PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles NFL Draft Show, Rounds 2-3: Texas' Safety Andrew Mukuba!

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

Join us for full live coverage of Day 2 of the NFL Draft, which included the Eagles sticking at No. 64 to draft Clemson safety Andrew Mukuba and then making some fireworks in the third round. Fran Duffy and Zach Berman broke all kinds of news, from the Dillon Gabriel selection to the Mukuba pick. And don't miss a very special appearance at the end of the show from two unannounced guests. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to night two of the PHLY Eagles draft presented by TrueMark Financial and PAPS light. You see it, you love it. Welcome. Jihad Campbell was the result of night one for the Eagles after a minor trade-up. What will they do on night two? Fran Duffy, our all-city NFL draft expert. Zach Berman, our Eagles insider who just spoke to Jihad Campbell. We're going to be here all night. the end of round three, and then we'll be here tomorrow for all of that as well. How do you feel like tonight's going to go, Fran? I'm excited. Night two is one of my three favorite nights of the NFL draft. To me, there's so much talent. How would you stack rank it? In terms of my personal favorite. I mean, night one, there's so much lead up. So I would say night one. I think I would go day three.

Even though I mean, I do love day two just because there are still good players on the board. The, you know, the best teams are able to do well on day two. The Eagles have historically done really well on the second day of the draft. But yeah, I would say that tomorrow is one of my personal favorites, just because that's where the sleepers come to play and all that. So everybody can turn it off. We'll see tomorrow night. That's when France is going to be really excited.

Zach, how you doing? I'm great. I'm excited for the show. Awesome show yesterday. This is my favorite night of the draft. Day two is my favorite. Okay. Because I feel like you get that sweet spot of consequential players.

Yeah. But then volume of picks. It goes by a little quicker. There's a lot of action. I like a day two also. Yeah. Day, I mean, look, it's, you know, I, you saw the footage from him last year. Jeffrey Lurie walks into the draft room and says we all know, on day three.

It says we all know the draft starts today, right? Like the scouts, the draft guys, they love day three, okay? Day one, day one, I don't want to say it's like for like the normals, the normies, so to speak. Is that the term? Yeah, the normies. I like that. No, but day two. I feel like it's, you know, it's players who you're taking someone tonight.

The expectation, and tell me if I'm wrong, friend, the expectation is a second round pick or third round pick becomes a starter in his career. So you're hoping that you draft a starting player tonight. And the Eagles don't win the Super Bowl without last year's second round pick, right? Absolutely. Or the third round pick from four years ago. There you go. Milton Williams. Yeah.

And I would say too, because Eagles are drafting at 64. in the past few years, the second round's been Howie's best round. Cooper the Gene last year. Cam Juergens three years ago. Lannon Dickerson four years ago. I left out two years ago because they did not draft in the second round. But this has been a round where Howie has found not just contributing players, but they just signed Cam Jurgens to top of the league money.

Yeah. All right. Now tell me what you think would constitute best case scenario in round two for the Eagles, friend. Right now they're slated to pick 64th overall. Yep. They have their own pick in the third round, their own pick in the fourth round, and now three picks in the fifth round. That's it.

But they also have 11 or 12 picks in next year's draft if they want to deal from that. Presumably three third round picks next year. They've already got one from the Hassan Reddick trade, and then they're expecting another compick from the Milton Williams signing. Do you think there's a chance they move up? And if so, who would you want them to move up for? I think there's definitely a chance that they could move up. I'm talking like a move up big.

Yeah, a big move up. I think there's a chance that they could have a big move up. And it would depend on where these, what positions have the runs early on in the second round. And so if there's a run on edge rusher, if there's a run on corner, if there's a run on wide receiver, which I think all three of those are possible, could that bump down a Nick Emanwari? How do they value Nick Emanwari?

Because to me, like, I'm looking at my personal board. I view Emanwari as a difference-making type of player. And so if you see like, all right, this guy's available, I'm making a number up. If he's available at 45 and you say, all right, you're halfway through round two. We can make this job. The last guy was a first round grade on our board. Yeah, but you make that move up for a player even though it's at a position that's not viewed as a primary position. The players on your board who stand out like a sore thumb heading into tonight were I would say,

Eamon, Luther Burden, the Missouri wide receiver, which would probably be a surprise if they moved up for him. And then Will Johnson, the cornerback from Michigan, everybody. is talking about there's there's some kind of knee issue there so im and warry does sort of stand out there then there's a deep group of edge guys the offensive line sort of thins out a little bit what about you zach what do you have your eye on here well if i were howie roseman the move i would try to make is what fran just said i would try to trade up for for nick emin worry um emin worry i worked on it in the car literally looked at the south carolina pronunciation guy that tried to get it down because for the reasons we said, I think he's, and now I like Malachi Starks more, so I don't

want to be inconsistent, but I thought he was a legit first round player. So similar to Cooper the Gene last year, it's like it's someone who's sticking out. It's a position of need for them, I feel like, and I think second round you can start thinking that if you can get a guy who can start right away. But also what jumps out to me even more is he's a rare player. Like the traits you don't find. Six foot three, 220 pounds, four three, eight, 40, 43 inch vertical. On the relative athletic score, he's a perfect 10 out of 10. And then you match that up with really strong production, first team All-American, four interceptions last year. And from what I understand, I'll defer to you, like, clean off the field too. You know, he was, I don't say

academic All-American, but like he was up there. So there's a lot to like with this profile and I think it's not a premium position, but given the fact that he's a rare player, who I think is a first round caliber player at a spot where they can use the help, I think there's a delta between him and the next guy's at the position. He is also, he's 21 years old. Yeah. And you're thinking about all the conversation about this draft versus where would these guys go in a normal draft.

This is the prospect of a player who would be a late first, early second round pick in any draft, essentially. Yep. as opposed to, like, if you're talking yourself into Ariante Ursary, you know, he's 23 years old. It's a little bit more of a stretch, but he's the best guy left at that position. I think if they're going to make a move up, big time, it's going to be for somebody who has sort of a clean profile like Eamon Worry. I do think he's a player to consider. And then we also talked about the tight ends last night.

You know, we hear that they really like Mason Taylor. Would they be willing to move up for Mason Taylor? I don't know. Yeah, Tony Pauline said the Jets like Mason Taylor, but they, they, that, he, you know, he, they don't think he's he's going to make it to him i mean mason taylor's an example of of a player who it's like i talked about in the in the first round this guy's never going to fall to you like this guy was supposed to go in the in the first round he's here so you don't i i wouldn't make a big trade up for mason taylor because if i'm giving up to get up to where we're talking about

you're giving up your second and third round pick plus but you're you're sitting out the rest of the night like you're getting one player tonight unless you trade you could do you know what A third next year and a fourth this year or something like that. Sure. Yeah, that's true. And so to me, it has to be like a clear potential difference maker. And that's how I view Eam and Worry. All right.

We will see obviously how it all plays out. Much more to talk about, including what Zach learned from Jihad Campbell's press conference today and how we view that pick. Is he going to be an edge? Is he going to be a linebacker? All of that stuff. But first, we want to tell you a little bit more about the exciting partnership with big brothers, big sisters.

We're going to have Marcus Allen, not that Marcus Allen, the Marcus Allen, who is the CEO of the Philadelphia chapter of Big Brothers, Big Sisters joining us in just a minute. But first, check out this video. 30 minutes over a cup of coffee. A laugh, a smile, a message. Thumbs up emojis, clapping emojis, confetti emojis. Loaded nachos at halftime. It takes one try, two tries. Three tries and a girl, you got this.

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it takes little to be big all right we are back Marcus Allen thank you for joining us thanks for having me all right tell us a little bit about

this this partnership a three year partnership with all city that that our fans are excited about yeah yeah I think for those who don't know what big brothers big sisters is we've been doing this work now

almost 110 years putting a caring, compassionate adult in the life of a child. And I know that sounds simple, but really mentoring is not just something nice to do. It's something that I think is necessary for every kid to have. We know in this country that one out of three kids won't have a mentor in their life by the age of 19, which means that they're going to have challenges that they don't have to have. And so we understand through sports, through other pro-social activities, there are kids begin to understand who they are, what they have, what their value they have to offer. the world and this like five city partnership with all city for me is a lot because I'm an athlete,

right? I played pro sports. I play basketball. And if it wasn't for basketball and wasn't for sports, I played football, even though my name is Mark Sallon. I'm not dead at Mark Sallon. If it wasn't for sports, I wouldn't be sitting here in front of you today. And so I'm excited about this partnership because this is, it shows that our kids, you know,

they can be something greater than what they've seen. And sports teaches us that we can have failures in our lives. We don't all have to be equal. But when we put our effort forth, we all can win. And this partnership shows how we can make sure all of our kids win. Now, Zach, you were a big brother. I know that you and I off air have talked about how meaningful that was. Tell us a little bit about what that experience was like for you.

It was amazing. It was amazing. I hope it was amazing for my little brother. It was amazing for me as well. The perspective that I was able to gain. the value that I saw of seeing him grow from 12 to 18 years old. I don't want to say experiencing those stages of his life with him, but like every milestone he had, I felt it as well.

And I remember times specifically when his mother would call me up and said, you know, can you come over and talk to him about X or, you know, about this thing coming up here. Or, you know, this weekend here, we would go over. he was from like the Port Richmond area, Northern Liberty's area, and we would go to a pizza spot there and we would make a list every fall of the different activities we would do. So Temple Football Games, the zoo, Franklin Institute, you go on down the list and then they were, you know, by year three, by year four, he would say, I really want to do this again. I really want to do that again.

And then he would open up about different things going on in his life. I mean, I'm not just saying this because Marcus is here. I saw firsthand how valuable it is. And so that's kind of my question for you, too, Marcus, is that if you can kind of take the head of the program hat off, the head of the program hat off, and speak about it from someone who's also been a big brother in this program, how do you see the impact that it has on kids' lives?

Well, you know, where I'm from in our community, we say kids can't be what they can't see. And so I've been a big like yourself, and thank you for your service. And thank you for what you did, not only for that little, but for that family and for that community. Because when we changed the life of a child, we change the trajectory of a community. And so for me being a big and for me being mentoring to other kids, I do believe. And I know that you're very humble and you came to me and you were talking about, hey, I lost contact with my little for a bit. And I didn't know if I was really having the impact that I wanted.

And oftentimes people don't understand like when you're a big, when you're a mentor, when you're trying to help kids, you may to always see the impact. And I had to, you know, get over myself and understand that I know that you're pouring some really great things in these kids. And they may not see it until they're in their 20s or in their 30s. There's stuff that I'm just now doing at 53 that I'm sure people try to get me to do a long time ago. And so but what I find solace in, what I find confidence in is the research that's been doing on our program. And so when you look at our program, there's a 30-year longitudinal study that was just done by Harvard University and the Federal Treasury Department. And in that study, they went back and looked at kids over the course of 30 years, kids that were in our program versus kids that who weren't, the normal profile of a kid in our program is a kid who's probably black and brown, who's probably living below the poverty line with a single parent. They found that kids in our program on average make about 15% more over the course of their lifetime.

That's about $300,000 more in the course of their lifetime. They have a 20% chance more likely to go to college. They have longer, stronger marriages. They have outcomes as if they come from wealthy families. That's huge in our community, right? And that's a huge plus and a huge win for mentoring because it shows that mentoring isn't just nice. It shows that it helps with workforce development.

It shows that it helps with academia. It shows that it helps with building resilient, confident kids with self-awareness and self-esteem. And so the work that you and the army of volunteers do across this country is so important. And I think that there are a lot of people these days who are thinking of ways that they can help and give back to the community. So if we are trying to rouse support, give us sort of like, what is the time commitment like? You know, can I fit this into my schedule? It is very possible.

Oh, absolutely. How much time did to take you, Zach, like on a regular basis, monthly basis? Yeah, so the commitment was once a month. I would try to do it twice every six weeks. So once every three weeks, during football season was once a month during the spring and summer was twice a month for me, typically. And that's typically what we find with our volunteers like me. I would take my kid, my little out twice a month, and I want to go to the movies. I take him with me, right?

I want to go watch my car. Hey, I need, like, why I'm doing the front, you can do it back. I can put the soap on. You can take the soap off. And while we're doing that, we're having a conversation. So every moment you're just spending with a young person because the greatest capital that you can give to a young person is time. And when you invest time in a young person,

that return on investment is invaluable. And so for me, I was able to incorporate my little and most bigs are able to incorporate their little into their regular stuff. You don't have to do anything different. You don't have to be this hyper-intelligent person who knows how to help us. a kid and do Chinese math or you don't have to be a person who has to be a disciplinarian or a stand-in father or some people say, oh, it's like false to care. No, it is nothing like

false to care. This is friendship model. Exactly. Right? And we spend a lot of time like looking at volunteers and say, okay, you like to do X, Y, and Z. We got this kid over here. He or she likes to do X, Y, and Z. Let's put them together. And then when they come together, they do the things that they both like to do. And we make it real easy and simple. And the only commitment we asked is that you see your little at least one to two times a month for at least four hours and give us a commitment of doing it for at least 12 months. That's it. And how do the matches work? In terms of how do they get matched? Yes. The process. So we have what I believe is some of the most brilliant staff who are trained professionals who are looking at on average we get probably about

2,400 inquiries a year of people who say, hey, they raise the hand. I want to be a mentor and we have about 800 kids on our waiting list. On average, a black boy waits on our waiting list on average about a year now. Okay. Right. And so oftentimes what happens is our staff are trying to find that right volunteer to match with a kid, say in Mantua. And sometimes that's difficult because a lot of the people who volunteer from our program, they may live in Wayne. They may live in King of Prussia. They may not live in Philly, but they may work in Philly. And so we'll say, hey, would you be okay with matching with this kid in Mantua even though you live in Wayne.

And they're like, yeah, I'm in the city three times a week. I can go by his house or her house one time a week, spend an hour or two, and then be out, right? And so our staff are looking at that. They're constantly looking through our database to say, hey, what adult is the best match for this little? Now we're beginning to experiment with AI, right? And so we put the algorithm into AI,

and now they can go through 2,400 referrals and say, okay, what's the best match for this young person? And then through that whole process, once we match them, now they're riding along with that big and that little, helping there with challenges that littles may have, talking to them about what's happening in the family. If something comes up that you feel uncomfortable talking about, you can call our staff person say,

hey, my little brought up this topic, and I'm uncomfortable with that. And I don't feel like I know enough about this topic. Can you help me with that? So that's what our staff are there to help. to make sure that match goes as well as possible. Yeah, I would have two things to add to that because that's a great way of putting it in. And the way I always tried to frame it was,

I'm not trying to be his father, I'm trying to be his big brother, right? Like, I'm trying to be that presence in his life. So even when I didn't see him, you know, we would catch up over the phone every week and like seeing the excitement he would have when he would do well in math class, for instance. Or, you know, we went one year,

we went to LaShaul McCoy's football camp together. And then so when LaShawn had a big game, the following season, he called me up. He wanted to know about LaShawn. And so different things like that, the connection that you have, you definitely saw it. And when I'm curious because you mentioned five cities with all city, but we're PHY. I was going to ask the same question. I'm glad to ask you. With PHLY, what's unique about this program in Philadelphia relative to some of these other cities?

Well, I think first of foremost, Philly is the most fanatic goal when it comes to supporting their sports teams, right? We are the best fans when we're winning and we could be the hard and tiredest, toughest fans who we're losing, right? And so I think that's awesome because, like, we want to give our kids a real world experience. And so being able to have this partnership in Philadelphia for us underscores how we want to prepare our kids, right? because there are going to be some seasons where we're going to have good seasons, and there are going to be some seasons where it's going to suck, right? And so for us, that's a real life experience. And that's helping us to have conversations.

Like, I would, my little is a huge Eagles fan. And when the Eagles weren't doing as well as they've been doing the last couple of years, and he and I having conversations, that was the topic of our conversation. And that's where you can pull out the character and the values. And I see Philadelphia as a city of great character, of great values, of great loyalty. right like think about it like we the sixers aren't doing well at all right but I went to a game a couple weeks ago and it was a lot of people and I was like oh my god like we're still supporting this team that obviously has disappointed us right and so for us at big brothers and big sisters to be able to to combine our love

of sports the enthusiasm that the the the the Philadelphians have for their sports team and then be able to utilize that and leverage that on a show like this to say, hey, those of you who follow sports, those of you who want to see Philadelphia be a vibrant city, you can take one of our kids to a game, right? You can spend time, like we have partnerships with the Sixers, the Phillies, the Eagles, the Flyers, the Philadelphia Union.

We have partnerships with all of them. Every week, we're giving away tickets to our bigs and littles where bigs don't have to put their own money out. And because of these partnerships, they're able to take these littles to games and have that experience that we know those littles will never forget the rest of their lives. That's so wonderful.

You can learn much more about the partnership and about Big Brothers, Big Sisters at bbbs.org slash all-city. Marcus, thank you so much for taking the time. Thank you for having me. Appreciate it. Any hopes for the Eagles tonight? Yeah, I'm hoping that, you know,

I know we got a linebacker. I think we need one more defensive linemen, right? Because we lost Brandon Graham, we lost sweat. Yep. Right. Those are big holes, right? And so I, you know, big shout out to my man, Big Dom. Big Dom has been really awesome for us.

And so I've been in the Eagles locker room and I get a chance to see what's happening in there. And I also think we need to think about like who's going to add to the culture because I think we're going to have some leadership gaps on the team. And I think we need to find people who fit into that Eagles culture. So yeah, that's those are my thoughts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So tell Howard Roseman to call me if he needs some more advice. I could do that for him. If I can just add one thing, too, if you're not, you know, if you're not a big brother,

per se, there's events around big brothers, big sisters that people can also get involved in as well. Is that correct? Absolutely. We actually got the NFL draft that we're doing an event on May the 6th at the NovaCare Center. Right? Yeah. So we want to invite those who are interested in one coming out to see this, it's not brand new turf. I think they bought the turf a year ago.

It's like they spent like $2 million on this turf. And it's awesome. our kids going to be out there playing flag football. You can come out and play with us. There may be a couple of eagles there. I won't give up who they're going to be, but it's a great way to come out, get involved, and most importantly, sign up to become a big.

And if you are interested in becoming a big, go to our website, www.w.independencebig.org, independencebigs, plural, dot org, and click be a big. And the process is really simple. You can do it right there online. Awesome.

Marcus, thank you so much. Absolutely. We'll be back with more on the P. P-H-L-Y draft show night two after these words from our sponsors. Did you do get drafted or no? Not yet. Not yet. True Mark Financial.

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We just talked about it for the past 10 minutes, but I want to talk about it again for the next minute because we are proud. I am proud of our partnership here with Big Brothers Big Sisters. We have the news to share, which you heard that All City, including us here, PHLI, is teaming up with Big Brothers, Big Sisters of America for this exciting three-year partnership. It's not just about sports, right? You just heard Marcus Allen speak about it. It's about community. We're combining Big Brothers, Big Sisters, incredible youth mentoring programs with the passion and power of all city's local sports coverage to create something truly meaningful.

ship kicks off this week during NFL draft coverage, but it does not stop there. We're working year-round to support Big Brothers, Big Sisters, through fundraising, contents, events, and even opportunities for our team, and maybe some of you to get directly involved. I will be happy any day of the week to give a personal testimonial because I saw firsthand how awesome a relationship it was with my little brother in this program and kind of how I grew from it, how he grew from it. He even reached out to me a year ago right before the car show, which was an event we used to go to every year.

And it was so rewarding, hearing from him, kind of hearing some updates about his life. And so it's something that I recommend to everyone get involved with. We're excited to support youth mentorship that really makes a difference. You can learn more and see how to get involved at BBBS.org slash all city. And that will take us to the big. Draft brought to you by Big Brothers Big Sisters and let's let's talk now about Jihad Campbell guys as Fran we welcome you back to the set thank you Zach you spoke to Jihad Campbell today after speaking to him last night you picked up the

little nugget from last night that you know the only contact he had with the Eagles in the pre-draft process was with Jeremiah Washburn the outside linebackers coach have you 12 hours later changed the way you feel about is he gonna be a linebacker is he gonna be an edge for the Eagles So as he framed it today, he's a football player. And I think that the show my evolution, as we discussed on the show last night, we talked about positionless, multi-position is a better way to put it. I think he's the type of player who on early downs could be playing off ball, right?

But then on passing downs, they use him as an edge rusher. I think that versatility is something that they'll take advantage of. So I don't think he's going to be exclusively edge rusher. I don't think he's going to be exclusively off-ball linebacker. But I think an interesting framing for this is to view him as someone who can affect the quarterback but can also drop in the space as opposed to a space linebacker who you're going to send blitzing. And as he kept saying today, he's a football player. Like, you know, I heard him talking afterwards to John Clark from NBC Sports, Philly,

and he, you know, because he was talking about how he was a wide receiver in high school. and he said everyone makes a big deal about Travis Hunter. He's the Travis Hunter, right? And he was saying it tongue and cheek, but don't put him in a box. That's what Hallie Roseman said last night. But Travis Hunter is important to bring up because this is the conversation we had about him throughout the draft process.

Realistically, just logistically, you can't be in every meeting, right? And so he's got a major and something and minor in something. And it would be much more likely to me that he's a linebacker who can slide and rush to pass her on third down as opposed to vice versa, right, Fran? I think that's right. I guess my big thing, though, if we didn't know about the report,

and honestly, like, confirmed report at this point, like they were going to move up to 22 to select Jahad Campbell, for Jahad Campbell. Which I thought was fishy, given the way things played out, like why,

if they were willing to trade up to 22 for him, why didn't they trade up to 26 for him? But, I mean, it really seems like that was the case. Yeah, I can say pretty certainly that it was going to be for Jahad Campbell. And I think that, honestly like you're not making that move like we're not howie rosen's not making that move for a

pure off ball guy like i would be very very surprised by that uh i think you're only making that move if you believe in his ability to affect the quarterback and so uh i i think it's probably more akin to what zach was saying where yeah like early downs he starts here but i have to think that they've got a plan for him to be a pass rusher in this scheme for some portion of the time i i feel like that that's going to be a big part of his role when he hits his peak in terms of what that vision is From Vic Fangio. Yeah, Howie, at this juncture of his career, he knows what he's doing when he's on that podium, right? And so now, not when he's talking to Tom McShay sometimes, perhaps.

But I say that because Howie came out at the beginning and talked about the quarterback pass rushing thing. Like he knew what he was doing there. He's deliberately, he could have, he could have been purposely vague here. He could have said that their view on this has evolved and talked about like Zach Bonn. No, he said their priorities haven't changed. This is about affecting the quarterback. Like, that's something he said last night. And how vociferous he was and how much, you know,

for him to allude to those Penn State guys, like, that was interesting to me. Extremely interesting. Yeah. And very bold to just like, you know, from the beginning, throw out the Micah Parsons-Abdil-Car thing. I think what it made me think of today was the framing we talked about how, you know, how he has been described as a guy who has like deep fomo when it comes to players in the NFL.

And I do think that the Micah Parsons thing gnaws at him a little bit. Like why didn't we evaluate him as an edge rusher? And I think it's possible that he views this as something of a do-over. Now, you know, at 32, you're not expecting this guy to be Michael Parsons. But just as an edge rusher, Fran, I mean, 6-3-235, 32-and-1-8-inch arms, you know, that's not ideal for a full-time edge rusher, right? You have to have to imagine he's going to be spending time off ball. Yeah, one person, literally this just clicked as we were talking about it.

Vic Fangio was in San Francisco for a few years, obviously, under Jim Harbaugh, and there was a player that came out of Virginia. I think you would be, I think you may have covered, Amad Brooks. A little before me, but yes. A little before you. Amad Brooks was the Sam linebacker for Vic Fangio in that defense, and I'm looking now at what his snap counts were in terms of his use. usage under Vic Fangio. So in 20, so in 2013, yeah, he was, almost, it was almost a thousand

snaps on the defensive line, but then he also played about 80 snaps from a stack from a stacked role. When you're looking at the year before, it was a thousand snaps on the D line, but then it was 150 snaps off ball in the slide. Like, I wonder if that might be the usage. That's probably a little bit too heavy going the other way. I would think so. I know that Brooks was a player that they used in both spots and they showed that ability to kind of flex them out. I don't know. It's just, but, you know, if you're talking about size, two things here. First of all, how he made the point yesterday.

He turned 21 in February. Yeah. That there's room for him to grow. And I think that's part of it. I think one thing we have to divorce this draft from is like this is what the Eagles always do. This is like these are the positions they care about. I think it's like in this draft, this is a guy who has the profile of someone who would

be a top 15 pick in a normal draft. you know, if it weren't for the injuries. And so we can we can hold our nose about the injuries and go get someone who is someone talented enough to have been an elite prospect, a 21-year-old from Alabama or Georgia who fits everything they want culture-wise in any draft, basically.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. And so like, you know, I saw him in person today. And this is not like, no, he's obviously strong, but this is someone who can add to his frame. He's definitely not totally filled out yet. But when you're, talk about the size. There was a first round edge rusher two years ago who was 6-2-238 with 32-inch arms and that was Nolan Smith, right? And, you know, he was undersized per se. And to be fair,

Vic Fangio made repeated references during training camp about him being undersized. But you saw by the end of the year, like he was everything they wanted from a toughness perspective, found ways to affect the quarterback. So I don't think the size is prohibitive at this point. And, you know, Howie kept repeating the fact that, I think how he made three references to the fact that he was brought in as an edge rusher by Nick Savin, by the way. Like Nick Saban recruited him as an edge rusher.

But to the point about trading up, Howie could have said we had a first round grade on him. No, how he said they had a top 10 grade on him. And so the top 10 part shows why you were trying to trade up is that if, you know, I don't know who else was in their top 10, but I imagine, let's say after Walter Nolan, no one goes at 17 because I would imagine Walter no one's someone who would have been in their top 10 after war or no I'm sorry not 17 16 after walter no one goes 16 then I can't imagine anyone in the next few picks maybe Shamar's store would have been like a top 10 player for them and so it shows the impetus to try and to trade up because like franz board shows there's probably a drop in tear at that point now the injuries I think are worth considering in this discussion as well you know we know that he's got one shoulder that's a problem reportedly another shoulder that might require surgery actually after next season.

Yep. People are concerned about the knee. That's a lot of stuff. I wonder if, if you're thinking about those injuries, does the edge make more sense than linebacker? Because you can, you know,

at linebacker, you got to tackle with your shoulder all the time. You're running around a little bit more. You know, we saw Josh Sweat make it through two contracts with the Eagles with what was described as, you know, a bum knee when he entered the league.

Maybe that's part of the discussion. I don't know. Yeah. And look, if he was clean medically, they would have been on the board. They don't have the shot at him. So I think that that is the reason why they had that chance to be able to get them. I think when you're looking at Brooks, yeah, that's honestly the biggest hole in the profile, you know, outside of maybe like sample size.

You know, he hasn't played a ton of football, you know, at a high level from that standpoint. So to me, yeah, I mean, it just kind of, it's funny. You know, I was listening to our friend, Shield Capadia. And he said, you know, it's what's unique about this selection is that there aren't a lot of people out there like ripping it. I think every, but I think the big reason why is that people just didn't think was possible. People didn't think it was possible. It's a, you know, he's a high, he was high on the consensus board. You know, and then also if you are like, if you are into like, oh, the Eagles finally drafted

a linebacker. All right. This makes sense. If you think, if you believe in the upside of a pass rush, you're like, okay, I can get into this. He's young. The profile is really good. Really the only thing that you can knock is the fact that he's got some of these injury

issues. It's interesting. Can I tell you my, my fan fiction theory that I think would be fun is, uh, Vic Van Joe knew that how he wouldn't draft a linebacker. in the first round. So he spent the entire draft process convincing Howie, this guy's going to be an edge for me. This guy's going to be an edge for me.

Like, we're going to play him on the edge to get Howie to get on board. And then he's just going to play him at linebacker forever and never move him. I mean, I was listening the other day to Vic Fangio with recurring guest, Governor Josh Shapiro. And Governor Shapiro was asking him about his role in the draft process. and he said like he said that's that's how he show but he said he makes it known to howie which guy he said when there's a tie or there's like it's between a few guys he's like he makes sure he gets the last word into howie about the player that he wants there i mean he was smiling

in the draft room last night more than he smiled after the super bowl i think yeah and you know he made a point in both that podcast in the interview he did at the um you know when they announced the u.s open oh is it the u.s open uh he he's at the u. He did that with John Clark, two John Clark shoutouts here on the show so far. Big night. Or no, it was the Phillies game, but I also heard him there, was that, you know, they lost not just the starters, but the backups at these spots too. And, like, they haven't really added that many guys yet.

So the draft is the chance to do it. So I can see Vic really pushing for it. And as far as where he's going to start playing, there is a quicker entry point to, like, significant snaps right now. at inside backer, I would imagine then on the edge. Yeah. But then there's also

rotations on the edge. So it makes it. Yeah. Now this, I see you looking at it. Yeah. I think this. What do we have? But we're okay.

Oh, we're okay because you have both. For duck, duck, duck juice. Duck, duck juice. Is he an edge or a linebacker? And you have both of those positions? Oh, that's good for you. Okay. That's good off.

