PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Nick Sirianni press conference reaction LIVE from owners meetings | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

Nick Sirianni discussed several Eagles topics at owners meeting, including A.J. Brown and DeVonta Smith’s potential roles in next year’s offense, Sean Mannion’s first few months as offensive coordinator, Riq Woolen’s fit with the Eagles, and much more. Fresh out of the press conference, Bo Wulf and EJ Smith trade takeaways from the coach’s comments live from the PHNX studio! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, live from the Xfinity Mobile Studio in the PHNX studios. This is the PHOY Eagles podcast presented by Ashley and Bet365, Bo Wolf and EJ Smith. We're here in Phoenix. We're here for the owners meetings. I figured we'd pop on by to our friends at PHNX. And boy, what a beautiful setup they have here. I was going to say they have a very nice setup. And I appreciate them opening their doors for their sister station here, sister company.

Yeah, I appreciate that. Very magnanimous of them. Yeah. Great hosts. Yeah. And the setup here is beautiful. I love it. Yeah.

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there's no diamond back stuff in the shot. That's not going to, you know, Eagles fans are going to be worried about Kalia Copper? Come on. I mean, yeah. I wouldn't be. So, yeah.

I'm, it's been fun to see another, another variance of the PHOI world. It's been a good experience. All right. So this morning, early this morning. We talked to Nick Siriani, E.J., and you know what?

We got up early. We got our seats at the table. We did. We were up for everybody. Yeah. I mean, let's not make this about other people, but we can celebrate the fact, you know, the viewers of the show can know you got two dogged reporters who are going to get there early, get their seats at the table, and make sure that we get all the information for our audience.

So we will go about this the same way we did yesterday after talking to Howie Roseman. We'll sort of ping pong back and forth on the takes that we have from the big takeaways from what Nick Siriani said. I will let you go first, E.J., but let's do it through the prism of the right people presented by our friends at TrueMark Financial, the right people. Who are the right people for the Eagles as far as you're concerned with your first takeaway? I think Rick Wulin is the right person for the job. I found it very interesting what Nick Sieriani had to say about Rick Wollins' play personality. It's been a big topic of conversation. I think maybe even overstated a little bit about the fact that he has a tendency to be emotional on the field.

He's drawn some personal foul penalties, some unsportsmanlike conduct penalties because of the fact that he can, you know, be emotional on the field. And I thought Nick Siriani, I think this is Nick Siriani at his best. This is what we were kind of expecting. Yeah. That Rick Willan was going to be a Siriani guy. Yeah, exactly. But I think that this is, you know, I think Eagles fans will have frustrations with some of the things that Nick Siriani really harps. on at the podium. And, you know, obviously he's a hot topic of conversation. But I think

that this answer that he gave on Rick Wollin is really why his players love to play for him. And again, I do. I think it's him at his best. So he says, we're edgy as a football team. We like to show excitement. Football is fun. It's supposed to be fun. You can lose that sometimes in highly stressful situations. I want those guys to show their emotions. I want them to show their excitement. I want them to show their personalities within the rules of the game. That's my job. And he was explaining that as, you know, after being asked, about Rieke Wollin being that type of player. Specifically about that, yes.

And he made it clear, like, that's a perfect fit for the Eagles. If I'm Rick Wollen, I love to hear that. If I'm any player in the Eagles locker, I'd love to hear my head coach say something like that. Now, it is also his job to make sure that those things don't pop up in big moments. But, you know, it reminds me of the way that Nick talked about and felt about C.J. Gardner Johnson. Yeah. All of that play personality on the field, we always heard that, like, Nick loved CJGG during the week in practice because he was always bringing that energy.

You needed that sort of competitive fire in the doldrums of the season. I think the Eagles are kind of hoping that Rieckwlin will bring a little bit of that as well. We'll see if the level of play is what the Eagles hope for, but they are not afraid of big personalities like that. Yeah, yeah. And I think it makes sense. You know, it's kind of, it's been interesting to hear Hally Roseman and Nick Suryani talk about

Rek Wulin, the opportunity that they saw in signing him, while also acknowledging how he more so than Nick the steps that Requel and still has left to take to really make sure that they get maximum value out of him for the season that they have him but no I think the way that they answered it I think is the way that like you would want them to answer it you know how he's focused on getting the most value and Nick is looking at him as a player and a person

and like that's a perfect fit for what we have in the building yeah Nick was much more forceful in his excitement about Requel and then how he was yesterday yeah yeah for sure which again it makes sense yeah yeah now I also I had a quick question for Mike McDonald about Rick Willen and Lena what's their explanation for why you guys let him go now McDonald pushed back on is like you know I wouldn't say we let him go but I mean Mike nobody nobody has been a bigger Mike McDonald defender than than me I was on that was on the Mike McDonald train before anybody I mean John me a little bit give me a little bit with that why because

he was Mike McDonald's roommate John Godode? Yeah, you didn't know this? No. Eagles PR guy, John Ganoe, shout out to John. Yeah, he was Mike McDonald's roommate at Pitt. Really? Yeah.

I didn't know that. So you're the second biggest defender. All right. Well, we got Ganoid on the podcast. I don't know if that's allowed. I'm sure it's allowed. Okay. Anyway, anyway, I mean, come on.

You know, they had plenty of cap space. They chose to bring back Josh Job instead of Reekwell. And he just, McDonald said he just got, you know, he was too expensive for us. Who are we kidding? Yeah, it's, it was a, it's a, it's a strange objection. Well, I mean, I'm an out-of-towner on that one. I don't, I don't really mind. I mind a little bit on your behalf.

I'm like, I was a little bit like, they did let him. And they chose Josh Jobo for him. That's fine. Own it. Yeah. You know, he said the Eagles are getting a hell of a player. Yes. Rick Willan, there you go.

