PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Nick Sirianni, Jalen Hurts speak: What’s next for Super Bowl champs?

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

With Kevin Patullo installed as the new offensive coordinator, Jalen Hurts is once again charged with learning a new offense, this being the fourth time in five years under Nick Sirianni. The Super Bowl MVP spoke to reporters for the first time this offseason, reflecting on a busy offseason and what the standard is now for the Eagles after last year’s rousing success. Sirianni, fresh off his new contract extension, also addressed what lies ahead for him and the Super Bowl favorites. Join Zach Berman and Bo Wulf, who are on the scene. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast presented by True Mark Financial Credit Union. I am here, Bo Wolf, at the Novocare Complex. Zach Berman is here as well, and he was presented with a difficult choice. At about 155, Jalen Hertz wraps up his press conference. Nick Siriani has not spoken yet. And so the choice for Zach is the show or the coach. The show or the coach? As you can see, I am alone. He chose the coach over the show. We expect to see Zach at some point in a little bit. No promises. Could be a solo bolo show today. And so I'll tell you what we did here at the November Care Complex today. First time we have spoken to any of the coaches or players this offseason, aside from, you know, Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani during that pre-draft, post-draft situation. We heard from AJ Brown, we heard from Jordan Milata, and we heard from Jalen Hertz. A.J. Brown started it off. And it has been an eventful offseason for him, got married or engaged, rather. Zach asked him how he goes about booking John Legend for such a personal appearance. Just reached out. John Legend went to Penn. He's a Philly guy. My favorite thing that A.J. Brown said was when he was when he was was asked about the tush push because we know that tomorrow the owners will be voting on whether to ban the tush push.

They've got this new language. Roger Goodell making it very clear that this play is untoward and he can't have it anymore. And AJ Brown very nonplussed. Like he goes, it's only one yard, which probably sums up months of NFL conversation better than anybody else could have. So I appreciated that from him. He was asked about not going to the White House. He said it was a personal thing that he had that day. It happened to be a lot of overlapping schedule personal conflicts for about half the Eagles roster. But that's what he said. And of course, he was asked about Kevin Petulow, the new offense. He said he and Kevin Petulow have had a very good relationship since he's come to Philadelphia. We know that Petulow has been here. and he's looking forward to seeing what this offense is going to look like. He said that Kevin Petulow has a very good command of the room when he is talking to the room. And he also said, as much as they would like to think, you know,

they're putting in the bones for what this offense is going to look like. They have no idea what it's going to look like until they see how defenses play them. And I think his expectation is that a little bit more is going to go on the passing game this season. and obviously he embraces that. He said he also was very happy for Nick Siriani, getting that multi-year contract. Very funny that both AJ Brown and Jordan Milata were asking the reporters for specifics

about the contract that Siriani got. How long? How much money is he getting paid? Apparently they are on our side where we need a little bit more insight into what these coaching contracts are. But he said, he texted Nick. He said he's going to be here as long as he's here.

So there you go. All the more reason to keep Nixiriani as long as possible. That means you get A.J. Brown as long as possible. And I know that I am anti-mailbag. And you know that I am anti-mailbag. However, I will say, because I am so low, I am open to answering questions today. They don't have to be super chats. Just shoot in my way. Because otherwise, what am I going to do here? I have no idea. After AJ Brown, we heard from Jordan Milata. And he, and he, He also began by shouting out Nick Siriani and said that he has done a phenomenal job building the locker room culture. A little bit of a broken memory from Milana said that he referenced the flowers thing that Nick Siriani had said, which he got so much got so much guff for. But he said it was his second press conference. I don't believe that that's correct. I think it was in the middle of the season when he was talking about planting those flowers.

obviously the team was I think was up for the Raiders game and they sprouted big time but he shouted them out appreciate that and then he said oh I mean you know you want to talk about who's a teammate like who can who has your back in crunch time he's a fox bowl guy he got brand duffy just popping in because he sees he sees his friend flailing come on I mean I can't I can't leave you hanging here I figured if you're going to try and hold the fact that you stooped so low is to say I'm willing to do a mailbag. I knew that you were done. I didn't say mailbag.

I said I would answer some questions. Oh, we got a friend. We got a Francis. Great to see you, my friend. Election Day, schools are closed. Yes, we have that as well. Who did you vote for, Francis? Who you voting for?

Better left on set. What do you plan? Pokemon. Nice. Pokemon sword. Okay. Like that. All right.

So how to go? How was it? How was it? being able to, you know, you guys talk with a bunch of players today, right? Not a bunch. We talked to AJ, Milata, and Jalen. I don't know if there was anybody else coming before Siriani, but Zach is hanging around for Siriani. So, you know what?

It's good to, it's good to see where his, where his allegiances lie. Not that we ever had any doubt, but, you know. Look, if we had any, if we had any hope to get Nick to come onto the show, he's got to make sure he meets him there as well. So that's, I sympathize. I guess that's fair. So I was talking about what AJ said. Yep, nothing super crazy. Mila was also, you know, very much downplaying me.

The push discourse said, you know, our job doesn't really change either way. It's not our, and we can't control what players are allowed. They'll let us know what we need to do, all that stuff. One thing that did occur to me is he was sort of trying to downplay the idea of a right guard competition, but more just from like a he didn't want to give anything away. But like this is going to be a kind of classic training camp competition, I expect, whether that is it's just Tyler Steen and Kenyon Green or if there are other players involved. And you think back to like Jordan Milana's life has changed ever since he was in,

like he was in a real true training camp competition with Andre Diller to become the starting left tackle. And obviously he won. and ever since, you know, he's become a multi-millionaire and he's on all of these shows. He's like he's a pop culture figure. He's a Super Bowl champion. Like so much has changed. And so I wonder like, you know, what he,

it's not going to be the same thing for a right guard. A left tackle is a little bit different. But, you know, if he has any reflections on that or advice for, you know, Tyler Steen and Kenyon Green as they approach, you know, what is a big deal this summer. Sure. Well, let me ask. this you were i would be remiss if i didn't mention uh as zach always always points out that you were ahead of the curve when it came to the tyler steen mckeye beckton dynamic last summer just like i was

out of the curve how do you look at this group uh at that pairing right now when you look at tyler steen and uh and kenyon green versus the field uh what's your what's her gut tell you obviously before we see the pads on with this group i don't feel as strongly as i did last year in either direction um i just I get the sense that they just don't love Talastine in the building. I think Tyler Steen is going to get the first shot. Now, Kenyon Green was traded and discarded

by the team that drafted him as a first round pick for a reason. But I think the Eagles would love for a better option to present itself than Tyler State. And that's sort of how I feel about it. How about you? Yeah, I think that the, because I think what happens is when, and I get what you're saying in terms of like the, the feelings toward Tyler Steen internally.

