PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - No bad ideas: Crazy Eagles offseason plans, from trading Jalen Hurts (WHAT?!) to much more

Episode Date: February 11, 2026

THIS IS A ROLE-PLAYING EXERCISE in which Howie Roseman opens things up to his front office for ideas on how to get crazy this offseason as the Eagles look to get back to the Super Bowl. Is a Jalen Hurts trade a path to restocking the cupboard? Are there best-case scenarios for an A.J. Brown trade? Who else on the roster could be worth trading away or who around the league could be a target? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

All right, guys, thanks for coming in today. Good to have you here in my office. By the way, I'm calling at the Xfinity Studio, just so you know. It's a deal I worked out. I also had Bet365 and Ashley cater this meeting for us. As you know, we do this every year. This is just a chance for everybody to throw whatever crazy ideas you have. Let's discuss them.

We don't need to worry about involving Vic and Nick and these things. These are just theoreticals. I want to just use this opportunity. to talk through some potential big things that we could do. Howie, I feel like you're being a little bit, you're kind of putting the cart before the horse here. First, you should have told the audience, you are Howie Roseman.

And B, I know you don't need to tell you who I am. I know that you probably won't call up this, but like I feel like most people would call this meeting the deal zone. You're fired. Get out of my office. Sorry, Howie. Now it's on you to go pick up the Wawa that I ordered.

So please pick up. that up. Okay, happy to. Let's get to the start of this meeting, and I'm going to kick it to you, my friend. So obviously, we're, let's just talk through. We've got to talk about the quarterback. We're just throwing stuff out here. Obviously, this year did not go the way that we would have wanted, and the offense was a big

reason for that. That's why this is such a big deal presented by our friends at Wawa. I think that we should at least broach the subject. And we know that it's hard because of the you know right now Jayland's cap number next year for 2026. It's about 32 million. You know, we gave him that big extension a couple years ago after the first Super Bowl. If he were traded before June 1st, that number more than doubles to about 66 million in dead money. It's a bit. It's a large sum of money. That said, shout out Jimmy Kemski. There's, when you look at our, you're fired too. You look at it to the last few years. We have incurred large dead cap hits in the past. For the last four seasons, about 25 to 31% of our cap was consumed by dead money. In 2021, that was the year when we traded Carson.

We dealt with the COVID fallout. The cap was shorter. That number was 35%. So it was a large sum of the cap going towards dead money. Right now, the cap for next year is about $304 million around about. 35% of that is 106 million. dead cap that we can potentially hit. That's our, that's our ceiling. That's, that's our limit. Right now, we've got 45 million in dead cap right now. Like that's before any other

moves are made. So we know, all right, that gives us about 60 million to work with at most. There's more that's coming from some of these voided contracts. If we don't bring Dallas back, if we don't bring Dallas Godder back, uh, that number is good. He's got it. That'll be 20 million dollars in dead money if we do not extend him. Thank God we pay Bryce Johnson so much money. This is great. A lot to go a lot to go through. Oh, okay. Sorry. By the way. I apologize. I'm fired. I'm totally fired. Yeah.

An AJ Brown trade that would go, that would make his number go from 20 million to 43.5 in Deadmice. We're talking about an increase of 20 million there, over 20 million. We know that if we make a trade here, it's either we wait until June 1st and we don't have an option in terms of replacement from out of house and would have to be Tanner key. We'd have to, we'd have to hand the ball over to Tanner. If we wanted to make a deal before June 1st and we try and find someone in the open market, there are some names that we can go through and kind of talk through.

But if we think that 35% of the cap and dead money is the limit, what if we went this way, if you trade Jalen, which by the way, like it's not a big market right now for quarterbacks, you look around the league, there's not a lot of guys available. There's more seats than there are players. So I think we could get a really good return from a draft pick standpoint. What do you think? Multiple firsts.

Multiple firsts. I think we talk with Cleveland. We talk with a couple of these teams. I think we were talking multiple firsts. I think then maybe that gives us to a point where we can keep AJ Brown. The difference in right now, as I mentioned, if we trade AJ, his dead money goes up to 40.

The dead money for Jaland, there's only like a $13 million difference in how much we did, what the increase would look like there. So if we're keeping AJ. Post June 1st. Yeah, post June 1st. If we're keeping AJ, if we can come to terms with Dallas

and extend Dallas, having to pay him that extra 20 million. I think we can get to the point, well, all right, we can start to build this around. And 2026 will be a little bit tight with the cap. But then what that does is that gives us a ton of freedom for 2027, 2028, 29, $188 million in cap space in that three-year span.

It also gives us a huge cash influx, 154.5 million in those three years. So we can redeploy that money elsewhere on the roster. If we think that we live in a world where, hey, like Jalen is, you know, I was listening to the PHLY Eagle Show last week, and E.J. Smith made a really good point that, you know, all these all these quarterbacks were kind of seeing that he doesn't need to be that elite guy.

If we think that Jalen is outside of that, that elite group at the very top, and if we can get similar-ish kind of play from a number that is not that number that we're talking about with Jalen, I think it's at least something we could talk about. Well, listen, you know I love Jalen. I have no, I have no urgency to move on from Jalen. we won a Super Bowl with Jalen

but when you bring up the Carson Wents thing it is important for everybody in this room to remember in case you forgot the reason we won the Super Bowl is in large part because of that Carson Wens trade we took on the dead cap money we got the draft picks that allowed us to then draft Jalen Carter even though he had

had a good season you know like all of those things that's how we got A.J. Brown we got that pick equity we don't have A.J. Brown and J.L. Carter if not for the Carson Wendst trade so if you guys think that we can get enough for Jail Hurts to make it worthwhile to extend our window of Super Bowl contention beyond, you know, it's something that we can at least think about. Now here's, I want to push back on a couple of things here.

