PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Narrowing the pool of NFL Draft prospects for Howie Roseman & the Eagles to focus on

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

Cam Ward, Shedeur Sanders and Justin Hunter? Yeah, right. Who are the realistic players for the Eagles to focus on come late April? Walter Nolen, James Pearce Jr., Donovan Ezeiruaku, Luther Burden, Aireontae Ersery & Malaki Starks, come on down! Plus, the Eagles sign Kendall Lamm to compete as a swing tackle and Christian Elliss gets the money he deserves. Join Fran Duffy and Bo Wulf for another episode of the PHLY Eagles Show. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. Bowulf Fran Duffy in studio for the second time in two hours. Fran, how you doing? Good to see you. Doing great since the last time we spoke about 30 minutes ago. You're looking sharp, baby. That was a good episode of the draft show. We should check that out. P.H.O.I draft show with Fran Duffy talking about the draft outliers on defense, extended Shamar Stephen conversation.

Plenty of good stuff. Shmar Stewart. I am losing it in the copy for this show. Beforehand, I wrote Justin Hunter instead of Travis Hunter. Hey, you know. That baby hasn't even come yet and I already have lost my brain. Look, it's a long draft season. It gets to everybody.

But, you know, there's still time to come back. Still time to bounce back. Bigel signed a guy, friend. They did. Kendall Lamb. Howie signed a big old lamb, big old lamb, big old lamb. Big old lamb, how we signed a big old lamb

Who plays both tackle spots Very nice As Zach would say Break out in song every once in a while Yeah, I heard they took him I heard they took him out to dinner You know, there was a visit before the signing I think they had some

Fava beans and a nice candy Well, they needed a lamb to back up the coat in Lane Johnson. Nice. How do you feel about a 33-year-old kind of lamb? I went back and watched a couple games. You are dirty, dirty, dirty. In between shows.

Just kind of buzzed through real fast. Ten year vet, Dolphins last couple years. Yeah. I mean, the guy's played for a long time in the league. So you know what he is. He's played both tackle spots extensively. Played both last year for Miami. So he's played some left.

He's played some right. He's a different body type than Fred Johnson, who that's kind of the role that you're projecting him on to here for 2025. ideally you're drafting over him to not be the swing tackle. But yeah, you can get by if he is your swing tackle for this year. Okay, so you like it. That's fine, yeah. He almost retired last year, he said.

Right. Okay. Yeah. There's your insight. Free agency frenzy continues on. The eagle sign, Kendall Lamb, we'll talk to you tomorrow. Yeah, I mean, look, he's a different body type, different kind of player than Fred Johnson.

He's a little bit more athletic, a little bit fleeter afoot. But I think when you're looking at it, again, you're, you're, you're a little bit of a you're probably trying to draft over Kendall Lamb at this stage in his career. It's 33. But yeah, you check the box. And that you can afford to wait an extra round on a tackle if you want to.

Okay. Also, news around the NFL. Fire up the organs. Let's just say that the collection plates brought in a lot of money this time. Christian Ellis, the Patriots, matched that offer sheet. Two years, $13.5 million.

dollars. Who could have seen it coming? This guy could have. Yeah, I mean, it's a solid year. I got to look at what the exact, what the exact numbers were from an APY standpoint. What was it? It was a, you have that number handy. 6.75. Pretty good. Yeah. I mean, that's, solid starter money for Christian Ellis. Exactly. For solid starter. That's right. I mean, You're gonna send the mic flying.

You almost hit the mic like three times in the last two minutes. I'm just saying. Some people know Paul, some people don't. All right, the conceit of the episode today. Yes. Beyond those two things, Fran, is everybody knows that we've got the diehard draft guy.

Correct. Fran Duffy's thoughts. He can get into the mind of a Fran Duffy if you are a diehard, great time to become a diehard. only place that you're going to get this living, breathing, draft database with rankings, scatting reports, information, all that good stuff. But that's a league-wide ranking that you have there. Each of the All-City Markets are also going to pair that down to the specific 100 prospects relevant to each team.

So there will be an Eagles 100 within that database that is separate that is just focusing on the Eagles players, or Eagles potential focus players. And so we got to do that work. Let's just do it on the show. I love it. And look, it allows you so that when you get to draft weekend, that, you know, and this is not just going to be covered in this episode. Obviously, you want to make sure that you get the article when it's published over on all-P-H-O-I.com.

But that'll give you the ability to sit down going into the Thursday night of the draft and say, okay, who are the players I need to be focused on for the Eagles? You're not worried about Shador Sanders. You're not worried about Travis Hunter. You're worried about who are the players that could potentially fall to the Eagles of 32, get within striking distance, whom I worried about for day two, day three,

so on and so forth. Let's do it. Love it. Let's just go through the Fraynduffy top 100. Tell me, we can whack people, we can say they deserve to be on here, all that good stuff.

Abdul Carter. Obviously the Eagles would love Abdul Carter. He's not good. Unreasonable to even put him in the top 100. Would not make sense for him. Although maybe we make him one just as a nice nod to his Eagles fandom. I'm sure he would probably appreciate that.

He should be number one on the Eagles 100, and then after that we can move on. Yeah. Just in case he happens to tank his draft stock because he wants to go to the Eagles that badly. If you had a Laramie Tuntil gas mass situation, how far would Abdul Carter fall? In this draft? In this draft. Two.

I don't think that he's getting out of the top five. Unfortunately. Okay. Cam Ward, see you later. Travis Hunter. See you later. Will Campbell? Yeah, see you later.

See you later. Armand Memboo? See you later. See you later. Mason Graham. See you later. See you later. Luther Burden.

He's on the board. Yeah. Lou Burden. Tell me on Luther Burden. I mean, he is... You are higher on him than consensus. Yes. Missouri wide receiver, for those of you, unfamiliar.

Yes. To me, when I look at who are the game-breaking past catchers in this class, it is Travis Hunter, and then you get to Luther Burton. I think when you look at his abilities with the ball in his hands, his ability to be avert. threat down the field. I know we talked about him a little bit last week on the PHOI draft show as an outlier just in terms of like the overall usage with Luther Burden. He has been a slot receiver but also can play outside. And again, while they will try and like scheme things up for

him and it's like underneath stuff and screen game and RPO, they will use him down the field. And he's been a proven deep ball catcher has been able to finish in all three areas of the field. If you go back to his sophomore film in 2023, it was more productive, a little bit more consistent. You saw him making a catches over the middle, taking huge hits through contact. I think the flashes there are good enough with Burden that to me, he looks like a future, you know, some of the names I wrote down. I wrote down flashes at Jalen Waddle. I wrote down Brandon Cooks, a similar kind of body type there as Cooks coming out of Oregon State. I think there is a little bit of Jalen Rager there in terms of what I liked about Rager and some of the

concerns with Rager coming out of TCU. But I think when you're looking at Burden, to me, like if you're swinging for upside at receiver, he's one of my favorite players. Could you see the Eagles doing that in the first round? Or with their first pick? You have been kind of banging the drum for like maybe they could surprise with offense early on just because of like how contracts could be spilling, you know, going back the other way by the time that this first round pick is ready to re-up after

year five. So that would be the one that would be the selling point. I do think you're probably punting one more year at receiver at least, right? Just because you have to Han Dots. I think receivers unlikely. Yeah, I do. Should have drafted safety. Yeah, even if, well, yeah, even if Burden were to fall to, like, the end of round two,

which that's been one of the big mysteries for me during this pre-draft cycle. It's like why the shine has worn off so hard on burden. But yeah, to me, that seems unlikely. Would you like him better if his name was, if they went by Lou? Lou Burden? Lou Burden. No, I like a Luther. It's a strong name.

Luther is a strong name, I agree. But for some reason, Lou Burden. That's just because you just wanted to be closer to Lou Nichols. Maybe that, honestly, maybe so. I like, I think you nailed it. Emergency pod. I think for Luther Burton, yeah, I think he's a gamble worth taking. Okay.

