PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Nick Sirianni’s dilemma: Should he sit Saquon Barkley & the Philadelphia Eagles’ starters?

Episode Date: December 30, 2024

It’s the Day After episode of the PHLY Eagles show with Zach Berman and Bo Wulf as they decide what they think Nick Sirianni will do with his star players in what has become a meaningless regular season finale. Saquon Barkley can catch Eric Dickerson, but it would mean exposing him and Lane Johnson and A.J. Brown and DeVonta Smith and Jordan Mailata and Landon Dickerson, you get the picture, to injury as well. For a team that hasn’t had a bye since Week 5, that’s probably short-sighted? Join the conversation with Zach and Bo before they break down the most important piece of film to come out of Sunday’s game. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Bow Wolf, Zach Berman. We got a lot to talk about, and it's all presented by the good folks at Bet365. Download the Bet365 app and use code P.HLY.365 when you sign up. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bet365. Zach, we got a lot to talk about. Are the Eagles going to play their starters? Are they going to go for the record next Sunday? against the New York Giants?

Does it matter? Should they do it? Should Jalen Hertz play? Is there anything that concerns you about this Eagles team hitting into the playoffs? Who were they going to play? And at the end of the show, we're going to break down to the most important footage, I believe, from last night's game. Zach, how you doing? I'm doing great.

Excited for the show. Excited for the week ahead. Excited to see what happens here. Okay. Let's set it up here. The Eagles are locked in to the two. seed if the season ended today, they would be playing the Green Bay Packers here at the link. It can flip if and only if the commanders lose and the Packers win in Week 18.

In that case, it would be the commanders coming here. But right now it looks like it's going to be Eagles Packers, a bit of a nice full circle moment from the season that began with some mall sushi in Sao Paulo. Yeah, so I think that would be a tough draw for the Eagles. I mean, I don't think yesterday afternoon and evening was a favorable outcome for the Eagles. I would rather play Washington than Green Bay. Now, that said, and I've used this comparison today on Anthony's show and on the All-NFL show, it's similar to Oregon fans who might be griping about them getting Ohio State

as opposed to getting Boise State or Arizona State. My view is if you're in the postseason, if you expect to win championships, you have to beat good teams. you don't ask for a lighter burden you ask for broader shoulders right you uh so i i view this as it is a tough draw i think green bay is like a super bowl caliber team in the in the nbc that's a tough seven seed i think washington is the easier matchup for the eagles

but if you're going to win you got to beat good teams yeah i don't i don't really Like, yeah, it's a tough matchup, but so what? You're the two-seeing. Do you get to play at home? It's not that, I mean, it's not a crazy thing. And I think you could even argue that potentially a commander's team that is, that is able to get under the Eagles skin a little bit and maybe get them off their game could be just as dangerous a matchup. And obviously, the variable of Jaden Daniels as a runner. I think the Packers are a very good team, but the Eagles should be better.

And if the Eagles are who they think they are, then they should have no trouble beating the Packers at home. That's a valid point. I have this image or this footage seared in my head. I'm sitting in my Tampa hotel room. It's the day before the Eagles Bucks game last year, and I'm sitting there watching the Cowboys, the Cowboys Packers game. And the Cowboys, correct me from them, they were the two seed, right? The Packers were the seven seed, and the Packers decimated them.

Decimated. Like, Jordan Love was outstanding. Going on the road didn't hurt them. I think Matt LaFlor can put together a really good game plan. Exactly. I think that's a team that playing in the cold isn't, and I don't know what the weather is going to be two Sundays from now, but playing in the colds or Saturday.

Or Saturday is not something that would trip them up. I think that's a good quarterback who's been in the playoffs before. Like you said, LaFleur can put together a good game plan. Yeah, I see your point. You're the two seed. You have home field advantage. But that is a, on the scale of like some of the seven seeds that I've seen in recent years, that's a tougher seven seed.

Yeah. That's not like the bear sneaking in that year with Matt Nagy when they were like a seven, eight win team. Yeah, it's a very good seven seed, but it's still, you know, at best or at worst, the fourth best team in the conference. And if you can't feed them as a two-seat at home, then what are we even doing here? Also, not to get ahead, ahead of ourselves, but the path to the Super Bowl would then be if everything kind of, if all the favorites win would be the NFC North. Yes, would be. That is possible. Would be the Packers, the Vikings are the lions, and the Vikings are the lions.

Right. Yeah. So, yeah, you would be rooting for the six seed to pull off the upset against the three seed. Exactly. So you'd be rooting for the commanders to beat the Rams, essentially, if that is that matchup. But yeah. And I mean, listen, the Eagles have already beaten, what, a few other divisions entirely this season. So maybe they just got to run through the NFC north.

Which is the best division in football this year. There you go. All right. So with all that in mind, I think the big question. question that starts, you know, the dominoes of what the Eagles are going to do this week, is how do you feel about what the Eagles should do with Jalen Hertz? It's a good question because I can see this both ways. And I keep bringing up 2022.

And to refresh the memory of our viewers and listeners, Jalen Hertz missed week 16, week 17. He needed to play week 18. Or the Eagles need to win week 18 to clinch the number one seed. Right. Not he didn't need to play for his own good. He needed to play because they needed the win. Exactly.

But he played well enough. It was like he did just enough. But I do remember speaking to jail and speaking to others in the organization who thought it was especially beneficial for him to have that game going into the postseason. That said that year, they had that opening, they had the first round by. So he still had the rest. But the answer was it was not as if the last time he played was when he got injured. So much different injury. And so that's the other thing.

In that case, you want to see how does he recover from shoulder collarbone type injury? This case, a concussion, I'm not a doctor, but once you're cleared, you should be able to resume your physical abilities. But I also think there's evidence that time helps. Sure. So to me, I know that Jalen Hertz might want to play a little bit in this game. But if we're wrapping into the should they go for the record conversation, and last night on the postgame show, I was willing to be talking to a little bit. Yeah, I was surprised.

