PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles Live NFL Draft Show, Rounds 4-7: For the diehards

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

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Hello, everybody, and welcome the PHLY Draft Day Show, Day 3 for the Sickos, presented by PAPSlight and True Mark Financial Credit Union. Visit papslite.com. For more information and head over to trumark.com for more details. We welcome everybody who's going to settle in here for the start of round four all the way through the end of the Eagles draft. We've got a live studio audience. Eek, Eek, Eek. We've got Fran Duffy, the All-City NFL draft expert and Zach Bermanar Eagle's insider.

And guys, let's start with the fireworks right away. Shador Sanders, Eagle, yes or no? I woke up. We talked about it last night on the show. We talked about it for videos that went up on the YouTube page last night and this morning. I woke up this morning more convinced that last night. Of course they're going to do it. They're going to do it.

I absolutely believe they are one of the handful of teams that will do it today. I think they should do it. If their evaluation of Shador Sanders is consistent with, you know, one of the top five quarterbacks in the draft, at least like a day two grade, then absolutely. If you think about this, the purpose of the draft is to extract value, right? And it's hard to find better value than a quarterback was if he's your backup at some point, if you can flip him down the line, especially on day three, the value propositions there. I'll just say I keep hearing this idea that he brings a lot of attention and whatnot. They're the Super Bowl champions, right? That comes with being the Super Bowl champions.

Jay one Hertz can handle it. I think if there are reservations from a football perspective or like a locker room perspective, then that's a different conversation. But if it's everything surrounding him, come on, they're the Super Bowl champions. They can handle that. I mean, they are the team who signed Michael Vic. They are the team who signed Tim Tebow. team who signed Vince Young, who drafted Matt Barkley.

No question. Not all of these situations are analogous. But I also think that the way that this draft has played out for the Eagles, in a way in which I think, frankly, they are probably a little bit disappointed with the way that day two played out and the way that the board worked. This is their best chance to come out of this draft with a difference maker. And that doesn't mean Shador Sanders becomes the starting quarterback of this team. It means there's a chance that they can turn Shador Sanders into a day two pick in the future. or if they like what they've seen from him enough, it allows them to flip Tanner McKee for a day two pick at some point

or, you know, trade Gillen Hertz for a first round pick and let Tanner McKee take over the team. And I also just, I mean, knowing the Eagles and knowing that like they sort of embrace the messiness sometimes, and I think Howie sort of likes the idea of like the league is going to be like, oh, Howie did it again, baby. The league did it. They let Chidor go to the Eagles.

Howie gets the praise. I just, it's so easy to see. it happening. Yeah, I just for all these reasons, and to me, like the football side of it, we've heard Jeffrey Lurie speak, how many times say about how they view backup quarterback as a starting level quality asset, right? And so when you look

at all their long history of investing in the position, how often when they get to day three of the draft, Tanner McKee was QB3 when they're like, Clayton Thorson was QB3. So they are consistently adding to this position. This would make all the sense in the world.

If you believe you're a quarterback factory, Right? Like, this is exactly what a quarterback factory does. Is you don't worry about the depth chart. You look to add talent at the position. And I'll defer to Fran as far as the evaluation. I didn't think he was like a top 10, top 20 pick. Yep.

I think he's a fourth round pick for sure. Like, I think this is extraordinary value for that position in the fourth round of the draft, especially when you consider other quarterbacks who would go around here. So, you know, you and I, Bo, before we worked with Fran, spoke about how it's hard to find quarterbacks at this point in the draft. And so if you have someone who falls, maybe for reasons that go beyond the way he plays, then it's just a terrific value proposition. Now, obviously, it does.

You have been, you've got your whispers all over the place. Right. Throughout the draft process, it does feel like the truth is that a lot of this fall is because of the way that things were conducted throughout the pre-draft process, right? Yeah, from Shador's part of it. I think when you're looking at... Jack's got something going on.

Not sure what we're missing, but yeah, I think, look, things could have been handled better from Shador's side of things, in terms of the pre-draft process. But at the end of the day, like, I was not the highest on Shadr's out. He was my number 49 player. Like, I graded him as a low-end starter,

high-end backup type of quarterback, but you are here at this point in round four, day three. What I will say is my guess is there are more than just the Eagles. They're having the same conversation. I would imagine that this was on the minds of a lot of teams. Unless you came in saying he's off the board, like under no circumstances, are we going to take him? I'm sure there were other teams. We're like, yeah, like, he's on our board where we're not really prioritizing this selection. You're going to grade him for what he is. But I think you get to this point. You say, okay, enough's enough. He's fallen enough. We're going to try and take the swing here.

Andy, Chiefs make a lot of sense to me, right? The one team, you know, that I heard yesterday going, they were hoping that it was Cleveland or Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh still hasn't addressed the quarterback position. There are, there are some people around the league to say that Pittsburgh is the only team that will take them and they know it and that's why they didn't take him yesterday. I don't know if I would go that far. I would imagine that some of the other 31 teams would be interested at this point in the draft. From a football perspective, what's your evaluation of him? Like what's your sense of 49th overall player? Yeah, here's my, no, no, no, but like is he, you know, do you view him as as someone who like, I'm, like, I'm,

a backup quarterback, potential starter. What's like the sense of? Yeah, like I saw him as a low-end starter, high-end backup. You know, and I think that it would take him a little bit of time to get there. I think if he was thrust in the starting lineup now, you'd have some rough patches just because the pocket management for me, you know, wasn't where it needed to be for a guy with his skill set. Because he's not a plus physical talent.

He's not a great athlete. He's not an outstanding, you know, physical thrower of the football where, you know, where he can get himself out of trouble. You know, we've seen quarterbacks coming in the league. where, yeah, they have issues handling the pocket, handling pressure. He's really tough. He will take a hit and pop right back up.

The problem is he takes a lot of hits. He takes a lot of sacks. It does not navigate those muddy spaces all that well. And so for a guy that can escape and make those plays, that's okay. Because Cam Ward doesn't always handle the muddy pockets well. But Cam Ward's got that twitch, that ability to escape and create outside of structure. Chodor just doesn't have that to that level. And so that's why I've compared him in the past to a guy like Gino Smith,

where Gino, like he had to learn how to become a great pocket passer. Now he's one of the best pocket pastors in football. When he was coming out of West Virginia, he didn't have that skill set. He was not that guy. And so I think it will take Shador sometime to get there. But when you get to this point in the draft, I think this is, yeah, this is where you take a guy like that. It makes, he should have gone yesterday based off talent. I mean, I would argue that he could have gone the day before.

Again, based off talent, quarterbacks that I would have graded that way as a top 50 player, I think it would make sense, you know, back end of round one where he would go off the board. Yeah, I viewed him. I liked Jackson Dart and Jalen Milrow more because of the mobility. Shador Sanders, like you said, doesn't have that type of mobility. Jackson Dart can move.

Obviously, Jail Milro might be, you know, I think Andrew Barry might have said the most athletic quarterback to come out since Lamar Jackson or the fastest since Lamar Jackson. So I thought those two kind of fit the prototype that the Eagles look for more than Shador Sanders. But at this point, you're not even looking at type. You're just looking at like, you know, the quarterback himself, the same way Tanner McKee wasn't necessarily that type,

but it was just a good value proposition in the sixth round. I think it's a good value proposition, fourth round, fifth round for Shador Sanders. I agree. Are you ready to share with the class what you were smiling about before? Well, I got to say this. Like, when you get dressed, you know, I never want attention on like, What I wear, you know, I try to be like understated. There's comments in the chat about this attire.

I'm texting Emily. I'm like, is there something wrong with what I'm wearing here? It's a bomber. It's like it's a tan bomber and a white shirt. I didn't think it was, but I see. It looks like I know a guy. Zach, exactly everyone knows a guy. He's about to buy a Dominican nightclub.

I'm trying to figure out. Emily saw me when I was leaving. She's like, it looked nice. I said, Emily, did you steer me wrong here? I will say it looks different on the screen than it does in person. It looks a little brighter because of the lights. Is that what it is? I look a little bit more angelic on the screen.

Okay, all right, yeah, I was going to say, like, I felt. On the screen, it looks more white than tan. In person, you know, you see the color difference. Okay, all right. So maybe that is maybe it's the lighting. And I got to say like, you know, my goal when I get is like I want to be presentable, professional, but never have like attention called to what I'm wearing. I want money. So when I see the chat, it looks like there's a super chat from Shahid Abdul Hadi.

Zach is looking like he's about to buy a Dominican nightclub. Snazy look. I hope you get a good price for it. I'm curious what makes like a Dominican nightclub different than a different nightclub. But anyways, yeah, so that's what I was. That's all snicking out. All right. We need to set the scene here because the Eagles have six picks scheduled for J-3,

beginning with 111, which is the ninth pick of this round. They have two fourth-round picks, three-fifth-round picks, and a sixth-round pick. And the proceedings have already begun here in the fourth round. Chimray Dike, the speedy wide receiver from Florida off the board to the Tennessee Titans. Yeah, a really interesting profile. Started his career at Wisconsin, was there for three years. The production was not always there with D.K.,

but he goes to Florida. Had a solid senior season. And then the pre-draft process, I thought, was really strong. I thought he had a good week of practice down at the Senior Bowl. Goes to the Combine. I thought he looked really sharp, really precise with his routes, had some nice catches in that workout. He tested well.

So I thought that he showed a lot during the pre-draft process to earn this spot. This is right around the area of the draft where I expected him to hear his name called. All right. We're going to take our first break so that we can set the scene for what to expect from the Eagles pick, some positions that they might be interested in, but we will do that all after this first break.

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the Eagles are going to do here, what their priorities are on day three after the way that things played out yesterday. Do we think it's fair to read what happened at the end of the third round, the small trade down, and then the subsequent trade down after that after both Charles Grant and Caleb Rogers went off the board

to read that they probably wanted one of those two guys and then bailed out when they were both off the board? Yes, and that's how I interpreted it. And even hearing Howie say, you know, that they like the value trading back, and then when they were there the second time, they looked at it, all right, maybe they want to go into the next day with like clear eyes, have to have the full morning to talk about it for the fourth round.

And usually what that means is that there wasn't someone there that jumped out to you. And so, I mean, maybe I am, I have ulterior motive or personal interest here because I mocked Charles Grant to the Eagles in the third round at 96. And he's someone who I've been talking about throughout this draft process. So I thought, Mike, I thought Charles Grant made a lot of sense when the Raiders took him, like it was right before the Eagles. I wondered, was that there a guy? Because Bo and I were talking about when Fran was with DMVR and CHGO and PHNX and DOLS, that like this next pick is probably offensive line, offensive line, offensive line.

And I thought Grant kind of stood out. I thought Grant and Cameron Williams, but Grant, because of the pre-jafed interest, we knew the Eagles had, really made sense. So just reading between the lines there, I could definitely see that being the case. Yeah, and look, when you look at the rest of the board here after that, There are still some offensive linemen, I think that would make sense. You know, Jalen Travis from Iowa State is a player that they had in for a 30 visit before the draft.

He came in a couple weeks ago as Zach Berman broke, I believe, right? So I think when you're looking at, there's a handful of players here. Jalen Rivers from Miami, I think would make some sense. Marcus Bo from Purdue is another player that they had in on a 30 visit. Miles Frazier has the versatility that they typically covet. So there are a number of offensive linemen here that I think do make sense for the Eagles. It is another situation where it feels like some of the places that, that the draft is deep at this point of the draft are like positions that they've already addressed

or other positions they don't need. Like there's probably a good amount of good day three centers, but I don't think they're going to attack that necessarily. But we'll see. I'm curious to see how they approach this at the top, aside from offensive line, which we think that they definitely want to add to. What else do you think their priorities will be here on day three? I would imagine that one of these receivers could be somebody trying to add.

I'm just looking at my board and who are the draftable grades. Certainly running back. I think that there are a lot of good running backs on the board here. A couple of, they've spent some considerable time with here this offseason. I do look at the defensive tackle position as well. We knew that that was one of the deeper positions in this draft. Now, it's gotten picked over pretty good. A lot of those talented players have gone off the board.

Zach's boy, Dion Walker from Kentucky is still there. Joshua Farmer, a talented defensive tackle from Florida State still there. It's more right now, it's more of the nose tackle types. You know, it's more of your Jordan Davis backup types that are out there. How do you feel about Farmer? We've talked about Joshua Farmer from Florida State quite a bit. Big, strong, he's a broad-nose tackle. Honestly, like, he played more as a three technique with Florida State.

But when I see his skill set, I do see more of a guy that I transition more as like a line of scrimmage, like hold the point of attack player as opposed to an upfield penetrator type. Tyrion Ingram Dawkins is more of your upfield. Like Milton Williams type of player, undersized, kind of a combo skill set. The school's right. You know, went to Georgia only a one-year starter. Athletic kid, but unrefined player, I would say he's probably more in the later rounds at the end of the day.

Cam Scataboo, the good folks of PHNX are going to be happy. He's off the board going to the New York Giants staying in the NFC East. That's kind of a classy pick, don't you think, Zach? Yeah, I know, you said PHNX. I mean, those guys have been pushing for the Cardinals to take him, right? So I don't know how they're going to be. Yeah. I like Scadaboo.

I think it's good value here. But, yeah, I mean, as far as classy, I am. He's a fun player to watch. Yeah, I laugh there because I have a lot of critique about the way the Giants have built their roster and the way Joe Shane has kind of handled his GM ship there. But I still think, I still think John Mara and the Mara family run a classy organization.

Okay. Scadaboo makes sense there. I think that's a good fit for the Giants, you know, with what they need. You know, obviously, they had some success with the young running back, Tyrone Tracy, that they drafted a year ago. But I think he's a certain kind of player, you know, former receiver, movement player. I think when you look at Scadabo, he's got that ability to be that early downs, grinder,

tough between the tackles, type of runner for that offense. I think your boy, Zach, Eilich Eo Manor, I. O'O Manor. Eonner. Eon, Eon. Enoch, Eilich, Ionaner from Stanford. Could be a possibility here for the Eagles. has that starting upside potential

and like the physicality that Nick might like if they're going to finally give Nick a pick on day three he could be a guy who makes sense for them I think yeah and when we talk about my guys I will I will get to him I just think that if you don't scout the helmet because you know you might see like a 6-2 receiver a big body guy from Stanford and think

all right JJ the white side but yeah he he he ran well and you see him, you know, not just get open because of his size, but like find ways to get open. So if you look, for instance, the Stanford Syracuse game this year, now Syracuse's defense was, you know, inconsistent at times for sure. But he was finding ways just to run himself open. I know the game people point to it was two years ago against Travis Hunter. I was real impressed with the way he played there as well. And then when you just watch kind of the different clips of him,

You're absolutely right. He uses his body well. I think there's some athleticism to him. The profile is intriguing of the receiver still there. He's someone who jumps out to me. Also, Royals is someone who stands out as well. You like Royals? Dailing Rolls from Utah State.

I was a little bit underwhelmed. Yeah, I didn't love him. There were some people out there. There were very high on him. I thought he was more of a middle of day three type of selection, round five, round six. He's pretty good with the ball in his hands. I wasn't moved overall by the athleticism.

Some people have compared him like, oh, he could be like Debo Samuel. Like I just didn't quite see that. You know, I think that the yards after catch element is the best part of his game. But, yeah, I wasn't blown away by Royals. We talked about this a little bit last night, but the sort of operating procedure for Harry Roseman, and this speaks to the Shudor Sanders conversation, by the way, is that on day three, he's not looking to fill out the roster. He wants guys who have starting upside. Every pick, that's the goal, right? And so I think that's an important framing device for all the guys we're going to be talking about.

And typically, like Jalen Lane from Virginia Tech. Like he's got elite explosiveness. Maybe that turns into something. Exactly. No, you're looking for somebody who's got something elite about their game. It might be, hey, they're limited play strength, but elite athlete, or they're really, really strong and powerful, but, you know, they don't have great athleticism. That's where you're shopping anyway.

But I think they're typically looking at those kinds of players as opposed to, oh, he's really well-rounded, but like his instincts are good. And he's a natural football player, but doesn't have one-A physical. trait. I think that's, those are the players you're typically saving for undrafted free agency here in Philadelphia. The Craig Woodson, the safety from Cal, who I don't think that I know anything about drafted by the New England Patriots. Five-year starter, outstanding character. Every scout from the West Coast raves about him. And then, you know, he was honestly one of my favorite players to talk to over this pre-draft process. Yeah, I got a lot of good intel from him on that

Cal program when I met with him down at the Shrine Bowl. But Woodson didn't finish a write-up on him. But solid, I've watched it for a few years because he's played for so long. I mean, I remember talking with Ashton Davis, who was a third round pick out of Cal to New York Jets a few years ago. And he was like, we've got this young kid, Woodson, who's going to be a player for us. And, I mean, he's been a longtime starter there. Didn't get to go through everything pre-draft-wise, but a solid player.

And that Cal secondary was really strong this year. six-year player, 24-year-old. Yeah, older player. What I say about my guy, Teddy Buchanan? We talked more about the guys in the secondary, honestly, because they had three corners in this draft. You know, they had a couple of safeties, yeah. Noel Williams, who went yesterday, Marcus Harris,

who was going to go later today as well. So when I was watching the draft before we were doing live shows during it, you know, so let's say, well, it was probably eight, ten years ago because it was when Mayock was on. They would always do on day three. you know, like stump the truck or that kind of thing. They still do it.

Yeah. How early are we going to get a pick that Fran hasn't done? Is that your question? I mean, Fran's the best in the business, but that a guy you haven't, I don't want to say heard of, but like someone that just,

it's like, who is that? You know, you have to look that up. Yeah. Do you think that happens? I hope not. But yeah, I mean, it is, it'll happen. Every once in a while. There will be a player where I'm like,

yeah, I couldn't even give you like the skinny on. Sure. You know, there are some players where, yeah, like I didn't do any film, But you can get something. I'll start the book. You give you 30 seconds. Or like, yeah, I just know like talking with scouts.

Or like, oh, yeah, like I kind of got the book on them. But yeah, we'll see. Hopefully it doesn't happen. But I wouldn't rule it out. Notre Dame linebacker Jack Kaiser, who you like quite a bit, Fran. My top linebacker. Your top linebacker available goes off the board to the Jacksonville Jaguars at 107. Four picks away now from the Eagles.

Yeah, I mean, who knows? This is good. This could be a guy that could change the entire scope of how the NFL is viewed by everybody around the world by the Jacksonville Jaguars. No, Kaiser, I like Kaiser. He's better athlete than I thought he'd be. Guy's in a shizzie. Yeah, I thought that he had some ability there.

Only, he started this past year, but character outstanding. He's tough and physical, really good tackler. And like I said, the athleticism better than I anticipated going into the study. Very awkward high five from Besselli and what's his name, the head coach? Liam Cohen. William Cohen, yeah. Duval. Duval.

Oh, going with a real oversized untucked polo. Yeah. What's the chat think of that look? Good question. You got to not preoccupy yourself with the chat. We need you here. I'm here. I am in.

I am in. Trust me. Until the legal is on the clock. Then you can. Then I can look at my phone and yeah. Trying to get it done. Yeah. All right.

You guys want to play like predict the pick? Yes. Should we do a quick little draft? We each get two picks. Okay. Yeah, that's right. Very close. I mean, we're closing in.

Yeah. Zach, you get to go first. So let me go up to the best available here. Because going into the day, I thought the player who would make sense here was, I thought Joshua Farmer was someone. I thought Kyle Conard made sense. I thought Jack Sawyer made sense. So I'm throwing a bunch of names.

We didn't talk about it, but that sort of tracks as an Eagles type. Are we doing draft here? Or can we have the same players? Are we doing this? Draft. Draft. Draft. Draft.

So I am going with, of these, I'm going to go with, hmm, Braden Swinson. Braden Swinson. I wanted to ask you about this, because you actually said that as a side. Fensio fit. Ed from LSU. In the conversations, what gives you the idea

that he would be a Fangiophit? It was the way he was explained to me in terms of the length that he has, number one, like the versatility with which he plays with. there's a thought that he can drop at that size. Definitely can't. And that of like these, you know, these tall, long athletic edge rushers,

he's probably the best in dropping in space. Agree. And so that, it was framed to me like, you should be talking more about Braden Swinson. I worry about, like, the run game with him in that aspect. He shows physicality as a rusher, like, because he can win as a bull rusher. He can win as a speed rusher.

He wins at the top of his rush with his hands. Like, he is honestly one of the most skilled past rushers in this class like full full stop just disinterested against the run one year wonder skipped out in the pre-draft process didn't do senior ball didn't do shrine bowl didn't do combine and then did like two things at the pro day and I was like man like you had all this ability to kind of build on that momentum and then just said you weren't going to do anything so I think people were turned off by that but the run game aspect is the big question mark for me I loved him as a rusher and and it's the point about him being able to drop is accurate yes I definitely agree he's a

He's a fluid athlete. He's explosive. Like, this guy should have gone yesterday. Absolutely. Like the tape, if you're looking at it as a rusher, like you could say like top 40, top 45 type of pick. Wow. Yeah.

Like if you were just looking at that and didn't watch any run game, you would feel that's where he could have gone. All right, you get to your next pick here. I'm going to go with the guy they had yesterday, or that they had in this week, I should say. Jalen Travis. Okay. The tackle from Iowa State via Princeton,

via Minnesota, played basketball as a high school as a, high schooler was late to football, but a big swing tackle, proven left right versatility. The problem here is you're tripling down. This is an opportunity to spread your bets because if they draft Jill and Travis, you're getting credit either way. You had them in your mock draft, but now

you're, now you're... The heart wants with the heart once. Yeah, the heart wants with the heart ones. I appreciate that. I will go, I will go I'm going to go Marcus Bo from Purdue. Okay. You're looking for the elite trait. He's got that elite athleticism. There are some questions about him, like what positions

Is he going to play? And I think some football character stuff, right? But you get him to stout. That's something that you hope for. And maybe he can be a three-position flex. And then I'm going to go, I'm going to go Jalen Lane from Virginia Tech. I think they're going to, I think they want to get some offensive help here. I've been saying that for a while and I have been wrong about it at the top of the draft.

But this is a player with probably more explosive upside than anybody else available. And I'm going to be out like when I look at Marcus Bow, I can easily make the argument. he's the most athletic offensive lineman in this draft. Interesting. He has got unique, you know, style uses unusual, like unusual athleticism. Some of the things that he can do are really, really impressive. And where would you play him? That's the question.

Probably guard. I think I'd put him at guard. But the problem is, I don't know if the Eagles would love him at guard because he's a little bit of a smaller guard. Yeah. So he's probably- And they've got a lot of guard-only guys right now. Yeah. I mean, you've got Kenyon Green and you've got Trevor Keegan,

just in terms of backups potentially. Steen could maybe be a tackle if he's not the starting red guard. But yeah, that's not a lot of, you probably would want to move him to center. But different than the late great Dylan McMahon, he could play a guard too. And so he wouldn't be just a one position only center. Yeah, I think that if you're looking for like body typewise, who of the Eagles brought in that similar, like Jack Driscoll would be similar body type wise. He's a much better athlete than Driscoll. But short-armed college tackle who everyone thought like, oh, he's probably a center or a guard.

That's what you're talking about with Bo body typewise. All right, you get to go again as the Eagles are three picks away. Let's go with, hmm, I liked your pick there of Jalen Lane. So I will also go with a wide receiver. Let's go Tori Horton. Okay. The wide receiver from Colorado State. Yeah, I'll go with from Zach's neck of the woods there.

Horton is an outside receiver would have gone yesterday, if not for a knee injury that costs them the majority of the season that costs them the pre-draft process. This is a guy that's been extremely productive over the last couple of years. he's an outside the numbers receiver can win up above the rim, but he's got some movement skills to him as well. He's got the athleticism. Can get a little bit better as a route runner, but I think there's plenty to work with there for him to be an outside the numbers pass catcher.

My tour guy to Colorado State last week loved Tori Horton. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I was asking about the... Tell us more. Oh, Dion Walker, your boy off the board, Zach. The big old defensive tackle from Kentucky goes to Buffalo. Good pick there by Buffalo.

You know, Sean McDermott, Brandon Bean, they know what they're doing. and this is a guy who is going to be a better pro than he was junior in college. There were times, this guy was dropping the coverage at like 350 pounds two years ago. Yeah, he'll be expected to do a lot of that. Right. He thinks he brings a lot of surplus value that way. I'm just talking about the athletic ability there.

So. All right, tell us about this Colorado State tour guide. Well, I had three different tour guides there. They were great. You know, it was three students were bringing myself and Shield and Shield's family around. And I was asking a lot of different. questions about the campus. No doubt. And then we got to the football stadium and I made the, you know, it's a beautiful stadium. Just built Compass Stadium. And I was saying, what do you think of Horton?

And then I was asking about some other players on Colorado State. But he was talking about Horton's injury. And he's like, before the injury, he was, he was really, you know, a player who was coming on. So I'm like, all right, I might use that nugget. Okay. Now you get the last pick here. I'm going to go Gunter Helm. Okay. Yeah. I think. I think, you might go shoot a door. Yeah, I probably should have just for the sake of conversation. By the way, the Jets are on the clock right now, so the Eagles are up next. I think of the, I don't, I didn't love, I think there was a drop off after Harold Fandon, Jr. Yeah, huge.

And so that's why I would have thought the sequence of events yesterday, if they could do it over again, would have gone Fadden in the second round and then safety third round, you know, like Watts in the third round. If you knew the way. A little trade up to the middle of the round. Sure. If you knew the way the board was going to fall. but I think of the tight ends today, Gunner Helm probably is the most productive. The Nebraska one, Thomas Fignon, I think has some upside.

But Gunner Helm, like, you know, the year he had last year at Texas, first year replacing Jetavian Sanders, you can't knock the production. The athletic testing wasn't great, but you're talking about the fourth round. Yeah, I think if they go tight end here, it's like they just wanted to draft the tight end. You know, there are some guys I like as well. Mitchell Evans is interesting. We've talked about Gavin Bartholomeo. Obviously, I love Joshua Simon, but he's a little bit older.

But I don't think anybody would be sticking out like a sore thumb. It would be like we want to get the titan that we like. We've got a couple receivers that have gone off the board now. The Jets took Arian Smith out of Georgia here with the 110th pick. So the Eagles are now like officially on the clock. We're a little bit ahead of the broadcast. We might be breaking it. Yeah, so we'll see.

Where's it going to be? This contest now between Zach and Fran. I'm, I mean, Fran's been outstanding. So I'm deferring to Fran. You guys get it. Who do you want in the chat? Let us know. Yes.

Let us know. Who do you want? I saw some people want Ty Robinson. I saw someone wanted Dion Walker. I don't know, Zach, if that was your burner or not. Yeah. I'm not looking at the chat right now. What are you looking at?

What? No, I mean, I'm looking at the board. Yeah. Yeah. You know, they could double down on safety. Go get Billy Bowman. They could get your boy Tommy Hill. At corner, Fran, they could go to linebacker,

maybe tell us that John Campbell is going to be more of an edge. I think Joshua Farmer, I remain convinced, could be a guy. But yeah, let's burn it down. Let's have the content. Let's have Shador coming on. How many people will jump on our show if Shador Sanders gets drafted? At least a thousand. You think it immediately goes from 1,500 to 2,500?

I think it's more than that. You think it's more? Yeah, I think it's more. Let's do it. Yeah, I think it's more. We want Shador. Did you see there, Rick New Heisel on his serious radio thing said today that Shador was in a meeting with an NFL coach and just took a personal

FaceTime call in the middle of the meeting? Yeah. Really? Yeah. I don't see that. Yeah. That's the kind of stuff I've kind of heard those kind of things from the Combine. Yeah.

The pick is in. Dulling down. All right, pick is in. Let's see. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-Z-B. I don't see the dot, dot, dot, dots. Oh, no, wait, no, dots. Who's it going to be?

Who's it going to be? Ty Robinson, the defensive tackle from Nebraska. Wow. Interesting. Ty Robinson, the defensive tackle from Nebraska. Fran breaks it. This is a player who was a little bit older, but you're talking about starting caliber traits,

explosive upside. He tested out of the gym at the combine. about Ty Robinson. Yeah, a sixth year senior will be 24 years old when training camp opens here this summer. But I thought the tape was good on this player. I honestly thought he could go at the latter stages of day two. I saw

kind of a workman-like defensive lineman. This is honestly, it goes a little bit again. When I'm watching him on film, I didn't see a player that was like, oh, like stood out like overall with the athletic upside. He went to the combine and tested well. I mean, ran 483, which was a good number for a guy his size. The jumps were

outstanding, as you mentioned. So all the the athletic profile is going to look very, very strong. But honestly, I kind of like this because this is a high character guy who's a team captain in Nebraska, you know, speaking with people in that building, they rave about Ty Robinson. That coaching staff has a very high opinion of that player, very stout on contact, holds up well in the run game, more strong than powerful. You know, I didn't think he was going to be like an instant pocket pusher type and can get a little bit better as a rusher, but ready out of the box as a run defender,

able to change the line of scrimmage. It's a nice player, nice stab on day three. He's also someone that I've heard, I mean, not to say this is the reason why you do it, but like off the field jumps out in terms of the interview process. I heard he was one of the best interviews that some teams had at the combine. So look, I know the age isn't ideal here, but the play and the athletic testing are all things you like.

Let's make this our Golden Nugget, hidden gem, as the Eagles taking Ty Robinson, the defensive tackle from Nebraska. Obviously, they lost Milton Williams this off season. There's a hole in the rotation to add a guy.

And Ty Robinson will be added to the mix in the fourth round. Fran, he is your defensive tackle 13. Yep. As I pull up your scouting report here, you had them pegged in the third, fourth round, and I see more blue than red. Although, actually, I see a lot of red.

Yeah, decent amount of red. Yeah, decent amount of red, but not, you know, again, it was more like technique stuff. You know, and wasn't always... Well, that's right. You don't want to polish 24-year-old. You want a 24-year-old who doesn't know how to play.

No, he knows how to play. That's what I mean. Like, he knows how to play, especially in the run game. You know, I think that pad level can be a little bit of an issue at times. But, again, I thought there was enough there that this is a player that could be a quality, rotational piece along an defensive line. Oh, we got an Australian Eagles fan announcing the pick.

Ryan Harroid. That's pretty good. Roy. Let me read the quick summary on the player. This is from the draft guide, become a diehard, and you get access to all this before the draft. For your starter in the Big Ten, with NFL size to be a gap-eating interior player,

more of a line of scrimmage dweller than an upfield penetrator. He's ideally not on the field on rushdown due to some athletic limitations that I saw on film, but he has the anchor strength and heavy hands to be a reliable run defender early on. For teams that utilize multiple fronts, he brings added value because of that position versatility. A little bit of a late bloomer who took off in his sixth and final season,

don't see a consistently impact. but a kick-cock and a rotation up front as a depth piece. Now, again, went to the combine and tested really well. Honestly, when I wrote him up, some people that I know in Nebraska were like, oh, what did you think of Robinson? And I gave him that scouting report. And they're like, he's more athletic than you're giving him credit for. And I was like, oh, like, I don't know. He went down to the senior bowl. I thought he was solid, but unspectacular down there. And then when they tested at the combine, my guy in Nebraska was like, oh, see, I told you he was more athletic than you were giving him credit. So, you know, I could have just been wrong in how I viewed

the film but yeah i think this is a fine value for this player do you have a guy in every building no i don't have a guy in every single building my guy in nebraska go ahead no but uh to that question you know the eagles do have uh a connection to the nebraska program obviously matt rules there uh and you know they know matt rule quite well from when he was at uh temple and uh so it's it you know there is that type of of connection that you're getting good intel but um you know if you take away the age, which you can't take away, I get that. Six years in college is a long time, right? It's like Van Wilder-esque.

But when you just look at the way he played last year, the production from the interior, the frame, and then I keep going back to it, like off the field, this guy kept coming up as sparkling, like absolutely sparkling. And so I don't know if that's the reason why you take it or like why you take a player. but this is the day, you know, to give kind of context, the Eagles have their passion meeting on, and the Eagles showed video of this last year, where, so about an hour before the draft,

Howie Roseman brings everyone together, and he tells the scouts, if there's someone you feel strongly about, let us know right now. And it wouldn't surprise me if from like a red star perspective, in terms of the things that they're looking for from a player, Ty Robinson presents that. Now, just to put a fine point on it,

Yep. At 6, 5.5.2.88. This is a player who, rotation-wise, you're expecting to be more of a third-down guy, not a first-and-second-down guy. Is that fair? I actually, like, on tape, I liked him more on early downs than I did on late-downs.

I think that now, athletically, when you look at the testing, that would show, oh, he actually should be more of a third-down presence. The one thing that I get a little weirded out by profiles like this, you talk about, like, he's an old, right? He's going to be, so 24-4. years old, 60 or senior. Before this year, he'd never had more than two sacks in the season. Before this year, he never had more than four TFLs in a season. It's not ideal. When he went back for

that sixth season, that's where he had 13 TFLs. He had seven sacks. He had 11 hits on the quarterback, 25 hurries. All of them were career highs. And so he took off in that final season where he was the 23 year old in the Big Ten. That's one of the things that kept me from like really like putting him a little bit higher on the board. But great defensive tackle class as well. So he's on a typical year, he's in my top 10 as a defensive tackle in this one it kind of bumped him down but those were some of the alarm bells in the profile for me. I don't want to be Debbie Downer

but I'm a little bit uninspired that this is the best he tackle left. The third player of this draft class is a guy who by the way is one month older than Jalen Carter which is not dissimilar to the situation the Eagles had last year when they drafted

Quinnian Mitchell who's a year younger than a year older than Keely Ringo despite Ringo being drafted a year prior. Yeah, I'm glad you brought up John Carr there because I was actually going to do that with Moro Ojima, right? That Moroogima's birthday was August 2001. And in this case here, Ty Robinson was May 2001. So Moro Jumma's younger as well.

