PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - NFL Crybabies whine about Philadelphia Eagles’ tush push, ask Roger Goodell for diaper change

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

The big, strong, powerful Philadelphia Eagles should not be allowed to bully other teams on the football field! So says Mark Murphy of the Green Bay Packers and Raheem Morris of the Atlanta Falcons as they make a big, dirty mess of their diapers in Indianapolis while Howie Roseman and Nick Sirianni puff out their chests as reigning Super Bowl champs.Zach Berman is live on the scene in Indianapolis where he hears from both Roseman and Sirianni so he can join Bo Wulf and Jamie Lynch midway through today’s show. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the P.H.O.I. Eagles show on a nice, what is it? Tuesday? It's a Tuesday. It's glorious. Bo Wolf, Jamie Lynch in studio. We are going to hear from Zach Berman in a little bit. Right now, he's sidling up at the combine next to Howie Roseman in about 15 minutes. It'll be Nick Siriani. We know he's going to be asking good questions. We know he's going to be taking notes. He's going to fill us in on all of that. All right, Jamie, how you doing? I'm good. It's a glorious fake. Spring week ahead of us here where we get teased into thinking. Oh, is it going to be cold again next week? Sunday, it's going down to the 30s. But at least Saturday we get, you know, as dad's a nice 60-degree day.

Okay. All right. So we can get some outdoor activity. I'll take that. I'll take that. I mean, it's bad, but it's not as bad as it was like last week. Yeah. The wind is what kills you.

Okay. Now you are the foremost, uh, Zach Berman. It's not the heat. It's the humidity that'll get you. Who knows Zach better? You or Emily at this point. I think in different ways. What ways would those be, though?

We know him differently. What is on Zach's mind here as he is awaiting, I'm sure, a late Howie Roseman, because that's what they do. What's he pushing? What's he asking first here to Howie? Since you speak Zach so well. I think one of the things we discussed yesterday is something that he will ask Howie about, which is like how is this one different than the last one? Okay. Like, has it changed the way you approach the offseason any more than the first one might have?

Just sort of getting into the mind of Hallie Roseman. I think that'll be one of them. Bond will be a big topic. I'm sure Miles Garrett will be a question. These ones are these, in particular, the Combine press conferences do tend to be like the most full of BS. Yeah, sure, because you don't want to tip any hands of the offseason being played. Yeah, and it's like actively lying. There's a good one, I think, from Nick Foles in 2018, something like that.

But yeah, but, you know, Zach can read a room. I'm interested here what he has to say. Yeah, I'm really interested in the direction he takes it. I don't, like, as you said, I don't think there's a ton interesting that how he's going to say today, but hopefully they can draw it out of them. I think it'll be fun either way. Meanwhile, Jamie, let's talk about some of the cry babies. the NFL and a great job by

handsome rich in the newsletter today to dig up the Mark Murphy mailbag when he writes out his complaints about the tush push. Now, if you are just catching up on this, the Packers proposed to the league

a rule proposal to eliminate the pushing of the quarterback or of the ball carrier. Now usually I do think that this is like Eagles fans should not be particularly worried about this. usually the rule proposals from teams are unlikely to be passed. However, Rahim Morris, the head coach of the Falcons, joined the fray today at the combine.

Anyway, here's what Mark Murphy had to say in his mailbag. I mean, you know how I feel about mailbags. I am not a fan of this play. There is no skill involved, and it is almost an automatic first down on plays of a yard or less. fewer mark a yard or fewer the series of plays with the commanders jumping off sides in the NFC championship game

to try to stop the play was ridiculous the referee even threatened to give the Eagles an automatic touchdown if the commanders did not stop it I would like to see the league prohibit pushing or aiding the runner on this play there used to be a rule prohibiting this, but it is no longer enforced because I believe it was thought to be too hard for the officials to see. The play is bad for the game and we should go back to prohibiting the push

of the runner. This would bring back the traditional QB sneak. That worked pretty well for Bart Starr and the Packers in the Ice Bowl. I mean, what a loser. It's, I mean, the fact that he had to invoke Bart Star. Yeah, I mean, this is like, you know, make quarterback sneak again. Give me a break. I mean, you couldn't really have aged yourself anymore. It's so pathetic.

If I was a Packers fan, I would be thoroughly embarrassed to support my team. And I know the Eagles are too big and strong and tough. This is not fair. Yeah, it's really a pathetic, embarrassing look for the Packers. And I don't think you can really defend it, right? Like, if you're a supporter of the team, if you own a stock certificate that's, you can't support this. Yeah, I don't know how you like, you know, you're a football guy. You're like, you're a, you are, I am a man.

I'm on the frozen tundra. And you are so pathetic that like you're just accepting defeat and whining about it. It's so pathetic. And I also like, I mean, The one of the stupidest things in the argument about this, which we have talked about now for like three years, there is no skill involved. It is so ridiculous.

If that was the case, why doesn't every team run it? Like, you know, this is like a very, it's very easy to disprove. The Eagles are good at it. It's not their fault. It's allowed. Now, I, there is an argument that like the pushing of the runner should not be allowed.

And like, that is, I am open to. that argument because that used to be the rule, but like, I'm not a fan of this play. There's no skill involved. It's just, it's such loser, loser stuff. Yeah, it's, uh, it's pretty bad. It just plays into like this, this mythology of this Eagles team, like this team that has been over the course of the season, like the bullies, you know, their defense was like that. Their defense was beating up everybody. Um, this is like part of the thing we talked about in the playoff run. They were the meanest team on the field in every game. And now on offense, you're giving them like, oh, well, they're just pushing us around too

much. And the idea that you see from commanders, people have like, well, what was Frankie Louvre supposed to do? Like, we can't have a game like this when he keeps doing that. That's his problem. He's being a loser. Yeah. I mean, in the screenshots of Chris Jones lining up sideways to try and stop it in the Super Bowl are very funny. I unfortunately think that commander's sequence of plays there could be the thing that kind of tips the scales a little bit, just because the public, you know, outcry about it and like having to reward it. You know, out of the league. I hope it doesn't happen.

The GM, the Packers GM was asked about it today at his press conference. And he said, yeah, like, even he was kind of like, we haven't really discussed it internally. I know what was said. But even he was kind of like, eh, like, I don't want to touch this topic. Because it's, because it's frankly embarrassing. It's pathetic. It's like. And he was on the hogs teams of like back in the day, right?

When like it was a man's man's, man's football league and all that. It's so pathetic. And like you're just coming out here because Jordan Love has feeble little chicken legs and can't get through like a push. Part of the reason the Eagles are good at it is because Jalen Hertz is a freakishly strong quarterback and they draft and develop freakishly strong and athletic offensive linemen. Yeah, I also like there is a funny, there is a funny inevitability, which is that, let's say they ban it,

and the Eagles are still just the best team in the league of quarterback sneaks. So you just go back to traditional quarterback sneaks and gain three yards every time. But yeah, I mean, it's just so stupid. This would bring back the traditional QB sneak that worked pretty well for Bart Star. Like, Barstarr.

Did they have helmets when Barstar? I'm kidding, but like, come on. It's really bad. It's pathetic stuff. Super Chat. From 20th. Super chat. And his 20th Super Chat.