If the players really, really, really want to go for it, I can sort of understand that. But that was in the drunken haze of the post game. Now that I have sobered up the next day, it would just be crazy because I don't view this it's not it's not a risk aversion like oh like we can't play them because what if they get hurt

it's it's opportunistic get the chance to give this team rest they haven't had a buy since week five they need that rest you're not going to get it obviously with the buy and you just think about like you know AJ Brown who has been like added to the injury report with a knee injury

each of the past two weeks and is obviously dealing with something lane Johnson who is always injured and is dealing like the entire Offensive line, if you go for it, that's everybody on offense who has to play. And yes, you are, you know, exposing them to potential injury. To me, it's more about like, go get them the rest so that you can come out, you know, all systems go in the playoffs. So I'm just going to put this out here.

I might be getting ahead of the pace of the conversation. I'm just going to give my view on this right now. Personally, I want Seguan to play. From a narrative perspective, how cool would that be to set the record against his former team, a record that has stood the test of time for 40 years, what that means for the player, what that means for his legacy,

what that means for the history of the game, I think that would be awesome to see it, to chronic it. I think that'd be awesome for Sequin. I think that'd be awesome for the team. I'm a bit of romantic about this. Sports like sports is romantic. Sports is about moments. That was my killing more impression.

Oh, okay. I asked him a question last week using the word romantic, which he scoffed at as if I was implying that he wanted to get together with Kenny Pickett. No, like sports are about moments. I think about, I think that be an awesome moment. And I think that when you think of Eric Dickerson's name, you think of that record. Now, what do I anticipate? I don't think Sequan's going to play.

I think they're going to sit the key starters. You can't sit every starter. I think they're going to sit the key starters. For full disclosure here, Nick Siriani, who was scheduled to speak at 315, that got moved up to 2.30. That'll be doing the show. We won't be on that call because we're doing the show. If anything comes out, we will give an update as it comes.

Nick, I imagine, is going to keep kind of kicking this down the line. We're still considering it. To the point that you said about the player. And look, after the game, some of the clips that were kind of discussed on the postgame show, the stuff that was put out from the locker room right away was players saying they wanted to go for it. I don't think that's a universal feeling. No. I think even A.J. Brown, who said in the locker room, like, he might, like, he would like to go for it. He also told Garifalo on the field, like he needs rest.

AJ Brown personally wants rest. I think A.J. wants Seekwon to play and him not to play. Yeah. Lane Johnson was quite adamant. Yeah. It's better to be, you know, it's better be safe than sorry here. They got 2,000 yards. So, yeah, I think there are, especially veterans in that locker room who want the rest. You know, Lane is 34 years old, as he says.

He can use that rest. So that's where I think the Eagles are going to lean. I don't think it's as much, it's interesting. I don't know the answer to that. I'm speculating here. I don't think it's as much the risk of injury as it is, like, giving these guys a chance to take a breath, reset. That's what I said. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's, I'm saying that too. I don't like, I don't think it's like, because I hear this argument. Well, he's been. You get injured walking across the street. Exactly. Yeah.

I think it's like you said, they haven't had their buy since week five. I know they had the Thursday game that offered the mini buy, but. And it's, it's not just the chance to rest. It's a chance for. some of the core starters to get ahead on the game plan for the following week, which would be happening.

Like you said, they would know their potential opponents and they could start to kind of watch film and do work on those guys. I have a slight disagreement with you on like what the moment would be like. Because to me, like,

if we're talking about the romanticism of like what are the moments you remember, the moments are things that are that are unexpected. And so this thing that it's like, it's so perfectly set up, we can all imagine, like, if Sequin Barclay played in this game,

he would break the record, he would do it against the Giants. It's sort of like, that already exists. You know what I mean? It's not like, it's not like out of nowhere he's running for 300 yards

against the Giants and what a, what a few this is. It's like, it's sort of a fait accompli if he does it. And it's, it's not as exciting to me.

Do you remember when Barry Bond set the home run record? But that's a little bit. different. Like, is he going to do it? Or, like, I don't know. I mean, it's, look, look, nothing is a fate of complete. He still has to get 101 yards. I think we all know that if he played in this game, he would get 101 yards against the Giants. So I, yeah, I can keep going on down the list. I think you should write, you should write the story ahead of time as if it happened. No, you can't do that. A nice fictional, a nice, you know, like fanficit. I'm not a cat. I think that'd be fun to read.

I'm a nonfiction writer and a nonfiction reader. what boy okay I that wasn't intended to be a humorous line that was like when Caitlin Collins was it was on when the shows in it and and she she said something about her network being a place of truth and it got a laugh and she's like was that meant to have a laugh track yeah no that line wasn't meant to incite laughter yeah I totally disagree with you I I think that would be a great moment. I can keep going on. Do you remember when Mark McGuire hit, hit 62?

Yeah, I think that's different. Why? Because it's still, like, is it going to happen? At that point, you knew he was going to hit a home run at some point. Yeah, you want to see it. But like, he finished that year with what, 66? Right? Right, but yeah, well, it's the 62.

That's the exciting one. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So, yeah, you don't remember players who got to 59. I think this to me is less about the moment and more about getting to, like, everybody gets to have this banner to bring around with them for the rest of their careers. They're like, they got this record. Well, it's, it's both. It's achieving it.

It's actually doing it. It's the culmination of this entire year. And like I said, you know, you might not remember the postseason appearances of Mark McGuire, but you darn sure remember when he hit 62. You can go on down the list of different moments in sports, of different records that were broken. And the rushing record, I think, is a pretty big deal. So, yeah, I think that's a cool thing, personally. Yeah, I don't know.

I'm a little bit soured on it. I can tell. If the players really want it, like that's a little bit different, but I don't know. I mean, it is a 17th game that that does matter. I don't buy that. I mean, OJ. Simpson did it in 14. So that was Eric Dickerson's record watered down?

