PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles-Jacksonville Jaguars Postgame Show: Saquon Barkley, DeVonta Smith star in Birds win

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

Saquon Barkley and DeVonta Smith both made plays we’ll remember for a long time in the Eagles’ victory over Doug Pederson and the Jacksonville Jaguars. Jalen Hurts did his part while A.J. Brown left with an injury. Josh Sweat and Zack Baun starred for the defense as the Eagles moved to 6-2 despite a questionable Saquon fumble and some curious decision-making from Nick Sirianni.Super Bowl champion Vinny Curry joins Fran Duffy, Jamie Lynch and Bo Wulf to discuss the game before Zach Berman checks in from the LINC. Don’t miss the fun. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Bet365, download the Bet365 app and use code PHLY. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bet365 and what a game! 28 to 23. The Eagles looked like they were running away with this one and then a questionable call and then some questionable

decision making makes this extremely tight at the end before Nacobo Dean seals it with a game winning interception in the end zone. We will remember this game for the Seque Juan Barclay backwards leap, the Devante Smith, amazing catch. and almost losing a game that they had no business losing.

We're going to talk about all of it, joined by Super Bowl champion Vinnie Curry, Jamie Lynch, and Fran Duffy. I am Bo Wolf. We'll be joined in a little bit by Zach Berman live from The Link, who we'll talk to the report, the umpires, the referees after this game as the pool reporter. So he's going to have some very interesting insight that you are going to want to hear.

We're going to get Nick Siriani's press conference, all of that. But it starts Vinny with Nikobi Dean. making the play of the game. Man, man. My blood pressure, oh, listen, my blood pressure was getting up. And the Kobe Dean

with the clutch and inception and then do leap into the crowd. I love it. I love the energy. I love the play. That's how you close out of the game, man. Congratulations to him. I mean, the Eagles are up five points.

The Jags have the ball at the 13-yard line, first and 10. With a minute 40 left, they have all kinds of time. And Trevor Lawrence throws it up there 50-50 ball. and the Kobe making the play.

He wanted it more. Oh, my God. It was clutch, man. I like dramatic fashion. What do you think he feels like right now? Oh, he's on top of the world right now, as he should be, as he should be. He deserved that one. He wanted it more, and he came down with it, and we got to win, and that's how you close out

the game. I'm like, fired up. You see, I was at the edge of my seat like that. And then we came down with it, I'm making sure there's no flags. I want to say, damn, the whole stadium was looking around, making sure it wasn't no flags, man. Oh, there was some tight edge. in that stadium, man. Some of the faces in the sand.

People did not look well. How's your blood pressure, Jamie? I never once doubted anything in this game. I just felt completely in control the whole time. Feet were up, unstressed. No, that was excruciating. It was like one of those things when it first happened, when the, you know, the fumble and all that stuff gets returned.

It's like, you're kind of laughing to stop from crying because you're like, I can't believe what I'm watching. And then you start questioning, you know, the decision to go for two earlier when then it becomes a two, possession your game and then you start like thinking ahead worst case scenarios next thing you're like oh my god they're going to tie this up here so uh yeah that was excruciating yeah i mean when it was like early third quarter eagles are up 22 nothing we're thinking okay there's not really gonna be too much to talk about from this game the sequin jumps we can talk about shady and reflect on his career

which i think we will do at the end but then all of this stuff happens and now there is so much to unpack friend i'm i'm curious from your vantage point what do you attribute the uh the almost loss of this game to what was the turning point for you in that third quarter i mean i mean certainly the turning point was the sayquan barclay fumble that was returned for a touchdown because you know just looking

possession by possession i made the point i was like look when jacksville last got the ball they were down 22 nothing and then they get the ball back with a chance to tie the game up it was just an insane turn of events over the course of two or three possessions uh and look we'll get into the call we'll get into some of the plays, but this is just a weird game. I mean, even just looking back through the stats before we went live. I mean, Trevor Lawrence, 50% completion, two picks. You look at offensively with the run game. I mean, they're leading Russia had 24 yards. They weren't doing anything offensively that made, they made some critical plays on third down.

They were able to get some chunk plays. But even offensively, when Jailette Hertz completes 75% of his passes, a couple of touchdowns, doesn't turn it over. Sequin goes off, nearly 200 yards, total yards for Sequan Barkley in this game. Devante Smith goes off. We saw two of the biggest plays of the year, but they still, I mean, just nearly lose this football game. It's a crazy game.

Also, A.J. Brown leaves this game with a knee injury and does not return, and he left, like, without playing a snap in the third quarter. Don't even remind me. Very much on our radar and potentially a big concern. What did you guys think of the call on the Sequin fumble? I thought he was down by contact. You know, it looked like the back of the Achilles.

on the hill area. Right. A little touch, a little touch on the back of the foot. And then he trips over Lennon Dickerson and sort of stumbles to the ground. The ball comes loose. I go, you know, Zach is going to have some real insight on this because I imagine this is what he's going to talk to the reference about. Absolutely. Yeah.

I can see why it wasn't overturned because it's not like he's the little touch makes him go down. And if you're thinking that it's the trip that makes him go down, it's like it's, not a continuation thing. I can see why after it was ruled the way it was on the field, it wasn't overturned. I could sort of go either way. I don't think that that was like the most outrageous call as some Eagles fans do. But, you know, like when you go down that way, you're kind of giving yourself up as well. That's true.

That's the way I thought it was going to be called. That ball hit the ground, then popped up in his hand. So yeah, that was kind of weird to me. I clearly contact. Like I, listen. and hey, maybe the rest, you know, wanted to stay out there a little longer, but you know. I think that's the problem.

Like, live, I go, I'm more with you. I'm going like, okay. He actually tripped over his offense alignment more than was tackled. I mean, on a normal play, is Sakebun Barclay getting tackled by that little touch? Yeah, somebody in our Discord channel here at PHOI said, like, well, if he gets up and runs for a touchdown, that becomes an automatic review play,

do they call that back on the inverse of that? I would tend to doubt it, but like no way to know. It's an impossible situation. I think the problem is reviewing it. Yeah. Seeing the hand bounce off the arm, like the clear reaction and then sticking with the call. Yeah, I wasn't surprised. I mean, I thought it was a fumble. So I look, it's a, it's a weird call.

It is weird. But to me, like there was a, it's the, it's like the N1 in the NBA where it's like, oh, the continuation. And it looked like he made that like football move. Like, when he put his foot in the ground and got north south. So, yeah, it's just an unfortunate play. Let us know how you guys are feeling in the chat. All kinds of super chats, everybody, very fired up about this game. I can tell you, I haven't read much of the chat yet.

I'm about to hop in there, but I can tell you by the tone of some text messages I've gotten? One, the last one I just got was, can Nick Siriani still be fired after a W? So I think the tone out there is feisty still. The sea was angry today. We're like an old man, returning soup at a doubt. We got a lot to get to. and we're here. If I'm Nick, though, man,

I'm taking the Kobe out for dinner. Like, oh, hey, listen, do what you want. You know, that one. Take out the family. This one's on me, to go. That's absolutely right.

On Nick, and we will hopefully hear from him soon. Several big decisions here. Now, there's a two-point conversion. He takes one off the board to go to the one. Unsuccessful push-push. happens again. My biggest gripe with Siriani in this game was the fourth and inches in the fourth quarter when they go to that play action play to Sequin Barkley, the one that he dropped in the Falcons game

to lose that game. And issues going for a field goal that would have made the two possession game. To me, I mean, I know that they got stopped on two tush pushes in this game already, but fourth and inches, like, let's do that. Yes. Like, I find it very hard to believe that they would not have gotten that. and if you're if you don't trust it then just kick the field goal right yeah so my order that i if i'm coaching i go field goal one because it makes it a two two score game i think that and then two if you're

gonna run a play like what's the whole point just do the touch push like like just do what are we doing get you inches yeah like to me i kicked the field goal there you know dan or lofsky i saw tweet that nobody leaves more points on the field than nick seriani in the NFL he has a point like this is a theme And it's interesting because even early in this game, it seemed like the Eagles were a little bit scared of the tush push. They started in this game, remember, doing that play where they send Devonte into motion and then they run it to the left instead of the normal tush push,

got called for a false start. Then they went back to it later in the game. I don't know if there is like something about the Jags defense that had them concerned. Maybe it's the institutional knowledge that Doug Peterson has from it and just give it some insight there. But I do think clearly that was on their minds in this game, you get stopped twice on those two point attempts and you tried to fake it twice

and then you decide not to do it later, clearly they were a little tepid going into it. Now, Vinnie, from a defensive player standpoint, when a game that you feel like is one and all of a sudden you're like in the guts of the game there at the end and you got to make a red zone stand to win the game, like what's going through your mind? How do we get here? Exactly. Like how do we get here? But you know, when you take your foot off the gas a little bit, you know, this, you know how it is, man.

NFL game is any given Sunday. Every play counts. Can't take your foot off the gas, bro. And that's what I thought we did a little bit. We took our foot off the gas. We started shooting ourselves in the foot. And Doug, a good coach like that, he started capitalizing the office, especially with his office wasn't doing nothing all game. just was that was just too close for you know my blood pressure to get raising up and

anything but Kobe Dean man yeah I mean what a play and what's the last one's the last time eagles game had a line two linebacker interceptions has that ever happened before it's a good that's a good question I mean I'm sure it probably has but that's unheard of isn't it I'm trying to think yeah like linebacker interceptions the first one I can think of is Kaiser white from the week one game in 2002 on like bratt or he tips it and then bradbury gets it so he tj edward's had a couple yeah i'm trying to think of who was reserved his running jade had thank you Trevor Lawrence for throwing a terrible ball yeah yeah i mean the eagles the eagles outgained the jags in this game 447 to two 15 they more than doubled them up uh like this game should not have been so close right and if

you go back to what we talked about earlier in the week you talk about like you know um how what i thought about travel lores and how how we should play you know you know we knew he was just a deep center. We knew he tried to spend out of things. And I thought the Eagles had a great game playing for him. I thought they really caged him in a little bit. Now, as you mentioned, Fran, Sequin Barkley in this game,

27 carries for 159 yards and a touchdown. Also, three catches for 40 yards and a touchdown. And including that even with the touchdown, the more memorable play, Vinia, you were in the stadium, so was I for that first half. What were you thinking when Seekoine just leaps over a guy ass first?

So, I mean, we're in that box, and y'all know what I started yelling. Seiqua! He's the truth, man, and he's the truth. I mean, you have to admit, when it comes to, like, free agency signings, he has to be one of the greatest free agent signings in Eagle history. So it's just like, man, he is. Must he TV. Yeah, Tim McMahon has tweeted out,

Seekwant Barkley is just a second player in Eagles history to record 1,000-plus scrimmage yards and 8-plus touch-touching. downs through eight games since Lyshaun McCoy on Shady McCoy night. So like pretty cool. Very cool. How can you not be romantic about football? And then we'll get to him. Yes.