I think that a lot of our viewers, a lot of the listeners, when they hear that, they think, oh, they hate Tyler Steen. I don't think that they hate Tyler Steen. I think that what maybe you're saying, like, all right, like, not that you're saying, but they're, what they want is, all right, we want, we want him to kind of step up and kind of take over, you know,

that job. And I don't know that he's in that position to necessarily do that. I think that there are still plenty of people that do like Tyler Steen in that building, but ideally you have somebody that is able to come in and challenge him for that, I'm going to be honest. I think I'm more excited. I don't know if you got the sense when we did the film room, the film session, you know, back earlier in the spring. I think I've got more juice for Kenyon Green right now than I had for Mackay Bechton last year. I think they... Oh, interesting. Yeah, I think the flashes with Green based off of 2024 film, to me, like, had me a

little bit more excited than what I saw from Bechton in the previous year. So I'm fascinated to see what that looks like as we get into the summer. And listen, you know that like Stoutland loves guys who have those like outlier physical tools, which Kenyon Green does. And if anybody is going to get the most out of him, it's going to be Jeff Stoutland. And so I think you could probably easily convince yourself that the ceiling is higher there. And so, yeah, I would, you know, water gun to my toe, I would probably lead in that direction. Yeah. Yeah, that's going to be, that'll be one of the, I don't know, like three most interesting, like,

storylines as we get into training camp. You look at linebacker, you look at safety, and you look at that spot. I think those are the three headliners there. And is there anybody else who you think is even worth considering there?

I don't think so. Yeah, I guess, because what I think you have is, I do think that Talerstein gives you a baseline. Yeah, right. Like, I think he gives you a fine floor

and there's maybe what the disappointment is that there is not a little bit more ceiling. Right. And so I don't think that I don't think the guys behind him are going to give a better floor. It's just that Kenny Green might have a higher ceiling. That's what and I feel like a lot of people when they hear that our discussions about Tyler Steen and not just today, but like over the course of the off season, it's like, oh, like Tyler Steen's not going to make the team. It's like, Tyler Steen's going to be on the 53. You know, maybe they trade them if they, you know, they get an offer that kind of deal. But like they're not, they're not going to cut Tyler Steen. It's a, it's a matter of

like, all right, like, is he going to be like an ideal fifth starter? Or do you want somebody to come in and give you a little bit more pop there? So that's, I think that's the right way to look at it. That's why I kind of view it as more of a two-man race there, you know, because I don't think Cameron Williams is going to come in and take Tyler Steen's job. You know, I don't necessarily see that as the outcome here. It is good to know, you know, as, as Sheel thumbs his nose at me, and Zach abandons me. It's good to know that I have at least one friend.

One friend. One friend. That's very right. The other thing my lot of said, that was a little bit interesting, which is something that we know, but is worth at least mentioning, is, you know, we talk about all of the different offensive coordinators that Jillyn Hertz has had to deal with over the course of his ego's career. You know, Lane Johnson, having been the best right tackling football for a decade, probably deserves a little bit of extra credit for all of the different right guards that he has had.

to work with. Now, some of those have been awesome players. It's not like he gets a, you know, a pat on the back for making it work with Brandon Brooks, but he has had to deal with a, you know, a pretty consistent revolving door there. No, it's a good point. And, you know, I think that it's always been kind of interesting because you had Lane there for so long. You had Kelsey there for so long, but that was the kind of the rotating door between those two. And I think, you know, you plug somebody in there and you feel good about their chances of success. And obviously, Juergen stepped right in and, you know, and made a pro ball in his first year as a starter as well, kind of keeping up that level of play.

But, yeah, I think that Lane absolutely deserves a level of credit there. Okay. Then we get to Jalen Hertz. Yep. Who everybody wanted to talk to. And there was a little bit of, um, uh, cleaning up some previous answers from Gila Hertz, which is funny for the first time we've talked to this

off season. There have been so many times over the course of the past couple years where there have been some kind of odd phrasing when asked about Nick Siriani. He was very supportive of I mean, as you would expect, but as he should be.

And he said, congrats to him. And it is like the power dynamic is interesting because the way that Gieland's talking about it, he's talking about like the growth that he has seen from Nick Siriani over the course of their time together. Like he's seen him evolve, which is, you know, you would think that that would be the way that the coach talks about the quarterback.

Right. Exactly. But it was a, it was a nice little check the box nod to, to Siriani, which he doesn't always take the opportunity to do. So, so I appreciated that. Yeah. Just kind of seeing those quotes come across, I kind of got the subtext with that as well. I thought that was probably one of my bigger takeaways from what I saw from all the press conferences today.

The other thing he said, well, there were a couple things. Now, you remember at locker room cleanout, he did not give the world's most effusive endorsement of Kevin Petulow, even though he had been working with Kevin Petulow for a while. Try to fix this one a little bit, you know, said Petulow's got a great mentality. He's been here with Nick the whole time. So, you know, this is somebody who we've worked with together. But then he said, you know, it's just people have different titles. So it's like it's as if there isn't anything different that what Julo is doing,

it's just got a different title. I don't think that that's exactly what he meant. But, you know, he said they're changing the offense just a little bit. The terminology is very similar, but a few little minor differences. Which, correct me if I'm wrong. It was a year ago this week when he did the like 90, 90% of the offense is different? Yes.

It was this time of the year. Right. Yes. And he referenced that. Okay. He said, I know in the past, I've given a number. I'm not going to do that today. So it is like he did like a little bit of a look back on his answers from the previous year and made, you know, he went to the film and made some correct.

I made some adjustments. You appreciate that. That's right. Was asked about not going to the White House. He said, I just, you know, I had something else going on that day. He didn't want to get into specifics. But he did say. you know, the people who were able to go, they seem to enjoy themselves.