Next up, I think we have someone who, Abdul Carter aside, might be number one on the Eagles 100. Okay. And that is Malachi Stark's. Yeah. The safety from Georgia. I mean, could there possibly be someone who was more, of an Eagles pick.

I guess, I mean, first round safety is not necessarily something they've done before, but you get the point. Yeah, young player, high character, all the reviews are off the charts in terms of what he brings

from a leadership standpoint, from a work ethic standpoint, the right school, you know, playing for Georgia, a part of that defense. And, you know, look, the thing is that's interesting,

everybody's going to be pointing to all these Georgia guys and saying, like, oh, like he's going to know, Nolan Smith, we're starting to get to the point where, you know, like Malachi start. was a freshman for Nolan Smith's final season.

Right? Like those things, they haven't all played together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not as fun as when they go and they bring in Aziz O'Giallari. It's like, oh yeah, look at this screen grab where seven of these guys are on the field. But that said, the inroads are there. You're getting good intel on a Malachi Stark. But the position need is there after the trade of C.J. Gardner Johnson.

I think Malachi Starks belongs in this list. Now, you love the next safety on the board, Nick Eman Worry. Yeah. You love that guy. Love him. I love them. I love fun. I don't know.

They are like, I mean, the margin is so razor thin. Okay. I mean, they're like razor, razor thin. I love both players. It's basically the same grade. Okay. But you would still water gun to your toe, you're going Stark's. Why?

I just think in terms of like the instincts, the ball skills overall, I think I would just take, I would give Stark a little bit of a nod that way. Okay. Iman Wari will be on this list? Eman Wari, he is bigger, stronger, faster, essentially. Check out the P.H.O. Wide Draft. with Fran Duffy for a little bit of context into that because it is insane what he did at his size at the compound.

Ash and Genty, not going to be on the Eagles 100. Will Johnson? Probably gone. I would take almost certainly gone. But could the arms make him fall? Could the arms make a fall? He didn't run. He's got the hamstring injuries.

I just think that in this class, I think he's going to be off the board. How do you feel about a Tyler? We actually talked about him last week, but how do you feel about a Tyler Booker for the Eagles at 32? I would keep him on this board. I think when you're looking at Tyler Booker,

he is so powerful. He's got great length. He's got unique traits. The position versatility is not ideal. He's only played guard, and probably he's only going to play guard moving forward. I don't think you're moving into center. I don't think he's got the feet for tackle.

The question is the athleticism. So would you take an unathletic guard in the first round? Is that Howard Roseman's MO? Probably not. That said, if he were to fall, I could see him being a best player available. I do think that he's a great fit for Jeff Staling, the way that they want to play.

And if you just want to say, all right, like we want a guy that's going to come in and be a starter. Tyler Booker comes in. I think he becomes your starting right guard. Yeah, that is, I mean, as we like to stay on the other show,

in this draft. Maybe that is worthwhile for the Eagles. Within this context, as we're going down, these guys, let me know if there are guys who you think are would be higher or lower

for the Eagles, whether that is a scheme thing or a preference thing, relative to even how you rank them. Yeah, definitely. I think, too, you know, when you look at some of the things, some of the markers of the recent drafts

for the Eagles under Howie Roseman and like under this coaching staff with Nick Siriani, like Booker matches, and I would say the same thing about like Starks. I would say this thing about Eminwari. He has a lot of the same markers that you're looking for like the dog mentality aspect of things. Like a lot of the guys they've brought in have been

like your high character, like the leaders, the captains like Booker aces off the field from a toughness standpoint. That's one of the standout traits for Booker. I think he really, really fits. Gray's Abel, your boy, from North Dakota State. Keep him on there. Okay.

Yeah. This is a guy who has been a starter at all five, he was played all five positions in college. That versatility is very important to the Eagles. It's very important to Jeff Stoutland. He's been a left tackle most recently, but with his arm length, I think you're probably projecting him more to guard.

I don't think he's like the, like he's power. He's got power, but I don't think he's, quite as like he's not Mikey Becht in he's not Brandon Brooks he's not like that like he's not landing 6-6-312 yeah like he's not that kind of physically imposing

guard some people think that he's probably best at center and yeah I think that that's probably a fair assumption to make the Eagles obviously don't have a need at center you know unless they're not going to re-up I'm hearing all of this and I'm getting Graham Barton vibes well that's what he was my comp for him

when I went back and I studied when I studied Gray's able for the first in the fall. It was right after they played Colorado early in the season, week one, and I watched him the next day on film. And I said, he looks like Graham Barton last spring, where Barton was a left tackle at Duke, but athletic, versatile, extremely tough. I felt so good about Gray's able throughout the process. Ariante Ursari, who you have talked about several times. Yeah. Big old man, 6-6-331. Arms are a little bit small relative to his size, but that's okay, not a big deal. You think he can go to guard? I think he could. Yeah, he's got, and he's got

that size. He's got the traits. He's an unrefined player, relatively late to football, didn't start playing football to his junior year or high school. Still a starter at Minnesota for the last three years. So I think that there's plenty of traits to work with. He is like probably a late round one, early day two type of selection overall, like scheme agnostic, team agnostic in the draft. So I think when you're looking at nursery, this is a guy that I think fits a lot of what we have come to expect from a like Jeff Stoutland, offensive line, you know, dart throw here

for the Eagles. It makes a lot of sense. You think there's any chance the Eagles take a corner at the top of the draft again and specifically thinking here about Chavon Revel from East Carolina, who actually turns, is a little bit older, turns 23 in April, which is interesting because someone who was drafted

two years prior to that, Keely Ringo doesn't turn 23 until June. And Keely Ringo is actually a, year younger than Quinyon Mitchell. I hadn't heard that. I hadn't heard that yet. Yeah, I think that Revel, he definitely plays the way that they want to play when you talk about like the aggressiveness.

But this is a guy that he's coming off tourney CL. Would they be willing to take that? I think this is one we're like, let's keep him on the list, but let's bump him down like 20 spots because I just, I don't really think that they would do that at 32. I would tend to agree. that would keep Cooper Dijin in the slot for sure, Revel's an outside corner. You're stacking the timeline of those contracts.

I mean, you shouldn't make your decisions based on that. You should take the best player, but it helps break a tie. Does that worry with you? Do you worry about that with Starks and safety as well? Like having that much tied into the secondary all at once? That's a fair question. I do think it's a little different. Okay.

Because you can still count on getting by, if you're thinking about it, you've got five spots on the secondary, right? And if let's say Stark's hits and you're paying three guys, you can still afford to get, there's only one corner and one safety where you're going to try to go cheap, right, as opposed to trying to get by with two cheap safeties.

Right, yep. I think that's a little different. That makes sense. Plus, safety is not going to pay as much as corners, so you're saving money that way. Sure. Yeah. Makes sense.

Okay. Teteiroa McMillan. I think we could probably throw him out. I think so. I would think he'll be off. He should be off the board about time the Eagles pick. Walter Nolan, a player who I think might even go up a few spots in the Eagles 100. Yeah, I think that he, it seems like he's going to be there.

Yeah, defense tackle from Ole Miss. Yeah, defense tackle Ole Miss. Thank you. I mean, I mocked him at one point to 11 to the San Francisco 49ers. That feels like it's probably his ceiling. But I mean, you read Mel Khyper, Daniel Jeremiah, like those guys are obviously very plugged in. And they've got them fall into the Eagles at 32, falling out of round one altogether. It sounds like he's going to be available for the Eagles. I would love that dart swing. That's the second time I said dart swing.

That's all right. I said Shamar, who did I say, Stephen? Yeah, Sharmar Steven, Travis Hunter. Basketball player, I think. Shammar Steven, is that a thing? Maybe. No, he wasn't he a defensive tackle at UCon? Okay.

