PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Musical Chairs Day: Mining Eagles fandom with Kyle Neubeck, Devon Givens

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

As part of our PHLY streamathon, the upside down pineapple for the Eagles show landed us with Kyle Neubeck and Devon Givens, who discussed their Eagles fandom, the most intriguing people in the organization this year and much more, including broccoli. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

All right, we're back. Hello, everybody. And welcome to the P.HLY Eagles Show, presented by True Mark Financial. And today's streamathon also brought to you by the good folks at Rothman as well. And as we have musical shared and mixed things up, I've got Devon Givens and Kyle Neubeck with me today talking birds. How are you guys doing? I have to apologize. You know, I did a little bit of prep for the draft show, sent those guys some questions ahead of time.

I did no such thing with you guys. We did some free balling it. trust in that you guys know ball here and we can just sort of freelance. I think we do. And I'm good with the freestyle of this show. This is fun. Yeah. We don't even have to talk sports.

That's the point, right? That's the point, right? Yeah, we don't have. You guys have both been on the show before, too. You've been on the Eagle Show. Should we just spend 55 minutes yelling about them not getting Javier Alexander or what? Do you want Javier Alexander? That's a question more for you, right?

I'm just like, hey, that's a guy I know. That's a guy you know, yeah. I would be more intrigued by Asante Samuel Jr. Okay. Now, I'm not against Jayae Alexander for the right price. I do think that they want Keelemao to get those reps and maybe Dori Jackson as well. And so you don't want to necessarily take the practice, the training camp, reps away from the guy. Right.

But, you know, there's a price when it becomes worth it. And it seems like he took the deal he did in Baltimore because of the Lamar Jackson connection and at least the spin that's out there is to have more money on the table. That makes sense. You know, that's, anyway. Remember that we are doing this today for charity to raise money for Big Brothers, Big Sisters,

so it is open there for you to make your donations. Anything will be very helpful and will be very much appreciated. And also, let's boost these subscriber numbers. We're going 12 straight hours here. Yeah, baby. Show a little bit of love. How did you guys do on the, were you guys playing horse at all? No, we were just shooting around.

Yeah, we have our routine. I made a long, one-handed, underhanded shot. He did. Okay. Right before we came on. So people can rewind the stream and maybe see that. Like, right. Well, maybe like a 20-footer.

Who do you think is the best shooter in the office? Shooter? Yeah. Not Pop-a-Shot. Just shoot. I would put my money on either Rich or Devon. Yeah, I would say me. I would say so.

Yeah. I know Rich can shoot. I know Devon is a... Devon is the one on the pop-a-shot machine who, for the longest, played what I would say is the pure way. and actually shot the ball, where Derek and I went through like 18 iterations of underhand, flick shots, whatever it was. Definitely Devon is in the inner circle.

I have more fun just playing pig or horse than the actual pop a shot. Yeah, and then we move, you move the quarter-round so many different times. So we get different angles. Yeah, they're just annoying at this point, the lights. You got to shoot it kind of on a line. Yeah, we don't want a line drive. We want to put some mark on it. I want to put a little dirk shot.

Yeah, exactly. Give me some elevation. That's why when we had it over here, we could at least, all right, when we would play a horse or, and we would shoot it off the wall. Yeah, the off the wall shop. To like one-legged shot. The chair, deep, you know. Yeah. We could definitely do the dirt from this angle.

Yeah. But then the lighting here is just, and the exit sign. You know, how dare they put the exit sign there? We don't need that. Or we can lift it up. One day, one day one of these lights is coming down from a pop-a-shot incident. Absolutely. It is going to happen.

It's just a matter. matter of when. Yeah, so I... Hopefully it takes out a mouse when it happened. You ain't lying. That was classic, man. I mean, on the draft night show and you're just like, oh, he's just, it's just their own little playground here.

It's five all. The two of them running around. Unbelievable. So I handled it differently because one night, Rich and I were here, Colin Derek, we're at the arena, us three, Bree was here with us, and I saw it. Yeah. But I was like, just keep talking. Just let Rich keep going.

Don't bring it up. Yeah. You know? Because it's that thing. You know, I mean, you know, like you see something in your periphery moving that shouldn't be moving. It's a little bit disconcerting. It is. And then I see the one.

Okay, okay. I see the one just sort of hanging out. But then when the two of them started chasing each other, like they were just like at a party. So, the hell. I mean, we were in their space. It's late at night. Yeah, I know. This is their time.

It's not our time. We're supposed to be out of here by what, five o'clock? Ridiculous. So let me offer a piece of advice to our listeners. Some of you are younger. Maybe you haven't rented your own apartment before. Some of you are older. Maybe, hey, I'm looking at a house.

I'm looking for different features. Okay. The moment you see exposed brick in any listing, mice, it is almost a guarantee. Interesting. Because in many cases, it's new property, and they wanted to make it look a certain way. Okay. Some corners were cut. I have never heard of someone living in a place with exposed brick that did not deal with mice in some capacity.

Well, I think that's generally very good advice. If it's a bit of an older property, but then you're talking about an older property that's probably going to have some... Right. It's kind of so old. Anyway, no, that's good advice. I remember we had an apartment on 8th and South above the bong shop there on the corner. and one of the many yeah and you know we had we had a mouse and we know we talked it to the landlord and the you know these this very very old Italian couple were just like you live on South Street what did you expect like oh sorry I didn't know how dare you so yeah you need a you need a cat

budget yeah but yeah somebody said we need a bodega cat in here which would be I'm pretty allergic to cats but I'm not a cat guy just like a lot of of the sniffles and the itchy eyes. You a cat guy? I'm not a pet. I'm allergic to cats and dogs, pets in general. Good news. Boozy mutt.

