PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles Free Agency: A year after Saquon, will Howie Roseman make another splash?

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

As the Eagles prepare for the departure of Josh Sweat and Milton Williams, plus the possible exodus of players like Isaiah Rodgers, Mekhi Becton and even Dallas Goedert, it’s up to Howie Roseman to make a splash on the first day of legal tampering. Roseman preached patience at the combine, but he’s always ready for a surprise even after locking up Zack Baun and Saquon Barkley last week.Join Fran Duffy, Zach Berman and Bo Wulf for live coverage of the first three hours of free agency action as they analyze the Eagles’ moves (or lack thereof) and react to all the wheelings and dealings across the league. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the P-H-L-Y Eagles podcast. Free Agency Frenzy, we are here for the long run. Bowulf, Fran Duffy, the only two people who care about this show. That's right. No Zach Berman. Ha-ha-ha. Just kidding. Zach is, of course, boots on the ground at the NovaCare Complex, Sequin Barkley,

doing his press conference to celebrate his extension. So we will hear from Zach shortly when that's done. He's going to run as fast as he can from there to hear and join us for the rest of the show. Lots to talk about. Fran, how was your weekend? What are you expecting over the next three hours? I'm expecting, obviously, look, it's been a flurry of news around the NFL for the last two days. My weekend was good. I spent some time in the yard yesterday, got a little cleanup done, and spent a lot of time with Francis over the weekend. It was great. Love you. It was very nice. Yeah, just a good weekend with the four of us.

Only the four of us for, you know, a little bit longer. Yeah. So you got to soak it in. How are Casey and Jane taking that? They're good. They're very excited. Yeah. That's great. Okay, lots to talk about. Now, I do expect that this three hours for the Eagles is going to be relatively quiet. Yes. Probably a reason that they scheduled the Sequin Berkeley Press Conference for the same time. The timing is probably not by accident. I don't think that that's an accident.

Probably, I would say definitely more people are going than coming. However, they might make a few moves on the margins, and they'll monitor to see if there are guys who they like whose prices are amenable. A guy like Aziz O'Jolari, for instance. But around the league, obviously a flurry of moves, as you alluded to. What did you think was the most interesting thing from this weekend? Lots of stuff. Probably the complete reorganization of the Seattle Seahawks office. bizarre, right?

Yeah, I mean, Gino Smith and D.K. Metcalfe both shipped out. Tyler Lockett released last week, reportedly released last week. So, yeah, I would say that was probably the biggest thing in terms of like biggest surprise over the last couple days. Some tangential Eagles. Okay, let's hear it already. This is Hassan Reddick, one year. deal $14 million to the Teflay-Bay bucks. Really?

Todd Bowles, Temple Connection coming through for him. Interesting. Okay. Well, maybe that means the Eagles get the backfill of Joe Chryon, Shoyanko or Anthony Nelson. There we go. As we talked about. Where are you seeing that?

Because I'm on Blue Sky. I'm on Blue Sky right now. That's on Blue Sky. That's the only place that's working right now, which, you know, not ideal timing for the people who are running our world right now. Maybe they've got other things on their mind. Yeah, of course. Okay. Redick to the bucks.

Interesting. What an interesting ride it's been for Hassan Redick, thinking back to a year ago when he and Josh Wet were still here. And then they signed Bryce Huff and you're thinking, okay, who's going? And then, of course, he had a very bizarre year with the Jeff. To say the least, yeah, obviously ended up reporting late. Yeah, it was a weird year. Not exactly what Hassan Redick imagined, I would say, a year ago before the trade.

But we'll see. I mean, look, in Tampa, I like that fit with Todd Bowles. I think schematically makes a lot of sense for him. And this is a team that won this, won the South last year. And so they're going to try and see if they can try and build on that here moving forward. Joe Tryon Shoyanka, a free agent, like you mentioned, Anthony Nelson. So we'll see. What else they do defensively?

Interesting stuff. Okay, what did you make of the Seahawks moves? Because, like, I get moving on from Gino. Yep. In order to make room for Sam Darnold doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's not very exciting. But maybe Darnold's money is a little cheaper than Gino's. He's younger.

Yeah. But I don't know. You're not winning anything with Sam Darnold, but you would probably make the argument that it's, I would say like they're, they're in the same bucket from like a salary tiering standpoint in terms of what Sam Darnold was likely to get versus what Gino Smith is at right now and likely to get if they redo his deal in Vegas. But I think when you're looking at it, you say, okay.

schematically with Kubiak coming in, Donald might be a little bit of a better fit there. And if you're getting a younger option at a similar pay scale, that's the only way I would kind of make sense of that. If they're able to get done. And it seems like all signs pointing, that's where he's going to end up. A super chat from Arthur Bowulf Smith, shout out.

Now, by the way, we're going to be here for a long time. Yeah. Buckle in. Get yourself a drink. Get yourself some food. Settle in. And make sure that you participate with the superchance. he wants to know he says Dallas Goddard 2025 feels like Darius sleigh in 2020.

He says, why not do the same thing? He gets two years of guaranteed money at a reasonable A.A.V. While the Eagles get a reduced cap burden in 25, 26. I don't know if that's exactly how it will play out. And I do think that that is probably the most interesting Eagles thing we may find out today. Yeah. What's the Dallas Goddard situation? But I do think that this reminds me a lot of like the Josh Schwett situation from last year.

I think the Slay in 2023 is the right situation where it's like, okay, listen, we're not going to give you the money you want. Go ahead, see if you can get it elsewhere. And you might find that it's not there. And then you're going to come back and we'll be happy to have you. Sweat last year. That's what I was saying. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's what you're looking at Josh Swede last year. You look at Slay from a couple years ago. I think that's all the right ballpark in terms of what we're seeing play out here with Dallas God. And look, I get it. I mean, you're talking about a player that when healthy, and I've said this before and I'll stand by this. Like when, when Dallas Gallard is healthy and out in the field. He's a top five tight end in football. You know,

when you look at the impact he can have both as a pass catcher and as a run blocker, uh, it's hard to find a player that can bring both the level that Dallas does. But I mean, he had two IR stents, the IR stints this year. So that's at least eight games he missed this year. You go back to last year, he had an IR stent, the year before I believe he had an IR stent. So, uh, this is a guy who's missed multiple games for over the last multiple years. That's, that's a tough sell to try and give him top dollar. I get both sides of it. So, uh, you know, the Eagles are obviously allowing him to try and see like, okay, what is that value going to be? Yeah, I mean, last three years, he hasn't played more than 14 games in the season.

No, 14 was plenty. That was last year. But 12 and 22 and 10 last year, like, you need him to be more available. On the flip side, you know, it's not like they have a plan there right now without him. They're not going to get somebody in free agency who's going to matter. Yes, it's a great tight-end draft class we hear. And you can assume you're going to get somebody, but that's not guaranteed. you can as you said i can sort of see it both ways but i sort of feel like given their window

it would be a little bit too cute to just to just move on yeah i don't think that they can make a deal until the draft you know like to me like i think you're looking at it as like all right we're going to see what the market is out there and unless they get blown away by some kind of deal i don't think that you know i mean you know this like howie roseman is not going to go into draft weekend not having an answer for full-time tight-out i don't think it'll be grant calcutara and that's it, a tight end going into draft weekend. Yeah, I think that they would want to have some kind of a fallback option. Like, hey, we're going to play a game tomorrow.

Like, this is how we want to line up. Do you think Grant is enough there where if they were to deal, Dallas? Well, I think it could be a deal like it was. Now, it's not the same infaragency, but I think it could be similar to last year where they go in a tackle or, you know, offensive line. Right. And like, we think we're going to get somebody early.

We don't. And let's sign like I back in the next day. I think it could be something like that where if they don't, if the tight end does not ever fit value and need on their board, then there's a person, but it's not going to be the same way. It's not like there's going to be a veteran tight end who can be your starting tight end week one.

It could be the kind of deal where like, okay, if this doesn't come through, day three of the draft, we're making a trade for somebody like that, right? And that would be though, that's why I almost feel like it has to, you almost have to wait that out. That would be my guess, right?

Again, unless they got blown away by anything. Or you let him, you test the market, you let him test the market and it might be that it turns out like what sweat was last year it's like okay they come to the they redo the contract they give them a little extra money or maybe they tack on a year or whatever it is and they redo it and move on all right a couple early pieces of news to add to us on redick chris godwin back to the bucks oh wow three years 66 million dollars a chance to make uh 24 44 million guaranteed at signing that's according to ian rapaport

three for 66 three for 66 44 guaranteed signing so 22 a year. Yeah, 22 a year. Yeah, that's a, these receivers, man, these receivers, because like the contract D.K. Mekkaft got last night from Pittsburgh.

30, right. 30 million. That's north of, that's north of A.J. He got 33, north of A.J. Brown. Yeah. I mean, Tyree.

I saw a very dumb tweet the other day after Christian Kirk was, was traded about like, okay, now that was the real high watermark of the wide receiver market. That's really going to come back to Earth now. People think that, like, okay three hours later two to at well signs for 110 like what league are you watching the cap continues

to go up they're not going to pay wide receivers less money no they i mean there probably needs to be a 30 for 30 done on that christian kirk deal because that was like the straw that broke the cab was back because that was the off season where christian kirk got this huge astronaut for money and that's where like tyrie kill and devonte adams and all these guys were like all right well if christian kirk's making this like we or i am way uh worth way more than that uh and that's where that market just blew up uh you know that's a j brown gets traded like that whole thing the cascading effects of uh that trend polky contract for christian kirk uh not enough written about that but um the other move here okay the chiefs have found their replacement left tackle and it's a little underwhelming i think

okay we got jalen more the 49ers no that's serious they gave him real money yeah what they give them? Let's see what the money is. No, it's like a, it's a real deal. Like, this is the guy who they chose to target. Okay, so is it north of, or I'll put it this way. Did it reach 14 million a year?

I don't know. I don't have, they don't have the numbers out yet. All right. Because that would be like real money. If they gave him like in lay, we'll say, like I'm looking at this. If he got like $8 million,

I mean, that's still, that's still starter money? Oh, I think it's more than that. If they gave him more, that would be really surprising. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's your starter. That's surprising. I mean, you are, you are targeting him and project, I mean, clearly you're targeting, but you are projecting him moving forward. He's their starting left tackle.

Unless they draft somebody. You know, they're going to move Suamataia to left guard. He's going to be their starting left tackle. It's not like the Niners. Now, you know, somebody told me that the Niners were, expecting like a big compic windfall like sort of like the eagles this year and they mentioned jaylon more i was like jillin more's going to get a bunch apparently i guess so um so the chiefs are choosing him over the likes of you know dan more or cam robinson um which is a little bit interesting

maybe they think there's some upside there yeah i mean look jaylon more played he played the last five games of this season not actually not even the last five but he played five of the last seven games this season. Yeah, he played fit. I mean, he played 340 snaps overall in the year. That's a big projection, but clearly they saw what they lot. I mean, I remember when he came out, out of Western Michigan, athletic, but very raw. I ended up being a fifth round pick out of Western Michigan. And he's basically sat in the, you know, in the background for San Francisco for most of his career. It's a big deal. And he also goes against what their type had been, because the chiefs over the last few years,

they have been going for the Orlando Browns, Joanne Taylor's, Kingsley Suo Mataias, like these are like 330, 340-pound offensive tackles, tough to get around, whereas more, I mean, he's 310 pounds, he's a little bit leaner, he's 6 foot 4. It's a stark difference from body type. That's also interesting given the fact

that the way that they lost in the Super Bowl was getting run through and overpowered. So there was a, where did I hear this? I'm trying to remember where, I heard this. It was on a podcast I was listening to recently. Someone had been talking with Patrick Mahomes, or people close to Patrick Mahomes, right, and said that Mahomes prefers pressure from the, they had done so much to build up that interior three. And he said, Mahomes actually prefers the pressure in his face, whereas that a lot of people say like, oh, quarterbacks don't like the pressure

in his face. He likes the pressure where he can see it so he can react to it and navigate around it. He doesn't like the edge pressure that's outside of his periphery. So he would rather they spend money a tackle and shore those positions up. This came out after the Joe Tooney trade last week. That's interesting. Man, the $15 million a year for Jalen Moore. I didn't see that coming.

You thought it was going to be Jalen less. I thought it would be far Jalen less. Interesting. Super Chat from Fresh Prince, who says, would you trade three first round picks for Micah Parsons and pay him a contract at $42 million a year? No.

Just no. Jury first friend picks. Come on. Michael Parsons is really good. I know he is, but you can't pay. You wouldn't get that for a quarterback. How young is Michael Parsons still? 26.

I think about it. Actually, we haven't talked about this on the show yet. I don't know. We haven't talked about it at all yet. But it was one of the, it was a late Combine Week show after Zach had come back from Indy. You guys did a show together. We're talking about trade compensation for Miles Garrett.

and you're like, all right, well, obviously it would take 32 and, you know, it would be more than, and you were saying, yeah, it would probably be a first round pick next year. And Zach's like, like, I just know, there's no way. Miles Garrett, like, Miles Garrett, like, you get, to me, if you're talking about Mike and you're putting Michael Parsons in that same tier, if you're going to get a great player, like, yeah, you're, you're going to have to part with another first round pick. I'm not saying I wouldn't be interested in training for him, but three first round picks. That's too much. I'd think about it. I'd have serious conversations. I think, I think, too.

I think one and a second that can turn into a first. I think it's at least two ones. I think it's at least two ones. Because how old was Ramsey when Ramsey got traded to Jacksonville to L.A.? At a position that, yeah, it would be at least two ones for Parsons. I don't know. I mean, probably, but not definitely. And it depends depends when those picks are.

Yeah. I mean, that's the problem, too, is that you're having to overpay because you're going to be a good team. Yeah, they also don't, I mean, realistically, like, they're going to have to pay a bunch of other guys. It doesn't really make sense. No. But it would be fun. Would be. Yeah, 2.30 for Jalen Moore.

New blind side of protector for Patrick Mahomes. That's, that's the way. That's surprising. Got a long show. Way to go. Very exciting. So I'm working on, this is all like swirling around my head because I just wrote the, first couple paragraphs for, I'm doing my first big board this week.

I didn't do enough last week with a three round mock draft. Right. Well, you know, we talked about on the draft show that it was, it was going to start this week. It would be the big board. And so the player value thing is very much like on like front of mind. Um, because that is a big part of how I put together my board. Uh, and so like all of these huge contracts kind of throw it for a loop because it like changes the scope with which I view positional value. And let's like, all right, well, if Jalen Moore is worth 15 million a year. To me, like, that's why, like, offensive tackles, more of them should be going in the first

round. Yeah, this is, I, I, I don't like playing that game when it comes to the draft. Yeah. Of, like, what's the, you know, the, comparing it to the free agency money, because to me, it's, it's so much more important to just get a good player and to get a young cost-controlled player is so much more important than the surplus value, uh, California. speculation. Now, of course, there are like nobody's, nobody's perfect. Yes.

Right. And so you have to bake in that you're not going to be right on, you know, 40% of your projections, right? And so if you miss, what, what is the value? And there's a reason why you don't, you know, you probably shouldn't take a linebacker or a running back in the top 10 in the draft or whatever. But I, I just, I think you can get too cute. And this, this is a same, it's the same thing about like trade compensation for a player like D.K. Metcalfe. Like, If you're going to have to trade for him and pay them like, well, then you can't pay more in draft value.

I just think like there's a, there's a dearth of good enough players that it's more important to get the good players and then figure it out from there. Like if you, let's say, yeah, sure. A Dan Moore level player is getting paid $15 million and then, I don't know, a similar level player at Corner is getting paid,

I don't know, call it 10. Right. I'd still, if I, if I, if I, if I, in the first round, get the corner who's better than I have and I and that is accounted for then I can then I have more money to spend on finding a better tackle than the one who I might get in the first round who's worse I do agree with everything you just said and that's why when I started doing it this way in terms of setting my board up I was shocked at what basically the the NFL tells that

story yeah of what you just like when you look at because and you'll see when I do my when I put my board out like there are safeties and running backs and guards significantly higher on a board than you would see but there's also like the the solid starting quarterback maybe like it doesn't have to be Josh Allen patch of my homes to be the number worthy of like the number one pick and the number one slot because there are so many quarterbacks that make extra so there are like certain architect like Jared Stittem gets eight million dollars right like and that's part of why you know they they kept picking around yeah go ahead well that's that's the there are so many like different small archetypes of player.

And that was one of the things I wrote last night as I was doing it. It was like, all, it's not just as simple as take every quarterback edge rusher, tackle, and wide receiver. They all get bumped ahead of the line of every running back safety because, you know, all right, would you rather have Patrick Sertan Jr.? Or would you rather have Gabe Davis? Would you rather, you know, the Sequan Barkley versus Gabe Davis thing? You know, the quality of the player at each position matters.

And so that gets into the projection and all that. So that's all in the front of my mind. And there's also, there's also stuff about. about like the strength of your roster to begin with like you know um or the eagles you'd rather have sake one barkley than Gabe davis but there are there are certain teams where if you're just building up from the ground up like the giants you need to have right capable players at more important positions and you can't prioritize running back anyway a couple more uh okay what you got a couple more deals drew dalman all right it's i'm gonna guess two it's one of two teams

Seattle or Chicago? You nailed it. Chicago. 3.42 with 28 guaranteed becomes the NFL's second highest paid center. Three for 40s. So they have remade their interior offensive line now. Drew Dalman, Jonah Jackson, Joe Tooney.

Yep. To protect Caleb Williams. Drew Dalman is like, this specific type of center. Very safe. It's a small athletic undersized center, yes. And so obviously that's, that's, you know, that's fine with Ben Johnson, but he's different than Frank Ragnow.

No question. Right. And so you're going to lean on Ben Johnson's ability to say like, okay, we are going to lean into what each of these guys' skill sets are. Joe Tuny, undersized, technically savvy, like not overly powerful or athletic of like good enough across the board. Yeah, that's two sort of undersizedish guys in the interior. Usually you want just one.

Right. Jonah Jackson, big, powerful malling type. And then you've got Dahlman in the middle of that. So yeah, but that's completely redoing that. on three. Okay. And the other big one here. Okay.

Braxton Berrios. For one, for two. Okay. I thought Baris was a possibility for the Eagles if they let Britain Covey go. Okay. Just does so that they, you know, don't have to rely on Cooper deGene as the punt return. That did make it into Quakotology, though. Did not make it into Quacketology.

No. Are you upset that Macatology is no longer? You know what? I never really thought it was going to happen. Really? I just, because the Chargers have so much money. And Bosa, they let go Bosa. Right.

