PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Live from the League Meetings: Howie Roseman explains offseason as Tush Push ban vote looms

Episode Date: March 31, 2025

PALM BEACH, Fla. — Howie Roseman spoke Monday about the team’s decision to move on from C.J. Gardner-Johnson, re-sign Zack Baun, extend Saquon Barkley and let Dallas Goedert twist in the wind. Find out why he thinks this offseason makes sense as the team hopes to set the pieces up for a third trip down Broad Street. Plus, momentum seems to be gaining for the league to ban the Tush Push, which would probably cement the Eagles’ legacy as a team so good the league changed the rules on them. Join Zach Berman and Bo Wulf live from Florida. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

H-N-Y Eagles podcast live from not quite Palm Beach, where the big movers and shakers in the NFL are gathering at the breakers for the annual league meetings. It is Bo Wolf. It is Zach Berman. We have a lot to discuss. People want to know about your vacation, Zach. We'll save that for the end. I know you don't want to talk about that at the top.

We do have news. We talk to Harry Roseman today. Lots of whispers about the tush push. Did Howie and Sean McVeigh get into a fight last night about it? Who knows? We'll find out. Zach, how you doing? I'm doing great. I'm thrilled to be back, thrilled to be on the show, thrilled to be at the owners meetings.

So much to discuss. So much to discuss. Let's start with Harry Roseman. We spoke to Howard Roseman today for the first time since the Eagles did what they did in free agency. He spoke for the first time since the Combine, which was obviously before all of those cost-cutting measures, which he sort of previewed. And so he was able to sort of talk about some of the reasoning behind the big decisions they made the notable ones obviously c j gardner johnson the departure of milton williams and josh sweat the resigning of zach bonn the extension for saquan barkley the letting dallas goddard twist in the wind no resolution there yet lots of stuff to talk about what if you were writing a headline zach you're going to be writing about this for all the diehards on all p hl y dot com what would be your top

level takeaway from howie roseman the eagles are getting ahead of future decisions So this isn't a very good headline here. Eagles are getting ahead of... Eagles are getting ahead of future decisions. This just in. Here you, hear you. So here. So there's two big takeaways that I would give you.

The first being, and we've framed it this way throughout free agency, but hearing it out of Hallie Roseman's mouth, that they have, they've retained a lot of players the past two years. They have a lot of young players who are not a long-term deals who are coming up, in the next two, three years, and their decisions this offseason were about those two factors, were making sure that they're in position to extend the guys they want to extend in future seasons. And within the context of this offseason, and perhaps this is rationalization, perhaps this is a spin, is that they also factor in some of these extensions that they gave out in previous years, too.

So, but, you know, it was framed that if you just take C.J. Gardner Johnson, if C.J. Garland Johnson were to stay another year, every dollar they pay him would be a dollar that they wouldn't be able to pay to someone going forward. So it might not be apples for apples, but that's kind of the way it's framed, right? And then the second takeaway. Which is not exactly true, obviously. But, but, you know, from their budgeting, I suppose. And then the, yeah, then the second thing here is, is being completely non-committal about Dallas Goddard. And I think this is, this is relevant too, because the big decision looming this offseason is Dallas Goddard. And the way, you know, you and I have the benefit of covering Howie for a decade plus of having exposure to a lot of these owners meetings, of knowing how to kind of decipher a Howie answer. And if you look at it, Howie's answer about Hassan Reddick last year is probably quite comparable to Howie's Reddick, to Howie's answer. about Dallas Goddard this year. So that's a way of saying that I'm not expecting Dallas Goddard to be back. How he didn't say that, that's kind of the way it was framed.

And when did the Hassan Reddick resolution happen last year? Literally two days after the owner's meeting. Oh. So we're maybe the day after, depending on when you consider the owner's meeting ending. Okay. So maybe we're going to get that news this week, you think. Well, look, I mean, if perhaps Hallie Roseman and, you know, Chris Ballard are in the lobby at the breakers and he says, and Halley says, I so admire your job security. And Ballard says, I so admire your job security. And how he says, if you want to extend that, what do you think about Dallas Cotter?

And then, you know, and then for Kyle and Gras, what's the compensation? And then how he says, well, let's look at the Carson Wentz, press. from a few years ago. No. So, yeah, I think that I'm not expecting Dallas Goddard to be back. I don't think the Eagles will have, we'll pay a tight end, $14 million given kind of what they've spent elsewhere on the roster. Now, there is a world in which Dallas Goddard restructures the deal. I see in the chat, taking the, like, the Josh Sweat approach from last season, that could very well be the case. But my guess is that they're not planning on Goddard being back. Explain the Josh Schwett approach, essentially meaning that the Eagles and Dallas Goddard have agreed in all intensive purposes that the Eagles are not going to be willing to pay Dallas Goddard what he's making this year because of this cash cutting.

Dallas Goddard wants to be paid that amount. And so presumably the Eagles are letting Dallas Goddard see if there is someone who is willing to pay him that amount and then they can look for a trade potentially. But what are sort of the next steps? How does that all work? Yeah, so basically you outlined it well that they let Goddard pursue that. Goddard or his representative comes back and says, look, we're not able to get X, Y, and Z. What's the best price you're willing to pay? And if that price is more than he can find elsewhere, then he signs that with the understanding

that he'll be able to hit the open market next offseason. So that's essentially what happened with Josh Sweat. And I'll say it worked out swimmingly for Josh Sweat, right? Like he, now, I don't know what he was looking for. Very evocative. Swimming in a pool of sweat. Yikes. I don't know what he was looking for in terms of the number last off season.

But I can't imagine he would have gotten more last off season than he got this, then he got this, this, this March. So it worked out well for sweat. Maybe Goddard takes that approach. Different age profiles. I would think that, uh, probably wants to be in a situation where he can go somewhere and get paid right now. That's just me speculating.

But again, if he doesn't find that, then that changes the calculation. I think from a big picture standpoint, you know, the framing here is how do we get back to the Super Bowl? How do we win the third Super Bowl, right? And in their mind, part of the way to make that happen is making sure that some of the bets that they have made on young players over the past three drafts hit. Right. And so they have to clear some room for those guys. That's not to say that someone like Sydney Brown is going to be the starting safety or Tyler Steen is going to be the starting right guard, but they want to give those guys chances. You know, Howie has said in the past, he wants to, you know, and as you have framed it, well, Zach, they want to pay A plus players, A plus money. And they don't want to pay B plus players a money. And that's part of the reason that you would let a guy like C.J. Garland and Johnson go. And I asked Taddy Roseman about like whether this is a Jeffrey Lurie directive. to cut cash spending because you look at it from the outside.