It could have been, it could have been just a year of controversy. Well, Brinaa reached out about bold predictions, the bold predictions from yesterday. Did not go kind for me, but she asked, like, because one of my bold predictions was, was, would, I think it was, yeah, here we go. There is, yeah, a lot of red there.

A lot of red. It's like, it's like Kelvin Banks Jr.'s scouting report for you. It's the antithesis of the Jahad Campbell scouting report. One of my bold predictions was that one pure linebacker does not get drafted in the first round because, look, because what I had heard in the lead-up was that there were a handful of teams that had taken Jahad Campbell off the board. Yeah. You know, and so I thought, okay, maybe he will sleep.

into the second round. Obviously, that did not happen. She asked, he was like, oh, does this count? And I was like, I did it with John Campbell in mind. So I was like, yeah, we have to make this one, make this one not count. That's big of you. Why don't we, that'll do it for the big draft presented by Big Brothers, Big Sisters, as the Browns are on the clock here to start the second round.

Why don't we flash up Zach's bold predictions? Because he hit a couple. Yes, he did. At least three QBs going the first round. Didn't happen. Only two non-travis Hunter wide receivers didn't happen. But the Michigan goes 13 overall. Just an unblown.

That's an outstanding one. That's a really good one. And then the Connerly, Josh Simmons, you know, that's 50-50. It's, I would say less impressive than the Michigan one, but the Michigan one's fantastic. Yes. Thank you. Nicely done. And then mine, I've got one, I've got one for today.

I hit one, which was Tyler Booker. It's drafted top 20. I feel good about that. We've got to wait months for the second one. But the number one, and I'm going to hit number two. I mean, I'm going to hit number two, which if you're, if you're listening, is the GM of the team that drafts the second and third quarterback in this draft is fired next off season.

And ditto Tyler Shuck if he's not one of those top three. And so I feel good about Shane being one of those guys. And then we'll see what happens tonight as Carson Schwessinger. The UCLA linebacker is the pick for the Browns at the top of the second round. But then I also had there, I think the Eagles are going to pick twice in the top 50. And I still, I believe that. I feel strongly that they are going to move up in round two. We'll see if they move up quite that far.

How much would you guys be willing to give up? I get antsy about giving up. up like day two picks because I do believe that there's my count so I get I get I get antsy about that idea I I would I would not be willing to give up more than one third and so I would give I would I would give up a future third and a fourth yeah if there's a guy I love you know know I generally I would be against that but if there's a guy that they love to the kubber de gene level then that's the price that I would be willing to give up yeah so if you're giving up you know if if you're giving up or the third

this year and a fourth next year. Yeah, so I just wonder a team would really need to have a surplus of picks tonight, I think, if they're trading from the top half the second round and they're only getting one pick tonight. But

to your point there, I would rather trade a second, a fourth this year, and a third next year, if that's a possibility because I would imagine what Howie would then try to do is just trade back from the third round this year, similar order to what he did last year. Last year, he gave up two-toes to move up for the gene, gets that

third rounder back, but then moves back, moves back, moves back, and gets a bunch of picks from it. And I think the makeup of this class that would make sense. Exactly. And I've been talking about it all the time going up to the, in leading up to the draft. When you're talking the top 50 picks, like there's a premium on those players. When you get beyond that, the bucket's usually be much bigger that you don't mind trading back 10 spots, 20 spots, or at least Howie hasn't, because you're, you're confident you're going to get someone in that bucket. We have our first tip to pick of the night. People want to know.

They want the main screen experience, and so they want your tip. Yeah. So Houston is making their first pick after the trade down with the New York Giants, and they are taking a wide receiver. It's not Luther Burden. It's not Luther Burden. It's not Jalen Knoll. It's the other Iowa state receiver, Jamie Higgins.

Big and fast. Big and fast. I would say the fast is more timed fast than play fast, like tape fast. He looks very robotic when he runs to me. He almost looks like he's thinking about the route as he's running it. You know what I mean? I agree with that. The production was there though, right?

Production was there. He's like bucket wise. He's good. He's good. Okay. I wasn't in love with the tape. Some people really like the profile. I didn't love the profile.

I saw more of like an Alan Lazard type. Alan Zard, ironically enough, went to Iowa State. I don't think that's a crazy. Yeah, like I thought that that, but some people think that he's like Nico Collins. To me, I did not see that level of dynamic playmaking ability. I apologize. He's actually not in a good bucket. Oh, he's not a good bucket.

He's in productive and fast, not so young, but he's bigger. So he's in that, this is the one where it's, this is the Devante Smith, Zay Flowers bucket. We talked about two out of the 16 guys hit who were first in second round picks. And that's like Buka, Jalen, Nol, Jaden Higgins, Jailen Royals, Kyle Williams, Tori Horton, Ty Felton from this class. Yeah, I use the reference that we talked about with Coach Flynn on Monday. You pointed out, Nicko Collins.

That's DJ's comp for him, yeah. Is that if you're a Madden GM and you're drafting a Madden and you see someone who's 6-4 and 218 and runs the 438, and now they don't have the stats in Madden, but, you know, he was a thousand-yard receiver at Iowa State, you're like just that profile jumps out to you. So if you're not watching film, if you're just saying, all right, He's big. He's fast. He was productive. You know, those are things that a lot of people would bet on. We have another trade at the top. Seattle traded to 35, the third pick of this round.

Now, they had 50 and 52. I wonder if I had to trade both of those to get here. So, all right, if they trade both, to me, it's one of two things. Eamonwary. Eamon Wari could be Mike McDonald's Kyle Hamilton. Right. Or is it for one of the quarterbacks? Or it's for one of the quarterbacks. Yes.

I thought that this was a sneaky Shor Sanders team. I would be disappointed from their perspective. Oh, it's 52 and 82 that they're trading, which is actually not that crazy. So they keep 50. That's according to Ian Rappaport. Waiting to here now. I think this is a sneaky Shador Sanders team.

I know, I can tell you that people close to Shador think that it's Cleveland or Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh doesn't pick in the third round, though. It's a manoirie. So there goes Mnuiroarie off the board. Okay. I can see that. Mike McDonald.

He'll get me that guy. He gets the Kyle Hamilton. for that Seattle, Seahawks defense. I'm jealous of Fran. Not just a great evaluator, but, man, plugged in my Shador source, my, I mean, it's like, I'm like, geez, this guy, this guy does it all. He's kind of like Eamon Worry. He's the all-city NFL draft expert.

Let's talk about Eam and Worry. Why not? Let's make him the future is bright presented by Shady Rays, a player who you love and have loved throughout the draft process, sort of checks all the boxes. Honestly, I haven't done any film on him since the Combine. Like all of my grade, everything that you see up on the diehard draft guide on all-P-H-L-Y.com, go become a diehard. Everything that's written there outside of like, you know, the statistical stuff he did at the combine, like I put those numbers in there.

Everything is written before that. I was so high on his film, you know, watching him in the fall. This is a guy that's got outstanding size, versatility, was used all across the field. That athleticism shows up on tape. Sometimes you can play a little bit out. control, but his instincts and coverage. He's got the ability to match up as a tight end. That's why that was the only thing that it gave me pause about him guys coming to Philadelphia

is that, to me, the best version of Nick Emunwari is in a scheme that can move him around and do different things with him. And I didn't think that was going to happen here. Here he would be, he's going to line up next to Reed Blanketship, he's going to be the boundary safety or he's going to be the field safety, and he's going to play 95% of his snaps, you know, 18 yards off the ball, which he could do, but I want him to see him go somewhere where he can be moved around. Well, that's kind of part of the Jahad Campbell conversation that I've been thinking about

is like there's this idea, well, you get this, you get this guy who can do everything to Vic Fangio, just imagine the way he's going to use him. Like, that's not what we saw last year. What made that defense so good is that they kept everybody in the same spot and everybody knew exactly where to be. And like that, they were so buttoned up and everybody could do everything. Yes, but I don't know if we're going to see him bouncing around all the time. But part of the appeal of Bonn in particular was that you could use him different.

ways, right? So he would, he had a hundred. Structurally. Yeah, but it's not really changing that much. No, but he had like 100 plus snaps on the edge last year, Bonn. So, which you probably wouldn't have done with Devin White. Sure. You know, so, so. And I think that that is maybe the selling point is that you just give those snaps to Jihad Campbell. And now Zach Bonn can be free to just be the green dot in the middle and just play lineback. Exactly. And so like when I look at it, where is, almost like, I've been thinking about it a lot over the last few years in terms of like, deep. defensive structures and thinking about like the Jim Schwartz scheme and you know that when they made the transition to Jonathan Gannon and then from Gannon to to decide and then eventually

Defangio, you know, I think when you look at it, I break defensive football like the structure up into, you have your front and you have your back end. Are you going to be complicated up front with different multiple, you know, front looks and you're going to change things up and you're going to be exotic there and then you're staying basic on the back end. So I think of the New Orleans Saints. They moved Mario Davis around. You have various sub-packages. But it on the back end, they're just playing man-to-man coverage or they're playing quarters, right? Or are you going to be kind of cut and dry up front and then you're going to have all the different disguises on the back end?

Like when I think of Jonathan Gannon, the way that they play, Nick Rallis, this defense with the Arizona Cardinals, you know, they have the safetys, multiple safety packages. They take the nickel and sometimes he's lined up here and sometimes he's lined up there. You think of Mike McDonald in Baltimore and then eventually in Seattle, what they do on the back end, will they stay cut and dry up front so that they can be multiple on the back. when I think of Vic Fangio and the Eagles, I think the front multiplicity stuff shows up with Zach Bond. Hey, there are times where just before the snap,

he's lined up off ball, then he comes down, he kicks down, and everybody slides over. That's great, but in the secondary, it was fairly vanilla. You knew what to expect, and they were just going to out-execute you week after week. So for MNuari, it would be almost be kind of a bummer for me,

because that's how I loved him in a scheme like that. If I can ask both of you, I don't know if I would say a philosophical question, but it ties in the kind of draft process here, is that Bo and I in the past have talked about the mistake teams make sometimes when they draft a player for a particular coordinator or a particular scheme.

Do you view this differently with the Eagles, A, because Vic Fangio isn't going to leave to become a head coach. Now, I don't want to send him to the Dunmore Senior Center yet, 66 years old, like, but, you know. Great food city. I've eaten in I'm just going to say what's your favorite pizza place and none more I can't tell you that

but he did recommend an Italian place one time when I was one but Quinn John Judkins off the board to the Cleveland Browns so but is that's a bad pick is is Vic Fangio and the Eagle situation now an exception like Siriani just won the Super Bowl Siriani's not going anywhere right now right

you know I assume for the next year or two or three or four or five, whatever it is. But Vic Fangio, we would imagine, has staying power here for as long as he wants. So does that make you view drafting a player from a scheme perspective a little different? I think so. I still don't think you should draft for somebody. Yeah. But I also think we can make too much of like, well, this guy can evaluate because he nailed the Zach Bond thing.

But I think part of the alert of drafting guys for Vic is that you can sort of trust his eyes. a little bit. No, but you're saying like with, with Eamany Warre, he wouldn't be used here the way that it might be the way to maximize him. Like, should that ever factor into the way you're making decisions this draft? I think it should. I think honestly, I think

it always, because it goes back to my feeling on it's the GM and the personnel, the scouting staff's job to supply the coaches with players that they're going to use. I think that's the best version of this whole operation is when you're working in concert that way. If you go and you find a player that's not going to be a good fit,

then, you know, that doesn't do you any good. Now that said, you don't want to get into the situation, which is like the Jalen Rager, Justin Jefferson conversation of, although the coach thinks that he's only a slot guy, so we're not going to do it. You can make the evaluation that way, but if they say, hey, like, no, red light, we don't want this guy.

I think that you... I think it's more in this discussion, particularly with Eamon Worry. Right. It's less about, because it's not about maximizing even worry. it's like, presumably if Vic liked him, he would have had a role for him. He would have been the second starting safety, right? It's more about if this is all we're asking of our starting safeties from a resource allocation standpoint,

if we can get a guy who can do those things similarly to Eam and Worry in the third or fourth round, then we shouldn't use a second round pick on the guy whose real appeal is that he can do a lot of other stuff. That's fair. Yep. But I feel strongly that your draft decisions should be independent. of scheme to an extent, although I hear what you're saying that the coaches need to utilize them, but definitely independent of your roster.

And that factors into the regular thing. One of the things that came up then is they wanted to play 12 personnel because they had Ertz and Goddard at the time. And so they didn't want a guy they viewed as a slot because they were looking for two outside guys. But I was having a text exchange with someone recently about like the types of edge rushers that the Eagles should be looking for. you know and it's like should it be someone who needs to fit with nolan smith and j ox hunt and i said absolutely not like don't let jowx hunt dictate the the player you draft draft the best head rusher that you can find like don't worry about what this roster looks like yep by the way i just got a text from memory i need to say hello to write i don't see the screen yep but read what's

up congratulations i missed his game tonight he got interception nice football i'm so pumped for him uh and read him and read yeah um and uh and uh he's He's talked to me a number of times about what his draft day is going to be like. So I am in a... How about this? The first draft that I don't cover will be Reed's draft. How about that? I'll make that pledge to him.

Bold prediction. Yeah, I'll make that pledge to him. How does Reed feel about the Jahad Campbell pick? So he didn't know as much about him. He was, he wanted to know if he could get a Tyler Warren jersey for his birthday. He said that he's not going to ask for Abdul Carter because that's Giants. And he said, but he can wear a Colts jersey. That's what he said.

I think that's fair. Yeah. So we'll see. Like that. Hello to read. How we doing? Okay, so the Browns at 36 taking Quinnshot Jenkins, and I don't like this pick. We talked about this on the PHLI draft show with Fran Duffy.

I love the looking at the running back's yards per carry relative to their teammates over the course of college. It feels like the one position where you can get sort of that. one-to-one comparison, and there's not a big history of guys turning into all pro running backs who have had a worse yards per carry than their teammates in college. There are three guys who did that. Devante Freeman, Marciaun Lynch, and Josh Jacobs, Devante Freeman was half a yard worse.

Quinn-Shoddkins over the course of his career, a full 1.1 yards worse in yards per carry than his teammates. And then you told me that he also faced the highest percentage of light boxes of any running back in this class. in this class. And so, I know he's a, I know he's a,

uh, a powerful between the trenches guy, but that is at the top of the second round, not a, not a great bet for me. No, that's a lot of those, that number was serviced by the fact that he played in that

Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss offense that is very favorable to those skill position players that the giant still thought it was okay to trade up for that quarterback in the, in the first round last night. But I guess, but I think, even Jackson Dardard's such heat.

I mean, you know, yeah. but when I was putting the bones together another trade up here the dolphins moving to 37 go ahead the dolphins moving up when thinking about what the Browns were going to do with this pick I did I thought they would pass on quarterback overall after making that trade yesterday

and then I thought they need a running back Nick Chub is unsigned they need somebody to be that that ball carrier would it be Treveon Henderson or to be Quinnshot Judkins or Caleb Johnson I thought it would be Quintan Judkins. He fits their profile a little bit more. They also need an every down type of presence. And I feel like with Henderson, that's the concern. Is he capable of being that guy for an offense in the NFL?

Do you think this is the start of a run on running backs? Really the only other one I could see going right now is Henderson. So that would be my only thing. I wonder if that's who Miami is trading up for. Garifolo says the dolphins are sending 37 and, 143 for 48, 98, and 135. The dolphins, so I'm sorry.

The dolphins have said, you know, Chris Greer, Mike McDaniel, they both, as soon as the season ended, it said we have to get the offensive line fixed. Now is the time for us to invest in the offensive line. You don't do that on night one. I would think that this has to be an offensive line. Ersson. Jonas 7-I-Ayea, Jared Wilson.

Chris Greer's profile, again, is Young Power 5. So I think this is not Ursary. guess is that a big Jonah from Zona. Or Big Jonah from Zona. I like that. Did you just come up with that? No, I did not come up with that one. Jared Wilson would make a little sense to, SEC.

But he would. And he would be a great scheme fit. I like that one. Yeah, I would leave the door open there. They've got Aaron Brewer, who they gave decent, they gave a decent money to in the free age market last year. But I would like that. I'm going to go Big Jonah here.

Okay. Big Jonah from Zona. Sure. Damn. Look at you. you. Fran, you were,

man, Fran is killing it. It's early. Yeah. My bold predictions why we drafted him. I know. I feel like,

I mean, I don't want to get myself in trouble. I feel like you've been underutilized for the next day. I mean, yeah,

I'm shouting that from the real time. I would agree with that. You're like a sleeping giant. You're like, seriously. You know, yeah. Now,

Now, Zach, did you end up watching or listening to the end of last night's show? Yeah, listen on the way home. Listen on the way home. And what did you think? Awesome. I mean, you guys have great chemistry. He's not utilized. I didn't get to watch, I didn't get to watch Chris with the beer, but I heard it.

Production was awesome. Is that why you're going T-shirt jacket? So I thought that was the first challenge. Actually, Emily, who's watching now, she's really pushing more of the, t-shirt jacket look she she's i mean she wants me to dress down a little more as opposed to like uh so uh when she saw this today she said that's so much better um so uh and and she also wants uh she listens to the ad she wants me to get a contact for golden nugget jewel or so follow up with that too um you guarantee you won't get hoodwain yeah you're getting bamboo

but no so uh so you want a haiku let's hear the high coup let's hear the high cut He did it. Yeah, so I'm not really a haiku guy. I'm more, you know, when I was in high school with Julia, I did more rhyming couplets, right? Okay. So I wasn't as big on haikus, but I hope the structure is correct here. 575. 575, yeah.

Okay. Gadell Reads linebacker. Is that, is this incorrect? Goodell reads? Yes. Oh, okay. Goodell reads linebacker. Howie implies quarterback's night.

Mayor, reporter podcasts on fumes. He sound like your headlines that you, uh, did I not get it correct? I mean, you did it. I mean, yeah, okay. Okay, I was trying to make it topical. Okay. I used to read every Monday the adieu haiku by Peter King. Shout out to Peter King.

I miss reading your work right now. The best, the absolute best of those cool seeing Michael Silver in the Jacksonville Jaguar's draft room, as that's like something Peter King used to always do. So I'll read this again. Godell reads linebacker, Howie implies quarterback's nightmare, reporter podcasts on fumes. Yeah.

I like that. That's okay? It's a new drop. Someone says, first line, six syllables. How about... Goodell reads linebacker. Goodell reads backer.

Yeah, Goodell reads backer. Goodell reads LB. Godell reads LB. Howie implies quarterback's nightmare. Should that be QB's nightmare or quarterback's? Well, whatever it fits. Okay. Reporter Podcasts on fumes.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. They say they want their likes back. Is that not sufficient enough for you? I mean, I'm sorry. I'm, I was... He did the draft.

I mean, he did the outfit. Yeah, yeah. Now, we'll say... I want to tell me... I don't know that Zach has caught on to what is happening with Julia here. I will say one more time. Oh, is that my... Okay.

I will say... I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I was excited. Get the likes up. Get the likes up. We need the views. And I will tell you that last night, night one of the draft,

we had the highest amount of live viewers concurrently at one time that we have ever had on a P-H-O-Y show. So we want to top that tonight if we can. But that's a great watermark and it deserves a full-throated... Yeah! You know what?

I was happy for my friend. I was waiting for you to mention the birth of Leah. at the Eagles facility today, at the Eagles facility today, everyone's asking, has Beau had the baby yet? I was, yes.

I can finally confirm, well, has Rachel had to have the baby yet? So yeah, I was so excited for you. I was so excited for you. I was, at the top of the show,

I thought you would mention it. There was no, like, big social media announcement. So I was waiting for the, uh, the, uh, did you think he was going to make a big social media announcement,

though? Uh, well, he did the subtle one. Yeah, he has three kids to feed. Please read this. Yeah. But yeah, I was thrilled for you.

But I probably didn't need the Harold Dean or Howard Dean. But no, the person saying they want their likes back. All right. I'll give you my, and so my stats here last night. Okay. Now, I fell asleep in four minutes. The latency is four minutes. That's nice.

Okay. That's good. At 401, fell asleep. I slept for three hours and nine minutes. Okay. I was up at 724. And then I saw the kids for a bit.

then it was on Anthony's show with Fran. It was fun. I like going on this morning. I tried getting back to sleep, and I just had, you know, I was just too juiced up. I was too revved up. And naped on the cards for you.

I dozed off for about 16 minutes. Okay. And you're a chair? Or I shower. Yeah, on the chair while writing up the players I was interested in for today. Purposely?

Or just like you dozed off while you were? I, I dozed off as I was writing. I was, yeah. But then I feel great now. I'm ready to roll. The Patriots took this one down to the wire,

and another running back goes off the board to New England. Mike Vrable, this was a takeaway from Andrew Berry last year. Okay. Because Vrable was with the Browns, and he said when they drafted Michael Hall, said, like, Mike loves his Buckeyes. Okay. So they get a Buckeye running back here.

Trayvion Henderson going to the New England Patriots to compliment Romandre Stevenson. That's a good. I like that fit. I like that fit a lot. Yeah. Yes. You debate the value of a running back there, but I like that. I like that fit much better.

Yes. I like that. I like that a lot. Is Trayvon Henderson your running back three? Yes. He is, right? Yes. Okay.

My big thing on my journey with Henderson was I loved the film. I love the player. I was a little concerned and still am concerned about his overall role. He reminds me of Brian Westbrook. That was one of the players I wrote down while watching him back when I first studied him. But the big thing was, you know, he came out like, came on like bangbusters or gangbusters as a true freshman. And then two years, he couldn't stay healthy.

You know, that sophomore year and junior year were cut short by injury. And then he didn't really take off again until this year when they brought in Judkins. And it was kind of a one-two punch there in the backfield. So I wonder, like, does he need to be that kind of guy? Is the durability always going to be a concern? How high do you take that guy? Because people are making the comparison to Jemir Gibbs. Jimir Gibbs was a workhorse at Georgia Tech and then eventually at Alabama when Henderson,

he hasn't shown that ability to be that guy. So that's the only thing that gives me pause with his profile. Do you think, as I look at Will Johnson's sort of standing out, right? Do you think that the Eagles rolling the dice on an injury concern in Jahad Campbell would make them less likely to do it for Will Johnson if he fell? Hmm. No, I don't think so. I think they look at it probably like every player's his own evaluation and decision.

You know, you're making a bet on all these guys. I don't think so. What do you think, Zach? Yeah, so I mean, I really love Will Johnson the player. But, and again, I don't want to just say because this is the same position. I once loved Sidney Jones, too, right? And I remember when the Eagles drafted Sidney Jones, and I'm like, oh, they got to steal. They're just more patient than other teams.

But sometimes it's like, you know, the league, there's a lot. smart people in the league too like with some other teams there's some people who aren't very smart but there's some people who are smart too so it's like sometimes the james gladstone press conference today oh yes i was gonna i was i was i was gonna text you guys that um that was i haven't got i haven't i mean talk about a guy who thinks he is inventing football oh my gosh it's yes it was the sermon i mean i mean i even think that's that's that's worth playing just to get franz live reaction um that like if we can play that tweet because this thing there is like there is um Um, there's, uh, hyperbole.

There is, um, this was beyond, I mean, it was crazy. It was like, it was beautiful in the conviction with which he said it, but it was a little, it was a little much. I jokingly texted my brothers. I text my brothers the clip and I'll tell you exactly what I said. Uh, and you guys will, will laugh at this. And I sent the clip and I said, if I was a GM. Okay. And then my brother.

I hear this now. Yeah. My brother, Matt, he wrote about his dislike for this guy. He said, that's not even real. There's somewhat between cliche city and that speech that I can live with. So, yeah. I hope Matt doesn't mind that I read that on here. I'll see if I can find it, Julia.

I don't know if we're able to play it or not, but it is crazy. We can play tweets, can't we? All right. So Chicago, our friends at CHGO, they've got two picks and three selections coming out. They are. You have to leave us again at some point, right? Yeah, I will, but I can tell you, like, I'm sure that that set was despondent when the Patriots took Travian Henderson. Because I know that the Bears, the Bears fans were very much hoping for Travion Henderson.

And after yesterday, when they were all so upset about Colston Loveland, this is another kick in the gut there for the Bears. What do you think they do here? My gut says edge rusher. You know, I think that when you look at... I really like Azaraku. Yeah, I think that... Yeah, but I don't think that that has a fit for... for Dennis Allen is the other thing.

Dennis Allen likes the bigger, longer, sturdier ends. So I look at Toi Moloau. I look at Landon Jackson. I think more along those lines for them. The UCLA edge rusher bow likes is someone who I, in the last week, have heard good things about as well. It's less that I like him more than I just thought that the Eagles would like him. But yes, that's Femiole deja.

I could sort of see that, I guess. Yeah. Honestly, my guess is we're going to see two edge rushers go off the board in the next three picks and maybe three in the next four, because you've got Chicago twice. We have the Saints at 40. We have the Jets at 42. I think we'll see a couple of edge resters here.

Go off the board in the next few picks. Nick Scorton, Landon Jackson, Donovan Azaraku, JT, Tuamolo, Mike Green still on the board, and Oloafemi, Oladasia. That's six guys who I think are all, you know, top half of the second round likely. Yeah, and I also want to reiterate something that I talked about with Anthony this morning is that I don't think, even if we view Jihad Campbell as an edge rusher or even like a part-time or most of the time

edge rusher, that should not take you out of the decision-making to take an edge rusher this year. As you said, Beau, it's a rotational position. Bryce Huff is either not going to be on the team this year or not going on the team next, like the year after. The guaranteed money expires after this season. And so, you know, Aziz O'Jolari's on a one-year deal. Josh Uchay's on a one-year deal. So I think this is a spot where it's, worth continuing to bolster.

This is a deep edge rusher class. If someone like Nick Scorton falls to 64, I think that's a terrific outcome for the Eagles. The Bears took my best player on the board. All right. Luther Burton off the board to the Chicago Bears. I'm excited for that fit. That's a good one. That's a good one.

For Ben Johnson, I'm excited for that fit. I think people will make the Amman Ross St. Brown comparison. I don't think that he's St. Brown slot receiver type there. I mean, he's going to make some tough catches over the middle. He's capable of doing that. but he is more Jameson Williams in that offense than he is St. Brown over the middle of the field. So he'll throw a pass in the playoff game when they make it?

I wouldn't rule. I mean, they would take that. Braggs would be fired up by that one. Yeah, but it's better than them giving the backup center a goal line carrier. That's true. It's interesting. First two picks, they go skill position players for Ben Johnson.

I mean, they loaded up on O-line in free agency, I guess through the trade, but through the pro market. Yeah, look, they want to try and support Caleb Williams. They said that from the jump, that that was going to be one of their big goals here this offseason. Not a good, I mean, that getting Luther Burton then makes sense when you've got the two picks because, I mean, the drop off at wide receiver now is enormous. No, and my guess is that, like I said, I do think that they'll select an edge rusher at some point in these next couple of picks for them. They've got a couple picks coming up here in the next couple rounds.

my gut says they'll take one here at 41, but we'll see. We have a haiku from De Niz. Julia tells me. I imagine it's about the coach who took Walter Nolan yesterday. Good evaluator. Oh, sure. Yeah, we definitely need it. Okay.

Decades will pass, but I will still never forget, forgive Jonathan Gannon. Wow. That's a good haiku. I would expect no less from Danes. But I also think Dennis would sign up for a few more decades. Like, if we can commit to never forgiving Jonathan Gannon 30 years from now, that means you're guaranteeing yourself 30 years. It's true.

You got to take that? Yeah, I think so. What do you think? I mean, I'm hoping for more than 30 years. I'm 39 years old. I'm trying to push 60 years out of this. It's a lot of writing. Yeah, well, yeah.

That's just not another book for a while. Emil, you're watching, not another book for a while. What? Let's define a while, please. I heard you guys say that on the show. If the Eagles won the Super Bowl next year, I am not writing a third Super Bowl book. I don't think the third Super Bowl is as a compelling of a...

But then they're a dynasty. Yeah, but has the story changed that much? I don't know. I would love it. If you were just like, oh, that's a good point. You know what? The one thing, the caveat that I gave is like a young adults book, right? Because she said children's book, but children's book, that's more about like the illustrations.

Like the writer actually, I don't think does that well in those books. I think it's more illustrator. Wow. It's all about the cashies. Man, but. Dr. Seuss taking shots. But the young adult book, like that's a, I feel that's a genre that, I mean, that's like, you know, how long are.

those books? Probably like 15,000 words, 20,000 words? I don't know. He's just going after everybody now. Just crushing somebody right now. No, and it's a great audience. It's, yeah, it's, you know, I think that's a real, you're saying young adult authors are not really writers. No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying it's a different, now it have to be a different type of book. There's a lot of foul language in the book that's coming out on September 303. Just throughout the sentences. No, dialogue. Dialogue. I mean, I'll say this.

Perhaps it's the proliferation of, or, you know, the, I've said this before, the Eagles Entertainment Department, they're, they do an amazing job. There's more access to information, or there's more access to these clips than there was seven years ago. Sure. I don't know if the 2000 and 2014 curse more than the 2017 team, or if it's just that there's just more. clips, but man, this team swears every sentence. Like, they can't, they can't, they can't get anything out without, without cursing. So, but it's, it's, it's, adds to the authenticity of it. I hope that you're also writing in Florida language.

