PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles-Cleveland Browns post-game show: A.J. Brown, DeVonta Smith both score

Episode Date: October 13, 2024

Another unimpressive performance from the Eagles, but A.J. Brown and DeVonta Smith both scored touchdowns in their return from injury. Jalen Hurts looked sharper, but Darius Slay, Jordan Mailata and Isaiah Rodgers all left with injury. Ex-Eagle Rodney McLeod scored a touchdown on a Myles Garrett blocked field goal and the game again came down to the wire.Join Super Bowl champion Vinny Curry, Fran Duffy, Jamie Lynch and Bo Wulf for a recap of the game and dissection of your thoughts in the chat. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

at Bet365, where it's never ordinary. Check it out at Bet365 and use code P.HLY365 to sign up. We are here to talk about an Eagles win. Fantastic. 20 to 16 against the Cleveland Browns. A little bit uneven. A little bit imperfect. But a win is a win.

I am Bo Wolf. We're joined by Vinnie Curry, Jamie Lynch, Fran Duffy. We're going to hear from Nick Siriani's post-game press conference from The Link. We're going to hear from Zach Berman from the link. We're going to hear from you in the chat. Tell us how you feel about this win. Let's start with you, Vinnie. Do you feel good about this game?

Or do you feel like there's still a little bit too much to work on considering the fact that it's week six and we just came off of a bye? I'm going to go in a positive direction. I feel great. I feel good about the win. But I do feel like that, you know, there's some things that need to work on. But when you have 11 and 6 out there on the field, it just shows you how much the game can change.

You can just tell by when AJ hit the end zone, the smile on Jaylon's face was unbelievable. You said it looked to you like Jalen was playing with a little bit more joy today. Yes. Probably in large part because he had those guys back. Yes, yes, yes. And then on defensively,

I felt like you felt the defense to the screen. They play hard. Do you guys agree? Yeah. Yeah, defensively. I think they showed up, you know, against what they were supposed to. Coming to this game, the worst offensive football.

Yes, yeah, and that's why they showed. You have to show up against Deshawn Watson. He's terrible. I'll be honest, a win is a win, and that's great. And people in the chat may say I have like a Siriani obsession right now. And in the game, y'all know the fans. I think we have, I think we do have to have a long Syrian conversation at some point during the show. It feels like a weird win.

The shaved head. Very weird win. He's getting into it on the second possession. of the game with two Browns cornerbacks. We will get to that. I think there's plenty to talk about there. For you, Fran, this offensive performance, I mean, you have the 45-yard touchdown to Devante Smith

on that mesh play that all of a sudden is working again. You have the game-winning play at the end there. You dial up a deep shot, a contested play where A.J. Brown comes down with it for 40 yards, where if it's an incompletion, the Browns are probably getting the ball back. sort of the testament of this team maybe goes as those two star receivers go. Yeah. I was thinking about it. A little bit easier?

Yeah. To me, I was thinking about it just now as we were getting ready to go on. No matter how you felt about the Eagles offense coming into this game, I feel exactly the same, right? It's star driven. It's a, you know, AJ Brown, Devante Smith, J.lyn Hertz, Sequin Barkley. They couldn't get the run game going today. And that has been really the easy button for them offensively. It was the Sequin Barclan Barclay in the run game.

They couldn't get that going. So really the offense was vertical shots outside the numbers, the tush push, and a couple of mesh plays. That was the offense today. It's going to be high and lows. And if A.J. Brown is replaced by like the 15th best receiver in football instead of one of the top five, top three, they probably lose this game. Yeah.

Yeah, we wouldn't even be talking about you. And then go back to the beginning of the show when you say, depending how you feel, I think I probably would have back to Mike. You know, but that goes to show you that how special that guy is. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy how much he lifts the team and also how uninspiring that makes it feel for the rest of the team. Like we talked about it, is it going to be just as simple as the offense is fixed because A.J. Brown is back. It didn't look like they did much on offense other than just put A.J. Brown back in the game.

No, because, I mean, look, what we saw on the, on the last drive. Like what did they do during the buy? Yeah, the last drive, he makes that catch. Great. catch awesome we're going to talk about the highlights on twitter like that's great but opening drive they ran as there was the same throw and it falls incomplete you're not going to win on all those those are not the those are not high the chance of success type of plays and so there's going to be boom or bust there and it's just that's a tough way to live it does he started 0 for five jalen

hurts right in this game yeah and how many of them were vertical throws outside the numbers like that that's fun but that's not a good way to live that's a tough way to live as a quarterback is a game ceiling drive the time and place to pull that play out there? It's a risky play. I mean, you're giving the Browns a free time out like at worst or at best. At worst there's an interception or like the game was far from secured and we're

airing it down the field. I like, I don't know. It was weird man. That was a weird, weird win. If we want to spin this positively, Jamie, where it is? Like, is AJ Brown the best receiver you've ever seen the Eagles have? Yes. I mean, you know, T.O. But it was such a small sample size. There's been nobody close. I mean, this guy's a

freak. Even that touchdown pass, like to hold on to that one hand as the guy's pulling on it with two falling backward. Like, he's the best Eagles receiver I've ever seen. He's a freak. He's unbelievable. He really is. And he finishes this game with six catches for 116 yards and a touchdown. Both of us hit those pregame bets on Bet 365. Very nice. And continue to let us know what you guys think in the chat. Vinnie, you have been sort of talking about throughout this season, you're starting to understand what life is like for the Eagles fan as a person. You know, Like the way you watch a game as opposed to being a player?

The first two drives had me like, what's going on? But then AJ Brown scores. Right. And then now you're like this again. And then they start going to a little run and then there's a block field goal and now you back down here.

I'm like, oh my God. So I had to ask you guys, this is this how you felt? Right. We were playing like, this is this going to cost our fan base to have high blood pressure. Yeah, no doubt about it.

And this game is the perfect example of it because if you're playing in this game. Listen, we know it's very difficult to win in the NFL, right? No matter who's coming in any given Sunday, all that stuff. You come out, you win 20 to 16, you get to go to three and two. You're feeling pretty good. If you're a fan watching this game, I mean, the Eagles were favored by nine points. They win by four. It's sort of a coin flip game. Like, you don't feel as good as you would if you were on the field, you know, pouring your blood sweat and too. And if like, you know, if the audience caught out podcast on Tuesday, we talked about, you know, it's going to need the officer

line to dominate. Now, did I see domination? No, I don't think I did. And you also talked about Jim Schwartz so good at stopping the run, Sequin Barclay in this game, 18 carries for 47 yards. That's 2.6 yards per clip. And you knew that Jim was going to emphasize that because that's just who he is. And we know how bad he wanted to beat the Eagles. So I just, you know, just to stop my my boy, Sequin. That's what I'm upset about today. Yeah, Fran was calling it out from the jump. like the offensive line is just getting no push out there today. And you can see it. I said at halftime with Bo.

I was like, this is the most human we've seen Seekwon Barkley to date. So, crudos to Jim, Jim Schwartz there. Why don't we check in with the link right now because there's a quick press conference being done by Brandon Graham,

who played in his 200 game as an Eagle, the very first player in franchise history to do that. Well, you know what? It's cool that they still believe in me at this. point because being a vet 15 years, you know, usually you come in. I was calling myself the knockout punch at the end. It's like you sitting around waiting, you're encouraging, but you ain't playing too much, but then you come in when you need it and, you know, you're going to make a play.

But I was just happy to be of service to the team and help during a key moment at a game and, you know, just doing my job. That's really all it is. Just doing your job. Well, I just tell them, like, don't get bored with, you know, kicking butt. I say that. You know, that's what, you know, PG, PG. But at the end of the day, don't get bored with it.

And that's what I told them. I'm just like, this league is funny like that. As soon as you start believing in whatever's going on, and then you start taking the play up, not even taking the playoff, but when you start letting your guard down a little bit because you feel like they're going to quit this league, you got to play to the end, as you can see. We was in the fight towards the second half, I mean, the first half,

they blocked that kick. It was 10-10. And then they got the ball back, and they was driving for a minute. And then, you know, we went out there. What were you supposed to do? It wasn't as pretty as some people might thought it should be, but that's the league for you.

You know, they had a good defense. They played hard. We played hard. And so at the end of the day, I felt like we kept them out the end zone, and I was proud of that as a defense. But we got some things to clean up, but don't we all? Well, I know I believe in these guys in our room. And it's like I tell them boys all the time, it's on us because people don't see what the work we put in.

They just see what we do on Sunday. So let's make sure we make Sunday the best day because of what we did during the weekend. So I'm just happy that things coming together for us, everybody believing in themselves. When you have games like this, it's just a belief that you start a confidence that you start to build. I'm not going to get too far ahead. I just know that today I was happy to get the win. And we got to stay consistent. It's about consistency.

and so how we build from the next week because we got a good one going out to New York next week and we got to make sure we enjoy this one but you know we ain't done that yet wild yeah unbelievable do you know how many

how many games you played in your career no not not 200 you know BG's a hero man he's a legend he's a true legend man and he's still he's still rocking and rolling he said he might be their best E-Ly lineman he's killing it

he's killing and that play he made as you talked I was close. Third and short. Knives into the backfield and makes that play. Do you have like a favorite BG story? Oh, yeah. I want to say, I want to say, oh, I think we're playing there, Jess.

He was miced up and he goes, you're going to do the Peewey Herman. I was like, what? And not only did he do the Peewee Herman, but he did it like three times. He was like a crazy drive and I was just sitting there like. Damn, my it was crazy it was crazy Yeah, I do love

I love the When he is miced up And he's so funny Man, very entertaining dude He's like man I gotta block that guy And that I mean The laugh you hear

It's pretty good That's pretty good Is he start to finish Start to finish Start to finish Also notorious gas And it's the funniest thing Is his locker

You always lock room His locker room, like the way he did the locker room before the game is even funny. Oh, like what? He called everybody in his homebook. You know, like, damn, how many people you need going? He's like, ha, ha. I tell, you know, that's so funny.