So he's older than probably your two, you know, similar penetrating defensive tackles. That's okay. But it's a fourth round pick, right? It's a fourth round pick, but it's their third pick of the draft. That is true. Yeah, that is true. A framework that I hear sometimes is like you're not, at this point,

you're not thinking about second contracts sometimes. Like you're thinking, all right, can he contribute over the life of his rookie deal? Yeah. That goes counter, though, to the starting upside situation that we talked about. Yeah, I mean, listen, I will see what they do with the rest of the draft. I want to see some players on offense. I got five picks left I know

I got five picks I bet Nick Siriani wants to see some players on offense too I made this point to Fran when you were I think when you were eating yesterday and by the way

did you eat this morning I had very yeah ate quickly not a lot but eight quickly one thing that I'm thinking about is you know

like the defense can't be as good as it was last year right but you know they've done some work in the first two rounds to backfill some things that they had lost and maybe Jehad Campbell makes a real impact

and keeps them a top five offense. But to counterbalance that, you need the offense to take a step forward. And I don't know who's going to get better on offense right now. Right. Like... I mean, you're hoping John Dodson is one. That's not moving the needle for me, but yeah.

Yeah, you're hoping Dodson Shipley and Calcutara are like three guys who are better. Yeah, but I see your point. I mean, the hope is Jalen Hertz gets better. sure that's it and and that you have high level talent that you have all pro talent right and prime I mean AJ Brown Devante Smith Jordan myelotta Cam Jurgens Landon Dickerson prime of their careers right this is this is the year these are the years you're trying to maximize right and of course Jalen Hertz like these are the years you're you're trying to maximize these are guys

age 25 to 30 like this is this is their prime and so it's not necessarily getting better it's it's It's like this is the window that you're getting. You have, it's rare to have. I just mentioned what, five names, five players, six players, who are pro-ball, all pro-caliper players in the primes of their careers. That's the envy of a lot of teams in the league. So you're trying to maximize that right now. I totally agree.

And Sequin. You too. But Sequin just had the best season of a running back all time. But in the prime of his career still, in theory. Yeah. Yeah. I just, you know, I would like a little bit of, I would have liked something added. And listen, the off season is not over yet.

There's still stuff for them to do. I just, that's a big picture thought that I have. Fair. C.J. West, the Indiana defensive tackle going off the board to the Niners who have only drafted defensive players so far. And also Danny Stutzman, the Oklahoma linebacker, went a pick prior to the New Orleans Saints. Yeah, that goes with everything I had heard about San Francisco throughout the process was that they wanted to completely reshape that defense. They lost a lot of players over the last two years on that unit. and they knew that they needed to come in and just huge influx of talent,

especially on the defensive line. So that makes a lot of sense. By the way, I know we can overstate these connections sometimes, but it does help to have multiple touch points in the building. The Eagles new offensive line coach, Greg Austin, spent the last three years at Nebraska. So when you're talking about like the player's character or at least, you know, how he is in practice, things like that,

things that might matter with a day three pick, Greg Austin has intimate knowledge of it. Cohabitation Matrix. Exactly. There you go. Thank you to Golden Nugget Jewelers for bamboozling us into that hidden gem. Beautifully done. Hoodwink.

Hoodwink. Yes. Hoodwinked. Although I think Golden Nugget Jorrs is going to make out quite fine in this arrangement. I think Emily's eager to take a visit to Golden Nugget Jolers. Good for Emily. She deserves it. Okay.

Now the Eagles are playing the waiting game until they're pick at the back end of the fourth round. which is number 130 overall. So about 16 picks away. Eagles going all defense so far with three picks. Interesting stuff. Should we do our guys? Let's do our guys. Let's do it.

Let's do our guys. Let's do our guys. Do you want to start, Sack? I'll let you start. Let me start. Yes. By the way, we've got Bree and Andrew with us today. Shout to Brie and Andrew.

So shout out to Brie and Andrew. Give him a little, little Bree, Bree, Brie, Brie, Brie, Brie, Andrew Andrew Andrew and Chris still here still drinking that that Pab's light baby For every Maryland player drafted today For every Maryland player drafted today

How are those Terps looking today? I got a few, we got a couple So you got Felton yesterday So you don't have to worry about him Yeah Okay Jordan Phillips Dante Trader So we're rooting for Glendon Miller

Another safety for Maryland We root for him to come off the board These are tall boys Oh, Tabia, yeah, the other defensive tackle, you're right. A king Besote, I actually didn't get his pronunciation too well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Prater, yeah. These are tall boys.

We got, we struggled with one the other night. We're talking potential for five. Chris, biting off more than you could chew, maybe. Yikes. I think to, by the end of the day. Okay. All right, let's do, I'll do my guys. Now, this is the concede here as guys who you are higher on than consensus.

and most of these guys are day three guys who you like a little bit. Some of them can be earlier. And I will start at quarterback. We talked about this. You know, we did all of the position preview shows in the lead up to the draft and you sort of fall for some guys

and we talked about it for me. The quarterback I liked, Cam Miller from North Dakota State. Like the way he moves in the pocket. Looks like a guy who reads defense as well. I'm okay with the profile. I like Cam Miller. Are you taking him ahead of Shador?

No. Yeah. Probably not. Although, I mean, I would need to do the work on Shador. You know, do we want this guy? But yeah, I would, I would like Cam Miller in round six or seven or something like that. Okay.

DJ Giddens. I like a lot of the running backs. Yeah. But DJ Giddens to me is a guy who feels like he has like real starting caliber, big play upside. Interesting. In this offense. You know, I like Devin Neal too.

I like the Breschard Smith profile a little bit. They're even some of the later guys. Like I like Damien Martinez a little bit. Jarquez Hunter is interesting to me, but DJ Giddens is the one who I can, see as like giving you big plays. Of every position in this draft, I feel like I was so out of whack with consensus with running back than any other group. Interesting. A lot of the guys that people like, you know, RJ Harvey people love, you know, RJ Harvey people love Giddens. I didn't love Giddens. Okay. There were, there were a few other backs even though you just listed off. I'm like,

yeah, like I didn't love that player. But yeah, it's this was, it was a little bit of a weird group, talented group. A lot of guys that are going to get drafted. Yeah. But some people really love, loved kittens. We're like, oh, yeah, day three. Devin Neal, another one. Seven Neal was probably my favorite guy to watch. Yeah, like I did not see that with Devin Neal. You know, I know, like CoSell loved Devin Neal

and other people I've talked to that loved Devin Neal. I just never saw it with those guys. But there were other players that I feel like I was higher on. It was an interesting class in that way. And then, you know, I've got my, you know, comparisons of their yards per carry to their teammates. And there are some guys who pop there, some guys who don't.

So like, you know, LeQuint Allen is a red flag for me there. Jordan James is a red flag for me there. but I like Giddens a little bit. Who is my wide receiver here? Oh, you know what? This is a fun one because, you know, you guys did the wide receiver show. Oh, right.

And in the hospital on Monday night, me and Leah are doing wide receivers, just watching these guys. And this is not someone who I am going to pound the table for as a starting caliber player, but boy, was he fun to watch. Ricky White, the third from UNLV, who is like a special team's Maven.

Yeah. He's got like three block puns. He gets, he gets, He gets kicked off the Michigan State team, but then goes to UNLV and is like a two-year captain. Right. Love that story. I like the way that he's running routes.

I like the way he's going up and getting balls. And the production is good. So it's a profile that I like for a day three pick. He went to the Shrine Bowl and he got matched up in one-on-ones every single day with Noel Williams, who everyone was like, oh, he's the best corner here. And Ricky White took his lunch money. Really?

Repeatedly. And I was like, I walked away from the Shrine Bowl thing. I don't know about Noel Williams or Ricky White just carved him up time and time again in one-on-ones and then he goes to the combine

and didn't run well now he ran a little bit better at the pro day but yeah I kind of like Ricky White I think he's getting drafted today he's a guy who like some coaches are just going to love that guy

he's getting drafted today and then there are some other guys I like I thought Jordan Watkins was an interesting player who wasn't getting a lot of shine from Ole Miss we talked about Jalen Lane Conan out of Mumfield's kind of

interesting to me he's got some of a funky rot running style that was interesting but Ricky White's the guy and put my name on. In the tight end episode, you know, we talked about at Joshua Simon from South Carolina. I don't like an old tight end from South Carolina in the first round, but

in the fifth round, the explosiveness from Joshua Simon in the passing game. I like a lot. Caleb Rogers from Texas Tech, who went in that little interim picks for the third round for the Eagles. I like him just from the explosiveness, the short shuttle time and the position of versatility.

Jonah Savinaeia. Big Jonah from Zona. Big Jonah was my interior offensive lineman. We talked about Lennon Jackson. I really do like Lina Jackson. I would have liked that to be that second round pick. Right. The explosiveness, the things you told us about the way that he runs the hoop. I like the profile a lot.

I like T.J. Sanders a lot as my defensive tackle. Teddy Buchanan from California. This is another like I like the arc. You know, dominates at UC Davis and then goes and has a very productive season at Cal, not too old, tested okay. He's a little bit undersized, but I like him. What did you like, did you view him as a pure off ball guy? Because I talked to some people who thought that he could be an edge guy as well.

Interesting. Yeah. I didn't look at him that way. Okay. Interesting. I didn't watch enough of him to have a full-fledged opinion on it. Okay. And then Justin Wally, who went in the third round.

I don't know that I would have gone in the third round for Justin Wally. That was a little bit rich for me. And then who's my safety? Is it? Oh, Marcus Siegel. I love Marcus Siegel. I'm pretty sure I wrote Sidney Brown as a comp for Marcus Siegel. I can see that.

This is a guy who tested great athletically, ran a super fast 40. It's a weird story, as we talked about, transferred from North Dakota State as a backup, and then goes and starts for two years and as a team captain in Kansas State. Just a guy who I think flies around, and I think is probably a guaranteed

good special teams player, and maybe he can be an improvement on Tristan McCollum, essentially. Real quickly, a couple of running backs have gone off the board in the last couple picks. E.TN went to Carolina, and then Woody Marks is about to go off the board to the Houston, Texas. One of my least favorite profiles in the draft.

Marks, yeah. He had like 50 catches, like three different times in his career. Yes. But I wasn't overall moved by him as a player. A ton of work and way below his teammates in terms of yards per carry. Arizona took the linebacker Cody Simon from Ohio State. Here we go, baby. The water bottle's back.

The other highlight of the weekend. I missed, yeah, I missed this one. It is the water bottle. The way you drink that water bottle is like you're playing the saxophone. I don't know if that's a compliment or an insult, but it's just descriptive. And keep rolling. I'm mentally preparing. We're actually physically preparing to give my guys here.

Okay. Yeah. You got a lot of table pounding to do. Yes. Let's go to you then. Okay. My guy. So it's going to be on the screen here.

I'm not going to look at the screen. I'm looking at the camera in front of me. Okay. Okay. Starting at quarterback. Oh, he's, he's been. planning this. This is like the James Gladstone speech. This is the, this is like the seventh iteration of you doing this. Jalen Milro, quarterback Alabama, if you were to ask me, which quarterback in this

draft has the best, or if who could be the best quarterback from this draft? I would answer Jalen Milro. He's terrific athlete, good arm. And off the field, the intangibles are through the roof. He had a meeting with a team and the team asked him, what are your weaknesses? And he said, how much time do you have? And he started listing his weaknesses. And, the counter to him was they said to him they said are you sure you want to tell us all all your weaknesses and his answer was essentially that if you have someone sitting in the seat who hasn't played an NFL game and they haven't and and they don't think they have weaknesses then that person lacks self-awareness and also what does that person think about your ability to watch film

um jill milro is he he could have left when nick saban left he stayed he stayed he was a a a key player for that program. I think the upside is immense. I'm not saying, you know, I wouldn't have taken him in the first round per se, but I think he has the chance of becoming the best quarterback from this draft class.

Okay. Here's my number 55 player. I'm there with you. I liked Milra. I was higher on him than consensus. So, and of course, the conceit of this is players you're higher on the event consensus.

I'm there with you. So running back, Rahim Sanders. Rahim Sanders, also known as Rocket Sanders. Welcome to the Rock. Six foot, 217 pounds, round of 4-4-640. He's been listed in the past. That sounds like 6-2-440. At the combine was 6'2-17.

Probably shed some weight for the combine. But this is someone who, not last year, not the year before, but the year before that might have been the best running back in the SEC when he was at Arkansas. This guy was a stud at Arkansas then. And he had tools in his body then. You watch him, he's a natural pass catcher. converted wide receiver or he was a wide receiver when he was in high school. Rocket Sanders is the running back who I am higher on than consensus here.

A wide receiver. We've talked about it. I'm loving the passion. This is fantastic. ELEC. I. This is a tough one. This is a tough one.

I am Maynor. I O Manor. I Amner. I am Menor. 13 All-American two years ago. Physical specimen. I mean, 9.56 RAS testing. You saw him against Travis Hunter.

Travis Hunter was chasing him all over the field, okay? Against Syracuse last year, one-handed catches, okay, running his way open. If you stay up late enough to watch football on the West Coast, which isn't always the case now because they're all an ACC program, so now they're on at noon, so that might change things. The quarterback play has been inconsistent at Stanford. Andrew Luck's going to try, he's going to try to change that here, right? But this is someone who he only played two years of college football.

I'm gambling on the player that I see in front of me, the athletic testing, the size. There's a lot here to like. I think that he's a starting caliber receiver that you're going to get in day three. I'm with you on IMA manner. I'd be in on him. As we said before, those wide receiver buckets, it's him and Luther Burdner are the only two guys in this entire class who are young, fast, and productive. If you're James Gladstone, do you, is he off the board completely because of what he did to Travis Hunter?

or do you do everything possible, make sure you bring him into the building. Yeah, yeah. Iron sharpens iron, right? He'll appreciate that. At tight end, I'm not putting this guy out there to block. I'm not putting this guy here to get in and out of break so much,

but I'm putting this guy out here to run and catch, okay? Because that's what tight ends do. In part, they also block and get in an out of break. Arronday Gadsen from Syracuse. Oh, your boy. 6'4 3, 243 pounds. converted wide receiver. You throw the ball to Arronda Gadsden, he'll catch it.

You throw the ball three yards this way, he'll go and catch it. Three yards that way, he'll go and catch it. Three yards up there, he'll go and catch it. Arronday Gadsen catches the ball if it's around him. The catch radius is immense. This is a player here who, look, he's not a complete tight end. But what he is, is he's someone who, if you're a creative offensive coach, you get him on the field.

He's a mismatch on the person. covering him. Ronde Gadsden is the tight end. Okay. Offensive tackle, Emery Jones Jr. So this is tackle guard. And he was already taken, started 36 games at LSU. Start as a true freshman at LSU.

From a university lab high school, I believe, same school as Glenn Big Baby Davis. 6'5, 315 pounds, 34-inch arms. I sat next to scouts at the LSU game and I brought up Emery Jones Jr. Emery Jones Jr. is someone... And they said, watch the other guy. They said watch Miles Fager. And I'm telling you, he's 21 years old. There's upside here.

Emery Jones Jr. Okay. Interior offensive line, but I should just say offensive line for this guy. Jonah Monham from USC. He started four positions. Every position except right tackle. He was the brains of that offensive line for Lincoln Riley.

Was used in so many different ways. He was working... He protected the number one overall pick two years ago and three years ago. He's someone who you're saying, all right, you want to back up on game day who can help you in multiple spots? That's what he is. You're talking about day three. That's what excites me here. I don't want to compare him to Jack Triscoll, but that was like the rationale I heard for Jack Triscoll.

The Eagles had just lost Halapuli Vati Vita. And, you know, what they said is you want someone who can help you in multiple spots. This is someone who can help you in multiple spots. I think he's going to be in the NFL beyond his first contract because of that versatility. He's got like really, really, really short arms, which lets people think makes him a center only at the NFL, but a fun player. So the edge rusher, and I've talked about this. And Terry Fonton it? Fonno.

You say tomato. I say tomato. I don't know that his mom. When this guy comes up, when this guy comes up with Zach, he's Terry Fonte. Yes, baby. There you go. I didn't love the trade you made, but I love the player you acquired. James Pierce, Jr.

What are you looking for in edge rusher, everybody? You're looking for someone who can sack the quarterback. You're looking for someone who has elite athletic traits. Okay? James Pierce Jr. presents that to you. All I see when I watch him out there is pressuring the quarterback, down in, down out. Now, I wasn't there for the meetings. I can't tell you what he was like.

I wasn't there for his practices. I can't tell you what he's like. But you know what I can tell you? On Saturdays, when he was lining up against the opposing offensive tackle, he beat the offensive tackles around the edge week in, week out. Look at this pressure rates. Look at the amount of times he was disrupting the quarterback. That's what you want in an edge rusher.

That's what James Pierce provided, Tennessee. That's what James Pierce is going to provide the Atlanta Falcons. Great pick. Bad trade. Great pick. How are those two? Don't get the – I'm saying the player himself.

No, it was a bad trade. I wouldn't have given up a first rounder this year and a first rounder next year. Or I'm sorry, second round of this year and a first rounder next year to go get them. But if I'm just saying the outcome is you get James Pierce, Jr. rushing around your edge, that's going to make the Atlanta Falcons a better football team. I would say, you said you weren't there for the meetings. You weren't there for practice. Yeah.

You weren't there for the run defense. And neither was he. Hey, I'm paying you for sacks, man. Right? You know? But I hear what you're saying. Okay. What a tour to force this is.

This is unbelievable. With the jacket too on top of it. I said to Emily, I have a change of clothes in the car. Do I need to go down there and change? The Buffalo Bills agree with me here? Dionne Walker, 6'7, 331 pounds. You almost timed it so that a pick was made. That was your guy you were about to talk about.

Wow. Yeah, if I shouldn't have talked about the jacket. Seven and a half sacks two years ago. When you're watching Kentucky, you saw this guy dropping the coverage that shows the athletic ability that he has. Okay, this is someone who can, he moves well for his size. When he gets his arms out on you, man, you know, he can create that space. He can chase for this size. But I think about Bill Parcells, that there are only so many people on earth who are this size and can move the way he does.

And that's how I see Dion Walker goes to the Buffalo Bills. player just taken by the Cincinnati Bengals. Barrett Carter. This is the linebacker from Clemson. Bo would like the orange to orange, okay, easy to project. Okay, tigers to Bengals, easy to project, okay? Barrett Carter, watch this guy play football. That's what I'm saying.

Just watch. Don't tell me about the measurements here. I know I talked about the measurements with some other players. Don't talk about the measurements here. Linebacker. Linebacker is about instincts. Barrack Carter has instincts out of the gym, out of the stadium in this. case. He runs sideline to sideline. Barrett Carter was a culture setter in that Clemson

program, a team that made the college football playoff last year, so much so that in his final game last year, you know what they did? They wanted to give him an offensive touchdown. They wanted him on the field at fullback to reward someone who was a culture setter in that college football program. I felt in this seat last year, it was a two-man desk, it was probably a little over there last year. But I was actually I think we had three people in three.

Hands and Rich was here. I was pounding the table for Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Okay? And I'm saying that when I was watching Clemson though leading into that I said I like Trot Jr.

A good blitzer. But this number zero, he's the better linebacker. Okay? I felt that about Barrett Carter then. I feel that about Barrett Carter now. Cincinnati Bengals are getting a good linebacker better than the old guy

from South Carolina that they drafted yesterday. Yes. Okay. Cornerback. Gunner Helm goes off the board, the tight end from Texas, so you talked about. Go ahead. Benjamin Morrison from Notre Dame, okay?

Hip injuries are nothing to, I mean, it's a serious injury. But when you watch him on the field, Benjamin Morrison just makes plays. This guy, this guy blankets you in coverage. This guy will make plays on the ball. He has what I look for in a cornerback. When we're going, I kept reading, now he went fairly high. I read this might be a guy like middle rounds.

And I'm saying a talent like this. in middle rounds. Good thing the NFL saw what I saw because Benjamin Morrison is going to be a starting cornerback in the NFL beyond his first contract as long as the hip is okay. Okay?

Benjamin Morrison is a good player for Notre Dame. That Notre Dame defense was so much fun to watch and he was one of the keys for watching it. Okay. Okay. Close us out. Close us out.

This is unbelievable. Vic Fangio, Howie Roseman, agreed with me on this one. Yeah. Andrew McCuba from Clemson. or I'm sorry, from Texas before that, Clemson. First came on my radar when he was a freshman at Clemson starting for a good defense. And freshman All-American then and jumped out then.

Now, kind of went into a lull in the two years thereafter, wasn't as productive. He noticed that too. He said yes, he spoke about self-awareness. When you watched him on Texas at Texas this past year, a different player. Now, the history isn't kind to sub 190-pound safeties. So the size, I thought he, I genuinely thought he was going to. going to be available fourth round, fifth round in this draft because of the size. I thought that was going to be more of a concern to teams.

Howie Roseman said yesterday, box safeties are a thing of the past. When I watch Andrew McCuba play, he is around the ball. He showed more ball skills last year than he did those previous years. I think he had, what, four interceptions last season. Andrew McCuba is someone who went, you know, he's every time, here, I'll put it this way. when I went into our image search to find Andrew McCuba photos there were a bunch of Andrew McCuba photos

and the photographers aren't going to the game to shoot Andrew McCuba number four on Texas. You know what they're doing? They're shooting the guy with the ball, okay? But he's always around the ball. Allowing catches? There are pages and pages of photos

for Andrew McCuba. For Texas and Cupsin, of course not. Because when there's a, when there's a pass thrown to someone, he will chase you down, he will tackle, he'll try to tackle you. But he is, he is, uh, I like this metric. We should add this to, to draft models.

In photos. Images. Yeah. Pictures per step. Yeah. He is a heat seeking missile out there. Uh, if, if, if that's the term they use. He is all over the field. Um, and so Andrew McCuba is, is the safety. Now, if I knew he was going to be a second round pick, I would not have put him in this

category, uh, to be fair. I thought that was a little high. He would not have been your safety three. No, he would not have been my safety three. But I liked him more than, you know, Jonas Salker, for instance, from Virginia. I did not like him more than Kevin Winston, Jr. I probably, I would have gone Kevin Winston Jr.

I did not like him more than Xavier Watts. But he would have been my safety five in this class. Gotcha. Bravo. Wait. Well, thank you. Fantastic. At some point during that,

numerous people in the chat said that if James Gladstone were a podcaster, this would be it. The Steelers traded up at this point during this point and I said, oh, like, is this for Shador? And it was for Jack Sawyer, the pass rusher which I think we're ahead of the broadcast. Let's run down some of the recent picks

just to get them done. Like 10 picks since ZB started. What a performance. Jarquez Hunter. The Auburn running back goes to the Rams. They love a drag. Billy Bowman. goes to the Falcons, the undersized safety,

who's a lot of fun to watch. Barrett Carter, your boy, Zach, goes to the Bengals, Gunner Helm to the Titans, the Texas tight end, David Walker, the overaged edge rusher from central Arkansas, goes to the Bucks, Lathen Ransom, the Ohio State Safety goes to the Panthers, and you're telling us that Jack Soir is about to go to the Steelers.

Yeah, oh, that wasn't, sorry, that was not a trade-up with the Steelers. I for some reason thought that was a trade-up. But, yeah, it is going to be a jack-soer. I know. Yeah, they stuck and pick, and it's going to be jacks away. There you go.

A lot of fun. Do you want to do yours or is it going to take us all the way to the, you know, the Eagles are nine picks away right now? You want to wait until after the Eagles pick? Yeah, we'll go out. One more round to do, yeah. So we've got, who knows how long we're going. A lot of fun.

We should have made that one of the segments. It's fun. You know, if you're passionate about something, you should pound the table for. Yeah, I've got to be careful with the, Yeah. Scared all the last. How is Chris going to drink?

He's only 96 calories on them. Yeah. Seriously. Fantastic. A lot of the guys we talked about for that last pick at 111 still on the board. Yeah. Should we do another round? That way we can, you know, we can claim credit for more people.

Sure. Yeah. I'm just going to take, I'll just take same players. You go first. No, no. You still get the ones from before. And now you get to add two more to it. All right.

You know, I'm going to go with, they took a Nebraska corn husker with the last one. I haven't talked enough about how Tommy Hill is still on the board. Yeah, your boy. Nebraska. This is a guy that I think has the ability to be a starting corner in the NFL and like a solid, a solid starting quarterback, a corner in the NFL with high upside. So this is a player that missed the majority of this season with planter fasciitis with the cornhuskers.

He came in. He was a former wide receiver at Arizona. was catching passes from Jaden Daniels out there in the desert and then transferred to Nebraska, played both ways up until this season, where now he became a full-fledged corner for the first time. His tape was really strong. He's a six foot, over six foot corner, over 200 pounds, so he's got legitimate size. He was on Bruce Feldman's freak list coming into the year and known for his speed. He would have been a guy that would have tested well had he been able to go through the full pre-draft process because of the injury he was not able to he got hurt midseason came

they let him sit for a couple weeks he went back into the lineup tried to try to try to try to go out and gut it out and just the the tape wasn't great and so they benched him for the rest of the year and told him to get healthy goes down the senior bowl was less than like 80% going down there didn't play well down there so then finally they were like yeah like you got you got to take it you got to take it easy you can't force your way through this process so to me i see a ultra-competitive ballhawk with NFL size to be an outside corner in the NFL. I love Tommy Hill's tape. Honestly, to me, as I was watching him earlier in the season before the injury,

I thought he had the ability to be a top 40, top 45 type selection. I wrote down Trayvon Diggs while I was watching. I wrote down Xavier and Howard when I was watching. These were two corners that were day two picks that also played receiver earlier in their career and had those ball hawking traits that went in that area of the draft. I thought Tommy Hill was well deserving of that moniker. Love that. He's going to be your mind.

He's one of my guys. He's one of my guys. Yeah, he's one of my guys. That's a good one. You want to go second or you want to go third? I'll go second this time. Okay. Okay.

So this player did not go before from, um, sorry, I had it up here. All good? Yes. Um, I apologize here. Someone we spoke about this. We've spoke about him on the show, but he did not go in this game. And that's Miles Frazier. Okay.

Okay, Miles Frazier, the offensive lineman from LSU, who the scouts told me to look at from that way in Camden. Nice, you got it. Yeah, because from the seat here, I see 95. And so I know beyond 95. So Jihad Campbell says, hey, you know, let's keep it in Camden. Let's keep it in this area here. Let's keep it in South Jersey.

South Jersey's got good football. Go with Miles Frazier. Someone who I also believe went down to IMG similar to Jihad Campbell, right? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think the same year, but similar to South Jersey to IMG. So you're following that pipeline. Versatile player, I believe, on the offensive line. Would you say that?

He's played multiple spots? Yeah. Yeah, so Miles Frazier, Eagles finally get an offensive lineman. Yeah, he's played left tackle, left guard, right guard, right tackle over the course of his career, first at FIU, then at LSU. Okay, very nice. I mean, I'm just going to go with IOMA. who has not been drafted in this game, who we talked about the Stanford wide receiver.

I could see the Eagles doing that. And then let's do another round tonight. Let's do... I mean, they're not going to go another defensive tackle, although that player would make sense. I will go here... I'll say Mitchell Evans, the Notre Dame tight end. He's the guy who I could see them talking themselves into

as having starting upside because he can do a little bit of both well enough. But I'm starting... Do you feel like the longer this goes on, the more likely Goddard is to stay? Do you think we're going to get a Michael Mayer trade today with a fifth round pick or something like that? You know, my position on Goddard hasn't changed from the Eagles perspective. My position on Goddard might be changing from Goddard's perspective because I don't know what Goddard's going to find out there that hasn't happened yet. So again, the reservation I'll take is that I want to look at the depth charts after the draft.

One thing I haven't done yet is gone through team by team. It would be a fun thing for us to do in the sixth round. Yeah. But I don't know. I stand by what I said yesterday. This is the best football situation for Dallas Goddard, right? I don't know if this is the best financial. Like I don't know if whatever the Eagles would pay him this year is the most money he'll make this season.

But from a football perspective, Dallas Goddard is not going to find a better opportunity than being the tight end for the Philadelphia Eagles this year. All right. Back over to you. Yeah. So. Baron Sorrell, the edge from Texas goes to the Green Bay Pack. So the Eagles, one thing they've done in the past few years is take defensive players from the national championship team. We'll take players from the national championship team.

So I'm going with Denzel Burke here, the cornerback from Ohio State, someone who's been a productive player. I would just tell the Eagles don't watch the game against Oregon. Okay. But if you don't watch that game against Oregon, you see quality film from Denzel Burke. Yeah, I mean, I was really high on him coming into the year, and I just didn't feel like he had a great year. I still had a starting grade on him coming in. I do think that he'll probably be more of like a frustrating starter, but I think starting ability, again, I was really high coming in.

I just wish this season was a little bit better and more consistent. For my next one, let's go running back. I'm going to go with the guy that I mocked him to the Eagles in my seven-round mock. LeQuint Allen, the running back from Syracuse, another local guy from South Jersey, right over there. I think he can do a lot of the same things that Kenny Gainwell offered this team from a past catching standpoint,

pass protection. I thought he was just okay like downhill between the tackles, but he's a bigger back, good looking kid, big broad frame, long arms, one of the better past protectors. High upside, talking with coaches

in that building. Another team where I've got some people in that building. They said when he first got there, they're like, hey, we think you could be a dynamite strong safety. And he was like, no, I believe that I can be a really good offensive player. And he turned into a good back over the course of his career. How do you feel about Breschart Smith from SMU? I like Breschart Smith.

He's my highest rated running back left. Yeah, he's my highest rated running back left. It was a four-year player at receiver at Miami. You're telling me who can replace Kenny Gainwell. That sort of feels like somebody who could do that. Yeah, he's, I would say Gainwell is a more like polished runner, you know, especially coming out and even, you know, over the last few years. He does a little bit more there where I, Bershartner.

You want to keep him in space. He looks like a former receiver playing running back. When you're watching, you're like, yeah, I can definitely see it. But he gives you that past game value for sure. Okay. Closing in, five picks away. Six picks away. Depending on whether this Chargers pick is in or not.

Very exciting. Yeah, so the Browns are on the clock, so the Chargers. Chargers have picked. Yep. Okay. Nobody said Shador. It would be Shador. I mean, at some point here.

Get the Shador open. Like the value is just too strong at some point. Yeah. Another running back off the board, Dylan Sampson going to the Cleveland Browns. I think there's a chance he goes entirely undrafted. I mean, that would surprise me, but I guess you can't rule anything out. Like if you're the Colts, I mean, why not? Right?

I actually think it would, the situations, like I hope, I actually hope for Shador's sake, he goes to a place like the Eagles, as opposed to a place where, like, the door is open for him to start. Sure. Okay. Like, I feel like almost like that would create a bigger controversy for that team. Yeah, the Colts also, they do not have the infrastructure. No, that's what I mean.

I mean, how about the Baltimore Ravens? Yeah, I think that I said that last night. I think the Ravens would be good. I think the Chiefs would be good. Yep. I agree. Now, I would say the Rams could be good. And I think they would embrace that a little bit.

but like him in Hollywood I could see them bristling about a little bit everywhere else you know Buffalo Buffalo could be interesting sure yeah you're thinking about guys who you know unquestioned starters right

I think that's I think that's the ideal spot for him now yeah I mean I need to think the place he wants to go is still Vegas in Pittsburgh or Pittsburgh or Pittsburgh sure yeah fascinating it's a bit of a it's a bit of a

like a coordinated message from the league that, you know, like, you know, don't make your dad your agent, you know, don't do all this stuff. Like, you know, nobody's bigger than the shield. I mean, that's, that's, that's one way to frame it. Like, if you, if you also apply, like, like, take the NFL out of it, right? if you're, if you're applying for a job somewhere, right? There's, there's a way you go about applying for a job.

Yeah, right? It's not like, hey, come hire me, you know? It's, it's one way to go about it, but yeah, it's like, it's let me put my best foot forward here.

So, yeah, if you just look at it, like, you know, I understand there's nothing normal about the NFL as a workplace, right? You know, it's not a normal workplace. I totally get that. But just like the logic being that there's, it's not respect to shield.

It's, it's just, you know, there's an expression that NFL coaches use or that people use the way you do anything is the way you do everything, right? If this is how you're approaching this process, how are you going to approach, you know, a Tuesday meeting, that kind of thing.

A couple picks ahead of the broadcast right now. So on the broadcast, Chargers pick is in. That's going to be South Carolina pass rusher Kyle Kinnard. Cleveland's up after that. That's Dylan Samson. Then the Colts are up after that. And it's a player that we've talked about for the Eagles. That's going to be Jalen Travis, the tackle for the house thing.

ends up with Indianapolis. I mean, spoilers. The man is, we're trying to get, he's got everything going on. We're trying to get us up to speed here. Fantastic.

So that means Ziegles are three picks away. Three picks away. Mm. Jalen Travis, who was the running back you said what? Dylan Samson. Dylan Samson. Oh,

we talked about that. Okay. A lot of these running back still there. Let's make, let's make one of these guys, the ice cold pick for Ace Hard. Our Home Services.

Who's a pick you don't like? That's gone so far. You know. David Walker? Woody Marks. When I get to this point in the draft, it's hard to say. It's tough to like kill a pick.

I'm going to do it on Woody Marks. I don't love the, I don't love the Woody Marks. Just because the profile, he's so much older. You know, again, I'll go back to the yards per carry. And this is presented by Ace Harder Home Services. Yards per carry compared to his teammates, over the course of his career,

which is an extremely long career. He's 24 years old. It is, he is negative 0.6 yards compared to the rest of his teammates. He's got 6008 carries over the course of his career. As a receiving back,

that's what you like. But in a very deep part of the position right now, going to bat for him feels a little bit weak to me. Not only that, they trade it up for him. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's,

I would say that's a good one. That's a, that's a, I think that's fair for our ice cold pick designed by Ace Hardware Home Services. I just want to put this out there. Tom Pell Serro from NFL Network said the Eagles are an unexpected team that might take a shot on Shador Sanders today. Yes, that was before the draft this morning.

Okay. We mentioned the Eagles, yeah. Have we talked about that on the show? No, I don't think so. Oh, okay. I got word. Okay. All right, let's take our second commercial break

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Closing in here, seconds away from an Eagles pick. Vince is not going to be happy with this pick here by Washington. Oh, are they taking his boy Marcus Yarns? Nope. Oh, a different one of his boys. Jaylon Lane, wide receiver Virginia Tech. Oh, too bad. I like Jaylon Lane. I like Jaylon Lane, too.

