PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles Postgame: Birds ESCAPE as Saquon Barkley sets franchise rushing record

Episode Date: December 8, 2024

Jalen Hurts did not play his best game as a passer, with A.J. Brown and DeVonta Smith not fully utilizes in the offense, but thanks to Saquon Barkley, C.J. Gardner-Johnson, Jalen Carter and a host of others, the Eagles escaped with a win over the visiting Carolina Panthers. Bryce Young? Not so bad in his return to the Philadelphia area. Grant Calcaterra’s touchdown early in the fourth quarter made a difference, while Nick Sirianni’s decision-making was a huge concern once again.Join the PHLY Eagles crew as they unpack everything that happened from the sloppy performance as Fran Duffy analyzes the action and Zach Berman checks in from the LINC. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the post-game show presented by Bet365. Download the Bet-365 app and use code P-H-L-Y-365 when you sign up. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bet-365. The Eagles escape 22 to 16 with a very ugly win over the Carolina Panthers. We will talk about it all. Let's start with Jamie Lynch. How are you feeling? I don't think I've let out that sigh of relief yet.

this felt, Bo, last year when we were doing the games, it was very much a, all right, they're winning, it's ugly, but a win's a win. I can't complain about it. Now that the Eagles are good again. This felt like a last year win. Yeah, now that the Eagles are good again, I feel like I can complain about a win again. We've had a grace period. It felt like the Browns win a little bit like that. And boy, do we have a lot to get to. We're going to hear from Nick Siriani. We're going to hear from Zach Berman live from the link. We want to hear what you guys think in the comments. Let us know. but man Seyphone Barclay

sets the franchise record for most rushing yards in the season that's good it's gonna be hard to play not much else good you know he went 20 for 124 but Fran Duffy I think the thing that

I am going to be thinking about all week is Nick Siriani's decision at the end of that game the Eagles are up 22 to 16 they have fourth and eight at the 36 yard line with 305 left

and all three timeouts and Jake Elliott in this game had already missed a 52-yard field goal. If you kick a field goal here, it's a 53-yarder. Jake Elliott 0-4-5 on the season. Yep. In 50-plus yard field goals had also missed an extra point in this game

that didn't end up counting because there was a penalty on the Panthers. But Nick Siriani's decision to try to draw them off sides and then punt, not only is, I mean, like cowardly from a what Jeffrey Lernery wants to do standpoint, but is an absolute admission that he doesn't trust Jake Elliott right now. Yep. And the Panthers then drive down the field and almost basically scored the game winning touchdown with Xavier League yet.

So what did you make of Nick Siriani's decision to do those two things there? Ironic to juxtapose that after Thursday night, what we all saw with Dan Campbell going for it with multiple fourth down attempts, you know, just a few days ago. But I think ultimately, yeah, I mean, you teed up perfectly the fact that it's clearly a vote of no confidence in Jake Elliott with where he's at right now. Obviously long term.

No matter what Nick Siriani says in his post-game press conference, it doesn't matter. Like that was show me what you really think right there. No question. It's a, you know, actions speak louder than words in that scenario.

And look, this comes on a drive where Jalen Hertz takes a terrible sack on first down, which we'll get into Jalen Hertz here in this game as well. But, I mean,

that, that end of game sequence there from Nick Siriani from the staff. I mean, that's, it tells a lot. And to your earlier point, Jamie,

I mean, we have talked about like this, this team seems to be playing with more joy over the past couple months. Like they have really been enjoying themselves. This was a bad vibes game for several reasons.

For that, that makes their own a decision. I mean, AJ Brown in this game doesn't get a target until the fourth or fifth offensive drive late in the second quarter. And having been there watching the game live in the first half, I mean, he was upset. Like, he was angry. Even after they score that touchdown at the end of the half, he's like, this is how easy

it is if you just give me the ball and it's hard to blame him. He finishes with just four counts for 43 yards, Devante Smith, four for 37. Jalen Hertz in this game, 14 of 21, for 108 yards and two touchdowns, adding a very impressive couple scrambles, eight for 59 on the ground.

But as a passer, I thought this was my instant reaction was Jalen Hertz's worst game of the season. Can I go through some numbers? I was going through from next-gen stats. Four sacks on nine pressures in this game, which is really, really bad. And the average time to pressure was 3.29 seconds.

That was the slowest of any game for Jalen Hertz this season. And then when you look at some of the other, 3.47 seconds, average time to throw. Slowest of the season for him. So, you know, just the ball not coming out consistently here against what had been a porous Carolina Panthers defense. 5.1 yards per attempt, lowest of the season, 5.6 air yards per attempt, lowest of the season for Jalen Hertz.

There's a poor game. Several times throughout this game where he didn't trust what the call was, basically. He's at the top of his drop. AJ, whatever it is, the play call is there to be. thrown and he just eats it and invites that pressure. And then you even saw that that, I believe it was in the third or fourth quarter, I think was the fourth quarter, that RPO, which last week we saw him throw it away on purpose. You get the penalty instead of taking a loss on first down. In this game, he slides, takes a nine-yard loss when even if it's an RPO that has gone wrong and

you're taking an illegal downfield penalty, it's second and 15. So throw it away, or first than 15, rather. You would get an extra down. What are we doing? Yeah. It was an RPO where they called a slant route to AJ Brown on the RPO and the safety steps in front of the slant. So I see why Jalen didn't throw it. But that's probably like the 10th or 11th. Also like that was like the 10th, at least 10th or 12th, uh, slant route. We saw from AJ Brown over the course of the afternoon. Yeah, it was slant routes and curl routes.

That's what the, that's what this drop back pass game is right now. Um, you know, it was a lot of play action. A lot of, you know, they diversify their things that way. But in terms of like their basic drop back pass game, it is very simple. It is very stripped down. Jamie, you asked me during the watch. along. Why do I think this is the case right now with the Eagles offense? I couldn't say with certainty, but they are making a conscious decision to really streamline what they're doing from a

past game standpoint conceptually right now. Yeah, when you got Mark Sanchez ripping you for not getting rid of the ball quick enough, something's probably wrong. Well, the things that you're talking about, Fran, of like stripping down the passing game and trying to make things as easy as possible for the quarterback, I mean, you got Bryce Young on the other side who is the struggling the number one overall pick, that sounds like the kind of thing they would be doing for him. And by the way,

I thought Price linked going very good today. Yeah, he was pretty impressive today. He made some backbreaking third down plays, kept plays alive, even on that last drive, a couple fourth down plays.

He looked like the cooler, calmer collected quarterback of the two today. Yeah, I mean, the offense right now, or I should say today, like, felt tight. You can tell like the bad vibe.

Yeah, it definitely did not, it was not hitting on all cylinders here today. I mean, it's been a few weeks now since we've seen this past, game really look like the one, the unit that we would come to expect, certainly coming into this season. All right.

Let us know in the chat, both what you think of Jalen Hertz's game and specifically Nick Sirianni's decision to punt there. And I do think we talked about it over the course of the week. You know, his flip-to-field decision against the Ravens last week where they were able to pin them down at the one-yard line and then they forced a punt and then go on to score a touchdown, felt like the kind of thing where he was going to learn the wrong lesson and maybe lean on that again, which is exactly what happened here. And it's a perfect example of why that's not the right decision because they did exactly

what they wanted. Avanti Maddox makes a great play, stepping in as the gunner for Sydney Brown, downs it at the one. Great play. Yep. And they still basically give up the game winning touchdown pass to Xavier League. It goes right through league its hands. And the ball falls incomplete.

Otherwise, that's a touchdown with under 20 seconds. Yeah, something like that remaining. It was still possible because they had three timeouts. Yeah. What a bit of disaster? I will say it's, I didn't like it. it happened live. It has grown on me a little bit more. The punts. Yeah. Really?

Well, like you said, Jake Elliott's kind of dead to them, right? Like, they don't trust them. Yeah. I mean, he's missing point afters. And then go for it. Fourth and eight. And we're, why not? Because the way we've been talking about Jalen for the past 10 minutes. So I think like if I'm Siriani on the sideline real quick, which side of the ball do you trust more? I trust my best unit right now being the defense. Jalen had his struggles today. We just talked about it for five minutes. Jake Elliott was a non-option for them, clearly. So your best unit is the defense. Do you put Bryce Young up against a 97-yard?

It's grown on me more than it did in the moment. I will say that. Now, I do think there's a little bit of cowardice to it. And if you're playing a good opponent, like a playoff opponent, you probably want to go for that there. Yeah, I had a teed up on the fourth down bot. It was a recommendation plus 1.4, win probability to kick the field goal.

And it's basically you're at like 95%. If you make the field goal, you go up to like 99%. But if you miss it, it goes down to 90. If you go for it, if you miss going for it, then it's 91%. And that's the other thing. If you miss it, then you're leaving them with the same field position. But you've still got three timeouts. They've got no timeouts.

I just trust the defense more than any unit on this team right now outside. And we'll get to the defense, but this was not the defense's best game. No, Darius leg got cooked today. Yeah. And I'm not a guy that's like harping on Sleigh every week. I think he's had a really good season. but he got picked on a little bit today. Now, listen, I mean, you're allowed to have bad games.

Yeah, right? It's a 17-game season. I think it does remind me a lot of that Browns game where, like, they did not play their best. You know, Nick Seriani should not be shouting at people, puffing his chest out about this victory. But that doesn't mean that this is a bad team, right? They still got the win.

And after that win, they then started playing much better and are now in the middle of a nine-game winning streak. So I think there are concerns if you're thinking about this team as a Super Bowl contender, which is what they are. But it's nice that they can play their D plus game and still win by six points. Yeah, I mean, that would be the optimistic way to look at it for sure, because I think, again, it's not even just like the offense didn't play well. To your point earlier, the defense did not have a day game here in this football game,

certainly against the run. They allowed the Carolina Panthers to stay on schedule offensively far too often where it's third and medium, second and short, and they're able to just, to keep you stay balanced run game past game and just kind of dink and dunk their way down the football field i mean a couple of those drives in the second half uh you know that final one not withstanding they were 12 plays 15 plays and they would have one play of double-digit yardage everything else was six yards six yards seven yards eight yards four yards and they just was able to they were able to matriculate the ball down the field and i think at the end of the day this defense just did not have

it's a plus game but certainly it was the offense that let them down you nailed it in the pregame show you know you talked about the edges in the rush game and that's kind of you know where they got had today and and they set themselves up for a lot of favorable second and third downs today and you know it wasn't their best day but yeah the run game was interesting Chuba Hubbard goes 26 carries for 92 yards that's only

3 and a half yards per carry yeah but it didn't feel like it felt like they were getting enough yeah right it felt like a lot of like six yard first down which is what they need I mean that's what they needed and that allowed you know Bryce Young where it's all right it's not third nine every single time he dropped back and he was able to take advantage those situations. Bryce Young finishes 19 of 34 for

191 yards, one touchdown, one interception, a 69.6 quarterback rating. Adam Thielen pacing them with nine carries for 102 yards. He said he had five conversions on third and fourth down. So he was the guy that Bryce Young was looking to in those big situations. Yeah, it hadn't happened. It was some inside against Cooper de Gene, some on the outside against the guys on the perimeter. We only heard Quinnian's number.

I was just saying we didn't hear my boys. Nathan. I haven't seen a statue. They're not throwing at your boy. Yeah. Not at all. No, I think it's clear teams avoid them. I mean, you know, young and athletic versus Darius Slay.

