PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Kadyn Proctor, Keldric Faulk & the Eagles Draft PROSPECTS TO WATCH | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

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Fran Duffy's back. Can't wait to talk to him about the combine, what he learned, what Eagles fans need to know about a few important prospects who will be on the radar over the next couple months, plus a close look at the tight ends in free agency as the Eagles look to potentially replace Dallas Goddard. Stay with us coming up on the PHY Eagles podcast. Hello everybody and welcome to the PHA Y Eagles podcast

on a rainy Tuesday, but a beautiful Tuesday. We are here live in the Xfinity studio presented by Ashley Bo Wolf Fran Duffy. The man is back from the Combine. How you doing? How you feel?

Doing great. Feeling not 100%. We're getting there. It's been a long week. I love going out there every year. So it was great. Well, let's just get in right to the pitch here because everybody needs to be checking out

the friend Duffy Diehard draft guy. I mean, there truly is no better resource for NFL draft fans. But it is crazy because not only are you going to interviews in the morning and then workouts at night and then like recording some content for YouTube. You also then have to like manually input all the results and all of the things that you've learned from the interviews. I mean, what an undertaking. And then like all the, I wrote up like three to four sentences on all the position workouts

to put all that in. So it was like, it was. Maybe bit off a little more than I could chew, but it's all done. I wish we could have helped you out a little more. We're getting through it. It's all done? All of the on-field stuff is it. All the on-field stuff is didn't.

The only thing now, like, even just like up until a minute ago, I was like, I'm still transcribing quotes and like getting, so like interview quotes from the player press conferences. Okay. So like the one I just literally just finished was Kiante Scott, the Miami Safety, even Nickel Corner, talking about another Miami safety, Jacoby Thomas. So I was like, I let me grab that quote, put that into the Jacoby Thomas guide. Do you know about the NFLPA transcripts? They don't have them for everybody, right? No, they don't have it for everybody. So I've...

But you've seen... It saves you a little bit of work. That saves me a little bit of work because some of my... I see NFPA, that's not right, but... Yeah, yeah. Some of my stuff was in those transcripts. So that saved me some, but not everybody. So I got some exclusives.

Well, check that out. And that's, I continue to say. I mean, it is a wonderful resource, but it is also a living. breathing, changing thing. So it's like you can continue learning new things as you check out the stuff that's going on. Literally, I just had a buddy just text me. It was like, oh, Spencer Fano's wingspan wasn't in there.

So I literally, I was like, oh, yeah, you're right. By my man, banged out. I was like, all right, check it out. He was refreshed. He was like, oh, there it is. And there you go. Very easy. Was it a good wingspan?

Better than his arm length. Yes, which might be a conversation with, again, with like the arm length for players across the board was a little bit lower. So I wonder, I know last year, the scuttle butt was it was a young. young scout doing it for the first time at the combine. Okay.

A younger scout doing it for the first time at the combine. And so the measurements came in a little bit shorter. So we'll see if that was the case again this year. All right. Well, let's stick on this. So tomorrow we begin quackatology. E.J. will be in. Fran will be with us on Thursday for a three-hander.

We're going to whittle it down. 64 potential free agent signings for the Eagles to one, the most likely signing. But we're going to focus on the draft stuff early in the show today. We are going to talk specifically about tight end later in the show because there's an interesting report out from Mike Garifolo. And I do think this is a very interesting situation for the Eagles at Tide End. I'm very curious to see how they go about solving it. We will table that for later.

Let's talk about the draft at the top here. Let's do it with On the Clock presented by our friends at Ashley, Fran. And I guess let's start. Later on, we're going to sort of go through a couple, you know, slots where I want you to give Eagles fans someone to pay attention to, a day one tackle, a day one wide receiver possibility, a day two tackle, stuff like that. But before that, who were sort of the biggest movers? And I know that you don't use the combine results.

You don't count it twice, as you say, right? So you don't overvalue it. But you're going to be putting on a big board pretty soon. Who were the biggest movers in either direction based on the way things transpired in Indianapolis? You know, in terms of like huge, huge risers up the board, I'm like looking through some of my, because I'm going to do it all NFL draft podcast kind of covering like testing winner, workout winner,

buzz winner, like, you know, in terms of the scutthut out there, and then like just like a notable negative. So I've got like each position, you know, some players picked out. I would say Monroe Freeling is one, the tackle from Georgia where it's like, all right, it was a one year starter,

so small sample since he was an underclassman, especially first year starter. There wasn't, there weren't like confirmed measurables or anything like that on him coming into this event. So getting confirmed measurables, which were all outstanding. and then...

It's a big guy, right? Really big. You know, 6'7 with outstanding length. I knew you were going to do it as soon as it came out. The outstanding length, but then he runs extremely fast. It jumps out of the gym. So it's like, all right, like, yeah, he's probably out of the Eagles range. But I think he's an interesting conversation because while the testing workout was phenomenal,

the position workout was not great. Okay. But it was, it was, like, bad for, like, reasons of, like, it was just, like, mess. It was like he didn't do the technique right on the, like he hit the bag at the wrong time. So the coach like toss him back, like get back in line, come back and do it again kind of deal. And it was a couple of he like fell once. He like slipped a couple times. So it's like, I mean, but it was like one of those.

And it'll work out. Yeah. You're famously like don't fall, uh, the queen on Mitchell against Denver. But I think it's, uh, it was one of those where like there were some guys who are working out. You're like, oh, like, I don't know. I don't know if that's a first round player that to me like that was not the case while watching Monroe Freeling. It was more just like, all right, like.

In experience? Yeah, it was a messy workout. It wasn't a great workout. Well, that also goes to the conversation we've had about now if you're the Eagles, are you as willing to take on a project because you don't have Jeff Stoutland, who you know is going to, you know, get the likely the maximum out of the player? Yep. Or do you have to try to focus on someone with a narrower band of outcomes?

Yeah, it's, I don't know. I mean, without stout, there are seeds of doubt. I like that. I would say knowing Howie Roseman, I think he would invite that on. Yes. But it is still something that they have to consider. To me, if they had like played it safe at every other position and they took more risks at offensive line, then I would say if it goes back. But to me, like they will always, because they've got faith in their player development.

They're a swing for upside. They always will take the swings for upside. You hear Howie talk about that all the time on day three where it's like, we don't draft anybody if we don't think they have a path to become a starter. And so when you get into day three, like, that means that there's boom bust, essentially, like, those guys don't fall with starting potential unless there's some risk involved. Now, I do push back on that a little bit because I think that makes you think that you can predict that. Whereas, like, well, you know what I mean? Like you're looking for traits.

Whereas sometimes at a position like linebacker or safety, the guy was starting upside is actually the guy who is not toolsy. T.J. Edwards. Right. Read blanket chip. Right. Exactly. And they're not going to draft those guys. They signed them, to credit to them.

But wouldn't you rather have drafted them instead of, I don't know, Sean Bradley or whatever? Yeah, I think that. Sean Bradley, a very good special team's player. He's retired. T for Temple U. No, he, but I think that the idea. You know what I mean, though?

Yeah, no, I think that's right. But I think it's the, it's understanding because, you know, those two guys are guys where typically you can find players with that profile. Yeah. That fall out of the draft. And so, all right, we're going to take our swings there. and let's take Cameron Williams, who like may or may not work,

but it's at a big position. You know, Jordan Maelada, a big position, you know, the premium position. So I get the strategy. Yeah. Okay. Monroe Freeling, anybody else who moved one way or another? There was a lot of buzz on Malachi Fields,

the wide receiver from Notre Dame. Okay. And see, like, I'm kind of speaking out both sides of my mouth here because on one side, yeah. On one side, you really like to be worked out. On the other side, he didn't work out all that great. So, like, he's a guy that's got all the intangibles. I think that what's interesting is,

and we can get into this part of it. I'm going to write about this in the all-NFL draft newsletter this week. One of the, on the tip of everyone's tongue, like everyone was talking about, like, from a scouting standpoint, it's like, man, like a lot of these guys aren't running. Like, oh, like, a lot of these guys aren't working out. A lot of these guys aren't doing this. A lot of guys aren't doing that.

