PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie defends Tush Push, explains roster overhaul

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

PALM BEACH, Fla. — We’re on the scene at the Owners Meetings, where Jeffrey Lurie spoke for the first time since the Eagles won the Super Bowl for the second time in his stewardship. As the Tush Push remains under attack, Lurie defended the play and explained why the roster has seen so much change this offseason. He also addressed the team’s planned visit to the White House and what might lie ahead for the Eagles’ stadium. Plus, Nick Sirianni’s thoughts on changing his messaging and why it seems like Dallas Goedert won’t be back in midnight green. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the PHY Eagles podcast from the owners meetings in Palm Springs, Florida, Bo Wolf, Zach Berman, and we have just spoken to Jeffrey Lurie. We talked to Nick Siriana early this morning. We've got news to talk about. We've got the tush push result. That is delayed. We've got all that stuff. And we, in a beautiful contrast of exactly what the owner's meetings is about, we have come from the beautiful, opulent room in which Jeffrey Lurie was speaking. to the media and Zach and I are here returned to the shipping container from which we will be sent back to Philadelphia without beds or blankets. Zach, how you doing? Doing great, excited for the show. Thrown to be at the owner's meetings. I don't think this is what the owner's meetings is about being in this shipping container, but

you don't think that you don't find the contrast in the classes to be a big part of the inner workings of this event? I think we're all people who put on our pants one leg at a time, and that's the beauty of last night is that everyone is together just loving the NFL, loving football. But it's not the way that I experience it at all. So, yeah, I mean, I, you know, you're above no one, you're below no one, everyone is just the same. Tell that to all 32 of those owners. Yeah, I mean, I would, right?

I mean, above no one, below no one, everyone's just to see. I find that deeply, uh, naive. But that's okay. We'll move on. We have lots of Eagle stuff to talk about. Give me the big picture. You gave us the big headline from Harry Roseman yesterday. I forget exactly what it was. Team is going to be very different. Jeffrey Lurie spoke for about 40 minutes, about a lot of different topics. Obviously, everybody wanted to know about the Tush Push.

Let's save that for a little bit because we'll get into the weeds on that. In terms of the actual Eagles organization, what were your big takeaways from Jeffrey? Yeah, first off, chat, let me know if, If you hear my audio. When it's your turn to talk, lean in. It's not going in your AirPods, correct? It's through your, it's through the mic. Just want to make sure that's okay.

Yeah, you are speaking through the mic. No, I recognize that. There were people speculating whether it was coming in. Well, don't listen to them. Don't worry about them. Talking to the mic. That's exactly what I'm doing, Bo. So in any event, Jeffrey Lurie defended the Tush Bush,

said there's no data that suggests it's not a safe play. They would vote against it if it was a matter of health and safety. but it's not a matter of health and safety. He talked about how last year, Super Bowl team might have been the best team ever in football. And he really trusts Hallie Roseman in terms of putting these roster together, short-term, midterm, long-term, spoke about how Nick Seriani is going to be the coach here for a long term, or is going to continue to be the coach here. There should be an announcement on that soon.

He didn't announce anything specifically regarding a contract. and just some details here and there. But I think the big takeaways was, was obviously the Tush Push, him discussing the Super Bowl and the bid that you try to repeat or get back there, and then also Nick Siriani's future. Okay, so when I said, let's save the Tush Push, let's table that before we get into the weeds on it.

Let's, we just wanted to talk about the Tush Push. We wanted to lead with that anyway. You just set the headlines. I was given a sign from the Tush Push. I was giving you the three quick goal points from what occurred. All right, let me see what Julia has to say, because we are off the rails already. She says, Zach, you're sounding a little low if you can lean in and project a little more. I'm doing my best here.

We're on Bo's computer. Bo's got the AirPods in. The AirPods have nothing to do with it. That's just so if Julia comes on the screen, I can listen to her. Okay, okay. The AirPods have nothing to do with it. It's just you've got to enunciate. You got to talk into the mic.

It's okay that there are other people in here. We may be bothering them. Unfortunately, that's the deal. Yeah. No, I propose doing this separately and getting a backdrop and you wanted to do it in this. Yeah, because it's better. In the shipping container that you viewed as. Oh, my God. We're leaving. We're pulling out of port. And then you wanted to switch spots. And I realize now that you did not want the PHLY Eagles. That has nothing to do with it. I told you what is. I am right-handed. And so if I'm taking notes on the show and we're on the opposite sides, then I'm going to be writing into you.

I need to have my hand on the outside. It works because I'm not. right-handed in your left-handed. It has nothing to do with the logo. Okay, well, it's just a convenient, convenient narrative. Absolutely ridiculous. This is an RFK junior level conspiracy theory based on nothing. Staying far away from that one. Yeah, what were your big takeaways from Jeffrey? Okay. I think the Nick thing, it's a, we knew this was coming, but it's a box to check. You know, he says he's going to be around for a long time. He is due for a new contract or an extension. that's going to come.

I thought the point about maybe this is the best team of all time is a fair topic. We've talked about that. I think it is one of the best teams of all time, no doubt about it. And it was in response to a question that was framed, you know, is this team better today than it was on February 7th, which is not really a fair framing of a question. First of all, we're in the very beginning of the offseason. Second of all, the goal is not to be better than last year's team. the goal is to be better than the 31 other teams in the NFL.

And third of all, like, that's one of the best teams of all time. It's going to be very hard to repeat. You know, you have to move forward with the resources that you have available, big term planning. And as Jeffrey said, as he framed it, the goal is to win big, right? And I think this is a conversation that we have to have in terms of you asked him about what did he learn from being the Super Bowl champion in 2018. and what wrong after that.

And it is true, and he's brought it up, and I think Howie has sort of talked around it, that the place they are in their roster is much different now than it was in 2017. What is going on? What are you smiling at? Can I just tap the mic? Did that come through?

You want to go to settings and just make sure here? Because people are saying this. Guess what? They're not the producers. If Julia tells us to do something, I will do it. You need to stop listening to the comments. mentors. Okay. Fair enough. You have a question? No, I don't think we should do the show. I think we're in good, I think we're in good shape right now. I think we've done enough. I don't think we need anything else.

This is what we came here for, right? Yeah, exactly. I'm trying. I have so much I want to discuss about the show right here. Go ahead. So, yeah, so I do think to that question, he learned that, from the last one, maybe they made some shorter-term decisions and they weren't necessarily looking at that 12, 24, 36-month outlook. And he's really trusting Howie Roseman to think that way. And this ties into our conversation with Howie yesterday about what the Eagles are trying to do right now with the roster, which is planned for these big contracts that are going to be paid in a year. And so some of it we have to see what materializes in a year and two years and three years with those eight starters that they have as how he referred to from the 22, 23, 24 draft classes.