Not to, you know, throw strays at Slay there, but like. Like, like coming off injury too. Yeah, like who are you going to pick to go up against? Now, C.J. Garner Johnson, a very interesting day for him, a very eventful day for him. That first drive of the game, he lays that monster hit. Outstanding play. Shelton Brown was in the house today. Sheldon was in the house for that.

Yeah, that was fantastic. and such a clean hit and like clean and violence, which is what you like to see. He leaves the game twice to be evaluated for a concussion, but comes back both times, also makes the interception on the overthrow from Bryce Young. And in this game where the Eagles did not have read Blankenship alongside him, Tristan McCollum playing next to him. You know, if they had lost C.J. Garner Johnson, all of a sudden, then you're looking at Avanti Maddox says the other safety. And so it's, uh, it was, it was potentially getting dire there.

Yeah. And so you saw Maddox was able to come in there for a handful of snaps to, to, to play safety. I think at the end of the day, you know, look, this is a team where you're coming in, you're without Sidney Brown, you're without Reed Blanketship. You couldn't afford to have too many injuries there.

And CJ left on two separate occasions. We'll see what the last injury looks like here long term. And now I'm seeing, Julia has done the great work here to put up the poll, was punting the ball, the right call by Nick Siriani. And so it's early, it's early days here,

but I'm seeing like close to 80% of you saying yes. And to those of you, I expected more. I thought we had smarter fans than this. That's bad. It has grown on me. Everyone's on Jamie's side on this one. Yeah.

But here's the thing. In the moment, it felt like a loser move. Here's the thing. But if you go for the field goal and don't get it, or if you go for it and don't get it, you're still trusting the defense. Yeah. Like the notion of like,

let's put the ball in the defense's hands. That's like the thing that you have as your backup. If you don't just go win the game. It's why Dan Campbell goes for it all fourth and one. from his own 30. You know, and that's interesting. But does he go for on a fourth and eight?

Look, we can get into whether or not. You know what? The numbers are pushing. The numbers are pushing a little bit toward, I mean, I don't think he does. Let's get the smart people to continue voting.

Well, here's this was dumb. Here's why I like it. We know you can't trust that. Hindsight being 20, 20. They made, these are early returns. They made a spectacular play.

If that goes into the end zone and they get the ball at the 20, then I'm looking at an 18-yard difference and I go, well, that was dumb. I'm only liking it because I know that Avanti Maddox went down there and made the play. Yeah. And it then took an unbelievable play by Bryce Young to convert that. Sure. Josh Swetman, get that sad. What a hell of a play that was by Bryce. That was a great play nice play. Yeah. What did you see, Fran, on the fast forward that to the league at drop that could have been the game winning touchdown. What do you think happened there?

Yeah, I mean, it was they were playing some form of zone coverage. It looked like it was cover three. And he ran a skinny post. So he was able to get up the seam. You're over top of the underneath the fender. The safety got pulled over to the other side by whatever that route concept. was. And so he was wide open. And Bryce Young put it on him. It should have been a touchdown. It should have been a touchdown. It was a great ball from Young. It just grows right through Legat's hands. And this is something that we've seen with his Xavier Ligate going back to South Carolina

capable of the big play, but we'll frustrate you at times. I'm gonna... I can't wait to hear his cuts from the locker room because I love listening to this guy talk. He's the swamp monster. Yeah, yeah. It's the most southern accent I've ever heard. It's a very good accent. And he's gonna have some awesome statement about that drop catch.

What's on your Mount Rushmore of accents? Ooh. Zach was signing a book for a sicko from Scotland. That I love a Scottish. That's a good one. I love an Aussie. He's like, I don't know what this guy looks like. I said, just look for the guy on the kilt.

Very easy. New Jersey. Love that one. That's a good one. Northeast Philly. Can't go wrong there. All right, let's run through some of the super chats that we have from reactions. Santiago says the Eagles need a real QB and Diva AJ is coming back.

Now, I don't know about the real QB nonsense, but listen, I think the Eagles absolutely have something of a wide receiver problem with A.J. Brown and Devante Smith right now, because it's one thing if the offense is rolling and they're not getting the ball. Yep. But just think about it from AJ Brown's perspective, man. Like, he's the best player on the team.

Sequin Barclay is awesome. Jalen Carter is awesome. Lane Johnson is off. those guys are fantastic, that you could argue that they're the best players. AJ Brown is the best player on the team. And when you are like the best player and the best athlete on the team and you know that you getting the ball correlates with winning, you want the ball. And like, I don't blame him for that.

He gets only four targets in this game on 21 pass attempts plus probably four or five more dropbacks. Like that's not good enough. He needs the ball more and he should be upset about that. You said from the game, there was a drive in the first half where he was visibly upset on the sideline. That drive, second down, there was a double slant call for Jalen Hertz where I forget who was running the inside slant, but A.J. Brown is running the slant on the outside. That play is designed to go to A.J. Brown. That is the first slant is supposed to open up the window and it was there for Jalen Hertz. And Jalen did not throw. As they were shown replays, I was interested to see, was there a rusher in Jailen's face that prevented him from throwing it?

It didn't seem like watching the replay live that there was. That ball should have been thrown to AJ Brown. So, all right. I get why AJ was frustrated there. And the next play is third down. I didn't see the replay. And AJ's, he's running,

it's like a fly. He's running down the field. And he's not wide open. But if there's nothing else, this is the one where Jalen scrambles around and then tries to throw it to Johnny Wilson and it's a little bit of Johnny Wilson's hands over the middle. Like throw that up to AJ Brown. It's one-on-one.

He's probably going to make a play. Doesn't he have like the highest, you know, contested catch rate in the NFL? And that's when he's, Yeah, and that's when he comes over to the sideline. And, like, he's mad. He slams his helmet down on the bench.

Like, I don't blame him. So did Jalen go into his meditative state where he just sat there with his jacket on staring? Or did he actually engage with his team? There was a shot on the sideline where he was that way. Now, I don't know if he was that way the whole time, but that was what the camera saw for, you know, three seconds. He just goes into, like, this, like, blackout phase where he just stares ahead. And it's hard to square, like, the offense we saw for most of this game. with the offense we saw on that final drive of the first half,

when they just easily go down the field by throwing it to AJ Brown and the touchdown to Devante Smith and Sequin is mixed into, and it looks easy. And like, I know it's hard to say that's what the offense should always look like, but that's what the offense should look like a lot of the time. Yeah. Against, by the way, a defense that came into this game 31st in DBOA. Yeah.

Sequin ran for 6.2 yards of carry today. 20 carries for 124 yards. they couldn't get the they didn't lean on the run game well enough i mean there's just that these past game numbers are are bad man i mean and it was it wasn't just like the pure dropback stuff like they were sloppy play on the r pos so you saw it was a jalen hertz keeper on one of the opening dry i think it was the first three and out where he doesn't follow it the right way well no it was the play before yeah yeah it was the play when he slides he probably could have the first down yeah he slides but he's looking i think it might have been johnny wilson that busted

the play but somebody on the perimeter did not run the right route yeah it was somebody somebody down there. It didn't run the right route. And so, I mean, it was just sloppy across the board here in this game. And it's interesting. I think, I think a lifetime of being an Eagles fan, prepared Eagles fans that this might be a letdown game. Like, on my way into the game, I'm hearing like multiple conversations.

Like, this is a trap game, man. Like, you're coming off the Ravens way on the guy. I'm walking outside of my house this morning, leaving here for work. And there's an old man on my sidewalk, walking his dog. And he sees me in my hoodie. And he goes, oh, you're all ready for the game today, huh? And I go, yeah, today should be easy. goes, oh, those are the games that always scare me the most.

And I was like, damn you, like, you're right. Absolutely. That's his game. He had seven plus decades of Eagles preparation for that. Yeah. And that's what it felt like. It did feel like a last year win, which is fine. It felt very much like a last year win.

It's better than a last year loss. Yeah. True. Not ideal. Yeah. It feels, and it feels very much like week five to me, or week six, because they had to buy in week five, but that Browns game. More super chats.

Shea says, when Nick said Jalen being a game manager was BS, was it a subtle jab at Jalen's lack of awareness of game situations? No, I think, I don't think that he, I don't think that he was thinking in that way. Is this the bean toucher, Shane? This is Bean Man. Oh, nice, Bain update. We need some bean updates there. Please update us on the Bean Talk.

Beano Cook. I don't think that that was a, that was subtle on Siriani's part. No, no, I think that is very much. Him trying to attack narrative. Yeah. It's Nick wanting to make sure that he's publicly gassing up his quarterback. Yeah.

Hark saw Cameron with the super chances. Here is the thing on the punt. This is the one time where I am okay with throwing out the analytics. Nick knew what he had with Jake and Jalen today and made a good call. That's kind of where I'm at. I understand that perspective because in this game, Jalen was not super trustworthy and you're a little bit worried that, you know, Jake has the yips.

But this is the whole point of, you know, the coach Flynnism. You can't date the analytics. You got to marry him. Like over the course of time, if you make the right decision enough, it's going to come out in your favor. And to start bringing in all of these just subjective things that Nick Siriani thinks about the game is exactly how you get in trouble and make the wrong decisions in the long run.

So for the record, are you kicking or are you going for it? I'm kicking a field goal. because you are asking, you said Jalen had 105 yards on the day. 100, yeah, I think. And you need eight yards there if you do go for it. You're asking Jalen to get 7% of his daily, you know, yards tossed that day in one play. And you know what else though? Like the lining up to then try to draw to them off sides to steal five yards to what,

then maybe you go for it on fourth and three. Like that's so pathetic. I am so tired of that nonsense. And you're exactly right. to draw the comparison to Dan Campbell. Yeah, Fran, because that was, everyone's like, oh, he must be just trying to draw him off sides here.

No, he's going to line up and go win the goddamn game. Right. Like, no, we're going to maybe see if I can get to fourth and three and then probably still punt it. Like, I don't know. But maybe we'll try to draw them off again. If we get him twice, then that's the first down. I would have been fast.

Give me a break. This is, this team is like, they're one of the best teams in the league. Yeah. Like, like to be a pound your chest and go win the game. Yep, I'm with you. But eight yards there.

Jalen was kind of crap today. Like the more and more, like, I think it was the right decision. I mean, obviously. But also think about like, what's the downside of going to Elliott there? The downside is he misses the kick and everyone's like, okay, Jake Elliott has lost it. Well, guess what? By doing this, it's even worse. Because now the coach is telling you that he has lost faith in the kicker.

And if you kick it and he makes it, what an awesome story for Jake Elliott. I still trust my guy. He went out and won the game. That's my guy. Yeah, that's the biggest storyline. Like the thing I'm going to wake up tomorrow, I'm going to go. The Eagles don't have a kicker. Like, that's a, they don't trust them.

But if it's a trust thing, you solve it just by kicking it this one time. But if he misses it, he's cooked. But if he misses it, it's not even as bad as it is right now. You're still worried that he's doubly cooked. Right. Like they don't, I don't know what they do about this. They need a, something's in the air with kickers this year. Justin, Justin Tucker and Jake Elliott were two most reliable kickers in the NFL.

And they both stink this year. Like, I'm almost apt to go get the Temple kid and just like, Give him some NIL money to come up. Now you're winning Prano. Here's ready to go. Who's laptop moving out? The other super chats. Claude de Boussay says,

curious what McKee could do with this offense. I'm with it. And this team might be undefeated if that were the case. McLeod says, is Jalen Hertz good enough as a drop-back passer to win the Super Bowl? Not right now. Imagine this offense with an elite quarterback. I mean, here's what I would say.

