PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles offseason: Will Howie Roseman bring Darius Slay back to LOADED CB room?

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

The Eagles have a litany of decisions to make this offseason, from pending free agents like Zach Baun and Milton Williams to potential veteran cap casualties like Dallas Goedert and Darius Slay. With Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper DeJean, plus Kelee Ringo, already in tow, will Roseman look to move on from Darius Slay? Will Slay take a hometown discount to return to the Birds?Zach Berman and Bo Wulf go through each position group to determine the top priorities for Howie Roseman while continuing to unpack the hiring of Kevin Patullo as offensive coordinator. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What are the Eagles biggest offseason priorities at each position? We're going to figure that out next on the PHLY Eagles podcast with Zach Berman as we continue to unpack the Kevin Petulow Higher. The Eagles have a new offensive coordinator. Eagles podcast on a B-E-A-Luff. It's a Thursday. It's freezing cold outside. Zach's got his vest.

I got my sweater. Zach, how you doing? Doing well. Excited for the show. I hope we get breaking news on the show again today. Yeah, I was envious. Actually, someone in the comments. Look at you.

Oh, picking up the comma. Oh, don't tell Jackie can't learn on the fly. Yes, I was envious. That's the time you want to be in the show. When news happens, you get the adrenaline rushing. I know I was at home watching the show, and I get the same text alert everyone else got. And I had jump up.

I'm excited. I'm ready to get to work, and I wanted to speak about it. So, yeah, it would be great if there's breaking news. I don't know what breaking news there be other than quarterbacks coach. Quarterbacks coach. True. There was a piece of news today, we should say, and that was, according to ESPN's Adam Schaefter, Cam Juergens.

Never heard of him. He's a terrific reporter. Underwent a back procedure on Tuesday to alleviate nerve pain. And now anyone like you who spent time around Cam, they're going to go anyone like you who has had back pain. No, who spent time around Cam during the playoffs knows that he was playing through it. Like his toughness is unquestioned. Sure. And so this is an injury, or I'm sorry, this is a procedure that will keep them out until July in time for training camp, according to Adam.

Now, do you think that that changes the Eagles' outlook on extending Cam Drogans this offseason? No, I still think the day they're able to, they'll try to. And I'm expecting. Big man with a balky back. It's a little bit dicey. Yeah. Look, look, maybe they'll try to say. you know, put your signature on the contract now because you never know.

Right. Maybe there are some carve outs for injury pullbacks. But what I think is the next time Cam Juergens is in an Eagles uniform, he will be one of the highest paid centers in the NFL. I think that's a reasonable expectation. Yeah. I mean, shout out to Cam Jurgens. What a playoff run.

As someone who's dealt with back injuries, are you? I guess you have more empathy. for him. I don't think I have more empathy for him. I just, yeah, like when you your back hurts, what can you do? It's terrible. It's debilitating. I mean, a back injury is the type of injury

where everyone says like it affects everything about your life. Sure. You've never hurt your back ever? Well, not to the point that I need to proceed. Okay. Excuse me, not to the point that I need to be a procedure. I am much better. I feel much better. I have a little frog in my throat. You look better.

Thank you. You look good. It's nice you to say. You don't sound great though. I think that is true. I feel so much better than I did two days ago. Today's ago I was a little worried. Oh God, just coming off the Super Bowl.

We got the Combined and Free Agency. Like, I got a lot of stuff going on in my life. I need to. Uh-oh. I can't be sick. And fortunately, I'm not sick. What are we, what do we think about a lot going on in your life? Is I going to unpack that?

No. No. Just keep him busy, right? I'm sure we're going to... I think if we get some super chat questions about it, then maybe you'll have to address it. Perhaps. I might be cryptic.

Okay. Last night, you know, given the fact that Rachel's in her third trimester, I was just away for like nine days. New Orleans let Rachel stay in a hotel last night, give her the night off. That is so nice. Oh, that's not the point.

The purpose of the story. Okay. I mean, it is very nice to be right. They should throw me a parade. The purpose of the story is that I, you know, there's the pregnancy pillows. Yes. You get like the huge big thing. It looks like a huge pie symbol.

Yeah, it takes up too much space in the bed. I don't think it takes up too much space. Okay. Maybe you got a small bed. But it's, you know, it's a thing I've been curious about. Like, once again, so I slept with the pregnancy pillow last night. I get the. peel. I mean, the envelopment, very nice, got a good sleep, but the top of it, not the kind of

pillow texture that I'm looking for. So the actual pillow part, not my favorite. Okay. I wish I had something more to add to it. I've never slept with that pillow. I always thought it took up a lot of space, but. I mean, it's a big hunker for sure. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to a family wedding this week and we're going to have to pack that bad boy in the car. That'll take up some real estate. But whatever makes her comfortable, right? Like she's carrying the baby. Well, yeah, dude.

You don't have to sell me on that. No, that was always my philosophy on it. Yeah, that goes without saying. Obviously, that's why it's there. Uh-oh. Get down! Speaking of which, good reaction to the girls' name bracket from yesterday.

I do have the, I have the 16 boys' names here. Would you like to hear them? I do. Okay. Josh, Matt, Alex, Nick, Tanner, Christian, D'Andre, Reed, Elijah, Francis, Francis, Jr., Francis III, Melvin, Poo Ragu, Khalif, and Roger. Hmm. Do you want a letter? Does the letter matter?

No. Okay. Do the syllable. I'm leaning towards Poo Ragu Wolf. That would be a hard one to sell. I don't know. But hey, you already got Rachel the pillow, the hotel room. So maybe Poo Ragu.

Yeah, Poo Ragu. There you go. Okay. Let's get into it. Before we get to the position by position, your priority list that we want to go through, let's talk a little bit more about your day after thoughts on Kevin Petula. You wrote about it on all p.hly.com.

You should become a diehard and check that out. do you feel like there's no way for us to know whether Kevin Petullo is going to be a good offensive coordinator? Do you feel like this was good process? Well, it was the type of thing that like you and I had been hearing it's going to be Petulah, right?

And they did do a search. Like, I know because names haven't been out there yet. Well, they say they did a search. No, no, no, but I'm saying like because names haven't been out there yet, people think they just, they didn't interview anybody. By rule, they have to. Now, the legitimacy of those interviews, we can debate.

But by league rule, you can't announce Kevin Patoolo until you interview at least two external candidates, right? So I am curious to see who else they spoke to. That said, I think in Patole's case, and again, I didn't think there was a problem with Brian Johnson. There was clearly the result wasn't good. I do think Nick had a very heavy hand there. I think in Patul's case, though, some of the differences are he has a lot of experience in the NFL, right?

He's been with five different teams. He's been in the league for two decades. He's interviewed for O.C. jobs before. The resume itself is such that you would say this makes sense. The play-calling experience, it is not there. Now, in terms of, I think there's merit to the continuity part of it, I think the Eagles need to continue to progress. I think with Patua, one thing that I've heard is that the year with Kellan Moore, he has a lot of the Kellynne Moore concepts. And so it won't just be reverting to the 2022 offense.

