PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Makai Lemon Tops List of Eagles We Can’t Wait To See In Training Camp

Episode Date: July 22, 2026

Who’s going to give you the juice the first week of Eagles training camp? Makai Lemon and Eli Stowers in the rookie class, Riq Woolen as the flashy newcomer, DeVonta Smith in a new role? Maybe Jalen... Hurts in the new offense? We’re running down the list of the Eagles we can’t wait to see when camp starts NEXT WEEK! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 One week from today, training camp starts. Who are we most excited to see when the Eagles hit the practice field, put the pads on? E.J. and I are going to run through our lists next on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. Jay Smith and E.J., we are seven days away from the first Eagles practice in the summer. How are you doing? I'm doing well. I decided to go backwards hat today. You know, we'll put the listeners behind the curtain. Listen, maybe this is a, yeah,
Starting point is 00:00:54 this is like a little movie making, a little preview of something to come later in the episode. I hope not. I don't know what that is in reference to. I was just going to tell everybody, I'm off the next two days. So this is like my Friday. Oh, this is the beginning of easy breezy.
Starting point is 00:01:08 This is easy breezy. Quitting time is when E.J. flips that hat around. Here we go. This is a Friday for me, and that's why you got easy, breezy backwards hat E. DJ today. All right. I like that.
Starting point is 00:01:20 Now I realize what you're talking about. Yeah, maybe you'll see somebody else with the easy breadcrum that you're dropping. backwards had, yeah. Yeah, fantastic. All right, good stuff.
Starting point is 00:01:27 Now, our job today, EJ, is we're just, we're going to have a nice, this is a friendly draft. After yesterday's, this is a non-competitive draft. This is a personal draft.
Starting point is 00:01:39 There are no bad picks. There's no using the first overall pick on the worst left tackle that anybody drafts on their teams. It's totally fine. I have regrets. If I'm being honest. It's a fun draft.
Starting point is 00:01:51 And I'll tell you what, as training camp is a week away, I'm, you know, I know deep down, I will be happy when training camp starts. There is nothing better than being there in the summer, watch and practice. It is the best time to be a beat reporter. You are the eyes and ears. You get to see these guys. The storylines develop, but also it's little data points of as you follow them throughout their career.
Starting point is 00:02:13 And you're just watching ball. It's great. Right now, you know, I would be happy for the. summer to continue. That's fine. But doing this exercise and running through the roster and we're like, who am I really excited to see? This was my first time being a little juice. I'm getting a little bit of juice. Okay. I get a little bit of juice for football practice. Yeah, I was going to say, it is fun. You start to think about all of the different players that you're going to be keeping an eye on. 91 different storylines, different people. 92? Yeah, I mean,
Starting point is 00:02:42 they still got Tucker large, I believe, is on IR. Okay. So they got 92 on the roster going in. Big storyline. How large can he get? On IR? I mean, there are no limits. I like when a person has a last name that is an adjective. Tucker Large. Rachel has a co-worker, a guy named Bill Smart. Got out to Bill Smart.
Starting point is 00:03:05 That's a great one. Tucker Large, that's good too. I like those. Bill is very smart. Let me know your favorite adjective last names in the chat. That could get a little dicey. What about Maximus Pully? You believe that pulley is an adjective?
Starting point is 00:03:20 I mean, it's not a word that you'd find in Merriam-Webster, but I mean, if you say the word pulley, like if you said someone's pulley, you can figure out what that means. I guess. Early Super Chad from CDP, how do you rank strength of these relationships? This is interesting.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Jalen and Nick, Nick and Howie, and Howie and Jalen. Okay, I think... It's a good question. I think we know what is last. I think we know it's first too Nick and Howie is first
Starting point is 00:03:51 They're so chummy when they're on the podium together Yeah but is that performative Oh it's performative but Jailet and Nick don't do that when they're around each other But I think that could be that could that could mean more I don't I think there was a time when Jalen and Nick would have definitely Been
Starting point is 00:04:09 I think there was a time and they would have been third I think right now there's no doubt in my mind That Howie Jalen is dead last Yeah, I would say so. Yeah, and that's that to some degree is normal. I mean, franchise quarterback in the GM, if you're like an entrenched franchise quarterback. Very good question to start the show. Yeah, shout out to CDP.
Starting point is 00:04:27 What is CDP doing asking a real question? I mean, he asks real questions sometimes. I know. Yeah, CDP, great. Shout out to CDP. Yeah, if you're like Josh Allen, you probably have a good relationship with your GM. Yeah. But if you are.
Starting point is 00:04:41 There's no, there's no sense for, to Brett Veach to ruffle feathers with Patrick Mahoney. Right. But if you're not in that complete upper echelon, you know, one of the three quarterbacks drafted in the one per 32 team type of quarterback, even Lamar Jackson would have a contentious relationship with his gym too. So I guess it's pretty normal. I think I would also venture to say that I think that relationship is worse than it has been.
Starting point is 00:05:04 Yeah, I don't think that it's like hostile, but yeah, I think it's probably businesslike. Yeah, I also think it is not interpersonally nasty. it is just They see each other for who they are. Well, and also it's like minions doing work against that person. You know what I mean? It's like seeding out doubt in this person.
Starting point is 00:05:28 And as opposed to being like talking smack directly or something like that. Whereas I would imagine there are times when Howie and Nick have actually had vocal disagreements with each other, but that does not necessarily mean that it's a fractured relationship. That's why this has made me even more convicted
Starting point is 00:05:45 that Nick and Howie are the best one. I think that they're probably the closest. They might argue, but I don't know. I don't think there's a mutual respect between Jalen and Nick, but I don't think they're close. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think you're probably right,
Starting point is 00:05:59 but I also think that Howie views Nick as, puppet is too strong of a word. I'm very curious to hear what word you're going to go here. But someone who is well suited to do, who is well positioned to allow him to do what he wants to do. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, but I don't think that Nick's resentful.
Starting point is 00:06:27 And I also don't think that Nick is unaware of that. Yeah, I don't think he's resentful. I think Nick understands the nature of that relationship. Yeah. Yeah. I think Nick appreciates how I feel like you. I think you're probably right. I think that is the strongest relationship.
Starting point is 00:06:38 Mm-hmm. But I also think I think that Nick Jalen is a pretty healthy relationship right now. I agree. I think it's totally healthy. Like mutual respect, I think that they work well together, but I don't think they're close. I think that the ship has sailed on that. No, but I think they are,
Starting point is 00:06:53 I think they are, the mutual respect of it, I think means that they are as close as they have probably been. I agree. Yeah. They're also like they are the ones who have worn the wounds of everything that this team has been through over the past five years more than anybody else.
Starting point is 00:07:12 Depends on how you, like how you would define a good relationship. Like I think Nick and Howie are way more like, to be like, you know, giggling as they walk down the hallway together. But like Nick and Jalen have like been through real things and gotten through things together. So, yeah, it depends on how you define a relationship. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:29 That's a good philosophical discussion. I feel like we're got the show is done. I think we didn't get out. Let's have it. You think our wives are like proud of us when we talk about relationships on the show? You think that they're like, those are some like well-adjusted men right there? I don't think our wives are listening to this show. Oh, speak for yourself and your family.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Julia watches the show. I called Julia on my way home. I just hear her listening to the draft in the background, which he picks up the phone. That is a tough one to listen to for a non-sicum. It was my first time, first time doing the draft. I felt okay about it. I wouldn't draft Laramie Tonsel first if I could do it over again.