There is a, there is a, you know, they say, you can say that every dollar you spend on C.J. Gardner-Johnson can't be spent somewhere else. That's not exactly true with the salary cap the way it is, right? And so Howie Roseman is never going to put anything like that on Jeffrey Lurie. But I would be surprised if that is not part of the case here. I mean, I think we can say without, without Jeffrey saying it himself, and maybe we will ask him about this tomorrow, that there's no doubt that part of this is the budget has changed, even acknowledging the fact that they have been a top three cash spending team, you know, over the past five years or whatever it is.

I mean, I'm not going as far as to say it's changed. I'll say that they're certainly budget conscious here and whether that's, that's, because I, I mean, the reason I'm hesitant here is I don't know what they have earmarked for next season, right? Like if I don't want to say that the budget, changed and then they they give jam on carter a 40 million dollar contract and nolan smith a 20 million dollar contract and then you know so but certainly this offseason that's that's the way that they're operating here and actually i thought your question was really good and i thought how he's answer had a line in there that um was pretty bold he said he said this is our vision on how to win

our third super bowl we've a bunch of young players that we'd like to retain we have a lot of players in our current roster that we think are at the top of their game. And so we felt like this was the moment where we had to make some tough decisions with some guys that had meant a lot to this team. It was not a directive. Yeah, I mean, I can get there if you're thinking about, for instance, you know, the arc of Nolan Smith's season last year.

A guy who started the year was, you know, fourth in the defensive end rotation and, you know, wasn't that great and then gets a lot better over the course of the season and is awesome. And maybe you can convince yourself that because we have, Sequin Barclay and A.J. Brown and Devante Smith and Lane Johnson and Jordan Milata and Jalen Hurts that this is an opportunity for us to take along some guys who might need a little bit of seasoning and still be one of the better teams in football and then potentially a guy like

Sidney Brown does get better over the course of the season or whoever they draft us here. Maybe it's a tight end in the first or second round and that guy, you know, changes the offense a little bit. It is an opportunity for them to get younger while still competing. But I also think it would be ignorant to pretend as if, as if, you know, the actual cash is not, is not a factor. Yeah, no, I mean, you are right. Like, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I also think that when you talk about the evolution of Howie, uh, one thing that jumped out when he was speaking about Zach Bond and Sequent Barclay. And this goes to what we were spoken about a moment ago that, uh, I, uh, I think Howie's approach is like star players, star players, A plus players, because I'm not sure that even if they had the cap space, they would have paid Milton Williams $26 million a year. Because I don't think they viewed Milton Williams as a $26 million a year player, even though that's a more premium position.

But Howie said, for instance, I'm just looking at my notes here regarding Sequin Barclay and Zach Bond. and I thought it was a fairly telling quote that he said, we say running back or linebacker and traditionally, we haven't done that. I mean, these are difference-making players. These are guys who are some of the best players on their side of the ball in the league, and those guys are impossible to replace. So I think there's a delineation.

And that is your framing of A-plus guys. Like that is what he's saying. Exactly. So that there's difference-making players who you're going to spend on, and then your guys who are B players, you're not going to pay B players A money, even if they play A positions, if that makes sense. Now, I do think that, you know, they might have, if these weren't humans, right? If these were just numbers on a spreadsheet or players in a video game, maybe they would have been more aggressive during the season and trying to, and this is actually a question you asked about Zach Bonn and trying to extend Bonn or trying to extend Williams, right?

but there's a lot of dynamics at play here and and this is something you were on going back to when they didn't give extensions out two years ago they're very mindful of the human dynamics here is that if you prioritize one player during the season you don't prioritize another player during the season then that player you didn't prioritize essentially views himself as like an independent contractor like what am i playing for even though they're all essentially independent contractors yeah i do think the situation was a little different two years ago because it happened to be that they had guys that like each position group. Remember, like, T.J. Edwards and Kaiser White, C.J. Guarron Johnson and Marcus Epps, which is, I think, a little bit more delicate than it might have been this season. I still think that, like, going back to last off season, I would imagine they tried to extend Milton Williams and Milton maybe figured he was so close to free agency that it wasn't, you know, he wanted to find out what his number was. That's one where I think they might still regret it a little bit because I don't imagine that 26 was the number, you know, a year ago at this time. But those, you know, I think they, I think they realized early on that Zach Bond was an A player

for them and that they were going to prioritize bringing him back. And then that means given the roster construction that they have had for so long, if you're allocating that much money to linebacker, you do have to borrow from somewhere else. You're right. And in terms of borrowing from somewhere else, the other big takeaway here is they're going to let their young guys play. And how he has been on record saying this. He was on record last combine. He was on record this combine.

He even said at the combine a few weeks ago, like it's going to be even more pronounced. He used to word pronounced. It's going to be even more of the case. But in the example of C.J. Garner Johnson, for instance, now Sidney Brown's not guaranteed a job. But they don't want Sidney Brown to essentially be blocked. Right. And I think there are spots where they don't want some of these guys to be blocked. They want some of these young guys to play. And it's what we talked about at Corner with Keely Ringo, at Guard with Tyler Steen, where they're going to have competition, right?

Like, Sydney Brown is not going to be unimpeded for that job, whether it's a draft free agent, whether it's a bargain free agent, whether it's a post draft free agent. But I don't think they're going to sign someone or draft someone who is. like day one definitely ahead of Sydney Brown. And I think there's multiple spots on the field where they're going to want some of these draft picks to play. I think the way they see it is they have eight guys from past future ass who are going to be competing for spots in the starting lineup. And I think that's the big deal here is like they want these young guys to play. And it all goes back. Now, we can say it goes back to the cash spending, but it goes.

back from my perspective to the distribution, to how they're distributing resources now. And I've been on this storyline for a year now that they are taking away that middle class of player. And they are, they will something in, I think how we said this today, like, you know, the amount of guys that they have making 15 million plus, right? And it's probably disproportionate to the rest of the league. And that was on the record and we said that. And, and, And then there are, like, I don't know about it proportional to the rest of the league, but they have a high volume of players making 15 million plus. And the flip side of that is you need some guys on cost-controlled rookie deals.

And so those are going to be draftings. Let me do an impromptu exercise with you. This is going to be difficult because we're going to rank seven different things. But having talked to Howie today, having a sense of the roster, I want you to rank how comfortable you think how he is with the current state of seven different positions. Oh, I like this. Okay. So you've got-

I'm ranking the positions or I'm- In order, in order. I will read them off to you. You can think about it. So on offense, there are two. There's right guard or you can make it offensive line as a whole if you want, and there's tight end. And then you've got every position on defense.

You've got defensive tackle. You've got to replace Milton Williams. You've got edge. You've got to replace Josh Schwett. You got linebacker. Who's going to start next to Zach Bond? You've got cornerback. How do we feel about Kili Ringo?

