PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles Free Agency, Day 2: Exodus! Howie Roseman trades C.J. Gardner-Johnson

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

The high-profile departures continue for the Eagles as the league year begins, with C.J. Gardner-Johnson joining Josh Sweat, Milton Williams, Isaiah Rodgers and Oren Burks as the members of the best defense in football who have left the Eagles since the start of the tampering period. What’s next for Roseman? Will we have a Dallas Goedert resolution soon?Join Fran Duffy, Zach Berman and Bo Wulf as they unpack the big moves and react to news around the league as it happens. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P. H. H.H.L. Y. Eagles show on a beautiful Tuesday afternoon, Bo Wolf, Fran Duffy, Zach Berman, the second day of the legal tampering period. And another day in which the Eagles have seen one of their key players leave. This time by trade, we talked about it a little bit earlier, but we can dive into it more in this episode as we also figure out what else is going on around the league. CJ Gardner Johnson, no longer an eagle, traded to the Houston Texans for a swap of day three picks. in 2026 and Kenyon Green, the 15th overall pick in the 2022 draft, 2021 draft. But 22. 22. You were right the first time. You were right. You were right. 24.

22. 25. Super. We're... Five. We're broadcasting for our jobs today, so you got me a little worried. Surprise, it's going to be me. One of the things on YouTube is if you say something to tease, you have to follow through.

So I guess we're going to find this out. I mean somebody can leave it. It doesn't mean forever. I hope not. CJ Garna Johnson back. Well, Ch. Garna Johnson will probably be back

next year with the Eagles, right? Just one on one off. I mean, it's a very tempestuous relationship. The sex must be amazing. Anyway, let's talk about,

here's my question. I mean, they got to the two Super Bowls. Here's my question with C.J. Garan Johnson. We are we talking about this on the Anthony Gargano show? This is the time

when they tell the truth. I know that as you have framed it, Zach, C.J. Gardner-Johnson probably wanted an extension. He is, you know, by the level of play on field, probably underpaid at this point. He's still young. You know, he probably deserves an extension. But there is something to the fact that this is now five teams in five years.

How much do you think this was the Eagles just sort of, we can't do this anymore? We got to move on. We got to figure out something a little bit more stable in our locker room. It's a fair question. It's an unfair. No, it's a fair question. I don't, I can't sit here today and say that was the impetus for it.

I mean, is this trade really being made because of the Twitter spat between him and Darius? No, I don't think it's anything like that. I do think this is more financially motivated than football motivated. Okay. Now, not to say that. Or culture motivated. You think it's, you think it's really the contrast. No, I think it's more financial motivated than it is culture motivated.

Now you can say in professional football, finances and culture tend to blend together at some point. True, good point. But I think that. We've been talking about this now for a few months, how the Eagles were prepared to make difficult decisions. And there is, I think, a perception that all the Eagles are so good at contracts, they can fit everyone in. That's not the case.

Like there's only so many big contracts you can have on your books. And in addition to that, they also, they do midterm and long term planning. This is not a front office that is planning to be gone. after the season, right? So it's not as if it's like 20, 25 or bust here in Philly. So they look at some of these contracts coming up, I think the big one's Jalen Carter, right? And they recognize that if you give an extension to somebody now, or you give an extension to someone after this season, that's money that's coming away from money that you, from contracts you have to give out, number one. And then number two, there are positions where

are that are going to be in transition in the in the next few years where the eagles might want to add there are contracts that are low cap numbers now that are that are swelling the eagles prepare for the cap rising but they also recognize that they can't pay third you know second and third contracts at every spot and i think safety is one of those spots where they were resigned to the fact that they they weren't going to be able to pay both these guys and i would imagine c j gardner johnson's a contract would have been expensive So let's actually talk this through the long-term planning of it.

Next off-season, you're doing a monster Jalen Carter deal, most likely. The following off-saintiff... Potentially, Nolan Smith as well. Potentially, you could do Nolan Smith next off-season or you could do it the following off-season. You... Yeah, I guess you're probably doing it next off-season.

The year after that, you're probably doing Cooper de Gene. And Quinyon. Maybe you wait a year on Quinyon because he has the fifth-year option, right? But you probably don't pay one of them without paying the other. So that's what I'm saying. Maybe it's like the same thing.

day, yeah. Which is also part of the reason why I kind of think it's low key that they might go offense early in this year's draft because at some point that scales are going to change, right? But so those are all big deals. You know, Jalen Hertz is not going anywhere. AJ Brown's not going anywhere. Devante Smith's not going anywhere. Those big contracts are going to still be there. So that is definitely part of it.

But from a football standpoint, how concerned are you about filling out the rest of this defense right now? Well, I'm concerned from the, look, they don't play until September. I get that. This is a team that has a dubious recent history at safety. Like, that's fair to say. And C.J. Gardner Johnson helped fix that. The years when they've been good at safety since Malcolm left is when they had C.J. Gardner Johnson on their team.

I don't think that's coincidence. And there is a leap to suggest that Sidney Brown is ready for that job. Now, we'll see if they add a veteran. We'll see if they draft somebody. We'll see if they trade for someone. Like there's still a handful of moves that could be made. But on the surface, and Howie Roseman has tried to telegraph this, he said more than ever, the young guys are going to have to play.

Sidney Brown, a high third round pick, is one of those young guys who I think they want to see play. And it's a leap to suggest that they'll get starting level production from him when we haven't seen that in the two years he's been here. Yeah, Fran. And what would worry you more week one, starting Sidney Brown at safety or Keelie Ringo at outside corner? I think in this defense, it would probably be...

So I would say, in this defense, it would be Sydney Brown because they put so much on the safeties in this defense. That said, when you have the talent that you have at Quinnian Mitchell and Cooper Deghine and Danez made this point on Friday, whoever the third corner is... You're going to get peppered. If it's not someone that's pedigreed, yeah, they're going to get peppered.

And so you want to make sure that that guy is up to the task. Now, in year three for Kili Ringo, you would anticipate that, all right, if the time is, if the time's going to happen, you would imagine it right now is the time for that to take place. What did you think of Sidney Brown coming out? I gave him a backup grade. I wasn't as high on him from a, like, you know, late day two. I saw him more as like a midday three. Red star player for the Eagles.