Starting point is 00:08:05 I just like I should have drafted Sonny Stiles later in the draft. Well, it just doesn't make sense. I understand the thought process behind it because he is the best player in that team. And it's a bad team. is an important position, but you're drafting an important position and you're not getting the best one. Yeah, I really, I think I just,
Starting point is 00:08:23 I just overthought the game theory. But again, you know, next year, we're coming for this. Okay. How does it feel to finish second? I mean, I very clearly finished first. No, I think you actually quite clearly finish second. No, it was a close, it was a close battle. Don't let, don't let Fran's vocal,
Starting point is 00:08:41 uh, assured this. I heard anything other than the fact that I have the most best players at their position in the draft. Just because you say that doesn't mean it's true. Okay. Who's the best left tackle in football? Who's the best edge rusher in football? Who's the best safety in football?
Starting point is 00:08:58 Who's the best corner in football? I don't know. I'll check friends seem to find out. Okay. I think Fran won. I think most people agreed that Fran won. Fran only wins if you really buy into the cult of McVeigh. And when the...
Starting point is 00:09:11 You didn't have McVeigh. Oh, okay. Oh, Ben Johnson, the cult of Ben Johnson. You just like guys who take their shirts off. But these rosters are so loaded that coaching matters less. I agree with that. I also think that Matt LaFour is the guy who drafted in Sean McVeigh. We should probably do some of the training camp stuff.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Dinkleberg, Super Chat, comes in, says, where does How Weed Roseman fit into all of this? Honestly, I think you can make a case that How Weed Roseman is the cause of whatever discontent there is between Howie and Jalen in the sense that one night he sparks up and he's like, Jalen is good, but what if we could get like Joe Burrow, dude? Oh, man, can you imagine? So I think that's how that went. Okay.
Starting point is 00:10:20 You know Howie Ed Roseman a little more intimately than I do. I would have suspected Howe Ewee-Rosman is a little bit more laid back, and maybe that makes him less, you know, panicky about Jalen and the future. But I think that's probably a good point. He's dreaming up all the possibilities. All right. Let's kick things off here.
Starting point is 00:10:37 The idea here is just we are just drafting the players that we are most excited to see come training camp. Let's get to the right people presented by our friends at True Mark Financial. No snake draft here. Just ping pong and math back and forth. You get to go first, DJ. Who are you most excited to see when camp began? I think it has to be.
Starting point is 00:11:00 Mackay Lemon, the guy on the thumbnail, the guy that we have not really seen as much of as we would have expected that by this point in the all season, he didn't really participate much in spring practices. You know, he looked good during rookie mini camp, I would say, but it's a very limited sample size. So yeah, I think Mackay Lemon, what I did for all the players that I listed here is I listed the question that I want them to answer. Okay. And I think McCoy Lemon's, a lot of these are straightforward. For him, it is, can he be the second wide receiver in that room? Can he be the third highest volume target getter in the offense behind Devante Smith and Dallas Goddard. And that's a big projection right now.
Starting point is 00:11:36 We just haven't seen very much of him. So not only what does he look like, but how is he used? I think it's going to be very instructive. And like there's actually a needle to be moved based off of how Mikhailimann looks in training camp. I totally agree. I think he's the most exciting guy to watch. And I actually do think, and shout out to Ryan, who made this point the other evening
Starting point is 00:11:58 when we were talking to him. It feels like for a first round wide receiver, there is less excitement about Mackay Lemon from the fan base than there usually is for that position. I think a lot of that is because it means that A.J. Brown is gone, and he is replacing him, and those are big shoes to fill. But usually, you know, when you draft a Jalen Rager or a Devante Smith, like everybody is like, oh, this is going to be the most exciting thing of training camp
Starting point is 00:12:26 because it's a fun position to watch. it's a guy who's supposed to make an immediate impact. And it feels like that has not fully been the case with Mikhail Lemon. He's also not coming and expecting to be the number one wide receiver. You've got Devante and maybe you're just as excited about seeing what level Devante can get to. But yeah, in terms of seeing how he fits into the offense, how he's being used. Just the very first practice we saw in the spring in the bubble where it was like he's, he is in purposeful motion on almost every snap. He's lining up in the slot, but he's moving all around.
Starting point is 00:12:58 and Gieland is throwing him the ball over the middle of the field. If that was a portend of what's to come, that's great. And I think that will be very exciting. Now, he is not the most flashy skill set player. Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. Right. And so it's not like he's going to be mossing guys down the field or running past guys necessarily.
Starting point is 00:13:16 But he's more of a technician. So how does that play out in a training camp sense? He also has to prove he can stay healthy. You know, a hamstring is not a great thing for a wide receiver. Right. There are some real questions about how he is integrated into the offense. But if he is who the Eagles think he is, he's going to be a huge part of this season, and it will all obviously begin next week.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Yeah, it's interesting you say that about the relative lack of enthusiasm. Not to say that people are pessimistic, but you're right. There's not like a hype train for Kai Lemon going into training camp. I wonder if it is because, like, you look at somebody like Jalen Rager. I mean, obviously Devante had like a historic college season that played into this. this. But otherwise, like, the Jalen Rager hype, who are some of the other guys, like Nelson Aguilar, I don't know if there was a lot of hype for Aguilar. It was, but yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:05 I feel like maybe because of the way Mikhail Lemon wins not being quite as flashy. Yeah. And also that being tied into, like, the offense has to look a certain way to really maximize him. I think, like, there needs to be a clear vision for it. Maybe there's just, like, a little bit more projection and what it has to look like for him to, like, hit his ceiling. But the thing I would say is, like, I feel like, if it was. works, Philly fans are going to love him because of what you've, what we've heard about his
Starting point is 00:14:31 toughness, about the, you know, the way that he is, you know, after the catch, you know, like that, I mean, like, people will say, like, he's got, like, that dog in him, right? Like, I think Philadelphians would be, like, crazy about that aspect of his game if we get to a point where he can really showcase that. That's right. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm, I'm very excited to just let the McCoy Lemon experience wash over me. Yeah. I mean, you know that as much as the hype hasn't really taken off. If like there are a couple of days where he like routs somebody up, which he is capable of doing, it'll start to build. There'll be, I mean, I've seen mediocre receivers get some hype in training camp as we talked about last week. I think he'll get,
Starting point is 00:15:09 he'll get a chance at it. Okay. Good stuff. Now, I'm going to do something here where, which is not what I would normally do. Okay. I am, I am excited to see Jalen Hertz this summer. We should have went the other way. I know. I would have taken Jailen here. Normally, Jaylen is like the least interesting part of training camp. That's important. But the fact that it is such a new offense, it is also the post AJ. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:35 Like what is his personality going to be like in camp? I'm excited to, I'm interested and curious to see what like persona he's bringing to the table. Is this the ride the golf cart with Dom and smile around? Is it all business? Yeah. You know, some combination of both. Is he, you know, spending a lot of time with Mackay Lemon off to the side?
