PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - MVP or not, Saquon Barkley and the 10-2 Philadelphia Eagles are Super Bowl contenders

Episode Date: December 2, 2024

Fresh off their best win of the season on the road against Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens, Saquon Barkley, Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown are the face of an offense that is doing its part for the 10-2 Eagles. But it’s Vic Fangio’s defense that may be the biggest reason for the team’s eight-game winning streak, behind Jalen Carter’s endurance, Quinyon Mitchell’s stifling nature and the ascendence of players like Zack Baun, Nakobe Dean and Nolan Smith. The Birds are for real.So too is our man Zach Berman, who is back from his drive up I-95 to join Bo Wulf for the Day After recap show. Where else would you want to spend Cyber Monday? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Doing great. Excited for the show. Sorry, it's not in person, but thrilled to be here virtually with you. you. And it's Cyber Monday, so it makes sense that we're doing this virtually, right? You and I better cyber on a Cyber Monday, you know what I mean? I don't know what you mean. But this is, this is a, this is the day after. And, you know, back in the day, he's to look Robert De Niro when I do that. That's a compliment. De Niro's had a good career. Okay. But so much to discuss. I spend a lot of time during the past,

13 hours now thinking about that game. And it's just more impressive, the more you think about it. I did not see that coming. I had the Ravens winning. Teams don't do that to Baltimore in Baltimore. And I think, yeah, I saw your headline that you put for this show. And it's not a stretch. It is not a stretch to think that this team is capable of making it into New Orleans for the Super Bowl.

they're one of the five teams in the NFL who I would say have real legit aspirations to be there. No doubt about it. And as you reflected on the game, Zach, what was the most impressive part of it to you? You start off with the

defense. Again, I don't want to echo the same thing we've been saying all year, repeat the same thing we've been saying all year, but you had a framing back when they hired Vic Fangio, that I thought was apt, which was this raises the baseline more than the ceiling, right?

This gives you a competent defense. If you told me, if you said me best case scenario for the season, what would it be on defense? Number one defense in the NFL would not have crossed my mind. 10th. I thought I would have thought was best case scenario. Not with this personnel. And I was listening. I did not listen last night.

I listened today to the show from yesterday and to the postgame show. Great show. And Fran, you know, going through all the numbers and showing how this isn't a mirage. And when you compare it to defenses of the past, this isn't based on playing backup quarterbacks or something of that nature. Eagles did this to an offense that had been on, you know, one of the best offenses in recent NFL history when Lamar's been on the field. The yards they put up, the efficiency that they play with, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

points and no one does this to the Ravens, especially in Baltimore. And so I was, that's the first thing I was impressed with. And then the other thing that that jumps out. Let's stick on the defense. Hold that thought because it's hard to overstate just how good the defense is playing. Since the buy, and I know that's a, that's a bit of a arbitrary benchmark, but there's reason to believe that they addressed some things. It's also when Cooper DeGine entered the lineup.

Since the by, it has been eight games now. So that's a half of a season. Over this half season, the Eagles are number one in the league in yards allowed per game at 241. Number one in the league in yards allowed per play, 4.1. Number one in the league, this is surprising in sacks per pass attempt. The pass rush is getting home. They're second in defensive EPA per drive. They're number one in yards allowed per pass attempt.

They're number one in points allowed per drive. And so I wanted to know, I'm looking back like if you're just looking at half season, season sample sizes. How does this stack up with like the defense of the past decade? And you know, you can you can look at slightly different things. But they are in the conversation for one of the best like half season defenses in the past decade. There are teams like frankly the 2017 Eagles had a stretch there. But as you talk about that stretch in the middle of the season for that Eagles defense,

they were feasting on bad quarterbacks. Like that was that was a little bit different. the 2019-9ers are in there. Actually, last year's jets are in there. Oddly, last year's dolphins had a mid-season stretch under Vic Vanjo, where they were among the best in the past decade. And then they went and played Lamar Jackson and it fell off a cliff after that. But the level that they are playing, it's so impressive.

And it's so impressive in so many different ways. I mean, they're doing it without key guys, like Slay misses the game yesterday. They don't miss a beat. And for Eagles fans, and for us who have followed Howie Roseman's defensive template, they are doing it in such a different way. We have talked about this is a defense that does feel built back to front, as opposed to front to back, which is how it has always been under Howie Roseman, even though they have all these resources on the defensive line,

the strength of this team is its back seven. But also beyond that, like the rotation, and we'll get to Jaila Carter because he's been unbelievable. but to play that game with just three pass rushers playing against Lamar Jackson, this guy who's going to wear down defensive lines more than any other quarterback in the league because you have to play every snap a little bit longer. And they all have juice until the end of the game,

like the play personality they play with. It's so fun to watch. And it's why you can be patient with the offense when it's not firing on all cylinders because this defense will keep them in, every game no matter what no matter who is on the on the other side line well said and it's not as if you can point to this elite player although jalen carter's been playing at a incredibly high high level but it's it's not as if they're a star studded defense you know something about

that like remember in 2002 like seven guys on the defense exactly yeah right like yeah i mean jillan carter should go to the pro bowl Zach bond might go to the pro bowl like quinyon might might, but probably not. He's not going to have the intercept. Like, that might be, they might just have two guys. And then it's, it's, it's not as if they're doing it with, you know, like a 15, 20 sack guy, right? It's, it's not as if they have someone leading the league and takeaways or something of that nature. And in a certain respect, and I say this, you know, I say this with all due respect.

Like, they are like a meat and potatoes defense in that what do they do? They tackle well. They play their assignments well. It's a little bit too big for my head. You see, the problem, Bo, when we do the virtual show is you're so fixated on how you look on camera. It's true. You know, you should just be looking at me in the eyes when I speak here, right? I'd rather watch the whole thing.

But, yeah, they're, what did the, I was on Anthony's show today talking about it. And it's, they play their assignments well. They play well together. They populate They populate to the ball That's that's that's that's one thing that I hear repeatedly in the locker room You like that verb populate I saw you do you have that in the story as well

Yeah well that comes from that comes directly from the players Populate to the ball And toughness and physicality There's the those are intangible characteristics like you can't There's no stat that says your ex tough or your ex-physical, right? But it's evident when you watch it. And I think there's a, the manner in which they play jumps to mind.