No, there's no curses from, from my language. Yeah, there's, there's nothing like that. Okay. It's all in quotes. Uh, saints on the clock. Kellan Moore. What's Kellyn Morgan again? Will they pull the trigger on Shador?

This could be Will Johnson. Okay. Pick is in? Okay. My guess would be Will Johnson. He fits their profile. They need corner help. They lost Marshawn Lattimore.

They lost Paulson and the Debo. They like the young. It could be the Revel kid. Oh, wait. I'm going to say it. This is Tyler Shuck. It's 40. Yeah.

Yeah. This was shout out to Nick Underhill. He's been all over this. No. Did he go to college with Kellyn Moore? What's ahead? Did he go to college of Kellogg? This is Tyler Shuck.

Yeah, this, this pick has been kind of rigged. I'm saying Kellan's the youngest head coach in the NFL. Yeah, they love, they love Tyler Shuck. Oh. Yeah. What are they thinking? He's 26 years old. Not yet.

I mean, now this is the thing. They do need a starter this year. And it's something that, you know, Nick Underhill. Yeah, he does an outstanding. He does an outstanding job, Nick. Underhill. Yeah, no doubt about that. And so the

logic here is that they need a guy who can start day one. And so now they could have addressed that via trade, you know, I,

I just, I want to throw this one out to you guys. Now this is, hold on. Can we make this? We got to make this our ice cold pick presented by Ace Hardware

Home Services because this is a franchise that it's flushing itself down the toilet. I mean, I disagree with that. I know you like that. Like Tyler Shuck, that's fine.

He's ancient and not that good. If he, I think there's a decent chance that he is like Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins now? In a couple years. Yeah, like a year or two, yeah. So he is, he's a year and a half older than Tanner McKee. Hypothetically, like if, if, if, if, if, if, if, um, if, if one more called the Eagles and said, we'll give you this pick right here.

Yeah. 40 for Tanner McKee. Would you take it? I think you'd have to. I would not. Interesting. But that's right. I mean,

that's a framing device. I'm curious if it's something healthy about it. That's how I always felt about the Brandon Whedon pick. You know, like it was the same summer that Trent Edwards was lighting up preseason. And Trent Edwards was a cast off who was 26 years old. Imagine him having been in college two years later what he would look like in college. Like,

I don't know. It just. But is your concern that he was performing against people four or five years younger than him? Or just that the shelf life isn't as long for him? No, it's not about the shelf life. It's about evaluating. It's about contextualizing what you're watching. And just imagine, you know, who else is a prospect?

Like Will Howard two years later. Will Howard is basically to say he's one year younger. Give you whatever 23-year-old there is as a quarterback prospect. Jackson Dart or he's 21. But yeah, like wouldn't, wouldn't they also look a lot better two years later? Yeah. I don't know. I just.

But I think there's something to be said for it's like the Cam Ward thing. Like, hey, is Cam Ward physically different than he was a year ago? No, but if he went in last year's draft, he was a late third round. He was a late day three pick. He goes back, gets another year worth of experience and turn himself into the number one pick. I think there's some of, sell me on the ice cold pick here. Sell me on Shuck. I think that if you're looking for a guy that can come in and be, you know, I don't

when I watched him, I thought he has the cleanest quarterback film of anybody in this draft. I would not take him in the first round, but I would say, like, yeah, there's a decent chance that he turns into a Jimmy G level of quarterback. What does clean mean? What is clean about the tape? He's good in the pocket. He's very good decision maker. The armed talent is good.

He can make throws from various platforms. The accuracy showed up. He wasn't a wow armed talent. Like, this isn't like, oh, big guy throw hard. It was like, he can make every third. row. And again, good decision makers played in four different offenses. You know, I just look at it and say like, yeah, I feel good. And everything I heard about, like, the interview process was really strong. When I watched him in November or December, whenever it was, he got invited to the

shrine ball first and then the senior ball. I was, I was pretty surprised to the film where I was like, yeah, there was not enough talk about this guy. You know, I thought this, he's got the ability to be one of the best quarterbacks in this class. Now, the general fan who is not grinding film, their question is probably why Shuck over Shador Sanders? Yeah, I mean, I had Shador, great, and higher. So I think that the, this is where it's the beauty in the eye, the beholder kind of situation where every team is going to meet with all these quarterbacks and you're going to say like, they enjoyed this meeting and they,

some teams did not. From what I gather, like things didn't go well with Shador Sanders and the Saints. I mean, I just at 25 years old in college, he better be lighting it up. his final year completion percentage under 63%. That's the worst of the top 10 quarterbacks in this class. Hold on. Stand by. Would you have something? Yeah, I might have nothing crazy.

I mean, you know, it's there, it's, I'm cherry picking a little bit because yards per attempt is in the middle of that group, right? But like, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I would say like I'm looking at like his adjusted completion percentage which takes, takes no count, like take, take, throwaways and the drops out. And it's 80.5%, which is above average number. It's not like a mind-blowing number, but that's better than the number.

That's just the pure grade there. So, yeah, again, I don't view him as a world-beater. I don't think that he's going to be an all-pro. But for just the same way, honestly, it's the same way that I can make the argument that Bo Nix is worthy of a top 15, top 20 pick last year. I feel the same way about Tyler Shuck at this point in the drug.

when you get to day two, taking a swing on a guy that can be that level of quarterback, I think is a fine swing to take. Okay. Maybe this is something we'll put, you know, put some Papp's lights on. Sure. Okay. What was the question you were going to ask before? That'll do it for the ice cold pick presented by our friends at Ace Hardware Home Services.

I don't recall, but I do know that Julia, Chris, and Brenna have the, Oh, you want to watch the James Gladstone clip? It's quick. do. Real quick, just because this guy was an Eagles target that was in for a 30 visit. Buffalo is selecting T.J. Sanders. Interesting. I like T.J. Sanders. And they trade it up with the bears together. I was actually going to say earlier that I thought he would have made sense as a guy in the range of 64 if they stayed and didn't go all the way up. And he goes a little bit earlier than I was expecting. But I do like T.J. Sanders. Yeah, let's play the James Gladstone. It's going to change your life, Fran.

Yes, this is, this is it. This is it. Thinking about the sport of football and really the power of the game itself, right? Its capacity to ignite belief, right? Belief in ourselves, belief in others, right? Belief in achieving what many may deem impossible. Travis Hunter, he embodies belief. He's a rare person. He's a rare player.

But he's also a reminder that the boundaries, of the game of football were built to be challenged. And so the decision to select him was actually a statement, a statement for how we plan to move, who we are, and we want him to be nothing more than him. Because when he is, he elevates the space around him. From the football field to the city, to the game of football itself,

Travis Hunter is who we've been hunting up. Couldn't be more jacked to be sitting right here beside him and introduce you all to the man of the hour. Do you think he wrote that? Probably. The first half when he said it wasn't bad. I think that was all right. We got a little out of control at the end there.

The decision and the statement, yeah. Yeah, that was a little. How many times do you think he practiced that? Legitimately. Well, because he memorized it, right? So he had to, there had to be a good like 15 times. And then you're working on the inflection. Am I going to play up this angle?

Am I going to play up that angle? And you go with the right? You go, you know, right? Yes. Yes. You know, you give it that. Yeah. It was only a few years ago that he had to, like, memorize, like, the speak in front of his high school class.

So, like, I mean, he's got, he's had practice of this recently. Man. Yeah. I mean, it's, that, the, the clothes was going to change the world. Yeah. this decision to draft Travis Hunter. I'm inspired. I hope you guys are. I mean, that shivers out my spine.

I do love football. I don't know if that's the framing I would make, but hey, hey, be you, man. Well, that's my actually, that's my problem with it is it doesn't feel, it doesn't feel authentic. Yeah, it's like this is what, if I'm cosplaying as less need, but also an evangelical preacher, this is, this is the speech I would give. Can I share it? I'll let you, Cherit. No, go for it. No, you got a sec.

No, no. Go, go, go. No, because you're reporting from a source. I'm reporting from Twitter. So report it from a source. Mason Taylor going to the New York Jets. So that's an option for the Eagles off the board. I'm okay with this.

I think if you're an Eagles fan, I think that's okay. Yep. So let me ask you guys this then. Something that Anthony Gargano said on the show this morning, make sure you're watching Anthony, is that he thinks Harold Fennon is the Eagles target at tight end. we know Fran's rankings, which if you're a diehard you've seen, you've watched us the past few weeks, you know Fran has Arroyo as the number three tight end after the two guys who went yesterday.

But do you think Fanon would make sense as an Eagles target? And let me ask this in an interesting way to frame it. One thing I've heard throughout this process is that he's not as popular with the analytically inclined teams because of the athletic profile doesn't really kind of add up. is that i think that's fair i think there are some people in the analytics side of it well that are looking at like the production the production model is outstanding it's the athletic model's not great and so i think when you're looking at it uh you know there's there's two sides of the coin there i think fanning at the end of the day like when i watched him purely off film i thought that there

was a he was a pretty good athlete you know he's a he's a little awkward a little bit gawkees not as like he's not the same athlete as a royo um but obviously the production he was the focal point that offense, whereas Arroyo played in a scheme with three other receivers that went to the combine. Like, there were other NFL prospects. He had two running backs that are going to be draft picks in that backfield. So they had to spread that ball around a little bit more. I think when you're looking at Fanon, 64 might be a little early. Yeah, I'm probably thinking, you know, third round, fourth round. I heard he was going to fall to day three because, you know, the people saying that he's a hard player to model because of, you know, he's six, three, two, 40, and runs a four

7-1. Yeah. And even, you know, beyond the 40 time, like the other athletic testing numbers didn't, you know, they weren't particularly good. And so teams kind of have a hard time getting around that. So I heard he was going to fall to day three relative to a guy like Terrence Ferguson, who is just easier. It's easier to kind of project from that perspective.

But I look at. I like Fanon more than Ferguson. Me too. I do too. Yeah. And like Fanon when he played against Penn State this year and Penn State's defense has as guys going all throughout the draft, that's the best team they played.

He killed them. Like, he was, he was one of the best players on the field that day. I remember when the Eagles took Dallas Goddard. Dallas Goddard didn't run at the Combine that year. And I remember asking them

how they reconciled that, and they were just like, his production was so prolific that that's what they need to see. If you're coming from not a top school, then they need to see, did you dominate your competition? He dominated his competition.

I would be totally fine with Fanon, in the third round. Yeah, I agree. I think at 64, I would feel like that was a little bit rich. Yeah, I agree with that. I'm going to jump off at CHTO. I'll be back momentarily.

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Today to learn more. All right. Niners on the clock at 43. They are taking the big defensive tackle from Texas, Alfred Collins. So it looks like a bit of a defensive tackle run sparked by the T.J. Sanders selection. That leaves, as far as I'm concerned, Shamar Turner as a possibility there for the Eagles in the second round. Everybody else would be later, I think. Yeah, did you like Shamar Turner?

I do like Shamar Turner. I don't love Shamar Turner, but I would be okay with him at 64. Yeah, like what, 6-3-290? He's, I don't want to make the Milton Williams comp, but he's obviously a much different player than Alfred Collins. He's not your big bulldozing defense-deckleck. Alfred Collins would be your Jordan Davis replacement, essentially. What did you make, by the way, of the reporting around the Jordan Davis fifth-year option decision

that is looming for the Eagles? They've got about a week to decide. Yeah, and they're taking it down to the wire. And they're being particularly cryptic about it as well. I saw. Do you think that like waiting to see how the draft plays out is a part of that? So that's that's one theory. Another theory is that they want to see him at the offseason programs,

like see how seriously he's taking things. I think if you need to see how seriously he's taking things, you know, then if you need to see that in year four, then that's a problem, right? I totally agree with that. Like if you're, if we're basing this decision on like did he do enough offseason work in his fourth year, then don't do it. yeah it's it's it's like i you know when i'm talking to my friends you know you know you know when they were asking you know should i propose should i not i'm like if you don't know you already know right

and and and so i'm like no i'm saying if if if you know you know you know if you know if you have conviction um i think what that you know i think jordan davis is worth extending i still believe in the player i believe in the person um now what i would do i and i've been on record and i'm consistent with this, I would try to give them a contract extension as opposed to the fifth year option. I don't love the fifth year option unless like, you know, you can't quite come the terms on an agreement. I would try to come to like a three-year deal that's less money than that fifth year option. The fifth year option is, what, 13 and a half? Yes, yes. And so what, you would do? Or I think it's 12 to 8, maybe, but it's thereabouts, between 12 and 14, yeah. And you would want to do

something like three for 30? Three for 30. Exactly. I can see that. Yeah. I just, listen, he plays a third of the snaps. Is he going, like,

they want him to play more snaps. They wanted him to play more snaps last year too. And he didn't. That's a good point. That's a good point. I know that they want to protect the pick and they're happy.

Do you think that's what it is still? I think that's part of it. Sure. I think that there's something to like keeping the Georgia guys together. I think they think that he's a positive influence culture-wise, but I don't think that you can justify

the fifth-year option for him right now. I wonder, too, if there's, I don't want to say disagreement, but if Howie's view on him is different than Jordan Day, then Fangio's view on him. Fangio's the one deciding how much he plays, right? From Howie's perspective, I think he looks at Jordan Davis. Do sex in the playoffs. And the tools in the body.

Like the tools in the body cannot, you know, if you're just going on the high watermark. By the way, we did not get a tools in the body. We did not get a tools in the body. And he's the kind of guy you would need tools in the body for. If they had traded for, you know, the safety from South Carolina, you would have gotten tools

in the body. Is that the pick is in? Okay, that's the Colts. So, yeah, so by the way, Reed wanted me to mention him again. I said, I can't just put you in the show all the time, but when the Colts are coming up, I said when the Colts coming up, I will mention

because Reed will have a Tyler Warren jersey at some point. And so whoever they're drafting now will be Tyler Warren's teammate with the Colts. Oh, that's the Cowboys are up first. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Well, the Colts are next.

And so that player will be teammates with Tyler Warren. But yeah, the way I view Jordan Davis is it's hard to find guys with those types of tools. So you need to have conviction that he's not going to reach the ceiling you think. Because the one thing I know would particularly vex Hallie Roseman is if he reached that ceiling somewhere else. Right. If they didn't pick up that fifth year option, he has a strong year this year. He's a free agent. And next year he's signing somewhere for 20 million a year.

And it's like you had him in your building. You liked him. And you just didn't go forward with it. Sounds like the Dallas Cowboys, Zach, our draft on your boy. Donovan Azaraku, beginning the run potentially on edge rushers. Yeah. You like it as a rockoo. I really do.

Got those long arms. Yeah, long arms really productive. I think that, yeah, I think he needs to add more to his past rush repertoire as he gets to the NFL. But I see someone who has good bend around the edge. I see someone who, like, you can't fake your way into 16 and a half sacks, you know, 6 to 250 pounds. I think he moves well. You saw him, so 241 pounds there. He, you saw him run and test well at the combine. From everything I've heard off the field, too, like team leader. I've had a chance to speak with him at the combine. We heard him on a,

Anthony's show the other day. I think he's going to be a good player. And I think he's someone who's going to, I don't want to say hurt the Eagles in the future, but he's someone the Eagles are going to have to continue with. Danes makes this point on the time. And I think it is fair that it has been a luxury for the Eagles to not really have to worry about the quality of opposing edge rushers every week because of Lane Johnson

and Jordan Milata. So, yeah, I don't know if they're shaking in their boots about Azaraku, but I think that's a totally reasonable pick for them at 44. Yeah, really good value. I thought he was someone that the Eagles were going to look at in the first round. And you just see if you're, I hope you're watching us on the first screen. If you have NFL network on the second screen, you see the clip here when he gets,

he can get around and under. You know, that bend is what I'm talking about. And it comes up multiple times on film. All right. So let's play the name game a little bit now as we approach the halfway point of the second round. And the Eagles at 64, 20 picks away, 19 picks away, but the flexibility to move up if they want to. They're not going quarterback.

They're not going running back. They're not going wide receiver, given the people on the board. Elijah Arroyo, we talked about. I think that's a possibility. Ariante Ursary, basically the best offensive linemen available. Well, I was going to say there's been a clear rush on edge rushers. There hasn't been a rush on O linemen. Well, there hasn't been, this is the beginning of the rush on edge rushers.

They haven't really gone off the board. There's still Landon Jackson. Nick Scordon, JT. Toey, Moloao, Femio Ladejo, and Mike Green. Sure. That's a good point. So you're looking at it here, ursury. It's not great at the offensive line. If it's not nursery and it's not Jared Wilson,

you think the Georgia Center can move to right guard for you, then I don't think they're going to draft one in the second round. No, just the one name, though, that, you know, Tony Pauline, one of our favorite guests in the past. Sure. And he went Wyatt Milliam. Wyatt Milam. I'm sorry, Wyatt Milam from West Virginia.

Round two, that would feel a little bit rich for me as well. An older prospect and Brandon Thorne, when we had him on to talk about the offensive linemen in this class, talked about how this specific nature of that West Virginia offense makes it difficult to evaluate him. I think he would trust Jeff Stoutland, but in round two, that would be a little bit spicy for me. Is this our my guy's night or is that tomorrow? We can do it tonight, but we'll wait for a friend to get back.

for it, but we could also do it tomorrow. We can maybe wait for the third round after the Eagles have made their pitch. Sure. You know, they're obviously not going linebacker again, I would imagine. Now, Coroner, we've talked about, you know, Will Johnson is out there. Still out there. Shavon Revel,

Fran Duffey favorite, who I like as well, but is also dealing with an injury. Zaree Thomas, who was a nice, young, long corner from Florida State, but lacks top end speed. And then Trey Amos, for Momis, who they brought in for a pre-draft visit, Those are possibilities.

And then Xavier Watts, the safety from Notre Dame and Jonas Sanker, the safety from Virginia, I think also possibilities there. Yeah. You know, I think Trey Amos, that's someone who they brought in. That would make sense. Of the players you've mentioned outside of the edge rushers and scorters, you know, we should see JT. Tuimolo. J.T. Tuimolo, out of the board.

Off the board. He's someone I really liked. Tyler Warren's teammate. Yeah. That's true. Shout out to Reef. Read. Nick Skorton is the player who, if he gets to 64, I would rush the card up for. But Ursary, I haven't been as high on him as you've been.

I'm not that high on him. Or maybe as Fran's been. But I'll say this. Like the comparisons to Brandon Brooks in terms of like the athletic profile is very similar. Like the size and athletic profile is similar. So of the tackles who can move the guard and the thing that Brandon Thorne talked about and Fran talks about is the strength. Urs reek definitely has that type of strength. No doubt.

But then it really does fall off. You mentioned Milam, Charles Grant, who you like from William and Mary, but I think the second round would be a little bit rich. Anthony Belton, the big fellow from NC State, who the Eagles brought in for a pre-draft visit. But he's a little bit older. You know, it's a little bit rough there. Yeah, I mean.

And so now that Tuimolo is off the board, you imagine that these edges are going to go pretty quickly. Yeah, back to back here. Landon, Jackson, Scorton, Ola, Dade. Joe, Mike Green, maybe if one more of those guys goes, Eagles will feel compelled to move up if that's the position that they target. You're absolutely right. Now, at safety, I've heard people see,

and this guy that I liked, but Xavier Watts is someone that, like, there's a feeling he's ready to play right away. So the athletic testing is not good. I tend to think that the Eagles would lean more toward athletic testing at that position, especially if you're talking about a second round pick. Do you think Vic changes that at all? Maybe, maybe. And especially with the structure of their defense, I heard someone in the chat asking about

not having the sideline the sideline safety. What we mean by that is they play too deep safety. Yeah. Right? So this is not, you know, Jim Schwartz wants that middle of the field safety who's going sideline to sideline. The Eagles are often going with the split safety look at the top. So functionally, it's.

a bit different. All right, why don't we pound through some of the super chats that we have through the start of the second round here? And we appreciate everybody supporting the show. Jack Royer says, how much intel on other teams would the Eagles have had on the trade-up to number 31? Would they have known of another team trying to trade for that pick and specifically a team interested in Jahad Campbell?

That's a good question, Zach. It is a good question. Now, clearly, if they were looking to trade up to, as they're always, 22, then they were worried about teams going up and, you know, beating them to it. So I think that for 31 in particular, it was not about one team. It was to ensure that, all right, you can get the guy that's a clear outlier for you by only giving a fifth round pick. Now, if you want to, to take this a step further, Jack, if you want to kind of talk about process, it clearly worked out for Hallie Roseman. But whatever he was offering to get to the charges at 22 would have

been much more than what it took to get, uh, they got very lucky. That's what I'm saying. And the reports are that that were like, they thought they had a deal done. Exactly. They were moving up to 22 and there was just a problem getting it done with the league. Yeah. So that's extraordinary. Like they, they clearly thought he wasn't getting to where they were and they were going to give up a lot more. I'm curious to find out what it was. A lot more. Two thirds, right? I would imagine so. Yeah. So they got fortunate there. But from a process perspective, I think luck is a good term to use. No doubt about it.

I mean, it's okay to be lucky. It's okay to make that part of it. And then I also think on that specific move one up, you have to remember that for Kansas City, if they want, you know, they're drafting guy they think is going to be their long-term left tackle. They're incentivized to want that fifth year option. And so for them to instead of move down five spots

and get a slightly better return, this way they get the player longer term. But my guess is that the chiefs made sure that the Eagles, weren't taking Josh Simmons with that pick. Maybe they go offense, defense, that little situation. Yep. Yeah. Okay.

Next up from Eric, he says, just want to say thank you for all your hard work and time put in to entertain us. Also, congrats both. Thank you very much, Eric. We appreciate that. We appreciate everybody spending their time with us over the course of draft weekend. It's Friday, right? It is Friday.

Last I checked. Idiot Sandwich. Shout out to ZB for the best Campbell story yet. Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach. I appreciate that. I mean, there's stories that I would like to think are like the best that that's written. That was just kind of getting my thoughts on the paper. We're on to the screen, but that means a lot that you read it.

And please, like I know we pitched diehard here, but this promo that we have is not going to last forever, right? We have an update, by the way, from yesterday. Are we still ahead of Dallas? We were as of this morning. Yes, we were as of this morning. but my understanding is after after this weekend you don't get this 36 hour intro offer so if you want to take advantage of it and just just get on now because in my I don't want to speak for Fran but in my conversations with Fran he is like jacked up about

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will be a lot of fun. And then also on May 6th, if you're a diehard, we put out the call last night, and we filled up for the opportunity to watch film on the players, the Eagles draft, with Fran Duffy. You get to do some guys with Fran. And it was such a good response. We're opening up a few more slots, another handful of spots. So now is the time to get in if you want to join what will be a very fun event watching Fran and learning about the players that they draft as at 46, the Rams, who tried so hard to get Brock Bowers last year are instead drafting Terrence Ferguson in the second round.

A head of a Royal. Yeah, so that that jumps out. I mean, we would have probably thought that a Royal would have been one of the top four tight ends taken. Like either ahead of Mason Taylor or after Mason Tower, but Terrence Ferguson goes ahead of him. And I had been hearing when I asked around about tight ends that Ferguson was going to go in front of Fanon,

that kind of the consensus in the league was that Ferguson was ahead of So you saw that here. You do wonder now two tight ends have have gone. I do think that 64 is a little rich for Fanon, but if that's a tight end that the Eagles want and they want to come out of this with a tight end, I don't know if he's, because there's been this run, if he's going to keep falling.

Yeah, fair point. And you would want them to move back a little bit. But, you know, maybe we're a beggars can't be choosers. Let's keep going through the super chats from, oh, one second, all good. Arizona's pick us in. Do you have it, Chris? Who is it? Arizona taking Will Johnson. Yeah, so the PHNX crew is really going to like this one because he was someone that they talked about in the first round.

And so Will Johnson, I was fascinated to see if he would get past the Chargers because like I said last night, he's someone who, and by the way, Patrick Peterson introduced him one of the great cornerbacks. And at one time, I thought that he could be an eagle. but Will Johnson to me is like the clear from talent perspective, number two corner in this draft after Travis Hunter. He is awesome. And just a rock-solid player was a program-changing player at Michigan. It's a shame that the knee is the reason why he's dropped here. If he can get right, that's tremendous value for Arizona.

He joins a secondary that, you know, has Garrett Williams as an emerging player. So I like that pick. if he can get right. Well said. Interesting. That'll be a fun one to follow. You know, does he hold up health-wise long-term? And if so, do the Cardinals get a steal there? Keeping with the superchats, Roger E.

Any Goddard buzz as the weekend progresses, Zach? So I thought with Goddard a lot would depend on how the tight end teams shake out. So clearly the Colts get their tight end in Tyler Warren. I did not see the bears as a candidate for Goddard, and they took Loveland there, so that really didn't affect it. But when you look at teams, I thought the Jets would be a possibility for Goddard,

and obviously they get Mason Taylor, so take them off the board. I think one team to kind of watch that might be lurking, potentially, is the New York Giants. And I don't know about an intra-division trade, but they do have Theo Johnson, but that's a team that could potentially be in, the tight-end market via trade.

Now the- Performed speculation, or are you hearing something? That's more informed speculation, or that's not like, it's just kind of connecting dots for like potential teams. But I do think Mark Andrews has more value in the NFL than Dallas Goddard does.

And I think there's a thought that Mark Andrews could go first. Now, the team that has kind of been pegged for a potential- I'm surprised by that. Why would Mark Andrews have more value? I think he's a bit younger. and he's just as injury prone and he's

he's more one dimensional. True. But I don't know what his contract situation is. So I have heard that watch out for the chargers for Mark Andrews. We'll see if if that happens. They're also the same age essentially. He's a half year younger. He turns 30 and says, okay, yeah.

That's interesting. Fran Fan says you guys can't expect me to be able to focus on the draft analysis when you're all looking so good today. I'm going to shower. How about that? What are we going to do tomorrow? Are we going dressed down Saturday? Be you, man.

No shirt at all, just jacket? Well, no, it has to be consistent. Well, no, I mean, it doesn't have to be consistent, I'm saying, but definitely wear a shirt. I mean, if we get enough likes. No. No. The Texans have traded up here,

sending a third round pick to move up, I believe, nine spots with the Raiders selection. So that's exciting. writing. Next up, okay, Max Legroom says ZB, I would never take those likes back. Just sarcasm. I appreciate all the work. You and the PHLY crew obviously put in, everybody like and die hard up. Thank you. Amen. How many likes are we at so far? 284. What the heck? Support us. Also, let's get some comments going. We didn't get enough comments on yesterday's show. Let's get some comments on. Well, the comments are in the chat. In the chat.

True, true, true. But from the people watching it back. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just join live. Let's get the live viewers up. That's what I want. Fair. Go send a link around to your friends. How to go, friend. Good. Erseries off the board to Houston. It made sense. They're moving up for an offensive lineman. Last legitimate offensive lineman available, unless you count Jared Wilson. This is surprising that Ferguson went ahead of Arroyo and Fanon. No, there was some love out there for Ferguson. And honestly, my comparison, it's, he won't care that I share this.

So talking with our friend, Greg CoSell. a few weeks ago, we were texting about Terrence Ferguson. He hadn't watched him yet. And he's like, hey, have you done Ferguson? And I said, I have. Yes, correct. I was at that dinner. You're there.

You know how this goes. Bup, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, give me one second. Okay, here we go. So how about Ferguson? Have you done Ferguson yet? So I gave him the full report. And I said, I could see him being a great fit for Sean McVeigh with all the play action boot stuff.

He would be great in that situation. I compared him to Tyler Higby. And he said, I feel the same way. Higby's a really good comparison. I said Higby went in round four. I think he probably goes a little bit earlier. It's pretty good. I like that fit.

They've been desperate to add a tight end. Yes, they've been searching for it. So I'm sure they, my understanding is they would have loved Taylor. It's funny. When we were doing the episode, the mock draft episode, was that this week or was that last week? Whenever it was. I was like, oh, Mason Taylor would make a lot of sense.

And so I did some digging and they were like, yeah, like he's someone that McVeigh and the Rams once. So obviously they missed out on them when they made that trade with Atlanta, that ridiculous deal. But then, yeah, they end up getting Higby Jr. there with Terrence Ferguson. And then does it bother you? Well, no, you're not as anti-Gannon as some other people who've been part of the P. H.L.Y. Eagle Show. But that they landed two of your top 18 players, Will Johnson and Walter Nolan. How about that? That's a good process, at least. J.G. was really high on Milton Williams when he was with the Eagles and they took, and Milton was a top 30 player for me that year. So maybe we have the same eye.

There you go. Do you think he was at Louisville with Tyler Shuck? Jonathan Gannock. Probably. He was. I've said this to J.G. We were on opposite sidelines. 2006, Louisville football.

Brian Brown was the quarterback. Michael Bush was the run. He broke his leg the year before. So Kobe Smith, who was another future NFL back, came in. They had Mario Arrudea. And then who was the Harry Douglas? Yes. It was the receiver.

What's a Harry Douglas? So they had a really, really good talent. They destroyed. It was the week two of 2006 at the link, 63 to 3. We went down and we kicked a field goal in the opening drive. Oh, you got to lead. 63 straight points out of them.

Oh, man. It was brutal, brutal, brutal. I once tried the small talk out and with some Louisville football. Like, ah, did you see that game last night? He's like, yeah, I'm not really watching them. I'm watching St. Ignatius. And I was like, shoot, I got to look up San Ignatius to score. And what you find?