And also if you, if you feel the same way about Sequin that Vinnie does, well, go ahead and get yourself a Seekwan t-shirt at the, a Ph.L. Y Locker, join the club. Show your love. I mean, Vinny, Vinny's moving merch over here. You got to get it, man.

You got to get it. Seiquon. because we're going to be Seekwana all the way to the playoffs, man. He's a great. What did you think about that play? What did you guys do here when you were watching it? We went nuts. I mean, it was just unbelievable.

Because not only like, okay, I've never, we've never seen anybody do the, that the ass first, a very smart play because even if it doesn't work, you're just putting your butt in the guy's face. But that's going to be a tough loss. But what's amazing about it is, I mean, look at the video. that's the third athletic cut he makes all that he dicks he does the jump cut a spin move and then does that move which leads like four more extra yards unbelievably athletic play and he's had a few

of those this year where it's like I can't believe I don't know how he got out of that but this was this one takes the cake it's the greatest 14 yard play in NFL history got to be yeah I think that I think that might be right now if we're going to be if we're going to be fair we should also say I mean he does lose that fumble whether whether we think it was a fumble or not yep he does lose that and then on the eagle's last offensive possession sort of goes down in bounds early on the third down play when there was a chance for him to fight for the first down felt like he didn't have exactly the perfect situational awareness of where he was and what the situation was yeah and i texted zach right away like if you get a chance to talk to say kwan is that something you're taught

there in that situation or was that something you took control of yourself because that's at least the third if not the fourth kind of like low IQ move he's made this year i hate to be able to like a thorn here because he's a freak he's the fast skid alive all that and arguably be the best player on the team yeah like phenomenal but he situationally has made some dumb decisions i like the point i like the point that that christ our social media may even said he's just he's not used to being on winning teams in like in close games man i think he'd be you know he'd be running so fast and you know i think he thought he thought he had the first down that's what i and he sat down, you know, the two more clock.

I think that's what he probably was thinking. I think you're right. All right. Still waiting on Nick Siriani and so much to get to here. Now, if we're talking about those fantastic plays, I mean, the Devante Smith touchdown cash. That was crazy. I don't know if I've seen a better catch than that.

That was insane. That was insane and a huge play in the game. Huge play. This is, I mean, from next-gen stats, this might shock you. Jalen Hertz completed a career high four deep passes, 20 plus air yards in this in this game today. It's the thing he does best.

For 127 yards, that's the most, that's the most deep throws that he's connected on in one game. According to next gen. That is surprising. That's three minutes ago. And certainly that one was a big one, 25 yards on third and long.

I mean, it was essentially a double move. He's working inside against Darby and then kind of breaks outside, gets on top of him. And his ability to get both of his feet down, while maintaining possession going to the ground. I mean, that's one of the catches of the year in the NFL. Outstanding finish there from Devante Smith.

This little reaper. I mean, I've never seen anything like that play. It's insane. Unbelievable play. And he had the 46-year-old. Yeah, to one-hand it and control it while getting the feet down. I mean, we talk about it all the time that the thing that makes Devante superhuman is he has this awareness of space, I think, better than anybody I've ever seen at that

position and sometimes that comes to play in the middle of the field. But along the sideline and at the back of the end zone, I mean, he's unbelievable. And then also to make the play and the importance of the play in the game when they're fighting to ward off this what would have been a terrible loss.

I mean, unbelievable. Yeah. And Nick's going to have to pay for a lot of dinners tonight. Devante's Sequin and Nacobi. I mean, Devante can't eat very much, right? Yeah, that's true. I mean, he's probably a cheap date. He's a slim reaper, man. man, he's like 145 pounds.

Jahan Dotson, too, not to be, not to shine away from Devonte. Another phenomenal catch by Jahan Dotson. Hello. That was a great catch too. And now that Jalen has seen it, he can believe in it. Go ahead, man.

I was sorry. So, yeah, I was just saying, we're just sitting here thinking about, you know, some of the guys that jumped out while we're watching live. Man, they got to read, read my man up, man. Zach. That's awesome.

Absolutely. He was ferocious in this game. Lock him in. Starting from the first defensive possession. Man, he was all over. Like a man on fire. He finished with 10 tackles.

He had the pick. He delivered hits on Trevor Lawrence. He's going to make it down, plays downhill against the screen, against the run. He had the leaping Pbue against Evan Ingram on the first play of the game. I mean, start to finish.

Zach Bond was outstanding in this football game. I think, I think we probably will see an in season extension. He might, yeah. He deserves it. He certainly deserves it. He definitely deserves. Yeah, fantastic. Great lineback of play, man, today.

Yeah. And N'OBAO'B with that play. Have we flashed up the NACOBIE actual interception? We can, we can, oh, we have seen it. Okay. I mean, what a play? What did you think of that decision from Lawrence? I mean, the decision was fine.

The Jets do whatever. Play from, from N'Cobi is outstanding. What I actually, what I love most about the play outside of the finish, it was an outstanding catch by Nicopi. Several times in the game, the Jaguars ran what's called a Texas route where the running back out of the backfield will work to the outside. and you think Darren Sproles, putting his foot in the ground and working back towards the middle of the field.

And so on this play, it would have been very easy for Nkobody Dean to think that, hey, this is going to be a route back towards the middle and overplay it and then lose leverage outside towards the sideline. But he stays on top of this, plays it perfectly. Trevor Lawrence delivers a bad ball inside. If he throws it to the back shoulder for DeJarters Johnson, it's going to be a much more catchable pass.

It might be a touchdown, but Nikobe stays on top of it and is able to make the play. He's locked up one-on-one in this scenario. and you saw Jacksonville ran that motion right before where you see they bumped the running back out just to make sure that it's going to be mad coverage and you get its isolated situation one-on-one and Nacobie makes the play just a big time play. And honestly, like, I can't help but smile when you see like a young guy make his first like the, you know, big play in a game like that in the NFL. And look, this is year three for Nikobe.

It was a red shirt year and year one. He was hurt most of the last year. So he's had his moments this year, but this is like his first signature play. as you're really happy for him certainly it's awesome and it happens on a walk-off yeah awesome it's like a walk-off at the buzzer I mean that the the the the energy rush he must he he's not going to be coming down for days from that he better to me I probably do my humming up in the air all I'm talking wow man yeah man you know Kobe unbelievable do we have Siriani Andrew okay

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in this game. And I will say, just to start, Bryce Huff, for what it's worth, played like two snaps in this game. Like no football. Now the Eagle start in Nickel. Nolan Smith gets the start on the outside. Bryce Huff, not a major factor here.

They didn't play a ton of plays on defense, so they didn't have a lot of long drives to rotate in, but he was not a major factor. Aside from that, what did you make of the D-Line. I thought the D-Line did exactly what we talked about earlier this week, how to contain Trevor Lawrence.

And I thought they did a great job at stopping the run. the first half, I thought, you know, they did a phenomenal job. You know, like you said, they didn't have too many plays on defense. And then in that second half, as we can see, they all played together collectively. We end up recording two sacks. Yep. Yep. We're going to break down all later on the first Josh Helfth sack.

But the second one was just his clutch. But then, you know, we gave him a long first down. After that, that would have been a great one to walk off with. but I thought they did well. I thought they did their job. I thought they executed the game playing very well. Sweaty sacks. Two of them.

Two. Yeah, Milton makes the big play on the first one and then the other one later. And to your point, like, the Jags didn't really have a lot of opportunities to run the ball in this game, but ETIN and Biggs B combined for 11 carries for 46 yards. So, like, efficiency-wise, not amazing, but, I mean, total volume-wise, obviously they shut it down. Right, right. So, you know, anytime you can have. you could hold a team from under 100 yards rushing.

That's that's a, you hadn't got your hard hat on that. It's hope you don't matter, you know, what happens. So I thought the defense played well. Like I said, and like you said, throughout the whole game, they shut them out for zero points. And they still shut them out even with the Sequan fumble turned into a touchdown. The defense, I thought they play well.

Yeah, I mean, the first six Jaguars possessions, six plays and a punt, three and out, Yep. Four and out. Three and out. Interception on the first play. And then three and out on the first drive of the second half. That's not including the kneeled out at the end of the first half.

I mean, that is as dominant a start to a game as you can have. Oh, absolutely. Man. Vic got these guys playing like. Yeah. It's one person that deserves some credit, you know, because the last couple weeks, these guys were playing, you know, playoff type of football, like the football that we all love.

and they'd be playing crazy. Yeah, I think, you know, Vic out of the by, like the team's not missing tackles anymore. They seem to be playing more, you know, confident football. Jalen Carter, I noticed today, was getting double team the bunch. So he had the respect from the Jaguars. So maybe that allows, you know, Josh Sweat, and maybe you and Frank can get into that in the breakdown.

But I thought Jalen Carter had a nice game for a guy that was getting doubled. You know, look, I'm not charting the game like Fran over here, but it seemed to me, my naked eye, like he got doubled a good amount today. A couple interesting things on defense, Fran. end of the game, like they need to win this game. They need to go get it. This is like these are the best guys we want on the field to rush to passer. Interesting that Morrow Agema was the defensive tackle next to Jalen Carter and not Milton Williams.

Yeah, I mean, go back to Atlanta. That was that was what they did on that final drive against the Falcons. Morrow Jumma was out there and we made a point that we didn't see Bryce Huff in that situation. And I thought that was more notable that Jumma, the second year defensive tackle was out there as well. And it was BG and Jailen-R-Smith. Exactly. And so I think when you look at it. at the faith that this team has in him.

I know it hasn't shown up with like sack production so far for a Jumma, but he's been really, really disruptive. He has flashed every single week whether it's going up against the quarterback as a pass rusher or stopping the run. And so I'm not shocked to see that. Let me ask you this, Bo, with the with the Huff stuff. Do you think it's because they might be looking to shop them? I was going to bring that up.

It seems very reasonable to me. Now, it would be, you know, that would be an early admission of, mistake from Howie Roseman. But if they can swap him out for somebody else, and maybe they think that Jalick's hunt can be on the come a little bit. Now, if that was the case, I think we would have seen him today. But I don't know what the actual cap ramifications are of trading huff at this point. Right.

So they have a potential out in 2026. So they're basically only on the books for two years 34. There is a 22.1 dead cap hit there. So to your point, I don't know. But like that's interesting because he plays once. snap in the first half. He comes in on a third and six. And it's like a loop inside and he almost gets the sack. So like my my opinion with Bryce Huff has been that they don't need him to be an every down player. Like the idea that he's not a first and second down player who can stop the run. That's fine.

If he's giving you the third down pass rush specialist productivity and so far he has not been is 17 million too much money to pay to a third down specialist. I think that's fine though. I think you would pay for that. Right. If you were getting that production. on third down, but you're not. Was it, was it the Giants game where he had like the five pressures and we're like, all right, like it looks like he might be back. Last week was not good. The film with Huff last week again in the win against Cincinnati was not very good.