The right people presented by True Mark Financial. I will give you my next takeaway here, E.J. And I do think this was early in the press conference. Yeah. First question. His reaction to. you know, the idea proposed by Lane Johnson that Jeff Stoutland's going to be around the building

in some capacity, I don't know that Nick Siriani could have possibly poured more cold water on that than he did. Yeah, so. And go ahead. The quote was, obviously, we moved on with our staff and really enjoying working with these guys. Obviously, love the guys that are no longer part of our staff

and always will have a relationship with those guys with everything. They've done for our football team. But right now, we are focused on the upcoming year with that. staff. Yeah. I'm not going to, you know, read too much between the lines here, but it's pretty clear. Yeah. In conjunction with the way that Nick talked about him when we last spoke to Nick,

actually right before the Combine and also just the reporting that is out there. Yeah. Nick and Jeff Stoutland are not best buds. Sure. And I think, I think they were, Jeff Stoutland would still be on the staff. I think their relationship, you know, had a bit of a tumultuousness to it. and he's it's not like stout's going to be in meetings this year i wouldn't be surprised if he comes for training camp for a day or something like that but even that it's probably not even something like

that is probably not even fair to chris cooper right because if stout shows up everybody's going to be wanting to talk to stout and and you know they're going to be comparing him to chris cooper i think it is probably best for both parties that stout is not really super involved yeah anymore um but it was a it was an interesting bit of deflection from Nick. Yeah, I mean, to be honest, the only thing that opened the door for this was Lane Johnson suggesting that Jeff Stoutland might be right. Well, there was original, this was when, when that first step down, it was part of the original reporting that you would have, that I think I maybe even suggested it early. Yeah. But over time, you learn more about what

happened in the situation. I think it became pretty clear that it wasn't going to be the case, that Jeff Stalind wasn't going to just be, you know, around in a lesser capacity, you know, around the team. I think, I think that it's, It's true that he will always be like a friend of the organization or admired by a lot of people in the organization. Howie Roseman's answer before the scouting combine, you know, he's not was a friend, is a friend, you know, and we'll miss him. Like I think that there, it's clear that there's a lot of love for Jeff Stalyn in the building. But yeah, this new coaching staff, I think, is moving on from a lot of the principles that Jeff Stalyn implemented as a run game coordinator, mostly not as an offensive line coach or a talent developer. But yeah, I think as a result, you're not going to see him around the building.

I would even be surprised if he was at training camp, you know? I mean, maybe, but yeah, I think, I think that that chapter is probably closed. I think you're probably right. Yeah. I think down the line. Oh, absolutely. For sure. But this year, I think the wound is too fresh.

Yeah, I mean, like 20 turkeys and he coaches for the Eagles again at some point. Probably about right. Yeah. Like, I don't think that it's a permanent thing. I think, but this upcoming season, I'd be surprised if you saw Jeff Salon. Yeah. Now, I would imagine that some of you have. have watched or listened to Stout's appearance on the Nick Folls podcast,

where I think he talked about this as well. But the other thing that he said, which I thought was interesting, was this is what you would expect. But he's thinking, I'm a better coach now than I've ever been. Like this is the best version of me as a coach, because all of my experiences are layered on

and I've learned so much over the years. You know, that does not sound like a guy who is necessarily not interested in ever coaching again. Yeah, I'd be surprised. You know, again, the initial reporting, the initial word, maybe that was on the table. But yeah, I think as I've talked to more people about it, I think it's probably, you know,

a temporary step away and then he will be back in coaching. Now, let's stick with the staff while we're here because there's a lot of discussion about all the new faces that Nick Siriani has. Yeah. And, you know, he's spoken in the past about when he first got to Philadelphia. And there was that, there was that, you know, that time period where everybody on the first.

on the staff was new and their families hadn't moved over yet. And so all they had to do was just spend time with each other and how much of an impact that made on just like the camaraderie of the staff. And he thinks about that time with fondness. So I asked him like, you know, is that something that is happening again? Because there are so many new faces. And he this time around, he's like, well, I've still got my, my family is here. So like, I got to go home.

But like some of the guys get to have that time. and it was it was less about and I wonder if you think that this is this has anything to do with like the joy of the job not being quite so high for Nick and it becoming more of work and you know having to sort of defend his record and it's all about the results but it feels like this has been much more about business than necessarily you know everybody being sort of raw raw together it's a it's a good observation and it ties into something I hope I'm not stepping on something you wanted to bring up later what he said about Jalen and the conversation that they had the conversations that they've had about the system yeah let's let's go ahead save it no no go ahead I just think it ties together in that in like in talking to people around the building there is definitely a sense of like they needed a reset they needed to like break off of the last 24 months and the emotional roller coaster of winning a Super Bowl coming back on a truncated off season trying to repeat everybody There's so many people who were banged up, so many people who had to go through surgeries and, you know, play through a lot of pain.

And honestly, I think the coaching staff seemingly seemed to deal with burnout as well. And as a result, like Nick Siriani's answers on like Jalen Hertz's conversations with Nick about the system that they're implementing, you know, the kind of the mesh with Sean Mannion. It was it was much more about like, it's important that we give these guys some time away from us. And my read on that is that there is a prioritization of like everyone needs a reset. everyone probably needed some time to get away from it before they dive back in full force. I think maybe that's a lesson they learned from 2025 is when you get a chance that, you know, to lick your wounds or, you know, unplug from it all. It means that you have a chance to then come back stronger and be able to kind of like go back to being 100% when you do reconvene.

So I found that interesting because all you ever hear from Nick about Jalen and all you really ever hear from Nick or hear from others about Nick is that they are like, 110% they do everything it takes but it does seem like they're taking like an intentional pause right now which is what i kind of it's kind of what my read was on what he was when he was talking about the coaching staff it seems like maybe they all just needed to get away from it for a little bit but do you think that that comes with like the refresh i agree is important and i think they are they are trying to do that do you think that is then leading to putting so much pressure on the results like this is our only chance to to get this right or do you think that they're are actually trying to start fresh from like a this is exciting like not that joy is a is a necessity

for them but it it doesn't feel like nick has that same yeah joie de vivre as a as a as a coach than then he used to yeah i think he has changed significantly i mean it's funny you know not to derail this conversation but did you notice that nick was wearing the same shirt this year that he's worn in years past for owners meetings no i did not notice that the reason i know that the reason i know noticed is because the first year he wore my group chat was like a blaze. I can't curse. So I'll just say I'll I'll I'll clean it up. They said that's an E.J.A shirt.

Like, you know, I love a tight pattern polo and he's worn that polo before. And it is funny because, you know, to bring it back into the conversation we're actually having here, it kind of does like show like the evolution of Nixiriani. Like the shirt stays the same, but the man changes, right? And I do think he's changed significantly over the last. I mean, really, it feels like after that first Super Bowl, as you would expect, yeah. After that first Super Bowl, you know, Jalen talks about how much changed him. I think Nick changed a lot after that first Super Bowl as well.

