PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - NFL Draft Outliers: Why prospects like Tyler Booker, Quinshon Judkins, Jaylin Noel stand out

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

We’re combing through the data on today’s episode of the PHLY Draft Show with Fran Duffy, as we compare the top prospects on the offensive side of the ball to the best players in the league. Why do Tyler Shough, Quinshon Judkins, Jaylin Noel, Emeka Egbuka, Harold Fannin Jr., Mason Taylor, Tyler Booker and Will Campbell stick out like a sore thumb in ways both good and bad? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And welcome to the PHLY draft show with Fran Duffy. We are here finally to talk about the outliers in this year's draft class on offense. Very excited about this episode, Fran. I think it's going to be a good conversation, sort of a facsimile of the conversations that might be happening in the beginning of the draft process in draft rooms as they try to figure out, do these things matter? And we're talking about measurables or production or testing results athletically that might be outside of the scope of.

of what you would expect from an elite prospect. Yeah, and that's what, you know, the longer I've gone through this process, the more I start to think of it as each of these players is, you know, it's like you're making a gamble, right? You're making a bet. You're trying to decide who is a worthwhile bet, you know, with all of these factors that you just laid out and who would scare you off? And at what point are you willing to make that bet?

When are you willing to take that gamble? And it's going to make for interesting discussions. Dare I say, maybe our most fun discussion yet on this show. I think so. let's let's let's let's let's uh over promise you all waited so long to join us for this episode we might as well deliver for you so one thing that i have done over the past few years fran is uh i go back through all of the players it started with the past 10 years i i've kept

the sample since then so it's now about like 14 years or whatever it is but all the players in the NFL who have made either a first team all pro or the initial pro bowl roster so none of those replacement pro bowlers and then you know i go through there if it's a quarterback or a running back or a wide receiver or tight end, there's production stuff. You can get that for pass rushers as well, but also they're athletic testing, their measurements and stuff like that,

and find out what the thresholds are at these positions and are there prospects who are towards the top or bottom end of those things or outside of those, and then let's decide whether that stuff matters. And so let's start a quarterback. Okay. Okay. I want you to sell me on, on Tyler Shuck here because there's a little bit of self-parody here.

And I understand that part of the problem with this exercise now is that the landscape of college football has changed so much. So guys stay a little bit longer. That is a thing. But Tyler Shuck, 25 years old, going to be 25 years old as a rookie. Yep. None of the elite quarterbacks were older than 24.

And if you are going to be 25 years old, I mean, man, you better be elite at something. And Tyler Shuck is going to be 25 years old and his college completion percentage, 63%, 62.7% in his final year. And I'm looking at the other guys who were old. You're talking about Joe Burrow, who completed 76% of his passes,

his final year in college. Jaden Daniels, 72%. The only guys who compare at all, you got to go back like Kirk Cousins and Carson's. and whence. Those guys were both 24 years old, but even they had better touchdown interception ratios. So if I'm going to buy Tyler Shuck at 25 years old with mediocre

production in college, why? Yeah, I mean, honestly, part of it is going to be the nature of this quarterback class in a different class. Maybe he's getting a little bit less shine. I do think that the tape is pretty good this year. If we didn't have this season

with Tyler Shuck, I think you're probably talking about him as a late round option at best. but this year's film has certainly been better than anything else he's put on tape previously with Texas Tech. He came into college as a backup to Justin Herbert in Oregon. So this has got that's been around the block. As you mentioned, the injuries have led to small sample sizes. So that is kind of, I think that that kind of impacts the statistical profile a little bit. But yeah, like even as I'm going through a lot of my metrics, so, you know, looking at some of the next level stuff, whether it's adjusted completion percentage that accounts for.

for drops and throwaways and things of that nature. Like above average this year, you know, 80.5% adjust the completion rate, you know, when he was from a clean pocket and that's solid, but that's not, that's nothing special. I think at the end of the day, a lot of these numbers paint a solid picture, but nothing that you're going to go, oh, man, like, yeah, let me buy in all the way there. And when you factor in the, the medical situation as well, yeah, it makes it, it makes it a tough one to, to bet on. I will say, Cousins is one of the names I wrote down while watching him.

I do think that that's, you know, the ceiling there is of a Kirk Cousins. I wrote down Davis Mills as well. So potential to be a solid starter at the very, very maximum possible outlier, but more than likely a solid backup. That is the other thing with this exercise, right, is the draft is about more than just trying to hit home runs and finding elite players. There is value in guys who fill out your roster. And yeah, maybe the value of a low-end starter in this draft, as you like to remind us, in this draft, which is maybe not so deep, a guy who could be a, you know,

the 20th best quarterback in football at maximum is maybe worth a late first round pick potentially. And also like, honestly, in any class, I would argue that a low-end starter, a quarterback is worthy of that. That's why, you know, in my boards, that will always be reflected as being. But that's if it's a certainty, or if it's like the middle result, you know,

not if you're crossing your fingers and hoping, please God, get me the 25th best quarterback in football. Yeah, I think that when you're looking at it overall, you are taking a gamble here, especially because of the medical situation. Now, the big thing with the medical, right, is that we mentioned there was three season-ending injuries, 2021, 2021, 2022, 2023.

The first two injuries were broken collarbones. So, and that's not, you don't hear about a guy having a chronic collarbone issue, right? That's kind of like a freaky thing, right? Where it's like, all right, like he broke it once and then he re-injured it the following year. And then the year after that in 2023, he broke his leg. So it's not like, oh, man, you got to worry about that knee or it's a degenerative shoulder.

A man, he's drinks of milk. Well, maybe. But that's what I mean when you're looking at it. There's nothing that you would say like, okay, this is a sign for future durability concerns down the road. Yeah, I just, I don't see anything that's like, okay, fine. I'll take the risk for this guy. But, you know, someone else is going to take him if it's my draft room. Yeah, I think that at the end of the day, when we're talking about Tyler Shuck,

that's why I would never like say like, oh, man, like he's a, he's a first round pick. I really like his film. Yeah. I think that he's got some of the best film here in the class, but I could not get on board with drafting him that high for the reasons that you've laid out. You wanted to talk about Jackson Dart. Yeah, you know, with Jackson Dart, I think that it, and look, we're getting a lot of buzz now about him going high in the first round.

You know, we've seen a number of mock drafts now where he is a first round pick. And there are a number of things that do scare me. when you're looking at the profile. There is a lot to like. He was, look, he went out and he executed a very highly schemed offense that does have pro-style concepts. A lot of people think that, oh, it's the Elaine Kiffin, it's spread, it's get the ball out fast. You know, in terms of like how often he threw a screen this past year, how often screen passes were incorporated into the offense. It's only 10.3% of the time.