Says, honestly, happy for the bulletin board material. The Eagles team seems like they've already become pissed off enough as it is. I think that's fair. I think they internally use some of the outside noise. Like, they'll tell you they don't. But I think they... Oh, yeah. I'm sure that Nick Cirani likes this a lot.

Oh, yeah. This is right in his wheelhouse. You know what I said. Better to be pissed off and pissed on. that depends what you're into it depends on we don't we don't want to king shame it's 2025 but we have never absolutely not

yeah let us know what you think in the chat about how pathetic the Packers are and what you think Mark Murphy looks like in a diaper somebody needs to change it my man's approach in 70 you know could be a real I just can't get over like

what loser stuff it's just like do you think the team hears that and it's just like or do you think there's a sense that some of these teams Rahim Rats doubled down? Goudicunds was asked about it today, their GM and he said like he's we haven't talked about it. But like, yeah.

I wonder if you're a player and you hear that and you're on the defensive line. Are you just like, oh, dude, stop talking. I don't know, like, yeah, I mean, every team can do it. We've, I know that we've had this conversation so many times, but like I just, I can't get over how pathetic it is. And especially, the Packers.

do that goofy, like, double tight end pole where they're essentially doing it without doing it. They had a pretty good, they had a pretty good plaintiff attack themselves. They used Tucker Kraft. They use their tight end to do the quarterback sneak. It's totally fine. Everybody's allowed to do that. Like, you know,

it's like saying, you know, let's eliminate motion. Like, you know, just because one team does it better than other teams doesn't mean no one should be allowed to do it. It's so ridiculous. Yeah, really a bad look for the Packers. I texted some of our accounts. counterparts in Chicago yesterday. I was like, oh,

your beloved Packers. You never want to be the enemy of Philadelphia Sports Twitter. Because they're relentless maniacs. And the Packers will be in the crosshairs of Philadelphia Sports Twitter. Eagles Sports Twitter for a long time. It's tough. I mean, yeah, they also like they, you know, they lost in week one.

They lost in the playoffs. Now they're whining. It's like it's just a total domination. Did you have them when you, because the report came out that a team, an unidentified team, did you have the Packers in your top? I didn't see it in the real time. I only saw it when it became

obvious that it was the Packers. I saw it in the morning. But I think I had known that they were one of the teams who had compared to them before. I first thought of commanders. Yeah, like that would have made sense to me. Because that's your boy, Josh Harris. Your boy. That would be a classic move for him to pull.

I'm new to this game. Is that allowed? I'm more of a hockey guy. I think that's the first time I've talked Josh Harris. I feel like that was pretty good. Yeah. It wasn't bad. Yeah. I'm surprised you didn't work in a wrestling.

I got more of a wrestling. Yeah, he's a wrestling. Yeah, he's a wrestling. Oh, you know, I'm a Hall of Famer. Good stuff. Zach is going to re-listen to this episode. I was just thinking what does Zach think about this right now if he were listening? This is the newsiest day

we've had of two weeks. I'm talking to Howard Roseman. I'm talking to Nick Siriani. I flew out there just for this, and he's doing Josh Harris voice. Let them. Let me. Okay.

What would you like to hear from Harry Roseman and or Nick Siriani? I mean, if we had truth serum in them, I'd like to hear. Yeah, let's pretend that they were going to give an honest answer. We have no bleepin chance to sign

in Milton Williams and Josh sweat. Let's move on and focus on some D.Ns that could replace him, whether via the draft, whether via trade, whether via free agency. That's what I would like to hear. Like, we don't have to do the charade of like, oh, well, we'd love to keep Joshua and we'd love to keep Millet.

Like, they're gone. I mean, you know, unless barring Zach Bond being gone and you shift to keeping Milton, I guess there is a scenario. There's a scenario where that happens. Yeah. Because if you think about it, if they're playing the compit game,

which I think they are. Sure. You know, if let's say, let's say Zach Bonn is their top priority and they're not going to get Zach Bonn. But they're keeping tabs on the Milton Williams market and Milton Williams are going to cost more than Zach Bonn. But if you extend yourself a little bit for Milton

as opposed to signing, you know, Aziz O'Jolari or somebody else to backfill there, then it's not canceling out the compic. Sure. Because you're resigning your own guy. Now it would mean that there's one less, qualifying pick that's leaving, but I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I also think like they like Milton Williams.

They would like to have them back. Oh, I think they'd absolutely like to have all these guys back. But the reality of the world says you're not going to, and Milton Williams probably earned a very fat payday. I also think, you know, Zach and I had the conversation yesterday about whose market is most likely to surprise us one way or another. Like, you know, we expect all of these guys to get paid a certain amount. who has a chance to go much higher, much lower.

I do think there is a possibility that Josh Schwett's market is less than we're expecting. I mean, he was available to the league last year, essentially, arched four-trade. What it was structured for 10 million? And, yeah, it was forced to take a pay cut because the league was that uninterested in him. He had another solid year this year,

but if that was a fair snapshot of what the league thinks of him and maybe they are wary of the knee, which, you know, Zach will tell us, is unfair, he's played all of these snaps. He's never really missed time with it. But the Eagles have a better understanding of that medical situation than other teams. I think it's possible the market for Josh Sweat comes down enough to where the Eagles are like, you know what?

Let's bring him back. What do you think that number is where it would be down enough that's in their realm of possibility? Because I've been seeing a lot of the offseason, you know, like free agent trackers and top tens and this and that. And every time I see it, Zach Bonn is usually second. and Josh Sweat is usually like in the three to five range. And I'm kind of stunned every time I see, you know, do teams actually view him as the third,

or is this just by default because the free agent class is kind of weird? Yeah, it is a pretty weak free agent class. Like, is he going to get paid just because of default weak class? Yeah, I think, I think 13, and it's also depending on if they don't bring back Bonn, right? Sure.

Let's say Bonn leaves. Then I think they might be willing to, to bring Josh Swett back. In the 13 range? Something like that. I think 13 would be a no-brainer, right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying if he comes down enough. Like, I don't think they want to pay him 17.

Can he get 17, 18 on the open market? I think so. I think so. Maybe the egos would be willing to pay him 15, 16. You know, obviously the cap went up a little bit. Sure. Or significantly. He's going to be an interesting one for sure, because like we just said, you know, the class is weak.

A lot of teams, even our own counterparts in CHG, and PHNX. They've talked about Josh Swet and some of their own seasons. Ph. Ph.N.X has been like all over. Like just it's a fait accompli that Josh Swet's going to the Cardinals.

Maybe there's a recency bias because of the Super Bowl. Even that week, even Super Bowl week they were all about Josh Swet. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they just knew D.N. is such a need and such a weak class

that we got to get the best. He's going to be an interesting one for sure. Yeah, I was actually doing my, some work on the top three agents for the Eagles and just looking at the edge guys. And there are a lot of, like, guys who could be penciled in as, like, the number three or number four, just adding to a rotation, you know, like Aziz O'Jolari, Daryl Daryl Taylor, like Joe Osai, but all of those guys are not nearly as productive over a wide range of snaps as Joshua. Now, those types of guys and knowing the Eagles the way you do versus a year two of Jalick's hunt and possibly a year three of Nassah.

Nolan Smith and the production they could give you. Does a year two of Jalix Hunt match some of these tier two D.Ns? Oh yeah, that would not be, these would be guys coming in, I think, either competing with Hunt or behind Hunt. Yeah, like. Do you think? I think they're, I think they are okay going into next year if Jalick Hunt has pencilled in as a starter. A position battle with Hunt and this guy. But they need a guy who is about that same level.