But, you know, when you understand his game, he don't, like, it keeps him calm. And then, you know, then you're all up tight. Everybody's up tight, but it keeps everything poised, man. That's what makes BG a legend and hero. in the city of Philadelphia. Vinny, 134 career games. I might have to come back for 70. You got 66 more on you?

I need to get 70, so I, you know what I can have over 200. There we go. I like that. Now, Fran, your thoughts on general, the defensive performance in this game. I mean, we talked about the Browns came in here with the worst offense in football. Sean Watson goes 16 of 23 for 168 yards. They lose Jerome Ford in this game. They lose Nick Harris.

They're starting center on the first drive of the game. Michael Dunn moves over from right guard to center. I thought he played extremely well. Amari Cooper, four for 42. What do you think of the defense? Yeah, it's one of those that I'll always say, I can't wait to go back and watch the film and see how the secondary played. A number of those plays you saw Deshaun Watson was double clutching as he was dropping back

to throw. And he said, oh, like, I wonder what the coverage looked like. It's entirely possible that guys were running Scott Free across the middle. And he just was doing what he had been doing throughout the course of the season, where he just wasn't pulling the trigger on some of those throws. And so I do want to go back and see, but the pressure was evident from the jump. We saw not even on plays where it resulted in a sack.

It was great to have five sacks on the board, but on a number of plays, they were able to force DeShon Watson out of the pocket. There was a couple turnovers that they should have come away with. We talked to the halftime, Jamie and I, about the Quinnion Mitchell and C.J. Gardner Johnson near interception down the left side. But I think the pressure being there, certainly the number one takeaway for me from this defensive performance was the fact that the pass rush started to come alive.

And again, keeping in context that Dishon Watson holds onto the ball lot, takes more sacks than most quarterbacks. That said, we said that about the bucks, right, coming into that game, that Baker takes a lot of sacks. They weren't able to do anything in that game. In this game, they did. Those five sacks, as you talked about, Josh Sweat gets one, Nolan Smith gets one, Jalen Carter gets one. And you got a split between Cooper. Dejean and Bryce Huff. Bryce Huff finally on the board.

Post-by. Here we go. Yeah. And you know what? I want to give some praise to Nolan Smith. I thought he did phenomenal today. At setting the edge, making his presence known, and, you know, bouncing out on the screen as we was watching, you know, I thought he did a great job today. One thing that always pops off with Nolan Smith. And to be fair,

to Kobe Dean as well, who missed some tackles in the team. But both of those guys, they play really hard. They play really hard. As you're figuring it out, as a young player, and if you're a vet

playing alongside those guys, that can lift, like, the perception of you, right? Like, even if you're not always doing your job, you're not always getting home.

Like, if you're playing hard, your other guys around, you see that, right? Yep, I'm telling you, it just shows like, you know, well,

I want to. Yeah. And, you know, the harder you play can kind of break an officer of Lime and Spare. Like, damn, man, this dude ain't going to slow down yet, you know. It started getting in their head a little bit, you know.

So I just wanted to just give him a little bit of praise because, you know, he's been. Yeah, he jumped. He jumped off the page today. He had a good game. And I thought Cooper DeGine, I mean, really. Stepping in as the full-time Nick was a good game. Pretty great, day, right? You know, the one missed sack, I know, but I think he was trying to go for the punch there.

And Watson kind of like hit-checked him, got in on the sack earlier. It just seemed to be around the ball a lot. Yep. making plays. He didn't screw up. I thought it was a great debut for the kid. Milton Williams and Thomas Booker also sharing a half sack as well. Jamie,

what did you think of Kevin Stefanski's decision to kick that field goal after the false start there? Like fourth and 14. You could go for it, but you have three timeouts. I mean, I think that shows you. He doesn't have much faith in his offense. It's big up the fourth and 14.

So I guess he's thinking, I'll take the points and this way a touchdown can win it for me. If I get the ball back, I got three timeouts. Kind of weird, but like their offense is so bad that I kind of get it in a way. Yeah, I can't tell them on that one either. 14 yards to go is that's a lot. When you have all three timeouts.

Yeah. So I guess that's the thinking. But then if you don't get it, they're backed up anyway. You're going to get, you could still get a chance. It's, I think that's, that's kind of a coin flip. But what do you think, Brian? Yeah. In the moment, I wasn't feeling great about that decision if I'd be a Browns fan.

But with the fact that they just, I mean, they've struggles on third down, especially in those certain long situations. have been no non-starter for them. So I was not surprised by the decision, but obviously they would require them getting a stop, and the Eagles were able to come through with an explosive play. All right. Tell us what you guys think.

Bo, Devin's step in the chat says your laptop is making them very nervous. I think it's, that brings a little drama to the. It doesn't look bad from where I'm sitting, but seeing it on here on there, it looks like it's just teetering on the edge. I'm happy to, as we keep going, I'll make it a little bit further. You know, it does look like it. I don't even know how it's holding on. I'm on my foot up here.

I think that's fine. It's going to have a little drama on the show. Keep the visual audience engaged. Our discord is a fire with Nick Siriani talk. Somebody just asked why we have a child coaching the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah, listen. I mean, the haircut is funny. Borderline unhinged, I think it's fair to say.

He went full Brittany. You never go full Brittany. I really do think, like, him getting into it with the two browns. cornerbacks on that second drive of the game, which I don't know how much they showed on TV. They didn't show it on TV at all. But being there in stadium, I mean, he's like demonstratively going like him and Greg Newson. He's like stepping onto the field pointing and stuff. It's like right in front of where Jeffrey Lurie's boxes. And I just, I had to go back to what Jeffrey Lurie said at the owner's meetings when he was asked about this because, you know,

there was the reporting that he doesn't like Nick's sideline demeanor. I mean, it's hard to like, right? And it's, yeah, it's tough. And let me, let me pull up what he says. Sure. He says, one of his, one of the aspects that makes Nick really good is he's authentic. He doesn't hold back. That can also be a negative at times.

I love his passion. I think he recognizes that it can be a little bit counterproductive if he overdoes his own passion, but you don't want to stop where that passion is coming from. You have to find a sweet spot. I think he wants to find a sweet spot of what that. That's like, but I love his passion. So I mean, yeah, like he wants him to tone it down a little bit. And then at the end of the game, he's yelling at fans.

Like, I know a win is a win, but you sort of like skated by by the skin of your teeth with a four point win against a terrible team. Like, it's not necessarily pounding your chest time. Was there like that foxhole mentality? I know that's something that coaches and players will point to at times when there's a lot of adversity around the team. And it feels like, you know, fans and media, everybody's against you. is that how do you feel about that in a locker room in the moment

is it live service is a real like us versus them like no no no no it has to be convincing though right hmm have to be convincing yeah you know do you feel like what we've seen is enough yeah if you uh like the geek they play the good game right you know coming off a buy you got the two two star receivers back um but once again you know They stopped the run. It was the defense played good, but it has to be convincing. When you're drawing at the Philadelphia Eagle fan now next week.

Now, when from next week, it don't look like that. Yeah. I guess a New York team, now the fan is going to be drawing back back. So I might even rev them up, you know. Now you win, you stack two wins? Yeah, you might, okay, here we go. You know what I mean?

We back in a consecutive win column. You know, you're going to jar. But you has to be convincing if you're going to jar at these fans because it's a lot of them. There's a lot of them. How does that translate on the sidelines? Like, can that pick you up if your coach is peacocking around or are you and your generation? Is this a new school, old school thing? I think we don't get caught up in that, you know, because you know it's coming from a good place.

Sure. That he's hyped up and he's fired up. He's not like, you know. he's not poking a bear just to poke a bear yeah yeah exactly it works if everybody's with him if everybody's a lockstep right if there are guys you think it's a distraction you know i don't know that's not great yeah but you know yeah i don't think that the guys was even looking at them because they was just so locked in okay we got back in the one column now it's time to stack these things you know he just was probably overly fired up i would love to hear we had the same his press

confidence if he even brings it up um but uh If it was more convincing than I would like, I'll be with him. Like, yeah, man, that was dope. Like, ah. He puts a... I mean, you have played for different kinds of head coaches, right? Yeah. And Andy, super steady.

Oh, right? You could win by 70 points. You could lose by 30 points. You could win the last play of the game. I guarantee you to be the best poker player in the world. Yeah, right? I guarantee you. What you see is this is if you win it.

It's him if we're getting killed. I'm like, dang. This dude don't get. Rattle, everything is a, man. You know, he's like, you know, the only thing I obviously is man happy about besides winning championships is cheeseburger. Cheeseburgers, that's right.

It's crazy. But do you think that that translated to the locker room? Like, did his steadiness translate to you guys? Yeah, you don't want to be the one that disappointed that man? You know, that's the kind of, you know, that's the kind of the oral that he bunged there, you know what I'm saying? Think about the tradition that he even revamped it here. When back in 99, like when he got in, like,

that tradition is mean something. All the great players that played under his umbrella, and he leaves. Like, we weren't talking about Kansas City the way we talk about Kansas. He go over there and do the same thing. That's because of his demeanor. And his expectation is... The franchise.

That's right. The curated history of the birds by Zach Berman, whoever books are sold. I do think the key is. with respect to Siriani, what Jeffrey Lurie says is the authenticity. Like, if that's who Nick is, that's fine. He's being himself. It, if it's like distracting to the guys and it's becoming a little bit too much,

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to talk about oh myelotta did not look good short of myelotta leaves and does not return with a hamstring injury and derius sleigh left and did not return with a knee injury uh when sleigh went down Isaiah Rogers replaces him on the outside Rogers then went down himself hilly wringo comes in then Rogers came back and at left tackle that was in the fourth quarter but fred Johnson comes in and plays left tackle what did what did you men Dallas got it also And Dallas got her right, of course, leaves and does not come back. I'll tell you what, this is one thing that drives me nuts. And we have sort of talked about it over the past couple weeks, Fran.