Well, that was, you know, and that's the thing is like I didn't see him as, I didn't know that quality in terms of like the character. with him. But, you know, I think that we've seen some of the limitations there in terms of the volatility playing downhill as a tackler. You know, I know he got used in the slot as a rookie. That is, that has never been a role where I saw him thrive. And even like watching them in that rookie season, they played a lot of underneath zone coverage and that's fine, but you're not going to ask him to play one-on-one against slot receivers the way you ask Cooper to gene to. Like that's not, that's not Sydney Brown's game. And so, you know, yeah, I see him as more of a backup. I want to, like, the

The Sydney Brown experience, boy, is it fun to watch. Yeah. I mean, like, he plays so hard. He's running full speed on every single snap, does not care about his body at all. Plays with complete abandon. And so, like, if it works, boys, he's going to be like a fan favorite. He's going to be so awesome to watch. But it is also true that the injury is part of it, but he did not ingratiate himself to Vic Vanjo this year.

I would be surprised if there's not a little bit of a tension between. and Howie Roseman and Vic Vanjo just in terms of how they see Sidney Brown. I am not convinced that this move definitely means that they're paving the way for Sydney Brown. I agree with you there. Yeah, I agree that too. Yeah, I'm just not sure that it's like a surefire starter that they sign, that they turn around. You know, it could be an aging veteran like a Justin Simmons type. Yeah.

It could be a younger rotational guy who's competing with him. But when the Eagles have gone after you're Anthony Harris to. Edmonds, it hasn't worked exceedingly well. No. Now, Fran has pointed out there's some good safeties in this draft. It's not in the Eagles nature to, you know, take safeties early, as we've seen. Like, they struggle with Jaquant Jarrett. Nate Allen was fine.

But other than that, they- Over a decade ago. Yeah. But I'm saying the past decade, they haven't taken safeties in the first two rounds. Sidney Brown was the earliest safety they had taken. So you wanted to- We did say the same thing last year, though, about Quarrow. That's true. That's true. Yeah. So it could be a year when they go.

But I think even then we cautioned about corner that they had been willing to take a corner early. It just had it had been circumstantial. Whereas I don't know that first round, you know, Malachi Stark would be a different conversation because, you know, they've got all the touchpoints on Georgia. He would seem to fit. But I think they are probably a little bit tepid on that front. But we'll see. But I did want to follow up with you on this idea that you had about, I don't know, tensions the right word. but like the evaluation might be different. Tension is probably too strong. I don't mean to say that there is like, like, you know, emotional tension. No, but I just that I think they probably view them differently. Yeah, but well, with Sydney, I would agree. But I, but my guess is that they're not moving on from C.J.

Garner Johnson unless Vic Fangio is saying like, yeah, we can, we can survive without, without CJ. Yeah. I think that's true. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think that is Vic loves somebody in the building necessarily, but I think he's okay with no longer having C.J. Gardner Johnson. Like I think, and due respect to Sean Desai, when Sean Desai was here, I didn't think

he had much juice with personnel. I think that Vic Fangio has juice with personnel. Same thing with his coaching staff. Well, you talk about the juice in the building because what I would say is from my understanding, CJ Gardner Johnson's biggest champion in that building was Nick Siriani. Yes. Like Nick Siragani loves CJ Gardner Johnson, loves the energy he brings, loves the competitiveness, the, as you would say, the competitive zeal that he brings on the field. And so that's a little bit interesting to me. I know I think he probably also understands that if C.J. Garner Johnson wants this money, we can't afford to pay him. We don't fight him at that. Better to move on now. But it is just interesting that I would say he is the guy who would be most in his corner.

Yeah, that is fair. He has been a champion for CJ. And look, he's aware of if there are any lacquer room dynamics. I can't speak to that. There clearly was something weird going on with Slay and with CJ. I don't. And then Slay. Like retweeted a thing today. Yeah. Look, I do think Slay's point last week and we talked about it, I think Reed Blanketship has a lot of respect in that locker room. I think the veterans in that room view Reed Blanketship as like the leader in that locker room. And you have pointed out in your reporting in the past that when CJ came here, at first, some of those veterans had to have to be like, well, hold up, you know, you're not in charge here.

Right. This is the kind of, you know, supplement the conversation. I'm not deviating from it, but when I was driving in, I was thinking about this because there is this thought from, I think, from fans and certainly from some radio hosts, why don't they just run it back? And you've pointed out to me in the past that they're, and correct me if I'm wrong or kind of explain this forward, that defense's performance has more variability year to year than offense performance. is that fair to say? Very much so. Yeah. So like the idea of like bring everyone back on defense,

it's hard to say you'll be the number one defense again because there's just more variability year to year. I think they want more continuity on offense than on defense. Yeah, for sure. I mean, just look at what happened in 2023. Yeah. They brought that, I mean, they lost Jeff on Hargrave, right? I guess they lost linebackers and safety Marcus Epps.

But they brought back James Bradbury and Darius Lay. That didn't work out very well. Now I think you would, if you're making the bull case for this defense, they're very young. You would think that those guys are still improving. But, yeah, I mean, five of the 11 guys who started the Super Bowl are now gone. So I don't think you can count on the defense being the best defense in football next year. I think you're just hoping that they are top quartile.

You probably weren't, even if they bought 10 of the other back, chances are they weren't going to be the number one defense in football anyway. Right. Yeah. I also think, too, you know, we talk about how he's saying young guys need to play. And this goes to your point about, you know, how Hallie and Vic might view a player. Howie historically has had an affinity for the players he's drafted, right? And has wanted to see them get opportunities.

As every GM probably does. Sure. I mean, like my frame of reference is covering the Eagles. But yeah, so that's where I'm curious to see how Vic kind of views the internal options at safety, the draft options, the free agent options. But safety is a spot we've seen in the past where you can sign veterans at reasonable rates. And, you know, I know Justin Leonard, I'm sorry, Justin Simmons spoke to Pat Leonard saying that, like, he has his eyes on Christian Parker and Vic Fangio, but there are players

who have backgrounds with Vic Fangio who could become available. Justin Simmons, you mentioned. Julian Blackman is a possibility. Justin Reed is still out there. There are a few safeties. The rest of them are sort of 30 years or older or lesser players. Those are the three that jump out on the top. Do you think that they're going to sign somebody like that over the next couple days? Yeah, but I don't think major money. I think a small deal to like a Torrell Edmonds type deal is the way I would view it. Yikes. Or like an Anthony Harris type deal where you're not signing a guy to, you're signing a one year contract. You're signing a player on a one year deal to compete with the draft pick you have. Yeah. Now we we don't need to get into this a ton. We did mention it on the earlier show, but it's a question for Vic next time we talk to him.

which I'm sure it won't be for a while. But does Cooper DeGine factor into this long-term planning at all? I don't know. Well, you made the point, and I don't see it. I think that was, I always viewed safety as the fail-safe option for DeGine. Sure. If it doesn't work a corner, and in year one, it worked really well. I think that it's more likely Cooper to Gene.