That's a fine number. We've seen some other quarterbacks kind of, you know, like Trevor Lawrence's was like through the roof when you looked at his profile coming out. And that was one of the things that I worried about with Lawrence was that it was like it was either vertical shot plays or screens and RPO's. And there was nothing like really, you know, in the middle there with Jackson Dart. The one thing that I do worry about, and this was a number, I remember talking about this, it was a conversation I had with Shield Capadia last year in the last draft cycle when it came to Jaden Daniels. And it was how often he scrambles when he's pressured. So there's the one number that goes out or goes around a lot is pressure to sack rate. It's like, all right, how often a sack per pressure,

and that's actually a very good indicator. Darts number on that is pretty good. When you look at how often he is pressured when moved off his spot, it's 43.5% of the time. That is an extremely, extremely high number. And when I go to who are the other quarterbacks that had a number that high, Jaden Daniels is going to be on that list. He actually was number one on that list.

It was 62.4% of the time. But when you look at all the other quarterbacks that were above 40%, we'll say 40%, that is, there's 14 quarterbacks drafted in the last decade. None of these other guys really hit. So you have Jaden Daniels at the very top. That's the outlier.

I'm just going to buzz through the rest. Really quickly. Michael Pratt, Matt Corral, Hendon Hooker, Jacobi Brissette, Jake Rudok, Kellen, Trey Lant, Chad Kelly, Justin Fields, Dorian Thompson, Tommy Stevens, Nate Peterman, Sam Howell. That's the rest of the group.

You had a couple backup quarterbacks in there. all the guys that did somewhat hit were elite athletes. I don't think that Matt Corral is an elite athlete. He's a solid athlete. He can scramble. He can make plays outside the pocket. But how often he stays put and tries to deliver and tries to make those throws once he's pressured? A little bit of a red flag.

So for you, you're letting someone else take him. I mean, certainly as high as what we're talking. Because I think, again, when you're looking at Jaden Daniels and even Justin Fields, there were like A plus traits there, not just from an athleticism standpoint, but from an arm talent standpoint that I think are missing. there when you're looking at what Jackson Dart brings to the table. Do we care about arm length for quarterbacks? There's a bit of an epidemic in this class. Okay.

Well, the arm length thing is weird. I know the arm length thing at the Combine was a thing this year, right? And it actually shows up in all of these numbers. But specifically with Cam Ward, I want to ask you, because he is at the bottom of the arm length threshold, basically, just bigger than Kyler Murray and Brock Purdy. And he's also got small hands. Right. So the only guy

among these quarterbacks who was both at the bottom of hands and arms is purdy. Oh, okay. Who were you going to say? I was going to say Baker Mayfield. I think Baker had... Baker had 30 or maybe Baker hasn't yet

gotten to this threshold. That might be what it is. That's the problem. So I've got Baker at 30 and a quarter which is very short arms and nine and same hand size as Purdy. Yeah, he just hasn't, he hasn't gotten to the pro ball yet.

Yeah, right. And Tua had big hands for his size, but he had the very short arms. Same with Kyle Murray. Yes. But yeah, Cam Ward at 30 and 5 eighths on the arm, nine hands. Do we care about it? No.

To me, like when it comes to all the physical measurement stuff, it's not an issue for me unless it's an issue on tape. And I never had an issue with Cam Ward's ability to control of football and all that. To me, like, that never showed up on film. A couple quick things to buzz through. Jalen Milrow, this goes to the Scouting report. Yep. But 17.4 attempts per game as a quarterback.

Okay. Only Carson Wentz is lower than that among, among this. I like that. I haven't looked at that number. Um, and that speaks to like this is a guy who has a lot of room to grow potentially. Or does it speak to? They didn't trust him to throw the ball. Yeah. I mean, that's with Wentz. It was that was a that was a run heavy offense with Wentz. Yeah, with Wentz. And so, uh, there are that's the thing is that with a lot of these numbers, you have to like get into like the why behind some of it. Um, you know, with, with Alabama with Milro. Some of it is, yeah, he's going to take off and run. Some of it is like, all right,

he came in as a young quarterback. Like did that, did they trust him early? How much did that happen late. There was a new system this year as well. So there's a lot to unpack there. It's a good question. Dylan Gabriel is like a super outlier. I mean, he's teeny tiny for a quarterback, 511, 205, but he also has more games started and, you know, attempts than anybody else in the sample. He's also got a great, you know, statistical record and the completion percentage and touchdown interception ratio. You just think just too limited athletically? I think the physical tools there keep me from getting super excited about the profile to the point where I would say

he's more than a mid-round pickup at best. And then last thing, Shador Sanders, worth saying the best completion percentage of any of these quarterbacks in college. Interesting. Yeah, I think that,

you know, look, that's when you're looking at Shador Sanders, like just purely as a, as a passer, he's extremely impressive. You know, his accuracy,

his ball placement, his toughness. Now, there are things that inside the pocket dealing with pressure that are major red flags. But again, It doesn't always like necessarily pop off, you know, in the numbers.

But it's a lot of, you know, the highs are high and the lows are low with Shador Sanders. Okay. Thank you for the super chat, cash quatch. We will get to that when we get to the tackles and guards. We will discuss your question. Let's go to the running backs here, Fran. And we both looked at Quinn Sean Judkins. Yeah.

I'm curious if it's going to be about the same reason. But, you know, why don't you go first? Okay. Give me one second. Let me pull mine up because I've got one. I actually put it in my notes, which if you are a diehard, you've got access to the draft database. You've got my access to all of my notes here on all of these players. All right.

So, Quinn John Judkins, 62.5% of his college yardage over three years, two years at Ole Miss for Lane Kiffin and then this past year at Ohio State with Chip Kelly. But 62.5% of his yardage this year came against, or over his career came versus light boxes. That's six defenders or less. only eight running backs drafted in the last decade had a higher number than that and only one of them, Ramandre Stevenson who ironically enough is the guy that I actually comped him to in the summer, has found extensive NFL success

as an impactful runner in the NFL. That's fascinating because here's my quinshot Juddkin thing. One thing, this is maybe my favorite thing to look at with running backs. I'm going through and I'm looking at the yards per carry of all their teammates. Okay, so they're running back teammates Over the course of their career

Because that is, it should be an apple A relatively apples to apples comparison Right. All of these running backs in this elite sample, you know, from the NFL over the years, I've got 38 guys. Only three of the 38 in college Had a had fewer yards per carry than their teammates.

And the worst of those was point five, negative point five for Devante Freeman. Quinstein Jenkins over the course of his career, negative 1.1, 1.1 yards per carry away from his teammates. Now, listen, I know that Trevion Henderson is in there, but if he's also facing a high amount of light boxes and getting that fewer yards per carry, I don't know.