Next Wednesday. Our draft show. I'll take my allergy. Are you a dog guy, Kyle? I am a dog guy. I have the many people who regularly watch our show. No, I have a big old English bulldog named Louie who I can't promise, but I believe will be in attendance at the boozy mutt next week.

I like that. All right. Here's my egos question for you, Kyle. first. Uh-oh. Having won the Super Bowl, did that make you less engaged from the off-season? Did you feel like you are still just sort of in the honeymoon afterglow? I would say yes, because so the Eagles for me are one of my, as I become, you know, more serious

and professional covering the Sixers or whatever, they're one of my outlets for, you know, the passion and the fandom and to be not really objective, right? It's just like, these are my guys and screw everybody else and all that. And I think when they've won, it's not that I've checked out or I don't care anymore. It's just like, you know what? I don't need to think about them all offseason, right? I rode to the top of the mountain with this group. We all celebrated together.

You go to the parade. I was out on Broad Street the night they won. And, you know, I'm drinking strange liquids from people I'm eating in the street and smoking cigars. and I'm just, you're trying to focus on that feeling, and I don't have to worry about what's coming next, right? I feel good about the organization. I feel good about Howie Roseman and sort of how he's set things up and the way that he's changed his philosophy in different ways, right?

Like their approach to the draft and how he's adjusted. So I don't sit there on draft night and try to pretend to be an expert, like, oh, my God, I can't believe they took this guy. Right. that guy like they've earned benefit of the doubt to the point that I say there are other sports going on this is the offseason like I'll focus on other things for a little bit so in that passionate outlet uh who is the person who has like the most starry-eyed view in your mind when you when you think about them you're getting little love bubbles is it is it jalen is it howie is it a jrown is it jay

Carter, Vic Fangio. I mean, it's a little bit of everybody, right? Like, I would never say the Starrya guy is the executive, right? Like, I would really, really rooting for those suits in the office and the guy who's just manipulating the salary cap and all that, right? Like, what I would say is, I love Jalen Hertz because he just seems to represent a lot of the things that I love about good or great athletes, right? just the cool, calm demeanor.

The idea that, you know, even when they haven't had their most successful seasons, there have been games where he played really poorly, and then final two to five minutes, pull something, pull some magic out of a hat, scrambles for 30 yards, makes a big play. And, like, it never has truly felt like they've been out of games with him leading them. And I just think he's somebody that between the success he's had at multiple levels, the leadership that he's shown in college and in the pros.

He's just the sort of person that makes an entire organization better by being there. And I think they've done a really good job at identifying those guys across the board. Like there are a lot of guys that certainly they are productive. Certainly they are guys who pop on tape. But a lot of good dudes, dudes who are high level at their position, who continue to get better even as they hit, you know, pro bowls and all pros and whatnot. You need guys like that, especially with basketball. We're talking about a 15-man roster.

And really, it's like six to eight guys are the defining players. Football, it's so spread out. You can't afford to say, well, you know, the safety group or, you know, the linebacker is like, we don't care if it's an Eagles type of guy. We don't care if he represents who we are. You need the whole organization to kind of stand for something broadly. So I think Jalen is a good kind of person and avatar for that. Devon, where are you on the spectrum of like fan versus analysts

because you've had to sort of, you've had to play both roles as it relates to the Eagles? Yeah, so with the Eagles, it's harder, especially when they get to the postseason and you see what it, okay, we all kind of, except for you guys, you can't do that. But for us, I'll speak for myself. But we all just kind of, everybody's focus. until you get to that spot and you really say, oh, they would have a real shot. Yeah. And do you allow yourself to give into your inner sicko?

Yeah. Yeah, more so in the house or at a game where it's kind of in the private area and you give a fist pump just because it's been so few and far between here in the city of all the sports when they've won from how many breaks they've been in between of all these other. And then you watch these other teams in these other cities every year. And it's like we'll talk about it now. And I know you guys do too. And even with the quarterback conversation before Jalen became Jalen Hertz.

And who he is right now is a franchise quarterback, you look at some of these others, even the ones that haven't really done anything in the postseason. Yet at the time, Josh Allen or Justin Herbberg, some of these others. And I remember me saying, I want one of those guys. It didn't have to look like that, but it was just more of winning. And he has provided that. And then the way that Howie Roseman has built the team, it's hard not to kind of go back and, you know,

dig deep and pull it back out of, all right, yeah, I want to see these guys win. Yeah. And fist pump because of how good they are and how they do it. And then the other piece is just a little small parts that really also play into it where the league is losing their mind. And you remember you asked me on the show of the touch push, losing their mind.

So I actually love that this has become a thing because it's everybody hates what Philadelphia is doing and you can't stop it. And it's like, I love that the Eagles are the team that you have to play that they can't stop. But don't you think at this point it would have been more fun if it actually did get banned? Yes, because they were a little bit. Figure something else out or just simply normal quarterback sneak and you still cannot stop it. And so with all of that, just to bring it back to your question of, yeah, I do find myself looking at them in the postseason in particular of, yeah, I want to see them win. And I might fist pump.

