PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles 2025 Shadow Draft: No Jihaad Campbell in the alternate universe draft class

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

When Howie Roseman and the Eagles were on the clock over the course of NFL Draft weekend, so were we. Jihaad Campbell, Andrew Mukuba, Ty Robinson and a slew of other day-three picks seem like a fine haul for the defending Super Bowl champions, but how might another class look given the same options? Would Josh Simmons or Luther Burden have made more sense in round one? Instead of making Mukuba the third safety off the board at No. 62, what else could the Eagles’ have done? Bo Wulf and Fran Duffy take you through the annual exercise of what a different Eagles draft class might look like. You tell us which one you prefer. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast presented by True Mark Financial Credit Union on a Friday afternoon. Bo Wolf. Fran Duffy in studio prepared for a lovely annual exercise. Our shadow draft. Fran, it's good to see how you doing. Great to see you. I'm excited. I was hoping that I would be part of this one. It's always a fun one to talk through, not necessarily even just for mine, but just to be able to pepper you with questions on your own exercise. It's a fun exercise to bounce around. And, you know, for all of the analysis that we give, about the draft and all the work that you do putting into the draft, you know, what would you do if you were on the clock? And so usually the concede for the shadow draft is that when the eagles are on the clock, I am also on the clock. I make my pick in real time. I was able to do that for

the first three rounds or so. And then, you know, because we had a live show. Yep. On the last day, and there are some guard rails to keep in mind, but was able to go through it and do what I think I would have done in real time. But before we get to that, I want to talk about just sort of like the consensus big board, right? Okay. Okay. And like the way that the Eagles have drafted relative to the consensus big board because I think that things have probably changed since the Jalen Rager pick.

Okay. In 2020. And you look at that situation where at 21 they take Jalen Rager over Justin Jefferson, obviously. And Jalen Rager was, I believe, 41st on Arifasan's consensus big board there. And so if you're doing like percentage away from consensus you are based on the pick that you are, like that's almost 100%. difference, right? And then since then they have not approached that at all. I have the 15 picks that

they have made in the first three rounds since that year, Fran. And I think it is, it is worth noting that in the first round, they are, they are, seem to be focused on trying to game the consensus board a little bit. Five of the six picks they've made in the first round have been guys who were consensus higher than they were. The only one that was after was Jordan Davis, who was 15th and they were picking 13th. It has not really, really, been the case in rounds two and three necessarily and so 15 picks overall it goes eight picks in which they were positive seven picks in which they were negative and only a couple of those are sort of standing out but as I think of the the Andrew McCuba pick which I think you

know I listen to the superlative show you guys did I think it is the it is the pick that this draft class sort of hinges on a little bit and it's it's the one that is maybe the most questionable because I like to think of it as like would they make this pick in any year. Right. If it's not just need-based. And I don't think that Makuba at 64 is a pick that they would make any year.

Right. But, you know, he wasn't that far off. He was 72 in the consensus big board. Interesting. At 64. Which is what I was a little bit surprised by it. Yeah, I think it is surprising. Do you have a guess as to what pick

in the first three rounds over the past five years is the one in which they strayed from consensus the most? In the last how many years? Last five years. In the first three rounds? In the first three rounds, last five years. years. I am going to, for the sake of not terrible podcasting,

no, light on me. Based on when the pick was, it's Kim Juergens. So Juergens was 51st overall and he was 95th on the consensus, big board. And then also last year, J-Lex Hunt, they'd take it 94. He was 140 on the area for Sond big board. But that is, I bring this up just because it does feel like it's the first round where they've really focused on this. And in rounds two and three,

it's not necessarily something that they have hung their hat on. Now, there have been ones like Nicobi Dean where you get the 24th guy at 83. But these positions where it looks like they're looking for a specific type, it seems like they are willing to sort of trust their evaluators or their coaches a little bit more. We talked about this on the draft show leading in when it comes to like draft tendencies and trying to narrow down like the themes with. decision makers and with teams. To me, when I hear you say that, it almost sounds like round one might be noisy, where it's like it's such a small sample.

I think that's true. If rounds two and three are necessarily following this rubric and you're seeing them go away from the consensus, now I'm kind of thinking, all right, well, if I look at the four, five picks they've made in the first round, in the last five, four drafts or whatever it is, you know, Jalen Carter was Jalen Carter was Jailen Kopp, but we knew what the scenario was there. you know, Devante Smith falling to them was it was, you know, somewhat unexpected, I guess. So I'm all, I'm on. Well, it's also, it is also just that it's more like those, those consensus rankings are more

trustworthy, the higher you are. Sure. Yeah, it's a good point. And the board. Right. Right. Because like, you know, you're probably not going to have that much difference in who the top 20 guys are. Right.

Whereas there's going to be a much bigger difference in who the top 75 guys are. Right. And I think that goes to the, like, I think if you ask the Eagles, they would probably say that they think league-wide consensus on Makuba was probably closer to where they took him than where it might have been seen from the outside. Where was Jahad Campbell on consensus? So Jihad Campbell was 14 overall. Okay.

So even if they had traded up to the charges at 22, it still would have been plus. It still would have been plus. Now, obviously the consensus doesn't have the medical and all these things, but all of that. Okay. So you have not done this year's shadow draft yet. And so we're going to do yours live and I'll tell you who I take. But when you usually do it, how do you approach it? Yeah, I think I usually just do it, you know,

kind of what you were saying earlier, where it's, all right, who's on the, who's on, you're trying to do it when they're on the clock. Yeah. Right.

So you don't have that foresight of understanding, oh, this guy's going to be available in the second round, you know, that kind of a thing. But yeah, you try and do it on,

when the team is on the clock. And it's not always like, all right, who's the number one guy on the vertical board? Well, that's what I'm asking. So,

yeah. Now you, like, for, for you, for some of these picks, I'll show you who you have, who would have been the best available on your big board and you have your tiers.

Yeah. I imagine you don't want to drop down a tier. No, that's what I was going to say. It wouldn't be necessarily who's the top at the vertical board, but on the horizontal board, the best player at, we'll say a position of perceived need or, you know, where there's position scarcity, somewhere on that horizontal board. You know, you don't want to go down a tier.

If there's, especially if we're, you know, we're saying that there's 17 players across positions across the top line, you're not going to dip into outside of the top 20 to go to an area of position of need. And if you were the Eagles heading into this draft, if you were in charge of the Eagles draft, what would you have perceived as? Like, would you push your safety up the board?

Or do you think that the roster wasn't good enough shape that you can sort of just let best player available come to early on? It would have been a best player available kind of situation for me. Like, I had the safeties, you know, obviously extremely high on the vertical board. Right. But I, you know, to me, if I'm sitting there and Walter Nolan is there versus Malachi Stark, even though I've got a higher grade on Starks, I'm probably taking Nolan just because of the impact I feel like he can have on a game.

Now, that's obviously not going to be on the table for the Eagles, but that's thinking of two prospects there where maybe the position value would come into play. Now, maybe we'll get to this when we get to the actual picks, but now that you have had a chance to digest everything the Eagles did over the course of draft weekend, how do you feel about how they handled things? Yeah, you know, I went and I did the, it was like, you know, in the days afterwards, just went and wrote up every team in the All-City Network. and just when I looked at at the Eagles like pick by pick the only one, you know, like day two was day two, right? Like that was the one where it's like, all right, this kind of got away from them a little bit.