And that's why I think we all need, we all, like, collectively need, like, just maybe like a 101, like a one-on-one statistical analysis thing, because everyone's like, oh, this is the fastest draft class ever. And it's like, yeah, you cut the sample size in half. Like, half these guys are going to run. And only the guys that are going to run well ran. So if you're eliminating the bottom of half that isn't going to run well, yeah.

The numbers are all going to look better. But, um. Fran, I also heard on a unnamed other podcasts I listened to after I listened to this show twice a day. Um, that they were saying like six, seven years ago, like, was when high school players started to like really get trainers and like, you know, like be more into it. and that's like now they're hitting the combine. Do you think there's anything like to that? Well,

so that's why when people like look at samples of, you know, select the, oh, this is the, you know, the 10th percentile outcome for a play in terms of like, this was one of the best 40 yard dashes of any wide receiver

that's been to the combine in the pro day ever. And it's like, well, to me, like I look at a 10 year sample and I only look at guys that are drafted for that reason because it's kind of like streamlines. Like these are the guys that are talented enough. And to your point,

it's at the point that whatever, or the unnamed podcast was, that, yeah, I mean, training has gotten so much better. And these guys are, you know, how many guys do we see jump 43 inches in the vert that are, you know, at that size? Sunny Stiles did it on Thursday, the lineback from Ohio State. And everyone was like, oh, my God.

And then we saw like three tight ends do it. We saw pass rushers do it. We saw offensive linemen go crazy. So, yeah, I think there's something we said for that, too. I think there is also an evolution of once upon a time, it was like, if you do everything, you test everything, it's like, oh, you are, you are proving to the teams that you are not scared, right, that like you are willing to put yourself out there. And that was taken as like an intangible plus. Yeah. And now it's like, okay, protect it. Only give the

results that you know are going to be impressive. Otherwise, save it for your pro day where it's like a much safer reveal. Here's the thing, though. I think that that is still the case. I think I think I think it's still the case. Yeah. And especially for the blue chip guys, especially for funny styles. Yeah. Especially for, you know, I'm trying to think of like who else was like the best. Spencer Fano, like from Utah who's going to be a top 15 pick.

Like you go, you do everything. And I'm telling you when when they get drafted, that will be one, that'll be in the GM press conference. That will be in the head coach press conference. Hey, we saw this guy go to the combine and he did everything. One of the things that stood out to me about Jeremiah Love. Like he goes to the combine. He's clear. number one running back, top 10 pick.

And he goes, not only like works out, but then does the whole position work out and then does all the receiver work at the end of it. And then the last route of the receiver drills. I mean, that's a guy who loves ball, man. Well, the last route, it was like the deep over route. So he does the deep over route. And the quarterback puts it out in front.

So he has to lay out for it. It falls incomplete. And that could have been it. But he was like, no, no, no, like run it back. I want another one. And then he went back and run. Like, to me, like, that's like an intangible. that that's what you're like that's that's that's that's davante smith right like that's uh you know

think of like some of your favorite eagles like that's how those guys that's how they're made up but davontas smith didn't run he didn't test the compound well he was he had a it was pro that was COVID uh that was a little bit a little bit different yeah i'm with you and also like if you're a if you're a mid round prospect yep and you're you're not testing because you're hiding something well now you're putting it in you're putting it in you're putting it in the minds of the front offices, oh, this guy's scared of some limitation. Whereas if you run and it's subpar, as you say,

like, well, if on film, you don't look like the most special athlete in the world, if you don't test like the most special athlete in the world, that's fine. Yep. And there's also something we said, too, like if you were going to put all of your eggs in the pro die basket,

what happens if you are... You get a cold. You wake up, you got a head cold. You woke, hey, like, you rolled an ankle the day before, your hamstrings and all... Now everything is in there. And I think the other big one, and I'm actually going to run some numbers on this at some point, because the college football playoff has gotten put in, where it goes deep into January,

you know, like Indiana and Miami played 40, now it's like 47 days ago, whereas other guys that weren't, they didn't have playoff runs. Like they started training in the first week of December. So that, to me, like, oh, if you have a deep playoff run, you want to wait to your pro day, perfectly fine. You're Jermad McCoy. You didn't play a down of football this year. and then you're not going to work out at the combine?

Like, that's crazy. To me, that's a bad decision in my opinion. So, I don't know. All right, then I'll close the book on On the Clock presented by Ashley. Now, there is a vlog up on the PHA by YouTube. Shout to Lindsay. Right, shot by Lindsey putting that bad boy together. But a few other, like, sights and sounds of your week.

Tell us about it. Actually, before we get to that, I have a follow-up question on you talking to, like, people in front offices and stuff as you go through this process. Do you find that like this is the time of year when you are still getting very accurate information or are you starting to get spin yet about like, oh, we're not interested. We're not going to be interested in that guy. So I usually stay away from that. I usually stay away from like interest. I'm just talking about players, individual.

And sometimes I can like read into like you might talk with somebody and be like, oh, like what do you think of like these three guys together? And it's like, oh, okay. Like, all right, you kind of connect some dots. But I usually, it's like, hey, what do you think? about this guy. You were in the school. Like, what did you see from him? What's his character like? You know, that kind of thing. So for the most part, guys are up front. Okay. All right. Give us some sights and sounds. So shout out to Lindsay because there was Lindsay's

idea a couple weeks ago. Like, oh, you should do a vlog from, you know, send me a bunch of videos and we'll put it all together for the end. So it occurred to me after the first day that I did not do a good job of like collecting. So I'm like, all right, Wednesday and Thursday, I'm going to just try and record as much as I can. It was fun. It was a, you know, a look inside of what's going and it was like, all right, I'm going to, I'll try. The challenging part was to not make it feel repetitive. Sure. Because there are some places where I can film and some places where I can't.

Like, I can't be like doing stuff inside the, inside Lubas Soil Stadium during drills and stuff. So it was fun. Yeah, it was a little peek inside. I would say, like go check out on our YouTube page, on the P.H.O.I. YouTube page. It's in the under the video section and, you know, Day of the Life of the Combine. And we have a, we do have a picture of the shrimp cocktail. Oh, the famous shrimp cocktail that E.J. felt the need to cut up.

Well, so this is the exact, because I'm pretty sure the one he took was also the picture of mine because his was, like I was sitting next to him. Oh, interesting.

So this is from the front angle, over the top angle, his was from the side. I promise, I did not notice that he was cutting his shrimp up. And if I had, I would have rightfully called him out on that. I mean, come on.

Yeah. I think there are a lot of things to beg on E.J. I think he- Cutting up for shrimp is weak, but I'm happy that he is not beaten back by it. I'm glad for him that he's continuing to stand with it. I would expect nothing less. Don't let us yuck as young.

Of course. Now, you sent us this photo. So look, I probably talked with a couple hundred players. I was in on a bunch of player press conferences. This is Jake Slaughter, the center from Florida. And I walk up to this guy. And I was like, there is no way this guy is a college prospect. Look at this guy.

You cannot tell me he is 22 years old. He's not, the funny way is he's not like some 25 year old, like 60 or senior. He's of normal college age. Is he really? Yeah, he's not. I mean, look at him. Yeah. The guy looks mid-50s.