Yeah. No thanks. That's interesting. What's, yeah, that's, I see. I like that. That's why you and I didn't talk about these beforehand because I wanted to have natural reactions to it. One of the fun parts about doing these exercises

is we could, you look, you could find like the magic bullet for like a bunch of these. Sure. But when you pair things up, that's when you start to say like, oh, man, like, that's just that, that's a tough hill to climb over. Paring those two numbers together doesn't paint a pretty picture for Judkins. Look, he's going to come off really well from certain analytical numbers because of the way he tested at the combine. Well, that's the other thing.

I mean, his bra jump, it's the best bra jump of the entire sample. Yeah. It's like an inch bigger than Alvin Cameros, who was the higher. And his vertical jump is very good too. So he's explosive, but does that explosiveness play on tape? Not really. Where it does show up, he's got power. And when you're looking at the broad jump,

that is always a good marker for a guy's power, you know, just the explosiveness in that lower half. And for a big, when you have like short area explosiveness that shows up in the 10 yards split and in the broad jump with weight, that is typically when you see like your best powerbacks, right? Like you're Derek Henry's of the world. And Judkins has that. that said like i didn't always love his feel in traffic uh you know you look at some of his

biggest runs this past year for ohio state uh this one play that they ran a handful of times it was they were really they were really nice play calls um from chip kelly would be like all right they would have uh initially it would look like it was going to be some kind of an inside run he would take one step and then go out towards the perimeter towards the sideline and then will how we're just kind of pitching the ball and now he's in wide open space and now he builds up momentum. He gets up to the second level and he's just hard to get to the ground. But working downhill in traffic has not always been like his calling card. And when you pair that with the fact that, again, 63% of his yardage came against those light boxes in his career, a little bit worrisome.

Yeah, I think I'm out on Quinn John Junkin. That high. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. That's going to be, yeah, but. Yeah. So it becomes like, okay, like an understanding of what, what is the role that you would expect from Quinn John, John. If you're saying that he is, is what Jordan Howard became for the Eagles, which was like, all right, like, he's your thunder and a thunder lightning duo. Like, all right, I guess swallow that. Like, in terms of him being like, we'll say like a fourth or fifth round pick, maybe you can swallow that.

But if you're talking about taking him in the second or third round, you need him to be more, you need him to be the foundation of your offense. The light box thing is interesting. Who is the flip side? Is there a player? I would imagine that Ashton Gentie was facing the highest amount of? Ashland Jensi faced a lot of, a lot of heavy boxes. Yeah, so really quickly, I can look at that.

Just give me a second. I will tell you while you look for that, that the two other guys in the top of this draft, or your top 10, 12 running backs who had the negative relation to their teammates, yards per carry. Woody Marks, you know, negative 0.6. He's also, you know, he's a little bit older, and the only older running backs in the sample

are guys who were from small schools. Now, this is one where the landscape of college football matters a little bit, but doesn't look so great, statistically, profile speaking. And then LeQuint Allen, just, just underneath, you know, he's only 4.6 yards per carry from, from his teammates. Gentie is the one that's really, that is the most impressive number there. So 24%, yeah, 24% of his carries came against light boxes.

O'Mary in Hampton is at 41%. So that's a below average number. That's not like a terrible number. But Genti, by far, face the more heavier boxes more often. Do you know who has the best relationship to their team? teammates, they're running backs in yards per carry in this class of the top guys. I'm going to say, just buzzing through real quick. Is it Scadabo?

It is not Scatibo. It is a little bit above. Breschard Smith. Okay. Smith's an interesting profile just because, I mean, four-year receiver at Miami, who then transferred to SMU became a running back. So only a one-year starter at running back and had a big year for a team that went to the playoff.

And he is also light. 510, 194 is the low end of this group. Kyron Williams was there. Philip Lindsay was a little bit under that, but a player who potentially has some upside there. And then the last one I wanted to ask about, is it Bayshall Tutton? Bashal Tutton.

Bashal Tutton. Very explosive. Yes. It is not a huge sample of 10-yard splits that we have for the running backs going back historically, but his is the second best of them all. And it's also the third best, uh, vert.

And he also checks out well relative to, to his teammates. So an interesting statistical profile, short arms, which I don't think we really care about. Right. But not only that. So he had the great athletic testing, which what's funny, like when I went back and studied him in the fall, I remember he had this great track background. He was like a, you know, was a great sprinter, you know, 60 meters. South Jersey guy. Actually, look at Paulsboro, New Jersey, right across the bridge. So Zach is yelling at us right now. Zach's very excited by this. But when I watched him, I didn't see all the time like, all this explosive athlete, but what I did see was his ability to play through contact.

71.6% of his yards came after contact last year. 4.18 yards after contact per attempt. Outstanding number. So when I look at 0.33 mistackles force per attempt, all those are like outstanding numbers. So when you pair the athletic profile with his ability to make people miss and the ability to play through contact, cooking with gas there. I like it. I'm going to look forward to watching him now.

Yeah, I like it too. I compared him to, I had Chase Brown written down. And I also had Jalen Warren written down. Jalen Warren is not known for like his breakaway speed, but just his ability to make people miss kind of stood out when I watched Tooten. All right, let's go to the wide receivers. Okay.

Jalen Noel, one of the more interesting outliers in this class in several ways. Okay. So size-wise, you know, he's five, just over 510, 194. That's on the low end, right? both his hands and arms are very low. Zay Flowers actually sort of brought the floor down on this

because he had really short arms and made the Pro Bowl this year. But he's got the second best vert of all these wide receivers. I mean, you're talking it's Calvin Johnson and then him. He's ahead of Jamar Chase and D.K. Metcalf and he's also got the third best broad jump. But my question is, if he's this explosive, right. 11.7 yards per catch that is so low on this list

it is it is Wes Welker and Antonio Brown that's it everybody else is way above that so if he is this explosive Marvel I know he's an inside player but can we can we see a little bit more explosiveness on the field? Yeah stay with me here for a second because I'm going to look I'm going to look this number up

live as we're going because I will also say that this is a this is a bit of a similar question for Luther Burden, who I know that you do like. And he's only at 11.8 yards per catch and also has small hands for... And this is career number, right? Not just this past year. So Jalen O'L's average depth of target over the course of his career was 8.3.