Dallas Goddard goes down. So they still want to play 12 personnel. You've got Jack Stoll and Grant Calcutera on the field. Why on earth is Grant Calcutera the inline tight end? And Jack Stoll is lining up in the slot. Like, players not plays, right? Give these guys the roles that are worthy of their respective skill sets. It goes nuts.

It goes into the like put your players in best position to make plays kind of thing. We saw some explosive plays from Grand Calcutera. You had some juice today. He had some juice. He had the 20 yarder down the seam. He had the long catch and run that went for over 35 yards, right? But yeah, if both guys are on the field and Eagles played a decent amount of 12 personnel in this game, I thought that was interesting, especially in the first half.

But yeah, like having Grant as the inline guy was stole as the slot player was surprising for sure. Oh, boy. Well, here we go. Nick, with the family and this haircut. Let's hear what Nick Siriani has to say. No, just excited. Just excited to get the win. Just excited to get to win.

Yeah. It's hard to win in this league, so we're excited to get the win. Our fans created a couple false starts that really helped us win this football game. But just excited to get the win and appreciate the link support. It's damn hard to win in this league. Man, and they got some really good football players over there. I know Coach Dufansky is a hell of a football coach. And so it's hard to win.

But what we'll do is we're going to stay hungry, we're going to stay humble. We'll look at the things that we messed up and we got to fix it. Did we play like a championship level team today? No, not by any means. We had mistakes that we need, you know, that first and foremost is always going to be on me if we have those mistakes. And we'll get those cleaned up.

And we'll be hard on the guys tomorrow, you know, based off the things. And we'll celebrate the things we did well. and we'll be hard on the things that we didn't do well. And all that matters is that we get better from this. And, you know, so excited about the win. You know, and I thought a lot of guys played really good games today. You know what? I mean, you guys keep talking about it.

And then, you know, we have two defense started fast as shit, right? They started as fast as you possibly. Sorry. He don't know what that mean. Sorry. You're the only one that means. defense started fast. Like you guys say this and it's like slow start.

We'll say it up on the offense. The defense started fast. And you know what? Like we started slow. First two series, we didn't score, but then they put their head down and they went down and got points. And then they did it again. So like I don't want that to be in their heads.

You know, we didn't execute. We didn't call good enough plays. And we didn't score early on, but we scored, you know, we scored and got up 10 nothing. So I think as a team we started well Just you know we can start a little faster offensively. We'll keep working on that Keep trying to put them in plays that they can that they execute well put our put the ball in our playmaker's hands and let Jalen go to work I thought Jalen played an unbelievable game today

And so yeah We'll get we'll get on track It will turn because we're working hard at it and players are working hard at it I was having fun I was having fun and they kind of got some feedback from the guys is the sense of like we We need June back, Nick. We need your energy. We need your focus. We need your, like, I've gotten that from a couple of players.

And, you know, when I'm operating and having fun, I think that breeds to the rest of the football team. You know, if I want the guys to celebrate and be themselves after big plays, then I should probably do that myself, right? Now there's times for that and there's times not for that. I have to have wisdom and discernment. of when to do that and when not to do that. But, you know, I think 21, you know,

I was kind of talking back and forth with 21 and 0. I think Newsom and Denzel Ward are phenomenal football players. And, you know, Denzel Ward made a really good play there. I told Jacob that he's only allowed to get jerseys of players on other teams that are just superstars. Like, I don't want to see him with, like, mediocre player. Like, he can get a Denzel Ward jersey. I'll let him do that because that guy's a phenomenal football.

That guy is a phenomenal football player. I had played college football with a bunch of guys from Nordonia where he went to high school. And so just got a lot of respect for him. And that's out of fun. And Rodney is the other guy. You know, obviously, I love Rodney. Man, Rodney means a lot to me. You know, I think back about Rodney talking to our football team in 2000.

I actually felt like I think I said something today or this week, how Rodney said something in 2021. and I have so much for Rodney McLeod, I have so much respect and gratitude towards him. And so he's talking to me, I was talking back to him. It was just a lot of fun. A little bit during the buy, a little bit during game. Yeah, you know, yeah, you know, obviously we'll keep stuff that I'll never try to give a competitive advantage to anybody else. So, you know, I'll say this, I made the call on third and one.

nobody else but me. And, you know, like I said to you, I did that on defense one time as well. You know, made a call on defense. I didn't work out just so you know. Just I'll put that out there. That wasn't on Vic. I won't tell you which play.

But I'm going to do that from time to time. You know, this time it didn't work. And so that's not nobody else but me. Then, you know, we got to do a couple things a little bit different. We got to do things a little bit different of how we let out, you know, 95's a really good. good at blocking kicks. Like, man, 95, man.

Holy crap, that guy. That guy is something else. Miles Garrett. I've never seen him, maybe in 2020. Yeah, I think I saw him up close and personal in 2020. His name is Miles Garrett. He's named after you. You get the same name as him.

But he, that dude, that dude is something else. He's as advertised. You know, we watched him all week and we thought about him all week. I don't think anybody thought of Miles Garrett as much as we did. And we had a plan for him on offense, and then he makes a play on special teams. I'm sorry?

Nope. Nope. That was the quarterback of Kellyn and Jalen and you know, something that they looked at. It's a good job by Jalen and AJ talking at the line of scrimmage, figuring out what the best play to go to was. There's a little bit of a check

there. And, you know, good players making great plays. AJ, AJ's got, yeah, you can ask them. I mean, if they want to tell you,

they can tell you, but they, two guys made a great. AJ's got, I was just telling, I was just telling Jacob that, my son, that A.J.

is a guy that has probably caught so many footballs in his life and so many baseballs in his life. Like his deep ball, Jalen threw an unbelievable ball. But AJ's ball skills for a deep ball, I think about the pylon for a touch.

John in the Super Bowl. You remember that one, buddy? Yeah. And I think about today, and I think about the two today, the guy's got his arm-raked. Like, this guy, I can't imagine how many pop flies his dad threw to him when he was a little kid, and how many times he actually had pop flies in baseball.

And, man, he has unbelievable ball skills to make a catch because of how much he's worked at it. Like, he should trust his preparation because he's caught so many balls like that. And then Jalen, just he's worked so hard. to throw a pretty deep ball. And he made a perfect throw, a perfect catch. I thought Newsom had really good coverage on the play. But, you know, Kobe Bryant used to say all the time,

like good offense beats good defense every day of the week. And they had a good defense on, but we had really good offense, a playmaker, and our playmakers made a play when we needed it most. We had that mindset. And just so everybody's known, like, we had a mindset there of, hey, let's not give this ball back. Don't put our defense in a position where they got

to stop him in two minutes. Kellan called a perfect game at the end of that game. You know, he threw it when he needed to throw it. He ran it when he needed to run it. Our guys executed. They did a good job of stopping the run. Jim Schwartz, I can't say enough good things about Jim Schwartz. I think this city would agree that Jim Schwartz is a hell of a defensive coordinator. And I can't tell you how much respect I have for him and the style and how good of a defensive coordinator he's been for as long as he's been. But our guys just made a play in a four-minute scenario. You know, we've lost a couple games in four minutes

where we've given the ball back to the defense, to the offense. And we had the mindset of, hey, we're going to end with this ball, with this ball in our hands. And we did that because a great individual plays by, you know, at the end of the day, by Jalen and AJ. Yeah, you know, we've done a great job in Red Zone, in red zone defense and our guys work hard at it. Says what happened to passing the ball to Sequin

out of the playbook after the Falcons game question mark. Yeah, Sequin Barclay in this game, two catches for seven yards. So we haven't seen much of that, really since week one in terms of the downfield throws. Yep. And then also real time with Prince Blue says he's full of ish. Nobody told Nick that I think he's referring to

like wanting to see more of the antics. What did you make of that, Jamie? I feel like I was on mess. during all that. What the hell was that? That was weird. That could make for good contact. I can't want to try that. I mean, I think bringing the kids up there was a clear human shield of,

hey, guys, don't grill me too hard, you know. I think there's no other way to read that. And the kids don't want to be up there. Do you really want to deal with your kids up there? So anytime a kid comes up, I'm always like, yeah, it's a great memory and all, great photo for the family room. You don't get a lot of Sunday 1 o'clock home games at home. Sure.

I'll give him a pass, but that was weird. His answers just get weirder and weirder and rambling. Vinnie, I did think of you right as he said. Players came up to me and told me they want to see more from me. They want to see that we talked about Andy Reid transferring to the locker room with his, you know, steady pace. You buy that? That guys want to see Nick, you know, be who he is? I think so.

So basically, think about how the season's been gone so far. Yeah. How you felt his energy after the first two weeks. games. Well, he came in neutered. Yeah, he came in castrated from him. Y'all seen. Like, it was like a, like a wound, like a, I mean,

like it was like, like, wounded or something. So the energy that, you know, you used to seeing him have on the sideline. Like today, him, him jarring at the fans was something that stuck out because we haven't seen it all year. Yeah. So that's probably where that was coming from. I'm pretty sure, you know, they say,

yo, we need your energy. It's going to take all of us a clue in everybody. Be yourself. Yep. But, you know, it's back. A couple weeks ago, I think we was talking about, they say, you got to let your personality show. That's what this game brings out. You got to let your personality show, but with inside the lines, you know,

not getting, you know, to get carried away. It's like you saw the J.L.N. Hertz, AJ Brown couldn't play. Yeah, right? But when the last time we see any type of dance like that, you know, like even, you know, the whole bad boys thing that DeVante and AJ Brown does, like, we love to see that, you know, that brings out. everybody the energy-wide so uh friend you mentioned that uh they played a lot of 12 in this game 12 so i got a couple numbers for you okay it was in fact according to true media and this this could

change uh since it's right in the season high 53 percent of their snaps on offense wow in 12 personnel uh the previous high was 41 percent which was last game why do you think that would have been especially considering that they lost dallas got it on the first drive my guess is is that they were liking the potential looks that they were getting. No Jordan Hicks on the field. Okay. So you don't have Jordan Hicks. Maybe they wanted Mohamed Diabate out there, their third line or fourth linebacker. That would be the first thing I would think of. And also they might have looked at it during the buy and said, hey, you know what? Like we're not getting a ton from John Dotson and 11 personnel. So let's lean into 12 personnel a little bit more.