That would have been an interesting pick by the Eagles. He is an immediate upgrade over Luke McCaffrey. Immediate upgrade right now, better player. Super explosive testing numbers. You talked about it on yesterday's show. He's got that inside outside, outside, versatility played inside at Virginia Tech, but outside for Middle Tennessee State. Not as productive as you might like for a middle-round pick, but I like the player.

That's a good pick. That's a good player. All right, Ravens on the clock now. One more pick away from the Eagles. Chidor watch? For the next couple? Yeah? I don't know.

I mean, let's get these numbers up, baby. Shador has already done, you know, wonderful things for the All-City Network in DNVR. Let's see him bring the views to Philadelphia. Yeah, that is true. I mean, I think that DMVR buff show, they will, They will love to take up permanent residency here. Yeah, they'll love the P.H.I. Eagles show because they love themselves some Shador Sanders over there. And we'll see if the Eagles are one of those. We'll see if the, I mean, I keep going back to this.

And I have some friends watching the show right now who disagree with me about Shador Sanders. They say they don't want that type of distraction. And I keep saying it's a value proposition. The media is going to be talking about the Eagles no matter what, right? they're the defending Super Bowl champions. Yeah, how long is the distraction going to last? He'll be, he'll be the talk of training camp. Once the season starts, who's going to care? He's going to be the third quarterback is going to be inactive on game day.

Yeah, again, like Jalen Hertz, Super Bowl MVP, Time 100, most influential, influential person of the year, on the Super Bowl team for a franchise that has consistently said, backup quarterback, the 23rd most viable player on a football team, behind the 22 starters. They did it with Vince Young. They did it with Tim Tebow. They did it with Michael Vick.

They did it with Matt Barclay. Anytime you get that ability to buy the dip on a talented quarterback at the most important position in sports, they're going to take that. Unfortunately, according to Mike Garofalo, the Eagles have traded out. The New York Jets moving up to number 130 overall. The Eagles moving back.

Oh, Chris, thinking maybe the Jets take shit or no, they won't do that. Baltimore is like Teddy Buchanan. Your boy. Oh, I like Teddy Buchanan. Baltimore always Baltimore and Buffalo are the two teams

that are always taking my shadow draft guys All right so they traded to where We don't know the terms But it was to the Jets So where were the Jets were not in round four

So you wonder if there's a player involved Or if there's a future pick involved Those are the things Is there a player that the Eagles could be acquiring? Well the Jets didn't pick until They don't pick until 1.45 At the top of the fifth round So that would be a move down of 15 spots

for the Eagles. I mean, what the Eagles are telling us that this, they don't like this class so far, is that they just don't like this class very much. Yep. Which,

to me, I think is fine, I think, honestly. Which is fine, but it is also why I remain surprised that they didn't trade up in round two. Yeah,

so. By hook or by crook. And Howie Roseman, to his credit was honest about that. He said they had a list of guys. Yeah. They wanted to trade up. Like they were looking the trade up.

In round two, even in round three as well. In round two. I asked, well, So I asked about round two. He said, because I referenced how they've done this in the past. They had guys who fall out of the first round.

And he said the context he gave was he said when you're drafting it at 32, you're always thinking about the tradeback scenario. So you have guys you're thinking early second round, right? And so he said they started the day with a list. And he said there were players that they were willing to be very aggressive for. He said the price was too expensive. And what he said, and I think this is the interesting part, he said the future picks weren't appealing to those teams, right?

Oh, interesting. Yeah, that he said these were teams that wanted to get better this year. That's surprising. And so it is surprising because teams drafting at the top you should want. The Eagles inventory right now is future picks. And so the future picks, he said, weren't getting it done in those trades. And when you just look at what the Eagles have this year, they don't have enough to move up to like the top of the second round. with just a picks this year probably.

Yeah. It would have to be future picks. If they had done their own third, so if they had offered 64 and 96, by the trade charts, that would have got them to, like, the middle of the second round, like to 4950 overall,

I'm surprised they weren't willing to do that, but maybe that just wasn't on the table. Yeah, I mean, if you're looking at... Because they moved out of round three anyway. Sure. And so, so that's the part of it that I found especially interesting. And if you're looking for context,

and I wrote about this today that the Eagles, and I spoke about this when we did our VOD yesterday, that the Eagles are feeling the effects of winning the Super Bowl in that it's hard to go up that high. And so if you look at 2018, the Eagles did not own their second round pick or their third round pick in 2018, right? The second round pick they had traded in the Carson-Wenst deal,

the third-round pick they had traded in the Ronald Darby deal. So they were not, they've never been in this situation where they were drafting 32 in both those rounds. and we're trying to move up. So I think what you're really seeing, you know, when they traded up for Goddard, they trade up from the middle of the round to like higher up in the second round.

When they did that, when they traded up for DeGine last year. Details in the trade. Yep. So they moved down to 145. We trade for P. They trade pick 140 to the Jets for 145 and 207. So that's a seventh round.

So we're going to be here for a long time today. Yes. Let's go, baby. We wanted that seven. I'm going to jump out and jump on with PHNX since I got some time here. You got it. All right.

130 to 145. Labor Day to President's Day. Labor Day to President's Day, baby. Where is that in the seventh round? I want to know for our planning purposes, Z, B. I got it. Well, I'll find it. Here, let's update this trade.

Eagles traded and pick number 30. Oh, wait, they don't have. Received. What number? Oh, wait. Oh, 207. It's actually the back end of the six round. It's not the second round.

Oh, okay. Okay, so still in the sixth round. So there you go. Eagles now set up to have their first, their second, just the fourth on Ty Robinson, and then planning to attack the fifth and six rounds. They've got four fifth round picks and two sixth round picks. I would be surprised that they make all of those picks, right?

They'll probably package some of those. Me too. And you do wonder if you start to see a player, you know, a player deal. If they don't love this draft class, then I wonder if they had a list of players on rookie deals

that they might be going after to kind of fill some of these spots, right? Because you look at it from a cost perspective, not apples for apples, but relatively comparable in those cases. And if you're a team that added someone in the third round today or the fourth round today and it pushes

your, I mean, similar to like Sidney Brown on the Eagles roster, a guy you might have taken in the third round two years ago and you drafted over that guy, then you might be looking to trade him, right? And so the Eagles could be looking for that type of player. And the cost is probably- Seems who had some regime changes. Exactly. So-

Are there specific positions you think would be interesting to the Eagles? I mean, tight end, clearly. Yeah. I don't know who those tight ends would be elsewhere. I mean, Michael Mayer is a name we've talked about. Yeah. But maybe corner, I don't know about corner. but maybe corner

I don't think wide receiver I don't think running back so it could be offensive line right continue to scour offensive line linebacker I think would make sense linebacker you know let Vic pick somebody to to make a project especially

Jihad Campbell's going to be spending some significant time on the edge they still need some help there and then I wouldn't even be surprised if you're thinking about just a dart throw on like a veteran safety I know you've got Macuba and Sydney Brown but some extra backup there maybe another corner I don't know

and then as we talked about they always like to trade in the future years and there's a school thought they've got so much future picks but it gives them flexibility number one to either move up next year to make a trade in training camp

you know they traded a third round pick this year in training camp to go get Jahan Dots and so it gives you that flexibility in training camp and also it allows you next year to trade into the following year, right? And they continue to build a 2027 haul. And that's something that, you know, Howie thinks long term. And he has, you know, you're thinking you're, when they made that trade with the Saints a few years ago,

one of the benefits is what it did for you, not just the next year, but the year after that. And that's something that the Eagles will be thinking about. They were able to make, they were able to trade up for Cooper the Gene last year because they had that extra second round pick. Well, said. But you see the deal there that's up on the screen. Important to remember, $36 a year is the offer to become a diehard now. And what do you get as a diehard? I mean, you get more than the value in terms of the written content you're getting on all p.gly.com.

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Yep. When the schedule release comes out, May 14th, we're going to win primetime presented by the good folks at Philly sports trips. It's going to be an exciting event. It's going to be great. And one thing we'll be doing in addition to breaking down the schedule is, you know, Bo and I have been to a lot of these places that they go to. So with Philly Sports trips, we'll tell you, like, all right, if you want to sign up for a Philly Sports Trip trip to Green Bay.

This is what Green Bay is like, right? We can kind of add that to the show. Lots of cheese curds. Yeah, Los Angeles and see that stadium, right? That is a wonder for sure. So Tampa Bay, which is every year, you know, we can tell you about that. So Philly Sports Trips runs these trips and in conjunction with the schedule. We might make a group trip to one of these places.

That's interesting. That's interesting. And then another year when there's a sibling wedding. So that's scheduled release. What's our date? The first thing that I'll have to do is just see what that weekend looks like, right? And so that's something that's going to be of particular interest to myself. I'm going to keep this in mind.

Yeah, it's mid-October. Mid-October. Mid-October. And then this is the wedding that's presented by Athletic Greens? Yeah, Athletic Greens. I always enjoyed reading those ads. Yeah, call us back up, Athletic Greens. What ads have you not enjoyed reading?

Oh, I can think of one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, well, that's fun. Good stuff. We're not quite at the end of the round here, but I think we can do our Parks Casino round recap for round four as it looks like the major story,

Shador Sanders, continues to go unselected so far here. Although Kansas City's coming up. I wouldn't be shocked. No. If Kansas City pulled the trigger. but the big story from an eagle's standpoint is they just seem underwhelmed with this class.

Yes, and that's why you hit on that. We talked about defensive tackle Howie's history has always been younger guys, upside guys. So for them to take a 24-year-old in Ty Robinson, which is a bit against type, and then trade out completely, as Chris has to shotgun a beer

because the Maryland linebacker, Ruben Hip Elite, has gone off the board to the Chicago Bears. He's excited, man. He's very excited. That's your guy. There you go. Very exciting for Chris.

All of that said, it's pretty clear the Eagles are telling us that from a draft standpoint, this is a big shrug from them. You're right. And that does stand out there. And what's interesting, too, is this is why you can never kind of plan too far ahead with draft classes as there was a thought a year ago from the Eagles that this year's class might be a little better because of the downs. extreme effect of NIL and transfers.

What you're seeing, though, is more players continue to stay. You know, and it's interesting to talk about this on day three of the draft is that for some of these programs, what players are making, it's comparable to what they're going to be getting from their rookie contracts. That's not every player. But, and I know the quarterback contracts get a lot of attention, but there are offensive linemen and wide receivers who get paid in college, right? Edge rushers, you know, you know, that Tennessee.

defensive line was considered to be like a high paid offensive line last year. And I bring that up because when you look at the underclassman numbers, that always affects the draft class. So a year ago, the Eagles thought this class was going to be deeper because of the amount of players who came back. But I think what you're just seeing is more players keep returning to college. Yeah, this is also the last class that got that extra COVID year. Exactly. That's part of the reason that just the prospect profiles are a little bit underwhelming. These are guys who have been around for a long time. That's how you get Demetrius Knight going in the second round.

Interesting stuff. All right. Thank you to Parks Casino for giving us that round recap as the Eagles kind of tell you who cares. We care. We're here. We got three more rounds to go. So you mentioned the chiefs.

They signed Garner Minchu as their backup quarterback. But from the third quarterback perspective, they have Bailey Zappi and they have Chris Al-Aduken. Yeah. O'Ladouken. So third quarterback is a spot there where this, he all, you know, Andy Reid has, has taken risks before. I wouldn't even call Shador Sanders like a risk. Like he's, he's, he's, he's been unafraid to add high profile players before. We've used the example of Michael Vick at one point. Andy Reid knows how to navigate these situations. So, yeah, I certainly wouldn't roll that out. I can see that. From an infrastructure perspective, that's, that's also.

a good place for him to end up. Quincy Riley, the cornerback from Louisville, went off the board as well to the New Orleans Saints as the fourth round ticks on. How you doing? I'm well. I'm well. I so enjoy doing these shows with you guys, right? Like, this is fun.

It's great. It's the highlight of the off-season. Yeah, there's an energy to it. If there's anything that I'm self-conscious about, what is the people in the chat talking about. Don't worry about the people in the chat. It's not leather, by the way. I don't know why people think it's leather. It's definitely not leather.

It's very not leather. I can't pull off a leather jacket. What is it though? Is it suede? Yeah, it's swatish. Okay. Swadeish. Yeah.

Yeah, suede's a good material, right? Totally, totally fine. Okay, yeah. It's definitely not leather, but. It's the lighting. It is the reflecting of the light. Sure. on your left shoulder that makes it look whiter than it is.

But no, this show is always fun. And then it is, I don't want to say melancholy, but like this is the last pressure point of the football calendar. What about the schedule release? That's a fun one. No, it's a fun show, but I'm saying like, you know, after this, you say, realistically, the eagles are maybe going to make one or two more significant additions. Exactly.

This is basically what you're going to camp with. And but but even from like a coverage of the team perspective, you have three days of OTAs. You have, you know, two days, three days of OTAs we can go to. You'll have two days of mini camp that we can go to, right? So there's five practices essentially that we can talk about. But the period post-draft to the start of training camp, it's the quiet time on the NFL calendar.

And the teams will, we'll tell you that too. it's it's the quiet period so uh the pace the pace changes quite a bit i mean we haven't taken a breath since the offseason i mean i mean you had or your wife more specifically had a baby but your family had a had a baby and you know fran's been going non-stop with this but the eagles have that extended season they they they go to the super bowl literally uh two weeks later is the combine right crazy a week and a half later is the start a free agency yeah okay then you got the owner's meetings like right there and then you pick up your head

you get back from the owners meetings. It's April already and the draft is three weeks away. So this has just been going nonstop. Man, the league is nonstop. Yep. Kansas City Chiefs are not taking Shador centers. They're taking Jalen Royals, the Utah State wide receiver who we discussed a little bit.

So there you go. Shudor continues to wait. Why don't we check out some of the super chats? that we have from the generous benefactor. Thank you. Listeners and viewers. Brandon from New Jersey says Z-Burm, tight Dominican faded bro always has legacy media is dead.

Hashtag team shotgun. So that was actually from the Discord. Was that in our Discord and become a diehard member, please? Well, yeah. I didn't even mention that. You get to be on the Discord if you're a diehard member. So there were Discord members who were kind of upset, I think. And they said they were joking.

but they said like my legacy media stance of not drinking on the job. You know, they wanted me to shock on the beer the other night. And I said it was a work night. But I kind of stand by that, right? So it's also, it's, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And it's not like a legacy media thing too. It's that I'm on camera for X amount of hours. And then I'm talking to Howie Roseman, Nick Siriani, then I'm writing, right?

I mean, being coherent is important for me in those situations. That's why you need sleep. yeah, definitely need sleep. Brandon from New Jersey also says, Weppa, Zach, I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means either. But thank you for your, for your subscription and for your comments.

We need more super chat. Do you guys know what that means? No. I got no clue. Maybe like, weppa, I don't know. Yeah, that could be it. I don't know. Dr. Prince,

Zach looks like an undercover narque. Can we lay off my man? That's okay. That's okay. I appreciate you watching and contributing. Alex says, have you discussed Dylan Gabriel over Sanders? Yes. If you go to yesterday's show, open up a separate tab so you keep this one open. We want those long-term view numbers. There is a very funny moment. I mean, Fran breaks it. I believe Fran is the first one who had it nationally. Yeah. That the Saints were trading up for Dylan, not the Saints. Who was it?

And the trade-up for Dylan Gabriel, the Browns. Browns. And the way that he breaks that news, it is like he's breaking a death in the family. It's like just total, total, it's very, it's good television. Exactly. I would say, so go check that out. But yeah, I mean, it's wild. It's wild that Dylan Gabriel gets drafted over Shador.

And then Roger E, Super Chat, says, why the tradeouts, how he likes the 26 draft over the 2025 draft, question mark. Yeah. I think as as as as both said it speaks to what this this draft is and it's it's something that I just can't emphasize enough in I put this up on on Twitter about them getting more picks in 2026 and I keep hearing well they have too many picks like there's next year's not the last draft number one you don't have to draft at every one of those spots picks are just are just trade chips their inventory it's money in your pocket essentially right You can use those. I don't think the Eagles are going to draft 13 players next year. I'll put it that way, right? They don't have that many spots. Yeah, but the more picks you have, you can trade up, you can trade for players,

and then I keep, you can trade back the following years. The Eagles always want to be in position where they have more than their allotment of picks in a given year because it just provides flexibility. Flexibility is a one, you know, the, if you speak to Howie Roseman, about kind of team building. One of the things he'll say is that the NFL is designed, so every team has the same amount of cap space, every team has the same amount of draft picks, right?

So what you're trying to do is gain an advantage. You try to gain an advantage with how you manipulate the cap, and then you gain an advantage with getting more draft picks and then using those draft picks as chips. Q Robinson, the player that Fran was a little bit intrigued by, back up at Alabama, who offers a little bit of interest on the edge, goes off the board there.

Here we go. Jack Sawyer was drafted, cleaning up my big board here. Marcus Boastel Available. That's an interesting one. And Iyo Manor is an interesting one. I'm surprised that both of those guys still on the board.

And yeah, the Eagles, it's a little bit, go ahead. No, I'm saying when you see them on the screen, that's when you start to feel, all right, it's coming, it's coming here. Yes, yeah, Eagles, they are approaching. So 1-35 is who it says is on the screen. board now the Eagles are at 145.

It's a little bit like narratively Howie is treating this draft like me throwing a tantrum where like he didn't get his guy in the third round. He's like, all right, I'm not dealing with this. I'm not drafting anybody.

Yes, yeah. Fine. You do it. I mean, look, I did notice last night how he was it was different than a normal post draft press conference. And what I mean by that is first off, he got there. and I don't know if you caught this when you were watching at home

or if you didn't watch the press conference at midnight last night. But first thing he says is, he says next year we're going to be working on Friday night or on day two. And that was a reference to the fact that they only made one pick yesterday and next year they have going into the year, you know, four potential picks on day two. But I can't imagine they come out of next year with just one day two pick. and then he didn't, you know, usually he gives some type of opening statement where he kind of introduces something.

And he didn't necessarily do that last night in terms of talking about the player. He went right to the questions. And he made multiple references to them trying to trade and they weren't able to kind of make some of those deals. And so I do think that how it's just been harder to navigate this draft than maybe it's been some other years. Well, it's interesting. I mean, we talked to, but we taught, there are some people who are like upset that we're not loving up every pick, right,

or the way that they've gone. Howie deserves all the benefit of the doubt. Sure. But also, we were here last year at this time saying this is the best navigation of the board how he has ever done. It was clear then.

And that's not looking at how the players turn out. Just how he's playing the board. It was the best draft he'd ever had. And it turned out to be an unbelievable draft. Quinnian Mitchell and Cooper DeGine and Gene and Jay. Hunt, it's clear right now that it is not the best. And that's okay.

That's fine. It's still the defending Super Bowl champions. It's okay to say that. But yeah, I don't think that they wanted to enter this draft and come out with only Jahad Campbell and Andrew McCuba in the first two days. I agree with you. I wrote it. I said it.

Yesterday was not the ideal outcome or the desired outcome for day two of the draft. It was the outcome that was presented, right? And so when they're, so the criticism I would have about yesterday, because I do think they wanted to trade up. And I think McCuba was overdrafted, but that's, that's just me saying it. Like from their perspective, that was the value on their board. My definition, every draft pick is overdraft. Exactly.

Because you're the team that's highest on that, right? But the third round, I do wonder if they just got too cute for their own good in that, a player. And I don't know their internal evaluation of Charles Grant, but when you just know the type of player that they look for, Charles Grant struck me as that type of offensive linemen that they look for. And he was sitting there on the board. They trade back five spots.

They get that, or four spots. They get that pick next year. But then he's not on the board when you pick next. That's getting... Somewhere Tom Donahoe was turning down a fist pump. Take the guy when you're there. Now, that worked out okay for the Eagles. Sure.

You know, Milton Williams was... It worked out well for the Lions, too. McNeil is really good as well. But yeah, you know, there's a thought just always add inventory, but there's also a thought, take your guy, like, if, you know, there's an expression in drafts that it's better a round early than a pickly. In other words, like, if there's someone that you like, then it's better to take them earlier than you think than not having a chance to take them at all.

And so maybe they were indifferent on Charles Grant. Maybe they thought it was a risk worth taking. But I don't think the plan was to come out of yesterday. yesterday's draft, or I'm sorry, to come out of yesterday with only one player. I agree. One of the great names in the draft, Tonka Hemingway, goes off the board, the Las Vegas Raiders. And then the Tennessee Titans here taking your boy, Elyke, I. O. Manor.

I like that pick for the Titans. So there you go. Two picks left in the fourth round as the Eagles pick at 145 in the fifth round approaches. Who you like better, Donna Ponte, or former deputy commissioner, Russ Granik? Dona Ponte Okay Yeah I used to love the Russ Granik

Kiz Hand over the second round Here we go Well this is the thing Annancing the Machik Lampay pick But David's great reference David Stern was so theatrical Right

Like Stern Stern nailed the pet I mean Stern was my favorite commissioner With picking With making announcements Okay That's what I liked about Granik Is that he just looked like an accountant

Who got a splunk Like the nerdiest guy they could find And he's got to They're forcing him to get up there and announce the pics. Yeah, like, Stern played to the crowd. Like, you know, he knew when the Knicks were up. Yeah. And the guy who does it now is, is, he's like he's trying to be kind of cheesy and nice.

But I miss, I miss the nerdy, Melvaney. Is it Mark Tatum now? I think that's right. Yeah. So it starts off with Adam Silver then Mark Tatum. But, yeah, I mean, you see, this is Stern, stern, like, was great at it. Godell Godell tried too hard

to play out the crowd huge difference yeah stern embraced the booze he felt like he earned the booze the booze the booze were validation in themselves

whereas Godell is trying to pretend that he likes the booze but you can tell that it really gets to him yes well said that's exactly what it is like Gaddle it's like there's an image consultant

who's like who told him to go like this right you know and you can tell it breaks his heart a little bit exactly exactly

yeah Stern lived it Stern was like, yeah. Stern's like, boo me, F you. Exactly. Yes, exactly. That's so that's why, hey, I always felt like the, you know, the NFL started bringing in these other people to announce it to kind of get Goodell off of there, right?

We had so much fun in 2020 and you were, uh, I'm relatively speaking, right? Doing the draft show. Yeah. But you were getting a kid out of Goodell chair of Goodell. of Gadell sitting on that chair, yes. Yeah. You feel like there's like a relatable chair that he has in his teacher room. Yeah, like the image consultant, like sit on this chair and by the fireplace. Yeah.

Ridiculous. But that, yeah, that always, that always cracked me up. Fun stuff. The worst, by the way, I mean, Gadell is light years better than Rob Manfred. I mean, the M.O.B. draft. Awful. He looks like there's nowhere. Well, I mean, the man hates baseball.

Baseball. They name the commissioner of the guy in the world who hates baseball the most. It's really fantastic. Yeah, like you watch the MLB drafted. It's like he'd rather be anywhere at that moment. He's practicing his golf swing. Exactly. Yeah.

Awful. Yeah, very funny. All right. Patriots on the clock at 137 and then the Niners will close out the fourth round before the Eagles approach. I think it'd be funny if he goes keep trading down. Just don't take anybody. We're good. Maybe they just take like 12, 7th rounders.

What do you think how he's going to say afterwards about this? I think he's going to say we didn't love the class. You think he'll put it like that? Yeah. Or he will frame it as like, to us, the class was pretty layered at this point where there wasn't a difference between guys we had on the board and, you know, the next 40 players. and so we figured we would take more bites at the apple. I mean, almost by definition, they're showing you that.

I mean, I'm how he doesn't say this is verbatim. But kind of paraphrasing, over the years, one thing he said is that when we talked about trading, is if you're on the board, and there's not someone there that really excites you to trade out, right? Or if there's a cluster of players there and there's no one that really jumps out, trade out. And so that's the fact that they've traded, has shown that there's no one sitting at the spots in this round that, like, really excite you. And, you know, I can get excited about guys here.

So I'm... Okay. I don't know. We'll see what they do. You got to cross off Ehrlich. So a lot of the names that we've discussed, still on the board. Still on the board. I think there's a lot of running backs to like.

I think it would be fun for them to add a running back. Jalen Lane, no, he did get picked. You need a pick. And Isaiah Bond has an off-field thing going on. Tori Horton hasn't gone yet. If you're looking for a wide receiver, my guy Ricky White, the third. A bunch of tight ends available.

I do think that the trading down there and not taking a tight end, like if you were thinking they were just trying to address need, probably tells you that they don't feel that they need a guy from this class at least if it's not going to be a trade. It's good point. Joshua Farmer, who we've discussed, goes off the board to the Patriots.

I like that pick. Good point. So I want to just give a quick shout out to Tony Rooney's on Ridge Avenue. How about that? Yeah. So we're on fast. You know, if you have Xfinity, if you have a Samsung TV, if you have Roku TV, right, there's dedicated channels there.

And so Tony Rone's on Ridge Avenue, their first screen, Their only screen there. You know what they're showing? Tony Rooney's. Yeah. Tony Rooney's. Yeah, my son Reed is a big fan of Tony Rooney's. All right.

I mean, what a fun name to say. Yeah, so, and I like Tony Rooney's. Good tomato pie there at Tony Rooney's. So Tony Rooney's on Ridge, thank you so much for having our screen on right now. Or our show on. The official Tony of Draft Weekend, as far as I'm concerned. Who's number two on that list? Tony Reilly.

Oh, okay. I like a Tony Realli. Okay. Yeah. Give me your top five Tonys. Soprano. Okay. You love a soprano?

I don't know if he's my number one. Tony. Cooch? Okay, yeah. That's a T-O-N-I. That's okay. Okay, yeah. Tony-T-O-N-A.

Okay. Well, then how about to put an Andrew Tony there? Okay, sure or not, yeah. Now we're just, we're going with all different types of Tony's. Tony Leonard from the Eagles. Okay, okay. Nice. There you go.

Who is that for the people who have no idea? He's the grounds crew. Yeah, the vice president of grounds. Yes, I believe, yeah. He's in charge of making the field. Yes. Better than MetLife Stadium and the sod father in Aaron. Arizona. Yeah. And I'm not going to say Tony Romo. I'm on the Ph.I. Eagle Show. I can't go to that. Let's go with, let me think here.

How about Tony Hawk? Nah. Oh, I know what I'm going with. This one, this one's high on my list. It's a man I have great respect for. Tony Pauline. I should say that. Yeah, I'm going to knock off Tony Good Coach to put Tony Pauline, but my number one is... Your number one, this is big. It's going to be Tony Bennett, the former

head coach at the University of Virginia. Oh, you love Tony Bennett. Yeah, Tony Bennett is a good man. Good man, good character. Left his team high and dry. Well, he wanted to give his... For a guy with high... He wanted to give Ron Sanchez a chance to...

So he chose his crony over his players. Tony Bennett is a good coach and a good man. I have a better number one Tony. Okay. And you're going to feel bad about this. Yes. Because my number one, Tony, I hope he's watching.

Defop Tony Ascenda. Oh, there you go. Yes. Number one, Tony, Tony, Tony Ascenda. No, you already went on the record. You went on the record. You like Tony Bennett more than our friend, Tony Ascenda. I like Tony Ascenda more.

I'm sorry that you've been... No, Tony Ascenda. Tony Ascendant is my number one. Even though some people here think that he is engaged to his sister, I still love Tony Asanda. Yeah, that was very embarrassing. Very embarrassing.

Tony Ascendant is the man. Chad Powers is coming out this fall. Can't wait for the Chad Powers to come out. That's going to be on Hulu, I believe. Yeah, Tony Ascenda is awesome. Find players, watch players, American Vandals, right? Dave, Tony, Jason Kelsey commercial for Buffalo Wildeings.

Yeah, Tony Asenda is awesome. Friend of the show, friend of us, Tony Asenda. There you go. Jordan Watkins, who I liked a little bit, goes off the board there. And the last pick of the fourth round, and that means we've officially moved to round five. Jordan Watkins going to the San Francisco 49ers. I kind of like the Niners draft so far.

Michael Williams at the top was an interesting. Yeah. Now, I saw Sunset Shaz tweet something out where Shanahan said they're addressing all their needs today, which, or all their needs in this draft, whereas you have said, you always like Howie's Framling. I like Howie's, yeah. That if you hit your needs, it's probably not a good draft. If you've addressed all your needs in the draft, it's probably not a good draft, which I think is good framing because, you know, that means you're pushing people up to board. And that's not, I mean, just mathematically, that's not how it would work, right? Like that the best players all happen to be the needs. that you have.

But it's also, you know, it's kind of a mark against a Mukuba pick to some degree, but it doesn't have to be. Well, he did say, Howie said, talking about McCuba, it was value meets need, which I thought he doesn't usually use the term need when describing a pick.

So that does show you that they wanted to get a safety in this draft. Some love for Tony Gwynn and Tony Shalube in the chat, I see. How do we feel about Anthony's? Tony Braxton? Because I'm not putting Anthony's with the Tony's. Yeah, I wouldn't go. I mean, I don't think Cuzz goes by Tony. Yeah.

And same thing with the Bund, though. He doesn't go by Tony. Yeah. So. Tony Buns, though. Tony Buns? Okay. Well, then he's high up on that list too.

Yeah. He's probably tied with the Asenda at that point. And you keep burying Asenda. Over Bennett. Oh, no. Tony Buns is a friend of the show. He's a friend of the show, but he's never been on the show. Well, let's rectify that.

Yeah, sure. Yeah. Look, we have a lot of shows. We have a lot of shows in May June. So, yeah, we're going to be. scrape, I don't want, that's a wrong way of saying, scraping the barrel. We're going to be finding different topics. Give us your favorite Tony's.

Tony's the Tiger. Also, in the chat, Tony Morrison. If there's a show topic that you want in May, in June, also someone here has well-deserved paternity coming up to. So I- Congratulations, Andrew. Yeah.

I always say Bo is the best host in the city, but it's not just for like how good he is at being the traffic cop for the show and kind of steering the show, but also his framing devices are outstanding. Like he'll find ways to talk about a topic that's new, that's original. So there's going to be periods in May or June or July where it's going to be incumbent upon me to get those things together. And so I am going to make sure that I'm hitting what you want.

So if there's a topic that you want to hit, let me know. Tony Besselli, Tony Pepperoni. Tyrion Ingram Dawkins goes off the board, the Georgia defensive tackle, first pick of the fifth round to the Minnesota Vikings. Eagles approaching five picks away. Very exciting. They're going to announce that we don't want to draft anybody. We're using the pick, but we're not drafting anybody.

That's how much we hate this draft. That would be a bold move right there. Tony Montana, you Scarface guy? Not really. Okay. This is an interesting trade. Per Adam Schaefter. The Seahawks are trading Sam Howell to the Vikings.

Interesting. Okay. The Vikings who were looking for. a backup quarterback flirted with Aaron Rogers. Instead, they're taking Eagles killer Sam Howell. Yeah. I found a kick out of the report. Sam Howell's available.

No, really? It's like, yeah. I feel like your comparison for that would be like walking into a bar and be like, I'm available. Yeah, actually, yes. Yeah. Yeah, so, but no, that makes sense. And look, if you're a backup quarterback, there's,

I think Minnesota is a good place to go. Kevin O'Connell's shown he can do a good job with development. Cam Jackson, the nose tackle from Florida, who I thought if the Eagles were looking for a Jordan Davis backup would have made some sense. He goes to the Carolina Panthers, and he gets to play and bully to him, gets to spend some time in the position meetings with your boy, Derek Brown. Good place for him to go. Yeah, anytime you can spend time around Derek Brown,

You want to take that if you're defensive. You get smarter. You get more attractive. I don't know about that, but it'll help you play defensive line. Derek Brown's a really good defensive lineman. One of the three best players in football, I believe, as far as you're concerned. Not one of the three best players in football, but certainly a potential building block guy. All right.

Ravens on the clock at 141. It'll go Ravens, Vikings, Dolphins, Seahawks, Eagles. You got any more names? You want to play a little name game? I can always do this. Let's go two more. You still get to control everyone you've already drafted in these games and then we're going to get two more.

Sure. I'll go first to give you a minute to look at the available options. I'm going to go, let's see, Fran already said Tommy Hill. I've already drafted Marcus Bo. I'm going to say, I mean, they still haven't had anybody on the offensive line. There's not a lot of options. Jackson Slater, but he's probably just a center. You know what?

I'm going to say Oregon tackle a Johnny Cornelius. Sure. That's a good one. Someone you had in your mock draft. Yeah. This is all the attention on Josh Connerley, but Cornelius transfers in from Rhode Island, I believe, and has a good year.

Thought of as a very good run blocker, but a work in progress as a pass blocker. I think that could be a fine little right tackle project for stat to take on. East Coast guy I'll go Johnny Cornelius How about you?

That's a good one there So I talked about this guy In the My Guys But let's put him in here Because if you're looking for Versoble backup Off offensive lineman I know he has short arms

But you can do a lot worse Than Jonah Monheim Okay That's a good one I will then go Huh Still a good running back class Still a good running back class

I mentioned DJ Giddens one of my guys. I think Prashard Smith would make some sense. Fran talked about LeQuint Allen, who they brought in. They brought in Jordan Blue, the ball carrier. Devin Neil still is available. Marcus Yarns. Shout out to Vince, who loves him. Damien Martinez and Kelle Mullings, if you're looking for big heftier guys.

I think they could still take a linebacker, you know, if they do want to play. If they do want to play, our friend Jihad Campbell on the edge a little bit more, Maybe Chris Paul Jr. brings that speed that Howie would like. Kane Madrano is interesting. I'm going to go, though. I'm going to, you know what?

I don't think we've drafted him yet, so I'm just going to say Elijah Roberts, the SMU. Defensive lineman who they brought in for a pre-draft visit, just to give myself a shot at a bucket here. There you go. Carson, Vincent, the offensive lineman from Alabama A&M goes off the board. So we've spoken a lot about Shrewer Sanders. but if you look at quarterbacks. Yeah, I was thinking about this.

So I'm not going to go with my guy Kyle McCord, friend of the show, or a friend of Ph.L.I was on Anthony's show. If you're looking more for like the Eagles type, okay? I wonder if we agree on this one. Yeah, so this is another local guy. So this is the person who replaced Kyle McCord, and that's Will Howard. I was going to go Quinn Ewers. Okay, yeah, Quinn Ewers doesn't move as well.

