PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles NFL Draft Show, Round 1: Alabama's Jihaad Campbell!

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

The defending Super Bowl champions moved up one spot from No. 32 to No. 31 in order to select Alabama's Jihaad Campbell, who might be a linebacker or might be an edge player but was a top-10 player on the Eagles' board according to Howie Roseman. The PHLY Eagles Draft show was live from the start of Round 1 all the way through the end of the night, with ALLCITY's NFL Draft expert Fran Duffy, our Eagles Insider Zach Berman and Bo Wulf breaking down every pick as it happened, including the Giants' mystifying trade up for Jaxson Dart. What does Jihaad Campbell bring to Vic Fangio's defense? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello. And happy birthday, Meg Duffy. And welcome to the PHLY, PHLY Draft Day Live show brought to you by PAPS-Lite and TrueMark Financial Credit Union. Visit papslite.com for more information and head over to trumark.com for more details. We are here for night one of the NFL draft. We're going to be here all weekend long. And who do we have?

We have Zach Berman, our Eagles Insider. If you watched last year, you know that the Eagles picks, most of them, including Night 1, Quinyon Mitchell, were broken by another than Zach Berman. So hopefully we get a little remix of that. Zach, welcome to the show. How are you doing? Thrilled to be here. One of my favorite weekends of the year. I love this.

It's even better this year for the reasons you're about to mention. But this is awesome. This is going to be a long time tonight, long time this weekend, and nowhere else I would rather be. and no one else I would rather be here with than the two of you. And I would say everyone behind the camera as well. Absolutely. And you and I are the bread here and the meat in the middle is Fran Duffy. Our all-city NFL draft expert.

Fran, your first time getting all teams that you get to cover, all prospects that you get to cover all weekend. We're going to be here. We're very excited to have you. Yeah, I'm very excited. Look, this draft is going to be as unpredictable as any I can remember. So I'm excited for chaos tonight. Even if it doesn't start with a trade at the top,

it's going to be a really fun night from one to 32. All right. Well, let's get into it from an Eagles perspective. By virtue of having won the Super Bowl. Is that right? The Eagles get to pick 32nd in the first round tonight. At least they are scheduled to pick 32nd. They have eight picks over the course of the next three days. Some might say that given the youth on the roster

and how well they did in the draft last year, that the future is bright for the Philadelphia. Eagles. Of course, we're talking about the Shady Ray's Future is Bright segment. Let's get into it because here's the deal. The Eagles have those eight picks. They've got some targets. They might be looking to move up. They might be

looking to move down. It should be an exciting week for the Eagles after what they did last year getting Quinn-Jon Mitchell, Cooper DeGine, Jalix Hunt, the building blocks of this young dynamic defense. You're right. And I should say, too, that the pick last year, the 32nd overall pick was at 11.52

p.m. Oh, right? Now, I don't think the Eagles are going to draft at 11.52 p.m. Because I don't think the Eagles are going to draft at 32. And we'll get into the trade up or... Turkey's to the draft kingdom coming up. Or trade down. But as far as the future is bright, yeah, part of the reason why the future is bright in Philly

and why they won the Super Bowl is because of this organizational philosophy. The Howie Roseman adheres to that predates Howie, but Howie is a believer in building along the lines of scrimmage. And every year, so this is my 14th year covering the Eagles, I hear they might go with a non-traditional position. And nine of the 13 picks, Howie's made in the first round, have been along the lines of scrimmage. So what am I expecting tonight for this future is bright?

O-line, D-line, or edge rusher. It would surprise me if the Eagles, if they draft in the first round, it's different if they trade back, or if they draft in the first round, if it's not a premium position. Well, we're coming off the heels of them, having drafted two corners.

Sure, and that was an exception. and going to the Super Bowl. But I think that's obviously something to keep in mind. That is the way that they build. And in terms of the future is bright here, we also have to keep in mind. They have 11 probably picks scheduled for next year's draft, including likely three third round picks, would not be a surprise to see them dealing from that stash

over the course of this weekend in order to move up. Exactly. Howie Roseman uses the picks as assets. And you see it. These are chips. I don't expect him to finish this draft with the same draft inventory next year that he has now. And there's plenty of time to replenish whatever he might give up. But I could see them using those picks as sweetener.

I should also add that Howie, in his history, typically trades up in the first round. He's traded back on draft night twice in the first round, five times he's traded up. So typically the way it works for him is if there's a player he wants and it's getting close, he'll use some of those picks he has as sweeteners that try to move up. And Fran, given the makeup of this year's draft class, you hear that it's pretty flat from like 10 to 40. There's not a huge difference between those guys. Given that, everybody's saying teams want to move back,

maybe the Eagles see that as a bit of a market inefficiency. Maybe they can move up for less than they have in the past. Why don't we talk about some of the Eagles targets? If they do want to move up, let's flash up our list of potential Eagles targets tonight and it starts with guys who would be move up candidates who among those players there do you think is realistic for the Eagles yeah I to me and look the what's going to make this side talk about the unpredictability of this first round you know Walter Nolan I feel good about him going in the top 15 a lot of mock drafts have him going number 11 in San Francisco that's where my final

mock had him going as Zach astutely pointed out on his seven round mock draft this morning Daniel Jeremiah had him falling out of the first round available for the Eagles of 32 and that just gives you an idea of the wide variance of outcomes that we could see here with this draft. And so when you look at a Walter Nolan and Mikel Williams, right off the bat, like that's two players. I'm like, yeah, those guys are probably out of reach. The Eagles also thought that Quinnion Mitchell was going to be out of reach last year, or at least that he was not going to fall to their draft slot. And so I think when you're looking at it, who are the realistic possibilities in my mind? I think you're looking at Mike Green. I think you're looking at Malachi Starks. I don't know

that they would trade up for Malachi Starks, as Zach just alluded to. I think if you're looking at safety, that's more, hey, he falls to them at 32 and there's no better option there. I think they would love Malachi Stark. I think they love the player. But for all the reasons that Zach pointed out, I think it's probably more likely that they go in a different direction. Mikel Williams, who think a player they would move up for, Zach? I do.

Now, this is the thing. This is a young guy. Yeah, it's worth pointing out that we don't know of a top 30 visit for Michael Williams. Now, sometimes there's top 30 visits that are kept under wraps. the nuance this year because I'm like we can all count the 30 there's been 30 but some of them

might count as local visits which don't count against the 30 so there is a chance that the Eagles brought in players but and we've discussed this when you're drafting 32 it might be hard to get a guy who's expected to go in the top 20 to come to you because either his agent doesn't want

a signal that they think he could drop or he just wants to you know they want to spend their time going to places where they think they're going to end up. But I think from a profile perspective, Mikel Williams makes a lot of sense for the Eagles in terms of the playing style, like you mentioned, the age, the frame, obviously the position, the history they have at Georgia. If they were able to trade up for Michael Williams, that to me would be a slam dunk. Yeah, I mean, those top 30 visits are also information gathering. And they have lots of touchpoints to be able to find out enough about Michael Williams.

I don't think they would need a pre-dial visit for him necessarily. You mentioned Mike Green, Donovan and Azarako, as a Raku is also on there from Boston College. Josh Simmons is an interesting one to me, and I do believe that from a, you know, Howie Roseman telling the story standpoint, boy, can I hear him saying, listen, this is a guy who we think is probably the best tackle in the draft. If he didn't suffer that injury, he would have been a top 10 pick.

This is our chance to get a premium player at 32. That's sort of how we view it. Or even a slight little move up. Yeah, and this is another example of a player, much like Walter Nolan, where the opinions and the feelings on where he's going to go in this draft are wide varied. He's another player that Daniel Jeremiah had falling out of the first round, his mock draft. You see him going as high as 15 or 16, going to the Arizona Cardinals at 16.

And he can go anywhere in between the interviews. It was kind of a mixed bag in talking with teams. And then obviously he's coming off the Pateler injury. And so when you have those two complicating factors there with a very talented player, it's going to be interested to see where he ends up. Do the Eagles try and trade up for him? or do they wait for him to fall down to 32? It feels like Kansas City is the team that has been most locked into him.

They're picking obviously one slot ahead of the Eagles. So a lot of reason to think that he would not get past there. If he were healthy, would he be the first offensive tackle off the board? Well, if he were healthy, then you'd only have the one complicating factor in terms of the interview. I don't think that would have changed the interviews. Now, my guess is he would be up there. He would be with Membu. He would be with Kelvin Banks.

He would be with Will Campbell as one of the first tackles off this board. I think the way Beau framed it is absolutely right. And that's what Howie would say is that it's a rarer opportunity. And if there's any position where the Eagles are able to be patient right now, it's offensive line. And so if you have a guy who you grade as the top offensive tackle in the draft, now, that was also the rationale for Andre Dillard. And it didn't work out. But this is different circumstances for him falling than how Andre Dillard fell.

And then the rest of the players on that list. Mason Taylor, the LSU tight end. Tyler Booker, the guard from Alabama. and Nick Scorton, the Texas A&M edge, and then Luther Burton III, the Missouri wide receiver, another player who could go as early as like 15, could last to like 45. I know you are a big fan of Luther Burden.

That would add an interesting dynamic to the Eagles offense. Yeah, no question. You're talking about one of the more dynamic playmakers in this class, certainly at wide receiver. I think when you look at burden, my gut tells me that he would be one of these surprise picks of the first round if he were to go this high. I think that it's more likely that he were to fall into the 30s

and potentially into the four. tomorrow Friday for day two of the draft. Mason Taylor is going to be an interesting one, guys. I think the ceiling there is 22 to the L.A. Chargers. I think the L.A. Rams would be another one at 26 that I would keep an eye on. Washington commanders potentially as well, even though they spent a day two pick on the tight end position, I've heard them connected to Mason Taylor as well throughout the process. And a player, I think, who the ceiling is a question for, given the lack of explosiveness.

But that's more of an evaluation. On my part, yes. than a prognostication decision. Yes. All right. That'll close it out for the Future is Bright segment. Thanks to Shade your radius for making that happen. Now, let's take a bit of a step back here because the Titans are on the clock at number one.

We all expect Cam Ward to be the pick here. But rumors abound that there might be some fireworks at number two, Fran. Now, you have your final mock draft that went out this morning. What do you think is going to happen here? Yeah, in that mock draft, I left the door open for Cleveland potentially trading down. And because obviously there was the Petrigger report on Wednesday morning. You can check this out, by the way, on all p.shol.com. You need to become a diehard.

We're fighting with Dallas, tooth and nail. You can't let us lose to Dallas. No. So become a diehard. And by the way, if you are a diehard, the best place to watch everything we've got going on. There's a great hub. Yes. If you are a diehard on all p.hly.com where you can watch the show,

but it's also got like a live breakdown of the picks being made. Fran's best players available. Great place to watch. all weekend long. Yeah. So when you're looking at the Cleveland Browns, my understanding is if they were to trade down out of this spot, the player that they would be targeting would be Michigan defensive tackle

Mason Graham. I know that there's a mouth. It could be an offensive lineman. From what I understand, they are trying to prioritize getting a defensive tackle to put next to Miles Garrett. That is the based off conversations I had a couple of weeks ago as the pro day circuit was starting to cycle down. And so for me, as soon as I saw,

all right, the Cleveland's looking to trade down, I sent a couple texts out. I was like, if that happens, is it on Mason Graham? And that's what it feels like it would be for Graham. $36 for the year is the deal you can get for a diehard. You're getting Fran Duffy breaking things down. He might be breaking some picks tonight, given those conversations. It sounds to me like you are implying that part of the contract terms of Miles Garrett's extension

where that he gets to sort of be the de facto GM. I don't know if I quite go to that level, but I think that, yeah, they want to continue to get him, some help along that defensive line. Look, I don't think they're moving off that spot unless they get blown away by an offer. And before people freak out, I'm like, oh, why would they give up on Travis Hunter? Why would they select Mason Graham instead?

It's Mason Graham plus what I would anticipate to be a future first round pick and multiple day two selections, even just going down three spots. So that's what I think the asking price would be. I also mentioned in that mock draft that Jacksonville at 5, they will stay put and take Ashton Gentie,

but they want to move up for Hunter. If they also be open to moving back, again, this is leading to the unpredictability we're seeing here over these last few hours. So, oh, I'm sorry. So once Cleveland did that, though, could you see them move back again, right? Because Genti could be appealing to a team like Chicago, for instance.

Do you think they would just sit there at 5 and take Mason Graham? Or do you think it's, all right, Andrew Barry, you've already done it now. Just keep going, keep getting picks. I think if it wasn't specifically for Graham, I think they would be open to that, but I don't think they would want to risk losing Graham. Interesting.

I think if Graham were to fall to eight, I think that Carolina would love Mason Graham to become a Carolina Panther to go with your boy, Dan Morgan. And so I think that if that were to happen, then they would lose out on Mason Graham. All right. Adam Schaefter has broken it. The terms are out and the trade has been made.

The Cleveland Browns are trading the number two overall pick, a fourth round pick and a sixth round pick this year, to the Jacksonville Jaguars in exchange for number five overall. a second round pick this year. So that's number 36 overall. A fourth round pick this year. And their 2026 first round pick for Jacksonville. So they moved down three spots, pick up a second this year,

and a first round pick next year. And then there's some day three going back and forth. It's a lot. It's a lot. Travis Hunter is a great player, and they're going to use him on offense. My guess is they're going to let him play both ways, but they want to fluff up Trevor Lawrence.

They want to make him the best version of himself. And so to me, that's why that's what got my spidey sense going off about Jacksonville, not taking Mason Graham there at five overall when I did that seven round rock last week. Obviously, it's been a lot since that it's going to be Ashton Genty. I think it was more about just surrounding Trevor Lawrence with playmakers, and now they're going to get the best playmaker in this draft. I like it. Big move.

Yeah, I like it for Cleveland as intrigued as I am by Travis Hunter. and there's absolutely reason to think. Like, you know, I understand why Jacksonville would go up and try to get him because you say generational player, certainly from a unique perspective, you know, you hear the term unicorn. There aren't a lot of players like this who've come wrong, who have, who've been out there since I've started covering football. That said, Cleveland, they swung for Deshaun Watson and missed mightily.

And they're in a real tough spot now. they get the number two pick in a year when we've discussed it. I'm not enthralled by the quarterbacks in this class. So what do you do for quarterback? Well, you don't know for certain that next year's class is going to be better, but it certainly looks that way based on the quarterbacks in college football this year. So if nothing else, now they get the optionality next year. We'll see how they turn out.

But now you have that Jacksonville pick, the inventory that they're able to build after not having first-round picks here under, you know, since they traded for Watson, and it makes sense. I know it's tough to give up a player like Hunter and I don't like trading down three spots when there's not that player who's like, all right, you're going to end up with him. If you're trading down two spots,

maybe you're ending up with, you know, Abdul Carter, but three spots in what I think is like a two-player draft. Right. It's tough. But as you say, they're high on Mason Graham. And just from an asset perspective, I totally get it. From the other side of things, you think about James Gladstone

coming from the Rams where they have, have this sort of hubris about being able to outdo the draft, right? And they don't really care about necessarily volume at the top of the draft. Give us the stars. It's sort of a Stars and Scrubs type build, right? And then they think that they can make up for it with overperforming on late-round picks. If you believe that, if you believe that you have, you know, figured something out about day three picks, this makes sense.

It's a big swing to take, though. It's a big swing to take in the first year of a regime. It is, I get the idea. I do, but it's a big swing on a player that has not played wide receiver full-time. I love Travis Hunter, but that is a lot to give up for this one player who, look. And he's going to move to me. He's two players in one. Yeah, well, we'll see if he's two players from one.

The jury is out there. I love Travis Hunter the player, but this is going to be fascinating to see this play out down in Jacksonville. Wow. Fireworks off the top. Now, I should mention, since we're talking about the diehards, that we have a fun event coming up later in a couple weeks on May 6th. Yes. Fran Duffy here at the PHLY Studios is going to break down all the players who the Eagles

have drafted over the course of draft weekend. And so when the Eagles trade up to number four and draft Will Campbell, Fran's going to break it down. And so there's only a handful of spots left. You need to sign up for that now. Get in, ask any of the people who are here for the free agency. breakdown. A lot of fun. Get to sort of, you know, come around here, see what, what it's like at the offices. But more importantly, you get to do some guys with friends. Very excited.

We had a lot of fun for the free agency on. So I think this draft one will be a lot of fun as well. I have an interesting framing device for this trade from Jacksonville's perspective. Let's hear it. James Gladstone, who looks up to Lesneed more than like I think any man's ever looked up to another man before. A little bit creepily. But during their time together in Los Angeles. Lesney traded a first round pick for Brandon Cooks. He traded a first round. He traded multiple first round picks, but for for Jalen Ramsey. Effectively, you can say, now, this isn't exactly the case, but you just acquired Brandon Cooks and Jalen Ramsey in one. And what I mean by that is if you get a guy who, as Coach Flynn told us on the show on Monday, is like just an

outstanding wide receiver, and you get a player who you think is clearly the top cornerback in the draft, I've, I've heard coaches say there's not enough time in the week. to prepare for both, but it's like getting Otani, right? It helps you both ways. And so if you look at it from that perspective, they just traded next year's first round pick for the top wide receiver and the top corner in this draft. It's one way you can rationalize the move.

Yeah, I mean, he's desperately hoping to get a text from less than eight tonight. Yes, yes. Just some semblance of a sense of approval. Please, notice me less. It's a bold move. It is. It's very cool. Yeah, I don't hate the move for Jacksonville,

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Now, our big draft segment, here's what we're going to do. We've each done five bold predictions heading into the weekend. So our big draft segment as for what we expect to happen over the course of this weekend, but going out on a limb are bold predictions. How should we start? Who wants to go first? You can go, sir, sack. All right.

You're the one. You're the big brother. Yeah. He's experienced big brother here. So you should lead us off. Sure. So these are round one predictions. The first one, at least three quarterbacks go in the first round.

Oh, nice. And I think quarterbacks always get pushed up the board. I'm expecting the New York Giants to take a quarterback. I think Shador Sanders is in play for Pittsburgh at 21, but I think the Giants are going to trade up to get Jackson Dart. You believe this Jackson Dart stuff. I do. I do.

I am buying that. But I think three quarterbacks go tonight. I know this is not a great quarterback draft class. There's too many teams that need a quarterback. And so I'm expecting three quarterbacks to go off the board tonight. Okay. The next one here. Do you believe that, friend?

No, we'll hear from that in my bold predictions. Oh, okay. All right, all right. The next one here. Only two non-travis Hunter wide receivers go. in the first round. Okay. So.

Matthew Golden, Ted McMillan. Yeah. So, yeah, now maybe Matthew Golden slips and a Mecca, Agbuka goes, but I think Ted McMillan and Matthew Golden, I think there's not going to be that run on wide receivers tonight. Okay. Am I wrong there? No, I feel I'm actually on par with you for one of my bold predictions.

Similar one there. Okay. Here you go. A Michigan player goes number 13 overall. Okay. So this is where the Miami Dolphins. pick. Okay.

So perhaps it's the Miami Dolphins taking a Michigan player. Now, if it's not Mason Graham, that certainly limits the pool. But it could be Will Johnson, although he's someone who could be slipping as well. We'll see. Maybe Kenneth Grant. That could be too high. Maybe somebody's trading ahead of the Colts to get Colston Loveland. Well, that was, it could be Denver trying to get Colston Loveland.

So I think I have a Michigan player going number 13 overall. Like that? This next one here. This is the Josh Tackles. Josh Connerly goes. before Josh Simmons. And now I sent these to Brenna. There's a timestamp on this before I saw Daniel Jeremiah's mock last night.

So I had just assumed that Josh Simmons was going to go in the first round. But I thought Josh Connerly was going to be the surprise here. I think teams really, you know, I kept hearing because obviously the Eagles had them in, like trying to learn more about Connerley. And I think teams really like him, maybe more so than we've discussed on this set. And then the last one here, the Eagles draft before the commanders. And the reason I say that is because I think the Eagles are candidates to move up. But I also think the commanders are candidates to move out of the first round. They're a team that's traded some picks already.

Adam Peters is on, their GM is on record as saying he likes the tradeback. So I think the Eagles draft before the commanders. That's a good one. And it does play into the Eagles hands if they want to move up. there are a handful of teams from like 22 on who would have incentive, extra incentive to move back, given some picked deficiencies. So that's a good one. I like that one. Now, last year, I think you nailed all of these last year? I did not nail all of them. I had Drake May going to the Vikings. Okay. Well, they're bold, so they're supposed to be less than 50%.

So, you know, if you hit most of them, that's pretty good. But I had the cornerbacks going late last year, and I had the offensive tackles going early last year. But I thought one of those offensive tackles would go to the Eagles, and I was wrong about that. All right. Let's hear from yours, friend. Real quick, the Giants are taking Abdul Carter. Did you break that?

I know. It's not broken. It's not, but the pick is in on the broadcast, but I got a text during when Zach's back. Number three overall, the New York Giants building up their pass rush in the vision of the Super Bowl teams they've had on the past,

but do you think that this means that Kavon Tibado could be on the move? I don't get that sense yet. You know, obviously time will tell there, but I think that they are fine going in, with one of the deeper defensive lines in football. I think that's what their goal is with this selection. And then, Zach, do you think that Abdul Carter will retire instead of playing for an Eagles

rival? No, I do not. I think he's going to enjoy it, but maybe five years from now, just like Sequin did, just like Azizzo Jollari did. After four years, he comes down to Philly. By the way, Fran, I don't want to speak for Bo, the best host in the business, but you have license when you have news, interrupt me, okay? I don't care if I'm on a roll.

Interrupt me. News takes precedent. I think this event in particular is one where we don't have to be second screen. We can be first screen. I think we're better than the alternative. You know, it's like, look, look, yeah. If you're watching a game, right, we can't give you the game, right? We can just give you.

So we're the second screen for that. But this here, you can get the information here. You're going to get better commentary. You can get Eagle specific commentary. Make this your first screen tonight, not your second screen. I like that. Yeah. Oh, well, we'll see.

Good, new state's priority. That's good today. Wow, I mean, that's the least bold thing that we could have been talking from Zach. Ah, yeah, yeah, we cover, yeah. Oh, you covered that. Off air, actually, yeah. Off air, had to break. But if I can just give one piece of Pope commentary here as someone who's,

I'm fascinated. The coverage is like a college football coach leaving. It's like I literally saw the next day the 10 candidates to be the next pope. And I'm thinking, you know. Yeah, the pizza guy. Like you entered the portal. Yeah. I'm like, wow.

Like this is, you know, they, they had this ready to go. I didn't know that there was such a Pope of a Pope pipeline. So, yeah, but I did, my thoughts are with the Pope's. Of course. Yeah. And everyone, the Pope's family and everyone who knows the Pope. Yeah. And Mormons.

Everyone, yes. All right. All right, Fran, your bold predictions. My bold predictions. So I'm going to go with my first one was quarterback related. I have only one quarterback gets drafted on Thursday night. And that will be Cam Ward, the quarterback that went to the Tennessee Titans out of the University of Miami. I think that that run on quarterbacks could start a little bit later, could start in the early part of round two.

So we'll see. I do think that there's a possibility, but we wanted to go bold. So I'm going to say one quarterback gets drafted here tonight. My next one. I think you can judge who's boldest as well. Well, we'll let Danes make that call. There you go. Although you disagree.

He hates that. Yeah, yes, exactly. the same number of wide receivers and tight ends get drafted tonight. Okay. So basically, I think that three tight ends could get drafted, and I think that we could see three receivers, including Travis Hunter. So I'm on. Oh, so Travis Hunter counts here.

Yes, I'm counting Travis Hunter there. So Travis Hunter plus two, same number as tight ends. So that's my gut there. No pure linebackers get drafted on Thursday, because it feels like most people view Jalen Walker as an edge rusher. So no Jahad Campbell? No Jahad Campbell. Wow.

Yeah, I think I think Jehad Campbell falls out. You know, just the medical, that's public. That's out there in terms of he had shoulder surgery after the combine. Sounds like he might have to start the year on the NFI list. So that I think is going to affect his draft slot here on Thursday night. This next one is bold. No more than one trade happens once the draft begins. So I was, obviously, I said this morning.

I didn't think that a trade was going to happen between Jacksonville and Cleveland. I figured there was plenty of smoke there. I knew it was possible, but I didn't think they'd be able to get it done. I didn't think Jacksonville was going to give up what was required. So now I need no trades to happen the rest of the wraps. We'll see. Maybe you could argue that the Jags one was really agreed to before the draft started. Yeah, but I said, well, it's once the draft began.