But as he discussed, as Jeffrey Lurie discussed, as Howie discussed, the Eagles are younger now than they were when they won the Super Bowl last time. You know, that was more of an aging team. So that is a variable here. But I think that's an enduring lesson. And I think that's one that's one that Jeffrey's mindful. of and Howie's mindful of. And Jeffrey said today it's a byproduct of experience, right? They had never come off a Super Bowl victory when they played, I'm sorry, in that 2018 season,

and now they're in that position. Yeah, the key distinction is where the rest of the roster is. And they have a lot of good young players that they didn't have in 2018. That was a roster of a lot of veterans who, you know, realistically should not have been part of the two or three year planning process. sort of turned into part of it. And I think that was what Howie would say was a bit of a mistake was not to throw specific guys under the bus, but, you know, like the Alshan Jeffrey contract doesn't look good in retrospect. That was an older player. That's a much different player in his career than

planning on paying Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith and the guys who are going to be coming up, even eventually if you really want to forecast out, you know, Quinnian Mitchell and Cooper DeGine. And so, you know, he says, he's right about this, Jeffrey, when he says that if you pay everybody on the roster what their market value is, then eventually you're not going to be able to pay the guys that you really want to pay. That's just not how the salary cap works. And obviously, there are some ways to create extra room, the way that the Eagles structure contracts, but that is true. And that is part of the reason why you let Milton Williams go, a Josh Schwett go. I still think there is some debate about, you know, C.J. Gardner Johnson and Dallas Goddardt, but that is certainly

the operating procedure that they have is we want to win big. We've got to pay the guys who are coming, and we've got to have a lot of room on the roster for younger players, which is an opportunity for you to bring up the thing that you sent me today about the structure of the Eagles roster. There's no middle class, much like the country of the United States of America. Well, yeah, I mean, Howie Roseman, this is something that we've been talking about on this show and I've been writing about for a bit now, which is, yeah, the lack of that middle class. This is a star-driven team, and they want players on rookie contracts.

And anecdotally, the Eagles don't have a single player if Dallas Goddard were to leave. If Dallas Goddor is not back, they don't have a single player between $7 million and $14 million on their roster in terms of the average per year. You compare that to the New York Giants who have seven players in that range. You compare that to the Washington commanders who have seven players in that range. Just keep talking. Okay. How he's not putting that out there, just to say, how he's putting it out there because this roster, and this is something you'll continue to see moving forward. The way that Jeffrey talked about Dallas Goddard, when asked about Dallas Goddard, he lumped him immediately in with C.J. Gardner Johnson and Milton Williams. Do you feel like this is a total fate accompli that he has definitely gone?

or I'm starting to think that it has become so obvious that the contrarian in me is now just thinking, well, this is their public negotiation with Goddard to make him come back on a lesser number, which they want him to do. It's a good question. I was thinking about this. It's been so over the top now. Well, so I actually think that either the Eagles are willing to release Dallas Goddard or like you said, that they are trying to force his hand to come back at a,

at a lower number. I think if they were trying to drive up a trade market right now, they would make it seem like Dallas Goddard's going to be back, right? And try to... But that's not what they did with Hassan Redick last year, right? True, true. No, in that case, Hassan Reddick had essentially demanded a trade, right? So, I mean, but yeah, you are correct about that. I mean, look, the league knows Dallas Goddard's available.

The Eagles haven't been, like, dishonest this week about Dallas Goddard standing on the roster. Nick Siriani, again, he clumsily gave an answer. I was referring to his, or I was discussing this with someone today. Nick Sirius or Howie Roseman's much better at, like, giving non-answers than Nick Sirianney. Zach, I hate to cut you off. We have breaking news. It has happened.

The Eagles have sent Dallas Goddard to the Atlanta Falcons, according to Adam Schaefter, for Kyle Pitts and a third-round pick. Can you believe it? Oh, April Fool's? April Fools! This is, you had me worked up because I saw Howie 15 minutes ago or 20 minutes ago, and I'd be like, how grave a poker face does Howie have that that deal was worked out, and he didn't even, yeah, but yeah, good April Fools. Are you an April Fools fan?

You strike me as someone who plays April Fools jokes a lot. I take offense to that. I don't, I feel like it's, I feel like it's. I feel like it's said with judgment, but that's okay. It's not so you literally just did an April Fool's joke. He has the kind of man who does. April Fool's jokes all the time. You strike me as an April Fool's guy.

Yeah, you were the senior prank guy. I wasn't the senior prank guy. I told a story of like an urban legend that I had heard of the senior prank. That wasn't when I did. You need to listen better. I've heard some of your pranks in the past. Okay, like what? We don't need to get into it on the show.

Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm aware of your game. So, um, so. Clearly not. Uh, I'm aware of your game. Clearly not. So, uh, yeah, no, you should, but that was a good April Fool's joke. You did get me. Yeah, wasn't that good. All right.

You play any April Fool's jokes in your kids? I'm not there. I wish I was. I did it, FaceTime or talk to them this morning? I did not get a chance to. I'm sorry to hear that. Okay. Yeah, thanks for rubbing it in. I would rather be there.

Let's take a break, try to regroup, tell you about living longer and all that good stuff. You know what I like to think of? I think the lines of scrimmage. You know, you've got the offensive, defensive line, the building blocks of a roster. Very much like the cells in our body are the building blocks of life. That's where timeline comes in. Timeline is a supplement that works with those cells to help give you more energy, feel stronger during workouts and preserve health and mobility as you start to age.

The patent ingredient? Mito Pure, a postbiotic nutrient that clears our dysfunctional mitochondria, aka your cell's battery packs. With regular use, you will see and feel the difference in the form of improved energy levels, better workouts, faster recovery, more endurance, and more. Mito Pure recharges your cells and helps your body's system to work better, Mitopure is the only supplement clinically proven to rejuvenate health at the cellular level. Mitopure is shown to deliver double-digit increases in muscle strength and endurance without a change in exercise.

Yeah, I'd say that's a win. Right now, Timeline is giving you 10% off your order of mitopure. Go to Timeline.com slash P-H-L-Y today to get started. That's timeline.com slash p-l-y. Timeline.com slash P-H-L-Y. It is April 1st. It is April Fool's Day, but you know what else that means? It's the first of the month, which means that your rent might be due, which means your credit card statement, your credit card bill might be due.

There's a lot of finances that you need to pay attention to, and you should have Monarch money to help you with that because finances can be messy and confusing. Monarch money acts like your personal CFO. I always wanted a personal CFO, giving you full visibility and control so you can stop earning and start growing. It's more than your average budgeting act. Monarch money is a complete financial command center for your accounts, investments, and goals. Don't just manage your money. Start building wealth with 50% off your first year for our listeners. Start managing your finances to build a life you actually want.

Monarch makes managing money simple, easy for busy lives. You can track your spending, savings, and investments effortlessly, so you can focus on what matters most, making your biggest life goals a reality. It was named the Wall Street Journal's best budgeting app of 2025, so you know it's good. The top recommended personal finance app by users and experts with over 30,000 five-star reviews. Financial stress is one of the top reasons that relationships fall apart. Monarch Money makes money conversations easier.

Get control of your overall finances with Monarch Money. Use code P-H-L-Y at monarchmoney.com in your browser for half off your first year. That's 50% off your first year at monarchmoney.com with code P-H-L-Y. So I have a super chat from Baldiani who says, can we get three Lolitas from Z-B? Lolita. Lolita, Lolita, Lolita. Light of my life. With enunciation.