So, yeah, I'm not shocked that the snap. I don't know if they're shocked. I think a little bit of it was the flow of this game. I mean, they didn't have any long drives early in this game to. And how much is maybe Nolan Smith earning it? Yeah. I mean, I just straight up out and forming on the second free straight games. Yeah.

He looked like he turned. the corner he getting it out the mud right now you know he we all know how we're watching our show we know how viny curry feels about Noah smith you know he's definitely one of my my favorites uh on that defense so the deadline is tuesday yeah see i don't think they would trade him without getting somebody else i agree right i think i think they need somebody else that's why you know whenever we've talked about all like could they trade for a pass rusher unless it was going to be one of the big guys it wouldn't make sense because they just don't have the they don't have the room

for that guy right now but if you were to move on from Huff then you would have that spot that spot for someone to slide in. What did you guys think of Isaiah Rogers today starting for Darius Slay on the outside? I thought I thought he did a good job. Yeah. I thought he stepped up big time. I thought he did a good job. Yeah, I didn't really recall Quignan or his name being

like called or targeted much. There was the 16 yard of Brian Thomas on third down late. Yeah, he gave up too much cushion there with that he came. Fourth quarter. Yeah, fourth quarter. He came back late and he had I mean that was outstanding coverage on that one on the final drive unbelievable yeah so you know there was some good and some bad but uh that'll be one I'm excited to go back and see what that looks like on film they did just seem kind of like a faster defense today I'm not

putting this all on sleigh and slaying that's but they did and maybe it's part the jaguars just stink but they did seem like they were swarming and buzzing and like they had like a real pulse to them defensively at least for the you know before those weird turnovers and such and then I think there was a weakness in the secondary today. I think C.J. Garner Johnson was responsible for a couple of big plays. He just hasn't not had a good start of the season. And we're past start to the season. We're halfway through the season.

He has not been great through the first half. We haven't gotten the big plays, certainly, the turnovers that we saw from him so often in 2022. Certainly he's made some plays coming downhill. There was a run stop against New Orleans. There was a run stop against Atlanta. But we're talking week two, week three. To me, like, they're not getting enough from number eight right now.

I think in the secondary, I mean, Quinyon's been awesome. Sle has been really good when he's been healthy. Obviously, we've seen what Cooper Degina's done. He flashed again today in this game, especially in high leverage situations. Blanketship has come up in some spots. I don't think they're getting enough right now from Gardner Johnson. Even, you know, we were talking about it earlier, Jamie, when talking about Sidney Brown and he makes that great play on special teams,

they're outstanding play on special teams. But, you know, you were saying like, oh, like, what's his role on defense? Because of the money that you're giving to see to see. I don't know that you could sit them, but to me, they're not getting their money's worth out of C.J. Gardner Johnson right now. Yeah, Sydney Brown, I think, deserves a ton of credit for that. That kind of, like, changed the game. It really did change the game.

Like, it kind of thought he was in for a dinner from Siriani until everybody else. He's like, wait, I'm the rokeyer. Can I, please? Yeah, actually, Nick Ovidian. Man, that, we was there at the, in the stadium. That was awesome. You could just see their whole sialon go from like, yeah.

So, man, that changed the game. That was a big play. We have not even spoken yet about the quarterback for the Eagles in this game. Jalen Hertz goes 18 of 24 for 230 yards and two touchdown. 16 carries for 67 yards and a touchdown. I'll start with you, friend. What did you make of Jalen Hertz's performance today? Yeah, I thought that it's clearly very efficient.

I mean, 75% of his passes didn't turn the ball over again. So you like that. I thought that there was probably too many scrambles for, by for my liking. And the first half there were a few plays where it seemed like the ball had to be out. Yeah. And then invited the pressure.

They made it comment on the broadcast without showing us visual evidence. Yeah. That broadcast was brutal. But I think that, you know, the soft, they talked about, hey, they're changing up their coverages. And I thought McCordy bought up some good points there. Like, but they didn't show it to us. So I'll just have to wait until to watch it tomorrow.

But, you know, to me, if they were dropping back and hey, they're showing man, but they're dropping it in cover two, that would explain some of it. So, you know, I want to kind of reserve. judgment until then that that sack the one sack he took on third down was a brutal sack but they were still in field goal range they still were able to capitalize that one i think you can take that sack if if what you see what you want to see is not there exactly that's a time when you can't take a sack so that's you know that's one of those things where it's like i i kind of want to watch it back to get a better feel but i mean overall i mean look some of the throws they made down the field

certainly we're a big time in this well i've shifted my uh how i want the eagle's offense to go now my offensive philosophy is completely changed nothing below 20 yards for Jalen Hurts. The only ball he should throw is anything 25 yards or more downfield. Because he throws a... I almost curse. It's the best thing he does. Like, I think...

Like, you can't even debate that anymore. He throws a beautiful deep ball. It's just like the mechanics of it for him. Like, there's like a real, like... He's so lower body focused, right? And so if he's able to, you know, to get his shoulders into it and, like, plant his feet, it's like, it's the most beautiful thing. He's going to be a nasty golfer when Mr. Lori lets him play.

He's not going to be a nasty golf. He's a half. Very bad. You think it's because his interior guys is 6-5. Yeah, the pocket again was pretty good again today. The pressures that he did feel, it wasn't like quick pressures. This is now the fourth week in a row where that's been the case. All right.

Let's go to Nick Siriani, who we have now from The Link. Oh, boy. Took him a long time. I wonder why that is. Nicopi was up there since maybe they were getting him. Yeah. Yeah. We've done pretty good at the.

in the past you know and so you think you always think about everything you think about who you have you think about your past experiences with it you always you always look at the analytics of it you know we've been pretty good on those today they did a good job and so I'll look at I'll look at everything but everything in the moment I'm always doing what I think's best for the football team and you know today it didn't work but you know that's that's the way it goes that's the hat I have to right there you know when we get a fourth down and we convert a fourth down you know we're not you know it's nothing's really said when we don't um you know i understand that there's going to be questions um

but again i have to i have to be able to have the balls to do that really to at the end of the day and say um am i doing everything i can do to help us win the game and then those moments i thought it was but i'll go back and relook at them i'm always going to be hypercritical on myself um and when a doesn't work I'm definitely going to think even more more about it so you know I'm just happy with the get way the guys played I thought we played with great fundamentals today I'll be interested to see what our tackling numbers are coming out of today but I thought we tackled I thought Zach Bond tackled his butt off I thought Reid did had some good tackles coop so I look at that I thought

we played we caught the ball well I mean there were some unbelievable catches both offensively and defensively with a lot of things that we talk about they took we took the ball way well. You know, I'll get some clarification on Sequin's fumble, but I thought we took care of the ball, and Jalen did a great job taking care of the football. I thought our fundamentals that we work so hard on were really on point today, which helped us get the win today.

It's tough to win. What do you think Sequin's backward turtle? It was the best play I've ever seen. I had no choice but to give him. Like, we're at the end of the game, I always, I've been given a game ball this year just like for special, special plays. Obviously, Nikobe gets one, ends the game with a, I guess, would you call it a walk-off interception? I guess you call it. Even though you got to take three knees after.

They should allow you just to go to next play. But, you know, but Sequan's play, I just, there's going to be, what I think is so cool, there's going to be kids all over the country. and all over Philadelphia, I really think about that, trying to make that play and talking about that play and, like, simulating that play as they play backyard football or pee-wee football, and they ain't going to be able to make it because that play is, I think he's the only one in the world that could do that.

I thought it was, it was, I'm speechless. Like, it was unbelievable in the way the crowd, it brought the crowd, and then when I looked up, like, I thought I saw what I saw. And then I looked at, but as a coach, you're looking at the line sometimes. You're looking at the secondary. You're looking at the defense. So I thought I saw it.

But then when I looked up at the big screen and the crowd reacted to it, it was unbelievable. I just can't say enough, like how athletically he is. Is he better than you thought he was now that you have him? Kids probably shouldn't try that move. We knew how good he. I mean, we knew he was special. just when you're when you're preparing to play against special players in this league they tend to take so much of your time up this one of you thinking about them and you

preparing to stop them so we knew we're special I think when you're around them on a daily basis I think it's safe to say yes Jeff that he's even more special than I could even even imagined and it's with everything though like I can't say enough about Sequin the leader, the worker, you know, the teammate. It was just unbelievable that play. So I think it's fair to say that he's even more special than I even thought. Did you see all AJ leave the field in the third quarter

before the offensive had gone on to the field? Can you just help explain that sequence there? Yeah, you know, obviously I'm gonna get more information. I haven't met with the medical staff yet. And so I'll get more information here on him. Hope he's okay. He's obviously one of our best players, and we missed them out there. I thought Devante did an unbelievable job in his absence.

We have two go-to guys, and Devante got even more balls his way, and he made some unreal plays. I heard the catch that he made in the back of the end zone, and then Jehan's catch, my goodness, there were some plays today that will live on in the sports world of Philadelphia for a long time because they were just great individual plays by these guys that you can talk about the fundamentals of how you catch things and how you get to your back when you're going to the ground

and this and that. But, man, for him to get his hand, that's two weeks in a row that he's made, Jaylen's made it, put a perfect ball on him, you know, in tight coverage, and that Smitty's made a spectacular play. And so, man, I just thought there were some special plays made and I'm sure we haven't even talked about the defense yet. Who's got a defense question?

Was Bryce Huff helping? If so, what would end up his limit usage? You know, Bryce came off the field after walkthroughs. Again, we won't talk too much about injury, but his hand was bothering him, and he was getting treatment in the locker room. After walkthroughs? After, not walkthroughs, after, you know, warm-ups. And so, you know, we were trying to protect him there.

When it comes to the linebacker play, you've gotten right now out of Zach and out of Nacobo. What are your thoughts about that? You buy that? Were you expecting this thing? I think we've all, you know, the moment we drafted Nacobi, I think the excitement was there. We were coming down with you guys there in the, then there, and I was yelling about it, how excited we were. And it's been a long road.

He's had to battle, you know, one, he was behind two really good players that, you know, when he was a rookie and he played on special teams. And then last year he had an injury, you know, that sideline him. And so I think we've all just had a ton of confidence in Nekobi. and he continues to get better. I can't remember if I told you guys this or not, but, like, you know, there's a night that he's in there just grinding. I think one thing that makes Nicopi special is his mind and his leadership, and he's constantly working on that.

Like, I'm walking downstairs one evening late, and he's still in there watching tape. And so he's got a special work ethic, which allows him to make special plays like he did today. And then Zach Blon, I think that he's just a really good athlete. And he's really worked on, you know, I know he played. He was a great special team's player for the Saints and did some of the things that we're doing with him now. But then, you know, he's done a, he's such a good athlete that he gets guys down in the open field.