It'll be a lot of what Kellyn Moore brought to the Eagles. As we've discussed, Moore and Patuo kind of had this like football laboratory last April in terms of melding the different concepts. Ultimately, the most important person here is Jalen Hertz. And I said this on Anthony's show this is this needs to be jailen hurts his offense right um it can't be kevin patulo's offense or nixirian his offense or even the eagles offense it should be jalen hurts's offense and uh i think that because he's going to be the constant here like i don't know how if kevin patuo maybe kevin patuo maybe kevin pattoa is a head coach in a in a year maybe it's like a brian johnson situation and the indian and deals make a change jelan hurts is going to be the quarterback here and so i i

think jeline hurts needs to take ownership of the offense Yeah, shout out to Rich Hoffman in the newsletter today. It was an interesting framing. If you just go back to since 2016, every offensive coordinator they've hired. Every single one they've hired externally went on to become a head coach. Every single one who was promoted internally went on to be fired. Yeah. And I've actually spoke to Kevin about that.

That's a great framing by Rich. I spoke to Kevin about the like the guy who succeeds the head coach in Philly has a, it's a tough history. It's a two person sample size here. but Mike Rowe and Brian Johnson, and his point was that's anywhere in that it's hard to match success, right? And that... Right, once you change the standard,

it's hard to reach the standard that is just the height. And that every season's different. You don't know what the personnel's going to be. You don't know what injuries are going to be. You don't know what game flow is going to be, right? Like the Eagles can say they're going to run the ball, but if they're down two touchdowns in games,

the numbers will look different. So it's hard to compare one year to the next, And it's different to think philosophically like, oh, I know that if Kevin Petullo has never called plays before, it's reasonable to expect that he's going to get better at it over the course of the season. It's hard to think about that in real time in September, you know, if you don't like what they did in week two. Yeah. But I don't agree with the idea that like Nick Siriani has the power now. Nick Sherriani is going to call the plays. I was going to ask you about that.

I. Well, not about calling plays. But do you think that this means within the building? he has developed more power. Good question. First of, I think Kevin Patole is well regarded in the end of building. And you know Kevin better than I did. You did a great story a year ago, like on his family, on him being a father.

He's someone who, like, he has relationships beyond Nick Siriani, right? It's not as if he needs to go introduce himself to Howie Roseman or Jeffrey Lurie. Sure. Right. It's why I think that's important. Yeah, or the players. Exactly. So that's important to note here. but yeah I mean clearly they felt that what the Eagles had last year when I say they I mean Jeffrey and Halley no decisions made without Jeffrey and Howley but I don't think this is Nick like

flexing his muscles I know that's been the perception I think that the Eagles want to bottle up what worked last year I don't I think what they're going to try to guard against is what happened in 2023 which is what which is I you know there were a lot of voices in the in the room I think, bless you, I think Nick was, I think Nick was probably more heavy-handed than he, he should have been. That's why I've defended Brian Johnson on the show for that reason. I think Jalen was heavy-handed. And I, and I still think J-Lan's going to be heavy-handed. But I do think in the organization, they, they valued that continuity. I think J-Lan wanted continuity. Now, who else on the staff could it have been? You know, Les Bell and wrote

that story in training camp about, oh, I'm sorry, not in training camp, at the Super Bowl, about Jeff Stoutland. And we've always kind of talked about that. I think they're comfortable with Jeff Stoutland in his current role, and they compensate him accordingly. Jason Michael has offensive coordinator experience, you know, Aaron Morehead, Jamal Singleton, someone who interviewed for the Saints job, but ultimately, Kevin Betua was the next in-line candidate, and he did have the most influence on the offensive.

of product of anyone who would be in line for that job. I have more to say, but since you mentioned Jason Michael, I think it's a possibility that he becomes the quarterback's coach. He coached quarterbacks for two years in Tennessee and then went back to tight end since then. That's a good question. Look, if he's trying to progress in his career, maybe so. No, I do think quarterback's coach is a spot where they can bring in an outside voice, right? Yeah, actually, so listen, the,

We have to acknowledge that the situation they're in having to do this so late in the hiring cycle does make it more difficult. Yes. And so while in theory I would have liked them to cast a super wide net and interview like many different people. Yes. There aren't that many people who are actually available, right? Most of the spots have been filled. Yes. And, you know, it's harder to make that happen.

The thing that you mentioned before the show started, I mean now that all 32 offensive cornered jobs are filled, and there's not a single African-American among them. Like that's a pretty significant problem and speaks to the biases in the hiring process. And how it affects the pipeline to becoming a head coach. Exactly. And so, you know, I am curious to see when it comes out who else they interviewed. However, that doesn't mean that Kevin Petula is not the right man from the job. And they know him very well.

And when you are behind the eight ball, I can see the appeal of, you know, of the continuity. obviously they will not have made this decision without the input of Jalen Hertz, right? However, tepid his public comments may have been on locker room clean out day. Yeah, I mean, by all accounts, everything I've heard, people in the building really like Kevin Petulow. And I think the thing that we have said

about framing Siriani's heavy hand here that if anybody, if there's anyone who is going to leave alone, because he already knows what to expect that it's going to be done the way he wants, it's going to be Kevin Petulow, the guy who has been there every step of the way. So I think there is something to that. Like, I would be lying.

We would all be lying if we said we know this is going to go one way or the other. But I think, I think it is pretty good process that they landed here. I would actually say that I'm a little bit more disappointed in bringing in Parks Frazier as the replacement only because it's like, it's just from the same tree. And again, I don't know how many other people they could have hired for that role because that's not, that's not even a promotion, you know,

to offensive coordinator. but like, okay, we've got two people from the same tree. Now we're bringing another one from that. That is a little bit more questionable to me. Now, I know your story. Without knowing anything about Parkescher, except that he was married by Frank Reich and had his home shot up on Wikipedia. I know more about Park Fraser than that,

but I don't claim to know him well. I need to see how this whole staff comes together. I need to see who the quarterback's coach is. if there's a senior assistant, we'll see. And that will probably come out in the next, well, look, if you think about Matt Patricia, we didn't find out about that until draft day, right? So, or like, yeah, but he wasn't a position coach.

No, no, right before the draft. I'm saying, but he was like the senior. Oh, yes, yes, yes. But I do think they need to fill the quarterback. They'll fill the quarterback's coach before then. So we'll see how this staff comes together. I am curious from your perspective. I know the story you did two years ago wasn't necessarily about

tool as a coach, but what insight did you get on on Kevin from your interaction? Yeah, I was reflecting back on it last night. One thing I would say is just the like the attention to detail when he was flipping the switch from from dad

to coach with Lauren, his daughter, like you know, just about like the grooves in the sand trap, stuff like that. Very obvious. This is a person who pays very close attention to detail and stuff like that which I think is what you would have heard behind the building.