The board didn't fall the way that they were like, you know. Yeah, but like day three, as I'm going through like pick by pick, I'm like, yeah, like this pick makes sense. You know, if I'm looking at all these day three picks, all of them were like, yeah, like this makes sense. And Jahad Campbell, like there's a lot of reasons to be excited. Obviously there's cost, you know, for concern there with the medical. But outside of that, like there's a lot of reasons to be excited

about the Jehahad Campbell pick. So yeah, I think when I looked at it, you know, a couple days later. So yeah, this was for what this class was universally around the NFL, because honestly, like, looking around other classes, it's not like, oh, man, like I really like what, you know, these 20 other teams did more than what the Eagles did. You know, I think it was just kind of one of those classes. And at the end of the day, the Eagles are picking at the end of the round. It's tough to feel great about it.

It's an important thing to keep in mind. Yeah. Because, I mean, they enter this, this card game of 32 teams with the worst. hand. Yeah. There might have been some other teams who were picked efficient, but generally speaking, they're picking at the end of every round, and so you're going to have worse cards.

And I do think on day three, it was a very like, like, okay, let's take a deep breath. Yeah. It was like a mature, okay, it maybe hasn't gone exactly how he wanted on the first three days, the first two days, first three rounds. This is how we can help make up for that. But I do think that, you know, last year, we said it in real time. Yeah. Like, this is the best that Howie Rosenen has ever.

played the board. And some of that is luck. Some of that like you didn't expect that Cooper Dijun, who he almost took at 22 was going to be available to trade up. But because you were able to sit and take Quinnion and Mitchell, that meant that you had the ammo to go move up and get him. That worked out very well. They trade down for Jalick's Hunt, who they might have been considering taking with that third round pick anyway. It all worked out very well. This year, you try to trade up for Jihad Campbell. And then he just last in 31. Right. I think you didn't, right? So that's a little bit lucky. And then Makuba, who, you know, they are a little bit higher on than consensus. And then also in the third round, trading down when, you know,

they probably were going to take Charles Grant. Right. And then you lose him for a five spot move down is not the best reading of the league consensus necessarily, but they, they bounce back into some degree. Yeah. At the end of the day, it's you are making, you're doing that calculus. I'm sure we'll talk through it as we get into the third round, but you're doing that calculus with the idea of like, all right, we can have Charles Grant or we can have, you know, obviously they acquired two picks. What was it? It was Ty Robinson with one of the trade down picks. A future pick, I think. There was a future pick. And then another, there was another pick in there as well that they didn't have from this class. So it's essentially three players for Charles Grant. Like, you're probably,

if you're just going to, if you want to not be like emotional about the player, Charles Grant, who's a, you know, late third round pick, you're probably doing that deal. But yeah, it's, it's what makes this fun. Okay. So one thing we are not going to do in going through this exercise is like, oh, well, I would have just traded up for whoever. It's impossible for us to know what those costs were if that was even available. So we are just going on when the Eagles actually made their pitch. Yep. So at 31 overall, when the Eagles take Jehad Campbell,

let's look at who is the best available players on the Fran Duffy draft board. And so you've got Luther Burden, the Missouri wide receiver, standing out as your number eight overall player, the last player from Tier 3. Okay. Then you go to Tier 4. You've got Nickyman Worry, Will Johnson, Chivon Revell, Josh Simmons, and Ariante Ursary.

And then the next player, who's the top of Tier 5 for you, is Jihad Campbell. And so take me through what your thought process would be here. Yeah. And obviously, look, at this point, you know, the Will Johnson Medical looms large. There's a reason why he fell just, you know, 20 picks later than this spot. Revel fell even further. So, you know, I think that all that comes into play. To me, I think I'm looking at this as Iminwari or Josh Simmons.

Just to, I don't think. You won't, you won't just stick to tier three and take Luther Burtain. No, I think only because of the fact that I've got A.J. Brown and Devante Smith. Okay. You know, I think that for me, you know, while yes, it would make sense that, you know, Luther burden, I just think with the needs I do have. I do, I think I want to get somebody that could come in and step in and make an impact here. And for me, I think I think I'm going to end up going with Nick Emunwari.

I think I'm going to take him in war. Really? Yeah, I think so. Interesting. Yeah, I felt that passionate about the, and. Look, he's, you love the player. I love the player. To me, this is a guy that would step in and make an immediate impact.

Now, we talked before the draft as well that I love the player in a vacuum, but when I look at him in Mnwari in Vic Fangio's defense, I don't know that I know. Like, you're almost taking away his stinger a little bit because one of the best things about Nick Mnoyari is his ability to line up and do all these different things around the formation. And in the Eagles defense, he would not be asked to necessarily do that. So yeah, like, you know, maybe I don't love that part of it. I'm talking to myself out. I'm surprised you don't go burden.

No, and I love. He's a tier above. I know, but I just, to me, especially if, if Burton were really clean, like, oh, yeah, like he's like slam dunk, then honestly, he's probably, he's probably not on the board at this point anyway. Yeah, I think I'll take him in war. Okay. 31 overall, Rand Duffy's Eagles.

Yeah. Taking Nickymanwary. Okay. For me, this was, this was Josh Simmons. Okay. No, you know, I'm not doing the exact same thing as you. I'm pulling from your big board. I'm doing a few other little moving around stuff.

And I got my buckets. And I'm doing, you know, I have one A, one B. And then it's, you know, two, three, four, five, five, six for the rounds. And there are five guys available here. And we just talked about all of them, basically. But for me, Simmons, given the long-term need a tackle and the ability to say, okay, we're getting a guy who we think is a top 15 caliber player at 31 because of the injury stuff. you know, I don't have the medical stuff in front of me,

but I would have gone, I would have gone Josh Simmons there. So that's, that's my pick. Okay, I like it. Yeah, I think that when you're looking,

and look, he went to the pick immediately afterwards. My guess is the Kansas City is not doing that deal with you. Well, yeah, up to 31. Probably so. Yeah,

for Simmons. Um, yeah, and Simmons was definitely on my short list. So, yeah, I have no disagreements with that pick. Okay.

Second round, 64 overall. Okay. The options available for you, based on. on your big board. Now, Chavon Rebell is the guy who stands out as a tier above. He's there as a tier four player.

Then you've got a few players in tier five. Jonas Sanker, the safety from Virginia, but you've already taken a safety. I'm not taking a safety. Xavier Watts. Landon Jackson, the edge from Arkansas, Kevin Winston Jr., another safety. Emery Jones, the LSU offensive lineman.

And just to show it there, Andrew McCuba would have been 82 on your board here. He's a tier 7 player for you. So what are you thinking here? You've already got Eam and Worry. Will you double down on the secondary? Chavon Revell is that good of a player? Or do you instead probably go Landon Jackson or Emery Jones?

Looking at my differences between Landon Jackson and Chavon Revelle because it's going to be one of these two players. Their grades were very, very similar. I gave, I do have Revel the tier above as as highlighted here on the graphic. You're 15. But do I want to give another pick to the secondary here? Christian Parker's got a big old smile on his face. He's nudging you.

You know, one of the best ways to help a pass rush is to have outstanding covers in the back end. Let's go, Chavon Revel. You think you have to. Yeah, have to. To me, I looked at him. I thought he has the ability to be a plus, plus starter at the cornerback position. I mean, you put him with Cooper Dijian and with Quinnian Mitchell. I love that.

Yeah. And even worry and. Yeah. Blank and chip. Man. See, that's a fun secondary. That's pretty good. Yeah.