That could be it as well. You know, I think I'm interested to go back and look at what the run pass splits were on that as well. too because they were trying to get that run game going and as we talked about the the run game just wasn't fruitful for them today but uh i'm i'm sure to see the motion numbers as well it felt like again where there wasn't a ton of motion but when they used it they were really really good i mean they were uh you know there i think they were they were using motion at like a 50 percent clip coming in but they had the fourth highest success rate when they used motion offensively coming into this game i know that for both touchdown passes from jalen hertz came off motion the one explosive pass play or there's one explosive run play from Kenny Gainwell happened when they brought a guy in motion across the formation and it removed a removed a defender from that side and so uh you're seeing some of these tools work in their advantage but just not pushing those buttons nearly enough to create some easy button throws for Jalen Hertz the other one that drops out here a season low in play action five per only five percent of their dropbacks play action yeah I'm trying to think of which ones they would have been I mean, the only thing I think, yeah, I don't know.

I'm trying to think of the ones that we saw. There was the one throw to Calcutera down the scene that went for 20 yards. And that was the only throw that Jalen attempted over the middle of the intermediate area all day. Was that one throw to Calcutera? And that was that was off-fly action. But after that, I don't, I think everything else was just straight dropback. Well, here's your numbers on the splits. Yeah.

12 and 11. Okay. In 12, they ran 33 plays and ran the ball. ball 24 times there we go and then in 11 they had 24 plays and ran the ball eight times but so then that goes against if we're saying that they that they liked the matchup of getting a third linebacker on the field but if you're just bringing that line back on the field to run it that doesn't that doesn't help you unless they just the opposite of what they did in 2020 22 yeah go heavy to pass and you and you spread him out to run unless they just say this this guy Diabate can't play the run yeah you know if they just say like that

and which that might be the book on him because you know just remember what he was like at utah coming out He was a very light linebacker. They might say, like, hey, we can take advantage this guy in the box. But if you don't have Dallas Goddard to be, like, that extra, like, additive guy that plus one in the run game, that might take away from that as well. Let me ask you guys this. What play do y'all think he was talking about? On defense? Yeah.

So this to me is the big red flag. Vick's going to be asked for this first question. That means is that a trust thing? Is that a, let me just get this thing? Hey, let me just call something. Like, what do you guys think that is? I don't know. That's bizarre.

Yeah. We should have, you're right, because we should have talked this. Like, I don't, I don't think you have to. The third one he fell on the sword for was the miss Sequin block before the field goal. But what defensive flag. Right. Which, which, to be fair, like, Sequin does need to do a better job. Oh, he missed that one.

He's got to get the first down. And then he loses the blitz pick up on the next play. But yeah, I mean, to hear Nick say, unprompted. And this is not the case of him just covering for, like, a bad. He almost seemed bloaty about it. Like, you called a play on the guy. Like, you did it, guys. It didn't work out well.

What are you doing? I told Vic on the headset, I'm calling this one. Back off, buddy. Weird. I don't know about that one. I mean, that's terrifying. I don't know. Was it one of the third down pickups?

Yeah, like, what did that? Yeah, what's the genesis of that? How do you even? You know, I'll go back away. Yeah. Wow. What is that? No, Vic, I don't like that one.

And also, like, does Nick even, does he even have it in him to like call a specific defensive players he just like hey you got a blitz here like that's the thing is that it could it could be something like that right by buy that yeah but for him to say like novick like i got this and him like calling like going into nicobie's help me know i don't know if i buy that the only thing i could think of is as much as we gave the praise earlier you know with the with the pressure i don't think the this the run did in the run it was that stout. So one of it was one of those plays or something like that,

that's what made me ask that question. Like, what did you guys think it was? Because I felt like we didn't stop the run the way we wanted it to stop the run today. Yeah, I think you're right, especially with them missing Jerome Ford after the first couple plays. Pierre Strong, eight for 43, Deonté Foreman, 10 for 31. So that combined 18 for 74, you know, you would expect them to do a little bit better against a beleaguered offensive line.

Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, I mean, that's, and you're right, that's going to be the first question. It should be, yeah. I can't imagine that that's not the first question on Tuesday or Wednesday when Vic speaks. And I can't imagine, like, that Vic Alex being told what's going to? I was just saying, like, what does he think?

I'm like, oh, all, all, go ahead. Like, if you're in the flow, what if he was in the flow? Yeah. That's crazy. And he's up in the box, too. Like, it's over a headset. It's weird. You're not like, that's,

Seems strange. I don't know. I literally don't even know what to make of it. I'm speechless with that one. It's wild. I can't even. Yeah. And I think he alluded to it being a negative way.

I can imagine what Vic is thinking. Like, what? No. But it wouldn't be calling it to the headset. Like you would, because you would never mess up who he's actually hearing. Of course.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean the two of them talking. Yeah. I think that that my guess is it's probably more along the lines of what you're alluding to her. It's like, hey, like, we need the blitz here or we need to do this as opposed to him saying, no, no, no, no, I got this call.

Call this instead. I got to think that that would be it. Unless the energy he was bringing was, we need a fucking blitz here. Right. I said cold. Right. One of those. Yes.

And we just didn't catch it. Yeah. Which I won't, I will 80% say it was one of those because he was, he showed you that he was like his personality show today. Yeah. So, but that just was crazy. I'm going to be very curious to see what play it was. I just know

that Jimmy Landon by a corner play for him. I don't think Vic would either. If Vic Van Joe quits tomorrow, you'll know why. He's the highest paid defensive coordinator in the league, is he not? Probably. I think he is. You know, what did they go?

Yeah, he's not actually. But like, yeah, he's going to be mad about that. No doubt. And he's going to have to answer questions about it. Yeah. Which is not going to be fun either. Maybe at a restroom break. And you know what? Jim Harbaugh just left the game and he's not coming back. So maybe NFL poops is a thing going around today.

You know, maybe Vic? Yeah, Jim Arvall says it's unlikely to return. Really? He only left the sideline. I just had a quick tweet about it. So maybe he's got real bad diarrhea. Maybe Vic had to run to the can. I don't know.

Yeah, I, uh, this is one where, you know, Zach would like to say, like, I always want them to be honest. Like, please tell us the truth. That's, that's for the benefit of everybody. Nick maybe should have kept that one to himself Yeah Nick hair color make him look like seeing punk Do you know what it is?

Yeah Yeah like when he was straight edge right Yeah yeah yeah I don't know that it's a good look For him I don't think it personally works For him either The badass look man

My opinion is not the one that matters Right exactly I immediately go to Brittany shaving her head And attacking people with umbrellas Nick y'all pull up to the game I've already heard the Britney comparison With the leather vest Yeah, I mean, he looks like he's getting ready to march on the Capitol.

Here comes, here comes Jill and Herzl here he has to say. I think it was so really, really good signs of complimentary football throughout this game. Some moments not so much, but in the end we were able to find a way together as a team. Proud of how our defense really stepped up and played. Young guys, you know, Cooper and Quinn Youngs stepping up. get some really good receivers. VG, obviously, showing up in his 200 game. That's really hard to do.

So that's a testament to him and his journey and the leader he is. And Chansy being able to step up and make some plays as well. And then obviously up front, being able to wreck the quarterback and get after the quarterback like they did. So for one of our sides, I was very happy at that. make some big time stops, make some big plays on the perimeter.

Always good to have those guys out there. We just need to continue to build as a team, build that identity. I always get to build off a win, so we just want to continue to take steps. Say that again? It's an alert in my mind, yeah. So when you alert something,

it always has the potential to be number one. That's not necessarily the guy that is drawn up to go to. but everybody's accessible. He's really good at catching the deep ball. He tracks it well, knows how to use his body well. He's very strong, and I think he's gotten faster too, so he made some great catches. It was.

It worked. Just coming out here and playing clean. You know, good to come off of a win, especially after all the work that we've put in, all the conversation that I've had with everyone. It's good. It's good to win. That's what it all is about at the end of the day. We all come here, put our time, our efforts, our energy. We spend so much time with one another just to chase this common goal, you know, and that's team football. And I think

today we play Eagles football. I gotta clean up some things, you know, had the situation before I have, I think could have been avoided. But ultimately we're building, you know, and it's always good to build up for win. They're going to tell us what the questions are, so that's all right. In a minute, we're going to hear from Fran, breaking down what might have been the most important play of the game. We're also going to hear from Zach Perman in a little bit. We will do that after a word from our sponsor.

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time in their past four games, the game-winning touchdown or game-winning play, basically, comes on mesh. How did that spring Devonte Smith for a 45-yard touchdown? I mean, they were ready for a third down man coverage, Blitz play call. And they had the right, the right call dialed up for it. It was exactly what they got, uh, basically against the saints a couple of weeks ago, where you sprung Dallas Goddard. This time it was, uh, Jack Stoll doing a really good job, essentially setting the pick against Denzel Ward, uh, in coverage.

That's why it's the corner in that coverage. Um, but Devante's inside and he's working, uh, he's working the shallow cross. He had a tight end, uh, grand calcutara working up the seam. that kind of sets that first level of interference, but it's Jack Stoll essentially running at the corner that's chasing Devante. And you saw the corner basically stop in his tracks. Devante's wide open, beautiful catch and run. Again, that was blitz man coverage.

So it's what we talked about the other day. If you against a blitz like this, if you can make that first man miss, no matter how it is, whether it's a pick play like that or if it's the ball carrier forcing a miss tackle, you're going to get an explosive play. He was wide open because it's man to man cover. You only had the one safety deep. And if the safety's taken away, that'll be enough to create the explosive. And so the Eagles were able to get on the board there with the mesh play touchdown.