But the reality, too, I keep going back to the sound tackling because they were not tackling well earlier this year. There were games when they were missing tackles. And they are tackling much better now. And in particular, yesterday, they had open field tackles that I thought were the difference between, you know, the Ravens extending drives and the Ravens punning. And so I don't mean to bring up third down defense as like a polarizing thing here, but like they, when you make a stop on third down,

you force the team to punt, it changes so much. And there were times when the Ravens were in the open field and Eagles made that stop. And that's part of the identity of this defense. Yeah, they're, they're so fun to watch. Now let's talk about Jalen Carter. Yes. because, you know, Jimmy Kemsky has a nice thread right now on just some of the highlight players from Jalen Carter in this game. And there are a lot of them.

And I'm sure that Fran will have more on all page, I.com, on that front. Jalen Carter has already played, Zach, 57 more snaps than he did all of last season. That's like two games worth of snaps for a defensive tackle. And that's in 12 games. He played 16 last year. He has played the third most snaps per game of any. defensive tackle in the league this season over the last three weeks, right? He's playing like 98% of the snaps.

And he's playing at such a high level. And it is both, I thought that Jamie did a good job pointing this out on the postgame show last night. There are, there are the splash plays. There are like the football nerdy plays where he's taken on a double team and setting up stuff. Like the Nolan Smith sack is a good example of that. And there are also, for a guy who is playing as many snaps as he is playing, there are some really impressive effort plays out of Jalen Carter that are you talk about like you want your best players to play the hardest. Jailen Carter is absolutely doing that. He is, I thought the first half of the season, he was a little bit up and down and was a little bit of a disappointment relative to my expectations preseason because my expectations in training camp were that he was going to be in the conversation for a defensive player of the year.

the last the second half of the season he has been that level of player he has been absolutely awesome and i just just kudos to him he's been he's been unbelievable yeah and i go back to the spring first time we spoke to clinton hurt and vic feet so so clinton hurt for those who don't know is the eagle's defensive line coach vick fangio and when jion carter's name came up the thing they kept harping on was conditioning yeah and speaking to Janet Carter about what he was working on during the offseason, conditioning. And then

you see the Eagles during the summer. And we speak to Nick Siriani in about an hour. And this is a question I'm going to ask Nick. Conditioning was a major point of emphasis. The first press conference we had, now you weren't asking about defensive, the first question, the first press conference of the summer,

you asked Howie Roseman about rotation because Vic Van Joe hasn't been known to rotate. And that might have been more edge rusher, put DeLyman in there too because Christian Wilkins last year you were talking about that, right? And yeah, the, so this is coming to life.

You're seeing that here. And it is funny because it was, when the coaches were talking about it, it was always in, it was a tandem. It was Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis. Yeah. Meanwhile, Jordan Davis's snaps have not gone up

because he has not earned that, that equity with the coaching staff. But Jalen Carter, like, he couldn't, and it's funny because he's one of those guys where, you know, he doesn't look like Victor Abia Miri, okay, when he takes his shirt off and you see the shots of the locker room, right? He is not like body Adonis, this guy, but he's just like this guy was born to play football.

He's like an unbelievable football player and like the strength that he has where it comes from. but like the fact that that he is this well conditioned is frankly like given the the pre-draft scouting reports and stuff like that i don't know i don't think shocking is the right thing to say but it's it's it's it's extremely impressive yeah somewhere in balthamara right now like victor beer mary's wife is getting a message like they're they're talking about your husband uh shirtless on an eagles podcast uh that's just such a random reference but but i i i hear you i hear what you mean there and you're right. And it's the effort plays that also that jump out. Like obviously the ability to play all those snaps or the fact that he's, he is conditioned and playing at a high level throughout the game. But if you recall some of the college scouting reports and you never know what to put into anonymous scouting reports, but one thing that was called in the question was like

the effort to want to on plays. And the Eagles, to their credit, like behind the scenes, they said they didn't find that to be an issue, right? But Jamie was talking about it on yesterday's show when he was talking about a play in the fourth quarter when John Carter, you know, chases them down for a big loss, right? And that's, I mean, the game wasn't necessarily out of hand at that point, but it wasn't a play that, you know, Jalen Carter, like,

needed to make it at that time, but he does. And you just see the effort plays that he had. I'm curious what the GPS data says about him because he is running all over the place. There are times when it's evident to me, like watching in front of me, not even watching the film back, but the double teams that he's taking on. I had a nice conversation, brief one last week with Milton Williams. And it brought me back to Connor Barwin in 2014 when Connor Barwin was talking about like the benefit of playing next to Fletcher Cox and Milton Williams is like yeah if they want to play Jalen that way then you know I'm I'm gonna eat and you saw Milton have those two sacks against the Rams and then actually yesterday Jalen sacked Jalen said that was due to to the play Milton had so that's actually kind of been a real good tandem in the past rushing game but but you're absolutely right and I thought I keep referring to the show from yesterday because it's fresh in my mind like that's the last thing I heard is it's kind of like the person who uh uh uh uh who like goes into the room to make a decision.

And then the, you know, the last person to encounter him is like, you know, put the seed in his head. So all your conversations are like fresh in my mind from yesterday's show. Are you willing to do the Cooper DeGene? Well, I still need to see it back. Like I wasn't, I saw a YouTube comment that's like, Zach's such a bore.

You got to understand when that happened. I didn't, like, I saw it in a, I saw it from a distance. I didn't watch the report. play back. Well, that's not why you didn't do it. You were able to see what we were doing on the show. You could have just copied us.

Yeah, but I still need to make, you know, I don't want to just put this on the internet without me practicing it, training it, making sure, making sure I'm not crazy. So if you're going to do it, that means if you do it, then we will know that you have practiced it in front of the mirror? Not practiced it. That's not the term I would use. More just like making sure that it's not something that will be held against. me in any way that it won't be a trust to protect against something that might be held against

you when you know that there are going to be a thousand other things that are going to be held against you anyway like well why waste your time that's true that's true you kind of feel like uh like an athlete who is getting reported on when you do this show sometimes like you know you can't control what what uh what the reporter writes about you know you can give the quotes we can't so like i say something on here and then I never know how it's going to be framed. In any event, yeah, I mean, I, the way, so the conversation you guys were having about him being an all-pro player. And again, I'm obsessed with Eagles every week.