That's good. I did not see that. Very funny. Nice. I mean, because you know he was, you know that he was waiting for that question. You know that he had figured out what he was going to say. They seemed to enjoy themselves as perfect. Yeah.

I mean, this is one of the. those things that will be fun to track and see if it's something that that bleeds into the rest of the summer. He's got a new, there's a new, I don't know if it's a saying or just a, you know, an operating procedure, but decode, detect, and then correct. That's what you, decode, detect, and then correct what it is that you need to refine. So there you go. Decode, detect. I feel like you need to detect first, right? I would agree with that. You need to die.

I would flip, yeah. Then get to the problem, get to the root of the problem. That would be decode. Like, and then. I agree. Yeah. I totally agree with you. Hmm.

It sounds good, though. Sure. Yeah, it rolls off. Yeah, the lamp is never full. Right. Okay. All right. Why don't we take a quick break?

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thoughts on jalen did he talk about nick as we talked about he did you know go out of his way to talk up the head coach even if it was in his own somewhat talking down way but That's okay. It's baby steps. That's good. Yeah. We'll find out what Nick Siragani said. I think Zach is on the way. Friend, what else is going on in your world? Just watching college players. I watched Clemson Corvson. Kid Klubnik today, huh? I did Kade Klubnick today. Yeah. So now this afternoon doing some spreadsheet work.

So just kind of like little bits and pieces here and there. But the draft guide, we are 11 players deep into the 2026 draft guide. So exciting stuff. Where's Clubnik for you? Is he the worst quarterback you've watched yet? He is the worst. Let's not say the worst. Let's say not the best.

He's not the best quarterback I've watched so far. I will say he was in my that too early mock draft that I did a few weeks ago. Yeah. He won't be in the mock draft in August. Yeah, I don't think he's that guy. He actually, you know who I wrote down as his pro comp? Okay, let me think. Former Eagles quarterback.

Can he pick it? No, what you do? Francis beat the gym. Good job. Former Eagles quarterback. No. A little bit further back. Okay.

Trent Edwards. I think a little bit more recent, but not, yeah, a little more recent, but not that much more recent. Mike Kafka. More recent than Kafka. Philly drone said Chase Daniel. I want to say this. player was like the year after Chase Daniel.

But we're in the right realm here. SEC, SEC quarterback. Long time starter at the college level, won a lot of games. Tim Tebow? No, he was a little bit undersized, underwhelming physical talent, had some, had some athleticism, but just left you wanting in the Tangibles category. Aaron Murray from Georgia.

Aaron Murray, I totally forgot that he was with the Eagles. Yeah. I think that was the year I was gone. I had a cup of tea with the Eagles. So, yeah, I didn't love that. That is a, that is a savage player comp to put on a prospect. I, I am, so I'm, I told you, I'm 11 players deep. I feel so good about all 11 comps that I have given to.

Really? Looking at the list earlier, I was like, yeah, these are really good cops. So I'm, I'm loving, I'm loving the process so far. outside of that Francis is off today so we got we got Pokemon sword in the background

and yeah no having having fun I was I was tuned into the show and I was like oh like I saw you guys were running late and I'm like all right we're coming over

with the press conference and as soon as I heard you say mail back I was like no I gotta jump in thank you you know that's a low place for me to stoop

I still can't get over how much you're burying a guy you throw an Aaron Murray comp comp on a guy that's like a bodyback I gave All right So without attaching names

I've also I've thrown comps of Eric Gray who the Giants selected in the like the fifth round the running back out of Oklahoma Yeah I throw an Eric Gray

comp a Dantavian Wicks comp So I've got Oh Now Tyler Zuli who is Who was producing the show today wants to know If you he wants to know your Drew Aller

Comp because I know that you have done Drew Aller Let's play you guys again I do have I do have a Drew Aller comp I wrote Here's what I wrote down With my Aller comp Shades of Sam Bradford.

Oh, interesting. He's a little bit more athletic, supposedly, right? He's a little more athletic, but I'm not anticipating, like, he's not going to be a world beater with his legs. The thing with Aller is like, I want to, and it's kind of like with Bradford

who always got ridiculed for like the, you know, hey, like push the envelope a little bit more. Like, don't just settle for the checkdowns. Like with Aller, like, that's what I kind of want to see more of. It's like, hey, like, I want to see him push the envelope a little bit more. You know, and try and try things a little bit further. downfield. Now a lot of that could be tied to the lack of receiver talent and, you know, some of the issues they had with that offense. But I'm going to be honest, I struggled with that

comp and it was more like he kind of, there is a little bit of Bradford there. So that's where I kind of landed, but I can be, I can be moved off that one as well. Of the 11, that's the one I feel worst about. Interesting. Okay. That's good. I can, I can hear some movement next door to me up here at the top floor of the media house of the Novica complex, some frantic door slimps. and bag putting down. I can only imagine that that means that Sack has returned. It's not the, it's not the mice. It's not the mice.

I'll tell you what, some mice today outside my house. We've got this like parking spot in the backyard. So it's like, you know, it's like to call it a backyard is too much. But yeah, and then I saw it climbing up the, like up the brick wall, which that is, that is disconcerting. Yeah. You don't want to see the mice going vertical. I've seen them do that a couple times.

It's a, yeah, it's a little unsettling. It's really unsettling. Yeah. I don't like that at all. Yeah. I mean, look, the only good thing about a mouse is that it's not a rat. Well, that's true. That's the only good thing about it.

Now, speaking of that, I do want to revisit the conversation I've been meeting to do this for a while about Pikachu from the draft weekend. Yeah, you change your mind on it, and I don't understand why. Well, listen, I have to, on a technicality, give it to the Pokemon as a Pikachu as a mouse thing. But it is a little bit, you know, it's a little bit like hot dog is a sandwich. Like, even if that's technically correct, if I ask you to bring me a sandwich and you bring me a hot dog, you're just being an A-hole. Like you have not really done the job. If I ask you to show me a mouse and you show me Pikachu, well, if you're going to show me a Pokemon, why wouldn't you just show me Tanta Mouse? That's a mouse. That's what a mouse looks like. Like, Pikachu is an electric. This is like, you know, lightning struck mouse. That's not, he doesn't present as a mouse. Tantamouse is the mouse.