First and foremost, you mentioned Cleveland as a potential destination. I need to remind you guys, Jalen Hertz has a no trade clause. Are we confident that Jailen Hertz waiving his no trade clause to go to Cleveland? And then I, if we're not confident, I can throw a team out that I think Jalen Hertz may waive his no trade clause for. Okay. Let's hear what you got. And I'm not saying that I'm fully in on this for the record.

I got some other questions, but I think you're probably talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know, Jalen Hurts and Mike Tomlin have a good relationship. Is that something you feel good about? I got some bad news for you. Oh, no. What? Mike Tomlin's not the head coach in Pittsburgh anymore. I've lost to a really bad story.

I'm so fired. You've been working so hard on these deals. I know. I picked your head up to see what's going on the NFL. Sorry. All right. Still, let's say the Steelers. A team that could be in the playoffs.

There are, there are, if I'm going to even consider this. That was a bad idea. If there are, if I'm going to even consider this, there are, there are two ways to go here, right? One is, as you say, maybe do a post-June first. We hand the keys over to Tanner. I think we all love Tanner in this room. It could be interesting to see what he does for a year. The other is there, is there any way that we can use Jalen to get someone who we know.

My next question is better. And so, you know, I know that. Joe Burrow is not super happy in Cincinnati. Is there any path to a Jared Goff, Matthew Stafford, we're giving picks to send Jalen to Cincinnati for Joe Burrow? This is the scenario that this is the only scenario that I could even get slightly on board with. I know we have fans of Tanner McKee in this building, but I don't want to risk losing this championship opportunity,

this championship window with the uncertainty at quarterback. I pulled the Jared Gough, Matthews, Stafford trade compensation because is this a template for a Joe Barrow deal? The the ram sent Jared Goff to future first and the same year third for Stafford. So if you're going Jalen and two firsts and maybe a day two pick in this year's draft, is that too rich? How do you feel about that? And that's before we even talk about if the finances even work for this.

Yeah, well, that's what I pay Bryce for. Right. He'll figure that out. Yeah. I don't know. I would be interested. I just, I don't know that we can get the financials.

I think we're making a move that we're talking about. And again, we're talking about this is a hypothetical. I think that the, the purse strings are a little tight in order to try and get that. And I think that it's probably more likely that it would be a situation

where we're going with a quarterback on a rookie contract. And that's where obviously Tanner is. And I think to me it would probably make sense to do similar to what Green Bay did with Jordan Love, where he'd take it, You know, he take it where they trade Aaron Rogers. They extend Jordan Love by one season.

They give, hey, we're going to give you a two-year runway. We let Tanner play out the season. And then if it doesn't go well, then we have more ammunition with draft picks that we're getting back to potentially make a move in next year's quarterback class. It's supposed to be a pretty rich quarterback group next year in the draft. And if it does go well, then great, then we've got our guy with Tanner and we move forward there. I'm out. Just presenting it out of what? Yeah.

I think it was a compelling argument. I wouldn't want to take that that big of a leap out into the cold of not having a franchise quarterback with a roster that's talented. All right. Well, that Wawa was delicious. Let's put it away. Otherwise, I'm going to just keep eating. And I can't be doing that with the combine coming up.

I got to go to Padatoo. Let me throw another one out there for you. What do you think we could get back from Houston if we propose a swap with C.J. Stroud? You think we could get their they have an extra second. We get 38 overall and a conditional future second that could turn into a first. They've got this great defense. Everybody saw C.J. Stroud let them down on the big stage.

Is that a thing that we think they could use a proven winner like Jalen and we can rehab C.J. Stroud and get some pick equity to make it worth our while? If you're taking that much dead cap money, is the second enough in that trade? I'm just throwing it out there to the group I'm not sure that trade that trade appeals to me I agree that C.J. Stroud

maybe gives you at least a pathway toward feeling good about your quarterback situation but I honestly do think he's probably closer nah I guess I wouldn't go so far as I think he's probably closer to Tanner McKee than Jalen in terms of like confidence rating

in a big game I mean actually at this point yeah you probably would the way that he played in the playoffs So I'm out on that one too. The other team that we would have to make this trade with would need a little over 11 million in cap room to take on Jalen. It looks like, but I have to go a little bit of deeper dive into Houston's numbers to see if they can handle it. It looks like they are currently not able to take that on.

So that would require some finagling on their end. We'll get a price to help them to. Yeah. Yeah. Some finagling on their end. But I would imagine we're probably on the on the positive end of draft compensation. Of compensation, yeah. Would you be interested in that?

um as my closest consuliary yeah you could you could uh like my was a fire uh yeah sitting next to him um we could talk about that yeah i'd be interested in that okay what are you what are you what are you against here i the same thing i said honestly i would sooner do that deal with houston and probably run with tanner instead interesting i think i might go that far especially because of the salary cap stuff i think i'd rather i'd rather have the year with tanner than trade for C.J. Stroud and hope that you can take on that reclamation problem? Can I run down some more options?

Yeah. Quarterback wise for you. Yeah. As I just, you know, I look around and I got these depth charts up there and just just kind of interesting. What do think we could get if we go to Carolina, we do Bryce Young number 19 overall and a 2027 conditional first? They've got to decide on his fifth year option. We get him now.