Like, you're still breaking the record. You're still, it's, I mean, you're basically, it's, it's like putting the asterix next to Roger Maris to 61, right? Because it wasn't done in, in what, 144 games. So, or was it 150? Yeah, so. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever it was.

Like, no, you, it's like Sequin said after the game yesterday. Teams also ran the running game was different then than it is now. So these are the terms of engagement. These are the conditions at hand. If he goes in the record books as the all-time single-season rushing record, I think that's awesome. If I was there to chronic quit, I think that's awesome. If the fact that he's doing against the team that let him go, that it was very public that they let him go.

I think that's awesome. So, yeah, I mean, guilty is charged in terms of the romanticism there. I don't think it occurs. Yeah, I think it probably will not as well. Let's check out the super chats and see what the people think. K. Red says ZB favored Bo, Wolf, or Brack.

I mean, I respect both. I would have to go, Bo Wolf. I'm on the show of Boe every day. Bo and I came to this job. We've worked together for five years. Somebody tag Bo Brack with that. Let's see what your response. Roe Heats.

But Bo Brack does a good job out in Arizona. I think he does a great job. Yeah. Boat Brock does a great job out in Arizona. So check that out. That's our P.HNX Cardinals show. There you go. Roheat says,

What do you think the Eagles Packers line would be heading into the game? We got to ask Jamie this, right? Jamie's are... I think Eagles 4. Eagles by 4. Eagles by 4. Okay. Yeah, I would say...

I'm going to do a little Price is the right on you, and I'm going to do Eagles 4 and a half. half. Okay. That's fine. Yeah. Jason says, Zach, you're not alone in kissing the ring. Khalif admitted he also loves Tom Brady. He said he's as good of an announcer as he was a quarterback. So that's a joke about him as an announcer, I imagine.

I was actually thinking about this the other day. What's that? I think it's probably more of an inside joke between him and Khalif. When I was growing up, I did not like the best players. Like I remember I was specifically critical of LeBron James and I couldn't stand Duke basketball and hated the Yankees and like, you know, I was very much the contrarian there. And I think that as I started doing this professionally, I had an appreciation for what made the great ones great.

I had an appreciation for optimum performance. And I think that's more what it is is like it's, um, when you see someone have sustained excellence for as long as, like, Tom Brady did, it's just I, it's not that I like, I really respect what he's accomplished. Same thing with Peyton Manning. So that's kind of where it comes from there is that, you know, you don't win all those rings by accident. Chase, Daniel Plainview says,

did Zach Ertz's two touchdowns solidify Nick Siriani as coach of the year? Yeah, I mean, look, Zach Ertz had an outstanding game last night, and he continues doing it, and it's not a surprise to, those who've watched or know Zachert. What do you make of Zachertz on the season? 61 catches for 610 yards and six touchdowns compared to Dallas Goddard, 38 catches for 441 yards and two touchdowns.

I wouldn't even look at a guy as Goddard. I would look at all Eagles tight ends are like right around Zachertz's numbers. Yeah, Zach's aged well here. And Goddard, now Goddard's been productive, but he's been injury prone for sure. and obviously I would have made the same decision they did I would have gone with the younger

this is not like the Eagles made the wrong decision thing it's just the vagaries of like um athletic decline sure like it looked at the time like Zacherts was washed now to be fair Zacherts had two seasons basically wiped out by injuries preceding this but three years later he's this productive in an offense that that obviously doesn't have as many other options as there would be in the Eagles offense but it's actually

to me, it's much more of a Dallas Goddard thing. Sure. This is a conversation for when the season is over, but Eagles are going to have a decision to make. I think it's probably, you're looking at a restructure for Dallas Goddard because he just has not been able to stay healthy. Yeah. And to the Siriani part of this, like,

take away Ertz's spot in Neal's history, which is huge. He's one of the great players of the last 30 years, caught the game-winning touchdown in the only Super Bowl and franchise history is going to be in the Eagles Hall of Fame. This is also like a really productive. player. Like I don't understand why you would be talking trash to a really productive player. So. But it's too bad that the, you know, that the, uh, the Packers and Vikings did not cooperate for the Eagles last night because if, if the Eagles still had a chance at the one seed,

Siriana could this week preemptively call up T.J. Hawkinson via Zoom and that would then guarantee that he would catch the game when a touchdown pass. Yeah. Um, you know, I, I, I, again, I, I don't know all the details there. I, uh, I saw the video, I saw Zach Urch's comments last week, but, I also, I think it was a storyline that was unnecessary for Nick Siriani and for the Eagles. I don't think he should have ever brought it on to the team or himself. And finally, super chat wise, Shea says for romance, if you love him, then you let him go. So maybe that's how you need to approach the Sequin Berkeley moment. That's an interesting interpretation of romance, I suppose.

If you love them, let him go, right? I think if you love them, you know, fight hard for it, right? You know, if you care about something, invest in it. So that's my interpretation of it. That let them go. If they don't love you back, let them go. But if you love something enough, what's that song? There's a song about Memphis.

If you love someone enough, you go wherever they go. that's how we got to Memphis. If you watch the season finale of Newsroom, he sings the song. Yeah, but that's the, that is the lyric. You're looking at me funny, but that is the lyric. If you love someone enough, Memphis, here you go. That's how I got to Memphis.