Starting point is 00:15:56 like just just following that. And then obviously we're talking he's got a he's adding a heavy degree of under center to his repertoire. He knows everybody wants him to throw over the middle of the field. I don't care almost at all about like his completion percentages or anything like the actual on-field results. I just want to know how it looks. He's going up against a difficult defense. So it might not be pretty. the stats aren't going to matter to me at all
Starting point is 00:16:28 to the degree that there are stats but I am curious to see just what Jalen looks like this summer Can I maybe you know dredge up some hot take Tuesday stuff here? Sure. I kind of want him to throw some interceptions. Sure.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Like I want to see him take risks. Like here are the things that I will care about. Here are the things that will move the needle for me. Jalen Hertz threw an interception to Andrew McCuba on day two of cam. and separate Makuba from it. Jalen Hertz threw an interception to a linebacker or a safety in camp. I actually really don't mind that.
Starting point is 00:16:58 That's not going to mind. That's not going to Bob. Honestly, I might even find encouragement in something like that. On the contrary, Jalen Hertz had a really good day. He hit Devante Smith, Dallas Goddert, and Mackay Lemon on go balls down the sideline. Not going to move the needle for me at all. Yeah, that will not actually matter to me. Yeah, it's like, great.
Starting point is 00:17:17 That's encouraging that he could do it, but we knew that that was already something you could do. Jalen Hertz only completed three or four passes, but, you know, really struggled with the traffic in the middle of the field. I actually, like, think you're going to need to see that against a really good defense. And in this system, I do think it's going to, like, the context is going to matter
Starting point is 00:17:35 and what you hear about Jalen. So, you know, in the past, like, probably earlier in Jalen's career, if you had heard, like, Jalen Hertz just got intercepted in practice, like the social media alarm bells ring. I think, like, when you hear that, like, people out there, like, following practice,
Starting point is 00:17:49 like, wait for our show. figure out like what happened you know was it an over the field you know was it something where he was taking a risk because i think the eagles often seeds more of that obviously okay good start those the right people presented by true mark credit union take a quick break come back on the other side and continue this friendly draft we don't touch each other very often we know you love spending a full nine at the bank, but how about making a little bank with our friends at Bet365? We get it. 82 games at home, you got places to be. So whether you're trying to beat parking lot traffic or the victory brewing line, sometimes getting out of the game early is the move. And that is why
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Starting point is 00:20:22 Touching. It's a touching Wednesday. She's like, I can't remember the last time we touched each other. I don't know the last time I touched you. We talk a lot. You know, our love language in here is words of affirmation. It's not personal touch.
Starting point is 00:20:36 Well, you know. You're like, speak for yourself. So far. Try to take it to the next level. Don't friends own me. I have. friend zoned you All right,
Starting point is 00:20:52 you get the next pick. Are you excited to see? So again, what I did, and because we're doing this, if you keep taking people off the board, I'm going to be going through a lot of players who do have like question marks rather than players who,
Starting point is 00:21:06 you know, you have like a specific question you want to answer that's like, you know what player they are. And for me, Drew McCuba is the third player here. And that is a player, again, with a question mark about really something that we've talked about
Starting point is 00:21:19 I like the way you framed it where it's like, Drew McCuba is actually probably the most important safety to watch over someone like Marcus Epps for Michael Carter. I know they're competing for a job, but I think Drew McCuba is going to be the one that raises the ceiling for the safety group. You know, the floor, like we can talk about it. He might also raise the floor if he is a consistent player
Starting point is 00:21:38 based off of what we saw last year. So the Eagles are making a big bet on him being like a shorefire starter. Like, you know, he can't come in and have a shaky training camp. all of us you know then all of a sudden are we talking about Marcus Epps and Michael Carter as the first team safety so he has to pick up where he left off before he got hurt last year and this is going to be our chance to see if he can do that okay well said yeah if this was a list of the most important players in training camp I think he would be higher on the list than I have him yeah personally it just you know safeties are not necessarily always the the sexiest people to watch during camp because you can't exactly tell but all the all the reasons you said are true I think he's one of the most important players on the team this season. For me, I'm going, I'm going O-R. Oh, that's a fun.
Starting point is 00:22:28 I can't wait to see O-R. And from a few standpoints, not only are we just following and getting to witness this guy beginning to play a sport, with those insane measurables, it's also, if this goes the way we expect it to go, that O'R is going to be here for a while.
Starting point is 00:22:45 Yeah. It's like, these are going to be the flashbulbs, that we're going to look back on in our memory of, man, three years from now, remember what O'R was like his rookie training camp? Yeah. You know,
Starting point is 00:22:56 he couldn't do anything, and, and you're, like, he's getting pushed around, and he's standing straight up. You know, there's no pad level.
Starting point is 00:23:03 Yeah, whatever is. But that one time, he pushed Michael Morris back into the backfield, like, oh, and you finally have to see how strong he was.
Starting point is 00:23:11 There will be some moments like that this summer. You know, maybe there will be his version of Joe Ostman. I was just about to ask, who was his version of Joe Osstman. And it's a little bit different when you're stopping someone as opposed to running past someone. But yeah, I can't wait to see that you are. You know, when they get pads on and we actually get to see them, especially because, you know, in the spring, they're so far away.
Starting point is 00:23:32 The defensive linemen, we don't get to watch them up close as much. Yeah. That will not be the case come the summer. So I would add Josh Wiru on this list as well. I think he's being a little bit slept on because he is also a very exciting prospect. I just want to see. And let's see those guys. I'm trying to figure out who's going to be.
Starting point is 00:23:48 be his Joe Osman, who is going to be like the undrafted rookie that could just get the better of him on one play and it's like, man, like, he's got to figure this guy out. Could it be like Jaden Roberts? Like, could it be a young guy like that that just like has a moment? My other question for you is, do you think that he will get one-on-one reps early? Or do you think they'll try and hide him for a little bit? Because sometimes, like, the young guys really don't get one-on-one reps right away? You almost have to like earn a rep. I feel like they're going to want to see it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:21 I think we will. Yeah. But I could be wrong. We'll see. Yeah. Yeah. I hope so. I mean,
Starting point is 00:24:26 that will be, that is like theater. That is popcorn stuff. The very first one-on-one rep of his entire life. That would be great. That really is like just a crazy thing to think about. Like the first one-on-one pass rushing rep of his life. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:40 We might be there to see it. Great. And you know, who knows what will happen from there? Were you there for Jordan Milottis, you think? I'm sure I was there for it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:47 I don't, I don't specifically remember the first one. It's funny because the Milata experience informs that like we will probably be more like aware and sentimental about UR's experience. And that's probably, I mean, it's not an experience and it's singular to us.
Starting point is 00:25:01 It's completely unrealistic to think it goes as well as the Milata one did. Yeah, but still I think like it's funny because across the organization that probably seeps in sometimes where it's like we are going to like mark these moments because of what it could become. You know?