I'm not watching all 32 teams the way everyone is, or I shouldn't say everyone, the way, you know, some of the national people are. I'm reading coverage. And so I- To this comment from Clark's missing teeth He says, no way is he be boring The fish story was the best thing I've heard in years Totally agree with that

I appreciate that Clark's missing teeth Actually interesting My, so Clark's missing teeth I'll just say this My daughter lost her two front teeth recently And they have something at school called the Clarkie Which is, so now she knows all about Bobby Clark

Because Bobby Clark So it's like if you Oh, that's funny If you lost both your front teeth They put your picture up as a Clarkie And so she she wants, so we were researching Bobby Clark together and she wanted to know all about him. And so based on him losing his or not having his front teeth. Now, fortunately, Sloan's front teeth are growing in, that you know his permanent teeth, right?

In any event, General Carter being an all-pro player. Yeah, I mean, he's, he is the best player on this defense right now. he he is the player who I think opposing scouting reports are built around other players are the beneficiary of it but he is he's just awesome right now and I don't I'm curious to see what December is going to look like for him but he hasn't shown he hasn't worn off from these snaps now now that said this was around the time of year last year of that Buffalo game right and there was a a nose dive with the defense after that Buffalo game. And that Buffalo game was when everyone took a real high volume of snaps. That remains the most snaps. Joan Carter has played. So I'm going to ask Siriani today in that press conference about how that conditioning has materialized.

But we are seeing the benefits to it. And to be fair, that is the hesitance for playing guys as many snaps. It's not even about too much in-game or raising their risk. injury. It's about having them be as effective as possible down the stretch. I remember that 2017 season, you know, Fletcher Cox was playing fewer snaps than he had. And you could easily point to what he's going to get to play even more in the playoffs, right? Now, you could, you could argue that the way that the Eagle's schedule is, there's a chance that, you know, if you get, if you win your next three games, you beat Carolina, the Steelers, and then the commanders, you sew up the division,

you've got two games left in the regular season. There's a shot that you can pull back a little bit. But if they don't get the one seed, then you can't. And he's going to have to just play all the way through. So we do have to see how this plays out. But right now it is playing out very well for him. And I am open. I was looking at it too because I also was thinking about that conversation.

I'm open to the possibility that he could earn all pro status. I mean, he does need a few more sacks, I think, probably. Dexter Lawrence seems like eschewan. He's got nine sacks. But he's out now for the rest of the rest of it. the rest of the season, right? So there's a chance. Yeah. Yeah. So the chance of good job. Who else is in there? Who else is in that category? Yeah, I mean, like, you know, Chris Jones by reputation is going to be, is going to be in there. Zach Allen, if you, if you, yeah, he's playing with a defensive tackle,

has been awesome. So it's possible. And it could also be like you reward the, the best player on what could be the best defense in football. But yeah, I mean, he's, he's been absolutely awesome. I would say that I, would you say that you are more. worried about Jalen Carter's snaps or Sequin Barclay's touches? Good question. Probably Jalen Carter snaps, I would say. I think so too. Yeah.

Just because, like, you're, you can do things to monitor touches. I feel like snaps, like if he's not on the field, it changes so much. At the same time, I mean, like, you know, they're going to lose three and outs, right? Exactly. Four three outs yesterday. It's like you get those 12 snaps. That's great. So the way that, as long as they're playing this well, the snaps are not terrible, I think.

And look, and I know, I know we got to get that. So I'll just say this real quick. I know better not to look over any teams. We saw what happened against the Cardinals last year. We saw what happened against the Giants last year. But I can't overstate this. Four of the next five games are at home. Three of them are the teams with losing records.

You know, two of those teams. at least might be kind of cashing in their chips on the season, there is a chance for the Eagles to build up leads. And there is a chance for the Eagles to sit some of these guys in the fourth quarter of games. All right. Let's take a quick little break. Before we get back and talk maybe a little bit more about the offense. It's Cyber Monday.

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but I did love the clip that Fran posted on social media of that play and the reaction from the sideline anticipating the Cooper dejean celebration. So we know that this is something that they have cooked up. And I'm sure that we will get the fuller story on it in the locker room this week. But I do think it is notable. You know, everybody, I think more from a national perspective than the Eagles fans who were actually watching this team. But there is a connection to last year.

And, you know, last year the Eagles had a very good record. And then we all know what happened at the end. and I know that you don't like vibes, Zach, but the vibes are so different with this team than last year's team. This team is having fun, and I do think that that matters. Like they are enjoying playing for each other,

and you saw that celebration on the sideline, and I thought it jumped out that Bengals game is when it really started to turn to me, where these guys are like in it, and they're playing with that certain kind of energy that often is correlated with the best teams in football. And obviously, you're going to have more fun when you're winning. So it's not a one-to-one thing.

But I love the personality that they're playing with, especially on defense right now. Yeah, the Gene Celebration was planned. It was something that they worked up. Now, I'm getting this like third hand or fourth hand, but someone told me has something to do with the movie Eight Mile? Yeah, it might be an eight mile, which it could just be that like the crowd at the end did the final rap battle, like, everybody's just going like this? Like, is that what it is?

Maybe. Yeah, I know, I did see that movie, okay. And I actually watched it again a second time. I was doing a story on Connor Barwin in 2014. You told this story. Yeah, and I had to look up. And there was some eight-mile stuff that came up in the reporting. So I did watch it again for that.

Everybody from the 313, put your mother effing hands up and follow me. Um, but I, I, I did not recall, I did not recall that, uh, particular dance. Now, Cooper the Gene did perform lose yourself at the, uh, rookie, um, uh, okay, the rookie singing before this year. So maybe it dates back to that. It could be. We'll, we'll get to. Cooper did not want to say what it meant when I asked him about it.

Okay. Uh, and then, like I said on the post game show, Zach Wantt didn't know what it was. He just said he, everyone else was doing it. And CJ Garner Johnson gave me a reference that it didn't quite add up, but maybe it did. He said it's like about calming down. We'll get to the bottom of it because I know fans are interested right now. Yeah, I used to listen to the eight-mile freestyle battles to like get ready for games in high school. How did that work?

Well, we did win a state championship in junior year. State championship's good. Number eight in the country is better, but. I don't know. We don't know that. We want to stay championship, too. I think we would have smoking you guys, to be honest, if I can be honest. We'll never know.