Yeah. If you love someone enough, you'll follow them wherever they go, or you'll follow wherever they go. that's how I got to Memphis. I guess you didn't watch the newsroom. We'll be back with more on the other side with the P.H.I. Eagles podcast. Game time, this holiday season,

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on the respective sides of the ball for the Eagles this season? The players who play the highest percentage of SNAP, highest percentage, Not the highest volume, the highest percentage. Okay, so at corner, oh, I'm sorry, on defense, I'm going to go with Quinyan Mitchell. That's correct. Okay, because he hasn't been injured. The safeties have been banged up,

Slay's been banged up, and I think Bonn would be close up there, but I would go Quinaw Mitchell. On offense, let's see here. So on the offensive line, Jurgens missed a little bit of time, Myelot missed a game

Lane's missed the game Mackay missed the game and Landon I'm gonna go Cam Jurgens That's Cam Juergens 2 for 2 The man knows his team nicely done That's all

Okay Oh thank you Okay A few of the things from yesterday's game That we didn't really get into On the post game show That I want to get into With you about

First of all I thought a good decision By Nick Siriani At the end of the first half They're at the one yard line fine. And, you know, you could have settled for a few goals after they go for the tush push and don't get it. And then there's two seconds left. You either go for the touchdown. And if you don't get it, you get no points or you could take the points. I was happy that he did indeed

go for that touchdown. I don't know that he was asked about that post camera not. But he was, he was not asked about that post game. More than the post game was big picture, Sequin. Yeah, I mean, the game got so lopsided in the second half that it does get lost that like the first quarter and a half of this game was very much sort of an ugly start for the Eagles. Yeah. Yeah, and because I don't know if I didn't like

some of the decisions early on. I did not like punting the ball on the fourth and one. Fourth and one is on the 46. On the second drive or the first drive? I believe it was the third drive. Okay. Or it might have been the second. No, it was the second drive. Yeah, because it was they go pass, pass, pass on the first drive.

Second drive, they go run, run, run. And that's the thing. You're thinking if it's third and three, and you're going to run the ball, but you're not willing to then go for it on fourth and one at midfield, and why are you running the ball on third and three? Exactly. And I didn't think they need to play a field position game yesterday. And then I was wondering because, you know,

maybe there was a possibility they didn't want to push with Pickett because of the ribs, but then they did it later on the game. So that couldn't have been the reason. Yeah, I was surprised by that, frankly. I thought they would hand it to Sequin. I thought that there was any time a game. Any time that you would hand the ball to Seekwan down there, it would be when you have your backup quarterback who has injured ribs.

Yeah. Yeah, and then Pickett's helmet comes flying off. He did fine. He did fine. He was three for four on the push push. Yes. And actually the one that they said he didn't get, I thought he got. I thought he got too.

But people said maybe his knee was down. It actually seemed like they scored. I hated that pun. Yeah. It seemed like they scored on three consecutive plays at one point, right? Devante played. But yeah, no, I hated that pun. But to the original question, I like the aggressiveness late in the game.

And then late in the half. Defensively. I mean, listen, they gave up seven points. They squeezed the life out of them at the end of this game. But the way that that game started, and the way that they have played the last two weeks, it's so different. We did talk about this on the post-game show

that for so much of the season, this was a down-in, down-out, like success rate dominant defense that was winning all the time. And they've sort of flipped out the last two weeks where they haven't been quite as good on a play-by-play basis, but they're forcing those turnovers.

Obviously, nine turnovers force in the last two games is going to put you in good position. I'm just a little bit concerned about the defense. And this is, listen, this is also part of the Sequin conversation because, you know, I guess you could play some guys on offense and the rest of guys on defense. But we've been talking for a long time about

how many snaps the defensive line has had to take. They could use some time off. And I think, like, if you get a fresh Jaylin Carter for the playoffs, you know, that would be pretty nice. I liked your point about the defense on the postgame show when you were talking about Quinnian. And I thought,

you framed it well, that maybe it's not him struggling per se. It's just that teams are more willing to throw to him after seeing some of these recent games that could have some validity there. I agree that the way this defense has played has, I don't want to say shifted, but they're terrific to the ball and they struggled with that early on. They weren't forcing turnovers in camp. They weren't forcing turnovers early this year. And then I heard what Fran was saying about the way CJ's been in playing the nose for the ball. It's one thing when there are a lot of interceptions, you can say, look, you face Cooper Rush,

the ball gets thrown up there a bit. But what jumps out to me, especially during these past few weeks, is the amount of times they're stripping the ball. And like they're really, it's to Nick Siriani's point, and it's to what Vic Fangio says about the line from Jim Mora, is that if you emphasize something, you should be good at it. And for the amount of times they talk about this. and they talk about these the ball security drills in offense

and taking the ball away on defense they're finally seeing the fruits of it. I just don't know if like forcing fumbles is a sticky stat. Well, and it's also you talk about how much they fly to the ball. You think about a potential matchup with the Packers and you wind back to that week one game when that's not what they were doing. There were lots of mistackles and lots of big plays from the Packers' offense.

because of those mistackles and guys running open after the catch, you would think that that wouldn't be the case this time. No, this is, I think it's a much better team or a much better defense than it was week one. No doubt. Yeah. Now, that was a weird game, bad turf. Week one, teams don't kind of, that,

I don't want to say you throw that game out, but Eagles had new coordinators in both, you know, new coordinators on both sides. I, yeah, it's not like them. If they played Washington, I think both teams know each other well. I don't think that would be the case with Greenback. It does. If you're an Eagles fan of like nightmares, though,

it makes you think of that season when they opened the season with the Kelly Green against the Packers. Cobb gets concussed. Fick comes in. They have a great season. And then in the first round of the playoffs, the Packers come to the link. And for some reason, they throw it to Raleigh Cooper.

He doesn't fight for the ball. Yeah, I would tell Joan Hertz, if you're in that situation late in the game, don't throw it up to Johnny Wilson. And I think we can feel pretty confident that that's not what Jailenerts would do. Yeah, given his normal past disparity. But yeah, there you go. And Jake Elliott, I don't think Nick Siriani would go to the postgame press conference and say we can all count it.

Yeah. Tough. But, you know, there's there's nightmares around a lot of different corners for the Seagulls team. Zach Tanner McKee, one half of football. Yeah. Pretty good. If you extrapolate that over the course of a 17-game season, if he had been the quarterback of the Seagulls team,

these are the numbers. He would be 119 of 136. That's a 75% completion percentage. For 1,836 yards, 68 touchdowns and zero interceptions. Yeah, I wouldn't extrapolate that over a full season. Why not? Who's to say? That's a limited sample size.