And I think in the last year, I think the change for Nick was 2023. After the Browns game. No, that's 24. I think the change for Nick came after the 20203 collapse. I think that was sort of more about results. His first change definitely happened after 22. season though. I think you could see a shift in how how he was how he was kind of like I don't know the best way to put it. He I think you saw personality shift from him after the 22 season and I agree.

And what way? Honestly, if I'm being totally real like in his like confidence level in like his probably a little bit of his like innocence for the job. Okay. I think those two things. You think he became more confident in his own abilities? More confident and a little bit more guarded. And then after 2023, I agree.

I think he was significantly more guarded. But I think even in 2020, that 24 season, like, you know, the Brown's game, I think, is a real inflection point for Nick. I think ever since then, he's been, at least the public-facing version of him has been significantly different. I think that's right. Yeah. And it's understandable.

That was, you know, as much as, I understand the criticism that came after that Browns game when he's got his kids up at the podium. I do think, like, from a human level, I don't even think. I know from a human level that it's, that must have been really difficult to go through. Yeah, I actually, I think we, you know, we talked about at the time. I thought the criticism of the kids up there was, was silly. I thought that was totally fine. It was, I thought the criticism should have, was fair about yelling at the fans afterwards.

Sure. Yeah. But there's no doubt that that changed him. Yeah. So I think we are seeing a different version of Nick. You know, understandably so. But yeah, it's interesting to like even just reflect on it here, like how he's changed over the years and how we kind of got to where we are now where, you know, I think some fans will say like a 30 minute press conference with him. Like he's very guarded. He does.

He tries not to say very much. Well, let's do a little. Let's do a little introspection here. As a Philadelphia media whole. How much do you think like that? color being sucked from his skin. That's not nice. You know what I mean?

No, but like, someone who's got his legs on camera today, you can't be talking about people being tail. You know what I mean. Like the, the full of likeness that he had the first couple years as a coach.

Yeah. It's not quite there anymore. How much do you think we are responsible? And the idea of just living in the Philadelphia, you know, uh, broiler has, has brought that on him.

I would hope that we personally, aren't responsible for that. I think we are a part of it, no doubt. Philly's media market is tough, but it's a reflection of the fan base. And the building. And I'm not, but I'm not saying that anybody is a villain in this story either.

You know, I think it's just, yeah, I would say that it's an intense environment. It, it changes you. You know, it's like,

I think I've heard people joke about like the, like Nick Siriani over a four-year period, like the president aging. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there's something to that. It's, it is an intense, environment for a lot of building too yeah i think it is also just the nature of being an NFL

head coach i don't think it's the offensive coordinator search right i mean it is honestly more so for the head coach and i think he handles it in a way he handles it probably well um relative to others and he's you know it's it's something that probably gets overlooked sometimes when we talk about some of the things that nick some of nick's personality traits okay you think that's fair yeah yeah i do think he handles it reasonably well well. I mean, I wish he was less guarded sometimes, but yeah, I understand why. I wish she would, we were talking about this off air. I wish he would do more just talking ball. Yes. Because, you know, he, he, he loves football so much. He loves coaching. Like he, he, it is the thing that

makes him so happy. I wish he would share a little bit more of that with us. Yes. I think he is very careful, I mean, to a like, you know, extreme degree about what he divulges about. what the Eagles do schematically. Yeah. And I think you hear coaches like get really in the weeds about like pure progression reads versus, you know, half field reads or, you know, you, they talk about like, just like honestly for our, for our audience, like, just think about like the way that Fran talks about football.

Like I know Nick Sirianic can talk about football that way, but he doesn't often do that at the podium. And I think it's just because of, you know, again, being guarded trying not to give away very much. Okay. Makes sense. Time to take our first break here on the, the PHOI Eagles podcast.

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All right, we're back in the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast. E.J. will give it to you for the next thought. Okay. Reaction. We're going to save the A.J. Brown talk. I think there was another one that I think Eagles fans will be very interested to hear about. Okay. Nick Siriani's comments about the safety position today

really reaffirm what we talked about with Howard Roseman's press conference where we did the takeaways last Sunday night. You can get that in your feed. You know, after you finish watching this show, you can get that in your feed. You can watch that if you haven't already. Yeah, Nick Siriani on the safety position.

There are guys on our roster that you're excited about and there are opportunities to add different pieces. The offseason is incomplete right now. There are so many more steps to go. You see how many times we've added guys. And really he was talking about adding guys late in the, late in the process, whether that's, you know, after the draft, whether that's, you know, right before week one. And yeah, I just, I think it is very noteworthy that there wasn't a company

line. Similarly, some of the other things that we'll talk about, especially with AJ, there could, they could have come out with a company line. We have a lot of confidence in Marcus Epps. He's played really good football for this team. You know, he played good football for us down the stretch last season. We think that, you know, we, we, we feel confident that if Marcus Epps is our starter, that we can succeed with that. It's much more like listen we should it's very interesting you shouldn't you shouldn't evaluate like honestly Michael Carter you know I know that there are people in that building who are bullish about Michael Carter you know Nick wouldn't even say that he's moving to safety today which again I think it's probably just Nick not wanting to give very much up but yeah

they could have come out and thrown a like vote of confidence parade for somebody and they they have not they've really harped on I think there's a lot of surprising. Oh I think listen yeah we are we are not done at the position. We're going to add guys potentially, but we also saw Marcus Epps really do a good job for us last year. And we know that if we had to line up week one, then he would do a good job, you know, that. And they haven't, yeah, they are, neither of them is going forward with that. So I think that is interesting. Yeah. I mean, what I said yesterday, I just don't. Because now they're not, they're not giving themselves an out. Yeah, they can. It is how they go into week one. In my opinion, they can't draft like a safety on day three and be like, see, we added. We told you

we were going to add. I think that it has to be a significant... They can do whatever they want, but... No, I mean... But the way that they're talking about it... accountable to what they're saying right now, I don't think that a day three safety or an undrafted safety, even like, they draft a guy... I mean, if they draft the guy in the third round,

I think that's like, okay, that's... They think he's going to start. But I wouldn't have guessed... I don't... I hope they don't do that. So do you think it's a trade? Trade for a veteran? I don't know.