I mean, like he looks like he very much enjoys like bird watching and, you know, what is it? So you sent it to me and E.J. And, you know, obviously we get, I got to get going. here. You say, I'm sorry this man must be older than E.J. There's no way he's a college prospect. I said, I said, history professor looking ass. E.J. said, ask him if he's seen Superbad. Callback. Yep. A little callback. He said he wrote super bad. Then we really got going. My man better get his workout in before the 5 p.m. dinner reservation. Pre-game pump-up song. He's a Civil War audiobook. Can I bring my CPAP machine to the medical check?

first rookie with a Cialis endorsement. E.J. says, told the Jags, it's not the heat, it's the humidity in his formal interview. That's a good one from E.J. I said pausing before the 40 to insert his arch support insoles. Request cookies and cream, fudge swirl and pistachio for the crecon. I mean, it was a nice, that was a nice half an hour we had on the text, the rain text thread with that guy. Yeah, that was, to me, that was one of my highlights for sure.

All right. Well, hopefully that was a nice highlight for you. guys. We're going to take a break. On the other side, we're going to get into some of these specific slots that Eagles fans need to pay attention to as Fran, as far as Fran is concerned. We're going to start with first round tackles. So he mentioned Monroe Freeling. Tell us and think about as we go to break, if there is anybody that you think is a likely first round tackle prospect for the Eagles. We'll do second round, or day two tackles, day three tackles as well. Stay with us. Fran Duffy, much more draft Eagles talk coming up. Let me tell you about a local business that has

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Visit Harness Togo and mention PHLY for free operational assessment. Back on the P.HLY Eagles podcast, Bo Wolf and M. the great Fran Duffy. Let's get into it, Fran. We've got, I believe, 13 different little buckets here that we want to talk about as far as people to get on Eagles fans' radars. If you are beginning to get into the draft process, as I am,

let's start with day one tackle because we've talked about, in theory, that would be the ideal pick for the Eagles. This year, you get a Lane Johnson replacement. If you want one, the first round is the time to get it. This offensive line needs to be turned over at some point. is that where the strength of this draft might be around 23? And if it's not Monroe Freeling, as you said,

who's probably going to go too early, who would be the person who is likely to be in that sweet spot? Yeah, I think one guy to keep in mind, and he could very well go early. Because his talent dictates, to me, looks like a guy that would go top 10, top 12. That is Caden Proctor, the offensive tackle from the University of Alabama.

Three-year starter was a big-time recruit coming out of Iowa. actually initially committed to the University of Iowa, then flipped, goes to commit to Nick Saban in Alabama. Plays there, starts as a true freshman, talking six foot six, 300. I mean, when he first got to campus, he was getting close to four bills there. Big boy, but a freaky athlete.

That's the thing is that he is not like some big slug. He's explosive, he is powerful, a really, really fun player. So then Nick Saban retires. He goes in the transfer portal, goes to Iowa. I don't think he actually even played in spring ball. I think he got there and immediately regretted his decision and was like,

okay, I'm going to, he like went to school the first couple of months. I hadn't really thought about what I was going to be like to live in Iowa. Yeah, well, go back to Iowa because he's from there. But yeah, like, oh, like, you know, I was like, I kind of miss Alabama. So it gets back in the portal, goes back to Alabama.

So that was a little weird. Plays in 2024. I watched him last summer off the 2024 season. I was like, man, this guy is phenomenal. Like so explosive, so powerful. so powerful. Then I find out he tore his labrum and played in like September, played his entire sophomore season with a bum shoulder and was still moving people off the ball. The flash plays were phenomenal. Gets the surgery after missed the team's bowl game. When I understand like came in

really heavy again to start this season and it was very up and down. I was really high on him coming into the year. Top five type player. Love the profile. But came in a little heavy, gave up some pressures, gave up some sales. And he was. early on in the season, got into playing shape, and it was better down the stretch. So I would say watching him, a lot of his issues,

like in pass protection, probably would get mitigated by going inside the guard. Like he's got the arm length and the size, all that stuff to play tackle. But like when I see the plays that he's given up off the edge, I'm like, yeah, like that wouldn't be an issue at guard. I do think there's a little bit of Mackay Beckton there. Okay.

And Mikey Beckton at that size. Crazy athlete. We remember what he did at the Combine a few years back. He ended up being a top seven, top eight pick for the New York Jets has turned into a solid starting guard.

It was a really good guard, a pro bowl guard for the Eagles in 2024. So I do think there's a wide range of outcomes with Caden Proctor. I mean, I compared him to Leonard Davis last summer, who was the number two pick back in the early 2000s

and had a really long, really good career. But it's a tricky one. Now, I think when you're picking at 23, that's a profile you can take a swing on because of what the upside is. If we think that this running game is going to be moving to more outside zone stuff. Right. Does he make sense as a guard?

If this is going to be more of a movement heavy position? Well, here's the thing. Okay. So watching him up close and watching the position workout. So the field drills work out on Sunday. he was really impressive. For a guy that size, and I'm just going to go really quickly

to one line I wrote from the for a guy, and this is from the draft guide, so freebie, okay? Four guy as big as he is, he gets out of his stance so well, particularly as a puller, but even in past rush drops,

I was really impressed. The wave and mirror drills, he got caught guessing a little bit, so that's just like not doing well in the drill. The flashes are phenomenal. Again, I think he's scheming diverse. I do think that he can play in any system. And honestly,

we saw like Mackay Beckton in his own blocking system when he was here in Philadelphia so I do think that there's scheme versatility there now do I just do I like them more just like mashing guys double teams the point of attack? Yes but I think that he's got the freaky athleticism

to be able to be scheme diverse and is the the expectation right now that Freeling Maui Goa Fano that means Proctor is like the fourth O'Lignment off the board if you told me that Proctor was the second tackle off the board. I believe it. If you told me he was the

sixth tackle off the board, I'd believe it. I think there's a range there that's that's tough to kind of pin down with him. Right. And the Eagles will feel confident that they have a good sense of Alabama prospects, even their connections in that building. Yes. All right. Now, we have talked about and EJ mentioned it yesterday, that the idea of looking for a tackle on day two is daunting. And history backs that up. We've talked about it before if you've been with us. If you want a Pro Bowl caliber tackle, you pretty much got to find them on day one. And so if you maybe are setting your sights a little bit lower and you think that there's enough depth in this class and you're looking for a day two caliber tackle prospect for the Eagles to pay attention to, who would that be?

Real quick, a note from Daniel Jeremiah a couple hours ago. There are seven tackles with potential to go in the first round. After that group, I could see a gap to the third round. So if you want one, you're going to probably have to take one higher than you'd like in round one. So that's a note from Daniel Jeremiah. I would say that one guy that I'm higher on than consensus, that I think it's got starting mobility. And I think that on day two, you're probably talking about just because,

again, he's not getting first round buzz, would be Caleb Tiernan from Northwestern. Okay. I'm in 6'7, just over 320 pounds, short arms for the position. But to me, like when I'm watching him, I see a guy that's got really efficient movement. I think the athleticism is not going to blow you away.

He ended up, heverted 35 and a half inches, which is an outstanding number, 111 inches in the broad. Those are the only test that he did at the combine. But to me, like, I saw a guy that was athletic enough, certainly, to be able to hang out in the NFL as a starter and be able to play at a well enough level. Now, I don't have, like, high-end starting grade. So that's why I don't think he's going to be a first-round caliber talent.

But I think at the end of the day, like day two, round two, round three, I like Caleb Tiernan. To me, like, he could, any, he's got experience playing both left and right. There's a lot to like there. get a sponsorship deal with Tiernanag? Sure. Okay. Yeah.

Make that happen? Yeah. I like to, you know, and to me, like, second or third round, I think is the sweet spot for him. I was at Tirna Nag. Okay. On the morning of, it was the year that the World Cup started on my birthday. This was in 2010. Okay.

