PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles Postgame: DeVonta Smith drop, Jalen Hurts concussion lead to heartbreaker

Episode Date: December 22, 2024

It was a crazy game in Maryland as the Eagles lost Jalen Hurts to a concussion and forced five turnovers on defense, only for the Commanders to have a chance to win it in the end. Jamison Crowder, of all people, scored the game-winning touchdown to snuff out the Eagles’ chances at the No. 1 seed. Saquon Barkley ran 150 yards and had a 68-yard touchdown run, A.J. Brown had 97 yards receiving, but it wasn’t enough.Join Super Bowl champion Vinny Curry, Fran Duffy, Jamie Lynch and Bo Wulf on the PHLY Eagles show to unpack it all and where the Eagles go from here. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

not return. The Eagles force five turnovers on defense and still come away with a heartbreaking 36 to 33 loss. And we are, of course, presented by Bet365. Download the Bet365 app. Use code P-H-L-Y-365 when you sign up. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary. At Bet-365, we're going to hear from Zach Berman from the Commander Stadium. We'll probably hear from Nick Siriani as well.

We have so much to talk about in this game in which a Devante Smith drop. kills the Eagles at the end and allows the opportunity for Jaylon Daniels to lead the commanders down the field for the game-winning touchdown. Vinnie, I see Super Bowl champion Vinnie Curry, by the way. Also Jamie Lynch and Fran Duffy here to talk about it all. But Vinny, I see how down you are. That's just a tough one to take. Man, just...

Nice PHL Yvini, though. I appreciate it. Man, make sure you get your merch. Company, man. But this was heartbreaking because when you watch the body of the game, we really kicked their ass. And to lose like this, it just hurts. And what is so brutal is the preceding defensive possession. It's like this is the chance for the defense to go out there and win a game.

And they do it. A beautiful team play with Josh Sweat getting the rough, the rush. Nikobi Dean adding in to force the throw. Darius Slay tips the ball and Reed Blankenship gets the interception. sets the Eagles up for where they just basically need a first down to win the game. And Kenny Pickett, who we will talk about, hits Devante Smith in the hands for a slant that should have been the icer. And he just drops the ball, Fran. Yeah, I mean, there are so many individual moments when you have games like this that you

could point to and you can say, well, this would have been good to have this play. You talk about that long scramble on fourth down from Jaden Daniels. You have the drop pass from Devante Smith. You had some blown coverages on the back end. Even plays that go back to the first half, guys are going to be. kicking themselves for a handful of those moments in these games. But at the end of the day, this offense scored 12 points from after the first quarter. Sequin Barclay had 41 rushing yards after the first quarter. He's talking about the defense forcing five turnovers, but it was a very feaster famine day from this defense where you're giving up a bunch of touchdowns.

What do they score three touchdowns in the fourth quarter alone? At the end of the day, like, that's not good enough if you're going to try and get a win. If you're trying to clinch a playoff spot you're trying to bench beat a division rival those things those lines are not good enough yeah i mean everybody takes a piece of this one yeah um but i also think you force five turnovers the offense should do better they scored 13 points total off of those five turnovers a touchdown on the first one yep and then after that nothing nothing field goal field goal in the second half and jamie the upshot here now is that the eagles are are not going to be the number one seed it is not it's not it's not officially over but they would need to win their last two games have detroit lose both of their

last two games and Minnesota lose their next two games before beating Detroit in week 18. That's not going to happen. And so this team now, having Jalen Hertz suffering this concussion, who knows what his status will be next week, you could maybe squint and convince yourself this is an opportunity for them to maybe calm down. And this is their chance to get the rest that they otherwise would have gotten with a buy. Well, if they are on a crash course here with the commanders in a playoff matchup, I can predict where I would have been in like three or four weeks where I would have been

going, oh man, really hard to beat a team three times in one year. So they got that out of the way. So, you know, like all is good. I hope I never see Kenny Pickett play quarterback again. I miss Jalen Hertz a lot today. And it does feel a lot like that Falcons game where like maybe it's that game you shouldn't have won, but you did win and then a drop just kind of shot, you know, that was like the nail in the coffin.

And they have the Devonte drop in this game. It's impossible to be upset with Devante because he's so good and what he does weekend and when he guys is excellent. But man, like, that's the game right there. So that's two of their three losses are on plays where if somebody just secures the ball, you win. That's tough. That is tough. But life goes on. I mean, you know, the defense was human today.