He makes great tackles. He's nice. Now he's taking the ball away. Like, and with, you know, special plays, that catch was really good catch. And so, you know, the linebackers or the guys that are getting everybody on the same page, they're in a lot of plays. And I think our guys are doing good. And I think our backups, you know, we got a lot of confidence in them as well.

And so it's so much fun when you get to, when you get to the work that you do in the dark, you know, shows up in the light. And I really see that from those two guys of all the work that they've put in. You mentioned we got the two stops on the two-point conversions, on the two sneaks. and then you had a fourth and I think it was like it's just from my perspective inside one and you didn't run a sneak on that. Were they doing something

that sort of lost made you lose confidence in it? They did a good job I mean anytime you get stuffed on it you think twice and you try to go a different route and you know they got us. I thought they did a good job of it you know we'll have to we're going to have to do a better

job as coaches helping them helping them succeed. We've worked really hard at that play That play's been our bread and butter, and it didn't work tonight. And so what do we do as coaches? That's the first thing we're going to look. We'll look at the tape, see where we made a mistake. But as far as execution, but we're going to look at ourselves as coaches first and see what we can do to help them out in those scenarios.

And again, you always, again, hindsight, you look through it and you say, shoot, we didn't get it here. Now the third time we did it, obviously we didn't run that play. We tried to get around the outside and it didn't work. So we'll be hypercritical on ourselves. but good job to Jacksonville for getting that play stop because not a lot of, to be quite honest, not a lot of people have been able to stop that

and they did a good job, and we're going to probably have to be ready to see that again. Two more, please? Two rookie defensive backs. Play at this level as an offensive guy. How rare is it? I just go back to how calm and cool that these guys are. And going back to Q when we watched him at the senior bowl,

he wanted to, you know, when we watched the tape of the senior bowl, He didn't back down to anything. And that's all I've seen. He's just calm. He's confident in himself. He's a really good football player. And then the same thing with Coop. I think Coop has just this competitive energy.

And I think they're both energy givers. And they're making a lot of plays. And that's huge, right? And so I think, like, I look back on, you know, the couple of the draft pick. Like, Will Shipley makes an unbelievable play on special teams today. Like the draft picks are doing a great job. But then we talk about Zach Bonn and what he's done, you know, as far as a free agent. So I just feel like we've added to our team, how he's done a great job of adding to our football team and, you know, helping us, you know, get better.

And that's, you know, and so just, just, again, pumped for those guys, 33 and 27, just, you know, they're playmakers. and hopefully we get to see them here in Philadelphia for a long time. We can pull out of Nick. So the big takeaways, no real information on AJ Brown yet. The Bryce Huff thing is interesting, said his hands started bothering him after warm-ups. I think as you speculate, Vinnie, like if you're saying that, maybe you're not trying to trade him. How does one injure themselves in warm-ups, Vinny? You know, juice is flowing.

Yeah. Go a little. Is he a sick of him in the goalposts? You know. No, we do one-on-one in the past us there. And our guys going full out? No, you ain't supposed to, but, you know, you got to get a little bang in there. You know, so, you know, that first play of the game and surprising.

But I will. Well, I hope Josh is okay. I mean, Bryce is okay. And I hope AJ is okay, too, as well. I was waiting for him to say something about AJ. I hope that... It's such a big, like, if there's something serious and wrong with him, we know that the offense is not going to be as good.

Like, that goes without saying, you just... I was just going to say, like, when he left the game, the offense looked like crap again. I know it. They found it a little bit. Yeah, they did. They got back there in the fourth quarter late, but for like a quarter and a half.

And it was maybe only two possessions. I'd have to go back and look. But it does seem like when AJ leaves the game, it's almost like... Well, we saw it earlier this season. Yeah. I don't know if it's an internal panic. If they start calling plays more conservatively.

They'll know. They lean on them, man. Like there is a staunch difference between him being in and out of this Eagles offense. A couple of throws the middle of field to AJ in this game too. They hit that dig route a couple times in this one before he left and then the first half. So two for 36, yes. Yeah. So both of them coming through the middle of the field.

All right. Let's get to the superchats that we have. First from Kyle V says, did Jake sleep with Siriani's wife? and this, of course, because all the extra points being and field goal opportunities being taken off the board from Siriana. I saw another tweet that was like he's playing against Jake Elliott in his fantasy league this week. But certainly that would be a big story if that were the case, Kyle. From Roheet, the refs tried to hashtag rig it, but Nacobi hashtag stopped the steel. Very timely, nicely done.

Aaron D. Fran, compared to last year, does Jalen look better running to you now or no? I wouldn't say like significantly. Some people might disagree and say maybe he looks a little bit faster. I mean, certainly he was dealing with that injury sometime midseason last year. And we don't think that he's dealing with anything at the moment. But yeah, I don't think it's like especially more dynamic. But I could be wrong there.

And then finally from Frank, who says after how bad last year's linebackers were, it's amazing having these two out there now. And I think that's absolutely right, Vinnie. I mean, the quality of play from the linebackers, this season, certainly compared to last season, is night and day. I'm telling you, man, those guys, Nicole Dean deserve a dinner. And Zach, you better to have your folks call highway.

And Vic Fangio deserves to just, like, swag walk around there. So I was thinking, does Vic the GM? Get your chest out. Does Vic the GM now have some equity in there? Because, I mean, Zach Bond was his move. I think that's his guy. Yes. Like, is he going, I'm picking the linebackers?

And it's so funny, from day one, from the first offseason press conference, he was asked about inside linebackers. And the first guy he said was Zach Bonn. They had signed Devin White, Howie had really gasped up Nicobi Dean at the end of season press conference. And the first guy, Vic said from day one was Zach Bonn. And Bonn got the same, basically the same contract that Nicholas Morrow got the year before, the offseason previous.

And I mean, the difference in play. Oh, my God. I mean, it's like one of us was out there. Vinnie not what's standing. I think the Eagles would have been better off with me and a linebacker last year. But I think when you look at what he has offered this defense, we talk about the disguise element in terms of his ability to play up front on the line of scrimmage and then stacked his abilities in coverage.

We saw what he did to impact that interception back in week one. He gets the diving interception in this game, pass rush, run defense, screen defense. I mean, he's impacted the game in a lot of different ways so far. And it's really amazing. I believe Zach Bonn was the oldest starter on the defense. tonight at 27 years old. That's pretty good. They went last year, they were the oldest defense in the league when the skid

happened and the play. And this year they're the youngest. And Zach Bonn was your oldest player on the field tonight. I mean, that's a credit to Howie Rosenen in the front office for flipping it. Because I think the impact Cooper DeGine and Quignan Mitchell have had just on the athleticism and what you can do. I think it's undeniable. And I have your Quinyon Mitchell weekly stat porn if you'd like to hear it.

Oh, my God. I feel like you. You have fully staked out the Quignan Mitchell Corner. Yeah. Quignan Mitchell today. One target, one catch allowed, 11 yards. And yes, he played all 52 snaps. You don't hear from this guy unless he misses an interception that he almost had

because he's putting people in prison every single week. I mean, he's going to be a defensive rookie of the year candidate. This kid's unbelievable. If there's like a fan club, like, like, you know, one month. call it like Q and on. You would be the leader. I'm a Q. You're the Q shaman.

Just give me the Viking. Yeah, that's you. Meanwhile, Cooper de Jean continues to look the part as well. Yeah, so yeah, two huge pass breakups in this game. To your point, I don't know, man. They're going neck to neck right now. Yeah, like it does seem like Cooper to Jean. look i know you're coming out of the buy and they worked on some things and tackling

avante came in the night in the dime package on that and he got picked on immediately yeah the vante was getting picked on those first four weeks i love avante he was versatile played all sorts of positions for you father time and injuries have caught up with them it's obvious so so by putting cooper in i think it changed so much yeah and i know that that position is different on the inside and avante like when you're when you're in dime you're sort of like a pseudo linebacker right right but i and i know and i'm at this point, you got to feel like I'd like to see at least Isaiah Rogers be on the field and die him over, over Avanti Maddox now, the way he's played. I mean, I know he's mostly an outside

corner, but let's get him on the field. Yeah, and what I love too about it is the plays he made in this game with third, third down and fourth down, where just those high leverage moments. And we saw the plays he made in Crunchdale. He had the TFL against Jamar Chase last week on fourth down. He had the tackle on the low red zone on the goal line last week as well. He's just come up big. He seems to, and you would know better. He seems to mentally process. the play before it actually happens. Like that fourth and one today, I was talking about it with Fran at halftime.

He did the veteran kind of hook around the hip, come over top. This is his fourth game in the NFL. That's not like common. Between Isaiah Rogers, Zach Bonn, Milton Williams, three guys on defense who are all set to be free agents. Who do you think is most likely to be extended mid-season?

Yeah. Who's most likely to be extended? I would have to think Isaiah Rogers is kind of, I don't want to say expendable, but like with Cooper and Quinyon, doesn't that prioritize Bond over Rodgers? And theoretically, you've got Ringo as well. And Ricks. Yeah.

But my guess is they probably would have started Milton earlier in the process, so he would probably be further along. I think if they were going to do Milton, they would have already done Milton. I think Milton is now so close to free agency that he might want to play it out. No way. Yeah. But I would say, that's what I was to say.

I feel like Milton would have been started earlier, but I feel like it would be Bonn if it would be anybody. But the thing with Bonn is, he feels tied to fick yeah right so if you're at any bit like not 100% sure that the coaching staff is going to be back probably don't extend Zach Bond whereas Isaiah Rogers theoretically could play in any in any defense I don't know so it's Rogers for you I think it probably is bond at this point the fact they're six and two like got yeah but but I think that would be the case I would make for for Rogers it would be nice just to not we have to reset linebacker all over again next year right Yes.

I think you can absorb the loss of Rogers more than you can absorb the loss of a starting impact line back. Did you ever deal with an in-season contract discussion, Vinny? Oh, yeah, yeah, we have. Do you actually stay out of it and is it all agent or is there? Well, shed some light on this. When the team is rolling, you want to stay out of it because you don't want it to start. Thinking about it out there and that's what you play. That's a nice ring you got on.

Oh, man, I appreciate it. Yeah, how did you get that? Where did you get that? You know, I was, I was feeling, I was trying to bring some good juju to the You did? Were you talking to rub it in Shady's face? No.

Yeah. You got too old. Yeah. That's true. You know? But he didn't get one here. Yeah. He got two old.

All right. We are. We would have got one here. Yeah. If they didn't get traded for Kiko Alonjo. Belly shirt.

How'd you feel about a guy? That's what I asked. I asked Shady today at the, at the press conference. I said like is that is that wound still there? From from getting traded? And he says, yeah, I mean, like.