Defensive tackle, Schmarer. I think that's exactly who that was. Timar Steven, defensive tackle. Bam. From Yukon. Seventh round pick in 2014. 2014. Wow. That's fantastic. That's outstanding. Yeah, that's pretty good.

Long Island Luther, Brookville, New York. Wow. Shout out to Shamar Stephen. All right, the last player from your tier four, which is where we've been, no, no, this is, there's two more, actually. So Tyler Warren, I think we can probably toss out. He's not. Josh Simmons is a player who I think is a a like top five player for the Eagles, like who they would like to get there realistically. Okay, yeah. Coming off the ACL, can play a couple of positions.

This is like a Harry Roseman classic if he was in the draft next year. You get top five pick or whatever. Like, that's like almost perfect for them. Yeah, I think he could go as high as 13 to Miami. The Miami Dolphins have shown a propensity in the past to, you know, basically look past medical red flags. They did so with Jalen Phillips.

So, you know, they have been, okay with taking those medical risks. It's obviously at a position of need. He'd be a great scheme fit there. I think that's the ceiling. I've seen, I should say, I've heard some rumblings with him in Arizona, potentially.

They just hired Ohio State's offensive line coach, Justin Fry, to be their offensive line coach down there for Jonathan Gannon. So there's a tie in there. So that would be another team to watch. They already have Paris Johnson. That's right. They've actually,

they've spent a first round pick on Marvin Harrison Jr. Last year as well. So there's definitely some Ohio State inroads. with that team. But coming off the Torpateller, that's a tricky situation that not every team is going to feel comfortable

with that high in the draft. All right. Last one from this tier. Mikel Williams, the Georgia Edge, 65-265. I could see him going number eight to Carolina.

Wow. But this is, that's, this draft is very weird, man, because people are asking me all the time, like,

oh, like, what do you think about the Eagles of 32. I don't know what's happening. Tell me he was going to be there. Yeah, I don't know what's happening. And it's not. And it's not just me.

Like when you talk to people, they're like, yeah, like, it's just going to be a very different. The mock drafts this year are going to be a mess leading up. I feel like last year, we had a pretty good beat on the first five picks.

Like, all right, it's going to be one of two things that are going to happen. You know, you had, no one expected Michael Pennex to go, you know, that high to the Atlanta Falcons. But after that,

like, it was pretty much, like you kind of had an idea of, you know, general sense of how things were going to go this year. And it's not about, like, teams and players. It's about, like,

you get into a certain point and then it's just a grab bag like boggle you know put them all put them all into a hat shake them up and then you roll them out any any order you want and it's you can you could sell me on any different number combinations there you play in bongle a lot

not for a while you know what it was that it came up I was watching uh I'm finishing up I just finished up a rewatch of the Last of Us HBO and they they just brought a boggle on the show and it was like the second last episode last night last of us perfect example of the conversation we had last week

great series I think that's, I think that's probably, I don't need another season. So I know nothing about, because everyone's like, that says like season two. And Julia, I think you, you know the story, right? You played the game? Okay. Okay, so like, I haven't played the game. I know that everyone says that this story is like amazing and it's going to be great.

So I guess I'm excited for the ride. I enjoyed season one, but apparently season two is supposed to be like. Okay. I mean, I probably, this one I probably will watch. And I will get to Severance eventually. I just, it's like it's such a heavy lift. Oh, it's so good. Emotionally.

Man, it did not disappoint whatsoever. I believe you. You told the story. I got the story. Now we're just keeping the characters giving them something to do. No, it's about searching for that like one great story.

Like when they tell it, they tell it perfectly. Not every show is going to do it great, obviously, but. Close it out. Wrap it up. Wrap it up, B. I mean, what are you going to do? Have a show every single day? Come on.

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Gambling problem. Call 1-800 gambler. What games do you guys play in the Duffy household? Mario Party is the big one right now. Oh, okay. We love, we are, we are obsessed with Mario Party. So that's, that's been like a... All three of you?

All three of us, yeah. That's fun. Very competitive. Yeah, it's very fun. Who takes losses the worst? Probably me. So like, very early on, Francis was like, he was such a sore loser about it. And I like, very quickly, I was like, we are not playing this anymore.

going to be like this so like you're going to sharp you know sharpen up and now he's he's been much better about it um you on the other hand yeah yeah when i when i look you know what it is is it like if i if i start losing i get i just get i get mad at myself right uh and so it's just like i may can always say like you're you're getting annoyed aren't you and i'm like yeah like i'm just like we just get to the next game like let's go to the next many game uh but it's it's fun we have a lot of fun with it i like that how are you guys uh well we we play the Pokemon right game multiple times a day great game love it we start we we started I started getting Casey to play little chess this weekend that was fun I'm excited to teach Francis chess

but we play it we play all kinds of games we play like some of those collaborative games like max or what's the one with the ogre I forget the name we play a play a little labyrinth that's a fun one oh Labyrinth is one where like that is not how my brain works it's like very spatial and moving the things that one's a little bit tougher for me I don't think I've never done that one yeah it's good all right let's move on here

where are we tier five jahad Campbell local player local guy I haven't heard that yeah linebacker from Alabama I don't know if the Eagles are gonna use early pick on a linebacker after paying Zach Bond yeah that would be that would be my thing

I gotta move him down that list yeah I think he's on the list You probably have to move him down, especially he's coming off of the shoulder surgery now. That was just announced at the pro day. So that affects things a little bit, I would think. It's like, all right, are you going to spend that high of an asset on a position

that you already put all that money into? I think the fit is great, but I just, again, I don't love the pairing. If we got any chess heads in the chat or the comments, hit me up on chess time. I believe it's Wolf's Den at chess time. I'm always looking for a good game. I'm usually got about four or five games.

going on the time? Yeah, I don't think it was chess time, but I think you and I would play every once in a while, this was like years ago on one of the apps, and you would just kill me every single time, so I stopped playing. That's okay.

Room to grow? Yeah, well, me especially. Carson Schwessinger from UCLA. Hard to believe the Eagles are going to use a first-round picking a guy named Carson. Yeah, that's probably fair. I think he's off the board by the time you get to 64 overall.

Do you still need to put him on there? I think you probably still need to put him on there. on there, yeah. I think you keep them on the list, but yeah, that would be a tough one. Tell me about Jonas Sanker. Yeah, from Virginia. Safety. Sanka, you're dead, man.

You know, this... He doesn't say Mahn when he has that question. No. He says, Sanker, you're dead. And then Sanker, you're dead. And then Sanka says, no, Mon. Yes, Ma. A bad job by me. This fall, I feel like I saw like two or three different

Jalen Hertz lookalike contests. Hmm. Jonas Sanker will win multiple Jaila Hertz look-a-like contest. He bears a striking resemblance to the Eagle starting quarterback. So whereas everybody's making the jokes of trying to give the Eagles a bunch of Jailens, you think maybe the move here is just draft guys who look like Jailen-Harts. I mean, have you seen them? I think I have seen it.

It's not carbon copy, obviously. But, you know, after you guys are done watching the show and you guys are going to weigh in in the chat. There are, I would say, there's one here where I'm not. was standing in front of at the combine and I was like, oh my God, it looks just like Jayhurt. Well, he's got a bunch of different, he's had some different facial hairs and some different hairstyles throughout his career. But when, when he's committing to the Jalen Hertz bit, which is the goatee and the short hair, yeah, he looks just like. Yeah, like, if the Eagles draft of that, I think the social team will absolutely make that a thing. That's it. I think he's a starting

safety in the NFL. I think he's probably, he's pretty high up here on your list. Yeah, I mean, just because that's, you know, with how my board works in terms of like positional value and things like, I view him as a starting safety, and I think that that is a position that typically gets undervalued in big boards overall, just because in terms of what those guys get paid. And I think that he's a guy that profiles as a future starter. And you know, you check all the boxes with him. He's got matchup ability. He can play the run.