All right. Very nice. All right. let's run down sort of the quick checklist of other things Jeffrey talked about, and then we'll get into the tush push. Okay. And then after that, we'll get to Siriani and everything else that's going on here. The stadium, any update on the stadium?

No, there's no update on the stadium. Julian Lurie. Any update on Julian Lurie? You asked a question. Why don't you share? Sure. He said he's been impressed with Julian. He's been involved in both the football operations and the business side of the building.

But the key takeaway here, Jeffrey Lurie is saying, I still feel like a kid again. So this is not Julian Lurie's ascension to the throne is not necessarily a short-term prognostication. Do you buy that? I do. Yeah. I think Jeffrey, I think he's passionate about this. He enjoys it. He's, you know, I think he's down here a lot in Florida.

Okay. So, no, so I mean, he's looking good these days, right? And, yeah, I think he's as good as you. I don't know about that, but. I mean, you're looking fly in that, in that teen jacket. We talked about it on yesterday's show. What a tease. You're delivering.

I didn't wear it last night. I was, we'll say that for overtime. All right. But no, he, yeah, I still think he's, he's passionate about this. He calls it an obsession. that's a term he's used quite a bit. And I do think that he's got some legs left in owning the team. I do think about this from a Jeffrey Lurie standpoint,

specifically here at the owner's meetings, because, I mean, what a chance to just peacock around, right? Like, you are the Super Bowl champion owner. You're here with all the other owners. And I think there's probably a little bit of a less-than syndrome with Jeffrey relative to the other owners. he is, you know, towards the low end of wealth among these billionaires, which is a silly thing to say. But, you know, everything is a comparison, right?

I think he probably feels that. We've talked about, you know, he's one of the only owners who, like, this is his only business. And so he deserves to be prideful over that. And so it must be kind of a fun week for him to be, you know, soaking up the congratulations, even though they may be hollow. I don't know if they're hollow. I think they're certainly merited. And yeah, I mean, look, this is, this is his life's work. And he's not a new kid on the block.

I mean, he's one of the tenured owners in the NFL at this point, right? I mean, he's been an owner for going on to 31 years now. Is that right? He fought the team in 94, so 31 years. You would be the, I would go to you for that expertise. Yeah, 31 years. I mean, that's a long. time. And so, I mean, there were owners beatings probably two decades ago when he was one of the

new kids on the block, but a lot of these teams have either changed hands or have gone to children of previous owners. And so, yeah, I mean, I think he very much views himself as one of the top owners in the end of the league. I do think he feels that way. He got a question today about his his legacy and he said he doesn't think in those terms but he said he said that's for other people to decide but look he's been the two super bowlers he's wanted to suppose he's been the four um and i don't know if this is going to end anytime soon what did what did he say when you asked him how this one was different than the first one he said your lean into that bad boy he said your your first one is incomparable right like nothing compares to that first one he doesn't like to

compare. It's like Howie said. It's like losing your virginity. Yeah, I suppose. That's what Howie said. Yeah. Second time you know what you're doing. This is reporting. This is what the general manager said. I saw the interview with. I can't speak to Howie's experience with that. I can't speak to your experience with that.

I didn't ask you to. Yeah. Everyone's got their own experience with first time, second time. However, yeah. And then, um, that's it. I only got two kids. Ah, come on. You were, I mean,

I heard the man about town back in high school. You can't prove that. Yeah. What, were your first team all stayed or something? Or got to pitch here? I mean, I led the county innings pitch. Unfortunately, that was not a direct one-to-one for sex having. Yeah, led the county.

You tell me that leading the county in innings pitch doesn't lead to peacocking around parties. not as much as I would have liked. I would imagine it does. In any event, he said that, but he said this one was easier in the fourth quarter, right? It was more relaxing.

And I do remember the owner's meetings it was in Orlando in 2018 when he was talking about that Super Bowl. And he said that he watched it eight times. He watched it eight times. I think he was the number that he said back then. And I know because I actually read the story. I believe you.

And he said that. every time when Tom Brady threw it up. I think it was Donovan, actually. When Brady threw it in Elmerie, he was afraid it was going to be caught, right? Like, you know, and like your heart sinks at that moment. And no, this one was much more enjoyable, I imagine, throughout the second half. What did he say when he was asked about what the money is going to go towards the minority stake that was sold? Oh, he just said liquidity.

Yeah. Right? Yeah, I was going to ask that. question in a different way. Oh, what were you going to ask? I was going to ask the impetus for it, right? Okay. As opposed to what the money was for.

But I think the money is for him to enjoy, right? Listen, we're in Palm Beach. He lives around here. I see a bunch of beautiful yachts in the harbor. Maybe he wants one of those. Or maybe he just wants liquidity, right? You know, because if you- Cash rules everything around me.

He didn't get the money. What's that? Jeffrey, Jeffrey, there we all. Well, no, I mean, I, I, I mean, I, I think that, look, if I owned a franchise, I would sell a minority stake. You get the cash, you don't give up any control, right? Now, he said that he was purposeful in the partners that he chose. He chose two families who, you know, he thought would fit well.

And, yeah, so he discussed that. But he said it was essentially a liquidity opportunity. community. Okay. What about some of the other roster decisions? We've sort of discussed the C.J. Garner Johnson trade. What did he say about Zach Baum? Yeah, I mean, he said this is someone who, like, Howie had conversations with during the year. You know, they deferred to Howie on the timing of it, but just kind of talk about the exceptional player at Zach Ball. And said he may, it was clear he was the number one priority. Yes. Yes. Which, you, but it was interesting. It was like so set in stone, I think.

And as we said, that's how it was reflected. Anything else besides Tushbush that we need to go over? I don't know here. What are you afraid of? I'm afraid of this going on a rabbit hole. I don't want to. Oh, the White House. Yeah.

So that's why we can steer clear of it. I mean, it is topical, relatively speaking. Yeah. But, yeah, we might be. Well, tell you, give me the straight news report of what he said. The straight news reporting is that he says it's like a time on tradition, essentially, that championship teams go to it. The circumstances were different a few years ago, but the invitation now is such that they're going. He said it's not a political position at all.

It's you're being invited to the White House. Now, Nick Siriani was really excited for this. It's true. Nick Seriani couldn't contain his excitement. Jeffrey Lurie, I think he explained it probably comparably to Dave Roberts, the manager of Los Angeles doctors. Famously, of course. Which was kind of pointing out, you know. Lean in, lean in.

Jeffrey, you know, Jeffrey Lurie, you know, he did not speak about the president specifically spoke about the institution in general. He spoke about the White House as opposed to like, you know, and I think that's. Yeah, that unfortunately, that distinction does not exist. Again, we don't need to go down that rabbit hole. This is a, he viewed like, you know, championship teams getting invited to the White House. You're being honored for winning the Super Bowl. That's a wonderful thing to be honored for. But he didn't really, he was asked a good question by Elliot about, you know, why is it different this time?

And he just said the circumstances were different then, but didn't explain how. Yeah, I mean, I think if, if, uh, Look, it's a matter of public record that in 2000. The circumstances then being the players didn't want to go in this year they do. In 2016, I'm sorry, in 2017, you know, President Trump said that he referred to players in a very derogatory way. If I'm being honest with you, we called, you know, he was. And there was a lot going on there at the time regarding the anthem. and yeah, and he, there was a lot of unrest with the NFL and the White House at the time.