Well, let's get a third opinion here. Francis, come here real quick. Come here real quick. Is Pikachu a mouse? No. Done. He raised it well. Yeah. I mean, he's not, he's a, he's a mouse Pokemon. That's not a, that's not a mouse.

Okay. I believe we have Mr. Berman, who has arrived. There he is. I'm great to see you guys. It was, I was waiting to come on. It's such a. I was listening to the start of the show. Bo, I mentioned the dilemma in a very accurate way.

I didn't know whether to leave, whether to come. When I saw that Fran was coming in, it made me feel so much better because I knew Bo wasn't doing it solo. But so much to discuss from today. It's great to be here. Okay, Fran, you have done your job. You are free to leave if you would like. See you guys.

We'll talk later this week. Thank you, Fran. Thank you, Fran. It's nice to know who your friends are. All right, Zach. Well, you've chosen your side. You've made clear what your priority is. Tell us if it was worth thumbing your nose at the audience, your partner.

Was Nick Siriani's press conference worth it? So I was doing for the audience, honestly. That's, that's, was that the heart of everything I did there was to be there for the audience. so we can discuss what Nick Siriani said in his first comments after signing a contract extension, a multi-year contract extension. Now, Nick-Sherryon. I think I reject that. I think I reject that framing, but go ahead. Well, just because you say, you know, if you say the sky is orange, but it doesn't make it orange, the sky's blue.

But just to think about it from the audience's perspective, either you can be there for the start of the show and then rewatch Nick Sirianney. press conference later or you can go to nixir on his press conference but there's no replacing you being here for the start of the show sure you can't it's the central dilemma of my life during the past two and a half is that you can't be in two places at once or the past year and a half is you can't be in two places at once um but i knew how capable you are number one i saw that fran was i saw that fran was coming on well that would but that was not that was not part of your initial formula. That was a lucky happen. It worked out swimmingly, and now I can

come to the I can come to the audience with substantive material being we are the first show talking about Nick Siriani's press conference, right? And Lord knows that is the most important thing. Yeah, gosh. So Nick Siriani is grateful. His family is grateful. He loves being a coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.

He would not reveal how long the press conference, I'm sorry, how long the contract is for. He, it was brought up to him that we know how long players, uh, contracts are for. And he said, you don't really know how long coaches contracts are for. So it's different. Um, but he, he, and as I mentioned, I mentioned the stuff it was at the tart, at the tart at the start. It was very funny that both AJ Brown and Jordan Milano were also asking for contract details of that next year. Yeah. Yeah. Um, my guess is AJ Brown knows, how long next year he on his contract is for.

My guess is that... I don't know about that. He seemed genuinely curious about how long it is for. Well, he... So let me ask you because AJ Brown said that he's, you know, that next year for as long as he is. Did you perceive that as like a Jimmy Chitwood? He stays, I stay. He goes, I go.

Or I thought it was... No, I didn't think it was an ultimatum, but I thought it was like just a nice thing to say. I'm going to be here as long as you're going to be here. Oh, so I read that as age. j. Brown signed through 2029 so he has four years left uh he has five he's under contract five more years so my guess is nick seriani received a four-year contract extension that has that that gives him a five-year term uh this upcoming year that's not how i read that's how i interpret it but i could be wrong too anyways um nick spoke about uh a number of topics as far as you know you you framed it well in terms of

the focus being on the season. But the way I framed the question to Nick was that he seems to be at his best sometimes when there's pressure, there's tension, there's discomfort, whatever term you want to use. And now that he won the Super Bowl and now that he has this contract extension, how do you manufacture that, right? Because I actually did think that the worst coaching job Nick Siriani did was coming off that last Super Bowl when there was that comfort, right? and then you think of like some of these other times,

it's when there's been this tension that he's responded to. And he said that he's spoken to a lot of coaches this offseason. And one of the coaches used an analogy, which is when you play pickup basketball and you win the game, you don't just pick up your stuff and leave the court. You strap it up and you play again, right? And he said like that's, he's self-motivated. That's where it comes from.

and that the thing that he's learned or that he's heard and learned is the mistake teams make is when they look too far in the past or too far in the future. In the past, it means they're trying to recapture something. In the future, it means they're trying to do something where they're not there yet. He's like the focus needs to be right now, where they are now, building this up, which is a way of, you know, what you expected Nick Siriani's message to be, but that stood out and I asked him which coaches he spoke to. Some of them were the usual suspects, Larry Karris, Don Staley, Jay Wright,

but he also spoke the next statement this offseason about this topic. So I thought that was interesting. And then there were, yeah, there's a few others that I'll continue to kind of look into. He spoke about like how there's not validation. for him that the that he you this has to be about gratitude right like he's not trying to prove anybody wrong he's he's grateful for this what was interesting was that he came back at the end of his press conference he said that when he started he was kind of thanking geoffrey and all that but he said he said so many players who've come up to him in the past you know day

and he gives the same answer to all of them that like this can't happen without you this can't happen without you. And he really wanted to make the point that he coaches like a great team. And it's what it's what makes football great is it's a true team sport and the greatness of you can't be great without the greatness of others. And like that was that was the message that he circled back wanting to convey. He spoke about, you know, Kevin Petulow and kind of, you know, the adjustments that the offense is making. He spoke about lessons from the Super Bowl year. He said there's a very fine line. Like he has to be very, he has to be cognizant. of players' bodies, right, but also the daily work.

And so that's kind of what he's navigating now is the play is, because you see the off-season program is not what it was last year, right? But they also went a month longer than they did last year. So he's, there's a lot of communication with the training staff, with the medical staff, about the buttons to push. And that's a point he wanted to convey as well. the self-motivation thing is interesting to me because we talk about Nick Siriani and Jalen Hertz not always seeing eye to eye necessarily

and obviously they have been able to overcome that but it does feel like that is that is something that they have very much in common right like the two of them need no extra motivation they I think the two of them are both always ready to get back to work Yes, but I also think the two of them, as self-motivated as they are, I think they both keep receipts, right? Like I think that they're not oblivious to what is said about them, neither one. And so, yeah, I do think there needs to be that self-motivation, but I don't think either one is like totally tunnel visioned regarding what's said about them. But there is the, they're very different people, but they are wired to try to get better. And I think that is, I think Jalen was very intentional with not wanting to talk about the Super Bowl.