It's got to be... It's got to be something. I think at this point, it has to be something. Like, that, is the way that they framed this, they have to have a move at some point between now and week one. And it might be training camp. We might go into training camp and watch Marcus Epson, Michael Carter,

compete in that first team spot opposite Andrew McCuba, assuming Drew McCuba is ready for training camp. But yeah, I just, I do think the way that they've talked about the safety position is a little bit different than what I would have expected. I agree with that. Yeah. I don't know that I think that it means that they have to deliver Buddha Baker or whoever else.

Yeah. But it's interesting that they're not giving themselves like this could be our week one group. Right. Yeah. It's just incomplete is the word they keep using when they talk about the safety position. So yeah, I think that they're,

I don't know what it's going to be. Maybe it will be Justin Simmons finally, but there's something. There's got to be a move there. Is Justin Simmons even still playing? Come on. I mean, it's just, it's, I don't, he's just like my favorite, like,

Not an eagle, but it feels like he would have been, he would have played for the Eagles at some point, given how much Eagles fans have talked about him as a potential addition. Okay. Can I give you my silly take? Please. Going back to the way that Nick talked about Jalen. Yeah.

I'm like needing a break from each other. Okay. I'm going to really editorialize here. Oh, no. Okay. Let's do it. I think it says a lot about, Nick and Jalen's relationship.

He's like, you know, it's important that we get this break from each other too. That Nick has not yet read Jelan's book. I don't know if that's fair. I don't know if that's fair.

I mean, I mean, I mean, I asked it jokingly, like, have you read Jelan's book? He's like, oh,

no, but I saw it in the airport and then like, I had too much stuff to buy it to carry, but I'm going to buy it to pat. He said he didn't want to buy it. Totally understandable.

I'm not saying that. Like, yeah, but I do feel like, I mean, if I was your boss and you wrote a children's book, I would, don't you think I would go out of my way to read it and just be like,

hey man, congrats on the book like, my kids really enjoyed it or something like that. Like, I don't know. That feels like a little bit. Let me play devil's advocate. It's a very easy lift.

Let me play devil's advocate. Like on the flip side, if you were my boss and I wrote a children's book, I would give you the children's book. It would be in your office. I get it mailed to you. That's interesting. That's a good point.

Cuts both ways. Maybe this is on Jalen. I think it is like a fun observation. Maybe it's telling that Jalen didn't send him a copy. Yeah, he didn't send me a copy either. That's a good, that's a good, that's a good take. So I don't know. I think you could read too much into it on either side of it.

But, you know, but I think it's, I think it's an actual interesting thing in just the nature of their relationship. Yeah. If they were buddy, buddy, I think he would have read the book. I mean, I think it's pretty clear at this point that they have a good word. working relationship. I do. I would say there's the relationship better than it has been in the past. Contrast us with the way that he talked about Jalen in the new offense. Like yeah, you know, the one thing I love about Jalen is he's going to do whatever it takes to try to win a game and you know, that gives us supreme confidence.

Of course, all of that stuff is still there. Yeah, the relationship is better than it has been in the past. I think it's safe to say. And I think it's also safe to say, I don't think a couple years ago, you could have told me that their relationship was like an issue for the team. I don't think it's an issue at this point. But to your point, it probably is a window into like, I don't know, like I'm going to be messy. Who could have written a children's book on the Eagles like roster, who you know, like Nick would have had it day one. Kenny Gayne well. Yeah, maybe. Maybe Nick's just not a big children's book guy. Maybe that's side of this thing you know I think that that's a that's a possibility the comments are very funny

okay I mean that's not nice I kind of think it's a little something very apropos for the court jester yeah I don't know I don't like to read too much into that but I get what you're saying I mean he could have if I were him I would have just been like yeah I read it totally yeah he could he could love but I'm glad he didn't lie yeah well that probably means that he's honest that he's going to buy it on the way back he probably saw it at the airport he was like oh cool i'll get it when it's also he i mean he's so head down it's possible he wasn't even aware yes okay yeah all right what you got all right um do you want to do the a j brown of it all or do you want to save a j for the next segment okay uh nick poo poohed my uh suggestion that they are

prioritizing adding former quarterbacks because they really want someone to see it through the quarterbacks lens um i won't read the whole quote but he said i don't look at it that way quarterbacks have a unique perspective of the game because of everything that it requires to play the position, but it goes back to adding good pieces and good coaches. So I think it's more of a it just so happened that they had a lot of former quarterbacks added to the staff. But I do think it is setting up, whether it's intentional or not, it's setting up a situation where there's really not like, I don't want to say there's no excuses for Jalen Hertz.

I mean, that's probably too strong of a statement. But I do think they have a scheme that they think he should be able to fit into well. you know, Nick talked about the play action pass game. Have you noticed that every time Nick talks about like the things that they're really pushing with this new system, like play action is at the forefront of it. Talks about that a Vikings game. Yeah, yeah, how he had a perfect passer rating and that was a play action heavy game. I think I think Nick Siriani is putting up, pushing all of his chips in the middle of the table

when it comes to the play action passing game with this team next year, you know, what Sean Manning is going to implement how, you know, Chris Cooper's run game or, you know, I guess Ryan Maffee's run game is going to fit with the play action game. I think that that is, I mean, it's priority number one from what we've heard from Nick Siriani. But I do think with as many former quarterbacks, people who can understand what it needs to look like through Jaylen's lens, you know, through the quarterback's lens, I do think it's kind of setting up. I wouldn't say no excuses, but a situation where you would expect a quarterback to be able to succeed. Did he, after I left, say anything about the Andy Dalton edition? Not too much.

I mean, I brought him up in my question. And yeah, I think it's more about like who they are is like being able to see the big picture. Okay. Rather than, you know, adding players that are like, okay, you can understand what Jalen is seeing out there. And do we have any sense of what Gerard Johnson's job is? Yeah, Nick didn't really get into it. I think he kind of, he kept it vague in the sense of like it was just an opportunity to add a good coach. which, you know, I take him out of his word there.

All right. There you go. Time for us to take another break. On the other side, we'll talk about A.J. Brown, what Nick Serriani had to say. And a little bit of news that is potentially A.J. Brown related for these summer plans. Stay with us. Ashley's anniversary sale is going on right now. And there are some huge deals you don't want to miss.