So that was the circumstances and it's a matter of public record. He was disinvited because players did not want to go. Malcolm Jenkins at the time said he's not interested in a photo op. He would go if he would have meaningful conversation about, you know, some of the issues. and this is a photo off of that's that's what you're going for you're not you're not going there for a legislative agenda you're going there to take a photo at the white house for posterity essentially so that um i i think that's the difference in these circumstances that geoffrey was referring to okay i don't there's not much to say when they actually go we'll have to talk about that

on the tush push. Yeah. What happened today before Jeffrey Lurie spoke? Yeah, so actually in this room right over there, Rich McKay from the competition committee spoke in a meeting room right over there. He should be one of the owners, you know, his name is Rich. So in a meeting room right over there, they had a vote. They decided, well, it actually didn't go to vote.

It was in a informal vote, reportedly it was 1616. and it got tabled until next May, the owner's meeting, until this May, the owner's meetings in Minnesota in the spring in May. There will be a vote then. There's going to be amended language. Rich McKay said there were three things that came up. One being player safety,

two being the aesthetics of the play. And then it won't, no, two being whether the defense can stop it. And three being the historical context of it, right? Like football history here. He said that, there were as many people opposed to it for football reasons as there were for player safety reasons. So Jeffrey Lurie had, I think, I want to say, I want to call them spirited.

I would call them pointed remarks about both those. I think Albert Breer reported that Howie Roseman was vocal in that meeting in defense of the play. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, like regarding the aesthetics of it, Jeffrey Lurie. A ridiculous argument. Yeah, Jeffrey Lurie said there was a time when the four pass wasn't considered. an aesthetically pleasing play. And he doesn't, he says, like, aesthetics are subjective that, which is completely true.

And he said, you know, what's a screen pass compared to an out pattern or an in pattern, right? And, and so. Yeah. Well, how did you feel about his pronunciation of the word root instead of route? Yeah. Yeah, you don't hear a lot of root in football parlance. Yeah, growing up, I used to say, honestly, I used to say like Route 309. Well, that's different, though.

You hear that. Yeah. And then when I got into covering football, but football-wise, we don't hear a lot of, you don't hear a lot of football guys going, you know, run a fly route. No, but it's so, but I remember calling it first when I was young. Okay. What, like what route are you taking and what, yeah. Again, not uncommon.

It is uncommon in football parlance. Exactly. So I said once I started getting involved in football, I, I adjusted the way I said. Okay. Yeah, I wouldn't call, I wouldn't call a road a route either. You called a route. Yeah. You call it.

Yeah, I think so. Route 66. Route 96. No, it's I 95. But yeah, Route 66. Yeah. I wouldn't say Route 66. Yeah, through State of Virginia.

But I would say an out route. We should have followed up with them on this. Should we put in an interview request? You can. Okay. You can. Yeah, so he essentially said that he cares about scoring, right? He cares about scoring and winning and whatever it takes to do it.

And he said the Eagles have. I've worked on this. And he said they actually weren't as good at it last year. And they need to get better at it. But regarding the player safety, he said if this was a matter of player safety, like I said, the top jumping ahead, of course,

he said they would vote against it, but there's no data that suggests it's an unsafe play. And the argument from the league and from that doctor from the league is not that it's not about data on it. injuries so far, and this is about the possible severity of an injury because of the position of the quarterback when he's being pushed could lead to a catastrophic neck injury. I'm certainly open to that, and you would imagine from the owner's perspective, more than player safety, it's about quarterback safety, and those are the players who are invested

in the league, and it's a gross calculation they have to make, but those would be much more severe to the NFL brand than, you know, a Damar Hamlin situation for them. However, it's hard to, it's hard to really know whether that's any more significant than any other NFL play. And so it's, it's easy to be skeptical that this is not a reason that they're making up because they just don't like to play. Yeah. And interestingly, he said, and I don't know if it's based on their internal research or, or what, I mean, I have to listen back. But he said they actually find it to be a safer play than the quarterback sneak.

Jeffrey said the quarterbacks like it more. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if there's data behind that. I mean, it was, I mean, not to get ahead of ourselves here regarding Nick Siriani, but I don't know if Nick did this intentionally or if he was coach to do this, but he made a comment today about Bart Star and that this has been, you know, that this place has been going on.

since Bart Starr, which, to me, seems intentional. Mr. Green Bay Packers are the one that proposed this rule. Yes. And well, and Mark Murphy brought up Bart Starr in that open letter. Yes. And so the inside baseball of how this works now, they're going to rewrite the rule proposal because the rule proposal itself was incomprehensible

and unadjudicable. And so they're going to try to clean that up. And my sense is that in, May, they're going to pass some kind of ban. Yeah, I think, you know, they said they're going to try to get back to the 2004 language. 2004, you were not allowed to push or pull. And that got taken away because they found it to be difficult to legislate. Any ball carrier or just the quarterback?

Any ball carrier. Okay. And so I think that it'll probably return to a variation of that 2004 rule. To me, that would be fine. Then it's not singling out the push push. If you're just saying we're not allowed to push the ball carrier forward anymore, that's a reasonable rule change to me, I think. Yeah, I mean, I spoke to someone today who said the defense against the push push

is that the defense can't push you four yards. So why can the offense, defense can't push a player four yards? So why can't the offense push a player four yards? It is ridiculous, as we joked about on the show yesterday, that this is what everybody here is talking about. it's a play that was run what like 50 times this year max

and we're going to get two more months of this BS just make a decision and move on yeah I I kind of agree with you it's you know it's it's funny because I came here thinking it was kind of overstated

and then just the pure volume of people here who talk about it and think about it and are asking about it and I'm like you know I'm going to look at my head in the sand thinking that I need to be exploring in the right guard situation when people want to know about

the quarterback sneak. There you go. Have you ever have ever been somewhere and like you see someone you know there's stories of like twins who are separated at birth, right? And then somehow they find each other

later in life. Have you ever seen like your doppelganger in person? No. No? No doppelganger? I actually had that experience today here of all places. Yeah, Julie, if you want to

flash up that photo that I sent you. Uncanny, what you will see here. There's me, and there in the background is a guy who looks exactly like me. Can you believe that? In between the trees, spitting images of each other. Josh Harris enjoying lunch, and you crippling a photo of him. I don't think that was lunch. That was early. Well, you cruebly taking a photo of Joshua. Yeah, it was for probably drinking kids' blood or something. God, I don't know what it was. You know, someone told me a firm handshake.

I respect that. I always appreciated a firm handshake. Of course, yeah. The important judge of a character, firm handshake, not everything they've done with their lives. Formed handshake with someone in the eyes and smiles. It's a good start. It's a good introduction to somebody.

Yeah, but only if it's a blank slate and you don't know anything about them. True, true. A super chat from Claude who says, I know we don't root for the owner, but it's nice to know we seemingly root for the only team whose owner actually has some integrity. I mean, yeah, like I do think Jeffrey Little Park's in a good place on many issues.