Now I, now if I see Dary and Kinnard in the locker room, I can tell you what St. Ignatius did the Friday before. There you go. I'm going to be right back. Okay. Menz room real quick. Cincinnati on the clock now after Owen Daniel is about to announce the Arionte Urstree pick.

Any recent picks jump out to you, Fran, as ones that you like. So since you last joined us, I think we have T.J. Sanders to the Bills. Mason Taylor to the Jets. Alfred Collins to the Niners. Donovan Azaraku to the Dallas Cowboys, JT. Tuey Moloow to the Colts, Ferguson, to the Rams, and Will Johnson to the Cardinals.

There are a few there that I like. Alfred Collins is a, that's a big swing there for the Niners. I know that Niers wanted to address defensive line. Certainly they've done that now with their first two picks. They lost a lot of players there. They look back at when that defense was really humming and it was, you know, they had a really good group up front.

Collins is a tough, that's a tough evaluation because I liked the film as a stout, kind of nimble feet, big nose tackle. And when you dig into the background a little bit, he was like, he's been on my sheet for a long time like that since the 2021 season. Back then,

he was your upfield, 295 pound three technique like the guy that made plays in the other side of the line of scrimmage every year he's just gotten bigger and bigger and bigger and now he's turned into this big sturdy nose tackle you know so and the production was never really there he was an upperclassman when byron murphy and devon julys sweat got there and the underclassman overtook him and became a starter uh so you don't love that but uh so a little bit of a late bloomer that never really quite reached his ceiling but the flashes are excellent that's probably a little bit earlier than i thought but i like the town i like the film yeah it's a

It's a specific type of player. I mean, you know, they could have gone a T.J. Sanders, Shemar Turner, instead they're going for the big body. Yeah. Asaraku, so I've got to give my piece about Azaraku. Now, they like to rotate defensive linemen, and they've got plenty of pass rushers. You know, you've got Marshawn Neeland and Sam Williams. Obviously, you have Parsons.

So if everybody's healthy, they can rotate them through. And maybe he's able to give them a return on investment there. I like the Tui Molo outpick for the Colts. I think that's a guy that can come in and give them snaps right away. They only have one edge rusher under contract after this season, and that's their first round pick a year ago in Laotu Latu. And so I think that was important for them to continue to bolster the depth in the trenches. Unfortunately, we have already used the ice cold pick of the night

because otherwise we could use it again now. Oh, for who? The Cincinnati Bengals at this pick, according to, I believe, Connor Hughes, are drafting South Carolina linebacker Demetrius Knight, who is 75 years old. You are such an ageist. He's going to be 26 as a rookie. Yeah.

I don't like this. And he's a linebacker. Yeah. And we're leading off with the intangibles on the graph of for NFL Network. He's a great leader. I would hope so. I'm going to be that old. He's playing with his children.

He played four years of Georgia Tech and was like a backup in average. Then he transferred to Charlotte and had a good year for Charlotte in 2023, then transferred again to South Carolina. line. I had a good year for the Gamecocks this year on a good SEC defense. This is such an unsurious pick. I wasn't blown away by the film. Some people, some people really liked the film. To me, I looked at him like, okay, like he can be at best. This is a replacement level middle linebacker. And from what I understand, everybody loves him as a person, like the intangibles. He's going to be that guy in the locker. And that's why DJ led off with that at the top of the

graphic. I get it. This is too early for me personally. I mean. Yeah. The linebacker play has been abysmal there the last couple of years. I mean, Jermaine Pratt has really fallen off. And so I know that they want to rebuild the spine of that defense. I probably would have gone a different direction, though.

I mean, any other direction. Yeah. What are we doing? Yeah. Don't love that pick. Ugh. Yuck. Well,

that's good news for the Eagles. That's a player. They weren't going to draft. That's true. Seattle up again. This could be a quarterback here. And so we're at the point now where the Eagles are finally on the screen. Oh, yeah, there you go.

So that's the first time where you see the PHAI on the screen. You think this could be a quarterback for Seattle? I think it could be. It could be Shador. It could be Milro. I could see both possibilities there. You know, the last time the Seahawks struck gold, they went out and they signed Matt Flynn to that big free agent deal, you know, big-ish free agent deal. And then they selected a quarterback on day two.

And then it worked out well for them. Maybe he's trying to recreate that. Yeah, I like that. if I can ask you guys about someone you both know um Bo Allen is going to be announcing this picture again yeah that's fun right yeah what do you expect are you expecting it to be run of the mill

or do you think there's going to be a highlight I think it'll be a highlight I think so I think he'll have fun with it yeah but I don't think he's going to I don't think he's going to try to make it too much about himself I think yeah I think he'll do a nice little thing but is it going to go crazy with what like is he going to be dressed a certain way is he going to be

I think he's going to be dressed how he's normally dressed which is a certain way Oh, okay. You know, he's got some flare to his game. Sure. I agree with that. Yeah. I think it'll be fun.

I did, and there's no disrespect to bow. To that, which is a guy. He was like, you get the email like the, the NFL legends. It's like Eagles. Wisconsin. Yeah, no, I know, but I don't consider him an Eagles legend per se, but. How dare you?

Man, the Honey Bobo. He's a Super Bowl champion. That is true. Once the champion, always a champion. I'd call him a legend. Okay. Always like Bowell. Oh, he's great.

Apparently not as much. It's not legendary enough. You like him. Bill Matt says he's going to do it as Kylie Kelsey. That's good. I like that. I also want to give it. Look, I appreciate all our viewers,

but a special appreciation for all our PHLY colleagues who are in the chat as well. That's awesome to see. Yes. I can't into that. I believe somebody is trading up here. The Broncos are trading out of it. The Panthers moving up. move up.

Do you, what was the Chicago CHGO reaction? There, they, it was, the whole let off. He was like, Fran,

this is the complete opposite of last night, because they took Loveland, who was my tight end three. They took him to him to get a player that I'm extremely high on with burden. So I was able to talk about burden. I think that's,

I love that pick. I love that fit. So they were happy there. I chat, I chatted with Dallas about Eziraku. I told them they're, they're getting a likely Eagles fan down there, so they should be excited for that.

But, but yeah, I think both went well. Both teams excited about both picks. Yeah, Zerak was fun. I think Arizona, I think PHNX will be excited about the Will Johnson selection as well. I'll be jumping on with them here in a couple minutes.

Okay. Jeez. Can't believe Tyler Shuck wasn't even the oldest player drafted in the second round. So like this is what is... Lose up next. Nose feratu? The age thing is a much bigger deal for me

with that selection than it is with the quarterback. Agreed. Well, I get it because the quarterback matters so much, but I still think the context of what you're seeing matters. But I agree. I do agree with that. At what point here do we need to reignite the Mike Green discussion? And does the calculation change?

No, it's an important. Or is it, you know, if it's, if, you know, I don't feel like your morals are less flexible in the second round in the first round, but the investment's different. but it's still you have to be comfortable with the person that you're bringing into your building. And so, but Mike Green continues to be on the board here. And as there has been a run on edge rushers, he's an edge rusher who has not gone. Yeah.

I mean, I do think that I don't think you stack your board like, well, we would be okay with it in the second round. I think you just, you're okay with it or not. Sure. Yes, I agree. As far as my understanding of how it works for them. But I would still, I mean, I would rather have. Nick Scorton. I would rather have Landon Jackson. I would probably rather have Femio as well. And I've heard Braden Swinson as a player who fits the Fangio scheme in particular,

but I don't know if you pick someone based on Fangio. Seahawks. I actually disagree with that. You're taking Elijah Arroyo. So there goes another tight end. So the second round, yeah, second round said a run on tight end. I feel like you like the Seahawks draft so far. who's the first? Royo Eman Worry and Arroyo This is that's the full That's gonna get a grade for me

I mean that's You might be in that war room That's a good pick Those are all a fran guys That's a good pick Oh I like him in that offense too They got they got Kubiak there The only thing is

Is that like all these guys Work the middle of the field All these pass catchers that they've got Because I've got Cooper Cup You've got Jackson Smith and Jigba You've got a Royo Yeah he was so good At the Senior Bowl

he's a good player I think teams are going to regret passing on him your number three tight end and he's his number two tight end oh that's right you had him over Loveland that's true and it's going to be worth monitoring

now the NFC West where you have Ferguson and Arroyo both in the same division that's a good point oh I like that yeah it's a really good point all right so the Eagles are 11 no 13 picks away

and I still I mean I like Landon Jackson but Scorton is there as well I would like Jackson I like Scorton. I like Scorton more than Jackson. But there's not after that a guy that you would be really excited about. I think you could, you know, you could sell me on Oladija, potentially.

Shamar Turner, the Texas A&M defensive tackle. I think he could potentially sell me on. Now, Trey Amos, they brought in the Ole Miss corner. Yeah. And then the two safeties, Jonas Sanker and Xavier, Xavier Watts. Some people like Xavier Watts a lot, and that would be sort of a plug-and-play starter. as far as they're concerned. How about a guard?

But who? Jared Wilson, you're moving him? Do you like Tate Radledge? He's a good player. Yeah, Tate Radledge is a good player. And I think that's the right range. End the second round. Okay, in the third round.

I would be a little bit underwhelmed by that, but you could sell me on it. I have a vertical board versus first horizontal board question feel here. Okay. So let's say the Eagles are up. I should invent a diagonal board. That would make sense. The Eagles are up at 65.

for let's say and harold fanning junior sticking out like a sore thumb at tight end like there's there's no one in that tier at at tight end but he doesn't have the grade for this round but you know if you don't take him here you might not be able to get him so you could do the slight trade back yep but then you also risk getting too cute like do you reach for a position because there's not because there's a significant drop off after that player i don't think so i think you got a that's where that's a situation where you stay true to the board. To the horizontal board. That would be a situation where you don't want to dip into that. Just for the record, Nick Scorton now off the board, that's who the Panthers moved up for to 51. It's to play with Derek Brown. What a lucky guy he is.

So you and Dan Morgan are like kindred spirits because he is obsessed with young players. All he does is draft 21-year-olds. After drafting the over-aged Xavier League with his first pick last year. They trade up to take league it and then it was like five straight 21 year olds and he started off this draft. You gotta wonder how much of the younger patterns in that discussion but he's just like, just likes the young, uh, tail. Oh, God. Staying far away from that one.

You know what? The other thing, the other thing is what if the Eagles are just keeping Dallas Goddard? Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. The Josh Swett from last year. And if they say to Goddard, like, like Dallas, they'd, Draft just happened. You're not getting your money anywhere else, right?

You take the best deal here. You're starting tight end, in a good offense. You have a good year. You can do what Josh Sweat just did. You go in the market. I mean, Josh Sweat was not getting $18 million or $20 million, whatever, you know, per year last year. He had a big year and he goes in the market. Now, Dallas Goddard's older than that, for sure.

I get that. But I think the best football situation for Dallas Gotter right now is playing for the Philadelphia Eagles. I agree. Benjamin Morrison? You like a Benjamin Morrison? Young Corner? Starter? Well, this goes back to the discussion we had last night about Corner.

Your boy's going here. Oladio. Oh, interesting. Yeah, so all of Deja goes to Tennessee. Okay, so that, I mean, that leaves Landon Jackson. Well, Mike Green, which I guess we've got to continue to monitor that. You sold me on Landon Jackson, and then I watched him, and I really like Linen Jackson. I really see, like, I see Connor Barwin.

Yeah, you said that. And I was like, wow, that's a great. That is a great comp. That's a great comp. He has a lot of, oh, Morrison's going to Tampa. Oh. So Benjamin Morrison will be going 53 to Tampa Bay. I covered Cincinnati basketball, or I covered Biggie's basketball when Connor

Barron played for Cincinnati. Connor Barron would have loved, I think, if he was six foot six, right? So the frame is a little different, but the playing style, I definitely see. Yeah, super explosive. Yeah. I mean, not a bad production. Yeah. Yeah, I like him.

Revel's still there, right? Chavon Revelle's still there. Your guy. But this goes to like, I mean, maybe it's just the strength of where things are right now. But I don't think the Eagles need to force a picket corner. No, but he's my best player right now. Yeah. Just looking at my board.

Who are the guys that are here that they've bought in? So the guy, oh, you know what? We actually have that. We actually have that graphic, the top 30 visits. So why don't we flash that up? Because that will give us a little bit of a framing device. Safety is good. There's good depth at safety.

Yeah. Sanker's there. Watts is there. Kevin Winston's there. And I still think offensive line is where we haven't seen that run. Now it's not a good offensive line class. Yeah. Just don't think it's, well, go ahead.

Yeah. It's just, it's a priority position for the Eagles. You can get your potential swing tackle here for someone that you like. But it is, yeah, I mean, it is narrowing here. Yeah, I mean, so the offensive line, you're talking Charles Grant from William and Mary, Anthony Belton from NC State, both guys a little bit older and, you know, a little bit projecty too. Yep, yep. You mentioned Tate Ratledge.

That is probably the one that would make sense. I wanted to ask Zach on that. But he's also, I mean, he's going to be 24 as a rookie. Sure. He's playing. He's just a guard. Yes. He's a good player, but yes.

Tested like a great athlete. Just a right. guard too. Correct. So Trey Amos there jumps out. Jacob Parrish jumps out. Obviously, Shamar Turner jumps out as well. If you're listening, we've got the, we've got the list up. And so, you know, Nolan has gone, Stark's has gone, as Araku has gone, now, Harrison has gone, Connerley has gone, Scorton has gone, Amos is there, Oladajo's gone, Jackson has gone, Parish, Jacob Parrish, the Kansas State Corner is still there, more of a number. Shemar Turner, which I do think Shamar Turner would make a lot of sense. Me too. Tileak Williams is gone. T. T. J. Sanders has

on Marcus Boe, Anthony Belton, Charles Grant, and then you're getting to the day three guys after that, although we should mention Wyatt Milam, who you brought up, Zach, as having been rumored to the Eagles by Tony Pauline. What's your Wyatt Milam scattering, poor friend? Yeah, I thought that he was, honestly, I don't know that he's like a great fit here.

I had Belton off the board to Green Bay, so there's another one bites the dust there. When I look at Wyatt Milam, he was a college tackle who, almost certainly has to move to guard. I think he'd be limited at tackle. But then he moved into guard at the senior ball and he had a rough week. It was a rough go.

His anchor really got tested. It's like the Connerley thing where just like, oh, this guy looks like a guard. It'll just slide him in. Well, if you have problems with your anchor and your strength is an issue and then you get tested by defensive tackles or players with a runway that just have a lot of space to be able to go right through your chest, you better have the ability to kind of drop your weight and hold the pocket firm. and he just doesn't have that right now.

That said, he's really tough, he's smart, he's physical, he's known for his leadership. There's a lot to like there with Milam. I just, I struggled with like the upside there. This would be a little early for me. I think it's 64 personally for me for Milam. But players of this profile, like this is right around where I compared him to Braden Smith, he went late second round. Luke Geddke is another player I wrote down while watching him.

He went late second round to Tampa a few years ago. So this is about the range where I think he probably would go off the board. I just, it would be a little bit too early for me. I mean, as far as upside, the player who's available, I think, has the best chance of being like first round value is Kevin Winston Jr. I know you're saying. Because if he didn't get injured, I think he would be in conversation for the top three. You know, he'd be in the top three cluster among the safety. So that's the profile that would really jump out to me.

And as Tim McMahonis reported, he came in for a visit. That was a late report there. So I would pay attention to Kevin Winston, Jr. Just as far as like the, now I'll defer to you in terms of the scheme fit, but I think he's the first round caliber player who the injury brought him down. Yeah, I think that his athletic upside is a little concerning for me, Winston. I love the physicality. I love the way he plays.

The off field is like nearly peerless. Like everybody raves about the kid. Obviously he has the injury. but he works his way back and runs as well as he did for his private workout this year. So, you know, I like the kid from that way. I just, he's not the athlete that Starks is on film. He's not the athlete that Eman Warrie is on film. And so I wonder with the injury, does that take the guy that probably would have gone

in second round and bump him to the third round? Or our team's, like, confident, you know what, he's going to be healthy. He's still going to go in the second round. He was awesome last year. Like, not this bad. he got two seasons ago. Yeah, he was awesome. What I wonder is,

how do you guys feel about overvaluing need here versus, you know, best player available, right? Like if they go guard, if they go Tate Ratledge and like this guy's just going to be our week one starting guard, or if they take a safety, those two positions would, would scream to me,

okay, they're trying to fill out this roster and maybe overvaluing need a little bit. Maybe not. Maybe that's just how the board is versus almost any other position. you could tell me is just that's their best player on the board. Now, would you go best player or best upside? That's, I mean, whatever your board is. Okay, but I just mean like Chavon Ravel might not be, you know,

ready this year to be the contributor you want, but if you're saying three, four years from now, he might be the best player or among the best players from this round. I would like him. If they took Revel, that would be really exciting. That would be an awesome secondary. he's a little bit older he's older than kely wringo

he's older than kelly ringo who is by the way younger than quinion Mitchell yeah so two years in a row they draft a corner in the top two rounds who's older than keeleringo that would be interesting but I mean you it's the you want to see him dominate at a smaller level he was dominating yeah

chargers take a receiver they take tray Harris the wide receiver of Ole Miss Jackson darts primary his numbers like interesting he's gonna break he breaks he breaks like all the model. So in terms of like final, he was averaging his like yards per route run to, because he got

hurt, hurt, what was it, an ankle or something towards the end of the season. So he missed a bunch time down the stretch. Five point one two yards per route run. That shatters the high, the, it's like you can't even take it seriously. Yeah. Insane. So I was, I kind of like Jordan Watkins. So you didn't do the other old Miss Wider. Yeah. And he, I get a late day three guy. And he, his workout at the combine, like Like his not the athleticism, but like the position workout. I was like, whoa, like this guy looks. I just didn't get to him. He was awesome.

The position workout. Yeah, I kind of liked him. So I was doing my morning reading this, this morning, and there was a connection here that would make Fran proud. Okay. The Giants reporters asked Jackson Dart if Trey Harris, his college-wide receiver, told him anything about Malik neighbors, Trey Harris's high school teammate. So this would require, Jackson DART.

Jackson Dart to get drafted and to reach out to Tray Harris to find out about Malik neighbors within that time frame. Not only was he his teammate. Yeah, he was his quarterback. He was his quarterback. That's a good connection. Yeah, Trey Harris was a high school quarterback. Oh, that's fun. Yeah, he was the court.

That's part of the reason why people like the profile, too, even though he's a little bit older, is that he was a quarterback all through high school. He actually didn't, I was listening to, I was listening to, I was listening to Dane over on the athletic football. And he was saying, like, he actually, like, didn't like love, love football. The coaches had to, like, get him out and we're like, yeah, we're just going to put you a quarterback. You know, they put him a quarterback and neighbors was the one who kind of like said, like, I need you. Like, you're our best quarterback.

Like, stay with me. And I ended up getting a college scholarship and turned a receiver at Louisiana. At first, Louisiana Tech was there until 2022, then transferred to Ole Miss. Nice job by the Boys and Girls Club of Green Bay, announcing that Green Bay Packers pick of Anthony Belton. I'm going to jump off to hop on with PHNX and then CHGO quickly. And I'll be back before we pick. Sounds good. There you go.

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three trade-up candidates, and that was Nick Aminwari, Donovan Ezraku, and Mason Taylor. And then the stick at number 64 picks, I put Nick Scorton, T.J. Sanders, and Ariante Ursulae. Now, in the other receiving votes there, I put Shamar Turner, Xavier Watts, J-2a-Molo, and Elijah Arroyo. The one guy sticking out from the visit perspective would be Trey Amos. and what did you think of Trey Amos in your work? I didn't love him. I mean, there are some nice highlights, but the profile itself, you know,

it took him a while to get on the field. You know, he transfers into Alabama, has to transfer out of Alabama and has that good year, but he's a little bit older. I would not love that at 64. And I think to the conversation we had yesterday about Corner, like when we were talking about, you know, Will Johnson or something, it's like, okay, this is too good to pass up.

Sure. I don't know that I feel like Trey Amos is too good to pass up. Agreed. Agreed with you there. I mean, I think the chalk pick, like the pick, if you're connecting positional priority,

value on the board, top 30 visit would be Shammar Turner. Shemar Turner's the one who's like, all right, he, you know, they, we know they prioritize defensive line. They can continue using defensive line depth. This is the range that Shemar Turner's expected to go, like mid,

You know, probably late second to third. So 64 is in that range. He visited here. But I don't think, and in the chat, tell me if I'm wrong, I don't think Shamar Turner would cause like a lot of excitement in Philly if that's the pick. I agree. But that's okay. It's a defensive tackle.

Yeah, that's true. You know, it's hard to get super excited about that from a normie perspective. But I think that's okay. I guess, I mean, I guess the Mike Green thing looms. Mike Green thing does. But it's also like if he's on the board by now and the rest of the league has decided that he's not worth drafting,

how would that change your opinion? Yeah, you're right. I mean, teams that we talked about, whether it was Cincinnati. Now we'll see. Detroit was a team that I thought was a potential Mike Green destination. They're up next year.

But there's, yeah, I mean, that's the league speaking as well. Oh, man. The CHGO guys are not going to be happy with Fran because they're drafting Boston colleges is Ozzie Tripilo, the big offensive tackle who is Franz basically doesn't deserve to live category. Yeah, I hates the guy. I like Ozzie Tripolo more than Fran does.

Yeah, impossible to like him less. Yeah, son of Steve. He's his tackle 16. Yeah, son of Steve. Good, you know, I like Boston College more than Fran did this year. Maybe he, it's the residual Steve Adasio. You know, he just, he associates the program with Adazio. But, yeah, I mean, I, I think.

I think this is a solid pick for the Bears. I had a Nate Soulder comp for him. That's the player that I thought he reminded me of. So I don't mind this, but Fran certainly grinded this more than I did. Josina Anderson says the lions are trading up for Tate Rutledge, so take him off the board. So there you go. So basically all the offensive linemen off the board for the Eagles,

unless you love Jared Wilson, who was the Georgia safety and you want to move him over to guard, or you're like Charles Grant or something like that, but I don't think they're going to go offensive line here now. As unsexy as it is, do you see a tradeback? Do you see like there's, it's a muddled board here? I wouldn't want to go back too far. Okay.

But I could be convinced on a small tradeback. Amos, I like Azarié Thomas, but again, this is, you know, do you really need to go corner? And then I do like Chavon Revel. Shamar Turner to me would be the most likely of these guys, I guess. But do you think that the Jihad Campbell selection changes, do we need an edge or not? No, I do not think so. Do you think they'd be willing to double down there?

Yes. Because I love Landon Jackson. Yeah, and Landon Jackson is a unique player. Landon Jackson would make a lot of sense to me. So I don't think it should affect you. I think that first off, Campbell is just a unique, player. And I think edge rushers one of those spots, and we've seen it time and time again, where you can use your depth, right? You can use four guys. And I don't know what that depth

chart's going to look like two, three years from now. As we said, I don't know if Huff's going to be on the roster. Ojo Lari's going to be on the roster and Uche is going to be on the roster and Uchay is going to be on the roster beyond this season. So there's three guys who, you know, so then you're, you're basically just looking at J.O.X. Nolan Smith. And if Campbell is an edge Rush, I mean, Landon Jackson fits in well there. Also, Landon Jackson is a different type of player. So Landon Jackson would be a very sensible pick

to me. And then you mentioned Winston, I do think Xavier Watts from Notre Dame would make some sense. Who I really like, I really like the player. He doesn't have the athletic upside of some of the other safeties. And sometimes that position you're looking at athletic upside, but man, Xavier Watts, to me, is like

plug and play. He's a good safety. He's a, he's a good safety. knows how he's so smart out there, knows for the ball, he's plug and play. It's interesting because,

you know, I was pounding the Eagles would like to go offense in this draft drum, but the board is such that, like, there's just not a lot of chances to go offense right now because the offensive line has been totally depleted. They could go Harold Fanon. He could.

You know, you know, this could be Cuzz calling the shot and they go Fanon here at the end of round two. But other than that, you know, what are they going to do? Are they going to draft Kyle Williams? I don't think so.

So it certainly seems like it's fanning or defense. Yeah. I mean, because the offensive line candidates, I do think it's really for Charles Grant. Now, Marcus Bow, this is kind of potentially in Marcus Boe territory. But no, from I don't see like a running back or a wide receiver that they would take.

So yeah, certainly defense is what jumps out. Getting down to it. nitty-gritty. In real time, we're, what, six picks away? His Detroit's pick is in and the Raiders are on the clock? Oh, you have it. Jack Betch. Oh, you talked about with Coach Flynn on Monday's show.

Yeah, nice hearing, Coach Lynn's perspective on him. A bit of a high floor, low-ceiling player. Yeah, that's the word on him. But, I mean, a very emotional senior bowl week and had that game-winning touchdown. but there's a lot of Jack Bush fans out there. Yeah, I mean, this is the, we've talked about it before, but I mean, I am a sucker for every one of these phone call videos.

Give me the, you know, give me the emotion of the player living their lifelong dream. I mean, what's better than that? That's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. Did you see the Q&A, the Eagles website had with Howie? No. Oh, okay. You've been pretty busy.

A few things have happened this week. Okay, yeah. Yeah. Man, I'm never going to live that one. Yeah. Congratulations, Bo. So users submitted questions, and, you know, one of them was his favorite phone call

that he had at the draft weekend over his career. Yeah. Oh, should I, can I guess? You can probably guess. Is it a Trotter? Yes, it was Trotter. He said the Trotter one's hard to beat. Okay.

Now, I found the Trotter. Trouter one, because I've watched that a few times, actually, during the past few months, or past month, past seven weeks in particular, I found the Lurie part was particularly emotional. I didn't find the Howie part, especially emotional. Interesting. But maybe they didn't show the full Howley part. Yeah. Yeah.

And maybe it's more just the overall sentiment. The sentiment behind it is more than the actual call for him. But that's good. And then one day we'll get yours with Reed. Yeah. He's confident. He is. He's confident. He asked me to pledge to, or he said, well, you move wherever I get drafted. And I said, yeah, if you get drafted, I will move there. I said, that's a, that's, you know, this is the only, this is this the only way you'd be willing to leave Philadelphia.

Yes, yes. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I, I think it's a fine bet to hedge on, on that one, but it's awesome. Reed, I believe in you. He, he loves it. Give me this one. Is this, is this, is this right? I want the solo shot. Reed, I believe in you. You can do it. Okay, that's all. All right. So this is going to be Rutledge here.

Did you get the play by play of the interception? I called him on the way over here. And he, yeah, he went through it with me. He didn't have as much as I don't have the full detail. He was just, it was his first interception of the other year. He's excited. He's eager to see the standing. He was playing off and he broke on it.

He read the route. Was it a jump ball? Oh, he didn't give me that. I'll get more on that tomorrow. Then he's eager to see the standings because next week's the playoffs. And next week, I committed, yeah, I committed to something. I mean, when have you not committed to something? Oh, my God.

I mean, look, it's a very, in Doyle's town next week, there's a great event. It's a number of art. It's like a beer crawl, bar crawl, where you meet different, you know, where the authors are there. Beer, crawl, bar crawl, bar crawl, bar. Bar crawl for authors. Like, now, I'm not the one drinking, but people are, and they're going from, like, bar to bar meeting authors.

They close down the streets and Doylestown. Your crawl, bar, I cannot say it. It's a great event. But when I committed to it, I did not know it was going to be my son's championship weekend. And so, yeah, that one's tough. Breaking news here from David Rickle. Oh, my great father-in-law.

He'll move as well. if Reed gets drafted. That's really nice. That is really nice. Yeah, that is awesome. Amen. Who's off the board? Wow.

Oh, Baltimore drafts Mike Green from Marshall. And I think a lot of people sort of, you. I had a joke. I had a statement there that I probably shouldn't say. But it's an organization that's had. Situations with violence against women. Well, yeah, that's true. Yeah, again, I don't know the full Micahrain story.

Yeah. Of course. So don't want to conflate one with the other. But Mike Rane to the Raven, so yeah, the Eagles don't need to make that call. Okay. So we're four picks away, five picks away. Denver, Washington, Chicago, Kansas City, Philadelphia. I'm going to give you five names.

Landon Jackson. Shamar Turner, Trey Amos, Xavier Watts, Harold Fannan Jr. And Kevin Winston Jr., so six names. So if I'm being predictive, I would say Shamar Turner.

Okay. The player that I think would be the best year one in that group is Xavier Watts. The Landon Jackson is the pick that I think would make the most sense from an organizational philosophy. Kevin Winston's the one there who I think has the best chance of surpassing the value of the pick. Okay.

If I were in Howie's position, I would probably take Landon Jackson in that spot. I like loading up on edge rushers. If we're thinking about just them sticking to their SEC guns. Yes. Right? Landon Jackson makes a lot of sense. I guess, I mean, Shamar Turner is in the SEC too.

Xavier Watts, you can say, you know, we're going back to the national championship. Sure. team game. Trey Amos to me is, is I would... I'm not as in a... I'm not as into that. I didn't understand the visit as as much.