It's an outside corner than a safety long-term. A couple super chats to check out here. everybody reacts to this big day from Dinkleberg. I don't buy that they traded him to make room for extensions. They had Carter, Smith, Davis, and Juergens in the building already. When they signed CJ to the deal they did, they knew what was coming. I don't know if that's fair. I mean, Nolan Smith a year ago did not look like a player who you were going to be concerned

about extending the earliest opportunity. I don't know that they're even going to do it with Jordan Davis. And I think you look at the way that this contract was structured. I mean, it's not onerous for them to move off of it right now. It's, I'm actually, are you surprised, Zach, at the value that they got in return? Do you think it's a little bit less than you might have expected? No, it's, I suppose it depends your evaluation of Kenyon Green. Yeah.

Houston was just giving him away. But, no, when they, when the contract came out, I remember you and I talking about it. We did an emergency show when the numbers came out and saying, like, they can get out of this after one year if this doesn't work. Like, this is a team-friendly deal. And I'm sure after the year he had, he probably recognizes that. Yeah. But to, is it Dinkleberg? To Dinkleberg's question.

The honorable Dinkleberg. I think a big difference here, Dinkleberg, is that the Eagles, a year ago when they signed to J. Garner Johnson, would not have fathomed the world where one year later they would be giving a linebacker $16 million. And Howe even alluded. to this at the combine where he's like the way things happened this year kind of changed some of our planning. I think the plan might have been for them to have, you know, inexpensive linebackers and maybe linebackers that they draft and develop on rookie deals. It was never to have a linebacker

top five in the league. So, yeah, and he obviously signed before Quinnion, Mitchell and Cooper Dachene were drafted. Milton Williams got 26 million a year. yesterday. Miles Garrett signed for $40 million a year the day before. Where on that, where is Jalen Carter closer to on that ledger? Is he closer to 40 or is he closer to 26 per year? Well, it's going to have a three in front of it.

It's going to have a three in front of it. I'll split the difference. Yeah. Right? So. I think so, too. I was going to say 33 and a half and split the difference, right? I think it's going to be like, yeah, $38 million a year.

Yeah, I mean. Something crazy, right? And that's like the reality that... Exactly right. That's the reality. But if the cap goes up another $15 million, you know. It's still money they've got to pay though. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, listen, like the cash willingness is also a big factor here. You know, the egos have always been out front with Jeffrey Lurie in terms of their cash spending relative to the rest of the league. That may not last forever. That's possible that that's part of this calculation here. You talked, Zach, you know, how we sort of hinted at this kind of move at the combine that these are the kinds of moves that they were going to have to make

preaching patience. Do you think that this move, the CJ Gardner-Johnson move, makes it more or less likely that Dallas Goddard finds a similar fate? I don't think those two things are tied, but I'm thinking more and more that Dallas Goddard's not going to be here.

I think the only way Dallas Goddard's back, I shouldn't say the only way. The way Dallas Goddard's back is if the rest of the league isn't as interested in Dallas Goddard as Dallas Goddard hopes they would be. The most the most comparable thing is Josh Sweat last year, as Fran pointed out earlier. I think you had said that. Like the Josh Sweat situation. We've done like 10 shows. Who knows who said what? Who knows what body part belongs to who? So yeah, it's that it's go see what your market is. If there's a team willing to pay you

and they'll give us a pick, then we'll make that move. But if there's not a team willing to pay him, then I think the compromise is a one-year deal. You restructure a one-year deal. You guarantee the money this year at a lower number. Go ahead. Along that I asked the question about Jalen Carter. We know that Nolan Smith also when we talked about it, would they extend him first or not?

But where's Nolan Smith going to be? Because you're looking at him too. I mean, Dio and Dengbo got $16 million yesterday. Alex Highsmith got $17 million last summer. Chase Young got $17 million. million. Nolan Smith is going to be, Gregorstow got 20.

That Chase's on contract. Maybe the worst of the offseason so far. Yeah. It depends. I like them coming out. But I mean, but that's all that to say. Nolan Smith is going to be up there, 20 million.

Like, they have some big contracts coming up that they have to make sure they take care of. And then there's one, it's not an elephant, it's not an elephant in the room, but it's an elephant on the elevator right now. Like it might be coming to the room. Jeez, that's that poor elevator.

I think it's going to come crashing down. We just got it fixed like a month ago. You want to break it again? Can elevators go? Can elephants go downstairs? The Buffalo bills ripped up Josh Allen's contract with three years left on it, right? Jaywin Hertz is now the 10th highest paid quarterback in the NFL. He just won the Super Bowl.

There are guys who keep getting, you know, like Tua makes more. You know, there are guys who keep making more than Jaywin Hertz. At what point does Jaywin Hertz say, I just won the Super Bowl. I was a Super Bowl MVP, right? And so, or at what point do the Eagles say, like, Jalen, you know, we want to get ahead of this the same way Buffalo got ahead of now. It's probably a year early for that. I think Josh Allen deal was signed in 20, I don't know if it was 22 or 21, but Buffalo got

ahead of him on the MVP contract year after the MVP season. But I think that's always something you have to keep in mind is that the more quarterback sign and Jalen goes down that list, Jalen will look up. He will presumably look around it and say like, wait, what about me? Yep. Is it horses who can only go upstairs but not downstairs? Is that right?

Is that right? I thought it was like bears can't run up, they can't run downhill. Okay. I don't assume that elephants are the same with stairs, but I think that's a thing with horses. Could be wrong. They go up and walk upstairs, but they can't walk downstairs. The momentum just. Okay, so we're missed on the, oh, player one thinks it's cows.

It might be cows. That might be right. That might be right. I think that was, it's like a, it's one of those things where you hear like a, um, an urban legend of like a senior prank in high school where people got, like they got, they got, they walked cows upstairs into a lobby and then they weren't able to get the cows out because they couldn't go down the stairs. Did you do that?

Yeah, I was going to say. I just said urban legend. I didn't. You heard the story. Okay. Yeah. I'll take your word for it. That's what it'll earn urban legend is.

