PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Mad Genius Howie Roseman has the Eagles’ roster DRAFT PROOF

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

Arnold Ebiketie, Riq Woolen, Hollywood Brown, Dallas Goedert and the other big moves made by Howie Roseman this offseason haven’t exactly lit the world on fire, but they’ve allowed the Eagles to e...nter the draft in perfect shape. The professor Deniz Selman is in town to explain why.    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:02 How you doing? We're going to talk about the Eagles roster today. The professor Danis is here. Why does he think that Harry Roseman has done such a good job getting this team ready for the draft? Find out next. You know why Eagles podcast
Starting point is 00:00:29 from the Expending studio by Bet365. And it's Friday, Friday. Gotta get down on Friday. How you doing, Professor? Nice to see. I think I've told you this. Possibly not on the show.
Starting point is 00:00:43 But when we travel in the summer, we do a sing-along and dance-along to that song. Really? As a family, every Friday. And when we forget, when we forget, inevitably we forget, because we're moving and traveling, whatever. Everyone gets very upset. Like, he's like, we forgot. He's right. So do you sometimes do it at the end of the day?
Starting point is 00:01:02 We do it at the end of the day, usually. Okay. And so, like, bedtime, getting ready. Yeah. Sometimes if we're driving, we'll do a car. Absolutely, yeah. And my cousin who travels with us. who's like cool and in her 20s.
Starting point is 00:01:15 Okay. Gets a little embarrassed by this, you know, like as Emily and I and everyone do it, and she kind of watches. And so sometimes during the year, we will, we will record ourselves dancing along to it. That's nice.
Starting point is 00:01:25 And then, and then send it to her. So are there specific Friday, specific dance moves? Um, or is it just a, Emily's got her, Emily's got some.
Starting point is 00:01:35 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she does the, you know, she does the whole. Okay. It's, it's,
Starting point is 00:01:38 and I do the, I do a little, I do a little, cereal, you know, uh, I think I've run, Now when you play it, does it have the rap part?
Starting point is 00:01:45 Yeah, of course. Okay, good. Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, oftentimes you get hate what it on. It doesn't have that. When I put it on, it has it, but it doesn't all. Yeah, that's a good point.
Starting point is 00:01:55 You know, sometimes maybe we do the radio edit. Switching lanes. Yeah, no, so good. They had some sort of like copyright issue with the rap part. I believe so. Yeah, yeah. So it's not on like. So sometimes you can't get it.
Starting point is 00:02:06 You have to get it on YouTube, I think. Yeah. Fantastic. Objectively good song, too. And do you agree with the commenters who expect that you have more respect for that song than any Beatles single? More respect for that song. I don't know if I go that far. E.J. is the anti-Beatles one.
Starting point is 00:02:28 I'm not anti-beetal. I thought you were like mildly anti-Beatles. I think they're slightly overrated, but my parents listened to the Beatles when I was growing up and I liked the Beatles. Okay. Yeah. There you go. Plenty to discuss. On a Friday here as EJ and I will be headed to the owner's meetings on Monday and Tuesday of next week.
Starting point is 00:02:47 Actually, Sunday, and here's the deal. We're going to have kind of a out of the ordinary Sunday night, primetime live show. Because our expectations are that we'll be talking to Howie Roseman on Sunday. So we're going to recap that. We're going to have like, I'm guessing East Coast time, we're talking like 10 p.m. Maybe even later. Exciting. With your live show recap of Howie Roseman's comments.
Starting point is 00:03:11 so it'll be exciting. Is this an availability that we should expect to be able to get on video or is this one of those words? It's just you guys. This is just, we are your eyes and your ears.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Excellent. So you got to tune in Sunday to find out. To tune in Sunday to find out on howie Roseman says. And check out the show all week. We'll be there in Phoenix. But once you get past the owners meetings, we are in full-on draft mode.
Starting point is 00:03:32 Mm-hmm. And as such, you believe that Howie Roseman has done a perfect job. You are saying how Roseman has nailed the off season. I don't think I ever said that. Because you think you think that he has done a great job draft proofing, as it were.
Starting point is 00:03:45 I think Howard Rosam's done a very good job. In general, I don't think I said he did a perfect job this off season. There are some things that I'm wondering about, which we'll get to when we go through the roster. How he blew it, you think. But you've been so trained on this YouTube algorithm thing that you think every statement needs to be one or the other. Every statement needs to have one word that's in all caps.
Starting point is 00:04:09 Howie Roseman rushed this off, Susan, or how we find out how Howie Roseman blew it. We should have an episode where it's like a requirement that every sentence that everyone says has to be like one that could be a YouTube title, yeah. I think the Fred Johnson signing kind of let me be like, okay, now the roster is draft proof. Like there was that one hole at swing tackle, right,
Starting point is 00:04:33 where it's like, they're talking up Cameron Williams, but it's like, come on, really? Like, is he really going to be first guy in at tackle? And when Fred Johnson came back, it was kind of like, okay, like they pretty much have this thing draft proof with a couple of caveats, right? Like one, A.J. Brown is currently on the roster, and that's what makes me look at wide receiver and say, like, it's draft proof.
Starting point is 00:04:53 And if A.J. Brown's not. We're going to go through the depth chart here, but go ahead. Right. Yeah, then I would say maybe not. And then safety is the other big one that we need to talk about, I think. So, okay. Yeah. Let's start. Let's let's go to quarterback. Let's let, we're going to go through the positions today. We're also going to check in on Flew World Order, see what other nonsense you want to talk about. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But generally speaking, we're going to go through the roster because I also am curious, Danes, there are a few guys at the bottom of the roster. Mm-hmm. So I think even the sickos don't know.
Starting point is 00:05:24 Yeah. It's fun. I want to know if you had to guess, who do you think is the least recognizable, not personally, but the people who watch this show every day. Yes. Who are consumed by thinking about the Eagles? Yes. Even they don't realize this person is on the team. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:40 What do you think is the answer for the most incognito current eagle? I think it's between six guys. Okay. But I don't know who comes to mind to you first. Okay. To me, the two that come to mind are two of the three futures signings who were not on the team last year. And they are John Ojukwu, the right tackle. He played some right tackle for the, was it the Titans?
Starting point is 00:06:08 Titans, he's nine starts in his career, John O'Coooo. And the other, I would say, is probably Jose Ramirez. Like, who knows that Jose Ramirez is on the team? Not only is he on the team, but they gave him number 43, worn by Ben Van Saman Sumeran last year. So if any Ben Van Sumeran heads out there, the fact that his number has been given away is usually a bad sign for a player who may return.
Starting point is 00:06:35 I think Carson Steele is a possibility, but probably just enough people know that he's an actual fullback. Played in the Super Bowl against the game. Right, and they may have, he's got the long hair. Yeah. So probably not him.
Starting point is 00:06:47 I think Jeheme Bell is a possibility because there's been enough focus on the other tight ends that maybe you forget that the seventh round pick of the Patriots in 2024 is on the team. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:56 I think it comes down to the two you mentioned. Take one Graham. Take one Graham. Take one Graham. It's a good one, yeah. Take Juan Graham, who is a defensive tackle.
Starting point is 00:07:03 And then Ambrie Thomas. He was on the team all the last year. All of last year. Like, like, it was off. and then back on, like, during the season. And I want to ask you a very... I'm glad we're doing... It's played in the league.