A little bit. Like he's not a player anymore, so it's not really there. But like, yeah, like, that's a real thing. The locker room was quiet for about two weeks, bro. When that happened. And this is how the locker room was. It was the feeling just like, damn, if they can do that to Shady, they can do that to every one of us?

Well, you got to stand there, he was the life of the locker room, you know? He was the life of a locker room. You could have been having a crazy or bad day. He walking there. Whatever was going on in your mom. mind, and he don't took it off of it because he probably doesn't say something crazy of his mouth or just trying to get everybody fired off for practice, bro. And he would tell you how it was, but you knew it was coming from a great place.

I was thinking about this, actually, because I was watching the new Netflix documentary on the Red Sox 2014, the comeback, just fantastic. And it's interesting, Theo Epstein, who we think of as, like, the most analytically forward GM is talking about, like, the importance of Kevin Millar as, like, the guy who's just bringing energy every day because if you don't have that guy who's just always in a good mood, like the vacuum gets filled with like negative thoughts and stuff like that. We know that BG brings that and Shady very much brought that as well in addition to being as amazing as it was on the field.

Oh, absolutely. Because, you know, you had to lean on each other to bring that energy. So you'll see a lot of more guys coming out their shell, you know, and really letting their personality show when he wasn't there because. If not, they would have been super quiet the whole entire year. You know what I mean? So it was just crazy.

Especially the year before, he was the damn NFL league in Russia. Yeah. Is there a LaShawn McCoy play that stands out most of you? Oh, my God. What? Yes.

Snow game? Man. Snowball, right. But, yo, first of all, Snow game was crazy. Like, like, yo, how's everybody getting to the same? And it's like, you know,

but if you go, like, that game was so. so insane because like I told you, he, what you see is what you get. With him, his energy level was still high, oh, snowing out there. We should probably go out there in my terms. Nah, nah, I'm about to kill him, no. I'm about to kill him though. And he went out there and he killed him.

Killed him. Killed him. Oh, he did not slow down. Like the man was running full speed, still cutting on the dime. Like he called himself, you know what I mean? Right in the middle of the snow, I'm like, yo, this is crazy. He said he loves that game because he, he, he, he, he said, he loves that game because he, he he was like much easier on his body than any other game

because not only could they not tackle him but when they did you get to land in like pillowy snow so it didn't like hurt his body said it was so much so that he was able to go out quickly after the game yeah man definitely one of the greatest runnerbacks to to come through so how about off the field do you have a favorite shady story oh man I told you he was like the life

he was either life at a party or in off the field it was never a dull moment with him I also asked shady after his press conference I said I hear you've been here you've been watching Vinny He said, yeah, I always knew Vinny was going to be great on TV. I said him in BG, they got the best personalities. They're made for it. So there you go.

So Vinny, if you're a GM, I'll put you on the spot, ass on the griddle. You got to pick one running back. Or is it shady? You got one game, one Super Bowl to win. Who are you choosing? Hi, my name is. Slim Shade. It's a good team.

You got to stick with your guy. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, when he left here, he's still tore the league up. That's nothing to get that part. Yeah. I mean, his longevity isn't. It was insane. I always, I used to have this debate on sports radio.

I think he's a Hall of Fame caliber running back, whether he gets in or not is going to be, you know, I know, I know pro football reference has like their calculator. Right. And they kind of rank things. I haven't looked at where he is, but like he's going to be on that doorstep. Oh, but then the argument is, if you look it up, he has a lot of, his numbers is better. than some people that's already. Oh, absolutely. So you can't jump the man.

That's the thing. Running back is one of those positions where, you know, there are so many guys that made it in there. You're like, I don't know if they've got their resume. I mean, Shady's resume. It speaks for itself. Yeah, it does. Yeah, I don't think there's like there's a lot of running backs of this generation

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All right. We have reached the play-by-play breakdown segment of the PHLY Eagles post-game show. One thing that was very underrated about shady all those years ago, pretty good in blitz pickup, which was not necessarily known from him entering the league. But we saw that from Sequin in this game as well, Fran. A huge play in this game, third and nine in the fourth quarter. Let's take a look at what Sequin does, his awareness. his friend. Why don't you break it down? This was an unbelievable play by Sequin Barkley. I am glad that

they pointed it out on the broadcast live because that allowed everybody else to kind of pick up on it. But Jalen Hurts ends up running for 21 yards on this play. And basically when you look at Seekwan Barclay, he starts with his vision on the right. Jacksonville. We talked in the week leading up to this game that they blitzed less than anybody in football, but they like to line up in those pressure looks on third and long. And they have the threat and you have to respect that threat. And so So Sequan's lined up to Jalen Hertz's right, and he's got his eyes on that way. But as soon as that player drops out, he is looking for work immediately. He gets back over to the other side.

They sent a rusher off the far left, and he's there to pick him up and give Jalen Hertz, that extra beat in the pocket, saves a hit from Hertz and gives Hertz that alley to be able to take off and run for 21 yards. It's an outstanding job that this would be a play that could kind of get lost in the shuffle. Again, nearly 200 yards total on the day for Seekwan Barkley, two touchdowns, through the air, one on the ground. If you were watching the pre-show, you may have been able to make some little extra cheddar from Jamie Lynch on the two extra

touchdowns there from Sequin. But when you look at this play, this was one of the ones that stood out to me, certainly. I had the bet three, six, five odds boosts today, Bo. And Vinnie, Fran, you can tell me my thinking was this. I went with Seekwant two touchdowns because it was three straight games of three touchdowns rushing for Jalen. I know Nick's a big fan in the show. He cares about what I say.

He heard me bitching about the Twitchwood. No doubt about it. I like that. He heard me bitching about the touch push last weekend. So I said, Mr. Emotional Intelligence is going to want to get his workhorse some touchdowns. So I choose the two touchdowns for Sequin, over 75 yards. I needed AJ Brown 75 yards or more.

And he was well on his way at halftime. And the injury cost me a 16. And we will get to the first of those touchdowns from Sequin in a minute. But also, we didn't talk about a cowards draw a touchdown yeah you you weren't in the stadium for it right so that i just left exactly did it chill like i could hear it as it happens like it was like somewhere a coward straw just hit yes that's exactly what happened i do you think so process is being on the other end i know for i know for doubt i mean that is as as insult to injury as you could possibly get

that's going to be chewing them up all week and like untouched for two brutal uh all right let's go to the defensive side of the ball vini let's look at the uh the first sack of the game for the Eagles defense. Josh Sweat finishes it. Milton Williams starts it. I don't know if you can see it. Yeah, can you make it a little bigger? Yeah, so what you see here is you know.

Milton beats his guy. Yeah, a million beats his guy, you know, but Josh, you see the speed, the power with the get off. Josh is, you know, you didn't understand that, you know, Trevor was going to set back kind of deeper. and Josh just took his guy, took him high, speed the power on, came off his side for the sack. What kind of, does Josh Sweat remind you of anybody, anybody that you played with? I'm just giving him a bigger view here of the play.

Yeah, yeah. So now I would just say that it goes to show you how strong and how far Josh came, you know, what he added to his toolbox in this game. So it was definitely cool to see him go out there today and get two sacks. And he has been close the last couple weeks. I told him to see you know. Yes. And so for him to finish one, even if it sort of started with Milton, that is nice to see.

All right. Let's go now to the Sequin touchdown reception, Fran. And we've sort of, you know, we saw week one, they throw it a Seekwon. And we're thinking maybe this is going to be a bigger part of the offense. And it hasn't really been a big part of the offense, but they hit the wheel in this one. Yeah. And so really the big thing that you see here on this play is that they send Jahan Dotson in motion just before the snap. And that's going to be an indicator.

Jalen Hertz that this is going to be some kind of man coverage potentially. But when no one runs with Jahan Dotson, it's like, all right, it could be zone here. And that could have spooked Jalen Hertz off and say like, oh, maybe I'm not going to throw this wheel route. But he actually does a nice job because it still ends up being isolated coverage where you get the one-on-one with Sequin Barclay and the linebacker. They basically ran a post wheel. So you're taking that receiver that's at the bottom of the screen and you're going to have him run the post. that's Grant Calcutera running down the seam and then towards the middle of the field. That's going to basically create that one-on-one matchup for Sequin Barclay.

This was a really nice ball from Hertz over the shoulder. Great finish from Barclay, obviously, well, of looking it in, but also kind of like the Devante play where he makes sure that both feet inbound. He drugged that left foot there at the end. So you get two feet in, but really nice job by the Eagles because, again, the Jacksonville Jaguars, they play more man coverage than anybody. So you had that ability. We said it that you had to feel good.

about all of these matchups, AJ Brown, Devante Smith, even Calcutara, but you look to Sequan Barclay, and so you feel good about the Eagles winning all of those matchups. If it's man-to-man,

the Eagles got the matchup they wanted. Jalen Hertz delivered, great ball, great catch by Seekwan. And just so the people in the chat know, I got to stand up for my guy, Andrew, because the rules of YouTube, we're not allowed to just go full screen on that thing.

We have to show who it's coming from. The NFL will shut us down. The attribution, so, you know, lay off my man. I got your back. It's like he's got a shady. he's back. I got your at your back,

answer. Lay off my man. Nice job, Fran. Jamie, it finally happened. The first quarter touchdown! And I love that it was so committed to the bit that they still couldn't do it on their opening drive, but they were able to do it before the defense ever took the field.

Sidney Brown again. Thanks to Sidney Brown. Throw them on the dinner tab the night. Sidney Brown got the Eagles their first quarter point, so nobody can talk about it anymore. Finally happened. You know what's weird is the two teams that I think are the worst. worst that are the chiefs and the Eagles this year in first quarter points. I believe that was in my notes from earlier today.

So it's not indicative of being a bad team per se, which is weird. Well, yes. And as De Niz has pointed out, the Eagles are like the worst offense in the league on first and second drives this season and by far the best on the third driving on. So bizarre. So does that the 15 play scripted, it's got to be, right?

Gotta be. What else to be? But you know, they came out a little conservative in this game on offense. You know, when stuff gets started getting stagnant, you know, shit, I'll just, for 15 plays, I just wrote who? Take, whoa. No, I just can. It's just kidding. Just can't.

Just 15 straight handoff. See what happens. Yeah. One of them eventually going to pop. Yeah, seriously. He's that dynamic. There we go. One thing that was interesting on offense from the game plan standpoint, Fred.

It was funny. Last week, we saw the Jamar Chase touchdown. coming from out of the backfield. And we were like, you know what? Remember they did that with Devante, like last year for one or two plays, and we haven't seen it since? They put it back in the game plan for this game. We saw it five or six times.