I think, you know what, this is, as we think about NFL coaches, you know what? I don't know if it's a red flag that he's too good of a dad. It's not a red flag. You can be a great dad and a great coach. Yes, of course. Yes. I know, but you think about the, you know, like this is a guy who actually likes his family, which seems to be not the case for many head coaches or potential future coaches.

we'll see how that material huge red flag the guy loves his family but um no no i i mean it was it was a great day and it was a joy to watch them them interact and him in that capacity and also then talking to other people around the team about their perspective on it i mean even jalen hertz

and jason kelsey had really nice things to say about about lauren i um i tweeted out yesterday and look the the best article about kem betel was was written by bow the best video by Ken Patuo was by Fran. No. We got to work on the parallelism of the tenses in that tweet that you have. Sorry. I will work on that.

I was just, I wanted to reinforce, like, our team here at PHLI is awesome, right? And there's a lot of institutional knowledge of the team that even predates the creation of this network. So, yeah, so I just thought as I was researching both guys, as I was researching, I can beto of both of those pieces of content jumped out to me. There we go.

A couple super chats to check out here before we move on. Nico, just shouting it. I love that, Nico, my man. Pounds too, not dollars. What's the conversion rate these days? You tell me. I think it's near one to one, a slight uptick to the pound, but it's one to one.

How about pounds or pound? or nucks. Or actually, I was thinking of euros. What is that pound or euro? What's that symbol there? You're the worldly one here. You're the traveler.

Musa checking in. Says Siriani, Patulo, Desandro Fangio. The Italian-Americans have taken over the coaching staff. Shout out to Connor Orr. Great story by Connor Orr. Yeah.

You have to mention Penunzio as well in that group. as you spoke to Joe at the media night. It is interesting, and you and Jamie were talking about this yesterday, how they get confused with each other. When I say they, Kevin Petito and Nick Siriani, if you want to find the best Kevin Pettoe photos in our wire service, you have to type in Nick Seriarii. There's only one of actual, like tagged as Kevin Petullo,

but there are a few as Nick Siriani, but you've got to search through a lot of them. So like on the story I have on all pHly.com, It's Petuo and Sierra. I'm sorry, it's Patuo and J-1-Hertz, but it comes up as Nick Siriani. So, yeah, that mistake happens. And when they came off the plane a few years ago,

Patuo told me he made sure that Nick went first, right? Because he knows they get confused a lot. MJ says one euro is equal to $1.5. Yeah, so pretty equal, close to it. Yeah, pretty close, I would say. Yes. Okay. What else is going on with you?

A lot. but all good stuff. Can we get a super chat asking for clarification on the things that are going on in Zach's life, please? We will get to that just after this word from our sponsors. So Zach did do some reporting about who else the Eagles talked to for this offensive coordinator job. And we're on the street as they interviewed this one guy.

And it was a really weird interview. They're asking him like, hey, man, like what would be your plan for Gielan Hertz in this offense? and he's like, oh, well, I think my plan is I'm going to steal the money from jailing, and I'm going to get him convicted. And I'm going to run a wingtie and steal money from the Novacar complex. And they said, all right, you got to get out of here, Ray. And that is not the Shady Ray that we are talking about today.

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play caller for Jeff Saturday. Reportedly he got to call plays because he did not request a pay bump. Is this a bad sign? Invest in your future. Yeah, I like that. Right. If he takes on that responsibility and he does great, it's going to open up big time opportunities for his future. And here he is. years later he worked for the panther. Wait a second. You think that worked for him? I mean, I think it helped his profile.

Sure, he gave him play calling experience. Okay. I don't think it worked out very well. He went to the Panthers and they did a bad job. He got fired and he went to the dolphins and now he's with the Eagles. He's passing game coordinator for the Eagles. Okay. Grace says, always happy to ask for clarification on what's going on in Zach's life, please.

Was he babysitting his daughter? I love spending time with my daughter. I have spent time with my daughter, not babysitting, but, no, I, look, I am, there's a lot going on at work right now. We've got the draft, you got free agency coming up. I'm negotiating fantasy basketball trades with John Gonzalez. And then there, you know, look, I don't want to put the cart before the horse here, but the Eagles won the Super Bowl. I'm interested in potentially writing a book on the Super Bowl.

Also, if one was to do that, how would you find the time? Well, that's the thing. You know, I had to do this interview with, with, or preparing for this interview with somebody who was like, if you are, if you had eight more hours in your day, what hobby would you choose? And I'm thinking like, I wouldn't choose a hobby. I would just, I would invest more time in what I'm doing. but I have a very rigid schedule of like 5 a.m. to 7 a.m. I'm doing this. 7 a.m. to 8 a.m. I'm doing that. 8 a.m. to 10 a.m. I'm doing straight up until like 11 p.m. So I'm trying to get my 7 hours every night. Zach. Yeah. You just said you have a rigid schedule that starts at 5 a.m. and ends at 11 p.m. It's not mathematically possible to get 7 hours. What are you talking about?

So last night I went to bed at 10. Okay. So I was able to get a few more hours there. Okay. Gavin says clarification on the things going on in ZB's life. Just honestly preparing for the show, preparing for the draft, preparing for free agency. I was, yeah, preparing for, I have a list of free agents that I think are very underrated that I think are going to be big time signings. If you can have my guys in free agency.

Okay. How many of them were former first round picks? None, actually. Wow. Yeah, none. I knew you were going to ask that question. And I actually made sure none of them. Now, there were second and third round picks on that list, but no first rounders.

Idiot Sandwich says, I'll bite. Please spill the tea, Zach. By the way, drippy vest today. I appreciate that. Thank you. No, I look, I'm potentially working on a book. We'll see. We'll see.

Well, Rob says, or no, no, I'm going to go to Gene first. Gene D'Angelo says book deals you be or something else. Look, when the time is... Theoretically, if you were to write a book about this Eagles Super Bowl season, when would you have to theoretically finish it by? Theoretically, it would have to be a very quick turnaround. You have to be looking at

maybe like eight weeks. Eight weeks? Theoretically. How many words a day would you have to write? Just on pace. 2000? Two thousand words a day. Okay.

And that's an addition to this show. Would you think about taking a break from this show? I did not like it. I did not like it because I would... But would you consider doing that. Oh, no, no. No, this is my job. You have vacation days.

You could use them. I mean, it is actually the Zach Berman dream to use your vacation days to work. Yeah, but this is, this is the time. This is such an important time of year for the Eagles. There are there are little lulls along the way. Honestly, the time they kind of take a step back will be during the summer. We'll have to figure that out. But yeah, no.

By take a step back, you mean drop dead? No, that will not happen. That will not happen. I mean, I hope not. Rob says, who bleeds more for this city, Howie or ZB? Well, Howie has trademarked it. I haven't trademarked it, but I care quite a bit about this city. Frank says are the ZBs expecting number three?

No, I can assure you that is that I can promise you that is not happening. So yes. Okay. Okay. We'll unpack that on another show. A little miss run the ball. Claire says what's going on ZeeB one specific piece of news, please. Honestly.

The superchats are rolling in. Yeah. I appreciate all the support for the show. My focus since 9 a.m. this morning has been doing the best show I can today. Does this, Zach, make you understand just a little bit that. we have gotten more superchats about your personal life than anything Eagles related. Maybe that's the show that people want.