And I want to watch with my kids and see how they. react to it and experience this because we didn't. When I was growing up, I watched the Eagles for many, many years. Oh, yeah. I couldn't wait until they finally got there in the 2000s, and they still disappointed. But now being here and watching it and seeing my kids go and watch and go through with it. And then I think it's pretty clear at this point, like my relationship with Brian Westbrook and watching games with him and him showing me stuff and the relationship I have with him

and some of the other guys where now I'm living it through them in the moment. of how it's getting done versus when they were there and they couldn't get done and seeing them enjoy and love it as well. So it's just been a whole different thing of how I watch it now to that point of where it's pretty cool to see them winning and seeing them to win the way that they do

where Harry Roseman does become now like a cult figure, not just locally, but where everyone else is like, I don't want to do deals with Harry Roseman because of this. Or even him getting the compliments and the respect from everyone else now. nationally on television and even just reading other stuff or hearing you guys talk about it of where they give him the credit of he's he's the one now he's a he's a lot Hall of Famer at this point of his career

and him emerging from that him emerging from that closet yeah that year you know having to go through all that with Chip Kelly just to see it all come back in full circle for where it is and to watch them win I do enjoy it thank you to Kay Taylor for the generous donation to thank you thank you very much Kay Taylor's lead donations appreciate to have any self-confidence. To you guys, maybe pivoting from who is like the star-eyed person in your mind, who is the most intriguing person in the organization heading into this season?

I mean, it could just be Jalen. You know, how does he deal with success? Yeah. But in terms of having to replace the guys that they do on the defensive line and a new offensive coordinator, or, you know, maybe it's Sequin, how does he bounce back from what he did last Who's the most intriguing person to you? I'm sticking with a superstar. I'm going to A.J. Brown.

Yeah. He is so interesting to me. I think he's very interesting. Because two days after they win the Super Bowl, he's like, all right, I moved on. Yeah. What? He's like, it's completely. It's out of, completely unfulfilled.

So when you talk about pulling that sicko out of you, that's a sicko professional athlete. It's a arranged behavior. That just got to the pinnacle of what we see him losing his mind for, going crazy on the sidelines. He was surprised that it felt so empty. Yeah, so fleeting. So he did it already. Now, I know he wants to do it again, but it seems like it's... He doesn't want to win the Super.

He doesn't want to do it again just to win the Super Bowl again. He wants to do it again just to get into the process. Right. So I think for me, he's the one that for me is as a guy that's on the trajectory of, when we talk about, you know, all the accolades and stuff, I love the fact that they talk about all these wide receivers and they don't bring him up as one of the best in the end. Like, top five, you know, that kind of kind of...

It's ridiculous. He's at least top. three out. Yeah. So for me, he's the one that I am so intrigued by because of that. And then the other part of you already knew that he was one of the best and you see him get upset when Jalen throws one over his head or you know, low, low throw throw one for him or something

or he doesn't get enough targets. Well, maybe that's a thing because, you know, he sacrificed last year. They went so run heavy. Yeah. Both he and Devante had way through targets. And they seem to enjoy it because you kept hearing these things of, oh my good, this guy, Sequine Barclay is so good. Right. Okay, cool.

And AJ is definitely like, you know, smitten with watching Sequan. Right. I think greatness appreciates greatness. As are we all. Right. But I do wonder if, you know, okay, he did that last year. Now what? Give me the ball.

Now what? I'm still the best player on the team. And I think that he is, you know, no disrespect to Seekwan or Jalen Carter or Jailen Hertz. I think A.J. Brown is the best player on the team or Lane Johnson. And that's, you know, the roster is so loaded that you can, you can say a few other guys. I agree. I think AJ is the best player on the team, and maybe it's the case that this year, he's like, okay, I want my year now.

I don't know. Yeah, it's possible. Yeah. Why receivers are different, man. So I certainly can see the logic behind that. I would go Jalen Carter, right? Because I think, I like that one. Historically, the Eagles, I mean, for decades now, but they've been a trenches team, right?

They build out from the lines. And they've invested lots of resources, whether that's picks, salary, whatever, on the defensive line. But they're making, it's a gamble this year in terms of what they have on the edges with their edge rushers. And a lot of that hinges on, we think, Howie Roseman thinks that Janeline Carter is a special player and a special talent and someone who in the middle of the line can create enough pressure,

can draw enough double teams that not only is he going to make plays himself, he's going to free up everyone around him. Right? And like to that, to this point. Vic is willing to play him 80% of the snaps. Unbelievable. So he's going to play a ton. He's going to generate a ton of attention coverage pressure on every snap he's in the game.

And it's still a big bet, right? Like a defensive tackle, there's a reason why teams invest a lot more on the edges, generally, except for some exceptions to that, but generally we'll spend more on the edges than they do on the interior. But I do think that he is a special enough player and has shown that, including that, certainly that play against the Rams that everyone looks back on now. It's like, that was the moment, right? Like, that was the moment where it could have been lost. Like, if he doesn't make that play, maybe the Rams score there and history changes.

But so I'm looking at him because he also has an argument as the single most talented player on the roster just in terms of the physical tools, the production, just everything. And just love watching that guy play. Man, he is just a complete bulldozer. All right. Good conversation to start the show here. We're going to take a little break, and we'll talk more birds. Maybe castration on the other side. Maybe. Oh. If you're looking for the most affordable seven passenger SUV in America, Cherry Hill Mitsubishi.com has you covered with the 2025 Mitsubishi Outlander. And they're celebrating Memorial Day savings all month long on their massive selection of budget-friendly and gas. sipping Mitsubishi's. Here's a fact that took me by surprise. Mitsubishi Motors is number one

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Is Devon in trouble? Got the boss here. Just had to come in and jump in and say what's up. What's up, A.G.? You good? All good. Look at it. Because you know how they castrate bulls?

It's like a rubber band you tie around them and then they just ossify and fall right off. Is that right? I was wondering where you were going. No, I really need to know where this is going. I had to share that one. We had Tom Harriman's on yesterday as I mystery guests. He's talking about the castrate some cows recently.