Can that be a rookie? I think OjoLari actually makes a lot of sense for the Eagles. Okay. But we will see. And can a rookie be on that level? If only first? Could be. Maybe a second.

Jaylexone was a third round pick last year. I don't think they're going to enter the draft without having a third defense event. Okay. Yeah. So if sweat leaves and Brandon Graham retires, I don't think they will do nothing. Sure.

Now, obviously, you know, they could trade for Miles Garrett. that would be exciting it'd be funny to trade for Miles Garrett extend him and then tell him he's backing up Jaylex Hunt Hey not many teams have the Cohen has to do that

You know what? You're here now Yeah you're behind Jaylexon I'm sorry you gotta earn it Do you think that Miles Garrett I was thinking about this Because I think he wants to be here He can determine to some degree

You know sure His market Do you think there's a pride thing Where he would rather be the guy who takes the team over the top as opposed to joining the team that already made it like if the egos had lost to the chiefs maybe he would have been more willing to come here

and now he wants to go somewhere where he can be the difference maker he can be the Sequan. But can he be that? I mean, it's a good question. Now everything you read about Miles Garrett says he's like the best teammate and the best leader and the best worker

you would think somebody in that described that way by like everybody in the game would remove that ego and pride but I can't rule it out. I think if you think about like a guy who's like the best of the best, I would, I mean, I would think that way, you know, you want to be, you want to be, you want to go to a team that's ready to win,

but you kind of want to be the guy who puts the team over the top. So the Eagles and Chiefs are out, right? He can't be that guy with the Chiefs. Yeah, like, you know, like Detroit would be like. Detroit would be a, but then again, like they're a young core. Hutchinson and like, yeah, and they suffered a lot. of injuries. There's not many teams that really are that close that would be a near certain, you know, not certainty because winning is hard. But Baltimore, Buffalo, like, Buffalo would be an

interesting one. If he. But I mean, if honestly, though, like, you're, you, you played in Cleveland all this time. Do you really want to go to another lake cold? Can I get like just a little bit warmer? That's a good point. But if he was to take Buffalo to a Super Bowl crown to your point, he would probably feel like king of the world. That's an interesting one is Buffalo. Okay. I mean, he's going to want to, after what he's been through in Cleveland, he wants a quarterback.

True. I would imagine. I mean, this is complete speculation, but, you know, if I'm getting in the, he knows he needs a quarterback. I have a similar body to Miles Garrett, so it's a little bit easier for me into his mind. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like, I feel like maybe he wouldn't want to, it would be a little bit too easy

to join the defending champions. I think so. Zach did get a video earlier of Andrew Barry, and obviously there's the relationship. Andrew and not Adam? I was blown away. I saw Adam on the Super Bowl field, and I was like,

oh, what's Andrew Barry doing here? And Vinny was like, you know, that's Andrew's twin? Are they twins? Yeah. Yeah.

And I was like, oh, I didn't even know he had a Twitter. Ridiculous how much they look like each other. Yeah, I was shocked. So yeah. But he did have a quote today saying,

you know, our plans haven't changed. We love Miles. He's a huge. part of the team and we plan on keeping them. Good luck. Good luck. All right. Let's take a break.

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courtesy of our second favorite NFL insider, and that is of course Chase Daniel Plainview with a super chat who says Jason Peters is retiring. per John Schneider. That is the Seahawks General Manager. I mean, if I know Jason Peters,

like I think I know Jason Peters, John Schneider announcing Jason Peters' retirement is probably enough to make Jason Peters not retire. Like, that's his announcement to make. You don't make that announcement, John Schneider. Jason Peters might be liable to walk into John Schneider's office and say, the general manager now.

That is a bold stroke from John Schneider to steal Jason Peters's news. Why would he say that? I don't know. That's weird. And listen, the odds on Bet365 have just rocketed up for Jason Peters as the Eagles 2025

starting right guard. Jason Peters is 43. Oh my gosh. How many games did he play last year? Did he snuck in a couple? at the end of the year, didn't he? I'm 43. I couldn't.

I hurt my shoulder sleeping. I can't imagine. He didn't play last year. Okay, I thought he snuck in like a game or two at the end of the year. Okay. 43. When's the birthday on that? You still have that tab open?

Yep. Oh, you're an out-of-control tab guy. That's chaos. That's chaos. This is nothing. January 22nd. Oh, January. Just turned.

45. Okay. That's child's play with open tabs? Yeah, this is bad This is just one of Oh no Eight windows No

Do you close tabs Yeah, I close some tabs Okay But I mean you'll see like You know I got like nine Notion tabs up Like you know Just for the people right now

His internet tab Probably has 25 Not like I do I like to I like to I like to Like the different windows For different things

So like I got a window here That's the you know The cars We gotta get a new car for this child that's on the way. This kids require space and need a third row. They're going to trade in the car. And are you out of the stroller game too?

Have you been out? Are you still? We still have an occasional umbrella. Yeah. But like the big boy. For when Mark Murphy's legs are hurting him. Yeah. But yeah.

Don't forget the death. Back to the big one. You know, so I've got a window for the, like, our offseason schedule or for like the free agency research I'm doing. And then there's one main window, which has, you know, I got the different email accounts up. I got the calendars up. I got the calendars up. I got, you know, the ad reads and stuff like that. Wow. There's one main tab.

Fascinating way to run your internet browsers. Yeah. What are you? Are you a minimalist? I try to be because I get overwhelmed. So I just have them all email, email, Twitter, blue sky, calendar. How about your desktop? I'm a little OCD. this is a fairly new computer so it didn't get overwhelmed I just have a couple

oh yeah that's not bad at all yeah I have two guys won trophy picture right there just for easy access nice yep yeah got that W2 yeah yeah I got the W2 I just downloaded so I'm trying to be proactive this year and not go up against the deadline I'm afraid to look at what the desktop looks like

I kind of need to know now after I've seen your internet browser oh you're pretty good desktop's not that bad yeah you're fine Yeah. Okay. Only three rows. But like the downloads folder is going to be just a disaster. Not good stuff.

I'm always fascinated to look at people's. How about your phone? Oh, I'm very OCD. I do a lot of folders and stuff? A lot of folders. Yeah. So I only have the two pages. So I have that.

Oh, wow. That's not bad. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah. Frequently use stuff outside the folders, but then I have an all city folder, sports, a golf folder. Bleep, I don't use folder. So I try to hide. stuff. Okay.

Yeah. Freaky. Look into both of our souls. Super chat from Polar Jam just saying, what's up, guys? How are you doing? What's up, Polarjew? What is it? Fire Fest, too.

You know the guy? Oh, he's doing another? Jamie, that is not my world. How is something that you and I have texted about, but not addressed on the show yet. Hmm. How's Pink Pony Club doing in the house these days?

Pretty good. It's getting a little overridden. Wicked has come back, full force, and the movie Home, Rihanna. How did Zach? I'm not familiar. Rihanna. I'm not familiar with Home.

It's an okay animated movie where the aliens, but Rihanna, Rihanna did several of the songs for the soundtrack. Okay. So the soundtrack's big in the house. It's like aliens come over, send the humans to an alien planet and take over Earth. Okay. They build a utopian kind of like amusement world for the humans and then they take Earth.