And I think that's more where my focus was. Jayton Daniels ripped them up. Five touchdowns. I mean, my boy Quinyon got, got, you know, You know, he let up a touchdown. That's not like him. And a few huge plays with his legs for Jane Daniels. That fourth and 11 in the fourth quarter where he scrambles.

A huge play there. That he goes, got to stop there. That game is all but over. Daniels finishes with 24 of 39 passing for 258 yards. Five touchdowns, two interceptions, nine carries for 81 yards. And you mentioned it, Jamie. All signs now point to this probably being the matchup in the first round of the playoffs in the wild card round, the commanders coming to Philadelphia

as the seven seed versus the two seed. Vinnie, you kind of like that matchup. I mean, look at it like this. Before the general hers go down, this was going to be a slaughter. You know? Yeah. If that's what we got to look forward to how that first quarter went in the playoffs,

then saw me up for it. And this was a game between these two teams. Obviously, division rivals, you're always expecting some chippiness. This was a very chippy game. C.J. Garner Johnson gets disqualified for having two personal fouls. The officiating in this game was extremely up and down on both sides.

Even on the game-winning touchdown pass looked like the right tackle was off sides. You saw the commanders guys doing the BG celebration. I know you didn't like that. And so, yeah, I mean, this is like all signs now, a three-week waiting period for a collision course between these two teams that right now don't like each other very much. Which is awesome. You know, that's great NFL playoff theater.

I'm not worried about them coming into the link in that environment. I know Jade and Daniels played excellent today, but put him on the road in the playoffs at the link. It's a totally different game. Possibility that we have seen Jalen Hertz's last regular season action of this game because if he's ruled out next week and then the Eagles are locked into the two seed, we have no reason to play him. No reason to play him.

My guess is if he's coming off that, they would probably give him like the first half. Or something like that. But this is going to be interesting. What did you make of Pickett's performance, friend? It obviously wasn't great. And there's a lot that you go, but look, here's, at the end of the day, he's a backup quarterback. He's, uh, so is Dana McKee.

Yeah. Well, you weren't going to see McKee today. Like we weren't going to see McKee today. 14 to 24 for 143 yards. One touchdown, one interception for picket, three carries for 30. It felt so much worse than that stat line. It did. But that's, I mean, look, at the end of the day, there's also the handful of plays that went

incomplete because they were drawn pass interference penalties from AJ Brown. You know, that's hidden yardage there. I think that pick. it was fine, maybe. I think that's probably generous. He wasn't ideal. They were three for 13 on third down in this game. They certainly didn't seem like they trusted him.

No. And look, I think my guess is it would probably look a little bit different if you go into the full week with him as the starter. This is kind of what you get, though, when you see backup quarterback step into games right now around the NFL. Backup quarterback plays. Not great when you look around the league. And so at the end of the day, you need everybody else to kind of pick it up.

And that's on both sides of the ball. And the Eagles didn't get enough of that. We talked about it during the watch along. And we hope you did join us with the watch along. And by the way, we're chasing that 300 or 30,000 subscribers. So if you are just watching for the first time, make sure you hit that subscribe button for PHLI. We talked about this.

Harry Roseman's offseason. Most of the returns, very, very good, right? Now you throw Devin White to the side, but obviously Zach Vaughn has been a home run. So many other moves. Obviously, Sequan. You know, Bryce off. because we can get to him, they might get him back,

but Mackay Beckton has been huge. But Kenny Pickett was a big part of that. You know, they traded the equivalent of a fourth-round pick for moments like this to have a reliable number two quarterback for a situation where you're going to be fighting for the number one seed and you've got to replace Jalen Hertz. And when they had a guy in Tanner McKee, who they did like internally and probably outplayed Kenny Pickett

during the summer, they go to Pickett. And in this game, it's not even necessarily that he was so disappointing. It's just that the whole point of having a reliable number two quarterback with starting experience is so that the offense can trust him and you can say, guess what? Like, it's okay to just throw the ball to A.J. Brown and Devante Smith. And you saw the way that the defense was teeing off on Seikwin-Barkley in the second half, Finney. That did not seem to really be the case.