And you've got safety. Is Sidney Brown ready for primetime? So those seven things, how comfortable do you think how he is heading into week one? Essentially, how willing would he be to enter training camp tomorrow as is? Yeah, so number one is defense to tackle, I would say. And that might seem counterintuitive because, you know, we've talked about them taking a detackle on the first round. I think that has a lot to do with value and the prior, you know, the importance of that position. position.

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Good chance to check that out on all p.hly.com. Well, said, and credit to Paul, ball really carried the load with that. You've got defensive tackle at the top. I think I agree with you, but go ahead and finish. And so two points here. And Professor Selman pointed this out that if you just look late in the season, the amount of playing snobs, the amount of playing time that Moro Jima was getting, it was like comparable to Milton Williams, right, late in the year or pretty close. And so I, look, Milton Williams is a terrific player.

I'm not going to be smirch Milton Williams by any means, $26 million player a year. He earned it. I'm like smooch Milton Williams. But I don't know if the Eagles consider that as much as the drop off as the salary might indicate going from Milton Williams to Moro-Ojima. Whether they are clouded by the investment or not, I still think they are expecting more from Jordan Davis. I think they are expecting Jordan Davis to reach another level. Whether that happens, I can't tell you that's going to happen. And then obviously, Giannan Carter is a premium player in the NFL.

So I think they feel comfortable with those three guys. And then there's obviously Thomas Booker. I imagine they add. But if they have to play with those three guys, I think they'd be comfortable with that. Okay. My next one here, I'll probably say, I'd say Edge. I don't feel strongly about that.

But Nolan Smith and J. Elton, I know they'd like those two guys. They've done some papering. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they took two dart throws here, Josh Uche. I asked Howie about Josh Uchay. He was tight on time. He didn't give much. He spoke to Dave Spadero, I guess, before he came down here to Florida.

And he said that he's someone that they tried signing last year. That would have helped, of course, in Quakotology a year ago when we were high on Josh Uchay. And then they tried trading for him this past, or they considered trading for him this past season. and then Aziz O'Jolari, someone who, you know, we both obviously thought highly of, and then they could still add to that position. And, of course, Bryce Huff is still a $17 million year player for them, right? My next one here, actually, no, over edge. I would go corner.

I would have done corner to. Yeah, I'll go corner over edge, not that I think about it. Keeley. And the way he was talking about Adora Jackson, he spoke about it. Adore, like, Adorey's not shot. Like, he still thinks, Adori might, or I hope not. The way he was filmed or not like, not finished.

You know, he talked about how twitched up Adore is. And he said that he's someone who feels he hasn't played his best ball. Like, if you say that in the context of Kenyon Green, I understand it. Adore Jackson's had eight years. Yeah, he was talking about him like he was a young guy. Yeah, he said like eight years to play his best ball. It hasn't happened. I don't know if it's going to, but obviously,

Keith Lee Ringo is still there. So, yeah, so I, and then top of the depth chart with Quinnion, Mitchell, Cooper, the Gene, you feel strongly about that. So then edge three. You've got defensive tackle one, cornerback to edge three. Find out how the rest of Zach's rankings for those positions. Pairs out, pans out, flushes out. I don't know, find out after the break.

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Mike has a great team. He was the number one seed. And I was unlike the little engine that could, okay? I traded, I traded Luca earlier this year because his contract, I guess me had Nico Harrison, but mine was founded, right? I traded Luca. You didn't want a beer drinker on your team. No, no.

I wasn't going to be able to protect him next year. And so at the deadline, I was trying to get something for him. I got a first round pick next year, which is hard to get in our league. And my team seemed down in the dumps. But then through some strategic signings and the benefit of a bunch of NBA teams tanking late in the year, and so you can pick up a guy like quitting Grimes, and he, you know, he's, you know, average is 30 points. And I was rolling, man. And so I win my first playoff matchup. And now here I am, Cinderella in the semifinals. And I'm a new, I'm picking up A.J. Johnson on a back-to-back with

Washington and campaign on a back-to-back with the Knicks and trying to do all these different maneuvers. And I had puncher's head-to-head categories. It's head-to-head, yeah. Yeah, head-to-head categories. Had a puncher's chance going into last night, right? Like there, I had seven guys playing. He had three guys playing. And when I got on my flight in the morning, he had not used his transactions because he has like players you don't want to cut, right? There's only five transactions a week in this league. I was taxing through. And so I was like, you know what? I can make up ground in this category, in that category, in that category.

And then at dinner last night, still hasn't added somebody. And by the time I get back to dinner, he added three guys in the night games. He cut like rosterable players because I think he saw that I was coming. And then, and Quentin Grimes did not,

and Quentin Grimes did not play, the Eagles, the word, sorry, the Sixers, rested Quentin Grimes. And so I lost, I lost five to three. And man, that, that was, that was, this tie just go to the higher seed?

Would he have won a four, four, four tie? Okay. I would not, he would have won a four four tie, but there were, the,

there were two categories, um, points and rebounds where I could have, I could have taken it if, if not for those transactions. If crimes had played, would you, would you,

would you, was it that close? If Grimes had played, I don't think I would have put it. If he didn't add, he added Bona and he added Oscar Robinson, uh, um,

not Oscar. Robert and Oscar Robertson. And so look, I got to give him credit. He was the better team. He deserved the win. But I did, I did text Gonzo yesterday. John, I got to fight. I got a punch a chance here. And it did not happen. Oh, well, you put up a good effort. I put up a good effort. And now, who does he play in the finals? I think he plays, he plays legs. I'm not sure. I got to I got looked it up. Yeah, I was pretty busy this morning. I didn't check the other.

I feel like around the PHOI offices, I feel like you don't do enough lording over Bodner that you have a better team than him. He's not in the league anymore. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. He's no longer in the league.

Otherwise, I love talking fantasy hoops, fantasy baseball. It's a passion of mine. All right. So we just you finished off talking about corner. And before we get back to these rankings, we have a super chat from John who says, do you think the Eagles will sign Assante Samuel Jr. after the draft sack? I got to see how the draft shakes out, right? Like last year, the Eagles don't sign Mackay Beckton if they drafted an offensive lineman

in the first three rounds probably, right? Now, I don't know if Eagles are going to draft a corner earlier or not. And I don't know if they feel they need to push it at all in terms of drafting a corner. but I think after the draft, a lot of that depends on what they do with their picks. What are you doing? Oh, baby, baby, baby. I'm going to push it.