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I like that. Really get them worried. I like that. Super chat for you, Fran, about how you viewed Lewis seen coming out of the draft. Do you think that he is a realistic possibility to contend for a role in the defense? contend for a role sure and i think that there are people in the building that are excited about what he could be um obviously look he was on the market in uh december december when uh when they brought him in for a reason uh and this is a player that had high pedigree coming in he was a big

time recruit coming out of high school um was actually coached by uh by dion sanders uh you know played with chador at trinity christian in texas but uh six two just under 200 pounds uh i'll really quick, just read my report on him. Two-year starter for the Bulldogs in their split safety scheme where he lined up to the boundary and was an outstanding top-down defender. Great run defender in all areas and an extremely sound tackler. He was just an average

athlete, which does cap his ceiling. But even if he had shown a bigger knack for big plays in college, I would be willing to forgive that because he's not a liability in coverage. Showed the ability to read routes from depth as a pattern match player. The ceiling has a good starter, but feel better about him as just a really good

solid starter just because of the lack of impact plays over the course of his career. I was not as high on him as others. During the pre-draft process, people were mocking him like mid-round one or late-round one. I just thought he didn't quite make enough plays on the ball for me. I just thought he would be more of like a just solid dependable player. Obviously the injury, I mean, he suffered an injury over in London as a rookie that really kind of derailed his season and just struggled to catch on in that new defensive scheme after

that. So, you know, they're banking that they can get something there. And maybe there is. But I don't know that you can, you certainly can't go into the scene. Yeah, you're not planning. Yeah, you're not planning. Anything they get from him would be a pleasant surprise. No question. Yeah. Okay. Um, we didn't talk much yesterday about the Orrin Burke's deal. Yeah. Touched on at the little recap video that we did at the end of the day. By the way, check out the PHLY video channel. In addition to all these live shows, we are just gorging you on content. So check that stuff out. Orrin Burke signs a two-year, $5 million deal with the Cincinnati Bengals, $2.5 million a year.

Was that something that you would have matched if you were to the Eagles? I think that this is another thing where they're turning to young guys. I think that's an endorsement for Jeremiah Trotter Jr. I think Jeremiah Trotter Jr. is someone who they factor into their plans. Now they viewed Warren Berks when they signed him as a third linebacker slash special teams player. Best third linebacker in the league, how he told him, Siriani. Yes. And I don't know if it's the same role for Jeremiah Trotter Jr.

I think Jeremiah Trotter Jr. might make sense as your Nekobi Dean replacement while Nicopi's coming back from injury. But when Nicopi's back, that might be a slot for Trotter. He's a different type of player than Warren Berks. But I don't think the Eagles were probably looking to spend money at that third linebacker spot this year. Confirm or deny that you have offered to drive Orenbergs to Cincinnati. Deny that. I enjoy

Orrin Berks. This is your dream, I thought. I'm a little busy right now. I drive to Cincinnati. I looked it up, actually. Not for this. When my plane... Okay.

I see how that could be interpreted as it did. Do you remember after the Bengals game? I remember this. I was stuck in the Cincinnati airport for like eight hours. And I'm like, does it make sense just around? a car and drive home. And so I had looked up how far it will be the drive from Cincinnati to Philly. And what was the answer? It's like nine hours. Yeah. I would have done it. You would have done it? Yeah. I like a long drive. But you're so inefficient when you're sitting in the car. Of course.

Except if you're just sitting in the airport, you're getting... Getting work done. That's exactly what I did. Yeah. So right now... You can find a way to be efficient in other ways. Think of all the calls you could have made in the car. Yeah, but right now I need time in front of my computer writing. and driving the Cincinnati would not be a prudent use of my time. What if he was driving? Oh, then yeah, I would love that. That'd be great. That'd be great.

I could catch up with the Warren. So if Oren finally came through and said, Zach, I would like to do this road trip with you. Let's go to Cincinnati. I'm going to need you to drive. You would turn him down because of the time of year? Well, framed like that, that's hard to turn down because that's valuable bonding time with Oren.

Yeah. It's probably a story, too. Probably, yeah. I mean, now I enjoy Orrin Burke's company. I don't know if that's like a big, you know, subscribe to all-P-H-L-Y.com to read about my drive with Orrin-Burks. You keep crushing this guy. I thought you loved him. Well, let's not use the word love.

I mean, I enjoy chatting with Orrin Berks. I find him to be a nice guy, stand-up guy. Of the, he said, the original question was the people I would drive to Florida with on the team. Orrin Berks is among them. Yeah, I find him the beat. I thought it was the top of your list. Pretty sure he was number one. Yeah.

No, I think I said Jalen. Yeah, I think that might be right. I definitely said Jalen. You'd give me, if Jalen's stuck in the car with me for, what is that, 20 hours? That would be the most one-sided conversation that there has ever been. I once had a conversation with Jailen on the phone where I said to him, you know, the conversation was about how he learns from every interaction. Okay?

Have I ever told you this story? And I said to jail on, so we're about like 15, 16 minutes in. And I said, what have you learned about this interaction? And he said that you ask a lot of questions. True story. I went back and listened to this interview last week. He said that you ask a lot of questions. And so it would probably be like that.

You would not have crossed the last. state line from Pennsylvania into Delaware before you said thanks for the no cell Jalen like for him just not responding maybe you're probably right I don't know that you would talk to him that way my read on the Orrinberg's thing is it's to me it's less about

an endorsement of Jeremiah Trader Jr. and more just Vic we paid Zach Bond for you we paid your linebacker you're going to have to figure out that other spot like we're going to give you we might sign a veteran for you know the veteran minimum.

We might draft another guy on day three. You've got to figure it out until the Kobe Dean comes back. That is your job. Do you take it the same way with Isaiah Rogers and Keely Ringo? I think it's a little bit different there. I think they will add somebody of baseline competence in their eyes. Whereas at linebacker, I don't expect much like, you know, Jack Sanborn might be like the guy that they add. Yeah.

You love yourself some Jack Sanborn. You just keep bringing them up. But yeah, no, I agree with Bo. I think $8 million guaranteed was probably more than they were looking to go with the Rogers. I do think they were interested in Rogers. But that was a more robust market than maybe, well, certainly than I thought. Let's check out the other super chats that we have here. From Joe Rockhead.