Starting point is 00:07:15 I'm glad we're doing this at the top of the show because this is what's really going to hook people in. But I have an Ambrie Thomas statistical probability question for you. Okay. So Ambrie Thomas was a third round pick of the San Francisco 49ers. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:29 From 2021 to 2023, in three years of draft class, the San Francisco 49ers drafted seven different third round picks. Okay. seven different third round picks. Of those seven, five, then landed on the Eagles.
Starting point is 00:07:47 Oh, wow. The Eagles have employed five of their seven third round picks in the three-year span. That's crazy. Is Jake Moody one of the ones that didn't? He's one of the two who didn't.
Starting point is 00:07:56 Okay, okay, okay. Jake Moody and G.I. Your Brown, the safety of the two who have not yet land, not yet. Yeah, have not yet. Yeah, exactly. If they could complete that seven?
Starting point is 00:08:06 Wow. I mean, what are the odds that this is not a bit by Howie Roseman So for it to be five out of seven Cam Latu Yes Ambry Thomas
Starting point is 00:08:17 Ambrie Thomas Okay three more you said Yeah I'm so bad at these There's one other who's still on the roster Right now So I'm looking at his name Technically right now
Starting point is 00:08:25 Mm-hmm Oh man I'm so bad at this Yes Yes Oh TDP TDP TDP Yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:08:39 You know me TDR's price Right. Two more. I'll tell you what. There's another running back. Oh, no. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:08:53 Who is it? Wait, one? Meditate. Mm. Uh, Buddha. Blank on the mount. Wait, what? I'm so bad at this that.
Starting point is 00:09:06 Blank on the mount. Blank on the mount. Yeah. What the hell does that mean? Sermon. Trey Sermon. Oh, Trey Sermon. okay yeah
Starting point is 00:09:14 last one is still on the roster chance Campbell no chants Campbell Broadway Danny Gray oh Danny Gray okay yeah he was a third round pick yes wow okay it's typical Shanahan third rounder right there
Starting point is 00:09:29 do you think this rises to the level of the classic COVID situation where the statistical improbability is enough to tell us that there's something else going on here no because that was like one in if that was your question I could have said the answer no but is it is it is it approaching this
Starting point is 00:09:45 this has to be a bit. The odds of that were lower than the odds of if you picked one person out of the entire world population randomly, what are the odds of that would be you? The odds of that are higher than the odds of what happened with COVID. I know, but don't you think this tells us something's going on here? Maybe. You think that's a market inefficiency?
Starting point is 00:10:06 No, I just think he's like, I think it's Howie needling John and Lynch. He's just like... Howie? Oh, yeah. Oh, how he's aware of all this better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's acquiring all the chiefs that he beat in the Super Bowl right now. Like that's why he got Carson Steele.
Starting point is 00:10:22 He got Josh Uchay, you know, Hollywood Brown. Because he knows that when you show B-roll of these guys, it's going to be them losing in the Super Bowl. Exactly, yeah. All right, let's start quarterback. How do you feel about the quarterback situation? And do you think that the Andy Dalton move means that Tanya Mercantia is on the move? Yeah, I'm confused by the Andy Dalton move
Starting point is 00:10:41 because this is like a $3.9 million quarterback. You're for a, to be third string, I know Shields been talking about this. I don't think I've ever heard of a third string quarterback making that much money. And there are so many teams in the NFL that don't even have a third quarterback on the roster. Now, the Eagles did have three quarterbacks last year,
Starting point is 00:11:01 but Sam Howell made $1 million. Like to go from that to a guy making $4 million is a little crazy. Now, Fandy Dalton is transitioning to, become a coach? Like, is that why you're bringing him in? But you guys talked about this. Like, it's not like his whole career has been in the system or anything.
Starting point is 00:11:20 Right. He's played a little bit. If you play that long, you're going to play in every system some. It's a weird move. It seems like it makes it such that you are preparing in case you trade Tanner McKee. From a strategic perspective,
Starting point is 00:11:37 I was thinking, doesn't it hurt your leverage a bit if you're trying to trade Tanner McKee? Right. Which is part of, Because it makes the other team telling everybody this has nothing to do with Tanner McKee. Right. They're going to say that, right? They're going to message that.
Starting point is 00:11:48 But are you like, can you take that seriously? It's like other GMs are going to be like, come on, Howie, you didn't, you're not going to pay $4 million to a third string guy. Like you're obviously planning on getting her to Tanner McKee. Now, maybe the cost of that in the, in the negotiation is minor relative to the risk of literally not having a backup. Right. If an opportunity does arise on draft. night in particular. Right. Like the reason to do the signing before the draft, I guess, is that, like, I don't know, was Andy Dalton going to go somewhere else? Like, that's the other question.
Starting point is 00:12:19 Who's batting down the door? Why don't you just like, and also Andy Dalton, like, how many guys like that are there? Like, you should be able to trade for one of them if you trade Tanner McKee, right? Right. So, yeah, it's a little, it's a little weird. But I guess they thought this was an opportunity to just be able to trade Tanner McKee if the opportunity arises. I have no idea what happens if you can't trade tanner mckee are you really going to keep all three on the roster and pay a third string quarterback four million dollars strange to me i'm starting to come around to my theory aren't you what remind me what the theory is high we roseweed oh yeah yeah yeah there you go i've i've been enjoying those a lot now you have to be really high how weed to be get excited by andy dalton
Starting point is 00:13:02 i mean like this is one of these where it's like not that exciting even if you're high it's like Andy Dalton. Like, well, look at the hair. I think you could... Beautiful hair. I am jealous. You get me feeling the right way I could stare on that hair for hours.
Starting point is 00:13:14 Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, very jealous of the hair. Okay. So you think there is something else to come here. It would just be so strange for this to be... What would you... What, as someone who... Every season is the only season that matters.
Starting point is 00:13:26 Yeah. You know, who knows if we'll be alive. They've got a chance to win the Super Bowl this year. Well, I'd rather have Tanner McKeeby, the backup. But what price would you let him go for? Yeah. second rounder for sure third rounder maybe not
Starting point is 00:13:39 do you think he gets to a third round compick anyway if he at the end of the year? Oh that's a good question because if that's happening or maybe next year won't be like a compic year because of the other yeah but also I think unless he actually plays
Starting point is 00:13:54 right he's then he'd have to go to like a team that is bad and wants him to play yeah I don't know if let's assume you're not getting a compick for him then third round is the third rounder. I mean, that could be, is the lowest I would go. That could be Jagger Brown. It could be Jake Moody. Yeah. It could be like a terrible kicker. Yeah. There you go. All right. Danny Gray.
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Starting point is 00:17:10 on the PHAY Eagles podcast. Bo and the professor turn our attention to running back. Now listen. The least important position. I know. Put the gloves away. Okay, Sequin's not going to hurt you here today.
Starting point is 00:17:26 Take it easy. Let's the off season. Okay. Gloves down. How do you feel about this group? Seems like a fine group. Do you think they will add a day three guy here? Probably just because they normally do, don't you think?
Starting point is 00:17:41 Or an undrafted guy maybe? Well, I think it's more, you know, this is the last year of Seekwan's, like, guaranteed deal. Yeah. Last year of Bigsby's rookie deal. Yes. Last year of Will Shippley's rookie deal. Okay. And then you've got Damian Pierce.