So this is sort of the tension between do we want to be showing more new stuff? Like are we disappointed that they're coming out of the buy on offense? You've got your two best players back on the outside. We're still sort of seeing the same looking offense. There's nothing new or fresh versus, well, let's do what we do well. this is a staple play for us, let's run it. And if it's the perfect call, then it looks like that. Yeah, I'm perfectly fine with it.

I honestly want to see more. Like, you know, look, there were four completions over the middle today. Or there were four attempts over the middle today. Three of them were caught for explosive plays. Like he averaged it was like 12 or 13 yards an attempt on those plays over the middle the field. That's not by accident. Like, that's where some of these explosive plays come in the NFL in 2024.

And so, yeah, I'm okay with, with, them running mesh back. And we saw, I mean, Vinnie, those 2013, there's 2014 teams like, you know,

Chip Kelly, the, well, Sean McCoy and Deshawn Jackson, like, slap and a hand, you're like mesh over and over and over again. Yeah, it was like breathing to that offense.

And so I, to me, I look at that as like, yeah, like, keep dialing those up. It's like one of those things you want to, you want to get the ball into one of your best players

hands as quick as possible. Yeah. Right. And there's. Ryan Westbrook's screen game. Right. I was a big fan of plays that were. Yeah.

And also, So if you run it enough, there are like fun changeups you can do off of it. And that's where that's, you know, those Chip Kelly offenses when they ran it so much, you saw them do like the little like the fake mesh where he looks like he's going to break inside, but he puts his foot in the ground and breaks back to the sideline and then he's wide open. And so there's plenty that you can do off of it. So I'm cool with them running some of those same plays. If they work, it's a high, it's a high percentage play.

Absolutely. I think you still want to try and push those buttons. By the way, Elliot Shore Park just tweeted, I think we missed this part of Nick. Nick Siriani said the deep shot to AJ Brown at the end of the game was a decision made by Jalen off of what they saw. Yeah, I mean, it's reminds you of the Seahawks. The Seahawks, yep. There's a look that they got and he just automatically goes to AJ there. I think Jalen was talking about it.

He says it's an alert. It doesn't mean it's definitely going to go there, but yeah, he went for it. Well, you can talk about a smile on his face today. Yeah. Right. Which I think that's, you know, that's, that works. Right. I think that's good.

But again. you want I think the alerts are good from that standpoint if that's what it was and it wasn't like oh hey we're changing this play at the line scrimmage and you're going to run the go ball but if you just don't want to build the whole plane out of it right you just don't want that to be the majority of what jalen's dropbacks are you want to try and create some easier throws for them within the structure of the offense I mean this goes to the whole conversation we've had with dan is about like the the expected completion percentage like he throws these balls that are that are tough balls to complete,

but he does it because he has AJ Brown and Devante Smith. Yeah. It doesn't need to be that hard. It shouldn't have to be that hard, right? We looked at those numbers last year, and it was you look at all the top receivers in football. You know, we go back again, looking at 20203, and it was Tyree Kill, you know, C.D. Lamb, Justin Jefferson,

you look at all those guys, and the percentage of plays that those guys, the percentage of yardage and receptions that those guys had that came off of motion, that came off of play action, that were attacking the middle of the field. Whereas you look at AJ and D.J. Devante and everything is contested, nothing is wide open, everything is outside the numbers and vertical. Again, it's just a, it's a tough way to live. It's a tough way to make money.

Jamie, what do you make of now all five games? The Eagles now remain scoreless in the first quarter. And I think Zach looked it up the fifth or six teams since 2000 to go scoreless for that long into the season in the first quarter. Yeah, Fran and I talked about it in the pregame show and, you know, coming off of the buy at home versus a mid-cleveland defense. I don't know. First drive again. Like those first 15 plays theoretically should have been

the best they got, right? Like you want to come out of the by at home with the stadium that could turn on you like this. And you want to put together some first. And I even said to Fran, I was like, I'm a simple man.

Just give me a Sequin Barkley, six yard run, set up a second and four, baby step your way down the field. You know, and they got it. And then two deep shots that were really tough plays. And I just went,

what's going on here? I think this should be, actually the return of serve this week should be Vic goes in and tells Nick, hey, I'm calling, I'm calling the first drive on offense this week. Like, you give that to me. Yeah. But also, actually, not only that, but. Do you think you should call the whole game? Well, no, I was going to say, they came out at halftime and they went three and out again. And they started the third quarter. Like, you had the, you had halftime to kind of huddle up and figure out, this is how we want to start. They come out and they go three and out again. You're coming out

the locker. It's concerning. I mean, it's concerning. Why does it keep happening? And yeah. It's very weird. With the star caliber players that they have on this offense, this should not be the case. You should not be the only team in the NFL that hasn't scored in the first quarter. Vinnie, is this part of what activated the, like, the fan inside of you as opposed to the player? Blood pressure.

Blood pressure. Right. Right. It's got your cover. Because like you said, you're coming out to buy. And listen, we just want to get back to chant for our team and having a great time, chan for the team. And, you know, this week,

it goes back to what I was telling you. You got to be consistent. If they go and score two touchdowns in the first quarter this coming Sunday, I think we all be pretty happy with the win of the game. But, you know, just in the first quarter. So it's like, damn, when the last time we saw Eagles team not scored no points in the first quarter.

That's crazy. Yeah. So Mike in the chat just shared something, and I went and looked it up a couple hours ago. That's Mike. This was a, this was after. It looks like it was two hours ago. So it must have been after the AJ Brown touchdown.

So Jalen Hertz and AJ Brown. This was the sixth reception with under 25% completion probability since 2022. That's for AJ and Jay and. The touchdown was that low? That didn't seem like that low. It was a, but it's a fade outside the numbers. Like it's contested. Like that's, that's tough throw.

And it's a tough, it's a tough completion. He's second in the. NFL who's first jack still devonte smith davidt smith has seven under 20 so you have the two leading receivers in terms of sub 25% completion percentage up opportunity that's what i mean like everything is so hard it's like watching uh you know if you say step curry can only shoot from behind half court every time and he's like yeah step curry is going to shoot better than anybody doing that yeah but why you don't need to do that you don't need to do it and why and like in week one it looked like there was more the offense. Yeah. Right? It would look so different in week one. What has changed?

Or what has stayed back? What has stayed the same. Yeah. I guess is the, you know, the more, like, this is a fairly boring offense over the last, you know, 15 or 16 games, almost a full body of work. There's one constant here. Um, we'll hear from Zach Berman, uh, in a few minutes. Let's, let's, uh, I'll give you the rundown of a playing time snaps if you'd like to hear them. Sure. Uh, on offense. We, you know, we talked about they were 12 heavy. So lane, Jalen, Mackay Beckton, Devante Smith, Lenny Dickerson, Cam Jurgens play the whole game. AJ Brown misses three plays. Calcatera, 55 of 60 snaps.

Milana and Sequin, 49. Jack stole 37 snaps. Jahan Dotson, 22 snaps. One catch for 10 yards. Huge catch on that final drive. But other than that, absent from the offense. Then Fred Johnson, Kenny Gainwell with 11, Johnny Wilson with four. Dallas Goddard with three, Reed Blank and Chip, and Tyler Steen with one.

Johnny Wilson, he was, he was, he was, Like, there was a nice little drive that they had when he was on the field, uh, in 11 personnel. Then they didn't go back to him. That was a bit of a surprise. On defense, uh, CJ Gardner Johnson, Zach Bonn, Reed Blankenship and Quinion. Mitchell played the whole game. 53 snaps, Nicoby Dean 51.

Is that a change, Fran was, was, was Nicoby Dean the dime linebacker early in the season instead of Zach Bond? I'm trying to think back. He was. Yeah. I'm not sure I have to go back and look at that because they didn't run a ton of it. They were only two snaps of dime. Yeah, right.

Dejean 48, Jalen Carter, 40 of 53 snaps. That is a lot of snaps. A lot of snaps. A lot of snaps. As he continues to play a huge amount of snaps for a defensive lineman. Josh Schwett, 35. Bryce off 28. So back as the number two edge rusher,

Darius Lay 27, Milton Williams 24, BG 22, Isaiah Rogers, 21. Jordan Davis, 21, Nolan Smith, 21. Morrow, Ajama, who had a very good game. Yep. With 19. And then Thomas Booker 7, Keely Ringo 5. Avante Maddox too. Kiley Ringo with a nice little pop there on that one run play.

Yeah. I kind of like a jama. Is he jumped out to you at all of any? 97? You know what? Yes. When you're doing your job and you're doing it like playing hard, of course you're going to jump out to us.

And like we were saying that earlier that you know, those guys up there in the middle are doing a good job. But like I said, you go back with what friend was saying. You got to put the guys in position to to jump out, to make plays. And I thought, you know, they've been doing just that. Yeah, I'm interested to see what the, what some of the differences were from like a front

alignment standpoint. You went through the snap counts. It's like you go back to the game against Tampa where we saw a lot of those three defensive tackle up front with one defensive end on the field. I want to see how much of that we saw over the course of this game. I don't know if you were charting that early in the game while you were there, Bill. But it felt like we saw a little bit more standard front alignments from the Eagles in this game. but and so then it begs the question

like, all right, was that like a heat rotation type of thing against Tampa? But that's something I'll be interested in. It's not a lot of course. Now you've got to bring that into question now. We've opened that door. Would you say that was for Nolan Smith?

21 or 22? 21, yeah. 21. Yeah, 21 and 53. I think that speaks to how well he played because it felt like a lot more. Like I felt like I saw him a lot. Maybe that just means every play

is making an impact. And I also do think. You know, we sort of joked about the getting his first half sack. I thought that Bryce off as a pass rusher looked more active today than he had early in the seat. And he had a couple stops in the run game as well. Yeah. So he was showing up in both phases. Okay.