That's a little piece of my knowledge that I know. No, but we told the joke about him. I've never had them, have you? Yeah, I'm not doing that. Right time and place, I don't know. I'm out of my life. Not this time, please. Not in this lifetime.

Not for me. I'm good. Not for me. All right. If you guys are allowing yourself to be concerned as Philadelphians about this Eagles team, what is, what is bothering you? What is worrying you? Hmm. Well, if we circle back to what Devon was saying about the AJ piece, right?

Like, zoom out from AJ. AJ had, you know, if he wants more targets, if he wants this, right? When you come off of a Super Bowl win, when you have climbed them out and everyone, it's, this is an old Bill Simmons thing, yeah, the disease of me or disease of me or that's Pat Riley, I think. No, it's his buddy house. Is it? No, it's not. It's funneled down from somebody everything else.

But the old belief is like, hey, once you win and everybody gets it, you don't know how people will react. Some people are more in the mindset of, I want to do this. more, right? Like, I will replicate what I did this season. I'll sacrifice for the team. Whatever needs to be done. And some people say, well, look, you dream as a kid of winning a championship, right? And obviously, if you continue to win championships, that's great. But now that I checked that off, what if I checked off, you know, Pro Bowl? What if I checked off, you know, a hundred catches? What if I checked off? What if I'm on the quarterback? And the quarterback says, I want to win it by throwing the ball. without the straight jacket.

So what I would say is that it's not that I'm concerned that any one person is going to derail the fight to repeat or the fight to just continue contending into the future. But as you go through these roster changes too, and you have to change the fabric of the team a little bit, all these little things can just, you know, they're little holes that you plug in the ship and you have to be proactive and just aware that that's happening to have to avoid that becoming a leak that just sinks the whole season. I'll go with the coaching staff. Okay.

I'm good with the defensive coordinator. I know what I'm getting there. Now you make a change for the offensive coordinator again. Yeah. Kyle just talked about how it plays out with the, and it brings up the quarterback in the running game and all that from a season ago. Does A.J. Brown need more touches. Does his personality overwhelm the OC too,

where you're kind of putting that pressure to make sure that, hey, I got to get this guy at football. And then it also goes into the head coach of, can he do it again? Does he do it again? He got his extension now. So he's good. I don't know that he's ever going to be good. Is he good enough?

And can he press all those right buttons once again? Two years in a row like this. I mean, he's done it two of the last three. So he should be able to. We should be able to give him the credit that this guy is okay. He can get things done. So I'll go with those too with the OC and the head coach once. again because it just seems like there's always

going to be questions with Siriani and fair or unfair. That's the nature of it. He's been in two Super Bowls and we still question the guy. But he's gotten it done. And then just the new OC, once again, you just said, what, four OCs? Four and four years? In four years. So when I look

at that, does that get in the way or was this the right hire because the offensive coordinator and the head coach on the same page with the quarterback and the offensive coordinator on the same page to make sure that they keep flowing like a well-lawy machine like they were a year ago. I think the thing that Kyle said is true, and it's not a fun or sexy thing

to talk about, but it's just, it's really hard to get to the Super Bowl, right? It takes a lot of little things going right. I think the Eagles, as we talked about this morning, because are probably one of the best teams of all time. And yet if Jalen Carter doesn't make that sack in the Rams game, maybe they never get there. Yeah. And so if just one injury happens that takes you off path a little bit or if one of the other 15 teams in the conference just has a more special magical season like yeah like you know things could end in the playoffs or whatever and it might feel like a big come down when in reality it's just a slight margin off of you know what what eagles fans want and i'll add just another smaller one but something that certainly concerns me right is like if you look historically

at these huge running back seasons right a lot of times immediately after that happens it's whether it's injuries, whether it's just like the workload that you have to take on to be a guy that's in the 2,000 yard rushing territory and carrying an offense like that, it's a demanding, physically demanding position that those guys do not generally bounce back well from those seasons. And if you get good Saquan, you can still be in elite offense. But if you get more like a, hey, he's banged up all season or he's just more closer to a pedestrian version of Saquan, that could change the calculus for this. team quite a bit. But, you know, he, I'm sure, based on his history, he's going to put himself

in best possible position that he can coming off of that year. Do you want to join us, guys? We got another headset. No, no, no, I'm good. I'm just, I can't afford to sell up. Okay. Yeah. And even if, you know, if Tyler Steen is not as good of a run blocker as Ms. McIbeckton, which you probably won't be, right? Like, you know, just all those little margins if Seekwan's a little bit less explosive in the open field. Like, Dan, if a record of 50-plus yard rushes, It's like, that's not going to happen again, right? Yeah. But you look at the office.

Just not so impression. Which is why we were making such a big deal about you have to bring Dallas Godderback. Why are you messing with something? Number one, you don't have a replacement. Number two, the guy's still good. So as we saw in the Super Bowl where they decided to try to take away the run and dare the quarterback to make plays, he did.

And why was he also able to do that? Because he has talent at the receiver position and the tight-in position where you can do that. The offensive line is one of the best, if not the best, in the NFL. where you can withstand the fact that they try to eliminate what at least got you there as far as that run game. But hey, man, we just talked about AJ Brown in the first segment for a reason. Devante Smith is still underrated as a player in the NFL at the wide receiver position. And if Dallas Goddard can stay healthy, even if he doesn't. We always see when he comes back, he's still a difference maker for this football team.

