PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - NFC East Draft: Analyzing the Eagles’ roster as we decide if Jalen Hurts is still top QB in division

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

Take a break from the Jim Bob Cooter and Matt Nagy discussion as we draft two teams from the NFC East to figure out how the roster stacks up against the Commanders, Cowboys and Giants. Dak Prescott vs. Jayden Daniels vs. Jalen Hurts. Who you got? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And welcome to the PHAY Eagles podcast live from the Xfinity Mobile Studio and presented by Bet365 and Ashley. Snowmageddon continues and we remain remote. Bo Wolf and E.J. Smith. Heavy show today. We're going to give you something to sink your teeth into as we continue to wait for the white smoke to clear, to come out of the Novacare Complex. We'll give you the latest on the offensive coordinator.

search. But the meat of the episode today, the NFC East draft. EJ and I are going to draft two rosters composed entirely of the players on the NFC East teams. And I think what we've decided here, EJ, is this is going to be as if you were playing the 2025 season over again. So if a guy gets hurt, you're going to take into account that he could get hurt, but maybe he won't get hurt. And like, is he going to get hurt because he's built that way? Or is it, was it a fluky injury, things like that? What would be the median performance level you would expect from those players from this past season? And then we can do this exercise again in the summer once everybody has gone through the draft and free agency and see how things have changed.

E.J., how you doing? I'm doing well. I'm excited for this exercise. You know, just to do the reach around and pat myself on the back here, does that affect my mic audio, by the way, when I do that? Just a little bit, yeah. Okay, good to know. you know, studying about my setup here. But, you know, this was my idea, you know, the all-division draft.

But I feel like you really brought it to life. So I think it was a good team effort. I mean, hey, that's what teamwork is all about, baby. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. People helping people. Yeah, no, I will be curious to see if we disagree on many of these. But now I'm looking forward to it. Okay.

It's good that we're not talking like only about the offensive coordinator. I know. And it does, it feels like we are, I thought yesterday was actually a very good conversation about it. But if we were going to do the whole show on that today, we'd be spitting our wheels a little bit, but we do have two important pieces of information that have changed since yesterday, EJ. Let's start with Joe Brady getting the Bills job, the head coaching job for the Bills. Everybody in Buffalo seems to be pretty upset by that. I think

Eagles fans would have loved Joe Brady as the offensive coordinator, but given the way that they trashed the coaching staff and then hired a person from the coaching staff, doesn't seem like they're running things super well in Buffalo. But there goes like the last guy. available who you would have thought was, okay, the Eagles would love to have this guy ready to go. Yeah, no, I think it is fair to say that there is no longer a home run hire on the board for the Eagles, you know, especially the other shoot-a-drop with Joe Brady being hired by the bills is that Brian Dayball is expected to take the Titans job unless he gets the Raiders head coaching job. So, you know, I know that there was some hope that Eagles fans, you know, from Eagles fans that

Brian Dayball would still end up being a candidate for the Eagles. It really does seem like the cast of candidates available that we expected, again, without any real home run hires, any splashy hires, I think that's what the Eagles are left with here. But with Daibol and Brady out of the picture, reportedly, we do have a new person in the picture. Always fun to get it. It's important that we keep adding new characters to this melodrama. And the newest guy is someone they're going to bring in to Philadelphia for a second interview after having interviewed him once before.

and this is someone who does not have play-calling experience. This is Sean Mannion, the Packers' quarterback's coach, obviously once upon a time. The Eagles dipped into these wells once before. Now, he is very inexperienced. 33 years old, one year on the job as the Packers' quarterbacks coach in 2025 was a lower-level assistant on that staff this season prior, which makes you wonder, you know, should it be more like Sean Boynion instead of Sean Mannion? I was going to go with the mystery mannion, as you put it, like, you know, bringing somebody that we don't know about.

Yeah, no, I like that. It's the guy who played in the league? Yes, yeah. Go ahead. No, I was going to say, I think the selling point with him is not necessarily his coaching experience. It's his experience as a backup quarterback in the NFL. He played for two seasons under Sean McVeigh with the Los Angeles Rams in 2017 and 2018. He was on the Vikings roster for two seasons in 2019 and 2021 under Kevin O'Connell.

And then, yeah, he's got the coaching experience with Matt LaFleur in Green Bay there where they cross paths in L.A. So, you know, I think it is a matter of he's got experience like being a part of different systems, even if it's not the coaching experience. It kind of reminds me of Josh McCown. But obviously what's unique about this is that Sean Mannion does not really have connections to the Eagles building. It really is just his understanding of a scheme that the Eagles have clearly shown a lot of interest in this coaching cycle. and really the last few coaching cycles. E.J. I'll give you $50. If you can name the player that Sean Mannion threw

his only NFL touchdown to. Oh, man. So it was probably with the Rams, if I had to guess. It was with the Vikings. It was with the Vikings. Now that I've given you that, I'm going to go, you're going to go down to $25. I mean, I'm still like, I got nothing here.

It's not Stefan Diggs, is it? It is not Stefan. on digs it is no there's no reason for this it's it's kj osborne oh yeah we could have been here all day i don't think it would have been a great uh great experience for the for the for the viewers out there for me to be guessing these viking receivers so if it is if it if it is sean mannion what would you make of that as the result of this process it's not it's not super dissimilar to what i said about deckland doyle where you're really going to be levered you're really counting on the eagle's ability to answer questions that we will have through the interview process.

And there are a lot of questions with him. I mean, he does not have play calling experience. Obviously, he doesn't even have experience as an OC being the person leading the room. So it's a big step. It's a huge jump to go from one year as a quarterback's coach to installing a system that is a pretty significant departure from what the Eagles have run and being the authority on it. So how does his voice command an offensive room? How can he install a system? What are his key philosophies?

These are all questions we don't have answers to. The Eagles will have an idea based off of these interviews. It was reported that he had a virtual interview. This is going to be his second interview in person now. There's a lot of projection with somebody like Sean Mannion. That's not to say it might not. It wouldn't work out. I think he's well thought of.