So I'll stay true to that, a man of honor. This one's just for you. A player who turns to, is in his age 25 seasons. So he could be 25 now or turns 25 before. the end of this year gets drafted tonight. So we're talking Tyler Shuck, which we're going against my other. We're talking, Darius Alexander, the defensive tackle from Toledo. I've heard some buzz with him in the last few days.

So yeah, there were a few players that I think kind of fit that bill. Man, I mean, hang up your cleats as a GM if you're doing that on night one. I'll give you my five bold predictions as well. We start with... Just got to see it. The Eagles pick twice in the top 50. Wow. Okay.

So I am expecting, I am expecting them to move up from 64. Okay. And that would mean, I think they can move up quite a bit. So that's a pretty bold one. I think the Eagles are going to pick twice in the top 50. That could be a move down from 32 in conjunction. It could also be a small move up from 32 and still having the equity from the future picks

and also the third rounder this year. Number two, aside from the Steelers, any GM who drafts the second and third quarterback in this draft and any GM who drafts Tyler Shuck in this draft is fired next off season. We're waiting this out. Yeah, but I feel pretty good about this one. I actually don't even know that this is bold.

This feels like just right down the middle. I mean, I'm sorry. If you're using a first-round pick on Jackson Dart or even Shudor Sanders, I think there's a chance, you're probably getting canned. Now, I guess Mickey Loomis would be a good. litmus test for this one because he's got permanent job security. But I think I feel pretty good about that one. Yeah. Tyler Booker, I've been feeling this that in this draft where nobody

loves anybody, somebody's going to fall in love with Tyler Booker because of all the intangibles that we've heard. Yeah. And you think that you're getting a plug and play like above average guard from day one in a draft where you sort of have to talk yourself into the guys at premium in positions. I think Tyler Booker may get overdrafted relative to expectations. James Pierce, Jr. Zach's guy? I'm going, he doesn't get drafted in the top 50.

Oh, man. Do you have news? Well, no, Jay, I had him 15 in my mock today. James Pierce Jr.? Yeah, 15? I've heard a lot of positive buzz there. I don't feel good about that. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't recommend it, but that's from people who know football. Okay. And then lastly,

given that Zach never sleeps that Fran has been working completely around the clock and I have a four-day old at home. Yeah! We haven't acknowledged that on here yet. We haven't acknowledged that yet. What a reaction.

Can we clip that? Sorry, that was a little, that was that was like Howard Dean. Disgusting. Sorry about that. I'm sorry. We've been sitting here for 35 One of us will fall asleep on air this weekend.

I thought you would say that at the top, I didn't want to make the announcement for you. Like, we've been sitting here. It's been the answer. Sorry, that was a weird reaction. I apologize. I'm through. I can't wait to watch that back later. Congratulations, Bo.

Yes. Well, and mostly congratulations Rachel and the whole Wolf family. That is awesome. But yeah, yeah, that's, that's. Thank you very much. People have been asking me, and I've been saying, it's not my news to share. I mean, it's your news to grunt that. That wasn't a grunt.

That was Howard Dean at the end. It was a release. And congratulations. Thank you very much. We're very happy. And thank you to everybody who has sent kind words. I really appreciate it. I do want to say here that I'm feeling generous tonight.

I'm going to adjust your first prediction. And I'm going to give you till 52, two picks in the 52. And the reason I say that is the Seahawks draft at 50. and 52. So there could be a situation where the Eagles trade down with Seattle. I don't know that I need your charity,

but I appreciate it. It's not charity, no, because this is the thing. Seattle's drafting number 50, right? Yeah. So, so, and because they have those,

those two picks, you can see a situation where both those picks are exchanged. Oh, no. Oh, it's only fair. All of us. All of the time. This is great.

Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo. Bo, Bo, Bo. How about a, Wolf, Wolf, Wolf. How about a, Wolf, Wolf, Wolf. Wolf Wolf. Leah. Oh, there's the name.

There we go. Credit to Joe. Okay. All right. Also, this is from all the sickos. All right. Sickos chipped in. Oh, nice.

This is great. Yes. Great job. Great job by Julia here. Yes. Yeah. Thank you, Julia. And the giraffe.

Jane loves giraffes. So the reason that says baby wolf there is was actually, this was all, this was orchestrated by Julia. She did an outstanding job. And she wanted to be Leah, Leah, Leah, Leah. And I said some people are sensitive about the baby's name. And so we agreed, baby wolf, baby wolf. Baby wolf is good, though. Okay, yeah.

But that's the backstory for why it says Baby Wolf and not Leah. And you can reuse it for next time. Yeah, that's true. Exactly. Now, I will say people did want to know about the name bracket. If it was a boy, I did a lot of work, and I was able to convince Rachel, it was going to be Poo Ragoo Wolf. unfortunately it was a girl well very fortunately it was a girl yeah and we're all very happy so thank you very much how's the sleep been i mean not great that's okay yeah it's you know

you're wired yeah that's what it's all about i mean there's there's nothing better got a little a little a little uh nap on the chest with the with the seven pounder this afternoon this is the best feeling in the world so very happy thank you guys very much absolutely uh the browns take a Mason Graham. Just as you called it. Just as you predicted. Wait, so who did the Patriots take? Will Campbell.

Did take Will Campbell. Yeah. All right. So, wow. Yeah. Rand was all over that. You basically scoop that. Well, I mean, you did.

Mason Graham, I mean, listen. Yeah, I'm with you. You know, to have the number two pick in the draft, and I know you're picking up lots of value, but to enter the draft at number two when you're coming out with Mason Graham, who is like not a perfect. prospect. Yeah, what's your read on Graham? It's not ideal. I like Mason Graham.

Because we didn't talk much about him. Yeah, right. Mason Graham is a good player. Basically, and Beau, I think in the first time we did a draft show, I said it about Will Campbell. I said it about Mason Graham. I said about a lot of these guys at the top. They are good players, but Mason Graham is not Jalen Carter. He's not Quentin Williams. He's getting drafted in the same area of the draft that those guys went. Will Campbell is not these other tackles that have gone in the top five of drafts in recent years. there's just a, there's a tear drop below. I think it's gotten a little bit out of hand.

You know, I've heard some analysts say like, oh, you know, Will Campbell would have been the 19th pick in last year's draft. Like I look awful in that suit. It's a little strong. Yeah, that's not a, you know, he's got those short arms. Yeah, exactly. It's tough to tell those those shoes. He's swimming in that thing.

But I think that at the end of the day, you look at Jim Schwartz and in that defensive scheme that we know, it's one gap, it's shoot up the field. And that's the way that Mason Graham plays. He is going to be that kind of game wrecking presence behind the line of scrimmage for the Cleveland Browns. I do like that fit there schematically.

You pick up the extra first round pick. You pick up all the other assets along the way. I think that that makes sense from that standpoint. You could make the argument that they were probably been better served, taking an offensive lineman. Maybe an arm on Membu there, the tackle out of Missouri. But not with general manager, Miles Garrett. I just say at the end of the day, yeah,

they wanted to get another defensive player up front for Miles Garrett. It's interesting. In the friend Duffy draft guide, or it's the All-City draft guide. I call it the Fran Duffy draft guide. Yeah, the, there's no comp there for Mason Graham. Who would be the comp that would come to your mind? Because he's, I haven't really heard a good comp for him.

Well, the guy that it's somewhat recent, but, and it's not a great comp, because this guy went in the second round, is Braden Fisk. Because he's a high energy, three technique, short arms, compact frame, you know, just played 100 million miles. miles an hour every single snap that's the way that mason graham he's a better player so he's a better he's a better version of braiden fist but it's that kind of player that you're getting in that slot so yeah so that's you know i've seen commentary including from joe bannard who i respect that like this is a horrible jaguars trade um and if you're the browns i i love the inventory that

they got but as as as as as bo mentioned and as we discussed you basically traded the chance you know you you had travis hunter in in your pocket so to speak and uh And now you come out of the first round with a Brayden Fist comp, right? And so that's the flip side to this. Yeah. I'm sure that the Browns probably have better comps internally than Braden Fist. But for me, that was the first player that came to mind. Oh, we got Will Campbell breaking down.

I'm back in on him. I do like Will Campbell. Because the tears? Yeah. Okay. I mean, give me a man who can cry. Oh, his nose is a disaster. Yeah.

This is a very big fan gungle angle on the broadcast. It is. Good for him. All right, let's get into, let's get into Turkey's to the draft kingdom. Yes. Now, this is what many believe is sort of like, who knows ball most of all the pre-draft games that we do.

And over the course of the last four years, actually, this has been won by Bow Wolf last year. In 2023, it was won by Bow Wolf. In 2022, it was won by Bo Wolf. And then in 2021, it was won by Bo Wolf. Okay, yes. Four-time defending champion here. Where does this stack on the games, though?

Well, I think, yeah, this one is most about who knows the Eagles, who knows ball the most. Now, duck, duck juice, I have performed terribly. It is worth noting that that's the one that is done earliest in the draft process. Okay. And then I think the Al-you-No draft is about, it's the most fun. You know, how many darts can you hit? Yeah. That's a fun one.

So, you know, we'll see how it goes. The conceit here is that for the next 12 questions that I have, we're going to disperse 100 turkeys for each of them and then we'll see who has the most turkeys at the end that's the winner. Is everybody ready? Let's do it. All right.

The first question here is the Eagles' first pick of the weekend will be either before 32, at 32, or after 32. I can go first if you want, if you guys need to, if you've already done them. Yeah, because I discussed this on the show with Fran the other day. I'm going 40. before, 40 after, 20 at 32. Okay. I also have 40 before.

I have 27 at 32 and 33 after. I'm going to go with what my gut was the other day, which was after 325. Wow. Before 3230 at 3220. Okay. All right. So you've got a little extra hooch in the Eagles trading down from 32.

Now we go to their second round pick, which is currently at number 64. Before 64, at 64, or after 64, I can go first. I'm putting some turkeys on before 64 here. I'm going 65 turkeys on before 64, 30 on 64, and only five on after 64. Can I get clarification on this? Is this the Eagles just any pick in the second round? Their second pick.

The second pick is. Oh, I'm so, okay, I'm sorry. I read that incorrectly. Their second pick, okay. then I am going to go with 35 at 64, okay. Okay. 40 after 64 and 25 before 64. Interesting.

Oh, you're going the opposite of me. Yes. Because you think they're moving up from 32. So you think they're moving down. I do. And I think if they move down, I'm not seeing the move down and then to move up too as well. Interesting. I think it's just, it's moving down and it's sticking where they are.

I have felt as we go through this exercise, and you said this about doing the seven-round mock, that I do think that there is a drop-off sort of around 50, 55. Interesting. I think the Eagles might be looking to move into, but we'll see how it plays out. Yeah, I'm going to go 40 for before 64, so trade up. I'm going to go with 35 at 64. Okay. So that gives me 25 for after 64.

Okay. All right. Ashton Genties are going to be a raider. All right. Wow. Raiders who have sort of telegraphed this. You thought maybe they were blowing smoke. They did the Princess Bride.

Yes. Yes. Wow. Do you like that? Ashton Genties. I don't love that personally. Yeah, I just, I think it's early. But I get, I understand why they think this is the move for them.

You know what, Julia? I think we got to put a pause in Turkey's to the kingdom. We got to make this our. Ace Hardware Home Services, ice cold pick. The Ice Cold Pick presented by Ace Hardware Home Service, that is for a pick. That's ice cold in a bad way. I just, yeah, I mean, listen, Ashland Genty is awesome to watch. Yeah, exactly.

I think that you can think that he is like shotgunning your offense to mediocrity if it was really bad. But we talked about this over the course of the season, Zach, that teams might learn the wrong lesson from the Saquan Berkeley situation with the Eagles. You put it 100% as I was as I was about to say. I believe

in elite running backs but I think that an elite running back takes a good team and makes it better, right? I don't think an elite running back takes a bad team and makes it good or good enough. It's why I said I'm okay with the Giants not resigning

Sequan last year. My issue was the Giants not trading Saquan when they had the opportunity. So the way I see this, I didn't view the Raiders as they were constructed as a contender. I don't think, especially in that division, you know, they trade for Gino Smith, who's fine, but I don't think he's like a top of the league quarterback. And I think he's the third or fourth quarterback in that division. They don't have an outstanding offensive line, right? We don't know what's going to happen with Colton Miller there.

They certainly don't have like outstanding wide receivers. They have a great tight end. but you just look at that roster. I think Ashton Genty takes a team that was number four last year, okay, or I'm sorry, that was a last place team last year in the AFC West. And maybe he helps them win a game or two. He doesn't make them a Super Bowl contender from my perspective. Yeah, when I've said it a couple times,

referencing Pete Carroll and John Spitex opening presser where Pete Carroll came out and said, all the other places I've been, we've done it, the right way. We've slow burned it and built it slowly. I'm not here to do that now. We're here to compete right now. It's crazy. It's, it does philosophically track with hiring Pete Carroll. Right. You're going to go in and you're going to try and win immediately. And I think that this, nine games. This, exactly right. This raises the floor of this offense. I think, you know, trading for Gino Smith raises the floor of that offense. Now does it's a matter of what, what is that ceiling going to be in one of the hardest divisions of football?

Yeah. I just, listen, he'll be fun to watch. Ashton Genties. rules, I just, it's, it's not the point of the draft. He's also not Sequin. He's not Bijan. Like, I had higher grains of both players. Like, you know, it's, it's like the Mason Graham thing. Like, he's a really good player. But taking him this high, especially for that team, is, is questionable.

Okay. So now the Jets at number seven on the clock, and all along you have sort of told us this is down to Tyler Warren and Armand Membu. Yeah. We'll see how that plays out. I think that the, well, we'll see. I've heard, there's Kelvin Banks buzz as well, and some of the late mocks have swung towards banks.

But I've followed up with my sources on it and feel good about Tyler Warren to that spot. So we'll see. Well, thank you to Ace Hardware Home Services for that ice cold pick and to the Raiders for making it happen. Let's get back to Turkeys to the Draft Kingdom. The next question that we have is,

how many picks will the Eagles make over the course of draft weekend? to have eight, one each in the first four rounds, and then four in the fifth, none after that. Will they have fewer than eight picks, exactly eight picks, or more than eight picks? I believe it's your turn to go first, Fran. Okay, how many total picks?

Let's go with... I'm going to say 40 for more than eight, and I'm going to go 30 and 30. Okay? I think there's definitely a possibility, that they end up with, that they end up with more than eight. I think we're going to see them move, you know, work the board a little bit here.

And so, yeah, I think it's more likely that they come out with more picks than they go in. I have 30 with fewer, 35 at 8 and 35 at more than 8. I'm sort of playing a coward one on this one. I don't think it's coward. I think it's smart. But I have 10 for fewer. I have 50 for 8 and I have 40 for more than 8. And if you're looking for some of like how he's trends, you know, because how he's known as kind of this draft volume guy, that hasn't necessarily been the case in kind of the second run for him here.

His first two years, he had over 10 plus picks both those years. He hasn't really done that since. And really the big difference, by the way, has been with seventh round picks because this is, I found this to be fascinating when I was looking it up. in Roseman's first four draft classes, he had nine seventh round picks. In his past three drafts, he's only taken one player in the seventh round. He typically kind of used it like, all right, that's the undrafted grade at that point. He would rather kind of move up for six round. He actually has like his best track record by round relative to the rest of the league is the seventh round.

Sure, yeah. I would say seventh and second are two best rounds. But yeah, that's a good point. But yeah, that's interesting. Okay, we got to our next question, unless you have breaking news. Yeah, it's going to be Armandbou with a tackle. Shine in, man. Don't be hit.

Come on. Every pick. I don't want to say every single one. I want to give the ones that are the best. We're the first screen. Yeah, but not everybody loves the tipped picks. Some people love the, you know, I want to give the ones that are impactful for the Eagles. Some people don't like the tip picks.

That's a controversial topic. I get that, but I think that's, it's one thing if you're tipping it on social, but we're a show here. Right. We're, they're watching our draft coverage. So at number seven, Number seven, it's going to be Armand Membo, the tackle for Missouri. It's very interesting because there had been, I think that's the right pick. I think it's the right pick too.

I think this was the mature pick. There was basically my sources have pointed to the idea of them taking Tyler Warren as a make good for passing on Brock Bowers last year from ownership. That was the way that was kind of phrased to me was, hey, like we thought about taking Bowers last year. We didn't. We took the tackle and we regretted it. And now we're going to make up for that by taking.

Tyler Warren here, even though he's not the player that Armand Membu is. I think Membu, he's a extremely gifted player. He's drawn comparisons from multiple people to Jason Peters. In terms of like his physical tools, what he can do at the position, really athletic, physical, competitive, still his best football likely ahead of him. A third year player that was a little bit late to football in high school. So the arrow is certainly pointing up. I think this was the right pick and the Jets putting together a very good offensive line. Overwhelming support, it seems, in the chat for you to tip the picks. Okay, good.

I was going to say, let's make it democratic, and they're all saying it here, right? I do have to say, not ideal for the Las Vegas Raiders when your sixth overall pick is being towered over by Jamie Erdahl in the interviews. You can't judge things based on height sometimes, but. Well, that's fair. That's fair. Okay, next up in Turkey's of the Kingdom. Will the Eagles make a trade before the end of the seventh round,

including a veteran coming or going? Yes or no? Zach, I believe it's your turn to go first. 70 yes, 30, no. And so I have 61 yes, 39, no. Okay. I'm going to go 80 yes, 20, no. And do you think it's more coming or going?

I think it could be either. Okay. Well, obviously. Yeah, well, yeah, no, I, sorry about that. Okay, so if I were to do turkeys on, I would say, yeah, I would say like 6535, 6040, something like that, it's more likely someone going out, but I think it's more likely somebody coming. See, I think, like Julio?

You're giving everybody the tip, you know. Yeah, I mean, I do think that if they miss on a tight end that they like, I think that they have a contingency in place. I don't know if it's Michael Mayer, but, I mean, that will be the player I would go after. Michael Mayer is 23 years old. There's tight ends in this draft class who are older than Michael Mayer. Including Joshua Simon. Yes, including Joshua Simon.

The Georgia Tech tight ends near it, but not there. He is his father. It's kind of like the Eagles' quarterback situation. It is kind of like the Eagles' cornerback situation where the Eagles have a cornerback in Quinnionette Mitchell last year-pick who's actually older than Keely Ringo, who was drafted a year prior. There you go. Does the draft show count?

I think, yeah. I think there are tight. end's that the Eagles like in this draft, but if they, but I don't think they're like going into this saying they need the draft the tight end no matter what. I think if they don't get the tight end that they want, they would go and they would acquire one. Okay,

so you're going 80, 20. Yeah. So you've got the edge there if it's a yes. Next question is the Eagles first pick of this draft, whether it is in the first round or after a trade down, will be which position broken down between edge defensive tackle,

offensive line, all encompassing, or other. I can go first here. I have 31 turkeys on edge, 20 turkeys on defensive tackle, 35 turkeys on offensive line, and 14 turkeys on other. You've been pounding the O-line drum

probably more than anyone in the Philly media, I would say. Yeah, I don't know that the board is going to work out that way. Okay. And so this is more about what I think the Eagles' preference would be. Right. And that is that I think what they would prefer, given like a random draft class, would be to add a young building block offensive lineman to this team.

And does it matter if the guy doesn't have guard versatility? I don't think it matters. I think what matters more is the upside at any position, but presumably a tackle. And yes, Lane Johnson says he's going to play at least two more years. Lane Johnson also misses a lot of time. Sure. Jordan Milana misses time. It's a position that they care about.

Probably if you're stack ranking the positions, it's probably they're, the position they care about second most after quarterback. And so with a first round pick, if they can add a young starting caliber, above average starting caliber offensive linemen at tackle, I think that would be their preference for the reasons we've also talked about how from a long-term roster building perspective, you've got a bunch of guys you're going to be paying on defense, presumably in Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith and Quintinian and Cooper DeGine.

At some point, you're going to need to be a little bit cheaper on offense. Now, it's not a super long timeline because by the time, you're paying Quignon all of a sudden this year's pick is going to be up soon but you also think about the way that they're built on offense and they want to have a consistently great offense a lot of their players on offense are a little bit older and so yeah i think ideally they would like to draft an offensive lineman in the first round i don't know if the makeup of this class will make that necessarily possible but i i do think it's their preference yeah it's going to be really interesting and so much of it is up in the air and that's why they you have to have all those

conversations about your ideal plan in these last couple of weeks because there's so much volatility with how this draft, how this round is going to play out. Yeah, I, and I will give you mine here because I do think OLOLLLIN is a strong possibility. I think I went 40 for Edge, 28 for D-Tackle, 28 for O'Line, 14 for other. And as I outlined in my thoughts on all-PHLY.com, and then as I've discussed on the show, I think the most likely position's edge. I think the most likely player is Walter Nolan. I don't think the Eagles are taking a non-edged detackle O line unless they trade back out of the first round. So I think if they trade back out of the first round, that could be the time where it's a tight end. It's a safety. I don't think

linebacker. And we can get to it later. The cornerback thing really surprises me. They're clearly interested in corners. I don't quite understand it. They spent their first second and third ground pick last year on a corner. But I don't think that's, I think it's edge, detackle, or O-line if it's in the first ground. I do need you to make an adjustment. Yours added to 110. Oh, okay.

So let's make it 30 edge, 28, de-tackle, 28-0-line, and 14 other. Got it. Okay. Over to you, Fran. I'm going to go 35 edge, 30 defensive tackle, 20 other, and 15 for O-line. Okay.

I like that. Next up is the same exercise, but for the second pick of the draft for the Eagles. Can I real quick give you the Panthers pick? Please. Tipping the pick. Spoiler alert. Tetaroa McMillan. The Wiglin.

Really? Wow. Okay. I was suspicious to the Jalen Walker fit this whole time there in Carolina. Everybody was saying that. This makes more sense from a team building standpoint. Dallas is not happy. Get your quarterback somebody?

Yeah. I think it absolutely makes sense. And the big one there in this. these kind of things are very important. Tetero McMillan had his best season last year as a sophomore when he played for Jed Fish and when he played for Brennan Carroll, the offensive coordinator, Brennan Carroll, son of Pete Carroll.

Dave Canales comes from that Seattle tree, worked with Brennan Carroll and with Jed Fish out in Seattle for a long time. So that's one of those connections where I always kind of kept that there on the side burner. But everything had to been pointing to defense, but they go with Tep McMillan there. And what you think about as the, what would be the strengths, of Bryce Young when he's at his best, getting the ball out quickly

and, like, quickly, get it to a guy with a big catch radius with Ted McMillan. It makes a little bit of sense. Because you guys had the wide receiver show on Monday, I didn't get to give you my wider receiver buckets. Oh, and I got to tell you that Ted McMillan, he's from that best bucket. The most reliable bucket for hits in the first two rounds

is guys who are young and productive and not so fast. Actually, sub four, five, and that is, you think that doesn't make sense because speed matters. Yeah. But if guys are good enough to go that early, overcoming their lack of speed, it actually works out of the 17 guys drafted in the first two rounds over the past several years. 11 of them went on to have a thousand yards season in the NFL worth only six misses.

It's the best hit rate of all of those. I love that. And he's the only guy in this class who was in that bucket. Yeah. And he is a good player. Again, he's not the other receivers. He can go that high, but he's a good player. I feel like the Drake London experience.

has changed my opinion on this a little bit. Because I was pretty down on Drake London. And I don't think that he's been, I mean, he was like, what, third in receiving yards last year? I don't think that he's like a franchise changing wide receiver. But like he's a reliable starting caliber wide receiver, right? Yeah. Now, this is very big for the NFCEs because he was going to be a Dallas cowboy.

He's interesting. I feel very strongly that he was going to be a cowboy. So what now the cowboys do? What does this mean for the Cowboys at 12? from the conversations I had going in late yesterday was that they would still take Matthew Golden there, the wider suit from Texas. I followed up and was like,

but what if, is he really going to be that high over a player like a Tyler Booker, over a player, you know, one of the defensive linemen, Walter Nolan, if he was available. And he said, I still think that they would take, that they would take Matthew Golden,

but we'll see. Yeah, from an Eagles perspective too. And it seems kind of crazy to think that you're drafting at 32, and you're saying, well, your guy's still on the board from number eight, but the Panthers were viewed as a potential Walter Nolan team. So the fact that obviously this is, this isn't, it's not just Walter Nolan who's not here.

It's not an edge rusher either, right? And so positions that we think the Eagles could be interested in, don't go here, continues to push guys down the board. All right, let's keep going with our turkeys to the kingdom. Next up is the position breakdown of the Eagles' second pick in this year's draft, edge, defensive tackle, offensive line, and other. Fran, I will let you go first this time. I'm going to go with, let's go with 35 for Edge.