Imagine any offense with the league quarterback, number one. Yeah. Look. at the end of the day. I mean, it's all circumstantial. Like in, he could, yes.

Yeah. And look, Jaylor Hurts is capable of being a good drop back passer and we've seen it not just in 2022, not just in that Super Bowl, but this season. Like we've seen him go out and execute really good, you know,

drop back passes and do a nice job of getting through progressions and attacking all three levels just last week, even in a small sample. We've seen him do it. He just does not do it consistently enough to give you a ton of faith right now. And that's why, in my opinion, feel like they have streamlined the past game.

But look, they're going to, the big thing has always been. And we talked about it last week. Last week, they had that third and seven where he hit Dallas got it for nine yards. On those two or three plays in every game is, can he come through for you one or two of those times? And in this game, look, they did enough to win, but not enough to inspire a lot of confidence. Certainly moving forward in that facet of their offense. Yeah, I think, you know, it's all like, it depends on what game. they have if they've got home field

advantage and you're leaning on Sequel and Barclay like yeah he can do it but is he a good enough dropback passer in an offense that's not elite at other stuff right now probably not yeah did they have one pass attempt more than like 17 18 yards today they had one the one

to Devante down the left side line which like ended up being a 27 yard game but but does he broce and tackles yeah it was like a 16 yard pass something like that that might have been in I mean he was like I said the average The average air yards per tent was 5.6. Oh my gosh.

The lowest the season. So they're not even intense. So he's holding it the longest. Yes. And it's the shortest. That's a terrible combination. That's a bad combination. Yeah.

It's a really bad combination. Yeah, that's bad. Roheat says Eagles pass-o is horrible, worse than last year. I mean, when you throw up a hundred and five yards. I agree with you, but pretty bad. Yeah.

Idiot Sandwich wants us to give a shout out to Earl, Nelly, Kate, and Pat. What up? What's up, Earl, Earl, Kelly, Kate, and Pat? What's a Pat, Kate, Nellie, and Earl? What's the good, what's a, uh, Pank? Pat, Earl, Nellie and Kate.

We'll go Pank. Sure. Kent. Or, or you go, yeah, NEP with the KN? Yeah. Peck. Pank. Peckin.

Yeah. Kinep. Peckon nest migraine. Peckon, yeah. Stork rank, Earl, Nelly, Kate, and Pat. Who do you like the best? Ooh. All right.

Earl is great. I trust in Earl in Mozilla. We got the lower case, the lower case E. That could just be used error. Yeah, the lowercase E is actually that's going to drop Earl down. Earl's number one for me. Pat's definitely four. Pat's are sketchy.

I'm going to go Nell second, K third. I'm going Nelly one. Okay. Hit us up in the comments, Nellie. Let's know what's going on. Ed Wright checks in. He says Nick knew that Jake and NFL kickers haven't been right? Since Jacksonville, multiple kickers every week missing multiple field goals, we gave him

a guff about it, but he was right. Yeah, with hindsight being 2020, I think he was right. Oh, man, you guys, I hear, no, I disagree. He's so wholeheartedly. We're at 72% on the chat now. We're incrementally moving. Let's get more smart people voting, please. In every endeavor of our society. Jacob says if the Eagles make it to the NFC championship game and lose with The offense looking like this, do they fire Nick Siriani? I need to know if this is former NFL tight end Jacob Tammy. That's a great question. Please respond.

And it doesn't need to be a super chat. Because I think the answer would be yes. As crazy as that sounds. The NFC championship game. You're playing the Lions, right? And the offense looks like this. And you just get outclass and the Lions put up, you know, it's 30 plus and the Eagles can barely put together 14.

or 17 points. If the offense, probably not. I think they would have to look sketchy. Yeah, I think they would have to look sketchy. Yeah, I think they would have to be sketchy in the playoffs leading up to it. But I see a scenario where that could be possible.

Yeah. I mean, listen, we can debate about this decision to punt based on how it worked out. I can promise you that Jeffrey Larry did not like that decision. I don't doubt you there. And I think to me, more importantly, the status of the past game right now,

is not, Jeffrey's not happy about that. Amen. Yeah, he's not happy about that. 105 yards. Oof. Bad.

All right. We will hear shortly, hopefully, from Nick's here. What is up with Nick? He continues to take longer and longer after the game

to do these shot at the media, right? Yeah. Well, it's got to get himself together. So we'll hear from him shortly.

They'll look for a QB. That's very possible. Zach Berman. Yeah. I mean, keep the fact returning. I mean, they've already gotten Taryn McKee. I don't know why. Drew Aller

second round. Come on down. We got Nick. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, Nick Siriani at the podium. Let's see what he has to say. More than people think there. You know, we hit those two backed up punts last week against

Baltimore and we did a great job of putting them backed up. Almost got a safety. You know, Bryce Young got out of there. I thought Bryce Young did some good things. but he ended up getting out of there, but it was more about, you know, the win being a little bit more than I think that was understood. I mean, out there as far as what it was,

and you could feel that, and then just, you know, just the success that we've had in this back, or plus 50 punt game. Go ahead of the- It was fourth and nine. You guys were going away with the wind. The second week row wear the passing offense, the numbers that have been,

Where did we say last year or the year before, what do you think has to be done to the correct? Yeah, you know, we did some, the things that we needed to do to win today. We'll look at the tape. It's hard to say off the, you know, just watching it. But, you know, everyone, you know, everyone's going to have a part of that when you don't pass it the way you want to. But again, I'll have to go watch everything. But we're definitely capable of playing better and coaching better in the past game. It seemed like there are a couple of deep shots that would draw off specifically for AJ.

first play being one of them. Why went through his passes? Well, sometimes, you know, there's a, there's different reasons for each one of them. And there's everything, there's so many things that go into, you know, making a, making a, a deep shot like that. And different reasons for each one off to go back and look at it. But, again, I think, you know, we definitely, we're all going to come away from this coaching, playing, and say, hey, there's things we got to do better. in the past game but you know our running game was able to to do some really good things I think it's I think that that's fair the the questions of our of our past game right now you know but how cool is it that Sequan Barclay that what was it about yeah we have a team rushing record and week whatever we're in at week 13 so you know we were able to run the ball well today Jalen had some really good run sayquine obviously did a great job offensive line did a great job blocking and our defense plays played, you know, it was kind of that, what did they call that,

Ben, Ben, don't break type defense. So they got some yards and we're able to move the ball, but we got some stops when we needed to and some critical moments and interception by Chauncey. And, you know, Chauncey kept fighting through and got back into the game. And I just thought it was an unbelievable play to end the game. We talked a lot about playing for 60 minutes with relentless effort. And what do you see on the last play that's not a kneel down?

You see Jalen Carter, you know, come off the ball like a crazy man. You see sweat put pressure on them. And then you see Slay diving to make a pass break up. So I thought our guys, you know, even though there were times it was ugly, it's hard to win in this league. That team's been playing a lot better week in, week out, a lot of respect for Coach Canales and the job that he's done. But our guys played their butts off for 60 minutes.

That's what you, you know, it's the NFL. It's tough it's tough but our guys played their they played hard and they played hard for 60 minutes and it showed up on that last play You have to tell your team after the game after a game like that and don't you know enjoy the victory enjoy don't be a prisoner of your expectations and enjoy it You know but we got a lot to clean up There's there's no doubt about that and so enjoy it for the night I can enjoy it for a couple hours because I'll go home and I'll start watching it and and looking at that those guys can enjoy for a little bit longer because we got to get back to work tomorrow.

And then it was just about getting back to, so, you know, again, you got to have, I said one thing I said to him is like, remember how it feels when you lose and all the everything, and I think I might have said this to the coaches and all the, all the, how much it hurts when you lose and how down you are when it, when you lose. You got to enjoy a victory no matter what the expectation was. My expectation was just going to be a hard game because this is a This is a team that keeps getting better with the Carolina Panthers. And so enjoy it and put your head down and work.

And then what I said to the guys is, you know, everybody has the will to win. And we all want to win. But are we all willing to do the things necessary that winning requires? And I think that this team does. And that's just my way of saying to him, hey, it's going to be about the work again next week, going to play the Pittsburgh Steelers. Could you see him come back in the game? It looked like late in the game in Joe Castro,

trying to get him off the sideline, off the field. He said no. How many players, I'm assuming CJ might be one of them have the all time and he'd say no, I'm going to stay in the game. Yeah, I don't know if that happened. I think what you're probably talking about is that, I don't recall Cooper saying, no, I don't think he did. CJ?

CJ. Yeah, I don't know if that happened. I think he was trying to maybe get him. Chonsie plays every play. I don't know if it was about the injury when he was down with his, you know, with whatever, you know, I'm not going to get into injuries. I haven't talked to these guys yet, but I don't know if it was about that or not. So I don't know the answer to that.

I'm sorry, respect the question, but sorry, I don't have the answer for you. On CJ's interception, looked like to us Cooper was signaling something. It was a slot fade, I think, and CJ was over to come over. When you talked a big, just the young defensive backs, their ability to communicate. this time you had Tristan in there and that's what big defenses are known for all that zone covers. How impressive is it that those guys can

Yeah, they watch a lot of tape and put themselves in a lot of different scenarios and you know, I think you saw it when the Kobe a couple weeks ago of the interception that he had against Jacksonville and talking about hey, I was waiting for this one, right? Well, that happens. That's so cool about the preparation that you put in all week that happens a bunch. That happened And that happened with Zach Bond last week on a big third downstop against Baltimore.

And so when those things happen and you see it, that's huge. But we also understand that the offense is going to show you looks that they've run in the past and do something else. So it takes good playing and good recognition. And our guys, again, I thought that was really good play. Cooper has to deal with a lot of different styles and receiver in the slot. I think specifically he can take away from going against the Dillon today. I mean, he's been a guy in the day. Yeah, gosh.

Man, a lot of respect for Adam Thielen. He's been a respect how he got into the league, respect how he made away for himself, respect how he's turned into one of the better receivers in the NFL. I'm a big fan of his and how he plays this game. And so, yeah, I think what he'll be able to take from that is the craftiness of him, you know, because he finds ways to get open.

And so, and, you know, lot of experience to not quite as much experience. And so, but you get an opportunity to learn from everybody you play against and learn from, that's our job to make sure that we get better win, lose, or draw every time we step onto the field and after every time we play and get better from it. And Coop's been doing a really good job of that, no matter who he's been going against, but a lot of respect to Adam Thielen and the career that he's put together in the game that he played today. A good player.

Is there any adjustment to be able to get done with his legs when maybe the passing game isn't? Yeah, he's just a good all-around player. And so he has this ability that if, you know, things aren't, again, like we talked about, you know, we didn't play to our standard in the past game, but he's able to make plays different ways. That's a huge asset that he has as a quarterback. And so, man, that was a huge third down. And I think eight that he ran and got us a huge gain out. It was around midfield, got us a huge game.