But again, it is just there's a lot of unknowns. It's crazy to think that, I mean, this is what, day 14 of the offensive coordinator search. It's crazy to think, you know, when we started talking about candidates, we said, like, don't invite variance with this hire. Find somebody who say find somebody who has play calling experience. We have gone completely the opposite direction at this point. Don't speak for me. I don't think I said. I don't think I said that.

Don't invite variance. Well, I still believe that it's not ideal to have someone that, you know, you totally disagree about having, you disagree. about having, you disagree that it's not ideal to not have someone that you would perceive to have at least a high floor. Like, I think that the floor is quite low with somebody like Sean Manning. You just don't know. So no, I agree that like, you know, it could be great. It's, you know, he has experience in great schemes, but I do think that this is, I don't know. It's like, I, I think that there's a little bit of a sentiment out there, like, that there's nothing wrong with the Eagles having search for an offensive coordinator for the last two weeks. And I don't disagree that the length of

the search at this point, there's nothing wrong with them taking their time at this point. But I think it's important to acknowledge, if you say that, that they found themselves here because they missed out on that first wave of candidates. They missed out on the top candidates. And now they are having to, you know, having to undergo a more exhaustive search to figure out who the right, right guys for the job. Now, they might still find somebody great. But I do think, like, I don't know, I'm a little bit like pouring cold water on this. idea like, oh, nothing to see here. Like the Eagles are just, you know, having an exhaustive search, you know, taking advantage of the marketplace of ideas, all the things we've talked about

for the last week and change. Like, it still is not ideal that they find themselves in this scenario. I think it's okay to say that without being like, you know, talk down to like, oh, like, this is just how this is this is this is not how they thought it was going to play out. Exactly. Which doesn't mean it's going to turn out badly. Right. And it doesn't mean that they're not going about it the right way. I think they are, I think this is good process for them. I would agree. If every step of the way has gone the way. it has, right? If you weren't able to land Mike McDaniel, okay, then plan B. If you're not able to land the guys that you wanted, and I think they probably did want Brian Dable, if you don't want

that guy, okay, now let's really cast a wide net because you don't, to the variance conversation, you don't want to lock in a guy who might have a higher floor, but probably has a lower ceiling and has done it before, but not particularly well. I think you do want to invite variance. And the comparison you have made to the Siriani head coaching search, I think is right. they are trying to now get ahead of it for a year. Sean Mannion is a guy who is not only not the play caller, he's not even the number two guy behind the play caller. It's LaFleur and then Adam Stenevich and then him.

So he's like three in the pecking order. It would be a total leap of faith, which doesn't mean it would be a bad hire. But I also, I do, the other thing I want to push back on is the idea from Eagles fans that, oh, they're making, it's not, they're making too much of this. that like people don't because it is it is there's a segment of the fan base that on the one hand is saying Nick Siriani is a is a moron and an a hole and and he doesn't have anything to do with

the eagle's success and on the other hand they're saying well why wouldn't anybody want this job what that of course that's crazy like maybe those things in your mind are related but yeah no I do I think it is a reflection of the organization that I think that it's just because Because it's gone on so long, everybody has gotten really hyperbolic about it. Like, you know, there are a lot of, like, both things can be true in this, in this offensive quarter. For sure. Yeah. So I'm curious to see how it plays out.

It's also worth noting, I think, on the Mannion front, because he is so new to coaching, really only two years as a coach. Yeah. I don't know that he has built up a stable of coaches he would bring with him for a staff. So that would be interesting to see how that plays out. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it would, it's, it's tough to get like too convicted in this one. I've got the list here of who's left, you know, in terms of people that the Eagles have interviewed or been linked to. Sure.

Tell me where Sean Mannion, where you, where you think he falls on this list. Jim Bob Cooter, Matt Nagy, Josh Grizzard, Sean Mannion, Frank Smith, and Gerard Johnson. It's funny because you are just going sight unseen completely on these guys. And I would say I would rather take the mystery box of either Sean Manion or Gerard Johnson than I would Cooter or Nagy. Yeah. Probably. I tend to agree.

It's Grizzar and then who's the other one? Frank Smith and Gerard Johnson. Yeah. I don't know. And that's where, okay. I need to get them in the room and I need to talk to them and find out what it is

they actually believe on offense. I think probably Frank Smith would be, he's been around long enough and hasn't gotten the opportunity that you might be a little bit more wary just on paper. I mean, this is purely speculative

without ever having talked to the guy or like really heard him talk. But I would, I think I would be more interested in the Mannion or the Gerard Johnson than, than like built in meh

yeah I think Grizzard is I would also I would also be interested in talking more to Grizzard I was going to say I think Grizzard might be the one that stands out to me I like am wondering if we've gotten too far in like the never Jim Bob Cooter argument at this point I mean for the sake of my

you know peace of mind on the show wouldn't be great if they hired him but I don't know I just it's not a it's not a splashy list at this point. You know, I think that that is the thing that stands out the most to me. Do you think we're going to, do you think we'll be here tomorrow and getting another new name? I mean, at this point, like, there's no reason for them to be in a rush. I think like it's interesting. I think Nate Shieldhouse has got head coaching buzz enough where that, that name might not be

popping up for the Eagles. But yeah, I don't know. It's just, I wouldn't shock me if there's another name to come out of this because I really do. I think they're just trying to figure out, like, who's going to blow us away in the interview to make it, like, oh, this was the guy all along. So I don't know. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I don't think we've gone too far at the, at the risk of coming across as as asexual.

I think I'm no Cooter. Absolutely not. Like I said, it wouldn't be great for me on this show if it's Jim Bob Cooter. Okay. Let's take our break here, hear from some sponsors on the other side. We get to the draft. E.J., before we get there, think about right now, do you want the first pick or the second pick that comes with the turn?

Are we going, we're not going position by position? What do you mean? No, you get to pick any position you want. Yeah, okay. I wasn't expecting that. I'll think about it. We should have talked about the mechanics here. I'll be ready. Okay. Stay tuned. Well, it used to never be ordinary at Bet365 until I messed up this ad rate for the very first time ever.