That's good. He's coming on the come. He's coming along. All right. Let us know if you have any other questions in the chat before we get to Zach Berman. Are you generally feeling any better about the team than you were, you know, five hours ago? Absolutely not. I don't think you can feel better

I don't think you can feel better I mean it's nice that they won and a way has a win I mean I borderline feel worse but yeah I don't think you can feel to me like I feel like this is a status quo game right it's like it's this was a it's a mediocre team coming in there two and two

you are what your record says you are and you went toe to toe with another mediocre team and you came out with a win four points against another mediocre team and a lot of the inconsistencies we talk about you know the the holding out hope that they got another year back in the books and uh during the buy and they like you know the offense is going to look

so much different uh that didn't really happen um like that they're going to be making better decisions in terms of like game management stuff i just it's a little bit like okay this this just is a mediocre team and we'll see if we can ride these um unlikely events with a j brown and devante smith making these contested i can't get over that that's wild to you know a playoff win So, but we weren't with you at the end of the first half before we went like. You were coming back to the stadium. I thought of you right away because it was a classic mismanaged game management situation. Sequin tries to pick up the first by getting out of bounds.

I got to save the timeouts. You have three timeouts. Yeah, I thought that was just thinking too hard. And then you don't call the timeout at 53 seconds. You let the play clock go down and, you know, die. And then you call a timeout when the clock is dead. I think that was a Brown's timeout. Was it?

Before the field goal. because that's now this is the play that nick said he called also he called yeah he said he called the third down club but i think that was a i think the broad because of the broadcast showed that it was an eagles timeout but the play-by-play had it as a as a brown the time before the actual field goal was a browns correct i thought that was an eagles time out yeah i mean that's that almost flipped the game on its head that was that was a bad football team mistake there i mean you would you would also think because sayquan we were talking about Sequin running out of bounds before the marker.

It's like, oh, why did he do that? To me, like, he was probably pressing to try and stop the clock because the Eagles didn't use the timeout on the previous play where AJ got nine yards and he gets a timeout. Well, that's the thing is use the timeout there. You have the time out of your disposal. Use it. And then maybe Seekwan's not pressing to try and get out of bounds as fast as possible

there, you know, on the second downplay. And then Miles Garrett just is Superman. I do think, though, Vinny, you have to appreciate as a former eagle even if the eagles are not a great team right now, at least they're a nice team because giving Rodney McLeod a touchdown in his return, give the guys some flowers.

That was crazy. That was crazy. You're like Ronnie, a very underrated eagle. Yeah, yes, he is. But, you know, the fans, I feel like even the fans were happy that he's going to take. Yeah, he never see that. He was all over the place today, I thought.

Yeah, he definitely played good at, you know. man just now he got me thinking about that stat leading tackler rodney mcclade eight tackles wow do you have what happened in your games against the eagles did you have any the jets or just those joint practices just one just the one no you had one game the temple with tampa how to how to go for you um it were pretty well uh it were pretty well i think we won was that the yeah the john touchdown the shot first time the game Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one for you.

Got the W. That was night. The Eagles were nice to Deshawn on that one, too. You don't want to sit there like two weeks later. The coach got fired. That was great. Oh, when Fitzpatrick's wearing the Deshawn up. That was that game, yeah.

That was a big thing. You guys. It's magic. That was a big thing because James was out. Yeah. And then we tried to push the comeback. And it was like, uh, nah. That was crazy.

You know, I'm, yeah, it was my first year there. I'm like, yeah. Yeah, this is crazy. Well, I want everybody to imagine. You can picture that outfit Ryan Fitzpatrick wearing in your mind, you know, full chest hair out. Especially when Connor McGregor was on fire. So he looked it just like him.

That's right. And now we're going to go to Zach Berman, who's wearing the same thing. Oh. Too bad. How are we doing, ZB? What's going on, Vinnie? I'm doing great.

I was enjoying that conversation for the past few minutes. But I throw the on right now. You don't get on here with some Jerry all. Like Hannah McGregor. Zach from the top, bro. Listen, we spared you an ad read this time. That's true. That's true.

But you know what? The postgame locker room was probably similar to the sentiment on the show. And then Nick Siriani's press conference was probably a little different sentiment than the sentiment on the show. Yeah. So in the postgame locker room, like it wasn't a, a team overwhelmed by how they play right you know lane johnson who's who's been around for a while as we all know he was pretty honest about like it was sloppy a wins a win but you know there

there are things they need to clean up they the slow starts were uh something that that he said is is a problem right now that they need to fix um but you know overall the end the the big picture sentiment was that they came away with a win it's hard to win in this league as as as you always hear the defense played really well, kept the, you know, they kept them out of the end zone as far as the defense. Obviously, the Brown scored on special teams. But it was not like a big locker room party. It was not like New Orleans game. It was not like the Green Bay game.

It was much more business as usual. You held serve, so to speak. You won the game, but you didn't come away thinking that everything solved. and then Nick was trying to kind of say everything's great, right? And they'll figure it all out, even though they had the past two weeks to do it,

but they'll figure it all out now. And there's nothing to worry about. It's hard to win in the league. But it was an interesting comparison between the locker room and the press conference room. So, Zach, we were talking here. Do you have any idea? Was there any discussion amongst the media

of what called Nick Siriani, superseded Vic Fangio, or possibly called? the defensive call with? So here's the thing. I don't think Nick's completely telling the truth of that stuff. I think Nick's, I think what Nick is going to be doing this season is he'll be saying every bad

calls on him, right? So if there's like, you know, that when he referenced the play before halftime, the sack on third down, it would really surprise me if like Nick's only calling the bad plays. And it would be kind of like Jeffrey Lurie piggybacking all the good picks that were made.

So I think that's something Nick's doing to try to, like, be accountable that he'll just say whenever there's a controversial play in the game or a play that has a really negative result, he'll come forward and say that one was on me. That's fine. I don't know which. It's not the same on defense, Zach. It's not the same. Yeah.

So first of all on offense, we understand that he's trying to like step on the, on the grenade, if you will. But it's not great that that means that there are lots of plays, presumably. during the game where Nick is involved in the play calling process. That strikes me as an issue. But then to open it up that he's also doing stuff on defense, volunteer that. I don't,

that go to me goes beyond just covering for his guys. Because he knows he's creating a maelstrom around like questions to Vic Vanjo about how involved is Nick. Yeah, I think he's, he's trying to present it. Like I think the way he thinks it comes off is, is like,

blame me for all the bad. stuff, credit them for all the good stuff. I don't know if the intention is received that way, but I think that's what he's trying to do. But if that is in fact true, the two plays that come to mind would be the third and 10 conversion to Amari Cooper in the fourth quarter to get them near the goal line or the big play to Jerry Judy. I mean, those will be the only two that would really come to mind that it could qualify. The only time the Browns went into the red zone was at that point in the game. So they barely threatened them.

I actually thought the Eagles defense played well today. Now, Deshawn Watson doesn't, you know, he certainly helps the Eagles with that. But I thought the Eagles defense played it well today. So, yeah, that surprised me that Nick said that about the defense. But I think this is going to be his MO. Maybe there's veracity to it. but I kind of, I'm not making these a big deal because I think what he's trying to do is like really promote the accountability for when things go bad. It's on him.

I mean, it was also the second best of six games on offense for the Browns this season. So it's not like the defense shut them down. They didn't shut, but they, but they didn't allow them to score a touchdown. I mean, typically if your, if your defense holds the other team that nine points, you're going to win the game. Like we can go through what the, you know, I haven't looked at at the advanced data on it, but from a simple version, you hold the team to nine points. That's simply good enough to win. So, Zach, one of the stories, unfortunately from this game is the health. I know you don't automatically get updates in the locker room, but Jordan Myelada, Dallas Goddard, Darius Slay, three pretty big pieces of this team.

I'll leave with some injuries. Any sense of how serious some of these hamstrings are? myelada going off in the cart didn't look like great optics any sense of what's happening there well i i spoke to well i i i tried getting more information on jordan's injury i i don't believe um that seriani has the medical meeting until after the press conference not it's not before the press conference lane johnson's hoping everything so okay uh he he he saw it happen he was i was I was talking to him about that. He didn't have an early sense of the severity.

Darius Lay, I saw him walking in the corridor after the game. He was, you know, he had a limp, but it wasn't like, you know, he was on crutches or anything like that. Dallas Goddard was on the sideline during the game. So, you know, that I don't think that's a long-term injury, whether he's back next Sunday. We'll see. But I think Mylott is the one to really be focused on. I did ask after the game about it. The medical meeting had not taken place at the time that I asked.

On Nick, Zach, just to circle back on it, the decorum stuff. We talked about what Jeffrey Murray said at the owner's meetings. What did you make of it? So did you guys watch the press conference? Did you get, Nick's? Okay, so, yeah, I mean, it was a long one today. It was interesting that what? No, it was long. He was rambling.

Yeah. So I don't know if you guys got to this part or not, but that a few of the players told him during the bye week that he needs to get back to kind of who he was from a personality perspective. Do you think he's telling the truth about on this? Jalen Hurts said he was one of them. Jalen Hurts says he doesn't know what other guys said. But Jalen says like, you know, you have to be you. And so that I did sense. early in the season, Nick, like, trying to be different. And so that was an interesting admission that perhaps it was a little tight around there.

I don't know, but that there was a noticeable difference with Nick. I don't think, now, Nick's answer is about, you know, it's just the fans cheering, that kind of thing. He said, you don't like when your fans boo. They hear that. You don't think it's, you don't like it. Clearly, he didn't like it. For Nick to react that way, something had to be said that really set him off. where Bo and I were sitting in the press box

before halftime, there was a, you know, a fire Nick or Nick Muscoe chant. It didn't catch on, but the booze very much did. Now, Lane Johnson said, yeah, he heard the booze. Nick Muskoe doesn't have the same ring to it. It's not as going to be chained. Lane Johnson heard the booze. You know, he basically said they were,

the booze were fair. They weren't playing well early, right? Totally. But, yeah, Nick's, yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought, I mean, my big takeaway other than the fact that that is a bad look for Nick to be screaming your own fans after a win. My big takeaway was players telling them that because if that is the case and Jaylen Hertz did say he was he was he was one of those guys.