That said, this is what you saw back in training camp two years ago. This is what you touted throughout the summer this year. I know fans saw preseason games, but there is clear talent with Tanner McKee. And I'm not buttering you up. When I say you're an astute observer of practice, I bring it up because you were,

when they drafted him, you were skeptical of the McKee pick. And then you had eyes on him in practice and you became a convert. You know, no pun intended. I'm ready to go on my mission. Yeah, yeah. So the Mormon missile, as Jordan Milata called him, I was impressed.

And this is what we've seen. The zip on the ball is clear. He makes good decisions. He put the ball, the two touchdowns. Very catchable balls. The two touchdowns, he put the balls and he put the passes in really good spots. So, yeah, this is, I know Vinny was like messing with me when I said on the post game show that one of them is not going to be here next year. but what do you actually think will happen i think they're going to try to trade mckee oh i'm sorry try to

trade picket flip him for something yeah flip him yeah flip him for something and it's an easy rationalization like you at the time mckee was was coming off of his of his rookie year you weren't ready to turn it over to him then you feel ready to turn it over to him now so you paid you paid a draft picket oh i'm sorry to get picket and then you flip them for a draft pick this year i don't know what that price is going to be I think you're going to see, I think one kind of national invoked storyline that you're going to see this offseason is the Reclamation Project quarterback. I think after the year Sam Darnels having the way Baker Mayfield's played, say, Jared Goff goes to the Super Bowl. I think there's going to be, there's going to be conversations. You can take advantage of this narrative, but I think it's going to be like, is Zach Wilson interested in the teams?

Is Justin Fields interesting the teams? I think there's going to be this thought in place that if you have a talented quarterback and I think the natural talent for Pickett might be different than some of these guys who are top five or top 10, but that sometimes infrastructure matters a lot and that some of these players were just in bad situations. And if you think about it from that perspective,

I mean, this worked out perfectly for the Eagles because they got to show that Pickett could be at least better than he looked in Pittsburgh. He played a good game. And you got like the proof of concept that McKee is probably good enough to be a backup. Yeah. Maybe I mean that that's what they, that's what they should do. Yeah.

And look, I know that if they trade them for like a fifth, let's say, or a sixth, then it's viewed as losing value. I think they'll view it as this year was value. They got this year for him. And now they flip it for something. You get one year of a guy for the difference between a fourth and a fifth round pick. Exactly. That's totally reasonable. Or maybe a sixth when you look at like what Zach Wilson was traded.

for or, but I think Pickett, I gotta think Pickett helped himself. Now, the preseason film wasn't, wasn't very good. But I thought he looked solid yesterday. I thought so too. Yeah. And he moves well. The point has been made, but it's true. Like the, uh, the grand cockatara catch did sort of like start the ball rolling for him

a little bit. And the, the pass that didn't count AJ Brown, I think there's, great pass, great pass, stood in the pocket, took a big hit. Um, I think that there's, uh, you. Yeah, I don't think, I think there's going to be value for him this all season. And I think that's what they do. And they'll have two years as McKee as their backup quarterback. Which, I mean, you shouldn't make decisions based on what you thought two years ago.

But if you think about you drafted him in the fifth round with the hope that he could be a backup quarterback. He has overperformed your, like reasonable expectations every course of the way. Now was the time to let him be the cheap backup for two years. Yeah. And. And then eventually the. starting quarterback. I was going to say like, look, I don't think this, this, this, whatever happened, but like at the end of that McKee contract is when like the financial obligation on

the Hertz deal is, is eventually not there. Yeah. So, uh, I, I don't foresee that being the case, but, um, yeah, Tanner McKee, this is and, and to their credit, this is why you draft a quarterback who intrigues you in the labor, you know, in the, in the sixth or seventh round. And I, I know, Yeah, sometimes it might be clapping Thorpen. Exactly. But if it's a guy who, if you hit on it, it's outstanding value. And if the comparison, if the alternative is, you know, Dylan McMahon, who, I don't say that in jest. What do you do to you?

I'm looking at their sixth round pick this year. Or let's say, you know, Johnny, like, you know, Johnny Wilson is a very favorable outcome. What's that? Anaya Smith. Anaya Smith's a fifth rounder. But, yeah, I think that if there's a quarterback who in, you know, intrigues you and you look at certain conditions in place that you can rationalize or justify why the college performance wasn't what it was, then I think that makes sense.

Yes, the twitching that you can see from Zach is that the Nick Seriani press conference has started and he has to be held hostage here on this show, but that's okay. Life will go on. You make commitments in life. I committed the two to three here. The deals change the press conference right before. Do you think they did that on purpose? I don't think they did that on purpose. No, but it's certainly inconvenient, you know, but this is the, I love doing the show with you, I love doing the PHA Yagle show.

All right, let's take our last break and come back with some film breakdown and a few other leftovers from the game. Guess who's back, baby? Shady Ray. Let's put on our rose. Oh, that's the futures bright segment. We're not doing that.

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I liked the Jeremy Reeves. He was not, I think that was a year when I had a more obvious answer, but he was he's a good little player. Well, he's off the market now. He's a pro bowler. He's off the market, though. Jeremy Reeves got engaged last night. Did you see that?

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So, yes, or he said, still not there, according to our friend Dave Zingarro. Yeah, I think the way that they handled it yesterday sort of tells you. They push to get to 2000. Yes. And I think they're... I don't think they're going to play.

No. Okay. Super chat from Real Time with Prince Blue, who says the Mormon Missile sounds kind of kinky. You know, one thing that I'm really trying to lean into in this show, okay, is that I can play ball, but I need to be in control of what I say and what I respond to. And what happened to yes and? I am not going to play ball with that comment. unlike the people playing with the Mormon missile. That's a you comment.

I'm staying away from that one. Real men sit to pee as a super chat who says, before the season, you said that Saqon would only be here for two years. Do you still anticipate that to be the case? Great question. Yeah, do you want to go first? Sure.

