and-so's baby? And I was like, they don't want to see me right now. Like, they're, you know, they're in the throes of this thing. Like, so I'll send the text, like, thinking of you, that kind of thing. Of course. Of course you want to see people.

Okay. Yeah, I mean. How about an offer? Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. That's fair. Okay. But Sean Syed is not local.

So maybe him and Sean were seeing each other for the first time in a while. All the more reason. It changes the dynamic. Maybe it was a business dinner. Again, it would have been nice to be invited to dinner. I don't need to be invited to dinner. Okay. I mean, you're in my neighborhood.

Yeah, just the text. How about just a, hey, by the way, I'm going to be here. That's fair. If you're able to stop by. That's fair. Especially post dinner. I mean. That's fair.

Yeah, you want grab a drink? I know you're. He's not in my neighborhood ever. That's fair. All right. I see that. Yeah, I think a text in that situation would be just say, I know you're busy. You know, I got a 20 minute window here if you want to go grab a drink at the corner pub.

Yeah. Absolutely. All right. That's sufficient. Did you confront him about it? What's that? Did you confront him about it? Oh, yeah.

What was his excuse? We had words. Did he have an excuse? He had some excuses that didn't pass muster. His excuses explained why I wasn't invited to dinner. Okay. Not why I was not made aware that he would be in the neighborhood. No excuse.

I mean, do I have to write him off entirely? Definitely not write him off. I feel like this is war. Well, without knowing what? the excuses are. I'm going to go have dinner in his backyard and not tell him I'm there. Okay. Because Lord knows it's a palatial estate and he's got there with that Spotify money. I mean, look, I think the shame in it is that she'll always fun to hang out with. So, yeah. I think the shame in it is that he offended my wife. Yeah, I feel bad about that. I mean, but...

He should feel bad. But perhaps he was thinking, like, you know, you guys are under so much pressure. Don't, don't, don't ascribe, well-intended thoughts to him. No. Okay. All right. I do remember when I was in, you know, the, the throes of, like, the babies a few weeks old, right? Any time when, like, I could just get some sleep or, like, just have some downtime with Emily,

that's what I want. Like, I wasn't looking for a social epicenter at the, at the, at, at the, at, that point. Again. Does it, it didn't, it's not about the actual, you know, invite. Sure. You just want to hear from it. That's fair.

That's fair. It's, it's very easy to send the text in that spot. Just say, hey, I'm in such and such neighborhood. You know, even he can say, like, I'm tight on time. But, you know, if you're around, yeah. Unacceptable. Okay. So.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that happened. The depressing weekend. Well, that shouldn't take away from your weekend. You still have to see your brother. Yeah, no, I mean, it's been a good year.

We have a beautiful, healthy daughter. Everybody's been handling it very well. But I'm afraid that I do think that 2025 is going to be the year I remember as the year that she'll canceled our friendship. No, she'll never cancel your friendship. You and she'll are. Birds with former co-workers. No, no, you and she'll, you and she'll have a special thing going. Is that kombucha?

I thought so. I thought we did. You're a kombucha guy? We've covered this in the show. Yeah. All right. That's all right. Zach, I still love you.

I appreciate it. I know you wouldn't do that to me. Well, I mean, I would. Uh-oh. Julie, I know you wouldn't do that to me. No, no, no, no, no. I wouldn't do that to you. But I got to say, when I'm in your neighborhood,

I'm not like, now typically, if I was in your neighborhood free, I'd be like, hey, hey, by the way, I'm around. But, like, if Emily and I were on a date in your neighborhood, I wouldn't be like. I think that's a little different. Yeah, okay, yeah. So that's what I'm saying. Like, there's some.

By the way, it goes without saying, Sean Sight has never invited on the show again. I was going to say, there's some great restaurants around you. I was like, do I have to textbo every time around his house? Perfect example. Maybe two months ago. Jamie and his family He and his wife and his girls were in the neighborhood

And he shot me a text He said, hey, I'm at the And I'm going to be at the bar Near your house for the next hour If you happen to, if you're able to stop by for a drink That would be great. Okay. Totally appropriate.

Okay. Went by, had a drink with him. Yeah. I know for a fact, my wife will be on your side. Emily will be on your side on this. She's very much. Emily knows ball. Yeah.

Chad is on your side too. Yeah. Yeah. She, she is always into like the let's get together with them let's get together with them and I'm always like you don't want that I might not enough no that's what like how well just just you and me yeah so so there you go tough year tough life it's not tough life but great show or fun show today great show coming tomorrow we get to hear from Nick Siriani new on

multi-year deal. I hope Nick shows up tomorrow, like, you know, like one of those wrestling heels who, like he's all of a sudden, he's pimped out, he's got like slick back hair, he's wearing like, he's doing the, he's doing the Rick Von Maynard too. He's got like a big suit. He's got a nice fat Rolex or something like that. Yeah, Ben McAdoo and Year 3. Yeah.

That would be very funny. And then we have, um, Joe and Hertz, Superstar Capital S. I don't know why I said that, but he's had twice now. Yeah. No, I was saying, I don't know why I said it the first time. And then other players. What are your big questions for Jaila Hertz? Good question.

I think about that. How was the wedding? But you're focused on being married, not getting married. Yeah. You'll hear about this off-season. Do you think the White House is interesting? I'm curious. Do you think?

I think it's fascinating. I don't think he's going to answer it, but he's going to get asked it. Do you think there's any chance that he, He explains it? He'll do his thing where he laughs, laughs, looks aside, next question. That's what he'll do.

What he did when he was asked at that red carpet? Yes, exactly. Exactly. Okay. Do you think he'll answer about the Met Gala? I didn't even think about that. What's the Met Gala question? What happens inside the Met Gala?

Teaser, and I found out what happens inside the Met Gala. It's a good tease. Is it? Yes. Any good tease starts with teaser. This week, if you watch shows on the PHL on Affiliated with PHI. Well, you can't promise that. We don't know if it's going to make it in.

True. Okay. Anyways, at some point, I will tell you at the end of the week what happens at the MetGal because I found out what happens at the MetGal. It's actually not that exciting. It's an orgy. You want, you know, asking you know, asking you know about. post-Super Bowl stuff.

Yeah. I'm actually more interested in talking to Nick than I am, Jalen. But I'm really interested talking to Vic Fangio at some point. Like that's, I'm eager to talk to Fangio. And hopefully that's within the next, you know, eight to ten days. Okay. And Kevin Patuo in a big way, too. Yeah, absolutely.

I think that's probably the line of questioning that Jalen might explore. That would be interesting. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. All right. That'll do it for this episode of the. the P.HLY Eagles podcast. Thank you to everybody for watching and listening. We'll talk to you

tomorrow at 2 o'clock for all of us here. That's all we got. And to everybody except for Sheel, as always, we love you.