And then we can all get into the whole where I would mess with you, talk with you guys. He was like, yeah, man, why are he not giving, you know, with Jahan Dots in the football or, you know, where's that coming from? But when it was money time, he went to him twice in the playoffs. Yeah, it was his best game in the year. Yeah, so I think that there's enough talent overall with the personnel that even if it's not, of course, it's not going to be another 2000. We don't think it's going to be another 2,000-yard season,

but even if he still gives you good sequo... He doesn't need to run for 2,000 yards to be an extremely productive and, you know, team-driving player. You're still Pro Bowl, Seekon, Markley, you should still win a lot of football games. He should get the boost from having sat on that couch. Yes, correct. Yeah.

Yeah, when he did the show here with the other guy. The beauty of it, though, that I love is that we can ask this question after off of a Super Bowl victory. Yeah. You can ask that. It's hard to, yeah, it's hard for the agitation to really come to a boil at this point, right? Right. At this point, right? All right. Who is the ace Bailey of the Eagles?

Oh, God. It was Johnson Garden, John. So now... Ace Bailey of the Eagles. Let's figure out the Ace Bailey, the VJ Edgecom and the Connipple. Sidney Brown. Is who? Ace Bailey.

Oh, he's Ace Bailey? Well, you know, we're talking like Toolsy. I was going to say, who's more idea than player? Yeah. Is Keely Ringo more idea than player? Keely Ringo is a good one. He certainly hasn't proven it yet. I thought I was going to get through today without having to talk about it.

I don't know why. People just get so mad about I've had him fourth on a draft board. And it's like, oh my God! How could you? More idea. I know we're a week away. Yeah, so Kielerringo, I would say... That's a good one.

More idea because it was just so odd that he was so young at Joindon. You could make a case for Jahan Dotson, too. Yeah, but he's not as length. But is his role... Right. Yeah, it's not six eight. I would say Keeley Ring though, but

Jahan Dotson won, another four. a four-year, even though you did have training camp last year, or at least pre-season. Sorry. I would say, Kilii Lee. Who's VJ. Edgecom? Is he Nolan Smith? Like, just the dog in him is his biggest deal? It's got to be a dog, great athlete, but some questions about.

I feel like that's Nolan Smith. Yeah, I think that fits pretty well, right? Because questions about how he plays the position, right? It's the size, and for VJ, it's the handle. Okay. But I think that's probably in the ballpark. And Conniffel is clearly Cooper DeGene. just does all the

he could play all yeah I mean but I think you like Cooper DeGine and I don't think you like Concanipple I don't like Concanipple I mean white guy from Duke out initials KK

out I will say name is nipple out if I was a less serious basketball analyst there would be a part of me that would be on our show every day being like you know the family full of K names

the last name can nipple is really concerned I can't be doing that. I did the KK one day. And he was like, no, we're not saying KK on the show. No, we're not doing that. You can't be doing that? Everybody in the family?

Come on. I'll ask you a question. Bad job. So his dad is the original con. So he's the second con. He's a con artist. Do you change your opinion in him at all, knowing that his middle name is just the Roman numeral two?

The middle name. The middle name is. So he doesn't, technically doesn't have a middle name. It's just the two. I feel like that makes it worse. It really does. I feel like that makes it like they're hiding that the middle name is actually another K. And they just don't want to make it public.

So let me ask you some more draft or draft adjacent questions. So Devon and I, I think, are anti-sleeves players in basketball. Is there a football equivalent of a basketball player who wears sleeves under the jersey that you're just like, I see a guy wearing this or doing this, and I just, I can't take him seriously as a future props. Well, there is the, you know, Derek Barnett used to wear like the baggy long sleeve shirt. Oh, yeah. And it was awful. Yeah, that's a, that's a tough, that's a tough aesthetic look.

That was just another reason to just be frustrated with him. I like, I like, I like Derek Barnett. Yeah, he has frustrated. But, yeah, the baggy, long sleeve underneath, tough look, I would say. Didn't Joshua do that a little bit for a little bit? I think he might have done it. And then he finally went to the more compression. I think that's right.

Yeah. Now, I will say I am always in on dreads for a defensive back. I mean, I think that, like, aesthetically, that's a great look. And it just says he can play. Yeah. You should. Yeah, I agree with that. I feel like I'm liable to be out on a guy with crazy face paint. Okay. It's a little bit too much the program for me. Yeah. So you would have been out on, like, high school Bryce Harper then? Because Bryce Harper. was a notorious, like, insane amount of eye black and all that. I actually, some Kyle lore here, I played some intramural softball in college, and there was a guy who he played against one night who was like the war paint. And we screamed the whole game. Hey, Bryce, I thought you moved the woodbats, you lose it. Just the whole game.

He was, he dropped like four easy centerfield flies. You can't be wearing war paint and not be the best player on the team in softball. That was the point, right? It's like if you showed up and you hit like three home runs at intermural soap. Unacceptable. That's a little too serious. You're like, he can't play. Yeah.

Look at the wristband and the elbow. I mean, like if you showed up with the Alan Iverson sleeve and then you can't shoot a lick. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, you got to be a dead eye. Yeah. You know who I like to had that in college was Tony Babbitt from Cincinnati. Do you remember him? The name sounds familiar, but.

No relation to Lorraine. Good. I sure hope I. All right, we're taking another break. Speaking of a different kind of cash station, we will be back with more. You've got a big one for the next segment, too. You've got to come up with those.

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He went with one glove. I said the two, so can he pick it, you know. Yeah, out. Teddy Bridgewater is probably the best example. Like, I loved watching Teddy Bridgewater play. Yeah, the Warner. Teddy two gloves, man. Just can't do it.