I can't speak to a lot of the other owners, but, you know, I've spent 15... I can speak to some of them. I spent 14 years around Jeffrey, and like any person, you know, there are things you can quibble with and things you can disagree with, but I think, I do think,

fine, large, is his arts in the right place. And I think he's, like, well-reasoned and well-thought-out. I don't think he's as whimsical as maybe some other people are. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know whimsical is the... What owners are whimsical? Jerry Jones, I would imagine. Yeah, I don't know if whimsical is the right way.

Do you want to use whimsical? I guess. Like does things on a whim, says things on a whim? Yeah. Is that the wrong use of whimsical? I feel like that's not precisely correct, but that's okay. I could be wrong. I'm open to it.

What was I going to say? Oh, to your point, I do think that, like, as a fan, you are absolutely in good shape relative to the rest of the league with Jeffrey Larry as your owner. And I think one of the things, the reasons that's true is when he was talking about Julian, and, you know, Julian grew up in Philadelphia, unlike me. Like, he does care about the stewardship to the community that cares about the Eagles more than it cares about anything else. Yeah, I mean, look, we discussed this.

He said that, he said back, you know, when he bought the team, because look, he's not from Philly. He'll tell you that. And there were other teams that he was trying to purchase, right? but whatever he purchased the team, he would move to that city. So he raised his kids in Philadelphia. I mean, he lived for most of the year in Philly for 25, 30 years. I mean, I don't know. He spends most of his year down here now or elsewhere, but he does care about Philly.

And he spoke today, too, in his opening statement, there were two things. the second part of it, he spoke about the parade and just like how indescribable that is seeing seeing like the passion of the fans. And that's something that I've never been on a parade flow. You know, I can't imagine what it must be like to be anyone on those buses and just seeing the mass of people. Jeffrey said one million, two million, whatever the number may be. but just the massive people, the excitement, the joy that came to their lives. And the first thing he said was how many people it takes to win. He said he mentioned Howie and Nick.

There's a lot of people who don't get written about who factor in. And that's something that we talked about on this show, too, is that, you know, say what you want about the Eagles, there's a lot of talented people who work inside that building. And, you know, I've heard Howie say the most important thing that he does is hire people, right? And there's a lot of, like, you know, good, smart people who contributed to the Eagles winning Super Bowl. Amen. Well set. All right.

Let's take a quick break here from our other sponsors and come back and talk some more ball. We're here what Nick Siriani had to say this morning, bright and early. Hey, let's talk about our friends at Bair Park's Casino. One thing I love about Parks Casino is the Bet Park's app. All the games we love to play in person at Parks Casino, like Parks Casino, like Parks Casino. Pop culture slots, roulette, cards, dice games, and more can also be played on the Bet Parks app. Parks Online Casino has the games you love, whether you're at home or on the go. Download the Bet Parks app and create an account today to receive an offer that you cannot pass up.

A lot of noise around here. Sounds a bit like a casino. New users are eligible to receive up to $1,000 back if you are down in the first 24 hours after signing up. Fed Parks Online Casino is available to Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, and Michigan residents. Terms and Conditions Apply Parks Casino, this is how you win. Must be 21 and over a gambling problem. Call 1-800 gambler. I want to tell everyone about True Park Financial Credit Union headquartered in Fort Washington, where Julia went to high school.

It's not almost spring. It is spring, okay? And it's April 1st, and that means it's time to spring in the savings. If you have financial goals, whether it's buying a house, taking the dream vacation, building your emergency fund or staying at the Breakers Hotel, Truemark Financial Credit Union has the perfect savings account for you. TrueMark offers high-rate certificates and money market accounts to help your money grow faster and work harder for you. Visit trumark.com for rates to learn more. TrueMark financial, federal insured by the NCUA. Equal Opportunity lender rates are subject to change.

Do you see this second? Britain Covey signing with the Miami Dolphins. I think not see that. Good for Britain Covey. You're surprised to let him go? No, because as I discussed with Nick, they love himself from Avery Williams. We'll get to that.

Just after I tell you, April Fools, Britain Covey has not signed anywhere yet. You see, you're a big guy, right? There you go. You strike his April Fools. All right, let's talk Avery Williams, because honestly, this was one of the very funny parts of the morning.

Now let's set the scene. This afternoon, we're waiting around for Jeffrey Lurie, and it's like, okay, he's probably going to be about 2.30. Okay, it's actually probably going to be about 5 o'clock. Okay, it's actually going to be about 3 o'clock. You know, we're playing on the whim of when they're done with meetings.

Are they wind? No, see, whimsical is more, has more of a playful air to. Whimsical is like, like you're having fun. I don't think that Jerry Jones like acting on a whim is different than him being whimsical. He's not a court jester.

Okay, fair enough. I misuse the word. So anyway, the owner thing, it's like you're waiting around. You know, you've got to be on their time. It's a little bit like Jalen Hertz, honestly. Whereas this morning, interesting scene, because last night we'll get to it. A big party, of course. Everybody's sucking them back.

And some of us. The morning, the coaches breakfast podium session or whatever roundtable is at 745 in the morning. Now, we knew that Nick Siriani was going to be a very popular table, not just with the national reporters, but the Eagles have a big beat here. So you got to make this calculation. There's only about eight seats. Eight seats at the table. One of them's got to be for Nick Siriani. How it's a tough game.

How early do you have to get here in order to make sure you get a table? a seat at the table. I got here right at 645, and I got what was the second to last seat at the table. I beat you by about one minute, Zach. Yeah. You got the last seat at the table. Boy, would you not have been happy if you had to stand up for that whole thing?

I would have played him, Sheel. Why? I'll tell you exactly why, because I told Sheel, I would not text when I'm in the car when I'm driving. And he said that you should respond to text. when you get to the destination. So every time I get, I park, I go and I respond to text that I missed when I was driving,

if I'm not. And so I responded to like three, four texts. You were getting a lot of texts at 6.30 at the morning. Yeah. Yeah, that's a popular time for Texas. Okay. Yeah, I mean, catch up on scores a night before, games from that before.

Yeah, someone's telling me. In this case, I got to defend Sheila a little bit here. you're allowed to read the room. You could have gotten here to the seat and then responded to the text. You would have had an hour and a half to kill. My son was texting me. So, yeah. So, well, in any event, I got in at 646.

I thought it'd be good. I was up at 4.45 this morning. If I got up 4.45 and I didn't get a seat at the table, I'm pretty frustrated. But fortunately, I got one of the last seats at the table. Shout out to Brooks Cabina for getting the first seat today. Athletically, that's a good place to be. For some people. Yeah.

Okay. Now, clearly the highlight of Nick's entire session was his love affair for Avery Williams. Yeah, I got to say, I'd like Nick first. For Kenny Gainwell. I mean, the guy has barely gotten used to being in Pittsburgh, and Nick Siriani has already gotten a new lover. Yeah, I mean, Nick is my least favorite one here. like to talk to at these things oh god i get nick don't watch this i love i enjoy talking to you no no no no i enjoy talking no comparison is the people of joy zach yeah but if if you're saying i'm yeah

you are correct like it is yeah well said you're yeah but when we're sitting at that table like i'm like nick you're allowed i'm sorry julia's telling me to lean into the mic i'm sorry julia um so Nick, you're allowed to answer questions substantively, right? Everything is, yeah, we'll see. I don't want to get into that. We'll see. But Avery Williams, he brought up a few times and just how excited he is for every Williams' role.