Not smoking, smoke to you guys. Yeah. Okay. We will never know. Now, the difference is you had a lot to do with your team success. I had literally very little to do with my team success. That's okay. On any given day, who knows? Maybe we maybe we get Sean.

Grieve to roll over on one. Maybe. You never know. You never know. Yeah. I could probably do most of the words to those, to those freestyle lyrics. Even still. Yeah, they're pretty, they're pretty deeply embedded in there. Okay. Good job. Is there a good job. I don't know if that's a flex. Is that the song you know best or like the, okay.

What, are there a lot of songs you know the lyrics too? Yeah, there are a lot of songs I know lyrics too. Making music conversation. That is the most, well, not the most, because you had a lot of them, but that is among the more alien visiting Earth type lines that I've heard out of you. And are there a lot of songs that you know the lyrics do? You get to first date with ZeeB back in the day. No, that did not come up.

Are there a lot of songs, you know the lyrics? So I never asked that on the first date. I see Julia put that in the chat. Joey is making fun of me right now. Are you a music person? Julia knows per fact I am not. I said it today on if you watched Anthony's show, VG was asking about the music in the post game locker room.

Like who controls it? And I said, I'm not even pandering to Anthony here. When I was growing up in the car, I listened to Anthony's show. I listened to sports. I listened to WIP growing up. Now I listen to podcasts. I'll listen to book on tapes at the books on tape at times. But I was never a music guy in the car.

Even now, I listen to music when my kids are in the car. They get to pick a song each and then we'll change it. And then wait, hold on. And then what's the rest? Like the Steve Jobs audiobook? No, no, no, no. It's me asking them questions, like not having music, talking about what but they each they each pick a song and they each have songs that are their go-toes

um and then uh for read it was um it is now i'm like 60 years old you know it's something about when you turn seven now i'm 60 years is it the is it the five for fighting song no no no no no no no no no it's a people should know what it is. It's a very popular song. He knows all the lyrics. Oh, does he know, are there a lot of songs that he knows the lyrics too?

Or it's Lucas Graham seven years. Oh, okay. Does that make sense? Okay. And then for Sloan, it's a song that I sing in the house that she really likes. It's Adam Sandler, I grow old with you. Oh, it's a favorite movie.

yeah so but so there's like an updated version that he sings that adam stanler sings at his uh and so i i'll sing that to my in in our house sometimes that's a great one yeah there's a lyric in there that's particularly touching and so uh lyrics yeah i know lyrics of that one uh and the bob dillan songs that's about it how many bomb dillon songs do you actually know the lyrics do oh quite a bit actually If you recall back in like 2020, the athletic was doing these surveys for like, for internal emails. And they had that wonder if, and one of the questions was like they would do interviews with each of the reporters. And one of the questions was what song lyric would like describes you. And I remember like thinking real long and hard about which which which, which one to go with.

I went with I actually didn't go with a Bob Dylan or one. I went with I went with don't worry, be happy. Yeah. Yeah.

So. Okay. In any event, let's let's get back to football. Yeah, but no, I see in the chat here. Or I am very excited

for the biopic on Bob Dylan. I wrote a great paper my freshman year of college on Bob Dylan. ETS 107 or 207. I mean, you wrote a great paper? Yeah, oh yeah, I killed that paper. I mean, yeah, that class. I was really into it.

I read a book called Positively Fourth Street. Oh, I just, sorry, I just kicked this here. I'm dealing with a different computer camera situation. I am trying not to get into your computer situation, because I don't know if we'll ever talk about anything else on the show. But actually, I got an angle that works here. But yeah, I did well on that paper. Okay.

Do you think you'd be happy with your writing from? I think we've actually had this conversation before. But I think I'd be happy with my writing from what? From when you were in college. My school papers or my school or school newspaper. This paper. You think you would look at that and think you were? Oh, no, but I'm saying for like a freshman year, for a freshman college essay, it

was good. Like it wasn't good now. I read my articles from college sometimes and there was much more creative flair. I took far more chances in my writing than I wasn't as good of a writer. There were there were more cliches. It was more. But I did I did take more chances and sometimes I feel like I need to tap into you know 19, 20 year old Zach a little bit more. for the fences baby yeah because then when i got out of college like the taking chances papers you're just yeah i remember it was very much like no don't yeah come on it's it's it's it's like uh what like howard mud's advice to jason kelsey went in doubt don't right that's kind of what it was like uh you know my first job out of college it's like if you if you want to take that if

you're not sure if you take that swing if you want to if you're not sure if you want to take that swing don't take that swing. Invert that pyramid. Yeah. Anyways, let's get back. Let's see some of those flares. Maybe. I'm look.

I had two stories from last night. I have another one. Hopefully coming later tonight. I have another one. I have so interesting. I have a player survey piece that I'm excited to put out Wednesday, but I'm debating putting it out tomorrow because it's within that promotion. But then tomorrow we'll have Fran's piece.

We'll have less's piece. So I don't want to over. overpopulate the site. But also, you know, I feel like it could be a good carrot to get people to that's a good idea. The cigars, put it out tomorrow. Yeah. Okay. But then we wouldn't have something on Wednesday. That's okay.

We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. A question from the chat for you, Zach, from Charles, who says, is there an Eagles history book that you would consider the franchise to be the spiritual successor to? And if so, which book? Well, I will tell the story. I was sitting in this chair speaking to the publishing company to find people at Triumph Books after the Super Bowl in 2022 when the Eagles lost. And so February 2020, and we were going over some book ideas. And they actually presented what turned into the franchise to me.

I had like three or four other ideas that I would pitch to them. and then when I first said it, I turned around my shoulder and I said, you know, I had the Eagles Encyclopedia here. I can actually pull this off my shelf. So there's a few versions of it, but this was the original one. Okay. So I had the Eagles Encyclopedia. So I said there's already been an encyclopedia. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no.

This isn't going to be an encyclopedia that you're writing. This is a curated history. So it's more a collection of essays. And it's not the history of the franchise. It's from 1999 on. but yeah, so I would say the spiritual successor would be to the great work of Ray Dinger. Big Flex. Is there a place where people could take advantage of a Cyber Monday situation for the book?

The franchise? I mean, Amazon.com would be a good place to turn. I mean, I have a few local signings coming up. I'm in Phoenixville this weekend. I'm in Wayne next weekend. I have a few of our friends at Wheelhouse coming up. I have won at a sports bar bowling alley in Norristown on Friday night. I will put that all on social and I will say it on the show as well.