It felt odd to me that they would let both go. Right. But, you know, I also think that the Eagles would have definitely been interested if he made it all the way to noon. Are you rabid-eared-earsed up for any specific position, Eagles-wise today? Well, good question. Julia, are our graphics ready? Okay.

Okay. We have, I have, we have three positions and then all of offense. So let's start with the edge. because I do think probably if I had to pick if you told me the Eagles are going to sign one player in the next 48 hours

at more than $5 million a year my guess would be Edd. Edge Rush, I agree. I think it makes the most sense. You've got Nolan Smith. You've got Jalick's Hunt. Right now you don't have anything else. Brandon Graham could potentially return.

You have Bryce off in the building for now. I think it's more likely than not that he stays, but still they can't rely on him. Right. And those are all you know, Nolan Smith

and Bryce Rice off are similar size-ish. Yeah. Nolan Smith plays like a, like one of the most physical guys in football, but there's a case to be made that that invites injury a little bit. Right. And you need depth there. And he was banged up last year.

He's banged up in camp. Like that's, it's becoming a recurring team. He's a little bit. Yep. Just part of the body in the way that he plays. Yep. And this is a place where there are plenty of mercenary type guys available.

And a couple young players. So I have 10 edges here for us to monitor. Let's check out the edge. guys. Now the top of that list. Yep. Okay, look at you. Editing on the fly. Hassan Reddick out.

Asan Reddick is gone. Aziz O'Jolari at the top. To me, Aziz O'Jolari is the guy. If they're going to make some kind of surprising, long-term investment, he would be the one. Fits the profile from Georgia. Yeah, they've got all this touch points,

the Georgia stuff. They have seen him. Yep. I think he's a good player. I agree, too. I agree. I know you liked him a lot coming out. I was upset's a strong word, but I was pro Aziz O'Gelari over the land of Dickerson

pick back in that the time. Yes. And I think it's a, it's a good compliment to the things that they have here. Yes. That would be to me if they're going to make a signing today, like a young player, he would make sense. From that list, I would agree with you. Malcolm Coots from the Las Vegas Raiders, a very, very good third year in 2020, then missed all of last season with an injury.

I could see the Eagles this like monitoring what what the market is and maybe maybe pouncing but something tells me he would get he would get more somewhere else I could be wrong about that I mean coming off the injury because he didn't play it down this year got hurt last summer um is he a guy who could just get a one year prove a deal off the injury sure maybe very possible and also he would view that as a chance to get a big deal next year yep or this could be a chance where you know listen the Eagles prefer to not have to pay at the people of a guy's value. This could be someone who they think,

you know, you're getting a chance to just get a good deal on. Right. After that, you go Chase Young, who to me, I don't view as a match

for the Eagles. I think, for a couple reasons. One, the style of player that he is. Yep. I also think, I think you could overrate this stuff,

but I think the things that they think about the type of fit, he would be in the locker room. I think they're not interested. Yeah. To a certain degree. I would agree.

We talked about Joe Trianchoianka from the Bucks. This would be kind of a, the kind of signing where you could still draft over this player, right, but you could line up tomorrow and play. He can do a couple different roles, good early down player who hasn't really developed a pass rush juice that you were hoping for when he was drafted in the first two rounds,

but maybe you get him in the Jeremiah Washburn development program and you can get a little more out of it. Right. Yeah, and I think, and we'll say the same thing about Anthony Nelson, but both guys, very experienced dropping back and reverse.

Like I do a lot of the different things that Vic Fangio wants schematically from those guys on the edge. Yes. Anthony Nelson, I like. Yes. You professed your love for him last week on Quakotology. Yeah, listen, I'm am a married man, but were I not, Anthony Nelson would be intriguing to you.

Have your hand. Okay. Yeah, he moves so well for how big he is, can, you know, was asked to do a lot in coverage. I had some really good rushes against Jordan Mila last year. Right. I think probably a little more pass rush juice than try on right now,

but maybe not as good against the run. It's probably fair. It's probably fair. I obviously looked, try on Cheyanka, a little more athletically gifted, a little bit younger. Younger, yeah.

DeMarcus Lawrence, 33 years old, coming off of Liz Frank, you know. Former cowboy. The cowboy stink is worse. Yeah. It's probably of the three teams

in the division, the egos have had the least success. Correct. Bring it in Cowboys. I think, yeah, that's unlikely. Matthew Judon, 33 years old.

His numbers, his efficiency numbers really dropped off last year. But if you're thinking about, you know, who can play the Brandon Graham role of 10, 15 snaps a game and give you some juice as a power rusher. Yep. Then that could make some sense. Yeah, his eyes. He got traded for a third round pick, you know, eight months ago.

Yeah. So there's at least one team viewed him as valuable, but the numbers were not very good this year in Atlanta. Two more here. Dante Fowler, yep. who, as I wrote in the write-up for the free agency preview, if you had told me Dante Fowler was 26 years old,

I would believe you. If you told me that he was 35 years old, I would believe you. I feel like Dante Fowler to me could have been, I have no sense of time when it comes to Dante Fowler. He's been all over the league. You know, is he a four-year veteran or a 15-year veteran? I don't know. He had a very good year last year.

Yeah, and honestly, he's been really good in that role for Dan Quinn. It would surprise me that Washington would let him go just because he's been so good for Dan Quinn over the last few years in Dallas and then last year in Washington. And then finally, Joe Osai from the Cincinnati Bengals. If you're looking for a guy who could be better on the second contract than the first contract, he's only 25 years old. His past rush numbers are actually quite good on a, how often did he hit the quarterback basis in 2004 for the Bengals and that team doesn't pay people. So that explains why he's on the market.

Correct. I think that he's a player that fits the profile in terms of like young, can do a little bit of everything. Best football may be ahead of them. As you mentioned, like the organizational malpractice might be a little bit of a strong word, but you know, just a good team, a good organization probably doesn't let him get through the cracks. I do think you can question whether or not, you know, he's a he's that great of a player. That defense struggled in a big way this past year. but if you're bringing them in to be a rotational piece, I think you could do worse. I see,

now here's the thing that's going on with Twitter right now. I'm getting some alerts. Right. I can't open Twitter. So I see the alert from Adam Schechter that B.J. Hill has signed a three-year deal with, but I can't find out who. Beautiful. What a country.

What a world we live in. Let me open up Blue Ski. BJ Hill. B.J. Hill is a solid, you know, gap shooting defensive tackle. Let's see. I got nothing to, I'm going to rap sheets.

It's like the blue sky. Bengals. Back to Cincinnati. Back to Cincinnati. I think I should leave my BJ Hill jokes for later. It's big of you. Yeah, maybe that's an hour two.

When Zach comes in, that's an hour to conversation. Yeah. Stay tuned. Remind me in the chat at let's call it 223. If somebody, if somebody reminds me at 2.23 sets an alarm. I will make Zach uncomfortable with a BJ Hill joke.

But here's the problem. Here's what's going to happen on Blue Sky. There's a huge crowd. Apparently like users are like flocking. Right. Now that's going to crash. Blue sky's going to crash at some point this afternoon. Yeah.

That's going to be good. That's exciting. We'll be back to 2007. Yeah. Zach's on his way, by the way. Zach is on his way. I wonder what he's going to say from the Seigman Parket Press conference.

Yeah, like I said, the timing I don't think it was by accident there. There's going to be a lot of buildup for this. I don't even really have a BJ Hill joke cooked. It's just. You've got some time, better think of it during an ad break or something. All right.

How about you? What do you think, if the Eagles, add somebody. Do you think it will be edge? I think it's edge. That would be the spot. I mean, the other, the other player, like, Dremont Jones would be the other one that would make some sense, right? And that, you know, he's got experience with Clinton Hurt. He's got experience with Vic Fangio, had his best year under Vic Fangio. You lose Milton Williams. You want somebody that has that inside, outside flexibility, which that's what he brings. He played off the edge last year,

or the last two years for Seattle. I think that that would be the other one to look at. I think that would make some sense. It doesn't, doesn't, doesn't, hurt you in the compact game. I think it checks a lot of boxes. Javon Kinlaw has signed a deal. You want to guess. Okay. This one you could figure out.

Okay. I could figure out, which means that it's someone where he's got some familiarity. Did he go to the Atlanta Falcons? No. Didn't follow Jeff Oldberg there. Okay.

Didn't go back to San Francisco. No. No. But. Okay. but he's somewhere else in the NFC West. No. Okay.

But someone who left San Francisco to run a team. Oh, you're going to the New Orleans Saints. Oh, to run a team. And just released their long-down defensive tackle. Yes. Adam Peters. Yes. Very nice.

Gave on Kimler to the commanders for. I was a new deal. This is beautiful. It's too long. The tweet is too long. Let me see if I can find someone here. Kenla had a productive year with the Jets last year and did okay. Yeah, nothing in terms of contract details out yet.

We can take a look at the list of the top defensive tackles still available. We want to do that, Julia. Oh. Well, you got a big one? He got three years for $45 million. Man. Wow. Yeah.

Washington's got a lot of money. Washington's got a lot of money. but why they just spent a second round pick on on uh johnny uh newton johnny newton last year you got all the money to pain you just moved on from the allen hmm curious interesting all right let's take a look at those defensive tackles okay i think we start with yeah 345 for 30 guaranteed uh okay draymond jones now you'll see the stars there for draymond jones and great Jared. That means that those guys were released by their former teams. They're street free agents, which means, importantly, that they do not qualify for the compensatory pick formula. If you

are just joining us and want to know what that means, good question. Jonathan Allen on there as well. Yep. Listen, the Eagles are most likely going to play this comp pick game. And how it works is like the amount of money a player signs for with a formula also involving how many snaps. they play. If you have more outlay than inlay, you're going to get picks in the 2026 draft depending on the prices of those. And so you expect that Milton Williams is going to probably qualify for that third, fourth round, that top tier, because he's probably going to make $23 million a year, something like that, right? So the Eagles are counting on that. Josh Schwett is also going to make a high qualifying number. Mackay Beckton might sign.

one, that's a fifth or sixth round pick. There's a possibility that even like Isaiah Rogers is signing a deal on the very low end. And so they can sign one guy or two guys, but if they sign someone who cancels out one of them, Milton Williams or Josh Sweat deals, that's less likely because I think they want those picks next year, not just so they could use them next year, but so that maybe then they could trade the third round pick they already own in the summer. Yep. If it comes to addressing a roster need, that's what they're.

they did with John Dotson this year. They like to have those baked in in their coffer. So, Ramon Jones does not qualify, has experience with Big Fanjo. That will make him a little bit more attractive than a player like Levi on Wozareke, who is younger and maybe more ascending,

but is going to cost real money and would cancel that out. Yeah, I'm honestly surprised that a guy like Onzareke was able to hit the market, a really disruptive player. They had that they essentially had to pick between him and Alain McNeil, knowing that they had some other young contracts coming up on the books coming down the pipe here. My guess is that Onzerike would go up to New York and play for Aaron Glenn and for the Jets, especially Kinlaw and Aladhor for three for 45.

But I think when you're looking at Onzareke, Sharshan Wharton as a player that has kind of caught my eye, really came. I was a former undrafted free agent and just saw his effectiveness increase every single year for Kansas City, became a starter and a full-time player for them this year. he's another one that I'm a little surprised his at the market. He's a little bit older but I think when you're looking at Wharton, he would be another player that I would expect would have

a nice market. I would think so too. Javon Hargrave is on there. He should actually have the star as well. He would not qualify. He's 32. Probably a cautionary tale about paying a lot of money for a 30-year-old. Third contract, yeah. Third contract, free agent. But if he goes could get him on their fourth contract,

he would make a little bit of sense. BJ Hill just signed. Yvon Kinla just signed. Puna Ford. I love that body type for a defensive tackle. You know I love a short squatty guy. Had some pass rush juice this year. And then Bobby Brown the third from the Rams,

25 years old, a pure nose tackle, does not play on third down. And that brings to mind the conversation, Fran, about the 50-year option for Jordan Davis, which I think is going to be an interesting thing for the Eagles this year. And I was of the opinion that there's no chance they would do it.

Well, not that they would, but that they should. Right. Just because, you know, he plays 30, 35% of the snaps. Yeah. And the fifth year options like 13 million, that's, that's too much. But then you see like DJ Jones, who's a similar type player for the Broncos, he's signing a deal that's, that's worth that amount of money.

I'm, I'm starting to wonder if the Eagles will exercise his fifth year option. Yeah. My guess, my guess is they don't would be my guess. I still think it's less likely. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I see what you're saying.

And that's, that's what's interesting. I mean, like, again, like, the. Kinlaw like making 15 a year. Yeah. The thing is is that like I want to look at like snap count percentages like those guys. DJ Jones was low like DJ Jones is like a Jordan Davis level I think. Yeah. The thing is is that DJ Jones is like he's an awesome run defender. Yeah. Jordan Davis has awesome snaps as a run defender but not as consistently dominant like to the way that he should be. I still think like he can be that but you're still we're still waiting for that. Right. And I think that's the, that's the difference. And you might also look at that as saying like, okay, if we,

we don't give him that option. Is that a motivating factor? Is that like a, you know, like a, right, something to kind of kick him into gear. That might be something they might be willing to try as well. Like, hey, we want to pay you this, but we want you to prove it to us too. Yeah, you got to prove it.

Yeah. I think it's interesting. And it's also like their internal evaluation of Jordan Davis one year with getting to play for Vic Fangio when, listen, we thought in the summer he was, his snaps were going to rise. Yeah. And they didn't.

Right. Which probably tells you that Vic didn't. think that he was ready to make that jump. We'll tell you, like, they will tell us a lot by what they do in for agency and the draft if they don't add guys of significance. And they're happy to go with Ajima on third down and Jordan Davis playing a little bit more. That will be interesting.

We saw a little more pass-Rust juice from him in the playoffs. You know, he had a sack in the Super Bowl and another one earlier on the playoffs. Right. But, you know, it's been three years. Defensive tackles take a long time. Yeah. Can take a long time. I'm, like, if you could, if I could ask the Eagles about what they think of a player on their roster, I think that would be the most interesting answer to me.

Like what they truly think about a player. Yeah. That's what's interesting about it is that it's kind of what we talked about a little bit in that. I think there are still, there are still believers in the building about Jordan Davis. Is the upside ever going to reach the 14th overall pick price tag? Probably not. And that's okay. That's not important right now.

Exactly. That ship has sailed from a like you already spent that price. He's in the building. He's been in there for three years now. But I still think that there's the hope that he can turn into like an every down player and a dominant run defender and maybe a guy that you still ideally take off the field and pass downs. But he can still give you enough there to warrant being out there for three downs. So yeah. I mean, I could I could absolutely, even if they don't pick up the option, I still think it's very much within the realm of possibility that he ends up resigning on a two.

or three-year deal and like a solid contract and he's, and he's extended. I don't think that then pulling, not giving him the option means, oh, yeah, he's going to be out the door after next year. I agree with that. I think, like, the question is, would you, if you were, you know, let's say it was Madden and you can, like, work on Jordan Davis's skills

and improve him in one area. Would you want him to bring more pass rush juice so he can stay on the field on third down? Or would you rather he could become like a truly dominant first and second down player? Good question. I think the latter. Yeah, I think so.

Because I think it's more, it's more replaceable to be able to find a guy who can bring third down juice. Right. Than a guy who can truly dominate on first and second. If you're going to say that he's going to be a consistently dominant force inside, but you're still going to take him off the field on third down. I would say, give me that. Yeah. Yeah, I like that.

That's a good question. What do you think Zach would say to that answer? I don't know. We'll ask him. We'll ask him in 20 minutes. The Chiefs adding one of my favorite guys, Elijah Mitchell. so they're just adding all kinds of former Niners. They're running back.

And then it looks like the Patriots with all this money to spend and nobody to take their money. Okay. Are instead giving it to Bobby Spills, the Las Vegas Raiders linebacker, Robert Spillane. Yeah, nice player, run and chase player, a little bit of an undersized linebacker. I'll be interested in what the compensation is there.

But I could see that fit in that defense out there with Mike Brable. hopefully they can get Christian Barmore back healthy. He missed this year due to the blood clot situation that he had in his legs. But I think when you're looking at the way that that defense is built, having a run and chase player like Spillane, who's a solid player, I don't think that's a bad deal. Would you think a Nick Bolton contract came in just under Bond? I think that's probably a good business.

I mean, he's not as good of a player, but he's like the next level. He's a very good player. And he's younger. I think that seemed like a good deal. I was fine with that. Yeah, I was fine with that contract. And,

you know, like he's in that same block as Bonn. And I'm fine with that. You loved him coming out. Yes. So I, and see,

like, see, that's a good example what we were talking about earlier. Because everyone's like, oh, it's a linebacker. Like,

you don't, yeah. Like, like, like, if he's that player, he is worth a top 30 pick. Yeah,

that's, that's, that's exactly what we were talking about earlier. Yeah. Interesting. He's a good player. I think we had another super chat that we missed before.

Jake Beckman says tired Makeout Mountain wired BJ Hill That's it And that's the joke You got it Yeah I mean It's like one of it's like the kind of

Fairy tale you might hear about In 8th grade or something like that BJ Hill Yeah There's this place You're not going to believe what they have there Okay How about corned

Okay. Which is another very interesting situation for the Eagles. The Jaguars are signing Jordan Lewis, according to Jaguars. He becomes the NFL's highest paid nickel corner. Wow. Okay. Man. Congratulations to the Jaguars for another losing season.

Cornerback is very interesting. So internally, I think the Eagles feel very good about Kele Ringgo. I think they would like Keelieringo to be their third starting corner next season. but they have to be prepared for the possibility that he doesn't earn that job or somebody gets injured and they need another guy. I think Isaiah Rogers would make a lot of sense to bring back but if his market outpaces what the Eagles think he's worth

and even if he becomes a compick qualifier, maybe you can sign somebody for less money who doesn't qualify and can play that same role. I think the Eagles would like to bring in someone who is like a low bar for Kili Ringo to Clear. Do you treat it like you treated Tyler Steen last year? something like that. As someone, I think that's right.

You hope Ringo is able to compete and potentially win that job, but if not, that's okay. Right. The flip side is, if they're, if the goes are going to make a splash, this is a place where it would make

a little bit of sense. If it's a short-term deal, you know, a Charverro's word type. Yep. Who can, who comes in on a one year like $15 million deal.