No, you know what? But when it comes down to those last couple drives that Seqam drop with Bobby Wagner just forces it out, if Bobby Wagner doesn't force it out, you feel me? And then, and the Tavante catches the Vante

drop. I know. Yeah. Can he pick it through the game when he passed. Listen, everyone out there,

I would have called that same play. If you watched, I don't know if you watched the game. Yeah, you called it. I would have called

that same exact play. You know, I don't, I don't, I'm not mad at him for dropping that pass because the man

never drops any passes. But that was six right there. I mean, that one's going to eat him up. Yeah. That's, if they get that, if they get that,

if they get that, If they get that conversion, it's probably the game. It's the two-minute warning. Commanders have one time out. So you're going to run one play. They're going to call time out. Even if you don't get a first down, they would get the ball back with like 30 seconds left, maybe a little bit under that with having to score a touchdown.

Not impossible. They want a game this season on the Hail Mary. But if you would have asked me like, I would have never guessed that that defense would give up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter. I would never guess that. Yeah. I think that's kind of where I'm like, you know, your gut of anger kind of leans a certain way. I mean, I hate to put this on the defense, but, you know, when you create five turnovers,

you got to win a football game. And it's kind of unbelievable that they have five turnovers and we're sitting here talking about the loss. It's a much different style of defensive performance than we've seen for this season long, right? This is only the second time in Nick Siriani's entire coaching career with the Eagles in which the Eagles have lost a game in which they won the turnover. battle. And that one was they just won by one against the Kansas City Chiefs in 2021. The win by, I mean, it's, it's technically three because of Ante Maddox fumbled it on the last play of the game. It's really four. It's a five to one turnover battle. So I found this. And yet they gave up so many deep plays, which we haven't seen all season. This was nine years ago. So obviously

this is the most I could find in my quick crack research. Teams that have five turnovers, all time had only lost out of 1500 games, about 185 of them. So it's a very very, very, very, very rare thing to have five turnovers and lose the year. It's why it's like everybody does share a part of it because when you get five turnovers even if you're giving up big plays that should be enough on defense. Five turnovers and you score in the 30s? Right. And you need to win that.

The offense didn't carry its load off of those turnovers and yet the defense didn't also give up a bunch of big plays that they haven't done all season. And special teams wasn't great either in this game. Yeah, kickoff return, kickoff coverage especially was put them put them bunch of short fields. Especially at the end. I mean

you instead of getting a touch back and they get them all in the 30 you're starting at the 47 you gifted them basically an extra first down an extra series of downs there by poor kickoff coverage so where does the Zach Vernon blame for Crowder go is he get a hand I mean Zach's gonna be peacocking all over this post game show he has a pretty big hand in himself you've played with James and Crowder right yeah just okay he's got the game when he touched it you know yeah but two touchdowns I'm I'm I'm curious to see which what you like once the film come out and the will you

put it out. I was curious to see if that's what was wrong. What was wrong? Where CJ's supposed to be, you know, you know, we're not expecting him to get thrown out that game. Yeah.

And CJ was bowling. You know what I mean? So it just, it took advantage of our wounds. Yeah, I'm curious, like, I couldn't pinpoint it watching live what went so wrong there

and what made Jaden Daniels have such a spectacular day. But something felt off. Yeah, I mean, so there's the long completion to Diami Brown, past Dari. Slay, who I thought otherwise had a very good game.

Who did have a good game? Your boy, Quignon Mitchell gives up a deep touchdown to Terry McLauron sort of gets turned around there, and then some of those open field plays from Jay and Daniels. But I mean, the Eagles defense, I mean, they also forced a turnover on downs on the first possession of the game. It's very weird. Getting the ball back to the offense

six times, that should be good enough. Now, this was a game with a lot of possessions. Sure. So it's a little bit different. But you know, when you score 21 points in the first half, or the first quarter, and then 12 points the rest of the game for the offense. You just, you need, you need more.

Yeah. How does this change your, your Jalen Hertz opinion at all? I appreciate him a whole lot more. Because even when he's not having his best days or maybe he's slow to get rid of the ball, he's always accurate. And there was a couple balls today. Like the one over by the sideline, I think it was to AJ,

was inside too much. You got a few of those. You're right. Yeah, like he just wasn't putting the, there was a couple. And to his credit, the one pass that was dropped in the end zone was money. from Kenny, but for the most part, like, I noticed the accuracy the most. Like, Jalen puts the ball in really accurate spots. And I think a couple times today that bit Kenny where you're smiling out, Fran.

I think because I've already gotten like multiple text messages. I've seen it in the chat. I saw it in the chat on the, uh, on the watch along as well, like basically saying like, oh, like all the Jalen, Hey, the Jalen hurts hate, like, oh, that's got to stop. There's like, it can be somewhere in the middle where, yeah, Jalen is not, or Jalen is not as bad as Kenny Pickett. And so we, therefore, he's divorced. of all criticism.