Nicely done. Thinking the rounds. Yeah, I am. Yes, much to the. Wayne must be very excited. Yeah, my, what's that? I said, Wayne must be very excited. Emily's not very thrilled, but.

I would imagine not. Yeah. I don't have a weekend free for the rest of the. year. Jesus Christ. So much for no more road trips for the Eagles. I get to be home. Yeah.

She says, you have to say yes to everything? She says. And I said, yes, I do. I am, as always, team Emily. All right. Let's get back to the Eagles here. There's going to be a YouTube comment. You guys didn't talk about the team.

Are there, were there plays or moments from the game yesterday that you think that maybe we glossed over whether in the postgame show we're just as an Eagles collective for maybe not appreciating fully. The Sequan run, touchdown run, you guys talked about it,

but the Jordan of my lot of pull black there was really good. You heard Siriani talk about, and Sequan talk about Paris Campbell and John Dotson on that run. And

how they opened up space in terms of like running out their routes on the play there. But that was the longest run that Baltimore allowed this season, 25 yards. And Roquan Smith was saying after the game that like throughout most of the game, they were in in good spots. And then that play, they had like nine or ten guys doing the right thing and two guys doing the wrong thing. And it didn't. The inside from Lane was interesting that Roquan Smith was like calling out their plays a lot throughout this game. and like he hadn't seen somebody have a beat on them that well since Luke Keekely. Yeah, he was, Elaine was effusive in his praise.

So, yeah, that's a good one. That's good insight there. So that play, and then you, I'm glad you shouted out, Braden Man, because that's something that came up. And I mentioned this on the postgame show, and I just put a tweet out on it. But I didn't know the Eagles watch every plus. 50 punt in the NFL and college every week.

I mean, how much can you kind of learn from all these different plus plus, from all these plus 50 puns? But the difference that Siriani said and that players in the locker room said, and I'm sure they said it to me because Siriani used it in his postgame speech was the fact that the Eagles fielded their puns and the Ravens didn't. And Siriani said there were two punts that gave the Eagles a combined 40 yards of field position that would not have been there had they not fielded the punts. And he said the reason why the Ravens didn't field the puns in those spots

was because of the way Keelea Ringo and Cindy Brown were playing as gunners. So I thought that was interesting insight because I don't, we typically don't talk about special teams unless there's a real spectacular play or a real egregious play. A bunch of penalties. Yeah. But those, I think. thought, and I talked about on Anthony

show today, and I said this on the post game show, I thought the Eagles should have gone for that fourth down, but this the game changed. I thought the game changed. I thought the game changed when they pinned the back, forced the three and out, and went on and scored. And I do want to go go look through all the numbers of

how many times teams score when they're in short fields, because Siriani talked about how favorable that is. You know, on the negative side, one play that I think we probably, we actually didn't talk about on the postgame show and needed to. The Sequin Fumble at the end of the game.

Yeah. I mean, could have been disastrous. They were up nine at that point. It was 344 left. So they ended up getting the field goal. But if the Ravens get that ball back, they still had one timeout left. So if they get that ball back and go downscore a touchdown, there's a chance they get the ball back. They're probably still going on sidekick.

But, you know, when Sequin is touching the ball as often as he is, eventually he's going to fumble. Obviously, he had the very costly one in the Jaguars game, sure, the drop Falcons game. So whenever a guy is seeing this, just that high volume of touches, there are going to be some unforced errors just statistically. But, I mean, that could have been a disastrous fumble, potentially. You're right. You're right. And, you know, it shows you when you recover fumbles, the changes in a harder quite a bit.

But that's a fair point. Now, I will just say, three fumbles themselves, two of them, one of them, like the botched handoff one, that's one where they probably should recover it. Two of them were of the 50-50 variety,

where, you would expect the egos to get one of those. And you always talk about, you know, fumbles and like a variance with fumble recoveries and how that's not often like a sticky, stat, right? And so fortunately for the Ravens, they recovered those, fortunately for the Eagles, they recovered the Sequin one. I just want to bring, you know, I have this story up on all

p.hly.com was the second story from yesterday, which was Sequin and Jalen, but in particular, Sequin in the game that he had. And the fourth quarter numbers are really eye popping to me. And this is the framing device I will use. If you just look at Sequin as a fourth quarter runner, take away the first three quarters of the game, he would still be among the top 32 rushers. in the NFL. Okay? And the other thing, too, here is that he has 10 rushes of 25 plus yards the season. Four of them are in the fourth quarter.

So there is evidence of them wearing teams down and the benefit to that. No doubt about it. I think the closer moniker is apt. It is a huge part of what makes them successful down the stretch. And I do think we talked about on the postgame show. The two reasons that Howie Roseman felt comfortable paying this much money for a running back were twofold. Well, the two reasons were not too filled. There were two reasons.

One was the ability to turn what was blocked into explosive plays. And two, and I think more important in their minds was, well, look at that camera work. Yeah, I'm able to zoom out. I figured that that's probably the best way to do this. was the, you know, four-minute drill type situations where they struggled last year. They were really frustrated with that. Yeah. Internally.

And so being able to lean on Sequin in these situations and take advantage of their offensive line was a huge deal to them. And that is absolutely paying off. Both of them are. You're absolutely right. And Janelle and Harps often on that four-minute part. And that was, you know, next book in the locker in his speech. we only saw like 30 seconds of the speech on Eagles from the Eagles, but it was on the four-minute offense he really focused on.

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Restrictions apply. See Empire Today.com slash pHLY for details. You wrote about Chilin-Hartz in your Sequin Park with story. Do you think that we are collectively underselling Jillen Hertz's importance to the Eagles' success? over this eight-game winning streak.

Nick Siriani, giving the impassioned plea that Jailen Hurts deserves to be in the MVP conversation, which to me reads more like managing the personality and knowing that he should be gazzing up Jailen Hertz than truth-telling. Yeah, I'm with you there. That's my interpretation of it. Now, I don't think Jalen's costing them games, right? So it's the old thing.