Right. And Nick said that after the parade, like right away, he started thinking about next year. And he said that might be hard to believe. But he said that, you know, Kellyn Moore leaves. And like, he's doing that coaching search. Like he's able to kind of flip that switch right away because there was work to do. And Jalen made the point at the end of the season. made the point. He kind of made a reference to it today.

You know, he's playing in the February, right? And like catching up on time. There's there's a lot of that as well. So yeah, I do think that is something that they have in common. All right. Let's take a quick break. And here on the other side, what else we heard from Nick Siriani? And I want to unpack your thoughts on what he said about Petulah. We have teamed with our good friends at Ashley Home Furniture to give one, lucky winner the chance to bring home a beautiful, flexible, ultra-comfortable home sectional. Plus, not just that, also a $1,000 gift card to bring your dream fan cave to life. The Mod Max sectional is spacious and built for the most die-hard sports fan, whether you're hosting

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text your photo or call 610,000 or visit gladhairedm.m.com. That's Gladhaired by Morgansterm Medical. Let's get that hairline bath in the game. All right. So what did Siriani say about Kevin Petula? Yeah, so he spoke kind of about like the way they're evolving with Kevin Petulow and, you know, continuing to push things forward. That was kind of the main message with the tool that he's he's seen from him this offseason. Okay.

Anything else then from Sireani before I got your thoughts on what we heard earlier? Listening through, no, you know, there's just a lot of questions about the contract and about, you know, the gratitude and improving next year and figuring out like the adjustment. of being with a new coordinator, and that's something that he's had to learn. But no, there's nothing concrete. It was more philosophical today. Gotcha. Can the listeners, can they hear that we are next door to each other than there's like a bit of a lag?

I wonder if they can hear you on my mic and everything like that. Can you hear this on Zax? Well, when you bang, though, the, can you bang that? You can. Yeah, sure. I changed seating because of the lighting. I'm trying to figure out the correct light to use here. I'm usually where you are. And I didn't get to set up the frame today because I was rushing down. So if the audience wants me to adjust here, is this better? No, they say they say they can't hear each other. So we're doing a good job. We're doing well. Life looks good and I like the way that you were talking about banging a lot. You like that or the audience does? It seems like the audience appreciates that, yeah.

I don't get it, but okay. Oh, okay. This is like a Jalen Hertz playing dumb. Like you pretend like you don't understand the question. Are you calling Jail Huss? You don't know what that? No, I said playing dumb. Yes, I got you.

Okay. Do you want to talk about what bang means? what bang means, it's when you hit a surface. So what I just did was I banged the table. Yes. I would have lost money there. I would have bet that you were going to make a Mike Breen reference. Ah, yeah, I always enjoyed that.

Okay. All right. I talked a little bit about my takeaways from A.J. Brown, Jordan Milata, and J.L.O.N. Hertz. But let's start with Jailen Hertz. What did you make of what we heard from the Super Bowl MVP? Yeah, that he's. nothing's changed with him. I mean, this is...

I disagree with that on one point, which I haven't talked about. Two things, actually. One, I thought his, I thought his arms looked extra toned. Oh. Oh, okay. I didn't notice that.

And it also looked like he was wearing more chains. Ah, okay. There was a new chain added to the repertoire. Yeah, so coming from, the off-season workouts as opposed to the practice field. Maybe that's different. He's looking sharp. Okay.

I mean, it might have been a lifting day, right? You're a little more, you know, small after your lift than some other days. You know what? I didn't go this morning. I was scheduled to. There must have been a press conference somewhere. One could only wish. No, I was on Anthony's show.

I had to adjust my schedule. I had a, yeah. So, yeah, it was supposed to be at the 715 at 45 today, but it did not go. But the 715, that was not when you were on Anthony's show. No, but my 9 o'clock block had to change. So I didn't move things up. Oh, because you needed to do other work at 715 instead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I had to adjust from, well, I was. Why, you're not working on a book anymore. What else were you going to do? I was supposed to do between 9. I do have writing for all p.hly.com and stuff of that nature. Yeah, there was an article that went up last night at 10 o'clock, and there will be. Yeah, that went up last night. Okay.

Yeah. There might be an introduction and an epilogue for the book that needs to. Okay. Well, that makes more sense. That's better. Stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah.

So the schedule got adjusted a bit. But anyways, I mean, this is the same as the show. I mean, you could have worked it around to fit that in. You could have chosen differently. You just made very clear what the lowest level of your priorities was. I disagree with that. Anthony texted me last night saying, can you come on at 920? Said, sure.

Right. But you could have still done the workout. I shouldn't. Yeah. Okay, you're correct. I could have still gone at 7.15. morning. I'm sorry I didn't go to at 70s. It could have, you could have done the show.

Yeah. It really bothers you that I stated that. I thought we had an agreement. You offered. You can't, you said, do you want me to, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that was an absolute, you know, that's like, that's how I look at his dress. Like, you know, there's a right answer and a wrong answer. I'm giving you the answer and I'm giving you the shovel and you buried yourself. Now, I also did offer, I, it was like, it was like, it was, you know, it was like,

if the thing is starting and it's going to be a little bit of time, Nick had it wasn't, it wasn't anywhere even to be seen. All right. I apologize. I, yeah, I apologize. I thought we wanted someone there for Nick. I thought it was important to be there for Nick. It's okay. What did you think of jail? Any interesting answers to you? So I thought, I thought the overall tenor of like not looking at last. season, like moving on. I think that was that was very intentional from him. What did you think of his, of his White House answer? I know that was something that was hilarious. They seem to enjoy

themselves is such a funny line. And build upon that. Why do you say that? Well, because it's extremely purposeful. He knew he was going to get this question. And, you know, he brushed aside why, he wasn't there. But to say they seem to enjoy themselves is, I mean, that is very pointed and I think very funny. Okay. Okay. And what else stood out to you about him? Not much else. As I talked with Fran about, like the way that he talked about Siriani, it was interesting that, you know, he doesn't always hit the softball when he's asked about, you know, Nick Siriani and he, and he's swung away this time. But it was interesting that, you know, he doesn't always hit the softball when he's asked about, you know, But it was also funny that he talked about him, like, the way that I have seen him grow, you know, over the course of my time with him.