Okay. You feel good about that. Yeah, I'm going to do it. Okay. For me, this pick was Lina Jackson. Yeah. I mean, you got me on to him. I love Landa Jackson.

And I like him a lot. Doing a little bit of digging around, seems like he was not seen as a good scheme fit for the Eagles a little bit. But I'm not so sure. You know, I feel like he could get the job done. Great testing. Yep. Fine enough production.

Great character. All that stuff. At 64, I would have felt, I would have felt very good about Landon Jackson there. So I'm going, Josh Simmons,

Landon Jackson, a very old school Eagles line of scrimmage. You know, let's build this thing in the trenches. We were barking up the right tree here because both of us, Simmons was on my short list.

It came down to me, Revel versus Lanna Jackson in this spot. I just, I've got Revel with a slightly higher grade and he was in a bigger tier. So I had to go. I had to stay true to it. to Chavon Revel there.

Now, if we were going just based on the consensus big board, just going on the consensus big board, it would have gone Will Johnson at 31. Right. And then my rule for this is because there is an information deficit, if there's a guy who goes like two rounds later, then I say, okay, I didn't know enough here. Yes.

So Shador Sanders would have been the second round pick, but I'm going to excuse that. And then that pick would have been Chavon Revelle. Right. Okay. Interesting. Okay. Another, although that's a double down on corners.

Maybe you don't do that. Yeah. That's okay. All right. Find out what our picks would have been later in the draft right after this. Oh, baby. That's right. I'm going to tell you about our friends at True Mark Financial.

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All right. Now, I do think it is important to talk about 96 here, even though they trade out. I was wondering if we were going to do this. Because when you are thinking about the Maccuba pick, this is the thing where, man, Xavier Watts goes 96.

Like you could have just taken Xavier Watts at 96. Maybe the Eagles didn't view him that way. Maybe Vic Fangio doesn't like the guy. There's no way to know. I mean, he was standing out as the top guy on the consensus board. There's no guarantee you're going to get a guy there. But the way that it worked out, it's hard not to think, oh, man, if we had taken Harold Fanon or Landon Jackson or whoever at 64 and then still been able

to get Xavier Watts in the third round, you might think a little bit better about the class overall. Yeah, you wonder, you know, where was Watts, you know, on that pecking order? Right. You know, it's possible that they just didn't view him as that level of player. Or maybe they just said, like, hey, like, we think this run's going to happen soon. We want to get out ahead of it. Let's get our guy now.

We don't want to risk missing out on the position altogether. And again, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to make them a Cuba pick. Right. Like a bad pick. Sure. I think given where they were, the guys who you might have wanted to take who were position agnostic, like just top 50 guys on your board were probably all gone. And so then you say, okay, absent that, let's get our top safety.

And I think that's fine process. But it's not, you know, let's not throw a party. And it's not, they would have taken him if they hadn't had to trade C.J. Garner Johnson. And so that's why I think I feel a little bit differently about it. Yeah. And look, they, you're clearly convicted, you know, about that player. You stick your neck out and say like, this is the guy that we are choosing to be the next safety off the board when there's when there's that big glut there. I can appreciate when a team has conviction on a player like that. So I'm excited to see if it pans out.

Yeah. Okay. So let's go all the way down to 111 now. Okay. Which is the Ty Robinson pick for the Eagles. And the players who stand out on your big board, Fran, you got Chodor Sanders sticking out as the number 49 overall player. We're into tier five now. Three other players from that tier five.

Denzel Burke, the Ohio State Corner, Marcus Boe, the Purdue offensive lineman. Cameron Williams, the Texas tackle, who obviously goes to the Eagles later in the draft. And then tier six, Billy Bowman from Oklahoma, you've already got a safety. Tori Horton, the Colorado statewide receiver. Braden Swinson, the edge from LSU and Cam Jackson, the big fellow defensive tackle, nose tackle from Florida. Is this good enough for you, or are you thinking you might want to explore a different position given that fact that you've already attacked the second year?

Yeah, I'm looking around to see. You tried to add like the top guys at different positions. Sure, sure. I wouldn't be taking Cam Jackson only because he's like a direct like he's a straight nose tackle Jordan Davis style. So he would not have been someone that I would have been targeting at this point.

Hmm. No good tight ends in this range for you. Nope. If you want an offensive weapon, Tori Horton stands out as your guy. Agreing. Marcus Bow, if you want an interior. Cam Williams if you want to tackle. Yep.

Or just let's keep building up this secondary trust your board, take Denzel Burke. Or your boy, Billy Bowman. Yeah. I don't know that Braden Swinson would have been their kind of guy. Just because he's a very skilled rusher. Yeah. But just run defense-wise, like just left you a lot, left a lot to be desired there.

Hmm. Ashton Jalati on the board, he is at this point, right? He's not. He went by this point. He went before then. Oh, yeah, he went date. He went to, he went to, yes, yes, yes. He went late day two.

I'm looking at my board here. Man, it's driving calls. People are trying to trade in, but you haven't added anybody on offense. I mean, you haven't headed anybody beyond the secondary. I might just stay Ty Robinson here. Really?

I think. Yeah, I'm looking at the position, because I do want to add somebody to the defensive front. I haven't added anybody to the defensive front. Right. And so you'd push him up over, over Swinson on the edge. Yeah.

And you don't want to nose tackle Cam Jackson. No. And he would be next. I'm looking at this group here in terms of like, you know, someone that has the ability to impact the quarterback. I think it might be. Yeah.

You don't want an offensive player. Not yet. Yeah, I think I'm going to wait. If it's not going to be a tight end, yeah, I think I'm going to... Ty Robinson for you. I think I'm going to go Ty Robinson. Okay.

Interesting. Not expected, by the way. I did not expect to do that coming in. That is interesting. for me this one was where I you know I felt hurt by the Xavier Watts one because I didn't take a safety early

if I'd gotten him at 96 they wouldn't look a lot better and so now I'm looking at the guys who all of my all my second round grades are gone at this point except for Shador and so for me it is between Billy Bowman

Ely Eulich Eulmanor the Stanford wide receiver who I liked quite a bit and then Joshua Farmer the defensive tackle go with the long arms from Florida State. Yep. And even though it's a bit of an outlier size-wise, I'm going Billy Bowman. Interesting.

But I like Billy Bowman. I know that Atlanta, they're talking about playing him as a nickel corner. Interesting. Yeah, that's how they're, it sounds like they're. Is that how you view him? I thought he had nickel flex, but I didn't think, I thought he'd be more of like a split safety that had the ability to drop down if you needed them to, but it sounds like They're like,

planning him for nickel. I was like he's going to compete in the nickel. Foot quickness is not necessarily like the, yeah, that's not where he stands out to me. It's more, yeah. He's pretty quick.

I just, you know, like I don't know if I want him matched up like on slot receivers all the time. Like every down, but. Interesting. It plays out. All right.

So for me, Josh Simmons, Landon, Jackson, Billy Bowman is how I start the draft. Yeah. You've got Nickyman Worry, Chivon Revell,

Ty Robinson. Consensus would be Will Johnson, Chivon Revell, Marcus Bo. Okay. Okay. Let's go to fifth round. 145 overall. This is where it gets a little bit interesting. Yeah, this is good fun. It's already been interesting. What a fascinating exercise.