Oh, okay. Push it real good. Okay. Linebacker safety, tight end, right guard are the four positions you have. have left. What is next up in how it feels good about it, doesn't need to change it necessarily? I say this reluctantly, but probably linebacker because they have a blue chip guy there in Bonn. Dean's been back at some point. Jeremiah Trotter Jr. is a fifth round pick, and I think that's a

position where you can find somebody. You know, there's whether it's in the draft or someone lingering on the market, I think you can find a second linebacker. Now that they have their first linebacker, I think they're okay. Yeah, I think this depends on the way that you would frame the question. Like I think there's no chance that the Eagles will go into training camp without having added anybody at linebacker. They're obviously not done there. But I also don't think that Howie is as concerned about it as he is.

Exactly. Yeah. Now, maybe Vigangio is, but, but Howie, yeah, I don't think How is. There will be veterans they can sign. There will be undrafted for agents they can add to compete. And I, you know, they could draft a day three guy. But we'll see. Yeah, Howie's like Vic.

I just paid more money into a line. than anyone than any linebacker in my career. So yeah, you got your guy, right? Then next year, next year I'll say right guard because you have Jeff Stoutland. Tyler Steen's entering year three needs to obviously needs to take a, he needs to be more consistent, needs to take a step. Kenyon Green's an upside guy. I don't think that they view it just like you go to Stoutland University and you become

a 10 million dollar year player. But I think that they view Kenyon Green's. arena is a first round pick a few years ago. I think Howie said that today, that they weren't surprised. He went on the first round. They did a lot of work on him. He was like six weeks overall. Of course they weren't surprised he was a first round pick.

So 15, yeah. So I think that they could probably get by at right guard. You're playing between Cam Juergens and Lane Johnson. Okay. I agree with you. Tight end or safety next? Probably safety. I would go safety at the bottom.

bottom. But we're splitting. I was going to go tight end to bottom because they're not going to keep Goddard and you need to bring in somebody and you're not going to sell me on. Look, he talked about how Colin Granson reminds me of Trey Burton. I like Trey Burton. Strait Burton is not, you know, you're not building your offense around Trey Burton at tight end. And then similarly, they talked about how Harrison Bryant's developed more as a blocker than they evaluated him out of FAU. So how he not were on the safe waybank there in the sense that when the legal signed Bryant, I was like, not much for a blocker because I was thinking

of him coming out of FAU, right? And then he has- I hadn't grounded that Raider film. And then, of course, Grant Galkder is someone who they like, but I think when you just look at that position, they need more there. And obviously, they need more at safety, but you're returning your starter in Brie Blankenship and Sidney Brown, someone who should take another step. I could be wrong there, but I'm going tight end the bottom of this list. Okay.

Yeah, I would have just said, I would have had, again, it sort of depends on the framing. Like I don't think that they're as concerned about it because I feel like they think they will get someone in the draft potentially. But safety, I feel like they're like they're not ready. They're not going to line up tomorrow with Reed, Sidney Brown, and Tristan McCollum as their top three at safety. Agree with you there. Okay. Anything else from Howie Roseman that is worth getting into? I know you're going to write about it more on.

on all page at y.com. Yeah. Just speaking about some of the incoming players, you know, like I kind of, I try to do rapid fire this, this time of year, like I say. And we were playing a little defense because you'd already done it on Philadelphia Eagles.com. Yes, yeah. Well, good point. So I mentioned Kenyon Green.

He said they did a lot of work on him. Wait a second. Speaking about playing defense, whatever happened to your actual basketball league? Oh, we lost in the playoffs. I did not play well. Were you there? Or was it when you were on vacation? Yeah, no, it was the Monday before I left. And I just never asked you about it?

My fault. That's a bad job by me. No, no, no, there's nothing to ask. I let my team down this year. I got to decide, honestly, if I'm going to play next year or not. Because I get to miss a lot of time from, you know, the playoffs. If they go, you miss the Combine Week. You miss the, I missed the Super Bowl week. They have Monday night games, and it's not fair to my team.

Like, not that I'm good, but just from like a substitution perspective, if I miss five games a year, right? You're up front about that, though, right? Well, I was on a different team this year, so I don't know if my captain knew, but look, it's not like I have a major material effect and that's winning or losing. Okay. Speaking of you being said, people did want to know what your reaction was when you saw the Matt Prior News come across the wire while you were on vacation. I was like good scoop by McLean. And yeah, I mean, that sounds like good scoop by McLean. Is that what people are referring to? No, just like that you weren't. Yeah. Why was I upset? Oh, that I wasn't. Well, you weren't, you weren't around to be reporting it.

Yeah. Well, more the Kendall Lamb one. Oh, really? I wanted to be more, yeah, more than, because I know about prior. Like, I covered him. I can give you, you know, 60 seconds on prior. I probably wasn't in position to give you 60 seconds on a lamb. And so usually I like to send a text or two out, say like, all right, you know, give me some intel on this guy. And I couldn't really do that when I was away. Fortunately, the world kept spinning.

The world did keep spinning. That is for sure. And we made that clear to me. All right. What else did you have from Howie to discuss? I think, like, Howie didn't say this, but just in kind of reading between the lines, if you're looking for a reason for optimism about this team right now, or at least the way they view it, I think the way they look at it is there's a lot of attention paid to the guys who've left

and not enough attention paid to the guys who are here. And I think they view it like, yeah, I mean, there's this fixation on you lost CJ Gardner Johnson, you lost Josh Sweat, you lost Milton Williams. And internally, my guess is they're thinking they have A.J. Brown, Devonte Smith, Sequin Barclay, Joe, and Hurts, Lane Johnson. And I said this on Anthony's show a few weeks ago. And, like, I stand by, and I think that's how they think about it, that this is still,

this is still like perhaps the most talented team in the league or one of the most talented teams in the league, even with the players who are gone. And I think that they're going to be aggressive in, you know, moving picks around. And how he said this on the record today in terms of he was asked about the currency of these graphics. And he's like, yeah, they can always move them for players, right? So from their perspective, I don't think they are finished. Certainly this is not a year when they went out.

and it was headlined by free agent signings, like last year, how it was up front about this. But I don't think there is this, I don't think there's concern about the roster internally. I think any concern about the roster would just be natural. And we talked about this. A lot of things went their way last year from a health perspective. They got like the best case scenario performance. I assume from Sequin Barclay, from Zach Bonn from a number of other players. And it's just you can't count on that, right, happening every single season.

Sequin hasn't been as healthy as he was last year in his previous stop. So there's a lot of variables, but I don't think they look at their roster inside that building right now. And they're like, oh, God, this is the year where we're taking a step back. I don't think they view it that way. Yeah, and if you think about the, you know, the decision making, turning the roster over to the young guys, you know, they're not in the business of wasting prime years of A.J. Brown and, you know, Devante Smith and Sequin Barclay, right? Like, those guys are only going to be elite, elite for so long. They're not going to throw those years away. They're just, they're trying to figure out a way to do it a little bit differently. Sure. You're right. And, and so I think that clearly, there was a message to how he was trying to convey. It was a message that we've kind of put in our words, I think, our kind of spin on it during the past few weeks.