I just think I think Landon Jackson's a unique player. Tested really well at 6-6-264. We all saw that 40 and a half inch vertical. And then you see like really productive, you know, transfer from from LSU had six and a half sacks each in the past two years. You know, his first team all ICC two years ago, second team all SEC last year. It plays on special teams. You know, he's been blocking field goals.

You've seen those highlights. So to me, Landon Jackson would make a lot of sense here. Yeah, I'll contextualize some of those numbers for you. You know, I've got my sample of all the elite edge rushers over the past decade plus and some of those testing numbers. The 40 and a half inch vert is the second best in the entire sample tied with Mary Mario Williams and Connor Barwin,

interestingly. So there you go. There's the Connor Barwin cop coming in. Yeah, I mean, six and a half sacks. That's not bad. You know, the 129 inch broad jump shows the explosion as well. Fran loved the way he ran the hoop. I am in Atlanta, Jackson.

I don't know if that's the way they're going to go. I mean, and also, if they draft Landon Jackson, does that all of a sudden push Jahad Campbell back to to a lot of back? But no, but if you do care about type, he's like a total different type of player. Sure. And, you know, he's not your speed rusher around the edge, you know. Yeah, he's setting the edge for you.

Exactly. You can use them in different spots along that line. So he's a different type of player than Campbell. This is interesting. I'm surprised that the Eagles did not move up. I really am. And I... Especially given the way this has played out because it has really thinned out as far as I'm concerned.

I haven't followed the trade comps so much. Were there deals there that were comparable to what the Eagles had? It didn't seem like they were crazy. I mean, I suppose it would have meant giving up their third, depending on how high up you were going. Oh, you got this bad boy back. I heard you describing the Fran, the water bottle. Yeah, it's enormous.

I can't believe you got another one. How many did you get? Well, they had a deal by two. So, of course, that's why I did it. You get 100 ounces for $4? Yeah. Yeah. Somebody, I don't know.

At least my hands looked really small with it. No, no, no, not that. Somebody noticed that you were drinking from this. You took one sip from it. But then when you were back on from Novakar Complex, you had a different water bottle. And they wanted to know if you drank the entire thing as you were driving. Oh, no, it's a fair question.

Let me flip this around. Is it a fair question? I had a... Careful with that thing. I had a bottle water in my... cup holder like a small bottle that's not fitting

in any cup holder and so I ran into NovaCare like I sprinted in and I just picked up the water that was that was there but I appreciate how

how Eagle died of the P.H.O.I. Eagles viewers are. I need water. Look at this thing. Is that going to be you're holding that in the same way

that I don't want to spill on my laptop. I mean I have 50.7 ounces of water right here. If I spilled on my laptop this thing is finished Donzo, right?

Oh my God. You start a monsoon. I mean, I try to drink. I try to drink 100 ounces of water a day. I'm way behind right now. That thing is something else. It's a normal ball. I'm finding a new slant.

Yeah, find a new slant. All right. Denver on the clock. The Eagles are coming up here. Washington, then Chiquot. Interesting. What is this? everyone want. Let us know in the chat.

Who do you want? I see some love for Lennon Jackson. I see some love for Shemar Turner. I see some love for Chavon Revell. Who do you want? How's your mock draft? My mock draft's not looking too good. My Eagles won? Yeah. I had him going Lennon Jackson

in the second round. Okay. So that's still in play for you. I had them going Nick Scorton. So that's out of the blue, so or out of the out of the realm of possibilities right now. People want some tradeouts. People want Xavier Watts. Killicay wants Christopher Hewitt.

Now, let me ask you this here. What if the news is, just spitball in here, because Mike Green goes to the Ravens, what if the Eagles trade the second round pick for Adolfi O'way? Would you say that's a good move? Or is that too high a price because you have to give the contract? Yeah, I don't think I'd like that. Okay.

And it also doesn't really match with, like, we're getting rid of guys because we can't pay him. We're going to trade a second round pick for a guy who's from somewhere else and we're going to pay him. Fair. Which running back? Rockos are drafting R.J. Harvey. They're running back from UCF in the second round. Seems a little early. Wild pick.

Seems a little early for me. There's some fun moves on RJ Harvey's tape. Yeah. But given everybody else that's a wild pick. Yeah. I compared him to Devin Singletary. So that was the player that he reminded me of. Interesting.

What about Shador Sanders for Howie Roseman? You know, I got a text from somebody during the draft, not someone in the media asking me. I'm going to guess Mike Kay. No. No. Someone in the Philly media. Adam Schaefter.

No, Shepty. Shepty, he's your DMs, not text. Okay. John Clark, let's make another four from the mentions today. No, but this is someone, this is someone who loves hypotheticals and would ask me,

and he asked me if, hypothetically if Shador's on the board. And what I said is I actually, I think that Laurie would sign off on it. I don't think Shador is Howie or Lori's type of quarterback. He's not especially mobile. And so I mean,

Jim Milrow. Neither is Tender McKee. True, but that was like, late, you know, I think Jailen Milro would be someone that they'd be more interested in based on type than Shador Sanders. Shador Sanders is, is not, he's not a very athletic quarterback. The Eagles tend to kind of veer toward more toward quarterbacks who, as Jeffrey Lurie said, I have a triple-opper, I'm sorry, triple threat players.

That's the term he's used multiple times. The arm, the mind. Yeah. And so I think, I think Jail Milrow would be. more the type of quarterback that they would go with if they were to reignite that quarterback factory in the second round than Shador Sanders. But you would think that if Shador Sanders has this type of value, someone would want to trade in.

Now, I think the thing that really hurt Shador Sanders, frankly, was that Cleveland Brown's trade. Because I think if Cleveland took Travis Hunter number two and they don't have that extra first round pick next year, maybe they take Shador in the second round. but once they make that trade and they have that draft inventory for next year, it really seems like they push quarterback back to next season. Interesting. Well, RJ Harvey was good news for the Eagles

because there's no way he was going to be there. He was not going to go there, yeah. Okay. Let me just look for some other. I mean, I see somebody mentioned Darius Alexander from Toledo, the defensive tackle. He's an old. He's a very old, 25 years old.

I just can't get behind that in the second round. I just want to bring up one thing here, and that is we are going with Fran's rankings, you know, Dane's rankings, right? That it's pretty clear the board might be different in the building. The Eagles might have a second round grade on Harold Fannin Jr. That's not a reach fan. I don't think that's crazy. Yeah.

Like, it's not a reach for that. Like we've seen Terrence Ferguson go, obviously. And so if they had him in that cluster, it's not crazy to think that Harold Fennon Jr. would be the 64th pick. Like our valuation, or I should say Fran's valuation of him might be a little different than what the Eagles is.

So Fran has him. Harold Fannan Jr. doesn't turn 21 until July 20th. You know, I'm interested. So Fran Haddam has his 80th ranked player. So you'd be looking at your 80th rank player 64. That's certainly not crazy. And I think if it is, if it is,

if it is the case that he's someone that they really liked, I don't think, you know, I don't think he's falling to day three at this point. So Harold Fennon Jr. could be an interesting option at 64. All right.

We don't have Washington's pick yet, right? Oh, Chris is all over it. Washington. Oh, okay, so they take that off. Not Benjamin Morrison. Oh, no, Benjamin Morrison's already off the board. Yep. Trey Amos, the Ole Miss Corner,

and the last player other than Shemar Turner in this range who was in for a pre-draft visit with the Eagles is off the board. So now the Eagles are two picks away. Sorry, three picks away. Chicago, Kansas City, and then the Eagles. So just to kind of give perspective on this, Trey Turner, I'm sorry, not Trey Turner, Shamar Turner, rather, is Franz.

I should have had this up here. Do you have that up? I can find it. Here, I got it right here, actually. He's his number 60 player. He's number 60 player. So that's good value. He is Dane Bruegler's 56th player.

So if you're talking about 64th overall pick, you're talking about defensive tackle, a position that is a priority for the Eagles, always, and someone who visited the Eagles, I think from a value perspective, Shamar Turner would be the play here. For the record on Fran's big board, there are two players in his top 25

still available. That is number 14, Chavon Revell, the East Carolina Corner, and Jonas Sanker, the Virginia safety with Xavier Watts, two spots behind a 26,

the Notre Dame safety. Lina Jackson's 29. Kevin Winston Jr. is 31. So what threw me off is I have our Eagles 100 board up as opposed to France. classic mistake. Yeah, so I was like, we've all been there.

I was like, Lana Jackson's the 14th ranked player, but that's the Eagles 100 board, which shout out to Bo. It's been an awesome resource throughout the pre-draft process. Bo put that together. Bo, Bo, Bo, Bo.

I mean, basically just aping friends work on that and just reordering it, but you're welcome. All right. R.J. Harvey, what a wild pick for them. So the Eagles are three picks away, Chicago, KC, then Philly. And again,

I should make another trade with the chiefs up one spot again. Just to get rid of those fifths. Yeah, Brett Veach keeps adding to it. How are you doing like energy sleepwise, how your eyes doing? Right now, I have energy right now. I'm really hungry. I didn't eat dinner. That's a classic mistake.

Yeah, I know. I got here right before because I came straight from NovaCare. And so I got here right. Then I said hello to Marcus Allen. Did he remember me from the Super Bowl? No, I didn't remember me home in the Super Bowl. But that turned into, you know, that was like a nine-minute conversation. Then I came to the set.

So I took Reed and Sloan. They had conferences today, so they weren't home or they were home for school. So I took them out to lunch at 1130 today. So I haven't eaten since 1130. So I am. Maybe after the Eagles make their pick. Yeah, I might, yeah. You should go get some food.

Yeah. So that's, but energy-wise, I was. I was worried. I wasn't going to have it, but there's something about the bright light and being here on set with you. And, you know, we, well, Brennan's doing the show with Fran over there,

but obviously having Julia and Chris in here, that gets me energized. All right. Closing in. Closing time. We can flash up a couple super chats to pass the time here. Get those.

likes in people. Let's get to 600 by the time the Eagles pick and Zach will write an epic poem. Dinkleberg, our friend, says thanks for the wicked good draft show, my fine gents, for you and us a haiku.

The tush push is cool. Mark Murphy is a baby. His diaper is full. That's pretty good. I like that. Alex Nuss says, congrats, Bo. Adding a new youngest member of your family reminds me of how Ringo is younger than Quinnian Mitchell, despite being drafted a year before.

Amen to that. Go ahead. Real quick here, and definitely congrats to Bo. The Bears are choosing Shamar Turner with a 60-second overall pick. So, Shamar Turner off the board here. Wow. Yeah, so I think Landon. The board dwindling.

Landon Jackson, Xavier Watts, Kevin Winston, and Harold Fanon would be the four that I would think would make the most sense for the Eagles. Why do you think Landon Jackson hasn't been picked yet? That would be one thing that I would be thinking about just because it, you know, it is a good profile. It is a good profile. So I did do work. You said Fanon, Jackson, Watson, Winston?

Yes. Okay. I did some work on the edge rushers, just like asking people's opinions. And he wasn't thought to be like a really potent pass rusher, right? It was more like he's your utilitarian defensive line with a good athletic profile, but maybe doesn't project as like a double-digit sack guy. Whereas, look, I mean, James Pierce, you know,

It might be a problem that Terry Fontenett and me have the same taste. You know, I mean, Kyle Pitts. Now, James Pierce, he trades so much for James Pierce, Jr. But someone like that, you say, all right, you can see the pathway that the double-digit sacks. Landon Jackson isn't necessarily viewed as that type of player. Okay. Michael Wall with a pair of super chats and says, congrats, Bo. Thank you very much.

How many shotguns do I need to do for Z-Burm to show some skin? I heard you guys talk about this in my drive home last night. I don't know why there's such an urge to see. I'm not showing skin. Sex cells, man. Yeah, that's not sexy. That's, that's, uh, that's, uh, this is me. Yeah.

So, no, I'm not, I am not showing skin. No, you're showing a little bit of a, a little bit of a chest hair right now, a little bit of a chest. Okay. You go deep V sometimes? I don't, I don't go deep V. When I go is the button down, maybe like, uh, you know, an extra button. but I don't own a deep V. I promise you that.

I don't own a V-neck shirt of any kind. Not a deep V-neck shirt, a standard V-neck shirt. Okay, there's a difference. There's difference, yeah. I don't want to do it. I'm not going all the way. I'm not going belly button deep V.

No, it's the shape of the V is different. Let's clip that one. Why did you walk me down that rabbit hole, though? A lot of quotes to come. All right, let's focus on the picture. content this weekend. It's the shape of the V that's different will be one that lasts the test of time. I am just trying to do a show about the Eagles and football. That's all I'm trying to do. Kansas City Chiefs, the Super Bowl losers are on the clock. One pick ahead

of the Eagles. I'm going to get my phone out here. Yeah, do it. Let's get some, let's get some. I felt like my breaking of it was, uh, was anticlimatic yesterday and you did have it. I did have it, but it was anticlimatic. If you get it, you shout that out. You don't, Don't worry about interrupting. Okay. Do you want me to do the pick is in? If you have it, yeah. Okay, we're getting close here.

All right. Here we go. What are the Eagles going to do? Xavier Watts, Jonas Sanker, Kevin Winston Jr., Chavon Revell, Azarié Thomas, Jacob Parrish who they brought in for a visit. Joshua Farmer? Landon Jackson,

Jared Wilson, Charles Grant, Marcus Bow, Kyle Williams. if you want to get spicy. Shador Sanders, if you want to get freaky, Jalen Milrow, if you want to get nasty. Lots of options.

What would you do? You said Lennon Jackson would be... Yeah, Lennon Jackson, Kevin Winston, would be the two that... I think there's... You know, Landon Jackson, because I do prioritize position,

I think Kevin Winston has the most upside here. It wouldn't surprise me if this pick is Harold Fannin Jr. if, you know, because I do think there's a delta in, in tight ends. And I'm right. Yeah, the rest of the drop off to the other tight ends. Exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And you never want to overvalue a need. No. But if they are, I mean, you're talking Mitch 11th, like a fourth round pick. But there is a chance that they have a high grade on him too.

For sure. A higher grade than, yeah. And that was the case, by the way, a few years ago with Jurgens where, you know, I think the Eagles view Jurgens differently than. Maybe consensus did. Sure. I like the, I mean, I could be sold on Harold Finan Jr. Now, you're also, you're tanking the Goddard trade value, but, you know, maybe that's

something that they've just accepted. Yeah, I think the league knows there. We're thinking, guys. Fran Duffy has joined us, Fran. Eagles are about to be on the clock. The chiefs have not yet picked. No, they took Omar Norman Lott. Your boy!

They took Norman. They took Norman lot. Wow. And we got to 600 likes. Oh, beautiful. Nice job, Chad. So Eagles are on the cross. clock.

Eagles are on the clock. Here we go. Landon Jackson. Landon Jackson. Who else are we thinking here? Harold Fanon Jr. Xavier Watts. Kevin Winston Jr.

All there. Your boy, Chavon Revel, that would make you excited. Yeah, that would be fun. There are a lot of players here that that, are there?

I wonder if there's a trade down. I mean, yeah. I could see a small trade down here. A cluster of players. There's a cluster. Yeah. I'm going to let you guys catch up here.

Omar, Norman, Yeah, Norman Lott. And he's a, that's a good fit for them. That one makes a lot of sense. Is he enough of a bad guy off the field for them? Maybe. Wow. If they were going to go offensive line,

would you say, would you expect Charles Grant, Gerald Wilson, or Marcus Bo? Grant first, then Bo, then Wilson. Okay. Just what Wilson, I don't know. Just because of the size.

Yeah, it's a real projection for him to get to guard. Yes. I don't think you want to put him next to Juergens. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly,

that's kind of how I feel about Bow as well. Okay. Xavier Watts, Kevin Winston Jr. I think the safeties feel right, right? Well, what we were saying is there's a real chance that their grade on Fandon might be different than your grade. or, you know,

but it's not even that different. I mean, it's, yeah, it's marginally different from, from where Fran has. But that if, if he's the tight end,

they had circled, right, then, sure, like this isn't unreasonable. The tension, the tension, attention,

it is, it is, intriguing, could it be Willie Lamkin? I don't think it's going to be that. What will you, can you, can you commit to doing something

if they draft Willie Lambeckin? At any point? Yeah, at any point, I'll do something. Yeah, well, we'll all do something.

Whatever you want me to do. All right. 60 seconds left on the clock for them. Wow. Maybe they're hoping for a tradeback. Yeah, otherwise. This is dwindling down. Time keeps on ticking.

Ticking. Pick is in. There we go. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-Z berm. It's Andrew. Maccuba. Macuba. Andrew McCuba.

Andrew McCuba. Andrew McCuba. The Eagles are taking Andrew Macuba. Safety. from Texas. Zach Berman breaks it. The Eagles are going after a safety. And I'll tell you what, we did that safety show, and Sean Syed,

who's majoring in Vic Fangio, says this is the guy who he thinks would fit the Fangio system. 22 years old, Andrew Mukuba, 511, 186 played for three years at Clemson. This is a four-year starter. And then he transferred to Texas for his last year. ran a 4-4-5, 40-yard dash. And as we talked about him, Fran, reminded me a little bit of Sidney Brown, the way that he sort of runs downhill

and, like, picks a direction and just goes without thinking about it. It's kind of an interesting fit here. Well, that play style, like where he just comes down with reckless abandon, is Sidney Brown-esque? He is a more fluid and confident, like athlete laterally. Like, Sidney Brown is a straight line, you know, like rolling ball or razor blades type of asses. athlete, McCuba, more confident in space and a better feel in zone coverage in my eyes.

Ironically, I'm looking because he was, he stood out to me as a true freshman. And what I usually will do is, okay, when, when I first get eyes on guy, how did I first, how did he first come on my radar? Well, I was watching tape in December of 2021. And I was watching Clemson Corner Mario Goodrich when I was like, man, this freshman safety is really standing out. And it was McCuba. And where he stood out was that.

F Faraasi, that ability to be that top-down defender and run the alley and finish one-on-one. He has some outstanding tackles, some big hits in the hole. There's a lot to like there. But the other aspect of it, and this is to me what separates him from a Sydney Brown, is that there is no panic downfield with the ball in the air. When you watch that college football playoff game, Ohio State, early on in that game, they went to the star receiver, Jeremiah Smith, and they said, yeah, we're going to try and take a deep shot over the top to Jeremiah Smith.

McCuba's there in coverage, no panic and forces the incompletion. The production wasn't always there in terms of like interceptions. He had one interception in three years at Clemson. He had five this year for Texas. So obviously that certainly helped. But I love the physicality. I love the instincts. I love the lack of panic.

And I love the physicality. And yet, the question here will be, you know, they're taking their pick at safety, but there are other safeties available here. And they're sort of leapfrogging, leapfrogging the consensus, which would have been Xavier Watts from Notre Dame, who's a little bit older. but is thought of as a little bit more pro-ready.

Kevin Winston Jr., who you talked about, Zach, from Penn State. He was younger and is more of a long-term bet. Then you've got Jonas Sanker from Virginia, who you like a lot, Fran, and was your safety three, whereas Mukuba is your safety seven, but it's sort of your splitting hairs a little bit? I think so. I mean, I did have a couple of those other guys, like a tier above.

I did give a starting grade to Makuba. So it's not that I didn't feel like he was a starter. I did have higher grades on some of these other players. I thought Sanker was a little bit more well-rounded. Xavier Watts, I thought, just had a better propensity to take the football away. So, yeah, to me, I think that... Interesting pick. Yeah.

This is a... We really wanted to draft a safety pick, and this is the guy we liked. I think this is... I think that's what it comes out of. This is the player that I'm sure that Vic Fangio felt the most convicted about. I mean, this is like, Vic's draft. Yeah, this is... The Zach Bond thing and how he's like, all right, Vic, you got it.

it. I'm done. Yeah, so this is a player that I liked, but I do think it's earlier than I thought. I thought he was going to go fourth, you know. Yeah, you had him with like the fifth round. I had him in the fifth round. I thought he was going to be an early day three guy. Yeah. I thought fourth round.

So late second is early from my perspective, but I thought he makes a lot of sense here. I did like, I'll admit it. I liked Winston more. I liked Watson more. I like Watsmore, among the safety. I like Sancarmore, too. Yeah. I like Bacuba more than than J-Wen Reed, but I could see the fit here, similar to Fran.

He was awesome when he was a freshman on Clemson, but he didn't necessarily have the same type of production those next two years. Really look good in Texas's defense this past year. I like what Bo said was in terms of like, you can see the Sydney Brown in him, and like he flies to the football, flies to the football, but not a big guy. and so yeah here's Bo Allen we get to take a little bit of a second

to watch Bo Allen announced the pick looking very sharp I was going to say I was filled with the outfit in that green outfit nice now it is Moo Cuba Mu Cuba

you put the emphasis on the coup but it's a moo not a mu mu mu mucoba now Zach a big important question here given some of the content

this week will you take credit for this projection no I mean I can't know you had him in the fifth yeah I'm in the fifth so no I can't I'm getting crap right now for me J. Smith who was

EJ was all over me for my mock draft and no I mean I can say like I think I had him in I have him in the duck duck juice I think you did yeah I had him in the duck juice well then you definitely get credit for so the only thing I get credit for I'm not trying I'm not trying to get Tommy John surgery

from patting myself on the back right Like, the only... Chris Barreto, front and center in that shot on the NFL network. The only thing that I could get credit for is like connecting the interest to the team. I can't get credit for the mock draft there. You actually did not have him. Oh, no, who had him? Hold on.

Okay. Oh, it's a win for me. I have him. Let's go. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I thought he was someone who would make sense for the Eagles. But, yeah, I mean, the three-picks spread there. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty egregious.

That's, yeah, three picks right there's pretty egregious, especially when it's, you know, so it's like, I, I thought like this, Frank, if they took jail and Travis in the, in the fifth round and Fran had them in the third round. Right. But I think it's easy. I think you get more credit sometimes for over predicting than under predicting, right? Because if, if that makes sense. I think you would. Like if you're too early, you should get more credit than if you're too late. Yeah. If you're too late.

Yeah. Yeah. So, no, I can't claim credit for that one. It's okay. I mean, you mentioned his name. That's good. All you know a draft is going to be in some dire straits. Yeah, we're not looking good.

I know. But yeah, so I think that I think he's a good player. And I saw in the chat and he said, you know, what are the chances he's starting week one? I think he's absolutely in that competition. Yeah. With Sidney Brown. And I think he could beat Cindy Brown. Yeah.

Like I think he could beat Sydney Brown now. Put your turkeys on it right now. Exactly. Starting next to read Blankenship week one. Spread your turkeys. Uh, going 55 Sydney Brown, 45 McCuba. I'm going to 85 McCuba. Okay.

Yeah, second round pick. He should. Number 64 overall pick. Now, Sydney Brown was high third, but. But not by Vic. Not by Vic. That's true. This is the guy.

Tristan McColl would be starting ahead of Sydney Brown. Yeah. But, like, if you just take, if you take what I think what the value was and you just look at the player, there's a lot to like here. I mean, I would like if he was a little bit bigger. but sure and there's a reason you know and it is also we're talking about it as a second round

pick it is the last pick of the second round right so you're thinking this is essentially a third round player but there were safeties on the board so he is that's what's he's the third safety taken in this draft is that right yes and that's and that's you know that's what he will be judged against it's not necessarily the value of the pick it's

relative to the other safeties here he has to outperform Xavier Watts and Jonas Sanker and Kevin Winston Jr. We got a super chat asking about could he play in the slot? He actually did spend a fair amount of time in the slot over the course of his career. That said, I don't think that's his landing spot. You know, I think that he's better slot corner than Sidney Brown,

but I don't think, number one, I think Cooper Jean has that unlock. Right. But number two, you know, I think that he's better playing that deep, deep part of the field and just kind of let him be that center fielder that way. All right, that's the end of the second round, which means it's time for the round. Round recap presented by Parks Casino and the Eagles addressing their safety need after trading away. C.J. Gardner Johnson this offseason certainly looks like Andrew Mukuba will be the leader in the clubhouse to start alongside Reed Blankenship at safety with Sidney Brown competing.

The Eagles going a bit aggressive relative to the rest of the consensus safety boards going with Andrew Mukuba over Xavier Watts, Kevin Winston Jr. and Jonas Sanker. other big news in the second round, Fran, a lot of old guys being drafted. I was just a round too late for my bold prediction in terms of all the old guys going. Still waiting for Iowa State Corner, Darian Porter, to go off the board. But no, a bunch of old guys went this class.

Tyler Shuck to the New Orleans Saints will be their week one start, you would imagine. It would have been in my mock draft. Had I done a round two mock, it would have been Tyler or Tyler Shuck at 40 to the Saints. I think that connection had been made publicly and private. behind the scenes. Yeah, and I think if we're doing the round recap

from like a national perspective, I think the big story is the Shador Sanders. Yeah, falls out around too. Yeah. And used to fall. A little quick spin around the NFC East in the second round. Zach, the Dallas Cowboys,

taking your boy Donovan Ezoraku adding to Tyler Booker, which is what they did in the first round. Yeah, love the pick. I mean, I thought he was, yeah, I thought going into today, he was the second best player available. After, I've worked on it in the car right here.

The South Carolina safety. Menoirie. Yes, yes. I struggle with the vows. I struggle with the vows. I need some more constants in the name. Yes.

We'll get back to his family about it. We got to change the name. I'm sure with the vows. Elsewhere, Washington, Fran, backing up Josh Connerly in the first round with Trey Amos, the Ole Miss corner in the second round.

Yeah, really good pick. Honestly, if they had taken him at 30, wouldn't have blinked an eye. I thought that was a good fit for Washington. You talk about a guy that can play up in press, can play man can play zone there were questions about the speed but uh it goes to the combine runs in the low four fours i like that fit for dan quinn and washington um and then the giants didn't have a second round pick because they traded in for jackson dart although we will get to it in the

third round they continued to play out the string of a franchise that is absolutely taking on water uh harold fan and junior off the board interesting okay so the cleveland browns any any final thoughts on the second round before we get to uh before we get to all of that stuff No. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I don't. That's the round recap presented by Parks Casino. Yeah, so my quick thing with the second round is I don't think this was an ideal round for the Eagles. I mean, I think you wanted.

I think you would have liked more of an upside guy to fall or you to trade up. And when I say more of an upside guy, like maybe now, I don't know what what Airboard says. I'm curious to hear what Howley said, but this seems to be like it came from a pool of players as opposed to one really sticking out. Last year, I mean, they took first round value in the second round, right? It's different when you're drafting in 64. That's why we talked about them trading up. I don't think they got first round value, of course, in the second round. If the Eagles got, quote, unquote, lucky in the first round

by not having to give up what they were willing to give up for a Jahad Campbell and getting to only move up one spot, I think it's fair to say that they got a little bit unlucky with the way that the second round played out and them staying pat. Yeah, I think that's fair. Yeah, it's interesting because you, when we go through this fast, like, all right, we're reacting. It's like, oh, Andrew McCuba, like, all right, we like, but sitting back and looking, I'm like, now, it's going to be interesting to see how those, when those safety start to come off

the board and how those guys are judged against each other moving forward. All right. And so, start of the third round, we have the Giants go in Darius Alexander, who some people like, he's extremely old. And unproductive in the Mac. And unproductive, yeah, and unproductive in the Mac. So, like, that's a real leap of faith that they're taking there. And you mentioned Harold Fainon Jr. goes off the board.

It was very productive. He was young and very productive in the match. He was very young and very productive in the mat. Yeah, so he goes off the board to Cleveland. And then we've spoken into existence. Dary and Porter Jr. Really? Off the board to the Las Vegas Raiders with the fourth pick in the round.

Well, that makes sense. He went to high school with Pete Carroll. Right. Well, the Pete Carroll, the comparison that a lot of people have made with Dary and Porter was Tariq Wallen. And so that's a Pete Carroll type of word. He was looking for his, his Taree Quillan. And also the Chiefs adding to their defensive line group,

group with Ashton Jolati from Louisville, who's a fun player. Yeah, one of my guys. I like Jolati. Man, he went ahead of Landon Jackson. There must be something with Landon Jackson, right? I guess so, yeah. So do you like the ice cream, then the water ice, then the ice cream? We get it.

The Jolati, yeah. Well, speaking of which, shout out to my mother-in-law. She's watching Jody. She's a wonderful woman. Okay, she's amazing. There's a butt-com. Yeah, right. No, she texted on when she's very concerned that I haven't eaten yet.

All right. As any mother-in-law is. So I'm going to take a quick five-minute break because Emily's saying you should have packed something. And I'm saying, no, no, we have food here. I just got here right before. And she said that her mom's very worried about me. So I'm going to get something to eat really quick. Go get some gelati.

Yeah. That'd be nice. That's very funny. Well, I thought he was going to answer it. I enjoy a lot. Yeah, Julia liked it. And to be fair, Fran had already made that joke, the Jolati joke, but that's okay. Today?

Not today, no. I do have to say I do enjoy that every time Zach leaves the set now, people are in the chat just going, he's pooping. He's eating. He's eating, yeah, that's good, polar jam. Oh, that's so funny. All right. Well, the Eagles are set to pick 96th in the third round. This is where the two gets interesting is that it feels like we just made it through the whole thing and we've got an entire another round to go.

I know. I love it. This is great. That's great. There's nothing better than it. Like, you know, this is one of the best parts about it. It's just kind of seeing these players come off the board. All right.