They were one of the places open in the morning for the first game. I believe this was the South Africa World Cup, South Africa. Shebelalele had scored a, a sweet goal. And I get a call. I had taken the day off, real birthday uncle kind of thing to do. I was still an intern at the Eagles.

Yeah. Got a call from Dave Spadero. What are you doing? No. Says, guess what? Oh, wait, hold on. No, 2010? 2010.

What was it? Oh, you're getting a job? He says, got a full-time offer for it. Nice. So there you go. That's a big day. Shout out to turn a knock. Shout out to Dave Spadero.

You're saying you saying sponsorship and talking about a place just reminded me. Lindsay, remember in the in the vlog where I said like I could really use a Wawa in Indianapolis. Turns out because I was talking to somebody that works for the Colts that then I was like, yeah, I really love it. Because someone that has been in the Philly area and was like, oh, I could go for Wawa. He said, we actually have three Wawa's here now and one is over by the Colts facility. Had no idea. Oh, really? Now it's a little bit of a drive.

I wouldn't have been going. But turns out there is a Wawa out in Indianapolis. They're so in Florida, too. Wow. Yeah, they're branch. They're spraying. There we go. All right, how about a day three tackle?

And they don't move off of tackle. Yep. Obviously, these are swings you're taking at this point. Remember, the Eagles took two last year on day three. Do you think they would take another one on day three after taking those two guys? I think that's unlikely. I think you're probably right. Yeah, so that's a tough one.

I ended up going with a local guy from, I want to say he's from Chester County, but I won't say it exactly. So Drew Shelton, the left tackle from Penn State. he is from Downingtown. So Downingtown, P. I went to Downingtown West. I kind of like True Sheldon. From what I understand, it's more like day three, late round grades, but he's got really light feet.

He's not a power guy. He's not a like move people off the ball. He's a little bit undersized for tackle. So some people are talking about him for center. I personally think that he's like, he checks the boxes from a size standpoint of tackle. Yeah, I mean, that would be a guy that if he fell to day three, You could definitely do worse. And if you're going to go into like stretch zone, outside zone scheme,

I think that Drew Shelton, I mean, he's got that skill set to be able to hang in that kind of system. He's played both right and left for this. I see in the draft report. Put some left guard as well. So there's a proven versatility there with Drew Shelton. All right. Good stuff. That will wrap up the tackles.

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a show filled with astonishment here on the P.H.O.Y. Eagle Show, Bo Wolf and Fran Duffy. Let's move on. Now, thinking through the other possibilities in round one. Okay. I think they would like it to be tackled, but we've got to, you know, prepare. Wide receiver, I think this would only be if they move on from A.J. Brown, right? But it is also a position that they would be willing to.

to draft in the first round. They have shown that if in a post-A. Brown world, is there a wide receiver who you think could be the sweet spot of 23? Yeah, let's say a bunch of the tackles go and there's the run there. So you missed out on that position. Or if you did trade AJ Brown, you have another first round pick there. I think a receiver that does make some sense. He was my pick for the Eagles in my first mock draft back in January. And that's Casey Concepcion, the wide receiver from Texas A&M. third year player, so True Junior.

I think that when you're looking at Concepcion, he is slightly undersized. He's on the smaller end of receiver. He's a movement, like slot type guy. One of the better route runners in this class, really good after the catch. Dynamic punt returner this past year for Texas A&M, scored a couple of touchdowns on special teams, was one of the leaders and touchdowns in the entire SEC. Has not been a one-year guy, though. He began his career at NC State produced as a true freshman right away for the Wolfpack,

still produced last year as a sophomore, but the team and he like fell a little bit back. So then he ended up going into the portal, goes to Texas A&M and has a great year. So when I look at Concepcion, yeah, to me, he's a guy I really like when you talk about the route running, the yards after catch, the punt return value. I think that there's plenty of like there.

I've compared him to Zay Flowers. And that's what kind of like the tier of player where I think his ceiling would be like as a low end number one, but probably better as like a number two type of receiver. And I think that profile, is definitely worth drafting and the backstages around one. 511, 190?

Is he a slot only or can he win on the outside? I think he went on the outside. I think there's enough like separation ability because at the end of the day when you're talking about like can a guy play outside is can he win one-on-one? Like can he separate one-on-one on the outside and I think he can. Okay.

And you think he's going to be the second or third wide receiver off the board? I would say no, he's probably like the fourth receiver off the board. It feels like there's like a big three there when you're talking Carnel Tate, Jordan Tyson and Mackay Lemon in some order. And then I think he's square in the discussion after that, maybe as high as four. Got it.

Okay. Now, we are not going to talk about Kenyon-Sadik because my expectation is he's gone before 20. I think so. And also, I think Eagles fans already know that he is the guy who would be available in the first round. You have told us. Let me ask you a question really quick. So in terms of tight end round one, how are you feeling about that, the idea of that? Are you okay with that?

Some people are not. I am okay with that. I think a couple things about this. One is, I used to be, you know, tight ends take a long time. Right. That has not really, that has evolved, especially over the past couple years. Agree. And I think there are two ways the Eagles can go as they move into this new offense.

And if you are expecting that A.J. Brown is going to be gone, even if it's next season, then having an elite pass-catching tight-end is a nice way to go about it, and it makes replacing a superstar wide receiver a little bit easier. The other thing I'm curious about, and we'll get to this when we talk later about the free agent tight-end situation, is they can also go the other way, which is, you know, you assign someone who is just a blocker. Right.

And then you're opening up targets for, you know how they never throw it to that third wide receiver? what if you then spend $11 million on, you know, I don't know who it is, Jalen Naler or somebody like that, somebody who's who, you change the way the offense looks that way. And all of a sudden, you're not worried about the offense runs through AJ and Devante and Dallas. It's actually three wide receivers.

I think that's a possibility. Yeah. But, yeah, I think if Kenyon Sadiq is the best player on the board, I think you got to listen to the board. Yeah. How do you feel? If it's tied with a tackle, like in terms of like tier, even though, let's say, Let's say Sadiq is a higher grade, but it's at the same bucket.

Would you take the tackle? It would depend on how close the grades are. Yeah. If it's the same grade, I would take the tackle. Right. But if it's a truly different grade, I would take the tight end. So. Now, Sadiq can block a little bit.

A lot of it. Right. Yeah. He's not a certain kind of blocker. He's not Brock Bowers. Right. I think he's better blocker than Brock Bowers personally. Okay.

So right now, I've got high, they're actually on the same tier on the horizontal board. Fano, Proctor, Maui Noah are all three ahead of Sadiq. I have a higher grade and actually it's like substantially higher grade on Sadiq than Monroe Freeling, the Georgia tackle. But they're in the same bucket. So like I guess that would be kind of the cutoff there for you. It would be all right. It's a much bigger grade. He's a better player right now than Freeling.

Right. I would take those other tackles. Yep. but then when you drop a half tier, I would take the tight end. I think you've got to listen to it. Or you take the opportunity and you move back three spots.

Right. So if you're going to spit in the face of your grades, you got to get something for it. Sure. Okay. Makes sense. That's how I feel. How do you feel?

That's how I feel about it. He's a top 12th player for me, top 15 player for me in the class. I really, really like Ken Cidia. Yeah, I just, you know, we've talked about this, you and I have talked about this for a decade, but you do all the work. You spend all year long doing the work.

You can't then back off all of the work you've done when push comes to shove. Yeah. Like that's what the whole year has spent doing. I had a, I was having a, essentially, it was essentially, it was a straw man's argument with somebody who were watching the workouts where they're like, well, you know, we're talking about like Sadiq and Sunny Stiles and Caleb Downs and Jeremiah Love. and it's the guys at like non-premium positions, quote, unquote. And it's like, well, Fran, there's no way that you can take, you know, Mackay Lemon, because we both kind of agree that Lemon's not to that tier.