But hearing you come out of his mouth about, I don't want to say like a reset financially, but kind of like a hold on financially here because they're expecting to pay a lot next season. Gotcha. Before we get to the next ad read, Zach, why don't you sort of set the scene for? for people. What is the owner's meetings like right now? What's going on with the breakers? Give us the smells. Give us the tastes. Well, the smells. It's a good smelling like the bathroom soap there is good, right? So you always, that's a good, that's a good indication of a nice place. But they move the coaches meetings, the coaches breakfasts from like a nice part of the hotel to a different tented area trying to keep the unwashed media hordes, you know, separated from the, you know,

the elites who are staying at the breakers. And so that is beginning to take on a bit of a musty smell. Although I will say typically I would have your, I would share your sentiment there. Of all my owners meetings, I've only covered one at the breakers before this. And it was the worst coach as breakfast because don't you remember you weren't at the table with them. they were on those risers in that room. So it was at least spread out. Yeah, so at least they were sitting down, right? That was, of course, the famous coach's breakfast when about two weeks before the Eagles

traded for AJ Brown, Nick Siriani was explaining to us that the offense was going to have to get more touches for Quez Watkins. Exactly, yes. Yeah, that was the big sentiment. It was that really they have Devante Smith and Dallas got her here. So they don't need that a wide receiver, even though Calvin Ridley. they were interested in and yeah and now in robinson they were interested in yeah um what's so so basically this is i've said this in the past i hope we have new new viewers and new listeners so i'll say it again

this is my favorite event on the nfl calendar bar not you love to hobnob with the elites it's like on that yacht mr rich man no i i like it because it's it's efficient you're here for two, three days, you know you're getting access, right? You're not, so you're definitely getting the head coach. It used to be an hour. Now it's a half hour, unfortunately. The Eagles, you know, Howie Roseman speaks, Jeffrey Lurie speaks, right? So you can plan that.

You're not like there used to be a time where I was chasing this owner from hallway to hallway, right? At least you know that's coming. It's a relaxed atmosphere. Right? Number two, number three, there's substantive things to talk about. I'd say the combine from a media perspective. Combine is great from my relationship perspective. It's overrated from a media perspective because nothing has happened yet. They're not going to tell you anything. Like they purposely go up there and up to skate, right? Whereas here, they can be a little more substantive because there are things that have happened. You have the better sense of what

your roster is post-free agency. So I like that. And I just find that I have better conversations with people sitting around, whether it's in a hotel lobby, then in a crowded bar where you're kind of trying to maneuver for space, right? So this is more conducive for my comment. conversation in my relationship building. I find and then yeah, and it's just efficient. I I always leave these events like kicking myself, things I wish I did better, but I feel as if that happens less often at the owners meetings than at the combine. Interesting. But to set the scene for you, it's every NFL owner, every, well, not every, every NFL owner, owner slash like operating, you know, decision maker. Like Paul Allen used to not come to this, right? But like the person making decisions in Seattle did.

Every GM is here. Every head coach is here. Now they come with their families. But there's what you don't have. And then the team presidents and some of the people from the business side, what you don't have is, like the scouts aren't here, assistants aren't here. So it's a different, it's different for the relationship building part of it,

but it is a much more relaxed environment relative to some of the other events, senior goal owners, or I'm sorry, and the combine. Yeah. But I would like it if we were able to like some of the logistic perspectives, like stay where they stay or closer to where they stay. You do that. No, no, there is, there was one, the owner's beings in Orlando, it's connect, the Rich Carlton's connected to another hotel where they had media, they used to have advertised media rates. They no longer have that.

But that was, that was great because you can just go to your room and back down. Here, you're staying off site, off, off premises. And yeah, it's becoming more and more detached from when it used to be that way. And of course, tonight is the big bash when they intermingle, you know, the slabs and the billionaires together. I view this is like the Bo Wolf night. You kill it here. Please. Yeah, you got it.

Yeah, you're, you're very good in that setting. You give you a drink in hand and yeah, you're enjoying yourself. I mean, not on the inside. Oh, you can't tell. All right. Let's take a quick break. Come back and we've got to get to all of the rumors of Brown tomorrow's vote for whether the NFL is going to ban the pushing of that tush. So we were out in between availability earlier.

And as I was walking down the hall at the breakers, I overheard and witnessed this exchange where there was one guy sort of a costing. one of the other general managers. He's like, I'll give you, I'll give you money if you'll vote against the touch push. We've got to get rid of this thing. We've got to stop the Eagles right where they are. My name is Ray.

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What did you think? It's a very good sandwich. Got the Carpaccio. with the fried onions and the balsamic. Very good. Close to perfect. Not quite perfect. Okay.

All right. Very good. Very good. It wasn't evenly spread enough. There were bites that were too all carpaccio and not enough. Like you need the crunch with it. I thought maybe actually, interestingly, a little less of the carpancho would have gone a long way. There were some bites that were.

Interesting. You don't want too much carpancho in a bite. But a fantastic sandwich. I'm going to go back tomorrow for a different sandwich to try one out. It was great recommendation. I appreciate that. I take my food recommendation seriously. I would not vouch for something if I didn't feel strongly about it.

And I feel very strongly about the sandwich spot. It was very, that was like an A-Slas-A-minus sandwich, I would say. That's high praise. An A-A-A-A-M-A. Okay, that's like a Sequant-Parkley sandwich. Yeah. Yeah, I would get it again. Awesome.

Sank one was an 8 plus. Don't pull a day and is on me. Fair enough. Okay. True or false, Harry Roseman and Sean McDermott and Sean McVeigh and John Ferrari got into a tag team wrestling match last night at the Breakers. One of them broke a bottle and, you know, threatened to shove it in the other one's neck

and the other one threw a chair like, you know, was this a steel cage match? Barb wire, what did we got going on? I can't tell you. First off,

shout out to our former colleague, Kailen Kailer. She does a great job covering the league. She gets the stories. Two weeks in a row now we've named drop to Kailen. That people wish they got. And she gets it. So good work,

good work by Kailen. You can read her work at ESPN.com documenting what occurred. And now this. this is a more divisive issue than it should be from my perspective. But Sean McDermott is someone who's on the competition committee who says that he wants this band, citing player safety, health and player safety, even though from my understanding there's not data that suggests this is an issue. I think it's more anecdotal than it is like quantitative here or empirical. The point they're saying the point is like the push makes them,

susceptible to a neck injury, but yes, that has not happened. Yes. And just it's been, there's different coaches who have different perspectives on this. I was at Andy Reed's table today, and Andy Reid was like, you know, he's going to defer to his medical staff. And I think him saying that's probably a meaning that they're going to vote against us, right? And then, you know, like Kevin Stefansky's like, you know, I don't want it overturned, you know. there you go, Nick. Nick said that Stuyken and Gannon and Moore got their jobs because of this play.