Give him one year. I don't know. I just don't know that there's that big of a difference between Tanner and Bryce Young. from a like yeah like price young is probably better but how much better would I rather just take the extra pick conversation now I think any trade that we're making in this situation like has to come with a 2027 first like we want as many picks for 2027 as possible knowing full well like this year is the is the the the the recalibration year this is our this is our 2016 or this is our 2016 this is our 2021 season we want full steam ahead.

So here's my question as we just look at our roster. Does it make sense to do something like this where we are really decreasing our Super Bowl odds this season to load up for 2027 if we are in concert bringing back A.J. Brown, bringing back Dallas Goddard, you know, postponing the, you know, eventually we're going to have to pay the guys on defense. does that make sense?

And not knowing if we're going to have Vic in 2027. Presumably not. Yeah. It's a fair point. Do you think, I mean, it's interesting because maybe a tough needle to thread. Maybe you frame it like you're going to take, so take your medicine, you're going to take a lot of dead cat money next season and plan on having a young defense. Now, again, you have a big question of coordinator, potentially there.

But maybe you try to close this window a year early to open another window in the short, aftermath after that. Now, do you think our old buddy? Shane Snykin would be interested in Jalen? They don't have any firsts this year. You can do something like 47 and then two future first. I don't feel a first in 27, 28, but they've already given up so many picks.

I don't think they're in position to be able to give up more capital. Okay. What about Arizona? Do you think we could get number three overall from Arizona? I don't know. I just, I don't know that I won three overall. Yeah, that doesn't really answer.

Let me, let me pivot then to our top draft guy. You don't love three overall this year? I mean, what if we then move down? I don't know the three overall in 2026 is equal. Like it is not the three overall that we come to. We could get that Maui Goa guy. All of a sudden, all of a sudden we've got Lane's replacement. Yeah.

Not worth it. I just don't know that 20, like, look, the number three pick is the number three pick. It's a, you know, it's a great resource to have. But the 223, or the number three pick in 2026 is not equal to the number three pick in other years. The caliber of talent is not the same than what we come to expect. Okay. So I feel like we net out here. This is going to be pretty difficult to do.

Yeah. We're all, we all love Jalen. We're happy to have Jalen. But unless something presents itself that's really overwhelming in terms of value, we probably continue with Jalen for another year. What do you think? I think so. You know, just presenting it as an option,

knowing that this is a meeting that we have at the end of every season in Howie Roseman's office. Nothing leaves this room, guys. Yeah, I mean. You hear the guys. And by the way, I'm going to be checking all your phones. There's going to be a leak test. Yes, there is.

Nothing leaves this room. This is a safe space. We are all, this is just throwing stuff out. Yeah, I mean, you hear those guys on the P.H. Y.O.I. Eagle Show. They're always like, oh, you don't think these conversations are happening in the building. So, I mean, we got to, we got to have these conversations. It's a good. E.J. Smith impression.

I mean, yeah, nobody doesn't want better. Well, then let me ask you guys this before we, you know, break for a bio break. If we're not going to trade Jalen. Let's think about Tanner because we've only got one year left on his rookie deal. You know, there are some teams who could be interested. I feel like maybe the Jets, maybe the Dolphins. Do you think we could get two-thirds? How about a third this year and then a third next year that could escalate to a second or a first, depending on his performance?

I honestly think that there will be a pretty good market for Tanner this year. Just because, again, I think that there's not a lot of bodies for the amount of jobs that are theoretically open. I think that there are a handful of teams that will be looking to improve their situation a quarterback. I know that what we saw at the end of the regular season wasn't great, but he was surrounded by backups in that situation. If you're dropping him into a scenario and ecosystem where he is surrounded by starting quality talent, I think we can expect to see more from him. You know, we were all in the building here when we traded AJ Feely for a second round pick. Maybe there's something that we could get, especially years for now. It doesn't need to be a second round pick this year.

It can be a two in 2027. A conditional one at that. I mean, if you can get conditions on that, I mean, with how much belief we have in the building about what Tanner could look like as a starter, yeah, I'd sign me up for a conditional future pick. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think we all know, as we've talked about, we need picks, right?

We need an infusion of talent on offense to turn this roster over. So whatever rocks we can pick up to potentially get something for, if you guys think we can get good enough value for Tanner, I think I have to consider it. I mean, there are big questions about this quarterback class. It's tough to feel good about if you are the Jets, the Browns, the Rams, you go down the list of a lot of these teams that are potentially looking at a young quarterback. I think that we can exert value from one of these teams.

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A couple other things I wanted to get to just at the position, because I'm looking at guys who could be available, and you know I love a deal. Should we have any interest in the guy who we went after a couple of years ago? Deshawn Watson as a backup quarterback? Well, Howie, you did say on the record a few combines ago that anyone with violence against women was off the board. So I don't remember saying that

You can't hold me to that I mean I think they will I'm charged I think that especially with where we imagine this coaching staff is going to be going From a philosophical standpoint Undercenter play that was what they tried to do With him in Cleveland with Stavansky

And it just did not work It did not mesh so I don't think it would be a good fit On the field either Well I'm glad you brought up the coaching staff Because there's two other names I want to throw by you Okay I mean I think Malik Willis is probably going to get a good amount of money, but does he factor into our thinking here at all?

I think unless if we made, if we dealt Tanner, the thing is that I think that I think Malik Willis is going to get paid for with the position to be able to start to compete for a starting job. So I mean, this is a, if we get a windfall for Jalen and then is there enough cap room for us to sign Malik Willis, probably not? That would be tight. Okay. Unless he gets like that James Bradbury special where it's like one million in the first year and

then it's all backloaded. Right. And then the other one, Sean Mannion's buddy, Kirk Cousins. Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, funny, funny quarterback room. Kirk Cousins and Jalen Hertz. All right. Let me open it back up to the floor. You look like you've got something to say over there. You're itching to not get fired again.