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with AJ Brown potentially on the clock, and an interesting bit of news about some summer plans. Yeah, so I would say these two things may be related. So let's start with the news. The Eagles are going to have joint practices in Foxborough, Massachusetts. I don't need any practice, man. With the New England Patriots. It's the second time they've been there in, what, the last three years? I wonder if you could suit up for both teams at once, man.

Is that legal out here? I'm actually not sure. I don't know, but I'm going to check. So yeah, it will be, I put it at 95 turkeys, and A.J. Brown is there. I'm pretty confident that A.J. Brown will be at those joint practices. Now, what color he will be wearing? What if we trade him to the pets and then we trade for him back, dude?

That would be Howie Potter right there As a shout out to Anthony Shout out to Cuzz with that one Howley Potter's good I'm gonna start using that Make something out of nothing magic Yeah so the Eagles are gonna have

Joint Practices with the Patriots Like I said I would expect AJ Brown to be there I think I know people are tired of this conversation I know people are tired of like parsing through comments But like I do I've had even more thoughts on the way that Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani today

have answered the AJ Brown question so let's start with Nick's quote when asked if AJ was will be at if he if he expects AJ to be at the facility at the start of the offseason program which is next month a good pointed question yes Nick says nothing has changed there AJ is an eagle nothing has changed from the last time I spoke to you guys that's where we are. And then the follow-up was, so will he be at the off-season program? Nick didn't answer it. I would be generous in saying that he nodded. Okay. I don't, I don't, I don't, generous of you. He didn't answer the question. Yeah. I think he was trying to be dismissive of the question. Like, he sort of put his hand up and went, yeah. I don't, I don't know if that's not a yes,

that's not a no. It's somewhere in between. That's just me reporting. What happened? Um, to me we talked about this with howie you know a j brown is a member of the philadelphia eagles and i've i've seen some different readings of it that i think are fair that it's when you hear that from a general manager i wrote this on all p hio i com this morning when you hear that from a general manager it's usually not a great sign for the players prospects of being on the roster yeah long term nick's answer today like coupled with howie's answer it probably decreases my turkey count a little bit that AJ's back. I think it's fair to say that we've been a little high on this.

We've been high on it. Not Howie Potter high. No. Yeah, just we've been a little higher than I would say the sentiment here would lead you to believe. The thing about their answers that makes me a little bit lower, like probability that he's back. Probability that he's back.

What did I say it weird? No, it's lower. Oh, okay, nice. I get what you're saying there. The thing about it... How does that feel, baby? In the past, they've, like, projected strength when talking about AJ situation. Maybe they're just trying something different.

No. I don't think that they're just... Oh, yeah, whatever. Let's just see how this one goes. Yeah. No, they've projected strength in the past. He's a great player. You know, we are not in the business of trading great players.

Even Nick, like, obviously he did like the I can't guarantee anything's going to happen. Yeah. But he still, you know, said, like, he's... We want him back and he wants to be here. You know, it's like there has been a like, again, like a position of strength. Like they do not, they're not just going to trade him, right? And these answers are a lot less about projecting strength, a lot less about maintaining leverage and a lot more just about like the situation is what it is.

And that's, you know, we don't have anything to say about it. I think the fact that like they don't have anything to say about it. And this is where like the conversation can be exhausting because it's, It's like that like nothing's really changed, you know? And that maybe the read is that it's a stalemate. Maybe the read is June 2nd. We will revisit this. But I do think that their their total shift makes me a little bit less confident about where they stand.

I have a caveat, but I don't want to go on too long here. Well, it is a delicate balance related to on the clock here. Yeah. If they're going to trade at AJ Brown, and there is a handshake agreement in place for a June 1st, June 2nd trade, they're not ready to go into the season at wide receiver, right? Devante Hollywood Brown and Darius Cooper.

Really, Devante Darius Cooper and Hollywood Brown. Of course. Is not ready for prime time for a team with Super Bowl aspirations and one last ride with all these guys. Yeah. But if you draft a wide receiver in the first round, there goes your leverage with AJ Brown, right?

To some degree. Not necessarily. I mean, if they draft like Chris Bell, well, he'll be out. So I mean, if they drafted a like A.J. Brown light,

you know, like a baby A.J. Brown, which would be funny. If they drafted a player that is very stylistically similar to AJ, maybe then you would say like, those guys really don't coexist that well. But realistically, like, you could just,

I mean, they've talked about the depth that receiver being a priority for them. Yeah. Especially if it was somebody like Chris Bell, you could still have leverage there. But to your point, the thing that I'm still hung up on, even with my, like, you know, even with me being a little bit lower on a turkey count that I was, whatever, whatever it was, 12 hours ago or whatever it was.

I just, I really think there's only one major suitor. It's the New England Patriots. We'll hear from Mike Rable tomorrow, which I think will be interesting. Yeah. And with that, like, I'm not sure that the Eagles asking price is, I think it's fair to say that the Eagles asking price has been the hang up here. They want a lot for A.J. Brown, justifiably so. He's a great player. And I think that, like, unless it's always been about leverage. And when I've been high, like, when I've been high on the likelihood that A.J. Brown gets traded. It's been because I think there are enough teams to drive the price up to where the Eagles will have the asking price. I'm less confident about that now. because of the fact that there again, there's really only one suitor. And to this point, they have not been able to find common ground on a potential trade package.

So, you know, maybe June 2nd rolls around. The Eagles are a little bit more willing to trade him because they can offset the dead cap hit. And oh, by the way, like they're going to get the Patriots future first like they wanted, rather than getting the 31st pick in this year's draft. Maybe that all falls into place and that's why the trade happens. But if they hit another snag, it's not like they can pivot and trade him. I don't think they're trading into the ramps. I don't think they're trading him to a team that they're going to compete with in the conference.

So the landing spots are just harder to pick out than they were, you know, maybe a month or two ago. Do you think that Howie is willing to, in front of the league, like knowing what his asking price was, settle for significantly less? That's my remaining hangup. Yeah. Is I don't think, like, I mean, what Waddle went for. Because if he is what he does that, then it's a. it's a signal that all of his asking prices are, you know, he's willing, he's willing to come down, you know, he's got a reputation as a negotiator to maintain.