It's what he told Mike Arafo. Stikin said today that he's for the play. Yeah. So this is going to come down to, this is going to come down to vote tomorrow. How does it work? They need 24 votes in order to pass? Yeah, two thirds. And Kailen says that there's growing support that this is going to get, that this is going to

pass. So we'll see. This was this is something that yeah, I'm I'm curious to see. It's obviously it's going to be a big story tomorrow. The Eagles have been on record for a period of time here stating that like it's a play of skill and that it's it's kind of an insult to them to suggest that it's not a football play. Like they practice it, they strategize with it. I don't think I I don't think aesthetically it might be like the most pleasing play to watch, but I don't think it's not a football play. Yeah, it's a football play. It's just, they're not going to run it, you know, 90 times a game.

And not every team's effective at it. So, yeah, I'm curious to see. Yeah, my point remains the same that I could understand banning, pushing offensive players who have the ball. that used to be the case. Like that would make sense to me, but to single out this one specific play, this very specific use case,

and the way that it is written, which would be very hard to litigate, seems very silly to me for a play that is not used that often. Yeah. I do. And the play that frankly doesn't really have that great of an effect on the outcome of the game, because you're talking about like a play that would probably be,

if the Eagles convert a touch push, 90% of the time. And if they ran a quarterback sneak, they would convert that, what, 75% of the time? And we're talking about like one play that it's just one first down. It's not a play that's changing

win probability in any significant manner. Yeah. I agree to hear it. But I disagree with the sentiment. My former colleague, the Inquirer Marcus Hayes, has a column today. And it's a fine column.

I just disagree. with it that this is like an anti-egals approach here that if this was a different team having success with the play they wouldn't be drummed up i don't think this is anti-eagles i just think it's a play that is that it's polarizing because not every team executes it well right and uh and and like i said aesthetically it's it's it's not what some people consider to be a football play now i don't know what you qualify as a football play. To me, it's a play that happens in a football game that's legal within the context of football. Therefore, it's a football play.

But I understand it's not as graceful as a big run or a pass. I think there is, I think there is an anti-Eagle sentiment to it. And it doesn't even have to be explicit because I think part of it is the Eagles are always on TV. And so people are always talking about this play. If it was the, you know, if it was the Jacksonville Jaguars who were successful at this play, you know, the league would most of the league would be seen it two times a year, right? So I think

that's part of it. And I also think it is fair to point out that this was a topic of conversation when the Eagles lost in the Super Bowl. When the Eagles were bad last year, this was not a topic of conversation at the league meetings. They didn't talk about this last year. And then now they won the Super Bowl and it's back in the zeitgeist again. So. It's a good point. Yeah. It's a good point.

I mean, I mean, there has been a ground swell to overturn this going back three years. But yeah, the fact that this is a written proposal and it's going to be voted upon tomorrow. It is like the biggest story here at the owners meetings, which is interesting. It's the perfect owners meeting story because it like, it is the, it is like this is Roger Godell's dream. Is there to be something of this little significant to the actual game when there are real other questions to discuss?

And this is what is taking up the oxygen. and people feel really strongly one way or the other. It is like, you know, Roger is very hard about this whole thing. It must be very excited. It's a great point, Bo. Because, yeah, I mean, I've covered owners meetings where the big stories, the big stories, it's like Deshawn Watson is and something, you know, yeah, the one way when we were at Florida a few years ago,

like Deshaun Watson was the biggest story. Remember that? Yeah. And then, you know, there's time. There's going to be a big announcement that. The smoke is going to come out of the chimney tomorrow. They're going to say we are officially banning the tush-bush, and then in the very bottom of the press release,

they're going to be, oh, by the way, we got rid of the Rooney Rule. I mean, it's actually, look, I don't want to get into, like, other people's stories before they've written it, but there's a reporter who I really respect, who's working on a story, actually, of that ilk. And it has to do more with some, like, legislation, national, you know, potential legislation nationally and how that could affect, you know, whether it's symposiums or, yeah, but like real honest to God stuff here, right? And so I'm at a table where that's being asked.

And the coach is like, I don't know. I don't know about that. But then it's like, what are your thoughts on the tush push? And then he answers that question like five times, right? So you are absolutely correct that it is such a, it is a story that the NFL craves because, because this is the lead of every team. It's like, if they ban it, it won't affect anybody's life, right?

It won't. The Eagles will move on. You know, the Eagles will, like you said, the Eagles will run quarterback sneaks. They'll be successful with those quarterback sneaks for short yardage. They'll be fine. I do think it adds to the myth, like the legend of that Eagles team. It makes them a, it gives them a better legacy.

If they won the Super Bowl, one of the best teams of all time, and the league had to change the rules to try to stop them, even though it didn't really have that much of a material effect on them winning the Super Bowl. You're right. But it is like, you know, and it's something I've spent a lot of time thinking about this. Like, should I have a stronger opinion on this? And should I be doing more about this? But to me, A, it's an eventuality, right?

Like, it's going to be voted upon. And then B, yeah, I've been pretty clear. I think it's a football play. But I don't. This isn't something that, like, I'm up in arms about. out, right? And there's, there's so many other things that I think about more so than the brotherly shove or however you want to frame. But it is every table you went to today, it is every coach is being asked about it. And I actually shudder here because like we talked

Nick Siriani tomorrow. We have 30 minutes. There's like real substance things I want to ask Nick Siriani. I already know what Nick's going to say. I can send you Nick's answer about the quarterback's. Like he's, he's been on record multiple times about this. but I respect everyone has a job to do, right? And there's many people who come to the table. And so we're going to get like three questions in about their safety situation or their right guard situation or whether Cooper Gene is playing the slide or the outside or about how their offseason is going to be different this year coming off the Super Bowl.

Like there's real substantive things that want to ask Nick tomorrow. But invariably, it's going to be about the brotherly shove. A very good question from our benefactor CDP, who I believe I saw here. at the Breakers, you know, he's hobnobinant with the billionaires. That's the kind of man that he is. He says, Jalen Hertz donates air conditioning to schools for every touchdown. Is this tush-push ban an attempt to hurt the Philadelphia youth so they won't realize that their elders have failed them?

I think CDP is on to something. I give Jalen Hertz credit for doing this, and I wish this wasn't a problem in Philadelphia public schools. I've spoken to Philadelphia Public School student about this. And it's like a real, honestly got problem, especially in September and not as much, but you get some September days and then a little bit of June. But no air conditioning. Like I said, in the rephrase hardware, when you don't have AC, you feel it. And so, no, it's good that Jaylon does that. But if they do ban this, yeah, there will be fewer donations.