Yeah, I mean, well, listen, maybe I will get fired after this segment. We'll see. I think it's time to have the A.J. Brown discussion. Okay. I mean, we need to figure out what the market is. obviously AJ was very frustrated last season. I am not confident that there is a way back, especially with the conversation we just had.

So if we do need, if we were trying to avoid getting the version of AJ we got last year, I think we need to discuss what the price would be for a trade here. So I have my best case, like, you know, let's start it this way. Because I know you like to call around the league. You always want to make sure people, you know, we want to make sure that you, sure the first to know if a player is available.

Can we talk about Justin Jefferson? Oh, interesting. As AJ is a part of the deal, we're going to have to throw significant capital in, but is that something that we could stomach, you know, trading, that way we still have our two tent pole receivers.

We're taking on an extra 20-something in dead money, right? We're taking on extra 20 million and that's post-June 1. By trading AJ. Okay. And we're going to have to, now for us, trading for Jefferson's contract is not quite so bad.

Yeah, it'll be palate. But we're also going to have to give up pick equity, presumably. I mean, I think it's at least the first. AJ and a one? You don't think that's enough? I don't think we can do it. To me, if we're going to move on from AJ,

it would be nice to upgrade, but to me it's more about refilling our draft coffee. Don't you want to set things right after the Jalen Rager pick? This is your chance, Howie. You are absolutely fired. Now you do not dare speak that name in my presence. Get out of here. That's fair.

That's fair. Well, like I said, that was my, you know, pipe dream proposal for you. Okay. This is probably a more realistic best case scenario. I know the Patriots are probably going to be interested. I know the bills are probably going to be interested. I don't want a late first for AJ. Let's get Baltimore on the phone.

Let's figure out what it takes to get 14 overall from Baltimore. If it's AJ and a four, AJ and a three to move up to get that pick to not to move up but not to move up yeah sorry you get that pick so we still maintain 20 maintain 29 yeah do you think Baltimore says yeah I mean listen I know I know Eric pretty well yeah it doesn't strike me as the kind of thing that he would be into but it's potentially worth exploring and I think I think we all agree that as much as we love AJ the reason to consider taking on that dead money and trading him now

is I think his value is going to depreciate. Sure. And I think if we, especially with another season like the one he had last year. You want to try to win the Super Bowl, of course. But my job is to try to win the Super Bowl every year, not just this year. And if we keep AJ,

we're probably keeping him for a while because if it's another season like this, he's another year older. I don't think we're going to get much more than a third. You should write that down for the press conference. If we do this, that was good. That was a good way to sell it. When you talk to Eric to talk through this a little bit,

just remind him. So, you know, you had some success when you went for a vet receiver in Anquan Bolden. You guys had a, you found some success when you went with a vet receiver in Derek Mason, getting him from Tennessee. He's been there for a long time. Yeah. And they go for those guys a little bit long in the tooth. They've had some success there.

How do you feel about us trading AJ? I think that there's no way around it. I think that that's something we probably have to just get. I don't even think that that's a, to me it's more how do we not trade them than do we even approach this topic of the attempt to trade them. We're going to save a lot of money in future years too. It's, yeah, I mean, shout out Jimmy Kemsky. It's about 40 million.

Yeah, one guy to get fired. A nice conversation with Jimmy Kempski on my way in today. You're fired again. We found the money. I want to see how many times I can get fired. I mean, we will save about 40 million on the cap annually after this season. If we trade AJ, it's $29 million in cash savings as well in future years. Our defense is about to get really expensive.

I think there's enough benefit on the other side of this monstrous cap it will have to take that I still think that there's a way for this to make sense for us. I think Baltimore is a stretch. I think that's, if you can pull that off, Howie, the fans are going to be saying, Howie's season, and, you know, you're going to be posting that gift of you, you know, the compilation. It's going to be a good day for you. But more realistically, number 26 from the bills for AJ straight up,

I think that is a I think that is a realistic trade it's probably the around the lowest I guess Patriots at 31 that range if we can't do if we can't get either those picks now I'm starting to say it has to be a future first

or at some point we just don't play ball anymore I mean because he is still a valuable player to us I mean when we traded it traded for him in 2022 it was for 18 and 101 and that was you know three years ago four years ago now so to go from 18 and 101 down to the 31st pick or the 26th pick, I don't think, to me, that's the ceiling. I can't, I'd love to be able to try and get a deal done with Baltimore. But if you're saying

straight up for the bills won, I think that's, that's probably the best we're going to get. Yeah. So hands up right now, if we can, if we can get 26, we all take that. Yeah. I'm taking that. I think you should take that. Yeah. Okay. I think so. Now, let me just ask this, just since we're throwing it out there. Could we get more for Devante? And is there, is there, is there, is, Is there a path to patching things up with AJ by saying he's going to be the focal point of the offense? Could we get more for Devante? It's like half the dead money. Does that put us in better position?

Now, as you're one of the guys in this room that spends a lot of time around the players, I think if you trade Devante, you're just going to upset AJ even more. I don't think that that's a, I don't think that's a, I don't think there's a way forward by trading Devante to appease AJ and his frustrations here. So I know you're a little detached. I'm just throwing stuff out there. I just, I'm just want to talk it through. I don't think that that's, I don't think that's helping the situation. I think there's only one way that's going to, that we can kind of guarantee that AJ will be okay for 2026.

And it's something we talked about earlier. So I, to me, I think that, uh, we're probably moving forward. All right. Um, I got a lot to think about. Let's take another little, uh, bio break here. And what is the bio break? Come back and we'll, we'll talk about the offensive line. And I have, I have an interesting idea.