Okay. So it's fine. So Pink Pony Club is still in the mix a little, but getting pushed. It's losing some steam in the house. We have gone. I do love the Pink Pony Club memes and videos though. It's so good. It's such a good song.

When I was in, when we were in New Orleans, when I would walk to the media center, was just blasting chaperone in my ears just to make me feel like being at home yeah i mean the music is so good yes uh it's a we we we ping ponging club is still there but but hot to go is now the one oh like jane gets in the car first thing she asked is hott t o go let's do it really yeah it's good stuff is still is it chapelle chapel chapel okay i believe okay yeah you i don't know where the experts here but that's another one of her singles yeah the whole album is just bangor after bang. All right.

We've only really scratched the surface on Pink Bunny Club. There are a couple where Rachel's like, she can't be singing that. So we, I mean, it's all good stuff. Very sex positive. We like that.

Yeah. That's good. But separate art from artists. Yeah. So Rihanna, obviously, there's some stuff. So I have to make, it's all my list of things to do.

Make a child playlist. That's the radio version. Okay. Because we don't need some of the lyrics. you know, getting repeated at school and such. Just, yeah, I mean, just the F-bombs, that's all. Well, some of the sex stuff is, uh... Yeah, but they don't know, they don't understand.

I know, but like, you know, you don't want to just add a whips and chains and, you know, all that stuff. Don't need that repeated. I guess. Polar Jams Super Chat was supposed to be, where is the Ospreys tag? Well, we were actually honestly just discussing. We don't have anything definitive to announce, but... It's in the works. I think we're targeting early June to make it an actual in-person event so that the sickos can come.

And we're going to maybe reach out to an important place in the history of the 2024 Philadelphia Eagles. That's all I will say. and hoping to potentially make something happen. Jason with the Super Chat says peanut butter, crunchy or smooth, peanut butter and jelly or fluff or nutter. As a kid, I was a staunch peanut butter and fluffer nutter guy. Okay.

As an adult and uncrustables have won over my heart. Yeah. Casey eats like he will have, he will like hold his nose and have regular dinner when he gets the actual healthy food that he needs. needs and then he will close the night with like four encrustables just just ridiculous uh if i'm making it i prefer the crunch personally yeah i prefer the crunch we have more smooth in the house so the kids don't like the crunch well my wife buys the organic peanut butter which is just a sloppy mess yeah it's got that oil at the top if you sort it upside down it kind of corrects the oil issue oh i hadn't i have never considered so then when you flip it back over it

What a great move. Yeah. That's a little hack for you. Yeah. Wow, that's a great move. But it's just not as good. I mean,

you need those processed. Yeah, I mean, garbage in there. Yeah. Really rampant. No, I don't,

I've never really had a preference between Skippy and Jiff. They're both fine to me. I don't think I could pass a blind taste test. Neither do I. That's the one where, what does smuckers use? Is it smuckers peanut butter,

I guess? They're not outsourcing their peanut butter. It's a good question. No, this is late-state capital. Yeah. That's no way. Yeah, but I would go.

Yeah, I would say most, most things like that, I have a preference. Like, you know, Coke over Pepsi or whatever. But yeah, Skippy and Jiff. I never did PV&J's as a kid, though. Did you? I mean, I did them. They weren't my number one. But I love the Fluffer and Peanut Butter.

Yeah, I remember, I do actually have a very specific memory of the first time I learned what Fluff was. Yeah. And, like, blew my mind. Yeah, because you love it in school. Marshallows. I'm like, oh my God, what? You had that? So, yeah, I went through like a brief Fluffer Nutter phase. Fluffer Nutter, you want that bad boy toasted, I feel. Absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely. We never had Nutella in the house either. That's an adult thing that I tasted. Me neither. Yeah. I don't know. Did Nutella come on, like, post-2000s in a big way? Yeah. I don't remember it existed. I don't remember it existed. Yeah. Okay. We're going to do a quick break now to set the stage, set the scene. for a Zach Berman. Before we do that, let's hear from our sponsors one more time. Whatever the moment.

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By the way, she has a super chat. We'll have to get to that just broke my brain. Okay. Oh, there he is. Oh, look at that. Beautiful picture. Okay, terrific. Terrific.

Great to speak to you guys, Bo and Jamie. I'm here at the Combine. Just finished nearly an hour with Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani. I know fans might have seen. I, well, it's up there. I mean, the owners meetings is a really good hour as well, draft night. But this is one of the top hours.

And it was more time than we typically get. I know fans might have seen the press conferences online. I'll discuss those, but I spent some time with Howie and Nick on the side before their press conferences. So got a lot of information, a lot of insight, a lot of perspective to share with everyone today. All right, Zach.

Let's start with the real news, the newsy stuff. And so take us through what they said about the hiring process for Kevin Petulow as offensive coordinator. And if there are any other new information, any news on the rest of the staff. So an extensive search is how Nick Siriani explained that he did not want to get into who and how many, but he explained how that they spoke to a lot of people here. Many of the finest people, I'm sure.

That Kevin Patuo, as he said at the Super Bowl, has been. involved in every decision and, you know, he's spoken up Kevin before. He said, you know the way I feel about Kevin. One thing I asked Nick in particular, and this is a part of that question, is how do you keep the offense from becoming stale? Like you admitted it was going from 22 to 23. And I bring this up because in that answer, he talked a lot about what you're asking here. Nick said that you'll see with the rest of the staff, when the staff fills out, that they're bringing in outside voices. He spoke about Parks Frazier. I asked about Parks.

And he said the year Parks had in Miami was something different. He said a big point of emphasis with the coaching staff, the offensive coaching staff, because I asked about the offense this offseason, is going to be going out there, speaking to different coaches, getting different ideas. He emphasized how important continuity is, and he thinks continuity, college, NFL is imperative, but he also emphasized the importance of evolving. And Nick spoke about in these interviews that he had, how many notes he jotted down, different stars from conversations that he had of, oh, we should incorporate this, we should incorporate that. A matter of fact, he even said that this goes back to something he's been thinking about during

the season. Before the Rams game, before the Packers game, when he's watching the, those offenses and he's saying this is something we can add or that's something we can add. So Nick was adamant that they are going to continue to evolve. And he referenced the different people that they spoke to without mentioning who specifically they interviewed. I will continue to kind of search for names here. But there were external candidates that's required by the league, of course.

But Nick explained it as an extensive search. Now, if I can editorialize here, it was a search where you knew what the result was going. going to be, right? I mean, going back to the Super Bowl, you and I, Bo, were saying Kevin Patuo is the expected offensive coordinator, not that there's anything wrong with that, but they did use the coaching search as a chance to meet different candidates. A matter fact, as I'm saying this, this comes to mind. One thing Nick did say, and this is accurate, is you can talk to a coach now, and maybe you're not hiring him this cycle, but you're hiring him for a different cycle, right? So you get a chance to talk to different candidates. So it's

certainly sounded, and I'll take him at his word here, that he, that they, that they did speak to a number of different people, but Kevin Patuo seemed to be the obvious choice all along. And just to check the box, no news on quarterbacks coach. No news on quarterbacks coach. You know, he, he, he spoke about what he's looking for in a quarterback's coach, which is fairly generic, if I can be honest with you, but, uh, no update there as far as the identity of the coach. He did say, you know, he'll, he'll get that information for us when he's ready, you know, because I asked what Parks Fraser's role is going to be. We're expecting that the passing game coordinator. A matter of fact, you know, Mike McDaniel, speaking to Mike McDaniel today, and he said that part

of Parks going to Philly was a chance to take on more responsibility. So you're expecting that there. But as far as the quarterback's coach, no, no name yet on quarterback's coach. All right. Let's stick with Nick before we get to Howie. First of all, what was the, you and I discussed yesterday? What was like the, what was the comportment from Nick? Was he wearing any Super Bowl swag?