It's like that power dynamic is still there. Yeah, I actually had that same interpretation. I was talking to someone about that before Nick while you were on when I was actually pulling up the show on my phone watching it. And we were talking about that. I thought it was interesting. And I followed up with jail and I appreciate him answering the question afterwards about it. he kind of slipped in there. Yeah.

Say what you will. Jalen Hertz really likes Zach. I think that of everybody in the press conference room, he appreciates your questions the most. It's nice to say, Bill. Thank you. I think Jalen, I think it's valuable. I don't mean to be on a high horse here or anything. Just in general, like whether you're at a press conference,

whether you're an interview on a show, whether you're having a conversation with someone. And admittedly, I don't always adhere to this. Sometimes when I'm preparing for an ad read, but like genuinely listen to what the person has to say and not just like prepare for what your next question is going to be or something you have to get in there. Because there's things that people say where, and especially jailing.

Jalen, like, he'll put these little nuggets in, sometimes passive aggressively, sometimes intentionally. And it's like, all right, why did he say that? So he said at one point, there are a lot more, you know, demand, you know, there are a lot more demands for me in the building, which I was like, what, what's that about? That's interesting. Like, like, what are they demanding of him in the building?

That's, that's different. And so I was trying to get that in there. I was trying to get that in there. And so then he stayed afterwards to answer it. And first he said, it's about standing up. And then he said he likes standing up better. Yeah. So first he spoke about maturity, and he's like part of this maturity process is like understanding the demands of, you know, of what's asked of him with different coaches, changes in coordinators, position coaches, things like that.

And then he spoke to about, you know, some of the organizational endeavors that, you know, like the Eagles Altism Foundation. and then there's probably things that they ask of him in terms of like meat and creates and whatnot that. Yeah, that was a little bit like that's what the money is for. You know what I mean? Yes, yes, exactly. Yeah, exactly. But there's very much like, because, look, the reality is this.

There's a lot, you say that's the money, but there's a lot of things Joan does on the side, which is like part of, you know, what Jordan's money is for. for or that kind of thing. And so then there's times, and his, you know, he knows his name is valuable. He knows that his time is valuable. And so there's, and that's even more the case after winning Super Bowl MVP. And, you know, as I was debriefing yesterday's show, I'm like, why did I say superstar with capital S?

But I'll go back to that here. He's a superstar with a capital S now. There's like, you know, that comes with it. is that and so yeah there's probably times when jellin's not thrilled with having to do x y and z like oh you're asking me to do this again or i have to do that again and like um you know i i always i don't mean to conflate these two but um like players used to notice on carcin wence wasn't at something you know when like when there was like a player had like a charity thing and, you know, Carson, you know, Carson wasn't there, but they all came to his, that kind of thing.

Right. And so, and so there is, you know, there's something to that. And I do remember when Joe in first, I remember going, it was during the bye week, Jason Kelsey launched the Underdog Foundation, you know, the Underdog Foundation, the Ordinand Dog brand, the Make-Fell, you know, it was part of his new foundation. and he had something on a Sunday afternoon that I went to, and Jalen came. That was Jalen's first year as a starter. And like it was like it was a big deal for Kelsey that that Jellon came to that, right?

And so like as a quarterback kind of develops a higher profile, you always wonder like it, you know, how is he allocated his time and does he make the time for his teammates? And there was conversations last year about Jalen making outreaches in the locker room, right? and different things he could do there. And so, yeah, the demands on the time, you put it well, that's what the money is for. Like, it's part of being a franchise quarterback, but also, you know, there's probably, they're probably, like, selective in what they ask of him. Right.

I think they, yeah, probably have figured out how they want to handle those situations on that side as well. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, when he said that, I was, my ears perked up as well. I was glad you asked the follow up. And I didn't know if he meant like football wise. Exactly.

That's what I interpreted too. Like, you know, does he have more due with the scheme? It was a very, it was very ambiguous. But I often think with Jalen, like it's purposely and because he wants, he wants to play that game. It's like the woman who wants to be courted sometimes, right? Like, you know, he he wants to play hard to get for you to try to get it. And so there's, this has happened in a lot of J-Wen press conferences where there's like this little nugget that he puts in there and like he wants to come back to that nugget later so i don't know

if today was that was that thing but that was well and you know what you can tell because he and a part of this is because it was you okay okay okay no it was but he was also like you know he didn't the press conference was over and he sat there for a beat i think waiting waiting for somebody to to maybe follow up on or or ask something else yeah because he said he said what do you have but but but But there happened times after the press conference where, like, for instance, where he's like entertained an additional question for me. But when he hasn't been happy with what that question is, he's just, he just left, right? And so it really, so I think this was something that he wanted to follow up on. Yeah.

Yeah. True. There you go. Look, this time of year. How would you rank? Because people were talking about it on the side, I see. how would you rank where you think you rank in the among the reporters how happy the person is to hear from you with Siriani, Hertz, and Howie? I don't know. It really depends on the nature of the press conference, the context, that kind of thing. I would probably say Howie's least.

you're going to say you know what I like to think Jowen's most in nicks in the middle I think so yeah but the interesting thing is like I have the most history with Howie like I've known Howie 15 years but I think Howie I think Howie is similar to J Allen in this sense and that Howie's going to answer a question the way he wants to answer a question right like Yeah. It doesn't matter if it's person A, person B, person C. Like how he's going to go up there and just like say what he's, he's going to answer the question that he wants to answer as opposed to the question

that you ask him, right? Sure. And so he's good at that, right? Nick is sometimes you can ask Nick a great question you feel like and it doesn't deliver and you ask you ask a bad question and like it's gold. so there's a lot more variability for Nick. It probably speaks to his personality. And Jalen, I think, like, even, you know,

Jalen is just like, I think you have to know, like, what to ask them how and when. They have to be specific with Jailen. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay. What were you going to say? I was going to say that maybe I'm getting softer in my old age,

but, like, this time of year, I'm, like, it doesn't have to be, like, you know, we're going to have times to talk them about, you know, different specific things. Like I like the tennis, you know, the Chris Stapleton question or, you know, the John Legend question this time of year. Yeah. I want a little personality this time of year.