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And I want to just throw up by it, guys, because we've all been thinking about, you know, how this, this, we've got to turn this roster from defense to offense. And we've got all these superstars on defense. How are we going to pay them all? And I keep thinking about defensive tackle. And, you know, we've got, we've got. JD who took this leap for us this year. You know, could we consider trading him?

It would actually save us cat money now. Could we get a one for him after the year he had? Morrow's coming up, final year of his rookie deal. I don't think we're going to be able to sign him, given everything we have. But I do just think about, listen, Jalen Carter is one of my best draft picks ever. You know, I'm so happy I was able to move up and get him. And the ramifications of the Carson Wendstray. led to that and helped bring us a Super Bowl.

But is there a case for us to be made that Jalen Carter is never going to have more value than he does right now? He's 25 years old. We've loaded so many snaps on him the past two years. Is there a chance that he's not going to ascend but maybe sort of flatten out? And instead of paying him 40 plus million dollars next year, you know, could we get two firsts for Jalen Carter right now, then pay Jordan Davis and Morrow Ojimo and add another defensive tackle in the draft?

Like, is that a sustaining thing for the roster that we should consider? I want players who are difference makers like Jalen Carter. That's the whole purpose of this thing. But is there any case here? What do you guys think? I think there's a case. I think it's important to qualify it with. We have seen what Jalen Carter can do.

in playoff games. We've seen the way that he can take over games. But I mean, I think if you look at his production, you could make an argument or you could make a projection here that he isn't necessarily on a trajectory to be the Aaron Donald game record that we expected. You know, his sack production has gone down each year,

you know, since his rookie season. So, you know, sack production isn't everything, as we know. Pressures aren't everything either. But I do think that if it gives you the possibility of maybe, keeping other players around Jalen Carter, there's a case. There's at least a case.

I'm not saying you're crazy. I'm not firing you like you fired me several times during the show. I mean, Quinn Williams got a two and a one, and he's three years older. I think two first is realistic. I do. And I tell you what, I know there,

I know in my heart that there's one guy who I can call and be interested in Jalen Carter. And that's Andy Reed. Hmm. And they've got number nine overall. Can I get number nine overall? all and a future first for Jalen Carter. They get to pair him with Chris Jones.

They'll take on everything that comes with him. That makes me a little bit tingly. It's a risky trade though. Let me ask you this question. If we were to, because the window is now open this offseason for us to be able to get an extension done with Jalen. Where do we think we are in terms of what that number will look like? Based off coming off the year, now we know we're dealing with Drew Rosenhouse. So we know that we're not, we're not going to.

get super team friendly here. Chris Jones is at 31.8 APY. That's the top of the market by pretty wide margin. The next highest is honestly is Milton. And Milton was at, Milton was at 26 million. They signed that $100 million deal for the Patriots last off season when he left here.

So that's a $5 million gap between number one and number two. Do we think that when we pay Jalen, that he is going to be north of Chris Jones? Do we think that he is going to be closer to Milton Williams? is going to be less than that based off. Caps rise. Drew told me 35 is where we start the conversation. Yeah, I think he resets the defensive tackle market.

And I think honestly, from our standpoint, from our standpoint here, I think that him resetting the defense tackle market, but not the non-quarterback market is a win for us this offseason. I mean, it'll be close to the non-quarterback market. What's Mikea at? Micah is at 46. Right, yeah. Miles is at 40.

But that's, so you have three guys. You have Miles Garrett, Michael Parsons, Aidan Hutchinson are all north of 40. And then that's it. That's the group. You have Jamar Chase, just north of 40. Yeah. Everybody else is in that.

I mean, if Jalen Carter had had double-digit sacks, maybe not quite at the top of the edge market. That's a big number, a double-digit sacks. I mean, he's, what is he, 24 years old? Yeah. But you know what I mean? Double-digit sacks was not anywhere near where he was at. But if he had a season in line with the production

we thought he was going to have, I do think he would have been maybe not resetting that market, but close to the top of that market. If I had three wheels, I'd be a tricycle. I mean, but this is more realistic than that. The conversations we had about Jalen Carter before this season, we talked about him being at the top of the non-quarterback market. I don't know. Do you think we, would you do it for two firsts?

I'm kind of interested. I think does that open up the, knowing like, you know, the other contracts we've got coming down. Does that open up enough for us to try and extend Jalen Phillips? You keep Jailin Phillips, potential. You got Ojimo, Jordan Davis. It's another good defensive line group this year. I'll promise you a defensive attack on the first three rounds. Right.

That's a good class this year at that position. I'm listening. I don't think I'm all the way there, but I'm listening. Now, would you flip side consider trading JD for a first? I just don't know that we're going to get that value. I'd be surprised if you found someone. that was willing to do that. Maybe Chicago.

Chicago at 30. Chicago at 30 looking for defensive tackles. Yeah, you got to pay him. You got to pay them. Yeah. Okay. It's not crazy. It feels like our best chance to get a windfall

outside of the quarterback. I don't know. You guys think it over. Okay. Anything else that you want to... I got one. And I see a super chat from GoBirds XTL. What the hell is that?

How do you forget? What do you mean? How do I forget? We have to do the super chat at some point. How are we going to help? I don't even know what it is your talking about. Well, I'm already fired. I had to get into a YouTube career because I got fired.

So I've been streaming the whole meeting. Oh, you mean this email we just got from Jeffrey? Yeah. Oh, this email that we got from Jeffrey says he wants me to answer why I chose Eli Ricks over Josh Job. We've already talked about this, Howie. I mean, Jeffrey, I can't go over this again. I needed a pipeline to the White House. It worked.