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Why don't you just do it for the listeners, you know, like so that they know. Sure, yeah. Let's make sure that the listeners know, let's make sure that they know what to expect here. So we have 12 positions on offense and defense, the obvious 10 on offense, and then you can have a little flex of wide receiver, tight end, fullback. Obviously, EJ might use his number one overall pick on Cam Latu, and then you get one extra spot, which could go, you know, you get to rotate. It could be anybody.

Same thing on defense, two edge, two defensive tackles, two linebackers, two corners, a nickel, two safeties, and then one extra flex position. We've got head coach, offensive coordinator, and defensive coordinator, and then one wild card spot, which can be something else entirely, whatever you want to use that on. And this is a way to look at the health of the rosters as we head into the offseason here. Now, E.J., you understand that you can pick. any position here. Yeah.

Okay. Would you like the first pick or would you like the two, three? And then after that, it'll go, it won't snake the whole time. It'll go one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. But anyway, I want the first pick. The man wants the first pick. I'm very curious to see what we go here because what is interesting about this exercise is there are certain positions where there's a lot of strength across the division.

Oh, one thing we got to clarify here. How are we handling Jalen Phillips, Quinn and Williams, the guys who were trade? I think you just get them for the whole season. So when I made my board here, which is really just my ideal team, I listed Quinn and Williams, I said I would have went with him if he had played a full season for the Cowboys. I feel like, because I'm going to knock. I think you get the whole season. This is too complicated otherwise. All right.

That's fair. And then with injured guys, we're not knocking them for missing time. Not necessarily. Well, a difference would be, Nicopi Dean, you do get, he's not available the first six weeks of the season. He was coming off of injury, right? All right. With Jaden Daniels, it might be, well, he might not suffer the same injuries, but he's still going to have that playing style. He's still built that way.

He very well might get injured again. All right. Good to know. All right. So with the first pick, I am taking Cooper to G. Oh, wow. Is that who you wanted? Is that actually, was that number one on your board?

I don't know if it would have been number one on my board, but if you had not taken him, I would have taken him on this turn, for sure. Now I feel like I know who you're taking, and I'm disappointed about it too. I felt like the drop off for Cooper, you know, he's one of the best nickels in the NFL, full stop. And I feel like the versatility that you get, maybe you can shoehorn him into another position. but really I'm drafting him to be my nickel to be a scheme-defining player in my defense. So I'm going to take Cooper de Gene off the board here, number one. And now I just know who you're going to take

in the next two picks and I'm upset about it. Well, no, you don't. I don't think you know. I do. Because I think there's a couple ways to go about this. I think you're assuming that I was going to take Quinyon and pair Quinyon with Cooper to Jean, which I very well may have done,

because there is not as much secondary depth here. Is there an obvious second corner? I don't know that I feel like that's too important. I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I am going to take Quinn on Mitchell. I think he's very clearly the top corner in the division. And you're talking about what you want here is an impact position and a position where there's a significant delta.

and then I'm going to go you know those guys aren't that bad though I think I probably would have gone Quinnian and Cooper yeah I think that's the right way to do it because there's a big drop off after both of those guys this is one where I this is not where I expected to go and it's not the most impact position

but I do think as I am you know what I'm not going to do that take that back take that back I'm taking Vic Fangio Oh, okay. Yeah, probably the right call. Yeah, I mean, you're gonna, you know, you've gotten, a bunch of guys who have gotten fired. Yeah, but say, who even am I going to? I think every single one of them lost their job. So, yeah, I'm going to take, I'm going to take Big Fanjo, and now I'm a little less worried about specific position filling on defense.

Okay, all right? I respect it. So now we're just going back and forth, right? Now we're just going back and forth. I feel like the two, three, you got good value for that, but that's okay. That's all right. Yeah, see, now I'm looking through, like, who do I really not want to miss out on? You know what? I'm going to take Zach Bonn. That was who I was going to take.

That was my other pick. I think, again, like, I'm trying to get difference makers, especially now that I'm not going to have. I'm going to have a bozo, a defensive coordinator, somebody who's coaching for their job. I feel like I need some guys who are really going to elevate the floor, a floor razor. and a ceiling raiser. So if you give me Zach Bonn and Cooper to Gene is two of my key cornerstones on defense, I feel pretty good about that.

Okay, okay, that's fair. All right, I am, man, injuries in all. How do we feel about offensive line and like position switches? I will allow that. I think if the guy has played the position in the league, it's okay to switch? But you can't just, you can't just, you know, theoretically say Jordan Milata left guard or something.

Exactly. Yeah. All right. So, so far, first four picks, all eagles. Yeah. Well, I don't know what that says about us. I'm going to take another eagle. I'm going to, injuries and all, I'm still taking Lane Johnson.

And I just think there's a, there's a, now there's good left tackles. The right tackles in the division are not very good unless you really love Josh Connerly. But I'm going to lock in Lane Johnson. Okay. Sounds good. Now I'm doing some research while also thinking about my next pick. So bear with me. No, Andrew Thomas did not play right tackle early in his career. I was hoping to get off on a technicality here. Let's see. It's funny because like... While you're thinking, let me tell the office.

audience that Fran, our beloved Fran, is at the Senior Bowl right now. And right now he's watching the first practice. I think practice is just getting underway the first day at the Senior Bowl. But if you are draft interested, we have a video up on the PHLY YouTube page and also should be appearing in your audio feed of like 15 minutes of just the offensive players at the senior ball who we think could interest the Eagles in the first two rounds or so. And obviously, we will continue to talk to Fran throughout the week and keep you updated there. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, it's a great plug.

I'm going to stick with defense here, and I'm going to take the first non-Eagle off the board. I'm going to take Brian Burns. New York Giants, Edge rusher, for those who made me aren't familiar. Edge is not as deep as defensive tackle, no doubt. Yeah, 16 and a half sacks last season, he made the Pro Bowl. I'm just going to start drafting just studs, difference makers on defense. and, you know, figure out offense in the latter rounds here. Okay.