Like, you know, a guy at a lower grade at a premium position just because of the position they play. I'm like, yeah, you know what I think it's not going to happen? That's not going to happen. I think that teams are like having an understanding that these guys are just better football players. Like, they're just better projections moving into the NFL. Running back is the one. Yeah, where I would, I would look away from the grade. If I had a top 10 pick, I would not think the running back.

I think the team, I think the team, the structure of the team is extremely important in the discussion. Yeah. Like the thought of Tennessee taking a running back is ludicrous in my opinion. That is insane. I have a good Jeremiah love destination that was floated to me. Okay. The Giants. Yeah, I know.

That's what I'm hearing that. And I literally was just listening to a podcast. Wouldn't that be so funny? I was listening to a podcast on the way in. They were like, yeah, they are in much better position now than they were when they took Sequin. I'm like, really, are they? Like, yeah, it's perfect. It's perfect.

That's crazy. That's crazy. All right, before we move on, well, no, before we get to go to break, let's keep going with these past catchers. Tight end, beyond Kenyon speak. Day two, we have sort of talked about this already, but give me day two and day three, tight end possibility. All right, so day two, there's a huge cluster of players, I would say, like, round three through round five. So I could have gone, I could have mixed these up anyway. But to me, I'm going to go with Joe Royer.

from Cincinnati who... That's a bit of a mouthful. Joe Royer. Yeah, Joe Royer. Joseph Royer. So when I'm looking at Joe Royer, just like... Open up the Gerroir.

I don't have any jurors in my first hotel. The washer and the Joe Royer. When you're looking at Royer, he's kind of like B to B minus across the board. So just a well-rounded player, but not elite in any one way. Began his career at Ohio State. I couldn't see the field,

was having some issues there. So ended up transferring, went to Cincinnati. and was productive the last couple of seasons. Is there a player in this draft class who's been at the same school for four years in a row? Yeah, they're there, but it's not too many. No, it's a prevalent thing now, man. It's all over the place.

Will Casmaric would be my day three tight end. So he is from Ohio State, and he is the blocking specialist. So ironically enough, Joe Royer transfers from Ohio State goes to Cincinnati, so they needed a tight end. So they go into the portal, and they take Casmaric from Ohio U, in the Mac where he was like prime receiver,

move around the formation, but they're like, this guy is 6 foot 6, 250 pounds. Let's put a little bit more weight on him and he's going to be a blocking specialist for us. And he is one of the best blocking tight ends in the league. He is not a Jackson Hawes. I'm not putting the Jackson Hawes tag on him,

but that's what he is. He is like in line presence, dominant at the point of attack, really, really good in the run game and holds up well in pass protection as well. Okay. And we were talking before the show about some of these tight end contracts

if a blocking tight end special is getting $7 million. That is why you should draft Spencer Hawes. And so, you know, Catch Merrick in the fifth, could make sense. That's it. To me,

like, when they took Jackson Hawes, when Buffalo took Hawes last year, I was like, that is good value, even though it's like, oh, blocking tight end doesn't give you a lot. That's a valuable player.

Those guys get paid in their second contract. All right, two more on offense, and then we'll go to break. Okay. Give me the day three quarterback, who is a Tanner McKee replacement if he goes move on from Tanner McKee.

So this is interesting. would say, I think you've given this one before. Yeah, I think the one that to me makes, I feel best about him on day three is Kate Klobnik from Clemson, three-year starter, you know, had a lot of success, won a lot of games, was kind of getting fluffed as a round one guy coming into the season. I never quite saw that. But I think day three, I feel perfectly fine with that. I actually compared him to a former eagle in Aaron Murray, former Georgia Bulldog.

But honestly, like, if you told me Carson Beck from Miami, falls down to day three, You told me, Drew Aller from Penn State falls to day three, that would not shock me. And I think that the Eagles would be interested in that kind of profile. All right. The other one I want to ask you about is, as we've talked about, tackles, you're not going to get them on day two, most likely. But if you don't take a tackle in round one and you want a future Pro Bowl caliber player on day two on the offensive line, you can find it on the interior offensive line. Who is the guy who might have that kind of upside? Yeah, I actually really like this guard class.

I think there are a number of guards that you can get really excited about. and Keelan Rutledge from Georgia Tech is one player that I think checks a lot of the boxes that the Eagles typically look for, especially on day two, where it's like high traits, the guy tested really, really well, he's got high intangibles. He's one of the toughest, like nastiest blockers in this draft, like is always given the extra effort in that way. Went to the Senior Bowl, had a pretty good week down there. So again, like just checking boxes along the way.

Began his career at Middle Tennessee. Was a captain there as a sophomore. Then they had a coaching change, so he transferred, ends up going to Georgia Tech. he's a really good player, really fun player. If you're looking for like tough finishes to the ground,

like Keelan Rutledge is going to have a lot of those. Sounds a little bit like a lacrosse player, Keelan Rutledge. I thought you were going to go with like Rutledge,

I always feel of like, what was the, faulty towers? Is that they, like, I feel like something like across the pond

a little bit with a rutledge. Okay. I could take that. Yeah. All right. Now I'll wrap it for the offense. On the other side,

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to as we move forward in the draft process. And then after this, we're probably going to be putting. the draft to the side here on the show for a couple weeks. Getting full into free agency, then we can do our work and try to just play catch-up enough to have a conversation with you. We've got still, we still have stuff to do. Well, when are you doing your buckets? After free agency?

I was thinking probably that because I very generously gave me an early invite to join the pond. I'd like to do that. It's a great conversation. Probably at least after, I will start compiling at the second week of free agency, hopefully. Okay. assuming things calm down. Got it. And then maybe the next week

we can actually do it. Like it. Yeah, looking forward to it. All right. Day one edge. Now, this is probably in a world in which they let Jalen Phillips walk. Correct.

And you know what? We have two strong, foundational, organizational priorities that if there's a edge player we feel this strongly about on the board, we've got to take him. It's like the tight end conversation where if this guy is just,

he's the best player on the board, technically at a position of need, because you just let Jalen Phillips go in this situation. To me, when I look at it, the guy that screams to me is, yeah, is my guy, Keldrick Falk, from Auburn. Young doesn't turn 21 until the fall until late September. He's been productive in the past. He's been productive in the past.

He's only had two sacks this year. He had seven last year as a sophomore. I was hoping for a little bit more from the Combine, personally. I was hoping to be a little bit better. But I did go through all the field drills. I liked what I saw from Kelton. There was a testing results. He actually did not test at all.

So what were you hoping for? I was hoping that the field drill. First, I was hoping he would test, and then I was hoping that the field drills would look a little bit better. Just good, not great. Good, not great, exactly. But this is a guy that plays with outstanding effort. You can play against the run.

You talk with anybody in the SEC, and they'll say, yeah, like he was one of the toughest guys for us to block. You talk to all those teammates, all their coaches. They all rave about Keldrick Fox. So to me, that is a profile I will bet on. And if other teams are going to let him fall into the 20s, like I will snatch that up if you don't pay a big price tag for Jalen Phillips.

Okay. I mean, I could be convinced. Yeah. I mean, that's just a profile. Like, again, when you get into the 20s, like, especially in this class, I'm betting on that. I'm going to take a bet on that profile. Okay. Now, how about a day two edge guy? And this is not pronounced like someone in Happy Gilmore. Correct. Gabe Accus, Gabe Accus from Illinois. And it's similar in a lot of ways to the Keelan Rutledge conversation, where, where what are some of the markers that we've seen from the Eagles in recent years, where the type of player that they will target in the draft, especially on day two, a senior ball, tough, like intangibles, upside.