It's interesting, Vinnie before the show last night, was talking about who's going to get paid first, Sequin or Zach Bond. and I don't think the Eelc or Zach Vaughn? As in like he thinks they're going to redo Seingvon's deal and I don't think that they're going to do that.

However, I mean, I think so much to, I don't think they're going to touch his contract going into next season because they paid him for the two full years guaranteed. I think they will see how

his body is holding up at the end of next year and I wouldn't be surprised if he stays here more than two years. I did not think that that would be the case before the season starts. Yeah, that's a good point. I think what you could see

is if this goes well, it's obviously going well. We'll see how the postseason goes and say the start of next season strong. I think what you could see them do is guarantee that third year and ensure that, you know, like because right now it's a three-year contract

with a two-year, what's really a two-year guarantee. If they guaranteed that third year, ensure that he's there, then that could be an interesting, rest in compromise. Now, maybe SACON will be like, hey, I want to hit the market, right? So it could be that. But this really is an ideal marriage between just an outstanding player. I think a team and a culture and a market that fits him well. I know how comfortable he is in this area.

You know, he's planted roots around here. So, yeah, I mean, I think the Eagles would like to keep this going. you think back to Hassan Reda came in and had a deal that really had a two-year structure on it and the Eagles didn't budge Yeah You know Hassan outplayed that deal And the Eagles weren't going to pay him

The top of the market The flip side is AJ Brown came in And after two years, the Eagles were like We're gonna Yeah We're gonna hook you up now AJ Brown is a different point in his career Different position

But Sequin is a special player and I do know for sure that there is, it's mutual admiration. Like they are, he's better than they expected behind the scenes in the locker room, the way he's kind of worked. And yet I don't, I don't think that they need to be proactive about.

No, I mean, they could just franchise him after, or whatever it is. But I guess that doesn't make sense. You would just let him play on that third year of the deal. But I don't, I think the whole point of,

of a running back is like let's wait and see. And if you're making short-term decisions, then maybe it makes sense to pay. But I don't think they need to commit extra time. However, I think you're right that he has been a pleasant surprise to them in almost every way, obviously. Exactly. Yeah. Okay, one thing I want to go over with you, Zach, and now, Fran's going to be in tomorrow to go over the film and tell us the things that actually matter from this game. But we didn't talk about this on the post game show. what I found to be the most

interesting part of yesterday's game and Julia's shouted this out during the watch-along Julie, if you could pull this up Zach, I want you to break down this film for me because I find it absolutely fascinating. Now for the audio listeners, what we're going to have here is going to be a shot of Howie Roseman

in the booth. There you go. And look at this texting form. One finger? A one finger text with the two middle fingers bent in. We're going to get one more shot out of here. Look at it. Here we go.

A one-finger text. This is a man who must be texting non-stop all day long. Could that possibly be the inefficiency with which he's texting? Well, someone who holds his pen weird. I can say it's, I mean, your version of inefficient might be efficient for him. Maybe he has it down cold. I mean, how is it good texture? I'm saying that based on the James Franklin

investigation. That's what I'm going off of. No, so there's there's two different theories here. Okay. You thought about this. Were you aware of this or this is the first time? I saw you videotaping something here. I also got to teach you how to screen record your. No, no, no, no, because it's important for us to not

have the logo. Oh, okay, gotcha. All right. There you go. Good work. Good work. Now, you could edit a screen recording. Yeah.

You could crop that out. Actually, don't think that what I was watching on allows you to screen record. Gotcha. So, a few things. Number one, how he turns, how he turns 50 this June. Okay. So he's sneaky old you're saying. No, maybe he's of the type right.

You know, maybe he grew up more. With the type rating. I cannot imagine that. Okay. I don't. Number one. Number two. Number two.

Perhaps this was Howie's Blackberry form. Howie was in, I never had a Blackberry. But I know Blackberry textures were, are like very, very loyal to their typing. Were you a Blackberry guy? I had a Blackberry. You had a Blackberry. Once upon a time. Okay.

No. And you're a thing. I mean, I did like the tact. response of the keypad, but it doesn't change the way that I type. And the third thing is maybe he had sticky fingers, right? Maybe he was eating something and the thumbs were, or the, yeah, that he was trying to kind to keep his phone from getting smeared. I got to think there was a method to how his madness there.

Okay, so you're going with sticky fingers. I don't know. I mean, I'm, those are three possibilities. It could have been injured fingers, I suppose. I don't think he's dealing with an injured finger. You think there's... Well, I mean, you're throwing out sticky fingers. All of a sudden, I'm the moron for saying they could be injured.

You're a moron, but I'm saying maybe there's chicken wings in there or... I don't know. Something like that, that he's... Yeah, it could be... Are you... Really celebrating the win over the Cowboys. No, and that's a weird comment, Bo. Have you ever been eating something at your computer and you're...

and so certain fingers are dirty, and so you're careful with how you cut. Sure, yeah. It could be that. Yeah, I think that's a possibility. To me, this is the mystery of the season. Can I tell you Chris's theory? Sure.

Is that he was using his calculator to determine, didn't he say that yesterday? To determine, like, how many yards left for... Oh, he could have been using the calculator app. Oh, that's a good. But he does use his left hand, too. So I don't think that's the case. But that's just the theory that's been, that's great.

Left would swipe it up. Oh, that's. But he does, he is, I mean. Chris is, I don't know. But if you're, if you're doing that, then you can just use one hand. That's good work for Chris. That would make sense. Because if I am, let me pull up my phone here.

I think I would still, I mean, maybe. If I'm doing the calculator app. I do, I think. Yeah, you know what? It's interesting because it's so intentional the way that he has those two fingers bent. But it wouldn't make sense. As I'm thinking about the eating, what, you wouldn't eat with those two middle fingers. You wouldn't eat like your.

No, but as I think about this. If I'm doing 2000 minus 1947, let's say, I'm using my index finger, right? Yeah. So it could be that. I think that's a good. Chris, that's outstanding work. Let's take another look here.