He's just here for one year. Kili Ringo continues to grow. Yep. I mean, remember, on Mitchell. Right. I think it's a place where it would make a little bit of sense,

especially because this class of free agents, corner is actually one of the few spots where there is a little bit of depth. So it's a possibility. I think this is one where, like the Eagles are not going to sign someone today at Corner, I guess. Yeah, right. But if the market lingers and by the end of the week,

there's someone available for a reasonable price. They could value shop here. And I think we do have a list of the top 10 corners on the market for the Eagles, potentially. and it starts with, oh, DJ Reed, 28 years old.

He's probably going to get a decent contract from my next. Yeah, like these guys, I think, are going to be out of their price range. Charverius Ward, who we mentioned,

only because he's a little older, I think could make a little bit of sense and take a one-year deal. Carlton Davis, not a very good fit, man-heavy guy, right? Yeah,

and we'll get a bigger deal. Yep. 28 years old. Byron Murphy, 27, Pro Bowl season. Inside, outside,

versatility. Eagles did not have a lot of interest in him when he, he was a free agent a couple years ago. Right. My guess is he gets you get paid somewhere else. Assonte Samuel Jr. is interesting to me at 25 years old, a young player. Yep.

And, you know, wouldn't make sense in zone. Has those instincts. I don't know if he's physical enough for Vic Fangio. I would agree. I'd be interested to say, you know, he is a pure off coverage corner. The Eagles, the second half of the year as that defense took off, really wanted those guys to play up close to the line of scrimmage. do you like him better inside or outside?

These are all questions you'd have to ask with Asante Samuel Jr. The story would be fun. Yes, of course. Paulson Adibo. I love Adibo. And I think could make some sense, but probably he's going to get more money than that. Coming off a nasty broken femur,

which Zach told us is no big deal at all. Christian Fulton, 26 years old, had a bounce back season with the Chargers. Rasul Douglas, 30 years old, old friend. Actually, probably a good scheme fit. I was going to say that probably fits your bar, right? Yeah, that's sort of like the almost. almost the perfect type signing.

Benjamin, as I told us, not a great scheme fit. And then Eric Stokes. I think I would put him in the same bucket as St. Juice. Yes, and as the Georgia background. All right. We're going to take a quick break so that we can bring in a friend

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Excited to be here on the day of the old. open negotiation period, the tampering period, however you want to frame it. This is one of the fun days on the NFL calendar. Now where else I'd rather be than with you guys. Well, I mean, you literally didn't join the first 50 minutes of the show because you were somewhere else you wanted to be. Oh, well, nowhere else I'd rather spend the next two hours than with you guys. Now that the Seguan-Barkley Press conference is done. Now there's nowhere else you'd rather be. It was nice spending time with Seekwon today. Tell us what happened. Yeah, so Seekwant-Barkley, who signed his contract,

spoke quite a bit about his legacy here in Philly, why he wanted to be here. He said this in an interview before, but he said he never said this with us, the assembled Philly media, that he's a big fan of Marshall Falk. He talks to Marshall Falk quite a bit. And when you think of Marshall Falk,

you think of the Rams. You don't necessarily think of the Colts. And so he kind of used that parallel for his career. I asked him about this past year in his life, like the, it's kind of like this, this big parallel that a year ago on tampering period he signs or he agrees to a deal and now here he is it a year later agreeing to a record breaking deal and kind of the perspective of this past year in his life. And he said it's not just this past year.

What he thinks about really, it goes back to when he was with the Giants and he did not accept the franchise tag. And he thinks about that. He thinks about gambling on the, He thinks about coming here last year, thinks about gambling on himself. He thinks about all that happened during this past year. And he says when he reflects on this year and the big lesson he'll have for like the rest of his life and what he'll tell his kids is about is about betting on yourself. And that's kind of what he thinks about from this past year.

He was, he asked how this deal came about and he said, you know, he wasn't upset when the Eagles came to him with it, right? He was happy with it. It kind of shows what the Eagles think. It's a great organization, top to bottom. It's where he wants to be. I asked him about the running back market, kind of what this means for the running back market. And he says that he doesn't understand why running backs prices can't keep going up

like every other position. And that he heard from a lot of running back since then. He said the guy who was most excited was James Cook, the one who reached out was James Cook. But he said, you know, Beijon Robinson and Jamar. R. Gibbs. He's hoping they break this, this mark. He spoke about, like I said, his, his legacy in Philly. He spoke about what this offseason is going to be like and kind of different ways he can take care of himself and things that he can improve on from last year.

He said he can't hold the ball on his left arm as much as he did last year. Why? Probably it's more prone to getting, I guess if he's running to his right and it's in the left, it's more prone to getting stripped. Okay. He mentioned his left arm, so I imagine that's the inside arm. You're supposed to hold it on your outside arm, correct? Yeah, correct.

Yeah. So he mentioned he holds it in his left arm too much. Okay. I would have to go back and I guess track how many times he held him. Well, it's interesting, he said the left and not the inside. Yeah, he said his left arm. Right. It's if he has an injury there or something like that.

And then he spoke about, I asked him about getting a chance to enjoy the Super Bowl and he said there's a lot of footage out there of him enjoying it. Like everyone saw that he kind of let loose. And he talked about the ring ceremony and going to the White House and those are like the next things where you really feel like you're being recognized as a Super Bowl champ. But he said he always envisioned it. And so he doesn't want to say it's not what he expected, but he always envisioned winning the Super Bowl. He said the only thing in his life that kind of exceeded what he thought in his life, it would be. was parent was having a baby.

He said because when he was growing up, he didn't think about like a baby coming out. This is his words. Wait, does he mean, is he talking about being a father or the physical thing of actual birth? The day you become a father.

Experiencing childbirth. Okay. Yeah. He says that's not something that he had thought about when he was a kid. But like that's the thing that. I can't tell still if you're talking about just getting a baby or like the actual

like witnessing the act of the. miracle of childbirth. Witnessing the miracle of childbirth. Oh, okay. Yeah. Like being there to become a father, right? What is what he was referring to? That, like, that feeling exceeded his expectation.

Okay, so the feeling, not the, I'm still, I'm still, am I not explaining it correctly? Yeah, I still can't understand which, which one you mean. Like the overwhelming emotion or like, oh my God. Yeah, the, I interpret it as the emotion, not like, I can't imagine the spectacle or. Well, that's why I thought he meant. He meant the way he felt when it was happening. Okay. Yeah.

That's how I interpreted it. Okay. And it was a very, I think I've told this story several times before, but when we, before, before our first child was born, you know, you did the full, like childbirth class. It's like a three-hour deal on a weekend, whatever. And then, you know, they show, they show the video that's like the full, this is exactly what it looks like, you know the full childhood video childbirth video uh and and me and richel were sitting in the back and the video's over and the woman's like all right we're going to break for lunch now and

we just started cracking up like this was the pre-lunch this was the appetizer like all right we had a guy at ours uh nearly who's only passed out in the back uh in the back row really i was like man there you're trying for a rough go but during um the child birth like not the class but like when we're in the hospital. The, I don't know if it was the doctor or the person administering the Medicaid, whatever it may be, he asks me an eagle's question.

And Emily, it's like, do you mind? I'm completely on Emily's side. Yeah, 100% ridiculous. That guy, like, that's going to be a violation of the doctor's code. We're just kind of like waiting there. Focus on your job, dude.

Paulson Adibo is going to the New York Giants for three years, 30 million with 20 million fully guaranteed and 12 and a half this year. I think it's got the ability to be a good signing for them. Adibo is a really competitive corner, really good ball skills. They put a lot on those corners in New Orleans in that previous scheme under Dennis Allen, a lot of man coverage, a lot of single coverage. Deonté Banks is a volatile player. I think that Adibo could go in there and be their number one corner. Yeah, but also not a guy you're scared of. No, but I think he's a good player.

He's a good, a good, a good bet to spend your money out. It's a good corner. By the way, Jimmy G. Got $11 million for his one year. Backup quarterback, man. That's a thing. Like, you know, we can make fun of Kenny Pickett. But that's why he might have a trade market because you just talk about,

you do talk about the surplus value there, one year of a backup quarterback making less than a million dollars. Yep. Or just over it. He's making like one and a half this year because it's a first round pick. Yeah. All right. Yeah, that's like an $8 million surplus probably. The Rams want to make sure that that scout team offense is well compensated.

Yeah. Between Garapolo and Tutu Atwell. Yeah. Because I kept reading that with the Devante Adams deal, they want to go back to playing more 12 personnel like Nats. Right. Oh, that's funny. But they just gave 2-2. Yeah.

10 million. So we'll see. More like 10-10. More like 10-10. Yeah. I wasn't able, I received some alerts. I was on blue sky, but I was listening actually on the way over here to the beginning of the, I started from the beginning. Okay.

So there's, there was like a 25 minute block that I've missed. Got it. Did you get to the BJ Hill conversation? I did not get to the BJ Hill conversation. We'll recap that later. Okay. You see Kenlaw? I did.

I did. Adam Peters loves his former draft picks. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody in the chat said, uh, who funga to the Broncos. I haven't seen that anywhere else.

That was being reported by somebody out in Denver, uh, as like close. Okay, I saw also Aaron Rogers close potentially with the Steelers. That was Jared Doolock reporting that. Benjamin Albright. Is there, yeah, from an Eagles perspective, who of the available quarterback options would, I mean, none of them will scare you, but would scare you the most for the Giants to add.

I mean, it's really Rogers or Wilson, right? I mean, I guess Donald hasn't signed. I can't have, I, honestly, I think it's the, Fran Duffy mock draft scenario. It's trading for Cam Ward. That would be the most scary thing. And not to say that I'll defer to Fran in terms of the Cam Ward evaluation, but I think that's the move that's like, all right,

we're ready to get our franchise quarterback, right, as opposed to kind of this continued Band-Aid solution. And honestly, I think it's very possible they do both, where they sign one of these two vets and then still trade up to number one, because I think that insulates yourself from a if you are Joe Shane and Brian Dable of like hey we're not just throwing a band-aid on it stick with us we've got you covered we got the future and we've got the now like I think that that's very possible they try and go both routes I just think if you trade for the number one pick you start the number one pick from my perspective yeah but I mean it depends like anything it depends who else they have maybe you think the guy needs to develop right do you think like do you think Cam Ward would be ready to start? week one um i mean everything i've heard if like in terms of like off the fields you know like he's gonna he's gonna be able to jump in and compete right away uh you know that he's got everything that obviously like the physical tools are all there um but in terms of like coming in and just like hitting the

ground running and starting that's the question with any rookie quarterback is like okay are they're going to be able to handle really what do we got we got we have the big one milton milton williams uh according to chris oh to the carolina pantherina do we have do we have the term Good for milk. Okay. I also, less important, I see Dan Moore as going to the Tennessee Titans. Four years, $82 million from 50 guaranteed for Dan Moore, who gave up the most sacks in the NFL the last year and the last two years combined.

Good for the Titans. Yeah, Schaefter said he's finalizing deal to Panthers. Milton Williams. No numbers yet, though. By the way, did you see, Zach, as you were scrolling Instagram, did you see where Milton Williams and Josh Schwett were this weekend? last weekend as teammates, as they both prepared to get the bag. Did you see where they were?

I did not. Were they at the Philly show? No. Okay. Where were they? They were in Columbia with Matt Leo and Tehran Jackson at Patrick Johnson's wedding. That's awesome. Like a Madlebs. Isn't that cool? I respect that.

Isn't that cool? What a good group. In Columbia, the country? Yes, they did not get married at the universe. I didn't know Columbia, South Carolina. Okay. Yeah, good for them. That's awesome.

By the way, speaking of Eagles, I'll say this, they give some color. Well, we should talk about Milton Williams, but to give some color from the Sequin Barkley Press Conference, big contingent that was there, including Nick Siriani, Jamal Singleton, Bobby King, Michael Clay, Greg Austin, the new, we're assuming an offensive line coach, AJ Brown was there. Okay. I saw Brandon Graham outside, getting, you know, loading some stuff into his car. So, yeah, so it was a busy day there.

But a big turnout from people who are in town at the press conference today. Okay. So Milton Williams, this was obviously expected. The money is going to be very interesting. How do you look back on Milton Williams' career, friend? I mean, here's a, look, it's, it's, it's, it's, by the fact that I was I was really, really excited about that acquisition for the Eagles. I was really high on Milton coming out of Louisiana Tech.

I thought they got a steal in the third round. I think in a, we'll say nine out of other, nine out of ten other realities, like past that things could have gone for the Eagles. Milton Williams is resigning here in Philadelphia on a big money deal, and he's a guy that they try and build around. But I think the fact that you added certainly a player like a Jalen Carter's caliber, but then some of the other talent they've added to that room, I think it just made it more difficult.

You know, we've talked about over the last year, how we were surprised that they hadn't redone yet. And I think it was always kind of building to this point that he was just someone that was just likely just going to get kind of lost in the shuffle there because of the talent in that room. But this is a player that, and it's kind of been under discussed because everyone talks about pass rush and his ability to disrupt and, you know, that we saw the Super Bowl and all that. He's an awesome run defender. He's a really, really violent player at the point of attack. You know, that was when he first started cracking into the lineup, that's where he was

shining was his ability to make plays at the point of attack, hold his ground, get off blocks, find the football. They're going back to Jonathan Gannon's year in Philadelphia, his rookie year. You go back to that scheme between Sean Desai and Matt Patricia last year, and then even this year, Milton Williams can do everything. I think it's a good bet by Carolina to give him that money. Yeah, good for Milton Williams. Evereaux, their defense coordinator is a disciple of the tangio, so there's not as much of a scheme

projection. He joins a defensive line with Derek Brown, who they just gave major money to a year ago. So I don't want to say Derek Brown's a J-Law and Carter type player, but he is one of the top defensive linemen in the league. So plays next to or plays on the same line as a player like that. This is an interesting signing. I look back at the Milton Williams period, a good draft pick. They extracted a lot from him. I always thought he was going to sign. I always thought he was can sign elsewhere for the reason that I thought given what they were going to pay Jellon Carter, given the investments they've made. I thought they, it was a down year, I think in 2023, relatively speaking,

cross the board for the defense, right? But really strong year this year. And he goes to a place now where I imagine he'll play a lot more than the way he played in Philly. I mean, but it, we should say that this is atypical for the Eagles to let a good homegrown drafted player at 26 years old along the line. a scrimmage leave. We have also said, like, it is rare that the Eagles regret letting a guy go in free agency,

probably not since Jordan Hicks. And even that, it is still a linebacker. It's not a player at a position of organizational importance. So this is a bit from a big picture standpoint, surprising. But from the situation once the season started and he wasn't resigned, it's not surprising. Go ahead. Yeah. I mean, you and I spoke about this a lot last offseason.

And the sense I was getting, and I can't speak for Milton. was that he wanted this to get the free agency, right? Like, I don't know what the negotiation was before the season. I know the Eagles didn't want to do any in-season contracts this year, but even going into the season, the sense I was getting was that Milton Williams wanted to hit the open market, wanted that opportunity to kind of go somewhere else to be like the guy now. I don't know if he's the guy in Carolina, but maybe more of the guy than he was in Philly. What do you guys, let's play closest to the pin on the money, which has not come out yet.

on Milton Williams. What do you think? I'm going to say, we're looking at other contracts real quick. I'll jump in. Go ahead, go for it. I'll go four for 905. 4105.

4105. Wow, okay. I'll split the difference. I'll go 495. Okay. I mean, Dan Moore's getting $21 million a year. I know.

And the Panthers had money to spend. Yeah. They just signed J.C. Horn today. They gave him a major contract extension. Huge. one good year he's got he's a good corner but he's another one it's like just struggled to stay healthy it's just not on the field enough to that that that number surprised me from a from a panther's perspective like the investment in milton williams is interesting to me

because i i could i could be convinced on both sides yeah on one on the one hand you're not going to get a lot of guys in for agency who are this young right uh and have a chance to really be ascending in their career he's coming off the best year if it's his career, both in terms of, you know, sacks and quarterback hit rate and also, as you talked about, he's very good against the run. This could be a guy who is going to be a good investment. On the other side, man, like, do I want to pay $25 billion a year to a guy who was, as has been framed, benefiting from double teams as opposed to being the one who was double teamed, like how much of that production was because he was playing next to Jalen Carter who was taking so much

attention from opposing defenses. Yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying. Every year, every year we do the, when we do this show, I recite the Andrew Friedman line. He's the president of baseball operations of the Los Angeles Dodgers. And he says, if you think rationally about every free agent, you'll finish second in every free agent, right, for every free agent. The reality is that free agency itself, you're over, I don't want to say overpaying, but you're outbidding somebody else typically, right, especially the first day.

So you have to out, you're paying a premium because you're paying for a guy on the open market. But I hear what you're saying. I get the risk. I do think, though, if you have money, every team right now has money to spend. It's just a matter of how you're spending it, right? and they uh so for the panthers who have a quarterback on a rookie contract who don't have big money tied into some of these other you know they don't have big money tied into the left tackle although teller moton their right tackle makes good money um they there's a lot of positions

where other teams pay a premium where they're they're not paying a premium derrick brown jc horn are really they're high paid players and then and then teller moton so oh and then robert hunt as as as well but that's team that has that has money to spend And there was a thought going into this, you know, people that we respect, whether Shield Capadia, Greg Rosenthal, Jordan Rodriguez, or, you know, Mike Jones, are pointing to Milton Williams as the top free agent. So I don't know if Milton Williams is an A player. And I'm on record saying I don't like paying A money to B players.

But I think if you're paying money this free agency, this is the kind of guy who you're probably paying it too. And we have to see what the structure is, of course. Yeah. Quickly a couple other deals. Derek Barnett. So is him going back to the Texans on a one-year deal worth $5 million. And Carlton Davis, who we mentioned earlier, going to the New England Patriots.

They finally found someone to take their money. Three years, $60 million, $34.5 guaranteed. So are you expecting Morrow to become the, I don't want to say number two D tackle, but to step in for for milton or do you think they add someone into that milton williams role i mean the guy that i would expect would be draymond jones if they're if they're going to go outside i would imagine it's draymont um and then there's the rookie class too you know i would be another one just wouldn't rule that out especially with the depth of this class especially guys that i think fit a fangio scheme there are a number of players that i think

would fit that bill i mean i i have heard discussion behind the scenes of maybe they need give, this forces them to give Jordan Davis more playing time. The not view Jordan Davis as an early down player, but if you're of the opinion that Jordan Davis can have an effect in the passing game, this is your chance to give him that opportunity to make him a 50%, 55% snap player. Is that too ambitious? No, I don't think so. I think that, I mean, that's got to be the hope, though.