I look at Gabe Accus, who is spelled with a silent J in the beginning, J-A-C-A-C-S. But when you're looking at Accus, really tough and physical, I think that he definitely fits like the dog mentality aspect of things. He fits in a three-four, can stand up, can play in some odd fronts. I like Gabe Accus, a former two-time All-State wrestling champion in high school. There's a lot to like about the profile.

Now, you and I agree that the idea of the Eagles taking a corner in day one is a little bit insane. Yeah. But if there's going to be someone who is too good to pass up and all of a sudden you are forming the Voltron secondary and, you know, three elite players in a five-man unit, who would that be? it would be Avion Terrell, the corner from Clemson. AJ Terrell's younger brother,

AJ Terrell, Pro Bowl Corner for the Atlanta Falcons. And I think when you're looking at Avion Terrell, you see a guy that to me looks very much like Jaiyre Alexander when he was a first round pick out of the University of Louisville to the Green Bay Packers has been undersized, but he's going to compete his you know what off and he is going to match every single route at all three levels. He's got speed, he's got quickness,

he's got competitiveness. I really, really like what I've seen from, from Avion Terrell. And to me, like, did not, he didn't run the 40

at that size. Position workout was as good as anybody. Really, really good position workout. And there was a, there was a clip that went up, I want to say it was like midway through the fall.

And it was one-on-one from practice. Okay. And, oh, he's so good. He's so, it was literally watching. And I'm like,

man, like, he, I love this player. What don't you like? You don't like the size? Well, I just... I have been with you long enough

to know to trust you when it comes to corners. Right. But my initial instinct, yeah, is... If I'm going to use a first-round pick on a corner when I already have Quinyan and Cooper de Gene... Yeah, no, I know. Like, then it... There better be no question marks.

And I... Yeah, if he's 5-10-186, I am a little bit hesitant, but, you know, I haven't done the work. Hold on. I'm going to keep... spin for a little bit and I'll give you like corners from the first round in the last decade that were that small. I'll look at the hit. Well, then I think you're, it's self-selecting, right? It's like it's like the wide receivers who are slow who go in the first round are actually, there's a very good hit rate because if they're good enough to go, despite being slow, they're probably really good. What do you want to cut off to be?

190, we'll say 195. Yeah. We'll go 192. That's 20th percent time. Okay. All right. So first round corners under 192? First round corner.

corners under 192 and below. All right. Emmanuel Forbes, but we were on the same page there. Nate Wiggins, Devin Witherspoon, hit, hit Maxwell Harrison last year, Denzel Ward hit, Adori Jackson hit, Travis Hunter, Terry and Arnold, Mike Hughes, probably hit, he was the 30th pick. William Jackson was up and down. Sauce Gardner, I forgot that he was that light.

Derek Stingley, Jr., Jeff Gladney, Keir Elam, Greg Newsom, Trey White. Okay. It's a pretty good hit, right? Pretty good hit, right? Pretty good hit, right. Okay. How about day two? Is there a guy? Of course. I feel like day two is, I mean, I think they're both unlikely, but yeah. Yeah. I love DeAngelo Ponds, the corner from Indiana. She is extremely small. Yeah, I didn't know this until the interview, reading through the transcript. There was a pond in Bloomington that they named after.

Nice. Named as so, Angel Pond. But apparently they only did it for like a week. Oh, come on. Give the guy a pond. That's like the famous Doug Peterson day. Right. But that's it. He is extremely small. But he is so athletic. I love the comp you have in the guide here.

It's better Mike. Better Mike Sanders. But like that's, I was we were talking, who was I talking with? I was talking with somebody down at the senior bowl. We were talking about Pons. And it was like, yeah, like, do you think he can go top 40?

And I was like, look, like, Mike Sanders still went top 40. I like Santa still, but like he went high. He went that high. I really liked Roger McCreary coming out of Auburn. He went just about that high. I was like, this guy's tapes better. I really like DeAngelo Ponds, hyper-competitive, great ball skills, great instincts. And he's like the Signetti guy.

Yeah. I really, really like his tape. But he's just, he is really small across the board. Okay. All right. Last one, before I move on to the tight ends, is the other one that, like, if you're squinting day one, could they do it? Yep.

I think it would be kind of wild to go rookie second year guy as, you know, as your starting safety tandem, but is there a safety who would make sense if they let Reed Blankenship go? I think if you are doing it for that reason, I think it has to be for a guy that is like replacing Reed from like the, he's the sheriff

from the back end standpoint. He's the guy who's going to run the show and make all the calls and like do all that. I really like Emmanuel McNeil Warren. Right. I don't know that he's that guy. Okay. He's what more?

He's more of Cooper de Gene replacement? Honestly, like I think he fits in the scheme, in the Fangio scheme, but I wouldn't say that that's like a strength of his game where he's going to be that type of like presence back there. Dylan Thineman would be in my opinion. And from what I understand about Dylan Thineman. So Dylan Thineman, I think that you plug him in and he is like, I think he's being built. Like he's gotten comparisons to Cooper DeGine. I don't see that. I think there might be a reason.

There might be like a vitamin D reason for me. He's a white guy. Yeah. I think there's a reason for that. But he is not someone that I think you're going to put in the slot and routinely. It's like, yeah, go cover the other team slot receiver. I don't think that's Dillon-Thineaman.

Now, if there's a play where he's lined up to the boundary and, you know, Devante Adams gets moved inside and runs a vertical route and you get matched up again, kind of like what happened with Reed Blanketship, like, yeah, like I think he can hang in those kinds of situations. He's a great athlete. He's a better athlete than Reed. So I think he can hang in those situations.

I like him more as a top downsage. I was actually talking with DLLS, with our friends down to DLS about this. And shout out to Katia. I was talking to Jeffrey Kavanaugh about it. I was like, I think that he is a perfect fit for Christian Parker. Okay. And so for the same reason, I feel like he's a great fit here in this scheme.

You know Christian Parker can coach a white safety. Right. I mean, we've seen the proof is in the pudding there. So, yeah. You would have to, you would feel really bad for Reed. If they move off of him and then draft him with wife safety in the first round. And all of a sudden, Cooper de Gene starts being really good friends with him.

Oh, what a heartbreak. Yeah, that's tough. That's brutal. I do like Deeneman a lot, but I don't see the Cooper to Gene comparison. And I'm probably not as high on him as like the consensus is, but it sounds like he's going to go top 25. I think this would be an underwhelming result. That's why they need to go there. I think offense is the right move for all these reasons that we've talked about.

Yeah, going through this exercise, you feel like offense. Yeah. And probably O'Line, right? Probably. Yeah, okay. All right. We're going to get into the tight ends because ahead of tomorrow

when we're going to do the quackatology on offense. And by the way, very exciting stuff with quacketology this year for the first time ever in the history of quackatology, which is, I don't know, eight years running, something like that. The Eagles needs entering free agency

are such that we can actually split it up into 32 players on offense and 32 players on three. First time ever? First time ever. Who'd have thought it? Very exciting. So tomorrow will be the offense.

We'll go through the 32 players on offense. And tight end to me is fascinating. And I was thinking about it. It is especially fascinating, friend, because when is the last time that the Eagles have entered a season with a free agent tight end as their tight end won? Hold on.

You know the answer? I went, yeah. You got to go back. I mean, just think of the torch passing. It goes Goddert from Ertz, from Selik, from L.J. Smith. Yeah. Now, this is where it's cheating. Chad Lewis.

It's Chad Lewis, but Chad Lewis was signed after he had already been with the team as a rookie, and then left and came back. Rams? I think that's right. That's the classic. It might be right. So, yeah. But I mean, literally since the turn of the century,

the Eagles have had a homegrown tight end as their starter. Rams, nail it. Yeah. So I don't know if that means, it doesn't mean anything, but it's interesting. I still think they're going to hope to draft that person now. Yeah. But they got to sign somebody who is a starting half of their player. Yeah.