Let's go with 30 for offensive line. Okay. Let's go with 25 for other, which gives me up to, is that 20? That's 20 left, right? I think it's 15. 15 left for detackle. Okay. I will go here

and my grandfather is hopefully watching this at home. You have 10 for defensive tackle, not 15. 10 for defense tackle. My grandfather's hope we watching this at home. On Fun Fest, by the way. I gave him the...

Either there or at Park's Casino. Which is close to anywhere. I told him, you know, I told him the Fast Channel. So he's watching this on on Xfinity. And I would like to think my grandfather's proud of me, but not for the past five minutes.

Because when he saw how I butchered the math there, I know for a fact that he will be, he'll be disappointed in the math. So for this one here, I got to go clean. I don't need them. So 25, 25, 25, 25. Really? But I actually think here, the second round, it's more wide open because I think, you know, tight ends a possibility in this round.

So that's why I'm going 25, 25. 25. I do think I've been in my mock so far. It's been either edge, detackle, detackle, edge. I might have had an O tackle sneaking in at some point there, but I've really been kind of either edge detackle or detackle

edge, but I do think tight ends the possibility. I think that defensive tackle thins out here, and for the reasons we've talked about, I don't think the Eagles are hell bent on drafting a defensive tackle early. I just think that was where at 32 there might be some, I think they do love Walter Nolan. But so

actually have only five turkeys on defensive tackle in the second round 28 on edge 27 on offensive line and i think this could be where they go for a bit of a luxury i have 40 on other giving me uh the field there could that luxury be wide receiver could be yeah because um you know i'll give credit to our our friend shioquistati i was listening to his show last night and uh and he would you how how do you feel like you would have survived in that uh environment given the the the reach or the the the uh mock draft that you had with guys going two rounds later than expected. Yeah, I mean, it's

probably, I'd be an outlier there, but there's nothing wrong with being an outlier. I thought it was very funny listening to that episode, getting to the end of it, and you asking Fran, okay, I have probably gone too far here, which one should I change? And then clicking open to your mock draft and seeing that

you didn't make any changes. I got to say, shout out the DJ. DJ convinced me last night. It's like, you know what? Sometimes don't always go chalk. And players, drop every year. You're allowed, I think you're allowed a couple of them. I think morally it was a little bit of a stretch ethically to go with every single one of

those guys going two rounds later. Oh, first off, Joe and Travis and, you know, and Blue, the running back, that's within, that's, I thought those were fine. That's, that's fine there. Macuba. Fourth round, you have them going in the fifth round? Barrac Carter, fourth round. You haven't gone in the fifth round?

I didn't think is that bad. Okay. I actually thought that maybe Scorton was the worst. Interesting. Okay. But maybe not. I don't know. We'll say.

You got to get on Kempki. Kempski had that as well. Actually, Elliot had it too. So the same top two. But no, I hear you there. I just, you know,

I had a tweet that's, that's tongue and cheek. But it's kind of, you know, it was an accurate sentiment. Is that of the 50 players who weren't going to fall to 32.

I don't know which one to peg to the Eagles because everyone you kept hearing like, this guy's not going to fall. This guy's not going to fall. Someone's going to fall. Although, although, you know,

in our mock draft that we did on Tuesday show, no one really fell. And that's all chalk. And mock drafts are chalk and real life is not shocked. I totally agree with that. I think that's fair.

Anyway, can I go to the Saints real quick? Let's hear it. All right. So, Saints are number nine. Tell more. Everything that I have heard

with the New Orleans Saints was that this was going to be a defensive player for the majority of this offseason. It's going to be defense, going to be defense, it's going to be defense. Late this week, I want to say it was like Tuesday, Wednesday, earlier this week, it was Tuesday, Wednesday. The way it was described to me is it's going to be Ashton Genty or a tackle. And I was surprised. I'm like, all right, well, Membu is probably off the board by this point. So what does that mean? Could it be Kelvin Banks Jr.? Could it be Josh Connerly, the tackle from Oregon? Both those guys were on the take. in this situation with the person that I talked to.

And it looks like it's going to be the left tackle from the Texas Longhorns. Really? And Banks Jr. Sneaking into the top 10 here goes number nine overall to the New Orleans Saints. I think the thought process here for Mickey Loomis, for Jeff Ireland, the assistant GM, and for Kellynne Moore, is to take Talisi Fawaga, who was the first round pick last year. And he is either going to compete at right tackle or he is going to bump inside to guard. And they're going to plug Banks right away in at left tackle. So by your grades, this is a crazy reach,

given that this is also the team that drafted Trevor Penning in the first round and just declined his fifth year option. I think there's a good expectation. This is going to be a bad pick. So he's a phenomenal kid. He's a phenomenal athlete. There's a lot to like about Kevin Banks Jr. I struggle with guys with offensive linemen that aren't powerful at the point of attack

like in the run game and he's not a power guy. he is a more of a traditional like zone blocker. And then also that he's got problems with his anchor. He does need to get stronger. And so there will be time. Teams are going to test him with that anchor right away. And so we'll see how he's able to handle that. There's a chance that over the course of this off season,

it gets a little bit stronger. But yeah, I had my questions about that. I mean, just to look at the graphic, that's your tackle nine. And he's going ninth overall. Yeah. I mean, I was, I was low on. Listen, people, yeah, people like Kelvinbacks. Yes, but exactly.

I'm low on banks. And as Fran said at the beginning, another team who we thought edge rusher would be a possibility and they don't go edge rusher. And quarterback. Yeah. But I'm saying like Carolina and New Orleans, if you're thinking about a guy like Mikel Williams potentially dropping, those were two potential Michael Williams destinations there in Carolina and New Orleans. All right. So in the middle of this round here, because Fran is our All-City NFL draft expert, he's going to be leaving us and doing some hits with the other All-City Network. who have picks coming up, including Chicago, who's up soon.

So let's try to get through a couple of these quickly, Fran. The earliest 2006 Eagles pick that is traded away over the course of this draft weekend. The three options are rounds one through three, rounds four through five, or rounds six through seven or none at all. Last one's inclusive. Yeah, that's a tough one. And I could really talk myself into either side of it, but I went with 20 for rounds one through three,

Okay. 40 for rounds 4 through 5, 44, 6 through none. Okay, I have 30, 45, 25. Yeah, that was a tough one. Zach? I'm sorry, which one are we doing here? Earlyest Eagles' 2026 pick that's traded away. Okay.

So I will go with 40, 40, 20. They're showing Kelvin Banks and the NFL draft logo looks suspiciously like the PHLI logo. Shout out. them. You went 40, 40, 20? Yes. Okay. All right. Next up, more picks over the course of draft weekend on offense, defense, defense, or a tie. I have 39 offense, 34 defense, 27 tie. I went 50 defense. Okay. 30 tie, 20 offense. Okay. I am going 35, 35, okay, and then the remainder on tie. I think you can get that one. 30. Yes, I am familiar with that. Uh, four more to go.

First tight end drafted by the Eagles over the course of this weekend. Rounds one through two, rounds three through four, rounds five through seven, or none at all. Uh, Zach, I'll go first. Yeah, you're all the first one. Um, I, I, I am going with 10 for rounds one, uh, and, and two. I also have 10. I'm going 50 for rounds. Okay, I have 40.

Okay. Um, and so then I am going with 20 for rounds five and, seven and then 20 for none. Fran? I'm going to go 30 for rounds one through two. I'm going to go 35 for rounds three through four. 20 for rounds five through seven, 15 for not at all. All right.

Do we have Bears news? Yeah. Surprising. This is actually the first one. We're like, wow, I did not see this one coming. Okay. I had been told that when, if Tyler Warren falls to the spot that it was going to be Tyler Warren.

They're going Colston Loveland. Really? From Michigan. Interesting. They're going to go Colston Loveland here in this spot. And that is surprising to me. Yeah, that was not a player that I've been talked about. Honestly, like I've been on with CHGO every single week.

We haven't spent a lot of time talking about Colson Loveland. So I'll be, I'll be busy there when I go join them in the 13th pick. This is, he is a more obvious tight end. Sure. This is a tight end, right? And he's younger and maybe think that's the upside. whereas Tyler Warren, there's a little bit more creativity involved. I'm surprised, given Ben Johnson, that's why I'm surprised by this.

That Tyler Warren wouldn't have been the pick for them. It's interesting. I also, like, I just, I didn't think that they would go tight end. You know, I thought that, you know, I shared that quote from Ryan Poles from one of his first, one of his first media availability in Chicago where he talked about positional value and how important that was for him. I felt, especially in a strong, tight end class that he might wait to address that position across the board this is this is a surprising pick so i'm i am i'll defer to fran for evaluations

going into the nflbless season going into the college football season i thought lovelin was the top tight end in college football i thought he would be tight end one in this draft now tyler warren had an outstanding year like it had a huge year colts and colston lovelin did not have a good quarterback situation in in michigan but um it doesn't shock me that that one would see the way Colston Loveland plays as a pass catcher and being intrigued there. I do think Tyler Warren's more of a weapon, but the comp I've used for Colston Loveland is Zach Ertz, and Zach Ertz is the best tight end I've ever covered.

Very interesting. Yeah, that was that's a, I mean, I like Colson Loveland as a really good prospect profile. Again, you get the 10th overall pick. How excited are you about that? the guy who's like probably a little bit better than Cole commit right that's that's that's I'm surprised by this uh but it'll be a fun conversation with the CHGO crew because he's my tight end three uh I've got Elijah Royal ahead of them so they'll be we'll be we'll be in for a fun discussion there now they'll probably point to the same report to go ahead not not draft related but breaking news

related because the NFL did announce this tonight just now um and fans care about this the NFL announces that the schedule is going to be released on May 14th Okay. There we go. Thank you. Do we have white smoke in the Vatican City? People care about that. They do.

Plan that. Plan your nights accordingly. May 14th is when? I know it's between the 13th and the 15th. What is it? May 14th is a Wednesday night. A Wednesday night. So we'll have a live Wednesday night show on May 14th.

There we go. All right. Very exciting. Sorry to interrupt. No, it was good. All right. And so the San Francisco 49ers on the clock and then Dallas. I think you have to go when it's 13 on the clock.

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I know. I feel so inadequate tonight. I was told that, you know, coming in that Michael Williams was going to be the pick if he was there. I had him going to Chicago

at number 10 in my mock draft that dropped this morning. So I had the 49ers selecting Walter Nolan. Michael Williams is available and it looks like the Georgia pass rusher Michael Williams will be going to San Francisco and playing in that scheme

for Robert Sala. Yeah, it's a good player. It's a good bet to make. Yeah, I've long felt that he was the guy after Abdul Carter are in this eddresser class that I was most comfortable with.

You know, when you look at his age, his length, the ability to play against the run and against the pass. I think the sky is very high for Michael Williams. I think his best football is ahead of him. Disappointing for Eagles fans that the Niners were able to get hoodwinked into taking Michael Williams there and a good player. Well, it's not Walter Nolan. And this was viewed as Fran said.

And as Fran had in his mock as a Walter Nolan spot. So, you know, Dallas looms there, Cincinnati looms there. but, you know, there is, I mean, a team can always just take the best available guy. But if you look at the pressure points that we identified for Walter Nolan, I think if it gets past Cincinnati at 17, he's at least within striking distance to the Eagles. Do you think, Zach, that the Eagles would be, because to move up to early 20s probably requires their second round pick this year? Do you think they would be willing to do that for Walter Nolan? I don't think they would give up their first and second, unless.

you're getting, if you're getting like a third back, then I think they'd be willing to do it. Similar to the Cooper of the Gene deal last year, they gave up both seconds, but they're able to get a third in that deal. So maybe if it's something like that, I still think Minnesota is really the spot to watch because of their dearth of picks.

I don't know if that will cost you your second. I also think, as we discussed in the turnkeys to the kingdom, that the Eagles could put a third in next year as, you know, if you're kind of looking at the trade show, charts, that's one way to do it. You know, a first, a third, and a third next year. Would you do that for Walter Nolan? A first, a third, and a third next year?

I would want a pick back, but yeah, I probably would because I think you come out of this draft with a difference maker, and I think Walter Nolan's a difference making type player. And I'm deferring in part to France evaluation, but also the way I feel about the player and the upside. I think, you know, the way we framed it is who in this draft can become an all-pro caliber player, a pro-wall caliber player, and I think he has that type of upside. You're also plugged into how the Eagles think. Do you think that they would be willing to do that? I do. I think the Eagles would love to come out of this draft with a difference maker on defense or a

potential difference maker on defense. The thing with Walter Nolan is, you mentioned Dallas at 12. I've heard him possible at Dallas. I've heard him possible with Miami. I've heard impossible with Atlanta at 15. I've heard him with Arizona at 16. Cincinnati has done a ton of work on Walter Nolan at 17. there's a there's a bunch of teams right there in a row that have Pittsburgh Steelers at 21 that's that's another one Green Bay Packers at 23 so yeah there's a bunch of teams coming up where Walter Nolan could certainly be the selection and now and I'll ask you this but I will ask both you guys this we thought Tyler Warren would be off the board by now

does is that kind of the variable here that's interesting that change I'm not saying for the Eagles but I'm saying that like that's the ripple where a team who maybe wasn't going to go tight end thinks tight end now. I would say no, only because Colts of 14. Well, because Colston Loveland went. So a tight end went off the board. So it's not like both tight ends got pushed down.

But I also think you're right. If Warren gets past the Colts, then you start to wonder how far is this guy going to go. Yes. I do feel like he will end up being a cult. That's my best guess there. Okay. Which would affect the Dallas Gotter Market, by the way. Do you want to close out?

Turkey's to the draft kingdom? or should we think about Dallas at 12? What do we think Dallas is going to do? Yeah. Like, will they go Matthew Golden? Like, are they that desperate for a wide receiver? That's been the big question. Could they go like Omari and Hampton?

You know, our friend down at DLS, Clarence Hill, he did a mock draft with Sam Farmer this week. He had them taking Matthew Golden. A lot of people down there believe that Matthew Golden could be the pick, especially with McBillan off the board. I think a lot of, most of the people I talked to, A lot of it was, all right, will it be T-MAC or Golden, and some people still felt golden?

I feel like it's going to be Matthew Golden. Not a good bucket for Matthew Golden. If you want to talk buckets, young and fast, but not productive. You got to play 16 games this year and still didn't cross 1,000 yards receiving. That is only nine guys have been drafted in the first two rounds from that bucket over the past few years. And only three of them have hit. D.K. Medcaf, Jalen Waddle, and George Pickens. The rest of them in that bucket, you're talking,

Curtis Samuel, DGB, McColl Hardman, Henry Ruggs, KJ Hamler, Terrace Marshall, Jr. I would be worried about taking that guy at 12. Yeah, I would agree. Yeah. I've had trouble finding a good landing spot for him in mock drafts just because that profile is so troubling. My guess is because Dallas, I know that we're a little bit ahead.

I think Dallas is trying to trade out currently. So there's a little bit of delay here in terms of, you know, what's going on with them. But I think that, and it makes sense. sense, given who's on the board, the thing is, the team who do I expect to move up? I think it could be the Indianapolis Colts trying to move up to try and get Tyler Warren. Oh, interesting. Okay. All right, quickly.

Three questions on Turkey's of the Kingdom left. Next up is over under players drafted from the following four schools. Georgia and Alabama, the two, you know, Eagles breeding grounds. And then the two teams that made it to the college football championship this year. Ohio State and Notre Dame over under, players drafted from those four schools combined under one and a half or over one and a half.

You hit a bold prediction. Okay. Tyler Booker to the Cowboys. To the Cowboys. He was my pick for them and I believe my March mock draft. He fits their profile. I like that pick for the Cowboys. So we can get into that way. Not too high for a guard. In this class,

to me like Tyler Booker, that's right where I had him graded. In terms of, I think that he's a dominant player. I'm okay with this pick for the Cowboys. I think this is a good outcome. We loved having Zach Martin. We think this guy can be Zanmore. I think it's a good pick for them. I know you're told not to scout the jerseys,

but, you know, I hear like you know, rock solid Alabama guard, clean prospect, 10-year starter, and I think Chance Warmark. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, a guard-only player in a normal draft, I would be pretty skeptical of that at 12. I think it's still probably maybe a tiny bit rich,

but like I said at the time, in the bullet predictions in a draft where everybody has questions and this guy everybody says is like a plus plus character and also you know brings it on the field I can I can see how you fall for that. Interesting. That's a guy I like

that pick. I think you're free to go if you need to the or do you have you have a couple more minutes? I think I got to because yeah it's not until they're on the clock or on the broadcast. Okay. So Georgia, Bama Ohio State Notre Dame over one and a half under one and a half. I

This is literally playing down the middle-wide 50-50. Yep. That's okay. I have 53 under and 47 over. Let's go 55 over 45 under. Okay. Next up, will Dallas Goddard be traded before the final pick of the seventh round? Yes or no?

Oh, I have no 70, yes, 30. I think it's more likely that Goddard, that teams kind of see their depth charts after this, and then they adjust accordingly. And I think the Indianapolis pick is going to be fascinating. If that's not Tyler Warren, that's a Dallas got our destination to watch. Yeah. Interesting.

I'm going to go with 55, 55 no, 45, yes. I have 20, yes, 80 no. And then the final one is over the course of the next three nights when Howard Roseman gives his post-round press conferences, at any point will he utter the phrase, and it has to be. these four words in order, tools in his body. And you know what? I will allow, it can also be tools in the body. Okay. I am going with...

Yes or no. 100, yes. And zero no. Really? Last year, there was a tools in the body on April 26th and April 27th. There was also a tools in the body on August 27th. And then there was a tools in the body on February 27th. last year. So that was the combine. We haven't gotten it. We haven't gotten tools in his body

since August 27th last year. So maybe he's been you know, kind of workshopping. Now I, a hundred, I mean, that's this, this, this could swing. This is the boldest thing you said all right. This could swing turkeys of the draft kingdom. This is very bold. I, what, the reason that I think that you might be right is because I do think there's a chance he's been clued into this. Yeah. It's just that he's going to be exhausted. Sure. And so he's going to just lean on. You go back to your tropes. Yeah. Like hoodwink, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I have 46 yes, 54, no. Oh, interesting. I'm going to go 97 to 3. For yes or no? 97 yes. Okay.

Wow. I mean, this is, it's going to be decided by this. Tools in his body. All right, that'll do it for turkeys to the kingdom. I'll read them all at the end. We don't need to spend the entire draft doing that. Okay. So Miami next up at 13.

Dallas. Does that make it, does that change Do you feel about the, the Cowboys at all? Look, I mean, if you have a strong offensive line, you're always going to be in a good spot. And when the Cowboys are at their best, they have a strong offensive line. I wonder about the value, but yeah,

from the, like, player perspective, if this guy can be a pro bowler, and in a draft that's not considered especially strong, like, you know, I said if the framing device you're using is who is the best chance in this draft of being a pro bowl player, Tyler Booker's probably one of the guys who you would put in that top 10.

And so I'm fine with that. I just, you know, I would rather have Walter Nolan at defensive tackle right now than Tyler Booker at Guard, but I like that pick better than Matthew Golden,

who I'm not as keen on, and I think you'd kind of be forcing the position. If Ted McMillan was on the board, I would have gone there. But as, as you said, that's the way the Cowboys were probably leaning

going into the night. I think so. This is the matchup, because my guess is he's going to plug right in at right guard. So he's going to be the Jayland. This is the Jaylen Carter matchup. This is the new Fletcher Cox. Zach Martin

matchup are watching every single time the Cowboys and Eagles play. Do you think they think that way as part of the

calculus for the pick? I would almost guarantee that that is mentioned in the press conference. Love that. Yeah, that'll be fun. Your top players

available right now according to your draft board which is on all p.honton. com and you can check out if you are a diehard which you should remember Dallas just made a pick.

You want to beat Dallas. You got to get those diehard subscriptions in. Luther Burden at the top, Malachi, Starks and Nick Eam and Worry, then Gray's Able and Will Johnson. Yeah, and look,

Will Johnson's going to fall because of the injury concern there. You know, Luther Burden, you know, we'll see. The big thing to remember with my board is that this is how I view these guys a few years from now, not how I envision them coming off the board here. And so, um, sure. And I would say that if you are a diehard, you've got access

to that vertical board that Bo is referencing too. I would as, as your third screen here as you're watching, keep that horizontal board up and that can give you an idea. Who are the other players on this tier to keep an eye on for the Eagles or whatever team is on the clock? I will put this out there. I didn't see this. I saw this on social media, but Steve Weiss from NFL Network, someone who I really respect, he said the lock of his night is Grace Able going to the Dolphins.

So we'll see if that materializes. Interesting. So I saw that and I felt compelled to respond to it because that would be extremely out of character. for Chris Greer and the Miami Dolphins. So the Miami Dolphins, we just pull this up really quick. Yeah, Miami, they are going. They're not going. It's not going to be.

It's not going to be Grace Abel. Yeah, it's not going to be Grace Abel. The lock is gone. The lock is gone. It's unlocked. It's been tossed off the window. Someone has picked it. So here it is.

So Miami, this is what I tweeted out when I saw Steve Weiss's report. The dolphins have picked one senior in round one since 2016. Chris Greer's been in charge since 2016. It was Christian Wilkins. They picked just one non-power-five player in the first three rounds

during that time. They have never picked an FCS player in his entire career there. So like, yeah, it would go, that would be so wild the other way. So are they picking a young power five player? They're taking Kenneth Grant, the defensive tackle from Michigan.

It was a young power five player. So that was a prediction in Michigan. Oh, 13. Oh, yeah. Sorry. We've got two bold predictions, hit so far. I apologize. I didn't mean toot my horn, but that's good. Okay. Good for you. All right. I mean, two bold predictions already hit. And those were bold ones. Nicely done, sir.

Yeah, I think knowing the school with the pick is a great one. That's a really bold one. As I said the other day, one thing that that, that, that I had learned going back to the Jake Longdraft is Stephen Ross, the owner of the Miami Dolphins loves Michigan. You know, went there. A big benefactor there. And this was informed speculation. Well, just that like, you know, when there's Michigan, you know, like, you know, it's, it's not like an, and like the owner coming off the yacht situation saying draft this guy. But, you know, if there's any like program that he's clued into, it's the Michigan guys. All right. Are you got to go?

We'll go back in a bit. We will see you in a little bit. Yeah. Thank you so much. What are we going to do with that? Yes. Getting all these picks for us. Well, so I had a question for you.

And then we'll get to the super chats after that. And this was, I was, I kind of got deviated when I brought up Shield, you know, and we talked about my reaching or lack of reaches. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But Sheel was saying how the argument we make for offensive tackle, where important position, you know, down the line importance that there's that, you know, if you lose one of your starters, what are you going to do? That same argument you can make for wide receiver, right? Yeah. Is that A.J. Brown, we don't know if he's going to be on the.

the team after two you know at three years the same timeline they were talking about with with lane johnson right um if a j brown went down this team's in trouble um jhan dodson we we still kind of don't know about him so that same logic i'm not saying first round but i think this came up in the framework of like second round there could be a wild card yeah could that be a wild card wide receiver if someone like a luther burden falls and it's like yeah this this values too strong and if you're making the comparison to tackle the other difference is i mean you can can have three receivers on the field at the same time. Exactly. You can't have, I mean, you could have three tackles and potentially you move

that guy to guard. But from a position standpoint, I think that makes sense. And yeah, I do think, we talked about it last year, how the Eagles locked both guys up, right? And so you felt like maybe you were guarding against sort of counting targets, right? And they could afford to draft a receiver. I think that's still true. I think they still want to make this offense tilt a little bit more towards the passing game. Me too. And yeah, like I think if, they have Luther burden graded as a, you know, as a first round grade in this class, and he's the guy that's on there, given the position of the, the importance of the position, I do think that they would be willing to pull the trigger there.

That said, the thing that we do have to keep in mind, and they have to keep in mind, is with Jalen Hertz's like quarterback, there has always been a narrow target share. Sure. Would you be getting the most out of that if that, if your third option in the passing game is not going to be thrown to that often? Well, the variable here is that if Dallas Goddard is not in this offense, and I know we've seen Dallas Goddard not in this offense, but it could, you know, the targets that we're going to Goddard maybe goes to a Luther Burden or pick your wide receiver. All right. Well, while we are celebrating here on set, we have our friends Jamie and Devon who have been partying with the Eagles fans at J.D. McGillicuddies.