Can't do it. Yeah, Warner, it's not, we can't be doing that. We had an, A-Wog said excessive midriff showing with the jerseys out. But I love that for a fat defensive tackle. I mean, show me that belly. Especially if they pick up a fumble and start, you know, stumbling. Now, what is the flip side?

What is an aesthetic that? that you're hooked right away. A defensive lineman with no gloves, bare hands on a defensive lineman. Okay. Oh, yeah. Like, Reggie White style. Like,

I am trying to hangled their fingers are. I'm just a more badass human being than you are. Like that, I feel like I'm in on that. I like the, I like the dark shield. On the face mask. I'm also out on tribal tattoos

unless they are Polynesian and it's like a cultural. Yeah, yeah. Right, the appropriated tribal tattoos. Yeah, the guy said, Babin, yes. Correct. Yeah. I don't love, like, the super, super shiny chains on because why?

Yeah. And I like chain. I like a nice neck wear, but. Especially from Golden Nugget Jewelers. From Golden Nugget Jewelers, but why? Yeah. We know you have money. You're out there.

I can tell they didn't get a Golden Nugget. Yeah. And, like, what are we doing? No football IQ. Yeah. I think. What about in basketball? What's a, what's a,

it's a good aesthetic. So the shooting sleeve for me, a bad one. I hate when it's on the non-shooting arm. Oh, yeah. What are you doing? What's the point? What is the point? Yeah.

Just the occasional offhand dunk? Exactly. Or a floater. I mean, the lay-up, whatever. But other than that, you're not shooting. It's really a shooting sleeve. You're not shooting. Yeah.

When I also hated on, like, Ben Simmons wearing the shooting sleeve. Guys who don't shoot jumpers, right? It's like, yeah, like, what's going to do? What's going on here? The thing is, Iverson really wore them at first because he had two bad elbows. And he had to have wrapped them up. And then it just became his thing. And then it became a cultural thing.

And he came, all right, this looks pretty cool. Yeah. But you have it on the wrong arm, my man. Yeah. You're not shooting. Okay. I'll give you one outside of the sleeves we already. Sorry, Gene Ross.

I knew you wear the sleeve. My bad. The one that I really can't stand is when guys wear black shoes with like, all white jerseys and all and it just looks like it's the most swaggerless look almost every time and we had justin edwards on the show yesterday really appreciated him coming on hopeful for his future success he busted out the black shoes a few times this year and i was like justin buddy please do do anything else i just it just reminds me of like a guy who looks like me going out that like that's a look that like someone like me would show up at a pickup

up court and be like, yeah, I got my black sneakers on with my white tea and my white, my white shorts and my white socks just looking like a fool. So that's a, so that's one of mine. For a good part of the year, most, I would say 75% of the year, Kale wore black, black Paul George. What was the last one? Yeah, whatever it was, last Paul George, but he wore black. All right, now I'm going to spin this aesthetically. What's like your favorite thing to watch as a football fan. Is there a type of play that gets you going? Any deep shot.

You take a deep shot? Go for it. And when they did that against Kansas City up, what was 35-0-0? Yeah, the dagger? The dagger. I was certain that even with Sequin struggling the way that he was, oh, they're just going to run the clock a little bit. They will take a shot at some point, but not this one.

The dagger shot or just any deep shot, that's the one for me. I mean, the anticipation of all. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you don't. You lose it on the television because the camera might not see it. It's still so far in the air. Who's down there, right? Because of any play formation, it could be Smith and Brown on one side.

But then with all the things that work out in between the play where now Jahan Dotson is on some sort of wheel route going down the sideline, oh, it's Jahan Dotson that's on the end of that play in the Super Bowl. So I love those. Those are the ones for me. So I love a well-executed screen to a fast guy, right? where like the blocking lines up and it's just zero to 60. Not something you're going to get with the Seagulls team. What up, B. West?

And it drives me crazy watching them execute screens a lot of time. The other one and is a much different play is when I hear the official come over the loudspeaker and it's like number 70 is an eligible receiver on the play. It's, oh, it could be a big boy touchdown and a spike afterwards. So that's always, it rarely happens, right? Like most of the time they report is eligible and it's a decoy or even if they throw it to them. It's you're throwing to a lineman, but I love that one. Can I add one before you throw another one?

No, please. It's the form tackle that's like a real stick. The Cooper DeGine on Derek Henry? Yeah, that one. And of course, Sheldon Brown on Reggie Bush. So with the way that sometimes we don't know what's a real tackle, what's allowed in today's game. So when you get that real good form tackle and then it's a guy like Cooper DeGine who is not supposed to tackle Derek Henry that way, lift him up and bring him to the ground like that.

That always is, that's always a real good one, man. I like just from a, from a violence perspective, a, like, a clean shot on the quarterback blind side that he doesn't know it's coming. I mean, what's better than that? Yeah. Like, and he just, because listen, the quarterback just so protected, you get a nice, a nice, just clean shot to, you know, to just look at, oh, that's so good. Just tee off.

That's great. And even along those lines from just a violence perspective, like when Jalen Carter is just throwing a guy out of the way, like that level of physical man-to-man domination is really fun to watch. I'll throw one more on the defensive side. I love a well-time blitz, especially coming from the secondary, right? Like a late safety just like times it perfectly, and he's in the backfield before the offense knows what hit.

I just love seeing it. You know, what else I like is, now that I'm thinking about that, is a clean interception by someone in the front seven. So, like, it doesn't seem possible that the linebacker would be able to jump up and pick this clean. Those always are so crazy to me, that they're engaged with another, like, 325-pound man. And every now and then it will happen with the defensive lineman, and that's insane. I don't know how they have the reaction speed and hand-eye and all that that goes into that. The best is when they're juggling it in the air trying to. They did everything else.