And I am really interested in what they do because, first of all, we've talked about, it's linked a little bit in my mind to the Jalen Phillips thing. I think if Phillips leaves, maybe you're more likely to bring Goddard back because you don't want to cancel out the comp pick. although I get, yeah, yeah, no, I think that's right. Now there's a report out today from Mike Garifolo that I should read as we prepare for overtime. Are we ready, Katta? We're ready. Let's do it. Join us. I will give you this Mike Garifolo report.

If you're watching on TV, you've got to click over to all p.gloy.com to find out what Mike Garifolo says about Dallas Goddard. All right, here's what he says. Let me find it. Great tease. Welcome everybody that was watching on TV. Thank you for joining us. Okay, here's what he says. With less than a week to start the negotiating window,

Eagles Tide in Dallas Goddard is positioned to hit free agency for the first time in his career. Sources say the team has expressed interest in resigning him, and the signs will continue talking in the coming days. However, Howard Roseman has a few balls in the air, A.J. Brown, for example, that are affecting budgeting for his pending free agents. There are some moving parts that could change

on a few fronts in the next few days. If he gets to the market, Goddard will have significant interest from other teams, interested in the proven, reliable eight-year veteran who had career highs with 60 catches and 11 touchdowns last season. So should we translate that? Please. Okay.

If they come to terms with Jalen Phillips, then it's unlikely that Dallas Goddard's back. Yes. Right. But if they also trade A.J. Brown, although the dead money there, like, That's got to account for something, right? Yes.

Hmm. Yeah. I have not thought, I'm pretty sure I was low man on Dallas Goddard's chances returning. Yeah. When we did spread your, no, not spread your wins. Flew world order. Blue world order. Thank you.

I mean, I would say if you're an Eagles fan and you want Dallas Goddard to return, I think that that's a positive report, right? I think that's fair. But I do think that if Jalen Phillips comes back, that probably shuts the door. I think that he's going to have a decent enough market, that that would eliminate them from being able to payback. Now, we had to take a pay cut down to $10 million last year. I think he will make more than that this time around. But it's an interesting group of perspective for agent tight ends. So let's run through them here. Now, Katja, this is the ranking. Here we go. Yes, very nice. So this is all the free agent tight ends as wide receivers. Now, I did add Michael Mayer in here just to see where he stands. And this is in receiving yards per route run. And also just totally. routes run. So of the guys here who are above average in both, it is Dallas Goddert,

who's second there in yards per route run, which I was actually a little bit pleasantly surprised by. Kyle Pitts, who is going to be franchise tagged. Austin Hooper, who's just barely above the line and is going to be 31 years old, Travis Kelsey, I think very unlikely, Isaiah likely, Zach Ertz, who's coming off an injury, and Noah Fant, who's just above the line on those things. And I will get to some other things here because I've been doing a lot of thinking about like, oh man, like,

and I'm guilty of this when it comes to like Eagles for Agent stuff. Like spending a lot of time thinking about the like $3 million players, like Charlie Kohler versus Foster Moreau versus Greg Dulcich. When in reality for the Eagles, oftentimes it feels like

Howie and Jeffrey are like passing a joint around and it's like, what would be like if we signed Sequin Barclan? That would be so cool. Like, what if we signed Travis Kelsey? Who lets Sadie right into the draft right? Like they're just star hunting. Right.

But it's funny. So I don't know. Now, if we take Howie, do you believe Howie? Yes. When he says he needs to have an evolution of the tight end position and care more about blocking. I do. I don't take him as when he says things like that, publicly.

I don't think that that's smoke. I think he's, I think that's genuine. I agree with you. Yeah. But I also think we can, you can overcorrect. I don't think he means

like co-keefed. Yeah, right. I mean, they, they might sign a co-keft. Yeah, they should get a Jacksonville type. For people who don't know,

has literally never been targeted. He's never been targeted? Well, the last two years. Okay, over the last two years, he did not, was not targeted a single time. He's a good,

but he is, But he is an extra offensive lineman. He is a true blocking tight end. Now, you've got guys like Greg Dulcich, who is just a receiver. I don't think they're going to be interested in that guy. But, you know, Chico Conco can block a little bit. A little bit. So we also have this chart, Katia, of, now this is trying to find a proxy for like,

how often are you used as a blocker? Okay. And what I use is is. fascinating to see what you're going to do here. Is the, no, this is the chart. I don't know if you have that one, yes. This is the percentage of time that you are asked to pass block. Okay.

So I think this is helpful because I'm not getting into grades. Right. But this is, you know, if you are on the field and you're asked to pass block, I think it means you can be trusted, right? We're not going to, every titan has to run block, even if they're not good at it. You know, Grand Calcutera's run block percentage is very high. Right. Because he's the second titan on the field.

Yep. But so this is the proxy. is. And so there are only a few guys there. And, you know, this is, it's hard for you guys to see the, that co-keefed on the- That's co-keef up there. You see him. Like, you pass blocking when he's on the field, but he's, he's not getting. So the guys who are in that top right section, there are only two. One of them is Adam Troutman. Yep. From the Broncos, who is an interesting player. What do you, what do you remember of your report on Adam Troubman? And are you aware of what you seen? I was high on Adam Troutman. He's honestly, he's turned into the player that I thought he could be,

coming out. He was a smaller school guy who was a kind of like a dual threat player at the position could be seen as like equal blocker, equal receiver. He was very pretty, for what I remember, was like a very productive player in college. But I thought that he had blocking chops. So yeah, that would be, well, let's keep the conversation going on. Okay. So the other one that's just above the line there is, I mentioned him earlier, Foster Moreau from the Saints. And to me, this is kind of like, I could sort of see it as this is our cheap solution. this guy could start for us in a pinch and we can definitely draft over him.

Yep. I think that's right. Here's what to me, because... So by the way, the X axis here is yards per round run. So you're seeing the top right there is guys who are above average in the efficiency of their receiving ability and also being asked to block. Yeah, that's crazy. It's zero for co-key.

Okay. What I love about this exercise and what I mean this exercise, this conundrum that the Eagles are in, where it's the you have direct. remake the entire room, is that there are a lot of different ways that could go.

To me, it's not necessarily about who is the number one tight end as more of it's like, what is the construction of the depth chart? If they go and get a Chigacanquo, they have to get a co-keef.

Right. When I think of the Green Bay Packers, one of the reasons why Tucker Kraft is awesome is because he is a really good blocker and a really good pass catcher. One of the reasons why Dallas Goddard has been so awesome, awesome is that he was a really good pass catcher and a really good blocker, and he was not a

really good blocker this year. So if you think that he is going to be a better blocker moving forward and you have the whys as to why he was not a good blocker last year, it would be really good if the Eagles could bring back to Alscotter. Right. It would be really good if you could. If you think that last year was an aberration, if you thought it was injury related, you know, being upset about the contract, whatever. And you make him whole and he's back and he's the blocker that he was. in 2024 and past that, that would be great. But I don't know if you can count on it. I don't know that they can get that done.

We talked about the likelihood. So when I look at the rest of these guys, do they go the Morrow Troutman route? It's also, it is fascinating from just a process standpoint. And again, it is reliant probably on what happens with Phillips, who we think is sort of the domino to set everything else out. Yeah. But do they, is there, is there eagerness to go out the first,

three days of free agency and pick your guy. And like we want Isaiah likely in our building for Charlie Kohler, who I'm surprised at the amount of money that he's expected to get. Or is it like, okay, there are enough guys who we can squint and see as a starting caliber tight end that we're going to wait until Friday or the second week of free agency. And if we can get Daniel Bellinger for $5 million or, you know, 210, then that's what we're going to sign up to do. And that's, to me, like, I'm looking at it. I'm like, all right. And because we know about like the cohabitation matrix, not to get too far ahead of tomorrow,

but like, all right, Josh Garzard comes from Tampa. And he really swears by co-keft. And it's like, oh, let's get co-keefed in the building. All right, well, you need someone that's going to give you some past game production as well. So now if we want to go with EJ's plan to bring in Chigua to pair with that, that's palatable. But if it's if you're like, oh, like, let's go to Foster Moreau. Let's get Kellyn Moore on the phone.