So this was a substantive thing. I like substantive answers. And he was referring to who we know is a special teams guy. I mean, he's taking offensive snaps, defensive snaps, but he's taking a lot of special team snaps in the NFL. But he said Avery Williams could have an offensive role this year as well. So we will see. But yeah, he loved him to Major Williams.

David Williams is someone he's excited for as a returner. Okay. What else did Nick Siriani have to say? You mentioned his enthusiastic response about the White House. What else beyond that? Yeah. So obviously the Tush Push came up. He spoke about this at the Combine where he said he was insulted by the idea that's not a football play.

He said the amount of work that he put in. But it was interesting today. He spoke about the evolution of the, quarterback sneak. Going back to when Jacoby Brissette did it with him with the Colts, he said that then he gets the Philly, 2011, they ran a quarterback sneak,

but then they motioned Dallas Goddard into the backfield, and they're like, we could do some different possibilities. That was the eureka moment. Yes. And then 2020, week one against Detroit's 38, 35,

fourth and, you know, fourth and one, they keep the offense on the field. They run a quarterback sneak that essentially clenches the game. And it hits them. we're going to need this play this year, right? So they need to add some different variations to it.

So then they add a pusher. And then they start adding some compliments to the pusher. Very nice job pushing there you did. Yeah. So compliments with a knee. So that was cool hearing him discuss that evolution there. He spoke about, he gave good answer to you about hunger. And he said he found during his time of Mount Union that they were more hungry after

championships. But he said he's not worried about lack of your based on the leadership of the team. He said try, you know, working with Sequin Barclay and Joe and Hertz and slacking off. It's not going to last. And he also pointed to, you know, there will be bigger roles for young players. And so they will be enthusiastic about being a bigger part of a team and wanting to be part of a team getting back to the top. No surprise that it came back to Mount Union. But I do. I mean, this is going to be a

real challenge for Nick Siriana this year. I mean, there was a lot of sacrifice asked for the players last year. Like, do you imagine they're going to practice the same amount they did during the season this year as they did last year? You know, before we even get to the offseason schedule? During the season, yeah, I do. I think it's a recipe that will work last year. Now, they are, they're obviously going to be mindful of the health of guys, but they actually have fewer older guys than they had a year ago. But I would imagine players like AJ and DeFonte, who are even in their 20s, probably be on practice plans, Sequin. But even in,

you know, the mythical disease of Moore, right? I think you have pointed to, we expect this to be a slightly more past first offense. Yeah. You know, maybe this year, AJ Brown and Devante Smith will be less willing to take a

back seat on offense. Yeah, that's, that's, it's a, it's a valid question and that needs to play itself out because really it comes down to the fact that I don't think, I don't, I thought you asked a good question. If we were at like a dinner table and we can actually have a conversation and said, just wrap the fire, I would say to Nick that like, I think it's, it's not as much about hunger,

but about credit. Like everyone kind of feels that like they're responsible for the reason that you want. You know, that, that, so people, that's a good friend. What kind of happened to inflated? I don't want to say inflated because, you know, often. it's justifiable, but, but they, you know, they, they kind of smell their own stink, if you will. And that's, that's what I'm curious to see, whether it's J.1 Hurts, AJ Brown, Devonthe Smith, Sequin, the offensive line, Nick Siriani, you know, you go on down to that.

Trevor Keegan. Yeah, when you win, you think you were the reason, right? And everyone, everyone wants credit. It's, it's ourselves included, right? When, like, you know, I don't need any credit for the Eagles winning the Super Bowl. No, no, let me finish here. When there's a company memo after the Super Bowl, we want to mention, like, you know,

the work we put into it too, right? Like, you want to be recognized for the work that you do. Super chat from LB908, who says younger players like Ringo, Quinyan Mitchell. Interesting point here you bring up, because actually, you might not realize this, Keating Ringo, despite being drafted in 2022, no, 2022,

and Quinnine Mitchell being drafted in 2024, Keely Ringgo was actually younger than Quignon Mitchell. Quinnion Mitchell, who was mentioned, not in a major way, but guys who like bring a certain edge to the way they play, not necessarily fire, but edge, but to that point. Yeah, this is the C.J. Garner-Johnson conversation we had,

that this defense doesn't need that energy as much because it already has guys who provide it. So I'm going to blend kind of two answers together here. The C.J. Garner Johnson wanted them replacing your Brandon Graham, Darius Slay. I do have real news for you now. Callias Campbell has signed with the Philadelphia Eagles one year $5.5.5 million dollars. Adam Shepter reporting. Really?

Yes. No, I think it's the Arizona. Calias Campbell actually signing with the Arizona Cardinals for one year, $5.5 million. April Fool. Ah, you see, this is going to be like the boy who cried wolf at some point. You're right? They're going to make them move. I hope so.

Yeah. Well, you have a flight to catch, so you don't want to late move tonight. You got to get home and see your family. They will all be asleep, I hope. It's a late flight. Gotcha. You're not getting rid of me that easily, my man. You'll see them when you wake up tomorrow.

You'll run over to their bedrooms. That's exciting. I don't think it quite works that way, but okay. In my house, I, and we will say, don't wake up the kids. And I'll say, I can't wait to see them, right? Like, every morning. Okay. Yeah.

And then I'll walk in and, you know, Morning Sloan, what you dream about? Yeah? Yeah, every day. I'm excited to see that. Well, not today. Not today. Well, no, I called her and I said, what you're true?

I said, what did you dream about? In any event, yeah, so Nolan Smith is a player that he answered for both those questions, for the leadership and for the end and for the fire. And he kept going back to Nolan Smith. And I think Nolan Smith is someone that they're counting on to kind of be a big presence in the locker room. Yeah, how do you feel about that? I mean, he's certainly

an alpha personality. I mean, you saw it like, I don't put too much stock in the press conferences, but when the Eagles shirapted, the jail and Carter, they had Nolan Smith up there with Jan Carter, and Nolan Smith was answering the questions for Jalen Carter, right? And no one, yeah, so Nolan Smith is,

he certainly has a certain edge to him. Different way. appropriate. Good position for him to play. Ah, look at you. You are sharp. A Wake Forest education. Sharp as a wet noodle.

Okay. Yeah, so, yeah, Nolan Smith's name came up quite a bit there. Elsewhere with Nick Siriani, and there's a piece, by the way, on all p.hly.com. Make sure you're a diehard, and you can also read the top 100. Ah, flash up that graphic. Of course. Good time to become a diehard. And not only do you get access to Fran Duffy's entire draft.

which has write-ups on over 200 prospects in the draft. You also get a nice bespoke ranking of prospects for the Eagles, specifically, the Eagles 100. That you put work into it. I respect that. Yeah. So for the first time in a year and a half working for PHOI, I have put in some work. I did not say that, but I did not say that. But it is April 1st today, and that means we are in draft month.