Oh, no, we got the Lewesian one. Entrepreneur says CJJ's comment to Travis Kelsey about Taylor seemed mean-spirited. The hoodie was tactless. And with the sleigh drama, Lurie likely made the call to, trade him. I don't think this came from the ownership level. Yeah, I don't think, uh, no, but I, I also don't think that all of that stuff, this is like a triple negative, was not a part of it. I think that all played into the decision. It doesn't help. Don't you? It doesn't help. It doesn't help. Yeah. Because you're thinking of, okay, if, if we are this far apart on contract terms,

and this is probably going to turn into some kind of protracted thing, is this going to be a quiet deal or is this going to be a distraction? And yeah, I think they probably knew. that it was going to be the latter. Yes. You're right. You're right. So I think that is definitely all part of it. Jake makes with a generous contribution says,

sorry I tuned in late, apologies. If this was already discussed with Rogers, Berks, Slay, and C.J. G.J. Gone. It's starting to feel empty in the backfield. Thoughts on what Howie is cooking. Well, I think the only one on that list who, who maybe I did not plan on not being here

to use a double negative again. was C.J. Garner Johnson, right? I mean, I did not expect Rogers, well, I did not expect Slay to be back. I thought there was a chance Rogers could leave unless it was a team-friendly deal, and I didn't think Berks was going to be back either. So, no,

I don't think they are empty right now. I think there are young players, and then the draft is big for depth. And Bose brought up an interesting point a few times that maybe the Eagles will lean more offense than we think, but they do have, at this point, eight draft

picks. And so, you know, and they don't have any of those six, seventh rounders now. So a guy taken in the first five rounds are typically expecting to make the roster. And so I'm sure they'll navigate some, but they'll continue to add depth through the draft and then with bargain signings as the draft approaches. Let's spend this back to Kenyon Green. I know you gave us your Scouting report on him earlier, friend, but just for the people coming in, this is a former 15th overall pick. Yep. Are we talking Mackay Beckton? skill set like Mammoth Man? Are we talking like

Chance Warmac? Are we talking this selling point on him coming out was elite athleticism for the size or power? Not as freakish as McKay Bechton size wise. Never build as a technician.

This is a guy who was always a ball of clay. He is similar to Bechton in that way where it was always more like ball of clay look at all the tools and the traits but he's not refined. But McCawley. I went sixth overall to the Jets. I think it was sixth overall because, I mean,

just unique body type and size. This guy, I mean, Kenyon Green is very big. He's long. He's, I mean, he is also a physical marvel. It's all contextual, right? It's all, depends on who you ask. Like, Kenyon Green is a large human being, and he is an impressive athlete for that size.

More athletic than Chance Warmac? I just, I think at the end of the day, when you're looking at Green, like he just has not, he has not developed in Houston over there. And injury year two certainly had something to do with that. I did not peg him as someone that was going to be ready to come in and be a plug and play starter, which he was as a rookie.

And then this year, for what I understand, like kind of talking with people and like reading between the lines with Houston, it was a lot of it was like a lot of the assignments and like the mental side of things for Houston was just, just they did not have their ducks in a row that way. They fired their offensive line coach. They fired their offensive coordinator. So I think that there was a lot there that they wanted to reimagine. And obviously by trading Tunsel and now trading Kenyon Green, they've made some changes there.

We spoke about Vic Fangio's way with the defense. This is not a move that I imagine is made without Jeff Stalind saying, I can work with that guy. Is that fair to say? No question. And I'm sure I don't think back if Kenyon Green came on a 30 visit. He did. Okay. So then Kenyon Green came on a 30 visit.

So they had plenty of exposure to him. You know, Jeff Stallon, more than your. average, Jeff Stoutland really loves the draft process. Like he loves the, so he is very much, some coaches like, you know, like it's, you know, bottom total of the totem pole and things that they love about the job. I will say like Jeff Stoughtland loves the draft process, talent acquisition, meeting with these players, working with these guys. I mean, he, that gives them so much energy and so much juice.

So yeah, if Jeff Stoutle, if they make a move like this, a lot of that will be Jeff Stoutland saying like, yeah, I remember, you know, building that relationship with him. I would put my stamp of approval there. He talks about the term critical factors, right? And that's what he looks for. And so Kenyon Green is someone who would fit that. And I do find it interesting. Stout has always talked in the past that there's, he's like a college coach at heart, right?

He loves developing players. And Kenyon Green was 20 when he was drafted. Okay. So just to put that in context, if he was in this draft, he would be one month older, just one month older than Tate Rutledge, who is, is one of the top guards in the draft. Day 2 guard very up for Georgia. Anthony Belton, who is someone who has kind of been linked to the Eagles in the pre-draft process,

was in the same high school class as Kenyon Green. So Kenyon Green going into year four. Also younger than Tyler Steen. Younger than Tyler Steen, exactly. Kenyon Green is younger than Tyler Steen is the new Keeley-Ringo is younger than Quinion Mitchell. Yeah. So there's, you would think that there's, when you talk about upside, they're so upside to be developed.

And if frankly, I don't think this is a stretch to say, if there's any offensive line coach in the NFL who's showing that he can develop someone with those critical factors, it's Kenyon. It's Jeff Stalind. Yeah. Do you think they're done here with the O line?

I don't think they bring back Beckham. I think the big question is swing tackle. Do they bring back Fred Johnson? Do they add someone? I think the draft is a drafts can be interesting. What? Did I say something? No, no, I, it's not, this is my own making my... When you smile, I feel like I, I butcher her name, or I...

It just... Okay. Becked him. He killed him. Oh, okay. David Tomey. Oh, that's David. It's not David.

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Bonding with Oren, a Zach Berman story. And then Fresh Prince, can we get a playoff game update over under? Oh, yes, Zach. We have not told the listeners this. Oh, yeah. Everybody wants to know, how did the basketball playoff game go last night? So a funny story about this. It was not a playoff game.

I get there. And I say they're like, they're like, I'm so surprised you're here in free agency. You know, I've missed like half the season because of, of the Super Bowl. And I'm like, well, it's the playoffs. I can't miss it. And they're like, no, this is a meaningless game. Because of the snow day, there was a snow day earlier this year.

The whole schedule got moved back. And so the playoffs don't actually begin until next week. And so then I'm like, wait, so I'm here for a meaningless game. But no, it was. And I could be driving around with Orrin Burks. We did not play well. We did not win. We played a good team.

tough game all around I took one field goal attempt okay took a three missed it thought it was on actually I felt good coming out of the hand I thought it was on but yeah I did not play

I turned over the ball too often I'm not using the pancake analogy but I had more floor burns than points last night I was now I had more floor burns than field goal attempts I should say I did die for a few loose balls there

good for you and then I got to say I need some time I need to keep using timeline because I, you know, things hurt more this age than ever before. So I was coming around a screen and it's trying to fight my way through a screen and I took a knee to my thigh. Ooh, Charlie Horse, that's brutal. When I was younger, this would happen all the time. You just keep rolling with it, right? You keep playing.

You're getting Charlie Horst all the time? Well, when you're short and you're coming around a screen, you often get like, you know, I see what you're right there. So I've gotten a lot of knees, the thighs playing basketball. But I tried my first step out of bed this morning. Yeah. I could, yeah, I was feeling it, man. And so I still am.

I'm supposed to do F-45 later. And like, I'm feeling it right now. You know what helps with that? Timeline? More sleep. More sleep. Yeah. Yeah, last night was not a good night for that.