It's gripping so far. I mean, for the true sickos. 145 overall, your top options here, friend, based on the big board. Denzel Burke still standing out there. Marcus Bow is still there. Cameron Williams is still there. You look around elsewhere. Jackson Slater, the Sacramento State Interior Offensive lineman. Tori Horton is still around. Jonah Monheim. the Zach Berman favorite from just waving Jackson Hawes there for me Jackson Hawes is there for you Braden Swinson's still available and then

Chris Paul Jr. is the last player in your top 100 who is available. You have not drafted an offensive player yet? No, not yet. Thinking about it. Yeah, I think give me Torrey Horton here. Tori Horton. Yeah, I think we're going to take

Tori Horton, outside wide receiver who's got some length to him, he's got some juice, missed a lot of this season with an injury. I think that at this point in the draft, this is a guy that I think has starting upside in the NFL. If he had stayed healthy throughout this season, I think we're talking about him as a second or third round pick

to get him in the fifth. I feel really good about that. Okay. My first offensive player. There you go. For me, this one, I had drafted Josh Simmons already. I'm sticking contenses here. I'm going Marcus Bo.

What have you heard after the fact as to why Marcus Boe, who seemed like a. second third round player ended up going this late? I think a lot of people had questions about the position about, like exactly where his best position is. I don't know if he's got the body type for tackle. I don't know if he's got the ability to play center like from a mental standpoint.

Yeah. Be that guy in the middle of the offensive line and he's not strong enough to play guard. Okay. And there's scheme versatility questions. There was inconsistency questions. He had an injury earlier in his career. So I think there was just enough there that would cause him to drop. The other player we haven't talked about who I just didn't even put on here

is Tommy Hill. What happened to Tommy Hill? The Nebraska Corner. Yeah, there were things that caused him to fall out of the draft. Did he get an invite somewhere? Yeah, he ended up signing with Minnesota late in the undrafted free agent process.

Got it. So, yeah. Okay. So well, that's what there's things. That's some of my sources. That's the information deficit. Yeah, it was one of those things where my following up with some people

I was like, yeah, like that would have been helpful for me to know some of these things. They were late developing. This is, I mean, Julia, I feel like you need to hit this line. Something that could have been brought to my attention yesterday. Sam G with a monster super chat jumping in

says just wanted to shout out the PHLY team for an awesome experience at the Fran film session on Thursday. You guys have elevated Philly sports coverage to another level. Sam, thank you. That's very generous. I appreciate that.

How did it go the other night? It was awesome. It was a lot of fun. Appreciate everybody that did make it out, all the sickos that did make it out, all the diehards. Yeah, it was a lot of fun and maybe we'll do some more in the near future.

I think that's fun. Yeah. Did you come out feeling any differently about anybody? I mean, you've already done these guys, but was there something that you saw? You know what? I'm not sure I saw that before.

No, not necessarily. There was, I was thinking about it. All right, was there one play where it was like, ah, that was it. There was an interception that Maccuba had against Georgia. Okay. That was like, oh, that's an awesome play. We were sitting there for a while, like just rewind.

I was like, not quite to that level, but pretty clear. It was a really, really good play. It was an interception against that deep, dig route and then breaking route. And even, you know, some of the diehards were like laughing like, oh, like, you like this play. I was like, yeah, I was rewining a lot. Yeah, that was a good one. And what did he do on the play? So he was a backside.

Like he was lined up to the right. It was a three-man combination to the left with an in-breaker coming from the far side of it. So like deep outside receiver running a deep in-cut. And he immediately like off the play fake got his eyes exactly where he needed to be. And then before he even got to the spot, got his eyes back to the quarterback, had to leap up, make a leaping interception. I mean, just it was a plus. Like no, no, it's outstanding. Right.

Yeah. That's why he gets drafted. There you go. All right. Your next pick in the fifth round, a lot of the same familiar characters on the board here at 161. This is the Cameron Williams pick. This is Denzel Burke is still there.

Jackson Slater is still there. Jonah Monheim is still there. Your boy, Jackson Hawes, Chris Paul Jr. And then, you know, lots of other players, if you want to ask me about specific positions, I can tell you who else goes off the board. No, let's go with Cam Williams here. You know, I think that this was a proper spot to take

that swings certainly. This is not the Eagles, Cam Williams' Vic. That's okay. Yeah, I think I'm good to take Cam Williams here. To me, the way that we talked about it the other night at the diehard event was, you know, and visually, our YouTube viewer, people that are watching right now can see this. But when you look at Miles Hinton, Miles Hinton is like this, right? It's he's got, there's high variance, but like the waves, the waves are not as, as rough. For the, for the audio listeners, you just did the, uh, the roll of the, uh, the roll with the homies motion in the ocean. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Whereas Cam Williams is like this, but the highs are higher. Bigger.

Yes. The highs are higher. The lows are lower. But for me, like when you have someone where the highs are that impressive, I think at this point in the draft, it's a worth of. What did you make of the Eagles unscripted video of like how excited Stalin was for Miles Hinton, but maybe not quite necessarily that for. Maybe he might have still just been coming off.

the high of Miles said. It was a little bounce back there. That's all. Okay. I also made Cameron Williams to pick here. Okay. So this is less exciting. But so I've now,

I've now drafted Josh Simmons and Cameron Williams and Marcus Boe. Interesting. Offensive line heavy, but at this point, knowing you, that's not a surprise. Well, you just want,

you just want a young, but I also love on drafted offensive linemen. That's true. I mean, I still want to bring more guys in. You're going to love Holland Pierce, I feel like. Just because he's a big guy or because he's undrafted.

Undrafted. I'm already smiling. about it. Yeah, right. Okay. Last pick of the fifth round for the Eagles. This is the Drew Kendall selection. And again, you know, we're only seven picks later. So a lot of the same picks are there for you. Although some of them have gone.

Danzel Burke, Jonah Monheim, Jackson Hawes, Chris Paul Jr. Are there any other positions that you feel like exploring? You've gone safety, corner, defensive tackle, wide receiver tackle. Yeah, I'd like to look at some of these edge rushers. Is there anybody, uh, let's see. It goes. Edgewise. At the true Kendall pick.

You're talking about Q Robinson's off the board. I'm about Baron Sirel. Tyler Barron is the next one who goes off the board. I think, you've got Ahmed Hassanine. Elijah Roberts is gone. I think Elijah Roberts is gone. You've got Antoine Powell.

Rylan who goes later, obviously. I'll take a Tyler Barron. Take a Tyler Barron. He's in the right tier. This is the word in the right area of where some of these other players are rated. I had him. Just let's see, he was my, he was my 107th player on the final big board. And for me, when I look at Tyler Barron, this is a guy that has the ability to drop in coverage, athletic, long.

There was a pass rush upside there at Miami, started his career of Tennessee and then ended up transferring down there with the hurricanes this past season. Yeah, I think this is a nice upside swing, a guy that can do a lot of different things for you off the edge and nice backup. up. Yeah, I like Tyler Barron. Okay. All right. Tyler Barron, it is for you. For me, this was a, you know, after Cameron Williams, he had a third run great on my board, which was a two round difference at that point. He was the last player like that. So now it's a little bit more pick your poison. Position wise. And so the fourth round guys, Quinn Ewers, I could take.