In that case, I'm going to take the first wide receiver off the board. Okay. This is another loaded position, at least top four or five. Who are you going with? I'm taking CD Lamb. Wow. Cid Lamb, to me, is the best receiver in the division. No offense to the other guys.

I can also... I know that I can move them around, but I feel fine about CD Lamb. Okay. You know, I think I'm just going to keep, I'm going to build an identity here. Okay. No, no. I'm getting carried. I'm getting too excited about it.

I feel like a lot of these guys, we're starting to get to a point now where I feel like a lot of these guys, you would feel okay about your second choice there. I'm going to take Tyler Booker at right guard. Oh, man. Cowboys right guard. I'm just, I'm trying to, I'm looking through the board. like who do I really not want to have to replace here? And I think Tyler Booker is a good one to, you know, to make sure that we've got a solid interior offensive line building here.

Okay, fair enough. In that case, I am going to, I'm going to lock in who I think is the best left tackle and no offense to Jordan Milana, but I'm going to take Andrew Thomas. Okay. See, this is a sign that we are starting to get to a point where it's like, you know, there's probably two options you like. And because of that, I'm going with one of the few players, I think there's a real clear drop from one to two.

And that is Sequan Barclay. I knew you're going to do that. None of us has even considered a quarterback yet. Well, it's funny because I was going to say I didn't want to give away my strategy here. But I feel like the gap between the top three quarterbacks. You could build an offense with any of them, really. Sure.

But, yeah, again, the drop from Sequin, I felt like it was big enough that I needed to make that pick there. That's fine. No, there's no doubt. There's a huge drop off there. Who would even be your number two running back? Would it be Scataboo? It's either Scataboo or Giovante Williams, right?

I mean, it's not idea. Especially if you're not, like, he, his injury is not guaranteed in this exercise. I think you probably go Scataboo number two. Not trying to give you draft notes, but... Yeah. I'm going to try to make sure that I have the significantly better offensive line here. Yeah.

I'm going to take Tyler Smith, the Cavalry's left guard, who is certainly the best offensive line available. Okay. I respect it. Okay. I think it's probably time for me. to address, probably time for me to at least address the secondary, make sure that I'm not having total liabilities back there. I'm going to take, I'm worried this is going to be one where your eyebrows go up.

Like, there's not, I don't think there's a clear number two corner. Is this going to be Keely Ringo? No, definitely not. Come on. I'm taking Andrew Phillips. I mean, he was like fine this year. Okay. I don't, like, I don't know who your number two corner is. Well, now you're going to, now you could put him in the nickel and you could put Cooper

to June outside if you want, but. I could. Yeah. I think, I just, I think, yeah, interchangeable secondary is probably what I'm going for here. But I don't feel great about, I didn't feel great about any of the outside corners outside of Quignan. Okay. This is interesting the way this has played out.

There are other places I want to address, but I actually, I do want to make sure that I get one more guy in the secondary because I thought this is who you were going to take. I'm going to take Mike Santer still. Yeah. That would have been fun for me to have the interchangeable secondary if I had Sandor Still. But he was chaotic, man. When I was looking through his numbers today, it's like he gave 10 touchdowns this year.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not thrilled. Yeah, high variance there. All right. I think I'm going to wait into an area that you and I both have been avoiding because it's really deep. But if I want to build this elite defense with scheme changers, Give me Jordan Davis at the center of it. Really?

Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, Quinny Williams, Dexter Lawrence. Now hear me out. You just named a bunch of like game wreckers. I'm confident I'll get one of the game wreckers. I want the rock solid foundation piece next to them. I want the guy that's going to give me like everyday light boxes. We're going to be able to build this whole thing.

Jordan Davis is going to facilitate for one of those guys. I feel like as much. As fun as it sounds to be like, oh, Dexter Lawrence and Jalen Carter, like, I don't know. I feel like Jordan Davis is the foundation piece that you need there. Interesting. He played unbelievable this year. You got to remember. I know he did.

He was fantastic. But I think I... And Carter was injury prone this year, so you have to bake that in. Yeah, but I think the things that he does for you, Dexter Lawrence probably also. Dexter Lawrence and Carter, yeah, they're both the game wreckers. I needed one rock solid piece in the interior. All right. We're going to go to break in a second, but let me just quickly run down the rosters so far through seven rounds.

How do you keep track of this while doing this time? E.J. Sequin Barclay. Tyler Booker. That's it. Brian Burns, Jordan Davis, Zach Bonn, Drew Phillips, and Cooper Degene. Whereas I've got C.D. Lamb, Andrew Thomas, Tyler Smith, Lane Johnson, Quinnion, Mitchell, Mike Sanristill, and Uncle Vic. So there you go.

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Swipe, tap, ticket, go. Download the GameTime app today. Back on the PHLY Eagles podcast by Wolf and E.J. Smith. The NFC East draft continues. I'm up and I'm about to do something a little bit dirty to you, E.J. Oh, no, don't do that. No, don't. I know what you're going to do.

It's literally going to be my next pick. It's something that we actually discussed on the quick hit with Fran earlier today. I'm drafting Landon Dickerson, and he's my center. Oh, no, that's not what I thought you were going to do. Okay. Now I feel a lot better. And actually, I wonder if this is something that Eagles have considered is, again, I don't think they're going to move. on from Cam Jerkins. I don't. But if they were to do that, because if you were just getting

up to speed on this, they have a couple days at the beginning of the new league year where they could release him and they wouldn't be on the hook for the guaranteed money. I don't think they're going to do that. But if they think that he is physically broken and they are going to do that, you know, Lenny Dickerson's a good guard and he's being paid like one of the best guards in football, so you probably wouldn't do this. But they do at least have that flexibility where if you were to draft, if the draft board fell in a certain way where there's a great guard on the board who probably can't play center, you could play Lennon Dickerson at center. So anyway, we've seen him do it. I'm drafting Lennon Dickerson. And so now my offensive line is Andrew Thomas, Tyler

Smith, Lennon Dickerson, and Lane Johnson. Yeah, no, I mean, that is, what you did is unfair because now there are really no left guards I can feel amazing about. But I am relieved that you did not take Cliff Kingsbury off of the board. Oh, I could. E.J., I like to play the game, but I would never, I would never part. I would never break you and Cliff up. That's, that, you know, it would be like drafting your wife. Well, I appreciate that.