And there was only one time when they threw it to them, actually should have been intercepted. Yes. But what did you see from them using that? Yeah, I think it's one of those things where you can help to dig it. First of all, it's a good way to give Jalen Hurst some information before the snap because it can be a man's own tell, much in the way that when they line up in empty

and you've got a running back lined up at number one receiver and Devante Smith lined up at number three. When you put Devante Smith in the backfield, that can bring a corner inside and now all of a sudden you know okay, it's going to be man to man coverage. Or if they don't do that, now you feel good that it could be a good

matchup that you like where it's Devante against a linebacker. So you have that ability to kind of dictate to the defense in that way. So I'm excited to go back and just kind of see what exactly the Eagles we're hoping to do off of a of those concepts, but it is funny that we saw that last week and they watched

it, I'm sure, though the whole week before. Oh, yeah, we could do that. Oh, yeah, this is something that we have done in the past. And look, Kellan Moore has had experience doing that because he's done it with C.D. Lamb in the past, and I know he did it with Keenan Allen last year as well. They had him run some routes out of the backfield. And so, who knows, maybe that's something we'll continue

to see. You mentioned C.D. Lamb. We should mention Cowboys on tap next weekend. CD Lamb, Dak Prescott both leave this game and do not return with injuries. Cooper Rush. can beat us. You know, like, it's just one of those things.

I'm not going to say it. The Cowboys do suck. I mean, DAC is saying it on the sidelines. I have the line right here on Bet365. Let's take a little guessing game. Eagles at Dallas, bet 365 next week. I thought it was here. It's at?

No, it's at, right? It's at, right? Yeah. Four 25 game. I would imagine Brady's on the call, maybe. Eagles by three. Three and a half. Six and a half.

Wow. They must think DAC is out. Cowboys are cooked. I mean, Dak is on the sideline going, we bleep and suck. All right. So let me ask you this,

Vinny. You're on a podcast with your teammate. You're playing. Okay, so this is your playing days. You're on a podcast with your teammate. And you're talking about another team's quarterback.

And you're like, oh, he's probably a top 10 quarterback. And you start going through the list of all the quarterbacks in the NFL. They're probably in the top 10. And you don't name your guy. So that's what Michael Parsons and Trayvon Diggs did this last week.

They were talking about Jaden Daniels. And they were like, they're like, oh, he's got to be a top 10 quarterback and they start going like, oh, well, the top 10 quarterbacks, you know, oh, my homes and they start going out of list and they don't mention DAC. Slipping of the mind or you think like that's something or this is why you don't podcast in season.

No, no, listen. Now, wait, I'm on an opposing team or? No, it's your team. It's your teammate. You and Shady. What if you did that and you didn't say Mike Vick? Right. I don't think, I would have to go back on that.

Right. Yeah. I'm trying to fix it. Take it down. We edit us. Just saying that. We're trying to fix that as quick as possible. Like, the fact you didn't say that,

then it trickles down to today, and he's on the sideline going to suck. Yeah. It goes to show you what they got going on over there. But show no sympathy. Step on it. Yep. So, Vin, like, there's extra juice this week, right?

Oh, yeah. What? Yeah. Even when the Cowboys suck, like, you're... Man. You may have felt it more than others. Because when they suck, that's their business. And when we come in there,

we still got to go in there and hit everything moving, you know, because they wouldn't care. Yeah. It's a tough watch that team right now. I mean, I watched their offense Thursday, Friday, their defense over the weekend. I mean, they're not creating any explosives defensively, like not getting any stops. The pressure is very up and down. Offensively, they can't run the ball. They've got nothing outside of C.D. Lamb.

They look really defeated. When something don't go their way, right away, oh, my God, it looks defeated. Yeah, it's a rough team. They've always sort of been front runners. This is from my notes today. So like, Sequin's going to have another huge game next week. The Dallas run defense is atrocious.

They've allowed 12 rushing touchdowns, the second most in the NFL behind only the Panthers. And Dallas is 32nd in rushing per EPA per play and 31st in rush success rate per play. That was prior to today's game. So that could change a little bit. But they're like a dumpster fire. And that's when we're going into the season.

And everybody was like, their defensive tackles are terrible. Like, that's one where you talked about the Eagles linebackers last year. Franon and Jamie, you guys might be able to start for the Cowboys. They got what? Lindell Joseph. They got, they got some God. They signed Linball. He played for Mike Zimmer.

So they were like, oh, we got to bring that. And their first round pick from last year, Mazzie Smith is not good. He played. But it doesn't matter because say quantity to go for $200. Mazee Smith plays like every down. I don't think, I don't know if he has a pressure yet. And he's getting moved in the run game. Like, I mean, if you compare him to Jordan Davis, like, it's not even close.

Jordan is definitely further along. This does not always turn out well. Yes. And the Cowboys have had some very good draft picks in recent years. Sure. But I will tell you that my understanding is the reaction in the Eagles building when the Cowboys drafted, Mazzie Smith was like, oh, yeah. That guy's not good. And you want to hear about Dak Prescott as an underdog real quick before we get to Zach?

Yes. In his career as an underdog, Dak Prescott is 17 and 20. against the spread, but in his last 12 games as a dog, he is just two and 10 against the spread in the last 12 starts. Since 2020, he's four and 12 against the spread as a dog. The only quarterbacks that are worse, Bryce Young, Justin Fields, and Mack Jones. What about Cooper Rush? Nice.

Oh, he's going to light us up. All right, we have our man. The pool reporter for all of us. Look at that backdrop. Zach Berman. sharp got the lights on at the link he's at the 45 dartline looking good he's giving us just a little tasteful tasteful tasteful tasteful little glimpse of chest air fantastic Zach Berman how you doing i'm doing well i'm doing well been a busy few hours um pumped to come on the show was was worried

i was going to keep you guys hanging for a little too long so hustled up here from a little disheveled that's why i was trying to hustle up but uh thrilled to talk to you guys all right let's start with your your uh responsibility for the larger reporter group the pool report how did it go what did the refs have to say so bo i don't know if the eagles have released it to everybody yet so i've got kind of work now i have uh so i have a responsibility to the show too right like i want to make you're providing information you have already done your part you have you have given it to the league to do you have done your okay now you're ours yes now for the people who don't understand who who who this may be fresh to them.

If there is something that the umpires or the referees need to be interviewed for about the game, there was one person who is designated as a pool reporter. It's usually the handsomest of the reporters is how they decide, and that is you. I don't know about it. Well, that's not how it's, it might be the shortest, right? You draw the short straw. So, yeah. No, yeah.

And then you're not supposed to use it for your own purposes. You're supposed to, it's for the good of the group. But I will tell you guys this. If you did speak to an official about this, the explanation might be that Sequin was, there was contact from 51, the defensive player. But then after that, there was contact from 69, the offensive player, Landon Dickerson. And therefore, it's considered a stumble instead of down by contact because he hit his player thereafter. Had he not hit his offensive player after the contact from the defensive player, it would have been downed. down by contact. So because he hit the offensive player, it's considered a stumble as opposed to down by

contact. Is that, is that like defined in the rulebook? Like if he was on his way down and then bounced off Landon Dickerson and then went to the like that that feels a little bit incomplete. I actually don't think it was the worst call in the world, but but go ahead. Yeah. Well, so I actually while I was waiting to speak to someone from the officiating staff, I was watching the beginning of the show and I saw there are a lot of questions about this in the chat, so I'm glad I can address it. Yeah, I think the distinction here is between stumble and down by contact, and that was considered specifically to be a stumble.

Interesting. Okay, and was that the only question that a poor reporter would have asked the referees about, were he to do so? Well, yeah, so then I asked why it was ruled a fumble. And then after that, my follow-up question then was, what would have it taken for the contact from 51 to be considered down by contact. And what they say? If he didn't hit the offensive player afterwards.

Got it. Essentially. Speaking to Saquan about it, Sequin, he said on that play there that he knew once it was rolled a fumble on the field, it was going to be a fumble. He said he's been, he said plays like that before.

So he wasn't surprised by the call. Did he didn't think his, did he didn't think his ball security was going? down because of the contact from a defender? Well, yeah. So I said that you think you were down by contact there. And he's like, it's a play that bothers him, but there was nothing he could. He thought his ball security was good on that play.

So he was like, you know, it's one of those, your elbow hits the ground. He thought, he thought it was down. But does he think he was tackled? Or does he think he just tripped over Lana Dickerson? Oh, he didn't, he just said he wasn't surprised by the call. Okay. So it's a good question. All right.

Now, once again, a win for the Eagles in which Nick Siriani is very much under, under focus, lots of fourth-down decisions and two-point conversion decisions in this game game. What did you think of Nick Siriani's game management? Well, I'll actually get some reporting from the locker room here. And I know you ask me, I do want to give my opinion here. but I think it was interesting because Lane Johnson was fairly honest. I spoke to Lane about this. Like I was specifically asking Lane, and Lane thought they should have scored 40 points today. So he was frustrated.

He said, it's not wrong. He said this was, yeah, this was a game they should have scored more points. And he was real frustrated about some of the situational stuff, which Jaylen Hertz also referenced. But I asked Lane about the field goals and the two. point conversion or the fourth downs and two point conversions in particular. And he said he would have no problem kicking field goals in those spots. That's that's that's kind of what he said there. So, you know, he's like they have to execute, but he would have no problem with with field goals in the spots. I think Lane's feeling was that there was points left on the board. And I will have all that

in my article like fleshed out a little bit more. But that's that's kind of the highlights there. is I thought, I thought Lane was fairly honest about that. Because I was getting a lot of texts about this through the game. My perspective, yeah, my perspective is that I am always in favor of going for two-point conversions when you get the penalty and you're on the one-yard line. It's just the probability of converting from one yard away is it's high enough that it's worth doing it. some of the fourth down calls I typically like going four fourth downs

especially short yard situations and I don't agree that like just because they're stopping you on one doesn't mean you don't do it next I think you have to look at it almost like you're playing blackjack right if you're hitting on 16 right and you bust you don't just stick the next time you're right it's independent that said

that said I would have made it a two possession game right I would have gone for the field goal when they were or what did I admit at an eight point game was it were they up five or were they up six at that point they were up five they were five yes and then I

it still would have been a one possession game two score game essentially touchdown next so I would have ensured that you can't lose the lead I would have kicked the field goal there I would have it was fourth and inches I would have gone for the touch push to me the bigger the problem was not going for the touch push and if you don't trust it then probably

kicked the field goal. We didn't talk about the 57-yarder. Yeah. So fourth and three, just over two minutes left. The Jaguars have used up all of their timeouts. They go for the 57-yard field goal, and Jake Elliott hits the post and does not go in. Let's go around the horn. What would you have done on that one?

I probably would have kicked it. I would have kicked it. Jake Elliott has a lot of equity. You're listening, man, nine times out of 10, he hits that kick. Yeah. In the moment, I thought I did not feel great about it. You asked me in the moment you were like, I was like, oh, I don't feel good about it

when I would kick. That was a tough one. Yeah, like I lean like I would have gone for it, but I wouldn't have felt good about it. I did not realize it was 57. Like I thought, I was right, you kicked the field goal, you're in good shape. And then when they said 57 yards, I was like, oh.