Starting point is 00:25:16 Like it's more. special when you know what is at least possible. I like that pick, though. I like who are as a, so I mean, we will be, we'll be watching them. Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to stay on the defensive tackle room here, and I'm going to go with Jalen Carter. He was literally next on my list. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:32 And my question is, are his shoulders healthy enough for him to wreck a practice? I just want to see if Jalen Carter's out there listening, you know, maybe he's, you know, winding down his vacation, getting ready for training camp and he tuned in for the show, just wreck one practice. We just want to see one practice, one team session. I'd even just take that. One team session where it's like, yeah, they couldn't get anything done because Jalen Carter was angry.
Starting point is 00:25:56 It was hot and he just decided that he wasn't in the mood for them to function today. We know he has that ability. Totally agree. He has that ability. He did not show it as much last year because of the injuries. If he's healthy enough to do it, you should feel great about how Jalen Carter will look this year. Now,
Starting point is 00:26:12 how many turkeys would you put on the possibility that Jalen Carter is kind of holding in, not really practicing at all. Yeah, that's the other big question, yeah, is whether or not he actually is going to practice. I suspect he'll practice, but as I've said, like, and I haven't heard anything to suggest otherwise at this point. I don't think that they're close on the deal. You know, maybe this is the type of thing that comes back from camp and something changes, but where they left it, like, I'm not sure that he's going to have like a day one extension, but I just, I have a hard. hard time seeing, I'm like, hold in.
Starting point is 00:26:45 It just has been so long since we've seen someone do it with the Eagles. I don't know. Do you think if there's a real chance? I think there's a possibility. Yeah, I don't know what to expect. What are, like, the recent examples in the NFL for a player like Jalen Carter to hold in? Like, I don't know. I feel like it doesn't happen as much anymore.
Starting point is 00:27:04 I feel like it happens relatively often. No? Like, in the way that Carter's going to be where he's got, I mean, he's got years left on this deal. I don't know. Maybe I'm underselling it. Maybe. I don't, I honestly, I don't know what to expect. Yeah, I mean, it was, it was the secondary question I had for Carter is like, is the extension, you know, the gap on the extension going to keep him from being at practice?
Starting point is 00:27:27 But again, it just feels like the Eagles have navigated this. Like, Zach Ertz is the last player I can think of, had like a contract or a trade thing going into camp and he was there. Maybe Jalen Carter will die his hair blonde. There you go. That would be fun. That would be fun. Maybe 25 turkeys.
Starting point is 00:27:46 You just talked me into it. That's about right? Yeah, 25 turkeys that he holds in. But I'm with you. I want to, if he's on the field, I want to see, you know, domination. Yeah. And obviously he is capable of that.
Starting point is 00:27:59 The only thing he had last year is when he hit Cam Juergens and like the earhole of his helmet. Oh, yeah. It was definitely, no, I'm with you. Yeah. But that is like when that moment, every year you're going to have a practice
Starting point is 00:28:12 or a team session where somebody gets under your skin, when that moment happens, I want to see him just wreck the entire team session. It's always fun when that happens too. It's like, I don't know. Not many people in the world can do that. Yeah. All right, I will close out this round here
Starting point is 00:28:30 with another sort of obvious pick. And that's Eli Stowers. Yeah. Second round pick. I think less of a, I know he's going to be less of an obvious inclusion in work with the first team. muffins and Mackay Lemon playing behind Dallas Goddard but you want to see the flashes you want to see
Starting point is 00:28:46 the upside you know are do we do he he is the the like it's kind of the inverse of mackay yeah where you're just kind of hoping to see and he will be splashy when he makes a a fun play let's see like four splashy players over the course of of camp and there might not be much volume to it especially with the ones but you know I want to say he goes over Cooper de jean one time and muscles him out for a ball. Yeah. Something like that. You want to see just enough to get you through to next year probably.
Starting point is 00:29:18 You know, we don't totally agree on like what he could be for them as a rookie. But in the event that he isn't a prominent member of the offense as a rookie, like you want enough plays. Like, you know, I think about Tyree Jackson, like, you know, and the few plays he had in camp.
Starting point is 00:29:33 Like, you want to see enough where you go like, all right, his second year he's going to be really good. Yeah. And I think that the blocking, matters more than the receiving
Starting point is 00:29:45 in him getting on the field. Yes. For all the reasons that Fran has talked about. But I think this summer, I want to see the receiving more because I want to see, we all know that the blocking
Starting point is 00:29:56 needs to improve. Yeah. Is the receiving stuff good enough that it looks like it can really be a difference maker there so that if he just gets to the floor as a blocker, he can stay on the field
Starting point is 00:30:07 and be a real interesting piece in the offense. Yeah, I think the blocking has to improve. for him to be like a consistent feature like in the offense but I actually think like the difference between him playing like 11% of the snaps and 21% of the stats is going to be like if he can flash enough as a receiver for them to at least go yeah we'll put a couple plays in this week right where you are going to be featured in the play you know we're going to move you around the formation and match up hunt for you but he has to earn that and like he's going to have to have a good camp to earn something like that
Starting point is 00:30:38 So yeah, I think the range of outcomes for him is like he's either going to prove that he can be like your second tight end and a member of the offense that you really actually want to include or he's just going to show you just enough where it's like year two, this is when you're really going to take the lead. Super chat before we get to the break from Alex Medina AM. Is E.J. I'm wondering as a GOT fanatic, have you seen the movie Supergirl yet? If so, what did you think? You and Bo? So I think Alex is asking because Millie Alcock, who is in the In House of the Dragon, she was young Reneer where they did the time skip.
Starting point is 00:31:19 She's featured in this movie. I haven't seen it. I'd like to see it, presumably, as long as you're a fan, Alex, but I haven't seen it yet. I have not seen it. You did see a movie, though. I did see the honesty yesterday morning.
Starting point is 00:31:32 9 a.m. King of Precious, 70mm. You're one of the people who bought those tickets because we've been looking at them. well i mean i only bought them on sunday but i was like second row to the side i don't know if i want you to tell people how that was because i might be buying those exact tickets and if you tell everyone that it was good then they're gonna buy them up and then i won't get a chance at them uh i would just say terrible if you were interested in seeing the movie i think it is worth seeing on a big screen on the iMAX specifically the i don't think you need to do the 70
Starting point is 00:32:00 millimeter okay i think it's worth seeing on a big screen i saw this meme and i thought of you this is bad podcasting. It's like the guy looking up and overwhelmed. I'll send it to Ethan. We can maybe put it up later. But yeah, I'm thinking about going and taking one of those right up on the screen seats. But like, shout out to Sean Syed. He's telling me to just go to a regular IMAX theater.