It was actually 12.2 this season. So the fact that it was still 12... It was only 8.3, but it was 12.2 this season tells you what that usage was over the first three years of his career. And honestly, you could take out a lot of this conversation and apply it to burden. The big thing, though, is you want to be able to see like, okay, how often is he, because we're going to talk about this in a little bit with a different receiver, there's the average depth of target, but then there's also like, how often is he targeted down the field? You know, when you look at certain guys, it's like, okay, well, they got a lot of targets that were close to the line of scrimmage behind the line of scrimmage, and that's going to bring the number down, but they still had a decent amount where they were targeted down the field. You still saw some of those deep balls.

with Noel, that was the case where you still saw a decent amount of those it's just do you have enough to counterbalance and bring that yards per catch number up so that's the big thing there. Yeah, I mean, I guess this is the kind of thing where if you're going to tell me that this is just the offense they run or something like that

and we can unlock something else, maybe I'm willing to believe it, but I don't know, this is one where I would want to know why it doesn't match. So he had he was also, I think I said before, but he's also very low on the hands and arms. Yeah, he was targeted deep on which PFF qualifies as deep as plus 20 yards downfield,

23.4% of his targets this past year, which that would put him right about the 50th percentile of receivers draft in the last year. So that's, you know, that's not terrible. Okay, you want to talk about Tess Johnson? Yeah, actually, this was the one I thought, I believe I changed this to, did I change this to a Mecca?

You have both. Okay, okay, I had both. All right, so the big one, the Tess Johnson outlier thing is, it's kind of self-explanatory. It's a guy that is that small, that light, but that's slow. And this is what I was worried about with Tess Johnson, because when I watched him, I was like, okay, like, he came in, he was listed at 160, he came in at the senior ball 156,

he came in at at the combine in 154. So 154 pounds. And I'm like, okay, like, he has got to run four threes at that size. He can't be 45, he can't, at 154 pounds. You know, they've got the speed, do you remember the speed score? Yeah. It used to be a thing. It was talked about a lot.

It's not brought up as often now. But I actually keep track of speed score just because it's a nice weight adjusted formula. I do it for every single position. And that would be, he ran 4-5-1 at the Combine, Ted Johnson. That would be the worst speed score of any receiver drafted in the last decade. Not only that, I'm fairly certain. I'll double check it. It would be the worst speed score of any player drafted in the last decade.

It's just to be that small, to be that small. slow. That's a tough outlier to overcome. Okay. And then how about a mecha, Egbuka? All right. So here's the thing with Egbuka. This goes to the conversation you were just having, about Jalen Newell. Let me pull up the exact number. So the when you look at Egbuka,

he came in, he's a three year starter. He played four years at Ohio State. The last three years, it was primarily in the slot. We know that, hey, they had Marvin Harrison, Jr., this past year they had Jeremiah Smith. He was constantly robin to another player's Batman. He was always that next guy.

in line there, but he's a really good player. PFF has charted 221 receivers drafted in the last decade. Only 11 of them were targeted less often down the field than Egbuka. So I was talking about how some of those numbers they average depth of the target. That can always

get bought down. Abuka was rarely targeted down the field. 12.6% of his targets. None of those players have ever made a Pro Bowl. The 11 that were targeted less often down the field. So for a guy that's being talked about, it's the top 30s pick, top 35 pick, you were going to have to kind of thread that

needle there. And I like a boot on film. I do think that there's a chance that he just becomes like a solid rotational piece in a receiving core as opposed to even like a really good number two. And I think that that's something that should be taking into account when you're talking about his transition to the NFL. Okay, that makes sense. A couple little little ones tell me if you think they matter. Okay. I don't know that this one really is a big deal. but Elek, Eumanor and Isaiah Bond, 12 touchdowns, 10 touchdowns each. Josh Gordon is the only guy who had fewer touchdowns and he had played like one season or whatever it was.

Yep. I don't know. I'd like to, if you're an NFL caliber wide receiver, I'd like to see you get the pay dirt. Yep. So a couple things. So when you're talking about Isaiah Bond, going back to one of the first stats,

one of the stats he bought up a quarterback. Yeah. He played with Jalen Milrow and average passes again. There were less to go around and he was a complimentary piece last year at Alabama. So that's one thing. Then he got dinged up this year of Texas. So he only played about half the season. So that would impact the sample size there.

I, you matter from from Stanford. Similar kind of deal missed an entire season with an ACL injury. Then came back in 2023. Wasn't 100% until like midway through the year. And then played this full year for a bad Stanford team. You know, going back to Zach's hatred for the for the Cardinal.

Yeah, I think that when you, so there's ways you can explain away that production. Do you care about Travis Sunter's weight if he's a wide receiver? No, I don't. Yeah, 185. It's on the low end. It's on the low end, but he's so gifted. I'm good with that, especially because I think if he had run, we're talking like low 4-4 guy. That wasn't one where I was watching saying like, oh man, like I don't know what that speed, what that speed score is going to look like.

And then I don't want to, I don't want to ding the guy for this, but I just want to say, Matthew Golden, his 429, is faster than anybody else. Like we haven't had any of the guys who were just like the, you know, the, who am I thinking of? Darius Hayward Bay. Like, sell me just on speed.

Those guys haven't really hit all the way. But I'm not holding that against him, but just for the record. Yeah, I mean, you know, when you look at the guys that were, you know, DK Metcalf is the, is 433 is the best in the group. Tyree Kilran 429 at his pro day.

Yeah. But not at that. But we're looking, it's like, okay, Henry Ruggs, Xavier Worthy, John Ross, Anthony Schwartz, Prasad, Param, Mario Alford, Tyquan Thornton, Philip Dorset, Will Fuller, Tyree, Tiree Kill, J.J. Nelson, Rondell, Moore, Danny Gray, Christian Watson. There's some nice players mixed in there, but it's a lot of guys that did not turn out. Okay. All right, let's go tight end.

Tight end. Oh, what a great class of tight ends this is. Oh, that's good. Some of these profiles are not so great. Okay. This was the one where it really was like, thinking back to the first episode, we're like, you gotta know, like, in this draft, in this draft,

and I'm like, but at tight end at least, all these guys have all, like it all the red on this spreadsheet here. Okay, what do you got? The one I'm gonna start with is actually not based on athleticism or anything like anything else. Harold Fanon Jr. This is a different thing at tight end

where compared to all the other positions, tight end is one of the two, where the highest percentage of these guys come from big schools, Power 5 schools. Yeah. Okay, so now, Trey McBride entered the sample this year.

Julius Thomas, if you go all the way back. And then Travis Kelsey, who is in the 8th. Cincinnati. So Harold Fanon Jr.'s production, amazing, and actually is the best.

Yes. Crazy production. After Brock Bowers now. But why do you think that is? At tight end. Why do you think tight end it's like all the guys from the elite schools. That's a good question.