Yeah. Because you're giving them short field then. Yeah. Go ahead, Zach. Yeah, I was surprised in real time, right? And it was one of those things I had to talk myself into the field goal there. I was like, I guess this makes sense. I thought that should have kicked the field goal earlier.

when it was actually fourth in inches, right? So then I guess it makes sense. I just thought fourth and three try to end up, try to end the game with the ball in your hands. That's what I was thinking there, similar to the Falcons game. But I didn't have reservations about it

because you want to make it, you want to make it such that you can't lose the game. But I, like Fran said, 57 yards, that's a long field goal. I actually don't think that's like, an automatic car. There's temper kids out here

making 62 yarders weekly. What's 57 anymore? I do think in the larger conversation is that there doesn't seem to be consistency in the decision

making from Nick Siriani. It's not like he has a philosophy that he sticks to. It seems a little bit too dependent on his whims. But now you guys heard Siriani, right? So like I don't like

the idea that, well, this is your bread and butter play for three years. Jacksonville stopped it, so then you're going to get away from it? Yeah. Yeah, I did not like that. He's the one who has to have the balls to go for it on fourth down. Like, that's his job is to have the balls.

Yeah. Yeah. I like being aggressive. I didn't like those play calls. Zach, I texted you something I'm curious of and I'm wondering if it came up with Sequin. Absolutely. You know, the Devante Smith touchdown saved a lot of things there. But Seekwan not picking up the first in theory.

you know, short of the sticks there. I understand what he was trying to do. Maybe he thought he had the first down. Is that something that's coached up that way? Or was that Sequin's decision to go down there? Because it almost ended up being a costly one. Yeah, Jamie, Wayne, you tell me to get on something. I get on it.

And I was, I was actually planning on asking that. But actually my friend, Dave Zengaro asked it right before I did. And so this is, this is what happened there. It wasn't something he was coached to do. He was worried about ball security in that spot. He didn't feel, he didn't quite know where the defender was, okay, in that spot. And then he, he didn't totally feel comfortable with kind of like his, I don't want to say his ball security there, but he just felt uneasy in that spot there. And not knowing where the defenders were, he thought the best thing to do would be live for another play.

He was, it was not a matter of trying to stay in bounds. Okay. He says, Nick Siriani reps him on this. He understands situationally. The first down is better than the clock there. So he said he wasn't worried about not getting or about going out of bounds. He said his teammates said when he got to the sideline, you could have gotten the first. He should have listened to them.

But in the moment there, he was worried about the ball security and not knowing where the Jaguar's defender was and not kind of feeling totally comfortable with how his body was. In that particular moment, he thought go down, live for another play. Interesting. Cutting the lights on you, Zach. Yeah, actually, I like what we're getting here. It's almost like a 360 view because we get the reflection from behind you. So your animated hand motions, we're getting a little bit of in the mirror there.

Yeah, if I had a broken hand, it's like a speech impediment sometimes, right? Oh, speaking of that, Bryce Hoff, Siriani says he might have dinged up the hand there prior to the game in warm-up. What's a what's the ZB interpretation on that? I'm not buying it. I'll defer to Vinnie on this. Yeah, I'll defer to Vinny on this is that if a player hurts his hand in warmups, you're either playing him or not playing him, right? You're not just randomly putting them in on a few third downs, I imagine.

Number one, number two, my understanding is Bryce off declined comment after the game. right, which would indicate that there's something here he did not want to talk about. And it just seemed, the usage did not seem to suggest injury related to me. Maybe I'm wrong. I feel like this is the most skeptical I've ever heard of you. I agree. Yeah. And I'm not, look, I'm not calling like Siriani a liar or anything like that.

I think Siriani's covering for his player. I just think that that was a convenient explanation. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. But like to me, if you're injured, you're probably not playing or you're going to play early on and feel it out. And then, you know, it's not feeling right. You come off. But you wouldn't wait for like the third series to put them in on a third down and on the third series of a game.

That just doesn't add up to me. It's like your your hands okay to play on a third down on the third series, but not the first series or the second series. It just doesn't. Yeah. It smells fishy to me. I am loving the side of you. This is fantastic. Question everything, Zach.

Yeah. What else did you learn from the locker room, Zach? Yeah. So look, there's a lot of praise for Sequin's play there, as you can imagine. You heard what Nick Siriani said. I heard that throughout the locker room. Just players were enthused by that play and just so impressed by it. J. Owen Hertz was interesting.

Jalen Hertz, of course, said, you guys didn't ask me about Jacksonville's defense this week. I told you this is what Jacksonville's defense was like in the front. He said they need to play better situationally. And so I asked him, what specifically situationally are you referring to? And he said fourth downs. So that's what jumped out to him. And then also not finishing with the ball in their hands is something that was brought up there. someone prefaced a reporter john mcmullen prefaced a question by saying how how good he is at throwing the deep ball and jalen said that's the first time i've ever heard that uh which actually surprised me i thought he's like all he he said he said that they said i i can't throw that pass i've actually thought that was

something that jones always been praised for was was the deep ball so um i don't know if this is like uh that feels like michael jordan carrying all the sleigh yeah yeah but um he's He was saying how he didn't have vision on Devante on that touchdown. He said one thing that's kind of underrated or that people don't really think about is that the quarterback doesn't always have vision on the play. And so you kind of have to trust your guy down there where he's supposed to be. And it's something that you rep. I thought it was interesting, too, that Nkobi Dean, he spoke about how the interception that he had was to play he got beat on in the open practice.

practice. And it's something that guys have been that like Jalen and Kenny Gainwell had been working on with him. And so actually I went up to Jalen after the press conference and I was just like looking for just like a simple thing. But Jalen, I actually spoke to Jalen I don't want to say for a while for maybe two or three minutes after the press

conference about that Nicopi. Yeah, well about that Nicopi play. And it was he was giving really interesting insight on on like little things, you know, little things that that defensive players might do that you have these conversations about. So like Slays Interception in training camp. It's something that like they're, they're talking about. So there's been conversations with the Kobe Dean in that route, right? There's two ways they can go,

right? You know, and like to look out for it. And that this is something that the Kobe's drilled and the Kobe's worked on. And so when Nicole was in that spot, he, I don't want to say he knew what to do, but he was able to play the technique that he did and had the anticipation that he did based on conversations that they've had since Kenny Gainwell beat him right over there in the open practice. That's great insight. That's fantastic. Zach, you mentioned that Jalen said he didn't see Devante Smith on the on the big play touchdown. One receiver he did not see throughout the second half was A.J. Brown. Any word from the locker room, any vibes, any thoughts in terms of what his availability could be in the future. I know, you know, Nick Siriani said it in the press

conference that he had no information. Obviously, that's what he's going to say postgame, but any feeling on how extensive that could be? Good question. Because A, there was not information on it, but I'll give kind of color that you might not have saw on TV because this was happening right in front of me. Did they show it on TV? Like, what was happening? Not much. They just showed up into the tunnel. Yeah, so it was right in front of me. And so the, so the, the defense was on the field, but I was, I saw something wasn't right with AJ. Like he, he, he wasn't

standing where he typically stands. He snipped it out. The journalism. He wasn't, he wasn't standing where he typically stands. So he was standing on the complete opposite side. And, uh, and he was, he was speaking, uh, to, well, he was, he was speaking to, to Hunklely, the head head trainer. And then they called DeLuca over Peter DeLucah, who was, uh, I believe the orthopedic surgeon. Um, and then they were talking. And then at one point, Seekwan came over. like came over from the other side to chat real quick with AJ. And then I didn't know if it was an equipment adjustment or what. But he was speaking.

So you got the training staff and the medical staff, top officials from the training staff and the medical staff. He chatted with them and then he walked right to the locker. Now on his way to the locker, he stopped and gave Lashaw McCoy a hug. But this was striking to me because typically you don't come out for the second half, right? You're injured. you don't come out for the second half. He was out there. He was in pads, right?

Because this was the thing I was watching for. I wanted to see if AJ came out. He was in pads. He was there. And then when he went over to that side, he was meeting with it. That struck me as odd. So there was something there that didn't quite feel right for AJ. So I don't have information on a prognosis.

It is a knee, which always gets you a little concerned here. So Zeeb, do you trust the online doctors of the world that diagnose things live in real time? No. Well, they know better than I do. What are they saying? Deepak Chona, MD, sports medical analytics says, from the video I can see on AJ Brown, video suggests no severe mechanism, unclear diagnosis. It's terrible.

Suspect short-term injury, but TBD. Practice will be key. So not a lot, but it looks like nothing. I could have told you that part of the evaluation. But yeah. All right. So, well, yeah. Now, he was walking.

I mean, I guess it's mildly good news. Yeah, yeah. It's not as if he was carted off. I did not see him in the locker room. Nick had not met with the medical staff yet, but it did strike me that he came back out and that he was in uniform there. Now, Zach, one thing that has been gangbusters

for P-H-L-Y business over the past 24 hours. I just want to ask you, do you have any insight, were there any pushing and shoving matches between players and reporters after the game? This could get you on Good Morning America. I would love to be on Good Morning America. That'd be a great spot.

No, there were, no, there was no pushing, there was no shopping, anything of that nature. But if you know any, you know, I have actually have a good friend from college whose wife, I believe, is one of the booking producers. It's part of Good Morning America. So I've never been asked to be on, but that'd be a pretty cool spot. Well, Kyle Newback is going to be big time with you in the office this week. I know. I saw that on Slack. That's impressive. Good job by Kyle. Zach, where does the Sequin play and the Devante catch? Where do those two rank in the pantheon of the best plays that you've seen live? Well, real quick, by the way, on the Sequin play, I said I had never seen that before.

He said he's done that before against Iowa in college. So we got to go back and watch the film here, the Penn State Iowa game. but he said he had done that before. The Sequechuan play was like the most athletically marveling play. Now I've seen LaShawn make cuts that are just ridiculous, right? But I didn't know that you can like hurdle someone backwards like that. I've never quite seen that before. I was trying to think about it like even in track and meet things,

in track and field meets, You don't see backwards hurdles, right? So that was, yeah. So that was as impressive of an athletic feat as I've seen. Devante's catch, like the hand-eye coordination there. Now, I've seen a lot of one-handed catches recently. Garrett Wilson catch the other night was awesome. That was really impressive.

Obviously, Odell's. But the best catch I've ever seen, and you guys might remember this. It was Vinny's rookie year. Jason Avon against Tampa Bay. I remember that. Do you remember that? And he like picked the ball out of the air from the nose of the football.

He knew it right when you said it. Okay, yeah. That to me, that was the best catch I've ever seen. Now, it wasn't as consequential. Although the Eagles did win the game. It was the only win after the three and one start all year that year was in Tampa Bay.