Read the other email from Bobby King. Another inbox here from Jeffrey. Well, this is an interesting one we can consider. And I think we were going to talk about this. This is something I want to pound the table for. Yeah. Not the first part An interesting decision to make a linebacker

You know we drafted jihad I still think it could be Michael Parsons on the edge But well right now it seems like he's gonna be playing linebacker If we want to resign to Kobe Is there any case for trading Zach Bond I don't I don't think Zach Bond being traded is as part of a part of the equation for me But I do think

Look what we just watch with Milton Williams Look at the production that he had I know that that guy in the PHOI Eagle show Doesn't doesn't think as highly as Milton as you guys do, but think about the departure that that was for us as an organization. Homegrown player, talented, productive player, and we couldn't even make him an offer when he went to free agency. I have regrets about that.

I think that is a organizational philosophy that works. Nekobo Aden is a homegrown player. We saw what he did for this defense. When he came back, I know that we have Jahad Campbell waiting in the wings. I understand that the succession plan has already. in place, I wouldn't feel good letting Nkobi leave. I just don't, I don't see how we can justify keeping him. I don't, I love Nikobe.

I think it's a great story. I love the fact that he bounced back the way that he did. I think we made that bed when we drafted Jihad Campbell, who we wanted to trade up for numerous times. We were on the phone with multiple franchises, sometimes in the middle of the first round to go up and make that move. We obviously thought I had one done. Yeah, I, but imagine how different are the, the conversation we just had about

Jalen Carter would be if Milton Williams is still in this building. Things move fast in the NFL. Maybe there isn't a clean clean outlook for how it's going to look next season, but I think we figure it out to keep a homegrown player that, again, is playing at a really high level.

I just think there's a difference at the position as well. I mean, an interior disruptor along a defensive line, a guy that can impact the game the way that Milton can didn't have the injury history. It's because we're not out of the... There's nothing to say that we're not out of the woods there with Nicopi as well. But what do you think his market would be? I mean, you know, I know, like,

I think there is, is there a chance his market doesn't materialize to the point where we can bring him back? I mean, listen, I hope my kids grow up to be like Nikobe. One of my favorite guys that ever drafted. I love the guy. But given where we are, it's going to be, unless, unless his market completely craters, and I'm happy to stay in contact with his agent.

It feels like it's going to be difficult for me. I mean, Frankie Louvre signed in Washington at 12 million. Drey Green Law signed. Drake Green Law is not bad because he was coming off an injury. Injury history. Signed for 11-7. He's older, though, right? Yeah.

So that's probably- Nick Bolton signed for 15 when he stayed with Kansas City. He's outside of year signed for 11-3. 13. Ernest Jones signed for 11. We just saw what he did in the Super Bowl and what he did for that defense. Patrick Queen, not the same player,

signed for 13-3. seven in Pittsburgh a couple years ago. So I think that's the aisle we're shopping in. I just think that's too rich. Not when we have to pay, read. And we have both DBs coming up. And we have in Quignan and Cooper,

the rest of these guys, I think that's too big of a pill to swallow. And just to say it on ZB, we're taking on real dead money. Yeah, I don't think. And he's 30 years old. We're not going to get a ton for it. Yeah, and he's playing at such a high level.

I don't think that one. And we're not going to get enough to make it. worthwhile. And you're not trading jihad. That's actually not that's an interesting idea. Trading jihad?

What do you think we could get for jihad? I don't think you're getting a one back which is why you're not going to do it. Yeah. No. Can you because I'm pounding the table for Nukobi here.

I picked my interest. Can you? I mean, you just said you think that jihad can be the next Michael Parsons. Maybe his best position is not at linebacker, but maybe our best defense is Zach. Bon and Nacobo be as the off-ball linebackers and Jihad Campbell accelerating his learning process

at that position. I don't know. I mean, I said that, but I didn't see that this year. And he looked pretty small when he was on the edge. What do you think? I mean, an off-season in the strength program, you never know. I just don't think there's quite enough juice there. And as far as trying to trade Jihad, I mean, he fell to us because of the worries about his

injury and his durability. I don't think that we would The vibes will not be good The other team that's answering the phone Is gonna have major question about why we're willing to move off of him so quickly Well yeah that's one I can't make the call I gotta just hope that someone asks me about him Maybe you can get let me look through

I see I just got a text from a you know An informant watching the show Says maybe maybe you can get a player for jihad Is there a first rounder that didn't that didn't pan out last season Maybe you're a failed first for I mean failed first is strong but you know what I mean? I got a text from another Zeepee. It's impossible for me to fire you this many times.

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I just think that he is such a tempo setter for us. I'm not itching to get rid of him. Yeah, I'm not interested. What are you still doing here? You know, I was just on the job line, and it was bleak out there, you know, late in the hiring cycle. So I've got a couple more ideas. Oh, my God. This better be good.

Hear me out. I think I can earn my job back with this next one. Go ahead. I think we need to go into this offseason planning to replace three interior offensive linemen. Okay. I don't know what we're going to get out of Cam Juergens next season. I think we need to.

You had talked about, I heard you talking the other day talking about maybe waving Cam Juergens to save money. You're wrong about that. I was wrong about that. Okay. Yeah. I'm lucky I didn't fire you then. Oh, to a bad start.

I don't think we're going to wait. I don't think we're going to trade him. I think he will have to be a part of our equation because of the salary cap stuff. Okay. But are we confident that we're going to get 17 quality games at a cam journey? I think we need to have a high level backup in place behind him. I think what we need to do. Willie Lampkin is here.