Apparently, there is some medical with Landon Jackson. Okay. Some good scoopage. Yeah. So I've started, you know, there's no way his film and character are too good. for him to still be on the board. So yeah, that's a shame. That's a shame.

I'll have to put in a backup plan in my shadow draft because that would have been the pick. Right. Lyndon Jackson. Yeah. Probably sick. What do you think? What's going on in your mind right now?

Well, I don't know that the Eagles have done enough to address their offense this offseason. That's kind of what's going through my mind. Okay. So what do you want? If they're letting Dallas Goddard go. Yeah. For nothing.

Right now, man. You know, yeah. I mean, they're not going to draft a running back in a third or fourth round. I guess they could in the fourth round. You know, does Kyle Williams move the needle for you? I like Kyle Williams. Yeah. But, you know, none of the other tight ends right now are super exciting.

And even the offensive line options are not great. I do like Caleb Rogers. Yeah, swing back up in the interior. Could probably play all five positions. Yeah. In theory. In theory. But I just think about the team long term.

And so much of what you're counting on an offense is everybody maintaining their level. Like, it's hard to expect anybody on offense to get better. Right. Like, who on the offense is going to get better next year? Maybe Jalen Hertz is what you're counting on. But, like, AJ's not going to get better. Sequin can't get any better. Lane and Milana can't get any better.

The offensive line in general can't get better. Calcutara. Right? And so if we're expecting the defense to still be good, but not the best in football, realistically. Right. Yep. Yeah.

I don't know that I'm ready to think that the offense is going to make up for that. I think that's all fair. I think that's all fair. You're still counting on the fact that even if it's not better, that the talent is good enough to just will you to victory on a lot of those games. Sure. I mean, maybe you're counting on better scheme? They also were extremely healthy last year.

Yeah. For the most part. I don't know. I'm a little, I'm a little bit. Now, listen, the off season's not done yet. They could still make some trades or whatever.

People say Devante in the chat. Like, yeah, Devante could take a bit of a mini leap. He's already really good. He's already good. It's just a production thing. Yeah.

Like, he's not a different player. Yeah, I don't think he's getting better as much as like his production could improve. And so you really are counting on Jill and Hertz. You know the market? I don't know.

You know the position that dried up? the tackle. For sure. Yeah, that position, that position got picked over big time. For sure. Looking at the best available. I think the offensive line to me is, maybe it just wasn't that deep to begin with.

Yeah. But, and maybe there are some like round four guys. There are some guys here that I actually, I'm looking at, I have more higher grade. I have more higher graded players. Okay.

Whatever. Along the offensive line that I do with interior defense line right now. Like a Joshua Farmer potentially? Yeah, Farmer is probably the guy that sticks out for me. And I think there are day three darkos, but this is why I don't think that the Eagles needed to draft a defensive tackle. And maybe this goes into their belief in Jordan Davis. But I think there are some traitsy guys that they could roll the dice on on day three. Like a Jordan Phillips shout out to Chris, Dion Walker, who you don't love.

But guys they could sort of talk themselves into. Right. Riley Mills, maybe CJ West. Yep. Yeah, that group got picked over. Yeah. I'm looking around. Or what are the position?

So I think it looks like Kyle. Williams is going off the board right now into England. Okay. So there's your receiver off the board. But there are still, Jalen Noel is still there from Iowa State. That's surprising. There are some good receivers.

Guys I think have the ability to be good that are still on the board. Now, I got to tell you, I know Zach liked, you're like A.U. Manor. Yeah. He's the only other guy in this class with Luther Burden, who is young, fast, and productive.

Hmm. Who hit all three. I didn't like love watching him play, but I would be willing to roll the dice in the third round, I think. He looks to me like, a guy who's going to be a starter, but not a super productive. I think he's like your dirty work, kind of like frustrating possession guy that can work all

three levels. Who is the kid from Green Bay that everybody loves? Don Tavian Wicks? Yes. Don Tavian Wicks is like, he's like a hipster like, oh, I love bringing down the film on Elykeye Manor because look at his releases, look at his routes. But then he like drops a lot of passes. Okay.

That's kind of a eye manner. Progressive rally Cooper. Sure. Good. Have you like Savan Williams? No. The TCU player? I'm letting somebody else take him, I think.

Okay. Yeah. He's kind of fun. Yeah. I mean, that profile often doesn't work out. Exactly. Right. He's kind of fun.

Right. Do you want to do your guys? Sure. Should we wait for Zach? We should wait for Zach to do it to do our guys. He's going to like that. But, yeah, it's, this is, And you said it when you were doing your seven-round mock.

I know. That like, oh, there's a point in this draft where, like, it really thins out. And then it gets fun again. And, like, you know, in the fourth round, you can get excited about guys. But it does feel right now like this is, this is tough.

Now, there are some guys, Revell, Azaria Thomas I could get excited about. But on offense, there's nobody who I'm super excited about. Yeah, I'm looking. I mean, look, I've got, I'm still, there's a lot of guys. I, when I have my horrors on a board, it's tiered by color.

So the starter, like people I think can be starters are in green. And I'm looking around and I've got four safeties. I've got six corners, one linebacker, four edge rushers, one D tackle, four interior linemen, six tackles, two tight ends, four receivers, no running backs, two quarterbacks. So there's still a lot of guys I think can be starters. But there are profiles that, like, it's not someone that they're not the most exciting. When we were talking about I amounted, did he go off the board? Or is he still out?

No, no, we were talking about him. Got it. Dana says 10 of the first 65 picks were defensive tackles. Yeah. So there you go. There's your pickover. Yep. And what was the average coming in?

Give me a second. I'll tell you. I've got on my shadow draft board, five guys with six guys with second round grades left. And there's another defense tackle. Just got one off the board in New Orleans. Ooh, let's see. Was it Cam.

Jackson. No. The Ty Robinson. He's actually a guy that I didn't, I didn't finish writing up. Really? Yeah. I knew the book on, but just didn't get a chance to write him all up. Who was that? Vernon Broughton from Texas. He's another player where there were trade. He's, honestly, he's very similar to Joshua Farmer. Very similar body type and skill set, big, broad nose tackle, production was up and down. Stout has some light feet, flash player, maybe a little bit early for me personally. based on what I've done.

But just, I didn't do a full, full eval, so I didn't finish the write-up. But that's kind of the book on them after. I did, like, one game back in the fall. What you eat? The pizza, Santucci's. Nice. Yeah, good job there.

What I love about Santucci's is that it ages very well. Exactly. Yeah, you can have a cold. Yes, you can have a cold, and it's, it's part of a night like this. I agree. I agree. By the way, if we want, and I'm going to defer to our host it in the best of, host in the city. Maybe we just defer to these for tomorrow, but if we want, there's going to be a

conference call with Andrew McCuba soon. If we wanted to go live to it or if we wanted to wait just to players tomorrow while we were on that six-hour marathon. If we're able to do that, I think that would be, we could do that. Is that doable, Julia? So it's not ready yet, but I will, I will tell you when it's when it's going to happen. Yeah, why not? Let's give it a shot. As Isaac to Slaw goes off the board, I think it's to Slaw. you want to bet no I did my work

yeah if there's anything that has to do with the name I'm gonna trust you because I know how much you would have loved it to be Tesla it's to slaw okay according to the beast

yeah who did you get taken by Detroit Detroit I can't now this is a player where like like boy the the profile's not great

but he's fun to watch I know you listen to it on the on the coach Flynn show he's fun to watch flashes are good big athletic and the athleticism shows up on film

yeah didn't put the ball on the ground flashes as a route runner but definitely needs to get better Landon Jackson off the board to New Orleans Buffalo Buffalo

New Orleans took we're a couple picks I got you okay New Orleans is taken Broughton from Texas oh okay then Buffalo's going to take

Landon Jackson yeah Tesla what's tricky about it man is that he started at that small school Hillsdale College, I think, and then it transfers up to Arkansas. That's the alma mater of Tom Hecker. Oh, there you go.

Good one. What? What is funny about that? Listen, it needed to be said. All right. I get it. It's good. But yeah, that's a trick.

It's spoken like someone who's had to write about Tom Hecker in the past two years, at least. Actually, he got a very casual mention, and he wasn't a promise. a part of the franchise. He was in there. He was in there. He must have at least done your research on him. Of course. Did Hillsdale get a name drop?

Hillsdale did not. No. There was a few other small schools that did. Grand Valley State got in there. But Hillsdale did not. I do find that Buffalo as long as I've been doing the shadow draft

is actually often a team that is drafting some of my guys. Yeah. What's going to be the shadow draft status. Like, are we going to get a show with the shadow draft or is it going to be? Oh. Well, yeah, I'm not going to be on the show next week. Yeah. I might, I might do the writing. Okay. No, I'm not even thinking about the writing, but like it's always a fun show to do it. I could do it. I could do it the week after. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we can wait for the week after. Yeah. I like that. That's fine. It gives us something to look forward to. There you go. Find me return. And we got, then we got the schedule release. What, what day? Wednesday.

Big news. The schedule. So that that schedule release comes out. on May 14th, Wednesday night. We're over 700 likes now. And the NFL also announced tonight that they're coming out, they're having like the City Connect type jerseys. You know how, so that's starting, I think, in 27, teams will have more alternate jerseys. I'll say this.

Kids love those, man. Like, they're not geared toward adults. You know, kids love the City Connect type jerseys. So. All right. You want to do our guys? Oh, no, we're waiting for Mukuba. Yeah, we're going to have Mukuba.

I think our guys would be good for tomorrow at this point. Okay. Yeah. What was your approach with our guys? They were mostly like the day three types, right? Mostly. I had a couple. I had a couple.

Day one, day two. Actually, don't know if I had any day one guys. Yeah. A couple. Yeah. But just guys, you're higher on the consensus. Yeah, those are fun. One of mine went in the first round.

No surprise. James Pierce, Jr. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's okay. Although, apparently you don't love him as much as Terrapont. That's true.

That's true. Starting corner off the board, potentially starting corner off the board. Azarié Thomas, the corner from Florida State. I like Azariya Thomas. He just can't run. Yeah. Yeah. It's got to be in a specific system.

Yeah. What's up with Revel? Yeah, I mean, the profile, I guess, you know. It hasn't played a ton. Smaller school. Coming off the ACL. Ice coffee's gone. It's a good run.

It's a good run. I had two venties today and I'm feeling it. I did get a nap today. You did? Nice. That was nice. How long? It was a pretty good nap.

It might have been about two hours. Wow. Did you do the sleep while the baby sleeps? Well, this was Rachel and her mom. Got it. Who was in town and took the baby out for a little walk and go, you know, get a little lunch somewhere. So that's what I. Nice.

How are the kids handling? The adjustment. They've been amazing. That's got, that's awesome. It's been, like, blown away by,

by how great they've been so far. Yeah. Yeah, it's been, it's been wonderful. So, that was a nice, it was a nice nap.

Sure. Didn't get a ton of sleep last night, but that's okay. Nobody's complaining. Yeah, this, I'm just like, it's thin.

It's thin, man. It's saying, it's just getting thinner. It's just getting, like my hair. We got, uh, your hair looks great.

Yeah. Thanks. Your hair looks great. Yeah. 23 picks away. from the Eagles next selection. A lot of players that are going to be between now and then. What's disappointing is that

probably the best position that you could hope for guys to fall is safety. Right, right, yep. Yeah. So offensive line, it looks like there'll be some guys there. Defensive line, I think there'll be some options. Corner. There's some corners that I like. They're still out there.

They're going to pick somebody on offense. Yeah, and there are some receivers. I'm sure. Shock that Jalen Knoll hasn't gone. Jalen Lane's a player that I like to from Virginia Tech. Yeah, crazy explosive numbers. Yes. As a jumper.

Yep. Both players that we talked about. Yep. I'm with you, Zach. You were out. I would be intrigued by A.O. Manor. Oh, yeah. He's the wide receiver.

Well, I'll discuss him tomorrow. But he's the wide receiver there who, well, because he's my guy. Got it. And I mean, I have the Canadian allegiance to him as well. But, man, I mean, you watch that, I don't know if they do that in Canada, but you watch him against Travis Hunter, man, and you would think this guy's going to be like first team all pro. Yeah, two years ago.

Yeah, he had that big game against them. I want the Eagles at this. Now, listen, you know that I think Tanner McKee is an all-pro caliber quarterback. But I do think the most fun thing that could happen tonight now is them taking a quarterback, either Shador or Jalen Millrow. I think that would be a lot of fun. if we're going team content. Sure.

Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, Shador's the content king there, right? I mean, Shador's. But I wonder if the Eagles are going to trade out at the third. Yeah, I could see that. I mean, this isn't, this hasn't been so good. This isn't good so far for our trade predictions, right? I mean, everything's kind of been shocked for them so far.

Yeah. Man, I can't believe. I mean, there really must be something. dire medically with Lennon Jackson because for him to go this late. Yeah, early third was definitely later than I anticipated. Yeah, I think it's the lack of pass rush juice. I mean, that's what I kept hearing relative to some of these other edge rushers. You might have been when you stay, I think it when you stepped out to go,

go to the bathroom. I've gotten a message that medical was, was a reason why. Yeah, that was a reason why. All right. How's everybody feeling? We're settling in. We've got 23 picks to go before the Eagles are. up at 96 unless they move up.

And what's, what should my plan be in that, is there enough time? They make the pick. I talk about it. Then I head to Nova Care, you know, because there's, there's those compics afterwards. Yeah. One, two. Oh, there's a decent amount. There's a decent amount.

Maybe Howley comes down, but I think how he was six. Yeah, it's six players. So I should probably think about heading over there soon. Probably. But then I'm on the road from Maccuba. Although I don't need to see Maccuba. I can do that in the car. Let me do, I'm going to jump on to do Denver.

Okay, I'll wait for you to leave Denver. Yeah, I mean, you got a ways to go. Yeah, I don't think you need to go before 84. 84, that's what I'm going to me. Something like that. Maybe a couple of picks earlier. You could go and get another bite of food on the way over. Well, they got the chickies and pizza in the, but I'll be sitting there a few hours at that point.

The cafeteria on draft weekend. Yeah. Yeah, back. But the best is Saturday morning. That's a great. Saturday morning was the breakfast, yes. Yeah, they used to let us there. They used to let us there, not anymore.

No. So now they bring in the food. I like this point by Kevin in the chat, who says maybe the better move would have been to take Fanon at 64, and then whichever safety falls to you in the 90s. And if you're gaming it out that way, maybe that would have worked better if they loved, if they loved Phannon. Well, that's the question of the horizontal board versus the vertical board, right?

And because there were more safety. it was pretty scattered. I got to think, you know, McCuba was a targeted player for the Eagles. I did ask Howie the other day about, you know, drafting at the bottom of rounds, right? And the lessons from the 18 draft.

And the thing that he said is, is like you have to kind of hone in on guys that you really want. And I imagine McCuba was a guy that they really wanted. Now, again, I don't know the board for the other teams. The Eagles don't know the board for the other teams. how he does a good job typically with valuation on players.

He gets a sense of the range. But, yeah, I mean, there is a major drop-off now at tight end to the point that I'm kind of with. I think the best situation for Goddard and the Eagles is for Goddard to come back. I agree. Yep. I think so, too. Now it's a big swing for flu world quarter. It's just, you know, it's easy for.

for me to say, I'm not controlling Goddard's wallet, right? But again, I don't know what money Goddard's getting. Right. So I don't know if a team's giving Goddard what he wants. So that's that's the question. And I guess I'll pick my head up after the draft and look at tight end depth charts. But, yeah, I mean, I wonder if Donald Parham is available. Stag Parham watch.

How does it go to New Orleans, 2K5. True. Yeah, they're Kellan Moore. Good point. Do you need to go? Yeah, I'm going to jump out. Okay, we'll see in a little bit. We'll be back a bit. Let's hit up those super chats. That's Fran takes a little stroll with Brinney. Musa. What will it take to get a ZB? Yeah, this isn't happening, okay? I'm preserving my professionalism.

I appreciate the sentiment. I, like, I'm flattered. You're a sex symbol, man. I'm flattered that you ask. Yeah, no, the shirt's staying on. Okay, the nips are staying covered. Andrew O'Rourke says, is Lakin Vakalahi on track to be a backup option? Good question, Zach. Yeah, so he's on the international exemption again, so we'll see him this summer.

I don't think so yet. I mean, it took Jordan Maillata three years to even be, like, able to get on the field, right? And I know there was injury years. one, but really, it took him three years. Lake and Vakalaka, it's a similar type of progression. He's not the athlete that Milata was, so he was with the team last year. He was with the team

throughout that. I think this is another year of them taking advantage of the international exemption. I think if he's a player for them, it'll be next season, not this season. It's probably right. But it's a, just keep him in the back of your mind. He's still here. He's who knows? He's like 21 years old, 22 years old. Let's be Vic Fangio. Let's no, nobody put a ceiling

on the guy. That's true. Next up, we have Tyler who says ZB word on the street is you're Donald ducking it behind the desk right now would you be willing to stand up and give us a spin how dare you what is Donald ducking mean that means you're wearing clothes up top and nothing on the bottom oh no I'm wearing I'm wearing I can confirm yeah I'm wearing dark pants and air force wounds yeah so air force wounds yeah good for you how dare you how dare you polar jam that's not polar jam polar jam Polo Jam says, between Tyler Steen and Kenyon Green, do they really need a guard? The later the draft goes feels like the odds of getting someone they like more than them drops.

That's probably fair. Yeah, I didn't view guard as a need. I viewed it more like... Upgradable. Exactly. And we always talk about them getting that tackle early, right? Which I agree with everything you said leading up to the draft. I still think that was a real consideration.

for them. It wasn't a great tackle draft class, of course. But I think that it's more if you take a tackle early, someone who can move over to guard. After that, I don't think there was ever a situation where I was like, all right, their third round pick needs to be the starting guard next year. No, I mean, I think part of the Kenyon Green acquisition is to compete with Steen, and I think that they want to see what Steen can do. Steen was, look, Steen was drafted earlier than the pick that's on the board right now. Steen was like, what, the first pick or the second pick of the third round? I think you're right that I think they feel like between those two guys.

And I mean, if you want to get aggressive, throw Matt Pryor in there. And you've also got Trevor Kagan, who is still kicking around. They would hope that they could get by. But I think that, you know, I just think there was a scenario where they saw someone in the first two rounds who was a potential tackle or even just a plug and play day one really good guard. And that was a spot where they could have addressed. Yeah. You're right.

I have a quote here from Steve Sarcassian that the Eagles sent out. They call him Sark. Sark. What a great addition to our program, Andrew, was. Not just as a player, but as a leader or teammate and a tremendous example of hard work and dedication. He just puts his head down, gives it all he's got all the time, and is an incredible teammate. He was a really good football player for us this year who helped us win a lot of games, made big plays, and always stepped up when he was needed.

Andrew was very versatile, played well in the run game. His X-1 and past defense has some position flexibility. I think the Eagles will see his practice habits, his preparation, and the things that lead to positive performances on game day will really make him a great pro. Those are characteristics he had that will serve him well in the NFL. Too long of a quote for the post-draft thing, and too obvious that he didn't write it himself, I would say.

Oh, you don't think he said that and they transcribed it? Yeah, because it's not, it doesn't sound spoken. Interesting. It sounds written. And I don't think he sat down. You know, he's all, okay, okay. So I'll say Steve Sarkesian in a statement. Yeah, I would agree with that.

In a statement about Andrew McCuba. Yeah. I'm sure they've got plenty of good PR people at Texas. Oh, I imagine that's. They've got lots of people. Yeah, I imagine they do. You like Austin? I like an Austin, yeah.

Awesome city. Good food city. Great food city. Every type of food you can want. Like in the internet. I mean, yeah. Yeah, that's true. There's a lot of good, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it's a very eclectic city, right? Yeah, big fan of Austin. No, the bats. Is it like food trucks? No, no, no, it's bats. Oh, no, I thought you were talking about like a restaurant. No. Oh, no, no, no.

Are you a bat guy? This is a famous thing about Austin. Do you want to see bats? That like when dusk comes, there's the big exodus of the bats from under the bridge. Okay. Okay. I don't think I've ever seen a bat. No? No. I'm trying to think of what kind of...

How about the zoo? Well, yeah. No, I put it like in the real, like, yeah. Like where in your... That's a, about you. Okay, yeah. My dad, no, a bat. So, this is shotgun, Chris. Yes.

So my... It's like Forrest Gump. He's, he hangs out with Sequin. He's, he's everywhere. So, uh, my, at my parents' house, there's like, my dad built like a bat house up in the tree where the bats like literally live because they have a bunch of fruit trees so the bats at night come out and will eat all the bugs and stuff to keep them from like attacking their trees and stuff so keeps all the gnats and mosquitoes away um yeah that makes it not so buggy yeah so like there's have they ever come into the house though

no okay no but i have been hit by one because we were like if you throw something up in the air don't think it's a bug so they'll fly back Okay. So. Did you then have to go get checked for rabies or whatever or just a just a flyby? Just a flyby. I remember this happened at camp a couple times. People got a bat in the bunk and then they had to get tested for rabies.

Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot of like chasing the bat with a with a broom. Are you able to catch it? Well, no, you're trying to just trying to get it out. I always think of the office episode where, yeah, where Jim acted acted like he was a vampire. fire, yeah. And he got eaten by, he got bitten by a bat. I think of the, uh, I think of the, uh, the man of the man of genoboli. Oh, yes. I do remember.

Yeah, with a swat all by himself. That I do remember. That is badass. So I suppose I've seen a bat on, on TV. And I've seen a lot of Batman movies. You've seen a lot of Batman movies? Oh, a lot of, yeah. When I was younger, I was, I was really into the, um, like the George Clooney Batman? I saw the George Clooney. I mean, I'm thinking the Michael Keaton Batman and the Val Kilmer, Batman, and then they're the George Clooney Batman.

Peck Nest, migrate, Keaton, Kilmer, Clooney as Batman. I guess I would Nest Clooney, Peck Keaton, migrate Kilmer. Okay, interesting. I don't know. I like George Clooney as an actor. I mean, I like him as a person. I read a lot of interviews with him. They find him to be extremely insightful.

Yeah. I'm a sucker for You know how they used to have it in Esquire? The Like The what I said type thing It was like a one page It was like a

It was an interview but you didn't see the questions Okay Yeah Does the chat know what I'm talking about? What I've learned Esquire what I've learned Yeah And the George Clooney one was

Was one of my favorite ones Okay What do you remember about it? I remember a few things. He was with Barack Obama, and he said to Barack Obama, what's, you know, what keeps you up at night? And Barack Obama said, you have to understand that, like, if something comes to me, like, then, you know,

no one else can figure it. So it's something. No one else can solve it. So everything would keep me up at the night because it means no one else can answer it. And he said, so then he said, but like, what's the one issue? And then he said the one issue, I believe it was Iran at the time. Okay. And then he gave an example of it was something really powerful.

Like he was talking about friendship among men. And he said he has this group of friends. And, you know, Richard Schiff, if you guys know, Richard Schiff, he's actually on the show now with John Mullaney. But Richard Schiff's, like, in this group of like five or six friends that they have. And Richard Schiff's father passed away. And, and... I can't believe how well you remember this.

Yeah. It was just, it was, it was a really powerful scene. And, and, you know, it was like a big difference between, like, guys and, well, I don't, I don't want to generalize, but like. Guys and dolls. No, like, like men and women, you know, is that your group of friends, you might not talk all the time, right? And he said, like, they don't, they don't talk each other all the time. They don't see each other all the time. But he was talking about, like, men friendship.

And he said that they got a note from Richard Schiff that, you know, my father passed away. you know the funeral Saturday you know I don't want you know you guys don't have he just kind of told him that or I don't even know if he told him when the funeral was anyways

George Clooney gets a plane and picks up all the friends and they don't tell him and they're there in the back of the synagogue where the funeral is and Richard Schiff's giving his his eulgy and he looks out and he sees like his

his closest friends and he's like that's he's like that's what you know friendship is he's like you know we don't talk but like you're there and uh that was always really um striking to me so that that that stood out so anyways that's good that's memorable but i also think that's leaving there is also room for communication in there it doesn't have to be just silent showing up there are other ways to do it yeah or not richard ship richard kind that's what it was Sorry. I don't know why I said Richard Schiff.

Richard Kind. Richard Kind. Richard Jenkins. Richard Kind. Anyways. But then I've read a lot of like essays from George Clooney and interviews with him. And he's an impressive person. It's funny that Richard Kind is part of George Clooney's close friend group.

Yeah. I guess they came up in Hollywood at the same time. I don't know. But anyways, that was how we got to. on the topic from Batman. What's your favorite? Well, let's go through, let's go through some of the most recent picks

because there's an interesting one. Oh, the picks. We are doing a draft show. Okay. In the NFC East. The Dallas Cowboys taking Chavon Revel, one of France's favorite players in the draft, the cornerback from East Carolina.

That will be an interesting one to follow. The Broncos drafting Illinois wide receiver, Pat Bryant, which is a bit of a reach as far as I'm concerned, but do what you like. Sean Payton, he might be, he might be a couple Paps Light Steep by now. San Francisco drafting Oklahoma State linebacker

Nick Martin and then Carolina everybody's so mad that they didn't address defense on day one even though I kind of like the Ted McMillan pick. They're drafting Mississippi Edge princely Uman Mieland Me Ellen, which is a fun name. Oh, okay.

Texans are so who did the Cardinals pick? That's coming up on. They're saying that the Texans at 79 drafted Jalen from Iowa State. Explosive. A little old. General Noel, though, was

it was France favorite. He might be France. My guy. He was Rio Herald on France's ranking. There was one person in there that, oh, so, so, Prinsley, I liked him two years ago at Florida. He transferred Ole Miss.

Ole Miss paid all that, transfer money. I didn't think he was as good last year or made the jump that I, expected. But yeah, this is... I'm surprised that the,

after the Mukuba pick, more safeties haven't gone. No, you're right. Sanker, Xavier Watts, Kevin Winston Jr. are all still available. You're right.

All right. I mean, we're close enough. They're not quite on the lower... Yeah. Who was your third round pick in your mock? I think I maybe had them

trading the third round pick as part of a move up. Oh, okay. Let's see. Yeah, I did not have them making a third round pick. I had been going, Charles Grant's. Charles Grant still... I could see that.

That's very possible. And Charles Grant is a tackle that I really like. In fact, if I was setting odds, I might make Charles Grant the shortest odds of a pick for the Eagles in this round right now. Now, Fran had John and Travis going. Jordan Birch from Oregon, the edge is who goes to Arizona at 78. Fran had had jail and Travis in the third round. I had jail and Travis in the fifth round. So a bit of a spread there.

But tackle would be a spot to watch here. You're kind of looking probably for like a developmental or potential swing tackle type at this point. I wonder about Cameron Williams. Me too. Big Texas. Yeah, huge, long arms. Enormous, you know, really big hands bigger than really we've ever seen

from an elite offensive lineman, extremely raw. and relatively low on Franz board, but if you're thinking about the Jeff Stoutland critical factors, like let's get this guy to Stoutland you, and if anybody can get 90% of his upside out of him, we're the place to do it. He's enormous. Yes.

That's a pick where I could be, I would almost rather that pick than Charles Grant because we're thinking about some real upside. Yeah, one year starter, right? So you would think a big developmental curve ahead. head. I think he dropped down from like 380 to 340, but I mean, you know, his wingspan is probably this, you know, the size of this room, right? I mean, he is, he's, he's big, he's long. So I, I could absolutely see that. That would be an interesting name. Charles Grant was just

someone I kind of had had targeted early on in this draft process, even before the Eagles brought him in because, you know, smaller school William and Mary, but the, you see the athleticism. you see the length that he has of a wrestler in high school and as as you know as as as as as as as as as as as as we heard from uh brandon that comes through in his film so Charles Grant I thought would be interesting

but Cameron Williams is a big school project really young and that that would intrigue me interesting with Texans so that the they drafted GILA no they also drafted Jaden Higgins they kept the two Iowa State wide receivers together Yeah. Next thing you know, they're going to take Rocco Beckt. Do you know what Rocco Beck is? No, of course not. He's a quarterback, so it makes sense.

You know what Rocco Beck's father is? Beck the singer. He's a tight end from the Philly area. Played for the Jets. It's been on Anthony's show. Oh, Anthony Beckett? Anthony Beck, son, Rocco, is the quarterback in Iowa State. Okay, I remember Anthony Beckett? Yes.

Nice. He's from... Is he in this draft or he's still there? No, he's going back next year. But decent player. Coach Flynn liked him, I believe, when he was watching film of the Iowa State receivers. Who else jumps to mind when you think of Iowa State?

I mean, I can give you 30 players from Iowa State. But Troy Davis is the one when I was younger. Okay. Royce White? Oh, we're on basketball? I mean, you know, Fred Hoyberg's the mayor. Sure. You go before that, Larry O'Stacey.

had a tough trip. I think about those co-eds. There's a guy who liked the student union. Yeah, seriously. I don't think he liked the student union. Justin Wally going off the board to the Indianapolis Colts, the Minnesota corner. He liked the Greek life, not the student union, right?