I'm taking Cliff off the board because I didn't feel great about, especially I'm, you know, my coach is going to have to compensate for some things here, you know, offensively, given the way that we went so defense heavy. So, yeah, no, give me Cliff King. Barry's going to he's going to scheme it up you know he's got sayquan he's got tyler booker we're off to a great start with cliff he's he's going to be asking me the same question he'd be asking the eagles like who who is going to be on this offense you want me to coach um all right i am going to i mean it's a tough call here because the all the best players are all at loaded

positions that are still loaded positions can't justify that i'm going to i'm going to i'm going I'm going to drop AJ Brown. Certainly not his best season. Maybe if he's got a different quarterback, I'll be happier and more productive. We'll see how that plays out. It is funny. I think both of us are both aware of the discourse

of having to draft a quarterback and maybe not doing it in part because of that, but I'm taking Agent Brown. Okay, that's fair. I'm a little worried that you're going to just box me out of the wide outs, but I'm also worried you're going to box me out of other positions, but I think I have to take George Pickens here.

Really? Over Devante? I want to make sure I don't get, I want to, I mean, George Pickens, I'll produce CD land this year. You know, it looked really good in that Cowboys offense. Maybe this is foreshadowing for some things that I've got set up later, but I think George Pickens would be a good, I want to make sure I have a decent receiving course. So I'm going to start with George Pickens here. Okay. Well, then there's no doubt that I am drafting Devante Smith here. So I've got CD Lamb, A.J. Brown and Devante Smith. It's great receiving core.

All right. Let's see. I am going, man, you really just cleared the board for offensive line here. Like, you did a good job prioritizing that position. Like, I don't feel good about really any of these guys. Like, how are we feeling about Tyler Geithen's positional for versatility? He only played one position as a rookie, right? But he played right tackle in college.

I think he might have played right this year. I'm fine if you want to put him at right tackle. Okay. You would take him over Josh Connerley? I haven't decided yet. I'm just, I'm looking through the board a little bit nervous here. You don't have a left tackle either. Yeah, but I feel better at Malata.

Yeah. Well, between Guyton and Milana, I mean, Milana could play on the right side. Yeah, Milana has played on the right. And you already have, but you already have your tackle, so it doesn't really behoove me to, to prioritize that. Yeah, you're right. It's like everybody, it's like really loaded everywhere. I'm just, I mean, in the spirit of like picking the game wreckers, I'll take Dexter Lawrence. Okay. Now you got the big, you got the big beefy guys up front, no doubt about that. Yeah.

Between Lawrence and Jordan Davis. Unfortunately, I do think you have given me an opportunity. to do something also sneaky. You were so much better at the strategy of, like, being annoying in this game, whereas, like, I'm just good at the spirit of, like, picking great players. Well, I'm going to take a great player. Okay. Who did get injured this year.

But I've got my offensive flex spot. I'm taking Malik neighbors. Okay. That's fine. I mean... So now you're... I mean, you got George Pickens and, you know... I mean, you're done with Whiteoutts now.

I'm done with whiteouts, but I got CD Lamb, AJ Brown, Devante Smith, and Malik neighbors. Yeah, but what are you going to run 14 personnel with Kevin Petulow? It's not even 14.0, 0,0, 1. Yeah. Well, now I can, I mean, now I can rotate guys. I mean, yeah, great. Congratulations on your rotation. AJ can spot off all he wants. You can, you know, I can, I can, I'm free to suspend him for half. I mean, you left me, Terry McLaren. I feel okay about it. I'll, I'll be fine there. I think we're probably at the point in the draft where Dallas Goddard becomes a viable choice here. I mean, there's decent options, but I'll take Goddard at tight end.

Okay. I'm certainly going to need it. All right. I will take the injury risk and the half season in order to get Nicoby Dean as my top linebacker. given the way he played this season. This one's easy for me. We're going five-man front. We are going to just muck it up.

We're going to be nasty in the interior. You got a good offensive line, but give me Jalen Carter. All right. He's your defensive flex. That's good. No, that's good. With Cooper to Gene, I mean, we need, we only need five guys in the box.

We'll be fine. I mean, that's what you should have done. That's what I did at Wider's. You should box me out there. That's good. And I force you to take my guy too. What do you mean? Morrow Jomo.

Why do I have to take Morrow? I mean, there's... Quinnon and Williams, Kenny Clark, Duran Payne, Ossa, Deguizua. Do I have to take Morrow? It is a good position group, but, yeah. See, even that is, I don't think, a huge difference. This is, you know, there's not a lot of places where we both need somebody and there's a huge difference.

I don't know here. I'm going to do because you can't take a defensive tackle now. There's nowhere for you to put him. Yeah, there's really no point in you drafting a deep tackle. All right. This is a weird move because he couldn't get on the field, but I'm taking Jahad Campbell as the next best linebacker. Are you going to play him at offball linebacker? Okay, yeah. The position that he plays, yes. Yeah, I know. I don't know why. I don't know why my mind just immediately went like

like you're going to put him an edge i don't know um i'm surprised you did that but it's fine with me yeah i am surprised i he would not have been the linebacker i picked what you want you want frankie louvo no bobby o karekay i won't tell you because okay we still have linebackers to take but you have you've got both of your linebacker spots filled right correct yeah i mean it doesn't behoove me to tell you um give me read blank and ship. Yeah. Yeah. I just want a solid safety. Not to say there's a huge drop off, but it doesn't make me feel great looking at the other names there.