Starting point is 00:32:21 Don't do the 70 million. I think that's right. It's probably right. If you want to see it and sit in a good seat, I think that's fine. I don't think that the set. I'm happy I saw the 70. I don't think that it was a differential experience than a regular iMacs necessarily because the 70 isn't the aspect ratio it's no that's this is the first movie that's been shot exclusively on that it's just for like the visual clarity right it's not actually the
Starting point is 00:32:46 screen size what do you mean so 70 millimeter is that the aspect ratio or is that just like the quality of the fidelity of the film oh i think it's the aspect ratio oh so it's both okay I could be wrong. If you're a movie buff. This is, this is, it's like, you know, this is what it was filmed on. This is what it's shown. Yeah. Sean, if you're listening, I'm sorry because, like, he's...
Starting point is 00:33:13 Sean and I have been texting non-stop about this. Well, I've been asking him the same question for like a week now. And you know he's a good sport, but now I feel bad because he's going to be like, why are you asking the chat? You could have just asked me. So, love you, Sean. Okay. Time for break. Come back with more.
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Starting point is 00:35:36 Terms apply. Again, that's PHLY for $20 off. Back on the PHO-A-Gos podcast, Bowen EJ. Good conversation in the comments about sneaking stuff into a movie theater. Oh, yeah, you got to. Absolutely. Like, even if you work in a movie theater and you're watching the show right now, are you really begrudging us, like, our cheaper?
Starting point is 00:35:57 Now, listen, I'll buy the popcorn. I'll buy popcorn. Oh, yeah, of course. But yeah, you can sneak in whatever you want. Yeah. I mean, go to go to our friends. Whoever you want. At Wawa, that's what I do.
Starting point is 00:36:05 We go to the one in Downingtown a lot, and it's right next to a Wawa. Go to Wawa. You know what my favorite movie candy actually is? You're going to be surprised about this. What do you think my favorite movie candy is? The fact that you think it's unique. It is. I'm going to go.
Starting point is 00:36:24 Let's hear in the chat. Snowcaps. No. No caps? You know what snow caps are. That's the little. little chocolate things with the white. These are kind of like muddy buddies.
Starting point is 00:36:35 Okay. Oh, no, these are, are they like non-parreels? Kind of. I don't like a non-parreel. I don't like the texture of them. Okay. I like muddy buddies. Mike and Ike.
Starting point is 00:36:44 No, I don't do like fruit candy. It's like, I don't like a, anything that's like, like, sour. Okay. Or like a gummy. I'm not in on that. Okay. So then regular M&Ms? No.
Starting point is 00:37:00 You wouldn't be surprised, about that. Well, maybe the regular the cookie dough bites. I think I'm giving you some good hints. I said, I don't like the fruit, like,
Starting point is 00:37:07 you know, I don't like, um, like a sour candy. Like, I don't like a sour patch kid. Yeah. And I also don't like the texture
Starting point is 00:37:12 of like a non-Perell, but clearly texture matters for me. Let's see. Did anybody in the chat? Pretzel Eminems. No, it's not Eminem's.
Starting point is 00:37:23 Uh, I don't know, man. Bunch of Crunch. Okay. Bunch of Crunch are great. And like, I don't have them anywhere else
Starting point is 00:37:32 except the movies. I don't think I've, Yeah, I've never, I don't know that I've probably only ever had. I remember when Buncher Crunch first came out. That was very exciting. All right, Grandpa. Yeah, I know. I feel very old.
Starting point is 00:37:43 I remember that. I remember that specifically and it was like, oh, it's just really exciting to get. They're so good. I don't think I've had them in 20 years. Oh, you get the box. You're just kind of tipping that bad boy back and you're watching the movie. That sounds great. I love Bunch of Now, if you're one of those people.
Starting point is 00:37:55 Are you go candy over popcorn in a movie? Oh, I'll do. It's pork, I know, you got to have, you go. You start with the popcorn. Will you mix them? No. A mixer? You could. I wouldn't mind that, but no, I wouldn't do that.
Starting point is 00:38:06 I mean, listen, if you want to put some chocolate in your popcorn, like, I'm not going to judge. You freak. When we make popcorn at home sometimes, we'll, like, drizzle chocolate over it. Oh. Yeah. We're big popcorn at home people. Yeah. Microwave or stovetop.
Starting point is 00:38:22 It's microwave. Yeah. Is that, am I missing out? Should I be stove top in it? No, I think this is one where I'm not going to tell you that, you know, a jiffy pop is more. you know, authentic than microwave popcorn. That's great.
Starting point is 00:38:36 Yeah, we'll do like the, like absolutely classic microwave popcorn. Okay. And then we'll add, sometimes we'll add to it. We have like a seasoning we can add there. Oh.
Starting point is 00:38:47 But yeah. Now I'll tell you what I don't like. I love popcorn. Pettlecorn? Oh, yeah. Get out of here. No, absolutely no interest.
Starting point is 00:39:00 I don't want sweet popcorn. I got other things I like that are sweet. I'm popcorn is for the salt I don't even like a cheddar popcorn is fine like I'll take a smart food
Starting point is 00:39:11 in a pinch yeah but not in a not in a movie situation you know I think there's a time and a place I agree with you it's not my primary choice but every once in a while
Starting point is 00:39:21 I think like like a surprise kettle corn a kettle corn that you didn't earn like a kettle corn that's in the office I got no interest in kettle corn I'll tear some kettle corn up if it's like just
Starting point is 00:39:32 if it falls in my lap No. Yeah, I'll take it. I think it's Chicago. One of the worst things you could do to me is offer me kettle corn. I think Chicago's airport's got like a kettle corn station. They should burn that thing to the ground. You like kettle corn flavor?
Starting point is 00:39:47 You got a kettle corn like... Butter and salt. The perfect combination. Sometimes you got to branch out, you know? No. I like... I afford diversity of popcorn. You know, you need the range of options here.
Starting point is 00:40:01 Yeah, you didn't earn it by POV. like it's not a I'm not yuck at anybody's yum you kind of are allowed to like what you like by definition you are yeah i understand that there are some people who like kettle corn those people are wrong and probably shouldn't be allowed to vote caramel popcorn no thanks oh caramel corn's okay do you like anything that's like a sweet and savory uh i don't mind a chaka covered pretzel Chalkover prices are good. Chocolate turtles, you ever had a good chocolate turtle? Like a caramel chocolate turtle?
Starting point is 00:40:39 Yeah. They're great. Maybe. Not one that's normally in my repertoire. I mean, yeah. You're not having that every week. But every once in a while, that thing hits. Like a cashew, caramel chocolate turtle?
Starting point is 00:40:52 Yeah, I'm not... Very good. Although, I do think in general, I prefer my sweet insults to be segregated. I was going to say segregated before you. I think that's normally how I feel. I like a chocolate cover pretzel, but I would also just as much rather have a pretzel
Starting point is 00:41:14 and then take a bite of chocolate. Oh, I think, I disagree. Yeah, that is that one that I will not. They should co-exist. That is not one that I will stand on. I understand that I, that is personal preference. Kettlecorn I'm just right about. I like a sweet and salty.
Starting point is 00:41:33 I really do. Yeah. Like I said, like the ice cream shop I used to work at, they make apples. I think sweet and salty is good, is very good for texture. If you're, and as you have said, you're a texture guy. Yeah, we, I think it's a good texture taste. No, like we, at the place I work, the ice cream shop I used to work out, they did apples. And like, you could get like a Oreo apple or something.