How exciting. How exciting is that to what we are. April fools. I didn't actually do any work. No, we are in draft month. That is, that's awesome, right? There is, you know, I always view the end of the owners meetings. I turn in the draft mode when I get back from the owners meeting.

What constitutes draft mode? Draft mode is when I am, like, thinking about the draft all the time, you know. I'm going deep in terms of what the Eagles might be thinking, the prospects, sending text, making calls. I have a good sense of the, I don't do as much of the, I do more of the forecasting this month rather than the, I'm not that I'm an evaluator, but like, I try to do more of the forecasting this, this month, getting a sense of kind of what the Eagles might be. Well, I'm rooting for you this year to match me in terms of my ability to correctly predict who the Eagles were going to draft last year in the first round, unlike you. Nothing beats a boat bit. No bit about it. A bit about it, okay.

Okay. What else from Nick? Any roster questions that were looming? You asked him about Red Guard? I didn't actually have to ask him specifically about right guard. A lot of Tyler Steen questions. Yeah, I asked him about Cooper Dean. Because, of course, famously, he forgot Tyler Steen existed this time last year.

I asked him about Cooper the Gene. And there's an Instagram account that was. that posted. Did you see this photo here? No. Okay. Okay. It's P.HLY Sickos.

I don't follow it. I guess Emily does. So, I guess my poop in the gene playing a lot or the outside. He said he was very productive last year on at slot. They wrote value versatility. So we'll see.

We'll see how that plays out for all of this. For all the roster questions, he kept saying, we'll see. The roster is going to change. And that's something that really emphasized from like yesterday's show, too, even, you know, that this, how we made the point, this, this, this, this roster's incomplete. And I used the example of the last time we were here. Did I say this on the show? The last time we were here, three years ago, by the water, by the water over there. I was yelled at.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, that was a different thing. Yeah. but the Eagles were kind of talk, you know, there was a lot of angst in the city about the lack of action. A month later, they trade for A.J. Brown. A few weeks after that, they signed James Bradbury.

A few months after that, they trade for C.J. Gardner Johnson. So, look, this roster is going to continue to evolve. I'm not saying Howie deserves the benefit of the doubt. Like, it's up to each fan, whether they want to give it to him or not. But I also don't think, like, Howie is looking at this. team right now and is like, yeah, we're fine at safety. Yeah, we're like, of course not. We're going to continue to add. Yeah. A good super chat from Vince, who reminds us that we're going to have a draft summit coming up, a prime time in-person event on April 17th, one week away.

The Thursday before the NFL draft, looking forward to that. More information to come. I'm really upset about it. Vince, you have, you have done it. Unfortunately, you have ruined Zach's day. Yeah. I love. I love being at these events. I love seeing viewers and listeners in person and getting a chance to talk to them. I will be out of town that week for something previously scheduled. But interestingly, I've had a number of viewers and listeners because I'm speaking at a conference out in Fort Collins, Colorado, asking if they can come.

So, Dr. Goldsmith, if you're watching right now, I'll text you on the side, but let me know if people from Denver can, can, can't come up and hear and hear us speak. Lest you be downgraded to Dr. Silversmith. Give the man an answer. And make sure that you join us for the rest of this episode coming up on overtime. Yeah, definitely go to the draft summit.

I think that's awesome. I love them. I love when we do these events and we'll be doing more of these events going forward. All right. Now that we have reached overtime, let's talk about the shirt jacket. I think you look great today.

It's nice you to say. Well, I think it's a good look for you. Thank you. I do think it's a better look for today than it would have been for last night. I think you made the right decision, not going with it last night. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I'm gazing you up.

I think you did some good decision making. I appreciate it. I was like, I was kind of like, so to tell the audience, I wore a jacket and button down last night. You look good. Because you were in my head about it. And then on the ride home, I was like, worried because I don't have enough clothes. Like I don't have any more choice. So my own choice is to wear a T-shirt or to wear the same shirt I wore last night with a different jacket.

Nobody would have noticed. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, God. And then this is something that's on my mind. And then I was like, and my amazing wife says, said something along the effects that you shouldn't let both determine what you're going to wear. Certainly true. And so,

smart woman. So I said, you know what, I'm just going to wear what I packed. So I was supposed to wear this last night. And then I was going to wear, I don't know why I need to get into this. We're here. The jacket I wore last night with a white t-shirt today. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I packed two T-shirts to wear me.

So you did have an extra because you had the button down. Yeah, that I wore that last night. Yeah. So I had a button down, two T-shirts, two jackets. I think you made the right decision. I think this is a good look for the day event. Okay. I think the nighttime party, I think it would.

I think it wouldn't have fit in quite as well. Okay. But I, yeah, so I appreciate the compliment here. Maybe you'll be seeing this more. Yeah, hell yeah. Yeah, it's, what did you think of the party last night? It was, look, I appreciate it being there. Good to see Serena Williams.

Serena Williams was there. Awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. You seem unmoved. Yeah, I mean, that's cool. That's true to Serenae was there. I mean, for you, it was cooler to see Cal McNair?

I didn't see Cal. I don't know, I saw him in the lobby today. Yeah. Yeah, Cal and Hannah. Okay. James Gladstone was a bigger pop for you than Serena Williams? I didn't see James last night. Oh, okay.

Yeah. I mean, there was a lot of people I was hoping to confer with last night who didn't confer with, and that did keep me up at night. But, no, it was, it was great. It was, unfortunately, there was weather in the area. And so we had to move inside. And when we moved inside, it was a little more spread out. So when you're outside in the courtyard, everyone's kind of in the same vicinity. Not to say that you're, like, looking over someone's shoulder in a conversation, but you do want to kind of, you want to play the hits, right?

There's certain people that you want to speak to. And I didn't get to speak to everyone I was hoping to catch up with last night, but I really enjoyed every conversation that I had. And it was nice. You get seven minutes in heaven with Jonathan Gannon? I didn't see Jonathan last night. Yeah. Did you?

No. Yeah, I caught up with Jonathan the Super Bowl. Okay. Oh, I'm sorry, not the Super Bowl. I was going to say, was he at the Super Bowl? No, the Combine, rather. Got it. Yeah.

How is he? He's doing well. Family's doing well. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry for you that Therina is no, I don't know, Aaron Glenn. No, it's not that.

I don't get starstruck like that. Yeah. But I think that's cool. I mean, Serena Williams, what was she there eating, having a drink? She was there? She was there? Was she at the party or she at the restaurant? No, she was at the party.

Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm sure she lives in the area. She's not by. Trains people, that's nice. Okay. Right? I mean, I think it's cool to see Bo Wolf.

Yes. Well, of course, you know, Serena, I do feel bad for like every, the couple times I was in her orbit, it's just people coming up and saying like, oh my God, you're amazing. I'm such a huge fan. Like, you're the coolest person in the world. That must be where it's like for you when you go to these book events. And so no one says you're the cool person in the world. All these people saying, I used to read you all the time with the inquiry. What happened to you?