Oh, yeah, that's a calculator at if I've ever seen. I mean, but then he also uses his other, his left hand now. Yeah, yeah. Here he's doing two fingers. And it goes up. The pointer on the right and the pointer on the left. Well, yeah, because he clicked the AC on the calculator to clear the screen. You know what?

It doesn't look like he's texting. Yeah, he's true. He's calculating it. I think you're right. Chris. I think Chris is right. Chris should be an investigative reporter. That is also.

I'm pretty sure it was Chris that said it. It may have been Jamie, but I'm pretty sure it was Chris. I think that's what's happening. I think he's doing the Sequan math. Or it's like the contract math. but I think that's as good of a... That's good work. As good of a theory as we have.

Yeah, that's good work. I like that. All right, you got anything that else is happening from the Serianic press conference that is making you break out into hives? Well, I don't like not being there. I want Nick to know that I am there, and I'm not there. But I think Nick's going to live. I would hope so.

That would be a tough codependency. I'm making. Like, I don't think next day is ruined from this. But yeah, no additional information on J.O. and Hertz and whether he's out of the concussion protocol. I saw someone in the chat say that he said the reason why Braden Mann, or I'm sorry, the reason why Jake Elliott kicked was because of Turpin. But why wouldn't they just do that all the time? That's a very fair question. Yeah.

Okay. Can I make the kind of pessimistic turn here on Siriani? Sure. Let's see where you're going with this. Is there, as they enter the playoffs as the two seed? Yes. 14 and 3 season or whatever happens in week 18. Do you foresee any scenario in which Nick Siriani is not the head coach next year?

Is there anything that could happen over the playoffs? That would flip that? Oh, sure. I mean, look, I think, as we said all along, I think that this is going to, I think the postseason is going to be the termination. So if they get embarrassed in the opening round of the playoffs, then all things are on the table. I think Nick's done an outstanding job this year. I think you really have to feel confident in the alternative. The other part of this, too, is that you could say it's not just, um,

I guess one argument you could use if you did decide something like that is that he's entering the last year of his deal. You don't believe in having a lame duck coach. You're not ready to give an extension, right? That's interesting. But, no, I mean, I think Nick's going to be the head coach next year. And I think Nick's earned that. But yeah, I mean, you never know what could happen if you get an opening round exit. if there's a questionable game management or something like that,

you know, everything's magnified in the postseason. Everything. I mean, I, you, yeah. And like, for instance, if they have the game versus Green Bay that Dallas had last year. Sure, exactly. That would. Well, I don't, because I don't know. And I said this last year.

I don't think you would move on from Nick and just start a coaching search from scratch. I think you would move on from Nick if you had someone in mind. Yeah, like I think they're going to keep Vic either way. Yeah. So, no, I mean, so my, yeah, I don't think it's something that is like even in, in Jeffrey Lohor's frame of reference right now, or is something he's even considering.

But yeah, if you have a first round exit, you have a coach who's entering the last year of his deal. There's, there's, look, Nick's going to get an extension this offseason or he's not going to be the coach. Like, he's not going to be a lame duck coach next year. Yeah, I would, I would honestly, I would be more worried about game management miscues than like a blowout loss. Okay. I think that. So like if it's the Atlanta game or something?

Yeah, something like that. whereas these things that you were supposed to work on you, you have not digested those lessons. I don't know. But yeah, I mean, obviously he's in a good position. Yeah, and he should be. And he should be. But we've, I don't want to be hypocritical.

I've said all along this entire season that this is about the postseason. And he's done a darn good job putting them in position. I mean, if you're at the two seat, if they, let's say they finish 13 and 4, let's say they lose this game. They don't play their guys. They lose this game. they play their guys and they win and they're 14 and 3. It's really hard to move on from a 13 win coach or a 14 win coach.

It's really hard to move on from a coach who's been to the postseason four years in a row, who's had three years of double-digit wins, who's been to the Super Bowl. That's, now you could say it was real hard to move on from a Super Bowl winning coach who the one year he doesn't make the postseason who do it. That worked out well for him. so there's there's different ways you can view it i mean i i expect nick to be back but this season everything about the seasons ahead of them here right the story has yet to be written here this is this is going to be determined by what they do in the postseason

all right a couple super chats to check in on before we close up shop here uh davy oh no no you know what i have pronounced it to v in the past but he has corrected me it is actually just pronounced david so david says out of Bechton, Bonn, Gainwell, Milton Williams, Josh Sweat, and Brandon Graham, who do you think is actually back in 2025? This is somebody who's trying to steal answers for a flu world order. Yeah, this is an interesting question here. I think Becton and Bonn would be the priorities.

And Milt, Becht and Milt would be the priorities here. Now, Sweat. I disagree about Bechtum. Okay, because of, yeah, so we'll get to this. Now, what's interesting is if you look at some of the early, free agent lists. And again, I'm loyal to

Shield Capadia. When Shield's list comes out, that's the list I use, and I also really like Greg Rosenthal's list. I made a list last year. Okay, okay, yeah. Eagle specific.

Yeah, no, you made an Eagle specific. No, you made an Eagle specific list. Okay. So, but on some of these early lists, I've seen, Josh Sweets, a top 10 free agent. Like, Josh Sweets. Really?