Well, you did ask for it. Well, yeah, but I could ask for other superchats. I don't think we would get this many super chats. Dinklberg also has a super chat says, tell us more about the horse sack. Trust me. I read every YouTube comment. I read every Apple podcast comment.

I read every message board. There's different opinions about what part of your rigid schedule is dedicated to that. Probably too much time to that. But yeah, but there is, there's no consensus about what people want this show to be. So what we need to do, you and I is the paying customers. It's have the best show we can, have some fun, have some Eagles, have some, yeah, or have a lot of Eagles and have a lot of fun.

How about that? I think we should tilt it on the seesaw a little bit more towards fun. Well, Eagles is fun for me. Okay, let's talk about the Eagles. Yes. We want to go through position by position and just think about like what? is the most important thing in Harry Roseman's mind at each position

this off season. So some of these might just be yeah, you know, like continuity. We'll get to linebacker, linebacker will probably be about figure out what's up with Zach Bond. But there might be other ones that are a little bit more more theoretical, more big picture. And this is what we think it should be, not what we would do.

What we think their priority is. What we think Howie Roseman's priority is. Yes. Essentially. So let's start a quarterback. Yeah. To me, I mean right now it's who's going to coach the position. Yes, of course. It's kind of easy, right? Of course. But I think it's, if you go beyond that and they get it solved, I kind of think it's like, you know, let's try to find a training partner for Kenny Pickett, but yeah, I would agree with you there. I think that they saw a lot from Tanner McKee. I think that

they're always looking for, for value. Kenny Pickett provided value to them last year, but I think the value that Kenny Pickett can provide now is draft pick up compensation. And I think Tanner McKee's ready to be the backup quarterback. I think you have two years of him on a cost-controlled contract. So to me, that would be, that's not just you and I saying this should be the case. I think that's how Howard Roseman's going to look at it. Now, a market must generate four picket,

but I would think. What's reasonable? A sixth round pick? Fifth round pick, I would say. Yeah. The value after the trade backs last year, or I'm sorry, after like the picks they got back in the deal was essentially, they traded a third,

they got a fourth round value. So it was like, what, like a fourth round value? It was a fourth round. Fourth round. Yeah. So one year later, one year left on the contract, I think a late fifth or always six, maybe maybe it's the type of thing that they use Pickett to move up, right? Like Pickett and a five for a Oh, yeah, I could see that. Like a late three or something like that. Yeah, yeah, could be that. Okay, that makes sense.

Do you have anything else at quarterback? No, I mean, Tanner McKee's continued development, right? And keep jailing her task. I think this is going to be, I think Jalen Hertz will continue to be emboldened in the organization. But I think quarterback's coach and having a resolution at backup. And if they trade picket, finding the number three quarterback. And I don't think that should be a veteran for the room. I think they should continue to add to this pipeline.

They did a great job with the McKee evaluation two years ago, right? You give them credit there. You're not always going to find a sixth round pick who turns into that. but and a matter of fact as you've documented well just from data in the in the past chances are you're not going to find a rosterable quarterback late in the draft like late late day three but maybe there's um but if you hit the surplus value is enormous or a player similar to what em book was or what malik willis was for the packers someone who kind of failed elsewhere um but you bring him in and you think you can develop them here.

It's probably a deeper question for another day, but on Jalen Hertz, we can have this longer conversation, but very quickly. Like, how much are you waiting his Super Bowl performance as you think about him big picture versus like everything you saw the rest of the season?

Good question. I would say the late season performance, because the championship game was really good too. Yeah, I certainly am weighing that as this might be bad, this might be good, but Jalen said the offense took off when he kind of had more, when he spoke up a little bit more, right?

He said that at a clean-out day. That's not verbatim. I'll get what it is verbatim, but I think that Jalen did improve as the year went on. Okay. How about running back? What do you think is their top priority at running back this off season?

I mean, I think that they're, they'll be okay letting Gainwell go and having Shipley become the number two. I think it'll be cost-controlled third running back, like adding to that pipeline there. I have just figuring out what is the plan to spell Sequin a little bit more next season. So maybe that is we really believe in Will Shipley, and he can do some of that. Maybe it is drafting somebody in the fourth round again.

Yeah. But I do think that they're going to enter next season, hoping to take a little bit more off of Sequin's plate. Let me ask you this. You're Howie Roseman. And Sequin Barclays agent comes to you and says, we sign. I'm not asking for more money. Yeah.

I'm not to make any more money. But if you want to lock us in, maybe move some money around to free some cap space now to guarantee money two years from now. Yeah. That's something we would be willing to do. Or perhaps he says, look, when you sign this deal, it was effectively a two-year contract. I want that third year guaranteed or something of that nature. What would your response be as Howie Roseman? I think it's, I think it would be the flip side of what I saw.

I said, I said, if there's a way for us to move some money around to free up space now, I would consider it. Yeah. He outperformed his contract. Sure. Clearly. It's also a position where you're also, you're entering that knowing that there's a possibility that things fall off a clip very quickly.

And you and I both said they were going to, they were not going to preserve him. They were going to spend two years, like running him and using him as much as they could because it was effectively a two-year deal. Now, he's been better than anyone could have anticipated. So I just wonder if they do anything for that third year. Yeah, I'm curious about that as well. All right, let's talk tight end. This is one of the, you know, as we talked about on Flu World Order earlier this week.

And if you missed that episode, go to Tuesday's show. We ranked all the potential free agents and cap casualties in terms of how likely we think they are to return. But I think Dallas Goddard and Darius Slayer, the two obvious veterans that the Eagles need to make a decision on. To me, I just have here figuring out what their Dallas gotter plan is. I think they're going to try to trade Goddard. Goddard's a good player when he's on the field. He does have the injury history. He is getting older.

And for the price that they're paying, this is a really good tight end draft. I'm expecting them the draft that's a tight end regardless, right? But the question is whether they pair that tight end with somebody else or with Dallas Goddard. Dallas Goddard's expensive. Now, the Eagles can navigate the cap. There's things they could do to his deal, but it wouldn't surprise me if they look to trade Dallas Goddard. Yeah, I think, as we said on the show, I am less sure that he's not going to be here than you are. I just don't think given the Eagles window, this championship window,

that they're going to be in the business of letting an elite player at the position go as much as he struggles to stay on the field sometimes. Now they're not going to keep him at that number. Yeah. And there's no guaranteed money. So I think this comes down to the talks between Howie and the agent about how much does he want to be back. Would he rather hit the open market? Sure.

Or, you know, is there a way for them to restructure it? He takes a bit of a pay cut, but you guarantee money next year. I do think that they're going to be planning. They have to find their Dallas got eventual replacement this offseason. You know, you've talked about a Kyle Pitts trade potentially. The draft is very. I said I like that. We've both talked about it.

Yeah. We've talked about the, uh, how good the class is. Yeah. I just, I don't think that they're going to be in a place to think, okay, let's get, let's, let's move on from Dallas. and then figure it out from there. Oh, agreed. Agreed.