I both said it earlier that if there was one player, no, but it was like if there was one player that you could get their truth on from the people in the building truth serum to ask the organization or howie about one player in the team what what do you really think of this player to me like jordan davis is the most interesting answer that's a great one here's the other question we we we asked well before you joined zach if you were the eagles i guess yeah if you could say that next year jordan davis is going to improve in one of these two things he's either going to become playable on third down like he can be can be you can be on the field on third down as a pass rusher, or would you rather he gets even better as a run

defender and become a truly dominant run stuffer on first and second down? The first one, have more of an effect in the passing. I would take what he is as a run stuffer now and add the pass rush repertoire, then increase the run stuffing 15, 20%. I think we both went the other way. We both went the other way, but I don't think there's a wrong answer there. No, but that's, yeah. But what I would do, and I'm sorry, I didn't get.

get to this point when I was in the car, but you're having the conversation about the fifth year option. I would try to extend him. I don't know if I would pay him what the fifth year option guarantees, but I would say we like you. We'll give you money up front now for the next three years. But it's kind of a way to hedge your bet. It's something that teams do sometimes to these guys who they like,

but they're not ready to pay the fifth year option too. I think that's, yeah, I think that's, to me, that's the most likely outcome, in my opinion. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's interesting. How's everybody feeling about saying goodbye to Milton Williams? I mean, is it possible that for all the good he did in his first four years and getting the big play in the Super Bowl looking like one of the best players on the field,

getting that dunk, he's still going to be most remembered for the Tom Donahoe situation on draft night? Among like the, I don't want to say the sickos, but like among the people who are really online. Yeah, yeah, probably so. I think Milton Williams is probably remembered. Look, I think Derek Burgess is the best comp here for Eagles fans. It's a long time ago. But I'm saying, but Derek Burgess was a third round pick who was the last probably really good player at a premium position who the rules let leave.

And he went on to have a solid career with the Raiders. But that's probably the best comp for the Milton Williams period. And for you, Milton Williams going to the Panthers makes sense because it's a chance for him to go play next to the only defensive tackle in the league better than dealing with a really good defensive line in in derrick brown yeah so i would imagine that if we got to do that as a three-handed draft this year yeah it's true the league-wide draft from every team right i mean i'm i'm i hope we can do that i don't know i'm kind of trying to figure out what our shows are going to be this summer with uh you know you know

you know bow is going to be with a newborn so i heard that part of the show right um so we might have have to kind of phone you in, maybe, to kind of give your picks. I mean, I think you could save that one. I'm back going to be gone all summer. Okay, okay. I'm just trying to be respectful of that. We could fit a couple of mailbags in. Mailbag month on PHOI.

Hey, it would get, it would get numbers. Our mailback show did great numbers. You just want to say that. We don't need to relitigate it. Yeah, let us know what you think in the chat about Milton Williams. Leave it. Do you think there's a chance they bring back sweat? Any chance?

I mean, I would never say never, but I think sweat's going to get paid. And I think the Eagles were prepared to move on from sweat. But if we were talking about someone like Khalil Mack, for instance, or Aziz Ojalari, two players that I think would make sense, you know, that would have made sense for the Eagles in Mack's case and still makes sense. You might say, is sweat, if is sweat and, you know, is sweat a better outcome there? I don't know the answer there.

Ojolari certainly younger. Leo Max certainly more distinguished. He's obviously not on the board anymore, but is sometimes keeping your own guy better than going out and bringing someone else in. We're over an hour in. Biggest winner so far for agency? Blue Sky.

Got to be Blue Sky, right? I would agree with that. I would agree with that. Here you go. From Ian Rappap Report on Blue Sky, Evan Ingram, formerly of the Jaguars, is visiting the Broncos. a free agent.

Oh, did we already get to that? No. I think it was from earlier today. Gotcha. Yeah, I don't have the chronological here. Well, go to the chronological. I'm sorry. Did we have this conversation on Twitter?

You were doing the, you were doing this. I'm not on blue sky that off the border. I'm sorry. I'm trying to do a show here. That would have pretty big. I'm looking at my spreadsheet. If Angram goes? Yeah, because a lot of people are giving a tight end to the Denver Broncos,

but I think he would be the perfect encapsulation. of the Joker that Sean Peyton consistently says that he wants in that offense. All right, let's run to the Super Chats. Dan Baxter, just giving us the money. We appreciate that, dirty Dan. Claude de Boussay says, climbing up on B.J. Hill, I can see the city lights. I appreciate that.

A.L. Sailor says, how likely that Dallas gets traded. Apologies, if you already discussed. And if he is, what about Juana Johnson? Zach, what is the latest on Dallas got it as you understand it? Yeah, I think you guys were explaining it well earlier, which is Dallas Goddor would want a new contract, I would imagine. That's certainly the sense I get. I think Dallas Goddard, it's known around the league, is very much available. This isn't a media fabrication.

Dallas Goddard's very much available. I don't think that the price for Dallas Goddard, by the way, would just be a draft pick this year. I think the Eagles, similar to Hassan Reddick, would be willing to kind of think down the line if it gets them a better comp. if it gets them better comp there. I think Dallas Goddard will probably, I think Dallas Goddard's side will see what the money is elsewhere because they kind of set the state. It's similar to Hassan Reddick, similar to Josh Sweat,

similar to Darius Slay a few years ago, which, and when I say Reddick and Sweat, I mean last year where they want to get more money, right? He wants term on his deal. I would imagine he is 30. He's better chance of getting a multi-year deal this off. season, the next off season, we see teams have money. We see this is not a robust tight end market.

So that's kind of the impetus for this. From the Eagles perspective, if you're not prepared to have a multi, if you're not prepared to give me a multi-year deal, you need some type of resolution here. I understand that the cap hit is burdensome, and it is especially burdensome. I do know one thing that the team thinks about is that, all right, if you take it on the chin now,

it clears your books for the following season. So let's say the Eagles are already looking ahead to the 2026 off season. They say this is either a more robust free agent market or they'll have more flexibility, more roster flexibility, I'm sorry, more roster flexibility, more cap flexibility. If Goddard's on this team this year and he leaves next season, they're going to take a cap hit then, right? Or they're going to take, there's going to be dead cat money then. If you let them go now, there's obviously more dead cat money and it eats into your cap space,

but then that clears the books for the following year. So it's similar to the Carson Wend's conversation from a few years ago in that the Eagles looked at it like, yeah, this is a big cap hit, but then you no longer have that obligation. So Dallas Goddard has void years on his deal. Whenever Dallas Goddard leaves, there would be a cap hit the Eagles would absorb. So it's a matter of absorbing it now or absorbing in the future. But I think that if Dallas Goddard can't get more money elsewhere,

it wouldn't surprise me. I don't want to say it wouldn't surprise me. I think a resolution, and I wrote about the stay on all p.hly.com, would be similar to the Josh Sweat situation last year, is to rework a one-year deal with guaranteed money, brings him down, it's essentially a pay cut, but he gets that guaranteed money, and he hits the market next year. But I think that only occurs if Goddard doesn't feel he can get more money elsewhere. I'm glad you mentioned that you can read that on all-P-H-L-Y.com. because we have a good deal going on right now as part of free agency, free agency frenzy limited time intro,

deductory offer $36 for the whole year. Usually it's $80. I mean, not only are you getting Zach's thoughts on free agency and all the coverage about what the Eagles are going to do, you get Zach, I mean, Fran's entire draft guide, which is, I mean, way more than the price of just the full year. Unbelievable, his insights and notes on every single, Well, almost every single player in the draft.

By the time we get there. You've also got the coverage of the flyers and the Sixers. Fantastic stuff. Good time to become a diehard. Is Idiot Sandwich says it's not a good deal. It's an amazing deal. Fantastic. Our friend Zach Rosenblatt up in New York says,

I've heard that there's increasing optimism that the jets will land. Justin Fields still work to be done. Always a shot of a surprise team swooping in or Pittsburgh changing course. I mean, down bad to be. Limited Supply, man

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like three other times today Okay Well I'm just telling the audience That's all Well they don't need to go on Twitter They have us That is true They do have us

Uh yeah Also so far No It's interesting that we Don't have reported numbers on Milton Williams All of it is

Is over $20 million A year which it's what we expected But how much over DJ aka Mr. Sandman says Vic Fangio expects production from his players.

He doesn't care that Jordan Davis was a first round pick. Jordan Davis needs to improve his endurance. I don't think that's unreasonable. That was a big talking point in the offseason. Obviously, Jalen Carter delivered on that front, played a ton of snaps. I don't know if Jordan Davis's endurance

was what was holding him back as opposed to just what he was bringing to the table on third down. But I think you're also right that you know, Vic Fangio is not the one anchored to his draft status. That's true. That's what he can help with.

And then Arthur Bowulf Smith says, need an offseason Barbie watch-along for the sickos. Zach, would you be willing to do that? A Barbie watch-along. Yeah. If it's good for our numbers, then sure. That's a baby. I think you brought up a really good point

that's worthwhile talking about today, where you said you used the term anchoring or anchor to Jordan Davis. And I think this is relevant for this conversation. Howie Roseman has been outspoken, certainly last year, but especially this year, about the need to turn over to younger players. Okay. Everyone here on this roster is a Howie Roseman draft pick. So at these positions where guys are leaving, let's say cornerback with Keely Ringo.

Okay. Let's say edge rusher with J.OX Hunt. Let's say, you know, at right guard with Tyler Steen, defensive tackle with Moro Ojima. All these players, Howie Roseman is invested in their success. And I don't think it's to say that Hallie Roseman has a blind spot to them. But I do think that part of the shift in what the Eagles have done here in recent years, and I've spoken, this isn't a secret, this is something that I've spoken to Howie about, is this the Eagles are playing less in the middle class than they've ever had.

That they have more expensive players than they ever have a disproportionate amount of, like, top of the league paid players than ever before. And so the other side of that is you're really relying on players. players on their rookie deals. And there are certain spots where Howie would rather see a young guy get the opportunity than a $6 million free agent. Now, that's not to say, I think he's okay with the $1.5 million guy, the $3 million guy, right, as almost insurance.

But I think he's less interested in signing that $8 to $10 million player to start over Keele Ringo, to start over Tyler Steen, to start over Moroogima. Am I wrong? No, and I think that you're finding, it's not even just the rookie contracts. Look, you're not going to find, you know, a player off the scrap heap to be the defense player of the year like he did last year. It's very unlikely that you find this year, Zach Bond, but trying to find players on the margins that you can get surplus value out of from a contract standpoint.

I remember there's a conversation I had with Tony Dungey, this was years ago, about when he first got to Indianapolis and working with Bill Pollian, and they said, look, we already have the offense set. You had Peyton Manning, you had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark. I think at that point, it was Edron James. And it said, okay, what can we do defensively? We have so much money allocated to the offense. Where can we win on the edges defensively? And it's all right, well, in my Tampa 2 scheme, we don't need to spend big money a corner. We can get the smaller, slower corners that nobody else is targeting. We can get undersized linebackers that no one else is targeting. So it's about working with Vic Fangio and with everyone on the staff,

not just the defense defense coordinator, but everyone on staff to say, where can we win on the margins and find somebody under the radar to give us that surplus value? And that's where they're going to need to do as they're giving out these big contracts elsewhere. Good point. It's also like if you think about it from that standpoint in terms of how they're spending money on defense, the next two years you're paying Zach Bond for sure at the top of the linebacker market. But then right when that is no longer guaranteed is when you're going to probably extend Quignan-Mitchell and Cooper DeGene. And so you're probably going to flip it then, right? So you're going to have to go back to being cheap at linebacker

so that you can afford to pay the guys on the outside. Presumably, we'll see how Zach Bonn ages. But, yeah, I mean, those questions about thinking on multiple timelines at the same time, like, that's how he Roseman's job, and that's how he has to be thinking. Yeah, and I do think this could be wrong, or this might not be a good way of thinking. But, you know, when Chip Kelly,

was here, and this was a mistake by Chip, he thought his competitive advantage was the scheme, right? And they certainly operated that way. I think that the Eagles with the way they view it now, and I think the rest of the league kind of thinks the Eagles operate this way, or a lot of teams do, is

that the Eagles competitive advantage is their player acquisition, right? Not to say that Howie's the star, the same way like Chip was the star, but that where they are going to beat you is not necessarily with the scheme, but it's with the player acquisition. They going to be able to acquire more talent and keep more talent and procure more talent based on

on the way that their front office is situated. And so with some of these draft picks here, I think Howie's going to want to see these guys on the field playing to kind of bear this philosophy. And pose point about the multiple time lines is 100% correct because Howie is looking at 2026. He's looking at 2027. And that's not just with planning for, for it, but it's also with getting guys meaningful snaps now if they're going to be a part of the roster in 2026 and 2027. This is interesting. The Milton Williams thing is.

Yes, this is close. This is not done. So there's maybe not all the way done. Why the numbers aren't out yet. A little Frank Gore situation here, right? You know. Out there. Yeah.

So who's the mystery team? Arizona. Arizona. Hmm. Well, look, I'll say this about Arizona. You close the laptop often, I find. I do. Why?

Because I'd like to look at. I look at someone in the eyes when I speak to them. And I feel like if my laptops here, it's distracting me. Your battery runs out all the time. I feel like it's because it's constantly booting up and putting down. Oh, is that a thing? Oh, yeah. That affects your battery.

Yeah. My battery runs. I work in coffee shops a lot for writing. And so I'm not charging in coffee shops. You don't search out the spot where you can get a plug? No, the coffee shop where I do most of my writing doesn't have. Really? No plugs?

Oh, man. Yeah, it doesn't have plugs. Interesting. Yeah. It actually doesn't even have in-house Wi-Fi. It has the X-Finity Wi-Fi. Hmm. Right?

Because it's actually a coffee shop that wants, that doesn't want you to be on your computer for like hours on end. And of all the coffee shops near where you live, this is the place you choose to go? Yeah, for some reason. Honestly, Emily jokes about this. I've tried other coffee shops to work at. For some reason, I am like a high-year-old. hyper-productive at this one coffee shop. I don't know if it's the ambios.

I don't know if it's the lights. I don't know what it is. But for some reason, I leave that coffee shop, 2,000 words, 2,500 words, where some other coffee shops. Yeah, I'm just not as productive. I wonder why that is. I don't know.

I'm trying to figure that out as well. Diana responded to the tweet. Other teams around the league are showing strong interest in landing Williams right now. Wow. somebody else making a strong play. So that he's just doing his job, right? Or her job, but in his case, his job.

So, Mike, I was obviously bullish on Baron Browning. Yep. I would tell Jonathan Gannon, if he asked me, that if Baron Browning is your answer at edge rusher, you need a better answer. Because Baron Browning's more of a situational edge rusher. So whatever Arizona, I don't know if Arizona's done anything yet, but they need to improve that pass rush.

they need to improve that defensive front. I did not like their strategy last year at all. They were actually going for these mid-level free agents. I didn't think they were operating that correctly. I think this is year for them to make a splash. Some whispers that the Patriots might be involved in the Williams still. Tom Pelliserro says the Texans are signing Tremont Smith to a two-year deal worth up to $7.5 million.

I don't think we're going to stop the show on that. No. necessarily. No. You like a Traymond Smith? Do I like a Traymond Smith? I mean, I don't have a strong opinion. Let me look at my spreadsheet here.

We have one more look at the potential targets for the Eagles and for agency to check out. That's the guys on offense. So I don't think we expect a ton of movement on offense for the Eagles in free agency, but there are some potential patchworks for them to fill. Most notably on the offensive line, and we haven't really dug into the Mackay-Bectin situation. just yet as it is reported that the Patriots are signing Morgan Moses for a three-year $24 million deal. Oh, okay.

So the list of the potential Eagles targets on offense includes Jedrick Wills, who would be sort of the plug-and-play Mackay Beckton type, a guy who played tackle then could maybe move to guard. You've got Brandon Shurf at 33 years old who would be a much different style acquisition could come in and just take that position for a year. He was released, right? He was not released. Yeah, so he would qualify.

As with Patrick McCarrey, who plays all five positions for the Ravens. James Daniels is an interesting one. Yep. Yeah. Coming off in Achilles, so probably won't be ready for week one, but could be kind of like a nice band-aid just in case between Tyler Steen and Deren Canard and Trevor Kagan, you don't get somebody who is living up to it at right guard. You got Larry Borum as a potential swing tackle option.

Will Hernandez be guard? I like it. Yeah. Joanne Johnson, a potential backfill for Dallas Goddard at tight end. Hunter Long is a pure blocking tight end. Elijah Moore, the wide receiver you have as the AJ Brown connection as a potential addition. And then if you're trying to check out the scrap heap at running bank, you've got Giovante Williams coming off his rookie contract. Even Rahim Moster could be thrown in there.

To me, I think all of these things are things that probably wouldn't happen until the proverbial second wave. of free agency. Yeah, four of those players I identified today as like my favorite free agents outside of the top guys.

Oh, okay. So the players I had were Justin Fields at quarterback, Javante Williams at running back, Elijah Moore at wide receiver,

Harrison Bryant at tight end, Jedrick Wills at offensive tackle, James Daniels at Interior Offensive Line, Draymond Jones, a defensive line, Azizo Jolari at Edge, uh,

Divine Diablo at linebacker, Paulson, Adibo, a corner, and Andre Sisko at say, So that was Those were just kind of my guys, if you will, where's Andre Sisko make you think of?

Syracuse University. Got it. But yeah, that's a good list there. Javante Williams is the name there that I think makes a lot of sense for the Eagles as he wouldn't be a starter here. We just spoke to Saquan Barclay. Sequin Barclay's coming off nearly a 500 touch season

if you include the postseason. Giovante, someone who I imagine you like quite a bit coming out of UNC. Yeah, no, I did. I will say really quickly, uh, I've never found you less believable that what you said, you did not know the name of the thong song.

No, I, I gotta say, I totally agree. No, I actually know, I take it back. No,

the American pie that you follow, that you look for the character development. And then you went on to name every single character in the entire series of movies. A real blow to your journalistic integrity. How can people believe that you're telling me? Well, no,

that's, look, I admit that I'm trying to, incorporate different strategies recommended to me in terms of working with Bo. So I am, I mean, there's a cottage industry of people sending me suggestions. And that was one of the suggestions was just if he's trying to set you up to embarrass you. No, if he's trying to set you up to embarrass you, just plead ignorant. Just, you know, make him say the thing that will be a drop for you, right?