Yeah, it's, it's tricky, you know, like the Hassan Redick trade was still like, you know, like in a, you could package, you could frame the Hassan Reddick trade in a way that was still favorable for the Eagles, even though it maybe wasn't exactly what we thought they'd get for him, you push it out in the future years and you get a future pick that looks like what you would have expected to get for him. I don't know. I don't think. The tricky thing is like putting a number on it.

So like Waddle went for a one plus essentially. Like if the Patriots are just offering you their future first, are you doing that deal for A.J. Brown, especially when the asking price has been significantly more. Yeah, but if AJ has said, I'm not playing for your team. Yeah, we don't know that. Right. Yeah.

And I would still be surprised if A.J. Had that much of a like a hard Stance where it's like he's not coming back. I'd be a little surprised at that. Yeah My my percentage is lower. I'd probably back under 50% back under 50. Yeah Just we know what's funny though? We have no consistent. No, no, you know what's funny is that like I was I was pretty low at the Super Bowl I was like I think I think he's gone and then like you know we get through the like we're we're kind of home for a little bit and I'm going back up and I'm going back up and and then combine I dropped a little bit and then I kind of go back up again it feels like every time that the whole league convenes together my my confidence level in a day being back drops like when you're talking to people around the NFL yeah I think that my my perception changes a little bit all right well let's close the book on on the clock presented by Ashley and you know starting next week we're going to get into our position by position previews of the draft I'm looking forward to doing that wide receiver work.

See if there are guys for a second round, it makes sense. Yeah, it's a fun class. I'm excited to watch a lot of these guys. All right. Why don't we take our last break here on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. Stay tuned. More Nick Siriani takeaways coming your way from the PHNX studios just after this.

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Who Nick Siriani stood next to. Oh, it's funny. You'll never guess. I'll never guess. I don't think you'll guess. It's only standing next to one person? I mean, yes. He's on the end.

Yeah, he's on the end. He's on the end. He's standing. He's really on the periphery of the photo. Like the way, the angle of the photo that Nick sent us, there's a gap between him and this coach, which honestly makes sense. That's the big hint I'm going to give you. There's a gap.

There's a little bit of a gap. I mean, of course. They're not touching. That's the hint you're going to give me. Okay. You would be a funny one. You'd be surprised that he's standing next to this coach of all coaches. Could be Mike Lafleur.

That's an interesting. But it's like somebody, hold on. Let me let me get. I want to give one guess. Okay. Guess in the chat if you haven't seen it. Sean Pate in a bit. But if it's if it's either going to be someone who like nobody knows or it's going to be

someone he's had beef with. Um, is it Brian Dable? It's not Brian Dable. I would like that. All right. Is it Mike Vrable? No, that would be funny too. Okay.

Not Joe Brady, not Jeff Halfley, not Aaron Glenn. Brian Dabal, not Mike would be like the crash out kings. Not Munkin. Not Taylor. Did I piss it? Pass it? No. Did I piss it?

Not Stikein. Not Demeanor. go. Yeah, Steichen would have been the one. Yeah, that would make sense. I haven't seen Stiking around. I haven't seen him. He's in the picture.

It's weird seeing Shane without a hat. Is it Shanahan? No. Okay. And it's not killing more because that would make sense. CDP, you got it. Are you in the chat? No, I'm not.

CDP got it. Is it Dan Campbell? No, you're close. In a way. LaFloor? No. You're close in a way. Just tell me.

Dan Quinn. Oh, that makes sense. I wouldn't. No, it doesn't. They had beef, though. They stick together. Oh, they don't? They literally had beef at the end of the season.

I was surprised. That's not that. That's not that crazy. It is that crazy. It is weird, though. There is a space there. They're much further apart than. Yeah, because they got beef.

Yeah. Now, Sala, he has beef. Remember, he has beef with Sala from the preseason. Yeah. He's just hanging. Maybe that's why there's the gap. Yeah. He's really squinted.

I think we need to get Nick some sunglasses. Yeah, he doesn't look happy to be there. Now Nick points out, Nick field, again, chat on Nick. Okay. He points out that how he's like front and center. But I just think that that's like speaks to the fact that like how he like knows everyone and like has like a good relationship with everyone. He wanted to be with his boy Schneider.

Yeah. I should have made you guess who he's. Now hold on. Does. And the coaches, because Schneider's front middle sitting. Does Mike McDonald get that same treatment as like the defending Super Bowl champion? Kind of. Yeah.

Yeah. He honestly is sitting the same. spot and more of less yeah okay all right well this was fun I can't believe you're surprised that you didn't think that Dan Quinn was no but they're already connected I thought it when I thought you like you'll never guess who we're standing next to that yeah I would have thought that they would have stayed away from each other you know don't don't cross me hmm beef's cold I guess all right what do you think the Brown's pulling their proposal for five years out

training draft picks it's probably the right thing for the league to do because usually when they pull these proposals out because they know that they don't have the votes to get it through you don't have the votes um i think it's probably a good thing for the league you know we talked about it uh a little bit before nick got there in like the hour and change that we had to kill uh from getting our seat at the table and then you know just having a nice chat with everyone i think if you're the NFL your concern need should be that like you get to protect the teams from themselves yes and you need to protect the league from having games that are irrelevant you know and I think that especially as the league pushes toward you know we we haven't

really talked about the NFLPA and the CBA but I think like my concern is someone who consumes NFL content all the time and cares about the well-being of the NFL is is that like does it at some point get to a place that other sports are at where not every game feels significant you know like the scarcity of the product is some is important to the product I'm not worried about that. They're going to be putting games on every day. Yeah, but the thing is the upshot with that is at some point you're going to cheapen the Sunday slate so much. I agree.

That your main product is going to take a hit. And if you've got teams that trade, like, you know, let's use the Clippers as an example. Like, if you've got teams that trade their entire future away for a player like Kwai Leonard, you know, like the Deshaun Watson example is the other one. Like, that's the perfect example. Yeah. Imagine you trade five years of first round picks for, let's say, Joe Burrow. and then Joe Burrow can't stay healthy for that time. Like all of a sudden,

Bengals games for years are irrelevant. So I think that for that reason, it makes sense that they didn't push it through. I think it would have been fun, but probably not good for the NFL. Super chat from wide receiver Ferguson, ASU, says, why aren't you doing a remote somewhere more fun?