He's instinctive. He can play from depth. He can match up in the slot at times. He did more slot work at the senior bowl, and I thought he was fine there. But to me, he is more of a how the Eagles deploy their safeties, where it's play the deep part of the field. you're a top-down player, read it out, and make plays on the ball, that's what Sanker does well. So who would be more of, just this is two guys who are in a three-spot span here, who was more of an Eagles type safety, Jonas Sanger or Xavier Watts from Norderdame?

Nord-Dame. I think both makes sense. I think that Sanker, the reason why I have Sanker a little bit ahead of Watts, Watts is the better ball hawk, not as consistent as a run player. I don't think he's a liability in the run game, but I don't think he's as consistent as Sanker where a Sanker can still make plays in the ball, but he's a much more reliable tackler. Okay.

North Carolina running back on Marry and Hampton, I feel like we can probably have gone. Put to the side. And also they're not going to draft a first round run. Someone who you are higher on than consensus, and I think could, if he's there in round two, makes a lot of sense. Elijah Arroyo, a tight end from the U.

Game breaking, tight end, vertical threat, yards after catch. One year production. Was hurt for a couple years. So the injuries kind of took hold and then crept into the pre-draft process as well. He participated in the Senior Bowl, really good flashes down there in Mobile,

but between the Senior Bowl and the Combine, tweet, I think it was a hamstring or whatever it was, so he couldn't work out in Indianapolis, so we're still waiting on that. I didn't see Pro Day results from yesterday. I don't think that he worked out yesterday, but again, I usually don't, I usually wait to go through all Pro Day stuff

like a week or two from now. So I'll look at the Elijah Arroyo stuff, but yeah, you got to worry about the injuries, but when he's been healthy, when he was on the field this past year, I mean, he's an electric player at the position, and he checks the box in the run game. He's not a plus blocker, but, you know, does enough there. Jalen Walker?

Is he a linebacker? Is he an edge? Is he an option for the Eagles? I think he's probably off the board. He's the sense I'm getting. Yeah, I think he's almost certainly off the board by the time the Eagles are picking the 32. I think you're probably, especially considering the fact that they paid Zach

bond, I think you're safe and just remove moving him from the 100. Okay. And not even putting him on. That would be my feel. Tough titty. Is Dylan Walker. You're gone.

Alfred Collins. Big old fella. 65332. We're talking about a nose tackle. And I think this is an interesting conversation. Yes, I agree. I don't think it's going to be at the top of the draft. Yeah.

But does it make sense for the Eagles to draft a mid-round nose tackle to guard against the possibility of Jordan Davis leaving? Yeah. I think that when you look at Collins, he's definitely more in that. category of like, all right, he's your, he's a Jordan Davis replacement,

as opposed to a Milton Williams level of a replacement. I don't think he's that disruptive player. But when you look at Collins, yeah, he holds up really, really well. If you're not, if you don't think you're going to pay Jordan Davis,

not even kind of fifth year option, but even like say, like, all right, we're going to pay you that, that middle of road, like whatever the starting nose tackle type gets on the open market, which I have to look at what that number is.

You might say, all right, we can find that in the draft. Now, Collins probably goes a little bit earlier than where you would be willing to make that bet, right? If he goes, if it's a 64 overall. Right. You doing that? I think that's too early.

If you're thinking about it as a hedge for that. Yeah. But like Cam Jackson and Rock 5. Joshua Farmer from Florida State. Y.A. Black from Iowa. Jamari Caldwell from Oregon. This draft, we've talked about how deep defensive tackle is in this draft. Nose tackle, there are a lot of options as you get into like the middle round.

so guys they can come in and play that role. Okay. I think that is a thing that I would not be surprised if they do. Yeah, I think that's fair. Okay. Miles Frazier,

offensive lineman from LSU. Did you pass Emeka, Ibuka. No, I haven't gotten there yet. Oh, this is, maybe this is not, maybe you have made some adjustments. This is from two weeks ago. Yes, yes, yes, okay, that's what it is. So Miles Frazier.

Miles Frazier. I think that he makes some sense because he's a little bit of a bigger guard. I think he's got solid power. or he's not as physically imposing, but the bigger thing is that he has played and started at four of the five offensive line spots. He's played left and right.

He's played tackle and guard. Jeff Stoutland values that. And he goes in the area where Jack Driscoll went in the draft. Jack Jerskel was a fourth round pick or a late fourth round pick. I think you're looking at Frazier in a similar area of the draft. I do think that he's got starting ability. That's why he's higher on my board than elsewhere that you're going to see. But I think that, you know,

he certainly has that high floor as that swing back up. So on the PHL by draft show with Fraynduffie that we had last week when we were talking about the offensive outliers, some pretty glaringly negative numbers on Quinshot and Judkins from Ohio State. Did you, after the fact, drop him down your order at all?

He was 31 here two weeks ago as he, have you dropped him a bit? I didn't drop him after the show. I dropped him before the show. So yeah, I was after just going back and, you know, just getting out second feel, you know, because, you know, watch those guys back. I dropped him a little bit.

Actually, I think I dropped Caleb Johnson from Iowa a touch as well. How far did you drop him? Queen John. Yeah. I'll play a sec. He is currently 77. Whoa, that's a plummet. Well, you know, because of how it goes in my bucket.

So, like, he went down a bucket in the horizontal board. For a running back value. For the vertical board that dropped him down at least amount. Yeah, but that's like a 47 spot drop. But that's why that's why the horizontal. board is the bigger one for me. Because that, just it,

how do I explain this? So for... To you dummies, to you morons who couldn't possibly understand this. It's a more look in terms of like what my process is. For most people, say like, oh, like,

I'm just gonna tweak him a little bit. I'll just drop him like 10 spots. Like, I don't like I don't like them as much. I'm gonna drop him down. That's what a simpleton would do. It's more like, because mine is so strict with like the number,

it's, I just kind of follow what the number says. And it's like, all right, like, it goes into this bucket. that's where he goes. And I'm okay. Okay.

Yeah. Big drop though. One more safety, Kevin Winston Jr. From Penn State, of course, the son of Kevin Winston. I actually like this fit a lot. Interesting. Like around three? I think so, yeah.

Okay. So athleticism is fine. He's like, I would say an average athlete overall. We're not going to, we didn't get any athletic testing. He's coming off the ACL. He tore an ACL in September. Team captain as a junior. All the off-field reports are excellent with Kevin Winston, Jr.,

year. Big safety, six one and a half, 215, 215 pounds, really good length and wingspan. Extremely physical. Love his play personality coming downhill. He's a big hitter. Solid in coverage. Again, that's not like his plus plus area. He's more of a zone coverage defender

as opposed to like matching up and playing in coverage that way against tight ends. I think he can do it, but you like him more in zone. That fits for the Eagles. He has that physicality that they like. He has the character that they like. I kind of like this.

Okay. All right. I like that. Now, now this is one where, I don't know if it's, if you have adjusted it at all, but you got Kevin Winston Jr. here.

You got Lennon Jackson one below. I would imagine for the Eagles, that's a much different conversation. Like Lennon Jackson is going to be much higher on their board. See, like this is where the edge rusher conversation is very interesting. Because the way I view this edge rusher group, I think it's like a solid group. I'm not like in love with this edge rusher class overall.

where like, I feel like, you know, it kind of, the defensive end and defensive tackle groups kind of got put it together. It's like, oh, it's a great defensive line class. It's a really good eddresser group. But a lot of these guys, like, obviously you have Abdul Carter at the top.

I really, I've bought into Mikel Williams, as we talked about. I feel like I'm fine with him going high. After that, it's kind of like a grab bag. A lot of these guys, I think, are more like your number two types of edge rushes. Well, the people who were talking about, like Shamar Stewart, 61.