Starting point is 00:41:54 You know, it's like cookies and cream. You get like cinnamon sugar. And those are good. But I always gravitated toward like the, like cashew dark chocolate apple you know like a little bitter a little sweet little salty yeah yeah you know what i will say i mean a peanut emm oh yeah it's the perfect bite so i guess i guess it's not one that i go two toes or ten toes on i respect that i i enjoy a sweet and salty i used to uh used to like always eat be like uh sweet and salty like like the nature valley bar i guess it is
Starting point is 00:42:28 yeah that has chocolate on the bottom yeah yeah okay Yeah. All right, let's get one quick one in. This is one where you got 30 seconds to do it. I'm going to take a quick one then that I don't have that much to say about. Jordan Davis. I know like we kind of know who Jordan Davis is. You know, he obviously made a big leap last year, but is there another leap?
Starting point is 00:42:46 Can he start to add to his game as a pass rusher in particular? Can he be like a difference maker on every down? I think it's still on the table for him. I'm not saying I think it's likely, but it'd be interesting to see if like he comes in the camp this year looking even better. and playing even better. Okay. I'll go quick.
Starting point is 00:43:05 I love a new quarterback. Very excited to see Cole Payton. Fun to have a lefty around. Let's track this guy's progress. It doesn't have a ton of playing experience. So what to expect from him in a training camp setting? He's going to be the fourth quarterback as long as Andy Dalton and Tanner McKee are here.
Starting point is 00:43:21 So we'll see how those reps shake out. But I'm looking forward to just experiencing Col Payton Izzy Moore or clapping, thupin? Or is he more Tanner McKee? Love a lefty quarterback. Cole Payton experience as a lefty quarterback. A nod to Michael Vick.
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Starting point is 00:45:58 see when camp starts in a week. You are up next, DJ, who you got? I'm going to go with Jehad Campbell. Good pick. I think this is another player that can actually like increase or decrease how confident you feel about the team because it is one of the few positions on defense that you have a question mark at, at least in theory. And I think the thing that I always like to remind people of whenever we talk about
Starting point is 00:46:21 Jehad Campbell is that it's not that he lost his job because of poor play or that he was struggling. He's playing really well as a rookie. And the question that I think he has to answer this summer is can he restore that upward trajectory? Can he continue to be, you know, can he continue to leverage the physical advantages that he has? Can he continue to do things that other linebackers simply just can't do because of those physical traits? And then can he supplement that with like consistent play and, you know, really taking the next step in Vic Fangio system. And if he can, like, I think that that makes this defense even more, even higher on the list of like the elite defenses in the NFL because of what it allowed.
Starting point is 00:46:58 you to do with him and Zach Bonn as too versatile inside linebacker. I thought he looked awesome last summer. Yeah. Yeah, you know, which you don't often get to see a linebacker really flash in training camp. I thought it looked great. If there was another level to that, we also should say that he's coming off of this shoulder injury. So how ready is he?
Starting point is 00:47:14 Is he, you know, is he on the shelf for the first week of camp? And then it's a limited participant. And so it's really like two or three weeks before he's a full participant. That would be a little bit disappointing, I think. So he's an important player from like a training camp, storyline narrative standpoint, but also more importantly for the reasons you said, I think he is a huge factor in how good this defense can be. Yeah, like now I'm very quickly cruising through like the top linebackers in the NFL that ESPN put out. Like I, I, who was number one on that list?
Starting point is 00:47:45 So you based it off of Jeremy Fowler's rankings? I'm just asking who was number one. It was Fred Warner. Oh, the consensus best linebacker in football. Right, got it. Consensus from who? I mean, I think everybody agrees he's the best linebacker in football. This is, this is, this is, this One of my favorite phrases that I feel like I overuse on the show and then underuse and I get to overuse it again, intellectually dishonest. I don't think that's true. This is completely intellectually dishonest. I don't think that's true. We spent a whole show talking about how these lists, yes, they have some merit, but they are not the end of the list.
Starting point is 00:48:14 I'm not saying it because there is no one in football at that position who doesn't think that Fred Warner is the best. Actually, there are because the lowest ranking was number five. Not a dumb guy. Oh, so that one guy that was a part of the survey, he's an idiot. But everybody else, all the other nameless, baseless people who participate in the... Maybe two years ago, Zach Vaughn. I'm okay with that, but, yeah. What about your boy, Carson Swines?
Starting point is 00:48:39 I like Swishinger. Yeah, Swishinger? Swesinger. Swesinger, okay. Speaking of fun names, my next pick, I cannot believe it has taken this long. For Copenaga chicken to come off the board. A goosy, gooshy, goo. You're unfamiliar.
Starting point is 00:48:59 Copenica Shicken is the undrafted player in the secondary out of Ole Miss by way of Washington State. Great athlete. Is he a nickel? Is he a safety? A little bit undersized. Tested great. Vic, Banjo, as name dropped him a couple times.
Starting point is 00:49:18 The gush. You know, we're always excited for an undrafted guy. Yeah. Let's get some eyes on him. Yeah, I was on Anthony's show the other day. Yesterday. We need to bring our umbrellas to practice. I hope not.
Starting point is 00:49:29 I hope that that's not the type of stuff that he gets into. I was on an Anthony show yesterday. And they were asking who could be like the next Paul Turner. And I did, I put the Gush in that, in that conversation, you know, unknown who could step into, you know, the hearts of Eagles fans with the nickname the Gush. I would put, now, I would also put Cole Wisniewski in this list. You know, he's a little different because we can get to see him in the spring. But, you know, you want to see how involved he can be. Maximus Pulley, another undrafted guy.
Starting point is 00:50:00 This is a fun group to see guys. Yeah, yeah. I mean, especially because you could see one of them making the roster out of nowhere. All right. Before we continue with the draft, time for the next edition of Philly Week as City State Week rolls on on P.HLY. Yesterday, we got a little taste of the art museum. You know, you go museum, right? Art museum.
Starting point is 00:50:24 Yeah. Is that a Philly accent? I believe so. Today we got a taste of... How do you say it? Museum? Museum? Museum?
Starting point is 00:50:35 Nah, it's museum. A little taste of worthy real action in the city of Philadelphia. The Phillies, the Eagles, the Flyers, the Sixers, the Union. We hear so much about the professional sports teams in Philadelphia. But what about... the everyday Philadelphia. What about the average Joe? What about the ways that they exercise their athletic exploits?
Starting point is 00:51:09 Well, come with me for a Monday night in West Philadelphia for a little bit of high-level softball. In the shadow of the Philadelphia skyline, We are here, Johnson's playground. A nice homage. It's at the great Sixers of the pass. Tonight's game, an 8.45 first pitch between the Batter Day Saints and the sidecar all-stars.