So if the whole purpose of that. The thing that will be a drop. We don't have drops. Nothing has become a drop If the whole purpose of it is to get me the name the song Then what I need to do is just plead ignorance And then you name the song

But that's not the whole purpose of that I'm just trying to have the conversation I think you're too defensive As if I'm out to get you I'm just trying to have a conversation I'm just saying what the audience is telling me I'm Morgan Moses I have an interesting Morgan Moses story

Okay Virginia related Well because yeah so actually It's actually a Moses Morgan I believe It is not, but he is from the same hometown, though, as Mackay Beckton to make the Eagles connection. So a few years ago... What some of the one are there? Making some big boys.

I was speaking to someone inside the Eagles building. And this was back when, I don't want to say, had a better relationship with them. But, like, you know, it was more give and take, right? And the person asked me, so who do you like in this draft, right? and I thought I had to make a bold claim, right? And so I said, Morgan Moses is going to have a better NFL career than Eugene Monroe. All right? And at the time, Eugene Monroe was a really productive player.

And the person was like a better NFL career than Eugene Monroe. And Morgan Moses, I don't think, you know, he was known to be talented coming out. But I think there were like a lot of different opinions. He didn't have the same college career at Virginia. but I covered his recruitment at Virginia, and he was just like otherworldly. And so I thought this would be a bold claim. And then when he was in Washington,

he was like inconsistent, and I'm like, oh, God, what did I do? And I was thinking about that. And now here I am. Twice as long. Yeah, Morgan Moses, so he's giving me the last left. Yeah, so thank you, Morgan.

I hope that's how he begins his press conference with the Patriots. Thank you, Zach. Because of your belief in me. Yeah. Good for you. That was a good call. Yeah.

Uh, some superchats. Stonks, Zach Berman says one hour till 223, B.J. Hillary signed. Zach, are you a BJ guy? Um, I, I think B.J. Hill is a good football player. Um, Idiot Sandwich. I'm going to save you. I'm not allowed to get you, Zach. Uh, idiot sandwich says ZB, what non-sports beat would you take at a paper? Oh, good question. Idiot Sandwich. So non-sports beat. I mean, I just have to say the White House because it would be, it's, no, it's the biggest beat, right? You want to be where the attention is.

There's no way you expected him to answer any way other than that. I know. But it's not even just politics, just the White House beat, which is just asking questions at a press conference, like to be seen. That's not what it is. That's covering, it's covering the press.

President of the United States. It's flying Air Force One. It's, it's, uh, well, the good news is you couldn't do any worse than anybody else who's doing it right now. I mean, I, I, I, I, I want to be where the, where the eyeballs are. I want to, I want to cover the biggest show. I want to I want to be where the eyeballs. So, so to me, Matt C. C says ZB is just, I mean, that was great. I was like, yeah, yeah, ZB is just a clown. Matt, I don't know. He's not a clown. Honestly, that's, I don't think that I don't think that's a... I take offense that.

If anyone is a clown here, it's me. I think covering the White House correspondent, I'm sorry, being the White House correspondent is like, that's a pretty big deal on journalism. I agree. Yeah. DJ Reed to the Detroit Lions. For placing Carlton Davis.

Carlton Davis. Did we, no, who was it? You said Adiba what you thought was going to get the biggest contract for a corner? Wasn't that our discussion? DJ Hill. DJ Hill was going to make the... DJ Reed.

I thought DJ Reed was going to get... I thought you said Adibo what you thought was going to get the highest paid. No, I said DJ Reed is going to get the biggest deal as a corner. Interesting. I said he... I said it Paulson Dio was going to get a big deal. Okay.

I thought our disagreement was about... I thought you were saying a DBO was going to get it. No, I think DJ Reed's going to. Okay. Well, we will see. Yes. Lyons making a change out. Arthur Bowulf Smith, another super chance is.

Fran, do you prefer a BJ Hill or an RJ Harvey. RJ Harvey being the running back from UCF this year in the draft, just for clarity's sake. BJ Hill. RJ Harvey, I think profiles is like a nice backup running back, rotational piece.

He's got some explosive traits, but I think BJ Hill probably a better player overall at their peaks. Who's your fit? Can you think of a former Eagle BJ? I'm trying to think here. I can think of one. Who is it? B.J. Cunningham.

Ah, yes. A wide receiver from Michigan State. Yeah. That's right. Not as evocative as B.J. Hill. It's much more specific. All right. We're already at least past halfway of our promised time.

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We're cutting out of the ad break. We're going to come right back to the ad break because we have Eagles news. Oh, Isaiah Rogers is leaving the Eagles. Wow. Has an agreement on a two-year, $15 million deal with the Minnesota Vikings, including $8 million fully guaranteed. That's going to be enough to qualify for the Compig formula. Yep.

Yeah. And the Eagles are losing. Isaiah Rogers, their top option to compete with Kili Ringo on the outside. Are you surprised? Am I surprised? I did hear there was going to be a market for Isaiah Rogers. And I think this is a really healthy deal. I don't think the Eagles were going up to this number.

This is more than I expected. Isaiah Rogers to make good for Isaiah Rogers. Good for, yeah, I would say good for Isaiah Rogers. I'm not surprised that he's leaving at this number. I thought if Isaiah Rogers was back, it was going to be like one year, five million or something of that nature. It was seven, seven and a half a year, you said. Well, yeah, two 15 with eight, eight guarantees. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, that's that's starting money. It's enough to be their, their second or third corner. Minnesota, a team that plays, uh, they, they kind of go back and forth between playing a lot of man, a lot of zone depending on the year with Brian Flores. Um, I know that they want to get to a place where they're playing more man coverage on a consistent basis. And I think that Rogers gives them. that ability. So that's my signing by them. Listen, Isaiah Rogers this year, whenever he was called upon, yeah, answered the bell. Absolutely answered the bell. And, you know, if he hadn't hurt that

hand at the end of training camp, like we might not have seen Quignan Mitchell as early as we did. I think we probably would have seen him in a different capacity, but he wouldn't have been starting from the outside on day one. So an interesting, certainly, if you think about this from the Eagles investment standpoint, when they sign Isaiah Rogers when he is suspicious. spend it for the year. They get one year of, you know, very good backup play, and they're probably going to get a compick for him. It's an interesting return. So let me ask you this, because you can have a maximum of four compics, right? Now, he could now fill the void of like Zach Bond if we, in terms of the big four, so to speak. But let's say the Eagles, in their own internal, uh,

projections were projecting for three compics, including Mackay Beckton leaving. Would you then say, all right, now we can be more aggressive for a player who would qualify against a the compact formula here because we're still get three knowing that that player could cancel out with Isaiah Rogers. Yes, but it's also the level. So it's not just the inlet, it's not just the pure numbers. It's like if they sign a guy like Aziz O'Jolari or whatever, he's going to cancel out Josh Sweat or Milton Williams.

And so you're talking about third or fourth and then maybe like two sixth or something like that from Mackay Becht and Isaiah Rogers. But yeah, I think I think these four. should give you the flexibility to sign at least one guy who's going to who's going to cancel something out right yeah got i think back what was the uh the scenario we shouldn't plan your entire off season around like a fourth one extra six round pick yes exactly um because didn't like drew lock negate somebody big for because i think sayquan maybe yeah it was like or uh the the safety they lost a green bag exactly yeah right right we would negate one of those picks because they signed a five million dollar right how it works is it is the the number right and then once you are

positive on the number. Then it goes to comparing the two different stories. The last 10 minutes also, in my opinion, have increased the probability that Darius Slay is back too because not only Roger is leaving, but DJ Reed going to Detroit, that was the other potential landing spot. If DJ Reed's going there, less likely that they would spend money on D.J. Slee. And that's the kind of one where the egos would probably be willing to wait around until Thursday. Right. And let, you know, let the market come to them and maybe Slay comes back. Yep. If you bring Slay back, though, he's starting for you.

So do you think there's a part of Howie that's like, I don't want to block Healy Ringo? It's a fair question. Because a mid-level free agent is someone who is competing with Healy. Darius Slay's not, if you bring Slay back, Slay's starting, I imagine. Yeah. And, you know, he's going to be 34.

Yeah. Right? So you're not counting on him to play every game. So that's like you're having Keely Ringo be the guy who's ready to go. but I'm sure that that is that is part of the calculation that's a good point I wonder because the other place that I would think of would bring would be Tennessee and they're the reuniting with thenard Wilson um Tennessee just gave out money to a corner too didn't they today or no am I thinking of a different position today no they got tackle they

obviously they traded for what's his name last year about Pittsburgh Pittsburgh's the team I heard as well okay uh Slay and I heard the Terrell Austin uh right That's a good one. That's a good one. And they've been looking for a veteran corner. I mean, they have young guys there. They're looking for a veteran. Yep.

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Check out all p.hly.com. Limited time introductory offer $36 for the year. You get full coverage of the Eagles, Flyers, Sixers, and most importantly, the draft. Fran Duffy's diehard draft guide plus mock drafts big boards coming all that good stuff You're deep in the heart of it Yeah, we're very much into the thick of things now, but it's funny though because I like do I spent all this time on the three round mock draft draft last week and it's like all these things over the last 48 hours just rip all of it apart So but that's the fun part of the the exercise should that be the concede of our draft show tomorrow is how the first

36 hours of free agency changes team stuff you feel about in the draft um yeah though I was I was gonna talk to you about it after the show if it was that if it was uh because like I got the board coming out this week do we maybe we see that that yeah a little bit of both yeah a little bit of everything I also have I've been going through the the outliers you know the positions but I'm not all the way through it yet so maybe we'll save that for next week you can tell me if you're worried about these things or yes those like to me like that's you know you know know because we have what uh six shows until draft i feel like instead of doing like position

previews i feel like doing shows like that where it's like are like like overrated underrated the outliers and draft and things like that i think are a little more valuable okay i would argue that there should only be maybe five or six free agents a year who really affect the draft from my perspective in totality like over like uh across the entire league yes um and i understand like i think you're 100 percent right because it does affect the draft yeah but i think Unless you're signing, like a cornerstone player, or you're a team that's clearly that has a hole that you're waiting to fill in the draft, you should take the best prospect that kind of fits within the framework of your team

as opposed to trying to, you know, because that that's not a 12-month decision. And typically free agent signings are a 12 to 24-month decision. It's very seldom a three-to-five-year decision. I totally, go ahead. Well, I was going to say, like if, if the, Broncos gave Evan Ingram three years 50 million. Yeah.

That probably takes them out of tight end, right? But I'm saying, but the Broncos shouldn't draft Tyler Warren because they need a tight end right now. They should draft Tyler Warren because he's like a really good player. I totally agree with you. I think the entire purpose of for agency is to draft proof your roster. Exactly. Is to make sure that you don't have to force a position anywhere, but you also are free to take whatever the best fit is no matter the position. Now, the irony to that is one of the science.

findings last year that I would have said should affect the way you draft is Kirk Cousins. Right. You know, and so that's true. Like that's one where I would say take your highest rated guy unless you just guaranteed a quarterback $120 million or whatever it is because that just pissing money down the drain. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny.

No, I totally, I totally agree with you generally speaking. And you also think back to like some Eagles draft mistakes. Yes. I've often been because of that because they felt like they had to find a, Pacific type. I mean, Jalen Rager is the most obvious example of that. Danny Watkins. We sort of argued heading in. Now, Watkins was a little different only because they didn't have for agency first that year, remember? It's a very point. And I think that was a mistake that they made. But, you know, they were, they were very cap strung in that 2020 draft with Jalen Rager.

We sort of argued at the time, why not just sign, I forget who the type of player we were talking about. It was like Prashad Perryman, like just sign a guy so that you don't have to force that pick. But instead, they went in knowing they were going to take a receiver. They and probably overthought the fit schematically instead of just taking Justin Jefferson. And I think there are times like that where you do get in trouble. And Howard Roseman said it a month ago that if you leave the draft, having filled all your needs, you probably had a bad draft. And I think I like that framing. You're right. And you know, Dallas Goddard turned into a really good pick for the Eagles.

And it was a pick that at the time, like didn't necessarily, there wasn't a clear need. I do know that the Eagles actually went into the first round that year. They were drafting 32, so it's comparable to this year. And they said they wanted an offensive weapon for Carson Wentz. Now, it didn't matter if that weapon played tight end or wide receiver or Rob or obviously running back. But that was kind of there thinking at the time. I don't think the teams, teams do this. But unless you're signing like your franchise left tackle in free agency,

I think that you or you're drafting in the top five and you should just take the best player there is. Reports circulating that it is Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, fighting for Milton Williams. Interesting. Super chat from Rel got snacks. Says if Shador Falls, would you take him at 32 hashtag QB Factory?

No, I don't think so. I don't know. 32. I mean, probably not, but I'm being curious. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think so. I think I'd pass. Somebody else was to trade up for him.

Sure. It's great. It's a great situation. What do you think, Zach? Yeah, I'll defer to Fran. I think that Lamar Jackson was an example of a player who fell to 32 because the league was just stupid from my perspective. Shador Sanders, I think if Shador Sanders falls to 32, it's probably that the media has

over-evaluated him, like relative to teams. Right? I think that he's, look, he's such a, I mean, not to say he's not a good player, but he's so famous. It's probably similar to like Mansell in the sense of like, oh, I don't mean to use that like Johnny Manzell was so famous and was viewed as like potential number one pick, but I don't think internally, like the league didn't necessarily view it that way. And what I mean is, is that if Shador Sanders is available at 32, it's probably because

the media hype for him is greater than the way teams are evaluating him is my guess. I don't think that's, I don't think I agree with that. Okay. I mean, you're free to disagree. I'm not saying he's Lamar Jackson or anything like, I mean, obviously they're completely different styles of players. I was using Lamar Jackson because he was available at 32. No, no, I understand.

I don't, I think, I think Lamar Jackson felt 32 for similar concerns, not similar concerns because they're totally different players, but they didn't think that he was as good of a prospect to counterbalance what they thought of him as a person. And now it was different, it was completely different with Lamar where it was like, we don't think this guy is, uh, like has enough personality. Like we think he's kind of a bump on the log, whereas it's the, it's the opposite with Shudor Sanders. I'm not saying I think he's like a top 10 caliber prospect, but like the, the conversation leaving the draft, is a little bit problematic to me.

And I don't really believe, like, it's not like, it's not like the media was pushing him up into a top 10 pick. He was like, a lot of those conversations are based off things talking with, with teams. Yeah, I'll defer to Fran there,

but it's, I'll use this example. Like there was a point where Matt Barkley was projected to be a first round pick. And then, but it wasn't that. No, but, but,

but then like the, as, as the draft, went on, as it turned out, the media evaluation of Matt Barclay was different than the league evaluation of Matt Barclay. So it might very well be. I think if Shador Sanders is available at 32, my guess is because the league isn't evaluating him as like a clear first round pick. That's, I could be wrong there. Yeah, but I actually think Lamar Jackson, the league, from my understanding, teams had like first round grades on Lamar Jackson. It was just, there was a

thought and this was foolish of teams, but there was a thought that you would have to recreate your entire offense for Lamar Jackson. That like he he wasn't, you know, you have to commit to a certain way of playing. And they were just missing the fact that Lamar Jackson was absolutely awesome at Louisville. To be fair, the Ravens did. The Ravens did have to really remake their offense for the first couple of years, then get him kind of bought into the league in that way. So, you know, I think there was something to that. But yeah, and clearly as very much outperformed that slot, especially considering the other guys that went ahead of them.

All right. Wait on the news. Yeah, waiting on the middle stuff here. No word on Josh sweat. Yeah. No, no like reports on sweat. Yeah. Nothing of McKayne back to either.

Yeah. Do you think the more Bechtin lingers, the greater chance there is of him returning? I suppose. I think that I've, as the, it's like since we did our exercise of, the world order. I feel less confident in,

in Beckton coming back than I did then. Like as time has gone on, I'm like, I just don't know if that contract would make sense. Right. Let's take a look actually at the list of Eagles free agents because tell me who else you think here could command attention in the first, call it 48 hours of free agency.

In addition to the big ones, you've also got the likes of Fred Johnson. Like, is Fred Johnson going to get a deal somewhere? Interesting. Dan Moore is getting $21 million a year? Like how much worse is Fred Johnson? A couple of years below that would be my estimation. Yeah, typically the way this works is there's not a lot of late money.

There's a lot of early money. But the contracts on day three and beyond typically favor the team. Contracts on day one favor the player. I believe Twitter is down again. Apparently, uh, it's fearless leader has said that they are under cyber attack from a coordinated group. Oh, a country may be involved.

No, interesting. You think it's the NBA? That is funny. It's mainly baseball saying our free agency goes on for two months. Yeah. That's funny. Do we have the list of Eagles for agents? That's okay.

All good? Yeah, Twitter is down again. Great. Let's see. Blue sky is up, though. Good. Thriving. Did you send that?

Zach to In the Eagles beat. It's in the Eagles beat. Okay. Let's take a look at who else is a free agent here for the Eagles. You've got. Do we have it in Eagles beat? Oh, here.

Here we go. Okay. McGi Bechtin. Oren Berks. I feel like Orrin Berks is an interesting one. I'm curious if the Eagles prioritize bringing him back and sort of lock him in as the guy who can play until the Kobe Dean. You're all right?

I thought I brought water in here. Oh. I don't know where I put it. It's out there. It's fine. All right. Thank you. I feel like Oren Berks,

you're probably not going to do much better than him on the market. So just bring him back. I think you want somebody that gives you that... How do you feel about a Jack Sanborn? I like a Jack Sanborn. I listen to the conversations to the pod on Friday. I think I'd rather just bring... The known commodity of Ornbergs?

Yeah. And especially like, you know, how does that impact? Like, that would be a one, that would be a good example of in terms of like compic formula stuff like why well he won't that's probably not going to qualify but

I don't know I Sanborn isn't like that bad of a play I think that he could be someone that could impact I don't think he's I don't think he's getting more than I mean the the bear's turned down the tender which would have been like three and a half really that's surprising or four

he gave them like good playing time early in his career yeah because they were surprised. I remember there was the, when they, when they signed TJ Edwards, people in Chicago were shocked because they're like, oh, but Sanborn.

Yeah. Obviously, I mean, I was TJ's a better, better player. Zach, as it gets to Orrin Berks, any movement on the road trip front?

I actually heard from someone this weekend who reached out and said, you know how I can get in touch with Orrin Perks. Really? Yeah. Just follow you around and you're running until it some point. Is there? Orrin was, I think, that's a little bit,

that's also a little bit curious. Why? Someone's just reaching out to you. How do I get in touch with Orrin Berks? Yes. Yes. Someone who is asking me, how they can get in touch with Orrin Berks.

And. Was it Howie? I hope not. It was not Howie. It was not Howie. All right. We've also got Paris Campbell. Yes.