Then it shows that Nick's kind of reserved nature or in trying to be reserved during the first month of the season, then didn't did not go over the way it needed to. if players felt that Nick needed to get that that swagger back. So I thought actually that... I don't think of the perception that he wasn't demonstrative in those first four weeks either. Oh, really? Yeah, I mean, you remember in the Saints game?

Or in the Falcons game, he's like, Connor McGregor in down the sideline and going after C.J. Garner Johnson after he makes that fourth down stop, I think it's because they weren't playing well that he wasn't. Like, if they were playing well, he would be more demonstrative.

Yeah, true. But perhaps it's the trash talking on the sideline, which is something he's done in the past. That's what this team's missing. Is more trash talk from the head coach. I'm just relaying to you what was said. But, yeah, I thought that was an interesting admission. The problem with all of this,

and as we've talked about, and friend did a good job outlining, like how difficult the plays that AJ Brown and Devante Smith have made. It's hard to love the chest pounding when this game is decided by the Eagles having AJ Brown and Devante Smith on the field. Like if they don't have AJ Brown, I don't think they have schemed up a win in this game. And so what is your read on like the importance of having those guys back? Yeah, I mean, it's clear.

And I said this after the, after the Green Bay game, that the, this team's built around at stars. So you look at that drive to put them ahead. It was, I know it was a four-play drive, but one was ending completion. So three plays. One is a good chunk run from Sequin Barclay or a good run by Seycquan Barkley. The next is a big play. Say J. Brown. The next is a big pass to Devonte Smith. J. Owen Hurts said that pass to Devante was, you know, it was similar to the big play in the Saints game. So yeah, it's, it's clear. And I said this, on the shows this week that the biggest change the Eagles can make is getting their stars back. And when those guys are in the lineup, it's a lot different.

And so you are right. I don't think they out-coached Stefansky here or the Browns. I thought the Browns played a sloppy game. I think there was things that Browns could have been better. But I don't think this was like a coaching or schematic masterclass from the Eagles. I think the Eagles stars made big plays throughout the game. But especially, you know, it was interesting talking to Devon. about some of this.

Devante said that, like, you've got to be patient. You got to be patient during the game. And that you know you're getting man coverage against this team. You're not going to get man coverage every week. And so when you face man coverage, you've got to take advantage of it. And that's exactly what happened on the big touchdown that he had, he said. Is that? I was going to say, and that's, Zach, I asked you on Thursday about if you had gotten any

sense behind the scenes, if there was anything else that they were really emphasizing, offensively because honestly my antenna went off a little bit when Nick Siriani is press conference on Wednesday really harped on like the turnovers and that was the big takeaway from the by week and how they had to eliminate the turnovers and yes they did in this game

but that didn't stop them from still being inconsistent offensively and that's kind of why I asked you that question was if that was just their hope that hey you know what we're getting AJ Devante back and everything's going to be better and we're just going to not turn the ball over and now everything's going to be hunky dory offensively

I don't know if that's going to be a sustainable formula. It's just that that's what, that was the issue that this team had a year ago was just the, the volatility of that past game from a dropback standpoint. And right now, I think that's what it's going to continue to be unless they change what that identity is on the field.

I agree with you for the most part. I thought today was the exception because there were times when, you know, just with the way the Brown's defense plays that you saw one safety high, right, a single safety high, tight man coverage. And I remember the slant to AJ. You know, I see the field from the bird's eye view,

and I'm like, this has to go to AJ right here, right? Like, this is the matchup that you crave. So there are going to be weeks when you're going to have to outscheme the opponent. I think today was a day when you could just rely on your best players to make plays. It didn't result in a route, but Devante Smith, AJ Brown both found the end zone. That's not a coincidence from my perspective. Zach, we talked about a couple defensive guys.

You know, the defense for the most part was really good today. That jumped off the page at us. Who jumped off the page to you? You know, who comes to mind? Well, covered the gene specifically because I thought they used him creatively. You know, he was an effective blitzer. Now, I don't think the blitz pickup was probably what the Browns wanted there. And on a few of those cases, they were down to their.

third string running back. That could have had an effect on it. But you can see why Fran was so high on Cooper the Gene coming out of the draft. Like he was the physicality that now, when I say physicality, there was a sack. He should have brought the guy down instead of just pushed him. He gets there, right? And I thought that I thought Cooper played decently. I thought CJ made a nice stop on the, on that final drive.

That was a key play there. Jalen Carter, I spoke to Jailen Carter after the game. and, you know, I thought he was really a force on the inside. And then Brandon Graham, you know, one of the underrated plays in this game, and I got to go back and watch the replay. But before the miss field goal that the Browns had, there was a fight, you know, the play when I think they bring James Winston in. And it looks like they might go quarterback sneak, but instead it's an end around the CJ,

I'm sorry, the Cedric Tillman. And Brandon Graham sniffs it out, pushes them back five yards, then the field goal just misses, right? if he makes that field goal there, the tenor of the game's different. And Cleveland can operate differently late in the game as well, right? So, yeah, I was, I thought Brandy Graham

in the 200th game stood out there. But overall, that's specifically not getting sucked in on that stuff. He was calling it out before it even happened. Why do you think that is, Vinny? 200 games. 200 games. He's seen it on a lot of football.

Crazy. like we have running at anybody else. Go ahead. But really I thought this. There we got another chapter in the new book. It's the 200th game. You know what? Brandon Graham book would be interesting.

That's for sure. I would like that. He would have some stories. But I thought the Sean Watson was a big help for the Eagles too. Like I thought the Sean Watson did not play well at all, held on to the ball too long. There were times there were two plays from the press box where I'm, I'm seeing, I think of these offhand. Like, I'm like, Jerry Judy's wide open here.

And Deshaun just was just late seeing it. So I get it's easy for me to say that from the press box. But the numbers bear that out the season. I thought that that that and the fact that, look, the Browns had a beat up offensive line. And the Eagles were able to take advantage of that at times. We didn't get, you mentioned C.J. Gardner Johnson. We haven't yet talked about the funniest play of the game when when C.J. Gordon Johnson breaks up the interception for Quinnion Mitchell.

Well, he was tough to say, don't have to have. the ball, but it was very funny. Quignon was not happy on that one. He was not happy at all. You wanted to talk about Miles Garrett, Zach. Yeah, so, you know, Lane Johnson brought up Miles Garrett, like, unsolicited, just, you know, when I asked him some of the takeaways from the game, and he said Jordan played really well.

And then he, you know, they said, Fred came in and did his job, too, because he said, Miles Garrett's the best pass rusher in the league. Lane said that. and said that he was he was so tough to stop. And then Nick Siriani said that he hadn't seen Miles Garrett, like, or he had him played against Miles Garrett in person, maybe with the exception of 2020, you have to think about it. But he said they spent their whole week thinking about Miles Garrett,

and he was just awesome. And I thought that, you know, there were times in that game when you could see the attention the Eagles were giving to Miles Garrett because he, there was, there's one play that jumps up. He was, he lined up on the right came all the way. I'm sorry, he lined up on the offensive left, his right, okay? It came all the way around and Lane Johnson ended up blocking him. It was a third down pass that that went incomplete.

But I remember saying, like, you have Lane Johnson for that reason there. Miles Garrett was just an absolute force. So that was one thing. You know, Lane, I spoke to Lane a good amount. He brought up Miles Garrett unsolicited. And the fact that he brought that up, I thought, was no. worthy. Speaking of that, what is your level of concern with the special teams at the moment? Yeah, very. I mean, this is three big, like, game-changing plays. This one, the Saints game

with the block punt. And then, and then last week, Cooper the jeans fumble. And I don't think special teams is, like, I think there's, there's year-to-year variance because a lot of those players obviously change. And there seems to be issues here. And I'm looking forward to speaking to Michael Clay this week about this, but look, the Eagles aren't good enough to give up like, you know, cheap touchdowns like that or to give up possessions like they did, two weeks ago in, in Tampa. If you're this juggernaut, you can, you say, all right, this isn't, this isn't good, but maybe you can get away with it. Like, they're not good enough to lose on the margins. And they're losing on the margins on special teams. That's, that's problematic. It's already

come back to bite them this year. And it could, you know, it could connect the vitamin the future all right Zach what are you going to be writing about on all p hl y.com and any other nuggets that you feel like are worth sharing yeah a few more nuggets are uh golden funny or relevant yeah so the kill shot play um i i thought it was interesting i asked devante before you know i spoke to nick or jellan i asked devante about it i said that's a that's a that's a bold that's a bold play a bold decision like like what are you thinking when that calls made and devante says, if you don't have nuts in this game, maybe you shouldn't be in this game. And that was his answer.

Let those. Yeah, I thought that was a succinct way to put it. Nick said that, like, they've talked about closing games. This is a big emphasis for them. They've lost games this year in four-minute situations where they're giving the ball back. And he said, like, they were not going to give the ball back. They had the call and the check there that they wanted. to like Jalen says that's that's a read on the play.

And you don't know going into it if that's what you're going to do. But then when the coverage presents itself, like that's, that's what you do. And it was, it was a huge play because look, if Cleveland gets the ball back there, I know they haven't played, he played well this year or this game this year. But I mean, you don't know if if Deshaun Watson drives down and scores. And it's a four point game at that point, right? So the ability that or the chance to close the game with the ball in your hands is huge. And I thought maybe the Dotson catch would end it, but that did not happen.

Jamie asked me before the game about Nick Siragiani's haircut. So kind of a little background on that. I think that's Nick's summer haircut. Okay. And he got a picture in this week from the summer from like, you know, something that he took over the summer, like a processing photo, and he liked the way he looked. So he said he'll go back to that. So that's the story behind the haircut.

It's not like a motivational thing or anything like that. It's a summer cut, and he liked the way he looked. He decided to roll with it. I mean, if we've questioned his judgment before, it might be even worse. And then, you know, so he's. he explained why he had a kid. I lost a bet haircut if I've ever seen one. Ouch.