What did you think of Foster? You're only in the building with him one year. like, you know, what's the deal here? Oh, yeah, we really like him. He was outstanding off the field. Now you feel good about bringing him in, and that's your cheap answer, and then you hope he can get Sadiq.

I'm probably less inspired by that. I like Morrow. I like Foster Morrow, but I probably like him more as a two as opposed to three. And so to me, it's like, would you rather have all three guys be, or like really the top two,

would you rather the top two guys be Bs across the board? Or would you rather have an A blocker with an A receiver, and then you're able to pair those guys? Or is it more about just getting yourself in position so that you can attack whatever happens in the draft? Right. So, you know, Injoku would surprise me.

But, you know, let's say you get David and Joku in Kofed, and now you can do whatever happens in the draft. Like you've got your blocker, you've got your receiver, and now you're going to replace them both. And by the way, like, Joku is like not a bad blocker either. You know, like, when he was coming out, like, he wasn't like a terrible blocker. And even still, like, I would look at him and say, like, if you're going to play in that offense with what's Defansky had built for years, like, you've got to be able to block. So I, now the age and all that stuff.

Yeah. And I think one thing that we will talk through tomorrow and Thursday is, is from Howie's perspective, I think all of these guys, you have to, you have to convince yourself and understand why it is that they could be undervalued. Is there a path to getting excess value here? You know, Injoku, if he's coming off a bad season and you're just getting one good year out of him, you could sort of see that. Whereas like Kate Otten might be the best all-around player of these guys,

but I don't think you're going to be getting any surplus value from what he's going to go for. Yeah, I mean, I liked Kate Atten coming out of Washington. I thought he'd be a starter. I thought he'd be a three-down player. What is he going to go for? What do you think the APY is going to be on? I have a prediction for you here.

I've written it down for all the quacketology players so far. My projected term is for Kate Otten. So Jake Ferguson just got 12 and a half. I have 345, 30 guaranteed. So what's that? 15 a year. Yeah, I mean, like, so the Eagles just for context, the Eagles just gave Goddard 10 last year.

15 would put him ahead of what Evan Ingram got last year from Denver. That would put him ahead of what Mark Annen. Andrew's just got, he's an older player, but ahead of what Andrews just got, Colquemette just got 12 and a half. I just said Jake Ferguson just got 12 and a half. So you're raising the ceiling on that. I guess that's probably market value. I think so. I think that's probably fair. It's probably the most I would pay for him. Yeah. He's a nice player. He's just not, he's not like dynamic down the seam. He's really good underneath, like really good hands. And he's a good, he's a good blocker, legit good blocker. They could do worse. Yeah, but that's like, that's your

I know. That's your spend. And if you're losing, that thing is, would you rather, because I would imagine that cancels the Jalen Phillips contract if Phillips goes elsewhere. Right. You're not, right? Yeah, probably.

Probably. That would be big enough, I would think. Well, it then depends on NCOBE and. Because N'Cobo is, because I think. They could be in that same bracket. Yeah. Yeah. Because N'Cobo could go for about the same.

It's possible. Right. Yeah, but doesn't... And I don't know the comparals as well. Doesn't it take out the top contract? I think it's however... It's however, you know, it's the... Positive is negatives.

Right. Right. And then you cancel out by where they are. Okay. So if it's a tier... So let's say Otten's a fourth round level. Dean's a fifth round level. Phillips is a third round.

And I think it does cancel up the third. That's what I thought. But I think if it's third and a fourth, then I think you would still get the third. Okay. I could be wrong about that. And Lynch will yell at me if I'm wrong. And please do.

I can't wait for Monday. Monday will be fun. I know. It's going to be very exciting. If you are still tuned in this deep into the episode, hopefully you know that on Monday, we've got a three-hour opening a free agency extravaganza, 12 to three at least. We'll maybe continue if Eagles news warrants. But yes, very exciting.

Start a free agency. How is going to do some interesting stuff? It's very interesting. You really think so? Yeah. You think it's more likely that we're doing in a Jalen Phillips emergency pot or that he's going to do something that like, I don't say like Sequin Barclay, but like that catches us off guard on Monday.

Yeah, like I think it's more likely we're doing a Jalen Phillips emergency pot over the weekend. I think that's fair. I think that is probably fair. I just, if I'm Jalen Phillips. You want to hit the market? I want to hit the market. The best day of his life was when he got traded to the Eagles. Best thing that's ever...

I didn't say it. He said it. Best thing that's ever happened to me. In Katia, you got to know. He said this. He got traded. He goes, this is the best thing that's ever happened to me in my life. His wife? His fiancee is pregnant with their child. He's slated to get married this offseason. But this is the best thing that's ever happened to him in his life.

The baby hasn't been born yet. Right. Yeah. So it could overtake it. But up until now... Yeah. I don't know. Move like that, like sets up, sets him up to support the baby. Sure, sure.

I then asked him because he also, he got traded. He got traded right before the byweek. So he missed his byweek. This is the best thing that's ever happened in my life, but I did miss the biweek. And he said he was supposed to go to Cabo with his fiance, his pregnant fiance. And I was like, oh, so are you going to let her go? So he missed the baby moon? Get the time.

He's like, hell no. That's funny. It was good. Like the video, by the way. Not as many likes I would like to see you right now on the video. I think you're right. And let us know if there's a particular tight end that you're interested in the egos going after. I'm going to really quickly read them all to you.

Tell me if there's one that just hits your ear. Okay. Okay. Charlie Kohler. I'm just picking one. Or just say if I hear what I like. Yeah. Okay.

Daniel Bellinger. Stone Smart. My favorite description for a dumb person. I'd be fine for it, but, yeah. Foster Moreau, Austin Hooper, Adam Troutman, Isaiah Likeley, Dallas Goner, Greg Dulcich, Kyle Pitts, Noah Fant, Tyler Higby, Zach Ertz, Kate Otten, Chigo Conquo, Travis Kelsey, Tyler Conklin, David Njoku, John Fitzpatrick, Josiah Deguara, Jack Stoll, Durham Smyth, and Koufed.

Jack Stoll, for sure. For different reasons. But the thing is, with the Jalen Phillips side, if they bring Jalen Phillips back, then I want to go top of the market with Likeley or Otten. Oh, interesting. But if they lose Jailin Phillips

and I think I want to play it cheap. Yeah. So I want to get the third round pick. Okay. Isaiah likely is like he's like the the lowercase version of Kenyon Tadik. I think it's the same archetype. player. Like, he's really athletic.

When he was at Coast Carolina, he would go up on linebackers and safeties and bury them into the bench, like really fun blocker. And that's kind of what Sadiq is. But obviously, he fell to the fourth round. And Isaiah likely to me is you can convince yourself that even though we're paying a good amount, this guy has never been truly featured as the number one. We think that there was a lot more to come still for him. Yes.

That's, I can see that. He's the, you know, the Rodney McLeodd type of free agent. they've signed in the past where it's like a good player that we think can be a really good to great player. I think it would make sense. Yeah. All right. Looking forward to it.

EJ's in the chat. That means he's ready for tomorrow's episode of Quacketology. 32 players on offense. I got him bracketed, seated them based on projected total guarantees. Never been done before in Quacketology history. Poor Lindsay making all the graphics. he's so poor Lindsay that she's going to need some help from Ethan

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