So I'm looking more from like the movement ability. I mean, the other. Of the guys I see on my list here, Will Howard and Riley Leonard are probably the more mobile. I mean, they drafted Tanner McKee. He doesn't move. It's a good point. No, I agree. And Howie has said, you kind of don't look stylistically, right? You kind of look for the upside. But I think Will Howard, you know, 6-4-236, like I said, moves well, national championship quarterback. Him and Nick Siriani were actually at a banquet together in March, 22.

Jaylen Hertz was, I'm sorry, March 2023, Jalen Hertz was there as well. It was the Maxwell Awards. It was up in the Poconos. And that year, they were... Okinares.

Yeah, Will Howard was the local player of the year. He was at Kansas State, but they gave it to like a player from the Philly area, and he was the local player of the year. So the people who were honored that night were Nixiriani, Jalen Hertz,

Ryan Anderson, or I'm sorry, not Ryan Anderson, Will Anderson, Kayla Williams, and Will Howard. There you go. Right? And so they were all at, they were all like in the VIP area together.

And so Nick Siriani had a chance to be around Will Howard then. And it is Will Howard, not Howard Will. It is definitely Will Howard. Got it. I'm just going to read off some other names, position by position, because I see some people throwing some names in the chat. And please do that. Let us know who you want the Eagles to pick.

Some of those guys have gone. Safety. Jalen Reed from Penn State, who the Eagles brought in for a pre-draft visit. Marcus Siegel, who we talked about from Kansas State, Dante Trader Jr. if you want Chris to keep on drinking. And Catan Crawford and Max and Hook also available. At corner, Tommy Hill, Franz, boy, Denzel Burke, Zach's boy, Balconi. Quincy Riley went.

Mack McWilliams, Kobe Bryant, not that one. Brandon Adams, Jordan Hancock. I appreciate you clarifying, not that one. I think there are people worry. Linebacker Jeffrey Bassa from Oregon, still available. Chris Paul Jr., who is super speedy from Ole Miss, but a little bit undersized. Kane Madrano. Cody Lindenberg from Minnesota.

Soda, a big player, but a little bit lacking athletically, good coming downhill. Jamon Dumas Johnson from Kentucky and Tyreem Powell, who's got those long arms from Rutgers. Jordan Phillips at defensive tackle, also a defensive tackle. Ty Hamilton from Ohio State. Riley Mills from Notre Dame, who we like a little bit coming off an injury. And Ania's Peebles undersized from Virginia Tech, but a fun guy to watch. We talked about Braden Swinson, who still hasn't gone. Come on Rucker from North Carolina on the edge, Elijah Roberts.

Tyler Barron from Miami of Ohio. Ohio, who the Eagles brought in for a pre-draft visit. Ahmed Hassanine, the Egyptian from Boise State, who the Eagles had a bit of contact with. I like him as a player. That's a fun one. Offensive line, Marcus Bo, we talked about. Jackson Slater from Sacramento State. Jalen Rivers from Miami of Ohio.

John Amaham, your boy, Drew Kendall, but that's just a center from Boston College. Miles Frazier. Cameron Williams would be interesting still, the league telling you that they don't think he has it, given the enormous size. But who better than Jeff Statlin to get the most out of him? tight end, Gavin Bartholomew from Pitt, Mitch Evans from Notre Dame, Joshua Simon from South Carolina,

Jake Briningstool from Clemson, Molokai Madavow from UCLA and Zex, I mean, Franz Boy, Jackson Hawes from Georgia Tech at wide receiver. Torrey Horton from Colorado State. No, he's gone. Ricky White, the third, my guy, from UNLV, Conan Mumfield from Pitt,

Kianre Lambert Smith from Auburn, who's got a little bit of speed. I see some love for Xavier Restrepo in the chat. He is the undersized. Slot guy from Miami who Coach Flynn likes a lot did run that glacial 40 time which has to tank his stock but we'll see if he gets drafted. A bunch of running backs, DJ Giddens

Brashard Smith, Devin Nealh, Jadden Blue, Marcus Yarns, Damien Martinez, Kellele Mullings, Jordan James, LeQuint Allen, film a face up and then the quarterback. Shador Sanders still sticking out like a sore thumb before you get to Quinn Ewers, Will Howard, Kim Miller, Riley Leonard, Kyle McCord and there you go.

I don't know if we covered this. Ingram Dawkins went to the Vikings. We did. Okay, yeah, okay, sorry. Georgia defensive tack. Yep. Okay. So the Eagles.

Riley Mills just went. He went to the Seahawks. Yep, Eagles are one pick away. Jordan Phillips goes off the board. Chris, he's got a lot of work to do. Oh, interesting. So the Browns just traded to go one spot ahead of the Eagles. Interesting.

Ian Rappaport giving it the, you would imagine. He's got some hinting that this is hinting that this is going to be Shador to the Browns and they're trying to get him instead of the Eagles. He thinks the Eagles were going to draft Shador at 1.45. That is what he is implying. Let me ask you this.

If Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders are the four quarterbacks, which one doesn't make the team next year? Maybe they trade. Trade Blacklow or Picket? Yeah. Picket gets moved again. He goes in New Orleans.

Yeah. A little arbitrate. garage situation. Yeah. Yeah. I could see that. I mean, they could keep four. It's not a crazy thing to do.

They could. Or they can cut Chidor, you know, take them and cut them. Put them on the practice squad. Sure. This is interesting. I mean, the inference here is absolutely that this is going to be Shador Sanders one pick ahead of the Eagles. And then, yeah, because Shepter just put the same thing, too. Browns just traded up to the, oh, to the Eagles pick.

Oh, to the Eagles pick at 144. No, that's in front of it. He's wrong about that. Yeah, he messed it up. and Albert Beer said that Browns just traded up and here it comes. So this is like the group, I don't want to say the group tax, but everyone kind of knows this is Shore Sanders. But the interesting framing here is that Andrew Barry felt he had to jump in front of the Eagles to do it.

Yes. Yeah. Well, Fran, I'm glad you're coming in because this is going to be big here. The Browns have just traded in to 144, one spot ahead of the Eagles, and all the national guys are inferring, or implying rather, that this is going to be Shador and the Browns wanted to get ahead of the Eagles to do it. Yeah, it's Chador. It's Chador.

He's got it. So the Browns, after slapping Shador centers across the face by trading up to draft Dillon Gabriel are now, that's wild. They're playing, they're really negging him completely. And now they're hoping it's going to work and they can have a successful partnership. It's interesting that they traded ahead. That's what you're saying. Yep.

I mean, as, as Zach says, Andrew Barry must have thought this is what Howie would do. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, now they can say it's just circumstantial. That's the pick they were able to get to. But Andrew Barry, Andrew Barry knows how he is value-oriented, right? And so that strikes me as intentional. All right.

Well, that means the Eagles are on the clock. Very interesting. on my part. Now if the Eagles trade out of this. Yeah. Again. Yeah. But also, like, if they wanted Chador, if they actually wanted him, if they should have just taken him in the fourth round.

100% correct. Yeah. So they can't be upset about this. No, exactly. Exactly. This could have been the Eagles, you know. If they had just traded for Deshaun Watson, this could have been them. Yeah.

The Eagles are on the clock. Eagles are on the clock. Pick is in. Bada, ba-ab-bum, Buffy. What do we think? You know, you get two picks if you want. Yeah, it's the late.

It's too late. He knows. Oh. What do we have? Rickett. Central Florida cornerback, Mack McWilliams. Mac the Knife. He was a player that I think we,

I talked about last night in the video that's up on our YouTube page. Yeah, as a potential like Avante Maddo-Rplacement there. This is a guy that's played inside and outside over the course of his career with UCF. I thought he had one of the better weeks of practice. of any corner down in Mobile at the Senior Bowl. It looked really good in one-on-ones, but a competitive corner. I'm going to go through my report on him really quick. Before you do, we're going to make this the Shady Ray's Future is Bright.

The Eagles drafting UCF cornerback Mack, Mick Williams, a very similar profile to Avanti Maddox, as you mentioned it. Break it down for us, Mr. Duffy. Yeah, four-year starter at two different programs. It began his career. Obviously finished at UCF, but began. began his career, UAB, transferred there after the 2022 season. Scrappy corner, compact frame.

He's built more for the slot. But I do think that he has the- 10-191. Yeah, shorter arms as well. Built more for the slot, but I do think he has the mindset and the athleticism to handle perimeter duties in the right system as well. Very confident corner. He plays with an edge.

I love the way he attacks the football downhill. He's able to hit pocket and read routes at the intermediate area. When I say that, when I have that in my report, you know, I've talked many times about how much I value those reps. where guys have to face one-on-one coverage against routes that break at the intermediate area. So we're talking like deep dig routes, comeback routes, deep curl routes. Because there you've got to gear up as if the receiver is going to run vertically like a goal ball. But then you've got to gear back down.

So that requires route instincts and then athleticism. I thought McWilliams was a player that had the ability to do that. There were some rough reps in the slot. I thought that he's got to get a little bit better there. But again, Avanti Maddox never played the slot at Pitt. He was an outside corner only. so that's fine in terms of making that projection. I thought that he could get in trouble letting receivers with a two-way go get on top of him.

His ball skills, a little bit of a question mark. Again, that's a little bit less worrisome in the slot. His size is definitely a limitation at times in the run game, but there's a lot to like about the player. I would not rule him out in terms of finding starting work in the NFL. I did think it was more likely that he would be a flexible backup in the league. What a breakdown. Fantastic.

I like McLeod. Team captain last year's. Well, ran a 4-4-1, 40-yard dash at the combine. Didn't jump particularly well. He had a 34-inch vertical jump, but this is absolutely from the Avanti-Matic's school. And I think this was an important thing for them to add was a guy who gives them a little bit of backup flexibility for Cooper to Jean in the slot. No, that's a good point. And some of the guys they brought in were of that ilk. Mac McWilliams by going with like a UCF player who transfers from U.S.

A B, this is a scouts pick, right? This is a pick where the scouts kind of target a guy like that. You're looking for someone to fill that slot role. I've said consistently that I think long-term Cooper's Gene is going to be an outside corner for the Eagles. Now, I'm not saying Mack McWilliams is their eventual slot quarterback, but the theory is you can find slot corners this time of draft. It's harder to find starting outside corners.

And that's why I thought Cooper DeGine would ultimately profile there. So I'm going to defer to Fran here totally. I haven't watched Mac McMilliams at all. But the profile makes sense. And it's also noteworthy here, four picks, four defensive players. Yeah, that's crazy. I remember that we talked about them last night because I forgot that at 1 a 1 a.m.,

we talked about how Mack McWilliams sounds like the name of a white 90s rapper. Yeah, that's right. And you looked into the camera. Mac Mac Mac Williams. Yeah, perfect. There you go. The lasting image of Mac Mac MacMews' draft day. I compared to Miles Bryant.

Miles Bryant was drafted out of Washington. I loved Miles Bryant when he was coming out, and he has stuck for a while. I think he went undrafted, Brian, but he's been in the league since then, as, again, flexible inside, outside, safety. McWilliams, he's a good player. Small, but really competitive, really scrappy, instinctive.

And again, I thought the senior ball, he was one of the better corners down there. How do you feel about the Chodor thing, how that played out? A little weird that they traded up for two different quarterbacks in the middle rounds, but also to do it like, from the Eagles standpoint.

You think they were going to do it there? I mean, I think Andrew Barry, that was probably purposeful. He thought it was possible. Man, look at this QB room. Deshawn Watson, Kenny Kicket, Joe Flacco, Dylan Gabriel, Shador Sanders.

Yeah, that's what we were saying before you came on here. So let's take Watson out of the equation here. Of those four, who's not on the roster, week one? I mean, Gabriel has to be on the roster. You think so? You traded up to take him in the third round.

He has to cut him. Yeah, they can't cut him. So I mean do the Saints try to trade for picket now to compete with Tyler right Tyler you know is that's not a bad idea yeah because you you know now Derek Carr's injury I'm curious you know because you're not going I mean you traded you know you didn't trade a lot but you traded for picket yeah I don't think you're in cut pick it are you uh but you saw you gave flackle money I don't think they would pick they don't think they would cut him I think you're right I think they would try to flip him

for something exactly so Chador strikes me as as the player who they would cut or put on practice squad has a quarterback been traded three three times in two years? Who's that? Teddy Bridgewater. I mean, they could also just keep four. They could. It's not crazy.

But it's more about, frankly, like, reps in training camp. They're not going to have enough time to evaluate the two rookies, right? Yeah. You want to make sure you get both. I would imagine that they're going to try to flip picket to the sense. I think that makes sense. Yeah. I think that's a good call.

I mean, if you're, if you're coming more, it makes sense too. Is Kenny Pickett, let me see here, he's 26 years old. Okay, he was born June 6, 1998. So he's, he is a year and a half older than Tyler Schell. I like Tyler Shuck going in New Orleans to just because, like, oysters, you know, Shuck and Shuck and Shuck. Okay, that's good. I'm going to take a quick time out. to use the mens room real quick okay

get some lunch too oh okay you gotta eat okay yeah I got plenty to talk about now let's feel bad for both I got a lot of best host you know what happens when you leave though to the chat

you make fun of the check no they say he's pooping every time every time thousand percent all right we want to talk about well the Eagles have

three picks in a like six-pick cluster coming up here in a little bit. Those are always fun. Yeah, that'll be fun to see how they approach that. The first one is just at the scrawl so you can see. So right now we're at 146 on the clock and the Eagles are up again at 161. But then they go hot and heavy, 161, 165, 168.

I would like to see them make some picks. What are we thinking here? Well, you know what? I have not been more wrong about anything than saying, I think the Eagles wanted to add some offense in this draft. Or four picks in, they haven't drafted a single offensive player. Wasn't it a cluster last year where they pulled in both receivers back to back?

Is that right? Yeah, well, they did Anias in the fifth and Keegan in the fifth, and then did Johnny Wilson and Dylan McMahon in the sixth. Okay, so there were two different clusters and they got it. Okay. So we'll see. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah.

You know, you think about the structure. of the offensive line and the backup. I mean, I think they would always be looking out for offensive linemen. But if you're not adding a starter, you know, they did some backfilling. They added Kendall Lamb as a potential swing tackle. They added Matt Pryor who can play guard and tackle.

They've got Kenyon Green or Tyler Steen, whoever is not the starter. And they've got Trevor Keegan from last year. So I think they feel okay about the depth of the room and Darren Kinnard as well, who was on the roster all season long. So I don't think they feel desperate, but I think they just always want to add to that group.

wide receiver you're thinking about. I think, you know, you've got Dotson as the three. Johnny Wilson will probably be on the team again, and then Anaya Smith has a chance to make it. I think that they should add somebody there. You want somebody else to compete. Terrace Marshall. Terris Marshall.

Tight end, again, if you're not looking for a starter, they did add two guys in free agency who helped fill out the roster. And if Dallas got it's still going to be here, you're probably fine. Yeah, this is what they do, right? They do this in the lead up to the draft so that, if this happens that you feel good. I think running back, you know, you've got AJ Dillon as the presumed number three. You can't count on him staying healthy.

I would be surprised if they make all three of those picks, right? If one of them's not a running back. Yeah, I think that's fair, especially with the value on the board. What the way that the board is. I think that's right. Yeah, I think that running back is a position that there's probably some value there to be had. LeQuint Allen, we've talked about Jaden Blue. We've talked about both guys.

We're in on 30 visits over the course. of this off season. So that would be a position, certainly, to look at. I think receiver, we talked about some of these names. I think that makes sense. Yeah, those are probably the positions that make the most sense, right? Now, it sounds like, according to the chat,

that Rappaport says that the Eagles were going to take Shador Sanders. There we go. Which, again, from a moving-the-board standpoint, they have so much ammunition. They had four fifth-round picks and two, if they decided they wanted Shador Sanders, they should have just gone and got him. But I don't think it's a situation of like they

wanted there, it was a, if he falls those, we're going to take him. I don't think you want to say like, all right, we're going to blow a pick to move up to try and go out of our way to take him. Yeah, I guess. But I mean, to me, that's about like, oh, it's a wonder. It's not a, it's not a confirming. It's a he wonders if so, which

in the NFL insider ecosystem means that he thinks that they're running. Yeah, yeah, right. Right. He heard from one source that said they probably were going to do it. Jordan James, the Oregon running back, goes to the San Francisco 49ers. Big and physical. I didn't even see a Maryland guy went. Two of them went.

Two of them went? Yeah. Oh, it's going to be a long night for Chris. It's still early, too. Yeah, how are you spacing these out? Oh, you're doing a shotgun on air? Is that the, whatever you, whatever you feel comfortable with. I don't want to, we're not peer pressuring you.

I got to catch up on some of these picks here. If you're just joining us as the Eagles cluster of three picks approaches in the beginning of this round, they took Mack and McWilliams, the cornerback from UCF, a bit of Avanti Maddox vibes. Let's catch up on the other picks. Riley Mills,

the defensive tackle from Notre Dame, goes to Seattle. Jordan Phillips, the defensive tackle from Maryland goes to Miami. Shador Sanders goes to Cleveland after the Browns trade up to select him after earlier trading up to select Dylan Gabriel. They thought the Eagles were going to take him. Braden Swinson finally went the LSU edge to the New England Patriots,

and then Jordan James, the running back from Oregon, goes to the Niners. The Cowboys just took a running back or taking a running back. So we didn't even have the Rams pick. Yeah. Jayden Blue. Oh, ahead of the Eagles. Yep, ahead of the Eagles. So Jayden Blue off the board.

Jack's going to be upset about that one because that was a, you know, a mock draft pick for him. Al you know. Al you know and both, yeah. You know what we should do. Let's go to the, turkeys to the draft kingdom. Oh, yes. And look at how things have played out so far.

This is the most important draft game. No, Al, you know, is the most important. I feel like you say it before everyone. And then when I say, oh, yeah, this is that one. Yeah. Well, this is the one where I'm the four-time defending champion. This is the one you're the game. It's not the most prestigious.

It's just the one that reflects who knows the most about the Eagles. Okay, got it. So the ones that have been decided so far. Okay. The first pick the. Eagles make. Will it be before 32 at 32 or after 32? Oh, that's this one. The one we did last night. The one we did last night. First night. Yeah, yeah.

Zach and I both had 40 turkeys on before. You had 30. So that's an early lead for us there. The second pick before 64, at 64, or after 64, I had 30 turkeys on 64, and you and Zach both had 35. Yeah. So that gives Zach an early five-point lead on me, and I am five points ahead of you. Turkeys-wise.

I didn't feel good about this game. Total picks yet to be decided, but that will yet to be decided. Veteran trade coming or going, not looking good so far, but it could still happen before the end of the round. If it doesn't happen, that will be to my advantage.

I had the most turkeys on a no. First pick, now this is going to be tough because this may have to, unlike Duck Duck Juice, where you have both edge and linebacker, this is going to be tough. And I think we probably need to count it as linebacker.

I think so too. Given what we all considered Jehad Campbell. And if that would be the case, it's not a lot of turkeys. You would get a one-point turkey advantage. You'd have 15 on me and Zach both having 14. Second pick. I'm going to pick up some turkeys here because they go safety, which was other. And I had 40 turkeys.

You and Zach both had 25 turkeys. Eagles have not traded a 2026 pick yet. And that's a bit of a surprise. Yeah. More picks on offense or defense or tie. You're going to come out ahead if it does land defense. You have 50. Zach and I, both around 35.

And then a tight end, not drafted yet. That is a little bit to my favor if they draft one. And if they don't, it's 20 turkeys. We've got Goddard traded, Georgia, Bama, Ohio State, and Notre Dame combined. Only one of those so far. But that's the over and a half. So that'll be interesting. And then finally, the whole thing could be swung by whether or not tonight,

if Hallie Roseman says the phrase, tools in his body. Said it yesterday? He said it yesterday? Yes. Well, I want a ruling on this. Okay. We said tools in his body or tools in the body.

Yes. So the exact phrase, I meant to say this on our area yesterday. Okay. And I appreciated Halley being tired because when you're tired to revert to what you know. So this should count. And that was really what he says,

the tools that he has in his body. That has to count. That counts. The tools that he has in his body. I think that counts, unfortunately. Yeah. He said, we considered moving back, but we really liked Andrew

and his play temperament and his play style and the tools that he has in his body. And then the next thing he said, and then he repeated it, he said, I just think at the end of the day, you watch the tape, you see the tools that he has in his body.

That counts. Okay. Okay. That's too bad. Good for him, though. Keep it up. Point of view. Keep it up.

Good for him. him. All right. Well, that's going to be, that's, that makes it much closer. That makes Zach looking like the early leader. But did you see that Jaden Blue, the ball carrier, is going to the Dallas Cowboys? Jaden Blue the ball carrier. Are you excited for that?

It's good. We get to stay in the division. Right. You get to get that. I'm just happy you put is in there. Anyways. Anyways. Again, it's got to be a flag.

But. What? And just, I can't imagine that's legal. Oh. I bet Mark Murphy is putting in a rule proposal to make sure that that's not allowed. Yeah, Jaden Blue, I really like Jaden Blue. Honestly, I mean, I talked about this with Fran the other day. You watched that playoff game, man.

I mean, he was running away. He was running away from them, 78 yards. I think that he's a good, like, situational back, a good guy to have in your backfield. The Cowboys have added now some guys that I really like going and they took your boy Tyler Booker they took Donovan Azaraku in the second round

Jaden Blue here I got You got Chavon Revel too Geron Revel yeah so they've hit on guys that we all like Two of my top 15 players went to Dallas Ty Hamilton the Ohio State defensive tackle also has gone recently Off my mock draft There you go

All right I need to pee now I'll let you guys Well you're doing that I'll do my guys Oh I want to hear you do guys Oh you want to hear my guys Okay yeah good point Good point. I'll go quickly. No, take your time. Have some pizza.

There's pretzels out there. Yeah, there, so. Should we do it like an NFC East roundup? I like that. I like that. Here, I'm going to read the names to you. Okay. Okay, because then you'll break down the players. So that's, that is the way we will frame this. So pulling this up here and the draft tracker.

Teams. First, we will go with the second place team last year. We'll go to Washington commanders. We'll go that way. Their first pick. Here, I'll just read their three. Josh Connerly Jr. in the first round, Trey Amos in the second round, Jalen Lane in the fourth round. Yeah, I'm going to be honestly, the pick that I love most is Jalen Lane. I think when you're looking at Lane and what he can be in the NFL, you know, I actually, he reminded me of the receiver in Green Bay, their number one receiver, slot guy, they move around. Oh, Jalen Reed.

Jaylon Reed, yeah. I thought that he had a lot of very similar characteristics to Reed in terms of like his usage can be that gadget type, screens, shallow crosses. And then, you know, I'm watching and I'm like, all right, let me, let me dig a little bit deeper into the profile. Because typically there are some players where I'm like, all right, let me, I do all the bio info first. I put it in the sheet. Then others where I'm like, all, let me watch him first.

And I'll go and I'll dig back through. He was a player that I just started watching first and then I'll dig back through the profile. And so I go in and I'm like, okay, he's been in Virginia Tech two years and it was all slot stuff. But before that, he was in Middle Tennessee State. And there he was an outside receiver only. vertical threat. So I'm like, all right, so he's got that in his game too,

where he can be that outside the numbers, you know, downfield guy. He can do all the underneath stuff. He played all special teams, return man, but then also coverage units. He's a good blocker, like gives a lot of effort. He was an Eagles type to me. Like I see Nick Siriani liking a player of that profile. I thought he had a solid senior bowl week. I really liked that player. So I thought that was probably my favorite. I like Amos, though. I mean, Amos is who their second round pick was. I would have been fine if they took him in the first round. I thought he was a first round, viable corner, instinctive. The speed was a little bit of a question on film, but good size really got better in his final year, but it's been on my radar for a few

years going back to his days at Louisiana. And then Josh Connerly, I like the athleticism, but we've talked about him. I worry about the play strength. I think this is a guy that if he's got to play early on, I think there will be some trouble spots dealing with power in the NFL. The Dallas Cowboys here, and we mentioned these. They hit on guys we all liked. First round number 12 overall, Tyler Booker. Second round, Donovan as a Raku. Third round, Shavon Revell Jr. fifth round, Jaden Blue. Yeah, Jaden Blue, electric playmaker, space guy. I mean, you want to get him out into the open field as much as possible. I didn't love him in a crowd, but if you're able to kind of move him around, I guess, you know,

reminisce that one player I wrote down was Theo Riddick. Remember Riddick? Yeah, of name. And was productive with the Lions. Yeah, he had some good years there. So I think blues got some similarities there. I think they were hoping for a little bit more from him. He was a big time recruit. He never really quite hit his ceiling. But that's a guy again, get him the ball in space and he can make big plays. And then Revell was a top 15 player for me. You know, I wax poetic enough about him over the course of this spring here on the show. But a guy with size, speed, ball skills, competitive toughness. I loved everything about his tape. When I went on with DLS yesterday, Clarence Hill stopped me. He was like, friend, take a breath.

Like I can tell how much you love this player. And it was like, what are the negatives? And I said, look, honestly, the negative is the profile. He's an older corner from a lower level of competition at ECU who didn't play a ton because he started the junior college level, then transferred to ECU. So only two years there. So I loved a lot of what he brought to the table. And ironically enough, the Dallas Cowboys just made another pick.

Florida linebacker Shamar James going there. Guy, Fran. I'm sorry, guy Bow liked. Yeah, that's right. So he's an athletic, rangy, sideline to sideline. linebacker, Chimar Dames, went to the senior bowl. I thought he was solid. If you squint, you could see like a Dion Jones type of presence, you know, who was a

pro ball linebacker for the Atlanta Falcons, former second round pick. I just didn't love his instincts. You know, I think that he was more of like a run around, run and chase type linebacker. Not surprised that he went in the fifth round when I did his film, you know, back in January. And then let's go to their first round pick, Tyler Booker. I love Tyler Booker. He is, I'm excited for the matchups between he and Jalen Carter moving forward. This guy is powerful.

He is strong, a great leader, one of the toughest guys in this draft. I really loved that pick for Dallas as well. And before we get to the Giants, the Colts just took DJ Giddens, who was a running back that Bo and I both liked when we did our running back show. Yep. And Giddens, you know, I was a little lower on Giddens, but, you know, I thought he would be a nice change of pace option out of the backfield. Obviously, they don't need a guy to be a starter when you've got that backfield already.

But Giddens makes some sense here in the fifth round. So the final NFCE team before you do, my guys, is the New York Giants here, polarizing draft on the set. First round Abdul Carter, first round Jackson Dart, third round, Darius Alexander, fourth round, Cam Scadaboo. Terrible draft. Yeah, I would say of the three, this is the weaker of the three. Obviously, they got the best player in Abdul Carter.

I don't love the trade up for Jackson Dart. I just have my doubts about the profile, about the upside. I just I'm shocked that he went in the first round. I am. I thought that there would be a lot of smoke there. A lot of scouts that I talked with didn't quite buy into that as well. So he ends up going in the first round. I didn't love that.

Darius Alexander, look, taking him early third round, I can kind of like grip my teeth and swallow that. But I was not super high on the profile. Honestly, when I did him on film, I gave him a back upgrade. And then I saw him up close and saw him at the senior ball. I was like, whoa, all right, I'm too low here. and then I go back and I watch more and then I get all the,

by that point, the season was over right after the Senior Bowl. So I go through all the numbers. I'm like, man, like this guy just wasn't productive in the Mac. Wasn't productive. You know, he was productive against Mississippi State. And then he goes up against Buffalo

and Eastern Michigan and Kent State. And you're just like, where is this dominant level of play? Well, the guy that I saw at the Senior Bowl, this is not what I'm seeing on film. For an older player, I'd question the overall upside there. You know, so that one was. a tough one.

And then Scadaboo, I like that. I like that thing there for the Giants there in day three. Shamar James, a linebacker from Florida going off the porch of the Cowboys. All right. We're going to take a quick break.

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to soft pretzels, bagels, and donuts? The problem is the shelf life with the donuts. They just start to go. Yeah. So, I mean, you can say the same thing about soft pretzel, though. Soft pretzel one. I can't, I mean, I cannot pass up a soft pretzel one, donut two, bagel three.

I think I would agree. Now, I love a bagel, but I feel like the office bagel is not the ideal version of the bagel. I'm more willing to just go get a bagel. Right. How about you, Zach? Yeah, so I would probably go bagel one. pretzel two donut three I'm trying to cut back on the donuts

so that's why I would go donut three and all things being equal donut would be one I like a pretzel but the thing is I want to have mustard on the pretzel and I feel like that's a little dirty in the office setting right now the bagel I need to bagel pre-sliced you know because you don't have the

the knife to slice it here and I don't like well here specifically but that's what I'm saying general office standpoint. Oh, I'm talking, well, respect. I mean, I don't say respect. But, like, honestly, this is the only office I've ever worked in. Okay.

And in my time, I am. When you were in the acquire, you didn't go into the office there? I went in for my expenses. Like, I, I've never gone in every day to an office. Got it, got it. If you, the office on my GPS is the Eagles facility. Like, you know, if I put in, if I go, if I go, if I go to Google Maps, I put in work, it takes me to the Eagles facility.

I've, I've never gone into an office every day until I took this job. So, like the water core talk type thing, I've never been able to associate with that. Yeah. So this is, this is new to me. Now, on the donut front, how do you feel about like the most popular chain donut, you know? That, which is much more of a light sort of snacky donut versus like a higher quality cakey donut. I like, I mean, I prefer the better donut, but in the office setting, give me the light version that's, you know, not going to weigh me down. I can go on my day.

I'm an equal opportunity of donut eater. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, donuts just sit on me now, though. Like, you know, they're great the moment you have it, but then, you know, it drains you of the energy for the next, you know, two hours or so. It doesn't have the desired effect. What do you think the stack rank is for the mice? Probably donut one.

Probably donut one. Yeah. Yeah. Donut one, pretzel two. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Probably right.

Yeah. All right. We are approaching the Eagles cluster of three picks, but before that, we got to get to the main event here. Tough act for you to follow after Zach's pounding the table. It's good. We've given it a nice long runway. I feel like enough time has passed for hopefully that's worn off on people.

Let's hear about Franz guys. All right. So this is the list of players that I feel like I'm a little bit higher on than everybody else. To me, you know, I'm looking at, I'm going to go quarterback.

Riley Leonard. And the reason why, you know, honestly, when I got into the backup quarterback cluster, which started pretty early for me, it was, you know,

I had my top four players at the top. And then it was basically everybody else. else. I just feel best about when I look at backup quarterback skill set, Riley Leonard is a guy that checks a lot of those boxes. I do think he's going to go here coming up pretty soon in this draft. And so Riley Leonard from Notre Dame, I feel good about the athleticism, the character, the work ethic. He can get a little bit better as a passer. But honestly, when I'm looking at backup quarterback, there are a lot of guys that have stuck in the league for a while that have had some of the limitations that he has had

as a pure passer. So, or Chris, another Maryland player has been drafted, Dante Trader Jr. I don't know, but poor Christ, he's exciting. He's all, he's already spilling Celsius back there. So, yeah, it's going to go. All right, let's go to my next one. This guy's off the board. Bashal Tootan from Virginia Tech. He's doing what?

He's Tootin. When I look at, when I watch Tutin, honestly, like, he was a freakless guy, so I knew, you know, the athleticism, what the testing. No, he wasn't a freakless guy. I know what it was when I went through the bio, I saw that he was a decorated track athlete, and that he was like a 4-3 guy, and it, ran a bunch of oppressive times when he was in high school. So I knew that was in his background, but I watched him.

I wasn't all that. I wasn't like overall like blown away by the speed and the game breaking ability. It was more like the tackle breaking and the patience and what he could do on third down. I liked Bashal Tootin on film. And then he goes to the combine and he goes nuts. And then everybody's like, oh, like Bashal Tootin. So I liked the profile. I liked the player.

I think he's going to find a role as a backup complimentary piece. Jalen Lane from Virginia Tech was my guy at wide receiver. I just talked about him a few minutes ago, talking about the Washington commanders. I talked about all the reasons why I like this player. He can be used in a lot of different ways, high character kid, talked to one of the coaches there at Virginia Tech about him. And he spoke very, very highly about what he brings off the field, the competitiveness, the toughness.

He's a very selfless player. And then, again, the film, I really like the film, reminded me a Jaden Reed with the Green Bay Packers. Go next to tight end. Jackson Hawes. Your boy, throughout the process. Yeah, I like Jackson Hawes because to me, he is an elite blocker.

Like it was going to be an outstanding point of attack presence for an NFL team at this position. And you might say, like, Fran, why does that matter? Well, there are players at this. When I look at him, I see a Josh Oliver who came out of San Jose State as a fourth or fifth round pick and became an elite blocker in the NFL. I look at the player the San Francisco 49ers just paid

coming from Jacksonville, former Ohio State Titan. His name is escaping me because I got a million names in my head. Yes. The 49ers just paid him like over $8 million a year. to be a blocking specialist, right? So when I look at the NFL values players that have this elite skill set, and to me, Jackson Hawes has that elite skill set. He's not going to give you a ton as a pass catcher, reliable underneath, past game threat.

This was his best year. As a pass catcher at Georgia Tech, he was in the Ivy League at Yale before this, and it was a minimal pass catcher. But when I look at what this kid brings, I think he has the ability to be a dominant, dominant blocker at the tight end position. Next up, offensive tackle.

I'm going to go Jalen Rivers from Miami. He actually just went off the board recently in the last few picks. He's got versatility to play up and down the line of scrimmage. He's played some center. He's played guard. He's played tackle. He's played left side. He's played right side.

To me, I like that all day. He had a solid week at the senior bowl, some ups and downs. But I like the traits. If he was a little bit more consistent, he probably goes yesterday. Instead, he ends up falling to the early stages of day three. Next up for interior offensive line, I got to go with my guy, Willie Lampkin. The sawed off, to saw it off undersized. he played guard at North Carolina.

He started his career, Coastal Carolina. I think he's going to be a center only in the NFL. I mean, we're talking about a player who's 510. He came in at the senior bill at 270 pounds. I thought it was a typo when I first saw the height weight and the measurables. He goes to his pro day. He wasn't invited to the combine. He tested at the pro day and didn't test all that great.