Starting point is 00:17:56 So it would make, it would make, it would make sense. It seems to probably be physically like in decline. I think more likely than not. Yeah. Yeah. So it would make some, some. sense to bring in a guy who could be under team control but it's also as you say who cares it's the running back position yeah um just put me out there i you say you think do you think sequin was
Starting point is 00:18:17 negatively impacted by the workload like over the course of the last two years and do you think that the new staff will have a desire to maybe uh manages like carries a little bit my answer is yes and no okay so you think they should but they won't yeah or or okay yeah now i think i'm a little worried about that too. I think that he is probably himself agitating for it. I take care of my body myself. Don't give me a ball. I don't need rest.
Starting point is 00:18:42 Sure. I think it would be impossible to think that he's not negatively affected to some degree by the workload. Yeah. It was so hard to tell last year because like Cam, Juergens and Landon Diggerson were both so like obviously injured all season. It was really hard to tell of the decline in the run game like had anything to do with sake one or not.
Starting point is 00:19:02 I think it had a little bit to do with him, but it might have just been him like trying to overcompensate for the problems with the offensive line. So, and not to mention the tight end blocking. So, yeah, I do think that as he gets older, that's something that they should do a little bit. Like, and Tankpigsby looked fine when he played last year. Like, you know, I don't think that that was only because he only played a little bit. Like, I think you can play a little bit more.
Starting point is 00:19:26 I don't know. Wasn't Will Shippley supposed to be playing more by now? Like, I guess has that, has that ship sailed? Is that just not really happening? I didn't do that on purpose, but. Yeah, I mean, I think he's clearly been overtaken by Tank Bigsby, and, you know, he didn't turn into receiving game demon or a special team. Is there a chance he doesn't make the team?
Starting point is 00:19:46 I think if they draft a guy on day three who has pop and they don't feel like carrying four running backs, yeah, I think that's possible. I would say, I'm going to give him, I would say 79 turkeys to make the team. Okay, I was just going to say 80, so. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I think that's about right. Now, fullback, we already made. mentioned that Ben Van Van Sumeran, who has not been resigned.
Starting point is 00:20:07 No. His number was given away to a guy no one really knows is on the team. He's not coming back. You got two guys left at fullback. You got Kam Latu. And you have Carson Steele, who was the fullback for the Chiefs. He played a little bit in the Super Bowl against the Eagles on special teams.
Starting point is 00:20:25 Now, Green Bay didn't really use a fullback. I don't really know if that matters. like that doesn't mean Sean Manion is anti-fullback or anything that might have been more of a flur thing, whatever. Do you think there will be a lot of full-back usage? And do you think that it'll be one of these guys
Starting point is 00:20:47 if there is a full-back? I don't know. Yeah. Like, the whole full-back thing last year as much as EJ loved it, it did sort of feel like them just grasping at straws and not endemic to who they needed to be. And, you know, as you say,
Starting point is 00:21:13 it's not like that was the Packers philosophy. Now 3% 21 personnel for the Packers, and it was all like owning. Tight ends. Okay. I don't think they even had a fullback. Okay. So I think it comes down to it's going to be four tight ends
Starting point is 00:21:29 or it's going to be three tight ends and fullback. And I don't know really, maybe that's supposed to just be Cam Latu and he can do both things. It also feels like it's, very connected to Jalen's like is Jalen going to run again? And I think the answer is probably not
Starting point is 00:21:45 so then maybe that is there solved for that? I don't know. What do you think? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know like whether to read anything into... The fact that they signed Carson Steele makes you think that... But then they didn't bring back Van Sumer in so it's like... Well, I mean, maybe they just... What are we talking about? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:01 Yeah, I don't know. He's probably not all the way back health-wise, right? Yeah. Enough to be worth like having him be in the mix. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it obviously wasn't part of like the Siriani philosophy like before. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:22:16 Like it was kind of a new thing that they tried with Van Sumeran for the first time in 24. And then continued a little bit with Latu last year, though not quite as much as they did with Van Sumer in. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, they seem to be so excited about some of that stuff they did with Latu, like the spear motion and things like that. And then they bring in a guy from the Shanahan tree to be the coach.
Starting point is 00:22:36 so like that's the kind of blocking stuff we're going to see but it doesn't have to be from like a fullback position i do appreciate the people calling for willie lampkin though make it happen as the 6th o lineman yeah well i weren't as the fullback yeah all right wide receiver how do you feel a j brown devontay smith and hollywood brown darius cooper johnny wilson elijah moore quez wakins danny gray and britton covey who is still on the roster but he's got kind of a weird number on his contract it seems like he'll be but they haven't done it yet they haven't done yet which means it they have to do it probably just restructure right imagine ques wakins is a sleeper by the way for like a guy that people would be surprised is still on the team that's true because of the name
Starting point is 00:23:22 recognition it's a good point yeah what do you mean what do you mean quez wakins it's a good point and he's been on the team that's true um Hollywood brown is a perfectly fine third wide receiver probably like it perfectly replaces john dotson as a guy who can run routes and probably not more. As a second, it'd be pretty dire, right? So if AJ Brown is gone and you're not getting a wide receiver back in the trade,
Starting point is 00:23:52 this is the place where you feel like they need to draft a receiver for two rounds. This is where it is not draft group. Because the third guy in right now is like Darius Cooper and then after that you've got Johnny Wilson who's going to be probably playing as like a blocking type wide receiver, I imagine, in this setup.
Starting point is 00:24:08 In the depth chart that I posted, I put Elijah Moore behind Johnny Wilson, Britt and Derry Scooper, and people were like, come on, Elijah Moore is higher than that. It's like, no, he's not. Like, he barely was on a roster last year. He wasn't on a roster. He was on the practice squad. So, yeah, this is, this needs work if AJ Brown isn't on this team. And the question is, do you draft a wide receiver high?
Starting point is 00:24:31 You trade for a wide receiver? You know, that's right. I mean, the free agent wide receivers that are left out there, Juan Jennings. Ebo, Samuels, Stefan Diggs, Tyreek Hill, Keenan Allen, Brandon Cook's still out there, DeAndre Hopkins, Jude Smith, Schuster.
Starting point is 00:24:48 I mean, it's like not an exciting. Brandon, not you. Yeah. Yeah. So this is not, you know, if it's true that AJ's gone, then this is a concern for sure. Especially because of all the talk of like,
Starting point is 00:25:02 this is going to be such a run-heavy team. It's like run-heavy team with no good wide receivers is like, usually not a good offense. Like, so I'm just a little concerned about this. Like, okay. Um, what do you think? What do you think? Like, how many turkeys would you put?
Starting point is 00:25:17 Assuming A.J. Brown is gone. Okay. What is the, what is the solution to having Hollywood Brown not be your number two guy? I think it's probably a draft pick. There's first two rounds. Yeah. Yeah. You know, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's the, there's the, there's the,
Starting point is 00:25:38 Ryan Thomas out there. I think that would surprise me. I think they would want it to be their own guy. But I don't, I don't know. I thought you were just going to say Darius Cooper is the answer. Wait, where you're looking for wide receiver three? Yeah, behind Dary Scuper. Dary Scuper's going to like this league on fire, baby.