There's Devon. Devon, how we're feeling so far? So far, so good. Just a little concerned, just a little curious as to why Warren didn't go to Chicago at 10, and they decided to go in a different direction. But other than that, the place is pretty good here. J.D. McGillickuddy's, McGillicuddy's once again,

Pats Light all over the place, multiple TVs and enough time selfishly for me, guys, where there's enough time in between picks with the multiple TVs where I can check in on the Knicks and the Pistons too. How was that game going? I have no idea. Nick's up right now. Last time I checked about five with five minutes to play in the fourth quarter.

You've got to get going. How's Bridges playing? Cail's playing pretty good. Nice, nice game, second game in a row, nice game. So I just want to see them close it out, of course. Is there any sense at the bar for who people are rooting for from the Eagles' perspective, who they want? From the Eagles perspective, a lot of Warren talk early. But since he has slipped, you know, that going in that direction, a little.

little starks here and there just talking to a few people there. So yeah, that's where a lot of people are going from, at least from the guys that I've talked to while in there. You're going to have to break the news to them, unfortunately, that the Colts at 14 are taking Tyler Warren. So he will be off the board. Jamie and I did guess that would be the

next possible destination for him. There you go. How's the NFL draft viewing experience there compared to the NBA draft viewing experience? Here, well, again, everybody, Everybody's into it. So you're all talking like,

you're looking at Carolina taking, taking the wide receiver there at that one spot. You had a few people curious as to why they went in that direction. I think there was a Carolina fan actually in there ticked off. We had to run out because he was a little upset that they went that high for him saying they could have got him at 22, you know, so all the way down in the first round versus that pick number eight. But that's where it's, it's not bad.

And while I haven't been here for an NBA draft, the NFL draft, so far the experience is pretty good. A lot of football fans in there. Awesome. Well, thank you very much, Devon. Say hi to all the sickos who were there. And we have Jamie as well, who's inside the bar.

He's outside, just like I am. Look at us, both else. Well, let's check in on Jamie as well. Thank you, Devon. All right. Let's clip on over. And as we're doing this, as, as Bo just said, Tyler Warren is going to the Colts.

If you're watching this as your primary screen, and you're hoping Tyler Warren would fall, he's going to the Colts. and this also affects, they are probably off the Dallas gotter market now. So that's one fewer team. That equals Katrina got her to. All right, Jamie, what's your sense of things there at J.D. McGillacutty's. What the hell are the Chicago Bears doing?

They're taking Zach Gertz. That's what they're doing. Colson Lovin's a good player, man. Don't sleep on Poston. I know. He's good, but I'm shocked that he won. I think, yeah. I mean, I like Colston Lovin as well.

But at 10, it does feel like, you know, a bit of a bit of a reach. I don't know. They have not really drafted very well. That's what they're doing. I mean, generally speaking. It's the shock of the first round so far, for me at least. Even more so than McMillan going as high as eight. But yeah, the Papps lights are flowing here, J.D. McGillicutties.

You guys got a nice spread of the, the cutty wings that we sent up to the studio. So the food's good. The atmosphere is great. And I know you guys can probably appreciate this. When there's a big sports event on and they do the audio in the bar. Oh, you need that. Absolutely. Because you can't be here without the audio.

So, you know, that was a big plus here. So score one for J.D. McGillicuddy's and the good guys. Love that. Next year, we need to get this audio. There we go. Before we go, Jamie, let us know, is there somebody that you are rooting for for this pick? I know you spoke about it on the show this afternoon with Bob Cooney. Yeah.

I'm hoping friends mock draft from the day. It comes to fruition. I would be thrilled with Malachi Stark. Mikel Williams was my Let's Dream a little bit Maybe he falls closer to 20 You can trade up and go get him But if you sit Pat

I think 32 Malachi starts is a home run If he's available It feels like guys are slipping a little bit It feels like there's going to be some potential here Yeah I mean you know As Fran talked about If you are on the Walter Nolan camp There have been a couple places here

Where it seemed like that was going to be the pick And he has made it through there so he's getting within range. Malachi Stark's as well. And then you start thinking about the edge guys who we have talked about and then also some offensive linemen. Interesting. Who else hasn't gone up the board,

Zach, is your boy, Jalen Walker. Yeah, that is an interesting one. He's someone who I have not done as much work on. And I'm curious to see if the Falcons here at 15 go with Jalen Walker because that's a spot where they can use the edge rushing help. But he is a relative.

polarizing player in terms of the position fit, as Fran has outlined. I've also heard, though, off the field, he's someone who, like, people love, right, in terms of the characteristics. But, you know, I spoke about it with Fran the other day. Every year, I say the Falcons are taking an edge rusher. They never do. I would watch out for James Pierce, Jr. as a possibility at 15. It's your other boy. Yeah, well, James Pierce Jr. is like someone who, you know, when we do my guys, I'll pound the table for James Pierce Jr. I'm not pounding the table for James Pierce, Owen Walker, but I do think he's a good player. All right.

Well, Jamie, give our love to the sickos there. Suck back a couple Papp's lights, and we'll hear what you think when the Eagles make their pick. Man, 96 calories. They hit so good. Thanks, guys. All right. All right.

So the Arizona Cardin, oh, no, the Falcons on the clock right now. This could be your boy, James Pierce, Jr. That'll be interesting. Yeah, I mean, I really think, you know, and I made the joke that I mocked them an edge rusher, like four consecutive years. and they never seem to take an edge rusher. I think this is the year where they should. I think the value hits.

There's a number of edge rushers here. I thought Mikel Williams could slip to them, but the fact that Williams is off the board, Jalen Walker makes sense. I thought Walker was going to go to Carolina. I was obviously wrong about that. But I have heard some James Pierce Jr. buzz here with the Falcons. All right.

Let's check in on the super chats from the generous sickos who have been checking in throughout the evening, so far as we approach halfway through the first round. We start with Robert who says, congrats Bo, thank you very much, and the Wolf family. How many different draft slots do you think Howie has the framework for a trade already worked out?

That's a good question, Zach. Yeah, so the process here, and this is from Robert, I'm sorry, if I'm looking to my left, it's because the screens are in different locations tonight because we have the draft on in front of us. The process here is Howie literally talks to every team. going into it saying like all right what's what's the price going to be if your guy's not there if you're looking to move back if our guy's there and so he he probably has a framework um for every

i look there has to be a comfort level he's he's he's willing to do next year's first is off the table i i imagine as you pointed out the second rounder is a big question this year is he willing to give up that second rounder but i i would imagine how he knows what the price is to move up to every spot, let's say, from 20 or 22 down to where the Eagles pick, because that's what you do. Yeah, I think it's less about they've agreed upon a framework and more about they've given him what they say the price would be. Exactly. And then you can call when they're on the clock and say, okay, we will do that or we won't do quite that.

We'll do this. And then you've got, you know, you're playing against the clock. There's the built-in deadline. That's the fun negotiation. But I do think that, yeah, from 20 on, he knows what the asks would be. Exactly. All right. Next up from Ross, who says the suits are fire.

Thank you very much. Tell the other PHNX, DLS, DNVR to get their own draft experts. Well. Selfishly, I agree with you. We'd love to keep Fran, but this is a rising star. Yeah. Look, Fran deserves to be on in every market that he can be. And as all city continues to grow, I'll be on markets.

But, man, I mean, I'll be honest with you. It is fun having Fran sitting right here. Fantastic. Absolutely. Next up from Polar Jam, who says, how big of a super chat do we have to send to get ZB to shotgun one of those PAPS lights? Hashtag synergy.

Well, you know, the appeal to the PAPSlight is that it's 98 calories, right? And so I don't have to worry about it from a health perspective. What if I told you was also a technological innovation? It's, well, there, you know, look, I am happy to have a PAPS light at the end of the draft when my work is finished. but I'm going to be writing tonight till, you know, 3, 4 a.m., so I will not be consuming until I finish my work. Okay, next up from Bryce, who says,

thoughts on Dallas Goddard, a first and a fifth to the Colts for 14 and a fourth possible Jalen Walker or Mason Graham drop spot. This was obviously asked earlier after the Colts have used their pick now on Tyler Warren, but I like the thought process. Yeah, so I appreciate the kind of. I'm going to answer this generally for Dallas Goddard. I don't think Dallas Goddard has the value that Eagles fans might think he has in the trade market.

I don't think Dallas Goddard is quite to sweeten. What do you think his value is roundwise? I think a 2026th, fourth, 226 fourth or fifth, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think you could use him to go up that far. Exactly. I think you could use him in the first round to go up like three spots with something else with

another pick. Exactly. Something like that. But yeah. which also probably is not really worth it for the Eagles. Next up on Super Chats from Sean with a very generous donation. Says, just got a second diehard account to beat DLLS. Wow.

Says, congrats, Bo and hell of a job by all three of you on the draft season. Question for Fran. I'm sorry, we'll ask him when he comes back. In your prior role with the Eagles, do you ever contribute to the personnel side during draft season? That's one that we will definitely circle back. back to, if not tonight, over the course of draft weekend. We will get into that for sure. Well, I will tell you four Eagles fans

that, I mean, you should hope that they tapped in that because Fran is an incredible resource. Next up from Musa says, this is truly much better than the NFL broadcast. I mean. Thank you. Thank you, and you're right. First screen here. Fantastic.

Alex, says, congrats, Bo. Thank you very much. Hope Mama and Baby are doing well. I appreciate that. I have got the text that all three kids are asleep for now. Good. So that is good. By the way, this is going to be Jalen Walker here, going to the Atlanta Falcons.

If you're watching this as your first screen, Jalen Walker to the Falcons. Nice. Nicely done. Okay. I don't like Jeline Walker quite as much as you do. But in this draft, I can be sold on you buy this upside more than other guys upside.

Do you think he's not an edge rusher? Do you think he's more of an offball guy? I think that he probably is an edge rusher. Okay. I don't know that he has. for the reasons that Fran has convinced me that he has really that explosive upside as a pass rusher that

you know that he has in theory. I think it's a little bit too theoretical for me. Yeah, look, there might be a little Vic Beasley to his game and he goes to the Atlanta Falcons where they took Vic Beasley probably their biggest top 10 miss. Yeah, there you go. Steve Whitaker, just a nice, generous super chat with nothing to say.

We appreciate that. Next up, I can't read this name. Old Max Groom, something like that. Okay, Max Legroom. Oh, he says, ring the bell, bowed twice, and sent some good vibes from the Shino Shrine of prosperity to the Wolfpack. Oh, Shinto. Awesome. Love that.

That's fantastic. Thank you very much. Very, very heartening. I also, I didn't say this. We got a present from the sickos. Yes. Off the baby registry. Of the baby registry.

That's terrific. Yeah, they found it. A little creepy. They scouted it out, but I really do appreciate that. That's very nice. They asked me for some restaurant recommendations that you liked, too. Oh. Unfortunately.

What's that? Oh, that's what's in here? That's very nice. Yes. Unfortunately, raw sushi no longer available. Is that what it was called? Yeah, but no, I gave them recommendations you would like. That's so nice.

I get them recommendations you would like there in the, yeah, in the Discord, in the Discord, in the Sickos Discord. Oh, thank you so much. Very heartening. We appreciate it. That's very nice. Next up, this is the last. last one for now. Arthur Bow Wolf Smith, so

from myself, says, congrats on Arthur Jr. Bo, you're glowing. Thank you. ZB., how many diehard sign-ups do we need to see you shotgun one of these tonight? Yeah. That's now two requests. We're paying customers. You know, they're telling you about the pizza.

Speaking of shotgunning, I have you ever shotgun to beer? I have drank a shotgun beer, but I didn't do the shotguning myself. Somebody did. Somebody did. Someone did the hole and then gave it to me. Yeah.

But you were able to open it after that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay. I didn't do it. But in the opening chapter of a book that's coming out in September, I had to find multiple ways to, you know, I used shotgunning early on in the chapter, but then there were a few other times when someone shotgun to beer.

And I had to find different ways to say it because I didn't want to use the same verb. Yeah, but there's really only. Yeah. That's one that doesn't have a synonym. Yes. Slice the beer can. Hart, you know, made, you know, made a move that would make his Penn State brethren proud, something like that. Okay.

So try different creative devices. We'll see what my outstanding editor thinks about that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's tough. I mean, I think it's okay to be repetitive if there's really only one way to describe it. Yeah, but it's, you know, it's within 2,000 words of each other, so I didn't want to. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. That's good. Good. Inside writing. Nice. All right, Arizona Cardinals, your boy, on the clock, J.G. What do you think they're going to be leaning towards here?

So this is an interesting one here because there's a handful of directions they could go. I think this would make sense as a Josh Simmons team if you like Josh Simmons. But this might be a bit early. Look, Walter Nolan could be a fit here, but I think they need to continue to add an edge rusher. I don't think James Pierce, Jr. is the direction that they'll look. I think Shamar Stewart could be a player that they look at here. I think it would be a mistake to go barren. This is, I've been hearing this is a sleeper wide receiver team.

That would surprise me. I don't think that's the direction to go. If Will Johnson has clean medical health, Will Johnson could be a possibility here. But the pick I am going to say, I'm going to go with Shamar Stewart. Okay. I could sort of see that if you think you can get the most out of him.

Again, Shamar Stewart, if you haven't been plugged in, an unbelievable tester at the combine and less production than you have ever seen from a successful player in the NFL. Three years, a total of four and a half sacks, never more than one and a half in a season. Also, as Fran pointed out throughout the PHOI draft show with Fran Duffy season,

terrible production as a run defender as well. And so, like, I get that if you want to say in this draft, going to bet on the tools because there are no surefire things. But that is a huge bet to make. And there's really absolutely no precedent for a player with his lack of production, especially given those physical tools. I don't think I could make that pick.

Yeah, I felt bad on our edge rusher show when I said, I wish he was better at football. I thought that was a... You think that got back to him? No, but I didn't think that was a nice way to frame it. But, yeah, I mean, I could get behind him if I saw more when I watched him that, like, he has the pass rushing ability. The pick is in here for the Cardinals.

We'll see where Jonathan Gannon goes. But this guy gets to play with Josh Sweat and for Jonathan Gannon. And this pick is Eagles fans. I'm sorry to tell you. Walter Nolan goes number 16 to the Arizona Cardinals. So that sound you hear is my mock draft. Jimmy Kemsky's mock draft. Elliott Shore Park's mock draft.

Jeff McLean's mock draft. All of us picked Walter Nolan to the Eagles. will not happen. Jonathan Gannon takes it away from us in terms of being correct in our mock track. You think that's his goal? Yeah. But look, Arizona was interested in Milton Williams in free agency. Yeah. And here they get Walter Nolan. So number 16 overall, that's a player that I thought made a lot of sense for the Eagles. And yeah, goes to Arizona at 16. So Walter Nolan, will not fall to the Philadelphia Eagles. Do you think that in a bit of comeuppance,

at some point in a couple months, Nick Siriani will give an interview and take credit for inventing Walter Nolan and suggesting to Jonathan Gannon that he drafted. That would be a funny bit, but no, I don't anticipate that happening. Okay, so now you think about this from the Eagles perspective.

Yeah. If they do want to move up, the players that they could consider moving up for, I don't think they would move up for a wide receiver. I think it's possible they could stick at 32 in draft one, but I don't think they would move up for a one. Offensive line. Josh Simmons, I think, is a possibility for the reasons we've talked about.

I think that could be a player they move up for a little bit, given the potential upside at the position of importance. Do you think that they would consider moving up for a Josh Connerley or Donovan Jackson on offensive line? Well, not Donovan Jackson. Josh Connerly is a player that I can see them. moving up for. But, yeah, I don't think that.

I think, and you know, not. Gray's able. Would they move up for a Gray's able? So I'm not as high on Gray's able, but certainly based on what you hear about a possibility. I still don't think that. I think tackles a spot where you kind of sit and a guy might fall for you or fall to you. I think Edge. And, you know, I don't know the right way to frame.

but at some point here we're going to have to have, I don't want to say a difficult conversation, but a complicated conversation about Mike Green. Because Mike Green is someone who continues to slip. And, you know, I did think Arizona was a possibility. I thought Cincinnati here at 17 could be a possibility for Mike Green. But he's the type of player who, when he gets to the 20s and there's some ambiguity here, you know,

I, Josh Norris had Mike Green going to the Eagles. I think Dane Bruegler had Mike Green going to the Eagles. I haven't heard definitively, but the sense that I've been receiving or the sense I have is that Mike Green is not categorically like off the Eagles board. I saw Jeff McLean before the draft saying the Eagles weren't going to take Mike Green. Oh, really? Yeah.

My understanding is that they are allowed to draft him. Yeah, exactly. That's my understanding too. Which let's have the conversation. Yeah. Because the reason this is a conversation is because at the Combine on Todd McShay's podcast, Howie Roseman said, essentially, any violence against women is a non-starter for us, totally off the board. Mike Green has two separate incidences in which he was accused, okay, of violence against women.

And then Howie was asked about it at his pre-draft press conference. And what did he say? He sort of left some wiggle room there. Yeah, he first off say that he said, he believes you're innocent until proven guilty, which when you do that framing device, unless someone is, is, like, convicted. Correct.

Then in theory, he's now, but there are different, and I thought Mike Sealsky did a good job asking this, like someone could plea or, you know, charges could, you know, the charges could be dropped because there's not enough, you know, someone doesn't pursue it or it's not, there's, there's different ways in which something could occur, but there's no conviction. So that's, there is, um,

ambiguity in in in place my understanding of this has always been that it's not as cut and dry as how we said that there is nuance involved here that they do rely on the investigative ability of uh of dom de sandro the intuition of of dumb de sandro um but yeah i mean and again when there is something where there's not a clear conviction you don't know exactly what occurred but it does it seem disingenuous to be that, like, cut and dry about it, and then have this conversation about someone who has this in their background. That's my objection. It is a very nuanced conversation, and it's not really fair to make it just about Mike Green, because we don't know the specifics of the Mike Green situation, but because this has become a talking point, he is the guy,

it would be naive to think that in a sport where you're asking guys to be as a full, violent as possible all day long every day, that there aren't going to be some carryovers to off-field stuff. And it would also be extremely naive to not think, well, this guy could be a great player. This guy is an undrafted free agent. The rules are going to be the same for them. Sure. Hold your nose and dislike that as much as you want.

And I would about a lot of that stuff. what I object to is the framing in that interview about like patting yourself on the back for we don't we don't harbor this at all when we know for a fact there have been players over the years who they have been interested in or even had on the roster who had situations like this that's the only thing that is a little bit gross to me yeah yeah I mean I again I don't mean to be like flipping about it but the way it often works in the NFL and I don't think the eagles are are different. is that great talent often leads to tolerance, right? Is that like you're, you know, what are you willing to tolerate? Sometimes, like, the more talented you are, the more you're willing to tolerate relative to someone who is not as talented. But, yeah, I, the way I understand it is that there's not this, like, absolute in there and that I hadn't heard the same type of thing that my friend and former colleague Jeff McLean did

as far as like them not drafting Mike Green. And we have heard from just watching the Anthony Gargano show from his understanding that the Eagles do like the player a lot in Mike Green. We do see now that Shamar Stewart going off the board at 17 to the Cincinnati Bengals, a team that could have drafted Mike Green. And so it does sort of feel like maybe Mike Green is a player to really keep in mind as we approach 32 until he goes off the board. Yeah.

So I'll say this. The player who I said if the Eagles didn't take Walter Nolan, the guy who I thought was most likely for the Eagles to take. take was Donovan Azaraku. And he's still on the board. I think 19 coming up here in Tampa Bay is a big pressure point for him. Yeah, it's been one where like everybody has that for like a month. Yeah.

So I would watch that. But Donovan's a player who I've, and by the way, he was a guest on Anthony's show this week. That was awesome to see. He's someone who I'm higher on than Fran is. I think he's a talented player. I've heard great things about the makeup. I think he would fit in with the Eagle.

so that's a player to watch here. Someone who we discussed in the pre-draft, but maybe not as much as we should. I thought he was going to go before Walter Nolan. That hasn't been the case. And that's Derek Harmon. From Oregon. Yep, from Oregon.

Who is an interesting player, transferred over from Michigan State and had a really good year at Oregon. Not the perfect profile, as far as I'm concerned. And I was, you know, me personally, a little bit unmoved by the highlights. but some people like him a lot. To me, a Derek Harmon pick would be indication

that they do really just want a defensive tackle. Like there's a group of guys here who, it will be hard for me to believe, are like standing out as the best player available and more like they're the best player at a position that we wanted to address. Exactly. Yeah, I agree with you there. And Derek Harmon, you know, our friend EGA Smith

really likes Derek Harmon. I liked Walter Nolan a lot more than Derek Harmon. but you can see why people are high on him. Let's finish going through the positions about possible trade-up targets. Jihad Campbell? Do you think that's someone the Eagles would be interested in? Yeah, I don't. You know, I know Daniel Jeremiah mocked into it.

And look, I think there's a world in which Jihad Campbell can play edge rusher. I think he's a really versatile player. I like him quite a bit. As I think Fran said, there's been some health red flags there with him. local guy as well. If he's an off-ball linebacker, I don't think that's the direction the Eagles would go. And then, worth discussing,

Will Johnson. I know that they have, as you said and described it well, they used all of their first three picks last year on cornerbacks because they traded their future third for Keilloringo the year prior. But that's a player who you could sell me is just standing out like a sore thumb as the best player on your board. Yes. Now, the reason, as Fran said,

the reason he's following is because of medical. And so you have to be confident that, like, you know, you're either evaluating, you know, that he's falling because either teams aren't patient or that your evaluation of him is different medically than some other teams are. But typically, if you have someone who you expect to be a top 10 pick who's there at 32, you have to ask yourself, like, what is it that they know that you don't, or that you know and that you're willing to tolerate. And then finally, Malachi Starks and Nick even worry if you're thinking safety.

Yeah, so I think Malachi Starks would be a terrific pick for the Eagles in terms of the play. I think he's better than Sidney Brown. He starts from day one. I never like to use the term 10-year starter because most people don't play 10 years in the league. It's so ridiculous. But he's someone who I think is like he's a legit starter in the NFL with upside. I don't think that's a stretch to take a safety at 32. I just think the Eagles are going to take a player on the line of scrimmage or trade out of it.

And I also think that we're in that range now, but you also have to start thinking about teams trading up for quarterbacks. Yeah. Do you think Seattle would be quarterback curious here? I don't. Okay. I don't. I actually think Seattle would probably be more of a destination for a team trading into this.

Yeah. You know, I think the Giants are the team to watch. What I am curious about is with Cleveland's trade, you think Cleveland's kind of punting on this year, and like they're putting their marbles into next year's quarterback. Yeah, exactly. Probably so, right? Like, why would they, why would they draft a quarterback now?

Exactly, you know, and so, you know, Jill Milrose is a guy that you've heard attached to the Browns, but maybe they're thinking Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco this year, and then you kind of just go in the next year if it doesn't work. The other thing is you can still take Mill Roe, you got that extra second round pick, and if it works with him, then all of a sudden, you know, you have two first rounders next year.

And I'm curious to see the way they navigate that situation. Yeah, the problem with Milrow is you're not going to know about Milrow. That's true. Like, he's a developmental player anyway. Exactly. Right? And so you wouldn't have the information before deciding whether you want a quarterback next year or not. That's a good point.

But I guess that's also you take your shots of quarterback. It's so important. And if we get a high pick next year, we'll address it that way. Seattle's a team, I don't want to say you're keen on, but you've always been intrigued by Mike McDonald. Yeah. They've, you know, they bring in Sam Darnold this year. They didn't love that. Cooper Cup. What direction do you think they go here?

The question is, are they trying to patchwork the offense and caring about that? Or are they trying to just give Mike McDonald toys to give him a top five defense, right? I would be, I would be a little bit interested in seeing like a Jihad Campbell with Mike McDonald, you know, a sort of a toy in the middle of the field who could, who he could move around. I think that would be interesting to me. I think Will Johnson would make sense. I mean, they've got good corners already, but they could make that a strength. Do they care about safety as much?

Also, I mean, they've been needing to get the offensive line right for so long. I could be sold on Josh Simmons or even Gray's Able as just like, this is a guy who's going to play somewhere for us. Well, that's who they're going with here. They're going with Gray's Able. Yeah, so Fran and I hit this. Fred and I hit this in our mock draft that we did. Yeah, Gray's Able makes sense here for them

and continue to add to that offensive line. I think I made the joke that they haven't that... I wonder if they're announcing him as a center or a guard. John Schneider, his first pick was Russell Okong, and he's taken what? This is according to our friend Shield. 22 offensive linemen since then, none have made the Pro Bowl, and I said, Gray's Zabel would be number 23.