Was he flexing the ring or anything like that? Well, he was wearing the Eagles hoodie. You know, it looked like he just got out of like the coach's locker room, right? Eagles hoodie and hat. Top of the drawer, as you said. Yeah. Yeah, no. And they haven't had the ring ceremony yet,

but you would not know this was the Super Bowl winning coach just by the way he was comporting himself, which maybe speaks to kind of the relative humility there. he you know they they talked about he he talked about the weeks after the super bowl for instance like how much he's enjoying watching some of the players go back to their hometowns he's you know slay went back to brunswick jrunswick jrude back at iowa but no you would not know just by the way he was speaking or acting or dressing that this is the super bowl winning coach uh so what else from nick is worth passing on zach and just so you know the chat is is just blown away by your energy level today.

They think you are just absolutely on fire. You look and sound great. Well, first off, I appreciate that. This is odd for me because I literally can't see. I'm looking into a camera, but I don't know, you know, I don't know if I'm on center. I need a compliment. The PHNX crew is outstanding.

So if I look and sound any different today, they have a full crew out here. They're doing awesome. And I appreciate our friends at PHNX. This is a full professional setup here. So thank you there. Bo is naked with a Josh Harris mask on. So that's what you're looking at.

Ah, okay. All right. So it's, it's just a Tuesday then. Yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah, so actually from a Nick Suriani's podium session, I saw what the, what the caption and the thumbnail was for today's show. And so this kind of fits into the description of the show.

Nick was asked about the brotherly shove, quarterback sneak, push, push, however you want to frame it. And he said he gets kind of miffed or insulted when it's like, described as an automatic play. And he explained the amount of work that goes into that play, the amount of time they spend on the snap, the amount of time they spend on operating the play within the rules, right? So he had a really spirited answer there. And he gave the anecdote, for instance,

how every week he watches every first and goal play. And sometimes they're at the one yard line, for instance, and the player loses yards. And this is something that's come up before. and like how they really tried to master this play. This has been a polarizing topic here today, Bo and Jamie and Julia, you know, here at all these coaches and GMs are coming through. And it's like one of the top of du jour is the quarterback sneak.

And there are a number of, you know, coaches and GMs who say they don't like it and shouldn't be in. And it's, you know, it's not a football play and that kind of thing. But no, Nick Siriani did not like that discreet. of the play of it being automatic. He's kind of insulted because of the amount of work that they put into it. So does he want to ban it? Nick? No, Nick does not want to ban it.

Nick, Nick wants it. I don't know if he was, you know, joining the peer pressure. Nick said the competition committee will, you know, have, have their say in it. He does, he says, he says, you can look at the data, but he doesn't think the play results in more injuries, for instance. But he's going to leave that up to the competition committee. He just, he pushed against the notion that it's an automatic play. Topic du jour, of course, French for topic of the day.

Yes. The chat, I wasn't going to bring this up, but the chat is taking a little bit of offense at your description of the top-notch caliber, pH and X crew and how good they're making you look. They're taking that as a veiled shot at Julia. How do you care to respond? No, joy is amazing, too, at the Super Bowl. at the Super Bowl.

I wish Joy was here. It's got a thumbs up for Julie in the chat here. Yeah, Julia is outstanding. I could have taken the Howie approach here, which when Howie was asked about his forehead, he kind of gave this line twice that, right? You know, that it doesn't take much for him to, you know, to look better, right?

I could have been self-deprecating like that. Rather, I wanted to give the credit here. You know, they came across country from Phoenix to Indianapolis. And yeah, I would just be on my computer if not for them. Julia is amazing. I've known that for about 28 years now. So no, that has nothing to do with Joey. All right.

So let's get to Howie Roseman, Zach. And good job there parrying that very nicely done. He's a pro. Let them, as they say. What did, let's start with, let's start with the forehead. How did it look? I was curious. How did it look?

Fine. Great. Or I don't know. I don't know. I got a little too excited there, Hallie. That's smart that I've ever seen. Look normal. I asked Howie, I, you know, we were talking about, we were joking about it, like, off

the record. And then I wanted to ask him on the record about it, right? And so I said this is a matter of public interest. People want to know about the moment. and he was there with Nick and he joked that like a Nick said that you know thank you for taking it so it didn't hit my family right because Nick's family was on there and then and then Howie was was talking about how you know it definitely hurt that night right but he's he's feeling better now and he I'm trying to think back to if I made this joke when I was imitated having Howie in our mock interview, in our mock press conference yesterday, but he said something similar to that. He's like, he's like, I will, you know, I will gladly welcome that. And then he's like, actually, I don't want to say that because then fans will just be

throwing beer cans at me. But his, his, his, his, his, the implication was, was that if they win a Super Bowl and they have a parade, like, that's a small price to pay. But no, there's no scar. There wasn't even a scab. Howie heals quickly, man. Credit the hell. Yeah, you think it was fake? You think he had a makeup artist on that parade float? No, I know, I mean, it was very real from the way Nick was describing it, but

it just, look, it's been I think maybe just had a good touch up. Yeah. It's been 10 days now. Look, yeah, yeah, credit to Howie. I scraped my knuckle. 29 years old, he heals quickly. Credit to Howie. That's very funny. He's got that, he's got that beautiful forehead. It's one of the best

foreheads in the league. I think I said great, right? Fine, great. Yeah, my bad there. All right, so. You get a message from how you're a little too excited about my forehead, man. You wouldn't even call it a forehead. You'd give it a 10 head.

I don't know what that means. Okay, go on. It's a dad joke. I see what you did there. Yeah, I got you. Did you get your haircut? I got a ball cut. All right.

So, we know, Zach, that in the 2018 off season, how he's operating. procedure. The thing that he said was they needed to avoid sentimentality. We were expecting him to hammer that home again today. But what did he say about, you know, all of these impending free agents and the way that they are expecting to approach this offseason? Great question. And that's really going to be the theme of kind of what I write about as well. Regarding the sentimentality thing, how he said he was nodding his head as I referenced 18 and 23. And he said like, you can say it, but your actions have to show it. Right. And a big thing,

this off season is that, like we talked about, they know they're not going to be able to keep everybody. He said, as much as they would love to, they know that's going to be the case. They spoke about how let, he spoke about last year they viewed it as an opportunity to be aggressive in free agency. They were kind of looking at the free agency classes. They knew they could be aggressive last season. This year, they're kind of looking at it differently. And it's, it's, he called it more of the Maiton stage, right? and it's about maintaining their roster,

but he knows they're not going to be keeping everybody. And he even said at one point to a question I had where, I think it was about the sentimentality question. And he said what he's asking Eagles fans for is patience, right? And like to trust them that they're going to be aggressive, that they're always trying to add players, right? But that there needs to be patience this offseason and understanding how that, you know,

how as he says, the acquisition season does not end at free agency, does not end at the draft. And so perhaps that's a reference to maybe they'll be more active post draft in the free agent market, like guys who are around in May and June at inexpensive prices, those could be the veteran fortifications. He spoke about how they made it the deliberate effort not to resign players during the season. okay, but he even made a joke that that might have been able to help me now because he has a sense of what some of these players are going to cost. I asked him specifically at one point about the depth at edge rusher and detackle and guard. It's spots where they have major free agents. And he made the point that he's always looking for more.