Starting point is 00:26:00 Let's see. Let's see. All right. Tight end. By the way, the Elijah Morthing, I know there's some debate about whether it's because of the A.J. Brown. The fact that he was like barely played last year, makes you think it is makes me think it is
Starting point is 00:26:15 I agree yeah I mean like it was very upset about my about me saying that the other day but yeah well the the guy that EJ replaced was was very adamant that it had nothing to do with it on a on talking to Sheal I it's just starting for me there are so many guys like Elijah Moore
Starting point is 00:26:35 like at his level why would you bring him in I well and not one of those guys I think part of the disconnect is the case for it not being it is like, well, you think this is going to, you think this is going to change AJ's mind? No, I'm not, I'm not saying the Eagles are doing this to try to convince AJ to come back. I'm saying it's an indication to me that they are on good terms with each other already. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:58 We're good enough. Yeah. No, I mean, it makes me think, like, it just, it seems like it can't be a complete coincidence, but yeah, it doesn't make me think it, I don't know. it is it is they are so thick as thieves and he is he was so inconsequential as a player last year yes that of course they have to be connected to in some degree yeah for those who don't know i mean he he finished the season on denvers you mentioned like he got cut by buffalo a team that was famously like lacking a wide receiver Denver also was not exactly great at wide receiver and they
Starting point is 00:27:32 went into the playoffs with him on the practice squad he was inactive in uh the first playoff game and then he played seven snaps due to injury in the AFC championship game. Like that's what Elijah Moore was last year. So there's no reason to think that like, you know, just because you know his name, the Joe Douglas thing is interesting. Like it's like Joe Douglas keeps convincing how he to bring these like, you know, like like former guys that he picked. But yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:58 All right. Tight end. Tight end. How do you feel about it? And do you think was shocked? I think this is the one where. Like Craig Calcutera is back. I do think this is the one where.
Starting point is 00:28:08 it was most important to draft proof so that they didn't really have to move a guy way up. I agree. And I was very happy for Dallas Goddard to come back. We're talking about the Johnny Month signing. It is noteworthy that last year I went through my notes because somebody asked about this. I had Grant Calcutera down for 22 plays during the season in my notes where I wrote him down as the main culprit on a failed running play, which is a shockingly high number more than once a game. for a guy who played as little as he did.
Starting point is 00:28:39 He was soft benched for a big chunk of the season. And then it was a little disturbing to see the Dallas Goddard's name was on there 15 times on failed plays running. So like the need to improve blocking at tight end was huge. And so I think whatever number of turkeys you gave Johnny Munt to be on the team, I think it's higher than that. Like I think he's definitely going to be on the team. Unless they draft two tight ends. Yeah, I guess.
Starting point is 00:29:06 I mean, I think he's probably on the team. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, well, even if they draft two tight ends, don't you think Grand Calcuttaire would get cut first? Because it's just got it. It depends on the kind of lot. Yeah, it depends on the kind of tight end they draft. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:17 But usually guys coming out of college. He's also old. He could get hurt. Johnny Munn. Oh, Johnny Munn. Yeah, sure. Of course. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:29 Stone smart. Eh, it could be fun. Yeah. Okay. E.J. Jenkins. And then you have Jehem Bell. Um, by the way, they gave out numbers. I don't know, Stone Smart, they gave him 87.
Starting point is 00:29:43 They're just, they're just giving out. Wow. They're just giving out Seleck's number. I know, it's funny. Yeah. What do you think of the Hollis Thomas News? Any, uh, any thoughts on that? Not for me to comment on.
Starting point is 00:29:56 Okay, let's, let's move on. Um, yeah, I think, so do you think they draft a tight end? Yes. In the first two days. two days or are you thinking a day three like guy to develop
Starting point is 00:30:14 kind of I would be very surprised if they haven't drafted a tight end by the end of round four okay that's that's my line okay I think I agree though
Starting point is 00:30:26 we've said that and given everything that Fran has told us about this class I don't think it will be in round two because there's one there's plenty of guys yeah it's Sadeek in round one
Starting point is 00:30:36 or it's somebody in round three or four Sadiekin round one would be shocked me. That would be fun. People are talking about it. It would be fun in that Kyle Pitts way. I mean. No, he can block. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:48 I don't know. It doesn't seem like a normally successful. I will, I mean, just formula. The Pal Pitts pick. They took him over Jamar Chase. They took him very, very high. Obviously, we're not talking about that high. But like, still, tight end.
Starting point is 00:31:00 I don't know. Are you surprised in general that, you know, you know, we got Johnny Munkt, who is Sean Mannion's guy. Right. We got Hollywood Brown. I guess you got Andy Dalton. But like, given the fact that there was such an influx of new people to the coaching staff, and they're implementing this brand new scheme.
Starting point is 00:31:26 That the offense is like the same guy. Yes. Yeah, a little bit. Well, you look at... Even the Fred Johnson thing is part of this, which we will get to. But like, are you surprised there hasn't been more of, okay, we're changing things up here. We need more guys who can. just filled his specific roles.
Starting point is 00:31:39 To some degree, probably especially a tight end. I mean, Green Bay was 33% 12 personnel last year. That was sixth highest in the league. You know, now they had Tucker Kraft. He was a big part of the offense. I really, like, think that Johnny Munt is like the main link between the coaching staff and like a, you know, like a guy on the roster who's going to play
Starting point is 00:32:02 in a way that helps that style. Yeah. Because he's a guy who can line up in the slot as a tight end and then block out there. He's a guy who can line up as an inline tight end and block. Like it matches a lot of the outside zone type stuff. It is surprising. It also speaks to, and we've talked about this before,
Starting point is 00:32:21 how there's this weird thing where the offense has been the same for years now. Yeah. Like this core group is not that different than the group that played in the Super Bowl four years ago, like the 2022 season. And the defense hasn't been that way. The defense has turned over. In fact, like, can you name the only... Two can you name.
Starting point is 00:32:41 The only starter from the 2022 defense that's still on the team. The only starter from a 2020 defense who's on the team, Marcus Epps. Yes, and he left and came back. So, like, there isn't a single guy who's continuously been here since that Super Bowl who actually started, you know, because Jordan Davis wasn't really a starter. So when you look at the continuity on offense and the lack thereof on defense, it's interesting that like you're you're changing the coaching staff in one of them and you're and then you're kind of changing the players on the other one and it's kind of
Starting point is 00:33:13 like like which one is more volatile and it seems like the offense is more volatile even though the players are the same like part because they're aging and part because they're unhealthy but do you think that the now listen this is a ridiculous comparison because it's literal vicangio and you know the boy genius sean man who's never done anything before but do you think that they are thinking about the turnaround from 23 to 24 which did not include a I mean actually there was plenty of turnover
Starting point is 00:33:45 personnel wise with Quignan and Dijun specifically sure but leaning into the idea that just changing the coaching staff can do those kind of wonders yes I do think they're leaning into that a little too much the changing the coaching staff without really changing the roster is definitely like the thing on my radar for the offense it is especially bothersome because i think the main reason for the failures on offense last year was the offensive line play in in part because of injury we're not sure if landin and cam are ever going to be the same again and if they're not and you've got lane johnson one year older right all these all these um we're going to get to offensive line but like
Starting point is 00:34:32 I'm concerned that the real issue with the offense last year was that the coaching was never great on offense. I didn't think it was great in 2024 either. We complained about the approach schematically all season on the way to winning the Super Bowl. And the run game and the offensive line play was just like good enough to overcome it. And now it's like as soon as the offensive line wasn't good, the coaching looked terrible.
Starting point is 00:34:59 And part of that was Kevin Petulow on game day. It was clearly like, just too big a job for him. Like, I think we can say that now. But, I mean, yeah, I'm definitely concerned. Like, in part because you're teaching old dogs new tricks, right? Like, you're asking Jordan Milata and Lane Johnson to play for a new offensive line coach for the first time in their careers. Like, yeah?