So very small, didn't test well. Wasn't invited to the combine. But he competes. But man, his film is so good. It really is impressive what he's able to do. He is a leverage monster, as our friend Brandon Thorne put it on the show a few weeks ago. I just, I love watching this kid play. He gets after it.

I never once saw him overwhelmed by play strength in the ACC. This is not a guy, you know, playing at a lower level of competition. In the ACC, going up against some quality defensive lines, I never once thought, oh, man, like this is going to be a big issue. Look, there were times like Josh Farmer got the best of him one time on a goal line play. Like there were some ugly reps here or there, but in every game, he held up well. And I go, again, at the senior ball,

he was a late edition that week. I didn't have height, weight on him before that. I see it come across. I'm like, all right, that has to be wrong. And then I see him on the field. I'm like, oh, my God, this is going to be so ugly. Guys, he was awesome all week. He was one of my favorite offensive linemen down there in Mobile.

I was really, really impressed with this kid on film. Ashton Jalati from Louisville, custard, water ice custard, as Zach put it yesterday. This is a skilled player, kind of a weird body, you know, squatty, a little bit short arms. You know, when you see him, you're like, oh, like, this guy's going to be a day two pass rusher. He is so skilled. He plays a million miles an hour. He can defend the run.

I liked Ashton Jolati to come in, probably more of a third defensive end as opposed to, like, an ideal three-down starter. But I like Jolati a lot moving forward into the NFL. Joshua Farmer from Florida State. This is a player that is big. He's broad. I mentioned he was the only guy that gave Willie Lampkin, So there's something to that as well. But I think that there's some juice there

athletically for a guy that size. And again, in a defensive tackle class that was very, very crowded, he's a guy that I think was slipping through the cracks and he's got that ability. I actually sent this in, not knowing he was going to fall, I thought he might be a guy that could go in the latter stages of day two.

But Farmer is a player that has certainly caught my eye. UCLA linebacker, Kane Madrano. Still available. Still out there. He's a lean athlete at the position. reminds me of Drew Tranquil when Drew Tranquil was at Notre Dame. And Tranquil came out. He was an early day three pick by the LA Chargers,

grew into like a quality backup special teamer, goes to the Kansas City Chiefs, takes over as a starter and gets paid as one of the better starters in the NFL. And so I think when you're looking at Kane Madrano, absolutely that's within the range of outcomes, very athletic, high character, get a little bit better in terms of finishing as a tackler.

Like that strength is an area where he's just got to get a little bit better. But I like Madrano on film. Tommy Hill. I talked about him earlier. I'm not going to go through the full thing. Honestly, he's the best player on the board right now for me. I think he's a starting corner in the league. And then Jonas Sanker from Virginia. He was a guy that I was definitely higher on.

I was higher on him than I was on Andrew McCuba. Macuba faster, like more explosive. Probably played with a little bit more edge to him. But I thought Sanker was just more well-rounded, a more consistent tackler, more consistent instincts. I like Jonas Sanker. He looked like a solid NFL starter all day. Good work.

Fantastic. Here go. I mean, the guy, the guy knows ball. What can you say? I don't know about that, but. How many players could you do like 30 seconds on? You know, I was talking to read about this today. Just like, you know, like the bare, you know, not, not three minutes, but just 30 seconds.

Like you just give the skinny, if you were. Yeah, yeah. 350. No, maybe not 350. Because I wrote up 240 or 235. So those were like full reports. Okay. It's probably a 275, close to 300.

What is remarkable to me, even beyond having done that many guys, is the recall of it. Because, like, you know, I'll cram for our position preview shows, and then a week later I'll forget the things that I thought about some of these guys. Like, I can't believe you remember it all. Well, you got to remember, I spent two hours with them, you know, watching all that tape. I think that's why I don't remember, like, when I say, like, oh, yeah, the Ohio State tight end, that the Jaguar stuff.

Right, right, right. There's only so much space in. Yeah, something's got to go out. But yeah, no, this is what I do. What I'm going to say. Eagles are one pick away. Incredibly impressive. I have some process questions for Fran later about the retaining information.

But the Eagles are one pick away. One pick away from their first of three and eight. And do you want to go over some of the guys who came off the, because some players we talked about came off the board in the past 10 picks here. Yes. He mentioned Jalen Rivers, Marcus, Bo. the offensive lineman from Purdue, the explosive offensive lineman goes to the Giants,

Dante Trader Jr., the Maryland safety, goes to the Miami Dolphins. Jeffrey Bossa, who we talked about as a linebacker option from Oregon, he goes to the Chiefs. Elijah Roberts, one of the players that I think we would have earmarked for one of these picks,

given the pre-draft visit to the Eagles, the defensive lineman from SMU goes to the Bucks, and then Kiannre Lambert Smith, the speedy wide receiver from Auburn, goes to the Chargers. So, you know, we've talked about a lot of these names. Yeah. I still think, I think one of the ones,

these picks will be a running back just because that's where the strength of it is. They still haven't drafted an offensive lineman. I think that would be a surprise to the Eagles. We're an offensive player. Or any offensive player. So yeah. I got the pick. You got it. Got it. It's going to be a Georgia player, linebacker. Smile. Oh, I like it. Smile. Mundden. He's a good player, a versatile skill set. A lot of people saw him as a strong side linebacker. He's got the ability to line up down on the ball, but he's more of it. Honestly, it's similar to the profile for Jahad Campbell. Now, he's got more experience as a pure offball guy.

I'm just going to pull up my report on him really fast. Please do. 6-2 and a quarter, 224 pounds or a leaner frame. The first guy who actually put me onto him was Quay Walker, former Georgia linebacker. And then Nolan Smith went on Chris Long's podcast and was like, yeah, this is going to be a guy to watch down the line. This is after Nolan got drafted.

History is a core four starter on special teams, but this is a three-year starter for Kirby Smart in the middle of that 3-4 defense. Versatile off-ball piece with the flexibility to walk out and coverage or become a part of the pressure package up front. Long, rangy player with solid overall athleticism and play strength.

He can match up in man against most combo body types, you know, like a hybrid tight end or running back and be effective. There's some blitzing value as well. I feel that he might be a little bit tapped on defensively that end. I don't know that he's going to be a, you know, like an every down type of player,

but I think a specialty role would be important for him. Not sure that I see a player that can handle like the instinct. I wanted to see a little bit more instincts overall. I thought he had tunnel vision in the box. Didn't always read everything out perfectly. Obviously, Vic Fangio gave the stamp of approval here. I worried about the lack of physicality consistently in tight quarters as well.

May just be a special team or a specialty subpiece, but the upside, there are tools there to be more than that. 6.2.5, 224. We're in a 4-5-8, 130-inch broad jump. which is pretty good. So you're talking about those tools. Three-year starter, which, you know, in Georgia, what will matter to the Eagles.

Do you think that this tells us anything different about Jihad Campbell? Good question. I just, I chuckled because my comp for him was Orrin Burke's. Wow. Interesting. Smile Mondin. Yeah. This is a guy that you want to take a road trip with, baby.

Well, it'll make you smile, right? But, no, this is someone who, you know, came up throughout the draft process as an intriguing lineback. I think, you know... It's like two on the nose, right? Yeah. Bob McGinn, his scouts had him as, I think, the number two linebacker. Whoa.

You know, I'm about to pull that up here. Interesting. Someone that... Scouts must not be in positions of power. If this is like the 15th linebacker drafted. Let me make sure that is accurate here. But he's someone who, when I remember reading that, and I was like, oh, wow. So pulling this up here, the number one linebacker was Jahad Campbell.

Yeah, the number two linebacker was Smile Mondin, who the projected range from these scouts was second and third round. He said, this is, now, Fran's talking to a lot of scouts too, and Fran is a scout in his own right, right? But just, you know, Bob McGinn's respected in this area. Led linebackers in the broad jump and the bench press, quote, not as good as Quay Walker, but a good football player said one scout. George's done a good job producing linebacker.

Second and third round, he's gone, which obviously isn't the case. really good running chase player, good interior blitzer, needs to clean up some things going on behind him in coverage, but he's really good in first level coverage, being able to read and react. When you hear that profile, it's kind of similar to Nekobi Dean. Do you see similarities there?

Yeah, I thought Nikobe was better in the box, personally. Like I think Nikobe was... Not quite as explosive physically. Not quite as explosive. I think he is more similar... He's more similar to Quay Walker, honestly. Like, he's not quite as big and long and rangy.

but I thought that, you know, Quay, he had, he was more traits than instincts and toughness and physicality. I thought this guy was more of like a finesse linebacker, like more of like your run and chase type. He could cover, he can do something, but it was, he was kind of like, and to me, almost like a little bit of a tweener where I was like, oh, like I don't know where I feel best about him. He would be like a true strong side linebacker for me. But I know that there were some that did, that did have like a higher grade on him. I just kind of struggled with how to place him. I watched him his first year as a starter and then I watched him. I didn't watch him last year in 2023 but then I watched him again obviously in 2024. I didn't see like huge jumps in his game

from 20th from 22 to 2024. So I was hoping that he'd get a little bit better and he just didn't quite get there. That broad jump, that 130 inch broad jump and the elite sample of linebackers, that's towards the very top. It's third tied with Vic Beasley just behind Bobby Wagner and Jamie Collins. So you see the explosiveness there. That speaks to the conversation. we had about, you know, Harry Roseman on day three looking for carryable traits as potential starters. But to your point,

you know, a three-year starter who didn't make super leaps, maybe that's a little bit of a disappointment, but that's why he's on the board in the fifth round. Correct, yeah. Look, at the end of the day... Where do you think he plays in this defense stylistically? I think he, to me, like, I viewed him as an Orrin Berks.

Like, so I view him as a pure stack linebacker. I do think that that's the best role. You know, Berks, when he was coming out of Vanderbilt, he had some of those same traits. He could match up in space, but I just feel like he's more of your running chase, like off the ball type of guy. Yeah, I think he's more a cut from that mold. There you go. Now it is, according to the beast, pronounced smile.

Yes. So there you go. That's why I made the smile, Jim. People in the chat just wanting to clarify, smile Mondin. It's like you got a Mondo smile. You're smiling big. Auto correct. Corrected me to small Mondin.

I apologize to smile. if you're watching right now, which I imagine you're celebrating with your family. Pretty busy. Yeah. Do you think the Eagles have locked out Kevin Petullo from the draft room? It's funny because

that was one of the questions. Do you think Vic Van Joe has stuffed him into a locker? Yeah, one of the questions in the pre-draft press conference was like about like Kevin Patuole's type of player, right? Yeah. Yeah, Kevin Petulo is just enjoying being OC right now, right? I mean, he's, he's... It's kind of crazy.

It is. That's one of the, the, the Joe. I'm sure he would make. I was just watching all of A.J. Brown's targets from last year and all of Sequin Barclay's explosive rocks. That's exactly right. Yeah, that's the joke they would make. All right.

Two more picks coming up for the Eagles. They're on the board shortly. What's that? Tommy Hill's still on the board. At some point, Cameron Williams, the tackle from Texas, I'd imagine, is going to go. Miles Frazier's still out there, the versatile offensive lineman. I've got to think it's all, but we're almost good to the point where offensive line would make some sense here.

Yeah. Now, I'd be willing to sign up for the Cameron Williams experience. When you were gone, I mentioned Johnny Cornelius as a player who I think might make sense for the Eagles. Yeah. I didn't love them on film. Running backs, again, wide receivers still available. Bring me a Ricky White the third, man. Tori Horton?

I believe Horton went, didn't he? Am I wrong there? I thought. I missed it. I may have missed it. Maybe not. Sorry, we've been, it could just be someone we talked about so many times. Right.

He has not been drafted. Man, not my finest. There's a million guys going. Give yourself some praise. Francisco Maui Gowa, who thought was interesting coming off the board, the linebacker from the U

by way of Washington State. Yeah, one of a handful of linebackers that were at their Shine Bowl where you were there and it was like, yeah, he's going to get drafted. That group at the Shine Bowl at Linebacker was a strong group that they put together this year.

You're in here a lot about his brother coming up right yeah yes he's a guy that's certainly we're going to be talking about in the next couple of years Francis the offensive lineman yes there you go left tackle all right here we go two more picks to go

credit to Fran too man breaking I know Fran Fran friend like we need to break out the Fran chant yeah I mean this is what a star performance over the course of the weekend from the Duff Man yeah I mean again if you missed it last night, the ability of those mice to turn the corner, the explosiveness,

bend the edge, I mean. There's the circles over and over again. That was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. What would you have done if you were here for the mice? How would you have reacted? After the show, pretty pissed off, right? I mean, during the show,

I probably would have been like, you know, trying to keep calm. Pissed in what way? Like, were you going to go out? Or, no, I mean, I shouldn't say pissed off. I'd be like, what's going on here? The working conditions. Yeah.

Yeah, seriously. I mean, especially our outstanding, you know, producers and social media, like, you know, there's mouse droppings over there where Julia works every day. Like, I feel for it. I mean, come on. Dyers. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's a thing.

That's the thing. If there are two mice brazen enough to just be running around in front of us, how many actual mice are here? That's not good. In the thousands. By the way, quick, quick smile, Mondin note here. This is from our friend Dane Bruegler's The Beast. Yep. Okay.

So we talked about his name into pronunciation. Do you know what name was supposed to be? Frown. Frown. No. The name was supposed to be Ismail. Oh. Yeah.

He's named after his father, whose name was supposed to be Ismail. So his father? His father was supposed to be. The Eagles traded out. Yeah. Eagles traded out of 165 with the Chargers. Okay.

How far down on the Chargers? Eagles hate this. I hate this draft. Yeah, really, really, too. The Chargers aren't, they might have traded out in the round. They picked up a Kit Kat. I picked out Mousetraps. Probably a future pick because they don't care about this draft.

The Chargers are the fifth pick in the next round of 181, so it's possible that's what the move was. Do we want them to get in this? Good for the Eagles and Chargers getting this trade call into the league as it put home in the board of 22 before. Do we want them to get in the seventh round or they moved further than that? it looks like. 168? Oh, Mitchel Evans goes off the board,

the Notre Dame tied end to the Carolina Panthers. Perhaps that was the imp or I don't say that was the impetus. Oh, they traded them. Hold on, I'm catching up. Oh, no, were they? Yeah, 181. Okay, yeah, yeah. Okay, so they moved back to the early stages of round six.

Okay, so they now have three in the sixth. Right. So they traded out of 168, I mean? They traded out of 165. I believe they traded out of 165. Oh, yeah. But they're still 168, they still own. Oh, okay.

Yeah, we're still up three picks from now. So they're still owned at 168. Yes. Yeah. No specifics yet. Let's see if the team put something out. Was there a finish to the call me ishmael, call me smile? Sorry about that.

Yeah, it was misprinted in the documentation in 1990. Before his dad, not for him. Yeah, and his parents immigrated to the United States from Ivory Coast for better opportunity. Oh. I found we lived in New York City from World. more than 10 years, followed by a short stint in Boston. The Mondans then put down roots outside of Atlanta shortly before Smile Mondin Jr. was born.

Dane's awesome. Fantastic. I like the way you emphasize Boston. Boston. That's good. It's good stuff. That's the second... So I am...

I'm curious about something. Just kind of speaking out how loud here. What do you think of this? That's all we can do. I wouldn't do this, but I'm just curious what you think. think, okay? Because we're working next to Fran Duffy who's getting like information right away. Okay. And, you know, and so if I put, I'm putting some of that information out there, right? Um, I don't know if everyone has like, is as plugged in as Fran Duffy is here. What if I were to,

to put false information out on like a tweet that I delete two minutes later just to see if someone picks it up and he, right, and puts that out there, right? Would that, I mean, that'd be just ingenuous. Because I know the fish you are trying to catch, I think you should do it. Oh, I want to know who the fish are trying to catch. I wouldn't do it just because, like, you would not do that because you know that that is against journalism. Yeah, but, but like, because.

So you're telling me I should be tweeting this stuff out instead of saying it on the show. Well, no, I mean, you say it first. All the people are trying to tell the people. They're trying to take credit for it. Yeah, well, yeah. So, so, but people aren't like citing it. People are doing it. What's going on here?

Can you send me a text message or something? I don't call people out. I will mention it. No, don't call it out. Why not? Hey, I mean, it's an incredibly dirty behavior. I am, I am not against calling people out publicly or privately. No, don't.

Well, because, look, people might know people who know, who, who, who know. So I don't want to question it, but. Maybe. The exact same people that Fran keeps getting. Yeah, when it happens at a high enough volume, yeah. So, yeah, I've just, this, this has happened for a few days. So I wonder, do you put out stuff just to kind of, see if they're following your scent.

A little like the top 30 subterfuge. You know what you should do. What's that? Is you should present it as news, but then at the bottom of the tweet, put something that makes it clear that it's not and see if it still gets picked up. Okay.

Yeah. But. I mean, outrageous behavior. Hmm. Interesting. So 181, 280, and 209, like we said. There go. It's 209.

What, Boy, Browns? 209. That sounds like seven to me. One sec. Actually, that sounds like late six. That might be a six. Yeah, the seventh round starts a two-seventory. There you go. So, yep, that's a six-round compensatory. And the reason I am following this, I said this on the show two nights ago. If you've watched every hour of every show, I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. Howie has not been a seventh round guy recently.

Right. And I'm pulling up the numbers here early in his tenure. He was all about the seventh. Recently, I don't know if he sees the same, you know, I think he kind of views that as like undrafted players. So he tries to kind of package those move up. I'm sorry, Bo made the point how well how he's picked in the seventh. Like, I mean, relatively speaking, Jordan Milata, Bo Allen.

Joe Allen. Joe Allen. Bryce Brown. Brown. Exactly. So, Howie, in his first four draft classes, he had nine seventh round picks. In the last three draft classes, he's only thinking one player in the seventh round. Like one player at the last three years in the seventh round.

His first four years, nine. Who was the one? Last three years, let me think. Ojama was sixth, right? Sixth, right? Yep. No, Ojama was seventh. The Jemma was seventh? Yep.

Well, there you go. More to the point. Yeah. 249. Good point. What a good pick. Yeah. All right.

Eagles coming up again. 168. The Eagles are selecting Will Bofa. Phil Bofa. Phil Bofa's up. Steelers on the clock at 164. Y.A. Black. The defensive tackle from Iowa going to the Steelers.

Yeah. Zach liked him a little bit. I did. Fun pronunciation. Y. One of my. Oh, and that's a great. Another, that's their second.

Iowa guy, the black and white, the black and yellow to the black and yellow, the easy, the easy prognostication, Iowa to Pittsburgh, fantastic job by them. One of my favorite nuggets from a player talking about a teammate this spring. Okay. Iowa linebacker Jay Higgins, we were talking about like the green dot because the green dot was new for the college football this year. Okay. So defensive players, you have one guy, wear the helmet.

And so Jay Higgins was the player that did that for Iowa. And I was asking about his teammates. And we're talking. I said, tell me about Y.A. Black. And he talks about on the field, big, strong, you know, nose tackle. And he's like, but honestly, if anybody else was going to wear the green dot defensively, the guy who knows the scheme the best is YA. Black. And I was like, wow.

I was like, that's cool. Like, that's a cool anecdote from Jay Higgins. And you like the aesthetics of a guy of a defensive tackle with no gloves, right? Like the Reggie White, sort of like, I'm just more of a man than you. Yeah. I was just a little underwhelmed from the. film, to be honest. It was flash moments.

I just thought the hole wasn't greater than some of the parts kind of situation there. There we go. All right. Who do you want? Let us know in the chat. 168 coming up. I see some love for Will Howard? Will they take an offensive player?

That is the question. Never again. Can the Eagles? Can the Eagles build a team forever? Oh, your boy, Arronday Gadsden Jr. Off the board, Zach, the tight end, who will catch everything within a three-yard radius. Harbault knows what he's doing with tight ends. Harball, Harbaugh's a good tight end guy.

But what's interesting, too, well, I don't think the Chargers don't trade for Mark Andrews because of Arrondike Gadsden Jr. Like at this point, it doesn't affect that. But it is interesting because the Chargers have been thought of as a Mark Andrews' potential destination. All right. Eagle's selection is in. We've got Boston College Center, Drew Kendall.

Oh, interesting. Drew Kendall, the son of Pete Kendall. is the pick here for the Eagles. A shot across Dylan McMahon's bow once again. This is a center-only player from Boston College, who was your, let's find out, Fran, where he was on your list. I'll take it through my journey of studying. Well, you know what?

I'll give you the specifics, and then you give us the breakdown. The Eagles are drafting their first offensive player of the weekend, Boston College, offensive lineman, Drew Kendall. 23 years old, 6-4-308, a three-year starter at Boston College at Center the entire time, ran a 505-40, 178 split. He's got short arms, 31 and 3 quarters, but that's okay. He's playing center. But to the Dylan McMahon experience, this is probably a one-position player.

Is that fair? Yes. His only really played center in college, my guess is that he could probably be, Pretty limited to that moving forward in the NFL, under 32-inch arms. And again, it's been a four-year starter at center, but his only played center. Now, Redshirt Jr., so wasn't sure that he was going to come out or not. And I studied Boston College's offensive lineman late in the fall, and I focused on two of the other draftable players in that group. And I didn't do Kendall.

Well, those guys went to the Shrine Bowl. I didn't love either player. And Kendall was a late addition because I was like, oh, he's actually going to, he's going to come out. He's not going to stay in school. So I didn't get to Kendall. So I get down to the Shrine Bowl. and I see him go through warmups. I'm like, okay, this kid, he looks the part,

and you see him go through drills. I'm like, he moves pretty well, and he held up well in one-on-ones. I was like, I'm excited to watch this kid. And he's a good player. He's strong. I wouldn't say he's like a plus-plus athlete. I like his anchor.

I thought he was really smart. He handled post-snap movement really, really well. His eyes are really reactive. Always seemed to be in the right place. He's tough, looking for work. I had a higher grade on him than I did on the Michigan kid they took last year. Trevor Keegan.

Yeah, I had a higher grade on him than I had on Keegan. I thought he was very technically sound. But I do view him as more of a backup center. I believe it was a... Similar to McMahon last year. Yeah, I think McMahon was just that he was like, he was the better athlete, his kid's the better player. Sure.

That's kind of how I would group it that way. Here's my final summary on him. Three-year starter at Senator, an extremely run-heavy offense that used both zone and gap schemes with pro verbiage. He's a sought-off prospect with solid athleticism. He gets by with good hand-use. and an understanding of angles, leverage and timing. He lacks power.

He lacks explosiveness. He lacks range at the position. But I like his anchor well enough. He can hold up versus NFL power inside. And he might be able to get you out of a game in a pinch, but I don't see a long-term starter. Backup center only for a zone-blocking team. He has the makeup to potentially rise to starting quality.

But the lack of top-end tools tell me that it's a safer bet that he's more of a backup long-term. Now, when I'm watching this, I have not talked to him. I don't know what the mental side of it is. He's the son of a former first-round pick. Pete Kendall played in the NFL for a long time. It was with Seattle, the Jets, eventually Washington. I think when you're looking at him,

there's a good chance that it was like, he blew people away in the interview process. And that's what kind of sold him to on the Eagles here to select him in this range. Offense exists, Sack. Offense exists. And a question I had going into the draft was, are they going to look for a backup center, right?

And Drew Kendall fits that. Like that's that's what he is. Much more center than like there's some guys who are center guard versatile. He's, you're looking at a backup center here. That's what jumps out. Offense does exist. Yeah, I can see Stoutland liking a Drew Kendall. But yeah, this is still not a skill guy.

Are you surprised that they wanted a true backup center given what we saw from Landon Dickerson being able to step in for Cam Drogens? Well, you need to? Yes and no I don't want to say I'm surprised by it But I Because I know how much they value Versatility But I think ideal you don't want

Lenin Dickerson moving over You would rather someone Who can kind of step in And be that type of center Now, Drew Kendall is bigger Than what Dylan McMahon was last year So even so I'll defer to Fran

But perhaps if he is A game day backup And something were to happen To your right guard He can play At right guard in a pinch that wasn't happening with Dylan McMahon. One aspect of this that's very interesting.

So our friend Josh Nars, shout out to him into Underdog. Since 2010, this is a big thing that Josh is hard on. He loves the short shuttle. He loves the short shuttle for Offensive Limanman. This is part of why I like Dylan McMahon. Yeah, well, so Drew Kendall just missed his mark. So the mark is, I'll give you the full numbers. This is from Josh.

Since 2010, just 36 offensive lineman recorded a 447 short shuttle or better at the Combine. 31 of those 36 linemen were drafted. And of those 31, they went to start 80% of their total NFL game. So it was basically like guarantee this guy, if he gets drafted, with that time, he's going to become a starter. The number, again, was 447. Kendall just missed it at 451. He had one of the best short shuttle times of any offensive lineman in this class.

None of the offensive linemen in this class hit that number, but he was one of the better ones. And so speaks to his lateral agility and some of the initial quickness there for Drew Kendall. Drew Kendall. Finally. An offensive player. I like that one. That's a fun pick.

Yeah, I'm fine with that. Top to bed against Stout. Right, exactly. There you go. All right. Zah Frazier going off the board, the cornerback as the Eagles now await three picks in the sixth round after having moved down from one of their fifth round picks. We're looking at numbers. Let's pull it up here quickly.

They have 181. 191, 207 and 209. So they have four six-round picks to come. And we are at 169. So we're about 12 picks away from the next Eagles pick, the next to four-six. There's not enough roster spots for all these guys, Zach. Well, I mean.

I like the national media voice. Yeah, that's just a combination of. Sure. Yes. A little Kirk Cousin. Should be fun. All right. Drew Kendall.

If you're just joining us, you have no idea what's been going on all weekend. Here's what happened. In the first round, the Eagles moved up one spot after trying to trade up to 22 and getting rebuffed by the league. Instead, they get Jahad Campbell, the Alabama linebacker slash edge, still to be decided what position he plays. In the second round, they stood at 64 and took Texas safety Andrew McCuba, A third safety off the board.

He was sort of consensus more of the 5,6, 7 safety in the class, but Vic Fangio likes the player, Howard Roseman, takes him. They traded out of the third round after trading down in the third round, and instead they only take one fourth round pick. Nebraska defensive tackle, Ty Robinson, a little bit older, but very explosive testing numbers, a player who Fran thinks profiles as sort of a poor man's Milton Williams in terms of playing on first and second down,

maybe not quite as much third down. Yeah. I would say so. Very poor man's. In the fifth round, three picks for the Eagles. Mack McWilliams, the UCF cornerback. Think of it as Avanti Maddox vibes for him. Linebacker Smile Mondin Jr. from Georgia.

The Eagles could not exit draft weekend without a Georgia defensive player. And then finally, the sixth pick of their draft, they finally addressed the offense. Drew Kendall, the Boston College cornerback. who also describes how a, what's the show? Last of Us. The Roy's. The Roy.

Succession. How a succession fan spends their drawing time. Drew Kendall. That's your Kendall Association? That's the best I could do. What if he wins the offensive rookie of the year? He would be the Kendall Roy. That's right.

So you think that over Kendall Gill over... Yes, I will admit that Kendall Gill is not the first Kendall who comes to Michael. How about Jason Kendall? Okay. Yeah, catcher, pirates. Kendall Wright, the former first round pick out of Bellwhip for the Titans. Speaking of Josh Norris, he loved Kendall Wright. Did he?

How did that one go, unfortunately? Sorry, Josh. Shot fired. I like Josh. You pop Josh up, Zach Knox. No, I'm a big Josh Norris fan. and very good to the show. Josh is awesome.

Kendall. Kendall Lamb. And Underdog. This is the second Kendall the Eagles have. It's true. They got a Kendall and a Kendall. True Kendall. Interesting.

That's true. Okay. Everyone loves Miles Frazier. The chat loves Miles Frazier. Oh, he's from right over there. Just past Brie. By the way, from a competitive perspective, I want to let the people I know who are helping me out with picks say they got to

accelerate these. France people are helping out So I don't know The people who are helping me out Are watching But if you're watching My call it

Please I'm trying to beat Fran here Okay I don't want to You know Fran will be the NFL draft The NFL draft man here And the Eagles insider all at once So I need to accelerate this

So personal challenge It's okay Nobody's We're happy We're here I'm joking I'm joking Also no one inside

The Eagles building No one inside the Eagles building. You don't have to give anything away. It could be Howie. It's allowed to, let's keep the mystery alive. It could be Jeffrey. Could be.

Watching from abroad. It's not in the building. Yeah. That's true. I mean, it's definitely not Kevin Butulo. So this is just, you know, now our friend Brandon Lee Gouton just tweeted this out because we don't have the audio on. Ian Rappaport said, The Eagles would like to keep Dallas got her.

And so it's interesting because maybe their narrative, or as, you know, Bo's called this all along, maybe they had a pre-draft approach publicly to make it seem a certain way. And now maybe, you know, their behind the scenes push will change or their talking points will change, right? The draft came. We saw how the draft went. We saw, you know, how the other rosters are. And let's try to work this out now. And especially now coming out without any additions to the offense until pick 168,

it would be very hard for me to believe that a team with Super Bowl aspirations is going to take pennies on the dollar for their third option in the passing game, who is the entire reason that Saquan Barkley is a good running back, according to DeNez. They're going to just trade that guy away because they don't love the value of the contract yet. He's not even guaranteed beyond this year. And they're going to do that without a try. true replacement, like they're going to take that, even if it's Michael Mayer, they're going to take that downgrade.

Yeah, it's a fair point. Without having added anything else to the offense, it just doesn't make sense to me. Who will call who's bluff? Well, what's the bluff, though? Like, if Dallas Goddard wants a new contract and the Eagles just say no, he's going to hold out? It's not even a new contract. The Eagles don't want him on the books for what he's due this year, right? I think the Eagles, I could be around.

I think the Eagles would sooner cut him than have him play. I think that's what they say. Okay, fair. I think that's their bargaining position. Fair. I don't believe, given the structure of the team right now, that they would be willing to just cut him. I think, I agree.

Yeah. Okay, that's fair. So you think, you know, Dallas would say, if you don't want me, cut me, I'll go sign somewhere else, right? And the Eagles would say, all right, fine, we'll pay your 14 million, you know, come back. This year, your free agent after the year. Could be that.

Yeah, I don't know. It could, you know, the resolution we have sort of expected, would we, he comes back on less money, but 2026 is guaranteed, potentially, or partially guaranteed, something like that. But yeah, I just, I mean, this is, this is not a, this is not an up-and-coming team. This is a team defending a Super Bowl title. Exactly.

They haven't added anything else to offense. They're going to, they're going to just take away their number three weapon. And like, look, I understand it's easier to spend someone else's money, right? But, you know, you look at it from a cash perspective. Like, is the delta in cash between what they be willing to pay them and the $14 million? Or probably, I shouldn't say willing, what they're interested in paying them and the $14 million, enough at this point for the downgrade, seeing how the draft went, seeing how, you know, you don't have, like you said,

there's no tight end comparable to Dallas God are walking through that door right now. And think about what happened at safety. they trade away C.J. Garner Johnson because of the cash, and then they have to use a second round pick to replace him. Yeah. Right? They've done no such thing at tight end. And maybe they thought,

you know, Howard Fanon Jr. is there in the third round. You take him and it gives you a little more either leverage or confidence, but the fact that... I think if they had drafted Harold Fanon Jr., then, yes, this would be a much different country. Exactly. But now you're in a spot where you haven't taken a tight end. I mean, are you really going to go into the season? I get they have contingencies.

When we sat here this time a year ago, we could have been talking about, you know, how they didn't draft a tackle, and then they add Mackay Beckton. But even when we look at the list of free agents, there's no one near. There's no one, you know, Mackay Beckton was their swing tackle when they signed him, right?

There's no one close to having the impact on the offense available via free agency or even trade of Dallas Goddard. Yeah. That is for the chat as Miles Frazier goes off the board to the Detroit Alliance. All right. Bree, will you send us a Zoom link? We're going to have Les Bowen join us. I got it.

I'm going to send that over to Les now. It's in and send that to less. Beautiful. And that will be if it works, there's a, I don't want to say a low, but a potential lull between Picks 101 and 207. Well, if he's available now, we could get him on. Before 181, right? Well, I guess it depends. Depends when he wants to come on.

Yeah. The Aggie's jerseys. There you go. What do you think, chat? Dallas Goddard here to stay? Who knows? Let's take a quick break. Settle ourselves, steal ourselves for four picks in the sixth round.

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Three and a half hours in. We're already in the sixth round. The whole draft is flown by. Be honest. Well, it goes by quickly when you're with your friends, right? We're having fun. How about that? Just hanging out.

You know, when I was out in Colorado and I'm on that panel with Shield. Capadia and Lindsay Jones. I said the advice you'll give me when I started podcasting is people want to have to, is people want to want to hang out with you, right? Like you can have... Sorry. Jackson Haas has been drafted. Go ahead, Zach.

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The numbers have been awesome. Yeah. Comments, super chats. Let's raise the super chats. Yeah. It's been a quiet day for super chats here. Come on. We've got a couple good ones, though.

I saw it coming through. So we'll get to those. Yeah, why don't we circle back to the super chats? What do we got from the people? Sean, well, no, no, it's okay. It's okay. Ryan says, thank you guys. Please give a shout out to my brother, Kevin,

that showed me birds with friends back in 2007. 17. Love you guys. A diehard from L.A. Thank you. Shout out to Kevin. Kevin and Ryan. Who's your favorite, Kevin? Costa? My brother-in-law, Kevin. Yeah.

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You love Kevin White. Yeah, Kevin White was a good one. You loved Kevin White. They're local back. Someone local back. E. Roses says, is there some amount of of under no circumstances, are we trading with Howie Roseman

among general managers in the league? Or are they just tired of the media drooling over every move? I don't think that that last part could be motivation to not do a deal. No. Personally. And listen, I mean, Howie has lost plenty of trades too. Right. But I would imagine there is some trepidation from some people

if they have been pantsed before. Sure. I mean, well, so Todd McShay, I think the impetus of this is Todd McShay said that he's heard from a GM who joked that they're going to block the 215 number in the building I mean I I don't think that's the case as much for

like these draft day trades these draft day trades outside of that Atlanta one are pretty much like there's a formula involved in them exactly you see it more with whether it's acquiring players who are available via trade who maybe people don't know about

or down the road picks is something that that the Eagles do. I think that's well said. Tyler says, what's up, fellas? What up? TN?