They did it all and just secure it. That's good too. I like that too. Or just a clean interception period where they read the quarterback, they trick the quarterback, or it's just enough studying where they know this guy is going to do this, and then all of a sudden they break perfectly, Asante Samuel-style. Yeah, we've got to pick it clean for it to be aesthetically nice. Yeah, man.

You can't catch in the chest either. I want to see your hands catch it. Gone. Yeah. The other way. Let's go. Love Asante. Yeah.

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So, yeah. Because just like a little fingertip one where you can't really tell, that's not as fun. And the rule is, of course, you cannot leap over the center. Right, right. Yeah. Kickoff or turn touchdown, that's good. And it's because you don't see those much anymore.

Yeah, you don't see those much anymore because of how they change things. I'll never forget that Bears Colts Super Bowl where opening kickoff Devin Hester takes it to the house. So good. And then they just didn't kick to him the rest of the game. It was like that was the right thing to do because you're up against Rex Grossman in an offense that can't do anything. but I was like man if only they had kicked to him I want that's one where I'm like just as a fan of the sport I'd rather like you have to force them to kick to him so now enough of it's like kicking

around him it's how I feel about the the fouling up three stuff and basketball just drives me absolutely crazy it's I get it it's like you know you're you're playing the odds and it's strategy it's not your job to make the game entertaining it's your job to win the game but exactly that's not fun do you have any good stories from being on broad street during that post Super Bowl I'll give you a few that some of these you can actually go to my Instagram and see these

I was walking down broad and a woman stopped at the I can't remember where the there's a crown fried chicken on broad at broad and maybe like I don't know whatever immaterial woman is stopped at the intersection

there trying to cross and decided because everyone's hooting and hollering to turn around and twerk onto her car horn and honk the horn. And the funniest part is not that she did that, although that's very funny. I posted the video, and a friend of mine from college who I haven't seen in years, DMs me like, hey, look at my Instagram page. We must have walked in opposite directions and saw the same thing,

but because you're going to see a people, we didn't see one another. So that was funny. That's very funny. There was a man who climbed the... working on the street lights at, I think it was Broad and Pine, I want to say, who looked like the United Healthcare accused shooter. And so people were channing Luigi at him. That was pretty interesting.

We can spare any more commentary on that situation. And then, like, look, it was just a lot of, I just walked around for a long time trying to meet up with people, but also I sent out a tweet that was like, hey, if you find me, I got a backpack of beer and let's have a drink together. So I ran into some people, including some people who watch our shows. Nice. I ran into Wesley Share,

who I used to blog with a million years ago at Liberty Ballers, who had some cigars, so I smoked some nothing is better when the Philadelphia sports teams win because everyone here is in a great mood. So can I ask a question off of that? You've now,

what, three Super Bowls, two wins for you? what's it what's it been like to cover three Super Bowls two wins and then prepare for the next year where they are still good and

go in as one of the favorites once again and what we haven't experienced that so you know that sucks from just a hold my breath over here to mine from just a covering the Super Bowl standpoint before we even

get to what comes next I am glad that I have seen I mean I'm not glad for you guys that they lost the Super Bowl, but I'm glad that I have seen from a human standpoint, both sides of that. You know, the 2022 loss, like, man, it's just brutal, because it's such a long road. It's so difficult to get there. The moment I can picture in my mind is, like, Siriani coming up to Jason Kelsey, and, you know, Kelsey's still in his full uniform. Obviously, his brother just won the Super Bowl, so it's even more mixed emotions for him, and he's like taken off the tape

and you know Nick's like you know thank you so much for everything what a great ride and you know and Jason's like it's just so hard to get back and they got back two years later but you know it is it requires so much like we were talking about before I will say this Super Bowl

locker room compared to the 2017 Super Bowl locker room this was much more of a party now in 2017 it was still like you know the music is playing loud but at one point Doug Peterson comes in and gives a speech and they do their team prayer that they've done for a while. And it's a little bit more siloed.

Like, you know, the position mates are drinking with each other. Whereas, you know, in New Orleans, it was like a total, like, just seen. Like a nightclub mayhem to the point where, like, you know, I turn the corner and I have like a lit cigar in my ear from an assistant coach. Like, you know, you've got champagne all over you. This was much more of a – and maybe it's because it was a – younger team. And so they're just, that's where they are in their stage of life a little bit more.

But this was much more of like a, a true raucous celebration. Maybe it was New Orleans too. In terms of what comes next, that's why I'm like, I'm curious how you guys feel as, as Eagles fans about like, are you even as plugged in as much? Because I feel like, you know, when your team wins, it's hard to care about the minutia quite as much until the season is back. Then you're locked in, but I do feel like there is maybe a bit of a come down for like do you care as much about who's going to be the backup tight end right now until it actually matters. For me, I didn't answer the question that you had asked and Kyle went into it.

I did. I cared. Of course, joining you guys quickly for the draft that first night, seeing how things would play out in free agency before that. That stuff still mattered to me to see how it went. Number one, because you were losing a lot of players. But then also, can you keep Zach Vaughn? Can you bring him back? The surprise of Saquine Barkley, it may not, it wasn't a surprise maybe for you guys,

but, oh, they gave him the extension, and he got that out of the way. And seeing all of those things play out, I was still invested in the offseason just as much. The OTAs, I want to see, I want to see, even though Jahat Campbell can't really participate. I want to see it. I want to see what he looks like. And, you know, I'm a nerd about the numbers and things like that of what jersey numbers he's going to wear. Oh, the numbers king over here. Yeah, the numbers king. And

so, yeah, I was still invested and maybe even more just because they did win. And I do think they can get back and compete and defend their crown. And I would add on to that that, like, if I am not super plugged in now,

it has no bearing on as soon as training camp starts and all that. Because Devon brought up, like, you know, sharing this with his kids, right? And, like, like for me, the Eagles are so important to me in part because it's a way I connect with my dad and my friends and my family. And like the Eagles more than any other team in the city and frankly, by a pretty comfortable margin, really represent the whole city and Philadelphia as a community.