Starting point is 00:51:47 Batter Day Saints undefeated on the season. Not sure about the other team's record. We've got half moon. We've got a field with fences. here we go beautiful night at the ballpark no debate about that it's a rip
Starting point is 00:52:05 it's a rip base is loaded nobody out for the best hitter on the team 2-6 Julian batting a thousand this season that's the light one feel pretty happy
Starting point is 00:52:23 base is juiced oh nice play by the pitcher PFP he was working that out in Florida in the spring. Great job by the pitcher. Good hustle. Sparse attendance this evening, but listen, that's what Philadelphia is all about. Getting your reps in, getting your swings in when nobody's watching. That's the grit the city was made of. Nice play by the left-you-third basement. He goes for two. Hell of a play. Nice play. Good hustle all around. That's a run-in for the Saints champions in
Starting point is 00:53:02 2024, eliminated in 2025. Hold up. Good eye, boat. Yes, get out. I'm good, get out, get out, get out, get out. Off the fence. Top of the six, highlight was a beautiful play at third base by Eli. Oh, yes, watch these wheels. Look at those stems.
Starting point is 00:53:41 Let's go. Here we go, go. With the Philadelphia skyline in the background, we bid you, I do, a wonderful Monday evening. in the great city of Philadelphia. Good guys won tonight, 16 to 4, I believe. Mercy rule after six innings. They're the same team next week. A very nice team on the other side.
Starting point is 00:54:21 Who knows what will happen next week. But bottom line, this is Philadelphia. What is more of Philadelphia? And getting a babysitter, coming out on a Monday night, getting some swings in, with the guys, with the girls, doing what Philadelphia does. Care about BS.
Starting point is 00:54:43 That's what it's all about. Trey Turner, you can have him. Cameron Latu, who needs him? On a Monday night in the great city of Philadelphia, this is what we do. So for all of us here, with a PHLI hat on, We say thank you.
Starting point is 00:55:07 We say good night and good luck. Pay off for the backwards hat. Yeah. I mean, yeah, great video. Your swing looked good, but... Yeah, well... You lost me at the end of the end. You got to say, you know what,
Starting point is 00:55:19 watching the swing on video. I thought it looked good. Nice compact swing. I need a little bit more ass. I need a little bit more hip rotation. Yeah. Very army swing there. And then, you know, the elbow is up a little bit.
Starting point is 00:55:35 too high, I feel, but, you know, I can't, you know, I'm 40, man. Do you film your golf swing? Because I feel like you would get really down the right at all. I remember this, this happened once in high school where, you know, it had been beaten into us, like swing down on the ball to get back swing. Like, you want to hit the, you want to hit the, and I had just, I didn't have a great, like, couple months. This was in summer ball, hitting the ball. And, and then I saw on video once. I was like, guys nobody said it
Starting point is 00:56:05 I'm just like chopping wood why am I swinging down so much you didn't say anything like I could have I was like I can't believe
Starting point is 00:56:12 I'm looking like this this whole time I look like an A like an A-hole And then after that I saw You know Then I rip off a great hot street
Starting point is 00:56:19 Because all of a sudden I'm swinging like I should be swinging Well you did look like an A-hole When you brought Cam Latu into this I mean what did What did you do to you man I'm just that's called Just a shout out to you
Starting point is 00:56:28 That's not what that is I'm in your head That's what that is Can I play this the sound clip of my friend saying museum. Sure. And he says museum. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:56:40 Museum. He says a little different than you. He says it similar though. Museum. And this guy, shout out to my friend Tom. Tom 2 is what we call him in the group chat. Because we got two Tom's and he was the second one added to the group chat.
Starting point is 00:56:54 He does have a tough in our group chat. I mean, what grown man group chat isn't basically just a bunch of grown men being really mean to each other. So I think it's fine. but we always ask him to send us voice memos of him saying things because he's got like the thickest delco accent that i've ever heard and that must be i don't know if it's delco but it must be a philly accent that i say museum okay i'm not taking it back this isn't a jlin jalen this isn't a jalen situation don't ask you to take it back all right we got two minutes before
Starting point is 00:57:25 overtime okay that's each hot shot another picked okay um lannon dickerson i would like like to see how he's moving, how he looks, did an offseason of rehab, how he's living. I want to see if an offseason of rehab has restored him to the player he was before. But it was really encouraging that he wasn't wearing like any braces or sleeves in spring practices. But, you know, as they, when the pads come on, when practices intensified, I can't believe you haven't drafted in Rick Woolen yet. Oh, well, maybe that's strategic.
Starting point is 00:57:56 Oh, that's, I told you. This is not a strategy one. I sold this. Just let your heart speak. Yeah, but if my heart speaks about Regul and then everybody's, we, we don't know, No, E.J. you tried to invent Reek-Wool and you said he was going to be an all-pro. Speaking of... You take him.
Starting point is 00:58:10 No, I'm taking Willie Lampkin. So why did you draft Reekwell? Because I, personally, am more excited to see Willie Lampkin. I know you're excited. I know that you're more excited to see Rick Will and then Lina Dickerson. No, I want to see Lennon. Lennon Dickerson will move the needle on whether or not the offense looks the way we expected to look. You guys just are...
Starting point is 00:58:29 And I want to see the little tiny offensive linemen move some people. people around. What could possibly be more fun than that? I agree. Willie Lankan's going to be really awesome, really fun. Well, awesome might be the wrong word. We will each get, we will each get one more pick to close things out. We will do it in overtime. All right. One more to speak on and then you can, and then you can give your, um, uh, also receiving votes. Okay. Okay. I am excited to see. Sequin Barclay.
Starting point is 00:59:09 I want to see if he's involved in the past game. I want to see if he is used creatively. Now, I'm not saying that I think that Seekwon Barclay needs to be used the way that Christian McCaffrey is used or even someone like Jamir Gibbs, but I'd like to see them get closer to that type of vision where he is a player that has to be accounted for because of his ability to move around the formation. The way that those running backs are used, I think he's got the ability to do that. and I think he commands the respect from opposing defenses for that.
Starting point is 00:59:38 So for that reason, I know everybody thought I was going to take Rikwollen, but I'm taking Saconne Barclay. Okay. Are you going to take Rikwana? I'm honestly. Sakeon is fine, but... Well, we've said it before. Like, if he's used in the past game creatively,
Starting point is 00:59:52 that'd be fun. It'd be encouraging. Yeah, I agree with that. Guys, we haven't already talked about, like, you know, I sort of mentioned Wiru already. I mentioned was Neski. I mean... Devante. You know, if this is going to be the year...
Starting point is 01:00:11 Did we not say DeVante earlier? No. If this is going to be the year of Devante... Lindsay's watching at home laughing at me, not knowing we didn't draft Devante. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah. It would be great if he has a...
Starting point is 01:00:25 To me, you know, there's the first AJ Brown training camp where he did really, you know, he had a dominant summer. I always think back to the Deshawn Jackson training camps when I first started covering the team. the guy is just unguardable. Even the Deshawn training camp, the first year he came back. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:41 He was sort of dominant that year. Yep. Still wasn't stretching either. Devante is not always necessarily like that because of the way that he wins. But, you know, if this is a, it's an interesting one because I would kind of hope that the dispersion of passes in the summer
Starting point is 01:01:02 is different than it is in the season. During the season, I kind of want DeVante to get 70% of the targets or something crazy. Sure. Make him the engine of the offense. But you want the summer to be spent having Jalen throw it to everybody else. Yeah, I think that's fair. So anyway, I'm curious to see.