It's kind of like one of his, you know, his obsessions. And I said, well, specifically J-OX Hunt and Morrow, how do you feel about their readiness for, for, for, you know, more work, more opportunity. And he said, you know, they were productive last year in limited snaps. But if, you know, he's very confident in their development. I definitely think that is something to monitor. Yeah. So he would not get into like specifics about player contracts. you know, even about Cam Juergens' contract extension.

He is, you know, he was asked about a potential Cam Juergens contract extension. He does not want to get into contracts. One thing he is privy to, though, is the draft classes coming behind Cam as well, that there's a number of guys that they're going to want to re-sign, right? So, you know, something to just be mindful of as they kind of put this entire offseason plan together. But that, you know, regarding linebacker, history. he kind of implied that you shouldn't kind of take that as a sign with Bond,

like how they've looked at their history in the in the past. But he said that he did say when describing their offseason that there will be decisions that are made that might kind of go against the status quo. I think the term he used and I'll listen back, but I think it was conventional wisdom. They're going to make decisions that might go against conventional wisdom. And that's where he's asking fans for patience. So that's interesting. Now, I did ask him on the record, off camera about when you've made trades where you traded first round picks for,

and this was the question I teased yesterday for veterans. So Jason Peters, who retired, by the way, how he spoke about that. Well, he hasn't announced it himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no. John Snyder retired him. Yeah, yeah. AJ Brown and then, you know, they were aggressive in the past for Jalen Ramsey. If there were certain parameters in place, be it age, be it position, you know, be it the stage that they are in building.

And he said, he said, yeah, all of the above, right? The timing, the time has to be right. Meaning post-June first? No, no, more like in terms of kind of where you are. I think in the building financially, you know, he said, kind of had a twinkle in his eye. He said there are opportunities out there, you know, that they kind of talk about in the building that can get you really excited. And I'm paraphrasing here. I'll have the direct quote online.

But he did end it with something along the lines of, but it's just not the right time this year. Now, I don't know if this was downplaying expectations. I don't know if it was, I mean, Howie's a smart guy. He knew kind of the root of the question. When he was asked on the record later about Miles Garrett specifically, he did not, you know, he joked how long have you been covering the team. This was the Elliott Short Parks. My friend from WIP, you know, like I was suggesting, you know, I'm not going to answer that question. He wanted Eagles fans to know that they'll leave no stone on turn, that they'll make calls on everybody, right?

These things that he's always said. But to the question about trading a first round pick for a veteran, he suggested that the time is not right now. Now, look, you know, circumstances can always change. But I do wonder if there's just like, if it's a contract that they're not taking on, if where they are, they recognize that they can't add, you know, major, you know, like a $25, $30 million contract. if they recognize because of, you know, future deals for guys like Jaylon Carter and you go on down the list that they're going to need these draft picks. I don't know. I thought that was an interesting inclusion in the answer. Again, you know, for full disclosure, I haven't listened back to everything, you know. So I have like an hour of notes in front of me, but I'll have a verbatim on all phly.com and in our future shows. but I thought that was an interesting inclusion in the answer.

And I would still, you know, Andrew Barry spoke today, and Andrew Barry, who is adamant they're not trading Miles Garrett, right? But, you know, we'll see what happens. I still think that's a player of the Eagles will call about. I don't know what the price would be in terms of draft pick compensation, in terms of player compensation, in terms of contract. But, yeah, I mean, I didn't leave here. thinking that was more of a possibility.

On the like bucking conventional wisdom thing, that that, that's very interesting to me. What how do you read those tea leaves? Is it like moving on from Dallas Goddard and not replacing him right away? Is it like that kind of thing? Like leaving leaving a hole essentially? I'm curious how you read that. Yeah. That was a real, you know, Beau, you have a great spidey sense because like I was thinking the same thing.

Like what is that referring to? And, and. Is linebacker too obvious? Well, I mean, I actually think it's, it's probably defensive line, right? There's probably a sentiment like, you know, the Eagles have not let good young defensive linemen go and that maybe Milton Williams will, you know, as we've said, we'll be on their approach, you know, will be on their price. It could be a Dallas Goddard situation.

He did say at one point, I believe within the same answer, that this doesn't mean, that fans are going to have to change the jerseys that they wear to the game. Okay. Meaning like the core players are not going anywhere, right? But you think of, you know, probably, yeah, maybe you're, you're Milton Williams. That's, that's probably how I interpreted it. It could be linebacker. What's interesting if I'm, look, I mean, I haven't been here for 24 hours, but I took

both advice and I did go out last night and, you know, I have been speaking to people here. That was my next question. Well, first of all, thank you for watching on Fast. If you want to find out what Zach learned in the Wii hours at Prime 47, check it out on all-P-H-L-Y.com to watch the rest of the episode. Go ahead, my friend. Yeah, since like 630 this morning is how many people outside of Philly, who I'm speaking to, who are not expecting the Eagles to keep Zach Vaughn.

And maybe that's just because of the Eagles history with linebackers, but like, you know, on people who would have, like an understanding of kind of the way the league works or expecting Zach Bond to not be back. And that surprised me. And I still think the Eagles are going to do everything they can to keep Zach Vaughn. I think they're going to keep Zach Vaughn. But that sentiment surprised me. And my guess is that sentiment has more to do with Eagles history at linebacker than it does with this specific situation.

What else did you learn in the we crowded hours in Indianapolis? Look, there's still stuff that I am kind of piecing together. I'm trying to find out more information here. Looking at my phone just to kind of go through some notes. So, yeah, I mean, in terms of what I've learned during the past 24 hours, that's more like half-baked thoughts, if you will. I mean, I shouldn't frame it like that. Thoughts that are still kind of coming,

thoughts that are still coming together. But as far as today, yeah, one of the biggest takeaways from Howie was just this repeated emphasis that it's going to look different, that they're going to have tough decisions, that they're not going to be able to keep everybody. So that was repeated on a number of occasions.

How's Fran looking? Great, man. Great. It's better than how his forehead. Fran is, first off, Fran's reppping the brand. Okay. He's got the PHOI hoodie on.

I was going to say, PHOI are All-City. This is an important distinction. Oh, yeah. No, PHY. He's reppping the brand. And, you know, look, I mean, I don't want to say he's, like, liberated.

He's done a great job for the past decade. Julie What? Unbelievable. Julius dropping stuff over here. It's ridiculous. Yeah, but but he is

Shane and PHNX would never do that. Franz, Franz work in the room, right? I mean, look, he's,

he's one of the major draft insiders here. So it is awesome to have Fran on our team. And I got to tell you, I, you know, just in talking to different media members,

man, Fran was a great pickup for you guys. Fran was a great pickup for you guys. tell me about it. It's like, you know, it's like the Eagles adding Sake porn. Who, like who's saying that? Give me some of those media members. Well, I don't think these were on the record conversations. I mean, did they say it was off the record?