James Pierce Jr. You have at 71. Boom bus players. Donovan Azarika, you have an 83. I feel like in the Eagles 100, those players will be a little bit higher. And also Azaraku coming in for a visit today, reportedly with the Eagles. And we know that those really do matter for the Eagles. I like Landon Jackson's fit for the Eagles.

I like Azaraku's fit for the Eagles. And I think that it would just be a matter of understanding expectations. I don't think either guy personally, when I watch them, I don't know that either one is like a consistent, like double-digit sack guy type, which is what you would expect. If you're going to take a guy in the first round, I think that's the expectation more often than not

is that that's the level of player. I don't know that either guy is that personally. Does the makeup of the edge room right now, the kinds of players that Nolan Smith specifically is, but him and Jalek-Sunt and, you know, Aziz O'Jolari, who's on a one-year deal, specifically with Nolan Smith. Yep.

Does him being here change the kind of edge that you would want in an ideal fit? It's a good question. I honestly was going to ask you because I think that it is, it is, I think it is important to kind of think about, okay, well, if you have Nolan on one side, he's a certain kind of rusher, do you want to pair him with another, like, smaller type? Or do you want more of a Josh Sweat type on the other side? That might lean you more towards Landon Jackson than Donovan Azaraku. Zeraku is built more like Nolan.

He's not quite as athletic, not quite as powerful as what, we saw from Nolan at Georgia. So different kinds of players in my mind. But Landon is more similar to the Josh Sweat. I think of a profile standpoint makes more sense. Body type makes more sense. But I think it's a good question. Yeah, I don't know because, I mean, Nolan Smith is small, relatively speaking.

Yes. But he's not a finesse player. He's playing. I mean, obviously, he's a violent player. He's just as good against the run if not even better. He's violent there. Now maybe you're wondering about injury risk. And that's something where that's more of a,

I think you probably need to add to that room. Yep. But I don't, like, I think, I think sometimes we overstate this at wide receiver where, like, you get, you want different types of wide receivers. I don't think that that's necessarily the case. I think you want the best wide receiver you can get and you figure out the offense from there.

And because Nolan Smith can play both downs, I don't, I don't, or all three downs, I don't think that you need to match a specific type to him. I think that's fair. I think that when you're looking at it, it just comes down to, do you have enough guy? because we know that all the different multiple fronts that Vic Fangio wants to be able to deploy, right? You want to be able to play, you know, the positionless football getting into that category.

We want to be able to have guys that can drop in coverage. We want guys that be able to kick inside at times. So as long as you feel like, hey, you know what, we're losing Milton Williams. Do we have enough guys that can play over the tackle at times and then also kick inside? Is more Ojamma? Is he going to take over all of that work share or somebody else going to be able to kick inside for us? I think that those are the kind of conversations you're having over, of course, not just like in these draft meetings,

but when you're doing self-scouting and you're looking at the guys that are on the roster, you just kind of look and say, and you kind of do the math that way. Do we have enough to play the way that we want to be able to play? All right. Let's take a quick break, hear from some more sponsors, and then we'll be back to continue this conversation. Finances.

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We were eating dinner. I was like, so I've got two shows tomorrow. We're recording a bunch of YouTube videos in between And then we've got the three hour film session with the diehards tonight I'm not gonna be able to talk by the end of the night's over but good stuff It'll be fun you know start calling Chimar Stewart shamar Steven I hope not Man I can't believe I pulled that out of the other that's that's dirty dirty stuff Yeah, but anyway if you want to join the next one which we're gonna do after the draft and and Fran will get to watch and take you through the film of all

the players the Eagles actually end up drafting. That'll be a fantastic event. You can do that by becoming a diehard and checking it out. May 6th, 530 to 8 o'clock. There we go. Sounds good. All right, let's buzz through some of these guys quickly. You wanted to talk about a mecca, Eggbuka, the Ohio State wide receiver.

And I think someone who you think has not like superstar upside, but like plays a role. Yeah, the thing I was thinking about it the other day, too, with him, it's a little similar to Justin Jefferson. where it was like, all right, like, he's only a slot receiver. This is how he was used. Like, he's really technically proficient. And then he ran faster and expected because everyone thinks he's going to, like, run 4-4 or 4-3 at the Combar or at the Pro Day.

But he doesn't really play that way on film. We talked about him in The Outlier Show last week. He was very rarely targeted downfield. Everything was underneath over the middle, for the most part, with Egbuka. So it's a little bit of like, all right, is this how he was used? Or is this how he needs to be used moving forward? but very refined player. He plays through contact well.

He could be a high volume target. He was always just robin to someone else's Batman. They had somebody else always there in the wings. Obviously, Marvin Harrison Jr. before. They had the freshman phenom, Jeremiah Smith, who became that number one target for them this year. So Egbuka, solid player, but can he be more than that in the NFL? It sounds like he's going to go somewhere in the top 50.

That's probably, as we discussed, it's probably a little rich. but if he were to fall, could they, if he's there at 64 and he's the best player. Who do you think would be a better fit for what they want out of that position? A Mecca Agbuka or Matthew Golden? Well, Golden, I think is definitely going to be gone.

I think he's definitely gone just because when he ran 4-3 with, and that was not, that was unexpected. And with the other, with everything else he's got going for him, I think he's probably almost,

how about, let's say Isaiah Bond, who is not as productive, but is also offering elite speed. I think you're, I think you'd rather go at Buka. I think Bucca is a better player. It's not quite the Justin Jefferson Jalen Rager thing, but it's like, I think you're looking at Bucca is just a better player. How about Omar, you going to the mall later?

Omar Man Lott. Omar Norman Lott. Omar Norman Lott. He has the Milton Williams, Mora Ojima type of skill set. Yeah, this is kind of an interesting fit to me. Yeah, this is like explosive. Upfield rusher, really disruptive. All the efficiency metrics are really, really good.

The athletic metrics should be strong there. Went down to the senior ball. I thought he was solid down in Mobile. Just under 6-2, but 291 pounds, he's got good length. He's got huge hands. The big thing is, and this is the case with a lot of these Tennessee guys, that Tennessee defensive line was one of the best in college football. There's only a couple prospects this year,

but we're going to be hearing about Tennessee defensive linemen over the next couple of years. They were rotating those guys in and out, like full-on, hockey line changes, four guys at a time, in and out. So he only has four career starts. Start his career at Arizona State, then moved over to Tennessee for the last two seasons. But this guy has got real juice off the ball, extremely disruptive. Day 2 talent.

So, yeah, I mean, to me, if you're looking to kind of replenish those Milton Williams snaps, he's a similar kind of skill set. Okay. Do you think that's something that they would do at the top-ish? I think so. Yeah, I mean, like the same reasons why I would think, like, Walter Nolan would make sense at 32, I would say Omar Norman Lott at 64 would make sense for the same reasons.

J.T. Tuimoloow and Nick Scorton, who makes more sense for the Eagles, who's more of an Eagles type? I think you're trading down from round one for both guys. Right. I think this is like in that top, you know, the 40 to 45 range, something in that, you know, something like that. I've gone back and forth on both. I think both fit. I think that both have the required play personality. I think they, because you need to play

Vic Fangio, you need to play a certain way up front. What way? You can't be like what Bryce Huff was where you're a zero against the run. And I think both guys definitely check that box in terms of playing with that violence, you know, playing with that competitiveness at the point of attack.

They are both power rushers by trade. I think when you're looking at them, they're not going to be like the sexiest, like turn the corner, like bend the edge rushers. But I think when you look at those guys and it's slightly different profiles. Scorton led the Big Ten in Sacks in 2023 when he was at Purdue. Transfers down to Texas A&M puts on a bunch of weight because he was like,

I need to get better against the run. They're like, self-scouting. Texas Barbecue. Well, he was like, yeah, I'm going to go in. My goal as a junior, new school, I'm going to be better against the run. I'm going to prove that I'm a great three-down player. And he just didn't look great at 280 pounds. Like he wasn't moving as well.