It was the last play of the third quarter, and what a big-time play that was to help set up a scoring drive right there. And so, yeah, I mean, he just, again, just think, I said what I said about him last week with, you know, deserves to be in the MVP conversation, and I stand by that. He's done a lot of really good things, but like I said, as a whole coaching and playing as a whole, everybody, it wasn't quite good enough in the past.

but you've got to give the Carolina Panthers credit for that. Last one? What did you see on the leg at play? Did you see it right away? I'm sorry? Did you see it the leg at play when he dropped it? He had his back to me, and then the scoreboard never showed it, so I got some information from upstairs that they thought it was a,

that they thought the ball hit the ground, just like I thought it was a great call by the official. But no, they said, you know, because sometimes you worry that maybe the official didn't see it clean, and they're going to review it, and the information I got upstairs is no, they made the right call there. And I said, damn right, they did. What was your emotions like at that point? I mean, there's 52 seconds left to play. And if you've had, you know, victory snatched from the jaws before,

I mean, what's going on in your mind and the sideline right there? My mind is, you know, okay, if he caught it, he scored a touchdown because he rolled into the end zone, and we have three timeouts and 52 seconds left to go. Let's go win. All right, thanks. Go trust the kick. Usually you just threw off the bus to hit a game when he field goal.

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We can't do it like he can. No. No. But you can get the shirt like he can if you go to the store at all city network.com. Sequin Barclay sets the franchise rushing record in his 13th game of the season, Jamie. He is ridiculous. And, you know, Kyle Newbeck from our Sixers show came out and was like, so how Sequan looked today? And I was like, ho-hum, quiet 110 yards.

And it doesn't even feel like it. It's like the easiest 12-yard carries, 12-yard games you've ever seen. Yeah, his, his what, like, is average for an NFL running back a two-yard pickup for him is six, seven yards. Yeah, it really is unbelievable what he's doing this year. He's still, I think, on pace to set the record. I have to do the math, but, you know, an additional game than Eric Dickerson. Yeah. But he still is on, on track here.

So next gen put out his numbers in terms of like rush yards over expected. He had 28 today. It was middle of the road in terms of how it was the season. But just an interesting, like, I don't know. So he extended his lead over. He's like well ahead of everybody in the league. You know, he's well ahead of whatever Eagles running back has done it. And to the re-litigate year old argument with Zach on what this offense would look like with an A plus running back.

No Eagles running back has ever had more than 100 yards over expectation in the last seven season. So basically during the next year, he's got 480 this year. No Eagles running back has had more than 100. He had 28 today. And like what was a whole hum day? Yeah. like basically like cut whatever Miles Sanders and DeAndre Swift had done like a third

of that happened today from So here's my here's my philosophical chicken or the egg question for you. Yeah. Would the passing game be this bad if Sequin Barclay wasn't this good? So that was as I was reading this as I was reading the stat as you guys are doing the ad reads and my

as I read it I was putting into the context of like all right the Eagles running back to the past and that's where my head went was what if this offense didn't have Seqoine Barkley? If this offense didn't have Sequin Barclay. That's his case for MVP. and they couldn't lean on him. Yeah. Would they be solving problems in the passing game better

because they would have to- By necessity or? Yeah. Or would they just be a bad team? Or they could just be a bad team. I kind of lean towards the ladder. I kind of lean towards the ladder. Like, obviously there would be,

they would still be one of the better run teams in football. But to the level of which we have seen this where they've just, I mean, if Tyrone Tracy was there running back. Yeah. No, it wouldn't be. They're a bad team. Yeah.

I think so. record-wise. Yeah, record-wise, they would not be, I mean, they certainly wouldn't have two losses in the year. Now, do you think, like, if that were the case, we're just playing around in a imaginary universe? Yeah. Like if they had to be more pass-heavy,

and they were forced feeding the ball to A.J. Brown and Devante Smithmore, even if the routes themselves were uncreative, I think they, like, maybe those guys would certainly be more prolific, but, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Is there like a, is there like Jalen Hertz? I don't think,

I don't think regresses is the right framing. Progresses back. But would he, yeah, would he be better if he had more time on task as a drop back passer in games? Like, the thing is,

is like with the drop back pass development, you know, with Jay and it's like, we've seen him be a high, high, a high, buyer. We've seen him operate.

And obviously, like, this year they're deciding okay we're going to trim that back a lot and he hasn't been great at it this year to begin with like early on in the season uh so this this offensive staff is saying okay let's let's back off on that a little bit let's lean into saquan barclay these are questions we can't answer but in the imaginary universe that we're talking about i don't know man i i think this would be a worse team i think it would be a worse offense the chicken came first by the way yeah there's proteins in the eggshell that can only be from the chicken oh really yeah interesting

I thought this was like a far side reference. I used to love far side. One of them is they got the cigarettes. Like, well, that answers that? Is that the far side? I don't know. What were you looking at as a teen there, Bo? I mean, it's a good cartoon.

It was good, yeah. Yeah, I think that's an interesting thought experiment. You also have some good next one. I didn't like it, to be honest with you. Because I think they're a bad team with that. Zaguan War and it's also like if Seacquan Barclay was only 80% of what if Shacobbler was only the fifth best friend he was Josh yeah yeah right I think that's probably a different that's I think they're still good they're still good but

like without the explosiveness yeah then that's it we're you know obviously would make they would like DeAndre Swift isn't really like a I don't he's not like a changer you know what I mean like he's kind of like your average one starting right back yeah yeah so like if they have him I think you see what you saw at the end of last year now the defense is a lot better than it was at the end of last year. But offensively, it's probably crap. Interesting.

All right, Jalen Kari, you have some nuggets. Yeah, season high. Was on one today. Yeah, we watched the first half. Well, that's the thing. So career high, six pressures today on 38 rushes. Four of them came in the first quarter, the most in a single quarter by any Eagles defender this season.

Once again, played 89.9% of the snaps. Four straight game playing 50 or more snaps. You'd only had one game of that. before the same. I don't know. I mean, this might come back to bite them. All the Jalen Carter You were headed last year with Josh Swet and Reddick. You know, you hope that that doesn't go down that path. But this was, this, it was around this time when it started to affect sweat. Yeah. Last year. So we can effectively say that there are no more games where you're going to be able to rest Sequin in the fourth quarter and Jalen Carter in the fourth quarter.

Well, I think they exist. Like even the giants. Yeah. You just get. I think they know, they, no, they, they absolutely can and should. Yeah, they can. Yeah, they can. Well, I mean, the team that we saw for most of this win streak. Yeah, I would say so. But most of the damage is coming late in the game. Right? I mean, that's the problem. Yeah, that's the problem. Well, yeah, that's the in the, at the end of the first quarter in this game, I didn't add it up as the

second, third, and fourth quarters went on. But the, the Eagles point differential just by quarter over the course of the season. Were they negative? Negative 42 in the first quarter. That's 29th in the league. Wow. Okay. And again, they had two terrible three teams are worse. It's, yeah, it's crazy. Second quarter, plus 57 that's second third quarter plus 32 that's fifth fourth quarter plus 52 that's first now that was before the second third fourth quarter of this game right but i mean that just tells you like week after week they cannot get off the bus yeah i mean that the slow starts offensively you know continue to be a theme um can Kenny game well had five touches in the first half of the game

you know i know what were you excited i think that if if they're going into it thinking like hey you know We're not, maybe we're not going to be able to arrest him on fourth course, but they have to start mixing them in. They have to. Would you like the quote from A.J. Brown? Oh, please. And this goes to your point about him being ticked. I can, I can sense the sassy in his answer.

This was from Martin Frank. AJ Brown on asked, what's wrong with the offense? Passing. I mean, he's right. And Martin Frank goes on to say he was not happy saying the offense isn't good enough right now. Yeah, he's right. And we talked about it with Devonthe Adams last year. Remember last year, Devonzi Adams was very upset with the Raiders.

And it's like, it's not because he wants the ball. It's because he knows him getting the ball gives them the best chance to win. Yeah. And so that's why AJ Brown wants the ball because the offense is going to be better if they throw him the ball. Yeah, right. It's amazing to me in a world where you have Seguan Barclay, you can't be effective in the play action game week after week after week. Well, they've been effective with play. Yes, they have.

But like versus the Carolina Panthers. Come on. Well, yeah, let's break that down because that's the right context. The right context is against this Panthers defense over the course of the season. Yeah. Okay. You look at the numbers. So just stack up the 13 games against the Panthers in this game, in this season.

Seventh of those 13 games in EPA per drive for the full offense, 10th and success rate, 12th and yards per play of those 13 games. Just the passing game, the 12th of the 13 games against. against the Panthers and yards per dropback, 4.8 and 13th, dead last on success rate, 39.3%. So arguably the worst offensive performance of any team that has played the Panthers this season. Against what is the, by EPA per pass, they were 31st, success rate against the pass rate, they were 31st. Explosive pass rate, they were 31st. I mean, the door was wide open for this past game to be an eruption spot. For J.L.Hertz, AJ Brown, Devante Smith, for them to go

off. I'm laughing. I'm thinking because, you know, there's the different all city markets, right? And for most of them, like, anytime you get a win, a win is like, it's like celebration time. Like, let's pop the, let's pop the drinks. Because most of those teams are not very good. And you tune into this game, the Eagles win their ninth game in a row.

And we are just dejected. Like, this team sucks. Yeah, Broncos would be happy with this win. Bears would be thrilled with this win. And the Cowboys would be. Yeah. I'd be angry with A-win because they just want to tank for a draft positioning. This was kind of the Panthers ideal situation today, right?

Hang, be competitive, see stuff out of your young quarterback. Bryce Young was good, yeah. Let's check in with Jalen Hertz. We don't need to necessarily listen to the whole thing, but let's see what his- I'm going to start the cliche clock now. Where did that game kind of go in your opinion? Yeah, I think they did a good job. I think we did a bad job.

I mean, that starts with me, how I execute and ultimately, you know, know you you yearn and I yearn for better synchronization amongst that. Earned for a more complimentary style of ball in a sense. Some things don't get you until it gets you. It's definitely been some urgency there trying to figure it out. And you've got to keep climbing and trying to progress in it. Any takeaways right now? Not the moment.

What's holding it back? Just the lack of synchronization there. offensive possession you had. Just take us through that. You had like a good minor a sack. Could throw the ball away maybe, I don't know. Right. Yeah, delay a game.

I was just assessing protection. Assessing protection and, you know, made a mistake I never really making and letting the clock run out. And then taking the sack, had an RPO scheme on. So I didn't want to risk the alignment being downfield. So I just took the sack. Instead of throwing the ball away.

wrong choice. It's kind of both ends. You get kind of down both ends. Sorry. What can you guys do better to start the games better? I mean, you guys went, you know, didn't get up, you know, didn't get up, you know, didn't anything going until the second quarter. I mean, what's kind of new.

You know, that's kind of what we've done. And, um, got to figure it out at some point. You obviously know AJ well when there's moments of frustration from him. What have you learned about the, you know, what that means and the best way to kind of solve it? It ain't about solving anything. Everybody has a reason to want more. And, you know, it's a fair desire of being in fullness of what we can be because we've done it before. And just got to build, got to progress, have to find a way to come together and come and sync as a unit and play complimentary ball. You talk about things coming back and biting you.

If slow starts continued, you worry that at some point that's going to come back and bite you here. that's going to come back and bite you guys. I'm worried about, you know, you think about both, right? Like you are where you are, but you also know what you've been through. And we know what we've been through and we've experienced and trying to address some things so we can be better. And so we all have big goals and want to be able to, you know, be the last team standing.

But you also know that it takes what it takes and that too. So we just want to continue to. to pursue our best self in that, and hopefully we can find it. On the third down scrambles that you had, what the haircut looks great? That's just because they were just taking to where you had, or did you feel at that moment? That's something you needed great to.

No, there's not a decision just to take off at free will. You know, pockets break down. As I recall, some of them, I'm nearly getting sacked, and so you're just going out there and making a play and trying to wheel it. When you talk about the need for a synchronization on the office, how do you get there? I mean, you get there by everybody being on the same page and going out there and executing and, you know, becoming in sync.