You know, there has to be a plan there. So maybe it's the type of thing where they say Tommy Trembal, who's a free agent I like, who'll probably be signing a one-year deal. Maybe Tommy Trembal at a low number paired with Mason Taylor in the draft gives you 60% of what you're getting from Dallas Goddard. And they're okay with that if they can redistribute them, that more. money elsewhere. I think the best solution for the Eagles is keeping Godder at a lower number. Yes, I think that's what they would like to do. Exactly. I think that's the best solution for

them. I don't know if that's something Goddard would be as interested in. We'll see. Yeah, that's, that's the discussion to have. He is a valuable, he would be the number one tight end on the open market if the Eagles were to release him. No doubt. Yeah, which is why you think they will try to trade him. Yes. Or bring the number down. It would surprise me if they just flat out released him. But he does have leverage here. He could say, release me and I'll get paid somewhere else. Right. Okay. How about tackle?

Finding that swing tackle. I was going to say find Lane Johnson's eventual replacement. I think Lane can play two more years. I don't think they're going to be as much of a rush for that. I do know from talking to Lane about this. Lane's having very honest communication with them.

Not just about his future, but kind of like about players that he likes. But I think the swing tackle would be the spot they will look. And I think the draft is a good place for them to find it. You can't draft every position, of course, right? I can't. But... No, and this is said to be a much worse tackle class than last year.

Definitely so. I mean, last year was historic. Right. Yeah, I think this is a, to me, like, when we say priority, like, what's the first thing to do or what's the more important thing to do? I do think the most important thing that Howie Rosam is going to want to do is identify that eventual Lane Johnson replacement, and they would like it to come from the draft.

that may not be possible. Short term, yeah, figuring out who their swing tackle is. And maybe that's just bringing back Fred Johnson. If, if Fred Johnson. I don't think that they want to, like, I don't think that they want to move into next year not having somebody behind Lane Johnson. Agreed. In, you know, in the young player pipeline.

But the draft may not turn out that way. Agreed. Yeah. Okay, how about interior offensive line and then we'll go to break after that. Yeah, Cam Juergen's extension, I think, is their priority here. is ensuring that their Pro Bowl Center is locked up, that he's not playing on a contract year. The Eagles act quickly here.

If you remember, the first move they made last year at the start of the tampering period was what, signing Landon Dickerson to a contract extension, right? Devante Smith wasn't far behind. A.J. Brown, they gave him a new deal not far behind. You saw reports that Jamar Chase wants $40 million. That's why the Eagles acted quickly here. So my guess is that the Cam Juergen's extension will be the priority.

Of course, a more immediate need is figuring out right guard. I think they're okay with Tyler Steen if it comes to that. I think they'll talk to Mackay Bechton. I think they like Mackay Bechton quite a bit. But it's the conversation we had at what number. If the number becomes prohibitive, I think they'd be okay going into the next year with Tyler Steen as their right guard. I mean, I don't think that they're okay.

going in with just Tyler Steen. I think they would be okay with him competing with somebody. I think if they don't bring back Bechtin and don't add somebody in the draft who can be, you know, the eventual lane replacement and right guard for now,

then they will sign a veteran of the Becht in last year. But yeah, I don't think that they're going to rush to lock up a right guard right now. I think they will sort of let the market come to them on that front. And that's the power of Jeff Statland.

So let me ask you this. this is something that a name you might hear this offseason is Isaac A. Malo potentially being cut. You are one who has often said you don't like unimaginative moves. Would that strike you as unimaginative? I don't think that that's crazy. And I also think as we plot out what the offseason is going to look like, if Isaac S. Amalo was cut, he's more attractive to them because he's not going to count for the concept formula. I actually believe that that will be a major part of their offseason.

is they're expecting. They know that Milton Williams and Joshua are going to get big numbers. If Mackay Beckton goes, he will sign a qualifying number as well. They're going to try to bring back Bond, but if he doesn't come back, that's going to be a huge number as well.

I don't think they're going to be signing guys who are going to cancel those out. And so if you are released, you're all of a sudden more attractive to the Eagles. And it's why I think if we're thinking of what could be their big splash, it is much more likely to be a trade to me than the top of what is a relatively

weak free agent market. Agreed. And in the interior offense line, I would pay attention to both of Pittsburgh's guys. Isaac S. Malu and James Daniels. James Daniels is on my radar as well. Yeah. So that's, he's a player too because he can play center. He could be a backup center as opposed to Lennon Dickerson. Right. And it fits the, you know, former high pick that the Eagles like. It doesn't quite fit the monster that they want at Red, right guard. Like they want, they do want that big powerful guy. Yeah, he would be, he would probably be more. more of a backup for that.

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and wants help, call 1-800 gambler. Oh, Canada. I mean, obviously the best national anthem. Who's your pick tonight? You're a hockey family. Are you into this game? No.

I mean, I'm happy to watch it if it's on, but I'm not playing. I'm playing my night around it. Okay. How about you? I wasn't playing my night around it too, but I was... You agree it's the best anthem? I mean, definitely the best anthem.

I like both anthems, honestly. I like O Canada and I like the national anthem. They're both terrific anthems. I'm not choosing... Clearly the best anthem. I'm not choosing between my mother and my father. My home and native land. But yeah, a lot of juice for this game tonight.

What? Did I say something bad? A lot of... No, I just... I heard... I heard a different word than the word that you said. A lot of juice for this game tonight. I don't know what you might have heard.

Jews. I did not say that. I said a lot of juice for this game tonight. Maybe both. Who's to say? I mean, there haven't been a ton of national hockey league players of Jewish descent, but... I mean, I could give you the ones that are, but we don't need to go down that path. We don't need to go down that path.

Who's the Hank Greenberg? Who's the best? I mean, I'm there's so... Well, I mean, Kofax is the best. We don't need to go down this path. Are there any Hall of Famers? Presumably so, yeah. But I don't know the hockey hall fame as well.

But, you know, I don't know. I don't think we need to have this conversation. You're Googling it. You'll tell us. Zach Hyman. I knew that. Quinn Hughes. I knew that.

He's now saying, I don't know any of these players. Hughes brothers are awesome. They're like the talk of the sport. now. Unfortunately, I can only name about like nine current NHL players. Really? Yeah, I thought you're from a hockey family. Mitch Kov. I thought you're from a hockey family. Yeah, but not in the NHL. I could, I can name more, I could name more women's college hockey players than NHL players right now probably. That's great. I cannot name a women's college. I can name a women's college hockey coach, not a women's college hockey player. But Samuel Rothschild, the first Jewish player in the

NHL who played for the Montreal Maroons. But I will say this. Luke Coonin, that's a tough name to say. We have on in our house. Here's another one, Jacob Chitron. We have on in our house on fast, we have the PHLI channel.

So whenever, you know, when like Emily's doing work, the background on the TV is is PHLY. And so for whatever reason, it always turns up that like the Flyers is on. when she's on. So she sees Bill

Matt's and she sees Charlie O'Connor. There you go. So we know a lot about the Flyers and we see outstanding production on that show as well. Super Chats continue to roll in and I didn't ask for these, Zach. So once again, a repudiation of the Eagles focused show. The Andy says

more on Zeeby's personal life. What's up, Zeeby? Is that Andy or Andal? What's up? Honestly, I love doing the show. And the Combine Free Agency. I I feel very, I don't feel as strong right now about the draft. Honestly, I got to catch up on the draft. I feel stronger about free agency.