Raven Clark, Britton Covey, Jack Driscoll, Kenny Gainwell, and Fred Johnson. We talked about Fred Johnson. How do you guys, How do you guys feel about Kenny Gainwell?

You think he's going to have a market? I don't think a robust one. Yeah, right, exactly. I think there will be people that would like to bring him in, but I don't think it'll be a huge line up the door. I believe he just got married recently, so congratulations to Kenny. Oh, nice.

Yes. If I'm wrong, I apologize, but I believe he, I heard he just got married like last weekend or so. News to his girlfriend. Avanti Maddox, Rick Levato. Is Levano unrestricted?

Yes. is interesting they haven't surprised no movement there they're gonna make a change they rick's like at the end of the sea right now get the deal done yeah yeah uh i i just saw a team extended their long snapper through like 2029 who was that some of these deals are like the the uh the giants deal for their punter jamie gillam is they're like four million a year or something like that expecting the punt a lot yeah i think there's probably like a a a niche in the space that someone could carve out to just do like the percentage of cap and just like only specialize in that and like provide context and instantly to like all right well this

will count towards X amount this is how it compares to everybody else yeah okay uh super chat from Nico who says how much for a super chat for us to crack some bruskees I mean I don't think you have to convince boat uh What the hell? No, you've done it on air before. And whenever we have a nighttime show, you're enjoying a glass of whenever? That's not true. No.

Occasionally. You're enjoying a glass of wine at night. There's nothing wrong with that. Occasionally, not whenever. I love this a compliment. This helps your... You thought that's a compliment? For sure.

For sure. Man of the people. I mean, the answer is $10. I'll call it. I'll cry for $10. We certainly have some back there. Yeah, I got no problem with that. What would it take for Zach to have one though?

That's not happening. I got a playoff game tonight. Oh, 845. What are the odds that you're going to get to play in that game? I actually think good odds, decent odds. Yeah, I'm not expecting a major move tonight. Okay. Could be wrong.

Fran, will you be on alert from, let's call it, 815 to 10 o'clock for an emergency pod? Just in case. Just the case. Yeah, I'll be here. ready to go. Okay. How are you feeling about this matchup? You just made him rethink the entire process of going to the game, by the way.

I would have already had this internal competition and this internal debate. Yeah, I haven't been a very good teammate this year. So I think I need to get tonight. The chat wants to know, can they go to the game? Can you reveal the location? No, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. Yeah.

But how do I feel about tonight? I feel better than I felt what our, our record suggests we are. We're not very good record this year, but I think I actually, we've lost some close games, and the team we're playing tonight is a good team

because of the way the bracket works out. So I think it's the second-seated team, and we are the second, the worst team in the league. But I actually think that we can stay competitive tonight. Okay. And potentially upset them. Well, you got your full roster.

Yeah. Well, I don't think I'm a big part of it. You know, every little bit counts. But actually, you know, A lot of these people are Eagles fans. So I sent like an apologetic text last week. Like, I'm sorry I haven't really been a good teammate. I haven't been around as much.

And they're like, no, we're okay with the, it might be because I'm a bad player. But I mean, the reason is because if this Eagles playoff run, I haven't been around. What is the, uh, the level of player that, uh, an emergency pod would give you the most fomo? So like from Lou Nichols to Miles Garrett, where on the scale would make you upset that you missed out because you were at the game. I wouldn't miss any. I'd feel bad about missing any show.

If it was a Lou Nichols show, you wouldn't be that upset, though. I mean, yeah, I was so. We did it. Yeah, that he missed it. I still wanted to do this show. Probably Lovato.

If there's like a Lovato. Yeah. There's a Lovato emergency pod. I don't know how much I can contribute to that. The Lovato line. My promise to you, the listener and viewer, is that if the Eagles re-sign Rick Lovato this week,

we will do an emergency Rick Lovato pod. if they resign him. What if he signed somewhere else? What would we do an emergency show? I think we do. It's a big hole that got to fill. Yeah, I mean, that's one where you got to fill that hole. You can't go into the draft with that one.

I guess you could. Okay. Speaking of brackets, we did finally make the boys name bracket last night. There were people in the chat asking for this. Yes, they want to know how Poo Ragoos is there. 64 names. Too many, a lot of dogs in this one. We should have kept it to 32 like we did with the girls.

you know, we made the choice to move on. A lot of names. Do you want me to go through it? You have how far into the bracket are you? Did you complete the bracket? No, interesting. Hold on. We got some news here.

No, no. Oh, no. This was just made the bracket. You just made the bracket. Okay. I have a note from Oh, man. Sam Lynch, who was watching the show.

Okay. And probably knows more about this stuff than anybody in the world. Yeah. He says, Rick Levano was on a veteran salary benefit deal last year. which is one year at the minimum, so we had a discounted cap hit, those players are not allowed to sign an extension

and have to wait until the new year for their next contract. So it wouldn't surprise to have a new one-year minimum deal signed soon. I like that. Sam, Sam, thank you, Sam. Fantastic. All right. I'm going to go quickly.

Cut me off if we get a need, if we get a signing. All right, I'm going to go through this very quickly. Abram, Xavier, Griffin, Ira, Derek, Otis, Cooper, Owen, August, Tanger, Ellis, Logan, Emmett, Leo, Atticus, Tanner, Afton, Afton, Isaac, Grant, Zander, Desmond, Oscar, Cole, Parker, Beckett, Spencer, Elias, Lyle, Evan, Jonah, Atlas, Theo, Alexander, Walter, Gavin, Jasper, Duncan, Nolan, Cody, Russell, Bennett, Simon, Eli, Malcolm, Everett, Julius, Arthur, Trevor, Anders, Troy, Felix, Jesse, Dylan, Milo, Calvin Shiloh, Bryson, Silas, Edward, Marcus, Ezra, Julian, Arlo, Tristan, Pooregu. Can I tell you what? Can I ask you, wait, is there, was there seating involved?

Oh, no, no, no. I do it like S curve, like a bracket, but based on alphabet. I'm rooting for Oscar. Okay. Only because the, the voices that you would do during story time for an Oscar, I think would be high-good.

Very proud this week. Jane debuted her first impression. Nice. What she did? She's been nailing a mini. Oh, yeah? She's a good, big a good mini.

Nice. There you go. That's her father proud. I like that. Absolutely. That's great. I know a few Oscars. Oscar's a good name.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, cross it off the list now. I had a former editor at The Inquirer, Oscar Miller. I don't know if Oscar's watching, if I'm being honest with you, but Oscar, it was a very nice man. And then I had a guy who used to cut my hair, Oscar, who was awesome, too. Nice. Yes.

Okay. Do you like Oscar, like for steak? Do you look crab? Yeah. Yeah. Like crab on everything. No, that. That's the back on it.

Sorry. Yeah, I think you're in trouble. You always count on Jamie to bring over the beer. Bo's in trouble. You don't even, it's what Jamie's arm. We got Coors life. We got Miller and the old yards pale, Bo. You know what?

Peroni is a nice afternoon. It is. A nice afternoon beer. Let's do it. I'll do the peroni. I feel like I should open one so you don't have to drink alone. Well, it won't be big. There we go.

Chris is jumping in. There's the $10. Thank you, Tim. Michael B. We got a bunch of good ones. Michael B says, okay, six-pack either tonight or during the emergency Lovano Bond. Tim Durkin says, let's go, Bo. Nick says, now one beer per $10.

That was not the deal with. Kyle said, smashed some bruise. And Joe says, do you think Zee B's team was like, wait, you weren't here? That's not fair. That's not fair. He's the best passer on the team. He's a giving man. my son's advice action at me is is don't pass

don't pass yeah he's and I tell he's the opposite of me in his game yeah he is a gunner man I would hate playing with him he just he just shoots but he's like your team needs scoring that's what he tells me oh does he go to the games no oh went but I go to his games and he's he's not I tell him he needs to pass more he's like we need to score you win with scoring it's not wrong offense wins yeah Tell me, you tell them, defense wins championships? What's your?

No, I say being a good teammate is the most important thing. I always tell them for all his sports. I say the same thing over and over again. I don't care how you do. I care how you do it. Good advice. All right. I feel like we're just getting started here.

Interesting. This Milton Williams stuff is interesting. Yeah, it's lingered on, huh? Yeah, I was expecting a quicker resolution. Okay. This is interesting. Trevin Merrick, the safety. Your boy.

To the Carolina Panthers, three years, 51 million dollars. What's that? 17 a year. 17 million dollars, yep. You got to wonder, does that mean they're not going for Milton Williams? Is this like, we're losing Milton, so we'll spend that money on Merrick? I mean, I know they had money to spend. And they do both?

Oh, wait. Rappaport, the Patriots are taking the biggest defender off the market as Milton Williams lands. in New England for him and Mike G. So that's right. Carolina doesn't get Milton Williams. Instead they get Merrick and Milton Williams goes to the Panthers. We can change the headline on that Vod. Now we have to do so he's not playing next to Derek Brown.

So he is now the face of that defensive line unless you think Christian Barmore or I, I'm hoping I know Christian Barmore's dealt with some health issues. I'm hoping the best for the Philly native. But Milton Williams is an integral part now of that. Mike Vrable defense. All we got to do is just change the headline on that bad boy. And just, yeah. So are,

are we thinking that the Patriots swooped in? Or maybe the initial reports, they misread the text and they, they saw, you know, that there were lines crossed with the P teams. But no. Someone told me that,

and that's an interesting, I wonder if the agent, like, you know, did they, did they seed it out to that it was very close? Yes. You know,

to, to, right. the Patriots into action. But my understanding was that the combine, someone said that, like, that agency, the only comp they were using for Milton Williams and meeting with teams was Aaron Donald. It's like, that's the level, that's the level that we're expecting. Wow.

Blue sky's not loading right now. Uh-oh. Down on all fronts. That's not good. Okay. Well, refresh and we're good. We're okay. It's foreign, uh, as far as agents really messing around.

Adam Silver. Adam Silver is really. got his guys working Manfred and silver are joining together manfred and silver the diabolical combination rap sheet says Williams 26 million a year

wow wow that is nuts I mean good for I should say it's awesome good for Milton Williams good for Milton Williams so that puts them at third in the league behind just Chris Jones and Christian Wilkins last year Christian Wilkins got 27

and a half by the record I tell you why Jalen Carter is a happy right now. You know, he is going to, he's going to break. 26 a year is 4-104. I said 4-105.

Good for you. You win. closest to the hole. Yeah. Ah, man. And more than Alene McNeil got. How he wins. Now he's sending that text to touch the top right now.

And that is, I mean, that's going to be absolutely back into the third round. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, Alie McNeil about 24 and a half million this fall. So he joins a defense that really needed help on that defensive front. You know, they have, they signed Landry to be an edge rusher, but you're looking at their depth chart here.

They have Christian Barmore, who, as I said, has been dealing with health issues. And Daniel, E-E-E-E-E-Q-A-L-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-O-L-L-E. Is my pronounce that correctly? I actually don't know. Okay. Because I didn't do his tape. Okay. Yeah.

Then they have Keon White at one edge. They have D.Dierke Wyes, but they need help on that defensive front. Milton Williams, if you're paying $26 million, if you're paying $26 million to Milton Williams, he's clearly the new face of your defense. And that is clear here. I mean, he got 2x what Harold Landry got on the open market. Harold Landry's their edge rusher. So I think this speaks a lot to. if Milton Williams wanted to be, I spoke to him about this.

He wanted to be the face of a defense, he said. He wanted to kind of be the guy who's the leader of that group. He is the clear leader of that defensive line now. I mean, Patriots go, you're hoping you get Barmore back. You have Barmore, Milton Williams, Harold Landry. Keon White had really good flashes early this year. Then that defense went completely in a tank. Then you add Carlton Davis to Christian Gonzalez.

Yeah. You have Dougher, Kyle Dugger at safety. unfortunately you're throwing to the three of us on offense. Yeah, they're going to have to figure that out. Travis Hunter. That's, yeah, maybe Travis Hunter. Interesting. Yeah, it's a makings of a good defense.

Yeah. Good for Milton Williams. Good for Milton Williams. One of three players I talked to on media night in that, in that craziness of it. Super Bowl. Oh, man. Are there more super chats? Chase, Daniel Plainview.

Disappointed that Z.B. wants to be a White House reporter, are the ongoings of Philly's local government undeserving of your attention? No, not at all. I mean, I could have said City Hall reporter, but I would say that if I'm choosing any beat, I'm choosing probably national, more than local at that point, right? And so I'm talking about non-sports, national beat. Yeah, the White House would be a fun one. Matt Dio says is Isaiah Rogers money enough for a compick? I think if it is accurate as reported, seven and a half a year, I think it is for sure.

Then Grace says, if you had no physical limitations, what position would you choose to play and why? This is easy for me. Do you want to go first? No, go ahead. Quarterback, without a doubt, you're the guy. Right?

I mean, you want to be the, yeah, you want to. You want to be where the eyeballs are. Yeah, you want to be the thermostat, right? So that's the quarterback. I don't even need to be a good one. I can just be Jimmy Garoppolo and make 11 million this here. Yeah, it's a quarterback. Well, I mean, as an experienced bubbleball quarterback, the winningest of all time, I think for sure, quarterback.

But you wouldn't be where you are without your reliable receivers on the other end. Certainly not. Right. Nor without the competition on the other side, you know, the Alex Zirkle. Or really push you and, you know, make you elevate your own game. We have a long snapper deal. I saw it. Speaking of the long snappers.

Trent Sieg. Saig. Seig. from Dallas Cowboys. Three years, $4.45 million. Three point one million guaranteed. I have no evaluation.

The Cowboys are all in. I can't tell you. All right. A little surprised that we haven't heard a whiff of anything on Josh Sweat. I am surprised by that too. Maybe he's been in Columbia. He doesn't have,

you know, he needs to agree to the deal on. Justin Fields is in Abu Dhabi. I saw that. could be like um maybe are are you watching white was good looking coffee are you watching white lotus right now yes yeah maybe he's at you know one of those wellness retreats and yeah put the phone away and he hasn't uh corresponded you caught off on white lotus i am this is a no spoilers question okay this is this is spoilers but if you had to say which of the which of the characters slash actors is is winning like having the best season you're most interested when they're on screen and who is losing how would you say

Because to me, it's very clear on both sides. So who do I like the most? Who is the most interesting, most captivating to you? And who is, like, distractingly bad? That's a good question. I mean, I feel like we're spending a lot of time with the family from North Carolina. Yeah. Right?

So, but I honestly, I think the, I think the three women are like a fun storyline for me. So, I don't know. I'm actually, I guess the one that I find distractingly bad is, is, uh, or I should say distractingly bad, but I'm not as interested in Greg. Greg Gary. Uh,

he, Oh, the guy. Yeah, from the phone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Uh, you know what I'm enjoying? I'm enjoying the, um, security guard. Security guard. Yeah. I'll tell you what, though.

He's, he's got to keep his eye on the price a little more. No spoilers. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah, that was a bad, that was a bad job by him. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. To me. Amy Lou Wood, who is the Manchester girlfriend. Okay. Like absolutely electric. Every scene. I think she's crushing it.

Yeah. Okay. I think she's the most captivating character by far. I think she's winning every scene she's in. Meanwhile, Jason Isaac's putting on one of the worst performances I think I've ever seen. Which one is Jason Isaac? He is the father in the North Carolina family. I mean, the dipping in and out of the accent, like the,

It's so bad. I mean, that... Really bad, I think. I've never taken that. What's it? No spoilers. Okay. Sorry, yeah, no spoilers.

But yes, the way that he acts, he acts that, yeah, not good. So there you go. There's my... I feel like the, I feel like Schwarzenegger's son's getting a lot of attention. Saxon? Is that his name?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's, he is good at playing the... I feel like that character's in... I feel like that character's in... every single episode like the I'm sorry every single season like that specific character it's a fair point although I guess that like the kind of person who you would run into at any of these resorts yeah like that that like broie I feel

like that character yeah he just changed the name but it's the same same archetype I don't disagree with that okay I gotta catch up yeah we're separate but yes well yes but this is one where like severance I'm watching on my own Meg broke out she's just not into Severance. I just can't. I, I, Rachel's out on Severance, too. She's got too weird for us. It's amazing. I think it's been excellent this season. But, yeah, we have to catch up on, because Meg does enjoy White Lotus, so we're a couple episodes behind. Yeah, my take on, on White Lotus, and this is every year is, like, I like going to that place, right? Like,

it brings, you know, I like destination type shows where, you know, I've, I've never been to a Thailand resort, right? So, uh, it's, it's, it's. It's like it's pretty cool. You feel like you're experiencing something different. We have some detackle news here, by the way. Okay, let's hear it. Puna Ford is signing with the Rams three years at just under $30 million. Wow.

Their replacement for Bobby Brown. Do you think they used Aaron Donald as the comp in the meetings? Something tells me a little bit short of that. I mean, Puna Ford is one of the smaller de-tackles in football, but he's a good run defender. Nice backup nose tackle. You got to compare the contracts at defense. to tackle between Puna and B.J. Hill.

Yeah. Take a little tit for tat. As some would say. Yes. That's interesting. I like Puna for it. Yeah. All right.

Let's see if we got a waiting around. Twitter's back. For now. For now. No, not yet. We're only one season in. One episode in, right?

Two episodes in. Yeah, we like to wait, like, to do a little, you know, mini marathon with the beginning of the season, wait for a couple to build up. No. Okay. Okay. Why would there not be idols? Got it.

Too many? Okay. I have some more detackle news here. Yeah. Here. Larry Oginobi. Ogunjobe. Ogunjobe.

I'm sorry, from Charlotte. I remember him. The Pittsburgh Steelers have released him. So he hits the. He hits the market, does not. He becomes attractive because he doesn't qualify. Exactly. A former eagle off the market.

Ooh. Quarterback, Nick Mullins on a two-year, six and a half million dollar deal to the Jacksonville Jaguars. I would argue, if you're Nick Mullins family, please stop watching the show. Probably the worst training camp performance I've ever seen the year that Nick Mullins was in camp. Oh, disagree. No, yeah. I have seen worse quarterbacks. Right.

But not quarterbacks who were in the league. Okay. Okay. You know what I mean? Right. Like, okay. You know, certainly, Clap and Thorpein was worse that summer,

but he never made it in the league. Right. Nick Monsla was like started games and Chait for the Eagles having had started games and was just like unwatchable. One guy who had just a brutal camp, but I think of every time it's Patrick Robinson. Patrick Robinson was bad. Oh, I was just thinking of quarterbacks.