Starting point is 01:01:22 Yeah, I'm curious to just, you know, how much is he moving around in this offense? Are there more balls targeted him over the middle of the field? What is the usage plan for Devante Smith? Because you would think, Sean Mennon is designing this passing game with Devante in mind. So do we see some semblance of that? I think that's more important to me than how many catches has they have or something like that.
Starting point is 01:01:42 Yeah, and it would be equally as worrying if it's like he's pretty static. He's going up against Quinehan Mitchell every day and like as much as we're excited about Quinyan Mitchell, like Devonte's had a quiet training camp because he's been going against Quinyan. Yeah. Like, you know, that's not, you know, soundly alarms,
Starting point is 01:01:58 but it wouldn't be as encouraging. So, yeah, I think that that's a good pick. Who else did you write down? I wrote down Jonathan. in Grenard. Does he pass the Vic Fangio smell test is what I wrote? Does he get Bryce Huffed? Very funny to watch Vic Fanger just walk up behind him and take a sniff. You got that dog in him.
Starting point is 01:02:17 But you're hoping he doesn't get Bryce Huffed. And I don't think you will, but still, you know, there's a, I just, I feel like not every Eddresher is for Vic Fangio, so he's going to have to show that. I'm optimistic about it, but it's still a question. And then I actually had Recuelan end Michael Carter the second. as like kind of similar question marks in different ways, which is can they be, and you tell me how you feel about my usage of this podcast buzzword,
Starting point is 01:02:43 can they be the force multiplier for the secondary, in a way where if Rick Wulin is what the Eagles think he can be, if he is as good as they have been bullish about him being throughout the spring, you know, not supposed to look like that, you know, has the wow plays and has been consistent. If he can do that, all of a sudden, what does that unlock for the secondary? Does it unlock Quinnianne on Mitchell, Cooper to Gene,
Starting point is 01:03:05 to be matchup dependent players where every week you're like these are the three guys that we have to account for this is how we're you know this is how we're going to distribute you three and we're just going to lock these three down does he give them that that added multiplicity so for that reason i think he could be that you could make the same argument for michael carter in a different way where michael carter can play in the nickel and does that unlock cooper de gene to move around the formation and be more creative so i think the egos are able to get more out of cooper d' gene that way yeah i mean they could maximize him finally. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:35 That's good. Yeah, I think those two, they each have an opportunity to really change the math and the secondary for the Eagles. Okay. Other guys I wrote down, Markell Bell,
Starting point is 01:03:46 you know, did we continue to see him sort of maybe above Fred Johnson to some degree? Yeah. In the pecking order of the swing guys. Chance Campbell. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:55 After everybody gazzing him up so much, like what does he look like during camp? It wasn't everybody. It was our friend, Zach Berman. No, I mean, everybody in the locker. Oh, yes, okay, that's fair. Yes.
Starting point is 01:04:04 Darius Cooper, my guy. Miles Hinton written down as he moves to guard. Is there an extra level for him? Mack McWilliams to me is one that actually I would have drafted next just because I have a slightly disappointing rookie season, which is tough to say for a fifth round pick. I mean, he made the team. That's fine. But is there a year to jump from Mac McWilliams?
Starting point is 01:04:26 Elijah Moore, a player who I'm a little skeptical about, just given the fact that he's been in the league. Wasn't on a roster at the end of the last season, but there was a little bit of excitement about him in the building. Does the speed play? Is he actually involved in the offense? Michael Morris, the rookie guard, and then Cam Williams,
Starting point is 01:04:44 sort of the same as Mac MacMews. Does he take a year, too, John? Yeah, I like that list. Dantavian Wix is the only one I had that you didn't list there. Yeah. Because if McIlleman has a slow training camp, all of a sudden, Dantean Wix is going to be the one that's answering the question, can you be the second receiver in the third highest target getter?
Starting point is 01:05:02 Okay. Now, last thing before we go. Oh, God. I don't know what this is. I'm nervous. This has been a nice, friendly show. We've been touching. It's been fun. I don't want to relitigate a touchy subject. But you were sort of bragging about the feedback you got about this conversation. Oh, I got more feedback, by the way. Well, so did I. Someone didn't send it to the producer.
Starting point is 01:05:28 So did I. And so I do need to share a couple of these. seats here. Do you mind showing text number one, Ethan, please? Text I received. Um, you can see on the screen. Pep Guardiola. Because my friend, you are so right about Messi and Yamal. I appreciate my buddy Pep reaching out. That was nice of him. You mind going to number two here, Ethan. Um, the text from Sir Alex Ferguson. So, sorry, you had to deal with that. He probably doesn't know who I am. I do know who Alex Ferguson. Okay, that was good. And these just kept coming in. This was kind of nonstop.
Starting point is 01:06:16 This is my buddy Big Z. Zinnadan. He says, Lamin better than Messi. Thank you for Zay laugh. I did not say that for that. I thought that was pretty good. Then Lameen actually texted.
Starting point is 01:06:32 And now I don't speak Spanish. So I don't know what this means. Dilea, E.J. Kno boy, a tenor. I don't know. It's over time. sex on Connell? Yeah. If anybody can translate that, that was great.
Starting point is 01:06:49 And then finally, I got, there was an unknown number. There was an unknown number that texted me. Which in the, in the, in the spirit of being honest, I had to share that there was someone on your side as well. Oh, man.
Starting point is 01:07:10 Well, I mean, it's hard to argue with them. Although I heard from a real person. I sent it to you, Ethan. I don't know. I said it from late, really five real people. I had an actual human being text me. Who did I?
Starting point is 01:07:22 Yeah, not yourself. Masquerading as someone else. All right, thank you. I'm going to keep my sources anonymous out of respect for them. No, that doesn't mean anything. Just a person, any random person. Yeah, but they are people who know ball.
Starting point is 01:07:38 I'm like, you can't. Okay, okay. That's just, that could be anyone. It could be, but I'm showing you people. who the audience knows how much they know ball they laugh um
Starting point is 01:07:56 I have had a resounding response to this argument me too as evidenced by the screen the court jester says you're in Osprey mode already I agree that was good
Starting point is 01:08:10 I knew who all those people were for the record that's good Zadan that guy's pretty cool like yeah that's why I put him in my phone It was Big Z.
Starting point is 01:08:19 Big Z. That guy is like, and the kids say he's got aura. Unlimited aura. I agree with that. Yeah. All right. Well, E.J., enjoy your time off. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:30 We will be back tomorrow, 2 o'clock. Franon's studio for the next edition of the Eagles 26, number 10 and number nine. Fract, the top 10. I'll be watching. Very exciting. For all of us here. Ethan EJ
Starting point is 01:08:50 The entire softball team Big Z Big Z Le Meme Sir Alex and Pep I don't know who that other guy is
Starting point is 01:09:00 We will talk to Tomorrow at 2 o'clock And as always We love you All silly like the mayor

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