We see our moments where we play at a high level and we see our moments where we don't. I think we just have to do what we do when we do well. Cal Catara has his first touchdown catch today, and third down for a little bit. It takes through that play a little bit. Was he laid into the pattern? It was laid into the pattern. Kind of a delay route there, a little developed, long developing route,

but he did a good job of running it, and trusting it and being open, getting open. Saquant getting the record. What does that mean to you? And did you know how close he was at the time when you got it? I didn't know where it was. I figured it was coming at some point here, but that's a great accomplishment for him.

I told him congratulations about it after the game, and that's a great moment for him. Bryce Young, what message did you share to him post-game? Where do you see his NFL future goal? I just love how he's been able to persevere through some of the things that he's been faced with and, you know, like seeing him comfortable out there and playing the way he's playing.

So that's encouraging for him. And, you know, I always support him and wish him nothing but the best in that. How uncomfortable was watching him on that last truck? I mean, not uncomfortable. He's a great player. Great player and, you know, they rode our way. The notion of trying to be on the same page,

is that a conversation that should be happening in the 13 of the season? No. Why is that the case right now? I just say no. Oh, Stonewall and Zeeby. Stonewall and ZB. Not cool. Not cool, Jalen.

He's usually good with ZB, actually. So that tells her he's pissed. I could definitely alerted him. I think you're right. It's notable. It's a little bit unlike him usually. To take this much responsibility. Yeah.

Especially right afterwards. Yeah. He looks ticked. I wonder if part of the delay for Siriani was, they had to air some grievances a little bit in the locker room. is if AJ's hot like the pictures I'm seeing of him standing in his locker stall

Martin Franks he looks pissed and I think they know like and I'll tell you what this is I would feel like if he's still that pissed that means that they didn't fully air it out good point right it's a good point

got a lot of problems with you people it is the holiday season I'm all gonna hear about it a little festivus I want to go back to it because he talked about it when he takes a sack on the RPO because we saw him do it last week and throw it away,

which we're like, oh, that's a really smart play because he was, you're already behind the line of scrimmage. And if you take the sack there, it's second in, I think in that situation, it was like 14 or 16 or something like that. In this one, it's second at 19. Or, and he says it,

he didn't want to risk the person being downfield. I'm sorry, that's much better. So if you throw it away, it's either going to be second and 10 because they decline it or first and 15. which is way better than second and 19. And this was in the middle. I mean,

this was a huge point in the game. It was 5.30 left. Yep. In the fourth quarter, they're up six points. Like, they got to go, they got to go win the game.

Like, that's from a guy who has played as many football games as he has, who has run RPO's as much as he has. Like, that's bad. And it tells me that last week's was an accident. Right.

And also that it wasn't disill, it wasn't then gone over. Yeah, it wasn't reinforced. Or, It was gone over and it still didn't. Isn't Siriani the master of details, though? Right.

Like there's been some outsiders that come in and are like, wow, they go over everything here. Yeah. So I would have to imagine that is something that is kind of tattooed in his mind. Yeah, it probably, I mean, they probably went over it. We don't know that they definitely did. But if he, if he was going over, he was already outside the pocket. It wasn't just like he had to take the sack because he had no choice. Like he was already in a position where he could have thrown away.

Yes, no question. That's bad play. It's a bad play. All right, let's take another short break. But before we do that, make sure that you are letting us know what you think of Jalen's performance. And if you're not watching live, comment under the video as you're watching after the fact. You know, like, subscribe, all that good stuff. And we'll be back in just a minute.

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He's five. That's my man, Francis. All right, some super chats to get to. Chase Daniel Plainview says, which head coach committed the larger betrayal of trust? Siriani punting on that last drive or Dave Canales cheating on his wife off the same.

It's a super chat, you got to read it. I think no. I mean, the sex panther definitely betrayed worse. Oh. I mean, at least he came clean. Nick is pretending like that was still the right decision. Was it really his choice, though?

I think this one. Nick's, it was Nick's choice, yeah. It was a Dave's choice to come clean. Oh, well, no, but he did. I mean, so maybe we'll see tomorrow. Maybe Nick will come clean. Remember, that's what happened after the Cleveland game. Yeah.

Right? He sounded much different after the game than he did on Monday. So we will see if Nick continues to insist tomorrow that that was the right decision. Funniest part of all that is Tony Dunjy, writing the forward. That's pretty good. Probably best for me not to get into my personal feeling. Elias says, Bo, your point is fair. But if Nick were to agree, then it would raise even more questions about why he's there.

Of course, he will seize opportunities to exert his will. now we're talking about the punt I imagine I don't think that him deciding to punt is like an insertion of his influence

on the game type decision I think it was I think it was it goes back to last week it's that last week's decision to flip the field

worked out and so that's what's in his mind and that's what he's going with yeah I think that's true and also So look, like those situations, that that is his call. I don't think that's even like him, like asserting his will.

Like that's under his jurisdiction. That is, you know, what he's there to do. But you guys would agree that he probably feels the best about his defense. Yeah, but that's why I go back to, it's okay to have the faith in your defense and use that as the backstop for if you don't make the field goal or if you don't go for it and get it. That's why, like, you know, John Ferrari is in his year. telling him what the win probability stuff is, like what the recommendation is to kick or not.

And I would imagine that the message was like a lean field goal. And Nick in his mind is thinking, I don't think that I can trust Jake Elliott right now. I'm going to go ahead and put the game on my defense. And I think that that's a short-sighted decision. Well, you mentioned Coach Flynn earlier, and obviously he knows millions of more football. You got to marry it.

You don't date it. to me, like, I just date it. I'm not putting a ring on it because I do think there's situational instances where if your kicker, you know what I mean? Like there's not a baseline evenness to every situation because you probably presume the right play is just to kick the field goal there. Right. You don't have a kicker.

Now, we didn't talk about it. He said it. He said the wind was a big factor. Yeah, that's BS. I mean, that's his way. Yeah, that goes back to like this is his way of getting out of not trust. Jake, but yes, like, obviously. So, like, that's where, you know, Jaylen just wasn't good today.

When I'm talking about a 60-yard field, it was a 53-yard. Yeah. Which he's 0 for five on this year. Right. So you don't take, then, do you want to go for it then? No, I want to kick the football. I mean, I probably would too, but it's, it's grown on me a lot more than I thought it would have. Like a fungus.

Yeah. Stanza. Joel with the Super Chat says how we should plot to draft a quarterback. Need anticipation. I mean, again, this Tanner McKee erasure, I will not stand for, but I would, Drew Aller's there in the third round. I would tell you that Howie Roseman

sees the same thing that we see about the level of play that they're getting from the quarterback right now. The coaches do too. Yes. Yeah. Tyler Warren in the second, Drew Heller in the third. Let's go. Yeah, because Penn State's offense.

Oh, Penn State's off at the last night. It looked pretty good. No, they can't, like, the contract is such that, I know we're getting way too far down. He's not going anywhere. No, right, no. But they are not, I would imagine that they are not happy

given the organizational investment in him and the weapons around him, that as a drop-back passer, they are not getting what they are hoping from. Right now. Also, he's had really good games in this stretch. Sure. And you're allowed to have down games.

And we also shouldn't take away the stuff he did with his legs because there were two in particular huge plays. in this game where he made big scrambles. So like that's all part of it. And the leadership stuff too. But yeah, I like,

I don't think that they liked what they saw from him as a quarterback in this game. We will get to Zach in just a second. Let's keep running through these super chats. Aaron says, Bo admit that you are the coward. These fakes on fourth down

are like buzzer beaters. No risk, low likely reward, so you might as well not shoot. So two things here. I don't understand how that makes me a coward. I don't know. even, I mean, go jump off a bridge. False machismo maybe. But I, there is, I do believe that there is diminishing returns to continuing to line up and try to draw them off sides because no one's

surprised by it now. Like at some point you got to, you got to hike it. You got to snap it or else, like they keep doing this Mickey Mouse high school stuff. And I would tell you that I think that like there are people in the league who laugh at them for that. Well, like, commanders just won a game on it like a couple weeks ago, didn't it? Sure. And there are situations when an, it, Absolutely makes sense. But like the fact that they spent so much time in training camp doing this and like it went back to like

what does Nick really do here? They lean on it way too much. There's a certain like boy, you cried Wolf element to it where you need to, like here's the thing with the Dan Campbell play at the end of the game the other night. When it's a situation where we're like, oh, they're probably not going to snap it here.

That defensive line is parallel because they can't jump because there's the threat of the threat of the penalty. Then you go for it because you're taking advantage of it, right? Here, like, I don't know, they're not jumping. Like, they're not, they're not going to bite on that until you get to the point where if it's fourth and eight

and you actually do hike it. But when it's going to be believable. Yeah, but then the counter to that if they're not expecting it, isn't that when you do it? Hold on. Like, yes, but that's a thing is they're not going to do that. Like they, yeah, that's what, yeah, right. If they're doing it on fourth and inches when it's a believable push-push situation,

that's quarterback snake, sure. Yes. That's totally fine. Go ahead and do that because then they, then they really might think that you're going to go. But like on that fourth and eight, I mean, that would have been the perfect time to fake it and then actually go for it. Like if you decided we're not kicking, we're going to go for it. The fungus is taking over.

Yeah, the fungus. Oh, man. Then the defense is sleeping. Right in the kisser. And then Dimitri, our man says, love the show. Watch every day from Australia. We love you, Demetri. Oh, I love our Aussies.

But this is a let down game after three tough weeks. Let's gel. And I think that there was truth to that for sure. Let's see how they respect. bond next week against the Steelers. And Markell, just with the shit. I love that.

I mean, what's awesome about. All right. Oh, and you have Idiot Sandwich with the update there. Very quickly. As we get to,

idiot sandwich says Fran in the car with his parents after his mom and wife's first games, getting the super chat shot out with the live stream playing was elite. Oh, was I flirting with his mom or his wife? Nice.

Nellie's his mom. Well, even better. All right. for the snow leopards. We're about to go to Zach Berman. What do you think his number one goal in the locker room was? AJ Brown.

Pass game. Yeah. Past game. AJ Brown. Okay. I think AJ Brown too. All right. Let's bring him in.

Zach Berman live from the NovaCare, or not the NovaCare, from the link. Let's see what kind of shot he's got. Oh. Look at that. There he is. Looking sharp.

Zach Berman. How are we doing? Tell us, was it? AJ Brown number one for you? what was the big takeaway from the locker room? And then we're going to get to Nick Siriano. Yes, to pass the game overall.

Now, AJ Brown, a big part of that. AJ Brown, Devante Smith, J. Allen Hertz. I wanted to speak to all of them. AJ Brown, I was in the back when he started talking. It's tough there. You have to wrestle your way through. So I got to the front by the end. But I had to listen back for some of the repeat questions.

It was there for just about all of Devonte. I was there for all of Jalen Hertz. And I wanted to speak to the offensive line. I was far more interested in the offense today than the defense. I thought and frankly players confirm this. Players were fairly blunt about this, that the offense is not playing. The passing game, I should say,

is not playing well enough. And A.J. Brown was fairly blunt. I saw P.H.L.Y. Eagles Twitter account or X account, rather. Everyone should be following it. We have the quote graphic up that AJ, when he was asked, what's kind of wrong with the offense right now or what needs to improve with the offense, he said passing. And the, the work.

heard that kept the term that kept coming up was that they're not on the same page. Jalen Hurd said synchronization. And AJ Devante said same page. And I asked Jalen, did you guys play Jalen? Or am I repeating this? Yeah, we listened to a little bit of Jalen, yes. Okay. Well, I actually thought the most revealing thing Jalen said was I asked him this notion of not being on the same page.