And then a lot's going on, you know, outside of the Eagles too. A little miss run the ball. Claire says, Zeeby, can you name, please, one Jewish hockey player. It will make my son feel good. Zach Hyman. He's Jackie. No, I think, well, this thing, I don't want to say someone is and they're not. What are they going to do, Sue?

I actually think Kevin Chattonkirk. He was a really good defenseman. Okay. Yeah, I think that might be an answer. Okay. Shout out to the Shatman. All right. Defensive tackle, Zach,

what do you think is the Eagles' number one priority this offseason at defensive tackle? So, I mean, the challenge here is Milton Williams. I don't expect them to keep Milton Williams. Milton Williams is going to be, I think they would love to keep milk of milk. I think Milt's going to get maybe 20, but certainly more than, you know, 17.

So I think that they might be priced out. And I think Milton Williams might want to go to a spot where he is the guy. Short of that, they need to make a decision on Jordan Davis' fifth year option. Very interesting. And my inclination is to say they're not going to pick it up. What do you say? I don't think so either. I mean, the number would be, what, like 13?

Yeah. Something like that. Listen, Jordan Davis, at the job that he does, has been very good. there was a conversation about this in the discord I saw. But the truth is he's playing 35% of the snaps. Like, he can't pay $13 million for a guy who's paying 35% playing 35% of the snaps. And this is not to say that he can't take another leap. Like defensive tackles are a position where you can see like a mid-career leap from a player.

Having watched some of the player development things that happen with the Eagles over the course of this season, I think it's a good thing for us to keep in mind this off season to not, as Vic Fangio says, put a ceiling on a guy. Yes. You know, seeing what Nolan Smith did, seeing what Zach Bond did, maybe Jordan Davis can turn into a pass rush force next season and be a guy who plays 60% of the snaps. But I don't think that they're going to commit to that at $13 million.

I think they're going to keep him around. And then reevaluate next off season based on the season that he has. I think you hit it on head there. The other thing to add is this is a loaded defensive lineman draft, defensive tackle and edge rusher. So the Eagles could, if you think last year was not a good one. You know, there were detackles taken in the second round, who I think might be like round four guys this year, right?

So I think that the Eagles, again, I want to be careful saying they'll just draft this, they'll just draft that because you can't draft every position. But I think there's going to be a lot of value. you on the interior line this year. And I also think that this is why you draft and develop is that if you can't keep Milton Williams, you have Morrow ready to step up. You know, Thomas Booker could be taking more nose tackle snaps, right? So I think they have a pipeline.

And I also think it's a spot where you can add a veteran for, you know, $2 million or whatever just to round out the room. Would Jayvon Hargrave seem unimaginative to you if they went down that path? Depends on the price, I guess. I wouldn't call it unimaginative, but I think that would probably be more than they would be willing to pay for where they are, don't you think?

He already got his money, right? So not to say he doesn't want more of it, but... I think it's almost, this might be a place where it's kind of like Beckton last year, like they go in hoping to take a defensive tackle in the middle of rounds, and if they don't, then there's a guy that they're ready to sign the next week.

So I saw this great interview with Trey Burton that Tyler Dunn did. great job by Tyler. And it's an interesting way to think about free agency right now is because, so Trey got cut by the Bears, and he still had guaranteed money left on his deal. So any contract that he signed with the next team

would be offset against his, is the, so he's not making any more money. It's just offsetting, right? So the whole calculation is, does he want to play? How much does he want to play? Where does he want to play? And that's why he was ready to walk away. Frank Wright called him.

He went to play for the Colts. So if there are players, and I don't know Hargraves contract structure, but if there are players who have guaranteed money on their deal, then their decision really comes down to where they want to play because it's going to offset the guaranteed money. Apologies to the sickos after you mentioned Kevin Shattonkirk. I mean, I should have said he did what to Kirk,

but, you know, you live and learn. How about the edge, Zach? By the by, I think I got Shattenkirk, correct? Okay. How about the edge? Was Kirk okay with that? How about the edge? Look, I think this is going to be a priority position for the Eagles this off season.

Nolan Smith and J. Alex Hunt return. I think trading Bryce Huff is in the cards. They'll try to trade Bryce Huff. I just don't think it makes sense for their side. I don't know if they're going to be able to. Because of the price or because you don't think a team's going to want him? Both. I think a team's going to take him.

It's like it's so much dead money. Just let him be the, the number five edge rush or whatever. Yeah, I mean, look, they had the whole thing with James Bradwick issue. I mean, they had to be inactive for the Super Bowl, right? Yeah. So they wanted Nicholas Morrow's special teams contributions

over Bryce off. Well, yeah, but they're not going to have Josh Schwett anymore and they're probably not going to have Brennan Graham. I get it. They need guys. I still think they tried to trade Bryce off. We'll see. I don't know.

I'm skeptical that it's possible. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, yeah, we'll see. But I think this is the position where, like, first or second round, it would surprise me if it's on an edge rusher. They need to continue adding to that spot. As I said, they have Smith and they have Hunt.

The Eagles like to have, now they went with three, four, three, but mostly for a good chunk of the season last year. Vic Fangio, as you asked Howie and howie said he's changed his opinion just like a touch, right? Just a little bit. Just a little bit. And he thinks, and his explanation is the reason they were able to play those guys so many snaps is in part because they're so young. Yes. But I imagine they are going to add an edge rusher in the draft.

Let me ask you a question. Yes. As you think about the draft, they're so loaded up with guys on rookie contracts on defense, and they have so many guys getting paid at the top of the market on offense. Do you think there's a chance that they try to flip that and go offense heavy at the top of the draft this year? Interesting. I spoke to Howie about the lack of middle class on the team, that you have the top of the league

and then you have guys on unbroken deals. And he said it's mainly... Almost a mirror of American society, if you will. He said it's mainly because of what they did on offense, right? And having all these high-paid offense guys and so they knew they needed the draft defense. I don't think you're going to see that tilt so much. I think there are certain positions,

tight end off offensive line. But for instance, I don't think they're going to add cost-controlled wide receiver. like as a priority in the in the draft i i still think they're going to find where the value is i think the value this year is going to be edge rusher um and even in interior defensive line but like man i mean fran and i are also don't you also think that it is generally the case that every time there's like described to be a historically deep draft at a certain position the eagles specifically don't draft that position well it's not always the case but it it it

out that way. It's very often in a case. At defensive line in 2019, offensive tackle last year, running back in 2017. It's a good point. You can't control the board. I just think there's going to be opportunities here.

And, you know, Fran and I are going to have some big debates about James, Jr. Are you sure it's not Pierce James, Jr.? I'm positive. Okay. And by the way, is it Kevin Petullo or is it Pat Kevin Ullo? It's Kevin Petulo.

I saw it the Discord. Someone doesn't like the way... Discord or DatCord? A Discord. Someone doesn't like the way I say a Patuo. Okay. And I was trying... I was trying to think...