Yeah. Josh Swet's in, position to get paid and the Eagles weren't ready to do that last year I don't think the Eagles are going to do that this year so so I think Bonn with the way he's played with the fit here I can see them trying to keep Bonn. Bechton you made a good point that that Bechton might be more willing to take a team friendly deal this is a situation that he's thrived in you don't know what it will be like elsewhere with him Milton's a homegrown player at a position they prioritize I

person would think Milton's going to make more money elsewhere than he would make here, they can prove me wrong with that. Yeah, I think that's, we've been talking about it for two years. Yeah. That they need to extend Milton Williams. Who knows what those conversations have actually been like, what his agent is asking for. But I really, that's the one where I think if they let him go, they're going to really regret it. I think they'll look internally and they'll say they've developed more,

they'll, they've developed Ojima, they've developed Thomas Booker, and they're going to go with their, internal guys and they'll Jordan Davis can't get on the field outside of the first down thanks for watching on fast on TV and check out the rest of this episode on all phtly.com although I'm going to be honest with you

there's not a ton left just so you know Brandon Graham is is a player who if he wants if if the Eagles want him like Brandon Graham is not going to be playing for the Detroit Lions next year sure of course my Bechtin thing is I mean if he's willing to take a team

friendly deal great but first of all, you have Steen, who has two more years on his rookie deal, and they're going to extend Kim Juergens here soon. Sure. Right? So you can't pay everybody at the top of the market on the offensive line. You can't pay all five guys. Yeah.

Unless they think. And like Beckton is a proof of concept that like you can probably turn some failed first round tackle into a starting caliber guard here in Stadley University. But there is a world in which Jeff Soutland says he's my future right tackle. In which case you. Yeah. I guess that's possible. I doubt that.

I don't think that that's how they view him, but. I don't know that, but he is, if you go with Jeff Stoutland's, you know. Planet Theory, right? Yeah, and the unique traits. And he's, he is unique. He is, he's absolutely unique. And then how about Bonn? How do you think that one will go down?

Yeah, so Bonn's going to get paid. I mean, Bonds are earned a big deal. I've written about Bond. Jory Epstein from Yahoo had a good piece on Bonn last week. I think that the, big variable here is the money the Eagles are paying their corners next year. As I've said, if they don't bring Slay back next season, they're going to have their entire starting cornerback group is basically is going to be on rookie deals.

In that game, we'll see what happens with Isaiah Rogers. In that case, then money that you've typically allocated to corner, maybe you put more of that in the linebacker. But I think they're going to try to keep on. I do think though bonds can get paid. I think so, too. I don't know. I think he's going to get a crazy amount. Yeah, I think Gainwell is only going to be back if there's not a market for him elsewhere.

Over Nick Serrani's dead body. Well, you missed the press conference. Last thing from Shea, who says ZB, have you read codependent no more? It's nonfiction. I have not read codependent no more, but if you recommend it, the offseason is coming up soon. I do a lot of reading in the off season. So I look forward to checking that out. I appreciate it.

She's a smart guy. So if Shea recommends it, I'm listening. Guy knows Bean. Okay. Next. I don't think anyone has taken the advice of someone less than you have taken yes and. Yes, man. Yeah, true.

So what's ahead for the Eagles? Tomorrow we will speak to the coordinators. We'll speak to Vic Fangio. We will speak to Kellan Moore. We will speak to Michael Clay. we will be in studio with Fran looking forward to that hearing excited to hear what Fran has to say new year's Eve tomorrow night the Big Penn State game no show on Wednesday this week no show on Wednesday this week but we'll be down at an

at NovaCare maybe there'll be a video update with the latest thing because I imagine Nick might have an update then as far as as far as what they're going to do they're here Thursday here Friday and then we should also say if if you haven't been on social since yesterday's game. The Eagles Giants game, if you're wondering, that is locked in

at 1 o'clock on Sunday. When do you think the Eagles playoff game would be Saturday or Sunday? Well, let's think about this. Monday has to be a 4-5 game, so that's not going to be the Eagles. And I would guess that

the league will make that the NFC 4-5 game because Vikings' Lions is more attractive and they're playing Sunday night, so you give those teams the benefit of a night. extra day. So you're thinking, you know, Rams, Eagles. I could see that game being the Saturday

night game, which I would not prefer. But I think Eagles Packers is probably the marquee game, right? So do they put the marquee game Saturday night or do they put the marquee game Sunday night? Might be Sunday night game. Yeah. So I would think that if you're, I would think Sunday, because if you're counting on that the four or five game playing playing that that that the you're playing the following Sunday right so you're probably doing you're probably thinking about it like that I don't know I think the Eagles would prefer Sunday right well of course you would yeah you want extra day yeah I think they might I think I think they might the league might view that as the the game as the game Sunday night or do they make

it the like this the late the late afternoon window It's a great question. I mean, because there's, I don't think the AFC games are as appealing. Right. You know, maybe there's a Ravens, but no, I think. Ravens Bengals, if that's how it turns out. Yeah, but I think Packers Eagles would be more of a draw. It's good question.

There's also a Sunday night game too, right? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, Sunday night. Oh, I think meant Saturday. I think the marquee they might make Sunday night. Gotcha. Okay, yeah. All right, that'd be good.

I would be, I mean, I would rather it not be a day. game but true I got well I'll tell you this Sunday one o'clock I finished two stories last night I put the kids to bed it was you know I put the kids to bed I was able to write life is so much better with a Sunday one o'clock game at home it changes everything so we don't get a lot of these Sunday one o'clock games is Zach I don't know if you've looked at the schedule for next season it is not going to be a lot of Sunday one o'clock games seriously eagles are playing a lot of really good teams next year it's going to be a lot of prime time yeah yes So the only game that's up for debate next year is the road game against the NNC South.

Yes. So that would be either Tampa or Atlanta. Tampa or Atlanta. They play in Buffalo next year. They play away at the IFC East. But the one thing to keep in mind is... You get to go to SOFI again? Yeah, although for any of these games, the Eagles could be in Europe next year, right?

I mean, if there's eight international games next year, right? Then I don't know how many are Jacksonville, but if... if in theory half of the league plays overseas, right? So there's two games in Germany, I believe, next year. And we'll see. We'll see. Maybe that Buffalo game or that Atlanta game or that Tampa game would be overseas. There you go.

All right. Let's get out of here. We will talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. Thanks to everybody for watching and listening. Make sure that you hit the like button and subscribe and all that good stuff. That's it. Julia, thanks for making it happen. Sickos, thanks for being here.

Happy almost new year. We'll talk to you tomorrow. And as always, we love you.