Starting point is 00:35:23 Yeah, I'm definitely. And there is, you know what, let's make this, before we go a break, let's make this the big deal. That's right. the big deal, present, the big takeaway, the big takeaway presented
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Starting point is 00:35:46 The tension between, you and I were discussing this before the show, how, yes, they have draft-proofed to the extent that they can approach the draft
Starting point is 00:35:57 as every team should be able to approach the draft of just, talent acquisition, young players who are going to be here for a long time, agnostic of scheme and this year's needs. Learn from the Marcus Smith type lesson. Right.
Starting point is 00:36:12 They have that luxury. Contrasted with, it sure does seem like this is kind of one last ride with this group. For sure. And I, as a fan, I feel so uncomfortable like right now because I don't like things ending.
Starting point is 00:36:30 So it really, feels like this is the end, but it also feels like it's not going to necessarily be friendly. Right. And I mean, look, we're already in a post Jeff Staland world, right? As we move to offensive line, this is a good time to do it, right? We're going to be in a post-lane Johnson world very soon. We're already in this like situation where we're transitioning into like an unknown where the Eagles offensive line might not be good, right? Which means that, you know, you got to take advantage of like the last year of Lane Johnson, right? Other side of the ball.
Starting point is 00:37:08 Last year of Vic Fangio, I mean, you don't know what's going to happen to this defense when you have some random new defense coordinator, right? And so, yeah, there's a lot of unknown going forward. Yes, there are good young players on the team. You're going to resign some of them, sure. But yeah, I mean, this team that won the Super Bowl might not look quite like this again after this season. And so you kind of, part of me is like,
Starting point is 00:37:33 got to try to win it now. But then it seems like the most reasonable first round pick is an offensive lineman who might not start, who might not play. Yeah. Right. And so that's a bit of a contradiction, bit of attention.
Starting point is 00:37:46 Combined with the fact that last year's first round pick is a guy who like, you had a guy who's better than him on the team who you let walk. Like if you knew he was going to be healthy and good enough to play, like maybe you wouldn't have used that pick. that way, right? Like, like, all of this is, is creating this tension between today and later on. But we also know that one of the reasons, Sally Roseman has been so successful is because he has that job security. It's chicken an egg, right? Like, he has job security because he's been
Starting point is 00:38:15 successful, but he also is successful in part because of the job security and that he can have the same incentives as the fans should have where you care about the future years as much as you care about the current year, right? And so, you always sacrifice to some degree, the present for the future, right? I guess you could be like the Rams and like not do it that way.
Starting point is 00:38:38 But I mean, yeah, I just, yeah, there is that tension there and it's making me uncomfortable. And I don't know what to think about it. That'll do it for the big takeaway presented by Xfinity. We've got to take a quick break. Back with Moore on the other side. Fucking offensive line.
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Starting point is 00:41:13 Yes. And that means we have flu world order updates. Ooh, yes, we did. So let's flash up to take a look here, Ethan, who's on the ones and twos today. E.J. extending his lead. because he had Fred Johnson a little bit lower than Fran and I, friend and me. But he's up 83 to 89.
Starting point is 00:41:34 Low man wins. He's up by six points. Now, there are four, I think we probably think Adory Jackson's not going to come back. Yes, they have given his number away, which is always a good sign. Obviously, they signed Jonathan Jones as well. But Tank Bigsby is now wearing number eight.
Starting point is 00:41:52 So what do you think of that, by the way? I don't like, I don't like, running back wearing eight. I don't like that either. So if A.J. Brown comes back, that's a five-point swing in my direction. That would make it, so just keep in mind I'm down six. Yeah, you're down by six. Tanner McKee comes back. That's a four-point swing in my direction.
Starting point is 00:42:12 Brandon Graham comes back. That's a three-point swing. This is very funny, by the way. The Eagles website has BG on the roster right now. Even though they have a section for undrafted, or sorry, for unrestricted free agent. Really? Which includes Ben Van Sumeran,
Starting point is 00:42:27 Ogbo Akronkwo, and Adori Jackson, and they've got Brandon Graham just on the roster as if he's just on the team. That's very funny. As the 71st player, there are,
Starting point is 00:42:35 he is not on the team. Like, there are 70 players on the team and according to the website, VG's on there already. So whoever's running that page didn't want to go through the motions of like taking him off
Starting point is 00:42:47 and putting him back on. They're like, come on. We know we're bringing VG back. That's very funny. He's on the roster in perpetuity. Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:42:53 But the Britain Covey one there. Oh, Covey swings it back. Yeah. So it's going to be, it's going to be very tight. And then when Josh Uche inevitably comes back in like November, Fran will get to within, Fran is, Fran will get to within like, yeah, 20 of games. I believe almost statistically eliminated.
Starting point is 00:43:10 I mean, Fran had Dallas Goddard lower than A.J. Dillon. So I feel like you should just automatically get disqualified for for that. But, you know, it's easy for me to say I didn't play. So. All right. Let's get to the. the offensive line. Not a ton to go over here now that we sort of are a lot of Dickers and Jorgonstein Lane
Starting point is 00:43:30 are the starters. You've got Fred Johnson, Cameron Williams, Miles Hinton, and John O'Drugoo as the tackles. Do you think Cameron Williams and Miles Hinton will both make the team? My guess is no. Yeah, I was thinking that too. Probably only Cameron Williams.
Starting point is 00:43:48 That would be my guess. Right. And then you've got Drew Kendall, Paul and Pierce, Willie Lampkin, Jake Majors as the other guys. Jake Majors is pretty high up on the list of people might not know him. That's probably right. He was there all last year. Last year, yeah, but he never
Starting point is 00:44:01 was elevated or anything. Do you think there will be a role for Willie Lampton in the offense? There's one question. No. Okay. All right. And do you think he'll be a, you don't think he'll be a game day? He won't dress? I don't know. Okay.
Starting point is 00:44:17 I hope he does. The other question is, do you think there's anything to the Cam Durgens moving to guard rumors? I don't think it's a short-term thing. I think that's something they have in their back pocket as a possibility for next year in a post-Lennon-Diggerson world. That's my guess. Man, I wish, you know, I remember that first preseason game where Cam Durgens looked
Starting point is 00:44:39 like Jason Kelsey and people were like, oh my God, and you drafted the nice Kelsey. And we just haven't seen that. Like, we've never seen that really from him. even the year that even in 24 when he was healthy we didn't really see that usage. I'm very curious what's going to happen with the new stuff whether we're going to see like those pinpole runs and things like that, trying to make use of his athleticism
Starting point is 00:45:01 if he hasn't. If he hasn't, yeah, exactly. He said he felt good in that podcast he did this week. So what was he going to say? He doesn't feel good. He sounded really honest when he talked about how terrible he felt all of last year and how much better he's feeling now.
Starting point is 00:45:16 So, I mean, for the, you know, it was like a setting where, like, you know, he was saying some crazy stuff on there, like how he believes in aliens and stuff. So I feel like he, I feel like he was, I feel like he had opened up and what's honest. Do you believe in aliens? I think given, like, statistically, like in the whole universe. Yeah. I think he meant like he thinks they've already come to Earth and living underwater or something. Like, he said he mentioned something like that. So living underwater.