I think that it's one, we talked about this before the combine where that is also a sneaky like traits position where you need height, weight, speed, strength, like you need all of that stuff to kind of add up in your favor. And obviously those guys typically are going to come from your bigger programs.

It might also just be sample. You know, there's kind of a, I would imagine that there's less names, there's fewer names from this. group than you know compared to wide receiver right a smaller that's true that's true that's probably the other one that come to mind okay um let me how about 40 times for for tight ends okay so all the all the guys in this group uh now brock bowers ran a 472 right Zachertz ran a 4776 right those are the two slowest um in the whole group every one of the tight ends in your in your top

10 who ran the 40 at the combine right was slow yep was 473 or slower you got a fan who ran 4773, Jake Briningstool, who ran 475, Jackson Hawes, who ran 483, Maliki Mataveo, 483, Gunner Helm, 493, and Gavin Bartholomew 473. So Helm... Which is slow pokes. Yeah, well, Helm did it on the, on the ankle, he sprained his ankle, so that, I had to throw that one out. The top three guys of the position didn't work out. Yeah. So, you know, okay.

But this is the best tight end class we've ever seen. Yeah, I mean, look. On sundials. Let me look at real quick, one thing, because the other aspect of it is when I look, so really quickly, I do the same thing with like the color coding for my, for my 10 year thing. And typically the way I look at it, instead of looking at the wrong numbers, I will look at the weight adjust. And I'll say like, okay, like the speed score. All right. How many of those?

Matt of Veyo in particular. He's, you know, he's 666 260. It's okay that he's around a 483 to me. All right. So Fanon Jr., his weight adjust score below average, when it's the 14. was below average. Browning stool, bad. That was running a 4-7-5.

2-41 is bad. Yeah, that's not good. Jackson Hall is not good. No. It didn't run well. Mataveo, 97-1. Yeah, that's fine, but that's still not. That's below average.

Gunner Helm, we just said to kind of throw that one out. Bartholome, it was the other. Not a great, not a great test run from the 40-yard dash time for the, for the tight-end group. I'd agree. Maybe, maybe the, maybe the clock was slow that day. Yeah, might have been. Okay.

A few more things. Okay. Production-wise. Yes. We've talked about Arroyo. Elijah Arroyo. You have said, you know, he didn't really do anything until this year. The injuries, yeah.

But a bunch of injuries, it should be said that of the tight ends who actually played tight end in college, like for real. So we throw out Jimmy Graham. We throw out Jordan Cameron. That's the fewest amount of receiving yards except for George Kittle. No, George Kittle. Right. It's a good story.

Brining stool is like all kinds of red flags. His size, his hands. his arms, his speed, his vert, his, his yards per carry. Now yards per carry is an interesting one. Briningstool is at, sorry, yards per catch. 10.9. Mason Taylor, 10.1. Both of those lower than everybody in the sample except for Jordan Cameron again. Interesting for briningstool.

Both, browningstool and Mason and Mason Taylor. Yeah, Taylor's a tough profile, man. It's really interesting because I think that there certainly is ability there and he had a good combine workout like he didn't do, he didn't do any testing, but the like the position workout was good. I thought he was solid at the senior bowl. I just feel like there's something there's something missing there. He's one that would fit in the category that

we talked about. It was the last week, the week before we were like, are you scared that you're missing? Like, who are the guys that you're worried about? He's one where I'm like, I need to go and watch a little bit more because I feel like everybody else is higher on him than I am, but I know the times I've studied him, there's something missing there.

And then last one, Jackson Hawes, I mean, I know that you're not, he's a certain player. He's a certain type of player, but you know, am I using a real pick on a player who is bringing nothing to the table as a receiver. Look, some of those guys that bring nothing to the table as a receiver get paid on the open market. So, you know, it's just, that's why he's high there for me because I do think that he has the ability to be like one of those like, like elite blocking tight ends. I can really quickly just tell you like who are the, the guys that I feel like kind of fit that

mold that, you know, I feel like he can be. I mean, Josh Oliver got seven million a year from the Minnesota Vikings. Luke Farrell just got paid. almost $7 million a year by the 49ers to be that guy. You know, Ian Thomas was $6 million a year from Carolina a couple of years ago. You know, Brock Wright, the Detroit Lion, signed it to be tight end too. He's over $4 million a year. Like, those guys get money. I think he can bring value.

Do you care about Tyler Warren's short arms? No. Without thinking about it, no. Give me a second, though. 31 and 3 quarter that is tied for the lowest in the group with Zach Hertz. Okay. So let me look real quickly. So where's he at?

He's at 31 and a quarter? Yeah, 31 and three quarters. 3 and 3 quarters. So Dalton Schultz was pretty low. Yeah, there's not a lot of guys that have the short arms of that position that were got. Harrison, the New Eagle Harrison Bryant,

really low on that list. There you go. 35ths, fourth shortest of any tight-end draft in the last decade. Very exciting. Did you have another 10 in here? Did I miss that? Oh, you had Jackson-Hawz, but that's...

Jackson-Haw. Yeah, that's the difference of player. All right. All right. Let's go to the offensive line. Okay, this is a big one. This is a big one. I want to start with Will Campbell. Okay.

I don't want to harp too much on arms. But it is, at 32 and 5 eighths, the shortest of any of these all-pro tackles is 33, which was Ray Sean Slater. And I don't know, does that show up on tape? Do you think he has to move to guard? So one of my first projects I did, this is actually like the fourth time

I've said this on an all-city show this week. Okay. Everybody's asking about Will Campbell. So one of the first things I did after the combine after we got the official measurement was, okay, let's just, let me just go back and just watch. PFF has this thing of the true pass sets where it's eliminate play action, screens, RPO's,

like all the things where it's like, okay, like it affects the pass rush drop. And it's just pure dropbacks. So one of the things that I always pull is how often is a player asked to do it and then what does he do when he's asked to do it. Okay. Okay.

So of all the tackles drafted in the last decade, Will Campbell is number one and how often he was asked to just do a pure pass set, 39%. That's interesting. Number one, in all of those pass rush sets, he was credited with zero sacks allowed.

Pretty good. Yeah. Now, the other thing about it, the other thing about it too, and the other thing about it too, when you look at and we can talk about like offensive we talked about like pressure conversations

and stuff like that because that can be wonky with offensive linemen and defensive linemen. That said, it's what we have. Typically when you're looking at the guys that come in on the offensive line and play early so they play as true freshmen, all of these numbers are going to look bad.

They're not going to look good. Those guys are 18 years old, 17 years old. They come in and they're asked to block 20, 21, 22 year olds and they struggle. They give up pressures. They give up sacks. They give up penalties. Will Campbell came in as a day one starter at LSU was a starter from day one in training camp.