There are a couple running backs, Breschard Smith. Isaiah Bond will throw out because he does not get drafted. You know, I like Gavin Bartholomew. and I thought about taking him here, but I did not go with him. Jonah Monheim's still available. Chris Paul Jr. Definitely thought about,

and I hadn't drafted a linebacker yet. No, I haven't either. But I also hadn't drafted anybody in the secondary yet. And so Denzel Burke, the Ohio State Corner is my pick here. Yeah, and I was surprised Burke fell as far as he did in the actual draft. You know, if he falls obviously in this exercise,

I think that they're starting upside there. I honestly would have, if I hadn't taken, revel in the second round. Like I would have probably taken Burke by this point. So no qualms with that pick. I mean, why not just trust it? Why not throw another guy out there?

You got to go. I want to spread the resources around a little bit. You've got to make your position coaches happy. Yes. Okay. All right. Sixth round, four picks. Four picks.

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Must be 21 or older. All right. Four picks in the sixth round. You start at 181 overall, Fran. You're top 100. It's just Cameron Williams and Jonah Monheim left. I just took Williams. So tell me what positions. Yeah. And can you just take Cameron Williams? So tell me what positions you'd be thinking about here, given what you've already drafted.

I actually think I'm going to go Monheim here. Just I think the value, the position makes sense, best player on the board, at an area where I would like to like to address. And he's got great versatility. Monheim played tackle for most of his career at USC. Just did not have the body type to be able to do that in college. But I think they were in the NFL, rather. So move to center for his final season this past year.

So you know he can play in the pivot, but he can also play some guard as well. I will take Joe to Monheim here. Okay. For me, I wanted to add somebody to the offense. Again, we're in a nobody jumping out as a tier above. So I'm sort of picking my poison. But there's not a fourth round running back,

a wide receiver for me, but there is a fourth round running back. Richard Smith, who we talked about from SMU. Now this is a converted wide receiver to running back, but last year compared to the rest of the running backs on that roster, I mean, stood out in terms of the delta between him and his teammates. So I like betting on that. He seems like he's got the physical tools.

You're talking about upside in the sixth round. I go Breschard Smith here. Yeah, 1.6 yards per carry better than his teammates as a rusher over the course of his career. And also, one of the things that the Eagles like, just 253 carries over the course of his college career. So Breschart Smith runs a 439, gives you a little bit of, receiving pop. I like him in the sixth round. This was our 181st pick.

Yes. Correct. Okay. Just making sure. Okay. 1.91. 10 picks later. What positions are you thinking about? Well, there's just been a run at quarterback, right? Yes. Now, is, are we saying that McCord is still available? This is a difficult thing. I say no. Right. You know, you could make an argument that since, you know, you didn't draft McCoror. He might not still be available. I just wanted to kind of play that out.

So, yeah, the people, this is the Miles Hinton pick, but the, you know, the next players who go are Bryce Cable Dude, Todd Brooks, Ahmed Hassanine, Warren Brinson, Branson, Transon, Taylor, that's confusing. Brinson and Branson back to back. Kobe King, Ray Wan Lane, Johnny Cornelius. No, I'm going to go with a guy that I've got, he was in my tier, what is this?

I guess it's Tier 10 or whatever, whatever the tier is. years. Yeah, well, I mean, here you got to split it out. Let's go with Kane Madrano. Can Madrana. A linebacker from UCLA. This is a high character, high end athlete. I think the versatility is absolutely there. I think he could play, certainly he fits is like more of your prototypical will linebacker just because the run and chase ability. I think he can excel as a blitzer. He can play some coverage. This is a guy who came to college as a wide receiver, made the move to linebacker very early in his career. Yeah, I like Kane Madrano. Okay. And That's your first linebacker.

That makes a little bit of sense. Yeah. Sixth round, a good place to take a guy. Yep. For me, this is, and we'll go shout out to cousin Grace here,

because this is, I'm finally getting my guy, Gavin Bartholomew, uh, as, as my try hard. Congrats. Tight end.

Very exciting. Uh, he ends up going a couple picks later, but, uh, I like a Gavin Bartholomew and there's, there's my tight end. There you go.

Well, maybe one of the most shocking revelations is how much you liked Gavin Bartholomew throughout this entire process. He just felt like, like a coach is going to love this guy. Yeah, you usually hate that. Until I watch him. It's the same thing. I'll read Blankenship.

Right. Yeah. I discovered the guy. Yeah, but he got drafted. If Gavin Barthamu didn't get drafted, then I would say, yeah, he's going to be your favorite. Sure. But he played early. He played a lot.

He's not old. He's got a nice level of production. Yeah. He's showing effort. I don't know. I like the guy. Yeah. Okay.

Just surprising. 207 is where I'm taking a quarterback. Okay. Fran. And I thought it was interesting on. and the Eagles unscripted when, you know, they showed the, you know, pound the table meeting. And I believe it was Zach Drappkin from the,

from the analytics group, right, doing it for Kyle McCord. And it was interesting that he, you know, he said basically he fared well in our metrics and pointed specifically to the recruiting ranking coming out of high school and also like his accuracy. So it was interesting to find out that those are actual inputs into whatever

their, you know, their quarterback projection model is. Right. And, yeah, I think there was some noise about that on social media. Was there? Yeah. You know, Quincy Avery, the renowned quarterback, Jaylon Hertz, quarterback trainer. It just made a point, like, I'm surprised that people point to recruiting rankings.

Yeah. You know, in these high-level meetings. And there was a lot of back and forth on that. Oh, I didn't see that. Yeah. I'm glad I know. Yeah, right. I know.

Thankfully, I'm glad you didn't do that as well. But yeah. No, I thought that was a... I don't think I've talked about it on the show, but I don't, like, I don't have Twitter on my phone. anymore. That's great. And it's because I haven't updated it. It's still Twitter. It's not X, but it works out perfectly because because I still get the push. No, you have to talk about this. I thought you. I thought you actually just got rid of it. Oh, yeah. Okay. No, I have the push

notification. So I can see like, oh, the Eagles made a move or something, but I can't get sucked into scrolling Twitter. It's beautiful. It's fantastic. For the perfect outcome. Right. Yeah. And I'm sure just like if, you know, if Elon were to find out about that, he would just be beside himself. Well. it's got other things to worry about. Yeah. Unfortunately, true. So anyway, you talk about recruiting rankings.

Quinn yours is my pick. Yeah, I thought about doing this. Even though, you know, my guy, Camiller's still on the board. I know, I got Quinn yours. Yeah, I thought about getting to this point and taking Quinn yours. And honestly, I probably will do the same thing. Okay. Join me.

We're just looking. Just looking. Hold on. The two picks that we agree on are both the Texas guys, Cameron Williams and Quinn yours. Basically, if I don't, I mean, this is not the way to do the exercise, but if I don't take Quinn yours here, then I don't take a quarterback. Well, you have two more picks. I mean, you have one more pick after this. You could take him a 209, but yeah, but, you know, some cheat.

Yeah, right. No, I think I'm going to pass. Let's see. You're not going to take a player. Yeah. I'm going to pass on yours. I'm going to pass. on yours.

Remind me my picks one more time. So I took Emin Worry. Nick Eamon Warrie, Chavon, Ty Robinson, Tori Horton, Cameron Williams, Tyler Barron, Jonah, Jonah, Johna Monheim, and Kane Madrano. You have basically addressed, you've addressed every level of the

defense, and you have addressed a tackle and an interior offensive line. And you have not drafted a quarterback or a running back or a tight end if you're looking to just check a box. Right. And there's nobody here who's like really standing out as definitely above the rest. That's why I was looking to see if there was somebody that was definitely standing out for me

from a great standpoint. I'm probably not taking another corner here. I just took a linebacker and I felt good about. All right, we're going to go roundabout and I'm just going to take yours. Okay. Yeah, I'll take yours in this spot. Okay, I like that. All right.