We need short thanks. You just got to raise. Landon Dickerson, there is some uncertainty about not only is he going to come back, but even if he does come back, what kind of player he's going to be. Yeah, I'm not in LD. I think I think I'm going to get him to be able to play one more year. Yeah, I would I would suspect so. And then at right guard, Tyler's team was maybe an NFL level starter, but is he an eagle starter at right guard? Yeah, I'm personally fine with Tyler for one year, but I don't want to pay Tyler after this.

Right. So to me, maybe not week one, but by week 14, there's a chance that we need three players who could step into each of those spots. So you're bringing me problems, not solutions. Well, you're the GM, but I can help you. I can help you with some of these solutions. You think I don't know what I have work to do on the offensive line? I think that's why we're having this meeting. I think McCoy Beckton's going to be a cap casualty.

I think he would make sense as a high-level backup. I'm not bringing him in to start right away. I think a high-level backup. Is he going to be as effective without stop being here? It's a great question. It's a great question. But I think at the very least, that level of investment is what we need. So I think McCy-Ber,

for one of the guard spots, and I think you have to attack it early in the draft. But to me, I think that it's less about what the moves are. It's not just we have work to do on the offensive line. It is, you may need three new starters by the midway point of next season. You need to go into the offseason thinking that way. Save my job. I definitely just saved my job. You just brought, you came in here and told me things I already know. I thought you're going to have ideas. No, I think I came in stronger than what you already knew. How did you even hired in the first place. That job by me.

I guess so. Look myself in the mirror. Yeah, I'm hired as 2015. I think we know we three interior guys, we also have a right tackle we got to replace. I think Lane's going to come back for another year. But I can't bank on him.

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's the whole reason we need all these picks. I got to rebuild this offensive line. And I lost the guy who I know can do it. Well, whose fault is that? He's not here. all right um any other ideas any anything else we want to throw out there in terms of uh guys on our roster who could be worth exploring trading and then i'm going to throw some names around

the league at you is it worth talking say one but it's we're not going to get enough for him it's 20 million in dead money it doesn't really make sense this is minor okay we're talking incremental here is it worth talking to vick about making cooper de jina safety full-time. I think it's a conversation we need to have. And I think us in this room need to think about we're not going to have Vic forever. That is like the Schwartz. Like get a year early on preparing for Jim Schwartz.

Right. Yeah. Because I don't know that I want to pay market value for Reed. Market value for Reed is probably, you know, we're talking. No, I think it'll be north of 10. Okay. I think it'll be north of 10 a year. It would be my guess.

I mean, Quentin Lake just went for 12.8, so I don't think you're quite there just because he does a little bit more. It was a pretty friendly, honestly. What can I get a competent nickel for? Common and nickel. I mean, Nate Hobbs went for $12 million last year on the free agent market, leaving Raiders and going to the Packers. Marcus Jones signed for 117. Michael Carter, who was on our roster. He signed for 10-3 a couple years ago.

Terran Johnson's at 103, Jordan Lewis at 10. And so we're talking in that range for the for like a solid competent nickel. You know, and that's not counting the, you know, we get into like Trent McDuffie's going to get paid this spring. That'll that'll be informative for for for Cooper. Yeah, that's a good. That's a good conference because Trent has that outside versatility. And that's why to me, I think the number raises on Cooper if he is still listed as a corner with nickel flex as opposed to a safety with nickel flex. Yeah.

Well, just to say it. I mean, they just got two first for Sauce Gardner. Should we think about that for Q? No. I think you can make the argument. But to me, we are about keeping good players. And I think Quinyan represents a lot of what we want to be defensively. I think Quinyon is probably what, top five most untradable on the roster right now?

Uh, maybe. It depends. Everybody's got a price. Yeah, but I feel like his is astronomical. Like for the as sauce gardener going for two twos like or two ones I wouldn't trade quinine on for two ones. It depends on the one. Especially after the contract.

He got two ones after getting the richest cornerback contract in the league. You handwaved my Jihad Campbell player for player trade. He is the GM. You're going to trade quinion for two ones? I'm just the whole point of this meeting is to talk through this. You know, this is a funny thing I've learned about these meetings. Like my idea is it's like, how dare you? Why would you say that?

I didn't bring me any names. You're just, you're just telling you things I already know. The caliber of the idea presented. All right. Let's toss out a couple names from around the league. Tell me what you guys think about our relative interest level here.

One that, you know, everybody's always linking us to, and I know we're the Eagles. They're always going to link us to him. Max Crosby, to me, not exactly what we need. And I don't think we're,

the price. I would agree with that. I think if we were if if Vic had moved on and Jim Schwartz was our defense coordinator, I think I'd be a little bit more in on that, but in this system, maybe not as much. Okay. Now how about if we trade AJ and we want to we want to add a different difference making wide receiver? I know you had the Justin Jefferson idea, which I had to fire you for. Jalen Waddle? So he moved the news? for you yes yeah I would be I would be in on trying to trade for general model what do you think what you think I think a jail on what else I like what is it gonna net out for us like I mean a two for Jill and wattle and we get a one for

AJ is that are we are we coming on ahead there I mean he's still young he's been digged up here and there I think you would compliment Devante very well we know that we've seen them work together in the past he's got a history with our quarterback yeah I think I think it would be pretty equal to what we're giving up for AJ. Because AJ's been a more productive, more productive player, but obviously is older. More expensive. Well, maybe not.

Well, I guess it's comparable. Yeah, he's a, and so Waddle's a 28. In theory, we're taking on, $28.3 million a year. We're taking on the dead cap and we're not really coming out ahead pickwise, right? No. I don't think we'd be coming out. Like, it wouldn't be noticeably ahead. Right.