Fair enough. All right. I don't, I don't, even the edge guys are all clumped together. Yeah, I don't care who you take at edge. I'll have something good. Yeah, I know. Are we really just not going to take a quarterback kit and nobody wants to do it? It's very on brand for us to not taking a quarterback yet. All right. I need for those keeping track,

I need a quarterback, running back, right guard, an entire defensive line, a nickel and two safeties, plus a defensive flex, head coach, offensive coordinator,

and wild card. E.J. needs a quarterback. Everybody on the offensive line except Tyler Booker. He needs two wide receivers or tight ends, a flex. He needs an edge,

a linebacker, a safety, a corner. and head coach DC Wildcard. I am going to go here. I mean, do I feel any level of confidence about that? Not really.

I guess I'm going to take Pulse and Adibo as the next corner. Yeah. Yeah. And then I play Samra still inside. Yeah. I mean, you're taking him off the board for me. I have another guy at that position

where it's like, yeah, fine. I literally put hold your, knows and pick dot dot dot of this player so um i like uh matt h in the chat says i should take abdul carter and play him at linebacker that would be fun i mean i don't hate it but it's not what i was planning on doing um yeah we are at a point now where all right fine i'll take the quarterback all right make your last pick and then we'll go to break i'm going to take deck press scott at quarterback. Wow. Boo him. Boo him in the chat. Boo. Lindsay, flash the numbers. Flash the numbers. You are not allowed to draft a starting quarterback as your backup quarterback. That's the other rule.

Okay. Yeah, that's fine. That's fair. Yeah, no, I mean, it's hard to argue against the production difference between these quarterbacks. If you look at the numbers here, DAC is pretty much superior in everything except for total touchdowns and touchdown to interception ratio because of the Eagles turnover reversion. And, you know, Jalen Hertz was careful with the football. He deserves credit for that. But if I'm going to try and build like a Cliff Kingsbury, you know, wide open passing game, I think I need wouldn't you want Jane Daniels for Cliff Kingsbury? I mean, Jane Daniels didn't have a good year. So I actually think you could make an argument for Jalen in that system, you know, a like quarterback run game centric system. But I just wanted the most productive quarterback I could get, which is why we go

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Back on the PHLY Eagles podcast, but we'll BJ Smith, the NFC East draft rolls on. despite E.J. spitting in the face of Eagles Nation. One spot where we don't, where we both have to fill is safety. No, I got Reed, but go on. Well, you have, but you still have to fill another safety spot. Oh, yes. Yeah. And I'm not going to, I'm not going to lie to you and tell you that I've crunched the tape on every single snap

of the three safeties that I have ranked together here. But I'm going to go ahead and take Javon Holland from the Giants. Yeah. who had a nice, nice paycheck, my maker, friend Duffy favorite, Kimmy of Javan Holland. Yeah, I appreciate you being honest about the safeties because, yeah, after Reed, I mean, even Reed included.

It's like, yeah, I mean, these guys are all kind of clumped together. I'm going to play the game theory a little bit here. You know, I'm not a game theoriesman like you and Danes. No, by the way, we haven't, we joked about a quarterback. And none of us has even considered head coach at any point yet. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I said what I said. By the way, please notice that I did not include Franon game theories,

I wanted to upset him. I wanted him to get upset about that. I'm going to take Jake Ferguson. I'm going to try and box you out of the productive tight ends. Oh, no. Oh, no. I can't get a Jake Ferguson at my tournament. My plans are ruined.

I'm foiled. I mean, listen, I'm going to try and be a heavy personnel team. Well, yeah, because you can't throw the ball. What do you mean? I can't throw the ball. All you got is George Pickens. Yeah. Your secondary has Quinyan.

That is pretty much it, though. So I feel okay about this. I got Pozlin-Dibo and Mike Samarstill and Javon. Yeah, Sanr's best safety football. Yeah. Not moving me. My secondary against your receiving court does have me a little worried. But, yeah, it'll be all right.

It should. You should be terrified of my receiving. You're not going to have time to throw the ball. Yes, I will. I have a great offensive line. What are you talking about? Not better than my defensive line. But my defensive line is going to be way there than your offensive line,

because the defensive line is so deep and the offensive line is not. And you're going to be having a trash offensive line. You've lost, but it's fine. We'll continue the exercise. I feel good about my team. Okay. All right. So let's see.

Quarterback, running back, since you've filled your offensive line thing, there's not a lot of spots where both of us can draft somebody. buddy. Oh no, because you have Ferguson as your second intent and not your flex. So you do have another spot. So I can't quite say that that can just go ahead and draft. All right. So in that case, give me Donovan Wilson as my second safety next to Javon Holland. Yeah, I was hoping you didn't take Donovan Wilson. Yeah, no. That, oh man. Yeah, who even do we have left like that we're both up for? well edge

save i mean because i could draft another safety it could be my flex uh linebacker same thing head coach wildcard everything on out yeah go ahead get me give me andrew macuba okay i mean turnover turnover variance at the very least i mean i'm not saying i feel amazing about it there's is that that might be one of the picks where like if you're a Cowboys fan watching this. You're like, I can't believe they took Macuba.

Like, you know. For Mully Cooker? Like, yeah. But I don't know. It's kind of a wash. Okay. I think that's fine. All right. I think there are lots of ways to go at Edge. We both need Edge. I think there are one, two, three, four, five reasonable places to go. But I am going to, I'm going to take this swing on the most talented player. I will take Abdul Carter and make him my first edge. Okay.

I'm going to target the wild card here. And I'm going to go with Jeffrey Lorry. Oh, interesting. What a sequest thing to do for a reporter? No. You bootlicker. No, it has much less to do with Jeffrey Lorry and a lot more to do with every other owner in the division.

Well, yeah, but... If we had two more wildcards, I'd try and box you into drafting John. Harris just for just for fun but yeah that's terrible but the I understand I think the I think if this were you're building a franchise and moving forward that would be a very good pick yeah I think in the in the exercise as framed of this is just about the 2025 season I think the one year difference you're not getting what you what what difference making you want from Jeffrey Larry yeah I want to look at my team and feel good about top to bottom here and I

think Jeffrey Lorry is, because although are you going to, you're not going to go with an owner here. So you just are going to be leaderless in this spot. Maybe this is a lesson for you. Who needs leadership? You don't need leaderless. What do you mean leaderless? You need someone. You need someone to put the whole organization in the right direction.