Zero sacks allowed in those areas. Was a captain in year two. Just didn't give up any production in the SEC. Think of all the great pass rushers in the SEC the last three years. And he shut them down. I'm just like that's a bet I'm willing to take. That's a bet I'm willing to take.

Okay, that's good. I feel like that. You won that conversation. In the draft room, you, that didn't move the needle too much. I think that's a good job. Some other guys with short arms, Tell me if you're concerned about these.

Now, Arionte, Arionte Ursary, for a big guy to have short arm, like a big guy like that is a little bit concerning to me, potentially, maybe more so. How short were the arms there? 33 and 8th. It's not terrible.

That's the 20th percentile. That's not ideal. Miles Frazier, 32 and three quarters is on the low end. He's not a low guard anyway, but that's going to be low for a guard. And then Marcus Boe is a worrisome one to me, because 32-inch arms, which is way below. Yeah.

But he's also light at 303 pounds. So if you're thinking, can he kick to guard, that that's also a projection. Can he hold up physically there? He is a zone guard. For sure. Some people view him as a center.

I actually am probably going to end up moving him to my interior line group for that. That makes sense. After getting those measurements, I think that's where I'm going to end up putting him. He has said that he has worked a little bit on snapping. If memory serves, he did a little bit of that in Mobile,

just to kind of work through that. Yeah, he did get some center snaps in Mobile. I think I'm going to have to move them to the interior line group overall. Okay. What about Donovan Jackson? Will you move him inside? No, I think I'm going to keep him tackle.

Shortest tackle in the group? Yep, shortest tackle. The fact that I may have thought about it had we not seen what we saw at the end of the season where because of Josh Simmons injury at left tackle, they ended up kicking Jackson out to left tackle. And he did really well against, you know, down the, in the playoffs, down the stretch in the regular season, held up well. So I'm going to keep him with my tackle guard group,

even though he's going to be a guard. He's got more of tackle flex than center flex. Okay. Shout out to Cameron Williams. Biggest hands. Bigger hands than Tyrant Smith, 11 and 3 eighths. Big old hands.

Big Mitz. I was thinking of the Lane Johnson tweet when he'd go on it. The easier to hold with, I guess. When his first child was born, he posted like the picture, the baby's hands were ginormously. Big old hands. I think of with Cameron Williams.

I will ask you about Anthony Belton and Josh Connerly in like an hour when we're on the Eagles show. Because the Eagles have brought both of those guys in for visits. They both have, well, I'll ask you about him now. Belton's a big fella. Yeah. Right. And Connerley stands out the vert

would be the second best of any of these guys. So there's some explosiveness there. Yeah, I think different archetypes of offensive linemen, unique and unusual in their own ways. Connerly, more so for the athleticism, really light feet. you know, he needs to get stronger. That's his big thing.

We all saw like the extreme low light clip from the senior ball where Mike Green just obliterated him in that pass rush rep. But even when you're watching him on film, the anchor is the question there with Connerly. Analytical numbers are pretty good on him overall. Like just did not give up a ton of pass rush productivity over the course of his career.

When you're looking at Belton, he is much different. 5-26.40. Yes. He, I mean, 336 pounds. So that actually, and the 52640 is actually not a terrible number. It's a low average. And the speed scores an average number at 878.

Okay. So he's the second heaviest guy after Orlando Brown Jr. Got it. Okay. Yeah. This is a big, he is more of your Mackay Beckton style of player. He's not as explosive as Beckton was coming out of Louisville.

That's why Bechtin was a top 10 pick. But that's the, that's the archetype of player. And then last thing, Charles Grant. Just decision making. Why are we going to, if not everybody's doing the bench press, why are we doing it if we're only getting 19 reps? Yeah, especially.

I mean, he's got, look, he's got longer arms. You know, so there's, I know that there are some teams that will do, have a formula of like arm length with bench press reps and trying to find like, all right, like to try and give you some kind of a strength score there. Because obviously you're pushing weight further if your arms are a little bit longer. Who is the, uh, the, the former Eagle Center that, uh, David? Oh, David Mulk. David Mulk.

He's got the bench press, or he had the bench press record. Yeah, that's right. He's got like 30 inch arms, right? So, yeah, I mean, honestly, and this isn't, there's no like analytical number on this, but for the Charles Grant profile,

the thing that is most worrisome because he didn't do anything at the combine other than the bench press. What are we doing, dude? I know, but he did, so he didn't do anything at the, at the combine. He didn't do anything at the senior bowl and he's coming from a lower level of competition.

Right. So, like, to not have him, It's not necessarily, like we're going to get test scores on him at some. I would imagine during like the pro day, we're going to get test scores. But being able to watch him go through drills next to guys from Alabama, Oklahoma, USC. You know what I mean? Like being able to just kind of see that, I think is more. We said the same thing last year about Vince's guy, Karen Amagaji from Yale.

He did the same thing. He couldn't because of injury. Like couldn't go through the pre-draft process for a small school guy. That's just that's a little worrisome. good opportunity to circle back to that super chat from our friend Cashquatch who says we always hear he'll be a guard at the next level so a guy who's projected to go from tackle to guard at the next level are there any tackle prospects who can't play guard for some reason

thinking about the Eagles pipeline in particular where you're looking for the eventual lane replacement who could play right guard right away yeah so here are the things that you would say like all right that would prevent you from being able to play guard um things happen faster inside So if you're worried about a guy's like mental aptitude and be able to like react to like stunts and twist, things happen faster at guard than they do at tackle. You would say that a guy needs to move into tackle

if he doesn't have like the foot quickness to be able to get to the edge, right? But if a guy is a, you think of like an Andre Dillard where he struggles to anchor. Right. Moving him into guard is not going to help that. So like when we talk about like Josh Connerly, some people have felt like, oh, Josh Connerly,

he might have to move into guard because of arm length or some people have said that's been talked about if you have an issue holding up against bull rushers against a 255 pound bull rush from an edge rusher that's not getting better against a 305 pound defensive tackle right and so

that's how I felt about Jordan Morgan last year he goes to the senior bowl and he has got no anchor at tackle and then they draft him moving to guard like that's not going to work and so like some teams are like all right well we can we can give him more help at guard we're a zone team and we're a run heavy team so you can kind of mask that a little bit

that's why some people will say all right that guy immediately has to go to center because that can get mitigated a little bit at center you can hide that you can hide your anchor a little bit more at center because you're not necessarily always dealing with guys that have that disruptive ability at nose tackle unless you're going up against Dexter Lawrence

or you know and the Vita Vaya like that two players in the league that have that ability to line up on the nose and immediately bench pressed guys five yards deep into the pocket But, um, so Connerly would be the guy from this draft class, so you would be a little bit hesitant to, to think could just kick right inside and be fine. Uh, yeah, Marcus Bow is one. Yeah, that would put in the reason from Purdue and we talked about him. Um, no one's really talking about with Kelvin Banks, but that would be an issue for me of Kelvin.