The production suffered because of it. His sacks got cut in half. His hurries got cut in half. The metrics all dropped, like the pressure rates and all dropped. got back down to like 260 and it was like, yeah, like I'm probably going to play more like 265 in the NFL. So if you think you're getting the junior version of him, I think that you could get

a nice boom there, good value in the second round. With Toie Moloow, he is a player who has been just steady Eddie the last three years, former five-star kid, number one recruit coming out of high school. He's not, again, he's like Scorton, not going to be like that flashy bend the edge rusher, but he's not a bad athlete either. I mean, he was offered by the University of Oregon

to play basketball. coming out. He was a kid from Washington out west. He got offered a basketball scholarship to play there for the Ducks. So this is not a bad athlete, but he's 265. He can play in reverse. He can he'll drop. He had a diving interception against Penn State a couple years ago. He's a power rusher by trade. He knows where his bread is buttered. I just think he's a rock solid player. I just, but again, kind of going to what I said earlier, he's probably more of like a six, seven, eight sack guy as opposed to like 10, 11, 12 sack of year guy in the NFL. And how do James Pierce Jr. and Mike Green fit into the Vic Vanjo type conversation?

Pierce, Jr., I've got reservations there. I don't think that he is as good against the run as certainly as he is against the pass. I think he's more of like, I'm just going to run the corner as a pass rusher. I'm just going to run around you, and that's my goal. He's got traits for days, but everything is just, I'm going to run by you, which I think there are limitations there. I compared him to Vic Beasley. you know when Beezley was coming out of Clemson he was a top 10 pick with guys like that you might have a year where they might have 13 sacks and then they come back the next year and

they've got three and a half it's just it's not a sticky year to year when you're talking about overall past press production uh if you're going to be like that that style of rusher um with mike green he's a little bit more of a compact player he's very violent i do think he plays the right way I question whether or not the overall upside is there to be that consistent, like consistently productive, what he saw this past year at Marshall. He led the country in Saks

and was one of the leaders in TFLs. You liked what you saw there. Obviously, the off-field is something that teams are going to have to navigate, though, with Mike Green. Okay, fair enough. Talk about some big offensive linemen. Okay. Anthony Belton, who we talked about last week

when he brought him in for a visit, but also Kelvin Banks from Texas, a player who I think you are lower on than General Conval. consensus, those feel like Eagles guys and Cameron Williams as well from Texas? Yeah, I think Banks probably off the board, if we're being honest. I think that he's likely gone. True Jr., left tackle, three-year starter, really athletic, high character.

He needs to get stronger. He's not technically, he's not like technically proficient. If the Eagles were picking at 23, I would say, yeah, like, he's definitely on the board there for the Eagles. And I think you're having that conversation. He was a guy that was being regarded as a top five pick and a lot of mock drafts through the fall, but I just never quite saw that. And I think things have kind of evened out there in terms of what his projections are. But I think when you're looking at Kelvin Banks, he just needs to get a lot stronger.

And that's what's going to cause him to fall. But I think he's probably off the board by 32. Do you think that Josh Connerley, who is a little bit less sand in the pants, is not as much of a fit for the Eagles? No, because I think he's got some position versatility to potentially play guard. Actually, when I first watched him, and this is going back, like, early stages of the fall, he actually kind of reminded me a little bit of Driscoll in terms of the way that he was like built

and so I could see him as a fit but he's probably more of a round two type of player for them. Super Jack from Go Birds XTL who says what do you guys think how he's best draft class is? I think it's 2018

love the show I mean in 2019 you go five for five yeah right that's hard to beat yeah and with not great equity, right?

Dallas got it in the second. You hit on Avanti Maddox and Josh Sweat in the fourth. You get Maillada. Matt Pryor in the 6th is a very good pick. And then you get Jordan Milata in the seventh. Like, that's tough to beat. No, that's, I would say that's the best class. That's the benchmark.

That's where you want to try and hit. Obviously last year. Four out of five guys signed a second contract with the team. Right. I'm just trying to think back to it. Now there's also like, you know, there's a, you know, all of that aside, what's more valuable that or a franchise quarterback, you know, you bust with Jalen Reagan the first,

but you draft Jelan Hertz in the second round. Like that's like value their contracts. That's better. Sure. Also, 2013, you draft a future Hall of Famer and Lane Johnson and fourth overall. And then you get one of the franchise all-time leaders and catches in Zach Kurtz in the second round.

It's also a pretty good boom as well. Let's go through them real quick. Okay. So 2010 is his first draft, although this is, you know, it's kind of an Andy draft. Yeah, it's, but BG you get, and then this is, now this is one where, like, Howie announces himself to the NFL as, like, the draft day trader, and, like, it's all about pick volume,

and you know, those four fourth-round picks, but, you know, nobody else really worked. Riley Cooper turns out to be a productive fifth-round pick. Right. Everybody else, and that Kurt Coleman in the seventh is good. Right. But, yeah, I mean, you get BG, that's great, but other than that. 2011, this is the, I mean, this is one,

Watkins Jarrett, but this is post, this is the, you know, the draft comes before free agency, and so they're trying to fill holes, Danny Watkins, Jake, and Jared, it's not good. One of the worst drafts in team history. But you get Jason Kelsey and six. Now next draft, pretty good, 2012. Fletcher Cox, Michael Kendrick's, Vinnie Curry, Nick Foles. Add on Brandon Boykin and Dennis Kelly, like the very good draft. It's a very good class.

Yep. That's pretty good. That's tough to beat. Then, 2013, Lane Johnson and Zach Ertz. Benny Logan, a productive player. Jordan Poyer, but they let him go. Probably don't get credit for that if you let the guy go as a rookie. I think the drafter gets credit for it.

I don't know. He also let him go. Yeah, you get into the conversations about like decisions and, yeah, 53 and all that. 2014 is his last draft before the banishment. And it's because it's Marcus Smith and the first. And then Jordan Matthews, Josh Huff, Jalen Watkins, Bo Allen. Yeah.

I mean, the Marcus Smith one, that was just, that was just that, we've gone through that story. That's a tough. He misread, he misread the market.

2016, back. Carson Wentz, Isaac Siamalo, Wendell-Wood, Hallipollavati, Vaitai, Jalen Mills.

That's a pretty good draft overall. It's a very good draft. Overall. That's a good draft. Derek Barnett, Sidney Jones, Rasul Douglas, Mack Hollins.

Not a great draft. Not a great draft in 17. But you don't make it to the Super Bowl if you don't, You don't win the Super Bowl. You don't win the Super Bowl without those players. Goddard, Maddox, Sweat, Prior, Mila, Fantastic.

Dillard, Miles Sanders, J. J. J. Jarethago, Whiteside, Shereefiel, K. Raysley, Thorson, Thorson, Thorson, back-to-back, years with five picks. Yeah. And this was a pretty big swing and a miss. Bad draft. 2020, as we talked about.

Rager at the top. Jalen Hertz in the second. Daveon Taylor, Kavon Wallace, Driscoll, John Hightower, Sean Bradley, Quiz, Quiswackens, Prince Tago, Kasy, Too Hill. Yeah, your boy. You got a quarterback.

case dual. Devante, Landon Dickerson, Milton Williams, that's pretty good. It's a really good draft. I mean, yeah.

That's pretty darn good. Plus, Kenny Gainwell. Yeah. That's a really good draft. That's a really good draft. Jordan Davis, Cam Juergens,

Nekobo Deen, Grant Calcutera, Kairn Johnson. I feel like this was, it was right around that draft too where there was a little bit, and this is, you know,

Siriani comes in, but it's a new turn in terms of like, you talked about this with Zach the other day. in terms of like 30 visit strategy, like the types of players that they were bringing in. It's like, hey, like we're going to go

caring more about. Upside, high character, like guys that, you know, like it's not just about the upper that we want the high character to match a lot of these, a lot of the guys that were bringing in. And early on, I felt like that was because they were trying to rebuild a program. I think that's true.