How are we feeling about Jared Ivy out of Ole Miss? Big, sturdy, edge rusher, has the ability to kick inside. Some people really liked him and thought that he'd be like a day two type of player.

I was a little bit lower. I thought he would be more this range of the draft. I liked him, but I didn't love him. Talked with one of his coaches that recruited him to Georgia Tech. He started his,

he started his, He started his career at Georgia Tech. What a flex this weekend is. And then transferred to Ole Miss. And spoke very highly of Ivy. This is, again, a big body long, good run defender. I've spoken with a couple of his teammates as well at Ole Miss. And they all rave about him and said, like, this guy's a pro's pro.

He, like, does his own meal planning and, like, really takes care of his body. And just like, it just goes about his business the right way. I like Jared Ivy. But I didn't love my, this part of the draft. I think that's a fine swing. Okay. as Denzel Burke, the Ohio State corner, goes off the board to J.G and the Arizona Cardinals. Other Ohio State guy.

Jack Royer, thoughts on none of our picks having a top 30 visit. Do you think this was intentional, Zach? Do you think they were trying to zag after having been predictable on this front? I've seen on Eagles Twitter people speculating that maybe they were using it this year to blow off to get people off their scent. I don't think that's the case. First off, they haven't had a volume of picks, and I think it's been more circumstantial thus far. You know, in the, if you... Also, we think they were going to draft Charles Grant.

Sure, exactly. Like, yeah. Yeah. You don't know. And so, like, in the... I mean, they took one guy on day two, right? And if you just look at the top 30 visits, how many of those guys were second, third round range, right?

Yeah. So that, that factors into it. So, no. And the thing you mentioned about a guy like Jahad Campbell, if you are a prospect who considers yourself a top 15, top 20 pick, you don't want to go to the Eagles because you don't want to put it out there that you could go in that range.

Exactly. A, you don't want that, you don't want people to think, like the league to think you're going in that range. And B, you're just prioritizing your time or your agent is. And it's like, you know, I'm not,

you know, he can be any one of these other 15 teams. You know, why is he? I'm not going to have him, I'm not having to go there for a day. Polar Jam. ZB. Keep your eye out for mice. Yeah, I'm load of the ground.

so I can probably see it a little easier. There's a great CB one coming up here. Shea, ZB, do you take anything to be so regular? Poop emoji. Oh, excuse. Shea, I mean, the man talked to you about Bean Girl out in Denver. Why you got to give him? No, I just got to tell you, like, I have an aversion to public bathrooms.

So that's what I'm very disciplined about not going in public bathrooms. And I would consider even a workplace of public bathroom. So that's, that's kind of, it's probably more information that I hear this year. So this is, this begs the question. Like, how do you, what do you do? Oh, this is the show, what do you do to make sure that you're always in the same schedule when you're home? Uh, I wouldn't even say the same schedule. I, it's just, you know, you, you hold the, you hold until you get home.

Yeah. Yeah. When's the last time that you were forced into having to play an away game? Uh, what about the other, when you were. stuck in the Denver airport, right? No. No? Weren't you there for like 18 hours?

Yeah, but definitely not. No. What? Yeah. No. How long's the flight? How long is the flight? Yeah, so it's 18 hours plus the flight.

Yeah. You were in the Denver airport for 18 hours? Oh, yeah. We didn't cover this? I didn't hear this. Oh, God. I thought you got on the earlier. But I thought you were getting on an earlier flight, but then it was canceled.

Yeah, but push back, push back, push back to the following morning. I slept on a bench. Oh, you. I went from terminal to terminal to try to find a comfortable place to sleep. I'm sorry. Yeah, I can give you the whole rundown. It was a fun. I mean, it's funny now after the fact.

No, there was a time when probably like a few months ago where it was like a hotel lobby. Okay. You know, the best place. That's the best place to go. Yeah, yeah. I was in a different city and I walk in like you stay there even though you don't. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Yeah. But no, otherwise. Yeah, that's it. Wow. It's a name says percent chance of dealing Dallas Goddard, given how the first five rounds have gone. We did have a similar discussion to this. I think it has gone way down.

Yeah. I'm saying percentage, I'm putting turkeys on a deal, 25. Maybe less. Yeah, I'm leaning more and more toward the conversation we just had that the Eagles, I don't want to say doing about face, but maybe. I'm going to give both credit.

He has good senses about this stuff. Maybe everything they were doing before the draft was posturing was that to create the impression that he wasn't coming back and that the draft was this pressure point. If the draft didn't fall a certain way, it's like, all right, fine, you're back. Now, it is also, you know, if they were going to trade him,

it was probably going to be post-June 1st for cap purposes. But I just, given the state of the roster, I would be surprised at this point. Sean Wolford. friend what's your opinion on Luke Lechay love an Iowa tight end and a member of 98 degrees he was a solid player

across the board good route runner average blocker was open for a little bit more there from him personally not going to blow you away as an athlete but again the route running I thought was pretty good solid pants catcher just in in this tight end class

just kind of slipped through the cracks I do think he's got a shot to go here in the next two rounds but I saw him as a late round possibility here in this draft. Honestly, had one of the best individual reps of any player at an All-Star game. He ran a filthy stick nod, like double move route against Shiloh Sanders, the Shrine Bowl.

Just, like, dusted Shiloh Sanders in the middle of the field. The tight end from Alabama, Robbie ousts. Yes. With a nice mustache that is good, but not as good as Andrews, goes to the Seattle Seahawks. And then Tyler Barron, who did take a pre-draft visit to the Eagles, the edge rusher from Miami goes to the Jets. Steve Vaughn with the Super Chat says,

do you think the Eagles keep trading back because the guy they want is getting drafted ahead of them? Well, I think that was the case last night, speculating with the Charles Grant situation. Today, we won't know with Shador Sanders. My friend Jeff McClain said he didn't, he was under the impression the Eagles weren't going, Sanders, at that spot.

That could have just been Andrew Barry trying to protect himself. because Andrew probably knows the value thinking that the Eagles have. But, yeah, often that's the case. Often, as I said, you have a cluster of players or you have a group of players, and if you're not happy with that group, then you trade back. Again, as the sixth round kicks off now, the Eagles prepared to go at 181, 191, 203.

No, I got that wrong. and 209. So four picks in the sixth round. We'll see if they make them all. That would be a surprise. But we know what we do have to do. Now that the fifth round is officially over. The bit parks round to recap of the fifth round.

Three picks made in the fifth round for the Eagles. Finally a player on offense. Drew Kendall from Boston College, Georgia linebacker, Smile Mondin. And, of course, we all remember the first pick of the round. Mack and McWilliams, the UCF cornerback. Who is your favorite of those three picks, Mick Williams. I really enjoyed studying him on film, hyper-competitive corner, good senior bowl, undersized, solid athlete.

Honestly, it's very similar to the Yvante-Matic's profile. Yeah, I really enjoyed studying him on film. I thought that he'd be more of like a fourth corner than an ideal third corner, but if you told me he's going to turn into a starting slot, I would not be surprised. Zach, how do you feel about those three? Do you have a favorite? Would you go Mac as well? Honestly, I would probably go Monda. I've watched Mondin the most there. I haven't watched Mac, McWilliam, so I'm trusting France judgment there. And then Drew Kendall, I have seen Drew Kendall play,

but I would be being disingenuous if I said I had a strong evaluation of Drew Kendall. And of course, the big news of the fifth round, Shador Sanders finally gets drafted as the Cleveland Browns trade one spot ahead of the Eagles, ahead of the Eagles to take him and the indications being that the Eagles were going to draft Shador Sanders if the Browns had not.

Would have been interesting. And I think it's fair to say that the fifth round is kind of a nice demarcation in, we're willing to just cut this guy. I mean, it's what they did with Clayton Thorson, right? And so maybe that was the impetus for the, okay, now we'll finally do it. Sure.

Good point. Yeah. Okay, there you go. That's the round recap of the fifth round, courtesy of Bet Parks. Let's go back to the Superchats. Got a few left to get to. Andrew Meng says, has Howie broken the all-time trade record yet?

Oh, no. Career record, maybe. No, I mean, Howie's, there have been, like last year, they just kept trading back, trading back, trading back, trading back, trading back, trading back, trading back, right? So I would have to look at the numbers, but I doubt that they're there yet. They did, well, they did three in the first three days.

I'm sorry, first two days, rather. Correct. And then they've done, what? two today? Well, I wonder if Andrew is saying, like, the lifetime career trends. Oh, I thought he meant just in terms of one draft. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, I perceived it that way.

That would be interesting. I bet he maybe he has. Probably, probably. Google hasn't turned up anything fast for me there, so I got nothing. Roheet, with the Super Chance says, do you think they are trading down to save money? No. No. This is one where even I was saying.

Very marginal, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the reality, too, is, yeah, these are, it actually benefits you to take, if you're trying to save money, take more players and rookie deals, right? But they are accumulating picks. Sure.

But that's true. belligerent octopus. Great name. Great name. B.O. Why doesn't Andrew Barry get any criticism? Deshawn Watson contract, bad drafts, traded up for Dylan Gabriel, and is coming off a three and 14 season.

Yeah. I'll let you go first. Ownership. Like, he doesn't get criticized for Deshawn Watson because everybody believes and understands that that was a Jimmy Haslam decision. It hasn't basically owned it at the owner's meetings this spring. So, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

But I think it's fair. The fair point is like he hasn't, he doesn't have a great draft tracker track record. No, but I think. I, I would disagree with that. It's been okay,

but the problem is they don't have a great draft record. They've been so hamaged. They don't have a lot of picks. But I mean, I look at, at some, you know, Greg Newsome and,

you know, J.O.K. Yeah. Those were, you know, that's the only time you had first and seconds, like, consecutively, you know, Anthony Schwartz didn't work out. You would be a believer in, because we're talking like process of results.

I think you would be a big believer in their process. Like they draft heavy dose of underclassmen from big schools, athletic traits. Like, you know, they typically, they stay in that lane. You know, obviously they haven't hit on every pick, but yeah, I would say. No, the Dylan Gabriel thing, you know, we can. Did you see there's a, I think Warren Sharp tweeted out that they went into the Cleveland draft room after the Shador pick? Yeah.

And it looked like, honestly, it looked like Andrew Berry and their coaching staff and the Scottish staff. It was like a hostage video. Like they didn't look happy. That was a habit. It was just a bad, yeah. It didn't look so.

Yeah. I mean, and I know, like, Haslam was interested in Shador before the draft coming in. Like, that was the whole idea was that they were going to take Travis Hunter at two and then Shador Sanders later in the round. And obviously that changed when they didn't get Travis Hunter. So, yeah, I would be my guess. But a bit of a,

says, Bo, Franon, Pitbull, great draft coverage guy. I saw that one earlier. That was outstanding. That's a good one. Okay. I don't know about the jacket. Yeah, but let me Google Pitbull.

Mr. Worldwide. I don't know if you're going to see a jacket right away if you just Google Pitbull. Tyler Nakama, Nakama, says, can I get a temperature check on how you feel about our draft so far? Yeah, underwhelmed, I would say. You know, your impact players typically come the first two days, and they took two guys, the first two players, the first two days.

And I thought their second round pick, I liked a player, but I didn't love the value of it. And then they don't draft again in the third round. I mean, Campbell, I really like Campbell, and I thought they started off well. But, yeah, I mean, look, compared to last year, and again, we'll see how this plays out. But last year, I thought they came out of the first, you know, two days with, you know, two, clear first round picks. And then I thought they navigated day three really well. And I don't feel that way right now about this draft.

Again, we said it in real time last year, that it felt like the best job, how he had ever done moving around the board. It does not feel that way this year. Coming out of the draft with probably two players they're expecting to realistically contribute this year. Maybe Ty Robinson becomes the fourth defensive tackle. But Makuba,

you put your trust in Vic Fangio that this is the guy he wanted at safety, but value-wise, it strays from the consensus board a little bit. Jihad Campbell should be awesome. And if he's healthy, which there are like a lot of teams in the league had him off their board. Yeah. But if he's healthy, fits everything that they want personality-wise and can do a lot of things.

Maybe that's a huge impact. Part of it is the strength of the draft. Part of it is having to pick 32nd in every round. Part of it is just bad luck. but yeah, I think it's okay to be underwhelmed with the process and the results so far doesn't mean it won't turn out well but in real time evaluating it

I think it's okay to be a little bit underwhelmed. Absolutely. Yeah, I think that at the end of the day I like the Jihad Campbell pick I think that they got good value there. Obviously there's the injury the durability questions. Makuba probably a little bit richer than I would have liked.

I wasn't as high on him as some of the other safeties on the board but again like you're giving essentially Vic Fangio and that staff, Cart Blanche said, like, who's the safety you like from this cluster? They clearly targeted McCuba, so I guess you just trust the evaluation from that standpoint. Yeah, I mean, it's...

Realistically, if Jahad Campbell is healthy and awesome, then it doesn't matter. Yes. You know what? Everybody else, as long as, as long as like three guys make the roster and are part of some depth and you got one impact player, that's totally fine. Yep. And so I think I think what the truth about this is is that a lot,

this draft is probably going to hinge on Jihad Campbell's future. You're absolutely right. Absolutely right. Yeah. I mean, you think about the 2020 draft, which was a terrible draft, but they happened to draft the Super Bowl MVP quarterback in the second round. Exactly.

And it changes the franchise. Right. You're right. S. Blunt. Thoughts on Xavier Restrepo ahead of Anaya Smith. You like a Restrepo. I mean, the 40 is tough. That's, I mean,

Really, really tough. Because he ran 4-8-5 at the pro day for a small, like a shorter squatty or wide receiver. That's, that's, honestly, that's an undrafted number where, like, if you thought that was possible, like, he probably shouldn't have run. But I like the film. He looks like you're prototypical, like, undersized possession slot receiver. So I have a quick question for you. Okay. And this is for both of you.

Eagles close to being on the clock here. Go ahead. So I'm going to give you two trades that the Eagles made that affected this, this, this, this, this weekend. Seeing how those trades materialized, seeing how the draft materialized, which do you think they would want to do these? Do you think they're happy with the result of the trade?

Okay. Two years ago, the Eagles traded a 2025 fourth round pick and then a swap of seventh to get the Andre Swift. So that was your fourth rounder this year. Mm-hmm. Do you think they're happy with how that trade turned out?

And then I'll get, and then I'll just give you the second one too. I think they probably are happy with how that turned out. I think so. And then the second. second one, the Eagles traded a third round pick and two-seventh-round picks to the commanders for Jahan Dotson and the fifth round pick. I think they are unhappy with how that pick, how that trade turned out.

But he helped him win a Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, probably we're hoping for more. Yeah. He's one of the least productive receivers in the league last year on a per route basis. And, you know, he's got one year left. Now, part of it was, like, that was a surplus value thing. Exactly.

to have a top three receiver on a rookie contract for two years is valuable. But I would imagine they were expecting more from that. But those are good questions. I forgot the swift trade was this year. Yeah, yeah. And I think that turned out totally fine. Yeah, absolutely. It was a starting running back.

Pro Bowl running back. They didn't love him, but yeah, that worked out well. Shea says he's sorry for the poop questions, Zach, but he does have your back if you're ever stranded again in Dallas. In Denver. Amazing airport. Oh, really? I don't like that. Well, that's why I feel like that's a notoriously bad airport, right?

Like the check-in or the security is bad? And it's like very far from the city. Well, no, all that's true. I'm saying if you're just going to be stuck in an airport. If you're stranded. If you're stranded in an airport. Yeah, because it's a huge airport. Okay.

But I'll give you the quick story. I know the Eagles are coming up. So please interject and I'll interject if I get the text, but you're probably going to get it first. But so. So the plane gets pushed back from 6 to 8, 8 to 10, you know, 10 to 1 a.m. Then 1 a.m. to 7. 30 the next morning. It's like, God. So they offer you a hotel voucher to 21 miles away.

And so you're not going to go 21 miles away. Oh, man. Okay. Quarterback, Kyle McCord is a Philadelphia Eagle. Wow. We got to get Cuzz on. We got to get Cuzz on. Wow.

Kyle McCord. Zach Berman. the Syracuse man, the Eagles add to the quarterback room, a shot across Dorian Thompson's bow. But listen, a sixth round pick in the past, turned out to Tanner McKee, a starting caliber quarterback, Kyle McCord, the Ohio State transfer who stuck with it and had an impressive season with Syracuse,

sell us on your boy, Zach. Yeah, if you watch Kyle McCord this year, led the country in passing, was throwing the ball all over the yard, was, you know, if you watched Ohio, if you watched about Ohio State the year before, you're like, he's playing with Marvin Harrison, Jr. He's playing with these top guys.

And we all saw Hard Knocks where they were interviewing Marvin Harrison Jr. And he wasn't throwing his quarterback under the bus, but there were these wayward throws, right? He goes to Syracuse. He's not playing with top receivers. And his numbers are terrific. You read different stories about him. He kind of reinvented himself. He found his confidence, working with, you know, whether it's Jeff Nixon, their OC, Cappanelli,

the quarterback's coach who just went to the Jags really kind of, you know, fix himself up. And I think, you know, now, a friend and I can disagree with him, but I think he is, he has juice in terms of the way he throws the ball. He's like, you know, he's known for like his leadership ability, but, you know, processes things quickly. I was watching the, you know, the recruiting QB camp only gives you a glimpse of it, but you see, like, the processing ability there. You know, he doesn't have like the, a Josh Allen arm,

but I think he can throw the deep ball. He saw that was a big part of the Syracuse offense was the vertical part of it. So if you're talking about this point in the draft, yeah, I like Will Howard's mobility, but no issue with Kyle McGord. 61 touchdowns to 20 interceptions over the course of his college career, much better in the last year, 34 and 12.

bringing a little bit less athletically than some of the other similar players didn't test athletically in the pre-draft process but what are the upsides of Kyle McCord? I like his touch. I like the ability to be able to navigate the pocket. I think

that when you watch him throw, like watching him warm up at the Shrine Bowl. I remember getting down there first practice and just getting up close to him and just watching him throw. You see like yeah, like this guy looks the part absolutely. You can understand why he had that pedigree coming out of high school. The film wasn't perfect.

obviously, right? This is a guy that had some clunkers in terms of multi-interception games, but obviously it was extremely productive this season throwing for that offense, know some people on that coaching staff. Obviously, you know, this is a guy that is well familiar with the Eagles and it has had a nice run as a starting quarterback. I like the fact that he had, he faced that adversity to Ohio State, transfers, and then finds all that success at Syracuse. I did view him in that same cluster as a bunch of these other quarterbacks that have gone. Like, honestly, like, to me, personally, I don't think there's a huge leap between Jackson Dart and Kyle McCourt.

Wow. Me personally, like, I don't think there's a huge leap there. Now, I would not have taken Jackson Dart where I took him. But I think that to me, to see Jackson Dart go round one and to see Kyle McCord go round five, I much rather would take Kyle McCord at this spot than where the Giants got Jackson Dart. Where's he from, Zach? South Jersey. South Jersey, Philadelphia area.

He's from right over there, went to high school. this way, this way and this way. He brought up DeAndre Swift. We got another St. Joe's prep guy. Yes. Yeah. There's, you know, Alamedi Zichaius was a St. Joe's prep guy.

Jeremiah Trotter Jr. was his high school. Yeah, this is the real breeding ground. Throw Georgia away in St. Joe's prep. Jeremiah Trotter Jr. was his high school teammate. You know, he, he, so Kyle McCord was a big time recruit, huge recruit. He was Marvin Harrison Jr.'s high school teammate. They were, I don't want to say a package deal,

but they go to Ohio State together. McCord replaces C.J. Stroud at Ohio State. I didn't think he was bad at Ohio State, but he was kind of viewed as the scapegoat. I agree with that. Michigan beats, you know, Michigan wins the national, Michigan beats Ohio State.

They win the national championship, and the view was they needed to blame somebody. Who did they blame? They blamed the quarterback Kyle McCord. They replaced now, they won the national championship this year. But if you watch Will Howard. But you respect the pick yourself up off the mat of that. And that's exactly.

what happened, right? And then Fran Brown, a local guy from over there in South Jersey, first year of Syracuse coach, he goes to Columbus, Ohio, sits down with Kyle McCord and Kyle McCord's apartment there, sells Kyle McCord on Syracuse and I think a pretty good NIL deal too to be the starting quarterback there. Kyle McCord goes there and yet, to your point, rebuilds himself, was huge for that program this year. And like, you know, going into the year, You're probably not talking about Kyle McCord at this round in the draft. And he became a draftable player based on the way he played. There were some people that were really big fans.

Exactly. Around the league, you know, in the draft space, there were people that were really big fans of Kyle McCord. And I do understand it. I always thought like this was the area of the draft where I feel like he was best served to go. And he goes to a great spot. I think this is a great spot for him to go.

You learn behind Jalen Hertz and Tanner McKee. I think this is a great spot for him to land. Now, I do think it's a fair question to ask, which is being asked in the chat. If you were willing to draft a quarterback, why not just draft Shador earlier? That's fair. I like Shador Sanders more than Common Court. And they had a number of picks to do so. It's a totally fair question.

And I don't have a good answer for you other than perhaps, well, there's a few things here. The Eagles might not have done a lot of work on Shador Sanders, number one, right? Like, they might have been under the impression he was going in the first two rounds. they might have done work on late-day three quarterbacks. Yeah. It could be that. It could be all the other stuff we're talking about like the circus. But I honestly don't know.

You do work on everybody, but I don't know how much work they were doing on shorter standards. I could be wrong there. The extra work, right? Exactly. Like did the QB coach meet with them at the combine? Exactly. Yes.

And if you're going to, yeah. And maybe there's a point when you're willing to do it without having done the work, but a little bit earlier, probably not. very interesting. Does this make you think that the clock is ticking on Tanner McKee? No, I think this has nothing to do with Tanner McKee. What about Talon Hertz?

Definitely not. What about doing Thompson Robinson? Well, it's, look, I don't think McCourt's guaranteed a roster spot, right? He's a sixth-round pick. It's going to be him in, it's going to be him and Thompson Robinson. And, you know, DTR visited here, right? And, you know, was really productive at UCLA too. so I'm curious to see.

I agree. It's going to be a fun training camp battle to follow, but totally different types of quarterbacks. For sure. So that factors into it as well. Oh, man, Cuzz must be fired up. Oh, sure, yeah. You know, it's a cool story.

It's like, you know, they had Kenny Pickett last year. Kenny Pickett was more central Jersey, but, you know, Eagles fan. You know, he was a Jersey Shore guy. Yeah, it's a cool story. What do you think is the best food place in Mount Laurel? What's the chicken vodka wrap for Kyle McCourt? NFL Films cafeteria. There you go.

No, there's got to be like a primo's around there that we'll give a shout-out too. I mean, I know they're big supporters of Anthony. You know, chicken and the egg was around there. We had the Sixers show there. Chegg. Yeah. So, you know, I'm going to be a show for people who, who sponsor. for our shows. Okay. I like that.

There you have it. Oh, our first kicker off the board. The Patriots. You have to, anytime you can draft a kicker when you're a rebuilding team. Andres Boragallis. Two time, all ACC kicker. Yeah. What are we doing?

Well, what are we doing? All right, Cal McCord. That's a little bit of juice. It's a little bit of fun in the sixth round. Two Shrine Bowl guys back to back. Three more six round picks to go. For the Eagles, at least. on the schedule.

And then after the Eagles pick at 191, that is when we will bring on our friend Les Bowen to talk about his thoughts on the draft thus far. A defense heavy draft but Kyle McCourt's still here. That's fun. Is it raining? Is that that sound?

Pouring? Old man snoring? So Monday's Anthony Gargano show do you think he leads with Andrew McCuba or Kyle McCorme I don't think he leads with Kyle McCourt, but I think we got a nice long

Kyle McCourt segment, yeah. He must be fired up. Absolutely. Fantastic. Good stuff. Good for the brand. Well, I mean, look, if you're, it is going to be the headline from today.

Like if I was the beat writer at Inquirer, right? You're playing up, a quarterback. Like, like, quarterbacks always sell more than nickel. Well, you're certainly playing up the Shador thing, given the way to play that out. Like, this is the guy they got, but they were maybe willing to take Shador earlier. Or but unwilling maybe.

I mean, that's... But the reporting is that they were going to take him if the Browns didn't trade up. Oh, that is? That's the inference from... Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. I'm saying McLean was saying they weren't. But, yeah.

But of course, they're going to say that. Sure, exactly. Yeah. But no, it's a fair point. It's interesting. Yeah. All right. More picks off the board recently.

Marcus Harris, the cornerback from Calais. California going to the Tennessee Titans. Ali Gordon, the running back from Oklahoma State, went to the Miami Dolphins. Balal Coney, the cornerback from Western Michigan, went to the Ravens. And JJ Peggis, the defensive tackle from Ole Miss, went to the Las Vegas Raiders. Exciting stuff. Some running back still available. Some wide receivers still available.

I'd like to see the Eagles draft any skill position player other than a quarterback, but that's okay. Linebacker thinning out a little bit. same for corner and safety although Jaylon Reed still hasn't been picked that's an interesting one yeah that is a good one I mean so hard to pick him at this point

I gotta think a skill position player at some point here though right? I would hope so yeah maybe Vince maybe maybe maybe now that Cuzz got Kyle McCord Vince will get Marcus Yarns that's true

that's true I mean I yeah I'm I'm gonna be watch I watch Anthony show a lot but I'm eager to see Monday what it's like now you did say Kyle McCord wasn't working with the best cast of wide receivers.

Are you by doing that, throwing Aranda Gadsden Jr. under the bus? Well, I mean, Aronda Gadsden's catch radius was tested. I'll put it that way. But no,

I mean, you know, Trevor Pena, he's getting good, he's getting good NIL money transferring. But it wasn't. I mean, listen,

last time the Eagles drafted a quarterback from Syracuse, sack. That's true. The last time they drafted a player from Syracuse. Yeah. Last time they drafted a player from... Five will always love you. Will they let him wear five?

Five will always love you. What was McCourt's college number? Kyle McCord's college number was six. Six is taken. Devante Smith. Yeah. Probably not going to get that one. Maybe 16 is McKee, right?

16 is McKee, yeah. There have been some number changes that I saw. They have been Neil, my voice. my friend, the running back from Kansas, goes to the New Orleans Saints. Yeah, what's the reporting about Jahan Dotson, moving up to the Sylvages? So he's two, and then Ringo's 7.

Okay. And I think there were some tours of the Eagles locker room. Okay. And they saw the placards. I would credit who put it out, but I didn't see the initial tweets. So eight? Eight is available?

Unless someone else picked that up, but yeah. Eight would be available? Nine. they're not giving nine out. They're not giving nine out. Yeah. They're not giving nine, twelve, 13 would be available if Dodson moved that.

14? 14. And then 18 and 19. Okay, let's think about this. But I think Marcus, or I think Aver Williams got, I think Aver Williams got out one of them. Okay.

What number do you think, do you think Cal McCord should be? Two. I think two is taken. Yeah, we, I believe. John Dotson is taking the two and Ringo is moving the seven. He feels like a two. That was my...

I'm going to go 13 unless there's a player who took 13. Yeah. I can see that. What's DTR? I don't... Yeah. DTR feels like a 13.

Maybe a 19 or an 18, 18? Yeah, I like a high teens for record. I like a high teens. Okay. Okay. Some of the chat says Adori Jackson has eight.

Okay. Which has not been announced yet. So there you go. All right. Your boy, Devin Neal, off the board. Not enough likes in the video today. We've been going for so long. We need, let's get over a thousand likes.

We're only at like 550 right now. Another quarterback off the board. Will Howard going to the Steelers. Oh, the Steelers finally taking a quarterback. They waited for sure to go off. Yeah, that's funny. They, people sleeping on Camilla. Hmm.

Camela. Quinn Ewers hasn't been drafted either. No. He should have transferred. Or Riley Leonard. Yeah, why did he come out? I don't know. Yeah, that's tough.

It's weird because, well, no, we don't need to get into that. 1901 approaching. My guy Devinio went to the Saints. Yes. Can we get a running back? Can we get a wide receiver, please? Still plenty of guys.

Both spots. I like Breschard Smith. He's still your highest rate of running back available. And I could see. Dami Martinez is still there. I don't mind Damien Martinez. is now that's a big hulky. That's a big back.

It's an AJ Dillon competitor. Yeah. I could be sold on Kellelellings. Convert to running back. If you're thinking about upside, because he plays running back like someone who has no idea what he's doing. My guy at Michigan loves

Kelle Monagher. As a guy, like it was one of the people in that locker room just loves Kalele Mullings. I think that'd be fun. The wide receivers, we talk now, Isaiah Bond. has some kind of

off-field accusation thing going on right now. Yeah, I think that's part of the reason. I would imagine most of the reason why he's still there. But my guy, Ricky White, the third, and Conan out of Mumfield from Pitt still available. Anybody else at wide receiver interesting to you? At Wide Out? Yeah, there are you guys. You're like Ted Johnson?

I mean, he's like, he's like Xavier Restrepo, except a little bit faster? No, it's honestly, it's like, it's like the kid from last year. It's like a Nyas Smith. Yeah. He's undersized, but not dynamic. Yeah.

I like DeQuan Felton. To me, he's like Johnny Wilson. He's big, he's a really good blocker. I think he went. No, I don't think so. Ty Felton went. Oh, Ty Felton. Ty Felton from Maryland.

No, I was thinking of Dante Thornton. Yes. They're always confused. Yeah. Dante Thornton was the guy who's like, he's 6'5 and around the 4th 3 at the Combine. Yeah. Dequant Felton is big and slow. Okay.

But he's a really good blocker. He's a good route runner, good hands. I like Dequant Felton. And then there's some tight ends I kind of like still. Jake Brony's still out there. Brony's still out there. You like Montevowal. I like Montevow.

I like Gavin Bartholome, you too. Oh, yeah, your boy. And Josh Simon. And my guy, Josh Simon. Nebraska guy? That was in the pastel. Fadone. Fadone's still out there too, yeah.

Brankithy. Don't forget. Well, I will forget. I'd like to forget. Trying to sell me on an 85-year-old. Johnny Cornelius, I'm going to mention again. Cam Williams still out there. Got to be something going on there.

Your boy Jonah Montheim still out there. That's true. But I need to think they're going to go skill player at some point here. I mean, it's not like there's... Three picks coming up, I mean... Willie Lampkin. Will they make three more picks? The Drew Kendall pick.

I just realized the number one reason I was alike. They can't take a Willie Lampkin now. The Lampkin is never full. So according to our lads, their depth chart, they filled in some of these numbers. Okay. Oh. So Dorian Thompson is apparently 14. Avery Williams is apparently 18.

No. And so, yeah, Ringo 7. And again, I don't know if this is official. I don't know if I like that for Ringo. I don't know if I like 14 for T. 22 is a good number. Dotson 2. 7.

I mean, I love the number 7. That's my number. but for a corner. Was that your number? Yeah. 10 was my number. So, yeah, so I'm trying to think of what number. I guess 19 is all that's real.

Yeah. 19 seems to be what's available. These pretzels are still good. 13? 13 is, 13's available. So 19 and 13. I think I'd go 13. Yeah, probably so.

Hasma cord? Yeah. who's the 13 you think of for the Eagles there's one guy immediately Nelson Aguilor no it's not it for me it's the one part of my brain that is that is Eagles wise

not completely dominated I can I can forget Eagles numbers Damaris Johnson DeMaris Johnson that's a good one you know I always struggle during training camp with I can do it in the moment like this year's team as I'm watching

but like remembering it is a little bit. In training camp, when you're still like familiarizing yourself with it, I always just associate the player who weren't last year. Sure. Right? So that always happens. Well, and there's fun ones when like it's like a similar body type.

Yes, exactly. Yeah. When you get a 53 who looks like Moses Foku. I'm just going to assume it's Moses Foku. 186 on the board. That means we're five away from the second of four scheduled sixth round picks for the Eagles. If they make all four picks in the sixth round, And don't have any sevenths?

What's our plan? You're going to leave. Yes. I'm going to leave. I think you can go if you want to go to the presser. We'll see. I also don't think if they've made all of these picks, I don't know that we need to keep it going too long.

I would agree. I would agree. That's like our undrafted free agency period, right? Is... Yeah. You know, after in the seventh round, they're on the phone is what I'm saying. I understand.

Right. So, yeah. So we, and we can do some vods. Yes. It is Will Howard, not Howard Will, right? Josh Huff 13, that's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one. Philly's finest. Yeah. All right. $191 approaching.

Will they make this pick? Yes or no? Yeah. Yes. It's how he was just waiting for the sixth round, right? Talk about like this. This is where we thought this draft was strong. It was the sixth round. Sixth round.

Yeah. Yeah. The strength of this class Is the sixth round And you see a think piece somewhere You know this this summer The Eagles outsmarted it again They found the new market in efficiency

The sixth round That was my That was my favorite was When Chip was making the big deal About the college captains And then it's like, you know The Eagles cracked the code We got Cuzz

Oh look at this Let's get the Kyle McCord breakdown Oh you're going to send it to him Got it's not here just yet We're going to get Cuzz. Oh, this is, we got, we got guest central here. We'll do Cuzz.

We'll do the 1991 pick. We'll get less. Yeah. We're firing on all cylinders here in the sixth round. The P.HL.Y draft show. Talking about Jersey numbers. One thing I do when I'm cooking. Okay.

Let's say I'm cooking something. It's like, oh, leave it on the stove for 12 minutes. I'll look at the clock. I don't set timers. Yeah. I'm like, all right. like it's 538 right so 550 who's the first 50 that comes to my mind and that's how I'm like all right oh and that's how that's literally how I do it so I look at the clock and I'm like oh

that's usually how I do it is just not setting a timer trying to remember but I often just forget yeah so I'll do it like oh it's I got to take this off a stove at 543 all right Darren Sproul so I remember numbers too really but are you always looking at the clock because I'm usually like multitasking so I'm like all right let me I'll watch this pot catch the scrolls out of the corner of your eye yeah right okay that's good Yeah. Got him? Yeah, we're a second kicker off the board.