Hmm. Yeah, I generally don't think something that said in the wee hours of the night at a bar is on the record. So, Zach, what's the, what's the game plan tonight? You got dinner reservations where you hobnobbing? How much sleep you plan on getting? give us the night. Yeah, so after I finish with you, I'm going to start transcribing. And I'll put out some of these quotes in a hole.

And there's probably stuff that I'm going to, you know, pinch myself or punch myself for not saying on air. Don't punch yourself, please. Yeah, that will kind of come up as I listen through to everything. I'm actually, if I'm being completely honest, I'm probably going to go try to find Howie and Nick around here. Because, oh, I see Howie leaving right now. Shoot. Okay. What a forehead.

Tell him to come over. Go ahead. You can leave. If you are going to run after him, you are allowed to leave. Go. Go ahead. All right. I'm going to try to catch up with hell.

Yeah, yeah. Do it. All right. See. We love you, Zach. Stone Cold News, man. Got to go. Very nice.

Following the story. Did you see his, like, you know, the Lisa Simpson where, like, Ralph's heart breaks when the Valentine, like, you kind of saw Zach's, like. I was thinking about that specific thing to, day with the clip of Elliot Shore Parks asking Joe Shane right away about the Sequin. Like how do you feel a year later about letting Sequin go?

I was like, wow. Just very much like you watched his heartbreak in a time. He's like, and how did that feel for you? Oh, what a surprise. Hey guys. Look at what it is for the audio listeners. Fran Duffy just steps right in. And you can't see it,

Fran, but Bo is totally nude. I was taking a peek at the show. I was. At the show a little bit as Zach jumped on just because the shot looked great. Well, I was in the table next to you guys working, but. Do you want to praise Shane in the PHNX crew? Yeah, I mean, you know, Zach threw them some love. So we'll, I'll keep it rolling.

There obviously everybody out here from all cities doing a great job. How are you, Fran? How's it going? Going great. You guys know, I'm, uh, look, I'm, I'm a pig and slap this week. So I'm very excited to get things rolling. It's a, you've kind of break the week up into like different chunks. And Bo, I know you and I will talk about it this week on the draft show.

But I think when you look at this week, there's so much information to be gleaned from so many different sources, obviously from the players on the field, the players and the press conferences, the coaches and GM. So there's a lot of phases to the week. It's a lot of media availability now, behind the scene stuff now. And then I'm excited for the drills to start on Thursday. All right. A couple of questions. We won't keep you for too long because we are going to talk on the draft show this week.

And you and Zach will be doing the show tomorrow. but I know that you love being there for all the GMs and coaches and soaking up some little bits of information. Give me like two interesting things that you learned today. All right, let me go with my notes real quick. Yeah, it was interesting because, you know, I look, in my previous job, I would feel weird like asking other coaches and GM's questions because, you know, look,

I'm another employee from a different team. So I would always go, but more, I was more a listener. So this one, I actually made it a, point. I wanted to make sure that I had questions, you know, at the ready for every head coach, every general manager was ready to speak and was able to get some good stuff. You know, and so I talked with Terry Fontno, the general manager from the Atlanta Falcons, just about basically being in year two now and really like year one outside of year zero with Rahim Morris. And this was a theme that with a number of general managers, you know, in the same spot. Talk with Adam Peters from Washington about this as well.

So, all right. You're so close. You know, you look at Washington, you were so clear, you were on the doorstep, you're at the NFC championship game in year one. How tempting is it to go away from what your ethos was a year ago? You draft a bunch of captains and you know, you say like, all right, like this is going to be our culture. Well, now you're so close. You can almost taste it. How hard is it to stay disciplined and stay within yourself in terms of types of players you're bringing in? And the same thing with, you know, with the Atlanta where it's like, okay, maybe you weren't as close as, say, Washington, but, uh, you know, You know, when you're now in year two working with Rahim Morris,

how have things changed for you in terms of the types of players you're bringing in? So a lot of those kind of conversations for me. I always find important. I enjoy talking with coaches about kind of big picture stuff when it comes to different positions. So I asked Nick Siriani about the tight end spot. And when you look at all the different tight ends that are out here, you know, some guys very involved with their own game, other guys not so much. How does that?

And he's had success, you know, both here in Philadelphia and at other stops with guys that have been on both ends of the spectrum. So how does he view that, right? And so, you know, I talked with Todd Balls about the state of the lineback position. So a lot of, like, little one-off conversations, but a lot of good stuff that I'm sure I'll be writing about here on all p.h.com.

Well, we look forward to that. Were you in on Nick and Howey? I was able to get a question for Nick. I did not, not so for Howie. Did they give you like a look at recognition? Yeah, yes, it was good to be able to catch out. there were a few other Eagles people here behind the scenes that I was able to catch up with as well beforehand and afterwards. So always good to see familiar faces that way.

But, you know, Nick, I think, I think there was like a hint of a smirk there as he realized. I was asking the question. But no, it was definitely good seeing those guys. What was your Nick question? Yeah, I was going to say, what's the question? It was about the tight ends. So it was, yeah, about, you know, asking just, you know, how he views those guys in terms of being able to fit. And I thought he gave a good answer.

He said, there's been a lot of talk. about when you're building a wide receiver room, you know, building it like a basketball team. You know, you want to have a guy that can, you know, serve all the different areas. And he views the tight end room the same way. So, honestly, the way I interpret that answer, you know, rather than looking ahead if I'm going to do a mock draft for the Eagles,

you know, just taking any tight end and projecting him in, that might be tough because you don't know what the, what is the long term plan for Dallas Goddard. You know, I know, Bo, you and Zach talked about it yesterday on the show, that there could be like a redoing of his deal. if they extend Dallas Goddard, I don't think that that takes them out of the tight end market. I do think it probably impacts the type of tight end

that they could try and get. Whereas if we look, if Dallas Scott is going to remain on this one-year contract, I think more of a three-down presence might be in the car that you look on day two, you know, maybe a Mason Taylor from LSU and we can get into some of those names on the draft show. But I think when you're looking at that,

I think that does add a little bit of color into the types of tight ends they could be looking at come draft weekend. All right. Here's my last one for you, Fran, is you are, as you mentioned there, you are in Indianapolis this year in a different capacity. You are, you are the man now. You are the draft analyst. Do you like, is there a bit of a different, like if you're passing a Mel Kuiper or you're passing a Dane Brugler? Like, you know, is there a bit of attention there that wasn't there before?

Like you guys are now in the arena together. Is there anything different going on there? Picking up a try day. Mel Kuiper famously does not come. Yes, I know. He does not fly. So I don't know passing Mel Kiper. Baltimore and Indianapolis is pretty close.

I mean, come on. Yeah. I think it's a flying thing. I think he has made the try. You can take a Madden cruiser over? I think I think he's done it once, maybe twice. I think that it was like they made a big deal of it when they brought him out a few years ago. And that was his first time.