You know, after a training camp practice, we can get into like the nitty gritty of things. But like I, yeah, I was actually going to ask that Chris Stapleton won the Jordan Milata. And so I'm happy that Tim asked that. I, so that part of it, yeah, like, look, I, I guess. everyone has a job to do today like Nick Siriani spoken about the tush push so many times and Nick even well I mean it is they're voting tomorrow like yeah like no I understand it for guys who haven't like talked about it but like yeah that's true that's true yeah yeah Nick was like it's pretty document it's pretty well documented how I feel about that well I didn't hear the question but

you could ask him about the like the language like you know sure oh yeah yeah okay is the changed language affected with how you know about it at all but yeah that's fair or if he started to think about contingencies, things like that. That's fair. But I liked, you know, A.J. Brown on, John Legend and short of my lot on Chris Stapleton. I like, I also liked AJ's answer, not to, not to pat myself in back. Yeah, but it was a good initial question from, I think, Bob, about how, you know, AJ had put out there that he felt himself a little bit, you know,

wanting after the Super Bowl. It felt a little bit emptier. It was not what he expected. And that, like, he found that he just finds the love and the grind. And I will tell you what the follow-up was in Zach. Overtime! And so I asked if that surprised him. Great question.

That is what he was expecting. And he said, yeah, like, you know, all he'd ever heard was he'd come into the NFL. And, like, he win that Super Bowl. And that's what it's all about. And like it's, that's, you realize that that's what all of it was worth, you know, that it was all worth it. And it was all for this moment. And that's not how he felt at all. And he had to sort of, you know, think back. And it's, it's really more about like the journey and the moments along the way, which is, which I think is a nice sentiment in its own right. But it was interesting just to hear him. I mean, I love talking AJ. AJ is is, is an open book. He is so introspective and thoughtful. It was a good answer. I really like talking to AJ Brown. Agree with you there.

Was the open book intentional there? Was that a pun? An intentional pun? It was not, but thank you for catching it. Yeah, well done. That's why the best host in the business. So, yeah, I agree. AJ Brown's awesome.

And he's in these media settings and he's honest. And he doesn't just like, you know, if he doesn't have a question to answer, he'll be, you know, like what he's asked about the offense. He's like, we haven't, um, uh, no, I don't know how it's going to look right now, right? Like, they're still figuring that out. It was funny. The Olympics, he was like, yeah, it's during training camp. So I can't, I can't participate in it, right? I mean, he gives like, he could. That's awful answer. That's true, true. Um, yeah, so I, I, um, I thought,

I thought that was interesting. He definitely, he has Nick's back. He has Patuil's back. Uh, that was, that was pretty clear. I think I think one thing you're going to hear a lot from AJ during training camp. It's a lot of Jahan Dawson love. I think I think AJ is going to pound the Jahan Dawson beat, if you will, like pretty loudly. So I expect that to be the case. I thought Jordan was interesting on the rookie tackles. Yeah, I didn't mention that. That was a good point. Yeah, and how he's telling these guys, like, come get my job, but I'm going to make it hard for you. Like, they're obviously not going to get his job.

But he's really impressed with them, like, how they are in the room. And that's, like, the standard that was set for him. We also said he had to get on them last week. Yes, exactly. About not working hard enough. So there you go. It's a good point. Yeah, so I, it's one of my lot of similar, too.

I mean, Jordan Malada, AJ Brown, two guys who love to hear from, two guys who aren't afraid of their own voice, which I respect. And, no, let me ask you that. Do you think Jordan was just trying to be a smart aleck? I won't say the other term. Like when he was saying competition? Okay. Or do you think, like, in his eyes, that's Tyler Seen's job or something like that?

No, I don't think. You think he was just trying to be a smart aleck, yeah? I think he was just, yeah, it was reflexive what competition. Okay. Okay, gotcha. Okay. But I said to friend, I am curious, you know, this, this is more of a training camp question for him. Yeah. But, you know, this is someone, Jordan Milata, whose entire life changed because of a training camp competition.

He was in a true one-on-one training camp competition. So, you know, what is he say to those guys? What is his, you know, reflection on that? It's a little bit different. It's left tackle versus right guard. And, you know, it's not the same thing. but, you know, he might have some perspective on that. Good point. That's a great question.

I will love to hear his perspective on when you ask him in training camp. I thought it was interesting when he said Lane Johnson doesn't get enough credit like for having to play next to all these right guards. And the reason I thought it was interesting is because there was a point in time here when that was the left guard, like the left tackle, there was a new left guard every year. Right? And it was like Lane and Brandon Brooks. In Lane and Brandon Brooks were what Jordan Milit of Leonard Dickerson are now, where they have that synergy and the left tackle had to play next to it.

different left guard every year. And so now, now it's kind of flipped and that lane's playing against a different, or playing with a different right guard every year. But he, he spoke about that. So I'm glad this is, this was so beneficial about doing the pot after these press conferences is I thought for a moment when Jordan said that, I'm like, maybe he just thinks this is Tyler Steen's job, right? And that's how he views it. But if you had a different read on it, just like my read on the AJ Brown thing was that the thing, that the thing, that the thing because I expected it to be a five-year deal. You know, typically the Eagles give five-year deals.

So I expected to be a four-year extension. So he's under contract for five years. So he's effectively paid for five years, right? And I think that's what the contract extension was for Doug back a few years ago. It was to keep him under contract for, you know, so he had five years on his deal at that time. And so that's how I interpreted just because AJ signed through 2029 season. And that would be 25, 26, 27. but if it was more like just a show of support for Nick, then that's, then that's different.

I thought he knew how many years Nick was under contract. And then he was just kind of testing to see if we knew toward my lot. It was like, how much money did he get? Yeah. Yeah, I don't, I don't think the players know that. But I think the players know the years. Yeah, maybe. Yeah.

I don't know. AJ, so AJ said, did you talk about John Legend? Maybe I'm making a bigger deal about this. I thought, like, how do you land General Legend for a proposal, right? That's a... He's an Eagles brand. He went to Penn. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Do you like John Legend?

I don't dislike John Legend. Song performed live a few times, or not a few... Really? At charity events. Yeah, and he was a master with the guitar. I'm sorry, not the guitar. piano, rather, piano. Sorry, the piano.