You could say, like, it's okay to say, like, he needs to play better while also saying, yeah, like, can he pick his back of quarterback? I will say this. I will say this. The office look a little rather when I'm out on the field. Yeah. I mean, I just think, like, when he was some protection issues, just setting it up. The air got sucking out of there is when he, when he wasn't there.

You know, he comes everybody there. I think the demeanor that we see post-game. Yeah. That's who he is. And that's how the team is, like, longs. There is something. You feel me? It's like, every level was.

like that but I thought today was just like... And it was when Seekwon started getting like shut down that I think that uneasiness started to kind of ramp up a little bit more because, you know, Fran said it in the watch long. They sold out to stop the run and they were getting in that backfield quick. I mean, this would be the devil's advocate argument against Sequin Barclay as an MVP candidate. Like, would you have felt better in this game if Kenny Gainwell was playing running back

next to Sequin Barclay than if it was Seqwan Barkley with Kenny Pickley and you saw after that first quarter how much he got shut down? Yeah, but to the point about like the calmness, I do think like, look, get doll hands in there. But I also think in the second half, every time they ran counter, it was successful. Three to four yards or more. Anything outside of that, it was like, you know what I mean? So.

Fran, what did you make of like just the way that they were calling this game once it became clear? It was the Kenny Pickett show. Yeah, I mean, I do want to go back and kind of look at the film and see what they were seeing. But, you know, when we talked about it at halftime, it was all right. what are the adjustments they have to make offensively? And to me, it was you still have to come out and try and throw the ball because you knew that they were to come out and try and sell it. Yeah, they did. They did. And they came out. And that's when we saw, what was it,

two straight plays for A.J. Brown drawing PI. And there was like three of the next, three and then over the first two drives. There is some hidden yardage there. And yeah, and pick it in and AJ Brown's favor. So, you know, you had to come out and show that you were willing to throw the football. You're willing to take advantage of those one-on-one matchups. But too often, and we, we talk, even referencing back to week 11 when these two teams played. Washington gave that offensive line fits up front because of some of the things they did from a slanting standpoint, especially against their zone run schemes where they were, you know,

Sequon couldn't really get going until the latter stages of that game. Remember, that's the game where they hit on a couple of those trap plays, those WAM plays in the fourth quarter, and then the dam broke. And that's when you saw Seekwan go up the middle for, you know, 40 yards in a touchdown and then come back on the next drive and go 60 yards for a touchdown. It was honestly the opposite of this game where all of his yardage came in the first. quarter. In that one, everything happened late. But for the most part, I mean, over, we'll say six out of eight quarters, this Washington defensive line has really given the Eagles

offensive line fits from a run game standpoint and really force them to try and win through the air. You also see even more the disparity of how funneled this offense gets when you had Kenny Pickett at quarterback. I mean, the Eagles had 25 targeted passes in this game. 23 of them were to AJ Brown and Devonte Smith. And there's one for Kenny Gainwell, one for Sequin Barclay. I was just thinking they just don't throw to the other guys. The commanders threw to at least five guys, if not possibly six. Like they spread the ball around. They had nine guys. Yeah, right. Nine guys. Eight of them get a catch. Yeah. I mean, Crowder, Brown, McLaurin, uh, Zach's boy Crowder, but the Eagles. Yeah. John Bates, don't forget.

You know, yeah. I saw people saying that, you know, the Eagles should grab Deontay Johnson. And while like part of me agrees with that, just to get some talent in here for depth, why? Like they don't throw to anybody outside of AJ or Devante. So like is it even worth it? That guy's been on three teams in eight months. Yeah, you probably tell you something. But like to the point, they don't throw to anybody. Maybe like Odell and somebody, you know.

Yeah. They don't throw to anybody else. Yeah. I mean, your boy, Grand Capitara, you know, like he wasn't even. Look targeted. Yeah. That's kind of a little bit of a problem. Yeah, I think it is an issue.

I think you would think you could scheme something up. Yeah. I think one thing we've seen from this offense this year, and even going back, I feel like we said the same things last year as well, was if a guy got lost mid-game or late in the week in practice, remember when AJ Brown got hurt earlier this year late in the week, the outfit just came out and it was kind of like out of sorts. It was like they need that full week of a jar.