Nick Foles to Jeremy Mcwin on the right side to win the game. But that was probably the best catch I've seen this when you consider Devante tonight that that was huge. I have to put Alshan Jeffries catch in the Super Bowl, not as like impressive of like the athletic, but he just the coordination that it took to go up there for that. And his shoulder was all effed up too.

Exactly. Exactly. So. He famously said about that catch. Oh, that was a pretty good catch. You know what? Elshon and I always had good conversations. I love Alshan.

I guess she doesn't speak loudly. Yeah, yeah. I always had to know what the, you know, I always had to know the score of the Chicago Bulls game the night before, right, for any small talk with Alshan because, like, if you asked him anything about, you know, receiving, yeah, he wouldn't say much. But if I brought up, like, you know, the Bulls game the night before, it would be like a 12-minute conversation in the locker.

Lanzzo wasn't there at the time. But, yeah, he did love his bulls. Is this fair? Do you remember this about Al-Loss? Alshan, he spoke in a very low volume, or was that just a reporter? No, no, he's supposed to. That's how he is. Can I tell my real, like a real mellow tone for it to yourself, you know?

Can I tell my favorite Alshan story? Please. So, Super Bowl parade, where, you know, we get to, it didn't take long before, like, the, the, the, the Miller light cans were flying from the, from the fans and into all the floats. And we were towards the art museum. I was in the last float in the parade. And Alshan had come into our floats. So he's up there. So we're, you know, there's beers coming from all angles.

And Alshan catches it. It was dangerous because those things were flying. And Alshan caught one in the back of the head. So he takes one like, Alshan, like, are you all right? He's like, yeah, I don't have to pass protocol for five months. That was like one of the only conversations I ever had with him. That's pretty good. My best Alshan story is he called me over one time.

He called me over one time. And with no context then and no context now, I still don't know what he's referring to. Called me over. And he said, hey, he said, don't let those MF or F with you. Okay? And I'm not saying the whole thing. He just said that. And I was like, what?

He's like, don't let them F with you. And that was it. And I still don't know what he was referring to to this day. He was talking about this show. He was talking about this show. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He was thinking about a Penn professor on a Friday. He was coming to you with a vision from the future.

Maybe so. Maybe so. So, Zach, real quick, sorry. Vinnie said, you know, if he's Nick Siriani, he's taking Nicoby Dean out and Devante Smith out for dinner today. If Zach Berman's given out a game ball today, who's number one, two, and three? And in what order do you have them? Good question.

So actually, in the locker room, Sequin and Nikobe both got game balls. I'm still giving Seekwan to game ball. here. Well, he had a buck 50 plus, right? And, you know, it's, it's his fourth game with over 100 yards. That third down touchdown was huge. The third and long touchdown, I asked Siriani about that. I probably give Nicobi Dean the second game ball. That's, that's a, that's a game-saving pick. And then the third game ball, probably Devonte. Maybe he's Yeah, yeah, probably Devante. The old, I thought the old line was hit and miss, probably Devante.

Okay. Am I missing someone? Zach Vaughn played real well. Zach Bond and Vinny mentioned Sidney Brown as well. Huge play. Oh, that was a huge play. That was a huge play. You gotta give out a special team game ball.

That's right. That's true. Yeah, that's exactly right. All right, Zach, what can we look forward to reading on all pHOY.com and any other leftovers that we should know about? Yeah, I'm going to do that thing where I have words that kind of come back. Keep going back to that joke. So a couple letters together, form of word.

Yeah. So I'm going to put the spotlight on Sequin's play, Nicopi's play, and Devante's play. Okay. And then I'm going to get into the poor situational work, you know, some of the, like how they left points on the board here, some of the Nick Siriani's decisions. And then I'll probably look at the big picture part. of this, which is the fact that, you know, and I said this on the pregame show, talking to Jamie and Fran, and I felt this before the game, I feel it now. Like back during the bye week, I said maybe everyone's overreacting, right? This is a soft schedule coming up. And here they are.

They've won four in a row. They're six and two. And I would say there's going to be a point in the season where it won't look like this either, right? When you face the Ravens there, you know, we'll see how that Rams game pans out. We'll see the Washington game on a short week. They have some tougher games coming up here, too. So it's usually not as good as it seems when you're winning. It's not as bad as it seems when you're losing, although last year was actually worse than I thought when they were losing. But yeah, look, they're in a really good spot here, six and two, but there's a lot they need to fix. And I do think tonight's an example of a game where, like Lane said, they should have put up 40. They left points on the board. And against

good teams, you can't leave as many points on the border as they did tonight. Last thing for me, Zach, you sort of touched on it. 40 hours from now, NFL trade deadline, Eagles now 6 and 2, who knows what's up with Bryce off. Do you think they make a move? Yes, but a minor one. Okay. Other minors, you know what, I'm just going to take out the minor one.

Yes, because if they do, it doesn't matter if it's major or minor, I called it, right? So, yes, I think they make a move. All right. Well, we will look forward to covering that over the next two days on all p hly.com and on our show thank you so much zach we look forward to reading the story on all p hl y dot com good luck writing thanks guys too zach all right uh three quick things i want to get okay do you guys think they make a move yes edge like you think that's what's gonna happen like no i've leaned no this whole time i feel like they're they've been burned recently and i feel like

Howie might go a little gun shy. Yeah, I think Dotson, you know, you just made that move. I can't, I, I'm going to say no. I think the move is, you could probably be like one of those, not the real super splashy move, but something they might need on special teams or something. Oh, that's interesting. If they wasn't, yeah. Yeah.

I think my antenna is up on the Huff thing that maybe there, maybe there is something coming on the other. I mean, if they do it at the end is the only pretty much logical place, right? But only if you're moving Huff. Yeah. Yeah. I think interior you can make a case for potentially. That was my preseason prediction with you when you hit the staff. I said a D-A traded that deadline.

Yes. I would like to be right, I guess. Second thing, big picture. You know, this game that were like inside the numbers. You would say that they dominated this game. Pretty good performance. Obviously, it flipped a little bit in the second half. Do you generally feel better about this team than you did 24 hours ago?

Do you think this is a, is, you know, we talked about last week? Is this team potentially a Super Bowl contender? Do you put them with the second tier of NFC teams behind Detroit? Yeah, I think Detroit and Baltimore are your clear kind of favorites. Kansas City might nussle in there. You know, like they have some things that are going wrong there as well, but their defense is phenomenal. So like probably right, like the chiefs are in between tier one and tier two.

And I think the Eagles are clearly in like tier two with the lions and Ravens and kind of their own category. So yeah, I mean, anything's possible here. They're rolling now. It's four in a row. All thanks to Nick Siriani saving his head. And you got a really bad Cowboys team next week to make it five in a row. And then you got, you know, a steel on steel matchup with the commanders basically for control of division, which is going to be a huge game.

Yes. And Thursday night. And a big night for Vinnie Curry. Oh, man. It's going to be crazy. You like this team? I like it. Okay.

I like it. I mean, if you go back to where. what I've been saying a couple weeks ago. I kind of chat to get you. I know that they was turning the corner and they was getting ready to make it run for. But I do think the most important stretch is getting ready to come up.

A commander's game, I think, is going to be because look, the commanders, you know, this is rare rare for them. They only have like three turnovers on the year. They're pretty good. They're pretty good. And their defense is playing way better than expected. Jaden Daniels, you know, offensive rookie of the year.

And smirked at the defense. The defense. I don't know. I'll say about the defense. I'm excited to take a little deeper. The Giants were kind of move with the ball on today. A little bit, yeah. And, you know, yeah.

It's going to be a good game because I don't know if that one's up here or down there. But the Eagles dominate FedEx Field. The commanders always seem to play well in the league. They inverse play that. So it's going to be an awesome game coming up. I think Dallas is kind of like, I think they're going to blow the doors off of them. I think they win by 20 plus next week. You mentioned the hair.

You were impressed by the, growback rate for Nick. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty good. Yeah. Not bad. All right.

The last thing I want to end on is the, what end of the game, and that is Nikobi Dean. Oh, man. Because I, from a, just a person standpoint, like a human interest standpoint, this guy who came in so highly touted as a third round pick and struggled with injuries, the first two years, could not get on the field. And even when he was on the field, struggled a little bit. For him to have this moment, I think, I think we owe him.

celebrating him at the end of this game. Are there moments that you think back on Vinnie where young in your career, you know, you had some doubts, you didn't get to make the impact you wanted and then had a moment to like really prove yourself at that kind of level? Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely. And that's what I'm saying.

I don't think I know how that feeling that he's feeling right now, especially like never had to walk off though. The walk off is mean. That's like the sprinkles on top. Yeah. They have the walk off at this. moment in the way he's been playing these last couple weeks, hats off to him, man.

To prove yourself at that level, but also to like be the guy who saves it for your teammates, right? Like everybody's counting on you and you make that play. Like that, that's awesome. And we've talked about, you know, especially on defense over these last couple of weeks, how confidence is so important for those guys. And there's so many young guys on that side of the ball. And for him to have that moment, he's had moments this year already where, like,

like, all right, like he looks like he's a solid starter, maybe not like an impact player, but it's like have that moment and try and build off that. That's huge for him. All right. Well, thanks everybody for joining us and hanging out on a very eventful, 28 to 23 win for the Philadelphia Eagles going to 6 and 2 ahead of a trip to Dallas next weekend. Oh, and I just want to remind people next Sunday.

Oh, yes. Pregame show. We're going to be out in Mannyunk. Come on, Manny Yunk. We need you. Let's show up. At the Rook. At the Rook in Mannyunk, which is a great bar.

I'll be there with Handsome Rich doing a little pregame show. We'll be doing the postgame show with the crew back in the studio. But it's brought to us by our friends at Miller Light. So we're probably going to have some giveaways. We always do some great stuff. So hopefully, you know, come on, East Falls, Mount Airy, Mannyunk, Rocksboro, and Dora. Come on, let's show up. Let's have some Miller Lights next week at the Rook and have a good time because the birds are back.

They got the juice. No throwing Miller lights at Jamie's head, though. No, I am not as tough as Alshan. I think that would take me down. But we don't have a protocol, to be fair. That's true. That reminds me of the preekness. Did you do it?

Did you do the point of potty run? No. But I very much liked watching the potty runs and seeing people get taken out with, it's dangerous game. Yeah, that's the idea of Jamie doing a postgame show, concussed. It does have me intrigued. I will say that. It's not that different from the end. All right.

That'll do it for the piece. B-H-O-I Eagles post-game show. Thank you to Andrew for making it happen behind the scenes. And Zach, for joining us from the link. Most of all, thanks to all of you for watching and listening. We'll talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock, myself and Zach Berman, and then a two-hour trade deadline show on Tuesday, the most important day of the Eagles year, of course.

And then next Sunday, the Cowboys. Thanks to Vinny, thanks to Jamie, thanks to Fran. We'll talk to you tomorrow. And as always, we love you. bear.