Right. And I think you could probably argue that last year that's not necessarily what they did. They didn't overvalue that stuff. Right. They also, you know, the draft came to them in a certain way. Right. but you know Quinyon different kind of personality

smaller school Cooper dejean as well but like guys I mean when you're looking at them though like the football character like you know just down to business like I'm pretty sure like Quinyan Mitchell like one of the things was like he came in and it was like keep the main thing the main thing like when he came in on like oh he's 30 it's like all right like yeah this guy's he's a fit here yeah you know listen I think there's a chance that 2003 ends up competing for this crowd because you got Jalen Carter Nolan Smith

Keeley Ringo and a starting caliber quarterback in Tanner McKee plus more with Jemma Even though Steen and Sidney Brown may be a little bit underwhelming so far I mean if you get the best defensive player in football and the second best quarterback in football that's pretty good yeah I think that

I think when you're looking at that group that's that's a very strong group and then last year already looks pretty good Quinnian Cooper DeGine Jalick Suntz and then Will Shipley the earliest drafted renaback in Eagles franchise history right of course plus Dylan McMahon Who is more yours? Dylan McMahon or Casey Toohill? Who do you have more regret on?

Dylan McMahon is more mine because I liked him in the pre-draft process as well. Whereas Casey Two-Hill, to me, was less about the player and more about the process. Got it, okay. Yes. And Dylan McMahon was both the player and the process. Christian Ellis was the man in the process.

Yeah, I'll mean all of the above. And the religion. The man above. We will continue this conversation in Hoover time. Coming up next. You can check it out on all p.g.oI.com. We're not going to go through all these players, but tell me if there's anyone who jumps out to you

from the last 40 players or so in your top 100 as someone who you would move up for the Eagles, who makes more sense for the Eagles than the rest of the league. You know, Jalen Knoll, just looking at a wide receiver from Iowa State, just because we know the Iowa State connections there with Nixon-Saharania. Sure. Just looking through. High League Williams.

From Ohio State. Yeah, because he's got that defensive line versatility. He could answer two things potentially. Yep, that's a good one. You look at the Bowling Green, tight-in, Harold Fannin Jr. I played for Scott Leffler down there with the Falcons, out there with the Falcons. I'm not giving up hope on my guy Jackson Hawes,

the blocking tight end from Georgia Tech on the day three. Get out of here. Get out of town. Day three. Guys, he's 85 years old and hasn't caught a pass since 1983. Yeah, but you know what? He's going to block the shit out of that defensive end.

I mean, that's, and the Eagles are going to use their second round pick on that? No, he's a day three pick. They take him in the fifth round. I'm dancing here on set. Don't hold me to do that. Let's see.

Who else? Ozzie, Trapela. What a name. Six, eight. Yeah, he's a big tackle from BC. His dad, a former New Orleans Saints offense to tackle. He played for, played in the league for a bit. Ozzy.

Ozzy. You love it. Late insert into the bracket. Nah, too late. Too late. You like more an Ozzy or a Luther? Lou. I'm looking through the rest.

I mean, yeah, I think all these other guys. You like an. Ozzy OZZY like Ozzy Osbourne or an Ozzie like Ozzie Smith, OZZE. What is, hmm. I think the, I prefer the IE. I just because of Ozzy Smith. I'm seeing the backflips. It's, you know, defensive excellence.

Yeah. I kind of like, I mean, they just hired the, who's the assistant coach? They just hired from Georgia. They hired. Oh, Van Grutter. Yeah. So like, you know, again, it's like, all right, now you've got extra intel. Yeah.

The cohabitation matrix. Montgomery Van Grutter. All the, that's the thing about all the Georgia guys, you got to bring all that back into the fold here. Who's some of the other guys they bought in for visits? So Marcus Bo, the offensive line from Purdue. We've talked about why that makes sense. Oh, you know, one guy we haven't talked about,

this came out last night. SMU defensive end, Elijah Roberts. Oh, I didn't miss this. Yeah, he's coming in on a 30 visit. He was one of my favorite. players from the shrine really violent hands that's like the number one thing that stands about Elijah Roberts is like run game like jacks guys up on contact immediately not like a plus plus athlete but I think again you're talking like a

late round late round type of defensive end edge rusher I think that Roberts so I think of violent hands at the senior bowl there was one guy who's like you like blew me away with his violent hands to you have any guesses as to that would have been Perry on Winfrey no earlier than that Brooks Reed Arizona. Yeah. Man. Did not work out very well.

No. Yeah, he was like the ultimate, like Tommy Tryhard. Yeah, everybody was, boy, were those hands violent. It's good, it's a good point. Those are back in the days when you could, like, they did the O-line D-line one-on-ones like right in front of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fun.

Right. Yeah, we'll see if things change with the Senior Bowl. Oh, yeah, what's going on there? Who are they going to hire? That's a good question. Any rumors? No. None that I've, I mean, from that I haven't been like asking around.

I've been like here to the grindstone on that. But no, no word yet with Jim Nagy taking the general match job with the, with Oklahoma. Any chance that Galco would jump ship? No, I don't think so. I'm sure the senior ball would be interested. Just go with the success that he's had with the shrine. But what I mean, it's not like a fun job like to run like an all-star,

especially like the single ball. It's a pretty, it's a pretty tough gig. It's a lot of like, you know, shaking hands and getting money commitments and doing all that stuff behind the scenes. And then you got to deal with like the agents and all that stuff for players. That I think is like the easy part.

That's like the part that I think gives people the most Jews, you know, that are going for that role. But it's the fundraising part of it that's not as fun. Yeah. That's what the shrine bowl is a little bit different because it's all like, if you could make one change to the senior bowl,

what would it be? Access to players is just tough. For media? Yeah. Like me personally sitting here in this seat, like that would be the one change I would make. It's like right now, like the access I had eight years ago to players.

I mean, we could talk to, yeah, go down there and talk to 55 guys, 60 guys, you know, and feel good about it. Now,

I honestly don't even bother trying to talk to players down there. I did not talk to one player during my week. They did it. It was terrible. I didn't go this year, but last year, like they sequester them off

you get like five minutes they did a thing this year too where they had I don't know how many people they paid to do this literally like 20 there was like 20 people this long yellow rope and they just as the clock started ticking down they just

carry the rope and just shepherded everyone off of the field I'm like the serial is like strapped for cash like how much are you paying these security people to go and like carry this rope just just blow the horn and say you gotta get to the bus that's very funny very funny yes Superjet from Medillo, ahead of tonight's event.

This is a donation for Huntington's research. Oh, thank you. How about that? That's very nice. Yeah, that's... Gotta make sure that we appropriately put that money from one bucket to another. We'll let Vince know to make sure that that ends up there. But yeah, no, that's a foundation that's near and dear to me and to my family.

So no, I appreciate that. And that's where the proceeds from tonight are going to go. Yeah, proceeds from tonight are going to go to Hunting's Disease and to... to the research for, uh, it's a very significant donation. Very nice. Yeah, it's very nice. Thank you very much. I feel like you should ask a question or something. I know. How can we scratch your back? Yeah. You know? Uh, what else is going on for? I like, I like, I like to make overtime go 10 minutes or 15 minutes. So, you know, what do you want to talk about? Um, let's see. How's that, how's baby prepping going?

Baby prepping is good. Uh, you know what I feel like, I feel like, um, um, There is a, like an existential, like this is, you know, the clock is ticking down on our family being the four of us. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. So like when we're hanging out with the four of us, I'm feeling very much like it's never going to be like this again. Did you feel that way with Jane?