Are they winning because of them, or are they winning with him or because of him? And I think what, if you want to use that term game manager, which Nick Siriani said is BS, what I think Jaylon's making winning plays when he needs to. He's not turning the ball over, right? I mean, Nick talked about quarterback rating. I don't think quarterback rating suggests, I don't think quarterback rating suggests MVP, but during this eight game winning streak, he is the fourth best quarterback rating in the NFL. And, yeah, I look at it. I asked Jell the other day.

about wins and losses and stats and playing up the standard. And his response was every other stat that you point to is subjective. Like the merit of stat X or stat Y or stat Z is subjective. It depends who you ask. The thing that's cut in dry is winning. And winning is not a quarterback stat, but there is something we said about being in the winner circle every week. And Jalen throughout his country,

career in college in the NFL. Now, he played with really good players in college. He played with really good players in the NFL, right? But I think Jalen, I don't want to quote Nick and say Jalen's a winner because, but I was going to say you don't know how to quantify that. You literally can't quantify that. But I think it's more Jalen, since the buy especially, is playing, is playing within

himself, is playing within the offense, is not getting in the way of things. There are throws that he can make, but I give credit for Jalen totally buying into the way they're playing, or at least seemingly so. And then I would also say I believe Jalen when he says like winning is is what motivates him. And I do think that is where his head is at. Yeah, I mean, I'm a little bit unmoved by he's a winner.

sure i figured yeah i don't know i mean i mean joe burrow is an awful good quarterback and they're not winning right and he's making great plays now next point is that the eagles haven't had to pass late in games and there is you know there is something to that right stats tend to be inflated you know stats tend to be inflated when you're throwing the ball in the fourth quarter uh he hasn't had to now there he can be more efficient sometimes early in games for sure

especially uh early in in the first quarter we're we're seeing that but yeah I mean I don't think it's coincidence that Jaywin wins a lot of football games I'll put it that way I think there's I think there's enough there's a wide gap between it being coincidence and he's a winner and there's a lot of middle ground there that sure is the truth I think that Jalen Hertz the fact that he is protecting the ball is is huge obviously that was a big issue the first four games of the season. And for them to be able to win these tight games, he needs to do that. And I think that Nick has a point in, like, in games like this, he's doing a lot of making

the right decisions. And sometimes the right decision is to throw the ball away. I mean, when you, when you're eligible receivers are, if it's not AJ Brown or Dallas Goddard, it's, you know, Jahan, Dodson, Paris Campbell, and CJ Usama, then yeah, like, That's that's probably the right decision. I also think that what he brings to the table as a runner is easy to overlook. So he deserves a lot of credit for the Eagles being 10 and 2. But I also think it's fair to say that the passing game is the worst part of the team right now. And how much you want to put on his shoulders is up to you.

But like that is true. Are you worried about the passing game though? because I'm not. And that's the thing. Like I, I've said this before. I think there's a chance that defense can regress, right?

But I, I got to think that the passing game is going to, is going to show progress. When you have AJ Brown and you have Devante Smith, now we'll see Dallas guy. I mean,

I think it has to be better when Devante gets back, right? Or just throwing AJ more. Like, AJ, a halftime had five catches. He didn't have a catch, you know, and he,

AJ's so good. And I'm, so I'm watching, they were coming towards, me in the second quarter. And every time AJ had Nate Wiggins on him, I'm just like, throw out to AJ here. That's my guy, Nate Wiggins, right? But I'm like, I'm like, throw out to AJ here.

He's, he's going to win this matchup. And that's, I mean, this isn't like baseball where, you know, you're due up at a certain time. You can throw up to him every play if you want to, right? So I would just, I would keep feeding it to AJ Brown. That slant is, is money. and I mean, I don't mean to be the Madden coach who calls the same play over and over again, but it seems aren't stopping it. Yeah, I'm surprised that they didn't throw it to AJ before yesterday.

It seemed like that was a missed opportunity. I'm curious to hear what Fran says about the gameplay. They also, I mean, frankly, didn't have that many opportunities. Like, you know, they had six plays in the third quarter and went three and out both times before they then had the touchdown drive on the, on the sequon touchdown. And then at that point, you're trying to run out the game. It is notable that we are not seeing Jalen Hertz throw deep quite as much as he did last season. Last year, he attempted the most passes of any quarterback in the league of 25 yards or more downfield.

This year, he's down at like 10th or 12th on that. I have the numbers here somewhere. It was like 3.2 per game last year. This year, it's down at 2.3, which is the last year. lowest of his career is his air yards per attempt are the lowest of his career at 8.0, which is very close to what it was in 2022, which was 8.1. This is one of the surprising things of like they're not they're not doing those one shot a game to Quest Watkins type plays, right, which was we sort of thought Jahan Dotson was was here for in part. And I do think that the longer

this goes on where the Eagles have played games without either AJ Brown or Devante Smith. and Jahan Dotson is completely absent from the offense still. We don't need to wallow in negativity for a team that's 10 and 2 and looks like a Super Bowl contender. But the Jahan Dotson trade is looking like it may be like arguably the worst trade of Howard Roseman's career value-wise. Yeah, I think it's still early for that. He gets to be here for another year. Sure, exactly. But I mean, I would say Golden Tate would probably or Robert Quinn would be worse than

that Robert Quinn was a fourth round pick. Golden Tate was a third round pick for a half a year. So they're going to have Jahan Dotson for a full year next year. I think that that goes into the calculus. Honestly, I would say Janard Avery was the worst trade that he made. Yeah, but even that was that was a fifth, right? A fourth. Fourth.

Yeah. A third round pick is a real pick. Yeah, that's what they gave for Tate. Yeah. At least Tate had a got a game winning touchdown. Yeah, Tate gave them a playoff game. John Dotson is going to give them two years. But Tate also, I mean, I know part of their calculus was Tate was going to give him a compic.

Like, I don't know, I don't know what kind of compick they're going to get for John Dotson. Yeah, but I mean, that's, yeah, that's, there's still a whole other year for. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But like if next year is like this year, then it's pretty bad. True. Yeah. I mean, again, I get we do a show every day. I'm not going to kill them on, you know, the day after.

I'm saying we don't need to wallow in it. I'm just saying like it looks like an awful trade. It's not working out so far. I agree. And look, because exactly what's happened to make it relevant to the Ravens game, we spoke about when they traded Dotson, it's not just getting a third receiver. It's getting a Devante Smith replacement or an A&J ground replacement. That's come up multiple times this year, and he hasn't answered the bell in those regards. Okay.