I thought Matt McGloin, was Mabbley out of Yeah, that was a tough one for him. Nice guy, though. But so Nick Mollins, of course, he's following Grant Udinski to Jacksonville and this continues. Oh, what do we got?

Cutting you off. We have bigger, we have bigger quarterback. Yes. The Seahawks have landed Sam Darnold. There it is. Now I don't know if that's, that's a little bit too dramatic. Like the Seahawks have landed Sam Darnold.

They're locked into mediocrity. But that is, that is, Three years, $100 million. 110. One-half million. I read that wrong. Including 55 guaranteed. Oh, Tel-Sarro said three for 100.

Shepter has three, one, one-ten and a half. Oh, 55 guaranteed. You get Starbucks. A million here, a million there. That's that up, right? Yeah, so Sam Darnold, this has been, I don't want to say this, well, this is, this has been the expectation since, you know, Smith got traded. I know there was some late.

Pittsburgh Buzz, but this makes sense for, certainly makes sense for Sam Darnel, whether it makes sense for Seattle. Yeah, I heard you at the top of the show saying that they, you know, are dismantling their team. They're trying to do this, uh, this weird transition right now. I know Sam Darnold has experience in this Kupiac scheme, you know, last year in, in Minnesota where he thrived.

He was obviously in San Francisco the year before that. I'm curious. I obviously, I liked him coming out. He's only 27. I thought he was in some bad situations. And with the Jets, obviously, even in Carolina, you know, they, they fired Joe Brady in the middle of that year. I didn't quite understand that. But good for, yeah, good for Sam Darno.

And I, that is like a, it's a nice middle ground deal where they're not paying too much. And even if they draft, like you could draft a quarterback. They probably won't, given this class. but it's not too oner risk to move off of if you find a more permanent solution. Gino Smith was entering a contract year this year. I'm pretty sure he was set to be a free agent next year. So he was going to have won a new deal. And my guess is he's going to be when he does sign a new deal.

It'll be something in that area. It might be a little bit less about in that area. So they decided, all right, let's just make the switch. Honestly, I would rather a 27-year-old San Darnold and a third round pick than a 35-year-old Geno Smith. Right. I think you're right. Yeah.

Yeah. Yep. I agree with that. Now, I would imagine if you're following quarterback dominoes here, this probably means Aaron Rogers to Pittsburgh. Unless the Giants, but yes. Sure. I think Rogers would probably prefer if it's up to him, Pittsburgh. Yeah. If I'm Pittsburgh, well. And if you're the giants, I mean, Russell Wilson.

Cousins. Russell Wilson. Yeah. Russell Wilson feels very New York Giants. Like that's, yeah. You know, classy guy. That's, it's almost meant to have. He was actually visiting the Giants last year. Oh, that's right.

Yeah. When the Steelers called and offered. That's right. Yeah. Super chat from Vince, who says longer Beckton sits. Do you think his prices are higher or lower than expected? Yeah, Vince, good question. First of all, thank you for the super chat, Vince.

I appreciate it. And for lunch. Yeah. Appreciate the contribution. Honestly, the longer someone lingers, I think the more advantageous it is for the team. Money goes early. And, yeah, I think that. that now we're only two way we're only two and a half hours in of course right but if this goes to

tomorrow if this goes to wednesday then i think that definitely favors the team so so i think there's more of a chance he comes back to the eagles but there haven't been there been any guards who have signed who have set the market yeah no not necessarily there's been there's been franchise tag. Yeah. You're right. So maybe that's part of the, maybe there's a cascading effect for the first guard to sign. Yep.

I was actually curious, you know, when, because Fran made the great point about the chiefs that they tend to like these Orlando Smith, Juan Taylor types, and I was wondering if they would go after Mackay Beckton as a starting tackle for them. And that obviously they chose Jellon Moore, which I didn't quite understand. I thought the same reaction you guys did. but Andy Reid has forgotten more about offensive line play than I will ever know. Johnny Munt signing with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Very exciting news.

Grace has a super chat. Grant Yudinsky's got a lot of pull there. He's just bringing back all the Vikings backups, right? Yeah. He went to CBS, by the way, Grant Yudinsky. Ah, nice. Alma mater of Matt Gilb. Happy birthday.

Happy birthday. Grace has a diabolical super chat. She says, if you were forced to watch something on a 24-hour loop as punishment, would you choose the Aaron Hernandez FX show, the Aaron Rogers documentary Enigma, or the recent state of the union, pick your poison? This is pretty easy to me. It's definitely the Aaron Hernandez FX show,

because you're going 24 hours. First of all, you want enough episodes, so you're getting not just the same thing over and over. And I feel like the Aaron Hernandez show, there's some camp in there. Like you can you can sort of laugh along with it as opposed to the other things which are taking themselves too seriously or just completely depressing. I got to admit the only of these three that I've watched whereas the Aaron Hernandez's FX show. You did watch it.

The whole thing? Yeah, I watched the whole thing. There's so much to do in your life. Why? Because I could fall asleep to it. It was light. So that's I tend to fall asleep to light things. I did not watch the State of the Union.

NFL network doubling down on Sam Darnold, $100, $100.5 million. So maybe that was the, but still the 55 guaranteed. Sorry, go ahead. No, and then the Aaron Rogers, I read the book. I read Aen O'Connor's book, but I have not read, I've not watched the documentary. I would do the FX show based solely off the comedic value.

Yeah. I only saw clips on social. I didn't watch a minute of it. Right. And then there were a couple funny, like, just like, look alike. likes like this guy. Right.

Yeah, to look alike whoever it was. Sure. So that's kind of fun. Yeah, the giants, man.

Like, is Aaron Rogers or Russell Wilson or Kirk Cousins, right? I mean, I would you say Cam Ward or bust

if I'm them. What can they? But if the Titans want Cam Ward, then that's the problem. They can't get them. Right. That's why you don't beat the Colts.

That's right. forgot about that. Week 16, yeah. Yeah. All right. Do you have? some of your old

Scotland reports. Oh, I do. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, I do. Hit me. Let's do. Well, you know what? Let's do Milton Williams.

Oh, I love that. You liked Milton Williams a lot. All right. That's a good one. All right. Give me a sec. So that would have been 21, right? 21.

All right. So Milton Williams, he was my number two defensive tackle that year. So it was Christian Barmore, Milton Williams. Oh, then they're together together. Levi owns Eureke.

Those are the, those are my top three guys. that year. Was there someone you missed on? Who was hiring? I was definitely, I was definitely, I was definitely, I was, Aline McNeil was, was, was, DT7. I was, and there were some people that were higher on him. I projected him as a starter. Yeah, right. I projected him as a starter, but not as like the high impact player they became. Also, diggyzoo, I graded as a starter. But who did I miss big on? Nobody big. Yeah, it doesn't look like it. Um, no one big for you were higher than

consensus on Milton. I was, I was definitely high, yes. Um, all right. So, real quick, we just zoom in. All right. So to your starter at Louisiana Tech, good height, lean frame, defensive end, defensive tackle hybrid, has gotten a lot better over the course of his career. High motor that chases in pursuit, good athlete,

rangy, good change of direction. Is it better for me to go through all the notes, or should I just read the final summary? Maybe I'll just read the final summary. Yeah, let's read the final summary. All right. So this is a high character kid with position flexibility who has added weight

and figures to be a full-time player inside. Converted edge rusher who just recently moved inside to tackle as a junior. He's a quick-twitch athlete with disruption ability against the run in the past, but he doesn't just rely on his feet to win. He has heavy hands to jar opponents on contact, and he plays extremely hard on every snap. He was consistently productive as a two-year starter, and I believe that will carry over to the NFL as a starting three-technique tackle who can slide up and down the line. He's a scheme-vers. He is scheme-versible as well, and he should be

able to find a home for anyone. For the Eagles specifically, because back then I would do just a little note for like an Eagles transition. I thought that he would be instant number three defensive tackle with the ability to provide starting quality reps for us very quickly, takes over for Fletcher Cox down the road. It was what I wrote pre-draft on Milton Williams. I compared him to Malik Jackson. I forgot that. Interesting.

Yeah, I compared him to Malik Jackson coming out. It doesn't have the same frame. Yeah. I mean, he was a guy. I remember watching for the first time. It was after Super Bowl, because he was a junior declaration, didn't watch him at all in the fall. he declared right before the senior bowl and I was like I'll watch him after the senior ball

and I was like oh man this guy is awesome he looks really really strong tested crazy well that's that was the year they didn't have the combine because of COVID so they didn't have the combine so he went to the pro day and he tested for a defensive tackle like all of those numbers were otherworldly 4-63 in the 40 yard dash

696 in the three cone 433 in the short shuttle 38 and a half inch vert I mean that just like outrageous numbers for that position. But yeah, there's my Milton Williams report. Pretty good. I mean,

you nailed it. I thought I hit that one. Yeah. Where was he on my, I had him 30 on my board. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

Good for you. This is a $26 million year player. Yep. Here's 30 on board. Yeah. Well, there go. More than Brady.

Wow. Geez. I mean, I want you to be here for a long time, but a team should hire here. That's a really good evaluation. It's a lot of strawberries. Yeah.

Uh, safety Texans, uh, Eric Murray signing with the Jaguars. That's where you're a deal. According to Maurice Jones, Drew. Oh, there you go. He would know. There you go. Now, somebody in the chat says Slay to the Steelers. I haven't seen that, but. Uh, Jordan Schultz just said, breaking, free agent cornerback, Darius Slay is signing with the Steelers. Wow. You called it, Zach. Nicely done. You know what? Sometimes you talk to people and they get out. Zach. No, no, no, no, no, no. You know what? You try to put a little, um, um,

seeds, little crumbs out there for the audience and maybe Sled to the Steelers was one of those crumbs. Oh, okay. Yes. You got any more crumbs? I'm hungry. Trying to intersperse them over the course of the show. That bagel looked good. Where was that bagel from?

The bagel place. Aptly named. Exactly. It's like a pancake shop. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Slai. How do you feel? I'm not surprised by this.

I actually think this is a good resolution for the Eagles. And I say that because I don't think the Eagles wanted to bring him back. And I think that if he was lingering. Because they want to set it up for Kulahree. Yes, exactly. And you did a great job identifying all these mid-level guys that are out there. It's a robust market for, I mean, I thought Isaiah Rogers was going to be in that. But I thought for like that $3 to $5 million cornerback, not the $5 to $10 million cornerback.

So it makes sense for the Eagles there. I don't know what the money is, but I imagine he's getting paid more than he would for the Eagles. And this is a good situation for Slay in that he joins a veteran team that's competing for a title. Okay. It's a team that, look, he would probably start over Dante Jackson. Yeah.

Right? They have Joey Porter Jr. on the other side. He has Mika Fitzpatrick, Deshawn Elliott at safety. Yeah. So it's a good second. D.J. Watt, Cameron Hayward, Keanu and Benton, I mean, Alex Highsmith, Dave, that's a good defense.

He has a very good relationship with Terrell Austin, their defensive coordinator. I think that this is, yeah, this is not a this is not a team where it's just like, all right, just pay me for my final year. This is a team that, by the moves they made, they trade a second round pick for D.K.

Mek-Kaff. They are trying to win, and Darius Lake could be part of the fabric of that team. So is your expectation, now that the Eagles will not really sign a front line corner, that they will let the market come to them, maybe add a Stephen Nelson type, the second week of free agency,

and they will set things up for Kili Ringo to take that job. Yeah, I would say everything except the second week of free agency. Maybe it's a guy that they signed the next three days, but I think in terms of price point, yeah, I would imagine it's a guy signing on their terms. It would surprise me if they turn around, and like I really like Paulson's, That's my favorite corner on the market this year, right?

But it would surprise me if they gave a corner $10 million. I don't think they're signing a corner to start over Keeley. I think they're trying to sign a corner to, I guess, compete with Keeley Ringo. We went through sort of the top of the market corners earlier in the show. But let me just read the free agent corners. Tell me if any of these names jump out to you, okay? Michael Jackson, Sr. No.

Byron Murphy. Brandon Stevens, who played a bunch of snaps for the Ravens last year. Michael Jackson, Sr. played for Clint Hurt in Seattle. So there could be a connection there. Hee-hee! It's a nice corner. I do like him. But I think he would be like that mark, that level of player that would be going to bring in to let Keeley compete with.

We've mentioned Benjamin St. de Justa. Noah Igbenagini. Talking about a nickel at that point, right? Yeah. Rasul Douglas. I think that's your marker too. Yeah.

If the bills are not bringing him back, that sort of does make sense to me. It's also a nice story for him. Go full circle. DJ Reed, probably out of their price range. Dante Jackson, Christian Fulton. What do you think about a Christian Fulton?

Too good? I liked him last year. And then, like that, like sign him last year, not this year, right? He had a decent year.

Excuse me, a decent year with the Chargers. Yeah. I haven't done a ton of work on him, to be honest, so I don't know if I can give a fully, from this past season. I don't know if I can give an educated follow on that.

There's a name. I'm waiting for you to say. Mike Hughes? Jonathan Jones. Eric Stokes. Kendall Fuller Shaq Griffin Nate Hobbs

Isaac Yadam Hugo Amati Akella Witherspoon Adory Jackson Waiting for our former First Round pick Or our former Syracuse No no no

Neither Ronald Darby No Tradavius White You got any Philly natives on there Darnay Holmes Not a Philly native Amani Oruaria

No filia adjacent Cam Sutton Kindle Vildal. I know. That's a long, non-joke. Asante Samuel Jr.

There you go. That's the name I was waiting for you to say. Okay. Asante Samuel Jr. What do you think of Asante Samuel Jr.? We discussed him earlier. I think I can be convinced on both ways.

One, yes, this is a zone corner through and through as ball instincts. Also, the book on him is he's not quite physical enough, not for this defense. But in terms of a maybe one year rebuild your value, go out and hit the market again next year. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, what a story that would be. It would be fantastic. And I think they did like him in the draft. Right. Yes. Like Fulton, I didn't watch a ton of the Chargers defense last year. So I can't give like a fully educated thought of a weird situation this year. Yeah.

We had a stinger, but like the Chargers sort of downplayed the significance of that injury. He said it was more severe than the team seemed to think it was. So something odd there. But that's a good level of. player? Yes. But I think he might command a little bit more money than, like, I think he would command comp-pick qualifying money for sure. What do you think? I mean, I was wrong on Isaiah Rogers, right? I mean, I tend to think that the, that, the third corner, the two, three corner is going to be two to five million dollars. But I'm, I was wrong about that. So I, yeah, it obviously depends

what the price is, but if the price is right, that's a guy, I'm assuming Paulson and Devo is too much for them, right? If Asante Samuel Jr. is 10 million plus, then no. If he's $8 million plus, then no. If he's in the $5 million range, then yes, absolutely. I do, you know, Les just tweeted this that I think is a good framing. Like, letting Slay and Rogers go and not replacing them, you're turning a position of need, a position of strength into a position of need, you know, it becomes much shallower. They do still have Eli Ricks there. Maybe they believe in Eli Ricks as the fourth corner on the outside.

But I do think they could use a veteran body there who could be counted on if need be. Yes. Now, and by the way, there's just quick quarterback news. We want to say, Justin Fields, favorite of mine goes to New York Jets, two years, $40 million or $30 million guaranteed. Does not keep them out of a quarterback market. but I imagine it allows them to kind of buy a year. Next year might be a better quarterback draft class.

We're also seeing a middle, middle class, a quarterback contract to VAL too. Because we haven't seen anybody with a $20 million a year number. Literally there's nobody actually even like remotely close to that. From a from beneath that, the biggest was a 10, 12 and a half for Gardner Minchu.

And then another one would be 25 Gino. So that's, that's interesting. That's the first one that's close to that right now in the quarterback market. So to get back to the corners, I would say that, Bo, you've done a great job over the years. I've worked with you, really identifying it as a position that does not age well. I would be more apt to go after, I mean, I know we joke about the affinity I have for former first-round picks, but kind of the reclamation project, you know, not to say Eric Stokes is the guy you go after, but that guy 25, 26 years old, who maybe just needs to be in a different situation. to what Russell Douglas was at one point,

then they go after a Russell Douglas now. Now, if it's someone like Kendall 4, who is inside, outside versatility, because I also, I know fans shudder when I say this, because I've received pushback, I don't think the Eagles have closed the door on Cooper to Gene playing the outside. I know he was so effective in this slot.

Full time, like when they're a nickel on the outside? Well, I think long term, that's how they project them. So it's just a matter of if it happens this year or the year after. But I think that if there's someone, one who they signed was inside outside versatility, I wouldn't rule it out. I mean, if, I use this, I say this because I think they feel this way that, let's say DJ Reed is a number two corner, maybe not like a true number one. He's making what, 15 million? Yeah, no, it's right. 16 million. Like that's what Cooper the Gene would be worth on the open market, whereas Jordan Lewis signed

for as the top, has the highest paid slot. What do he sign for today? I didn't see the number, but I got to imagine it's more valuable. Exactly. So, but here's the thing. But here's the though is that I feel like one player that well I shouldn't say that he got comp to but there were talks last year that a player that Cooper DeGine was similar to was Marlon Humphrey. Exactly. And Humphrey has played inside outside and Humphrey's deal is just

under 20 million a year. Like I think there is precedent for the guy that is your starting outside corner that comes inside especially in spots that can still get that money. And I think that's the way to use them. There's certain weeks where you're like we need him to be on the inside either for the run fits or against this slot receipts or

But then there were other weeks where where you're like, no, we we want him on the outside manning this guy up one on one. Yeah, it's interesting. I feel, do you think that we're just going to get nothing from the Eagles today? It's going to be all going, nobody coming. Apologies to Julio. That's a good one. Look, when I spoke to someone earlier, and of course they're saying this, but they're like,

yeah, we got nothing brewing. Now, again, if they had something brewing, it's not like, it's not like they're telling me something big is about to happen, right? But sometimes there's like radio silence. I mean, they're doing the work on everybody. Yeah. Right. And so there will be someone who they're surprised to find out.