Should this be happening in, you know, know, week 13 or game 13. And he said, no. Like, you know, and you asked, and, uh, follow up and he said he already, he already said, why? He's shot you down. He said, no, I, well, I think his follow up was revealing too. I asked why.

He said, I'll just say no. I'll leave it at no. Basically. Now, what a flex, by the way to say that the most revealing thing he said was in response to a question that you asked. No, that, that wasn't a flex. Yeah, that, that wasn't a flex. I, I think, honestly, this passing game,

I don't want to say it's a problem, but they won't win in January and February if the passing games like this. And AJ Brown and Devante Smith, as talented as they are, I know the Eagles are running well. I know they're winning games, but you need to utilize those players more. You need to be more effective with them. They need to be involved with earlier. AJ Brown had two targets at the end of the third quarter. that's the fewest he's had in any game that he's finished in his career right the Giants game last or I shouldn't say his career in his Eagles career I filtered it by Eagles career so that's that's

problematic and I frankly thought it was a good thing or a self-aware thing I should say good self-aware thing that in the locker room those players weren't running from it and AJ and Devante they were honest about that and Jalen to an extent you know he was as much as Jalen could be was honest about that. So this is, you hear a win's a win, but that was not a satisfied locker room. Now, Jordan Milata said to me, or said to us, I should say, not to me, to us, that it's not like someone died in there, right? But that's, that wasn't a post-game locker room that felt that that was especially

excited about or thrilled or enthused about what had transpired during the previous three hours. Now, Zach, I want to, let's stay on the wide. receivers because we've talked about this a little bit and I'm curious your your your thought on it. This is not a situation where AJ Brown and Devante Smith want the ball so that they can get paid, right? Howie Roseman paid them in the offseason. They've been paid.

They want the ball because they know that if they get the ball that like the offense is going to be better. They want to win and AJ Brown knows that him getting the ball is the best path to them winning. Is that the way that you look at it or do you look at this more like, oh, wide receiver is always going to want the ball? No, I think you hit it on the head, Beau. And look, I think the way their offense has functioned through the first, you know, 12, 13 weeks of the season here, well, well, really, since the buy, should, it would be harder to accomplish or be, be, be harder for everyone to be happy with had AJ Brown and Devante Smith not been paid.

But you took care of that. But I think they, they realize. that for this offense to be what it can be, what it needs to be, there needs to be that part of it. You know, the big play threat, the moving the sticks through the air. What that will do for Sequin, frankly, is beneficial, right? Like, yeah, they've won nine in a row.

Let's not dismiss that. But you need more from AJ Brown. You need more from Devante Smith. And you need more because you need to get them more. you need to utilize them more. And whether that's on G. Allen Hurst, whether that's on Kellan Moore, I could say, and I'll defer to Fran when we, when we have Tuesday's show and in the article on all p.hly.com.

But from where I was sitting, there were a place that AJ Brown was open. Yeah. There was a third down, the third down that preceded him slamming the helmet. I thought he was open. In particular, in the late third, fourth quarter, well, fourth quarter, J.C. Horn goes down, right? Their best corner goes down.

he's he's not out there. It should be like, go to AJ, go to AJ, go to AJ. They did it twice and then they, they abandoned it. It's not like baseball where you bat once and then you have to, you know, you have to give everyone else a turn, right? You can keep going to AJ. And so I, yeah, so I, I think this is a concern. And it's a concern that it hasn't prevented them from winning.

I want to make that clear. Like, look, their record is, is, what it is. They're on this winning streak. It's a credit to them. But I think it will affect them winning in January. And that needs to be, I said this in the post game or the pregame, rather, when speaking to Jamie and Fran. That's the way I'm looking at this team now. It's not what does it take to beat the Panthers or what is it going to take in three weeks to be, you know, Washington or Dallas or the Giants. Pittsburgh might be a different story. But what I'm looking at is, what are you playing well enough to beat detroit are you playing well enough to they beat

Baltimore last week i get it but but but it's like that to me yeah yeah exactly a green bay like you you you need to be more efficient and more prolific through the air and they're not there right now yeah exactly said you spoke to the offensive line as well what was their perspective yeah their perspective was that the the um the panthers run defense was doing some things that they didn't see. Lane especially gave a lot of credit to the Panthers. He said the Panthers are a different team than what their record says they are. So he was impressed with what they did.

And they were kind of proud that they were able to muscle out some tough yards there. Both those guys didn't want to get there. Jordan Ayala and Lane Johnson didn't want to fight. too much regarding the passing game. They said they don't really see that, right? They're holding their blocks, but they don't see what's developing downfields. They couldn't really answer that. But they did say that, like, they need to play better on offense.

And, you know, they can't expect the defense to bail them out. And I framed it that way, too, to both players. And they know they can't count on the defense holding opponents to 16 points. They're confident that they will, but they can't count on that. And there's been too much counting on that this season. So, yeah, it was a, the offensive line felt like they're not playing up to their standard, that there are things that they must clean up here. Now, both of them said that it's a win.

You do what it takes to win. A wins a win. You heard that. You didn't hear that from Devante Smith. You heard that from some of the other guys. But it was clear in talking to them that they feel this offense must play better. So, Zach, there's an elephant in the room here. And it said the Eagles don't have a kid.

kicker that they trust. Did it come up at all with Siriani or did anyone speak to Jake Elliott in the locker room? Because I'm sure Bo is going to ask you about the decision to punt here next. But that was a pretty loud signal from the sidelines today, not attempting the kick there. What do you think they do going forward with here with Jake Elliott? I mean, you kind of just have to write them out, but it's going to affect a lot. Yeah. So regarding that now, for full disclosure, I did not go to Nipis Siriani's press conference today.

I went to I didn't hear him Markle was talking at the same time he said it was he talked about the way yeah no it did yeah yeah it came out

it was the first question so you guys want to jump in midway through or or or or on he said that and someone told me Jake said this too okay yeah that it was the wind

and he said it was windier on the field then it might have seen so look that's certainly plausible that would be the case. But yeah, Jake's 0 for five this year on 50 plus yard pupils. You know, the numbers are what they are. He missed an extra point that got taken off the board.

They were able to go for two there. It was actually pretty big in the game there. But, yeah, I think that that kicker problem, this is long enough to be a trend. And it needs to be taken into account. I still think they trust Jake. I still think in a money situation, they're not going to be afraid to go to Jay. But, Zach, that was a money situation. When you have a fourth thing, an eight?

That was a money situation, and they didn't trust him. Yeah, so I, well, no. So, Bo, I'm, now, what Siriani said, and I am going to buy this. No, no, can you hear me? Yeah, we got you. Yeah, I'm going to buy what, hold on her. Okay. I might have to just switch wireless networks here real quick.

Will that cut me off if I do that? You're getting all kinds of Wi-Fi issues this weekend. This conversation got too hot. He's looking ahead to next week, just like the Eagles. Classic trap game. Oh, no. We'll check back in a minute. All right.

I'll get him in a second. In the meantime, we can go to the other super chats. Aaron Wydeman is back. Says, I proved his point. I'm a coward because I care what other people think because I'm being cowardly. Oh, this is what Lurie thinks, not me. Well, listen, Aaron, you're making a very, eloquent point.

Clearly you're a very smart person. He also says the bills are down 24 to 14. Are we their season spelled T-H-E-R-E? I told you all you need to know about Aaron. Markell says, thanks for pronouncing my name correctly. What is the status of James Bradbury with the safety's being hurt? Would he have a role right now? Oh, God, not.

Well, listen, though. I know. In theory. In theory, this is the reason that he's been around here, is if break glass in case of emergency, some some help at safety. No, CJ Gardner Johnson came back into this game. Yep. And Reed Blankenship does not have a long-term injury. He should be back relatively soon. So I don't think that they necessarily need to go to him. But it's a fair point because the longer

this goes on, like, we'll tell us the truth about what they thought about James Bradbury. I think we have ZB back as well. But yes, I don't want to see James Bradbury in any situation ever. All right, let's get, let's go back to Zach. All right, Zach. So it was a money situation. It was a 53-year field goal in slightly difficult conditions to go up nine points instead of six points with over three minutes to go. Yes. Now, I would have kicked a field goal,

but I do buy what Nick Siriani said. Yeah. No, do you have me here? We have you. You're delayed, but go ahead. I do buy what Nick Siriani said, which was, okay. So Nick looked at the way they punted last week against Baltimore. and that was factoring in to his thought process here. He thought that he could punt the ball there,

pin them back, and try to make them go the length of the field. I disagree with the decision, but I do think that was next thought process, that he saw work last week, talks about this whole plus the plus 50 punting game. I disagree with how he approached it, but I think that, I think that was more of a factor than not having confidence in Jake Elliott.

I see your point. And look, it's a bad look there, not to go to your kicker on a 53-yard field goal. I'm not on the field to know what the win situation is. So I can't speak to that. I'll take them at their word there. I do know that Nick was especially proud of the punt. last week and the effect that had in the game. He said today that they pinned them back.

They almost got a safety. And look, Bryce Young had to make a big play for them to even get out of the end zone there. So I think that that was Nick's thought, was that they could pin them back, force the Panthers to go the length of the field. That said, I disagree with it. It's not the move I would have made or that I would have made. But I do think that where Nick's coming from there is a place of, like, confidence in his hunting game.

even if I disagree. Because if you do miss that field goal, then Carolina has a much shorter field and it changes the odds there. I think you're trying to force them to go 98, 99 yards. There's also, to be fair, a difference between pinning them deep with the goal being that you're then going to get the ball back and score yourself, which is not this situation.

This is about this is trying to lengthen the field for them to score a touchdown, which is probably going to be a four down drive unless they go three and out on the first series of downs. So it's not quite the same thing. And yeah, I mean, we knew that he was going to learn the wrong lesson from that punt last week. I don't think that that was the right decision.

And he can talk about the wind as a factor. And I'm sure, of course, you have to factor that in. That is a part of the process. But if Jake Elliott was Jake Elliott of last year, he's kicking that field goal, no doubt about it. Yeah. Yeah. Look, well, that's a valid point there.

And again, and you guys know this. They have kicking lines where they say you have to get to this line, and that factors in the wind. I'm sure that that factors in the way Jake's kicking too, right? So, but, and if Jake was five of five on kicks at 50 plus yards, maybe that line there is different than what it was. but to the original point of the question, a kicking problem,

they're dealing with the same thing Baltimore is dealing with from where I stand is that they have a guy they've invested a lot in who's built a lot of equity who's not kicking well enough right now. And you're not going to move on from him. A, he's done too much, B, he earns too much.

You have to ride through it. And this is where you need to hope that, all right, you have four games remaining here. figure this out because this can cost you a playoff game missed extra points miss chip shot field goals I mean miss 50 yard field goals right um gate you know they're going to have close games late in the season and um yeah they they need they need more from jake elli that's that's absolutely accurate i think figuring out jake elliott right now in my opinion is fixing the passing game because you're not going to

be able to kick some of these field goals and like i have no confidence watching him I probably would have loved to have put them out there today. But like, I don't know. I think they got to fix his passing game to fix Jake Elliott because I don't think they can trust them going forward. I hate to say that because he's been money, but it's bad. Yeah, I think those are different issues. You know, I don't think AJ and Devonte gone lights out

is going to all of a sudden fix Jake Elliott. Well, no, but it gives you confidence, let's say a fourth and four or fourth and five to go for it rather than take a 50-50 proposition from your field goal kicker. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, I don't think they're not going for things right now because they're

passing game. But I think that I think their passing game needs to be better. I think, you know, I think this is for an 11 and 2 team. I think they have things that really need to be fixed quickly. Let's spin into the defense, Zach, because the defense was fine, but not up to their standard of the past eight games or so, lining up the 13 performances against the Panthers offense this season.