Anything else on the offense that you would like to discuss? No, I'm curious to see what Francie's on film. We'll see the status of Dallas Goddard. but really that's those are kind of my big I think Sequin the offensive line and feed the ball to AJ Brown. Khalif is on top of it, man. He knows when that 259 hits, it's time to say thank you to the television viewers for checking us out and make sure that you check out the rest of the episode on all p.h.O.com. Julia, can I bring you in for a second? Hello.

Hello, Julia. Are we able to play the thing? Yes. Okay. Now, Zach, we haven't talked about Nolan Smith yet. Nolan Smith, a fantastic game yesterday as his snap counts continued to rise. What a second year assent it has been for Nolan Smith. And if you just wind the clock back to the night that Nolan Smith was drafted.

A big moment in a... in this shows and its iterations history. And I know that exactly, you're reading every comment. I know that you know that this was coming. So we have to go back now. Given the transactions league-wide to 2020- Drath Night.

Yeah. You know, the commanders make a terrible pick. The Manuel Forbes, your boy. That's not a terrible pick. Yeah. I mean, on a night when the Lions took Tamir Gibbs at 12, Jack Campbell at 18, a bunch of other questionable picks, Emmanuel Forbes at 16 is the worst pick of the night. Your Emmanuel Forbes thing is like, you know, sure, he intercepts, passes, and breaks up passes at an elite rate.

But he's 17 pounds lighter than your prototype. type. So there you know, 17 pounds is a lot of pounds. Do you watch? When you watch him play, I watched him play and I thought that he was one of the worst corners I've ever seen. Oh really? Okay. Yeah. Okay. And his interceptions were guys just dropping balls right into his lap. Which he's going to be bad. Wait, was it the 12th, the 11th? It was the 11th, the 12th, 13th, the 14th. Like, I'm curious. One really nice play. One your boy, Christian Gonzalez, we're a boy, Christian

Yeah. Went three years without catching another quarterback's pass. Emmanuel Forbes, he, he had, he had, he had, Emmanuel Forbes. Let's make a bad tonight. Wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no, I just want to give this stat for you. Emmanuel Forbes returned more interceptions for touchdowns. Then Christian Gazales and Joey Porter have interceptions combined. Okay. If Emmanuel Forbes goes to a Pro Bowl, I will buckle in. This goes on.

He can cover. He can cover. He has ball skills. He can't cover. What he can't do. And he can't tackle. Yeah. He's he's not a great tackler. Okay. I will, I will, I will grant you that. But you know what you are? You're the guy who would take him at 16 to not even move around. Like, it's really, that's really bad. What can I, what can we, what can we bet on here on Emmanuel Forbes? I think we should, I think we need to go on the record here. Let's, let's put some. I'm not saying he's, I'm not saying he's going to be a pro bowl player. I'm saying you're just like your, you ever makes a pro ball.

I will give, uh, $500 to your favorite charity. Really? If you're out of the league within six years, then you will do the same for me. I mean, five, uh, um, I would really have to look at the data of like how I mean six players don't usually first round picks don't get six six year and there there could be injured like he could you're telling me this guy's elite former you don't feel good enough about the 16th overall pick that he's going to last in the league for six years oh he could tear his Achilles in the first

practice and be okay right like so that yeah I'm not I I would need to look at more data to to answer that question. Come on. Go on the line. Look at Bo walking in $500. His betting threshold. He's pulling up. Yeah, but in future money.

What? I bet MGMs are, I was about to say a different playstation. I shouldn't do that. Bo just randomly pulls up bed MGM. He's putting $500 down on props. Let's see. I can't do,

I can't do six years in the league. How many players make it? Because how many players make it six years in the league? 16th overall picks should absolutely. You're telling me it's a good pick. If it's a good pick, he should be in the league for six years. I said he's a good player. I wouldn't have taken him 16th overall, but I think he's a good player.

You have such a distaste for him because he's 17 pounds below your prototype. That is so many pounds. Okay. You know, 14 interceptions is so many interceptions. No, not the ones I've seen. Six pick six is are so many pick sixes. No. No.

The he's U G-L-Y. He ain't got no alibi. I will agree to a bet with you, but I, I mean, the six-year threshold, I, I need to look at it. What's a good? What's a good? People like Polar Jam saying live a little. Poor jam. Do you just go in and throw $500 down on something that you'll think about inflation.

Six years from now, $500 is going to be like $40. You are right about that. I don't think you understand your nation. That's like the side phone episode. We're talking about write-offs, right? And Jerry's like, can you know what a right-off? Imagine him lining up across from AJ Brown. How do you think that's going to go?

How do I think that's well done, though? Yeah. Sometimes he's, I mean, if he has to tackle AJ Brown, not very good, but the ball doesn't get the AJ Brown. That's, that's, that's a little different. Yeah, okay. What are you going to do? What are you, what's your, what's your proposal?

What's your rebuttal? What's my rebuttal for what? It's for charity, as Corey Katz says. I understand it's for charity. I thought you had a good heart. I don't know. I will make a bet with you. I just, the six years threshold is so, I don't know where that's coming from.

I'm really bad during you here. But that seems like a reason, because it's going to be objective anyway. So we're not going to go off both football focus grades. We're not going to, like, what do you want to do? I think that's a pretty reasonable. I think if he's not in the league, league six years from now, that's a good indication that it was a bad pick. That means I was right. I think if he, let's see, if he starts, if he starts 50 games in the NFL.

No, you're looking, you're talking about that's like your side of the thing. That's Pro Bowl. So you're saying if he starts fewer than 50 games, I win? Yes. Okay. And if he starts 50 games, because 50 games would be That's three seasons plus. No, no, 17. So that's actually three full seasons. I don't know if that's good enough for me because Washington might just run him out there. Although I don't, I don't think he's going to start 50 games.

Yeah, I'll do. I think 50 games is pretty aggressive. There's a lot of because the thing with me is like, yeah, I don't think he's going to start. Chase here. What says that? Okay. But let's say this. Okay.

Um, it can't be a career ending injury. It has to be performance related. The, the bet is is, I don't know. No, no, because part of the deal is this guy, but no way. No, because what if he gets a career ending injury because he got run over by AJ Brown and he's a hundred pounds? Like that's that's part of the problem. Uh, I mean, I'm just saying like a guy.