I mean, I thought we're like a pro haircut show here, right? Well, yeah, I asked you about it before in the press box and you said, well, I don't really want to talk about haircuts. I said,

that's the first time I've ever heard that out of you. I was talking about haircuts more than you. I compliment haircuts. I'm not ripping on haircuts. I mean, it's a, it's a subjective thing. It's an art.

It's not a science. What's that? I feel like as someone whose haircut has been denigrated relentlessly over the past couple months, that I at least have earned being able to do it to somebody else. Well, we don't need to relitigate that. But I definitely, what I said is that I hadn't had to worry about fades in the past because you don't have a fade. Now that we have Fran, I need to keep my fade game. That's what you tried to correct.

That's how you tried to defend the great thing about this is everything. on tape. We can go back and we can play the tape. Yeah. So, so, so that Nick was explaining that he had his kids up there. Vinny is like, what, what have I gotten myself into? Nick explained that he had his kids up there because, you know, because it was, it was the way he was growing up, like, growing up, you know, he wants his kids to have these great memories. A.J. Brown came to his son's baseball game. Jan one Hertz gave his son of Jersey. Like, he, he wants his kids to have, to have this experience. So he was explaining that. And then you said what I'm running about. I'm going to do this style that I've done the past two games, which is like a way of this format, which is a way of

addressing like four or five different things. So there will be about 2,000 words with, you know, probably like 300 to 500 on a number of different topics. And I'll find a way to keep it, to make one topic flow into the next topic, flow into the next topic. So you can check that out about what's that nothing go ahead no so all right so the topics that i'll cover i will cover next year i will cover i will cover next year i will cover next year i'll give i will put a couple words together and those words will form a sentence and from then i will then create another sentence i will cover the i will cover the defense his performance i will i will cover that kill shot play um i will i will cover a lot of the topics that we talked about here with just um some more insight uh

from the locker room on it as I go through all my notes. All right. Well, we look forward to reading it. Make sure that you are a diehard so that you can read it as well on all p.hly.com. And Zach, we will see you in studio tomorrow at 2 o'clock for the PHY Eagles podcast. Look forward to it. Thanks, guys.

Bye, Zach. All right. How's everybody feeling? A summer cut? Are you buying it? Saw the summer cut. Oh, you know what? I do like that.

I'm going to bust it out. I mean, Mrs. Seriani's into it, you know? Yeah, I mean, that's the most important thing. Of course. It's an, that's a true audience of one. Yeah. So, that's okay.

But then just say that, you know. Yeah. My wife really likes to be shaved. So, all right. Yeah, cool. There you go. All right, Benny, how are you feeling after, after this game, knowing that a trip to the New York Giants at MetLife Stadium is coming up next week?

I was thinking about that the whole time Zach was talking. And I'm like, just thinking back to myself, this could be worse. with a loss. So the fact that we're talking like this with a W sure. It feels good, but they have to go out

in Dominic Giants and the way Dexton Lawrence is playing over there is unbelievable man does that fit? And they might get presumably

will like neighbors back, right? Yeah. Vinny, does that feel to actually suck to play on? Did you like it? Maybe we did it now. Yeah. I haven't stepped

foot on the new version. Okay. summer still. But your son has, right? Yeah. Yeah. Noah let it up. No, it's been putting up on that field.

Yeah. Got a dub today or yesterday against the number 10 team in the country? Today. Yeah. Waxed them. Huge double. Let's go. Yes, sir.

Yeah, Danny Dimes. Nothing bad could happen, right? He's playing pretty well right now. I mean, I haven't watched today, but, you know, coming into today, he's been playing well the last couple weeks. If they are getting Malik neighbors back for that game, I think it is a scary game for the Eagles. Where do we think they rank in the NFC's just like because Dallas is losing right now. Yeah they're down 173 to the lions. Okay.

Commanders battled against the Ravens today. I think they're a clear number one in the division. I think they are right now the favorite. Yeah. I think this week we're fighting for number two. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Seems that way. Like Dallas is probably last. The commanders are first and the Eagles and giants are battling for number two. Wow. Yikes. The dominant performance. Yeah, but that's the thing is that, you know,

I know that a win is a win. And you've got to stack these Ws. You see how it all lines up in January. But if ever there was a week where it looked like, okay, this is a, like, let's come out and have an impressive win. Yep. Against an offense that is not good at all. You had the week off to get everything together and buttoned up.

You're getting AJ and Devante and Lane Johnson back. and you come out and you're like on the first two offensive drives and you squeak by and you need a tight 40 yard completion just to come through with a win like it's not great it's hard to it's hard to have faith

that they're going to be able to turn this thing around but I don't I don't want to just be negative they won this game you know with the with the Phillies having crashed out the city needed a W we should we should try to embrace the sixers had a little bit of a news dump Joel and Bid update and like the

fourth quarter there. Yeah, that's brutal. So, yeah, no, it's good to get a W. Yeah, but we got Mitch got Mitch got playing. Yeah. But the reality, like, looking broad view, you know, like 30% of the season is now over with, you know, there might not be two playoff teams coming out of the NFC's. The NFC North is loaded, and those teams are humming right now. So I bring it up

because winning the division might be, like, imperative. Yeah, that's a good point. But I'll tell you what, though. Next week, I'm going to have my popcorn. because if Malik neighbors play, I want to see how you match up against Q. Same. Yeah, that's a great point.

A good matchup. It's a great point. Young steel on young steel. It'll be Dijin too because they move him inside as well. Yeah. So, yeah. Cooper Dijin was a huge positive today. Yes, he was.

He's something to feel good about. I mean, poor Avanta, you know, he was just kind of getting picked on a little bit there. I think a culmination of six years in a row of injuries probably caught out with him. But Cooper Dijin, I thought, brought some new life to that defense today. I think Uncle Vic might have a new blitzing toy there in young Cooper.

Fran, you will be grinding the film. Yep, tomorrow. What are you most eager to look into? I'm interested to see the back seven. I'm interested to see the back seven, see what they looked like. We could see kind of what the front looked like as far across a pass rush standpoint. But did we, do we see improvements because it was so bad against Tampa in the back seven? So were they able to clean some of that stuff up?

I will definitely write about the offense tomorrow, though, and just write about this pass. game. I do want to see what happened up front because again, they just could not get anything going in the ground game. So yeah, I would say that's probably the biggest thing I'm looking forward to, but it will definitely be offense tomorrow, defense on Tuesday, which you can check those pieces out on all pHOI.com.

Got to become a diehard. Make that happen. Vinny, any final thoughts from you? No, no. I mean, they got a guy who's over your shoulder and that's the most important thing. Yeah. I can't believe I'm saying is they got a a real important game against the Giants.

It is a big one. It brings you back to your childhood. Cool, man. Who's your least... Like, you know, I remember we talked about Trent Cole. He used to always say, like, that was the team he hated the most. Not the Cowboys. Those Giants teams are the teams he hated the most.

Unfortunately, for the Giants fans, it has been since Trent Cole's time that they have been relevant. Who was your least favorite growing up? Because I was a grown up as an Eagles fan. Who was who was your Dallas was that was yeah 20 to three they're down now there you go there go all right well that'll do it for this episode of the hl y eagles post game show we got a we got a super chat in under the wire just in time from chase daniel plainview who says any chance jalen asks shame bowen for advice ahead of the game appreciate the show obviously a call back there to uh jaylin calling wink martindale last year after they played though after they played though maybe maybe uh maybe this time it'll be Nick calling Shane Bow and hoping to make a play call on defense could you ever read to doing that like calling an opposing coach after you play them to talk through like hey like yeah well just like hey like how you know how I handle the blitz you know

you know after the games most you know most you know our D lines sometimes see the office line coach or like hey man what you saw what I could have did better because obviously they've been breaking you down. Sure, yeah. Weeks. Yep. You know, trying to fire every flaw in your game. So it's always cool to know what they think about.

And would you give that? Like if there was a young o' lineman who came to you and was like, hey, man, what did see? How did you be? Oh, 100%. 100%. That's not, that's not, everyone, that's not forget. When you come into an NFL locker room on Tuesday or Wednesday, when they're doing the first

day install, there's a breakdown of every player. Yeah. Believe that. Yep. Over the last year or two, maybe two years. Right. What you do good? What you don't do good?

What are they going to try you at? So it's up to you to, if someone keep coming up, you got to fix it. Well, it's like we were, you know, I got a chance to see Marissa before the game today. You know, Michael, Michael Dunn is starting and he's going up against Jalen Carter. And we were joking about how, like, don't make him angry. Right. And, hey, Jalen, like, I'm a really big fan. Hope you have a great game.

If anything, I think they're not using you well enough. You'd be really nice to the guy. That's how well. So, like, what the conversation was like after the game. Andrew Luck used to be. But then, good job, man. Yeah. He's just like, come on, man.

Stop talking to me. Like, you know. And he's like, we just keep doing that, man. It was just, I was just like, there's a funny miced up of him in game where every time he's getting tackling. He'd go, oh, nice hit, man. That was great. How's everything at over there, Marshall?

I stopped like that. Crazy. the fan. Bo, somebody in the chat wanted to know if Coach Clay will use Nick Siriani's kids to at his press conference on on Tuesday to address that.

Yeah, I mean, they've got a lot to answer for. I do think the line that I've always said about the Eagles special teams is that you have to think about it the same way you think about the Eagles linebackers in that the team just does not put resources into special teams. They're always the youngest unit in the league, the least

experienced unit in the league. That doesn't explain why you're letting Miles Garrett jump over the guy, but I will say it is 100% true that Nick Sierra I did call the field goal play though. That's true. He did call that for Michael play. Yeah, that's true. What were you going to say, but I say?

It just got like that, though. I mean, the Eagles you don't have good special teams. Last year, they were number one, and special teams TVOA. So, yeah, I mean, things change. I mean, come on, yeah, my man Clay got it done. He'll go get it done. Yeah. We will see how that goes as the season goes on. All right. That'll do it

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