You just won the NFC championship. Let's bring the owner on stage. Get the hell out of here. I stand on it. I feel good about it. That's fine. All right, I'm taking... No, I'm not going to do that.

Do I need to do that? All right. I'm going to take another edge. And I'm between two guys, but... Probably two on between. No, I am. I get it. I'm going to take Jail and Phillips.

Yeah, okay. When you get the injury history, I'm probably going to... I'm probably going to... have another back. I've got two injured guys and Jalen Phillips and Nikobe Dean, but I think I feel, I feel like he's probably the proper pick there. Okay. Um, who was the other guy you were between? Well, there's two. I was, I was between three. I'm going to go with Jalickson. I'm hoping he was part of the tree, the three months. He was. He was who I almost took. I put my money where my mouth

is. Jaylick saw that I mean, especially if you include like the sim pressure interceptions that we saw from him, there's, there's real value there. I mean, he had a, he had a really good season. So just man, five-man front of Brian Burns, Jalix Hunt, Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, and Dexter Lawrence. I mean, my God. What do you mean? My God. That is just beautiful right there. Fine. All right. There are not a lot of places where I can draft someone that you can't. Yeah, I think we can start rapid firing these. Except for, because you still have a flex on offense. Yeah. So you could, if you really wanted to, you could draft a. another tight end and go 13 personnel and fully lean into the EJ bit.

So you know what? I'm bringing him back, baby. Give him to me. I know he got hurt. Give me Zach hurts. Okay. I respect it. I can start being quick with some of these.

I think he can go. There's only one spot. There is only one spot left, E.J. Although, I guess, I guess, corner or linebacker, because I could take that as my flex. but the one, the only thing we, neither of us has filled at all, you want to talk about leaderless? Head coach. Head coach. I feel, I feel fine about, I feel fine about that.

Okay. Let's see. Give me, give me Terry McLaren. Okay. Time to start filling out some of these spots. Okay. All right, let's just, yeah, let's go through it. I will, I will make, I will make my selection here.

I will do it. I'm taking Brian Deh, I'm just kidding. Give me Nick Siriani. Of course. In a division with Dan Quinn and Brian Schottnheimer and Brian Daibald, of course. I already know he can work with Vic. I already know he can lead men. He's got the best winning percentage of any person alive.

Of course I'm taking Nick Siriani. Okay. Very, very good. I agree that he's the first one on the board. I mean, I actually... You want to just go through and fill it out? out now? Well, no, give me a shot inheimer just so we can fill it out. I think he's number two. Yeah, now we can go rapid fire through some of it. I'm going to take Debo Samuel at Whiteout.

Okay. Maybe we can get something out of him for a year. Who are your offensive line, but you need a left tackle, left guard, center, and right tackle? My lot of left tackle. Yeah. I don't feel great about any of these. Give me some time to pick my left guard. You want Tyler Guyton at right tackle? Is that the idea? Tyler Guyton at right tackle. Okay. You really boxed me out.

What's that? Are you going to take Jurgens? I wasn't going to. I mean, I guess, is there a chance he's healthier, and that makes him play better? No. Then. Because he's still recovering from whatever he was recovering from. I mean, right?

I mean, maybe this is outlandish, but give me Tyler Biotish. Okay. And then left guard. I mean, yikes, you really boxed me out. There's not, I mean, yeah, because you took Landon at center. I mean, that really. Yeah. You do have three Tyler's on your offensive line.

That's exciting. I mean, it's just the Cowboys. Give me Chris Paul. Oh, go deep. Yeah, I don't feel amazing about it. Okay. Linebacker, right? Linebacker, unless I want to use a pick on a linebacker,

do I want to do that with Nicoby Dean, or do I just take, Yeah, I'm not going to do that I would rather have the defensive line help So go ahead and take your linebacker Bobby Wagner Okay And who's your defensive coordinator? Wait, no, I have another corner, don't I?

Oh yes, another corner I literally am going to hold my nose when I say it Duran Blad Like maybe Yeah Just some variance there And then defensive coordinator Find out who is defensive coordinator is going to be

in overtime. Was I close, Lindsay? She'll have to let us know in the chat. I don't think she can talk. I guess I'm taking... I can't take... Nah, I'm going to have to take Matt Eberflus.

I mean, it's like, it's a big drop from Vic Fangio to Eberflus, but with that defense, he'll be fine. Make it look the same. That's all he's got to do. Okay. All right, I'm taking Jalen Hertz as my quarterback. I'm taking Cam Scataboo as my running back. I'm taking Sam Cosmy as my right guard.

I'm taking Quinn and Williams and... Duran Payne, Morrow Ojima, or Oso Deguizua? Or Kenny Clark. It's so loaded. I'm going to go... He's just a... Ron Payne's a loser. Did he do a, did he,

one sec? What are you researching right now? All right, I'll take, he stinks though. He's just, he's, he's a loser. I was going to say this is great podcast, but actually kind of is, he just,

he stinks though, he's a loser. He's just the worst. I'm going to take, oh, so, Diggy Zua. as my other defensive tackle my flex is going to be

Kavon Tibido my offensive coordinator is going to be Clayton Adams okay and my wild card the drop off from OC was not as big as DC that was good work by you and my wild card

this is a tough call I'm between two choices here and oh no what just happened what happened you're not gone what just happened your camera just went out I was like uh start my video what just you are hello can you see me I can't see the thing anymore we can see here we go oh great okay there we go uh it's this slide thing all right I'm taking uh I was considering Tanner McKee to lock in the best backup quarterback from the division but I'm gonna I'm go ahead and actually just take Brandon Aubrey. Yeah, you know, I was actually annoyed you didn't have kicker on here because I was going to try

and prioritize that. But no, it's a good one. So, here we go, as we have made it through. I'm going to give you E.J.'s offense against my defense first, and then we'll do with a split. On offense for E.J. Smith, coached by Brian Schottenheimer and Cliff Kingsbury. He's got Dak Prescott, Sequin Barkley, George Pickens, Dallas Goddard, Jake Ferguson, Debo Samuel and Terry McClorin,

and an offensive line of Jordan Milana, Chris Paul, Tyler Beattish, Tyler Booker, and Tyler Guyton, going up a defense, going up against a dominant defense because Vic Fangio is coaching them. Of Jalen Phillips, Quinn and Williams, Osa O'Digizua,