Well, yeah, but I mean, how do you think he gets the invites to those parties? He's got to show up with the student union first. I like how Julia popped for Larry Eustachian. You know the story? Did you know the story? Oh. Oh, you know the story. I thought you were laughing at Larry Eustachian.

you're Stacy. Oh, okay. He was an Iowa State basketball coach who, after a road trip, went to a college party and like in the hot tub. Like, lost his job. Okay. Before that, was Tim Floyd. At Iowa State, their football coaches, you know, they had Gene Chiswick for a year.

Then he goes to Auburn. I mean, now they have Matt Campbell, as we all know. As we all know, yeah. Justin Wally, I liked. Eagles brought him in for a visit. Nice movable player in the secondary would have made sense for the Eagles, but I don't know if they would have gone quite this high on him. And Julia and Chris, just to update you, the Eagles haven't been able to track down Makuba for,

I mean, they tracked him down to tell him he was driving. Yeah, I mean, I hope he's not eight ball. No, they haven't tracked him down for the video conference with the media. So that's why we haven't. gotten it yet. Sorry to keep you. Rock Purdy, of course, from Iowa State. Of course. And he was the predecessor, I believe, for, um, for Rocco Beck. That's a good name. Tim Crumry. What a great name. Let's see if they can take someone older than the last player they took. Wow, they drafted George Clooney. They took another old guy, Dylan Fairchild. Dylan Fairchild, the guard from Georgia.

Yes. Cincinnati Bengals, always in search of offensive line help. That is true. And they like Georgia offensive line. in the past marius mimms last year cordie glenn in the past cordie glenn getting a pop love that on day two they like georgia they took david pollock one year they had they took david green so yeah they took a j green are you just watching we drink this water of course i'm watching you drink this water here comes the two-hander can we pan the video i'm self-conscious right can we zoom in about the two-hander i mean i mean easily the highlight of the weekend is this water bottle.

So we got, I'll tell you how many ounces here, 50.7 ounces. Well, it's that point seven that puts it over the top. Yeah. What's it? Yeah, I have it cool because I'm, I'm embarrassed to keep going. Yeah, I should have brought it out when I had the, when I had the pizza. Yeah.

How about this for the likes? You chug the water. For the likes? Sure. Sure. But we'll do it tomorrow, okay? We'll do it tomorrow. Will you have the same water?

I'll stop and pick it up, but the deal is through the weekend. I'm not going to be here tomorrow. I'm not going to be here tomorrow. I miss you, but yeah, I mean. The deal is through the weekend. The deal is through the weekend. But I'm going to be a little tight on time tonight.

Okay. I will do it tomorrow. Tomorrow, if we get, if we're watching us a Saturday. If we get to a thousand. I will check. Zach leaves tonight. I will, he will chug a big thing of water

on the show tomorrow. Yes. I can't wait for that. But it was about the wrath of Zeeby's mother-in-law. My mother-in-law wants me hydrated, so, yeah. Yeah, and we want a meeting too.

She appreciated, I haven't looked at my text here. She said she can go to sleep knowing that I ate something. So, glad someone, yeah, so and she really enjoys the show. Big fans of Bo Wolf. Shut up. What was the one?

What did you say to pop-pop earlier? My grandfather? Yeah. What's going on? What's going on? Thanks for watching. What's going on? All right, let's go to the super chats that we have not picked off yet.

By the way, Shador Sanders is not going to go here according to the Steelers, according to Michael Silver. Oh, interesting. Idiot Sandwich says, shout out to the wolves. Bose here days after third child for the team. Rachel making his appearance here tonight possible. by being Super Mom Dream Team. Thank you very much. And thank you to my mother-in-law

for helping out while we do that. Agreed. Steve Whitaker, Bo. What three pitchers did you try to emulate back in your days on the mound? Good one. What a good question. This is not the answer,

but there was a point early in my high school career where mechanically, I loved Chris Benson's mechanics. when Chris Benson was on the Pirates. He had a beautiful motion. Motion-wise, the other one, Tim Hudson had that really long stride. Yes.

Love the Tim Hudson long stride. And like the little rock at the top of the delivery, loved that. But then you're also thinking, like everybody thinks they've got a little intimidation in them and you're like, you know, a little Pedro brush them back.

Sure. You're hoping you have a little bit of that. And then I would say, I mean, those are the ones to come to mind. And then, you know, like a big hook and curveball and my willingness to throw it, you know, behind in the count.

I don't know if there was a particular pitcher who had that that I was thinking of, but that was part of the deal. So thank you for that memory trip-down memory lane, Steve. I still feel in my mind like I would, like, like all the, all the body movement of being pitcher and just like feeling like your pitcher, I still just like I have that in my head all day long.

Not all day long, but like I could just, I could flip that on. I feel, I always feel very comfortable on the baseball field. If you went out there and pitched, how would you do? Against who? Just against friends. By the way, we have Makuba coming any minute. Okay. And the Titans now taking Kevin Winston Jr.

Okay. Some 18 picks later. I mean, would you throw hard? Would you? No, my arm is dead. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

I mean, I wish, yeah. 38 years old. What was the last time you pitched? Yeah, what was the last time you pitched? I don't know. Probably 15 years ago as a baseball. Yeah. Sure.

Yeah. I mean, I have a catch. How many pitches that you throw? I mean, I was... Baseball change, up curve. What else? Yeah, well, you got a four seam. You got a two seam.

Yep. Experimented with the slider for a, a little bit, through a splitter a little bit. Really? And then, you know, different kinds of change-ups as you're trying to change your feel. A circle. Yeah, and then just like the forehander. But fastball, curveball change primarily.

Yeah. Yeah. There you go. We can sneak another one in here before Maccuba comes up. What else do we have? Vinny T. Just the, we love that, just the, just the, generous super chat. Thank you for that. need T.

Yeah, McCuba's coming on now. All right. Do we have it? We're going to maybe bring you the newest eagle. Safety Andrew Mukuba. He'll be here any minute. Yep. From Texas by way of Clemson.

So he went orange to orange. Going to be a difficult projection to green for him, I would imagine. You think so. Yeah. Would have been better for him to go to the Bengals. Probably so. Yeah, or the Broncos. Or the Browns, potentially.

Or the Browns, potentially. potentially. How do you feel about the browns not being brown? Their helmets orange, but their jerseys brown. Yeah, but the helmet's orange. Why aren't they the Cleveland oranges? The jersey's brown. So most of it.

Caleb Johnson, that's a very easy one to project to the Steelers. The Iowa. Oh, that's all great, yeah. That's the perfect combination. I really am, this is a new fascination of mine is the, the jersey color easy transition you see this is that's a really good one this is the analysis you're not getting on nfl network right now i love that let me look like a stealer that's perfect they're going between offensive tackles and vision and field they're not giving you anything about jersey they're

going there i mean you know andy wittles going to bed at night he's like ah man can i imagine caleb johnson this offense yes very easily yeah by the way man this is like hurry up and wait hurry up and wait they we get let into the zoom but macuba doesn't come onto the screen I'm going to have to roll over to NovaCare soon. Eagles... Yeah, you might. You know what? At this point, I'm just going to ride it here.

You can go if you need to. A friend will be back soon. We can carry it. Especially if Mukuba starts. Yeah, well, yeah, we'll see about Mukuba starting. Caleb Johnson. Yeah, once it comes up. Did you have a favorite name in the name guide?

The name guy was amazing this year. I loved it. He was one. There was one about a date that was really funny. It's down handy? Yes, the stone handy one I thought was. And I think it was good that it was informed by you third date. Third date.

Specifically, the worst third day. We haven't talked about Colorado. We haven't talked about Colorado. Yeah, I met our man, Shea. Oh, what did you learn? Did you learn any more about Bean Girl? Well, Shea and Shea were talking about Bean Girl for a while. Really?

And Schill's daughter was giving terrific advice about being girls. Oh, I heard you say that. I heard you say that to Fran. Yeah. But yeah, it was great seeing shape. But the name guide. Okay, yeah, we got MacCuba coming up. Andrew McCuba.

Coming up any minute. Courtesy of the Philadelphia Eagles. Will you hear my audio when we put it on when he comes up? like would I have to go to a different room? Okay. I'm going to actually jump in the car and. Go ahead. Yeah, no, I'm going to wait for McCuba to come up here.

I don't want to leave you on. The chiefs have traded up to 85. They must love somebody. Marcus Bow, Charles Grant. Scadaboo, that'd be fun. Yeah, that's true. There's some fun running backs available. Bashal Tudin, I like.

DJ Giddens, we both like. Yeah, we, we did both like DJ Giddens. Man, MacCupah, come on, man. Let's see if the Chiefs have. Moving up for Noel Williams, the California corner. He was in the name guy, wasn't he? I don't think he was. And, I mean, a lot of people in the cutting room floor

of the name guide as well. I sent it over the Hirschfield. Did you? Yeah. Makuba is coming on. Now the Eagles just tweeted out that here he comes up. Yep. So we can go to him and I will see you guys from NovaCare.

Beautiful. We love you. I feel very strongly about being on the show and strongly like, yeah, I love doing this show. Okay, with all of you. Yeah. That's E.J. This voice. It's on the Eagles.

You got it? It's on the Eagles Twitter account? Okay. Cheap so far. Josh Simmons, Omar, Norman, Laude, and Noel Williams.

Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Eagles, you're not too far away. Yeah, I'm going to head over there. Hold serve until McCubbock gets back.

This has been awesome. And I will be on. Looking forward to breaking that pick. Oh, yeah. We've got to get you on to break it. Beautiful. The chat is saying that they love you, Zach. I love that they watch us.

But not individually. It's important. He loves you as a collective, but you individually are nothing but pissing the wind. The 30th date? The 30th date? I feel like that's about right. All right.

Let's see if we're getting Mukuba, live on the show. Otherwise, we can play the name game as the Eagles pick approaches. I still think they would like to add somebody on offense. Charles Grant, we've talked about. Emery Jones, we haven't mentioned, is an LSU offensive lineman who Fran likes a little bit.

Could be a possibility. Cameron Williams, we did talk about. Miles Frazier, the other LSU offensive lineman. Of course, we all remember the exciting story of Zach going to the LSU game, expecting to watch one of them, and then somebody say, no, no, no, no, watch the other one. So do we have Makuba here?

You know, this is a classic trope. of Eagles game or draft weekend Zooms is the fan, the fan going in the background. I feel like this has happened many times. You know, it has some good conversations, you know, but in general, overall, I feel like, I felt like I had a good, I had a pretty good process with the whole, you know, a draft process. But as far as, you know, talking to Philly throughout the drop process, I mean, I met with them a few times, had a few good conversations, but, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't

you know, how can I put this again? I'm sorry. I'm lost of words, man. It's crazy. But, yeah, I mean, we talked a little bit, but I know. I just thought out of this whole process. I just left everything in God's name. But I'm glad, and I'm glad I'm here.

I'm glad I'm with the evils, and I'm glad I'm ready to compete in everything. We'll go to John and then Jeff. Congratulations. First of all, saw a little bit of party you had. there was a clip. What was the day like for you in that moment? You got trapped in and everybody sort of erupted around you. Man, it was a day full of emotions, man.

Emotions all over the place, different emotions, those sort of things. So, I mean, overall, I mean, I was sitting there just waiting for my phone to ring, man. As soon as I seen what it was, you should have seen how fast I jumped out my seat. But, I mean, emotions are everywhere, everybody excited. I'm excited. I'm happy, man. You know, I feel like I'm in a great situation and a great position. I'll go to Jeff and then Dave.

Andrew, I guess you probably know that you're not the biggest size safety out there, but you still seem to play with a lot of physicality in college. You know, how did you offset perhaps what you lacked in size with still being able to be physical and to, you know, come down and meet guys against the run from the post? I mean, size never really, that never really bothered me, to be honest. I feel like, you know, how much I have weight or how tall I am, how big I am, I can still go out there and play the game at a physical level with a lot of physicalities. So, I mean, that never bothered me.

I mean, it is what it is. But, you know, I feel like despite everything, I still go out there and compete, go out there and play hard. And, you know, it be as physical as everybody else. So I don't, I feel like it doesn't bother me. It don't really matter to me. We'll go to Dave and then Jeff. Andrew, congratulations. What did this last year playing at Texas mean to you?

And two of your teammates, Jadae and Michael, what do they mean to you? How far do you guys go back? I mean, playing this last year at Texas was, you know, an honor, you know, and the blessing, to be honest, because, you know, I grew up in Austin, Texas. And, you know, from Austin, Texas growing up, all you know is hooked me a whole life. So, you know, just being able to do that at the highest level, and one of the best conferences in college, I mean, it was, it was definitely amazing. We'll go to Jeff and then Martin.

That's good. Andrew, congratulations. Get out of here, man. I saw when you left Clemson for Texas, you said you felt like you weren't getting better. Where did you feel like you needed to improve your game that year when you went to Texas? I mean, I'm going to go out of self-awareness. anybody who's ever been on the Zoom can relate to that situation.

I wasn't putting myself in situation position to be able to be successful. So, you know, I'm a guy that's very, very self-aware. I know what I had to do. And I know exactly, you know, what situation I wanted to be in for me to be able to succeed. So that's all it came down to.

Now, if it was me and I was the buddy, I mean, you know, Brooks. You know I'm trying to do something silly in that background. Oh, yeah, you wouldn't move. How do you see yourself fitting in in the Eagles secondary? I know you played both Nick Owen's

safety. I mean, do you see yourself like in one position, both? I mean, how do you see where you fit here? I mean, for me, you know, I'm an unselfish guy. So whatever, whatever is needed for the team, you know, at the moment, you know, like you said, I'm versatile. So I'm a guy that can come in and fill in whatever is needed at the time, whether that's near or safety. So, I mean, I'm just looking, I'm just looking forward to it. Whatever the coaches feel like is best fit for the team, then, you know, I'm willing to do that at a high level. we'll go to Brooks here. Hey, uh,

congrats, man. Um, you know, you're, your, your, your,

your most successful two years under, uh, Venables and Quidkowski, a couple of really inventive defensive guys. What did they, you know, in the way that they played defense on lock out of you coming up from safety, uh,

and just what were the, what were the things that you noticed that they had, and how they used you? Uh, I was throwing early, um, and I play it as a, true freshman. I had to learn a lot of the true

freshman. And I feel like helped me get to this point, you know, just going through that, seeing everything I've seen, being taught everything I was taught, you know, coming in, you know, I feel like, you know, that's just an advantage for me now, you know, coming in my last show.

You know, I felt like, you know, as far as like my football knowledge and everything, I was right where I needed to be it. But, you know, it was, it was amazing time. But I feel like I just learned a lot with my both places, and I feel like I'm still learning at this point. I've learned everything, but I've gotten a lot out of the D.C. as I've played for. We have time for two more, so we'll go to Ed and then Dave.

Yeah, congratulations, Andrew. I read where you were born in Zimbabwe, and you immigrated here when you were nine years old. What led you to football? How did you get into it? When was your first exposure with it? When I was 12, I was 6th grade, Me and my little brother, I always wanted to play football, but, you know, we couldn't make it happen very early, you know, due to, you know, different circumstances. But, you know, we finally got into football, me and my little brother. And then we just went on from there, you know, went through middle school, high school college. And obviously, I'm not at this point sitting in front of y'all.

But, I mean, football from the day I started watching it. And I always wanted to play. And once I got the chance to play, this was his. How old is your younger brother? And what's his name, if I could ask? Fah Mukuba. He's 19. He played receiver right now, Sam Houston.

Thank you. We'll end with Dave here. Hey, Andrew, obviously a unique background for you. I know you didn't, you were pretty young when you moved to the States, but how did that background kind of shape you as a person and as a football player? And I believe, you know, everything you go through, you know, I feel like that helps you and help you make who you are at the end. So then different things.

Just the little things, I feel like people don't see and people don't aren't as they should be. It's kind of like the main thing with me. But just learning out of the young age, I felt like, you know, I feel like that kind of, you know, helped me with my journey. As far as just staying level-headed, just working hard, dedication, you know,

everything that it takes to get to this point. Thank you, Andrew, for the time, and congrats again. Now, thank you so much. I appreciate that for having me on here. All right, there you have it. Andrew Mukuba. Good to hear from the young man. It will be a player worth rooting for,

whether you like the pick itself value-wise or not. I mean, yeah, one of seven kids immigrating from Zimbabwe when he was eight years old. What a story. Now he gets to live his dream with the Eagles. Fantastic. All right, the Eagles are now about six, seven picks away, as Caleb Ransaw,

the versatile two-lane defensive back goes off the board to the Jaguars, who have two picks in a row. They just traded up to 89, that will be interesting. Some other picks recently to make you aware of. Savion Williams, the sort of Leviska-Schanalt-esque wide receiver from TCU goes to the Green Bay Packers. So after losing to the Eagles in the playoffs, they felt like they needed to address the wide receiver position.

They go Matthew Golden in the first round, Savian Williams in the second or in the third round. That adds to their other guys. I don't think that's making you shaking your boots if you're an Eagles fan. The Chargers, Jamari Caldwell, the defensive tackle from Oregon, and that's about it recently.

So, Eagles are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven picks away. What are they going to do? I still think that they would like to add somebody on offense. keep shouting it. Maybe I'm just a moron. Oh, you're saying the Eagles should go scataboo. That would be interesting. They've already got one white running back. They think they need two.

Need to lead the league? Yeah, that's true. I mean, they could have exciting whites on both sides of the ball. Really zag when everybody else is digging. Offensive line-wise, we've already talked about Charles Grant from William and Mary. We've talked about Cameron Williams and Emery Jones. Caleb Rogers, I kind of like, from Texas. Tech had a really good short shuttle at the combine.

Sometimes that's indicative of success for offensive linemen. Marcus Bow, we've talked about from Purdue. People think he might have to move to center, but there's also a question about whether he could handle that. And then Jared Wilson, probably too small for the Eagles at this stage. Some wide receivers are interesting. Stanford's E.omino, Eo Menor. Jalen Lane from Virginia Tech, who Fran likes.

Isaiah Bond, if you're looking for somebody just, Fast from Texas. Ty Felton, your boy, Chris, from Maryland. And then they could go tight end if you want to be a little bit reachy with Mitchell Evans from Notre Dame or Gavin Bartholomew. As Wyatt Milam, who we talked about as a potential option for the Eagles, goes off the board at 89 to the Jacksonville Jaguars. And then on defense, there is probably more talent available still here.

Braden Swinson from LSU on the edge. Jordan Phillips, we talked about Joshua Farmer. think is interesting from Florida State, young player with really long arms and a little bit of pass rush upside. I could see that being the pick for the Eagles here. And then the problem is the position left with the most interesting talent available is still safety. Jonas Sanker, Xavier Watts, and even Billy Bowman on the board kind of makes the Mukuba pick look a little bit early, but I'm sure the Eagles still feel happy about that. Let's check out some of the super chats as we wait. Also, Bo, the sickos had another surprise for you while we wait for Fran

if you want to check out that box right next to you. This box next to me? Uh-huh. Uh-oh. We have a surprise from the sickos. It says to Bo, care of Julia Queen of the Universe. Air PHOI This is a This is really YouTube of us An unboxing What are we got here? Oh, this is

I was alerted That something was bought off the registry This is it This is the I believe the seat for the bath Oh nice Which is very nice I don't think I need to open it

I'm going to say I have a knife of you do But you can see the picture here The bath seat Cute For baby Leah Not quite ready for it yet, you know. Umbilical cord's got to come out first so you can get

in the submerged in water and then even before then you got to be able to sit up for the back. But excited to use it. Thank you very much. Very nice of the sickos. Very exciting. Mike Kurtz says, I said Zeeby's hands were small last night. They look so tiny in contrast and hands.

It's the water bottle. Lay off his hands. I mean, it's the biggest water bottle I've ever seen. Jordan Heller. Please shout out my man Mike. He loves you guys and is currently watching. He wants Kevin Winston Jr. I'm not going to read the B word, but he says, read that B out loud, Zach. Unfortunately, Kevin Winston Jr. off the board, the Eagles chose their safety, but we can shout out your man, Mike, anyway. Yummy Manass. Putting the ass in yummy menace says, how many shotguns to have Bow show some skin? I mean,

it depends on what skin we're talking about. But it's going to be a lot. Maverick 96. I always saw Tyler Steen as a tackle. His size seems to be more apropos to the outside, and that's where most of his time in college was spent. Why did he get shifted to the interior? This was, they chose, I mean, this is what they saw from him as a prospect that he would be best moving inside.

He is a little bit short-armed for tackle, but Brandon Lee Gowton has made this point before. I think some of the best we've ever seen Tyler Steen look has been when he's played tackle, and that was his training camp, his rookie year. And value-wise, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Tyler Steen was just your swing tackle able to back up both positions on game day.

But I don't think that you're looking at him as a starting caliber tackle. I am interested now to see, I think it's going to be a real, like, classic training camp head-to-head, right guard between Kenyon Green and Tyler Steen. Unfortunately, Tyler Steen has lost that battle already in last year's competition.

with Mackay Beckton, I think I would probably lean slightly turkeys-wise towards Kenyon Green winning that, but I'm not so sure. Brandon from New Jersey, the tight Dominican fade, Zach, much love. We appreciate the love for Zach's haircut. Petrus Melly says, Any Chance McCuba plays nickel and Dijin goes outside.

I think we did talk about that earlier. Fran addressed it. And yeah, I don't think you're moving him inside to make way for Cooper Dijian to the outside. although I do think that there's a good chance at some point in this draft. Eagles draft somebody who profiles more as a true slot corner to sort of replace Avanti Maddox. Ross L. Biggest surprise.

Eagles haven't addressed either line. Eagles haven't addressed the offense. Eagles didn't pull off a second trade. Which is my biggest surprise? I would say my biggest surprise of those three is that they didn't trade up in the second round, probably. Now you could argue that Jehad Campbell was addressing the defensive line. I thought big picture they would want to address the offense, but given the way the board was in the second round,

I'm not so surprised that they didn't do that in the second round. Ryan Madden says, a medical for Landon Jackson, too. He really is Josh Schwett. Not bad. Zach Berman's secret Kendall with a very generous 40-banger of a donation, says follow-up on Nola Restaurant Recommendations. He went to Giacomo's.

Surprised Zeebe would like a place that makes him literally walk through the kitchen, loud but awesome. So it's like Zach, one of Zach's favorite restaurants in the whole wide world. Danilo says, do you guys think that the last drafts are too tilted in the defense direction? I mean, I don't think that it's necessarily bad,

but I think it's not ideal. I think they would like it to be a little bit more balanced out. It's just not the way that the board has worked as Josiah Stewart, the Michigan Edge, goes off the board to the Los Angeles Rams. We have another super chat from Zach Berman's secret Kendall who says, what N7, what a cool looking place. So many lanterns must have reminded him of Charlottesville.

Okay, we'll move on. Tyler says ZB, can we get your top five Richards? Fran, who's your favorite Richard? Richard Dent. Okay, that's a good one. Richard from Frenz. Okay. Tom Selleck.

Richard, Louis. Richard Lewis. That's a good one. Dick Rod Richard Rogers I'll leave him off the list Keith Richards Mike Richards

Mike Richards Ricker Scott DeBrenna Ricky Ricardo Ricker Ricardo good one Richard Williams Serena and Venus's dad Here you go Good one

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Good to see you Sorry I left you hanging here. I didn't know how long you've been. That's kind of fun. I guess like 15 minutes because that's just one of it. Good thing we had a lot of super chats to talk about. Thank you everybody for the super chats. We're closing in here, Fran.

Yes. Ravens on the clock at 91, which is should be. No Shador yet, huh? The Ravens should take Shador. That's the place to go. Let him be Lamar's backup. What if the Eagles take him? What if the Eagles take him?

What if the Eagles take him? Emery Jones Jr. going off the board to the Ravens. He would have been on my short. list, I think, for the Eagles. Yeah. We were talking about him. All right, let's play the name game. Name game.

Shador, listen, wouldn't that be a lot of fun? I don't know. I guess to find fun. Do you think that the Colorado Buff show would move to Philadelphia if they drafted Shador? Sure. Oh, a quarterback just went. Really? Milro.

Milro went to Seattle. Milro to Seattle. That's interesting. That's fun for them. Yeah. But another quarterback before Shador. Yeah. I, listen, I, I don't really like the,

the framing that I saw today, which is like, oh, this, Shador didn't fall. Everybody's saying he's falling. This is just everybody catching up to what the NFL thought of him. I don't think that that's true. And it goes to the Jackson Dart conversation we had yesterday.

Even if, even if people were overvaluing how early Shadur was going to go, it was pretty consensus. This was the number two quarterback in the class. class, right? And I do think that the Dion of it all has probably affected his draft stock a little bit. But if you're the Eagles, part of the reason that you would be scared off of him would be, well, if he's the starting quarterback, you know, this is going to be such a circus.

Dion's going to be talking all week long. This guy's coming in expecting everything. If he has to come in as a backup to the Super Bowl MVP. like it's a bit of a different situation. I agree with that. I think it's just that the Eagle, I think if the Eagles didn't have Tanner McKee, I think they probably would draft Shador Sanders,

but I think they already feel very good about their backup quarterback. I think that's true. I agree with most of what you're saying. I agree, especially with the media framing. I think that when you look at the way, any conversation that I've had with NFL personnel over the course of going into the season,

during the season, this off season, hasn't been like, oh, he's going to, he might fall to day three, but it was he's not a top 10 type of talent. So, you know, I think when you factor everything else in, not just the deon of it all, because I don't,

I think you do have to put some of it on, you know, how this whole process is gone. I think that's fair. You know, I mean, I think back to, you know, I think it was Field Yates, like mocked him falling to like the,

Saints at 9 in February, like right before the Combine. Right. And Shador like quote tweeted it and it was like, oh, that's cap and like, I'm not falling that far. And like it was like everybody like, you know, and it's like, I think that there was a an understand, there was a thought going in of what his value was. And I think the way they approached like Combine and the way they approached like the interview process evolved from that point until a few weeks ago.

So do you think that there was a complicity from the. draft media to not, to prop up Shadur only because they didn't want blowback if they, if they thought that he was actually going to fall back. They didn't, they didn't want people to yell at them. Yeah. I mean, I can't speak for, I can't speak for every single person to draft media. You think there were some people who were I think there's some, yeah, just going along to get along. I mean, but that's the case with all of it. That's the case. You know, I think that, uh, uh, there are many, there are a lot of people in draft media that might watch a player and say like, I watch him. I don't know, but everybody else says he's the first round

man. Or everybody else says he's a top 10 picks. So I'm going to put him there because I'm not going to deviate from the group think of it. Which, you know, that's that's our prerogative, I guess. There are other people that have watched them and maybe they have a relationship with Dionne Sanders. Deon Sanders is obviously very prominent in the media, former player, has a lot of relationships. He was a kid. They talk about him as a player. And so it's a unique situation.

And honestly, like, I think it's unfortunate. It's unfair to Shador, in one respect. I think he could have handled it better. He's also, yeah, I think he could have handled the process better. He's handled the last 24 hours pretty well, it seems like, for everything I've seen. I'm sure he doesn't feel great about it, but hopefully that it's something that can be a motivating factor for him moving forward. All right, let's, let's, we've got Zach, Mr. Berman coming in from the NovaCare Complex. Good to see you, my friend.

Best host in the city, man. I'm sorry I left you stranded there. You were so for longer than I would have liked you to be. I'm sorry. Totally fine. This is draft weekend, baby. We all got to make plays. But that's,

that's, Justin Wally went? Justin Wally went. Wow. Yes. No, it is Justin Wally. It is not Wally Justin. See,

okay. And I really missed the, so like when we first brought up Justin Wally, I missed the boat on making like fun. So I say Justin Wiley, I was like, wow. And instead of, wow,

because doesn't it? I don't like, see, like, a lot of, I've missed opportunity there with the Wally jokes. All right, let's narrow it on some names as the Eagles are now three or four picks away, depending on if this pick has been made yet. Again, it is funny that safety is the best place to go right now with Jonas Sanker and Xavier Watts still there.

But that's how it turned out. If they were going to go corner, you love Tommy Hill, who's there, but it's probably not expected to go quite this early. Upton Stout. We talked about as a potential Eagles type fit. Probably a nickel corner only though. But I think that makes sense for them.

And then Denzel Burke from Ohio State. I think those are probably unlikely. I don't think they're drafting a linebacker right now after Jahad Campbell. Defensive line, Joshua Farmer, I think would make some sense from Florida State. Young, long arms.

Ty Robinson, old, but explosive. Very old. Cam Jackson from Florida is a specific type of player. That would be sort of your Jordan Davis backup or replacement. And then Jordan Phillips we talked about from Maryland. And then on the edge, it has been picked over a little bit there. Braden Swinson from LSU.

I mean, it's probably too early for Elijah Roberts. Yeah. Right? So nothing's super exciting there. I think maybe Farmer would be the most interesting. I think so. Real quick, Sanker off the board. Sanker off the board.

And Cleveland just traded up. Okay, you think they're gonna drafts your door here? No. Do you have it? Yeah. Is it Jack Sawyer? No, it's Dylan Gabriel. No!

What a, man, what a shot to. What a shot to Shador. Oh, man. Wow. Dylan Gabriel is old and teeny tiny. Yeah, man. Wow. I mean, I have like goosebumps like that.

That is crazy. Man. And that's not the league speaking right there, right? Like, not to say the league. Like. Like. But so like when something like this happens, though, that's what I mean. Like this is.