Last pick at 209 overall. This is the Antoine Powell Rylind pick. when you was my last guy with a fourth round grade. Yeah. So now I got to just. And this is like when you do this exercise, one of the fun parts is like, you know, I'm not doing the work all year long. And I fall in love with guys. Right.

And so to me, like it's kind of disappointing. If like, oh, I would love to take this guy, but I have this guy graded higher. I got to take my medicine and take and take this guy. It's nice when you get the opportunity to go get your guy. imagine that times like a million when it comes to the guys who are actually doing the work for hand they're like you know itching themselves like oh my guy can I get this guy that I that I love it's like sorry we're instead we're going to take you know Miles Hinton or whoever and like all the constituents who who you have to think about as the as the final decision maker but sure no it's it's like of course you want to take the guys yeah yeah you want the guys do you feel passionate about that's why they do that meeting and you would have yeah you would have pounded the table for uh Gavin Bartholome yeah No, at the end of the, going into day three. I mean, I like that. Actually, should be the, should be the segment.

Who would I? Yeah. Oh, who would? Yeah, we should do that. We should do that next year. Yeah. Go around the, go around the table. Who would have been that for you?

Yeah. Going into day three. Going into day three, you're a part of that meeting. Let's see. I mean, essentially, I guess we did do this when we did our guys. Zach just took a much more serious than we did. Sort of, yeah. I mean, yeah.

In the best way possible. That was amazing. We probably should have clipped that as a separate, as a separate, as a separate bond. It's unbelievable. So good. Who would I have pounded the table for? I asked this question just to give myself more time to be able to go through the rest of the list.

Yeah, of course. Exactly who I want to say. Let's see. I mean, I would have, I guess it would have been my guys. Like, you know, I like Joshua Simon and Gavin Bartholomeo. I'm going to tell you who one of them would have been. And that's going to who was going to actually be my pick. You know, who else do I like?

I like Teddy Buchanan. I liked a lot. Marcus Siegel. I liked a lot. He went early Teddy Buchanan. He went fourth round. Yeah. Earlier than I thought he was going to go.

But the guy, you know, the guy who would have been like, who do we want on our football on our football team? Who is the guy that I really want? Willie Lampkin. It's not Willie Lampkin. Now, I am disappointed to come out of this draft without a linebacker. Okay.

And Cody Lindenberg would have been that pick here for me. But I can't do it at the expense of, I mean, who do you want on your team more than the star wide receiver who was going out there blocking punts, returning kicks, going from getting kicked off the Michigan State team

to becoming a two-time captain at UNLV. I want Ricky White the third on my team all day long every day. I love it. I get Ricky White the third at 209. Yeah, I like that addition. This is the guy who ended up going in the seventh round.

Yeah, Ricky White's a fun profile. You know, what he can do on special teams is certainly something that was where you knew he was going to get drafted. Like that just felt very, very strong what he was going to do. And I know you looked at this a little bit because I do, like, I like the framing from the Eagles and Howie Roseman of day three,

like, I don't care about, you know, backups and special teamers. Let's shoot for starters. If we're going to make eight picks and two of them turn into starters, that's a great outcome. That is absolutely true. That is the right way to think about it. But I don't know that, oh, this guy's got like this one starting trait is the right way to find those guys necessarily, because you think about all the success stories of day three undrafted players and you and Zach talked about this.

Like the guys who have turned into those like those level players have been like now you've got Jordan Milata who's a different conversation. But like you know the T.J. Edwards read Blankenship overachievers like maybe that's the trade. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

I mean there's something to be said for that. And the fact that you know when you look at some of the day three picks where it's just like oh yeah like this guy's got you know the the Kairn Johnson's all. He's so explosive. You know the what's interesting about that though is some of those guys when you have those traits, and in theory should give you the high floor

to at least be able to come in and contribute on special teams. So you want that guy to have staying power and then also have that ability to be able to, you know, see if you can develop on top of that. So, you know, it's been hit or miss. So you think of, I mean, Josh Swett would have been a,

would have been a traits guy. Sure. Avanti Maddox would have been a ball nowhere guy, right? Like not necessarily. Although he tested better than I thought because he ran like sub four four. Right. Yeah. But the small length and all that stuff.

and just like going down the line. It's not, it's not necessarily just like the, the Uber athletic guy. Right. You know, it can, it can also be that the carrying trait is,

you know, has played a lot of football and knows what's going on in front of him. Yeah. It's honestly, and there are some teams that go, go that way where it's like, we're going to go with like high floor. And I was thinking about this,

it's a different, it's a different aspect altogether, not to change the subject, but it's, you know, listening to Eric Dacosta with the Ravens talk about, you know, like, yeah,

we don't want to trade up. everything we want to do is trade down, more bites of the apple. And, you know, have you seen the clip that was going around? He probably didn't, which is good. There was a clip going around.

He did an interview with their website. Okay. Where it was like, he did like an hour long sit down with their site. And, you know, he's talking about the idea of why it makes more sense to be able to trade down.

It was a really thoughtful answer, really good, talked about some of the research has gone into it. But I literally, this morning was listening back to all of Brandon Bean. and the general manager for the bills and talking about him being aggressive and trying to trade up.

We know Harry Roseman, very aggressive, trying to trade up. All these teams have like success, right? And so there's so many different ways to go about it. And that's what, you know, it's not to say like one way is wrong or right,

but you got to make the picks right. It's about which one are you able to hit on. Okay. So I'm going to give you a chance to close out your draft in a second. I will tell you, I'm going to read through the different draft classes. Okay.

The Eagles draft class. As we all know. Jahad Campbell, Andrew Mukuba, Ty Robinson, Mack McMilliams, Smile Mondin Jr., Drew Kendall, Kyle McCord, Miles Hinton, Cameron Williams, Antoine Powell, Rylind. The Consensus Big Board Eagles draft class.

Will Johnson, Chavon Revell, Marcus Bow, Braden Swinson, Cameron Williams, Damien Martinez, Will Howard, Annius Peebles, Tess Johnson, and Bresard Smith.

The Bo Wolf Eagles draft class. Josh Simmons, Landon Jackson, Billy Bowman, Marcus Bow, Cameron Williams, Denzel Burke, Bresard Smith, Gavin Bartholomew, Quinn Ewers, and Ricky White, the third. The Fran Duffy draft class. Nick Eamon Worry, Chauvin'an Revell,

Ty Robinson, Tori Horton, Cameron Williams, Tyler Barron, Jonah Monhein, Jonah Monheye, Cain Madrano, Quinn Ewers, and Jalen Conyers, the tight end from Texas Tech. Yeah, my guy, six three and a half, 260 pounds. Really fluid athlete, you know, what stood out to me about him, just automatic at the catch point. His movement skills for a guy who's 260, he gets in and out of breaks really well. He's got some verticality.

He can get down the seam really, really good after the catch, has been for the last couple of years for that offense, has played some quarterback. He's bounced around a couple different schools and never really kind of settled in. at that tight end spot. So I think you're banking on his best football being ahead of him. I think that he's a solid blocker, but at 260, like, he could be like a plus plus blocker at the position. Yeah, I think there's a lot to work with there.