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the players who were in Quakotology, who are still unsigned, I want you to give me, I'm going to run down this list, I want you to give me a, that you think the Eagles are monitoring this situation closely, you think the Eagles will check in next week

or you think the Eagles say lose this number we're not interested. That's kind of cold. Now I'm joking. Okay. Matthew Judon. Lose this number. Probably monitor.

Check in next week. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The maniac, Dennis Gardek. Monitor. What's the age profile? He's like 30. Lose this number. Okay.

Tony Nelson, Anthony Nelson. Monitor. Lose this number. Joe Tryon Sharyanka. He did? What did he sign with? Oh, sorry. The show has ground to a halt.

Joe Tryon is going to the Browns. 4.75 million. Wanted to play with Kenny Pickett. There you go. One year 4.75? Yep. Okay. All right.

Cross him off. So lose this. The number. Aziz O'Jolari. Yeah, I think that's one that they are closely monitoring. Yep. Or like, what's the first option? You're closely monitoring.

Close to monitor. Yes. Okay. Jack Sanborn. Check back next week. Yeah, check back. Asante Samuel Jr. Closely monitoring?

Check back. Kaiser White. I suppose check back. Yeah, check back. Levi on Woosurike. I just. I mean, giving all the money they're about to have to pay. They're not going to do a multi-new deal for a defensive tackle.

Agree. Right. Probably lose this number. Other for Franzy vow. I just say, like, my guess is that he's going to get. Ublee. Set. I got not.

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no no no no Eric Stokes check back next week sure Judrick Wills this probably Kenyon Green

is Jedrick Wills Brandon Shurf same Elijah Moore check back next week Yeah. Nelson Agalore. Lose this number.

Rahim Mostert. Check back next week. Joey Bosa. I think he's... San Frana, Miami. San Francisco, yeah. Michael Mayer. That's a different situation.

Yeah, let's keep calling. And then Draymond Jones. Keep calling. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Can I play a game with you? No. Always.

With you guys? Yeah. So I believe Kenyon Green is the fifth player from the 2022 first round that the Eagles have added to their roster. They've added Kenny Pickett. They added Jahan Dotson.

They added Lewis Seen. They have Jordan Davis. Now they have Kenyon Green. And so I bring, so if I go down this list here. Who's next? Oh yeah, who could they trade for? I mean, outside of like players you've already been cut because this is a market that they tend to look at. And the reason

why this is also relevant is teams need to decide are they picking up the fifth year option on these guys and they're not, they might be apt to trade them. Okay. Trayvon Walker. Unless the Eagles have, they've scratched this itch. And you know when you scratch an itch, you just becomes itchier. So they're going to, they're going to want more. Trayvon Walker. I do actually think that that is possible. I think they would love, that would be like, they would like to make that call. Aidan Hutchinson's not happening. Derek Stingley's not happening.

Yes, Soss Gardner's not happening. Kavon, Tibado. Not happening. Not happening. Icki, equineu. Maybe he's next year's version. We'll see you the He made steps in the right direction this year for Carolina. So we'll see if he continues to develop. Evan Neal, who's lost his job, but probably not introduced. But that's, that could be next year's version. Drake London, not happening.

Charles Cross. Probably not, yeah. Not happening. Garrett Wilson, not happening. Chris Alave, not happening. Jameson Williams, not happening. Yeah, probably not. And Jordan Davis.

Kyle Hamilton, not happening. Kenyon Green. This is funny. They had the 13th, 15th, and 16th pick from that year. Jordan Davis is 13, Kenyon Green's 15, Jahan Dotson, 16th. Yeah, and they missed the one really good player. Zion Johnson.

He looks like he's going to be moving. There was some scuttlebell that he could move to center, but then they re-signed Bradley Bowman, so we'll see. Traylon Burks. Could happen. Yeah. I doubt it, but I could happen. Yeah, right.

Trevor Penning. Stinks. They're not bringing him in there, yeah. Trent McDuffie, not happening. No. Quay Walker. I think that Green Bay is going to extend Walker. Okay.

That would be my guess. Kayer Elam. It's just not good. Tyler Smith not happening. Tyler Lyndon Bloom not happening. Jermaine Johnson not happening. Devin Lloyd. No.

Devante Wyatt. Possible. Why just feel like it'll be so crowded in that detackerel room? So I would say no. Cole Strange? No. George Carlotta is not happening. This is an interesting one.

Daxton Hill It is an interesting one Yeah That's an interesting one I think that in a If the Eagles were running a different scheme I would say yes I don't know if he's a good fit

For a Fangio scheme That's it Yeah and then and then Lewis Seen is 32 That's a fun I like that one That's a hot number of first round picks From that draft five from that draft Who've come through

Leonard Floyd was released today Yes 32 years old coming off in eight and a half sacks season. He had 10 and a half the year before that. He's had at least eight and a half sacks in each of the last five seasons. I mean, he's 32, but is that the kind of guy

who you would add? Where do you go to school? Georgia. Yeah, I mean, like, well, way before all of us is done. Yeah, he would, I think he's a, he's an interesting one to monitor. He does a little bit of everything in terms of being able to drop back in coverage.

He's never been like a plus plus run defender, but it'll give you better snaps there than what Bryce off was showing. if they were fine to move on from Huff. Only became reliably good after he left Vic Van Gio. Right. After leaving Chicago.

Right, right. Right. Yeah. Okay. Anything around the league that has piqued your interest over the past 26, 27 hours? Yeah, the New York Giants.

Everybody step aside. Zach's got to get something on his chest. Yeah, no, Joe Shane is... Let's get that solo shot on him. Joe Shane's running a contender over that. in East Rutherford, New Jersey, right? So, Sequin Barclay, last year, that $13 million a year,

they weren't at the right stage for that. But now, now, let me tell you, now that they had Malik Neighbors and Tyrone Tracy, they're ready to compete. So Darius Slayton, come on down, $13 million a year. Xavier McKinney last year is a 24-year-old safety. Now, you know what? Too much to spend for a safety.

but you know what, Javan Holland this year, come on down, we're ready to spend big money on a safety. So look, I get it, you can learn from your mistakes, and he is competing for, or he is GMing for his job right now, but it just strikes me as just odd team building that you let, you're probably two of your four best homegrown players of the past 10 years leave last year for nothing. For nothing.