Biltmore has some good restaurants, Old Town, Scottsdale, Scottsdale quarter to. Where is the Phoenix studio? I mean, first of all, we got two people here. do the best we can these are beautiful studios here in downtown

Phoenix I love these I like these places you know maybe next next tomorrow we'll do some we're gonna do another stream yard deal but I don't know don't let this guy peer pressure you no events I appreciate the super chat

I appreciate you watching thank you for your support yeah this is this is a fun setting plus where are you going to get a better view of our legs yeah this is tough you know this is tough year for the legs you know like Why? Because my

Like it's a Smith thing that like we've got like kind of different shades going Going throughout different spots you know they don't see the sun that much That I never noticed like the under the underside of my arm you know you got to we'll work on it You know the sun's coming out we will we will tan these legs up okay you should see like I always wear ankle socks You should see what like what underneath these ankle socks looks like you'll be it'll blind you All right. I will give you a takeaway just on Sean Mannion. And I don't know if this matters, but there is a consistency in the way that both Nick Siriani talked about him

and then Matt LaFleur talked about him. At the same, like pretty much at the same time too. Where essentially all they're saying is, I've never been around anybody who works as hard as this guy. Yeah. Now, sometimes I think that can be overstated. And like, I don't know that I need you to be a hard worker. if you're not bringing like expertise to the table.

Yeah. But it's at least it's a consistent theme with him. And Lefleur said, you know, both when he was around him as a player with the Rams and then obviously as a coach with the Packers the last two years, it all kept going. And you know that that's going to be something that appeals to Siriani. Yeah. Yeah.

And he mentioned it too. He mentioned that he's got a relentless work effort. And, you know, just that he's been at it 110% all the things you do. expect to hear but yeah it was the thing that stood out to me is that they've said it like at the same time so it's you know i mean not that they would have coordinated their answer anyway but still it is disappointing that we haven't just had a chance to talk to the guy yet yeah it really it reminds me of that jonathan gannon situation in 2021 where it was like why haven't we heard from the defensive coordinator for a while um i don't think it's the same reason but yeah i mean it's just the reason is

this is how they do things now they it's sad i would love to hear from him yeah i'm sure fans would too. All right. What do you got next? I just have small ones from here. I thought it's not necessarily surprising, but to kind of close the loop on the Hollywood Brown and Elijah Moore, like vision, Nick talked about their speed being a point of emphasis. Again, I don't think that that's kind of surprise anybody, but I do think there's a prioritization to make sure that that number three receiver is a field stretcher this year. Okay. And that they didn't have sufficient depth at that spot in the last few seasons. What did Nick say when asked about Jahad Campbell and the offseason recovery for him?

Yeah, he said that he like loves football and that he works really hard. It was a good question by a friend of the show, former colleague, Olivia Reiner. Yeah. But yeah, it was mostly about that Jahad Campbell just is, you know, he loves football. He's always around football. He's all ball. So not as much insight on the timeline or, you know, where he's at. Okay.

What else you got? Let's see. That's it for me. I'm done. Okay. I got some. Maybe I don't. Here, let me refer to the old notepad.

Ah, the old noty note. Oh, he said he loves Johnny Munt's toughness. The old Patti Pad. You know, I wrote that one down. You know, I enjoyed some Johnny Munt talk. Talked about the importance of having combo tight ends, guys who can do both, you know, be. Well, it's important because, you know,

you have a guy who's only on the field when you run, then the defense knows. If you got a guy's only on the field when you pass, the defense knows. You got to have a guy who can do both. Get you a man who can do both. That's basically exactly what he said. Yeah, he said that he needs guys

who will be efficient in both areas. I thought it was interesting. Oh, you know what? I do have notes on this one. He was discussing like the idea that the Eagles are going to bring back very similar personnel on offense, something that Howie also discussed Sunday night. And basically Nick said it's on them as the coaching staff,

which I think, you know, it's, I don't know what minute we are in the show here, because I can't read that. 55. But that, to me, it's, we probably should have gotten to that earlier than the 55th minute of the show because I do think that that is one of the major themes going in the next season that the Eagles really did kind of run it back personnel-wise, at least right now, it seems like they're going to run it back personnel-wise. Maybe they add a tight end early in the draft.

Maybe they add a wide receiver and they trade AJ Brown. So it looks a little bit different. But the main characters, for the most part, on this offense are going to remain. And the biggest changes that they've made to address the fact that they struggled significantly on offense have been on the coaching staff. I think that does, you know, I said earlier in the show, like, you know, they've added so many former quarterbacks.

It kind of takes away some excuses that you could make for Jaylon Hertz. The way that they've operated on offense this offseason, there will be very few excuses for Nick Seriani if things don't improve. So, and I think, you know, his answer alluded to that, you know, that it is on them as the coaching staff to bring the change that they need to get back on track offensively because yeah the players are mostly going to remain the same mostly i think that's right yeah i mean do you think that that goes circles back to the discussion we had before about nick and his enthusiasm that he knows that this is one last ride potentially i'm i'm certain that he's not

looking at this is like one last ride at least not for him maybe for like this era of the maybe this version of the team maybe that's how he view how he would view it but yeah i'm I think he probably understands what's at stake, you know, and maybe that's part of it. Because, yeah, he laid it out as cleanly as you would, as you would like. Like, it is on them as the coaches to make sure that this offense looks different next year. Yeah. I mean, it's where all the turnover has been. It surprises me a little bit, you know?

Like, when entering the off season, the conversations we were having is like, I just thought there would be a little bit more turnover on the margins. Yeah, or even honestly, I figured there would. be changes with some of the main characters. You know, when you entered the offseason, you would have looked at Lane Johnson, Dallas Goddard, AJ Brown, you add Landon Dickerson into there. Like, you know, I don't think a little bit really thought Lane or

Lennon were leaving. I mean, Lane, I was 50-50 on Lane that's at the start of the offseason. I would have expected more turnover. Then it's not a bad thing. It's a good thing that they've been able to keep these great players. But again, it does put more onus on the coaching staff to figure out how to get it right with this collection of players. All right.

a little bit left on the bone, as it were here on the PHA Y Eagles podcast. Let's get to it in overtime. Right now tonight, E.J. Yeah. We got the mixer. The hob-nob begins. Oh, yeah. What owner are you most looking forward to talking to?

Jeffrey, obviously. I talk to Jeffrey all the time. I don't talk to Jeffrey all the time. Maybe you do. You're a good reporter. Jeffrey calls me all the time. Yeah, that wouldn't shock me. Like I said, you're a good reporter.