I was surprised he didn't get drafted. I think that's just the nature of this tight end class, to be honest. Didn't you have brining stool over him? I did, but I think brining stool or I think Conyers, the trait, the A trait is enough to get me excited more. And I just also just, I just like the player. So yeah, I'm going to go with conures. Not trust in your board. Yeah. Yeah. I'll go conyers. Both guys went on drafted. But I'll go conures here.

Now when a guy like that goes undrafted, are you like, when you're calling around and being like, hey man, I didn't, Brian still get drafted. It was the time. And then Conier's. No, because I get why Brianne still didn't get drafted because he's skinny and tested terrible. Yeah. Like he plays like a pretty good athlete. Yeah. But just tested terrible. So I'm like, okay, that makes sense. That's why he didn't get drafted. The one. I was like, all right, what did I miss? Was the Tommy Hill?

Like, all right. There's no, even like, like, his talent, even if you say, even if you took into account, like, oh, the injury and he was giving up big plays. Right. Like, all right, he still goes. Like, Dane had him in the, like, fifth, sixth round. I think in the B's or fourth, fifth round, I think was his round valuation, the beast.

So, like, yeah, he would have, he should have gone. What about Kahn Rucker? That's another one. Yeah, I've, I've asked around on that one. I've got a little bit of a sense there. Okay. So, yeah. All right.

Not a full athletic profile. I think it's going to be fascinating to see. It felt like a lot of guys, we'll talk about this next week on our draft show. It felt like there were a lot of players. Yeah, PHLY draft show with Fran Duffy coming up next Tuesday. Next Tuesday.

It felt like there were a lot of players that basically like Alicarded the testing athletic profile. Right. And I feel like that did not play well in their favor. Interesting. So we'll see if that's something that gets rectified. soft rejoinder from the NFL being like, we want your full.

We're not going to, you can't pick and choose. We want the whole thing. Right. But you're not an elite player. Now, I don't feel I haven't like, because I do think like if you're probably,

if you're doing those inputs as a team, you're thinking, okay, he's not testing on purpose. It's a, we're going to put in a bull average score. Yeah. Right.

I got. Right. Yeah. And I haven't done like the deep deep diet, but like that just on first blush kind of going through. I'm like, oh, this guy fell like, why this guy fall?

Oh, yeah. He doesn't have a full athletic profile. Interesting. Yeah, it was something that kind of stood out anecdotally. Okay, I like that. All right, so let us know

in the comments which of those four draft classes you like the best. The Bull Wolf draft class? Yes, we agree. The Eagles draft class, the Consensus Big Board class or the Fran class.

So as you look at your class, Fran, you know, you attack the secondary early. I did, yeah. Human warren and Revel. And then, you know, you bounce around on day three. Robinson, Horton, Williams,

Baron Monheim, Madrano, you were's, Conyers. Do you feel differently about that team entering training camp versus the Eagles team? Honestly, you have a real,

you have like a defined strength on that team. Like our secondary is going to be the best secondary in football week. I would be so excited about that secondary. Right.

But honestly, like I look at it and I'm like, okay, it's kind of similar in ways where it's like, all right, I got a versatile

kind of high upside playmaker in the back seven. I just feel better about Revehous. over Macuba, but kind of similar and it's like, all right,

like there are some flags with the profile, but a really competitive physical player that fits our mentality in the secondary. And then it's a bunch of like upside dart throws on day three.

I like being a volume shooter on the third day of the draft. So that was fun to make all those picks. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like I feel good about it. How about you? For mine,

I mean, I do wish that I had come out with a linebacker. I didn't draft a single linebacker. Now, I do think that that's a position where you can find guys. Agree. Both in undrafted and in veteran-free agency. Shadow undrafted for agency.

We could. And I do like having drafted an offensive player in Josh Simmons long-term. We have talked about, and I have talked about, I talked about this with Zach yesterday. I am a little bit worried, not even worried, but just on edge. That's also overstating it. It's on my radar. But the Eagles haven't really done anything to the offense this off season. Right.

What they are counting on is, you know, carryover effect. These guys still playing together. You know, maybe a guy like Jahan Dotson takes a leap. And, you know, the Kevin Petulow scheme is going to make some kind of a difference for them. But they need the offense to be better. And they haven't really added much to it. The way that the draft played out, like I would have liked to add a playmaker at some point.

Yeah. There just really wasn't somebody in the first four rounds who made sense. there just sure and so as you think about what the eagles could have done i'm not so sure that there was that chance anywhere there there were a couple times you could have gone fanning in the second round but even that i think would have been rich yeah i think so too yeah i he could have gone burden at 31 yeah but i just i that would have felt yeah that would have felt out of place for me um as much as as i love the player um so yeah no i feel you uh and that's why like uh it's going to be family we'll have we have two and a half months to still have this discussion about the like the like the

offense versus the defense and the expectations offensively. But I think both of you made really good points on yesterday's show in terms of what your expectations are moving forward into this season compared to a year ago, especially considering the fact that the defense is probably just not going to be as good. It's tough to be as good as what they were a year ago. All right. That's enough football talk. Let's talk about some other stuff coming up next.

In, you got to do it. Over time. That's my Zach. Good. Well, did you have, did you, did you see any of the ones where he got completely cut off by the, yeah? Wait, that was not his fault, though. That was the street, because on stream yard, it, like, the video plays with the audio. So it cuts whatever, like, it wasn't his fault.

And I felt so bad. So good, because we talked about it before the show. Like, all right, this is what happens. Is it. So good. I think Zach did a great job. Oh, no question. Well, I was gotten fantastic.

Second best host in the city. What else is new with you? What's going on? Nothing. Let's see. I got an alert on my Apple Watch yesterday that my steps have increased hugely in the last a couple weeks. So I got that going for me.

Yeah, we're like that. That's a classic draft season. Yeah. Um, opposite side of that. Watching more TV. So I've got a few different shows. I'm pulling in. What are you watching right now?

So, uh, in the thick of the last. of us. I'm enjoying that. Meg and I are re-watching season one of White Lotus after we finished season three. Just because I like dipped in and out during season one and Meg was like, oh yeah, we'll re-watch it. And it is good. I'm enjoying season one. So re-watching that.

So that's the show that she and I are watching together. I'm watching Andor on my own. And-O phenomenal. People love And-Dore. It is phenomenal. Like the best thing on TV right now for me is Andor. And then also watching the final half season of Yellowstone that was that was during football that came out during the season.

Got it. And that's not as good. I'm not enjoying what they did with the final season. Leah and I, middle of the night, you know, if it's, take her to the couch 2 a.m. We watched the second season of shrinking. Okay. I love shrinking. To me was like such a perfect example of my general, my new TV take, which is like, I like these characters.

I'm happy to be spending time with them, but they're just giving them something to do and they're just pairing them with a different character. It's like we're just wasting time. There's no story to tell. Are you enjoying it? Not really. It's like I'm enjoying it, but it's a hollow enjoyment because there's no, there's no real story being told. I mean, you know, there is a story being told, but it's just like we,

we built our world, now we're just living in our world. It's, I don't know. That's good. I love that show. It's so good. I like the show. Shrinking, yeah. First season, first season, first season was fantastic.

Yeah. Second season of fun, too. Jessica Williams is a star. No question. I enjoyed it, but it was lesser than. Hmm. How far are you?

You finished this. finished. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Were you worried? I'm forgetting characters' names. Are we,

I'm getting into spoiler territory? Is that I, I think it's enough time that's going by. Yeah. And I think we're deep enough into the episode. We're not, we're not circling back to the Eagle stuff. Right.