I hope the other owners step up. I hope the other owners who banned this will step up and contribute in jail instead. Good point from Smitty, who says, speaking of the youth, it is important to note that Kili Ringo, of course, is very young, so much so that he's actually a year younger than Quinyan Mitchell, who entered the league a year after he did. For more on that, you can check us out. At overtime, of course, one of the rule proposals for tomorrow.

Yep, correct. There you go. Any other stories from the vacation that you'd like to share, Sack? People are very- Stories from vacation. Yeah, I had a great, my kids had a great time. My wife had a great time. I went on a cruise. There was like 30-plus, you know, from my family, cousins and, you know, grandparents. Like there, there was a lot of, there were a lot of kids. There are 16 kids. And they love that. this, right? And you're on, you know, you're on a ship with like 6,000 people. It's basically like a city in the water, right? And so, yeah, it's, I wouldn't call it like a relaxing getaway, per se, but it was, it was a great time. How do you do with Cruz? How do you do with Cruz life? Yeah, honestly, I went on a cruise when I was younger, I haven't been on in a long time.

So it's I'll tell you what, it's a lot different when you're a parent. But my son was obsessed with this and loved it and was, uh, was most of the time spent on the boat or were there lots of excurs? There were three ports. Yeah, there were three ports. So you're there for seven days. There are three ports. And so there were three full days on the ship and then three days at a port. so like half half and half but the good thing is it's self-contained right so so the days when you're at the ship there's more autonomy for the kids than maybe it would be if you were you know down the

shore or in in florida or something like that um and yeah there's so much for the kids to do it was it was great for the kids i did um you know i caught up and all the or i was keeping up with all the P-H-L-Y-Eagle shows, but I made a vow to myself that I didn't want to be that person who is like sending notes about the shows when he's not there. I thought that's like the person looking over your shoulder. Like, I didn't think that was appropriate. So I listened as a viewer. And then I'll say this, because it came up on Anthony's show a few weeks ago that I am working on a book. right now. I haven't said that on our show, but I'll, I'll have more to say.

Wait a second. You gave that scoop to Anthony? No, it was. So you'll actually, you'll actually laugh about this is that we were talking off off air one day. I was talking with you and someone's like, what are you doing this weekend? And I was like, I was like, well, my family's out of town. I'll be writing a book. Then I was on Anthony's show that Monday. It's like, so you're writing, so how the writing goes this weekend, you're writing a book. And I was like, I'm going to let the publisher announce it, right? And I'm going to let the publisher announce it and all of that. Like, I've been hitting at, I've been hitting at that.

But I have a deadline approaching, and I couldn't take seven days away from writing because I just wouldn't get the words that I needed to. So I was probably the, you know, I was probably the only person who goes on a cruise to write a book. But I was doing it morning and night when the kids were sleeping. And it actually happened to be fairly, a fairly peaceful setting for writing a book. But I made a lot of progress there, and I will have more information on that

when the publisher announces it. Can you confirm or deny that it is an unauthorized biography of Malcolm Gladwell? I can deny that. But Malcolm Gladwell is going to be at the Philadelphia Speaker Series next year. That just got announced last week. So if you are an ardent viewer of the show,

You know that I am an ardent subscriber to the Philadelphia Speaker Series. I'm excited. There are some really good speakers. Anthony Falchie's coming next year. I'm excited to hear him. And then I'm not from a lot of Al-Salem. Continue to get political without any push it all. I actually, so I'm going to push back on it.

I don't believe that's political. I believe that's humanitarian. Doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. That's me saying it, right? But, yeah, so then Doris Kurns-Goodwin is on that list. I'm excited for that. I mean, he's actually done the great presidential scholars of our era, of our lifetime, I should say.

So, but yeah, Malcolm Glad. You and TKG in the same era. Yeah. You got a same draft class? Of our lifetime. So anyways, there's some, there's some good speakers coming up. Is the book the story of the little running back who cooks, who could, the story of a young Will Shipley who became the Eagles highest drafted running back

in Howard Roseman's tenure. Will Shipley is in the book, is in the book. And there is a sentence in there about the biggest investment they've made in a running back since Miles Sanders. Oh, gosh. There goes my pre-order. That might be edited out, though. So economy awards.

One can hope. One can hope. People want to know if it was a good food ship. I mean, look, it was plentiful, the food. It was plentiful. It was, yeah, I mean, you know, if you like buffets, they have everything you could want there, everything you could want. My kids loved it.

You know, it's, yeah, it's plentiful. Like when you're feeding 6,000 people, you're not, you're not getting like, chernic cuisine, right? Um, but you are getting, you know, it was, it was, yeah, it was got, I can't complain at all. I had a wonderful week with my family, with my, my kids loved it. My, my was, my was, was I spent so many seeing. So I'm, yeah, I had, I had a wonderful week. I there is, it was, yeah, food, food was good. The ship was amazing. Ship was amazing. Like the, the technology on ships these days. And no, I mean, I'm in the middle of the ocean. I'm watching the PHLY Eagle show. It's awesome. So, yeah. Did you maintain the splitting up of duties where

Emily kept them fed and you went on the, you went on the water slides? Actually, so they have, you know, I'm going to, if you're a long time viewer, you know this, I'm from a big family, right? And so the, I'm one of six kids, four of us have kids. And, you know, my, I was with my cousins. So my kids second cousins, there's a lot of kids. So anyways, my oldest nephews are, you know, 15 and 12. And they took Reed on the cruises. Oh, I'm sorry.

You didn't have to do any parenting out? And so Reed was on the water slides. And Reed was like, I was like, you want me to take? He's like, no, I want to go with my cousins. Right. And so, so that was, no, I was, it was, I was happy for him, right? But I, I went, we went to a water park one day, and there was a lazy river. They actually called it an action river. And, um, we did that with an action river, because they don't want to call it lazy. They want to tell, they called it an action river like you're in a float. Um, so I took my, I, I took the younger, you know, there's

There's like different age groups. And so Sloan, my daughter Sloan, who was six years old. And so there's a number of girls who are like, you know, five, six in that range. And I took them on the Laser River, on the Action River. I was kind of doing that throughout most of the day. Okay. So you got it in. And then, yeah, we did a lot of just like different.

You know, there was like a basketball court there. and Reed was playing basketball, and so I had to watch him there. But it was cool. It was an awesome. You were not having to intermingle too much with the other cruisers, I imagine. You were spending, you didn't have those things where at dinner. You're mixed with different people, right? You were just a big family.