Yeah. I mean, and with everybody watching. Yeah. Like, how do you respond? It's not. It's not Mel Kuiper's fault. You know, it's not.

It's a, this is. Man, that is crazy. Wow. Yeah. What a scoop out of you, too. Wow. Wow. Wow.

And they had to trade up for him. Yeah, they traded up for him. Wow. What did you say, Zach? I said, Franz, you got to tweet that out. Get somebody. The show is the show. The show is not Twitter.

Yeah, it's out now. It's true. Okay. I do think, ideally, they would like to draft an offensive lineman here. So, there are options there. Yeah. Of Charles Grant. Miles Frazier

Cameron Williams Marcus Boe Caleb Rogers who do you think makes the most sense I'm throwing Jared Wilson to the side yeah

Jared Wilson is the highest grade of that group but yeah put it aside I don't think that that makes a ton of sense there I personally would go

Charles Grant that's who I would be partial to I know Zach would be in favor of that he was in in Jack's mock draft I think it's an athletic tackle that has a lot of traits

smaller school, developmental type, needs to get stronger, techniques got to improve, didn't participate in the pre-draft process due to injury. So he wasn't at the Senior Bowl, didn't work out at the combine, but you watch him on film

and you see light feet, you see long arms, you see the ability to be a starting quality tackle. He just did it at a lower level. So getting him with Jeff Stoutland, I think would make a lot of sense. Okay.

We talked, when you were gone, we talked about Cameron Williams as like just a ball of clay to give to Jeff Stoutland, like nobody's built like, this guy, but there's a lot of work to be done. How would you feel about that potential fit? Yeah, it's, that's a, he's a player that early on last fall, you're watching.

And it's his first year as a starter. And it was like, oh, like he looks like he could be a first round pick. The running joke that I've had, like, since, since you started asking me the question, another penalty flag has been thrown on camera, on Cameron Williams. He just had a lot of issues with flags, giving up a lot of pressures. as the season went on, it feels like he kind of lost some steam there. I was frankly very surprised that he declared for the draft. I thought that he was, as soon as the, we got down close to the playoff time,

and I'm watching the struggles he had. I'm like, he's going to go back. He's not going to enter this class. And he ends up declaring, didn't work out of the combine. He lost a ton of weight. He was down to like, what did he weigh in at an indie? He weighed in, it was like 320, 310. I'll pull up the number real quick.

He was as high as 380 at one point. Yes. So he was 360 in high school. You know, I talked to some people who said he was like close to 400. And like even last year before became become a starter. He was in the, you know, yeah, he was like closer to 380. And so then he got down. He was 335 this past season.

Lost weight for 317 at the combine. Put the weight back on for the pro day. wasn't testing in between. So it's just, I don't know, that's like red flag-ish, like for guys that have those weight. It was like losing weight, then putting it back on. And when you pair that with the play, only one year starting experience,

I'd rather take a bet on Grant personally. So the interviews, all that to say, you meet with Cameron Williams at the Combine, you meet with him at the Pro Day, you know, whatever that is. You get Chef Stout on a Zoom call with him because he was not a reported 30 visit, right? You get him on the horn, you see,

all right, like, what is this kid made of? Can we try and get him into our building and develop them? Interesting. All right.

So, off the board. Who's that? Wilson off the board at New England. Which Wilson? I think it would be the Georgia Wilson.

Oh. So if that's the case, that means the Eagles are on the clock. I think they traded out. Oh, they traded out. I think they trade it out. I think they trade it out.

The Eagles traded. Yep. Fran has the Eagles trading out from 96. You're getting that here first, people. You're not getting that anywhere else. Yeah, Fran and Zach have this thing on lock.

Yeah, Eagles traded out. Fran says the Eagles are trading out, which, frankly, looking at the board to me makes sense. We'll see how far they're going back. Yeah, so that's the Georgia Center. Wilson went. Oh, Jared Wilson. Yeah, I guess. Jared Wilson.

I mean, Eagles move to 101. You two guys are just rocking and rolling. Yeah, so the Eagles move back to 101. 101 is still in the third round. The second and last kick of the round. All right. Yes. So Atlanta moves up.

I don't know with what I have any issue but Atlanta moves up I like trading with Atlanta I hope it's for a future pick yeah true it's the second right Atlanta Atlanta sent their

2007 first in order to move up five spots in the third round here all right good job by the Eagles way to go Howie you know what I'm going to make this I'm going to make this our

Golden Nugget hidden gem Because the Eagles are going to pick up something from moving down one, two, three, four, five spots in the third round. And that little hidden gem is going to turn into something like a diamond baby. Howie Roseman does it again.

The Falcons take Xavier Watts. So they trade up to take Watts. Xavier Watts. All right. Let's see. Does the, let me ask you this, from a hidden gem perspective, does the way that the safety position

has played out after the Mukuba pick changed the way that you feel about it? No, because you still you still got, you had your pick of the safeties. So I guess it shows conviction. Right. It shows conviction in their evaluation.

Yes. But, you know, that's the big one. To say like, oh, they could have waited now, but obviously that that is not the case. Right. Unless Billy Bowman, is your cup of tea. That's probably a little early for Billy Bowman. Death of a safety. So, yeah, so the question is, too, if you liked Watts,

and again, this is not even evaluation. This is an evaluation from the Eagles. They clearly viewed Mukuba as the second, or is the third best safety in the draft. But you could have gone a different position at 64 and drafted Watts in the third round based on the way the board fell. Correct.

You obviously don't know that at the time, but this is, you know, these are the types of scenarios you discuss in real time. Interesting. All right. So we're still counting down here. Thank you to the good folks and golden nugget jewelers for setting us up for that Howie Roseman, hidden gem.

We're going to find out what the Eagles do with that and what the return is. A 2026th, fifth round pick is what the Eagles get. for moving back five spots. I mean, I would have liked a little more hooch this year, but that's fine. Probably use that. Go ahead.

So now the Eagles are back to 19 picks over this two-year period because they traded a fifth yesterday. So they were down to 18. And now they're down the talking point with the national media has been like 20 picks in the first, you know, in these two years. They were actually 19. Now they're down to or now they're back up the 19.

Can I tell you? what has bothered me about the framing here that like every national reporter says about the Eagles picks. Yeah. They don't even have enough roster spots for these guys to make the roster. They're so loaded that if they use these picks, those guys aren't going to make the team.

Yeah, that's how it works. Not just that. And also, like you're getting more bites. Like, maybe one guy doesn't make the team, but one guy who you thought wasn't going to make the team turns into be a starter. Like, give me a break. Oh, there's not a lot for them to make the team.

No, but they'll just trade back from 26 to 27, too, right? Like, if they have 11 picks going into next year, they'll either trade up, you know, players or they'll trade back to get the add to their 27, you know, inventory. It's not like next year is the last draft. True. It's also a good point. Yeah. So, yeah.

What national media member are you right there? All of them. Just like a coagulation of everybody. Here's the thing. Watch out for the Eagles. They could be active on this draft weekend because they've got so many picks that all those rookies

couldn't even make the team. Great. All right. Xavier Watts goes. So still, this is talking about the same guys. We didn't move over to the skill position players

if the Eagles, we're going to go there. Yeah. Eo Manor. Eo Manor. Eo Manor. It's Eo Manor. Eo Manor.

Yes. Okay, thank you. Jaylen Lane, who you love. Yeah. From Virginia Tech is interesting. Isaiah Bond, if you want, just speed. The tight ends, like you could go Mitchell Evans. You could go

Jake Briningstool if you want to get spicy, but I don't think that's super interesting. No. And then I guess you were that, you could go running back. Like, but that doesn't make a lot of sense, right? No. You could go, you could go tooting, a scataboo,

but I feel like it's offensive line. I agree. Just look at the board. This feels like offensive line. Unless it's one of these corners. Yeah, or I do think farmer is a possibility. Zach, how you feeling? I feel great.

I mean, I feel bad that I left you stranded, then the Eagles didn't, you know, then they traded back. I could have waited. That was fun. But no, I really am curious to see over time how this two-year period goes. I'm sorry, how this. Jalen Smith drafted by the Texans, a player who was considered a day three guy, the Eagles brought in for a pre-draft visit, the USC corner.

Texans traded up for him. Yeah, how this day two unfolds. And what I mean by that is, in theory, the combination, she could have been Harold Fenton Jr. and Xavier Watts, right? I don't know what they're going. We'll see what they do with their next pick. We'll see what they do with that fifth rounder that they get next year. But I understand their board is different than a consensus board, but they did take Makuba higher than consensus, right? So if we are praising the Jahad Campbell pick the night before for the tremendous value relative to consensus, they took Makuba higher than consensus with, you know,

the 64 pick in the draft. So, and, you know, it's, it's not as if, it's not as if this was the clear third best safety in the class. To a certain extent, it is like the Sydney Brown pick a few years ago, right? When the Eagles took Sydney Brown, Sydney Brown was, was kind of, it was, there had not been a run on on safeties. I think Brown, correct me if I'm wrong, was the second safety. taken that year? Is that right?

So, yeah, there was like a handful of safeties. And so this is a matter of evaluation here. Valuation is always a part of it, but the Eagles are clearly evaluating MacCuba a certain way. And, you know, Xavier Watts doesn't have the same athletic profile, but he is someone who

is considered more like, you know, just, I don't want to say pro-ready because Makuba is known for that too, but maybe the safer pick. Well, it's also interesting in thinking about the C.J. Garner-J. Johnson trade because part of the selling point for trading C.J. Garner Johnson is we don't think a safety is worth this money, right? We got to save the money. But that means that you're sort of devaluing the position. If you then use a second round pick on it, it's sort of a mixed message, right? Like, we do care about this position, a position that is very difficult.

to judge coming out of college. And so you're willing, you're willing to put your second round pick on the line for it, but you're not willing to pay $10 million for it. Cash, a cash issue. Yeah, but

only because he wants a new deal and you don't have to give it to him. Wow. Yeah. I think it's, I think it's interesting context in thinking back on that trade because I think it makes the

cash only explanation for it really not pass muster. Either that or the Eagles just need to save as much money as possible, and it's more than just the cap. Right. Who always tell me that the draft, the great thing about the draft is they tell the truth, right?

They can say what they want, but in the draft, they tell the truth. So the Eagles could sit there and say, well, he took Sydney Brown high, he deserves a chance to compete to start, but then you spend a 64 overall pick on a safety, right? Now, so clearly you're, you know, I mean, either the player you drafted with a top 70 picked three years ago doesn't have a path to start or the guy you drafted 64 overall this year doesn't have a path to start. One or the other, you're not getting like the value that, you know, you draft the Sydney Brown to start.

You draft him with Cuba to start. Two years into Sydney Brown's career, you can't be making your decisions based on having used a third round pick for him. I'm also willing to buy that safety is a position that is specifically scheme dependent or coordinator dependent. And so, I mean, we learned last year that Vic doesn't love Sidney Brown. You know, maybe he'll be impressed by what he does this offseason. Right. But it didn't happen last year. And so if you're asking Vic to get rid of C.J. Garner Johnson and he sort of gets to pick his guy.

That sort of seems like what has happened here. I just mean you were never the one buying, I don't want to say, spin, but the idea that like they, they want Sydney Brown to have this, this path to start, right? And if they had taken a safety in the fourth round, then I would say, like, no, they want Sidney Brown. They want to stack the deck for Sidney Brown to win the job, right? But if you take a safety at 64 overall, that's certainly not the case.

Like you put 85 turkeys, I think you said, on MacCuba starting. So I think that speaks volumes. All right. We're going to take our last quick break here as the Eagles pick approaches because it's coming fast. We'll do it real quick. I was reading some national reports earlier and I'm seeing people tweet things like, if the Eagles might move around this week, you've got to consider that they don't have enough picks for these to make the roster. My name's Ray ESPN.

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slash p.hly today to get started. That's timeline.com slash p. H.L. All right. So very interesting during that break, because we thought that maybe the Eagles were hoping to take an offensive lineman here. The Raiders back-to-back picks. Caleb Rogers from Texas Tech and Charles Grant from William and Mary, both guys off the board. Yeah, Charles Grant was a player. sorry go ahead Zach yeah Charles Grant was a player that that um the Eagles brought in for a visit that I thought made a lot of sense for them and so uh clearly when the Eagles moved down from where

they were they they had a a number of players and uh they might be trading back again here we'll see at uh at pick 101 because uh I wonder too if they're trading back again because they want to Charles Grant. But. Right. Right. Maybe so. Maybe so.

Upton stout to the San Francisco 49ers. Oh. Another potential target there, as you mentioned. Sounds like they're moving back again. I don't know. That feels to me like they missed their guy. Maybe. Or they just got a big, big offer.

Maybe they thought, it's possible even they thought we want one of these two guys. One of them will be there five picks later. And they both went. I think that's possible. Possible. Both of them kind of fit. And you wouldn't have never.

I absolutely thought because both of them went to the same team. The reapers took both of them back to back. Yeah. So as he said, hmm. And otherwise, in Marcus Bo, there's some questions about him as a,

like, yeah, just like the position. Yeah, like, you know, the interview, how the interview go,

that kind of deal. So that's part of the reason why. Miles Frazier from LSU mentioned. Yep. But yeah, I think we'll get, we'll get the official word shortly, but it certainly does sound like they're moving back

again. I'm honestly, I'm honestly okay with that, uh, here just kind of looking at the board. Um, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm okay with a trade back in this spot. Well, we got, we got, we got, we got, we got straight reporting the, uh, from cause. The eagles are moving back 10 spots. They're trading 101 and 1.34 for 11, 130 and 1.91. Denver. So they move up, they move on, they move up four spots. They're moving back 10. They're only moving up four in the 130s, and then they're picking up a sixth? Yeah.

They pick up an extra pick. That's like a parachute down. That's like we just want to get out of here. Yeah. Yeah. Picking up an extra dart is what you did. Yeah, but that's like this is not a deal that was too good to pass up.

This is like, we don't want to pick here. Yep. Yep. We're going to regroup tomorrow. Yeah. We don't like how this night has worked out for us. we're going to get back to the drawing board. Wow, you got to wonder.

I mean, all they're picking up, this is a, it's crazy chart-wise. Hold on, let me add this up. Go ahead. Yeah, no, you got to wonder if they had one of those offensive linemen targeted. That's what it reads like to me. Wow.

And that, so then that's bad process then, from my perspective, like is the fifth round. or next year worth it that much. Yeah. Now, we're just seeing what the numbers look like. I mean, at the end of the day, I think sometimes the way the teams are starting to look at this as well is the difference in value, regardless of what the value charts will say in terms of like, like a, if we're getting it literally, if I can put it up real quick, dark throw,

like it's almost like a negligible difference. Like it's a, it's a, it's such a minute difference. Right. It's, it's almost like, all right, let's just take the extra throw. It is, you know, by the Rich Hill chart, it's a slight favor in the Eagles perspective. Go ahead. Zach, you need to leave. Howie's going?

Yeah, I'm heading up. I'm heading up to Howie right now. I will, are we chatting afterwards, or are we just going to catch up tomorrow and everything? I think we will do a, same thing we did last night. We'll do a video with you that will go up on the P-H-O-Y YouTube page when you're done, but we will not see you again for the rest of this show. Perfect. I appreciate it.

We'll have a better show tomorrow. Look forward to it. Thank you very much. Yeah, I mean, listen, I don't think that the team, the Super Bowl defending champions, having lost as many players as they did and not done as much in free agency as they did, is super happy coming out of the first two rounds of the draft with just Jehad Campbell and Andrew Mukuba. Yeah, I mean, if they take a different safety, you feel different about it? if they took Sanker

or if they took Kevin Winston I don't feel that differently about it it's about the position it's about like those are third round each got now listen you're at 64 it's the last pick the second round so you're talking about third rounders yeah when we knew

but I if they weren't going to make a third round pick I'm surprised they didn't move up in the second to get a more impact player obviously they think Mukuba is an impact player yeah and maybe they also may have tried and just didn't get it in bites It's possible. That's also possible. Certainly true. Yeah.

This is the kind of hall you would have expected if they had moved up to 22 for Jehad Campbell. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. But so like the fortune of not having to move up that high for Jehad Campbell didn't really turn out to net them anything here. Yeah. This is also the tough part. You know, I was jumping on with the, you know, with like DLS.

LLS. It's like, oh, they got Chavon Revel, like early part of the third round. you know, Arizona, you know, they, you know, they, you know, they get Jordan Birch, like middle of the third round. It's like, you get players where it's like, all right, they, you make that round turn, whereas like the Eagles, are they, they take McCuba at the end of round two. Yeah, it's time to slug a few back.

Paps Light, baby. Yeah. I would say that this has not been an ideal, it's not, it's not an ideal haul, but I also kind of think that they were, they were not stuck. Stuck's not the right word because obviously, you are, you are in control. There were never great situations. Right. I mean, would you feel better about this if they had drafted Lennon Jackson

and then Xavier Watts in the third round with that pick that they had? Wouldn't that feel a lot better? Yeah, I mean, I would like it more because that's the, those are the grades I had, but we don't know what the grades are. Of course not. Of course not. I think it's okay to be a little bit underwhelmed. Sure.

They just won the Super Bowl. Sure. It's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree with that. I agree with that. But I don't think it's a, oh, man, they screwed this up. I think it's a,

it kind of is what it is. This was a bad draft and we got stuck in a bad spot. Right. But, you know, last year, we said it after the weekend,

players aside, this was Howie's best job moving around the board ever. Yeah. And I think that was true. And I think that helped bear out how successful the picks were. Right.

Yeah. I think this has been, you know, it's certainly not as good, maybe not as best. It could have been worse because they could have traded up to 22. It could have been worse. They could have traded up to 22.

Right. Yeah. Yeah, this double move down here, I do kind of feel like they got pipped on either Charles Grant or Caleb Rogers or one of the two. I would imagine he'll get asked about that now. So we'll see what that answer is. So I'll keep an eye out on Twitter and see. Interesting. All right. We will take it through the end of this round.

Although I guess there's only one more pick. Savian Jones, the edge from LSU goes to the Broncos with the pick. that they traded up for the Eagles to take, and now the Vikings will close out the third round with some old man making the pick. Jeez. Oh, my gosh. Stu Voight.

Is that him? It's Tyler Schock. Darius Alexander making the pick for the Vikings here. Brandon Weedman. Oh, Ty Felton. There you go, Chris. I kind of like Ty Felton. I don't know if I like him.

like Fulton too. Yeah. He's in a good bucket. Yeah. I think. Let me double check. All of his production was in the first like six games. Really? The teams were just like, yeah, they're not doing this anymore. Oh, he's not in that good. Well, he's yeah, right. No, no, he's not. No, he's in an okay bucket for late guys, not early round guys. Okay. Early round meaning by day two. First two rounds. Not a good bucket. This is the Devante Smith, but this is a place where there have been some late round hits. Okay.

Although the problem is most of them have been small school guys. John Brown, Tyrie Kill, Adam Thielen, Tyler Lockett,

T.Y. Hilton, Emmanuel Sanders. Got it. All right. So we got thousands of people watching still.

Yeah? Who do you want tomorrow? People are in the chat. Who do you want? How high did we get up concurrent viewers?

I saw it's 20th. That's not bad. That was pretty good. That's pretty good. We still got some superchats to go through. Let's do that. Let's go check out those super chats. Vinny T.

ZB's got Trump hands Mukuba. Okay. We'll move on. Okay, Max Legroom. That's not Zach. That's the bottle. That's the water bottle.

Okay, Max Legroom. Beer money well spent on these super chats. Love for the new wolf. Wolflet. ZB's great Jahad Campbell article and Fran's draft expertise all month long. I know that's right. Thank you very much.

The problem is, Fran, they're going to keep trading out and we're going to have this wonderful event on May 6th. You're only going to have two guys to watch. Which, by the way, the, we are sold out of the May 6th. Well, we've opened up a few spots.

So we only have a few spots left now on that. And I'll tell you what, I don't think that there are any two better positions that you sort of need to watch the film. Yeah. than linebacker and corner and safety, especially with Fran. I feel like I, I feel like I just saw a mouse go across the floor. Oh, yep, I see it.

I see a mouse. Oh, it's on the felt. Ah, gross! They're in the girls room now. Oh, they're not. One of them in the women's room. Oh no, get us out of here We need to take this super jet money and get a new office

CDP help Oh my god Oh no They were pissed about the trade out They were running around like it's their freaking playground So I'll protect the Santucci's Oh Oh

Oh, no. Left go. I mean, I don't want the mice coming on the show. It went right into the woods. They love the Macuba pick. Oh, yeah. I'll tell you what, though.

Change the direction on that mouse. Pretty good. Bend the edge as well. I mean, he's still just sitting down in a quarter, right? Mouskate, 2025. Unbelievable. You okay?

Yeah, I'm fine, but like, what the hell? Polar Jam just said $4. She said for mousetraps. Maggie Polar Jam. Oh, Brina. Brave Brina. She's saving our bags. Oh, my gosh.

Into the fire. I'm going to bring my cat tomorrow. Your gat? My cat? So I'll do that too. I'll bring my gat. I'll bring the cat in tomorrow. Yeah, live rounds.

All right, let's keep going through these super chats. Shart Gallery says earnestly thanks for the great coverage this weekend. You're welcome, Shard Gallery. My wife's favorite part

has been the Zee-B-Water updates. DJ, aka Mr. Sandman, Shador Sanders, is better than Tanner McKee on a cheap rookie contract. I mean, I don't agree because I love Tanner McKee, but I mean, I think someone's going to get good value with Schroder now. I was saying before they trade it out again, I was like, it's becoming more of a real possibility that they would just take them. Yeah. Why not?

Yeah. But I think a lot of, every team in the league is having that discussion like right now or within the next 30 minutes. It's one of those. I wouldn't be surprised if someone trades up to the top of the second or to the top of the fourth round. It's one of those ones. We're like, we can't do this now. We haven't really talked about it. Yeah. But we're going to have a meeting about it and then like someone's going to go get him. Yep. Kind of like Matt Barkley when the Eagles did that. Remember that? Of course. Uh, pita fish.

Honestly, there's some similarities there. Yeah. Yeah, everybody was so worried about the distraction of Mark Berkeley's dad. Mr. Barclay, of course. Charles. Uh, pita fish. When a player like Shador falls, does his agent or his dad contact teams to lobby for him?

or is that to Jerry McGuire. Thanks, love the show. What do you think, Fran? I think he's back channeling. A lot of that stuff has happened already. And that's why, you know, I mentioned earlier, like talking with people that were close to Shador. Like, they knew coming in today,

like they were keeping their fingers crossed that it was going to be Cleveland or Pittsburgh. And when Pittsburgh got up in the third round and it was Caleb Johnson, like, man, and like Cleveland traded back up. And I was like, oh, like, maybe this is it. And that didn't happen again. At that position, it is,

Typically, it becomes like a matchmaking thing where it's like, okay, this, these three teams are Shador Sanders teams. These four teams are Tyler Shuck teams. These three teams are Jackson Dart teams. So you start kind of weeding out, like, all right, who's going to get who? And eventually, like, the chairs kind of run out. Cleveland trading out for Dylan Gabriel is really tough, man. That's brutal. This is not a scenario where it's like, oh, only two quarterbacks went.

Like five, or is it five? Five now, right? Chuck and Millrow and Gabriel that is that is crazy that's crazy Roger E tons of picks take your guy versus trading back

I mean they do have a lot of picks they could have moved back I mean obviously it tells you they didn't love anybody and so you take the picks you take more of the dark throws I never I never mind trading back like I love

the idea of like I got more players I've spent time and it is usually plus EV to trade back that is usually the better deal. I just think to come out of this with only two picks and your second rounder is more of a consensus, third rounder, not ideal.

That's okay. Yeah. So what are we looking at? So tomorrow we got... We got two more superchats first. Daniel Moormack, the CJ, GJ trade was a disaster. Round one was a win since then disaster. Brutal offseason.

I agree. Fold the franchise. I think it's done. Disaster is probably. strong. Leah Wolf has never seen an Eagle Super Bowl win in her lifetime. It's beyond time

for the Eagles to get this right. Yeah. Been saying it for four days. Enough is enough. Enough is enough. You know, five days in. She doesn't even seem to win a game. Roheat. Do you think they didn't want to trade up

or they were priced out in the second round potentially? It's impossible to say. Yeah. It's also, you know, maybe there were two or three guys that they would have gone up for, but those guys all went early in the second round

and we're out of, out of the way. Yeah. Roger E. ZB water bottle and an exterminator. He's given him $2. Thank you. And then Vince,

Jalen Lane is my pick at 1-11. No mention the moisture. Conveniently left off the message. I can't get over the, of them just playing it like chasing each other one was running from the other one and Holly was a female hence why she went into the bathroom to get away from the man she's like I'll be safe in here I do respect that the other one respected that privacy yeah the second one didn't follow the first one into the bathroom that's nice not

a creep yeah yeah playing the waiting gate 888 likes 888 beautiful okay okay yeah so for tomorrow The Eagles now. Let's see if we can get the full lay of the land of their picks. They have. Let's see. They will start off the fourth round with pick 111. The ninth pick in the round.

The ninth pick in the round. They'll also have pick 28 in the round, number 130 overall. Nicely, are you guys, Brinney have banged out this graphic? Unbelievable, Brenna. While she's defeating mice in hand-to-hand combat, she's also banging out these graphics. right away. I can't believe it.

They have three fifth round picks, 161, 165, and 168, and they now have a sixth round pick, 191. Let's get a Brenna. Bren up. Bren up. Bren up. Last night was Chris's night with the shotgun tonight and Brennan's night. Every night is Julia's night.

All right. Could have been worse. It could have been rats. Yeah, that would have been worse. I would have walked out. It could have been skunks. It could have been bats. I would have preferred bats.

I mean, the skunks would be worse than bats. Was a bat worse than a rat? No. Yeah, I would agree. I would rather have a bat than a rat. Yeah. I was at the combine one year. Right?

I was at the time of the combine one year. This always happens to me on these trips where I go away and like a terrible storm comes through and the morning after I leave and like siding is falling. falling off the house and now Meg has to handle it because I'm not there right it was like one of the last days or it's your birth it's her birthday and it's the first night of the NFL draft that happens that happens uh once every five years six years um but I'm there and I get a call like it was like three calls in a row at like 630 in the morning and I for I wake up late light of the combine I wake up and I'm like oh my go like what happened I call her she'd come downstairs

and she went to open the door and she was like and a bat flew out of the curtain and it flew past my head. My father lost coming over. I'm like, I'm sorry. She was like, when are you coming home? I'm like, not until later tonight. Like, you know, it turns out it was, it was a mouse that was in the curtain

and jumped off the curtain when she opened it. Oh. She thought it was a bat. She was more worried about it being a bat. The cat took care of the mouse, thankfully. Oh. It was a years ago. I would rather have a bat than a rat.

I agree. Thousand percent. Peckness, migrate. Bat, rat, cat. I guess I'm nesting the cat. Nesting the cat. Pecking the bat. Migrating the bat or migrating the rat.

Okay. That's probably right. Timmy tat, Timmyton. the watermelon hat. Yeah. Okay. I guess that'll do it. For night two of the P.H.O.I. Eagles

draft show. We're back tomorrow the whole time. So now the Eagles have a sixth round pick. So you know we're going to go at least to the sixth round, unless they trade it up. But we'll be starting right at noon. When the proceedings begin, Eagles set to have the ninth pick of that round.

Anything that you feel like they're going to sort of hit tomorrow. And they got six. Yeah, they got six picks. I would imagine looking at my board right now, players that are available. I feel like there's a glut of receivers, you know, early on. I know Vince mentioned Jalen Lane.

I think that would make some sense. Torrey Horton, wide receiver from Colorado State. I think that's a surplus value pick. You know, this is a guy that missed most of the year with an injury, you know, probably goes tonight if he's healthy. Or is they a bond if you just want speed? Yeah, I just wonder with a,

The accusation's thrown at him. Oh, I don't know. What did I mean? Oh, yeah, you might have missed it in the last day. Well, then I'll pass on that. Yeah, I think so. I think you would definitely pass on that. Okay.

There's a lot of running backs available? A lot of running backs. Scadaboo is available. There's a ton of running backs. Yeah, a ton of running backs available. A ton of, well, you're probably not taking a linebacker again. Corner, plenty of corners. Plenty corners.

Plenty of tight ends now. If you were just looking for a guy. Yeah, take my guy Jackson Hawes Mm hmm Some edges So something out of the periphery Yeah, I see that's how I see You just see a little bit of movement where there shouldn't be movement

Yeah, I mean there's we're now we're getting to the point where it does start to level out again Yeah, okay like these are these are all honestly I'm sitting here as we're going through like late round two and into round three I'm like I don't know if I love this guy here. I don't know if I love this guy there Yeah, draft kind of is what it is yeah, okay We'll have more coverage on the PHLY YouTube page coming up after the show. We're going to do a little guys to watch with Fran like we did today. And then we're going to have the download from Zach Berman after he talks to Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani about everything they did on night two. But until tomorrow at noon, we thank you very much for enjoying your Friday evening night two of the draft with us for all of us here at PHLY for Chris Brenna, Julia, Zach, Fran.

and of course the two mice I'm Bo we'll talk to you tomorrow and as always we love you