Try it again. Petulo. That one was different than the one before. So let me pull up the Discord here. Okay? This is your version of the Jalen Hertz lock screen. You have this comment as your background. No, I do have some comments saying.

They don't like it. i say but too well i do have some screenshots uh saved um yeah um from different comments i i'd look at as motivation sometimes what yes yeah i i what yeah like what like what we don't need to go i mean this is fascinating um by the way you can be you can join our our our our discord by becoming a member, a diehard. We have a deal going on throughout February. You have several screenshots of comments that you look at for motivation? Well, from time that's...

Periodically, I want to keep, like, because they might be lost in the nether. Are they, are any of them positive? No. Uh, here, this is definitely... Here, I'll let you read that from friends. This is definitely a me issue, but I hate the way Petulow sounds when people say it a zillion times. So this is not a you thing, but he says, ZB sounds like Patuo, reminds me of Bill Simmons never pronouncing his L like players instead of players, like nails on a chalkboard. I wish I

wasn't like this. See, this is Frank complaining about himself, not you. He says, I mean, I don't have a list from what I understand, like Petulow. I could say the L in Petulow. Yeah, but you didn't, I will, earlier you did not, you did, it's, it sounds like W? It sounds like Petulow. No, not Patulow, more just like, Patulow. Patulow. Yeah. Patulow. I can do it 10 more times. Patulow. Patulow. Patulow. Patulow.

Patuloh. Patuloh. Patulot. Patulot. Patulot. Patulot. Patulot. Patulot. Patulot. Yeah. Anyways, I will work on my pronunciation of Patulow. Thanks to everybody for watching on fast. Including Emily. If you want to hear more pronunciations of Patulow, check out all phtol.com. We're going to overtime. for this bad boy. Okay.

I do really want to learn a lot more about these screenshots that you have saved, but we'll have to wait for somebody to ask about it on a super chat. We can save that for a quiet day of this time. We do have a super chat from Rob who says, nickname for the defense, the green machine.

You know what? We've got a lot of new submissions for this. I think the one I like best is Fang Green. Like Fangio, so you're replacing gang with Fang. It's tough. because it's not Fangio, it's Fangio,

so you should fange green, but that obviously doesn't work. It looks better in print than when you're saying it. But I don't mind Fang Green. I want to tell you, Rob, in our entire audience, if you go to Denver and you see a place called the Green Machine, it is not a salad restaurant, okay? I just want you to know that now.

It is not a salad restaurant. Save that story for another day. But if you go there for lunch and you ask what they recommend and they say the Hawaiian haze, that's not a salad with pineapple on it, okay? I'll put it that way. Okay. It must have been a good meal for you.

I was a quick exit. A quick exit. You ran out of that. Like Roger Goodell was going to see you in there or something like that. I like this from the chat. Papatulio, like Sissulio, pretty good. Yeah, solid. Okay.

Linebacker. What do you think is the goal's top priority? Zach Bond is the priorities, for sure. No doubt about it. Yeah, I think it's, there is a reasonable expectation that it's possible that he gets more money than the Eagles are willing to pay and then they have to backfill. But either way, that is the priority is trying to get him signed and if not figuring out how to replace him. 100%. Now, if they don't sign him, do you think they're willing to play in a higher price?

price point than they would have been last year or you think they go all the way back to the typical eagles philosophy let's take a couple darts then i i think you you trust vic vangio and a player i have my eye on this offseason is uh is is is baron browning um well i talked about him quite a bit at the trade deadline look vangeloogne scounder baron browning uh-huh fick fangio scouted baron browning as an inside linebacker right when fangio left he was moved to the edge. It's a similar situation to Zach Bond. Now, his rookie year was not like Zach

Bond's defensive MVP, I'm sorry, defensive player of the year candidate year, but Baron Browning is a player who I absolutely have my eye on this offseason. Oh, I've got my eye on Baron Browning as well. Have you seen him anywhere?

What accident is that? Can you help me? I don't know. Let's talk about cornerback now that we are over an hour into the show, we can address the player who was the thumbnail for this episode. Bye-bye Slay, question mark. Yeah. What do you think is going to happen here with Darry Slay?

Obviously, the Eagles have Quinnian Mitchell and Cooper D'Gene on the second year of their rookie contracts. Those guys are penned in as starters next season. They have Keely Ringo as well, who is on year three of his rookie contract. He's in the mix. They may bring back Isaiah Rogers. Darius Slay will cost a lot more money. He wants to play one more season. He has given every expectation that he will not be with the team next year.

But I think there is a possibility that there could be a reunion here. What do you think? How many cornerbacks? How many age 34? How many age 34 cornerbacks played in the NFL last year? I reckon it's just one, Zuck. None. Oh, 34.

So 33 was last year. Yeah. So 34, none. So look, Darius Lay has defied history before. I don't think there's as much a necessity. Now, look, there's always the chance that he comes back at a low number. number, but I think the Eagles would be just fine turning this over to Quinion Mitchell, Cooper de Jean on in the slot, maybe on the outside in base downs, and then Keeley-Ringo

and or Isaiah Rogers. I think that the Eagles have prepared for this. You must remember, the Eagles were prepared to allow Derry Slay to leave two years ago, right? Look at me. Look at now. You there. You must remember this. Yes. So the Eagles were prepared to move on from Slay before. Slay got his ring. He's a great eagle. I mean, he's probably the best Eagles corner that I've covered. I didn't cover Asante Samuel. Okay.

I know and I understand why you're partial to Asante Samuel. But Darius Slay's had an outstanding run here in Philadelphia. He wants to play one more season. I think he said while playing on his show or maybe the Amman Ross Saint-Brown show that the Eagles or Detroit is where he would like to play. play. I could be wrong there, but I think I saw that as I was scrolling through. So, look, I think Slay is, is going to, a lot of people saying Stefan Gilmore played last year at 34, turned 34 on September 19th. So maybe those ages are September 1st. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I went by the season. So the season

age is a filter we have. And I put 34 in there. So, but yeah, I guess if you go game age, I probably should have done that. Gilmore would have qualified. Zach, INS asks, would you rather have a chef to prepare every meal for your family or have access to a private jet at any time to take you or your family anywhere?

The private jet, for sure. Cancel him, everybody. Cancel this man. Why? All that energy you're using on your private jet. No, I... You canceled! I love my wife's cooking.

Why am I replacing her? She can't fly. but yeah, I mean, she's out tonight for something and she already made dinner for me. It's waiting for when I get home. It's amazing. What is this? The 1950s?

No, she works a great job too. Yeah, but she's just, she's nuts about organization. She wants to make sure everything is, is, uh, you can go out tonight as long as you make me my dinner and have it there when I'm ready to get home. No, it's actually the opposite, though. I prefer if she doesn't prepare the dinner because that means I can make something unhealthy or order something unhealthy. I can get pizza.

This is just a protein and a veggie. And she's nuts about healthy eating too. Okay. What's the protein? Chicken. Okay. What's the veggie? Something green.