If a player tears his Achilles in the first practice, then their chances of of starting 20 games in their career is significantly lower. So I'm, I'm absorbing so much more risk than you are here. That's no, you're the one who loves the guy. All right. Let's let's get the Nolan Smith. Okay. Well, let's revisit.

We have a whole summer to revisit in manual. No, we need to make the terms of the bet tonight. It needs to be a draft night bet. Marissa, what do you think? I mean, I think something for charity I'm all for, you know, but I do think you got to give Zach a little time to maybe think this through. Oh, come on. But who would you rather have? I think 50 games is fair.

I mean, to say to start, like he has to start 50 games, that's a lot of games. That's a lot of games. So I would say that's a fair wager. All right. How about? How about 52 games? If you put in the injury clause, then yeah. The injury clause, I don't know.

I think the injury clause has to be part. It does not have to be a part of it. Okay. Well, then I mean, I will gladly make a generous donation to a charity of your choice. But this particular bet, I don't want to be. How about I'll give you, I'll let you carve out. I'll let you, I'll let you carve out two injury types. Okay, so if you want Achilles, you can have Achilles and then you can carve out one other injury type.

Otherwise, anything else counts for me. Let's discuss it off of all fair to because because we do have something in our contracts about about betting on football. I want to be very careful that we're not violating. No, this is for charity and it's not okay. It's fine. Okay. Yeah, all right. I'll give, okay.

I get to you get to. You get the Achilles and you're not. You can call. Here, let's just, yeah. Here, how about this? Let's say a non-contact injury. Absolutely, bully. No.

All right. Let's get on the Donald Smith file. No, we got to, we got to hammer this out before we move on. Oh, it is. I'm holding you hostage. My bag's starting to hurt. You need to just. Okay.

All right. 50 games. 52, 52. 52. 52. So, 502. 52 and I get two injuries, which you say. Yeah, you get Achilles.

I think they should be able to be blanket injuries. Okay, fine. Like, if you're making Zach up to 52. But the, but all right, all right. We can be subjective with the injuries, but you can't, you can't hold on to if he, he tears his Achilles in year four, but he's only started five games. Like, okay. It has to materially affect the of his career. What about a second contract, Quinn says in the chat?

Yeah, but in Bo's defense, like, Like first round picks often get that that one year show me contract that some other guys get. So greedy way of it was second. Yeah. All right. We have a deal. Sure. Would you want to make the price less or you're okay with the charity?

I like the charity component of it. Yeah. Yeah, I like the charity component of it. All right. On on, on. I just have to make up one Pro Bowl. Oh no, no, no. We're just we're removing the Pro Bowl.

It's just at 52 games. It's just the start of whether he starts 52 games or not. Okay. Yes. I think that's it. Okay. I feel good about that. On Friday, April 28th, the year of our Lord, 2023, 304 a.m.

Bow Wolf and Zach Berman have come to terms on the Emanuel. I still feel uncomfortable. I still feel uncomfortable having a, okay. You don't need to get onto it on there. Well, yeah, I just don't want anything that. I don't think it's a bed. If anybody comes to talk to us, this was just for content. Okay.

It's more of a prediction. It's more of a like, no, that was for the, that was for the overlord. Drop night prediction, I would say. Okay. I looked really like that. Okay. So anyway, after the 304 a.m. 304.

Yeah. I mean, 304 a.m. I had been working at that point probably an 18-hour day. I just want to. We actually get into that later. You got up at 5 a.m. that morning, which I'll get. on you. I just want to talk about the player that the Eagles drafted.

Look, we will, when we're in person, I'll, I'll make a generous donation to a charity of your choice. But I just want to say this. Like, you know, I'll say this for the audience because I figured this was going to come up. I totally forgot about that bit. I was wrong about a mangan forest. Absolutely.

And I will own that. And the reality of this job is that we go on record about players and go on record about things, you're going to miss. And I own that. And by the way, if you listen to our shows over the offseason, one of the things I like to do on players that I miss on is try to figure out why. What was my blind spot here? Where did I oversee it? In my Nate Wiggins conversation, I said, you know, I probably didn't put enough stock on the weight of Emmanuel Forbes.

I look sometimes at maybe ball production is not something that. carries over 100% I was wrong there without a doubt and I will own that and I and you know what I will keep making um evaluations so to speak I mean we have Fran he's our guy but I will keep talking about prospects and some of the times I will be wrong sometimes I will be right and when I'm wrong I won't up to it when I'm right I probably won't mention it um but um you know because no like the proves that like all you have to do is watch los vegas raiders this year and see how good brock bowers is like i don't need to like um you know go back and and talk about it i mean there's a clip online from the um my guys during the draft thing where i have this head of steam i talk about all these different players i like and

like you can go and look at how those players are performing right now um and but i was wrong about i mania forms i think the takeaway is the right takeaway in the in the in the chat which is after watching that clip, people cannot believe that you signed on for a different job to work with me somewhere else.

Yeah, yeah, that's a fair point. No, both great, post the best host in the city. I don't mean to cut this short next year I'm going

in like a minute. We have a very quick super chat just to get out there from real time with Prince Blue who says Zach reminded teachers about pop quizzes. I don't know

that need to be mean to mean to my guy, but yeah, look, I was wrong on Emmanuel Forbes. anyone who asks, anyone who wants to put the pie in my face, I deserve it. I was wrong. And that's, that's the reality of this. And I can't, I can't, I can't run from it. I will own it.

The same thing I did on Anthony show about that fourth down yesterday. When you put something out there and you're wrong. Well, it doesn't, you know, you weren't necessarily wrong about the fourth down. No, you could have gone to a touchdown there. Like, you raise your hand. I remember covering closers in baseball who would they, they would give up the walk off. They would show up and they would say, I throw a bad pitch, right? And we try to do better next time. I made a bad pick. Yeah, well, this is more about, this is more about like we made a bet and people, people want to know the tail.

I was very uncomfortable about $500. I was very uncomfortable at the bet. That was very clear there. I mean, I really felt like I was being bullied in the submission. But we'll talk about this. This would be a good thing for tomorrow's show. I do want to get this, Siriani. All right.

Thank you to everybody for watching and listening. Thank you, Julia, for making that happen and gracing us with your appearance on the show. We will be back tomorrow at 2 o'clock with the Duff Man in studio to talk about everything that he saw. with the eagle eye in the sky. I'll do it. We'll talk to tomorrow. And as always, we love you. You're all silly like the mayor.