It was only 9th of 13 in success rate and 9th in EPA per drive defensively. They gave up 16 points, but almost surrendered what would have been a potential game-winning touchdown to Xavier Leggett at the end. How did the defense react in the locker room? Yeah, spoke to Slay,

who said that after that play to Leggett, he was like, all right, you got me one time, you're not going to get me again. He knew they were going to go to Theo-Ewen. He expected them to go to The Owen on that final play. Said that, you know, that's their money player. That's the player that is he's like the safety net.

Those two have a long history against each other going back to the NFC North. When they moved Theoine pre-snap, Slay said that was done to get vet on vet, which he kind of took, I don't say umbrage to, but he said, all right, it's on, right? And he said he locked Theo and down on the first, on the initial route. And then he said, he said that on the scramble drill,

then Bryce Young goes to Theo and he jumps in front of it. He makes the play. So there was that, that was kind of a big talking point from Sle. They were happy with, obviously, the way the defense played overall. I need to go back and listen to C.J. Garner Johnson because I was pretty far back in that scrum. And then bits and pieces from other guys. But honestly, most of my time was spent trying to figure out what was wrong with the offense and talking to those offensive players. And Seekwon.

Now, with that offense, we saw Grand Calcutera score his first touchdown as an Eagles act. What did he do to celebrate after that touchdown? What did he do to celebrate? You tell me, what did he do to celebrate? No, I was hoping you, I mean, you were there. You saw it in person. What did he do? It was on the opposite end zone.

So the people watching on TV actually had a better glimpse than I did. What did he do to celebrate? Take a guess. Take a guess. Did he do the Cooper the Gene celebration? Yeah, let's see it. Let's do it. Oh, okay.

Yeah, you're not getting me do that on camera. Yeah. Yeah, no. The YouTube commenters can say what they want to say. A man must have a code as I learned in Baltimore. Reads reviews is saying, Daddy, please do the Kubridi Dijin. Is he actually saying that? Well, I think he wants you to.

He wants you to do it. He said, did you bring the picture? Oh, I love you, Reed. No, I did not bring the picture, buddy. Yeah, we can have a long conversation about journals about another time. Yeah, no, I did not bring, I did not bring read Blanketship in the picture. Oh, but we didn't know what. Reed's got to stick together.

Well, read Blanketship also. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, but, um, but I, yeah, I appreciate that. But you could make them up to it by. Thanks. Thanks, thanks, I'll like fix my hair.

Like maybe like that. I don't know. Yeah. So, well, that touchdown pass, Joan Hurts said it was a late developing route too. And he said that was something that, you know, it was in the route for the ball to go late. So that's kind of a little detail about that touchdown pass. Sequin Barkley spoke to Sequin, who he's not going to deny that legacy is important to him. he when he signed with the Eagles he researched the franchise is running back history really he knew yeah he actually he didn't know who uh who who Montgomery was Wilbur Montgomery when he signed here

he did some research on Wilbur Montgomery obviously knows Lasham McCoy has a lot of respect for Lasham McCoy so I thought it was cool to break it uh you know he knew going into the game how many yards he needed. He said he didn't necessarily know at at the moment, but he had an idea what was going on there. By the way, I see the truth that someone's got to figure out the real meaning to get the celebration. I think Bo got to the bottom of it. No, I know. It's just guessing. I also see that Reed says ZB, do it. Reed. Read. Read. Read. Not going to be peer pressure for my own son. Read, read. I love you, buddy, but your your father must must be

man of principle, right? So, yeah, yeah. If there's a, no, I don't want to be caught on tape with some of the things that might be referring to. Yeah, I would rather both do it. I think it's the eight mile thing. No. I'm not sure, actually.

Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure it's the eight mile thing. So, yeah. Yeah, so Sequin Barkley was speaking about like the way he played overall. He said it wasn't a sexy running day, but he kind of takes pride. Like, it was an effective running day. They were able to do it, you know, with bits and pieces here and there. He said his focus, the next record, the next thing is just Pittsburgh. Like, he's focused on Pittsburgh.

But it's kind of funny just to get kind of behind the scenes. So Sequin gets out of the shower, he's walking over to his locker. And there's like this huge crowd around, you know, standing. by his like every you know 15 cameras as you know a bunch of reporters and he he says to me he he says are they talking to Kenny okay and I'm like I'm like no Sikpon that's for you right uh and so everyone had to kind of clear out for him to you know for him to him to change but it was like everyone was like surrounding Seekpon's locker before he was there and he thought they were all talking to Kenny when he was there so he was kind of wondering like what's what's going on is that for

gain well. Jack, I don't want to scare you. I know you have a job to you. There's someone in the room with you, it looks like. Yeah, I'm aware. I'm aware, but I got to be a pro, man, right? I just want to make sure you can get your head on a swivel. I don't want you getting attacked.

Yeah, yeah. No, I hope re learns from that as well about being a pro. Okay, I like that. All right, so bottom line, Zach, you know, there's a couple curmudgins in the chat who are saying we're not being happy enough after the Eagles win their ninth in the season. But this team. does need to be graded on the scale of Super Bowl contention.

How does this game make it feel? Is it you're allowed to have a down week, or do you think there are real pressing concerns about this team moving forward? Yeah, look, it's a fair question. I understand what those people are saying, but I'm telling you, I'm reflecting what the locker room saying,

and I don't think this was a locker room that was especially overjoyed. This was a locker room that was not... Which I think is notable because they have been joyous lately. Right. Exactly. Yeah. I think, look, I'm here to tell you you're not being a crumgeon if that's your sentiment.

Like that, I think the locker room actually, I respect the fact that I think they had a good beat on the way to feel after this game. I guess the, if you want kind of my take on this, the concern would be whether if you say, all right, they had a down day. you know, it's a long season, a quote-unquote trap game, letdown day, they still won, they still escaped with the win, then that's fine. They're coming off a huge win against Baltimore.

More of a concern would be actually, what my interpretation of this was, was that I don't think they looked over the Panthers. I don't think this was a trap game. I don't think they, I just don't think they played well. Like I think they kind of played to what the Panthers were. And I think that is more of a concern because Bo always says the sign of a good team is like when you blow out bad teams.

And that was a team that they, you know, they were 13.5 point favorites. Those 13 and 4 favorites. I got to say, like, I don't watch anyone's pockets. Okay. But when Xavier, when Xavier got caught or dropped that ball, the first thing I thought is, man, what's that guy with that bet thinking right now? He's got the money line on this? Yeah.

Like, so, you know, I, I never look at anyone else as well, but I'm like, oh, God, I got, that guy must be sweating bolts right now. The last four double digit spreads in the NFL, Zach, have not covered. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so I thought that more of the concern here is like, I think they, that the way they played today was what's always kind of the way they are right now. And they need to do more. They need to be more explosive through the air.

They just need to, like they, they don't need to be the 2022 version. They just need to be better. And if they, if they're like marginally better through the air, I would feel much, much better about their chances here. Because look, the defense keeps answering the bell. Like I understand Carolina threatened. Nick said, you know, they were bent, but don't break today, the Eagles defense. But 16 points.

They held them to 16 points. And every week, you look at the scoring defense. And they're, and they're doing this. And so I give them a lot of credit because I thought Bryce Young did play well today. I was very impressed, especially in the second half with Bryce Young. The offense needs to do more. They absolutely need to do more. They can't have three and out as much as they do.

They need to finish in the end zone more than they do. And so they, yeah, I think that you're not a cramage. And you recognize, look, when you're 11 and 2, like, you give them credit. You can't stumble into 11 and 2. You can't through this point in the season. Now, if avid listeners of the show can probably find a clip of me saying that last year around the same time, that you can't stumble into what they were, 10 and 2, 10 and 3 at that point. But yeah, they earned this spot.

But the other thing that they earned, and I said this pregame, They earned the conversation of being a Super Bowl contender. And when you're a Super Bowl contender, part of what that conversation is, is what does it take to win in January and February? And what it takes to win in January and February is far better than the way they played today. All right. Zach Brammer, we look forward to reading what you have to. Go ahead.

Real quick. Yeah. So at halftime, by the way, half time, I went down. I spoke to a loyal viewer from Scotland and signed a book for him. He was a great guy, Jim. He actually spoke to Boe 15 years ago. And Bo asked him 15 years ago what he would rather see England win the World Cup or the Eagles win the Super Bowl.

Okay. I don't know if Boe remembers that conversation. He said the Eagles win the Super Bowl. So he saw that. And I said, yeah, I said, you saw that. And England still hasn't won the World Cup. I thought he was Scottish Yeah, but he's from England

He's from, no, he's He lives in Scotland He's English, but he lives in Scotland Yes, exactly So that explains no kilt Yeah, I did say to him, both thought you'd be in a kilt And then he said, no, I'm from England So that was one

But then, on my way there, on my way there, someone stopped me, Really nice guy Okay England. And, you know, a group of, you know, family, the Walshers, who, who, who, who, listened to our show, avid listeners, awesome. And then I'm walking back and the two young kids said, hey, can you mention me on the show? And I said, sure.

You know, we're all about building a community here, right? So I want to give a shout out the Jack and Will. Yeah, the Jack and Will Walsh, the Jack and Will Walsh. The Jack and Will Walsh. Jack and Will. Jack and Will. Yeah. And then I got to say I had I had three signings this this weekend.

It was awesome seeing so many. No, it was awesome seeing so many P.H.O.I. Eagles listeners come to these signings. Some people had me to write some inside jokes for inscriptions on books. I asked everyone what can be better with the show. Some people loved it the way it is. Some people had some feedback. it was awesome and then the other highlight

of my weekend has been every time I look at my phone I'm getting a notification about someone's Spotify rat that I'm getting DMs and I'm getting emails I'm going to read them on Monday show maybe I should give an extension right

because so like Because it's a lot of work today tomorrow no but I think that's awesome and I just want to say like how grateful I am and it's really reinforced to me how cool this how cool what we do is because of the community that that that we have here give us an example of an inside joke you wrote on a on a book uh okay yeah so uh out in

phoenixville and by the way if you've ever been to phoenixville oh i heard phoenixville's great these days yeah yeah yeah yeah a very nice area reads someone actually that's one of the inside jokes Apparently. I said to someone. Really good wings. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. One of the guys who came through, I, you know, I said to everyone. Are you from out here? I said, I'm so impressed with Phoenix. I haven't been here. This is so nice. I was actually doing my signing next to this nice guy. Mike, he wrote a book on the best Philly sandwiches and we were, or on the history

of Philly sandwiches. And I think he was like, like, kind of like scared by the conversation I was having with everyone coming here, right? But I would say, Phoenixville. it's nice. Then one of the listeners said, said, yeah, great food city. I said, I appreciate that.

But there was, there was, there was one guy who he has a first name, last name is, well, everyone, yes, his first name is last name. All right. Are both first names. Prince. Are both first names. And so he does the, the Boe Wolf joke, and he's done that around his house. And he said that his, I think he's dropping his wife nuts with it, right?