Tyler Loop. All right. We got it. Cuzz. I mean, we got to imagine outside of the McCord family. Nobody is more excited about this six-round pick than Anthony Gargano. Cuzz, are you with us? I got thrilled that Kyle's at Eagle.

I love it. Tell us why. You know, Zach gave us the breakdown. Fran gave us the breakdown. But you are in the camp. So give us, give us what you love about Kyle. Forgive me. I'm in the, I'm in the dugout right now. We just got, we just got done our tournament game.

So, nice. Well, did we win? Yeah, we won. We won. Let's go. So, yeah, we won. Now, meanwhile, I was more worried about the draft that was going on than the game itself.

So, as you can see, all right, there we go. Listen, I think this is a perfect spot for Kyle. Yep. It's a spot where he just could sit and learn, right? Like, just sit, learn the position, no pressure, right? McKee's the key is the backup. Jalen obviously the starter. And he just sits for two, three years and develops.

And maybe Howie can work him, you know, maybe they can develop him into a quarterback. And now you got currency, right? So I think it's like the best for both worlds. We always talk about quarterback factory. Well, the Eagles know how to develop quarterbacks. I mean, look at McKee and where McKee was and where he is now. Right. So I think it's a great, great spot for both.

Like the Eagles take a shot. You might have a guy that's worth something down the line. And Kyle gets to learn the position. We got to St. Joe's Prep local kid here. Yeah, that's what we were talking about. Everybody's, you know, all the national people say, oh, Georgia. The Eagles are picking out Georgia. All their players are Georgia.

In Philly, we know the real breeding ground for Eagles now is St. Joe's prep. Yeah, man. I love the fact we got two local kids, you know, between Jihad and Kyle. I mean, it's great. But now it's another testimony, guys, as to how good the football is around here. Like, you know, I'm on the front lines of it. I love our local kids and local programs.

There is so much talent here. And it's just getting more and more and more. the development is really special. Anthony, I knew the Giants Jets, St. Steelers, were teams that brought Kyle in leading up to the draft. Was there any sense that Kyle thought a homecoming was possible going into the weekend? No. Actually, I think he was thinking the Rams.

I think the Rams were a team. The Steelers were a team. But then I heard the Steelers like Howard, who they wound up taking, right? So that was something else. I don't think he, I know that there were, you know, you're antsy, right? The way the quarterbacks fell in this draft, it was wild. So obviously, Chador being the number one story. I was on the, I did my Fox show this morning, and it was all about Chador, right?

And, you know, these quarterbacks, there just wasn't value here. What would you have made because of the possibility of Chador being the pick at quarterback for the Eagles, you know, some reporting that the Browns moved up to get in front of the Eagles and maybe the Eagles would have pulled the trigger there in the fifth round. No, I heard that that was not true. Okay. I fact, I checked this morning because I was wondering because that is something how we would do, right? Like that's the value.

Right? Like you look at a value when he does. So I checked this morning and I was told no. So I don't know. I heard I saw the same report. I don't think that's true. I don't think they were going to take. them there. Gotcha. Go ahead. Cause, what do you think of the draft class overall? I would love to

get your thoughts on you. I mean, you got to tell you. I love this. I love this draft. Did the brass kit kid? In fact, Matt Ruhl join us Monday or Tuesday next week. Love it. He's got a nasty streak. I love this. I can tell you, again, I think they hit a home run. I think this is a great Great draft, man. Really quickly, we have the newest eagle is in. The pick is in here for the Eagles. They have selected offensive lineman Miles Hinton from Michigan. Talented player, known for his physical gifts, high upside play here.

Hasn't been viewed as a guy that has hit his ceiling. This is a guy that I haven't done like a full, full report on, but went to the combine. I was impressed with the physical workout, the position specific workout. But again, he is viewed as a player. NFL bloodlines, his dad played in the league, his brother, Chris Hinton. He was actually a guy that was in for Eagles 30 visit a few years back. He played for the Colts. So, yeah, this is a guy that they're taking an upside swing here along the offensive line.

673, 23, 34 and an 8th inch arms, 23 years old, has played right tackle and left tackle at Stanford and Michigan. Somebody for a stout to work with, Cuzz. Listen, that's exactly what. Give stout size. Right? And he'll mold you into a player. You got bloodlines. You mentioned to Frannie. Chris Hinton was played for the Colts. It was a good player.

I love it. Every one of these picks makes sense to me. So I think I'm really, I love this draft. I have to tell you, generally speaking, I want to get your guys' opinion on this, because I think this entire draft was about O-line and D-line. Everybody wanted to make it about Chador and the lack of quarterbacks. But I went through the draft. I think a lot of these teams played it smart.

They built through the trenches. A lot of the picks I thought made sense to me. Yeah. No, I think that's right. And I think that's why, for instance, in the second round, when the Eagles stay there at 64 and they take Mukuba, I think they probably would have preferred the board to work out a little differently and an offensive lineman or defensive lineman to be.

be the pick there. But to your point, that's what everybody was picking around the league in the, in the early second round. And so instead, they took the safety that they liked there. Yeah. And by the way, I mean, you know, listen, it's amazing what McCuba is, right? Like, I mean, he is a CJ comp. I mean, like, you know, it's actually, it's actually great. It's perfect. But what I love, the way this draft, the Eagles put this draft kind of how they do things. I think a lot of these teams followed suit. They watched the Eagles dominate in the trenches. And you saw that first round, all those O-Lyman went, right?

All those D-Lyman went in it. All the secondary guys went in the second round. Like, this was a draft for the trenches. And I think the league got smarter. There wasn't a lot, there weren't a lot of reaches in it. And that's why the quarterbacks felt. Everybody wanted to make a story about the quarterbacks, right? But look, there weren't franchise quarterbacks there.

Shador isn't a franchise quarterback. I mean, nobody was going to use ways to pick like that. Yeah, we'll see how this shakes out. I don't have the same type of optimism about this class so far, mainly because of day two. I don't think day two shook out kind of the ideal way for the Eagles, only ending up with one player there. I thought they were going to address O-line before the fifth round, right?

but the reality is, and we were talking about this, if Shahad Campbell can be a difference maker, and it certainly seems like that's the case, you know, that he's a potential, you know, top 15 pick who slipped, and if Makuba can start for them, then it doesn't matter kind of where, you know, then it doesn't matter if he might be overdrafted.

That's a good outcome. Then that works out. I just, I would have liked to see a little bit more in that two, three range than what they got. And I thought they were going to address O line a little, a little bit earlier than they did. Listen, that's fair. You know, I think you're right about that.

I think it's fair. I just think it's the way the board fell and the fact that what I was talking about were so many teams were looking at the trenches. I mean, you saw there weren't a lot of, in that spot where the Eagles were, there wasn't a lot of opportunity for them to address O-line in that spot.

All right, Cuzz, thank you so much. We'll let you get back to Family Time. What do we got coming up on the show? Monday at 9 o'clock. Oh, it's all draft. It's baldy. We're going to have Matt Rulstop by. We'll probably have, you know,

probably have Kyle, you know, all kinds of stuff. So we got you covered. You guys are slaying it. Thanks, boys. All right. Thanks, because. Appreciate it.

All right. So you got it for us. The Eagles drafting Miles Hinton, the offensive lineman from Michigan. Very exciting. Two more picks to go. Why don't we take break number five here? And then we'll come back.

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The most important question we have for you is having lived the life that you have, what's your best advice for getting rid of mice? There he is. Can you hear us, Les? We see you, Les. Can you hear us? Everybody wave to Les. Hi, Les.

Les, I think you might be muted or you have us muted. I'm sorry, I hear you now. Can you hear us? There go. What's your best advice for getting rid of mice, Les? Those little traps they have at the hardware store. Many, many years ago, our first house, we had mice. It was quite an experience.

Hard to get rid of those little fellows. Yeah. I understand how he's trading back to draft some of the mice. That's going to be all that's left on the board if he keeps moving back. What do you make so far of the draft that we've seen? The Eagles have less going so defensive. Yeah, I'm not shocked at that. I don't think anybody is. I was really disappointed that they traded out of the third round last night. Just because for a casual like me, that pretty much ended the cash of players I knew anything about. Yeah. But, you know, I keep reading, they keep drafting the sons of former NFL players, which is interesting. They drafted a quarter NFL players, which is interesting. They drafted a quarter.

quarterback, you know, I guess at this point the guy that they got for Kenny Pickett, they just did that to get rid of Kenny Pickett. It seems like I don't know. They got a pick, yeah. But, you know, it's, you have to think with all the tradebacks that they aren't real enthusiastic about this draft after the first few rounds. I can't blame them, I guess. I have no idea. but I've heard that said from people going into the draft that it's not a great draft. And I think we're seeing that reflected in their approach to it, frankly.

I was about to say Howie, Les. In knowing Howie the way you do and covering him for a long time, you heard his comments after they drafted Jahad Campbell. What did you make of that? Are you expecting Jahad Campbell to be more of an edge rusher based on the way Howie was selling that part of it? you're someone who did a few of those Jerry Robinson stories. Like, do you see a shift philosophically, and this is going to be an off-ball linebacker and Howie's trying to sell the pass rush part of it?

Or do you buy Howie with the edge-rushing part of his game as a big part of this pick? Yeah, I have to think Halley was telling the truth there, but it's Vic Fangio's defense. It's not Howey's, you know? We'll see what Vic wants to do. I think Campbell's really good in coverage from what, you know, I don't know, but the few clips I've seen, he looks like he can cover people. I think it'd be a shame to kind of lose that part of his, I think you can move him back and forth, I guess is what I'm saying.

I know E.J. Smith made a point after watching quite a few of the clips that, you know, he's not really ready to be a full-time edge rusher at 235 pounds right now. just as Nolan Smith wasn't ready when he was first drafted to fill that role effectively in the NFL. I don't know what they're going to do with him, but I really, if he was really an edge rusher, I think people would have caught onto that quite a bit earlier than they did, but we'll just see what they do. It'll be real interesting to see.

I think Fangio has an interesting concept for his linebackers. saw Zach Bond rush the pass or some, you know. So I'm not sure exactly what they'll do, but I think it'll be really, I think he's definitely going to have a huge role going forward. Yeah, it's interesting. We talked about it's going to be, it's hard for him to really fully do both, right? That's just, that's just not how time works and how those positions work. Right.

And if he's going to major in one, it sort of has to be linebacker. You can't just, you know, you know, hoof it at linebacker after spending most of the week preparing to be an edge. You also have to change your body a little bit. But that said, I'm sure that Vic has a specific plan for him and they went through all of that. I do like the idea, as I joked, that Vic in order to get him drafted, convinced how he was going to use him as an edge, and then he plans to only play him at linebacker. That's pretty funny.

Well, I would think also if you're going to do a little bit of both, it would be easier to learn linebacker and then do an occasional pass rush here and there that it wouldn't do the other way. You know, you're not going to just drop into being a linebacker after practicing with the defensive ends for several months. Go ahead. A few days ago, weeks ago, it's all kind of blending together for me now. Yeah, you had a column about Dallas Goddard, where you said it was. Would you can only read if you're a diehard on on p.chly.com. Yeah, and you didn't think it made sense for the Eagles to move on from Dallas Goddard. And I had been under the impression they weren't going to bring Goddard back based on everything I had.

in hearing. But we also know, too, that the Eagles know how to kind of negotiate behind the scenes sometimes. And the draft is often where the truth comes out, right? There hasn't been a trade yet. The Eagles haven't drafted a tight end yet. And I agree with the premise of what you had there is it's not like there's someone walking through that door who's a doubt who's comparable to Dallas Goddard.

So from your perspective, what do you think they do here? Do you think this is more of a negotiating ploy on their part? and they bring Goddard back, do you think they're serious about moving on from Goddard? What's your read? Well, they certainly didn't draft his successor, did they? You know, I was looking for that, frankly. I was looking for Mason Taylor or one of those guys, the guy, Fanon, the guy from Bowling Green or, you know, somebody. They didn't.

So I don't know what their plan is. I really think the best, I heard you talking about this earlier, Zach, and I agree. Look at this from Dallas's perspective. What is he getting out there? You know, is the league that excited about getting Dallas Goddard and giving him another big contract at this point at age 30 with his injury history? He misses at least a quarter of every season, it seems like. I don't know.

If I were his agent, I guess it's still Chase Callahan. I don't really follow these things that close anymore. If I were his agent, I want to have a good handle on exactly what's out there and, you know, how that juxtaposes with what's available from the Eagles. Assuming the Eagles, I can't believe the Eagles don't want him back at all. That just makes no sense to me. And I'd love to know what their offer is, what they have in mind. A couple years at less money than $14 million a year probably, but how much less money? And, you know, what are the specifics?

I guess we'll never know, but at least we won't know until this is resolved somehow. But that's the best outcome for both sides right now anyway. I just don't see how they're going to be better. Unless they trade for that Raiders guy that everybody talks about, I don't see how they're going to be any good at tight end and get rid of him. And I don't know what they're going to get for him at this point. You know, the draft is, for all intents and purposes, just about over. Are there teams that didn't get tight ends that are really, you know, really interested in Dallas Goddard?

I guess we'll find out. I totally agree with that, that less. What's your, as we just take a step back, you're reminiscing on covering drafts of years past. What's your favorite, like covering the draft story or memory? Oh, I have several. You know, I always remember that Wentz draft and being in Chicago. and the excitement around that, which didn't turn out to be what we thought it was going to be. I remember being in Nashville and Andre Diller dropping to the Eagles,

and Andre telling me about how it was hard to focus on what was going on. They had these big portable tents set up. It was a huge thunderstorm during the draft, 2019 draft in Nashville. And Andre was having a hard time focusing because rain was dripping. on him during the draft while his name was being called, which might have been a foreshadow, actually.

But yeah, a lot of stuff like that. I think we all remember the late Daniel Teo Nashime. Looking up at the ceiling. He was, yeah, we asked him what he was doing and he was just lying on the bed

looking up at the ceiling, actually, he said. You know, RIP Daniel, but yeah, there have been some really memorable draft moments over the years, that's for sure. All right, there we go. Les Bowen. Thank you so much for spending some time with us on a beautiful Saturday.

It's good, and, you know, good luck with those mice, and maybe you can, like, teach them to sing or sew or something, like in the Disney movies. That would be fun. Do you have a favorite fictional mouse? Do you go Mickey? Do you go Stuart Little? You go Fival? Oh, I like Ratatooey.

Yeah. Oh, wow. Going off the board. Nice. Yeah. Now, I mean, do you think there's beef between mice and rats? Do you think they would take umbrage at being lumped in with the other? Now, there was actually a Disney movie when one of my sons was a kid, the great mouse detective.

I don't know if you ever saw that. Oh, yeah, sure. And the villain of the piece, voiced by Vincent Price, I believe, is a rat who wants everybody to think he's a mouse. and you can't. His name is Rattigan, which is kind of a tip-off. Yeah, I mean, come on. He doesn't want to be known as a rat. You have to refer to him as a mouse,

and you're in big trouble if you acknowledge that he's a rat. He gets very angry over this. Of course. So I have to say, based on that scientific appraisal that there is between rats and mice. All right. Now, that's the insight that we're hoping that you would bring today, Les. We appreciate that.

Absolutely. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you soon. And we'll check it out. What you're right on all-P-H-L-Y.com. All right. Eagles got two picks left the whole weekend, unless they continue to move back and accumulate picks.

We're talking 20, what is it, 208 and 20210? Yeah, right, almost back to back. 207 and 209. So close. Who's your favorite fictional mouse? You got to go Mickey. Mickey? Yeah, you got to go Mickey.

Yeah. It's boring, but. Low-hanging fruit. Yeah. How about you, Zach? Probably Fival. Fival goes west. I remember watching out of my grandfather.

Yeah, when he wasn't at the casino. Yeah, when he wasn't at the casino. Yeah, Fival goes west. Okay. Yeah, you know what? I don't love a Stuart Little. I'm okay on a Stuart Little, but... The little car.

Yeah. I would go Fival and Mickey and Minnie ahead of Stu Pot. Yeah. Any other fictional... I feel like there are a lot of fictional mice. Maybe it's because people are so scared of them. They're trying to humanize them, you know?

Trying to look it up. here. Jerry. Jerry, of course. Yeah, no, Jerry. I mean, a rapscallion, that guy. Speedy Gonzalez is technically Speedy Gonzalez, that's a good one. Is he itchy or scratchy? Itchy, I think.

Itchy is the mouse, right? I think so. Pinky. Oh, Picking in the brain. I mean, you're trying to take over the world. They don't want that. That's already been done by somebody. Chuck E. Cheese, that's a good one. Pikachu. Pikachu is a mouse?

No, don't. According to this website, according to this website. Nope. I mean, I'll get, I'll get Casey on the phone around. We are not counting Pikachu as a mouse. Bring Casey on right now. Absolutely does not count. No way.

The rescuers. Why are there so many fictional mice? You know what? Is there any other species that has this many fictional characters? 32 on this list. 32 on this list is a mouse from, if you give a mouse a cookie, which I read that book to read in Sloan hundreds of times. I could probably recite it

You know? I don't need to recite it But in You offer it up You can't do that You can't say your flex and say you're doing it In these stories I would always

Editorialize And I would be the mouse at the end To my kids Because it's like I love cookies Right Because the end is If you give a mouse a cookie He would eat it

You know they would eat it Right And I would say I'm the mouse Right And slow Wait that's the end Is I'm the mouse?

No No, no, no, I would add that. And Sloan would crack up because I love cookies, right? So that, yeah. Do you change the voices? Do you do voices? Oh, yeah, big time, big time. Now they're at the point where they're reading to me. Right.

So. That's great. Yeah. Francis just, just started. It's phenomenal. It's exciting. It's crazy. It's crazy.

I am not accepting Pikachu as a mouse. No, it's absolutely not. No way. Some interesting players have gone off the board since Miles Hinton. Who cares? I'm talking mice. Yeah, go ahead. Bryce Cable Doe from Kansas, offensive lineman.

The bill is due, guys. We got to get this. Otherwise, they're going to shut it off. Might be doing us a favor. Bryce Cabledo, athletic physical specimen, tested really well at the pro day, and that caught a lot of attention. Figured he was going to get drafted based off that. Tage Brooks, longtime starter at running back for Texas Tech.

He goes to the Cincinnati Bengals, just a rock solid, evenly keeled across the board, running back. Jalem Cloud, linebacker from Auburn, versatile player, goes to the Jacksonville, Jaguars. He was viewed as a guy that can do a bunch of different things in the front, can line up on the line of scrimmage or off. Luke Newman, another shrine bowl offensive lineman from Michigan State, played guard for the Spartans, but I view him as a center only moving into the NFL. I thought I liked his athleticism, fits really well in his own scheme. Honestly, him going to Chicago to be the backup for Drew Dalman, I think makes a lot of sense. They just signed Drew Dalman in free agency. And then Ahmed Hassanin, another shrine bowler from Boise State, one of the better stories

in this draft. I mean, grew up in Egypt, learned how to play football there, and then came to the States. His brother really kind of encouraged him to get into the sport. A great kid to talk to a great story. He gets drafted by the Detroit Lions. That was great. You ran that down,

man. It is awesome, having Fran on set. I'm putting in a request to ask my God if Pikachu was a mouse. Okay. Yeah. Because people in the chat are very vociferous. I don't even care. I don't care if he is the mouse Pokemon. That doesn't care. He doesn't present as a mouse.

No, he's not a mouse. He's a mouse. He's a Pokemon. Well, I mean, no, there are different, you know, there's the turtle Pokemon and the whale pocket, but sure. But they're in a different world you're saying? Yeah, it's like, no, it's like, is a whale shark a whale? No, it's a freaking shark.

So are you saying squirrel is not a turtle? Correct. Yeah, he's a squirrel. Now, that's a different conversation than the one I'm having was I just, Pikachu doesn't look like a mouse to me. He's his own thing. I think yellow mice have you ever seen. I think you're...

I didn't get a... There might be one of this one of the walls here. I wouldn't rule it out. Yeah, he's not a mouse. As far as I'm concerned, he's not a mouse. And this is a hill out. I mean, look at him. Come on. He's shooting Thunderbolts.

It is under the Pokemon.com website, Pikachu, under category, says a mouse. I don't care. He doesn't look anything like a mouse. like a mouse. Mighty mouse. We didn't even talk about Mighty Mouse. That is true.

That is true. So the Eagles that have drafted eight players. And I'm curious. I didn't mean it to choose the subject. That's okay. And they have two picks left. So eight was the number we talked about coming into without on the, you know, we were talking over under, do you think they get the 10?

Do you think they, they, like both of these picks? Yeah. Or like, do you think there's a trade back? You know, they add a future pick and a seventh rounder this year? or do you think they try to get out of one of these? 10's a big, you know, 10's a big haul. Howie hasn't had a 10-man class in quite a while. His early classes were 10-man classes.

But they've been, they've had nine man classes, but 10's pushing it. Wasn't that 11, the 2011 class? That really rough one. That was 13 players. Yeah, his first two years, his first two years were loaded. So 10, well, in 2010 was one, two, three. four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen. Then his eleven, class was one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.

And then since then, I only think the, the 2020 class was the only time he was, he pushed it. 2020, they were one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. So a ten man class in twenty, and then, yeah, and so that's the only other time he had a ten man class was in 2020. And in that year, they did not keep Prince Tago Winogo. Casey 2 will they let go right before week one. Right? Got to bring that up. And then

No, it wasn't, it was during the season. It was during the season. No, because that was the whole thing. Oh, okay. Is that they signal to the league. He was good enough to make the roster. Yes, that's a seventh round pick. And then they cut him four weeks into the season. Sure. That's what it was. It was. That was the whole problem with that, was the order of operations. Yeah. But no,

he hasn't been as big on volume. Last year was a nine-man class. At this point, I think you'd make the picks. You just make the picks, yeah. But the reason, so I am not of the, like, oh, they don't have enough roster spots that, but what is true.

You're taking bets. Yeah, no, but I'm saying what is true now, though, is every pick is one fewer undrafted rookie that you sign, unless you're cutting guys on future deals, Unless you're cutting guys on future deals. But it's just something that they think about as they get late. Would you rather trade one of these picks for a future pick and then have a wider undrafted rookie market?

Also, well, I guess this is the case anyway. But I think of like a player like a Nyas Smith, if you bring in a bunch of rookies, that's another player that's like competing for a roster spot where they're less inclined to keep you if you have a disappointing camp. Sure. After a lackluster rookie year

where you don't make much of an impact, For a player like that, he should be concerned, I would think. Good point. And so just from a roster spot perspective, there's going to be some guys cut in the next few weeks to add undirected rookies. Brandon Graham will be carried on the Eagles roster until June 1st. You saw that with Kelsey and Cox last year, right? So the retirement will officially process June 1st for bookkeeping reasons.

So if you go on the Eagles website right now, he's still listed on the roster. I think they had like 18 spots, including, you know, 18 spots available going into the weekend, but I would imagine they're going to cut some guys. Exactly. But it also means that you don't necessarily have to fill out the full undrafted class. Yeah.

You know, sign guys just to fill out spots if you have extra draft picks. And if you recall, last year, they specifically went with a lighter undrafted class. They didn't feel it was a strong undrafted class. Right. They made the whole point of using the futures deals as their drafted class. Any word from case? Anybody you want?

He's out of the house at the moment, but I'm going to get, I'm going to get word when he comes home. Francis said absolutely not. Yeah, I mean. All right, we got a super chat from Patrick Wall, who is our resident Pokemon man. He says, enjoying the show, fellas. Given the results of this draft, are there any veteran free agents you take a look at after this weekend? P.S. Pikachu is a mouse. I think Pikachu as a mouse is an adult take.

You're familiar with all the Pokemon lore. Nobody looks at Pokemon and thinks he's a mouse. I just wholeheartedly disagree with this whole premise that they are animal. They are like the animals that they represent. I don't know enough about this to entertain to be involved in the conversation. So I'll defer to you guys.

But I'll trust what Casey says. Let's answer the actual question, though, that Peewell has, which is a veteran for agent. So is there a, you know, a Mackay-Bectin type who the draft didn't work out exactly as they were hoping? And so they will maybe backfill after the draft. The problem is like the one who was the obvious one was probably Justin Simmons.

And then you use the second round pick on Andrew McCuba, so you're not going to do that. Is there anybody else who is attractive to you? Yeah, so I was going to say Simmons, you know, the position that they really haven't hit is tight end. And if you look at the tight end market, right now. Has, I don't know if Gerald Everett's signed somewhere.

I don't think so. Yeah, so Gerald Everett is the guy. I mean, I don't know if you get really excited about Gerald Everett. You know, they added a tackle. They had the interior player. They added a slot corner. I mean, Edge in theory, you know, they've already signed two edge rushers. I don't think they need to go out and sign an edge.

Running back, they already signed AJ Dillon. So, yeah. I mean. Have any interest in the. Mari Cooper? Keenan Allen? Well, Kenan Allen's a

Siriani favorite. But I've been hearing he's going to go back to the Chargers. Now, would you rather Keenan Allen at this stage of his career

or Jahan Dotson? You'd probably keep Dotson, but yeah, you're just adding a guy. What about linebacker if Jihad Camp was going to be an edge? Yeah, that's a good one here.

Let me look at my line at the linebacker list. I mean, Eric Hendricks is out there. Kaiser White's out there. I tend to believe that Kaiser White doesn't have it anymore if Arizona's letting him work out because him and Rales are so tight. Devandre Campbell, but he like left the team

last year, right? Camusage Hill. Ah, he'll be the will. He'll be the will. Duke Riley out there? Camus, Camus, Camus, Camus. Ray Juan Lane made a Free Jep visit to the Eagles, the safety from Navy, he's going to the Jags.

I'm looking through the free agent linebacker list. Yeah. All four years. Common Gersa Hill, Duke Riley, Eric Kendricks, Joe Bashi, Cameron Brown. A bunch of former Eagles. Shack Quarterman. He's in there. Love that.

Superjet from Jesus, Zoidberg. It's been a very tough April for me. If you know, you know, we love you, Jesus. and these three days of watching you guys has been the first time I have felt normal and laughed. Thank you so much. Fantastic job. Much love for all of you.

Thank you very much, Jesus. Thank you, Ben. Yeah, first off, I wish you the best. But that's honestly, that's the coolest thing of this job is like the sense of community that, you know, and how people feel like we're part of their lives. How we are a part of their lives is awesome. And so messages like that, like that never got.

gets old and I'm truly grateful for that sentiment. Amen. Jesus. Vincent Pellegrini. He says, Hill and Yarns and this is a home run of a draft. Although HR could stand for Howie Roseman or human resources. Am I too down on this draft? I mean, I'm more with you.

Am I anchor to what I was thinking when I came here this morning? Like, I mean, I didn't think anything that they did today was really going to change the way I thought about the, yeah, I don't think it should. I was underwhelmed by yesterday. And, and again, that's, that's, I think you outlined the point well. Like, 2020, they got their friends, like, the pick the hit in 2020 was J-1 Hertz,

and you look back of that, and you say it's terrific, right? If Jihad Campbell is a pro-ball, all-pro caliber player, then that's huge, right? But typically, and correct me from wrong, you're hoping to get, like, three starters out of a draft, right? That would be fantastic. Yeah, okay. I saw someone say,

that in the media recently. And that's, that is absurd to say like, oh, that's the, of course that's the goal. That is a huge draft. If you get three, if you get three starters out of a draft, like that, you did a great job. Yeah. Yeah, ideally you do, but that's, that's like best case in error. You're hoping you get three starters. I just look at, so, and perhaps I'm not giving enough credit or to the Ty Williams pick.

Or I'm sorry. Ty Robinson. Ty Robinson, sorry. It's been a long day. Yeah. It's been a long three days. Yeah. Ty Robinson.

Been a long life. I wrote a long book. Ty Robinson, like, if Ty Robinson is a rotational defensive lineman this year, that's huge in the fourth round. Huge. No doubt. Which, to be fair, that is an expectation for a fourth round pick for the Eagles. The third pick that you're taking here. Yeah, that would be an enormous outcome.

And so that would change things. And, yeah, I mean, I'm looking forward to Matt Ruhle on Monday show hearing what Matt Ruhl says. and he is someone who there was a legitimate excitement about and athletic testing therefore. And that's a position where they can use another rotational player. I just, I guess McCuba has to be like more than just a start, like he has to be a good player for me to feel. If he's Nate Allen, is that good?

No, from my perspective. I think Nate Allen was a good outcome for a second round pick. Yeah. Started for four years? True. Yeah. Signed a one-year deal. there, yeah, that's fine. Okay, that's true.

I mean, that's realistic. Yeah. Right. Right. Well, it's actually, it's interesting you bring up Nate Allen because they entered under similar circumstances, like expecting the start right away. You know, the expectation should be that Makuba can beat out Sydney Brown, I would imagine,

right? And so, Nate Allen, yeah, a part of the appeal to him was that he was able to contribute early in his career. True. Yeah. Steve Vaughn with a super chat who says, who of these late round prospects do you think has the most upside

and who do you think has slid past where they should have? Are we talking late round, like who's on the board? Let's say who's still on the board. We're still on the board. Oh, I perceive that as the guys. The guys that the Eagles took. Oh, that the Eagles took? All right.

And we really didn't talk about Miles Hinton because we had the guest on. So I'm curious what you think there, too. Yeah, I mean, from what I've gathered on Miles. Quit Hinton, Miles and just tell me the answer, you know what I mean? A kilometer Sinton. Well, to me, when I'm looking at Miles Hinton,

Tradesy player, 6, 7, over 320 pounds. This is a guy who's really well built. I was talking with someone that I know at Michigan. He's a guy who is only 22, but when you're talking to him, when you're in front of him, he comes off as older, more mature.

Like he's a well-put-together kid who comes off well. Talking with scouts, it was never like if this kid could just put it together. You know, it's almost like the Kenneth Grant conversation where with Kenneth Grant, who was the 13th pick in the draft, as Zach astutely predicted. When you talk about Kenneth Grant, it's like, man, the flashes are there.

And it's just like if someone could just light a fire under him to get the most out of him, he could be a truly consistently dominant player on the interior. To a certain extent, that is Miles Hinton. You know, I remember watching him go through the combine workout and watch him go through position drills. And you're like, man, like for a big kid, he's athletic. He's light on his feet. He looks the part.

He's got some position versatility. His dad was a pro for a long time. I think that's a fine swing in the sixth round. Can I read one scout quote here? This is the Bob McGinn? Yeah. It's a good one. And I will preface this, the audience.

This is one scout's opinion, right? This isn't the consensus. But I should also add that on the Bob McGinn list, he was ranked the 10th rated offensive tackle and a third, fourth round grade. But I think this quote from a scout is interesting. Quote, he's got first round talent. He's huge. He's incredibly long.

Now putting it all together, I don't know. He's a complete roll of the dice. If this guy had Will Campbell's makeup, he'd be a first ballot hall of famer. Not because he's a bad kid. Not mean, not aggressive or violent. He's finesse all day. He gives up on too many plays. But when this guy does it right, sometimes when he's wrong, he's still right

because he's too big and too athletic. the guy could be a red player that's a solid starting player if he had a higher give a shit factor Zach, don't curse family program we're talking Pokemon believable well that was a cool

I'm sorry that good folks of Tony Roney's sorry yeah people there's kids here man after baseball games they're there with their families sorry about that Eagles are very close to but that's that shows you that there's tools in the body

yeah for for I I do honestly I think that the the Bob McGinn scouts having Smile Mondin as the number two linebacker in the draft has really, really recalibrated the way I feel about those rankings and who the guys are because obviously they're not high ranking personnel officials.

No, but there are people writing reports that the GMs are reading. Yeah, you know. Yeah. It's funny. All right, Eagles are closing in. Two picks left. 207, 209. We're at 205 right now.

Will they pick them both? Johnny Cornelius, discussed the right tackle from Oregon going to the Dallas Cowboys. They announced him as a guard. Interesting. It's been a right tackle only at Oregon. Transfer from Rhode Island. They had pretty high expectations.

There was some buzz about him when he first transferred. I was hoping for a little bit more on tape. I didn't love him on tape. But big physical, like more of your power guy, not surprising at all that they would announce him as a guard. Okay. Better run blocker. Better run blocker.

Eagles pick is in. Uh-oh. da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-fan. Give me a running-back or a receiver or a tight end, please. Let's see. We've got dots. Get my dots going here. The race of the dots.

Breschard Smith. Get Vince Marcus Yarns. Give me Ricky White. Marcus Rons, are you fine? Give me Joshua. It's Pikachu. Electric Playmaker. Fival.

The Eagles are drafting Fival. I just started to. some squeaking out there. The crowd is, the crowd's getting restless. Bend the edge. Yeah, the Eagles are going to draft a mouse and then all 500 of the mice are going to come out here and applaud.

They're going to stand up against the glass here. We knew this was coming. This is why we've been here. NFL network is going to pan to the party and it's going to be all the mice in our studio. Kane Madrano, who was a friend. My guy. He goes to the Washington commanders. It's a good draft for Washington.

It's a good day to day, too. Good thing about mice. Lowman wins. Tough to out leverage a mouse. Kind of like Willie Lampkin, you know? Yeah. Here we go. You think it's a skill guy? I hope it's a skill guy.

Yeah. Who do you want? Tell some chat. Suspense is killing us here. Mighty Mouse. Chuckie cheese. The suspense is killing us here. I know.

It's coming. Here it comes. Jimmy Horn Jr. For everybody in the chat. Joshua Simon. Tell us who you want. Jake Brining's duel. I like a liquid al-a-lawful.

Molokai Matavau. Matavau. All right, here we go. Fill them a face-up. There we go. A player that we've talked about now for a couple rounds. Texas tackle Cameron Williams.

Wow. So loading up an offensive line. Interesting. Oh, this is very interesting. This is an upside swing here for the eagle. Huge guy. I mean, I'll let you get the scouting report. Enormous.