Starting point is 00:45:46 You know, on an episode in which he said that aliens live underwater and he's pretty sure of it, I think you can be pretty sure that he was being honest about his injury. It was how I read into it. So maybe, maybe he was just trolling about the aliens thing. Yeah. Well, you should check it out. I talked about aliens for a while. Like they're, like they're fish or like their, like they're, like they're, they're,
Starting point is 00:46:15 breathing underwater or like... They didn't really get into it. I'm actually disappointed that the hosts did not... I mean, that's something kind of follow up on. They did not follow up very well with that. Yeah, but they seem to also be on team. They're aliens, so they didn't think it was like interesting enough to follow up on. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:46:30 Because they all seem to kind of be on board with this. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Like the just, just Game of Thrones. We just live in Game of Thrones. I mean, yeah. Okay. Weird stuff.
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Starting point is 00:49:05 Have we ever successfully had a flannel? I think you and E.J. have. Not just the one where he wore the shirt, but I think you guys have had some successful ones. I don't think we've ever done one with the three of us where we all have flannel. Sorry. No, I mean, drop the ball.
Starting point is 00:49:21 Do you think that the Eagles are fully good to go? along the edge if they don't come out of the draft with a guy in the first four rounds between Jalickson, Nolan Smith, Arnold DeBicati, and Jose Ramirez. And Brandon Graham. Though he's told you that he might be more of an inside guy this year. No, I think he said edge.
Starting point is 00:49:44 Oh, because they're set inside, he said, right? So it's a little different. He's thinking his body's an edge. Okay, got you. All right. It's not terrible. It's very similar to what it was going to, to last year, right? Very similar.
Starting point is 00:49:56 I mean, last year it was Nolan Smith, Jalix Hunt. And then instead of Abiketti, you had like Uchay and Aziz Ojolari. El Caronquo, yeah. So it's pretty similar to last year with the one positive change that Jalickson has now shown us that he can be maybe better than we thought he could be. And the one negative is that you have one year now of Nolan Smith not really getting through a season healthy, right? And so you wonder if that's an issue, is there a way? world in which they draft an edge in the first round.
Starting point is 00:50:29 Yes. Yeah. That's the one position where it seems like it would be an obvious way to make this year's team better, right? Yes. I think that's right. The one position where it... Like you're not going to draft a safety now.
Starting point is 00:50:43 It fits both timelines. Right, right. I think that's probably right. Yeah. So I guess wide receiver, if they move on from AJ Brown, would be the other answer there. But yeah. Yes. That's right.
Starting point is 00:50:53 That's right. So I guess that's the, I guess that's the thing. If you don't get that, is there a world where, I guess what, like, you know, Renard, Jonathan Renard just said that, like, he wants a Jalen Phillips style. Like, his agent said he wants, like, Jalen Phillips numbers. Like, if that's true, you're not going to trade for that guy. Correct. So, yeah, I mean, when you look at the potential ring chasing types,
Starting point is 00:51:19 I can bring back to Darius Smith. A second. Remember that? Oh, yeah, that worked out really well. You've got Genevion Clowny, Cameron Jordan, Von Miller, Dante Fowler, Derek Barnett. How fun would that be? Yeah, baby. Asand Reddick, Kyle Van Ney at age 35, Preston Smith, Leonard Floyd.
Starting point is 00:51:37 It's just old guys left. Oh, yeah. That's why they're left. Do you bring one of those guys in? Probably. But even if you do, what does that do? I mean. You have last year's quack to the future up there?
Starting point is 00:51:47 So I have the only quack to the future that you guys ever did, which was four years ago. I think we did one last year, but we called it something different. Okay. With just the futures guys, are you sure? Yeah, I think so. By the way, fascinating names on this. 22 quack to the future. None of these guys made the team.
Starting point is 00:52:03 Okay. How many carved out NFL careers? Well, that's the thing. So, Coyote, Aoschika was number of... I'm a Trajors fan now. You had him number one. Zach had him number two. Jacoby Stevens.
Starting point is 00:52:16 Well, I barely remember. Zach had is his number one guy to make the team that year. I'm taking that as a winner. It's my guy carved out of career in Jacobus Stevens tonight. There you go. Mac McCain and Jared Maiden. Mac McCain are the next guys. Who is Mac McCain?
Starting point is 00:52:30 Mac McCain and MacMick Williams will be the same guy in my brain on my deathbed. Who was Mac McCain? He was a corner. He was a corner. He was a corner of those like many corners that like how he obtained. Am I wrong? I can't think of Mac McCain. I'm pretty sure he was a corner. I can think of Jared Hayden. Mac Mac McCain.
Starting point is 00:52:48 Marvin Wilson. Big Marr. Big Marr. Yeah. Cameron Melvo, who had an incredible... Oh, yeah, I love that guy. Christian Ellis, Bo. You had him fifth on this list behind Mac McCain and Jared Maiden,
Starting point is 00:53:02 which makes me a question, just how much you actually liked Christian Ellis. It was that. Going into the 2022 season, you had him as less likely to make the team than Mac McCain, who you don't even remember, Jared Maiden and Jacobi Stevens. Well, it's proof in the pudding that I am not stuck in my opinions,
Starting point is 00:53:20 and I am, I can, I can change my mind based on new evidence. Fair. When I saw him on the field, it became clear. Also, you did have him ranked four about, four higher than Zach did. He had him ninth with only Dion. Only Dion came. Very clear that one person in your new ball. And Matt Leo behind this is Matt McCain.
Starting point is 00:53:36 He's a corner, right? Yeah. Yeah. North Carolina A&T. Craig James, who actually was on the team for a while, right? Yeah, you guys both had him pretty low. So, fun game. Goatangia.
Starting point is 00:53:48 You know, this year, this year, Dean Kane and Matt Leo. There are 16 guys who are futures this year. I think you and EJ should think about playing this. He sounds great. Quack to the future. He just gave us a day of an episode. There you go.
Starting point is 00:54:03 Fantastic. Yeah. It'd be fun. I'm supposed to come earlier in the offseason. It's now we can't be doing middle of draft. Perhaps doing a client to the future draft. I don't know. It might need to be a special primetime live episode or something.
Starting point is 00:54:17 We'd go live on Sunday after having talked to Howie, but this is what the show is. Yeah, exactly. We split it in two parts. Save it out of for the second. All right, defensive tackle. They're good to go, although this is one where actually,
Starting point is 00:54:29 I wouldn't be surprised if they drafted the guy just because he's the top one on their board. Jalen Carter, if you're planning for a Moro Jemot replacement. Is Byron Young going to be on the team? You know who hates Byron Young? Like, you know who like...
Starting point is 00:54:42 Byron Old? Hates Byron Young more than anyone in the world and like thinks about him more than anyone in the world? In front of the show, I want to be GM. Like all these talks. about how Byron Young is like a liability. I find it very funny.
Starting point is 00:54:54 I like, I like, um, write to him sometimes. And I don't think anybody else cares about this guy. Ty Robinson, Gabe Hall, Taekwon Graham. Um, you were talking about base and usage of base. And, and this is a good time to bring it up because when Vic plays base, the extra guy in is a defensive title. No trouble. Extra defensive tackles on the field.
Starting point is 00:55:15 There was a big difference in how much base was played last season compared to 2024. In 2024, there are fewer than nine base snaps a game. 16 base snaps a game last year. Almost twice as much. 24% overall, 71% of the time against big personnel, which actually was above NFL average. So, 2024 was an outlier. If you remember, when Cooper DeGine joined the lineup, we talked about how Vic was like very insistent on staying in nickel to keep Cooper DeGine on the field and how that was unusual for Vic, like how he had to always played more base in the past. Okay.