I got that on the curse, like I said. But no, I, I, yeah, I mean, it is, I'll be on. I'm not going to like. Why do you that when you go to these book events and people come up and they say, I love great book or great to meet you. That feels awesome, right? It feels awesome when someone comes in here to speak. So I'm not going to deny that. But, no, I mean, cool to see Serena Williams.

I'll be honest, when I was rolling over in bed last night, I wasn't thinking about not speaking to Serena Williams. Not speaking, that's for sure. What would you have said to Serena? Did you say hello? No. Oh, okay. I met a very nice guy named Zach who was having dessert. That's right.

What was that? What was that? This was right before you left. It was probably about 1115 or so. Yeah. The party itself had ended. The open bar had ended. And so, you know,

everybody's congregating one other place. But it's also part of the restaurant here at this very posh hotel. And some guy and his significant other were getting dessert. And, of course, your eyes lit up because it looked like a nice, fancy big dessert. And then you guys connected on him being Zach. What was the conversation? I didn't get to hear. Well, he spells with an H.

Okay, good. And then he asks, he has where I'm from. He's what I do. And it turns out that his, I don't know, I couldn't really hear well. His sister or his friend actually lives around the corner from me. Really? Yeah. So we conferred about that.

And then we kind of chatted about a job and he's going to check out PHOI. So that was awesome. Fantastic. Always trying to recruit every new subscriber counts. Exactly. I'm trying to recruit new audience literally every single day. every there is not been a day yeah we're back look at that hello uh hello everybody and welcome to the p hl y eagles podcast you're watching overtime the most exciting part of the show

that's basically all we got now what are we going to do for the show tomorrow zach we haven't figured it out because we crossed our streams a little bit yeah i i'm kind of um yeah i'm sorry that that happened i i i booked a flight that gets in a one. And I thought, yeah, so I... Yeah, I think I may have dropped the ball here. I think I was supposed to make a separate plan. There was a miscommunication.

No problem. So... I'll just do a long monologue. No, I don't have a car at the airport. I can take an Uber quickly to or a lift to the studio and try to do the show. Maybe you can get one of those police escorts, the Eagles here. I probably can't get that. If the plane's on time...

Now, we're flying, we're flying a different airline. That might not have the best record in terms of... Yeah, but we're saving the company money. A lot of money. That's why it's a 1 o'clock flight. Yeah, Vince, you're still watching, man, saving about $200. My round trip was $200. Yeah, my overall trip was, yeah, this, the rental car and lunch.

A question in the chat, Zach. That is always a hot topic when Jeffrey does speak. the NFL changed the rules on alternate uniforms this year, allowing teams to potentially where their alternates up to four times. Jesse wants to know, will the Eagles wear Kelly Green four times this year? What do you think? No.

No, yeah, I don't think so either. I think they'll pull it out for big events. Maybe three, Kelly Green, one black? Black. Yeah, I know they like mixing in the black. I'm curious, if I can just do a travel question for you. Sure. Yeah, what's your,

what's your like I don't know tolerance is the right word how do you feel about rental cars like you know if you get a rental car you know I have a rental car here that it's high mileage that's fine but then the Apple car play is not working

and I can't get it's like it just has the circle on the screen and so then you have to look at your phone for the directions but man when I get a rental car that's that's that's not good that's that's vexing to me just because you don't want to look at your phone for four

directions and you know the rental cars are supposed to swap these things out to have like relatively low-mile rental cars yeah now you are you are traveling a farther distance yeah okay than I am I'm only about a 10 minute drive away and so I haven't been using the Apple Car Play and I I I love the Apple Car Play to begin with this is a whole separate conversation. There is too much technology in the cars. It's too much. Like I get the directions is a nice thing to have on the screen.

But I don't need you incorrectly setting my seating settings every time I get in the car. It's wrong. I don't need all these bells and whistles. Just give me a car that drives well, please. That's a separate conversation. My tolerance for the rental car, as long as it doesn't smell. Yeah. I'm okay.

And I do have one that is not great and does have a bit of a bit of a bit of a whiff to it. Yeah, mine's, uh, which I fear is maybe that's a Florida thing. It's just everybody's all sweaty in those bad boys. I mean, it's a again, you know, I'm saving the company money. I got a thrifty, you know, no offense to thrifty, but that's their name for a reason. Um, but I, I could see the, I could see the vexing in the car play. Yeah, that's, uh, that's, that's, that's annoying. So, and I was not great, not great water pressure on my shower at the hotel the last two days, not ideal. I mean, I've had worse. Actually, the hotel. Actually, the hotel. that you and I and Sheel stayed at here three years ago.

One of the worst hotels I've ever said in my life. Yeah, one of the worst. I think we were both sick for several days because of the air relation there. So it is not that bad, but not the best. Yeah. I mean, certainly not the breakers. It's not the breakers. No.

I mean, we talked yesterday how we looked at from convenience perspective, not even a beauty perspective from convenience perspective to be able to stay at the hotel. I am staying 40 minutes away, but my in-laws, my in-laws have a condo down here. They're like snowbirds. And what's the deal? You left your, your ID out. Don't do you have to save me. Olivia saved me.

And I texted a little bit. I texted a little. Was this a drunken stupor situation? No, no, no. It was during the day. It was during the day. She thought I was saving my seat. I was, I think I was trying to get gum out of my.

my pocket and I took out the card. But yeah, I mean, I needed that card to get into the gate. So you left it here. Yeah. I misunderstood. I thought you left it there and she was able to get it. No, no, no, no, no. No, no.

She found it here when I was, and then she texted me when I was driving back for the show. Yes, but, but yeah, no, my in-laws provided me wonderful accommodations. It's awesome. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah. Okay. Any other travel? No, it's just this.

Rental cars, no way because, like, I, I, I, um, I care. Like, I, uh, I, I, I, I, I'm part of it. I got a rental car company that lets you pick the car on the app. Okay. It's a great piece of technology. Yeah, great. And I picked the car on the app. And then when I got there, the car wasn't available anymore.

All right? And so then the options that they showed on the app were like, They assigned me a car. They signed me a three row SUV. I didn't want a three row SUV, okay? Because I don't need eight seats to be driving around. Guzzling gas. 95.

And so I asked for an alternative, and the only alternatives they had. So I got this car. I mean, it's not complaining. I got a... You're not complaining. No, but I just want the car play to work. And so on the screen, I clicked home. And I thought that was, that brings you to a home screen.

but it actually sends you to what's programmed as home. Because somebody who lives in Connecticut, so whoever drove this car from Connecticut, that Florida, they haven't changed, they haven't changed their address. That's very funny. Andrew in the chat, a very nice compliment. I will take that every time.

It's a compliment. I think he said the big doughboys in. And we're back. And we're going to close it. I think that was a sign from Roger Goodell above. Thanks, everybody, for watching. and listening to this episode, we will be back tomorrow

in some form or fashion. Breaking News, Zach, the Eagles have released Jalen Hertz gang ties. Don't joke about that. All right. Thanks for watching, everybody. Nice loopy episode

from the shipping container here. The non-billionaires, we have been cast aside. We're heading back to Philadelphia. For Zach, I'm Bo. For Julia, for hanging with our nonsense. for all you sickos. We thank you for watching.

We'll talk to tomorrow, and as always, we love you.