Abdul-Carter, and Kavon-Tibon-Tibato up front, Nekobo Dean and Jihad Campbell at linebacker, and Quinion Mitchell, Mike Santer, still a pulse and adiebo, Javon Holland, and Donovan Wilson in the secondary. It's Vic. We're going to be fine. On the other side of the ball, boy is E.J.'s defense in trouble. He's got Brian Burns, Jordan Davis, Dexter Lawrence, Jalen Carter, and Jailix Hunt up front. Good group in the middle, but will they be able to make hay against his offensive line? Absolutely.

Bobby Wagner, the corpse of Bobby Wagner playing alongside Zach Bonn. Drew Phillips, Cooper de Jeanne, Duran Bland, Reed Blankenship, and Drew McCuba in the secondary, up against the greatest assembly of offensive talent ever seen in this great football game of ours. Jalen Hertz, Cam Scadaboo, Cady Lamb, A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, and Malik neighbors. Plus, Zach Ertz, and an offensive line of greatness. Andrew Thomas, Tyler Smith, Lynd and Dickerson at center, Sam Cosmey, and Lane Johnson, coached by Nick Siriani and Clayton Adams, and all they got to do is make it to the 30-yard line

because Brandon Arbery is going to knock home some 70-yard field goals. Beautiful. Love the coaching staff. This is great. I feel fine. I feel good about my team. I feel really good about my team, actually. Let me tell you why.

I've won drafts by more, but I still won. The right side of your interior offensive line. And you don't know if Lane Johnson is going to play the full season. So really the right side of your offensive line, I feel amazing. We're going to have Jalen Carter, we have Dexter Lawrence, and we're going to have Jaylen Phillips. Against Sam Cosmy and Lane Johnson?

What are you talking about? We're going to have Brian Burns, Jordan Davis. The whole group, we'll just NASCAR package them over there. Has Brian Burns ever been on a winning team in his life? He had 16.5 sacks last year, man. You can't just hand-wave that. He might have never played for a winning team in the NFL. And really, it's,

It's not the edge rushes. The edge rushes are great. But that interior defensive line, man. Yeah, listen, your interior defensive line is great. So is mine. The interior defensive line is a lot less. Yours is a lot more fragile. It's fantastic.

Your interior offensive line is not playing a full season. And you know it. What are you talking about? You have injury prone guys over there. You got Landon Dickerson at center and you got Lane Johnson. Landon Dickerson almost played the whole year. Yeah, but he was hurt the whole year. He struggled.

Yeah, but at center, it's going to be fixed. Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, him and Jordan Davis would be a good battle. It's very funny. Dexter Lawrence or Jalen Carter against Sam Cosme? You feel good about that? I do. Yeah. I don't believe you.

I mean, they got to protect for a second and a half, given my wide receiver talent. You have a good, I mean, your wide receiving core is what you're going to have to build it up, build it on. But you're going to be, as Kevin Patullo would say, you're going to be in a lot of third and long. You know, you're not going to be in third and manageable. No, I'm not. not with my not with my play calling she'll be chucking it deep every you got nick serriani is your head coach yeah but but cleton adams has been granted autonomy no no no that's that's why you needed geoffrey lorry as the owner you don't have you got josh harris saying whatever the head coach no i don't

i don't have i don't have josh harris in my owner i have just a you got no nick syriani is your senior most member of the organization that's not true it's jalen her his organization as far as I'm concerned. That doesn't help you that much. Vic Fangio is the senior member of my organization. You just undid this whole thing. You have Jalen Hertz and Nick Siriani. And you're leading on your passing game.

Oh, man. I feel amazing. I feel amazing about it. Listen, there's a reason that the Cowboys denied the Eagles their request to interview Clayton Adams because they know he's the key day. Everything. You said he has full autonomy. I feel like I won.

Just off of that. No, please. I feel like I won. Yeah. Brian Schottenheimer is really going to get. Brian Schottenheimer and Matt Iberfluse. Another another organization where another marriage where it lasted a year. If you were on my side, would you have gone Dan Quinn just to like try and bring the defense up a little bit?

Like you know Cliff is going to be fine on all. offense. Probably so. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably where you lost, yeah. I think I just identified where you lost. All right.

Make sure you hit the like button, everybody. Tell us why you think I won. And what to score, how many points I would win by in this theoretical matchup. We'll be back tomorrow at 2 o'clock. E.J., how was the reunion with the misses? You're no longer in squalor. It was good. It was good to have Julia back.

I said before the show, I felt like, whole again, you know. I enjoyed my bachelor's, it was fun, you know, like the independence, the freedom. Julia is convinced I wouldn't survive more than like two weeks without her based off of like me recapping some of the meals that I had while she was gone. I said I was eating like I was a college kid, but no, it's good to have her back. Yeah. How soon before you left to go to the airport did you finally do the dishes? Oh, that's a good question. I did them like an hour before the show. So you really did save it for the very end.

I mean, it's just like, I don't know what it is. I just, I don't care about a sink full of dishes, but it bothers my wife. So make sure that they're clean when she gets back. That's all that matters. There you go. All right. Thank you, everybody. Stay tuned in case there are further developments regarding the Eagles

Offensive Coordinator Search. We will be with you otherwise tomorrow, 2 o'clock. Still snowed in. And so, join. us. Thanks to Cheryl Parker for not doing a damn thing to fix the roads in the city of Philadelphia. We appreciate it.

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