I mean, Dexter Lawrence is a really good player. Andrew Thomas is a really good player. But you let these two guys leave for nothing. And then you sign a skill player for $13 million a year this year. You sign a safety for big money this year. It's just, it's odd GMing to me. Do you think they talked about that internally that, you know what, maybe we need to make this, this Darius-Slatan contract

just a little bit different from Sequin Barclan just so that people don't draw this parallel? You know, even like the Giants reporters, were mystified by that. And usually the Giants reporters aren't really mystified back that kind of stuff. But apparently he's very popular in the locker room,

so this goes over well. But, yeah, that, when I saw that Slayton contract, I was like, really? I mean, 2-2-at-well got $10 million a year. So him being $12 million is not that surprising. He's done a little bit more. I was just shocked that he went back there

because there's been so much, like he was getting out of the lineup. He's been there for a while, and it's very strange. Yeah, so that, of the least, league moves that stood out to me. You know, the Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson thing. I expected them to do that.

I like what Minnesota's doing. I got to be honest with you. I like Jonathan Allen still. I thought that was a good move. Yeah, I think they're putting together a decent. Now, Will Fries. They spent a lot of money on him, Full Sentence All-Star. But, you know, he's probably the top.

top guard on the market. Is that fair to say? Yeah, but he played like half a season last year. It says a lot about the market. I like them investing their offensive and defensive lines when they had this rookie quarterback. San Francisco, moving on from Hughes Check, and they continue to cut me and they cut Leonard Floyd today, as we mentioned.

That one's interesting. So you haven't listened to this yet, but Beau bought up an interesting marriage on the PHOI draft show a couple hours ago. Tyler Warren to the San Francisco 49ers. What do you think? Ooh. Yeah, I mean, he likes playing 12 personnel, right?

Yeah. I can see that. Okay. I like that. I like that. You heard it here first. It's a sneaky fit. I like that one.

Yeah. Why not? It is Tyler Warren, not Warren, Tyler. It is Tyler Warren. Okay. What else is going on? You tell me. I don't know.

Are we going to get new? I want news, man. let's go. It's been like three hours. What's going to happen is we're going to get off. Right. And then there's, we're going to get off the show.

And then there's going to be careful here. And then there's going to be about 10 minutes later. There will be news. Talk about a free agency frenzy. We are, we will be here for no matter what happens. If there is breaking news, we will go live, emergency pod.

The most fun thing to do. Oh, no. I'm sorry. I had bad news for you. For me? Yeah. Who did Anthony Nelson sign with? Back to the bucks.

Two years, 10 million, max of 12 million. Ooh, that tells you. Yeah. They like them. They don't want to look against the horse in the mouth. By the way, Jason Light has a good PR agent. You're seeing, I'm seeing all these tweets now, most underrated GM in football, Jason Light.

Have you seen these? I haven't seen those. You seen this? You're hearing about this? I haven't seen those. That was a pretty bad Leno. It was a bad Leno. Here, I just Google.

Dan Orlovsky. This says 255,000 impressions. No, Jay, that's crazy, Jay. There's not a more underrated executive in football than Buccaneers GM, Jason Light. Trevor Sykema. Been saying this for a while now. If Jason Light isn't in your top three NFL GMs list, the list is wrong. I think he is a good GM.

Yeah, but I've come around on Jason Light. I used to continuously bang him for the Robert Aguayo pick, which I think was probably more of an owner pick. I have learned after the fact. So I think Jason Light has probably done more. He has built teams in different ways in different parts of the cycle, I think, than a lot of other GMs. I like Jason Light.

You know, top three GM, probably a little bit rich, but yeah, he's a good GM. Who would be your top three? I'd have to... I don't even want to try it because I don't want to be like anchored to that later. And again, have to relitigate things. But maybe that's a summer summer show.

Are we talking about in professional sports or in the NFL? NFL. I would only do NFL. Okay. So in no particular order. Okay. I would go, well, Brett Veach. Thanks for watching on Fast.

Check out all-PHLY.com to find out Zach Berman's top three general managers. Manage, is in the top three? I mean, I think Brett Veach has done, you know, I know Andy gets the credit, but he's retooled that team. He made a bold move trading to Tyree Kill. They've, now, it's easy. I don't want to say easy, but when you have Patrick Mahomes, that's a big part of your winning.

But I think he's bold, which I like to see. Yeah. He's drafted well for the most part. You know, everyone has misses. But I thought the McDuffie Carlopta's draft was a good haul. now he's taking a lot of he's taking some character risks right but um you know i thought rachie rice was a good pick in terms of like the player uh so i have to i mean howie is the top 3 jam um and then i'm debating between less need and brad holmes i'm probably can go brad homes because

i think brad holmes had a harder job and less needs had a long runway right uh You know, there were some bad teams there before. Yeah, that's true. I think he's done a good job. I think Brad Holmes, from what he inherited in Detroit to what he's turned that into, I give him a lot of credit. Okay. That's tough to argue.

But I would have to kind of go through all the GMs, but those are three that jump to mine. Okay. So you're not putting light in your top three. I'm not putting light in my top three. I like Eric Acosta. I think he's done a good job. Just kind of going through GMs here. I'm surprised you don't have Adam Peters in your top three.

Why? Well, he knows Bob Myers. Bob Myers is a heck of a GM. I'm sure he does know Bob Myers. I've always been a big Quesci guy. He's not top three, but I would watch out for Quescy. Yeah, I mean, that's probably, I can give you a bottom three. Yeah, I want to hear the bottom.

I'd love to hear the bottom three. I mean, I would say, Joe Shane. Dan Morgan. You have crushed. And then what do you think here? Terry Fonton. Oh, I actually kind of like a Terry Fonton, though.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, if you have top ten picks for four consecutive, of the years you don't take anyone on the like every year there's there's a pastor that you know it's like is this the year they're going to address the pass rush is this the year they're going to address the offensive line uh and look i i i love kyle pitts i just because i love kyle pitts then you go drake london and then you go uh michael pennix when you could have traded back potential uh after you give the money to kirk cousins and i don't know ownership's role in that but i'm i would have to do more work to say this definitively okay

Well, it was interesting. What's that? Yeah. It's hard, you know, yeah, I mean. Cowboys are a weird one. Yeah. It's tough. They do draft well.

No, that's, that's Will McLeigh. Exactly. I like a Will McLeigh. Yeah. Where's Chris Ballard on your list? I talk about a good PR agent. Yeah. Chris Bowerd is probably...

Just pick a number with a 23rd? 17, 18. That's... Okay. Okay. You do like that... You ever seen those? blind ranking videos.

Yes. Yeah. You can do that with NFL GMs. I'm going to do it for you right now. Hold on. You see Miles Sanders got released? I did. Yeah.

Lose number? Lose your number? Oh, lose your number? I was thinking about did he lose my number? No. I was like, I was like, pissed Miles off that much. Do you think the Eagles would say lose your number?