Starting point is 00:55:49 The combination of Jordan Davis being in shape and being able to play more snaps and the... And the other corner being such an obvious liability. Yeah. Like, kind of, kind of like led to that. Now, the question is, is that going to change this year? Yeah. Like, are we going to see more nickel again? Because the other corner is presumably going to be less of a liability.
Starting point is 00:56:12 But then you can just, if the safety is a liability, then you move to Jean. Move to Dijian there. Yeah, exactly. So I guess that's a topic for. when we get to those positions. Okay. Linebackers should be good to go. Zach Bond,
Starting point is 00:56:25 Jahad Campbell, Jeremiah Trotter, Smile Mondin, Chance Campbell. Take a chance, take a chance, and then what, they'll draft a guy late? Or no, undrafted guy,
Starting point is 00:56:33 and also a veteran of some low degree of experience? Yes. That seems like how they'll approach that. That sounds right. How do you feel about the corner group? So, one spot where, you know,
Starting point is 00:56:47 up until like the fifth round, that would be shock if they draft a guy. I agree. On paper, this should be the best corner room in the NFL, right? Bonion Mitchell, Rikwollen, Cooper DeGine, incredible starting group if Rekwollen plays close to what he's been able to do. You've been watching a little tape, right? Yeah, well, EJ texted me to ask, like, you know,
Starting point is 00:57:08 what are they going to do with, I think he said on the show that he texted me to ask. I was in Mexico on a beach and I got the test. That's right, that's right. And it was like, is Rikwlin going to play boundary or field? And you dropped everything. Dropped everything. Including your son into the ocean. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:25 Emily saved him. It was like I had to hit the film. So it was interesting because there were games where Witherspoon played to the boundary and then Job and Reekwollen rotated to the field. There were other games where it was the opposite. And it was hard for me to tell what made it what. Now in the playoffs, Reekwlin was very clearly the field corner. Witherspoon was playing to the boundary, and then Witherspoon would go into the slot when they played dime.
Starting point is 00:57:55 But even then Job would play to the boundary and Willen would play to the field. If that pattern continues, Quigionan Mitchell played to the boundary all of last year, then you would have Quinyon boundary Rikwlin field. Let me remind everyone, though, 2024, Slay played on the left and Quigionan played on the right all the season. And I think Vic probably prefers that, where they just know, like, which side they're on rather than boundary field. Probably right. So if he sees Reekwlin as being like a sleigh-level, reliable corner, then we could go back to left-right as well.
Starting point is 00:58:30 So, yeah, we'll see. You think Keelaringo makes the team? Very good special team, per. I think if he is not traded, then he makes the team. Okay. Yes. Jonathan Jones, MacMach Williams, not to be confused with Mac McCain. Therick Castro Fields.
Starting point is 00:58:45 That's a guy that people don't know, yeah. Chikorian Bennett, no way he makes a team, right? It would be a surprise. He was so bad. I mean, he was so, so bad. Who knows? Fran's going to tell you, he knew it all along. Well, Fran was right.
Starting point is 00:59:00 Ambri Thomas is the other guy. And Mac McCain. Mac McCain, what's he doing these days? I don't know. It's in a podcast, probably. And Adori Jackson, not brought back, number given away. I think we can say that. Yes.
Starting point is 00:59:15 Well, we've got one more position to do that. talk about if we don't count special teams professor and we're going to do it in overtime. The one spot where we don't know who wouldn't start today if the season started. You got Drew McCuba, Marcus Epps, and Michael
Starting point is 00:59:34 Carter, and then you've also got J.T. Gray, Andre Sam and the great Brandon Johnson. Do you think Brandon Johnson is a safety on their internal depth chart? I think today he is. I don't know if he will become training camp if he makes it that far.
Starting point is 00:59:51 So Michael Carter, my understanding is that the team is making a push to let people know that he's a safety in their eyes and that he's a candidate at safety. E.J. has reported it as such. Okay. Now, in this setting, right, I wanted to go back and remember what Vic Fangio has said about Michael Carter. So he arrives by a trade at the deadline. November 13th, Vic has asked about him. He says, yeah, I think he's a good name. That's his best position. He's learning the nuances of our defense. Everything's totally new for him. More to learn. But I like him. If we need another nickel, he's going in.
Starting point is 01:00:33 Two weeks later, he's asked about Michael Carter. He says he's a good player, a good natural football player, understands the game, good instincts, good technique. We're pleased to have him. Next, he's asked on the same day, do you see him in the mix at safety? And Vic says he's gone into these last few games as our fourth safety. and then in the Dallas game when McCuba gets hurt
Starting point is 01:00:54 game could have gone to overtime Vic said yeah if we had kept going Carter would have been playing safety and Cooper DeGine would have been later that means that he jumped over somebody in the interim right and then later we had the snaps of one safety on the field
Starting point is 01:01:14 or like Epps coming off and Carter coming on where they were playing man coverage and Carter was basically playing like a second slot. So that's where we were. Now, if it's a camp battle between Marcus Epps and Michael Carter, with Drew McCuba as the other safety, that's somewhat interesting because the Michael Carter advantage over Marcus Epps is that he's better in man coverage, that he's better closer to the line of scrimmage. Before Drew McCuba got hurt last year, when Vic played man coverage, which, if you recall, he played a lot more last year than he did the year before, it was almost always
Starting point is 01:01:48 McCuba as that man-covered safety on the tight end with Reed playing in the post. And so if you already have that guy who can play man coverage, you need a second guy who's going to be good at man coverage. Like, do you really want Macuba and Michael Carter as your two guys?
Starting point is 01:02:05 One young guy and one guy who's never really played safety. Or do you want the veteran presence of Marcus Hepps? My feeling is, I think I'd rather, I'd feel more comfortable with Marcus Hepps out there, especially because based on everything that everyone said last year with Jahad Campbell and with Drew McCuba both on the field.
Starting point is 01:02:22 Now they'll both be second year, not rookies this time, but you kind of need a veteran to make sure everyone's lined up right and all those things. Now, Michael Carter's a veteran too, but like... There's just, uh, there's more theoretical upside to Michael Carter because he hasn't done it, because he's younger, there's a possibility that this could be the position that is right for him and he's ever been asked to do it and he sees it really well. but to have that paired with sort of certainty of what you're going to get from Marcus Epps if he stays healthy is I think that's a fine pairing for guys to compete I still think
Starting point is 01:02:58 that would be surprised if they don't add somebody else in the draft or either trade yeah guys on the street are like no no the street's not moving the needle no yeah Gibreel Peppers Harrison Smith, who I can't imagine is going to play for another team. Donovan Wilson. They would have to give him 86. That's right. That's right. Donovan Wilson, Xavier Woods, Kyle Dugger, Jordan Poyer, Chuck Clark.
Starting point is 01:03:25 Taylor Rapp might be the most interesting name. I mean, yeah, it's not. Yeah. This is the position that I'm most surprised at. You open the show saying, I thought how he did a great job and all that. Like, this is the one where I'm just like, eyes open. Have I been sinking? Are you really not?
Starting point is 01:03:44 willing to pay Reed Blankenship, $8 million a year, just to keep the leadership and the steadiness. While paying Andy Dalton 4. And while paying Braden Mann, like a lot of money to be an average league average punter. Yeah. I'm just a little bit, I was a little bit confused by that.