And, yeah, I mean, I'm not as high on Gray's able as Fran is, but Fran knows more than I do on this one. Wow. Burying the guy. So this year, this year is a big pick for the Eagles. When I say this year, it's the Tampa Bay pick at 19. Because edge rusher is a Tampa Bay spot. And so if they don't go edge rusher here, if they go corner,

I think the best case scenario for the Eagles is Tampa to go corner. And if they do that, Ezraku drops a bit. Do you like Ezoraku? I really do. And I've liked them throughout the draft process. I think that he needs to add more to his game, but I don't think he lucked in the 16 sacks. Like I think he's quick around the edge.

I think he's the length you can see. I mean, I know he's short, relatively speaking, but terrific length. I know there's a knock on his explosiveness. He looks explosive enough to me. He's a player that I kind of earmarked for the Eagles pretty early on. even before I was on the Walter Nolan train for the Eagles,

I thought Azaraku. So I'm paying close attention to if Tampa Bay goes with him or not. Just to go through some of the specifics on that stuff for Azaraku, 6-2-5, which is relatively short, but he does have long arms, 34 inches, so that helps make up for that. Explosively did just okay at the jumps. 35 and a half inches on the vert, 119 inches on the broad.

that's on the low end of elite edge rushers. So you're sort of selling yourself on, this is a guy who's more polished as a pass rusher. From a like a type standpoint on the edge, given Nolan Smith and Jalix Hunt, you already have, you'll take what you can get from Azizzo Jlari and Josh Usha, but those are your two building blocks. Do you think they care more about adding a guy

who can get after the passer on third down or care more about getting a guy who can win on first and second day? and help get them to third down. Yeah, pass rusher. I think that's exactly what it is. I don't think Nolan Smith and J.Ox Hunt should affect the type of player that you look for. You missed on Bryce Huff, and I think you need someone who can disrupt the quarterback more than anything else.

And as a rock would amaze that type of player, 16 sacks. He showed you that. 16 and a half. 16 and a half. I don't want to, yeah, shortchange him. Two of the year before. to the year before. That is true. That is true. Different, a different defense, but still, Sacks or Sacks. The super chats continue to come in in just vociferous support of Zach

shotgunning a beer. Papp's light, of course. I'm not going to shotgun a beer tonight, but please, if you shotgun any beer, do Papp's light because it's 98 calories. What if we get on, what if we get enough, will you consider it on Saturday? No, because I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, Over at Novocare afterwards, I got, I actually have a family event I have to go to afterwards Saturday night. I can't show up. Yeah, no, I will not. But you know what? How about this?

If we get enough here, when I say get enough, if we have enough viewers here and we have enough diehards here, maybe on Osprey's night, I will shotgun. Because Osprey's night is decidedly not a, you know, school night, so to speak, right? Okay, okay. You know, there wouldn't be any articles I need to write that night. It's during a period when there's no breaking news. I don't need to go talk to Howie afterwards. Maybe if we, I don't know what the number is that we need to hit. Maybe, you know, 60,000 viewers over the weekend.

I don't know. Maybe, you know, if we can add 500 diehards this weekend. I don't know the number, but I am considering if we do something, I will shotgun a beer. also maybe to not just in terms of metrics, maybe we can be philanthropic here. Let's get volunteers to be big brothers, big sisters. And that could-

You're asking a lot just to drink one beer. I don't know. I did a lot of prep work. Make the world a better place. Yes, I did a lot of prep work for the show. I did not prep work the threshold for shotguning a beer. That's very funny. I continue to ask for more from the people.

if we get $500,000 and some of you, you know, take kids out of orphanages, then maybe I will drink a Papps light. Wow, the Buccaneers here are going with Ohio State wide receiver, a Mecca Egbuka. Okay. Interesting. Mecca was a wide receiver I loved in this draft. Loved them.

Want to talk buckets? Yeah, give me the buckets here. Now he's a senior, so that doesn't help you here. No, it does not. He is in the productive and fast, but not so young. So we've got all of our thresholds here, cleared a thousand yards receiving in at least one season, broke four, five, and this 40, but he's a senior.

This is the worst bucket to be in. However, it's also the Devante Smith bucket and the Zay Flowers bucket. Those are the only two of the 16 players drafted in the first two rounds over the past 10 years who have been successful NFL players. others. Anthony Miller, Corey Davis, John Ross, Corey Coleman,

Zay Jones, Sterling Shepard, Kevin White, Jordan Matthews, Paris Campbell, Andy Isabella, Denzel Mims, Chase Claypool, Jahan Dotson, Jaden Reed. That's the bucket you're pulling from here. I like Egbuka. This is an interesting pick to me because the appeal of Egbuka to me is like

we are wide receiver desperate. We need a player who can play and we need two receivers. The bucks are not really that. You know, they brought back Chris Godwin. Now Mike Evans is at the tail end of his career. Wide receivers matter, but this is a bit of a questionable pick as far as I'm concerned. I just really like the player.

It's interesting you bring up Devonthe Smith as far as the bucket. I'm not comparing them in terms of playing style, but in terms of like just the guy you want in your building and, you know, the toughness with which he plays, I don't think Egbuka's a bust. Like I don't, I think he's just going to be a really good NFL wide receiver. I think he does everything right. There's parts, you know, you. But at this selection, if this is a guy who has, you know,

550 yards of receiving each of the next three years, that is kind of a bust. Oh, but I think he's going to be more than, I think he's going to be better than that. But we'll see. You know, they did pay a lot of money to Chris Godwin, like you said. I just, I really like the player. I've liked him his whole time at Ohio State. I've always felt that now you can say he was never the best. wide receiver on his team, right?

Like last year, it was Jeremiah Smith. The year before that was Marvin Harrison. The year before that, you know, Smith, Jake, you know, there's always been someone better.

But to me, like, he is, he just does everything right. I don't think he's going to fail in the league. People in the chat, I do see you, they're sort of just rooting

for Mike Green to go so that the Eagles don't draft Mike Green, which I kind of get. Yeah, I don't know, man. It's kind of approaching. I think if you're an Eagles fan right now, which I imagine if you're watching this, you are.

Although, when France here, we have the preeminent draft expert in the business. I think that Donovan Neziraku should be the guy that you're hoping is the pick. I wouldn't be hoping for that if I was an Eagles fan either. Okay. Who would you be hoping for? Like, would you be hoping for a trade out of the first round at this point? Would you say, like, you know, Malachi Stark's through grid of teeth?

Josh Simmons based on the upside. Because O tackles are falling here. Yeah, Josh Simmons to me would be one that I would be interested in as an Eagles fan. I know that that's not exciting for a lot of people and some people are against the idea of drafting a guy who doesn't necessarily have a place to play right away. I think he could play right guard. But even if he couldn't, you're just thinking about the long-term health of your franchise. I would be more excited about that than even as Iraqu because I think there is second round depth. I think you can trade up in the second round.

I mean, there are so many guys. Landon Jackson, Nick Scorton, JT Tuimolo-Aou, Femio, Jordan Birch, like all of those guys are reasonable second-round picks who sort of, to me, hit the same impact as Donovan Azarako early on. There's also defensive tackles available. To me, Simmons would be the most interesting. I mean, you could, I think Will Johnson would be interesting. Yeah, I mean, I think Josh Simmons would intrigue me more than Will Johnson.

I did write in my notes yesterday. No, I did do a mock draft, by the way. Yeah, so I was about to say this, actually. I'm glad you brought this up, okay? And Jimmy Kemski, I want Jimmy Kempski to know this, okay? Jimmy Kemski texted me this morning, and he says, he doesn't want to bother Bo. Did Bo do a mock draft? And I sent him your video mock.

And so... Don't do that. This is why I'm clarifying this on the air. I'm clarifying this on the air. Now, this was like 930 this morning before you posted. Oh. Yeah. So,

Blue Sky, yeah. Yeah, so Jimmy posted his, his beat writer picks, and he had you taking Colston Love him in a trade. No, no,

no, no, no, no. That's for the views. Okay. That's not, that's not on the record at all. Okay. It literally is,

but no, I hear you. So I was going to say Jimmy, um, uh, on blue sky today. And it's,

it's documented for posterity safe. Yeah. Yeah, for posterity sake, Bo put out his mock draft with Josh Simmons. So, trading up to 29. So Bo would,

get, even if they don't trade up, you would get, if they take Josh Simmons at any point, you would get Josh Simmons as you would hit that. And I think you'd be the only Philly beat writer to hit that. You know, I mentioned in my notes yesterday, like, watch out for Josh Simmons for the exact reason you said. Because if there's anything like Howie Roseman can justify, this is the best tackle on the board. You know, you have to wait four more months or a few more months. I don't even know four months. A few more months. A few more months to see him. But they have the luxury of patience.

Landon Dickerson dropped in large part because he had a torn ACL. The Eagles were able to take a guy who is now one of the elite guards in the NFL because they were just a little more patient. He started by week two. Now, a preteller tendon is different than him. But this was an October injury. This was not like Sidney Jones hurting his Achilles in March. We were also drafting him for five years.

Exactly. Yeah. But my understanding is this isn't a redshirt year for Josh Simmons, that this is someone who can be your swing tackle this year. Now, do you think Josh Simmons can play guard? I do. Okay. And that's a big part of this.

This is not a player like Josh Connerly, who, like one of the negatives, is you're not sure if he can really anchor. That's not the case with Josh Simmons. And so Fran actually, remember, texted Brandon Thorne and asked about it. And he said he didn't think that would be a problem. Yeah. I think that would make sense. I will also say, I do think that Malachi Starx is like the guy who would get the fan base the most excited.

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Gambler. All right. The pick is in for the Denver Bronco is waiting to see what it will be. Do you think this is somebody to help that offense and Bo Nix. A lot of smoke about a running back of a wide receiver. Yeah, there was a lot of talk about Hampton here. There was talk about a tight end. That's not going to be the case anymore.

I'm going to guess Hampton, but I don't have the pick right now. Yeah, let's hear it. Chris breaking it to us. John A. Barron. Interesting. This is one of those, you know, you can't pass up the easy conversion of orange to orange. It's one of those. It's an easy projection.

It's one of those. those. Yeah. Look, I'm kind of with Fran here. I'm not a big Jada Baron guy. I think he had a few different years to distinguish himself. Didn't happen. Comes back his senior year and does it.

You know, doesn't have the athletic profile that I look for. But he was awfully productive this past year. It's a good pick for the Eagles. Yeah, for sure. Right? I mean, they're not going to draft Joday Barron. Yep.

Yeah, that's a little. I mean, listen, maybe people love Joday Barron. Jeremiah loves him, right? Yep. But I do lean more on Fran's side. This is not a player given the profile who would really knock my socks off. Yeah. And the Broncos, there were so much talk about getting someone for that offense, like I said.

So Pittsburgh here coming up, this is an interesting pick at 21 for the Eagles, because this could be Derek Harmon. He's someone who's obviously still on the board. But this also could be Shador Sanders. And if it's, the reason I keep bringing up the quarterbacks is because I do think there is going to be intrigue for teams to trade 232

to get that fifth year option, just like the Eagles, just like the Ravens did in 2018, just like the Teddy Bridgewater year when the Vikings traded in. But it's not... Do you think he'll be on the phone? Guys, last time I had this pick,

this was Lamar Jackson. Come get your guy. Yeah. But I also think the other big part of this too, and again, the Browns thing is a variable here. But let's say the Giants don't trade up, okay? What you want to do is you want to trade in front of the Giants. Like the Giants, I mean, I don't want to say they've telegraphed that they're going

to get a quarterback here, but they've done so much work on quarterbacks. They're there at the top of the second round. If there's a, you know, if you're trying to get in front of the Giants, then you want to trade to 32 to do it. So if, you know, if Shador Sanders goes off the board, Jackson Dart goes off the board here, then that obviously could start the run at quarterbacks. But if quarterbacks linger and the Eagles are, you know,

coming up here 12 picks away, it's particularly intriguing. You think the Giants themselves would move up to 32? Yeah, sure. Probably, right? Yeah, absolutely. You get that fifth year option out of. If you're going to drop the quarterback, you might as well get them, right? Exactly.

Interesting. Okay, so now we're 11 picks away. If you had to put your turkeys on who's going to be the eagle, who would it be? Would it be Mike Green? I'm going to put my turkeys on Ezoraku and Josh Simmons. Okay. And maybe this is like when I manipulate the mock drafts. Like I'm trying to stay far away from the Mike Green thing just because I don't have enough.

It's honestly, and listen, like, whether he did the stuff aside, it's a really tough position to put the kid in. Yeah, exactly. Given everything that the Eagles have said, if you then draft him in the first round, because that's going to be all anybody asks him about. Exactly. You're right.

And, you know, the other part two is, like, there has to be a reason why someone like that falls the 32. And this would be the reason why someone like that falls the 32. And so you have to say, you know, like, it's what we always talk about. Like, like, what can you tolerate? Andy Widal, as we get a shot. the Steelers

draft room. In the, you know, the Gell and Carter situation, right? The Eagles, the Eagles felt

they had an infrastructure in, in place, but that was a different type of situation than this. I mean, not to tolerate one

versus the other, but like, that's a different type of situation here. So this is, this is intriguing. And, you know, back,

what was it, 2017, the Eagles didn't have to make that choice with Joe Mixing, right? Joe, or was, or, no,

he was on the board and they took Sidney Jones. They didn't answer if Joe Mixing got clear. But that was kind of the last one that was like really, you know, that there was no dispute. There was, you know, visual evidence of it, right? So it wasn't as ambiguous.

But this is the Mike Green thing is fascinating. The reason why I'm kind of like skittish when I talk about it is, is I don't have a firm answer for it. I don't think it's as absolute as we've kind of heard. I think as a Raku would be the cleaner for sure. And then Josh Simmons would make a lot of sense for me. The Will Johnson thing is actually pretty interesting to me because it's the same story that you would tell with Josh Simmons, right?

It's just like we didn't think there was any chance this guy was going to be available to us. He's here because there are some injury concerns. But if we think we can lock up the best secondary in football, we think this is a top 15 player in the draft, I could see that as well. That's that. I mean, that is like truly staying true to your board.

I suppose. Now, so, so let's talk about this because I don't understand the cornerback thing. You know, this, look, the Eagles have signal, they brought in corners.

They brought him. Steelers, I will just cut you off at 21. They are, as you hinted, taking Derek Harmon. They are taking Derek Harmon. Okay, yeah,

that's a very Stealers-type pick. Like, you know, I don't confess to know, you know, that, like Andy W. Wyddle is my best friend, but this is like a pick that I would expect any Wido to make is Derek Harmon.

All right. So let's talk corners. Yeah. So to me, it's like they've invested these resources here. First round pick last year, second round pick last year, third round pick last year. Obviously their internal evaluation of Kiel Ringo is going to matter. Has to factor in here, sure. One of the things you said is that, you know, Cooper to Jean can play on. the outside. Now he was so good on the inside, but is it

a prudent use of resources, though, to use a first, a first, a second, and a third on corner? I understand you can play more than one, but to me there's like, there's other like you have to really love Will Johnson and I really like, I really like Will Johnson too, but if Will Johnson's on the board of 32, like there, it has to be more, you know, this isn't the type of, this isn't

like a Josh Simmons situation where it's like a season-ending injury. It has to be something that came up in the medicals that really concerned you. Yeah. But I also, I don't think that, you know, at 32, you have to stay true to your board. If it is a chance to get an impact player,

even if you're loaded at corner, you know, there's a way to get them on the field. Yeah. And that's a super valuable thing to have. And if you have Will Johnson as you know, a top 15 player in this draft, and you would

rather have an edge or a defensive tackle, but those guys are like, you know, a tier below, you would be doing a disservice dropping a tier below. Now, you could say that this is a reason to try to trade back because you don't want to take that guy. Yes. But if you're going to pick, you've got to take the guy from a higher tier. Absolutely. I believe in, you know, sticking to your board and sticking to the tiers. You screw up when you don't do that. But I, it's like the Lamar Jackson thing. I would let someone else go and get them, right? Like, you know, if Will Johnson is as good, as we say he is, then someone would want to trade up the 32 to get him.

I don't know. I could be sold on Will Johnson. What's your view on the cornerbacks? Like Johnson aside. Yeah, I don't think that this is a position where they need to draft somebody. It's just, it's a valuable position. And if you think this guy's a really good player,

then you have the green light to pull the trigger as far as I'm concerned. And so why do you think they've shown the type of interest that they have? You know, Maxwell Harris, and Trey Amos, two guys that they brought in. Yeah. Yeah, these are our first, second round picks. I mean, information gathering.

Okay. Also potential trade-down options, just like guys who, as you're going through scenarios, could be the best player on your board. And then you're thinking, okay, if we're going to make what is a luxury pick, is this guy really worth it? Yeah. I think that's interesting. Let's talk, Will Johnson.

He's friends, you know, corner two after Travis Hunter. You know, he's 22 years old. He had great tape in 2023, right? and then it was just a slight bit down in 2024. And there's small arms concern. I think the arm length for corners has become a little bit less important over the past couple of years. I think Trent McDuffie sort of helped dispel that.

But some of Fran's stuff, a freak list guy, transition quickness stands out, especially for a bigger corner, in and out of breaks really well. Fluid movement and change of direction shows up first double moves, closes fast, long speed shows up in recovery situations. He's not explosive in a short area, but he can turn and run. When he does reroute, he shows off his strength.

I mean, I'm looking at it. It's all red, all blue, with just one red being that he missed multiple games and multiple seasons due to injury. You know, I don't think that he's going to be the pick. But I could be absolutely sold on. We stood there at 32. This guy was standing out like a sore thumb.

We had to do it. Let me ask you this here, okay? Just because I think you should always be skeptical. ABS. So, on, the board right now is Jim Harbaugh and Jesse Minter, the two people in the NFL who know Will Johnson the best.

Their cornerback depth chart right now is Dante Jackson, Cam Hart, Benjamin St. Juist, right? So this is a team that could use cornerback help that Will Johnson starred for Jesse Minter. He was like, he was one of the

recruits who helped turn things around for Jim Harbaugh. If there's anyone who should have like the comfort level and the player and have the accurate evaluation it's right here with Los Angeles Chargers. They very well might take Will Johnson and that answers

the question. That's good framing. That's a good point. But if they pass on it then... I think if they go a defensive player, that would concern me. Okay. If they're going offense to help Justin Herbert, then I wouldn't worry about it quite a time. If this is Amarian Hampton or something like that, which there's word that could be the case. Now they paid Naji Harris.

You know, they it could be Matthew Golden but I'm fascinated to see if this is a... No, that's a really good point. That's a really good point. And maybe it is that there is just something that came up in the discovery phase of injuries in the pre-draft process that has them moving down.

Yeah, and I think it's knee, right? Which, yeah, I think the knee was flagged. Which is something that you think... 15 yards or five yards. Well, I guess we'll see how far falls that. That will show you, right? You're right? I should tell the audience...

There was a fun video of the Chargers' Drafts, I saw on their social. So they did like a fake ranking of the, like, movie characters. And they had Streeter a little bit too high. I mean, I don't know how you could draft Streeter. By the way, talk about facilities, man. When I'm out in LA this year, when I'm out in LA this year, I need to see if I can get a tour of the bolt.

I hear about this bolt facility. Oh, Bolt. The Bolt, that's what it's called. You know how like the Eagles is called Novacare Complex? I thought you said a tour of the bowl. No. It felt like a bit of a different situation. The Bolt, B-O-L-T, I will enunciate.

The Bolt. This is like the eighth wonder of the world. So I'm curious. I know some people in the Chargers organization. I'm curious if I can get in and see that. I think a moderate flex. A huge flex. Not a huge flex.

To tell the audience, at some point here, this is going to be a Bo dream because this is going to be back to Bo and Fran. I will be heading over to the evening. Eagle's facility just to be in position for when Howie and Nick talked to see if how he says, I love you being here. To see how he says tools in his body. The record show 1030, I'm considering cracking the Celsius. Ah, there you go.

Okay. What flavor you got there? This is a Kiwi guava sparkling. Yeah, not my favorite. Now, I did, I knocked, I inadvertently knocked it onto the ground earlier today. You can see that it's dented. I don't know if we're going to have an explosion situation. That was about four hours ago.

I think we should be okay. Oh, oh, no, that wasn't you. Oh, no, no. Oh, yeah, this was me. I elbowed it off the top of the stairs. It was probably more like five hours ago. I think we'll be, I think we'll be safe. This will also be fun because we'll get to see in real time

how quickly you were able to get to the Noviare Complex with your legendary lead foot. Definitely don't have a lead foot. A thousand percent don't have a lead foot. What I have to work on is not, you know, texting when I drive, which I will not do. Now, if the Eagles pick, I can't promise you I won't tweet when I, I won't tweet when I drive, but maybe I'll pull over a 95 tweet and then get that out. The tweet is not that important.

It's much more important to break it on the show. Yeah, but if I'm not, if I'm in the car, I can't do that. Yeah. So. The way that you had to maneuver your body and. It's a big water. And reorient yourself just to take a sip of water from the, like. Lake Victoria that you have over here.

50.7 ounces, man. And that was your first sip of it. I know. My mouth is so dry. I'm keeping it down here because, look, Papp's Light is working hard. Yeah. Look, we're a Paps Light show. I can hide my energy drink behind this hat here.

You know, I shouldn't have given them the free. I shouldn't have said the brand. I can't hide my water behind here. So I'm keeping it down here. You can't hide that of water anywhere. No, that is true. That is true. That was very funny.

All right, Chris, do we have the Chargers pick? Yeah, it's in. It's going to be Matthew Golden. Matthew Golden. Interesting. I don't love Matthew Golden. Not enough production. 16 games couldn't get over 1,000 yards, my man.

I would worry me. Yeah. But they need options. In an absolutely great offense, too. That's a fair point. Yeah. So the Eagles, the Eagles coming up here, Green Bay on the board. Ten picks away.

Ten picks away. Luther Burden. Mason Taylor. Josh Simmons. Josh Connerley. Donovan Azaraku. Mike Green. Jahad Campbell, Will Johnson, Malachi Stark's Nickyman Worry.

We didn't even mention Trey Amos and Maxwell Harrison, who they brought in for. Yes. I mean, you mentioned them, but not just now. I would think. I would think if I had to narrow it down, I think it's going to be Mike Green, Donovan Azaraku, Josh Simmons, or Jihad Campbell, Will Johnson,

you say just we couldn't pass up the best player on our board. By the way, I was wrong about Golden. It is, I got false information. It's Amari and Hampton. Really? Yeah. Interesting. The first round running back.

I apologize to the audience there. I should have gone with. After they signed Najee Harris. I mean, for not a lot of money. but yeah huh a first round running back if if uh and that's from our friend connor hughes who says that interesting i mean let me ask you this i feel better about matthew golden let me ask you this here uh yeah so i i was wrong about my matthie golden i apologize there um let me ask you uh because bj ask you because you're going to be here um doing work for the show with with with fran you're not

able to get to Howie. I mean, I'm able to. I'm just choosing to stay for the show. If it is my green, what would you want to hear from Howley? The process of doing the work on those incidences. Yeah. Like a lot more information on how they view those things. You know, obviously you've got to talk about the player.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's, you shouldn't make a decision based on what you're opening night press conference is going to be. Sure. But I think it's a, I think it's a really tough situation to put the player in, and it's all he's going to get asked about, don't you think?

Yes. Yeah. I mean, look, it's all he would get asked about anywhere, but it's even more pronounced because of Howie's comments. And I thought how he tried to be especially ambiguous and try to walk it back. I didn't like his,

like, framing that he learned that podcast could just take clips as if like. It wasn't out of context in any way. It was literally the clip of it. No, no, took the clip to promote the show. Right? So like people didn't see the whole interview.

They just saw the clip. Right? Which is like, he's like welcome to 2025, Howie Roseman. It's like, yeah, I don't think that's like something that podcasts do. No. Clips. Clips are everywhere. But.

Seeing this? He heard about this? Everywhere I go. Clips, clips. Yeah. It's going to make him rethink a podcast. I think sometimes how he kind of, you know, he's, he's feeling himself a bit when he's on those shows. and he just won the Super Bowl.

He's talking about sex. He just won the Super Bowl. So, yeah. Yeah. That's, honestly, that is the bad news is that he's never going to do another podcast again. I don't know. Maybe he'll come on the P.H.I. Eagle Show. I have some ideas for Howie shows.