Yeah, I don't know. What owner are you most excited to talk about? I need you to ask Cali about the back to the future. Probably. I don't know. Maybe we should do, maybe we should do for the vlog. Just asking 31 owners how they feel about Josh Harris being in the Epstein files. You can do that one.

Good luck with that one tonight. Yeah. Are you excited to talk to Josh Harris tonight? I don't know. I mean, I don't know if we can be in the same room, the two of us. That's probably too much sex appeal, don't you think? You know, I hadn't thought about it. This might surprise you, but I hadn't considered, I hadn't considered that.

It's a fun part of fire alarms will start going on. Do you think they're going to have a petting zoo? They had a petting zoo a couple years ago. Yeah, llamas. Yeah. Or no, it wasn't llamas. It was alpacas? Yes, it was alpacos, I think.

a little smaller version. I mean, I'm not going to say no to a petting zoo. I mean, I might say no to a petting zoo. Yeah. I have to tell them this story. So Bo and I got dinner late last night. We were on the way back to the hotel.

I don't even know what story. And, you know, it's hot outside. So we got the windows down. We're sitting at a red light. The light's taken forever. Out of nowhere. Oh, yeah. It was like something out of a movie.

The car next to us. This little dog gets up in the window and starts barking at Beau. He jumped out of his shoes. Whoa. Scared. Oh, my God. What's going on? And the best part is the light was taking so long that we just sat there for two minutes.

And the dog is just barking at Bo. The dog definitely knew. Like, you're not a dog guy. Like, I'm about to be all over this guy. I mean, I especially do not like a little yappy dog. I actually don't hate yappy dogs anymore. I love all dogs. Dogs are great.

That dog was hilarious. It was literally. like something out of a movie like a long day you know took a long flight to get in you know worked worked all even not not complaining but you know just like it's it's late it's like line for in and out burger was too long yeah we had to we had to bag that went to water burger instead shout out what a burger um you know it's the end of a very like you know again not a like a hard day necessarily but just a long stretch and we're both just sitting there it's quiet and then all of a And that dog just jolts you awake.

So shout out to that dog. Not a bad dog. Talking. Careful. I don't need to see that dog ever again. CDP with a super chat in just under the wire. Rank the NFL owners. We can't do that.

Right. Take out Jeffrey. Yeah. If you were a fan of a team, give me your top three owners. Top three owners. I would say, that's too hard I'm like really trying to scan through the league now

you have a list in front of you looking at the teams number one by far the Packers no owner yeah that is okay that's a good start I think Biscotti is pretty good yeah Bashati Bishotti

that's about it the tricky thing is like I want to say some teams but I don't know enough about like what they do outside of football you know like I'm I'm really ham showy Allen was a good one but she's still on the team like I would say the the hunt family yeah yeah that's what I mean you know like just from like a organizational standpoint yes but yeah yeah it's easier to pick out the worst signs yeah I think the Roonies are solid yeah I don't know this is hard what about

the Pagoulas. No. Yeah. All right. This is too hard. Yeah, they're mostly bad. I mean, almost all evil people. Well, that's, that's, I wouldn't go so far saying that's hard to become a billionaire without

being an evil person. It's hard to become a billionaire without having that killer instinct. Yes, I would agree. I'm trying to be more neutral than you. We're about to be around all these people. Yes. I would agree. It's hard to like, it's just, I don't want to.

rank them because of the fact that like I don't understand the full picture with a lot of them. The only thing I would say as a fan of European soccer, as you might remember, the NFL ownership could, it could be a lot worse. And if they open it up to, you know, a wider pool of people who want to invest in these teams, I've seen like what Premier League teams ownership looks like. I mean, there are levels to evil, you know? Sure. I hope that that never happens. Like, if you just look at the 20 Premier League teams,

there are some ownership groups that would make you, would pale in comparison to what we're talking about here. Okay. I didn't think that CDP was going to ask such a tough question. He probably didn't expect us to struggle with it that much to be fair. I mean, we're here in Phoenix. I think it's, I think if you were a football fan, the bidwills might be number 32.

Yeah, but to say, like, worst owners. I mean, Jerry Jones. I think Jerry's better than most, actually, if you're a fan of the team. I don't know if I'd agree with that. I think the issue with Jerry is that it's not always about the success of the team. It's more about the success of the business. Yeah. And that would be very frustrating.

Yeah, but oftentimes those are aligned to some degree. They may not like, I think that's better than a cheap. owner. Yeah, but there are times where he is cheap because of like the success of the business. Yeah. I think that's overstating a little bit. I don't think he's like bottom three, but. Oh, I don't even think he's bottom 10.

I don't even think he's bottom half. I think he's probably, I put him in bottom half. I definitely put him in bottom half. I think you're underestimating how bad most of the owners are. It's tough. It's tougher than you would think to pick like a good ownership group. He's better than the McCaskies. He's better than, uh,

uh, Tepper. He's better than, uh, the saints people. He's better than the, uh, certainly the Cardinals people.

It's better than Stephen Ross. He's certainly better than the Jets people. He's better than, he's better than the Pagulas. Uh, that's where are you losing. He's way better than Mike Brown. He's way better than,

uh, Mike Brown, yes. The Brown's guy. Uh, he's better than Shad Khan. He's better than the Texans. No,

he is better than Shad Khan. I think you're, I think now you're wrapping up. wrapping up like the whole picture of the person in there. No, I think Shad Khan's a better guy, but Jerry Jones is a better owner than Shad Khan. I disagree. It's better than the Titans people.

Yeah, he's certainly better than the Raiders. What do you hate so much about Shad Khan? He just hasn't been good. Yeah, I think the organization. I think that the front office there hasn't been good. I don't know. I don't know if I put that at the feet of the owner. And I actually like,

I don't know if I hate like the Jags, like, you know, trying to be the first ones in the European expansion. I got no issue with that. I think that's fine, too. I think any time you hire Urban Meyer, you're letting everybody know you're a moron. That's fair. I got no defense to that. Okay.

All right. Good discussion. Good owners talk on the P.HL. My Eagles podcast. Let's wrap this bad boy up. We will be with you tomorrow throughout the day. We're going to have a live show most likely at 2 o'clock Eastern time again. But Jeffrey Lurie speaks sometime tomorrow.

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