Starting point is 01:04:03 I understand philosophically, like in an ideal world, you're able to replace guys like Reed Blankenship. I get that. At the same time, like given that we're talking about, this could be the last year of Vic and the last year of this defense being good and Reed was such an important part of it and you're already letting Nikobi go
Starting point is 01:04:19 letting those two guys who are kind of like the brains of the defense on the field like both go and not replacing them with you know like high level players it seems like a dangerous way to do it and yet here we are question in the chat for you professor how are we feeling after yesterday's win
Starting point is 01:04:41 for Turkey. Yeah. It was a very nerve wracking, 90 minutes for me. And, you know, we haven't been in the World Cup in 24 years. 24 years.
Starting point is 01:04:53 I was 24 years old when we got to the semis. We got to the semis in 2002 and had had some heartbreaking Tundjai. Close losses since. Tunjai was not on that team. He joined right after the Euro
Starting point is 01:05:07 semifinals in 2008, lost in the playoffs to Switzerland, in 2006 haven't really come close since to getting into the World Cup. Now with this expanded format, there are a couple more teams coming in from Europe, but not that many more. Play against Kosovo on Tuesday.
Starting point is 01:05:22 They feel. It's to get in. They play in this 13,000 person stadium in Kosovo. That looks like my high school, my high school's football stadium. I mean, like it looks tiny. And I'm worried that the atmosphere there is going to be weird.
Starting point is 01:05:39 That's real Kankakaf vibes for you. Just like real bounce of a weird. Yeah. I mean, we have plenty of those games in Europe too. Like you play San Marino. You play Liechtenstein, you know, like, and the Turkish team tends to have a lot of trouble in those games. I remember losing to Malta, you know, games like that. So, yeah, I'm a little concerned.
Starting point is 01:05:58 Lost to Latvia in a, in a playoff to get into Euros, into the Euros in 2004. This is the most talented Turkish national team, I think, ever. Really? Yeah, because like the top. three players are like all like incredible. Like, you know, you'll get, like, Kenan Yildos is like one of the best players on Juventus. Like, Arda Gullar is like a regular on Reaadamadad now.
Starting point is 01:06:19 Like, um, Ha-Kanchangelo has been like a really good player. There's a guy, Karay Oglo. Yeah, Farad is very good. Like, they work really well together. There's no real striker presence. Like playing with like a,
Starting point is 01:06:33 like a false nine now. But yeah, I think, I think we should be fine against Kosovo. And if we, if we get past that, I think we'd be the best team in, in that group as well. Oh, shots fired. It's an easy group.
Starting point is 01:06:45 It's an easy group. Wow. Yeah, you got two non-socker countries in Paraguay. I mean, yeah. We have a super chat, I believe. From Matthew Greenwood. How reasonable of a move would it be for
Starting point is 01:07:06 Alvin, to trade a day three pick for Alvin Kamara into this backfield as more of a backup receiver in the backfield. You might need that time machine to make that make sense. I'm not seeing the need for Alvin Kamara. No. No offense. Not either.
Starting point is 01:07:21 Yeah. Plus he has a real contract too. That's it. Yeah. Thank you, Matthew. Though bringing up Alvin Kamara makes me wonder if this offense will finally throw the ball to the running back this year. Well, probably not.
Starting point is 01:07:35 No. I had one other take I was hoping to get off my jest at some point this week and I kept forgetting about it. You've seen the whole Cam Scataboo thing? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where they like, you know, what is he? He says CT doesn't exist. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:51 I'm sorry. Cam Skadabu does not need to like apologize for this take. Cam Skynabu is a moron. Everybody knows he's a moron. Why do we care what he's saying? You know what I mean? This is not like, I think, I think this is a much bigger issue problem that sometimes you don't have to care what the morons say.
Starting point is 01:08:14 you're saying it's the audience's fault for for amplifying and caring about yeah let him let him say it into the void nobody needs to report on the fact that cam scadaboo is a dumb guy there are lots of dumb people out there whose opinions we don't need to know and especially don't need to care about he's got to type up an apology which is only going to make him feel more dumb and more attacked for being dumb guy this is a guy who's like his whole personality is his teammates calling him a moron. Who cares what he thinks? I hear you. I mean, this is a
Starting point is 01:08:53 commentary on society, really. This isn't about Cam Scadaboo. Yes. Nothing should really be about Camp Scadaboo. I agree. Let the dumb people be dumb. Just don't give him positions of power. What's his deal, by the way? Is he going to play this here? Probably not. No.
Starting point is 01:09:17 That was gruesome. injury. All right. His brain was okay, that was in the injury. It's fine. Yeah, I mean,
Starting point is 01:09:27 how do you give him a concussion test? That's a tough one. I've never met the guy. I'm not going to say anything. All right. Good stuff, everybody.
Starting point is 01:09:43 Just, Jake Elliott is rolling into the weekend. We've now mentioned every player. Oh, oh, you said, Bradman. Yeah, how do you feel about going
Starting point is 01:09:49 into the, no long sniper wilderness? Oh, how he loves. nothing how he loves more than like not having Howard Brown's been on that on that pro day circuit he's gonna like not have a long snapper week one either I bet
Starting point is 01:10:00 he loves he loves the practice squad shenanigans with long snapper it's gonna be and punter he's done it with punter in the best yeah all right thank you Ethan thank you professor a reminder EJ and I will be with you
Starting point is 01:10:17 for a live show we're expecting around 10 or 11 Eastern time on Sunday night so don't miss it you guys meeting how we at a bar or something not not a lot to say it's three hours it's a three hour time time oh it's Arizona yeah yeah I forgot yeah yeah you know I almost missed my flight after the Super Bowl from back from Arizona because I didn't realize the time difference was because of daylight savings is weird there or something there was like something they'd do it for only half the year yeah my flight was like an hour they don't change and I didn't realize so
Starting point is 01:10:52 I thought the game... But you were already there? No, but I thought the game... When I bought my flight, I thought the Super Bowl was at 3.30, but it was at 4.30. So I was wrong about when the game was. Okay.
Starting point is 01:11:03 So the game ended like an hour later than I thought. And then we almost couldn't get an Uber after... Oh, you stole someone else? Feldman had to hide... Feldman hijacked somebody else's Uber. Yeah. Did I ever tell you on the show that I met Feldman's brother? He came and introduced himself at Reading Terminal.
Starting point is 01:11:18 Oh, running terminal. Not on the show. You mentioned about the show. Yeah. Go to Feldman's brother. Shout out. to Feldman's brother, that's right. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:25 Yeah. The thing I think of with Feldman's brother, Feldman is a great story where he and his brother went to a San Francisco Giants game and they sat in the outfield and they just thought they had like normal tickets. But it was bring your dog day. And they were in the dog section. So everybody else in the section had a dog. Which they did not enjoy it all.
Starting point is 01:11:48 So they actually like went and complained and I think they said they were. allergic or something even though they're not. And they got like they got like comped like really nice seats. Right. Yeah. So that's what I think of when I think of Fultman's brother. So yeah, shout out. Both of them know how to make plays. I like that. I have to tell Fultman to listen to the episode now because he gets brought up. I will not tell him in what minute he gets brought up. That's good. Hopefully it's a, yeah, now you're going to tell him later. And we don't talk about them at all on that and we'll just keep him on his stuff. There you go. All right, thanks everybody. Enjoy the weekend. We will talk to you Sunday night. And as always, we love you.
Starting point is 01:12:22 Thank you.

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