I'm worried about Kelvin Banks is his, uh, his, his anchor. This is the left tackle from Texas. Um, a lot of people are very high on him. He was being talked about as a top five pick through most of the fall. I'm going to be honest, I've done like three pass-throughs on Kelvin Banks. I've never once felt like, oh, yeah, this is the kind of tackle you're drafting that high. The anchor, a big reason why for that one. Just buzzing through real quick. Yeah, I think everybody else, I think I'm okay there. Armand Membu was another one that had been talked about because his arm length was brought in the question.

He came in at 33 and a half, not ideal, but that's not, I don't think that that's prohibitive. And I think, honestly, his anchor was honestly pretty good. I never once saw him overwhelmed. So he could play into guard if you need them to, but I think he'll be fine to tackle as well. All right, let's close out with the interior guys. Okay. And we'll go with the guy who's, you know,

the consensus top interior offensive lineman, Tyler Booker, 6-5-321. Stands out for a few reasons. He's got, I mean, he's got long arms and big hands that are at the top end of this sample, but he's also, you know, very low on the broad, very low on the 10-yard split and the 40-yard dash. So that sort of paints the picture of what I'm

expecting the player that he is, right? This is a big ugly who can't move that well. Yeah. Is that fair? I think that's fair. I would not have expected that he was going to go in and he was going to light the combine on fire. He would have been a trust-to-ta-tape type of player for me.

I'm just looking at RAS, so the relative athletics, relative athletic score from Math-Bomb. Shout-out to Math-Bomb on social media. Shout-out to Math-Bomb. Shout-out to Science Bomb, language arts bomb, all the subjects. All the stems. then when you're looking at

who are the guys that have a sub 5 RAS I've got from the interior offensive line I've got 20 guys and I'm seeing a handful that became starters so it's not a huge it's not a it's not a huge red flag but it's but I will say

so there was only one first round pick in that group that was Laken Tomlinson and Laken Tomlinson really quickly yeah I mean his testing was better across the was better across now he wasn't as heavy. That's the, that's the big one.

That's the thing is when I'm looking at the RAS, a lot of these guys weren't the big uglies. A lot of these guys were like modestly sized players that just like didn't have, but like Ben Powers is one, who was a day three pick out of Georgia, or no, out of Oklahoma. And then, you know, he became a solid starter

in the NFL. Ted Carras from Illinois became a longtime starter at center. Yeah, but the other thing too, and I got to see that I don't think the numbers have come through in terms of, of a pro day workout. I don't know if he's going to try and improve on some of those numbers.

And he might, and if he does, that's going to change what the profile looks like. Okay. So if you are sort of scheme dependent for him, you think? Yeah, and that's why, like,

the team he was most often mocked to before the combine was Miami. Not in a million years when I watched him that he was going to play in that system. Now, Chris Greer has drafted a lot of those big, ugly guards and had success with those guys but not when Mike McDaniel is the head coach.

So I think that if you're looking at that, like that system never really made sense for me. But there are other teams, right? Yeah, like that would absolutely meant. Honestly, like if he were on the board for the Eagles at 32, I would see him as being a fit for what Jeff Stoughton wants. That makes sense. Yeah.

And also, by the way, like A plus intangibles. Everybody raves about. Booker. Yeah, like heartbeat of that offense. Like he was the guy, he was the ringleader of that whole group. Yeah, I've heard like good stories about Tyler Booker. Yeah, boy, Gray, Zable. Yep.

Best vertical jump if you're counting him as a guard of all the elite guards. And he's also, I mean, he's big for the position. Do you include our guards and centers together in yours? I have two separate ones. Got it, got it. The best vert, though I think he would still have the best. Got it. So if you're looking at both of them.

Okay. Jared Wilson, good 40 at 484. Big hands, 10, 3,4. And Jackson Slater also stands out as the high end of hands and weight. He's a good player. You like a Slater. I like a Slater. How do you feel about a Jonah Monheim?

I like Monheim. I think that there's a chance that he's probably a better... I mean, he's got Mulk arms. Yes. More athletic than Mulk. Okay. I played tackle. I mean, that's the thing is he played tackle up until this year.

He didn't move to center until this past season and did pretty well playing tackle. Like didn't look completely out of place. Moved to center this year and immediately took over all the pre-snap stuff. Like, very, very impressive there. for Jonah Monheim, has played some guard as well. So you're talking about a player that has theoretical five position flexibility in the NFL, which is very valuable.

I do think that in terms of range of outcomes, it's probably most likely that he's like a high-end backup as opposed to a low-end starter. But I do think that he's got starting potential. And then last one, Seth McLaughlin. Yeah. For centers, he's got the best broad. He does have very short arms. And he's also, if you just talk about guards,

it would also be towards the best of the broad jumps with Evan Mathis. He did testing? McLaughlin? According to our draft guide. Maybe somebody, maybe there's a mistake in there. You have 115 inch broad jump. 34 inch vert.

You think that's a miss? I think that might be. Uh-oh. He tore his ACL in like October. Congratulations. What a recovery. I was going to say, I don't know about it.

Where did that come from? What did testing? Check on that one. on. Just make sure I might, it's possible that I'm messed up here. I did not put the numbers that they combine numbers in.

Of course. Your hands are clean. There's no blood on your hands. Real quick. Hold on, loading. Do, do, do, do. All right, here's the thing

from NFL. The Wi-Fi is not as good in this room. Right, yeah. Studio. We need that Studio B Wi-Fi. Yeah. I don't think you.

It's a mistake. Cross Seth McLaughin off your list. yeah because he tore his ACL and like practice in like November okay yeah there you go Baldiani friend

Superchat wants to know who was your favorite guy to do so far should we do the last few days sure okay one sec um actually there's an easy way for me to do this

one second I'm gonna sit back and relax now I don't have to reach out to the laptop I can really relax okay uh my favorite guy I've watched in the last few days.

So I just go to the draft database. I can sort by the big board ranking. You won't know unless you come into the studio, just how deep these chairs are. It's difficult, you know? If I sit all the way back here, it's a little bit lazy looking, but I know. That's the only here, you know.

I was very cognizant during the post game show, during the season of trying to make sure I didn't do that. And I'm sure I'm looking terrible right now. I think you look fantastic. All right. So I've watched a few players. So I watched Jacob Parrish, the corner from Kansas State. He ended up being my CB10 after watching him yesterday.