And then his son in school wanted to know if Beau came up with superb owl, because his teacher used superb out. So I think that's awesome. And then it's always cool when people come to the book signings where, you know, I love when people wear P-H-L-Y gear. that's awesome but uh there's some like long time listeners who were wearing birds of friend sweatshirts to the book signings that's really cool to see because you see them you're like oh thank you it's awesome um but uh yeah yeah then people uh they're tattooed underneath

i'll i'll leave that up to you but then the the big sentiment that i hear is like the amount of people who have who have long commutes and listen because look i appreciate all the youtube viewers and all the comments we get and I know there's a lot of people who watch it on on on YouTube and I get obsessed over the YouTube numbers like I'm looking at them all the time all the time but I have to realize how many people are listening on their commute to work from work on audio as well so when I pass by the Walshs today and they stopped and they said hello I just wanted to reinforce how cool this weekend's been seeing people in the wild and getting all those Spotify Reds.

All right. Well, we'll look forward to that tomorrow, Zach, and look forward to reading what you write on all p.hly.com for those of you who are diehards. And if you're not a diehard, you can still sign up. Check in on the chat. If there's anything you think we haven't talked about about this game yet, we're going to clean up a couple little things at the end. Last question, Zach, how would you feel if one of those people showed up and had a Zach

Berman tattoo? Is it my name or is it my likeness? Your likeness. It's your likeness. Flattered. You know, Chris Long has Ken has Ken Flaigel on his body. So I would look at it like maybe they lost a bet.

But I suppose it depends, it depends where in the body it is, right? So you have to factor that as well. Well, no, because that would vary too. Yeah, maybe someone doesn't like you. And like it's on their ass or somewhere as far as on the backside, right? Right? So, yeah, so it depends where it is, right?

just they're forcing you to sit and pee. Yeah, exactly, exactly. You might not sit and pee, but you're damn well going to watch while I do. Yeah, exactly. All right, guys, that's it. I read if you're watching, don't use that word in stock. I'm glad we finally got there. Okay, thank you, Zach.

Good luck writing. We'll talk to you tomorrow. See you, Zach. Okay, a couple things to clean up from this game. A good question. I missed who it was from. but the face mask on Cacetara going down. Do you think those should be reviewable?

I mean, I just, I don't want like, you can't have more adjudication on that stuff. Just make the call. It was pretty obvious. Just get the call right, yeah. I don't know if it's reviewable as much as, like, the idea of there being an official in the booth that can just buzz down and look at the replays

and can buzz down with stuff. Yeah, that's not, that's not bad. And they've done, they've gotten better about that, this year with some of those quick ones. Also that the Eagles got a little bit fortunate on that spot on the AJ Brown completion. Very fortunate. We were talking about, yeah.

Yeah, and that was that last drive. Right. They were going forward progress, even though we turned it around. Yeah, third and 13. 13. And they hit some right at the sticks. I thought that would, that probably should have been just short. But then AJ made it like a football move to like reestablish him.

Yeah. That one was tight. They got lucky on that one. We've got to give, we haven't, we haven't talked about him at all, but, but Zach Bonn, another series of impactful plays in this game. Pay that man, his money. 11 tackles and the only sack of the game for the Eagles, Nikobie Dean with 12 tackles.

And there were several plays where, I don't know if it looked this way on film in the first half, but there was some really good pursuit happening side to side from those two guys. Yeah, they're against this running tackle that gets Chuba Hubbard out to the perimeter. You would need that. If the edges weren't set,

you would need Bonn and Niko to get out there. And I thought that showed up, certainly in the first half a couple look like missed assignments up front for the offensive line on some of those pressures for Jurgens there was the one miscommunication where Jurgens lets the guy go and maybe thinks he has help I think he thinks he has I think he expects there I'll go back to because with how tight they were on the shot yeah see what was holding Bexton on the other side so that'll that'll be a film room thing tomorrow Dejean maybe worst game is probably uh gave up more catches than he has in any game

at least yeah said. Fangio was pissed after the touchdown. Oh, I didn't see this. Yeah. So he was like there was the they showed the replay of him in the booth top angle. Really? Yeah, not up to those.

Like through something. He was really. Oh, I didn't see that. Oh, yeah. So my guess is based off of it, he was either mad at CJ, let CJ wasn't tighter to the route because it was like a rug concept. You know, there was two guys stacked on top of each other. The first receiver ran up.

And CJ had to kind of follow his guy underneath. And either he's mad because CJ didn't. play that tighter or if he and Slay were supposed to pass things off that would be the other thing my guess is it was probably the the former okay um and then i did think you know we cj garnon johnson has we've talked about for most of the season has probably been the weak link of the five guys in the secondary once cooper de jean went into the lineup yep and hasn't been sort of giving the impactfulness that he was signed to give uh but in this game he did i mean we did talk about the thumping tackle on the opening possession and then the interception like this was what what you were hoping to get from him when you brought him back yeah you know he brought a little bit

of that edge you saw him a couple of the other mixups there especially late in the first half so look at that that that is what you're hoping to get from him and he gets that interception obviously as you mentioned so I think that that's that's what you're hoping to see from him more often than not for the Eagles defense that you know in the first half of the season was dying to get those turnovers hopefully he can get into the party a little bit and then I do have to a plus physical comedy from Jalen Carter that touchdown at the end of the first episode really sold it on the third down

he gets pushed by the offensive lineman and totally falls over and then after they give up the touchdown he's going back and forth with Chuba Hubbard and he gives Chuba Hubbard a little push and then Hubbard gives him one and he does a really good fake like oh whoa whoa whoa and like stumbles backwards a little bit I don't know if they show that on the broadcast but didn't actually fall down that time that was fantastic so now you know not only can he play all those snaps but

he's got a future as an actor. There you go. I like that. It's got the physical comedy, Gene. Yeah, I love that. Anything else that you want to get off your chest, Jamie, before we pop on out of here? No, but I think I'm, I think I've given up on the one seed. I think, uh, oh, okay. I mean, the situation is the Eagles at the, the, the easiest path would be for them to win out and the Lions to lose two more games.

Yeah, the Vikings went to 11 and 2 today. So like, you might have to worry about the 2 seed. Well, they can't be the 2 seed. Oh, yeah, true. Division winners. Right. But, you know, it's top heavy at the NFCEs. Those are good teams.

Like, Sam Darnold, to the point about improving the past, what do you have four passing touchdowns today? Yes, I think so. Sam Darnold. Three to Addison. Yeah, we want to have five touchdowns. Yeah, he might have. Justin had at least one, if not too.

You know, it's a bad game. A wins a win. I don't want to get too down. Let's see how they do next week. But yeah, you've got to bounce back with a strong passing attack next week and make us forget about this. I do think there. I do think there's something, though, to, I mean, Zach, I think nailed it in that that

that was not the sentiment in the locker room. Yeah. I don't think that we're overblowing it. I don't think our reactions were negative. I think that, you know, in the past, we've heard that locker and we've heard that coach go up and say like, good point. It's tough to, it's tough to get these wins. That was that, that was tough team.

Like, of course, that's what like Nick said, but to me, like the mindset of that locker room, I think was telling. Yeah. Good point. What are you most looking forward to zeroing in on when you turn on the film? The past game. And just the, the miss is there. you know, some of the inconsistencies.

I went through just over the last 20 minutes of the show, just went through and looked at the percentage of throws. So the percentage of dropbacks where Jalen held it for over four seconds. That was over 20% of his dropbacks in this game. That's the fourth time that he's done that this year. No other quarterback has done it more than twice. Interesting. And he's 22nd league on EPA per dropback

when he holds it for more than four seconds, which includes scrambles. Okay. So yeah, I mean, he has not been great on those. It's always been one of the disappointments about the passing game with Jalen Hertz is that for a guy who is able to elude the rush so much that they don't get more out of those scramble plays. Yeah. They're not often like leading to guys sprung open wide open downfield.

Yeah, I'm like 90% sure that that includes scrambles. Yeah. So he's done it four times. Bo Nix and Justin Fields of each on it twice and then a bunch of guys are not once. So, okay. All right, closing out with the last of the super chats, Roger says,

hypothesis. Hertz's hesitancy pulling the trigger is because he's afraid to throw interceptions. Seems like the issue with the quarterback is not making quick decisions. I buy it. I don't know that it's, I don't think that it's a one to one,

but I do think that that is a real factor. Yeah. I think that he was raked over the coals internally for his looseness with the full. football the first four or five games of the season so I think that that is a factor and you know what like that's as he was throwing those picks in the first part of the season I was sitting here like yeah like that's fine those those those those are fine ones like those those are different ones like someone in the end zone yeah it was a hell of play there was a fine one yeah that's a throw

that I want you to try to make yeah try and make those throws um it's the it's the lazy ones where that actually didn't turn into interceptors right so it's like the sideline throws to Kenny gain well that both could have been easy pick six is like those to get that uh uh It kind of heralded them a lot, too. His interception numbers were low because he didn't. He didn't force the tough throws. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Aaron says, can we get Vinnie back?

Where's the joy? One bad win. Well, we need a big Noah Curry win down in Florida. Yeah, I mean, we'll trade a disappointing win here. How about next week? Noah Curry bringing on the W. You want to make that trade? You just want to be able to make that trade.

All right. You officially, how about, yeah, if, If we can get the chat to approve it, we'll trade you for any next week. Yeah, sure. In two weeks, we'll get everybody back together. Yeah, sounds like a good plan. Self scouting begins today. And then Markell says everybody did the DeGon.

The Dijon, Sele today. By the way, we have a Dijon shirt on the P.HLWi store. So if you want to just be bumping this all around town, might as well have the shirt to go with it. You see Cooper went viral yesterday because he was waiting out in the street for his Angelo's just like everybody else? No, I didn't see that. He was taking pictures with birds fans.

And as he was waiting for his Angeles cheese steak or pizza or whatever you get. Cooper, we can get you in touch with Danny. Come on, we know people. We can get you to the V-I-K-A-K-K-A. It might have been Friday. I know that that's his day off. But like, I know what you got to do. Yeah.

J-V-Moo for him. I perform my best with Cooper Sharpe. Plus the day before a game. Shamed ribby in my belly. Maybe that explains it. I had a punt return today, too. There's the final result. The final check from Julia on the was punting the ball,

the right call by Siriani. 72% of you are morons. But we appreciate you watching and listening, nevertheless. That'll do it for the P.HLY Eagles Postgame show. Thank you to Zach for checking in. Thank you to Jamie and Fran and Julia and Chris behind the scenes. Most of all, thank you to the sickos of you in the chat. If you're watching after the fact,

let us know in the comments on YouTube, how much you hate that Aaron guy. And then we'll be back all week, 2 o'clock. Me and Zach tomorrow, Fran joining us on Tuesday for the film review. Jamie and Rich on, are you here on Wednesday with Jamie? I am not. Rich will be in, but I will not be. Got it.

Okay. But handsome Rich will be holding it down. The classic Thursday Friday shows from there with Fran and Danes. And then Vinnie back in the seat next week. Super. Swooper. We'll get to Swooper. I think it was probably good for you, right?

We'll say. Okay, we'll see. It's going to be tight. It's going to be tight. All right. Is that out of it at this one? Big picture rise? Yeah, yeah.

He's ghost. Two man race. Okay. All right. All right. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.I. Eagles post game show. The Eagles win.

22 to 16, move to 11 and 2. And everybody's furious. Just as we like it in Philadelphia. We'll talk to tomorrow. And as always, we love you. You're all silly like the mayor.