But let's say a McShay. Yeah. No, nothing has changed with that. the dynamics of my relationships with any of the other guys, you know, in the space. So, you know, seeing Dane is great. You know, everybody, you go down the list of the top of McShay's of the world. It's always good to be able to catch up Daniel Jeremiah from NFL that NFL network. So being able to run into those guys here on Radio Row out in the street, you know, certainly at the stadium later this week will always be good. I would think that they're a little nervous,

but with our diehard sale going on right now, you know, that you can get friends. Yeah, I know they're nervous. Inner cranial access for a mere $40 a year. right now. I mean, it's a deal that many people are talking about. So, you know, maybe there's some nerves there, Fran. Yeah, I mean, maybe look, but look, if they, if our viewers and our listeners want to share and so we understand, like, what could make people nervous, you want to make sure you take advantage of that diehard sales. Yeah. Get access to all of these notes. And I'm constantly updating it. And so, you know, as I'm watching prospects go, you know, hit the field on Thursday. My goal is Thursday night. I'm going in, I'm going, going through all my

notes and putting all of that info into the database. And so you'll have that access to those notes basically in real time Thursday night. Yeah. And Friday, Fran, I have to backfill the forms with the official heights and weights of the defensive line. So I hope I don't screw you up. I mean, look, that's a lot of pressure. You know, I hope you're ready for this.

You know, look, I think those numbers, those numbers should start coming in, like the weights and stuff. I think you're on the heights and weights, right? Yeah, I'm on Friday heights and weights. Every eighth of an inch counts there, Jamie. I'm a bit nervous. I'm not going to lie. No, but it's good. It's one of my favorite parts of the process.

And a lot of these interactions are great. I get so much value out of everything, every person I talk to here this week. All right. Well, Fran, thank you so much. We will hear a little bit more about your process on this week's episode of the P.HLY draft show with Fran Duffy. very memorable appearances from you and Zach.

We learned that Howie Roseman's forehead is looking great, and from you that every eighth of an inch counts. Thanks, guys. Thank you, Fran. All right, a couple of super chats. That's an eighth and a minute. It's not nothing. Yeah.

Let's check out the super chats. A few to run through here. Claire says, summer or winter Olympics, Jamie? Summer. Yeah, I mean, I like the Winter Olympics. I like the Winter Olympics. But that's a blowout.

And we get what, Italy next? What's your, a year from now? I believe that's right. What's your, what's the highlight of the Summer Olympics for you? I usually get really into swimming, but the track and field also. Track and field. Yeah. The track is the best.

But if you do have like a Michael Phelps or like somebody that's like just crushing records. Yeah, it's fun. Even then like the aesthetics of it to me, like that track is far and away the best. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the fastest person in the world. to run it. Yeah.

It's the coolest thing in the world. It's very cool. Baldiani says, please know Ospreys the weekend of June 7th or 21st. We'll take that into account. I cannot promise that we will accommodate that. Baldiani, but that will be a data point as we try to plan this out.

Now here's the, here's the tough one. We'll close it out with this. Did you read this already? I just saw it before. This is very difficult. Yeah. From Shea,

who says, if you had a box containing all that you've ever lost, including physical and metaphor, metaphorical things. What's the first thing that you would look for and why? Oh, man. That is deep. Now, a physical item, this is a weird one because it's not very expensive, but I immediately went back to my heartbreak. I got a shark watch in third or fourth grade. It was a neon yellow face shark watch with the yellow's out of crow grip. The strap. And I think I got lift from my cubby or I lost it in and and it devastated me like brutal yeah just like tore me down

and that's the first place for a physical thing my mind went which is very weird for me the physical thing I'm thinking a couple there's a couple baseball gloves from my child that I mean that I loved and I was I was reckless with them I don't know see to me even more than finding the glove again which would like heal a part of my heart. Sure. I would want to see like the replay of how it is that I was so neglecting and lost it. I'd like to see the video replay of how it happened. Yeah, well, in a similar vein, sophomore year, I had, I blew out my knee and I left all my lacrosse gear in the locker.

Geared. Gone. All of it. Gloves, cleats, sticks. What the hell? And they, you know, there wasn't security footage everywhere back in the day. So you either got lifted, but like I had my favorite lacrosse. I told you the story.

There is, high school I went to. There was a bit of a thing going on in the locker room. People were being, stuff was being taken from the, like, the boys' sports locker rooms. And so somebody set up like a bit of a sting operation. Oh, I like that. Set up a camera and left something to be taken. And they caught somebody red-handed. and nothing came of it because they weren't allowed to be filming in there.

It was just kind of like a wag of the finger at both parties. The person who then took the stuff, who was the locker room thief, went on to become a politician. New York City police officer who robbed banks. No way. Didn't see that going. And then it was caught. Yeah, went to jail for robbing banks.

Wow. How about that? I mean, that goes to show you maybe the life of theft does not leave you. Yeah, I mean, talk about good scouting. Shameless by that person. Just continue on the life of thievery. Yeah, fantastic. Wow.

And he might, I would say there was a pre-calculated. Your baseball glove, that would be the thing you know before. My college lacrosse stick would be up there too. I love that shift. Do you think that person went, all right, I love stealing so much. I got to become an insider. Like, do you think that was the career trajectory? I think you would have to feel like that was part of the,

part of the long-term goal. Yeah, I would think so. Absolutely. Cover his trail, learn how it works. Yeah, it feels like not the kind of thing you back into. I don't think I've ever loved anything that much. Commit my life to, like, stealing. Like, that person really loved theft. Yeah, good for that. Wow, what a rush.

We have a couple, actually, more super chats in after the hook. Chase Daniel Plainview. By the way, I feel like a lot of people are very curious about, like, what's the day-to-day life of Chase Daniel Plainview? This is our benefactor. I'd love to hear more. we should do a special episode in the offseason on CDP. It says Mark Murphy is a lonely man loved by no one. Somebody's got to change those diapers.

I mean, yeah, everybody would be lonely if they're just walking around with a dirty diaper all the time when nobody wants to be around them. Hoflax says, Owo Jodal Godel, you must ban this preposterous play. It represents a queer and pleasant danger to the traditions of football. And the legacy of Mott Star.

The funniest part of all that is Bart Star reference. The Barstarr thing is so funny. Yeah. That's very good. Yeah, I mean, the, have you ever thought of like the sicko for a day, co-host thing? Or is that a world year afraid Danner? He's got the money to spend. If he wants to come in and do a full episode super chat, that sounds good to me.

I would love to see your sicko draft of like if you had you know you and Zach's sicko draft no that could be an off-season content there's some content for you interesting is CDP a top three pick for you is that first round talent I can't give away my board I can't give away my board

this draft season yeah absolutely not cousin grace would have to be up there she's very active I can't I'm not saying anything either one way or another I would go Khalif first round talent for me personally polar jams up there I mean there's there's a lot of talent on that board It's a deep, it's a deep draft, but I'm going to let the board come to me and take the best player available.

All right. Thanks everybody for watching and listening. Very exciting. She said I will cancel meetings. Tomorrow, Zach and Fran are going to take it away from Indianapolis at 2 o'clock. And then on Thursday, Zach will be back here and Friday as well. So lots to get to, lots of good stuff. Check it out on all-pHLY.com.

Become a diehard. Fran has an article up right now with a little bit of a preview on the prospects who are going to be there, the big storylines and all that stuff. I'm sure that Zach's going to have much more coming as well. I want to say Fran hit the 200 mark.

I think he just did. Or it might have been mentioned. He's about to hit the 200 profile mark. Oh, well, that's very exciting. His goal is 250. I think he'll get there. I think he will too. All right.

Thanks, everybody, for watching and listening. We will talk to you tomorrow. and as always we love you