I'm sure that I did. It felt maybe it felt less, maybe it felt less pressing. I don't know. now there's two like real human beings you know i was going to say what's the the the age difference remind me between seven four and okay so it's well i guess three years to four years not that big of a jump but yeah i could see that that that would be a thing yeah um i mean we got we got a lot to do but yeah if the baby comes tomorrow we're we're ready to okay to do stuff you're on you're on week's watch not like month's watch at this point oh yeah we're we're less than a month away

Yeah, so that's the, yeah. That's fun, though. It's exciting. Yeah. What else? What else is you this weekend? This weekend, we, let's see. So we had, so Francis has softball, or his T-ball coming up.

And so we was like, we did a coaches meeting. That's right. Didn't you, like, you weren't even in the league? And then all of a sudden, now you're the commissioner. Commissioner, T-ball. Which I'm excited. It'll be fine. It'll be fun.

So I'm commissioner of T-ball. And then so then after we did the meetings, it was like field cleanup. So I told me. So France didn't come with me to meetings, but I went and picked him up. He helped me do field clean up. So that was fun. So we did that during the day Saturday. Are you feeling like the power get to your head a little bit and being the commissioner?

Like, you can put yourself in Roger Goodell's shoes? Yeah, we're going through. And I'm just waiting for my check to clear that Roger gets. No, it's not a big deal. It'll be good. So that starts next weekend for France. We're going away this weekend. So then next weekend, first game.

Okay. First practice. That's fun. Yeah, it'll be fun. What did you make? You're a plantin man. Did you have any thoughts on EJ's? Yeah, you got all the advice about the lawn care,

about the how to treat the grass. It's funny. So you mentioned the event at Temple on Friday. Yeah. I felt, I went to talk to E.J., because I hadn't talked. since I went on with Shield, Philly Special,

and I feel like every take I had about, like, the mailbag segments was, like, anti EJ. So, yeah, EJ has terrible takes on that show. I mean,

like, I went to while. I was like, I do what you know, he's like, one for 90. I, you know,

I didn't even get into, like, you know, you know, what time it is, like that kind of thing. Oh, man, there were some, uh,

some dozies there, but, uh, no, I mean, the E. E.J, um,

I do more, I don't do as much like the grass care. Like, you know, I care about the grass. I want to make sure the grass is healthy and everything. But I'm more into the, like the vegetable garden and doing all that stuff. You're trying to feed your family. Right. You're trying to provide sustenance.

Be a gatherer. Right. He's just, it's all about appearance for him. It's all about ego and appearance. It's all about ego for him. There's no, there's no purpose that he's serving. It's just, it's all window dressing. Yeah, exactly.

But I think when you're, um, I do agree with him when you talked about how it's like a, it's like a meditative exercise. For sure. Absolutely. And even shoveling, I actually agree with them.

It's a little bit more of a toll physically. Or at least it used to be like we don't get the snow that we used to that way. But I think when it's a bigger question. But yeah, I do agree that. It's definitely a meditative exercise. I enjoy mowing the lawn. And a couple,

I had a summer job the year between high school and college. at like a nature center where I would do some, you know, do some moan do some like, you know, clipping of trails. I mean, not the hardest I have ever worked in my life by a long shot.

But I like to, I like to mowing the grass. Yeah, I've been doing it since I was like, my dad like had me working outside, like in the yard like when I was in like fourth, fifth grade. Like, this is how you mow the lawn. Like, this is where you go with it. So I've been doing,

I've been mowing the lawn for forever. So I enjoy doing that. This is the time of year though. So Meg has, has like severe seasonal allergies. She can't be out. Like she's, she's like,

she doesn't do anything outside. But she likes how everything looks. You know, she's got to, so she's got to, like, so she'll go to like the flower show or she'll go out here

with a friend and come back with plants. And she'll be like, oh, like, it'll be like, it was, she did this a couple, a couple weekends ago.

It was like Saturday, 5.30. She comes home. I was in the yard for all, like, all afternoon. Me and France were, like,

cleaning stuff up, and like, I just wanted to, like, lay down. she comes home and she's like oh I've got seven plants in the trunk can you like go get them and put them in pots and stuff I'm like oh I'm like yeah and I'm like

do you know like because you know like you buy a plant not every plant it's created equal like you got to like some need full sun some need parts son some need you know you gotta like do things differently I'm like do you know like where you want to put these she's like oh I'm thinking they'll all going back I'm like yeah they can't go in the back they'll die in three weeks if you leave in the backyard so now we got find spots for them um she says it's that's how I know that it's the

women be shopping man It's that time of year when Meg comes home with plants that we have no home for. Now, women do be shopping. With these six plants that she bought, they are thriving.

We found nice plots for them in the house. They're all inside plants and they're all thriving right now. That's fine. Get another super chat donation from Joe Rockhead. Good luck tonight for Huntington's research. Thank you very much, Joe. Bracking it in.

I think this is important. This is good. Now, this is good twofold. One, we raise the money for a very good cause. Two, it's good that the more money we can bring in in the non-ZAC episodes, I feel like we'll make Zach feel real good. I'm sure he'll be watching. If he's not watching live now right now, right now.

Average super chat, you know, profit per show. I don't know. What else he got? I don't know. I feel like that was pretty good. Yeah, everybody agrees. Swim and B shopping. like it was like the packets of like different flowers and stuff so it's like oh like

can you lay these out i'm like yeah but like where do you where do you want them i just like oh like over there and i'm like well that those flowers won't they'll die there so we got like they got to go they got somewhere different like too much sun yeah some some some need partial sun some need full sun we don't have like too much with full sun because we've got big trees up front and in the back so like that's actually been one thing uh because we've got we've got like stone planters all around the outside of the house so like you know i got to fill those things up but because of inconsistent son it's like oh like only certain things can go in this you know this part of the house try trial and error uh medillo does have a question after his

generation donation any thoughts on t baddie or jalen conyers remember you you got me on jalen conyers early on yes um the with conyers uh Texas tech uh tight end athletic had a great workout at the combine I thought he looked really good at the shrine. Just really natural pass catcher. He's got like really fun usage. If you dive into his profile, he's played like played some quarterback. And he's in college.

He's like done a lot of different things for them. He's more of your move type. He's more, you know, the more of the athlete who's kind of in that Grand Calcutara mode. He's a different body type though. He's like you're, he's built more like your Tyree Jackson

and your Albert Oak, Wabonom. That's the way that he's built. But yeah, in terms of like a day three, past catching tight end. I think that he makes sense there. And then as far as Tyler Batty, he's the pass rusher

from BYU. Big, sturdy, pretty athletic, not like a high upside player, but really everything I've heard, like really high character, profiles more as a backup type of defensive end, edge rusher moving to the NFL.

Served a two-year LDS mission in Spain after high school, started a horse therapy non-profit Edwards hands with teammate Austin Riggs and the Girl Scouts of Utah. According to Chad Rotter. For Tyler Batty. Yeah.

Nice. He's an old. 24. Yeah. He's an old. But I thought he looked pretty good at the Shrine. Both guys read the Shrine Bowl. Yeah.

I like to Tyler Batty down there. I haven't done too much of his thing. You worry if he's got it all going on upstairs, you know. He says a little batty. That means he's a fan of Shield. Julia, do not laugh at that. It's not good. That was a terrible joke.

That was awful. Yeah, shout out to Mormons. We do respect Mormons. Zach is on the record. Shut out to Mormons. All right. That'll do it for this episode. The P.H.Y. E.G.S.

Thank you for joining us, Fran. Yeah. You've still got a lot more talking to do. Three more hours. More than that, actually. We'll start doing these videos for YouTube. I'm talking about on the all-PH-O-I YouTube page here in the coming weeks. Coming up soon.

So that'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast for Julia and Fran. I'm Bo. We thank you for watching and listening. We'll see you tomorrow. Could be a fun show. And as always, we love you.