Yeah. Hopefully it's that Hawaiian haze, my man. It's not the Hawaiian haze. All right. How about safety? Let's close it out with safety. Wait, is that really a cancelable thing saying the private jet? Yeah, you're done.

Your career is over. I know what the price, look, I would rather a chef than a, like, I would have more utility from the chef, but I know what plane prices cost, right? If you tell me you can, like a flight to the combine next week, it's like $800. Unbelievable. The most, I mean, the most boring man in the world gets a private jet and he's using it so he can go to Indianapolis for the combine for work. Yeah, I mean, I mean, think about like the away games you can,

all the games you can go to. Anyways, safety. Honestly, they need to have a better sense of Sidney Brown by the end of next year. I don't think this is going to be a priority. That's interesting. That's my number one as well. It's an honest evaluation of Sydney Brown. Yeah.

Do they believe that he can be a future starter? Do they believe that he can be the number three safety? next year. And if not, then they need to find somebody who they think can be the number three. I think a blanket chip extension, if they view blanket chip as a starter, that's how they view? I don't know that to be the case. I mean, he's defied what I've thought in the past. You've actually, I give you credit. You've been higher. Thank you very much. That's true. You know, two years ago when I was like, I remember during training camp two years ago, I was like, Sydney Brown's going to be the starter. So the head drafted Sydney Brown in the third round, he's going to start over over read blanket chip.

It's going to be Sydney Brown and Terrell Edmonds. And I was wrong about that one, right? Blankenship was the number one guy. So, yeah, if they view Blankenship as someone who's going to be the start or beyond this season, it would be who of them to give them a contract extension. Grace with a super chance says, I hope your wife didn't leave you a plate of those little meats you hate. You know what?

I got more messages about support for the chakoterie take than any. I don't really put out on your side? Yes. Oh, really? I got messages saying it was the worst take on a podcast ever. No, I... Brenna, Zach came out as anti-sharkutery

board. How do you feel about this? No, not anti-overrated. No, no, no, no, no. Don't walk it back. You do this all the time. You come out strong and then you get a little bit of feedback and you walk it back. No, overrated. No, no, no. Puff your chest out. You hate charcutories. I don't hate... You think anybody who likes a charcutory board

should be deported. Definitely did not say that. But the comment from that show okay so that's the stay or go show correct okay the most recent one comment is uh well it's actually two comments ago Zach has never been as right about anything as he has as he was right about chakruder rewards he uh his was 100% correct take I got a text I got to respond to the text um this is from this is from one of the three smartest people that I know okay okay so it's so it's not Pete Vernon because he's top two he's usually number one of the two smartest people that I know Oh, so it's number two.

Well, no, tie for number one. Okay. It's not Pete Vernon? Is it Mr. Vernon? It's, no. Okay, then it must be Jeffrey. No. Dude, your charcutory board take was spot on.

So much better in theory than in reality. Can't stand the process of assembling this, the sandwich with the cracker, the cheese, the meat, the spread, the honey, et cetera. Way too much of a production. You guys are getting bad charcutory boards. You're missing out. My point is give me the whole purpose. a finger food is something that you can pick up with your finger and eat, right? It's not something that requires you to spread and take from this and take from that.

Give me, like, has to, has to be something that's that that's much easier to eat. Are you, are you, are you that busy that you can't afford to take an extra 20 seconds to make yourself a nice bite? The purpose of the Shakuri Board is not efficiency. the purpose is for there to be. The look, I know. No, that's not the look. It's that you can keep coming back. And yes, that is part of the appeal.

You can keep making different combinations. Yeah. Emily loves making chakoterie boards. Like, you're going to break her heart. I've told her this. I say, don't do it for me. The only thing you push back on. I say.

And then she always sends me out to get like the specific, you need the different, types of crackers, right? Maybe you need gluten-free ones. Maybe you need rosemary ones, right there. And so... You know what? I might agree with you on the rosemary cracker.

You like that? A little overrated. Yeah, so... And I'm like, we can't just have one standardized cracker here and needs to be multiple crackers. Yeah, so... I mean, you do want variety. You don't want just one cracker.

Anyways, this is way too much time on the shakutery board, but are people into this conversation? Yeah. Yeah, Dinkleberg, by the way, says one of the blocked out hours of Zach's day is taking screenshots of negative comments for motivation. He's just like Jalen. It doesn't take an hour. Is that on your schedule?

It's not on my schedule, but if I see a comment where, like, it's not just for motivation. Sometimes it's to be productive. It's to remember. Okay. But sometimes it is like, oh, you think this? I'm going to get better in this area. Yeah. So is it more if it's a nasty comment or something constructive? What are you more likely to screenshot?

Something constructive. Something constructive. Yeah, for sure. Frank says ZB, if you ever get to Chicago, make sure you run up Wiener Circle and order the chocolate shake. I don't know what that means, but probably going to steer clear of that. one. Yeah, I got nothing. Yeah.

If I go to Chicago, I'm going to Al Chival, and I'm getting that burger. That is the best burger. It's a good burger. Yeah. Get the rupeer float. Yes. Nice.

Yeah, what is the rest of the chat say on the on the Shikudery? There was a super chat from Grace as well. We already got that one. That was about the little meats. Oh, okay. Gotcha. A choice is the thief of joy.

Yes. Jaden says, That Petulow comment changed Zee's soul. We get some clever listeners. That's really good. Zach's sitting at the green room talking to Bill Mats before the show. Bill's like, hey, man, why down? He's like, I'm on a puttulo comment.

Change my soul. Zeeb is too busy reading comments to have time for shakurter. It's not one or the other. It's not that I don't have time for chakouterie. It's just, it's a. there are other finger foods that I prefer okay

yeah I think that I think that Emily is going to set herself a screen recording of you saying that her charcutory boards are not good enough

and she's going to use that as motivation to make better charcuttery boards to get you to no because actually her charcutory boards are outstanding

outstanding they look good they taste good this is the thing though for the amount of time that she puts in to making the shark board. I'm like,

it's, it's, anyways. What do you want? You want a handheld cheese steak? Well, just like walk around with?

I, I have recommended that for parties. Like, cheese steaks is that, you know, you, you get a cheese steak,

you cut it into eights, and then you get the little slices, but no, I mean. I do agree. I like a dip. Okay. Uh,

look, there's a shrimp cocktail. Can't go wrong with that. Pigs in the blanket. It's a good one. Okay. Yeah. I do agree.

I agree that I, the way that you say finger foods does weird me out a little bit. That would you out? Yeah, it's a little, it's a little what? Isn't that the term? Appetizer, all the al d'oeuvres. All d'Aldur's, you want to say that? What did I do wrong now? Okay.

All right. It's a good show. It was a good show. Yep. I guess that'll do it for this episode of the P.H. NY Eagles podcast. Zach and Fran back tomorrow. Yes.

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bowl champion philadelphia eagles uh yeah the chat is all over uh zach what's your favorite food to finger and all that good stuff you guys are geez take your all right that'll do it for this episode of the PHA Eagles podcast. Thank you to Brina for being a winner. And we'll see you tomorrow. As always, we love you. Like the mayor.