Yeah, master at the piano. But yeah, I, I heard him, well, I heard him not a few times at a, at an event one time. And I was just, like, blown away by how good he was on the piano. All right. Yeah. No, it was not a concert. Yeah, very important to say that this was not a concert. No, it was a charity event that he, that he sang at or performed that, I should say.

Okay. All right. Anything else, Zach? So I have some non-press conference questions for you, but... Oh, okay. What do you got? Anything else jump out to you from the press conferences? No. No. Okay, yeah, I mean, we'll enter first more throughout the week.

I'll listen back to Nick. I'll have something up. So I'll say this, Emily watched, watch the end. I asked her to watch the end of the show yesterday. Yeah. And she wanted to know if you were actually like, like legitimately mad at Shield. And I was like, I think, and she asked me. And I said, I think part of it is because pose a good performer. But I think also, I think, I think he was a bit miffed.

I think, but, you know, so I'm curious. was it how much of it was for show and how much of it was actually myth. This is like, this is like in the middle of a wrestling event. You're like asking to break K-fave. It's like, you know, like, seriously tell me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm furious. I don't want to, I never want to talk to him again.

I haven't listened to Philly Special yet. But I saw on our Discord or on a Discord, I think it was the, there's a, there's two different discourse as I read, that she'll talk about this. There's two different discords that I read. There's two different discords that you read. Before the press conference starts today, you're accosting another media member because you have a bone to pick of what he said about Holland Pierce two days ago. You're reading everything. You've got to cut something out. Apparently, I should have gone on the gym this morning. I mean, that all goes.

When I talk about show prep, part of it's reading everything. Brooks Cabina had a good story on Drew McCuba that I spoke to them about. Dave Zengarro had all the undirected rookie contracts up on NBC Sports Philly that I was checking out. Jeff Nyberg wasn't here today. He had a good piece on KJ. Henry that I was reading this morning. So, yeah, I mean, this came up in a different context in a conversation over the weekend, but I only know how to do the story one way.

I'm sorry, I only know how to do the job one way. And, like, I can't, I wish there was, I wish I could do it like with, you know, I wish I could do it differently. It would be better for my health than my time, but I don't know how to do it that way. Okay. Yeah. But, yeah, so I, but I haven't listened. I'll listen to those special either on the way home or the way to work tomorrow. I won't.

You won't. Okay. Okay. I'm curious because I'm curious if you've heard Shield's perspective on the story yet. No. I don't need to know his perspective. I don't know that. Okay.

Okay. All right. Anything else? No, I'm just, I'm glad that I have friend. It's good to have one friend. I'm not a friend anymore because I went to the press conferences. I mean, you made it clear where I stack. All right.

This is nothing to do with you, number one. I thought you said, do you want to stay? And I thought that meant like, and I said, I don't want to leave you alone. You said, you can make it work or I can figure it out. We'll figure it out. Yeah. So when you hear that, you're thinking of up. Well, yeah, if somebody dumps you, you're going to figure it out.

Like, you know, you got to move on with your life. You want to know where you stand. Now I have my answer. All right. So let's, let's, we're already in it. So let's just flesh this out. Would it have been more effective for me to miss the first 22 minutes of the show. Okay.

Oh, I'm sorry, for me to do the first 22 minutes of the show, but miss Nick Siriani's press conference. I think you should have chosen the show, but that's okay. Okay. All right, fair enough. Well, there's something, look, this won't be the last time this happens. So then if that's the case, I'll choose the show. I don't even think I was choosing this show. There's choosing what doing a good, you know, like,

just doing the show, no matter what, or coming to the show, making the show better with information and perspective fresh from Nick Siriani. Yeah, we don't actually have to get into it. I think you are overstating the importance of a May Nick Siriani press conference. Okay. I think you're overstating the importance of the first 22 minutes of the show. But that's, there's, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a it's a reasonable thing to think about here. I, yeah, also like... You just called in from the express conference. I can just help up the phone.

I mean, I've had these, like, I've had these different ideas in the past that have gotten shot down, like, you know, doing the shows at different times, no. Erring the press conference on the show, no. Like, so, I mean, at some point, it's like, you know, My only option is just, it's just acquiescing. It's just, just, just do it, just satisfying you.

But yeah, I thought I was enhancing the show by being there. I thought there was value in coming straight from the... Well, we were the first show live afterwards. I mean, that counts for something. Yeah. A matter of fact, someone was getting text during the press conference about something you said, that they said, but it was something that's going viral. And I was like, oh, God, what was it?

Yeah, it was about Howie's contract status. Did I say anything today about Howie's contract status? That's what someone, that's what someone said during the press conference. Someone said, Bo said something about this. I had, I said something. We talked about it yesterday. I didn't say anything today. You didn't say anything today?

Okay, yeah. So I'll say this. And I wrote this today on all p.g.org.com. I interpreted from Jeffrey Lurie's comments at the owner's meetings that, Howie Orsman had signed a contract extension. Jeffrey said that he's very, Howe is very secure. He said, well, never talked about contracts,

but his job's very secure. That's kind of how I interpreted it. Yeah, now, but it would be weird, right? For the Eagles to have announced Siriani's extension, but not Howie's, right? Unless it happened last off season, they didn't want to make it awkward, right? Yeah, yeah, it's a good point.

Everything, like, they are, Look, I know that, you know, them and us have had different missions or different motives, however you want to frame it. I think the whole, I think this whole Nick contract thing's been weird. Like, I thought they would, I thought today, you know, someone was saying to me afterwards, like, your Super Bowl winning coach just want to, or just sign a contract extension. And, like, they, they, like, put a press conference in, you know, where they have to, like, like, like they have to rush you out because the rookies are meeting in the auditorium. There's like no pomp for it. You know,

you would think that you signed this guy to a contract extension. They make a bigger deal about it. But it was like, it was almost like an inconvenient. Like, oh, yeah, fine,

you know, we'll tell you that he signed it. We won't tell you how long. And he'll come here and he'll, he'll answer a few of these questions. It's like that's that. Multi years. Multi years.

That's all you need to know. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's so weird. Yeah.

All right. I just see, I think Tyler needs to go. I apologize. Oh, okay. All right. Well, then let's wrap things up here on the P.HLY Eagles podcast. Thank you to everybody for watching and listening. Thanks to Fran for saving the day.

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