I think you made this point in it's true. Because we only ever get to talk to him a couple times when it's like about specific stuff, we never really get like, you know, deep like roster building conversations with Howie. I would like to have some of those conversations. Yeah, you know, and I always say like, you know, you're, a lot of times you're asking eventualities or explanations as opposed to like the big picture theoretical stuff. And, you know, there was a point earlier in Howie's tenure

when we spoke to him more and you're able to have kind of those big picture conversations. Now it's like everything is in these situations where he's just explaining the decision that he made. But, you know, the Mike Green thing would be. fascinating because it's it's it is getting close here now as iraq who's on the board if you're looking at teams that will be looking at at the edge rusher market i i think for josh simmons houston is a team to watch here um if the eagles were to trade up here uh we talked about minnesota as a possible

um trade target team uh but you know kansas city is an edge rusher team Washington's potential edge rusher team denver i'm sorry Detroit certainly an edge rusher team uh so you know detroit It's a team that's been linked to Mike Green. And so I would watch that, but that's also a potential Ezraqu team. Baltimore is a Malachi Stark's possibility. So we'll watch that. Oh, there's one thing that you and I haven't spoken about. And I'm curious about your thoughts here.

Maybe not with this pick. But this jumped out to me when Adam Schaefter had the list of players who could potentially be available this weekend. You've been pretty busy, so I don't know if you saw this article. Okay. But, oh, I'm sorry, Adofi Oway. Yeah, that was interesting to me. I did see that. You know, playing on his fifth year option, had 10 sacks last year.

He's age 26. This is guy who, you know, 6-5, 255, around a 438 coming out of Penn State. I never thought, like, J.J. Watt, or Trey Hendrickson, made a lot of sense for the trade market. But this is someone who would make a lot of sense. Like the Eagles type, I don't think it's as much a projection for the Vic Fangio defense to see how he would fit. So that's one that would really intrigue me here. Now, I don't know what the price would be. You would probably want to give him a contract.

But because he's on that fifth year, you can kind of spread some money out. I'd be curious to see. What did you think of that name when you saw it? I totally agree. That did strike me as somebody who the Eagles would be interested in. And you could sell yourself on, you know, between that and O'Jolari. We've got two young building blocks in Hunt and Nolan Smith. We don't need necessarily a young guy there.

I mean, he's young, but in terms of contract length, we could get by with some shorter-term guys. According to Jordan Shultz, the Eagles are discussing moving up with the Packers. Interesting. So something to watch here. What do you think that would be for? I mean, I would think. Adam Shepter just put out that there is a knee issue for Will Jones. Johnson that is that is scaring teams that's why he hasn't been picked man if they're going up now

oh god i mean i mean i mean i mean i mean i mean i mean i'll put it this way if you're going up now you're trying to jump houston and you're trying to jump houston for an offensive tackle so that that would be that would be who i would watch here like you're seeing what team you're trying to jump it's it's similar to the andre d'aured's situation right an offensive tackle drops houston's in the market for it um you're you're you're jumping it so that would be what would jump out to me if you're trying to jump up to this spot. If it was like you're trading to Houston or L.A.,

I think you're trying to move up for an edge rusher. But if you're trying to move up to the spot, then my guess is for an offensive tackle. Just in time, we have the man walking back in, Fran Duffy. Fran, there are some reports that the Eagles are in talks to potentially move up to 23 here. How are your hits?

now Josh Simmons relative to Andre Dillard younger less fewer questions about the anchor I could see it I mean I did I did predict it but yeah we said so according to Jordan Shultz the Eagles are looking to move up here I've gotten a few texts

from people asking if I know anything I'm still trying to figure this out if you need to focus on the phone no no no reporting that's okay but we were saying and correct me if I'm wrong here if someone, if Eagles are trying to trade up in front of, in front of Houston, it's actually in front of Minnesota.

I'm sorry, I looked at that in Houston. Yeah, but you're probably trying to trade up for an offensive tackle in that case. I think. Or at the very least, an offensive lineman. Yeah. Packers are making their pick. And this is going to be, this is going to be Matthew Golden. Yes.

Okay. There you go. So it is Matthew Golden. He goes to the Packers. The Packers finally using a first-time pick on a wide receiver. Yeah, first time since Chavon, Walker. Walker. Wow. That's the first time. That's the last time they drafted out. I think an offensive skill player. Interesting. Aaron Rogers got to be just beside himself. Well, for many reasons.

Mostly because nobody's talking about him right now, but now they will be. And so there's a little part of him somewhere that is happy. I don't, I don't like that framing. The Eagles are the Eagles are probably discussing every, every pick here. Yeah, but I hear you there. Well, now listen, if that was true and they were trying to move up, you would think that they would be trying to move up again with Minnesota, and Minnesota does not have a second round pick. So this would be a team that would be incentivized to move back. We talked about this.

There are a bunch of teams in this range. Minnesota doesn't have a second. The Rams don't have a second. The Lions at 28 don't have a fifth and have a late third instead of their normal third. Washington, we talked about at 29, has no third and no 2026. So there are places to be able to move up. Man, I just, I just hope it's not Mike Green. I'm getting caught up here just to.

Yeah, you've been killing it. I missed some picks. So Walter Nolan, as you said, goes to the Cardinals. Jamar Stewart goes to the Bengals. Derek Harmon. At 18, 19 is a mecca, Egbuka. 20 to Denver is Jada. Baron, which you just did a hit about.

Barron? Shocking. Yeah. Shocking. And then 21, Derek Harmon, 22, O'Mary in Hampton, and 23 now, Matthew Golden. Were they happy in Denver? Hold on. Okay, there's Denver with John A. Barron.

There's Dallas with Tyler Booker. There's Chicago with Colston Loveland. And there's Arizona with Walter Nolan. I am guessing that if you're stack ranking, how happy they were. Yes. It goes number one, Arizona. By a long shot. Okay.

Number two, Dallas. Yes, correct. Number three, Denver, number four, Chicago. Yeah, Denver is looking. sunny side up in Denver, Chicago is like, they're ready to burn the bar down. You know, the chat, the chat was angry when I jumped on with, with CHGO. That was the first hit I did. Yeah, those guys were in a bad way.

That's very fun. Yeah, there were some interesting insights there to kind of pull. And, you know, honestly, like things that as we were talking, it was like, oh, like this clicks. This is why that's the thing is with all of these selections, you know, yes, teams make bad picks, but they and they happen for bad reasons, but they are well intention. They're not dumb from a like, oh, how are we going to wake up and make a bad pick today kind of thing. I mean, some of them, but. Well, yeah.

Most of them. But I think when you're looking at it's like, all right, well, what did they see here? And so to me, you know, looking at Colston Love and going to the Bears, like, all right, well, Sam La Porta, same similar kind of scouting report, you know, that I had on Colston Loveland. And honestly, and they talked about that. Colson Loveland said that Ben Johnson, that he reminded him of Sam La Porda. The Jada Barron one is just a, that's a tough one. No one was expecting that. That was an interesting conversation.

So, Zach, as you worked the phones here, what are you thinking about whether or not to leave? Yeah, so I was going to say, are you finished with your hits? I'm done. So if the Eagles don't trade to the Minnesota spot, then I'm thinking the head over to NovaCare because at this point, whenever they pick, Howley might rush down. And so we should be on the scene there. So we'll see here. I don't want to get up until Minnesota picks.

Okay, that's reasonable. Because this is the trade spot. But then after that, I will get in the car and I'll hustle over. Man, you know, it's like Einstein's theory of relativity. Have you ever heard of him, his explanation for this? Yeah. No, not Einstein. What he said?

He said. From the Meg Ryan movie? No, he said. The bagels? He said, when you, there's Albert O and then there's Albert E. He said, when you touch a hot stove, he said, when you put your hand on a hot stove for two minutes, it seems like two hours. When you speak to a beautiful woman for two hours, it seems like two minutes.

That's relativity, right? And so the... HZ showing up at 1045 on Thursday night. No, because I actually... It's a line I... Milakuna's talking about there. By the way, the Eagles are trying to trade up to this spot here. But I bring that up because this has been so much fun.

This is like two and a half... This just... This has flown by. It's two hours, 45 minutes. It seems like it's been, you know, it seems like it's been a minute. We've had... Yeah. This has been fun.

Interesting. Yeah, the Eagles are trying to trade up. I mean, who are they realistic? I mean, I think Ezrako would be Josh Simmons. I think Ezrako or Simmons. Now, Mike Green, I mean, because has been telling us all along. They really like Mike Green the player.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know you're not as high on Azaraku, but you saw Azarako as a possibility at 19 to Tampa Bay. So this is the range that you think he would go. Now, how do you feel about Will Johnson? There's this knee issue. Yeah, there's the knee issue.

I would like that pick. I think Bill Johnson is a good player. The Vikings are staying here. And they are taking Donovan Jackson at number 24 overall. This is according to our friend, Alec Lewis, from the athletic. Wow. So, man. Interesting.

So the Eagles are antsy. I'm going to miss you guys. They're antsy. But I am going to join. I'm going to join remotely once I get the Novacare. It's 1047. I won't go too fast. But we'll be, uh, we'll be, uh, we'll be texting.

Yeah. Um, not in the car, but we'll be, we'll be in touch. Okay, good luck. Safe travels. I just want to say to the audience here, the people who've made this work are actually not us here, but everyone behind the glass, so to speak. Yeah. Julia, Brenna and Chris.

Give it up, give it up. All right. Wow. So the Eagles frantic trying to move up. It's interesting now if they don't move up, right? Like then it would tell you. That was for Donovan Jackson? Like,

or they just wait and see? He was 30, is it, right? Ian Rappaport now tweets, yeah. Howie Roseman is working the phones, trying to trade up. So this is, everybody is talking about this now that the Eagles are very antsy right now. Interesting.

Wow. You think they would trade up for Simmons? Do you think they would trade up for Mike Green? Give us the, Zach has been given us the reasons why you like Donovan, Nazaraku. You were a little bit lower on him than consensus. Why? I just to me when I look at, I feel honestly, this applies in ways to Mike Green too. I think they're similar. My concerns for both

my concerns for both are similar. I see smaller compact players that aren't wow athletes that aren't wow like explosive get off the ball like you know, they're going to win with speed consistently out of their stance. And to me that limits your overall upside. That limits. That limits. what are you looking at in terms of can they be that 1A rusher now in this scheme with the eagles maybe that's not as important you know you you've got jalen carter that's going to help you out you already have you do have uh you know nolan smith who the arrow is pointing up you know maybe he's going to ascend to be that kind of that kind of player um you know the eagles have always believed in platooning their defensive lines anyway and so if that's the way you feel then all right well

then you can take a swing on a high floor pass rusher in that way like it as a rock who or like a Mike Green. I liked the way that both play. I just didn't love the ceiling with both. And that's why both are honestly in the same tier when I'm looking at their projection to the NFL. The question that Zach and I were discussing is for the Eagles, given Jalick's Hunt and Nolan Smith, do you think they care more about a guy who can win on first and second down and get them to third down or a guy who can get home on third down? I think they're, depends on who you ask, I think. Yeah. My guess is Vic Fangio, yeah, Vic Vanjo was first and second, right, exactly. And, you know, I think also Vic probably wants a guy that can do both.

Right. So of Ezeraku, Mike Green, who is more well-rounded? They're both pretty similar. Okay. I would say that Mike Green is probably the better, is the better player right now would be my, that would be my assessment. I think if I was just say, like, who's the better player? Off-field issue aside, you know, Ezrako was a captain,

Azaraku was very, very clean off the field. he's a little bit older. But to me, I think as Raku, it's a little bit of a safer play that way. But I think that he's... Got to be for a quarterback. So the Giants are on the clock. They've traded with the Houston Texans to go to 25.

Brand, do you mind moving over a seat? Does that work? Oh, no, the Rams are trading. Does that mean that... Oh, so Houston made a pick. We just don't know what it is yet. And then the Rams will be on the clock at 26. Mason Taylor.

What if it's Mason, Taylor. What if it's Mason Taylor? You think the Eagles a trade up for Mason Taylor? Dude, he was being talked about as a as a first. I had him going to the Chargers in my mock. Yeah. Though it is with the Texans. It's not the Rams, okay.

Oh man. That would be fascinating because not, I mean, Mason Taylor, the prospect aside, who is a talented young player and you like the youth of the profile. Not a lot of explosiveness and like outlier yards per catch very low for a tight end. You don't know about the explosiveness. You're also tanking the Dallas Goddard trade value. Not that you have that you make a decision based on that. Maybe and maybe you just end up to end up releasing him.

If that like if you're trading up for Mason Taylor. Yeah. You're not getting anything for Dallas Goddard. No. I mean, they might not be regardless. Right. Who. Yeah.

a trade up would be crazy. But I'm very curious. Now, do you think the Giants are going Shador here? Or are they going Jackson Dart? No, I think it's Jackson Dart. I've got a text out.

So I'm waiting to hear back. Okay. I think it would be Jackson Dart. From my bold prediction standpoint, I'm hoping that it's Tyler Shuck. We can get the old player. We can get the old in there. I mean, either way.

Although, whether he's shot a band. Either way, Joe Shane's going to be fired next off season. Right. For this pick. I mean, you did a very good job.

the accepted wisdom that a GM would take a quarterback to save his job because it gives him a longer runway has been proven wrong time and time again. It's just like this thing that keeps getting said that, oh yeah, well, you do that and it buys you time. It has been proven time and time again that that is not true. It doesn't mean there's a guarantee to get you fired, but that does not save your job. It's say, oh yeah, we're just going to draft a rookie quarterback. Regardless of how much success that quarterback has.

Yeah. Drake May looked really good this year. Everybody loved Drake May. They'll fire the head coach in OC. So it is Jackson Dart. That's crazy. Great news for the Eagles. The Giants will continue to be bad for quite some time.

I think that's a brutal pick. The trade terms here, this is what we talked about. It's basically it's two thirds. So they're moving up from 34 to 25, sending 99 and then a third rounder next year. So a third this year and a third next year to move up nine spots. That's not a crazy deal. No. If you like the quarterback, but I mean, woof.

Yeah. I am look I what if that's who the eagles were trying to trade up for yeah I had I told you I had a conversation with a scout that covers the state of Mississippi last week the week before and I actually had another one yesterday with a scout that also covers the state and I wanted to talk about the same thing because there's the jackson's darts that was continuing and I said uh we've talked about jackson dart numerous times throughout this process going into the season day three guy through the season, day three guy. Go to the senior ball.

Solid, but he's probably day three guy. No one in Mobile said like, oh, yeah, like, he's going to be a first round pick. He's going to be a second round pick. It wasn't until we got to like February where that started, that buzz started to build. So it's very, very surprising that he ended up in the first round. Obviously, the Giants felt different. You're not making that pick, unless you do. But that is very surprising.

Can I help you by? I'm not even, I'm not even bother. Yeah, I'm not even bother. I mean, it's just this is exactly what a bad franchise would do. Right. It is. Yeah. You trade up to get a quarterback because you need a quarterback.

You're forcing the pick. Nobody really believes this guy is worth a first round pick. It is exactly what it looked like last year during hard docs. These are bumbling buffoons. Yeah. It's, uh, that is, that is very surprising that that was, uh, maybe at least he listened to his son this time. He was right.

Yeah, and he got the highlight video. Great news for the Eagles. You know, my big thing... Is he better than Tommy DeVito right now? I could say, I could say yes. I think he is better than Tommy DeVito. Okay. You know, I think that when you're looking at,

just at that offense, they do such a good job of scheming everything open. You know, guys are wide open consistently. It's very defined. It's a beautiful scheme. I love watching that offense, like aesthetically, very, very pleased. but just time and time again it's proven like guys don't come from that offense and

project well to the NFL and probably an on the nose comment from day niz in the chat who says that you know with with russell wilson and james winston there already the giants once again making sure that by hook or by crook they will not start a black quarterback right yeah it's uh they got they got to do what they have always done on that front If you were a Giants fan, this is a disaster. I would be really surprised if he is the day one starter. Probably so. I would be really, really surprised.

But, I mean, disaster, if you're a Giants fan. You got Abdul Carter. That's nice. Yeah. For the next regime, he'll be helpful. Yeah. Outrageous. I'm still collecting myself. All right, so the Eagles, presumably, still making calls.

Yes. The Rams, as we talked about, do not have a second round pick. So this is one where you could see the Eagles making moves. But Mike Arafola reporting that the Falcons are trading up to 26. They don't have anything to trade. They had like four picks coming in. Future pick. Who are they taking?

So they already took Gieland Walker. Is that right? Yeah. Taking another edge? Maybe a safety. They could be taken one of the safeties. Hold on. Hold on.

I'm going to get you. All right. I got text out. Let me see some of the players that they've been linked to. I wonder if they could double dip. This is a team that doubled it was a team that doubled it was. It would be Will Johnson. Could it be Jihad Campbell?

Could it be Luther Burden? Rahimara. So the head coach, GM and defensive coordinator, we're all at the Georgia Pro Day. Maybe it's Malachi Starx. Could be an offensive lineman. Connerley hasn't gone yet, right? Connerley has not gone yet.

Right. No. Yeah, could be Simmons. Could be Will Johnson. They had him in on a 30-Vives. could be Enminuari. They had him in on 30 visit. They had Harrison in on a 30 visit.

Hmm. This is very interesting. They were, everybody had them as a trade down team. Maybe they're taking Mason Taylor to replace Kyle Pitts. There you go. And then trading Kyle Pitts to the Eagles. All coming full circle. All right.

Since the Falcons are on the clock, let's take our last break. And then that way we can just go live through the Eagles pick. And then the fireworks will ensue. And by the time we get out of this break, there's a good chance that Zach has already arrived to the NoviCare complex. Okay. Let me just get the right window to tell you about the Ashley Fan Cave experience. The contest.

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Mr. Bold prediction, that's okay. That's okay. And the terms of that trade, by the way, they sent a third round pick, and they got back a second. And then, I'm sorry. They sent their second round pick 46 overall. And next year's first and a seven. They traded up next year's first? They traded a second and next year's first?

first for James Pierce. And they got back, now they got back a third this year. What? Wow. Is that where Zach went? He didn't leave to go to the Novacare complex. He went to call Terry Fontenot and make that decision. That's a pick for Zach.

Next year's first. Oh, man. Plus a second when they're going to be a mediocre team. James Pierce better hit. Man, that is, that is surprising. That's a. terrible trade. Surprising.

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Beautiful. That is perfect. That is perfect. I can't believe they gave up a first round pick to move up for peers. The thing is, is that you, no wonder the Eagles could move up. I wonder if that was who they were moved up for. Well, no, but I mean, they're not going to match that price. No, they're never were not.

All right, so we're closing in here now. Yeah, we are. That means Baltimore's on the clock at 27. That's 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, good math. six picks to go for the Eagles and we know that they have been efforting to move up, I would be surprised if the player they were trying to move up for was one of the players who's been picked. Like, I doubt it was Donovan Jackson, right?

Yeah, I doubt it was Joe, I doubt it was, they weren't traded enough for Pierce. Yeah, the thing is, is that you're getting to the point. Obviously, if they were talking, that means there's somebody up there that they're, that they're hunting for, obviously. but you're also getting the point now where we're looking at all these guys are potential at some point that level that that's going to level out who is the player that stands out to them?

So in my mind, six players, let's put Will Johnson to the side. Let's assume that the knees is too much of a concern to use a pick on. Okay? An extra pick on. Like to trade up for it? I'm thinking if you're doing the math,

if we stay at 32, we're going to get one of these players. Right. Let's assume that Will Johnson's all. the board, or red flag. Mike Green, Donovan Azaraku, Josh Simmons,

Jahad Campbell, Malachi Stark, Nickyman Worry. Those are six guys if you're, are you happy with any of those six guys? Knowing that you'll get, you'll get any of them, but you don't get your choice of them.

Definitely. You could add Luther burden to that mix. Yeah. My guess his burden wouldn't be. Right. Josh Connerly is a player who they have brought in for a visit. I wonder if Connerly would be it.

Connerley is interesting. Now, Connolly is different than Simmons. Yes. In that the projection to guard, if you want to get him on the field right away, is a little bit more uncertain because of concerns about his, his anchor. Is that fair? Malachi Stark's off the board. Okay. Baltimore Ravens.

That's a classic. Yeah, that's been, he's been the most often mocked player to the Ravens. Yeah. All right. So, Stark's off the board. That dream is done. going back to your question yes uh Simmons Simmons is a great talent man and to your point you said at the very top that you can

envision howie Roseman Nick Siriani like up at the up at the podium tonight and saying like yeah if he's healthy he plays the entire season there's no way we are able to touch this player picking at 32 and so that you're you're trying to take advantage of the of the of the dip there and trying to get a player that can be not just a tackle of the future but a guy that could also step in and compete at right guard. Do you think Connerly can play guard? I think he can, but I don't think that I would want him competing for it right now.

He's not a guy that wins with play strength and power. He's athletic. I made the comparison when I first started watching him. First blush, he kind of was built and moved a little bit like Jack Driscoll, like a more athletic Jack Driscoll, shorter arms, you know, was a tackle, but to me, like looked like he was a guy that I would have,

have to kick inside in the NFL. As I watched more, I was like, no, like, all right, the athleticism is real. I think I get, like, his feet are really, really good. So I think he's got the ability to play tackle. But the play strength was a concern for me, you know, from Jump Street. And so I, to me, kicking him inside to guard, I think is a little bit of a stretch in year one, in year two, maybe, but in year one, that would be a question mark. Okay, let's talk about Jehad Campbell.

Yep. You know, it would be. silly to think the Eagles are going to pay a linebacker at the top of the market and then draft a linebacker in the first round. But especially given the shoulder surgery too. Right. He's likely to start the season on NFI. He had he got shoulder surgery after the combine. And then also apparently before that people were worried, oh, like, you know, it's the classic like Alabama wear and tear. All those guys go hard every single day in practice. His first two years under Nick Sabin. It was they, they were going to battle every single day. So, you know, but.

That's part for the course with an Alabama player. I really like Jahad Campbell. My gut says he falls out of the first round, but we'll see. I guess there's a chat. There are a couple teams here down the stretch where I think he could end up. Washington is the one that stands out.

Okay. So let's play what you think the Eagles would do and what you would do of, let's just narrow it to Josh Simmons, Donovan Azaraku, Mike Green, Nickymanwari. Azaraku for the Eagles.

You think that's what they would do? I think so. Asiraku or green. Okay. And what would you do? He said it was Simmons, Azaraku, green, Emuonwari. Yeah. Simmons and Eminwari would be the highest graded players on the same tier.

I have a higher grade on Iminwari. But positional value, yeah, but positional value, I would say, Imanwari is younger. Emanwari is higher, is better character of use. Elite athlete.

Now, Simmons would have been an elite athlete as well. He is, that's the best trait with Simmons. A guy that big is really athletic, weapon on the move. Like he, he absolutely fits for Jeff Stalwood.

So I could, I could see it. I could definitely see it. Okay. I don't know. Is there anybody we're not thinking of? Here's the thing. As I'm gaming this out. What's squorting?

Mason Taylor. I got back to Mason Taylor too. Yeah, Mason Taylor. I forget about it. Yeah, I go back to Mason Taylor. But here's why I would go Simmons. The drop-off in this class at tackle, if you're thinking about this guy, could be a starting tackle for us, is pretty significant.

Ersery, you could maybe get in the second round. We talked about Connerly. You know, Seven IEA is probably more of a guard. You know, do you love Charles Grant or Anthony Belton? Probably not enough to pencil them in as a starter. whereas if you don't go as Araku in the second round there's a good chance you're still going to be able to get Tui Moloow or Scorton or Landon Jackson

Femiola Deja who we know they like if I'm trying to get both of those things I would much rather get Simmons now but yeah now and then the drop off a tackle is real it's a pretty steep drop off and I think there's I think there's a nice little leveling of edge where even if you stay at 64 you're probably going to get solid player, you know,

the Landon Jackson's, the Toimolo-O-Ws, like all those guys are probably, they're going to go between the Eagles picks, but that means there's the old players that you, you know, the old dejos and the guys like that are going to be there. Yeah, I think you would have to take the tackle. All right.

Our man has arrived on the scene. Zach Berman. Okay, we're going to see, we're going to see how the connection is. ZB, how we doing? Is the connection okay? It's not bad. It's all right.

You look good, sound good, Z. Okay, good to see you. Is the audio okay? Okay. All right, the Detroit lines are taking Ohio State defensive tackle, Tileak Williams. Really? That's a bit of a surprise first round pick.

Yeah, he had been, there had been, he was sneaking into mock drafts at times, good player. A little boom bust there, but this defensive tackle group was starting to, was starting to thin out a little bit, but Azaraku sneaks past, Zach.