Waddle's only a year younger than AJ. That surprised me, too. So what about Garrett Wilson? I feel like him and Devonthe are stylistically very similar. Yeah, I don't know if you're really getting like the the basketball team if that's what you're at. I hate that basketball team. I like it. Give me a good player.

Okay. Yeah. I. That doesn't. For what we would, what would be required to go and get Garrett Wilson? I think I'm okay. Okay. Now, you know, I love my former first round picks.

That's what's throwing out here. What about Marvin Harrison Jr.? Local guy? Bring him home. Yeah. Pedigree? Yeah. I'd have the conversation and see what they'd be willing to do.

But Monty is still the GM who took him. If it was a complete regime changed, and I think we'd probably be able to get a little bit more of a better deal there. My guess is they're not trying to move him at any cost. Brian Thomas. That one, I think you might, there might be. And I think we could, I don't think we could get him for, yeah, like a, like hour or two.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. And so let's say we do, let's say we get, let's say we get 31 from New England. So now all of a sudden we've got 24 and 31, but we give up our two and we've traded AJ for Brian Thomas. Do we feel like that's a good transaction for us? I like that. Yeah. Yeah.

I think his skill set would mesh really well with Jalen in terms of just being like outside the numbers. He doesn't like working off the middle of the field. Obviously, we are going to try to do more of that. but I think Devante can kind of take on a little bit more of that mantle. The tight end position will take on a little bit more of that. Yeah, you can give me all over. To prioritize tight end in the draft as well

because you've got your two top receivers there. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Okay. That's something worth making a call about. Yeah. I had a crazy idea the other night, you know,

as I couldn't fall asleep. And it's probably a prohibitive contract for them to trade. But do you think we could throw a ton at the bucks and get Tristan Wharf, Worf's solve our Elaine Johnson problem that way? Yeah, they're not really going to be in the market for that, right? No, I don't think so. I'm just trying to think about guys we could get.

So it makes you the one of the best teams? So you know Jason really well, you know, you worked with them for a handful of years. My guy? Yeah. My guess is he's probably not looking to trade Tristan Wharf's. Okay. You guys got any other ideas? What do I pay you for?

You don't pay me anymore. That's right. All right. What's your what's your what's your favorite thing that we've talked about so far today? Um, I would say the The one that to me can are we still in a yeah, I guess we're still in for still in character here Are we still doing our job? Jalen Carter I think is an interesting one to say it's a it's a it's an interesting conversation to have Knowing that there are a lot of young defensive players on our roster

that we're not going to be able to keep everybody. Is it worthwhile knowing that the young guys that we have behind him and that we can go and get somebody else and continue to develop at that position? I think that's an interesting conversation. I think that I think AJ, I think that's a foregone conclusion. I think moving the quarterback is probably a non-starter. To me, the Jaylon Carter conversation is an interesting one.

The thing that makes me really interested in thinking it through even more is that I am worried because you know I love to rotate my defensive lineman. And Vic and I have disagreed about this a little bit. And he likes to just put everything on those guys. And Jalen Carter has had those shoulder injuries this year. Is that beginning, is that the beginning of his body breaking down to some degree, given the huge workload he's had for the past two years?

You know, is it possible that this is truly the apex of his value? Should we cash in now? Is he never going to reach that? superstar level that I was convinced he was going to a year ago. No, I think it's an interesting one. I'll probably go with what I think is probably the most realistic one, which is AJ for a late first. And Brian Thomas, Brian Thomas Jr. coming the other way.

I think that that is the beginning of an overhaul for the offense that is needed. So I'll go with the one that I know you said it was a foregone conclusion. It's not the most like bold of moves, but I do think it might be a necessary move that gets the offense on the right track. The Brian Thomas edition, I think that's one to definitely explore. If we had had this meeting a month ago, would anybody have tossed around the idea of trading the head coach? Yes.

Let's find out in Howie time. What do you think we would have got? If we knew then what we know now, which is that we were going to have trouble hiring an offensive coordinator, we were going to lose stout, would we have thought about it? I think so I think it's worth having the conversation I mean you're getting at least a two probably multiple twos Yeah, it's kind of pain and got a first and a second a future second that's probably what's your I mean maybe not was what you're

What two ones those are the two trades right who you think would have been in about check got traded to but that was a while ago obviously. Yeah Who do you think would have been interested? Titans Hmm Yeah, that would be I know he knows He knows Borgonzi Groomsman in his wedding

I remember Yes Arizona Raiders You think Tom Brady's a fan of A fan of Nick I don't know I could see that going either way

Actually Yeah I could see him being a Raiders coach All right Well I think this was a productive meeting Not me. Yeah. The organization.

Again, you cut me off. You didn't let me finish. You're fired again. I think we talked through some things. I think some good things for the close circle here to think about. Should I leave? I mean, yes. Thanks for your contributions, whatever they were.

If you want, I can try to pull an Andy and get you a soft landing. somewhere. That would be nice. Yeah, I'd appreciate that. I'll make a call and call up one of my bros, get you a spot somewhere, but it ain't going to be here. You ain't got to go home, but you got to get the heck up out of here.

All right, thanks to everybody for being part of this meeting. We'll be back at 2 o'clock tomorrow. I put the meeting on your guys' calendar. We're going to talk about everybody who is on the market for us this offseason, free agents, potential trade opportunities, and try to put them in order of how likely we think they are to come back.

But for now, thanks for making it happen. See you guys tomorrow. And as always, we love you and you're fired.