Some of the biggest hands the league has ever seen. 6-6-334. 21 years old will be 22 in October. A three-year player at Texas, but a one-year starter at right tackle. Franiae told us about his weight fluctuating. But this is a, if anybody can get the 80th percentile outcome out of this guy, it's going to be Jeff Stalind,

and if you get that, he's got starting caliber tools. Yeah, he started 15 games this year. He got penalized 16 times, gave up a handful of sacks, gave up a bunch of hurries and pressures. The tools are outstanding in terms of like

the length and the size. I'll be fascinated to see if he's viewed as a guard or if he's viewed as a tackle. This is an upside swing, certainly. If he had gone back to school this year, he would be on every, Everybody's short list is like he's good.

He's a first round pick next year. This is the Joe Kruger. Exactly. Yeah. Shelton gets into. He would have been on all the two early mock drafts and it would have been like, oh, he had a rough end of the year. But if he goes back and he takes the next step, this guy has first round tools.

His footwork was not good. Honestly, most of his issues are what you would call coachable. And so if getting him into the hands of Jeff Stoutland, I think this is a good swing. And again, like, you know, are some of the, Miles Hinton is an upside swing. Probably for a slightly different reason than with Cameron Williams. We talk about the weight and things like that, how that's fluctuated.

I don't know everything that goes into that, but I think when you're looking at Cam Williams, big, sturdy right tackle, there's power there. Yeah, it's an upside swing here for the Eagles. Good pick. Yeah, there's a good swing. Yep, good pick. Absolutely. Why not?

And it's also like, it's kind of, I like that they went Hinton first. And so it's like, they're not counting on this guy, but it's like, okay, we accumulated these picks in this draft that we don't like very much. Yep. We might as well take this monster of a man and see what we can get out of him. Yeah, it's a challenge to him. You know, can he get it out of himself?

Yeah, I really like the framing. I love the framing that Fran had that if he came back, he'd be one of these guys who would be on every watch list because this was his first year starting for Texas. That's going to be a T that everyone's watching next year, obviously with Arch Manning at quarterback. And like the tools, the tools were there.

You know, it's one of these things. If you just watch the YouTube highlights, like there were real high level times when he's, when he's in people's way. You know, in the pre-combined mock I had, I think he was the second round pick

just based on the upside. And I think then I said, you can see the Mackay-Beckton thing if you wanted to do that. Yeah, I think at that size, you know what? I think other teams wouldn't think of him that way, but given what the Eagles saw with Bechton, I don't think that's crazy.

Yeah. Real quick, my final write-up on him. One-year starter, right tackle for Steve Starchesian in that offense, big kid who can get off the ball and has the physical traits you're looking for up front. He just needs a ton of refinement from the ground up. I don't think his traits consistently show up on tape because of it. If he wants to, if he were to come out this year, so I wrote this before it was official, if he were to come out this year, he would need at least a red shirt year in the NFL most likely to fix all the bad habits or else it will be a rocky road early. I do think that he's athletic enough to protect the corner and pass protection, though elite speed rushers will give him fits at times, able to be a good starter down the road, but patience

is required. Now that at this time, again, he was going in mock drafts as a potential first round pick, maybe an early second round pick. Obviously, that has changed over the course of the last few months. But again, at this point in the draft, totally get it. By the way, the Panthers pick, which is in between the Eagles. That was in, that is wide receiver, Jimmy Horn, from Colorado. So there were people in the chat that were hoping for horn. Give me crack horn. So he is gone. I don't care.

We'll see now what the Eagles do here with this pick. I have some other distressing news. Okay. I have the report in. Oh, no. Casey says that Pikachu is the mouse Pokemon. He's a mouse. Wow.

Listen, Pokemon experts have weighed in. I'm sorry to Patrick Wall. I'm sorry to all the other ones. It has been said. I got to accept it. I got to take the loss. He's a Pokemon. he's a mouse. That changes the way that I view Pikachu now. I don't like him as much.

Yeah, are you, are you afraid of mice? That reaction last night looked like someone who's afraid of mice. It's not that I'm afraid. Seeing them like run around like they own the place was a little disturbing. It was absolutely distressing. Yes, I agree with that. That was very disturbing. Yeah. It wasn't like one little one skittering around the edge of the, uh, yeah, I mean, it was surprising at 1130 at night. I would say. Yeah. I thought later. Now, I'm not like I'm not a fan of mice.

I mean, who's, yeah. I need to say, though, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. I like the strategy that the Eagles are going with on the offensive line in this sense here. If you're not drafting for starters, right, then I like the idea of just taking upside swings and taking guys who have tools. You have the person who you think is, and I believe is the best offensive line coach in the NFL,

He's the pick here. Next pick here. Virginia Tech. Redshirt senior pass rusher, Antoine Powell, Rylund. 6.2.5, 258 pounds. This is a loose pass rusher. Short arms, very short, 31 and a quarter inch arms. But this guy had production this year, 43 tackles, 19 TFL, 16 sacks in the ACC. First team all conference picked there for the Hokies. Was listed by some as a linebacker coming into the season with second team all conference a year ago, had nine and a half sacks. This guy's got some of the best flexibility,

the turn the corner, the ankle flexion of any of the pass rushers in this group. I think by the time you got to this part in the draft, this is about where I expected he would go, you know, round six, round seven. But look, he's six two and a half. I've mentioned the short arms. He's 260. He's a dense frame kid. The athleticism was just okay when you look at the overall athletic profile.

But again, on film, he's got that ability to turn the corner, started his career at Florida as an off-ball linebacker. then moved to Virginia Tech, and that's when they moved him to the edge. So you're kind of betting that his best ball might be ahead of him moving forward off the edge. 17 and a half sacks in the last two seasons at Virginia Tech. Very impressive. Is this qualify as a gator for Howley?

No. No. Because, okay. I think NIL it doesn't. So then is Jalen not an Alabama guy? Yeah, well, that's fair. It's a good question. I mean, I'm sure he's leaning on some touch points.

Yeah. at Florida, but I don't think it counts. But I was wrong about Pikachu, so what do I know? Well, it's a matter of opinion. It's a matter of debate. All right. Presumably, Eagles are not going to be trading in now that they have made all of these picks.

You would think so. I can't imagine they're trading in after trading back all those times. Right. And so we can take a look at the entire class for the Philadelphia Eagles. We're done. We think. Jahad Campbell, Andrew McCuba, Ty Robinson, the Nebraska defensive tackle,

Mack McWilliams, the Central Florida cornerback, Smile Mondin Jr., the Georgia linebacker, Drew Kendall, the Boston College Center, Kyle McCord, the Syracuse quarterback, Miles Hinton, the Michigan tackle, Cameron Williams, the Michigan offensive lineman,

and then finally, Ann Twan, Powell, Rylund, the Edge from Virginia Tech. That is a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 player class, 6 players on defense, 4 players on offense. Interesting. Three offensive linemen, right? Yep. The surprising part to that class is no skill player. No skill.

Not a single one. Yeah. And especially because it's not, like, they're not in. seemingly deep there. You know, they, they haven't spent a, you know, a first, you know, a day two pick,

a day one or day two pick on a skill player the past two years, right? So it's not as if, well, they spent, they traded that third rounder for Dodson. So maybe you include that. Probably makes the AJ Browns to the Patriots trade less likely.

I would say so. Yeah. But it is, and especially the last hour has been a trenches, has been a trenches draft. Right? I mean, that,

And that goes to what Anthony said. Three offensive linemen. Today, they have a defensive tackle, an edge rusher. So that stands out, like, not as much secondary. You know, they take one corner and one safety, but it's not as if this was like a two-corner class. So the commitment to the line of scrimmage is there. I think that you saw on the offensive line in particular,

as I was saying before, like you took upside swings. You took guys with with measurables. On the defensive side, you saw more production-based. You know, whether it was Ty Robinson, whether it was the Virginia Tech Edge Rush who had 16 sacks last year. You know, that's not, you know, those are 50 or six-year guys who,

I don't want to say they're already at their ceiling, but it's not more Ojima, right? It's a different type of player. It's more of a mature player. And even Mondin. Mondin was, you know, a four-year player, the cornerback, MacMewiliams, a five-year player. So it's a different type of profile there than I think what you're going for on the offensive line. No tight end, I think, is actually the most surprising thing for me.

Very interesting. In this class. Yeah, in this class. Yeah. So what do you think they will pound in undrafted for agency? Those skill guys, right? Yeah, and we can do the math now on how many undrafted free agents they can bring in, right? Well, he's saying that because they can cut guys.

Yeah. Yep, that's true. You're looking at Duck Duck, Duck Juice? How is Duck Duck Juice panned out? All right, so offensive line, you were able to get both. That's two there, but no receivers, no specialist, so you went two for four. Zach? But this is a points draft.

Oh, that's right. So three offensive linemen for me. Oh, it's by volume that way. But it's by round. It's by round. So this is where my decision to draft a wide receiver over safety is going to cost me duck, duck juiced. I would have won, I think.

So a seventh round pick is worth one. A sixth round pick is worth two. Oh, right. So offensive tackle, I'm getting, I think, I think it's, we got to call Cameron Williams and Miles Inton tackles, right? Maybe. I think Hinton might be a guard. It actually doesn't matter.

Right. Oh, because you have both. Yeah, yeah. So that's, well, no, because it affects by points, right? Well, they both went to the sixth round. Yeah, yeah. Okay, no, mine. So that's four points for those guys.

Drew Kendall is going to be a three-pointer. Just so everyone knows, this would be happening off camera right now. if this is not just we're doing this for the show. This would be happening. So that's only seven points for me. That's not good enough. But if it was safety, it would have had 13 points

and that would have been the difference. Yeah. You have Edge. So we're giving you just Powell Island, right? So that's two points. But you're getting Jihad Campbell at linebacker. So that's nine points. And you're getting safety from Mukuba.

And quarterback. And quarterback. Yeah, that's pretty good. So that's nine, 15, 17. for you. Okay. And then Zach got detackle. So he gets a four-pointer for Ty Robinson.

High-end zero. No tight end. A three-pointer at corner for seven and then no running back. So in your debut performance, you have taken the Duck Duck, Duck Juice draft. Which everyone knows is the preeminent game when it comes to. It used to be. The one that's really about who knows ball the most. Yeah.

is the turkeys to the draft kingdom, which we did. And we did at the start of the draft. And this is going to come down to, do the Eagles make a veteran trade before the end of the draft? Oh. Oh, that's good. Yeah.

So. It's still on the table. It's still possibly on the table. And this is coming or going, and it's by the end of the draft. Right. So the first pick, the answer was it would go before,

32 overall. 40 for me, 40 for Zach, 30 for Fran. The second pick was exactly at 64. 30 for me, 35 for Zach, 35 for Fran.

Fewer than eight picks, eight picks, or more than eight picks. 35 for me, 40 for Zach, 40 for Fran. Not keeping track of this. I have the,

I have it. It's my spreadsheet. Okay. Veteran trade. Yes, I have 61, Zach has 70, you have 80.

No, I have 39. You have 20. Zach has 30. So a no would be a favor for me. Yes would be big for you. First pick. Wait, wait.

Yes for which one? Veteran trade. Okay. So I need them to make a trade. Got it. So first pick, what position will it be? This was an other. 14 turkeys for me and Zach.

15 for you. Second pick. This was also an other. 40 turkeys for me, 25 for Zach, 25 for Fran. What will be the earliest 2006 pick traded away by the Eagles? This was round six or seven. slash none. They have not traded one away. 25 turkeys for me,

40 for you, 20 for Zach. Will there be more picks on offense, defense, or tie? This was a nice one for you. 50 turkeys, 34 for me, 35 for Zach. When will they first draft a tight end? None. 20 turkeys for me, 20 turkeys for Zach, 15 for you. Over under, one and a half players drafted from Georgia, Alabama,

Ohio State, and Notre Dame. He gets Smile Mondin Jr. And the first round pick? Howe Campbell. John Campbell. 47 turkeys for me, 50 for Zach, 55 for you. Oh, nice. Will Dallas Goddard be traded, presuming that this does not happen?

Right. This is an 80 for me, 55 for Zach, 70 for you. Okay. Tools in his body. Will it be said? He said it yesterday. That was a big one for you guys. 46 for me, 100 for Zach, 97 for Fran.

That makes the totals. That makes the totals. Right now. Okay. Right now. Zach Berman, 534. Okay. Bo Wolf, 566.

Fran Duffy, 575. All right. You're in the lead. However, if the Eagles do not make a veteran trade, I will take over and be the five-time champion of the most important game when it comes to who knows what the Eagles are going to do on draft night. Owl, you know draft, I'm the only one who got one right.

I got Andrew McCuba. You guys got shut out. Bow and Zach both got shut out. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah. So I will take the owl you know draft. I will take duck, duck juice. And we're waiting on what's this one?

this meager game. Turkeys to the draft kingdom, the most important. Five times in a row, I mean, that is unprecedented. I promise you, never in the history of the world has that ever happened.

Five in a row? That's right. Wow. I think you have to go back. Can you go back through that for Zach now? This is the first time you're going to finish that water, isn't it? My mouth was so parched, man.

Yeah, I've been trying to chug it. It's a lot talking, man. I'm a lot talking. Yeah. A lot of listening. It's true. More listening. Yeah,

you have two ears and one mouth, right? Two nipples. Oh. It's too big. I'm a zombie right now. And I have a function I need to go to tonight. What? Yeah.

Yeah. What do you have tonight? I have. I have, I have to go to a bar mitzvah tonight. Okay. Okay. And so. Family or friend?

Friend. Okay. Friend. When you 13 year old friends do you have? That's funny. Emily's, it's, like, one of Emily's closest friends. Okay. Got it.

Yeah. And so, uh. I mean, you are going to be asleep at that bar mitzvah. And then when I get back, I got to write, like, after that. I'm going to write. Oh my gosh. And so, yeah. But anyways, I'm, yeah, I'm just trying to call back.

Yeah, trying to coordinate stuff. But anyways, I'm sorry, I missed that. Sorry, I missed that. That's okay. What do you want to do, Zach? When do you want to get going? How are doing this? I'll leave at 530.

I mean, they're doing the MacCuba press conference right now. Okay. So I'll leave at 530. Okay. How are we feeling? Good. Give us your draft grades in the chat. We'll do a poll?

Yeah. Can we do ABCDE in the ball? ABCD-F. F, I'm sure. Whatever. All right. Can I pee? Yes.

He's peeing. I mean, I hope I can. I hope so. I'll let you guys hang for a couple minutes. Oh, biggest surprise for you. Biggest surprise. No tight end? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Biggest surprise to me was, is no tight end. Yeah. I would say I would agree. I would agree. Yeah. Definitely no tight end.

And just a handful of other, like, you know, I thought they would do a little bit more at the skill position spots. Yep. The, yeah, I thought they would acquire a veteran, right? There was a lot of that smoke leading up to it from Adam Schaefter about, you know, the Eagles are in the veteran trade market. So I thought, yeah, I thought they, but they don't picks right now. They have picks next year. I thought they were going to trade from next year's inventory as opposed to add to next year's inventory. But yeah, that's that's probably what jumps out to me.

Yeah, it's going to be interesting. We are, by the way, we are rooting for them to make a trade only for, what's the name of this game? Turkey's to the kingdom. Yeah, turkeys to the kingdom. Otherwise, Bo will win. If they don't make a trade, Boe will win. if they do. That'd be an impressive win for both.

That'd be an impressive win for Bo. Yeah, I disagree. Tell us in the chat, if you think they're going to make a trade or not. Obviously, great job by Bree, getting the poll up. Right now, the winner is B. 60% of the vote right now is that they're giving the Eagles draft a B. 3% DF, 26% a C grade, and I lost it before I get A, 11% with an A. Does this seem like a six-hour show?

Yeah. This actually went way faster. than any other day three that I've ever been a part of, just like sitting and watching it. I think being able to talk through it and, you know, I think that's, that has made it go a lot faster. I mean, I got to say, you've been amazing.

I mean, I don't need the, I thank you. No, it's been, yeah. Well, first off, I'll be honest, it's easier doing the show with three people than two. Sure. Right? Right. But yeah, but just the expert insight has been awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Shout out to Chris.

Shout out to Andrew. Shout out to Bree. Shout out to Julia and to Brenna over the last couple days as well. Now, it's been an awesome weekend. Obviously, we still got some time here. I think we probably should, just in case, stay live for a little bit longer.

You never know if they're, they swing anything to swing back in. What's your Monday? Are you on the show Monday? No, I don't think so. I think I'm writing. I think I'm going to write. I was talking with,

Kevin today. I think what I'm going to do is I'm going to do like grades for each of the markets with like a look at each division. So like, all right, here's the Eagles draft. We'll do like grade recap kind of thing. And then look at the rest of the NFCs kind of deal. So I'll do something like that for each of the markets. So I'll say this before Bo comes back in. He's got his pretzel. Oh, God. Okay. All right. I probably shouldn't say it before. You want to stay outside for a minute? My plan Monday. I'm scheduled to go to the White House. to cover that. Okay.

Okay. Which, no, we're talking about Monday. I asked him what his Monday was like. Okay. So, just, so,

but that, it's also the Monday after the draft. There's a lot. Yeah. I'm surprised they're going that day, although I guess the White House doesn't care what the Eagles draft situation is. Not unless the drafts the door.

No. But, yeah, it's been, so, but looking forward to kind of recapping this week, all they did when you kind of pick up I want to go through every team's draft

I want to see what the other rosters are I mean I love doing it like this the one downside is that you're kind of I'm not processing other people's folks Correct yes I haven't been able to take in all the other content yet I'm very much looking forward to catching up on all of that over the next few days

I've got a long list of stuff to do at the house tomorrow though so it won't happen tomorrow I think we could do some going through other team's drafts if you want to You can do that. Got some time. Where do you want to start? Maybe we'll do the... You already did a bit of an NFC East?

We did the NFC East. Yes, we did the NFC East. Why don't we look around some of the other teams? If there's a team that you definitely want in the chat, we'll prioritize that, but otherwise we'll bounce around. What teams interest are you guys in the NFC? Should we do with Mark Murphy? Yeah, let's start with Mark Murphy.

Green Bay Packers. Now that we know that they pounded a wide receiver, which was surprising to double down, but he was the first round pick on Matthew Golden. I would argue that they pushed him up the board. Interesting. Why do you say that? Because they really got behind that ass.

Oh, oh, God. You see, if it was 1 o'clock right now, I would have picked up on that. 9 a.m. Cracking it open. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Now that is the drop.

The, oh, gosh. That is the drop that we need to keep. Can I tell you this is the story I meant to tell you before when we were talking about the name god? Yeah. In the middle of labor. Rachel gets, you know, she gets the epidural. So she's finally feeling good after nine months of carrying this baby. And, you know, she's a little bit, a little bit loopy.

and she's reading the name guide and just dying. I've never felt so good. I never felt so good in my life. Oh, that's great. I mean, talk about being helpful in the labor. It's the best thing I could have possibly done. That's great. Fantastic.

Who got the biggest reaction? You remember? Let's see. She did like Stone Handy. That was fun. That's pretty good, yeah. No, let's see. There were a lot, though.

So she likes some of the ridiculous ones. Sure. Who doesn't? Let's see. Christopher Fortin. is pretty funny. You know what? The horses got her.

That was a good one. John, very Ritzie, YAM Banks. Does she enjoy, like, the name of your buckets, like the name of your buckets, or is it just more than the names of the players? Oh, yeah, I mean, she likes when there's the joke payoff. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. Best, best I felt. That's great. Fantastic. Love that. Yeah, are we still going through these teams? Yeah, let's do it. Green Bay Packers.

So Matthew Golden in the first round. Me personally, that's just rich for me. You know, I think that he's more of a complimentary piece. Now, they always say in Green Bay, like, we don't believe in number one receivers. We believe all these guys are complimentary pieces. So I guess that works for them. I just wasn't a big fan of the profile. Where is he in your, but he was an unfavorable bucket.

Not a good bucket, yeah. But most of the receivers were not. Right. But you're just not productive. I mean, he played 16 games this year. Right. And couldn't cross a thousand yards in a pass heavy offense. Yep.

Anthony Belton, the tackle from NC State. This is a player I did like. I thought this value was good in the middle of second round. Big, powerful, mauler at the point of attack. Things to clean up as a run blocker. Honestly, I'll be interested to see if they move from the guard because that's something that they often do is that they will take college tackles

and they will move them around. And this is a guy who makes much more sense to do that strength-wise, as opposed to Jordan Morgan from last year, who was like Phenest City. Yes, I agree. I think that they could get a boom there, a guy that could start early for them.

see like this is a pick I missed they drafted Savion Williams in the third round reach for me you know I think that we talk so often about these players they're like oh man like you know

he can get him the ball fast and you can put him at running back you put him at receiver they are always better in idea than practice personally more Leviscus Chenalt than anything else but I will say like in talking with people like that have trained with them

this off season, Raverview's there. You know, he came to them and it was like, he was dinged up, he had a couple injuries. He, like, fought through his rehab

to make sure that he was ready to test is known as a freak athlete, a big body. I compared him to Chase Claypool because it's like, like a bigger, he's like, he's like, six four or 220

and it was like, all jet sweeps and all that stuff that would work really well for him. So I think he's built. Yeah, the Raiders took Camiller, my guy. Oh, there you go. So that's the thing is like,

we've said that, uh, this quarterback class isn't good. a lot of them. A lot of them have gone. A lot of quarter that I think that's the 12 quarterback, which is they, yeah, that's more than normal, more than normal class. And then they go Baron Sorrell, Colin Oliver and Warren Brinson. I didn't love Colin Oliver, you know, kind of a, Kyron Johnson, Patrick Johnson archetype, you know, is he an offball guy? Is he an edge rusher, smaller edge rusher? I didn't love the tape. Barron Sorrell, I like him the most out of this group.

Then they took Warren Brinson. I love Sorrell. He's like a big, strong, like, pocket pushing type of defensive end. Okay. They have two seventh round picks coming up as well. Let's think about NFC contend. Let's do three more. Sure. And then we're going to begin to wrap things up here. Zach's got to get going.

Yeah. And, you know, we've done a lot. And the Eagles seem to be done. So we're going to close it pretty soon. The Niners, I think, are interesting. Mike Kell Williams at 11. It's a good pick for them. Yep.

Alfred Collins in the second round, the big defensive tackle from Texas. Nick Martin, the linebacker from Oklahoma State in the third, along with Upton Stout. the cornerback from Western Kentucky. So they are pounding defense, defense, defense, defense. They go C.J. West, the defensive tackle from Indiana in the fourth round. And then Jordan Watkins, Jordan James, and my guy Marquis Siegel in the fifth round. Yeah, I really like the Michael Williams pick.

I'm intrigued by the Alfred Collins selection. We talked about that last night. This is a big body nose tackle who came there as a kind of a gap shooting three technique and has put on a lot of weight. So he's got some athletic traits. him but in a bigger body. I didn't love the Nicholas Martin pick personally. Yeah. Very small offball linebacker. He's violent. He's like he's honestly, he is Sydney Brown in linebacker for him. That's what he is. He is like, I'm going to run to the football,

but he is like out of control way too often. I think he'll be a good special teamer, but I didn't see anything more than that. So that to me was, I was surprised by that selection there. Upton Stout. Solid nickel corner. I love the competitiveness, the toughness. CJ West we talked about earlier today. And then of the Watkins James Siegel picks, Watkins probably intrigues me the most. I think Watkins. Yeah, he had a good workout at the combine

from a positional standpoint. Jordan, anytime a running back gets thrown into the Shanahan offense, that intrigues me. He means he's a future eagle. Right, yeah, right. So Jordan James. Jordan James will be an eagle in 2027. There we go.

Let's do the Detroit Lions. Yeah. Not a ton of picks for the Lions, but Ty Leak Williams, the big defensive tackle from Ohio State, at 28 overall, then Tate Ratledge from Georgia, the guard, Isaac to Slaw, the wide receiver from Arkansas, and then Miles Frazier and Ahmed Hassanine.

Very, very Lions draft. Like this is just like a handful of just lunch pal players. You know, Tileak Williams, I think is a sturdy nose tackle type with light feet. Tate Rattledge, I was selling him yesterday for you guys as a possible option for the Eagles in the second round. I think he's a good starting guard. Test law, that was probably a little early for me. big, strong, athletic upside. But, I mean, he started his career at Hillsdale College

and then transferred up to Arkansas and just has not been productive in the SEC. That said, the athletic testing was great and hadn't dropped a pass in two years. So there's something there. We've talked about Miles Frazier a lot. I like the versatility there. He's strong.

I thought he had the ability to be a nice swing backup. And we talked about Hassanine when the pick was made. They've got two seventh rounders coming up. Should we do the Chiefs? Sure. Make the trade down with the, Eagles at 31 and get Josh Simmons, presumably their left tackle of the future once what's his name who they signed doesn't work out.

Out of curiosity, who was the fifth or oh, well, you'll get to that. But can you just point out which the fifth round pick they got from the Eagles when you get there? Oh, sure. Yeah. Omar Norman Lott, who you liked a lot at the end of the second round, the defensive tackle from Tennessee. Ashton Jolati, but you also like the defensive lineman from Louisville, Noel Williams,

Jailen Royals, and Jeffrey Bossa. Yeah. No, this is, I think that was the pick. Jeffrey Bossa was the Eagles pick. 156. I saw, I'm seeing it as it came from Pittsburgh. Okay. So it was 154 or whatever.

They may have dealt it. Yeah. But we've smelt it. Right. Yeah. I mean, Simmons, I think he could be their left tackle the present, honestly. Like he told me that he wins that job. That wouldn't shock me.

Omar Norman Lott. I loved the film. I talked about like upfield penetrator, plays a million miles an hour. I think he's got an ability to be a really impactful player in that scheme. We talked about Jaladi. earlier. Noel Williams is a perfect scheme fit. They love their long press corners and Williams is exactly that. I worry a little bit about the speed and the twitch, the top of routes. Jalen Royals in the fourth round makes some sense for them. You know, they just get the ball in his

hands. He's got, I guess, some Rishi Rice to his game. You know, when you look at his size, just get the ball to him and let him work. And Jeffrey Bossa, the linebacker from Oregon, middle linebacker, didn't wow me with his athleticism, good senior bowl week, physicality, the intangibles all stand out there, but I wasn't moved by him from a physical standpoint. All right. Last one I'm going to give you. Okay.

Let's give a little, uh, J.G, because this is one that people are going to love, and everybody won Walter Nolan. They get him in the first round. Yeah. Then they go Will Johnson in the second round.

Jordan Birch, Cody Simon, Denzel Burke, Hayden Connor. Yeah, this is a good draft. You know, Walter Nolan, really good player, as we've discussed,

Will Johnson, getting him in the fifth, or in the second round in the 15th pick of the second round, I think is a great fit for them. You know, he can be that ball hawk, on the boundary.

He's going to be an outside corner. I think that that fits in perfectly with what they needed. You know, opposite the Philly kid, Max Melton, the local kid, I should say, Max Melton. Garrett Williams on the interior, that's turning into a good secondary.

They continued to load up on defense as well. Jordan Birch is an intriguing inside, outside, you know, big defensive end or a light defensive tackle. Cody Simon, they drafted earlier today. One year starter at linebacker from Ohio State, but core four special teams player, athletic. the ability to beat blocks and find the football a little bit concerning.

I saw more of a high-end backup than low-end starter, but my guess is Nick Rallis put his stamp of approval on that pick. I like the other player, Denzel Burke, the corner, a little bit more, four-year starter. It can be frustrating. There were spurts of low-level of play. Zach outlined earlier. He had some clunkers this year, but I'm fine with that talent in round five.

And then round six, Hayden Connor, long-time starter for Texas. I think that's, you know, you're getting your experience into your alignment in round six, and they've got a seventh rounder coming up. You gonna get going? Yeah, in about two minutes. I was just gonna go through the super chats and then close it out and thank everybody. Absolutely.

DJ, aka Mr. Sandman, Pikachu is clearly that furry creature that turns into a gremlin when it gets wet. Point counterpoint, Sean Adkins says, what is squirrel? What is pidgey? Of course, Pikachu is a mouse. Listen, I gotta take the L. I disagree.

I still in my mind, I'm not thinking of him as a mouse. He's a piquile. But all the Pokemon scholars are telling me he's a mouse. I can't, I can't fight that. I'm not anti-science, you know. You got to take the experts word. I'll disagree.

Okay. Do your own research. Vincent Pellegrini. Yeah. If Ty Robinson becomes what Ujima was last year, are you happy? Well, you know what? Yeah. I don't dislike the Ty Robinson pick.

I mean, I like the profile quite a bit. He's an older player. I think that's what we kept pointing out. But the profile is intriguing in terms of the combination of athleticism, size, and production. So you like that. And yeah, if he's a rotational, he'll be versatile on the line of scrimmage, right? They can use him in multiple spots. If he can play 20% of the snaps, that's a great outcome for the Eagles next year.

For sure. Yeah, so absolutely no issue there. Shea. you all have been amazing. Thanks, fam. Thank you, Shea. Vince again, who should we be looking at for a UDFA? Wow, Vince.

Yeah. Let's wait. We got to wait until the seventh round. Well, we can't do that because we don't know who's going to get drafted. That's the thing. Yeah. But I would imagine skill guys, like that's where they're going to have to hit. First off, you need wide receivers in general to fill out your roster and training camp, right?

That's the spot where you have the most players as it is. But they especially need to hit that. on the undrafted market. Ricky White, the third's my guy. Him and Mumfield. I just feel like Ricky White's going to get taken. I think so too, right? Someone's going to love him, right?

Then a 9-9-9-9-Rexamon. Now, Restrepo and Teddison haven't gone. The Restrepo one would surprise me just because of the 40-time. We talked about that with Coach Flynn last week, this week, whenever it was. And then I'd like to, yeah, I mean, a tight end. Brining stool is still out there.

Motivow is still out there. Yeah. Simon. Your boy? Josh Hill? Josh Simon? I said him. I said Simon. Did you?

Yeah. Running backs. yarn still hasn't gone Damien Martinez still hasn't gone La Quint Allen still hasn't gone Let me ask you guys this real quick It's funny that they brought Lequint Allen in for a visit Made 10 picks including

Like 14 in rounds four at five and six And didn't take him Well he might have been a local local day If a which player Who is on the roster coming into today Improve their chances of making team the most this weekend And whose job kind of is in More peril after the weekend

and I'll go first here. And I would say Harrison Bryant, I think, has a better chance of making the team now than going into the weekend. Would it be the guy? And then I don't know if I would say Thomas Booker because he might be the backup nose. But you know what?

I'm going to go with maybe Louis C. Okay, let's a good one. Louis C. I would go Trevor Keegan. Oh, that's probably much better. That's where I should have gone. I'm thinking of it more at the top of the roster. Like, who is this draft the best for?

Who is it the worst for? It's the worst for Sydney Brown. Yes. For sure. Yeah. And it's probably the best for Tyler Steen. Good point. Steen or Kenyon Green, right?

That they didn't add an offensive lineman who could compete to start right away at right guard. I think that would be my big takeaway. It's a really good point. Yeah. Super chat from Jason who says all these video likes and still no nipples, he's not doing it. You're not getting that, but I promise. promise you, you're going to get a heck of an offseason from me.

We're already there, dude. Well, no. You can have way through. Our off season, no. The off season really begins after the draft. Okay. Yeah. The off season really begins after the draft. So, yeah, I'm committed to doing my best shows.

Well, I have committed before then. Shots fired at all the shows you've done since. No, but, no. None of them will ever touch that Brandon Brooks episode. Well, no. Honestly, Fran's been awesome. This is a great. It's been a great draft.

But yeah. We're going to do an episode in the summer along the lines of the once great Jeffrey Lurie era draft where the three of us are going to draft rosters ourselves from the three Super Bowl Eagles teams of the past 10 years. I love that.

You see, you're so good at this, man. That sounds like that. Unbelievable. No one could have ever thought of such a good idea. My last question for you guys. And we're going to also do another episode this offseason, which I'm very excited about, we are finally

finally going to unveil the hidden vault Brandon Chub interview from Super Bowl Media Week. Everyone's been waiting for this. Wait till you see this interview. We're doing

a full Brandon Chubb episode. These people are watching right now. We're going to finally play it. Steve Whitaker, thanks for the super chat. Fran, let me ask you this. What do you want to hear from Howie? All the process stuff. Okay.

Good question. I haven't even thought about it. You can text me. Yeah, I'll text you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I love getting like the, just inside the money, because that's all the stuff I keep,

no, the things and notes on. So all the process stuff for sure. Okay. Good stuff, everybody. Are we wrapping it up? Yeah, why not? All right, perfect. Then I'll say, fill in.

Yeah. Oh, okay. All right. The Eagles. The Super Bowl defending. Philadelphia Eagles. Go Jahad Campbell. Andrew Mukuba. Ty Robinson.

Mack McWilliams. Smile Mondin Jr. Drew Kendall. Kyle McCord. Miles Hinton. Cameron Williams and Antoine Powell Ryland. A defense heavy draft. Only two picks in the first three rounds, but a bunch of day three volume.

Guys competing for spots. We'll see how it plays out. We'll see if they're able to do anything to improve the offense over the first. next couple months. Should be fun to follow. Thank you so much. If you're interested in watching film of these players,

there's like two spots left. Yeah, we only got a couple spots left. So make sure you jump over to all p.hly.com. You can watch some film with me, with, I think, with Bowen Zach, right? You guys would be there? Yes. Yes.

So it'll be a lot of fun. Join us. We've got only literally like two spots left. There's not a lot of tickets left. So if you want to jump in, we did one for free agency. It was a blast. So come and join us.

May 6th. Take advantage of that now while you can. One more tent poll event of the off season. That's the schedule release on May 14th. We're going to do a prime time show that night. That'll be presented by our friends at Philly Sports Trips. So check that out as well. And I got to say, thank you to all the people who have said nice words about Baby Wolf.

And everybody here for being so supportive. That's very nice. And we appreciate that. Thank you to all of our sponsors over the course of the weekend, especially Papp's Light and True Mark Financial, our presenting sponsors. Thank you to Julia, to Brenna, to Chris, to Andrew, to Bree for making it all happen. Thanks to Zach for being a superstar, Fran for being unbelievable.

And thank you most of all to you, the sickos. We will talk to you on Monday at 2 o'clock, same old time. And for all of us here at P.H.O.I. We thank you for watching and listening. I hope you enjoyed the draft weekend. And of course, for Fival and Pikachu, as always, we love you. Mayor