Anytime. Were you worried and remind me of people's names, but when the neighbor goes to meet her old high school fling, where you're like, were you worried about where that was going? Like, oh, she's going to leave, because the husband is, her husband is phenomenal.

Oh, yeah, he's great. Yes. That was the perfect example of, okay, they need to create a drama for her. Right. Like, what's the drama we can create? And, like, it felt very untrue to the story and their relationship. I did not like that at all.

Yeah. I'm with you. That was the one thing. It did feel a lot of place on that. That's why I asked him specifically about that, that arc. And then, you know, the, the driver himself, like, I don't know. I don't know. Do we need the, do we?

I know that the guy from Ted Lassow was a producer on the show, but do we need him in the show? right right right yep um how's everything else been great yeah like very pleasantly surprised by how good the older kids have been yep um that's been awesome do they have like specific uh like chores or responsibilities or anything uh kiki is like the uh we call him the lea whisperer okay so if she's if she's not happy he does he starts doing a little nice that's awesome uh so he's very happy to carry that on but Jane is is very good with her too. But yeah and I mean that's it's too early for them to be like of course yeah it's been very good. That's awesome. You know feels very much like this it's gonna get is gonna get crazier at some point and

right now it's still it's still sure we're handling it well right yeah. That's awesome. Watch black bag. I think Steven Soderberg movie and nothing. Okay. Pretty good. I haven't gotten out to sit to to sinners yet. I want to try and to get the centers. Can't go. I can't go. Well, no. Yeah.

I know. I would like to. Yeah. But yeah. Otherwise. How's your garden? So this past weekend was the first one. We're like getting out and just like,

we're going to kind of clean up and like straighten up. Okay. We're having like major issues in the neighborhood with, so like I'm out walking the dog all the time. And I try and like get out and walk the dog, not just like later out in the yard. Ticks. this year,

Julian, like, ticks are terrible. Like every time I come back inside, I'm pulling ticks off of her or like somewhere on my, on my like pants or my leg. So like, really terrible. So it's been like,

I've had to like change the route. Like, all right, anyone that, there are people in our neighborhood that haven't like cut their grass yet this year. So it's like, like almost like hip high. So I'm like, all right, we're not going anywhere near them.

But yeah. So all that to say, the garden is, underway, not, I don't have anything in the ground yet. Which is that's part for the course. Usually it's like after Mother's Day and after, like once I get in the next few weeks, then stuff will start going to the ground. Okay.

Someone in the chat says that Drake Jackson was just waived. The Niners Ed Rush. Oh, yeah. I like Jake Jackson coming out. But obviously, if he's being waived at this point in his career, it's not a good sign. No, it's not good. Yeah. No.

Is that right? I thought you're going to suck. I mean, listen, the Eagles have a bit of a kink for adding 49ers draft bust, so certainly possible. Yeah, he just waived, Shafter. I wonder, I mean, it feels like for them to wave him at this point, there must be something.

Failed physical designation per source. Still rehabbing a knee injury, but it's expected to be cleared by the start of training camp. Okay. Yeah, I mean, he's got second round draft pedigree, so the Eagles will be interested on that front as well. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if they'll, how much they'll be, but we'll say.

They wanted to, that was a team that wanted to completely redo their entire defensive line. Obviously, with the way they approach the draft. So the fact that they are cutting him kind of tells you. Yeah. What is your, where are we in the sickness of you watching all the post draft press conferences and stuff? Not as far long as I normally am just because, so draft ends, those first couple days were, okay, let me write up, do the write-ups for all the all-city network teams. And then I started the undraft.

Then I did that. No, then I did undrafted free agents for every team. Okay. And that was, that was actually kind of a fun exercise because it wasn't like, all right, I need to watch four games of every player.

It was, all right, let me watch like cutups of every guy. And all I just, I just need to find like, what is the trait or two that makes this guy stand out. So that's like, all right,

let me watch all this pass rusher, like all of his pressures or the corner, like all the times that he got PBU and interception and just, kind of get a sense of what they do well. So that was fun. But some teams was like, you know,

the Eagles had six or eight, whatever it was. You know, some teams. He did that tryout guy and he made the team. That was unbelievable. That was fun. But the Broncos had 15 and I was like,

oh, and they were the last team too. I was like, all right, one more team left. I got the Broncos. I looked at the list. I was like 15. But they had honestly like,

there weren't a lot of like, you know, usually undrafted a free agency. It's like, oh yeah, there's this receiver who's like 64, 220 and ran a 14. Yeah. like or this guy just blew up the pro day.

Teams just there were not a lot of those guys this year. But again, kind of the nature of the class, yeah, it was a weird class. But yeah, so we did that. And then it went to 2026, which I've studied,

I think I studied like one player from that list of 32. So that's not like a serious exercise. It's more just like, here are the names I'm going to be studying here. I've now studied two players since then. And I've got so much data entry, like for all the spreadsheets and stuff that's that's kind of what I'm doing right now okay so what about the watching all that to say yeah

I think I've done six teams oh okay so I got a lot to do yeah yeah but that's how do you decide the order I typically go alphabetical okay um so I haven't done like the Eagles yet by uh town or by name no so by by town so okay uh I just did Buffalo this morning I finished Baltimore yesterday um yeah so yeah so I would have been upset if you did it the other way. Right. You can't be alphabetizing by the team name. What do you take you for? Like going by first name instead of last.

Right. Childish. So it's all oppressors. If the GM does any kind of in-house interview, or if he goes on, you know, Rich eyes and Florio, you know, wherever, I'll try and pick those up. And then also like reading pieces, you know,

like when I get to the Rams, like Jordan Rodriguez, you know, the Michael, was embedded with the jet with jacksville like any pieces like that want to try and take those pieces in as well wow it's a lot to take in a lot to do yeah that's well this is the easy stuff to do like this is like i i can sit i can have yellowstone some of this you would be do oh yeah that's i can have yellowstone on and because especially because that show that i'm not happy with how they're treating the last half of that uh so i can sit there and do data entry while having that on at 10 o'clock a night. You know who the Eagles,

I guess we already said this, it would have been Nikobe Dean, their best, their highest consensus. Yep, Nkobi. You know, it would have been second. From the last four years day two pick. Well, this is day one pick. Oh, this is a day one pick. This is by percentage

of where they were. It's jailing card. Okay. Got it. Get the guy who was three at nine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was a huge skip. Okay. I was going to say Nolan, if not. Nolan was 18. Okay. to 31? 30.

We brought it back to the Eagles. Aren't you so excited? There you go. All right. I guess that'll do it. How do it? How do you feel about, are you a schedule of lease guy?

No. I, I guess, I'm glad that they moved it to where, because I remember it used to be the week before the draft. I was like, oh,

it was terrible. So I'm glad that they moved it. But I, yeah, it's fine. Some of the video, the teams do are fun. It's got it.

It has jumped the shark. No question. Yes. So, but some of them can, you know, like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to see what the charges do.

You know, like that's always fun, and edgy, but, um, just tell me what the games are. We'll just, I'll check in again in August.

Okay. Yeah. That's okay. Make sure you check out our schedule of release show Wednesday night. Very exciting. All right.

That'll do it for this episode of the P.H. Y Eagles podcast. Thank you for watching and listening. Let us know in the comments which draft you liked best. And then we'll see you on Monday 2 o'clock. You know it.

Zach Berman, we'll be back for Fran and Julia. I'm Bo. We thank you for watching and listening. We'll talk to you later. And as always, we love you.