So Azaraku is still on the board here. Mike Green, that was another popular spot from Mike Green and mock draft. So there we go. Another defensive spot that opens up here. All right. Now we are in range. I'm going to give you this list of the 25 players drafted since 2010 between picks 28 and 36.

So four spots within 32 in either direction. And you tell me if anything jumps out here. Two quarterbacks, Lamar Jackson and Derrick Carr. Four running backs, Mark Ingram, Doug Martin, Nick Chubb, and D'Andre Swift. One wide receiver, Debo Samuel. Three tight ends. David and Joku, Sam Leporta, and Zach Ertz. One tackle, Ryan Ramchick.

Two interior offensive linemen, Joel Botonio and Travis Frederick. Two edges, T.J. Watt and to Marcus Lawrence. Two defensive tackles, Muhammad Wilkerson and Cameron Hayward. Two linebackers, Patrick Crean and Darius Leonard. Two corners, Byron Murphy and Darius Slay. Four safeties. Harrison Smith, Landon Collins, Buda Baker, Xavier McKinney. Anything interesting to you there, Zach?

I'm trying to figure out what the connective tissue is there. I don't have a good answer for that. No, what? No, that's not a leading question. I'm asking if anything jumps out to. I mean, to me, it's like the elite positions, as you would expect, you're not going to find an elite player for the most part. Oh, yeah.

You have a better chance at a player at a non-premium position hitting, but that doesn't mean that that's the direction you need to go. That's fair. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I still think the same two players that we talked about when I left the studio are on the board now. And to me, the value of Josh Simmons is like the most Howie pick, that Donovan Azaraku pick, I think is like the most, it's the most sensible in that he helps you right away, clean off the field, good athletic profile in terms of, you know, look, he ran well, long arms. you would like if maybe he was a little taller and a little bigger. But to me, as a Rocco just makes a lot of sense. He's someone who I had earmarked a long time throughout this draft process.

So to me, Simmons or Azuraku or two guys that I could really get behind here. Now, Zach, how do you feel about the possibility of Mason Taylor, which Fran has brought up? You know what? Like, to me, there's players of premium positions who are available, who I would sooner go with. but the argument that we've heard throughout the draft process to me is sound, which is at 32 you want to get a good player, right? You're like you're not getting, you know, you're not getting, you don't go into 32 thinking you're going to get like a franchise cornerstone.

If Mason Tower to you is a guy who's a legit starting tight end in the league, I'll put it this way. You're not going to get Mason Taylor, in my opinion, 32 picks later. So unless you are confident you can trade back five to eight spots, if Mason Taylor is someone that you targeted, if Mason Taylor is someone that you like, then I'm okay with you taking Mason Taylor. I would just sooner go with the edge rusher or the offensive tackle when there's clear first round value on the board. And I view as Rock you as first round value. Now, you know, I know earlier in this process, Fran had like a fourth round grade on him or fourth round projection on him rather, right? He's someone who has, I think, risen in the pre-draft process.

The way that he ran at the combine certainly helped them. But to me, like 16 and a half sacks, as we talked about, and I understand there wasn't as much production before there. The measurements you like from everything I understand, off-field, just really, like, checks a lot of boxes there. To me, it's just a clean pick at a premium position, so I would sooner go that over tight end. I do want to take a second to talk about the race.

Ravens pick, Julia, which is the hidden gem presented by Golden Nugget Jewelers. And this is one that broke the hearts of a lot of Eagles fans going Malachi-Starks to pair with the great safety that they already have. Fran, Kyle Hamilton, how do you feel about that pairing in Baltimore? It feels very Ravens. Yeah, it certainly does. You know, the Ravens, as the saying goes, good players always find their way to fall to the Baltimore Ravens.

And it's typically because, oh, this guy didn't test well. he's a little bit undersized, you know, oh, there's this injury, and then he falls to them, and then, boom, they've got a five-time pro bowler on their hands. And so Malachi Stark certainly fits from that way. We remember playing the Ravens, the Eagles playing the Ravens earlier this year and all the issues they had in that secondary. And one of the things they did to try and correct that was, all right, we're going to take Kyle Hamilton from that, you know, big nickel, like patrol the middle of the field kind of situation. We're just going to play him deep. Well, now I think this is going to allow them to take Starks. They're going to put Starks on the

back end of the field. Now they're going to bring Hamilton back. That just gives them more versatility for Kyle Hamilton in his role, allow him to be the best version of himself, give Malachi Starks to be the ability to be the best version of himself on the back end of that defense. I kind of like for him going somewhere where he doesn't have to be the guy and he gets to be the other safety that seems like that's a pretty good fit. How do you feel about that one, Zach? Yeah, I think Fran hit on the head a very Ravens pick, right? I mean, and I think this is one where when we all pick up our heads three years from now or five years from now, you say like, wow, you know, they nailed that pick because I just think he's a good player going to a good situation.

And, you know, there's a reason why the Ravens tend to get these, you know, there's positions where they miss on, but this is one where they let the board come to them. I've been saying all along, I think Malachi Starks is a legit first rounder. I think he's one of the best players in this draft. I thought he would have been a fine pick or a good pick for the Eagles at 32. It wasn't a predictive pick from my perspective, but it was more like if I was in those shoes, it would make a lot of sense.

I get why the Baltimore Ravens did it, and you're absolutely right, though. Like, he's not, he doesn't have to be the front-line player on that defense. He's playing with the guy who I think is the best safety in the NFL and Kyle Hamilton. All right, that'll do it for the hidden gem presented by Golden Nugget Jewelers,

a nice value for the Baltimore Ravens at 27. All right, the commanders are on the clock at 29. We are really closing in here. Is there anybody else? that we need to talk about is nick scorton a possibility at 32 yeah i that's what that was the name i thought of if they if they stay put i think scorten makes sense tony paulin threw out oliphemi oladajia was a possible pick that that would surprise me um old dejie this early the pick is not in yet for washington um even uh you know privately uh although hold on let's see i erciari

could he be a surprise at 32 carson squesinger yeah there he was good he's been getting especially because of the injury to Jihad Campbell. There has been a little bit of late buzz. First Westinger sneaking into the back end of the first round. And then they brought in both Trey Amos and Maxwell Hirston. Yeah. It'd be tough to do that over Will Johnson even with the knee. I agree.

The Will Johnson one is another one where it's like, this is a blue chip player. He is a tier separate from everybody else. Connerly just went to Washington. Connerly to Washington. Interesting. To me, Josh Connolly before Josh Simmons.

Yeah. Is that what, that's what you predicted? Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. You did. Yeah. I shouldn't have been patting myself on the back.

You should. Take a whiff. You can pat yourself on the back. I am curious. Bo and I were talking about it. Ben, this relates to the Will Johnson conversation. What's your perspective on cornerback with the Eagles? Do you think that's a poor allocation of resources to go first round pick,

second round pick, third round pick, then first round pick the following year on corner. Yeah, I think it's less than ideal, but if you're getting a great player, you're getting a great player. I think at the end of the day, that's how I feel about it. I don't think that that would be like the perfect outcome for them, but, you know, it's one of those where would you, do you, are you, is it going to keep you from taking

who you think is the best player by far on the board? I don't think it's enough to move the needle that way. Is this also, is there anybody now, would you be willing to trade back at 32, right? Yeah. If New Orleans wants to come up to take that third quarterback, you know, you're only moving back five spots or whatever. We get to have a nice celebration here and come back tomorrow.

Yeah, I mean, I think that that is, I mean, we've talked about that possibility over the course of this entire offseason, that, you know, how he Rose, the ability to collect more picks. We've talked about all these different players. There are a lot of players on the board that we could see them, selecting. And so multiple of those players are going to be on the board for them if they stay put at 32. And if you if you think that it's the line flattens out even further than that, then yeah, they could get some value in trading back further. I think what is interesting to me about

the way that the board is right now for the Eagles is that unless it's Will Johnson or Luther Burden or maybe Josh Simmons, they're going to be telling us the truth about a position that they prioritize, right? I don't think that they could take an edge and be like this guy was was glaringly standing out over everybody else in our board. We know that they like Mike, Mike Green, but to me, that's like this was their position preference and he was the guy that they liked the most at that position as opposed to like, we just could not pass up Will Johnson or we could not pass up a future left tackle in Josh Simmons. So I'm very curious to see what they do. I'm curious from both your guys' perspectives.

I know I was in the car when you were speaking about the Falcons trade, but I bring this up because what I mean, I love James Pierce. I would not have made the trade. But, but I think it's a crazy trade. And it shows a GM that's kind of, I don't want to say embattled, but it's like GMing for his job. You know, if the Falcons didn't win this year, probably someone else's picked next year anyways, right? but I bring it up because there was a year I forget which year it was.

I should know this. But there was a trade that kind of screwed up all the values that came thereafter. Do you remember what I'm talking about? Oh, it was the Marcus Davenport trade, I believe. Yeah, okay. Or, yeah. And so I bring it up as a way of saying,

do you think the Falcons Ram's trade would affect the trades that are happening thereafter or do you think teams around the league are like, yeah, that's not. the price, right? Like, like, we can't, you know, you can't expect us to pay the Falcons price. That was a complete outlier here. It's probably more the Giants price that we're talking about. Yeah, I mean, that's the part of it too. Is they like they, who are they getting ahead of? Yeah, whatever. And man, that is that is that, that, that's the most surprising thing to happen

tonight is them giving up that amount of capital to move up for, for James Pierce. Crazy. Wow. All right, we're three picks away. The bills are on the clock at 30. I'm waiting on a response. I'm waiting on a response from Buffalo. Oh, man. And now do you guys think, do you guys think that the Eagles want to avoid? You guys, yeah, do you guys think the Eagles want to avoid a Mike Green decision? Like, do you think there's people in that room who are like, please go because, you know, let's say.

I'm sure there are. Yeah. Yeah. Like, let's say in theory he's Bob Lang among them. Like, he's, let's say he's, he's not off their board, but like, they just don't want to they get to that point where, like, they, you know, he's, he's not this, this outlier on their board. Do you think they're like, someone take them so we don't have to make this decision? I'm sure there are people who are thinking that, yes.

Yeah. What's the, what's the, I know we talked about him, but what, give me the, the upside cell on Mike Green, Fran. Trent Cole. Yeah. I think, you look at body type, you look at play personality, you know, now Trent Cole went in the fifth round. But I think when you look at the vice. violence with which he plays with the the play personality he's a little bit undersized more of a compact frame but he's always going you know balls to the wall 100 miles an hour uh that's the way that

mike green plays uh i think that you know the similarities are apparent that you know that's why i feel you know Andy reed might see the same thing i've mocked him twice to the kansas city chiefs in the last week for that reason um you know i know the chiefs are looking at if it's not josh simmons at a pass rusher and they're going to look like they're going to have options uh here for for both when they when they're up on the clock next uh as we wait for buffalo so still. But did not test at the combine so we don't have athletic numbers on him? He did

pro-day and he didn't run he didn't do the 40. He just did three cone. He did three cone and it was outstanding. Yeah, the shuttles were very, very good which, you know, that is important at that position. You know, so that that stuff came through well. Bombers are not super long. 6.3-251. Not even super long.

They're very short. 32 and 33 and 3.3 is like 10th percentile. I mean, he had 17 sacks last year, but four and a half sacks the year for at Marshall. Off the bench. Yep. You know, left the Virginia program, but didn't do anything productive there.

Again, when I, when I studied him, I thought more of a solid, like, complimentary guy. Yeah, Buffalo's taking the corner, Maxwell Harrison from Kentucky. Interesting. All right. He was one of the more highly nonched players to them. Another easy

transition, blue to blue. I think that's what they were thinking when they made that choice. It was probably a tiebreaker in the room, honestly. Got to be. right. Beau's rationale for the baron pick was that they could project him in orange orange. It occurred

to me as we were, as I was on with DNVR, so Vance Joseph is the defensive coordinator for the Denver Broncos. The former DB coach for the Texas Longhorns who was now Kellan Moore's DB coach in New Orleans was Mickey Joseph Van Joseph's brother.

Wow. You are truly deranged. That's beautiful. They were, they liked that one. Did you know one, Zach? I actually did, yeah. But did you had you already put it together? No, I did not put it together. That's my friends, the best in the business. There we go. I like that. How's the vibe over there, Zach? Yeah. Honestly, I feel bad that I wasn't very friendly. I walked in the door, went right out. I came with energy. I was like, hello, great to see everybody, and just went right upstairs. Didn't stop the talk.

Did not pass go. Did not collect $200, right? Okay. Just went right upstairs. Well, we're two picks away now. So in the chat, let us know, who do you want? I mean, this is it. We're about to be on the clock. Who do you want?

Do you want Josh Simmons? Do you want Mike Green? Do you want Donovan Azaraku? Do you want Jehade Campbell? Do you want Will Johnson? Do you want Nick Eamon Worry? Do you want Luther Burden? Do you want Mason Taylor?

Do you want Nick Scorton? I mean, I really like Nick Gordon as a play. Like I wrote it today. I've said it before. To me, he reminds me of Brandon Grant coming out of Michigan, but even just in terms of just like what you hear about him too. Now, I don't know if the 36, you're laughing there. Is that something that was set on set or?

Philly trade. Eagles trade. I don't know what it is. Moving up one spot? Eagles are on the clock moving up one spot according to Mike Gereffolo Oh my God, here we go What's gonna happen?

What do we think? And why are they moving up one spot? You're competing with somebody Yeah, somebody's what they did with Jalen Carter What do you think the cost is to move up one spot? One of those fifths? One of those fifths, that would be my guess. Okay.

This is interesting. All right, everybody on the record. Who would you pick? Who are they going to pick? I would pick Josh Simmons. Yeah. I think they are going to pick Josh Simmons

I think they're going to pick Donovan Azaraku I think that if they were going to pick Josh Simmons the chiefs wouldn't have made this trade I could be wrong if you recall when the Eagles were when the Eagles lost the Super Bowl

to the Chiefs the Chiefs try trading up to the Eagles pick for Nolan Smith the Eagles wouldn't do the trade because they were going after the same guy I wonder if the same thing is happening here that it has to not be the same guy. And who would you pick, Zach? I would pick Ezraucco or Simmons. I'd be okay with either one of them.

Ezeraku, because I like edge rusher, but if you think Simmons is the best offensive tackle on the draft, I would not knock that pick. Brad, how about you? Simmons would be, I think, who I would lean towards. As far as who I think they're going to, I'm going to go, I'm going to go Ezeraku. Okay.

Mike Airfellow says it's 164, so it is just one of their fifth round picks that they have used to move up one spot. This is so exciting. Who's it going to be? The Super Bowl champion, Philadelphia Eagles. Who were they adding? Maybe it's Will Johnson.

Maybe it is Will Johnson. I could be sold on Will Johnson? Yeah. Guys standing out like a sore thumb on our board. I could very easily sell Will Johnson. Couldn't pass it up. What do we think? Anybody have to pee back there?

I'm wearing diapers. People seem split. I see some Campbell love. I see some even Worry love. Rand, if you get it, share it. Who's it going to be? Who's it going to be? I'm working on it too.

Nickyman Worry. Will Johnson, John Campbell. Josh Simmons, Mike Green, Donovan has a rock. Mason Taylor. Mason Taylor, yeah. Luther Burton. Taylor. He keeps forgetting about him.

I got dots. I got a text message coming. Uh-oh. I got dots. Hold on. He's got dots. We got dots. Is it going to be?

Is it Jahan Dotson? I like the idea of my source just like, just, yeah, just messing with you. Trying to tank me. Yeah. Intrigue is killing right now. Oh my gosh. Willie Lampkin. Willie Lampkin is the Pooze.

It's going to be. The Philadelphia Eagles coming off the Super Bowl. Oh, here. They're taking. Campbell. Jehad Campbell. The Eagles are taking... I'm just going to text Campbell.

Alabama's. Jahad Campbell. This is a new Philadelphia Eagles. We love linebackers. They are adding to Zach Bond. Jahad Campbell, a player who you could tell me was standing out like a sore thumb on their board. A linebacker who has some edge rushing versatility.

Fran, break down what is so intriguing about Jihad Campbell. I love the play personality. his ability to come downhill and hit people in the mouth. He's going to fit this Vic Fangio scheme really, really well. Remember the defensive mentality, one of the reasons why that that unit was so confident that they were going to beat the Kansas City Chiefs in the Super Bowl was that they were going to out physical them. Jihad Campbell is going to match that.

So you talk about like the dog mentality aspect of things. First time since 1979, the Eagles have drafted the linebacker in the first round. I'm still coming to grips with that. But when I go back to my Jahad Campbell, to his scouting report, his versus is another thing that stands out. This is a guy that some people felt could be an edge rusher. This is also a Zach Bond type of comparison here. Because his first couple of years at Alabama, he was an outside linebacker by trade and then made the move to offball linebacker midway through his career, took off, had an outstanding

season this past year, first year in that new scheme, first team LSC, 117 tackles, 12 TFLs, five sacks. He's big. He's outstanding plays in pursuit. He's strong. He's powerful. He had five sacks here like I mentioned, but also I thought he showed some coverage chops as well. So similar to Bonn in that way. He's not the same athlete as Bond, but I think that when you're looking at, you know, his ability to play in space is a little bit underrated in my mind. Never misses tackles as the other one. You know, he had a 7% miss tackle rate over the course of his entire career. That's 90th percentile, 90 plus percentile amongst all linebackers drafted in the last decade. Yeah, Jihad Campbell, he's a fun, fun player. We just saw a clip of the Eagles War Room. Howie Roseman,

very fired up and given his high-fives to Jeffrey Lurie and Nick Siriani, as you would expect, but he seemed very fired up here, Zach. Why do you think that the Eagles are so excited about the addition of Jahad Campbell to this defense? Yeah, I'm very curious about this pit. And great job breaking it.

I think the athletic profile jumps out. I'm curious, like Fran said, if they think there's some edge rush or to his game, that's one thing that even kind of before the changes in that Alabama defense with with Sabin. You heard about the inside, outside, versatility. And when there's a lot of talk about Jalen Walker in your pre-Jaf process, Jahad Campbell's name came up as someone who could potentially

play on the edge. So I'm curious to see if they project him as a potential edge rush or kind of the reverse Zach Bond move. If this is for an offball linebacker, that doesn't strike me as a very eagle's pick. But from the talent perspective, from the athleticism, from the side, I mean, you know, This makes a lot of sense. And I would also say, Vic Fangio, he said it this year. I asked him. He said the position he feels most confident and comfortable evaluating is linebacker. So we know Vic Fangio has juice in there.

This would be this. I'm very curious to see if they feel like he can play edge rusher. But regardless, this is a guy you want to get on the field because of the athletic profile. It was a big piece of that Alabama defense. And, Zach, where is he from? he's from south jersey right camden gloucester township gloucester township he went to yeah he went to uh he went to timber creek uh and and and credit to i think danel jeremiah had him in the in the mock draft as as as as right to something he said there i will tell you what is a little bit interesting to me about this as well

this is this is big picture thinking that's probably over analyzing it but if you think that uh everything that zach bond can do unlocks something about this defense, having that versatility from being able to change your fronts and come down to the line of scrimmage and be so dominant in the line of scrimmage. If you think Jahad Campbell is like that, the Zach Bond deal is basically a two-year deal, right? This is a player who you're not sure how he's going to age. He is already 28 years old. And so if you think you're drafting a guy who can be Zach Bonn, that's very lofty. I mean, he was one of the best players in football last year. This is the 32nd overall pick. But if you think that changes something about what you can do on defense,

this is sort of insurance for being able to have that long term. That's a good point. Very interesting. Now, I do think, I was sort of trying to hint at this at when you're picking at the back end of the first round, that I don't think that the normal Eagles rules apply because you would rather have an elite player at a different position than an also ran at an important position. So this is very interesting to me. obviously they love the guy enough to move up for him.

Jahad Campbell, Philadelphia, 2025, a first round linebacker. Cats and dogs? Go ahead. I should have offered the pick with a little more enthusiasm. I was like, I would think I was a little taken aback when I saw it. And I was trying to convince myself, is that am I getting the correct information here? Because in my 14 years covering the team, they have never drafted an off-pawed linebacker in the first round. But again, like Bo said, this could be a new leaf for the Eagles.

And I think they'll probably look at it as just a really good football player who you want to get in your building. And I will say, before the Atlanta Falcons gave up a future first round pick to trade for James Pierce Jr., they selected Jalen Walker 15th overall. Yeah. In my mind, in my evaluation, Jihad Campbell is a better pass rusher than Jalen Walker. And Jihad Campbell's a better offball linebacker than Jailen Walker. I think he's a better player. I had a clearly higher grade on him.

To me, I like the pick from a value standpoint in terms of like, he was my, let me pull up my board real quick. He was up there on my board. Yeah, he was my 23rd player. Right. He was the highest player in that,

in that tier of, I had 30 plus players in that tier. He was my highest player. It is also, I mean, you don't draft for need, but it is the only position on the roster. where you couldn't really line up and play week one, right?

I mean, you're probably not going to trot out Jeremiah Trotter Jr. next to Zach Bonn when the season starts. And so this is a glaring hole in the roster. I think it's fair to say that, you know, Nicopi Dean's future is in question now. This is a player who's coming off a very significant injury and probably not going to be back until, at the very least, the second half of the season.

You know, they're not making this pick because of that. But I think it's fair to say that, you know, is the guy who they want in the middle of the defense for a long time to come. Although I am curious to see to your point, Zach, about what they say about his, his flexibility as a rusher. Yeah. Fran, how would you use him? I think you have the ability to use him in a number of different ways. I'm going to be honest.

One of the things, I remember the first night at the combine was the first workout of the combine was front seven players. So you had your defensive linemen and your linebackers. Campbell worked out with the linebackers, but teams wanted to, wanted to see what he looked like doing the defensive line drills. So they brought back out, you know, the hoops and some of the other drills that they had defensive linemen do throughout the course of that workout and had Campbell go through the paces of all of them.

And I was, I was blown. I was like, man, he looks like a first round quality edge rusher watching him run the hoops and go through all of that. So not surprising at all that the Eagles would find some extra value here because of what he can do off the edge. I am very interested to hear Nick Siriani and Howie Roseman speak about Jahad Campbell. We were asked, I'm seeing this question. come through a number of times in the chat.

Why trade up one spot for him? What's the motivation there? It's similar to what they did with Jalen Carter, where you're moving up, you are moving up one spot to make sure that no other team is going to move up with Kansas City. Kansas City ended up trading back to 32. They take Josh Simmons there.

And so they move back. They're still going to get their guy. But the Eagles go up to make sure, hey, you know what? The New Orleans Saints aren't going to trade up and select Jahad Campbell there at the 31st. pick. So you're paying for that security there in that instance. 6.3.2.35. We're in a 4-5-2.40 at the combine with a 158, 10-yard split. 10 feet, 7 inches in the broad jump. That's pretty good. 21 years old. And he started 21 games in three seasons at Alabama.

So you like the age profile. You mentioned that there's the shoulder concern. Yes. And that he was maybe a little bit beat up. But even that said, not a ton of, you know, tread on the tire, or there is a lot of tread on the tire left because he didn't only play three years. Yeah, I mean, he's only played 1,300 snaps in his career. That's not a lot of football. And so, yeah, they practice hard and all that. But, you know, the shoulder was the concern. He got the surgery right after the combine. So it couldn't do anything pro day wise or private workout wise. And it looks like there's a chance that he, again, has to start the season on NFI. But, you know, even just as I'm looking at my notes right now, you guys know, I color code my notes. So it's blue for

positive, red for negative. I've got no red. There's not one speck of red on all my notes and going through Jehad Campbell. Everything was either positive or at least solid across the board. Coverage, pass rush, run defense, physical tools, body type. He just checked all the boxes. Zach, what are the things that you want to ask Howie and Nick Siriani and just so everybody knows? We will we will close the show at some point here before that press conference and then we will have video coverage on the PHLY YouTube page with some videos on demand about what those guys said. What are you looking forward to asking them, Zach? Yeah, obviously the usage. And I imagine that they're going to say they just want to get him in. But I'm curious if they view

him more as an offball linebacker or as an edge rusher. That's really the first thing that jumps out to me. The health component, like Fran said, is this someone who you're expecting to have in training camp. I'm not as curious for the trade. I think Fran kind of outline that, but the usage perspective is what really jumps out to me. Are they viewing him as an edge rusher? Are they viewing him as an offball linebacker?

He's a different type of player than Nicobi Dean. Like, this is not, I don't view him as a Nicobi Dean replacement, right? He's more similar to Zach Bond. You know, it's funny, too. It occurred to me, I was driving in here. I was driving into the studio. It was a couple of weeks ago. I think I said it to you when I walked in.