Yeah, it was a big family. At the blackjack table, there was some conversation with some other cruisers, but that's the extent of it. Did you get recognized? I did. But this is humbling. I had two different people who came up to me who they were huge fans of mine at the Inquirer. I haven't written for the Inquirer in six years.

And one person's like, it was a shame when you left the city. I didn't leave the city. I was at P.H.O.I. now. It was at the athletic, right? For four years. Like, just because I wasn't on Comcast Sportsnet or on the Inquirer or in the Inquirer, but yeah, from like an age demographic. There's a lot of older people.

Like the age profile, you have families and then you have older people, right? You don't necessarily have like people in their mid-20s aren't going to like guys. Thank God that they weren't aware of where you are now because they would have seen you just bashing old people the last time you were on. I bashed old people. You came up with a very hard anti-old people take. He would have broken their hearts. I talk about age limits for being a team present. Yeah, I did say that.

That's true. We're happy with the shows last week? Yeah. They were fine. Okay, good. Good. I mean, I'm never, I'm never always happy with the show. Okay.

Okay. I missed you. I appreciate that. I miss doing the show. I liked, my wife's getting a kick out of the Zachisms. that EJ brought up because he's literally heard all of them. And I gotta say I need new material. I can't believe you subjected Emily.

Not only did you watch on the cruise that you subjected Emily to it. No, well that someone came up with an Instagram account for our show. There's like a HLY Sicko's Instagram account and they made a graphic from EJ's appearance and so so I showed, I showed show that way that no she did not watch the phil y a little show thank god on on the curse um yeah she she did not good all right all right zach what are you gonna wear tonight big night big night for you tonight not really oh i'm hoping to get some sleep well it's not mutual exclusive this thing's from seven to ten you know you'll probably work the bar afterwards

you can be back by you can be back in your room by 11 oh And as a compliment, you're, you know how to hang. You know how to hang. You know how to hang. Like, I admit, like, to kind of combine these two conversations, Emily would tell you this, I am not a good vacationer. Like, I can go away for a weekend and that's fine. Anything beyond three days, I, my insecurity, I'm like cutting open a vein here,

my insecurity is not working, is falling behind, right? is like uh and so i like to me working is is like i don't need a vacation from from from working i enjoy working i need a vacation to be to be with my family but i love like doing the show anyways like the i i like talking to people about about football about the job right but i try when i go to these things i had to like restrain myself from just like so you know you know what do you about the right guard situation right like because that's that's kind of the way um i am wired um but you you enjoy to hang man you yeah yeah you're ridiculous that's ridiculous are are you going wine tonight you go and you're going hard liquor what's what's your uh what's your game plan

tonight as you as you take a sip of water i i don't know uh maybe i'll maybe i'll go uh ginger ale No, not you. You got you're going to enjoy this tonight. I haven't decided. I might be driving. I don't know. Oh, true. Okay. Yeah, you know, the... What are you going to wear? Are you going to go jacket tonight? Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to go Jacket, but I might go Jack a T-shirt. Thinking about that. Really? Why? You know, what, you don't like that?

Something I'm always been trying to push me on going more T-shirt under the Jacket second. Interesting. Do you frown upon that look? I don't dare disagree with Emily's fashion advice. With it with knowing's fashion? Yeah, she, I see fire again into the jacket t-shirt is certainly a look. Is that a bad look? No. To me, it connotes, uh, uh, tech Monorail salesman. Heck of Bonneral salesman. What to me? Yeah. Elaborate on that. You're going to be big tech and you're selling me something that doesn't help me in any way. And it's trying to, you're trying to make money. But I think you could make, I think Emily knows your fashion better than anybody else.

And if that's her advice, then I would follow her advice. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's something I should take an account. Like a white tea or a black tea? Like a black tea. A P-H-L-Y-T? No, no, no, no, not a graphic tea.

Like a nice, yeah, it wouldn't do that. Yeah, like a, you know, and, you know, Nice, fresh, crisp tea. But I could go, I would go buttoned now. She wants me to embrace more of the casual look. Listen, she's the boss. She is. I agree with that.

But she's not going to do that tonight. Yeah, I will reconsider that. Okay. We'll save the, we'll save the, what are you wearing? For tomorrow show. Yeah, what are you going tonight? What are you wearing? Well, I'm going to go button down, but I haven't decided.

I guess I guess I'll bring a jacket, but I don't really want to wear a jacket. No? Yeah. What kind of jacket did you bring? I'll get it. Okay. Ah, look at this. This is rivening for the audio listeners right now.

It's kind of like a dark, grayish, brownish, neutral jacket, yeah. All right. All right. I don't know. Well, you'll kill it no matter what, man. Yeah. The man makes the clothes.

right? No pants, that's for sure. I'll say that. You got wear pants. Well, chaps, maybe.

You had shorts today. Yeah, you have a resort casual. Yeah, you have resort casual. No, I don't have resort casual. Resort casual would mean like

a bathing suit and flip-flops. I went a polo and shorts. Okay. And sneakers. Yeah. You looked like you were in your resort attire today. No, I did not. I looked like I was in Florida.

I had, I was going to go jacket today. Honestly, I'm going jacket. That would have been Johnny Trihardt. Why? Come on. No, no, don't know, because I'm planning on wearing a jacket tomorrow. It's Johnny Trihardt. Because it's Jeffrey, because it's like, it's like you got to dress up for the owner

talking? I'm talking to Nick. I'm talking to Jeffrey. I'm talking like, you want to be presentable? You want to, you want to, you know, I was going to go today. The problem was this. I didn't know where we were going to do the show today. And I didn't want to have the same jacket on for 14 hours, right?

That would have been because I got dressed this morning at 6. It's actually more than 14 hours. So if I get home tonight at 11 or get back tonight at 11, right? I mean, you're looking at, that's, that's what, 17 hours, six to 11. I didn't want to wear the same thing for 17 hours. So I didn't go jacket today. So I'm going to change. But we're not a 17 hour.

Yeah. This is real blue-collar stuff. Yeah. This is a great, dude. This is great podcasting too, man. This is what overtime is for. This is what overtime is for. Fair enough.

All right. So you can find out. So please be a diehard for the top 100 for French draft guy, but also I will have a piece up today on how he on what Howie Rosem said. And tomorrow we talk to Nick Siriani in the morning and Jeffrey Lurie in the afternoon. Most likely we will be doing the show in between those two things. And you'll have to tune into Wednesday's show to find out the thoughts from Jeffrey Lurie. But maybe we'll do a, we'll see how it all pans out.

We don't know yet what time Jeffrey's going to speak. Yeah. Okay. I guess that'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast live from Not Quite Palm Beach. Zach Berman, Bowulf. Thank you, Brenna, for producing the show today. Back tomorrow at 2 o'clock. And as always, we love you.