He's a good player. Dane's a big fan. I haven't texted Dane about him yet. Not sure. Dane. Dane Bruegler, our friend from the athletic. Dane's really, really high on him. I just finished up my study on him.

I think he's a nice player. There's a lot to like from like an explosiveness standpoint, good speed. I think he's tricky because he's one of those corners. You know how I'm picky when it comes to my corners. He's got really good instincts from off, but he's really aggressive in press, and he's got great speed. So there's like a press man skill set,

but I don't think he like, his route instincts when he's hip to hip running with a guy vertically down the field, he gives up a lot of separation on those plays where a guy like puts his foot in the ground and breaks backward on a comeback route or inside on a dig. turned around really easily there.

I think he sees things better when he's playing from off coverage. He says that he likes playing man more than zone. So it's kind of a tricky. He's played some inside and outside. I think he could be a really good nickel. There's a wide range of outcomes there would take a parish.

Put that on the coaches. Like you got to trust your coaches to get that right. I gave him a higher grade than I like. So like him more than Jada Barron. We talked about that one. I've done, I did Jammari Cald well, 6-330-pound defensive tackle.

Okay. You would think, 6-2-3-30, oh, this guy, like, he's a nose. He actually has, like, some three-technique capability. He's got the ability to get up field. I really disruptive player from Oregon. I only played there one year, was at Houston before that, but studied his tape in-depth for the first time, and I really liked what I saw there.

I've done a lot of, like, back checks on pass rushers. So going back and rewatching, a lot of those guys. Actually, no, I've got, this is this one. And he was not at the combine, so he wouldn't show up in your, this is a great, this is a great way to close this show. Willie Lampkin. Okay. Do you have, do you got anything on a Willie Lampkin at all?

No. Okay. He's played five years, five year start along the offensive line. First at Coastal Carolina, then he transferred to UNC for the last couple of years. He goes to the Super, or to the Senior Bowl. I had not watched him yet. He was a late call up to the senior bowl. The measurements come out,

and I thought it was a typo. Because he came in listed, let me just pull up my numbers here, rather than read him off the death ride. All right, so he came in in Mobile at 510 and 3 eighths. Oh, I already love this. 270 pounds.

No. I was like, okay, like, wrong, wrong position. Is he his center? So he played guard at North Carolina. Okay. He played right guard there. For context, there has not been, again, we're talking about just the elite of the elite. And you're not only drafting him to be elite.

The shortest offensive linemen at any position who has made a pro bowl or anything is 6-2. Yep. Rodney Hudson and Tyler Linderball. Yeah. My shortest guard center Shortest interior alignment drafted in the last decade was 607

So just under 6'1 He's 510 and 3 eighths And the lightest The lightest is Kelsey at 280 And of course he had food poisoning Right The lightest I have in the last 10 years drafted 295 and again

270 All right So that's the context for Willie That's the context going in He made my all-practice team Man that guy is fighting for his life out there No I thought I was like Oh man

like he's gonna have some ugly reps. Dude, he was so good at the senior, at the senior, why did they get up to the combine? Because, I think because of the size. I think the side of that they just ruled him out. And they were like,

yeah, like he's not, he's, he's not a guy we're gonna invite to end. I love it. He, there was a rep in the senior ball where, hold on,

let me pull it. I actually want to pull it because I don't, don't have it here. There was one where he, I think, I think, so a defensive tackle went to, like, throw like a hump move at him,

just like basically went full club, right hand hook to the face. dude, he took his right hand and went like right under his face mask and then threw him to the ground and then stepped over him after. I was like, I love this guy. I love this guy. And so I just so because he didn't get invited to the combine, I didn't study him before the senior ball. So I didn't get to him until this past week. I think he could be a starting center. Yeah? I do. He do. He is so he's got 60, 61 starts more than any, uh, offensive lineman draft in the last decade. 4,100 snaps. played in college more than any offensive lineman draft in the last decade. Played at North Carolina the last two years. Zero sacks allowed, four hits allowed

in those two seasons combined, playing at guard. Really athletic, outstanding competitor, has played all three interior offensive line spots. Again, probably going to be a center only in the NFL, you know, at that size. He's a really smart pass protector in that he knows, okay, I can't, so there's there's different,

past sets, right? I'm speaking to the audience. There are different kinds of past sets. You can vertical set where you're, you know, literally moving backwards. You think of Lane Johnson. He likes to, you know, like a set vertically. Then there are like your quick sets, your jump sets where you are almost horizontal. So you think of the, the Howard Mudd, offensive

lineman. It was like, all right, I want to get out to this guy. And the thought process is if you are 270 pounds, if you vertical set, you are giving the offensive line, all kinds of momentum, all times of time to get on top of you and honestly like build momentum until he's going to run through you.

So he is so good with his quick sets and his jump sets. He's on guys fast in pass protection and doesn't let them build on. So I never saw him overwhelmed. Never once saw. There were a couple of reps in the senior ball where it's like, oh, like, you know, that was rough. He had one rep in the run game on the goal line against Josh Farmer, who's a defense tackle from Florida State in this class where Farmer just ragdolled him and threw him to the ground and made the play.

And I'm like, all right, he's going to have those ugly snaps. but dude he's so good in the run game I love this guy he's a certain kind of player but think about it he's I mean listen he's been dealing with this that entire time he's been the littlest guy already

he knows you know undefeated state champion wrestler in high school in Florida 2A 2A so not the biggest schools but 2A at Lakeland High School which is a good football school first team all ACCC last year in this draft

First round. At 270. So here's the thing too. When I body typed and when I was like, I want to see what it looks like. He looks like he's maxed out. Like I don't think he's getting a lot bigger. I don't think he's getting to like $2.95. He is going to be like in the 270s.

So he's either going to be like the most outrageous outlier or he's going to have to move. Like honestly, that's why I felt watching him at the senior ball. I'm like, all right. Maybe he doesn't play offensive line. but he might go beat Patrick Ricard. Like he might be like a move tight end and just be like just a killer as a fullback and it'll be a lot of...

The guy you want on your team. Guy you want on your team. I love this. Oh man. I'm so glad that you asked that this question was asked so that I could remember to bring up Willie Lampkin. That's perfect. What a way to end this episode.

Fantastic. Willie Lampkin. He's going to be the official offensive lineman of this show. He's going to be in the top 100, I think for... Really? I think so... If he's not, he's going to be just... He's in like the top 1, 25, 130.

Because I was sitting there, I'm like, I think he's going to become a starter. I love it. Fantastic. Yeah, that's fine. I thought out to Willie Lampkin. All right. Thanks, everybody for watching this episode of the PHLY Draft Show with Fran Duffy. We will be back next week.

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