It was just clear. I was driving. I was thinking about the draft. I was thinking about the players. I was thinking about Jehad Campbell. Yeah. And I was thinking about it. I think I just had a conversation with somebody about him.

And I was thinking about him. I said, you know what? I loved Quay Walker to think going back to Nacobo Dean. Nicole Dean, his running mate at Georgia was quite. The similarities with he and Quay Walker, Quay Walker was a first round pick as well. Went a little bit earlier than Campbell did. But you're talking to again, like big physical, just check all.

all the boxes there. He's further along, Campbell is than what Quay Walker. Quay Walker was very green at the position. It is still kind of working his way through. I think Campbell is a better player. But Walker, again, he's been a good starter for the Packers.

Really, since he's, since he got drafted. And just from a, like, that defense was so fun to watch last year from just a violence standpoint. He matches that.

Yeah, it's going to be fun to watch. He's going to be really like, now, training camp is tough because linebackers are tough in training camp because they can't hit. But man,

I can't wait to see this guy play his first game. It's going to be so fun in the middle of that defense. Yeah. And again, he's because he's six three, he's 235 pounds. Like there are times where, you know, he's not the Isaiah Simmons. Like, oh my God, look at how athletic this guy is. But he is, he's a, for a guy who is that big, he is very athletic. Well, he has a position.

Well, I thought, man, that's part of it. That helps him in that, in that instance, for sure. But, yeah, he's, he's a fun player. This is a good pick by the Eagles. He was a high school wide receiver. I forgot about that part of it as well. He went down to IMG Academy for his final year of high school. So only played three years of Timber Creek, then moved down to Florida.

I went to IMG Academy. That's where, you know, Nolan Smith, Eli Ricks, a bunch of former Eagles have come through there. And just to close the loop, the Chiefs at 32, are taking Josh Simmons, the Ohio State tackle. And listen, this is also, this is going back to after last season with the Toledo pick of Quinion, Mitchell, sort of bread and butter for the Eagles pounding the blue blood programs sticking with one of the best players on one of the best teams in college football.

Zach, I know you've got to get going in a minute. Give us your final thoughts on the way that round one unfolded. I don't think they reached, right? Like, I think they got a clear first round pick in terms of talent, in terms of, you know, we know they value athleticism.

He has the athletic profile. I think it's like and I think he plays right away. you get them on the field, you can figure out how to use them. I'm curious to see where they use them. It would surprise me if they spent a first-round pick on an off-ball linebacker. That's why I'm thinking there might be some more edge in his profile. But regardless, you know, I like Desiracu more.

I admit that. Josh Simmons intrigues me, but I'm not going to knock this pick because to me he's just like a good football player who you can get him on the field and he'll contribute on this defense. and between the youth, the athleticism, like demonstrated ability at Alabama, played in multiple types of defenses there. So it's a pick you can completely understand.

I do wonder if they could have traded back, but yeah, I mean, this is not a reach by any stretch. And we'll see how they follow it up tomorrow. I think it's just a good, smart, solid pick for a team that just won the Super Bowl. Ian Rappaport saying that the Eagles, when they were trying to move up, were trying to move up for Jehad Campbell,

said they thought they had a deal with the Chargers before the Chargers picked, and this is the player that they wanted. So, interesting. Can you imagine if they trade up the 22 and they took Jehad Campbell? Crazy. You know what I would have done? I would have traded up the 22,

and then I would have taken the Falcons, you know, the Falcons deal, get out of the first round, right? All right. Zach, thank you very much. We appreciate it. We'll talk to you in a little bit. And then, of course, we'll be back tomorrow night, starting at 630 for the second round for the Eagles.

Now, I have some breaking news from behind the desk, and that is that if this video gets 500 likes before the time we have closed the show, our social man, Chris, will shotgun at Papp's Light. Now, these are tall boys, so you've got to keep that of mind. I don't think he understood what he was getting himself into. All right, we're at 494, so we need six more. if you haven't liked it, it's right down there.

Six more likes. That seems like a done deal. I mean, come on. And Julia says she'll take a sip of scotch. I will say too, by the way, while I have your attention, when I went on with DLS earlier, I may have talked some smack about the diehard situation, us pulling ahead, PHLI pulling ahead of DLS in terms of diehard subscriptions during the sale. Yeah, they. Oh, we've crossed the 500 barrier. Go ahead. Oh, buy a lot too. Yeah. We're way across 500. right.

So they said, look, everyone's high on the Tyler Booker pick. Those subs are going to be coming through. So if you are not a diehard, take advantage of the sale right now. Don't let Dallas catch up to PHOI. And the only way for you to come to the event where you get to watch Fran break down Jahad Campbell, because listen, you can watch a YouTube video of Jahad Campbell. You can't tell anything from TV tape about a linebacker. Fran's going to be able to break it down with the All-22.

in addition to everybody else, and you can't do that unless you're a diehard. So sign up for a diehard, beat Dallas, make it happen. Did we just get 200 likes in like two minutes? It's almost a 8. Why don't we ask for that more? It's almost an 800. Yeah, I mean, I feel like we could,

I feel like we could get Zach to flash some nipple at some point if we just, if we get over a thousand likes. We just crossed 800, yeah. Why don't we do this more? Comment below the video, you know, all that good stuff. Why not? Okay. Chris says he wants a tattoo, so maybe we can make that happen tomorrow. Let's do the Park's Casino round recap.

Now that we have reached the end of round one presented by Parks Casino, the round recap. The big news, number one, the New York Giants continue to be an absolute disaster. Yes, they draft Abdul-Carter, but then they trade up for Jackson Dart ensuring that they will not be relevant for several more years. The Philadelphia Eagles, linebackers is what it's all about in this city from now on. After paying Zach Bonn,

the Eagles drafting Jahad Campbell, who does have some edge flexibility, but my expectation, Fran, is that he's going to mostly be majoring in linebacker. That would be my guess. I am interested to hear what the explanation is behind the pick from that end of it. Do they view him purely as an offball guy?

Do they want to mix him around? That's going to be a fun explanation there. We also have the crazy, moved from the Atlanta Falcons trading a future first round pick to get back into the first round after drafting Jalen Walker to draft James Pierce Jr. Maybe the biggest surprise of the night. Yeah, I mean, I mocked James Pierce Jr. to the Falcons at 15 in my mock that went up this morning.

I knew that they liked James Pierce Jr. I felt good about that. When Jalen Walker felt them, I said, okay, you know, I could see that. I actually had the Cardinals jumping Atlanta for that reason for Jalen Walker. Them trading out of that, that future first. That is the most surprising thing in the night for me. me. And then the biggest move of the night made by the Jacksonville Jaguars moving up from five to two, giving up a boatload of high picks, but ensuring that they get Trevor Lawrence a real

weapon in Travis Hunter. Yeah. To me, it was something coming into the day. I thought that was possible that a deal could get done. I didn't think it was probable. Yeah, I get the reasoning from Jacksonville's end of it. Still a surprising move, and I love the move for Cleveland. I think it's a very smart, purposeful move to set them up for future success in terms of trying to find their quarterback of the future and what should be a better quarterback class in 2026. And then finally,

no Shador Sanders going in the first round. I'm glad you said that. That is certainly one of the big storylines and it's going to be talked about a lot in the next 20 hours. Where does Shador Sanders go? Is he going to go number 33 to the Cleveland Browns? My gut says no. Yeah.

Why would you do that now? Yes, correct. I think now that they have that extra first in tow, I think they are less likely. to select a quarterback than they were five hours ago. Right. Interesting. All right. Well, that's your round recap presented by Parks Casino.

The Philadelphia Eagles, getting a local guy, a South Jersey man who loves hitting people and playing with the characteristic violence of the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles. He is an eagle. He's going to be playing next to Zach Bond. Very exciting stuff. All right. Almost a 900.

Do we bring Chris up? I think we got to follow through. You got to perform in front of the people. Just don't get my. just don't get anything on our suits. Does this, as Chris figures out how he's going to make this happen, let's talk about tomorrow from the Eagles perspective. You've got Jahad Campbell.

We'll find out if the Eagles think that that's, you know, more linebacker edge. My guess is a little bit more linebacker. Do you think this makes it more likely that they draft an offensive lineman tomorrow? Do you think it's still defensive line? How do you feel about tomorrow? I think the defensive line, tight end, safety. it's all the positions that we thought

coming into tonight because obviously we didn't expect off ball linebacker tonight so all the things that we talked about coming in I think that you've got to apply them here I think that makes the most sense I'm just going to throw some names at you okay okay and what am I what am I answering for tomorrow

just like like for the Eagles who pops for you okay who might they move up for got it okay who might they move up for now they're not moving up for receiver Elijah Royal your boy I would like that no Mason Taylor tonight Mason Taylor still there Yep. Harold Fanon Jr.

Still there. Yep. My guess is he's not round two. Okay. Arionte Ursari. Yeah. Jonah Seveneia. Yeah.

Jared Wilson. Probably not. Probably not. Nick Gordon. Yep. As Araku's still out there. Yep. JT. Tuimolo.

Yeah. Landon Jackson. Yep. Yeah. Femio La Jolla. I love a lot of these guys. Femiole dejo. Mike Green's still out there.

Yeah. And you could, you know, you could sell that more as a second round pick like we just couldn't pass it up. Yeah. T.J. Sanders. Sure. Shamar Turner. Defensive tackle is not as deep as edge.

There's a lot of edge guys. Obviously, they're not taking Schwessinger now. No. Will Johnson is still out there? That would be very funny if they took Schuessinger. Your boy, Chavon Revel. Yeah. Azarea Thomas and Trey Amos.

And then Nick Eamon Worry is still out there, along with Jonas Sanker and Xavier Watts. That's a lot of guys. It's a lot of guys. Good talent on the board. When you get to round two, there's a round two. I'm going to be saying this a lot of things like I love this day in the draft.

I love round one. Round one's fun. I love day two. There's still a lot of really good players. Day three. I love day three. So I'm going to be excited about each of these as we go into it. But look,

this is going to be. It's a good, good opportunity for the Eagles to add some talent here when they get into day two. That said, oh, delicious. You think they're more likely to. straight up or down? I still think up.

As I said in Turkey's to the kingdom. Yeah. I feel convinced that they're going to move up in the second round. Yeah. Just because I think there is a drop-off at some point. I think they're going to love somebody. Yeah.

I think that's possible. They moved up already today. Did we ever see what the deal was? The fifth. It was a fifth. It was one of the fifth. Just the 164 overall. Yep.

I mean, they could send, they've got three-thirds next year. Right. They've got two-fourths next year. Right. You know, they can, they can send one of those. to get to the middle of the round.

They could also trade this year's third to get to the middle of the round or this year's fourth to get, move up a little bit. I feel one of the things I feel strongest about that they're going to move up at some point tomorrow. You could be wrong. No, but I could definitely see it.

Because I don't think, I think they will think that there are only a certain amount of difference makers for this team in its Super Bowl window. Sure. Yeah. All right, Chris, you coming up? Oh, Julia promised to.

To Pabst. to Pabst. DeLeia. Descotch. DeBrena. Baby wolf. Baby wolf. I'm not chugging. This is a tall boy that he's shotgunning.

This is unbelievable. Like a real terp. Jordan Phillips would be proud. Wow. This is all just you co. Chris. Chris. Chris. Chris. Chris. Chris. Chris. Those of you that watched our Super Bowl, the Radio Row, uh, shows may remember Chris from just being in the background going through that going through that case.

That's just going to be him just coping with him shotguning that beer for the next 10 minutes. We got to get we got something else now to incentivize people for tomorrow night. How many likes are we at? Right. 946. Oh, we're going to get to a thousand now. I mean, if we get to a thousand before the show is over, um,

what can we realistically make Zach do? Go to sleep. No, that's not realistic. Hmm. What's something that Zach would do? That's a little bit out of his comfort zone, but not a crazy thing. I just, yeah, I don't know. It's a good question.

How about, how about, he has to just, he has to go a t-shirt jacket during the show tomorrow. For night two? I think he would do that. Yeah. He might want to say that for day three, but.

What do you think that, How big... How about he has to write another book? That's just... Now you're just punishing Emily. No, that's not fair. That's too realistic. Yeah.

How much money for superchats or how many likes what we need to get... Oh, yeah, that's a good reminder. We're going to get back to the superchats. Yes, yeah, actually that's a good point. For Zach to tweet out Fly Goes Fly. Oh, he would never do that. Never.

No, no, no. Never a million years. What about just the hashtag? Never. Hmm. I view the hashtag as a You're getting in front of people Yes

Well we wanted to be on the show tomorrow Yeah Mm Wear pajama pants on the show No he's not going to do that People say that the pink slippers I don't think he still has them Just in studio

Yeah I can do that Uh How about just yeah How about he has to say he loves us No Don't do that either. You might be.

You got a better. Over a thousand. All right. We got a better chance of jacket, no shirt than him saying he loves us. How about he has to cook us something? But the oven does all the work then. That doesn't count. How about he has to write a poem?

I like that. Gets to write. Yeah, he gets to write. Gets to explore a different part of his brain. Yeah. When does the poem do? How about just a haiku for the show to me? for a high coup for the show?

Yeah, I think we could sign Zach up for writing a haiku for the show tomorrow. All right, we gotta get to 1100. So we're at that, we just crossed the thousand. So if we can get 100 likes between now and when we end the show, Zach has to write a haiku. We're gonna go through the super chats.

And so by the time we get through the super chats, we gotta get to 1100. Hashtag ZB. Haiku. ZB. Haiku. All right. Sean. Oh, this was earlier. Oh, this was the question for you, friend.

Oh, okay. From before. In your prior role with the Eagles, okay. Did you ever contribute? to the personnel side during the draft season? No. Not in a like certainly not an official way.

My body language people, the way that he just coughed and looked off and looked off. My voice is going. My voice is going. No. My voice is going. My voice is going. No.

I've never. I did not contribute to the personnel department during my time with the Eagles. Many, a lot of great people. of really smart people. People that I've leaned on over the course of my career and learned a lot from. But, you know, and some people that aren't in the building anymore, they've done such a great job of bringing in talented people on that side of the building.

And so, yeah, no, but never contributed from a like, oh, yeah, like, we need France takes on player X, Y, Z. But you had conversations. Had conversation. And those conversations might have informed other conversations. That's possible. Yeah, I can't, I can't say that they did or didn't. But, yeah, I would definitely have.

I have talked with people on that side. Sure. Okay. Idiot sandwich. ZB as a televangelist. If all of you at home plant enough seeds in the form of superchats and diehard subs, you may just be blessed with a shotgun. He said he would do it at the Ospreys.

Got it. I like that. Siriani's book talk. Coolest sounding position. Mine is guard. I mean, how do you beat tight end? Like middle linebacker. Like I always like, you know.

Yeah. Mike linebacker. Yeah, middle linebacker sounds so much more than off ball linebacker. Right, yeah. Oh, I can't go near the ball. Yeah, that's not good. Defensive tackle is a very good, like,

just description of the job. I like that. Nose guard. Yeah. I think tight end. But from a football standpoint, I think defensive tackle is, probably where I would go.

Probably right. Yeah. Okay. Strong safety. Good question. Yeah, strong safety. That's good. As opposed to free spirit, free safety.

This is just, Lottie die. You know, lottie dye, you know, a tie-dye shirt on, free spirit, just roaming around

going to fish concerts with Julia. Arthur Bowel Smith, putting all my turkeys on Jihad Campbell. What's the time of that? What's the timestamp? Oh. I think that was early enough because it's,

it's early enough in the queue there that it probably was. Wow. What a call by me. Unbelievable. Thank you very much. You can't take credit for that. No, I can't take it.

Mike says the water bottle makes Zeeby's hands look so small. I mean, the water bottle makes like Cameron Williams hands look small. That thing was enormous. Texas offensive tackle Cameron Williams. Not everybody don't know. There's enormous hands. Yeah.

What water bottle I missed? Oh, my God. He brought out this, this, like, it's, it wasn't, it wasn't on a flask. It was a bought bigger than mine. It probably wasn't bigger than yours. Yeah. But it was, it was purchased. So it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like a flask that you dump water into.

Oh, it's a bottle. It was like a plastic water bottle that he bought that was enormous. And he's like, can we do that? Why don't, let's, let's not do it. We, I imagine that most of you were watching it anyway. So we'll close up the super chats. we're going to have a discussion with Zach that's going to be a separate video on the site

about what Howie Nick say. So we'll check that out in a little bit. Let's finish the Super Bowl. We still need, I mean, I can't tell how close we are to 1100, but if we're 1057, all right, so we need 43 more likes. We need this haiku, man. To make Zach write a poem for tomorrow show, 43 more likes.

Jacob Tammy, looking retroactively, how accurate are analysts when they say a draft class is strong or weak? is that something accurately predicted looking back? Well, that second part is tough for me. I don't know if I can answer that. I haven't done the research there. I will say every year people say the same things about draft classes. Oh, like this way, it's not a strong class or only X.

This is a weaker class. This class is definitely a weaker class. I will always, I will always say there's talent every year. And it's teams jobs to find talent. There's definitely talent in this group. But in terms of like proven prospects where these guys are, at, you know, coming out of college, entering the NFL, it's a weaker class across the board. I see it just in the profiles. Right. Like, there's so many 23-year-olds. Right. And I know that

some of that is the landscape of college football that has changed, but there aren't like blue chip. These guys were dominant in college for three years. They came out because everybody knows that they're awesome. There aren't a lot of those guys. No. It's a, it was a weaker class this year, for sure. Um, okay. Let's, uh, let's keep going through here. Uh, shane. or Sean says best coverage in Philly Gobirds. Thank you for that. Amen. Troy Ballard.

Fran is the most dialed in of all. I know that's right. Dave was Jahad Campbell the guy if Green Bay traded 23. Ian Rappaport says yes. Yeah, according to Ian Rappaport, and I'm sure he'll get asked

about that, how he'll get asked about that, and I'm sure he'll confirm it. Daniel Moormack, love PHLY. The draft coverage has been elite. And then the regular season is the best in the business so hyped. We appreciate that, Daniel. Thank you very much. Roger, thanks for making, thanks for the amazing draft coverage.

You guys rock. You rock. And thank you, of course, most of all to Chris Brenna and Julia for making this all happen behind the scenes. Roger again, pumped that T, oh, he's pumped about the pick, T, E or D-Line in round two. We talked about that a little bit. Yeah.

If you had to throw turkeys on it now, what would you think? It's a trade-up for Mason Taylor? Yeah. Okay. It's a little. It's very needs focused. It is. But it's interesting.

Uh, Tyler, go birds. All the way from Hawaii. Oh. Aloha, Tyler. Bill. Chris Rules. Hell yeah. Represent the brand.

Did you see, did you see how much that super chat was for? It was for $4.4. $4. $4. $4.20. Very nice. Very good. Polar Jam.

Okay. How many likes for Zee to do some ketamine? I think just two more. Steve, great show, everybody. Congratulations, Bo. Thank you very much. And sincerely, thank you to all of the sickos and everybody else who has sent along their congratulations.

That means a lot. That's very nice. Juan Pablo, just a lovely super chat. And then Matthew, just under the wire. Is that $99? That's what I just. That was my response. to seeing this come through.

Thanks for all the coverage. I'm out in Las Vegas. It's not terrible. Like France says. And you guys, what does that say? Oh, and I'm still back east.

Yep. Like we're still, like he's still back east. Matthew. Thank you, Matthew, my man. I hope you still feel good

about that super chat in the morning. I mean, he's in Vegas. He just, he just won at the tables. He's, you know, he's making it rain.

Matthew, my man. That's so nice. Thank you. We just found CDPs burner. Yeah. Where's CDP been tonight? What the heck?

Unbelievable. Maybe he works nights. Maybe this is where we're getting closer to finding out what his deal is. Maybe he's working the draft. It's Howie. But Matthew, thank you. That was awesome. Thank you.

Thank you so much. Did we get to $1,100? Before? Yeah, we did. Oh, we got it. Just in time. All right, Zach, I know you're going to listen. You owe us a haiku for tomorrow show.

I think that's a nice, I think that's a nice, easy lift. Like four lines or six lines? 575, I believe. Right. Man, good memory. Is it 585? I gotcha, I got you. Oh, that's awesome.

585? 3. A Japanese poem of 17 syllables in three lines of 5755. Okay, I was right the first time. Traditionally evoking images of the natural world. We got to hold Zach to that last part. No, he doesn't need to be able to that, but it doesn't need to be 575. 575, yeah.

Now, does it need to be about Papp's light? Or True Mark financial? Ashley. Well, they're not the presenting sponsor. It could be Ashley. It could just be about the draft. Yeah. Be about Jihad Campbell.

We'll give him the creative freedom there. Yeah, he can do whatever he wants. Okay. Okay, it is 5-0-5. All right. Jihad Campbell! What a night! What a fun night.

The highs, the lows, the chaos. The middles. Got two more to go. Two more to go. Six more rounds. A couple of. videos to shoot after this. Stay with us for all those six rounds.

Looking forward to getting home and rocking a sleeping baby, not a crying baby probably. It would be fun. Was the, so last night was her first night home, right? First night home. Yeah. When you get like,

you know, in her room like rocking chair, like when you got, was it the same like space that you've had with like Jane? No. Well, yes, because she's not in her own room.

She's in a, you know, in a crib, room. Okay. So that's the same. Right. So like did it like, did it immediately, do you feel like, oh, like I remember this place? The muscle memory came right back. That's crazy. A hundred percent. Very cool. Yeah. Like no time had passed. Right. That's cool. Yeah. That's very nice. One more super chat. Zach, do you think this draft is low on top tier talent because of NIL? No, I think it was just a, it was just a perfect storm is not the word. It was just a, it was just a down year.

but this is also the last year of the COVID exceptions, right? This is the last year. Yeah, hold on 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. Yes, this was the last year. Correct. Yes, this was the last year of any COVID, like extra year because of COVID, because that was the 2020 season.

So if your first year on college campus was 2021, you could red shirt, so you have five years of eligibility. So it's 21, 22, 23, 24. This would be your last year. Yes. We're done COVID extra year eligibility stuff. By the way, one other event to tell you about for the diehards.

June 14th. Oh, you got to join us here. The golf event. We got a golf tournament. I'm going to be there. Fran's going to be there. At Valley Brook Country Club, 2 o'clock shotgun start. I mean, it's going to be some fun.

I'm going to suck them back. Swing some clubs. Chris will be shotgun in years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Zach just out of nowhere. I forgot about that.

Just drains one. After it's like three of the worst puts you've ever seen in your life. Just Zach, Zach, Zach, Dominance, fantastic. By June 14th, where are you at? Golf game wise, June 14th. I mean, it's going to be different this year. It's different this year.

Yeah. I mean, I don't get to play as much as I would like to. It's just, it's never. It's, hopefully I will have two rounds under my belt. Yeah. By then. That's what I'm kind of hoping same thing,

three or four rounds by that point. Yeah. I've been getting asked like nonstop, like, since like March. But I'll tell you what, a shotgun, I am very helpful. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I will give you, I will give you a good shot of hole.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Yep. I enjoy a shotgun scramble. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I said, I said shotgun. I meant scramble.

Yeah. Especially for factory and handicaps. I mean, again, one shot with, you know, with a 13, 14 handicap. I'm doing very well. She asked a big question in the chat just now. not a super chat, but it's Shay, so we'll answer. When's the Ospreys? News to come.

News to come. We're not going to not do them, but we'll give you plenty of lead up so that we can get enough people that we need. Yeah. All right. Let's close it out. That'll do it for night one. The P. H.L.Y. Eagles draft show presented by True Mark Financial and Papsed Light.

We're back tomorrow night starting at 6.30, so a half an hour early before the show, before the picks start happening. That will be very exciting. And then, of course, we are live all day Saturday from noon when it starts all the way through when the Eagles make their last pick. So lots of fun stuff to come, maybe some more special guests.

Also, make sure you check out the P.H.O.Y. YouTube page because after we finish the show, we're going to do a video on the players to watch for tomorrow. We're going to talk to Zach about what Nick Siriani and Howie Rosman said about the Jihad Campbell pick, some other fun stuff. We got a regular show at 2 o'clock tomorrow with Jamie Lynch, sort of running us through everything that has happened.

I mean, who's got it better than Eagles fans on PHLY? As Zach would say, nobody. Nobody. All right. For Julia and Brina and Chris, the stars of the show, for Zach, for Jamie and Devon, for the All-City NFL draft analyst Fran Duffy. I am Bo Wolf.

We thank you for watching. We will talk to you tomorrow night. And as always, we love you.