And so to me, like a big reason I do the job that we all do and like love this stuff is it's a way to, you know, be in touch with that community all the time. And the Eagles are the most obvious example of it. Yeah, the second that, you know, training camp opens, and I start seeing, you know, so-and-so looks great, and boy, this guy looks fat and out of shape or whatever, and then you go through, the preseason doesn't really matter at all anymore, but, like, that first game, I'm locked in. Yeah, I mean, we brought up on Anthony show this morning, but intellectually, you can think, okay, like, they just won the Super Bowl. They've won two in however many years, like, I will be okay if they don't, you know,

win the Super Bowl this year. I have realistic expectations. versus in your gut. If they're losing, you know, in 2018, they're losing at halftime to the Falcons, they get put off the field, right? Like, and they probably deserved it, right? We start at scratch, like, from a baseline level,

you're still going to feel the way you feel. Yeah, of course. Yeah. It's still a good time. Kyle's, like you said, you're still going to be mad as hell, but I'm on that first loss, I will be spitting mad in my house, making the worst dinner my wife's ever eaten after that game at 415.

Some player is going to come back where you'd be like, they shouldn't have made that play. they wouldn't won the game. Just like that. So, because I'm like, we're all, I always say it, but we're all, how did it happen? Yeah. Here's how it happened and that's why I'm ticked off right now. Or that's why you're reacting to certain things in the postgame because of how this particular

thing happened in the game that caused them to lose that one. So even if they lose, you're still going to cook dinner? Well, it depends on the night, but yeah, that's a lot of ordering out on Sunday. So it's, okay. At home, who's doing more of the cooking? My wife, for sure. Although I, lately I've been doing more. I've been trying, that's one of my all-season projects is just trying to.

What's new in your bag? I am making later a lemon ricotta pasta dish with some roasted broccoli and some spicy sausage, so that'll hopefully go over well. We'll see. Are we talking like the pasta is made of the ricotta? No, so it's more of like that's the sauce, right? Okay. I've been big on the New York Times cooking recipes.

It just simplifies everything for me. Okay. Anyone who can tell me, just follow some instructions. Yeah. I'm good at following instructions. I'm not so good at, like, if you just handed me a bunch of ingredients and said, hey, this is top chef or whatever, like, I'm drowning. I need some guidance.

Okay. But you're putting in the work. I'm trying. I respect that. Yeah. What's your go-to recipe, Devon? What are you making? Go-to?

I just go easy stuff. Bake some chicken, make some mashed potatoes, and maybe some broccoli, and I'm good. That's my go-to. That's not bad. That's the easiest. Broccoli is a great vegetable, man. I ride for broccoli. Easy to make.

Good for you. Yeah. You know, whether you just boil it, how you boil it and do it that way, or, you know, some roasted broccoli. Give me a food that you hate it as a kid that you like now. I can do the reverse that I liked as a kid and ate. I'm not at eggs person. Oh, okay.

For that reason. My mom always made them, of course, but I just didn't. Okay. Yeah. I meant like I would have hated Brussels sprouts as a kid. I love a nice roasted brousal sprats. I think that might be my answer too. I can do roastful brussels.

Yeah, I love a roast. Give me that crunchy, crispy skin. Love that. Yeah. But I'm more reversed. Pickles. I used to hate pickles. I used to like pickles.

I still hate pickles. I'm not a big pickles guy. Yeah. But I mean, I like a deal pickle now. But I hate I used to hate pickles. No pickles, no ketchup. Those are my too hard. Even as a kid, you hated ketchup?

My best friend in the entire world, we became friends because in kindergarten, both of us hated ketchup. So I feel like I got to, even if it's like in the wire, right? If it's a lie, we fight on that lie. Unless it's in barbecue sauce, which it's in every barbecue sauce, it's ever been used. So what do you put on fries? I prefer like hot sauce, vinegar. Like, it depends on what else you're eating with it.

The hot sauce with the ketchup when the fries is good. But, you know, you don't like the ketchup. Some aoli's, you could throw in there. Who is more disliked in the restaurant than the guy who asked for malt vinegar on his fries? I'm not asking for anything. I'll just eat the fries. I'm not picky. I'll eat lots of things.

I'm picky, so I'll say no to a lot. All right. A lot. Good stuff, guys. Thank you so much. This was fun. Broccoli gang. Correct.

Anti-cetchup. That's how you make friends. Anti-AIDS. No pickles. That's how we close on a castration note. Oh, boy. Love it. For Devon and Kyle, thank you so much for joining us.

We're back tomorrow, regularly scheduled time at 2 o'clock. We got Fran talking about some of his pre-drop scanning reports. Last minute super chat, what food is your Ace Bailey? Oh, no. More theoretical than actual. Wow. Beef Wellington. Sure.

I don't know. I just pulled that out of thin air. Something with a lot of length. Sushi. That's good. Sushi. All right. We're going to hand things over to the Sixers crew.

You can get your Ace Bailey answers there. Maybe they'll answer that question. Thank you, Chris B, for the super chat, by the way. But everybody else, thank you so much. We will talk to tomorrow. And as always, we love you. See you.