Exactly. The market is more tepid on. And then they maybe will be able to jump in. And if you recall after the last Super Bowl, okay. So that's not the last Super Bowl win. lesser world they went to so the 23 off season day two was really the big day because that's when they brought back they brought back they brought back brad back brad brad brought back bradbury because day one they thought bradbury was going for a certain number they thought they would they hope they would

bring back c j garner johnson j bates went for a huge number cj garner johnson wanted jesie bates money they gave they were planning to release sleigh okay then they decided to bring sleigh back back. That all happened day two for the exact reason you mentioned because as much as we talk about how these deals happen before free agency, really a guy might have an idea of what he's going to get. If he doesn't get that, then the market changes, the price changes, and that's when the Eagles could swoop in. Zach? Yeah. Oh, no. We're on CNN. We're on CNN. Oh, wow. there you go this is your dream congratulations to you you're gonna get that white house beat call before you know it if they if the governor gets in very funny are you happy with the photo

uh can't tell actually was it a photo or it looks like it was video oh i thought it was a still i thought it was a still i thought that was video shout out to tim harris okay oh deep up tim harris i know that press office is pumped. They're getting a bank for their buck right now. No, it's video. Okay. Yeah, that's what I thought. Tim Harris.

Were you with me with the Kafka or was it, Tim? Yeah, I was with him. It was you? You were the shooter? I was with it. Yeah, it's too bad. What clip did they choose? I guess we're not watching it.

The one with the nudity. No, but no, I know, I, I know, but what answer was that I'm curious, which, which. Well, I think they played the audio. No, I'm watching it now. Oh. Right. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's funny.

Bo's voice. You have multiple. Oh, no, I got multiple seeds up here. Sorry. I was like, wow, Bo, you've really made it. You're on CNN. There go. There we go.

It was a great interview. You guys did. Thank you. Look at that. P.H.L.I. Sports. Thank you for that. Look. I like that. There you go.

We talked about, we talked about, I don't even need the White House beat. I got the Eagles beat is landing us in the White House. A lot of beat talk on BJ Hilday, you know? I have a feeling. 20 minutes too late, I apologize. I got to say not to open this can of worms,

but there's going to be a lot of like, interesting show conversation in June when the Eagles visit the White House and like how we navigate that one. We'll see if that happens or not. Cam Bynum, the Viking safety, going to the Colts. four-year $60 million deal.

Oh, 15, 15 per. Yeah, let's do another, let's do another, Fran scouting report. Oh, just in time for me to turn my laptop off. Oh, nice. I got you. Are you doing a minute? I wanted to save some battery.

I didn't bring my charger today. I should have thought, I should have bought the charger, knowing that we're going to be a three-hour pod. I mean, it's already time. We're 13 minutes out. We've got to start thinking how long we're going to take this bad boy. Oh, Puls and a D-Bowl off the board.

we talked about that have you been here no no I think he actually wasn't here he wasn't here for that one yeah yeah so that means it was two hours ago are you still not using the chronological Twitter are you really still not using

chronological no I I guess not should I do the Pals of the Debo's got here for it okay that's uh bears making a big move after addressing the interior of their offensive line, they are signing

Dio Odingbo. Off the board. The big defensive lineman from the Colts, versatile. You know what's funny? The Bears... How many different things are the Bears going to try? They keep signing these guys.

But, I don't know. I like Odingbo. All right, what part do you want? Let's do... How about Mackay Beckton? Oh, that's a good one. Sure. 20 20 all right so mackay beckton obviously that was a year when you had a bunch of

tackles go in the top half of the first round so jeddrich wills tristan werfs andrew thomas mkai beckton that was actually the order i had them in so i had wills is one worse two uh thomas at three and beckton at four my final it's a pectin man he was ginor so six seven and a quarter three hundred sixty four pounds uh just over 35 and a half inch arms my final report actually this was I did my reporting a little differently back then in terms of how I wrote guys up but um teams that value size and length up front will love mackay beckton but he's scheme and position versatile has some technical things to work out but his has the tools to overcome that early on while refining them a capable starter at left or right tackle who should be one of the better linemen in the league if he's able to hit his ceiling um i've got a much longer report uh i had questions about it was it was mainly like hand usage and things like that. Obviously all the all the tools were all there. But he was fourth on that list for me from that group. Yeah my the way I wrote guys up was a little bit different back then. So rather than me reading a long, uh, I'll just give you the the short version there.

But yeah, I watched five or six games from that final season and liked them, but wasn't, uh, wasn't over the moon. Still gave him a pretty big grade. Mike is breaking news in the chat. He says, oh, toning to the Dodgers. Wow. In your defense, I think, you know, you go to the site if that, if your, if your settings are for that to be your main thing, it'll, it's not going to change. I was driving in the, I was, I was in the car. Sorry. You don't have nothing to apologize for.

The social media was down. Which you're checking as you drive. I actually was today. Yeah, it wasn't working. He was going to drive in and beat you up. I'm sorry, Sheel. Three years, 48 million, so 16 per year for Odingbo in Chicago. If there is a, someone in the chat who you want to hear Franz Scouting Report.

Oh, there you go. Let's do that. Let's go ahead and do it. Let us know what you think. 10 minutes to go. We're going to close this thing right at the rain. I feel like, I mean, did you guys think that they were going to sign anybody today? I thought it was going to be a quiet day, equals wise.

Yeah, we spoke before the show how we're going to do more NFL. Yeah. No, it's what I mean. Just in terms of like, oh, like expecting anything. Yeah. I've been hoping to kind of flex more my NFL bona fides. So I thought I was doing this. Listen, you're right about the Cardinals.

I was hoping this show would be an opportunity to do that a bit. So, uh, yeah, this is fun. Yeah, great Paulson and Debo, uh, nugget there. Paul's in the deeming. He was my, look, I do feel, I don't want to say vindicated, but I, I feel I had an accurate gauge on his market. Yeah. I was where it was funny as we because you brought him up like 20 minutes ago 30 minutes ago

and you and I was like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's I blame Sequin. Do you have your 2018 notes? Yeah. What do you got?

BJ Hill. Huh. Of course. NC State. Yeah. Good NC State defense back then. Yeah, they were they were pretty good at being able to put players in the league. It was like every.

year they would have three or four players that was the same defense as bradley chip right oh bj hill was my 10th defense tackle bobby bj hill oh back then much less exciting depends on who you ask all right bj hill although bobby there's some connectivity a big kid with a good feel for playing at the point of attack his upside is limited not ready to play a major role right away but once he spent time in an NFL weight room and fixes his issues with pad level. He should be a serviceable run stuffer. I would like him to get a little bit better as a pass rusher as well, but that would be icing on the cake. I saw more of a primary run defender.

He's outperformed what I had for him. I had him as an average starter. I would say he's outperformed that, especially as a rusher. He's gotten a lot more disruptive. And again, back then I used to do like really long notes. I actually talked with a few people high up in like scouting when I would send them my notes. And they would say like, yeah, you got to like, you gotta tighten the eyes too much.

Like it's too much detail. Like they go, you want to try and like tighten it up and make the summary a little bit longer. So then you just have to read the summary. So it was right around this time. I hate that. I hate that feedback.

I actually, but no, it's actually good feedback. I think you need an editor. Everybody needs it like right. Well, yeah, everyone doesn't need that.

Well, no, you know, it's, I almost think of the, the, the great story from Jordan Rodriguez with the Rams, how they have like,

they're doing like emojis for scouting report. Like in terms of like, with traits and stuff. Rather than even write two sentences on this, just as easier as digest. Yeah, just like, you know, if we all know. If you trust,

yeah, if you trust the person giving the information, right. Then sometimes less is more. Yeah. Right. So back then, expertise.

Yeah, back then it was, I mean, this, a lot of words. How many words of that? Super chat from Ben TV says, any trade ideas for the edge? But Josh Heinz Allen.

I don't see Josh Heinz Allen getting traded. He just signed that. that mammoth deal. And I think he's actually a cornerstone player for him. But yeah, in terms of the trade market. I mean, listen, yeah, I do think if you're thinking about the Eagles making a big splash, a trade is is so much more. I mean, you know, free agencies, the best guys are basically already gone.

Yeah, let me look at some of the trade candidates. A trade thing is, is very possible. So Boe mentioned Tyree Wilson as a trade candidate. What's that? Yeah, I don't think that's not, that's not moving anybody's needles. No, but I'm just. as a guy who could potentially be traded. What about Josh Heinz Allen's running mate?

Trayvon Walker. Yeah. That would be a fascinating one to me. He's a good player. I don't think they're in the business of giving up good players, but if they're throwing a lot of money around, maybe they see that he's got in a wrong. He was a traits based pick.

Yeah. Trimbalk, he was more of a traits based drafter to the James Gladstone, or I should say relative to the Rams history, right? They already paid Josh Heinz Allen. Yeah. He has obviously that George, connection so the Eagles would have the infrastructure in in place but uh fran i think that's a wonderful

idea that would be one i'd be very yeah that's interesting i mean and then we don't even need to say it but georgia right have it all just said that did you yeah okay i apologize it's okay i've done it once or twice before yes that's true uh manifestible with the super chat says can fran do carson vinson he looked like a beast oh man deep cut sure Carson Vincent is a tackle from Alabama A&M from this year's draft class from this year. Yeah, it's from this year's draft class.

Big dude, six eight, right? Yeah, big kid, big kid. Look, I thought he got a solid week down in Mobile at the senior ball. It wasn't a, it wasn't a great week, but it was a solid week. Yeah, it's just over six foot seven, three hundred fourteen pounds. Here is my final write-up, which by the way, if you want all of the write-ups on all of these players, you can go to the draft database at all phto i become a diehard we've got the great deal going on right now so you can get uh access to all these but uh a five year starter in the swag at left tackle vincent is an athletic

kid with an underdeveloped frame that he will need to fill out hopefully that added weight comes with considerable uh gains from a play strength standpoint because right now he just does not have enough sand in his pants to take on a bull rush and he does not create enough movement at the point of attack for a guy playing at a lower level of competition he gave up a lot of production and was penalized a lot. He didn't look outstanding against the one SEC team that I studied him against developmental project that will need a ton of work while also proving that he can play both left and right tackle because he's been in a left tackle only at Alabama A&M. That is awesome. What's the Alabama A&M film like? So that's the one good thing about when they do play like an SEC team.

It's like, all right, like, so the one that I watched, they played Auburn. And I was like, all right, that's the first game I'm going to watch. Alabama A&M is not, that. That's a, That's not a bad one. You get into some of those schools, though, and it's, you know, like, you get to, like, Sacramento State and, like, some of them, it's, it could be tough. Because I, I don't have the same access to the film database that you have, right? But I remember when I was doing some J-Ox hunt work before the draft last year,

like two weeks before, because I admittedly didn't know much about him during the season. Right. And so, like, two weeks before when his name was servicing and I was looking it up, and I was like, I need a better camera angle here. I need something that I can, I can see this. guy more. Yeah, it's rough. Sometimes you get to those tools and it's like you have fun finding the fun things in the in the background. Like you get, oh, you get a bouncy house there in the end zone and things like that. But yeah, Vincent, he is one where I will overweigh the senior ball or that kind of

experience where it's like, because you're getting him against that level of competition, as opposed to what he was doing against, you know, crambling. Right, exactly. There's an interesting report from Tom Pelliserro that says the Eagles haven't officially released Darius Slay. I saw that. Yeah. Right. And so it's possible that this would be like a deal that the Eagles are working out with the Steelers

on Darius Slay. Interesting. But either way, Slay is going to the Steelers, but it hasn't been officially transacted yet. Yeah, I thought they were going to do with the start of the league year in terms of the release and they would give him, but that makes sense. But maybe, you know, look,

probably why not. Take it. Yeah. We're just a trade. Take a seven from you. Exactly. A flop of seventh round picks. CDP, before we close out, says, did John Snyder trade, D-K, and sign Donald? Too close to Tyler Lockett is getting doged day.

And that's a reference to the last week, Tyler Lockett's Day. Right. Right. Which I didn't quite understand. All right. Seattle sentiment. Fran, I want one more scouting report from you. Okay.

And it is from 20. 2020. Okay. And this is going to be because when the Eagles explain what they've done in free agency, they're going to say we didn't do much because the biggest edition we made was resigning Zach Bonn. And so I want to know what your scatter report was on Zach Bond coming out as this positionless player.

Yep. I had him with my edge group coming out because that's kind of how he was you. that's how he was used for Jim Leonard's defense. I did give him an average starting grade. Smart pass rusher who could win in a couple different ways. I do like his versatility. I like his toughness. He's a really fun watch.

At the end of the day, I don't think that he's going to be a team's A1 rusher, but I think he can be a complimentary piece, particularly as a 3-4 Sam linebacker, could also convert to Will linebacker down the road. Wow. Good work. You hit on the head. How about that? Well, I was still,

I was very high. I was pretty high on the grade, man, that was a brutal edge class, just looking at the other names around him. I'm trying to think, though, that I was going through some old photos on my phone. And I, I take, If you're watching on Fast, thank you very much. You've been in it the whole time. Applaus to you.

We'll check out the rest of this episode on all page, www.com. I was, I searched Indianapolis on my phone. So I got all the photos from Indianapolis. And I found a few Zach, uh, Zach Bond photos from the combine. a few years ago. The ZB. Yeah. ZBZB.

I was doing, I guess I was doing the story on potential edge rush targets. And that was one of the guys I spoke to. How do you feel about the Zach with a K? I'm not in favor of it. I mean, I prefer Zach with H. But because my,

I think I've expressed this on the show, Zach with H is shortening the name. If your name, so if you spell Zachary with a K, I don't mind reducing it. But if you, if you're, Give a name is Zachary.

And then you reduce it to Zach and you put it with K. You're creating a new name. Right? Yeah. So that's my objection. This Zach, because Zach's with K's will say, you're not Zach,

you're Zatch. And I was like, no, what I'm doing is I'm taking Zachary and just cutting out the ARY. Right? Yeah. So I actually,

I don't mind Zach with a C because it's the same, you know, it's still part of your name. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I feel like the Zach with a C is a little unsirious. okay uh but zach with a k yeah i you owe a zach tower uh right is with the city but i i only um i have more respect for

the zach with a k if it's short for zach with a k yeah or if you're not zach at all if you just zach on the birth certificate okay okay uh but shout out to zach rosamblatt shout out to zach bond not necessarily in that order but maybe in that order how about the za k like Zach Kiefer. Yeah, I've, I've less, I've less interest in that one. But Zach Kfer is awesome. Shots fired. No, I've, I've told Zach with a K that, that you don't like his name?

I don't like a spelling, but I love the work. Yeah, I mean, sometimes I, I would gladly take his work any day. And his job is awesome as too. But, yeah, Zach with a K is awesome. Zach Kfer. You're not, you don't think he's just going to let that slide by. What? What?

What? You just extended the show by at least 10 minutes. Wait, no, no. No, what? Did I say something that's going to be held against me? Yes. What I said? No, you just made it clear that you wouldn't, you don't want to have this job.

That's all. I think he's a national feature writer. That is, that is an awesome job being a national feature writer. I love my job. major um um but national feature writer is a different job than the job i have that's a that's you are saying a better job it's a great job that he has it's a different me i'm happy to be here with the sickos this is where it's right where i want to be did you guys remember this with uh zach bond's high school profile uh that he was a so he was a high school quarterback option quarterback i did

know that um had the gray shirt when he first got to wisconsin because he was a that had never played defense at all. Great Dunker in high school basketball. Rand High school track 100 meter, 200 meter, great high jumper. Also played the base in orchestra. Was it Deer Valley? Is that the high school? Brown Deer. Brown deer

It was the name of the town. I don't think I don't have the high school name back then. I did now. His position coach at Wisconsin. Former Eagles assistant. At Wisconsin? At Wisconsin. This is a note I had written

down. Bill Shuey. Nope. His father was also a former Eagles assistant in the same era. Known for giving weekly press conferences

that would be. Bobby April Jr. Bobby April Jr. Bobby April Jr. He was his position coach in Wisconsin. Nice. That's a good one.

Yeah. I haven't think we have a couple of super chats before we leave. Kirk says, who do you think on the Eagles roster is most likely to help them move up in the first round of the draft

this year? well good question so I actually don't know if there's a player that would help them move up but I think to Bose to something Beau has been on top of throughout the off season

if the Eagles are counting on high compics then I think they'll be more aggressive with picks for next year like maybe they'd be more apt to include their second rounder in a trade next year knowing that they could have three well they already have

two third rounders right now is the Hassan Reddick trade, right? So now if you get a third round compick, you know you have three third rounders. So maybe... What about the one they traded for Johnson? That's this year's draft. Oh, yeah, right.

Yeah. So next year, if they get a third round compick, they have three third round picks. Yeah. So maybe they're like, all right, we'll package our first and our second next year to move up into the late teens.

That's a good point. So I can see that. I honestly don't see a player that they have really moving the needle with that as we've taught, or as you guys talked about before I came on, Dallas Goddard's market isn't, you're probably looking at the highest being a fourth is my guess.

I don't think any of the, like if they traded Sydney Brown, I don't think Cindy Brown's netting you that much. I don't think they're trading from their offensive line. I will say this, by the way, one thing I should have mentioned earlier, a move that I thought could happen today was a Cam Juergens contract extension,

which obviously has not happened yet. And the Drew Dalman contract, probably good in terms of figuring out what that's going to be like. That's good point. Good point. All right. The Bengals are bringing back Samadjapirang and the Jaguars have signed Diami Brown.

It was a Jason Light quote tweeted Dove Clyman. Because Dove Clyman tweeted out, I don't want to say, call it reported, but tweeted out that the bucks that were signing Samajai Piron and Jason Light quote tweet and said, no, we aren't. here go the Broncos are signing uh teleno who funga yep what do we have terms

nope yeah man Dammy Brown that Brown's getting that he's getting that 2 2 2 at well money man one for 10 up to 12 he did some good things for Washington down the stretch yeah yeah

all right here's the deal we are going to close this show but we're staying here we are at the ready for an emergency podcast for, I would say, a very low bar. Any Eagles player coming or going, we're going live. Might be short, might be long, but we're going to be here. We're going to hang out.

So you stay tuned to the news as we are. And hopefully we will see you soon a lot over the next, you know, 48 hours, 72 hours or whatever. And if not anything before tomorrow at 2 o'clock, we're back here in studio, 2 o'clock. So much to look forward to. actually we also have the draft show tomorrow at noon. Yes. So we're going to see lots of you. Thanks for watching and hanging with us for the last three hours.

Thanks for the super chats. Thanks for the BJ Hill jokes. And a pretty, a couple more beers and drink over there. Not really. Just got the one. So anyway, thank you to Julia and Chris for making it all happen. We will talk to you later,

whenever. Three years, 45, including 20 million guaranteed for Hufanga. That's a lot of money. He's a good player when healthy. He's run healthy and that's the big thing. Okay. Interesting. All right.

So for Fran and Zach, we thank you for watching and listening. We are ready at the drop of a hat to go live again. So stay tuned to that. But for now, we thank you for watching and listening. And as always, we love you.