Oh, no. I know. I think that's a fine conversation to have. Do you think Miles would come back to be sick of my number? I don't think so. I don't think so. All right, Zach. Yes. One to 10. Oh, wow. These GMs, okay? I'm going to go one to 10. Three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. All right, I'm starting. You know, you know the concept of the blind ranking? Explain it to me. I'm going to say a general manager, and you're going to rank these general managers one to ten, but you are never allowed to change their number.

Oh, and I don't know who else is coming. This is a tough game. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Am I being in, I'm anchored to this? Like, this is... Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to make fun of you for it or anything. Sure, I'm sure you all. Just to see how this... Immortal last words. Just to see how this turns out.

Okay. Okay. Adam Berry. Well, he's not a GM, but Andrew is. I'm sorry. Andrew Barry. Sorry. Seven.

Wow, seven. I was talking to somebody at the comment, like, oh, like, if Andrew Barry, if they, like, you know, fired that stuff. I would say Andrew Barry would get rehired. Yeah. But you know, but you're going to about seven. I like Andrew Berry. So that's too low in this then?

Okay. Yeah, because there's only 10. Okay. Oh, you said seven. No, here. No, let me change this right now. All right, all right. I'm going four for Andrew Barry.

Okay. That's fair. I think he's done a good job. I don't think Deshaun was on him. Yeah. Chris Ballard. Seven. John Lynch.

Five. Interesting. Okay. Brandon Bean. Three. It's good. I would have done the same thing. Chris Greer.

Eight. I can't wait to see who he has is the 10th. Yeah. It's going to be like Howie 10. Brian. Brian Gutakust. What number?

I don't know what numbers I have one, two, six, nine, and ten available. Ooh. Let's go two. Quessi Adofo Mensa. Oh, God. I like Quessie.

Six. Quessie, he's from right over there in Cherry Hill. That way. Went to Princeton. So you know he's smart. Jerry Jones. What do I have left? One, nine, and ten.

Nine. Devious smile. Monty, Austin, Four. Ten. It's not that. It's not that exciting. Okay, who's won? Who's one?

The devil himself now. John Schneider. All right, fine. That's not bad. That could have been worse. Yeah, could have been worse. Super Bowl winner. Here you go.

All right, so you go, Schneider, Gouda, Kuntz, Bein, Linch, Quessie, Ballard, Greer, Jones, Monty. That's not terrible. That's not terrible. Yeah. 10 is a huge... You thought Howie was coming.

I thought Howie was coming. But you were saving one for Howie. And by the way, if Howie's 10, he gets sent that clip, man. And he's, I'm hearing that. If he's 10? Yeah. Well, you wouldn't get you. If he's 10th of 10, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, that's true. But I think he would have understood. Do you think I... Howie, let me explain you the concept of this game. Have you ever seen these blind ranking videos? Because he's really interested in having me explain everything to him. Right. I have a lot of time for this conversation.

Go on. Fran, I'm going to do quarterbacks with you right now. Okay. Yeah. Sam Darnold. Seven. This is just starting quarterbacks? Yes.

Okay. Michael Pennix Jr. 8. Josh Allen. One. Patrick Mahomes. Two. Baker Mayfield

6 Jalen Hertz 3 Bo Nix you have 4, 5, 9 and 10 available 5 Wow Derek Carr

10 Jack Prescott 4 Wow Yeah Number 9 is the only one left for Tanner McKee There go I actually feel good about that.

I would take Tanner McKee over Derek Carr. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hertz, Dak Prescott, Bo Nix, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Michael Pennix, Tanner McKee, Derek Carr. That's not terrible? I think Knicks is a little high, but that's a thing. But I feel good about it.

Yeah, that wasn't bad. Do you think Kellan Moore would take Tanner McKee over Derek Carr? Yes. Yes, I think so, too. I feel good about that. Certainly with the cost. Yeah. Yeah.

Five myths about bears. Julia is bringing up. Bears can run downhill. Hmm. Okay. What was the bear thing from the season that you guys kept going back and forth about for like a week?

We do a lot of shows. I have no idea what you're talking about. There was a bear. There was a bear. Oh, it was something, a bear playing, like what player is most comparable to a bear? Oh, the tails.

The tails. The tails. The tails was a different. That I remember. No, there was a thing. bear thing. There was a bear thing. I remember I had a bear story that I couldn't tell on the air. Yeah. Oh, that's right. And kids, this is why you go to journal some school. Yeah, right. What's the bear thing? Anybody in the chat remember what the bear thing was? Oh, there was a...

I know about the Chicago bear. It was just the favorite bear. What your favorite bear was. Oh, yeah, maybe it was that. You don't have to run faster than the bear. You just have to run faster than your friend. I used to say that one, yeah. I used to say that. My grandfather always taught me that. that's one of those stories I remember my grandfather told me all the time I believe you yeah what's your favorite bear

oh that is it was just what's your favorite bear yeah that's right and you and you I think you bristled at the notion you were supposed to know more than one kind of bear yes sounds about right oh yeah because you said

what was the mascot that you pointed to which one the brown I think it was a main bear Yeah, that's right, the University of Maine. Oh, it was. Black Bears, yes. And I said you should like, you should like the Black Bears.

You're like, and you were like offended because I associated you with Maine because your wife is from Maine. No, it's not that I wasn't that. It wasn't that. It was just like the idea that like that would mean something to me that the University of Maine's mascot would mean I have some affinity for it. They love Black Bears in Maine. They love them. No, they don't. They love Black Bear.

Let me see one thing. Hold on. Ask Google, do people in Maine love black bears? I was seeing what the official animal of Maine is, but it's actually the moose. That makes sense. I think we

satisfied maybe our contractual obligation for this show. Biding time to see if more news comes across the wire. It has been a quiet news period. I actually think it's more effective if we wrap the show up now,

and if they're because, you know, you get a whole new set of viewers for the emergency show. Yeah, it's not effective in terms of pleasing the audience, more effective in terms of juicing the numbers. But yeah. It's the less bow and I'm going to go for a walk because that will make me the news coming.

There's go. All right. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast. We'll be here. If news breaks the rest of the day, rest assured, we will be ready for an emergency pod and check out all the other content on not only the PHLY YouTube page,

but all pHLY.com. A great time to be a diehard introductory deal. 36 hours, $36 for the entire year. A super chat in just before the buzzer. CDP, who are the three worst NFL GMs? I think we got your list, Zach. So you not only satisfied the contractual obligations, you satisfied CDP.

Thank you, CDP. You should be thanking you. We will talk to you later. and as always, we love you.