Like this is what the game plan is going to be. But if it happened either mid-game or late in the practice week, that that's where, you know, the office just came out and didn't have those answers. Yeah, I believe that if they come out next week and Jalen is out, that if they have the full week of game planning for Kenny Pickett, I would imagine we would see a better game plan. Yep, I agree. I think there's something to that.

But once again, you'll drop the two balls, there's a different conversation here. We're talking about how Kenny came in and won the game. Sure. You know, so I just don't think that, I don't know what you just want to make it be clear. Sometimes you just get weird games, you know? I mean, like they lost.

This is a weird game. They lost, obviously Jalen Hertz. They lose Josh Sweat for most of this game. Then he comes back at the end. T.J. Garner Johnson gets thrown out. some of the penalty some of the penalty calls and some of the non-penalty calls.

Yeah, I mean, sometimes you just get weird games. But that's why it's difficult to go 15 and 2. This is, you go get your back, Washington. God damn. I mean, I think the good news is we're going to see this game again probably. Sounds like good. I think that's not happening.

I think the Eagles should feel good about that. Yeah, they should. That defensive performance is not happening again. No. I mean, hat tip to Jay. in Daniels he was pretty spectacular today and yeah it's also I mean it's fair to say that if you just think about like the Eagles chances to win the Super Bowl there's obviously such a huge difference between the two seed and the one seed this game today this very weird game and

if I'm gonna go a long way and yeah and if I'm feeling I'm never watching this state it just move past this I'm not flush it keep it pushing even though you might have to play this team again wait wait to rewatch it the week of that game no no but yeah but now that now Washington defense had to readjust their original game plan. Yeah. You get what I'm saying to you? Right, so you think it's not a, what doesn't matter. No, man.

No. Yeah. Once they, once Washington got on the road, the game change, the game plan changes it for them. You know what I mean? But at the same time, I don't want the Eagles or the players to walk around with their head down, let this hang over. You know what I'm saying? That's not let this hangover. Let's take a deep breath.

Let's just get ready for next week's game. and then game plan the way we know how to game plan because like I said, the first quarter, jelly doesn't go down. This is a slaughterhouse. Yeah. This is, we high-fiving right now. You're giving us a say-wan.

We're going to say-wa. We're doing all that. But, you know, I just like, this is one of those games right here, man. None of us all is coming. No. Not even as close. This is crazy.

And I don't feel like as terrible as I probably should. You know what I mean? Like, this is a loss where, you just kind of go, all right. You know, I don't know if it's people like, you know, he'll be like, I don't like this loss, you know? So that's a lot coming from. So you're talking to say, yeah, say where I feel.

Yeah, like I just went, like as soon as Jaylen left, anything was on the table. And then, you know, they get five turnovers, not when the game is weird and all. And the defense didn't look like they have for, you know, the past 10 weeks. And I'll be honest, they missed that, uh, false start. Huge false start.

Yeah, there were a lot of, a lot of calls. Shading. Shading. kind of day. Either way. From the zebras. Yeah. Both ways. Yeah. There was some bad.

It was bad calls all around. To pick up the flag on what could have been the roughing on picket, I thought was. I actually thought that was, he missed his head, like on the replay. But he did hit him. We hit him with his elbow. But even that, like, the guy's, the one who calls it is right in front of him. It's rare to see a flag picked up there. That was crazy.

You know, there's their, AJ who's got his hand on the inside of the jersey on the PI, which was. But this isn't a loss, like, I wake up Monday morning and go, like, ah, you know, that really bothers me. So what would be, Fran, the things from this game that do bother you moving forward? I think they're going to have to look at the run game and see, was it the same issues that plagued them back in week 11? Was it just, hey, they had more bodies than us in the box and we just couldn't block it up. Was there a specific matchup that was giving them problems? Was it Duran Payne or whoever, insert player here that gave them problems? That's something that they will probably try and

glean from the tape. You know, from the past game standpoint, it's just going to be like you had a couple of those missed opportunities and you had your backup quarterback in. Defensively, I think there's plenty that they're going to be looking at and saying, okay, like, we've got to get this corrected. We talked in the half time, the, the deep ball that Quinnion Mitchell gave up to Terry McLaren. We have not seen that this year. What could he have done better from a technique standpoint? How could have, how could he have played to his help a little bit better on that final touchdown, you know, in empty? Yeah, what happened on that play. Yeah, well, so Washington came out and empty. And from what I'm seeing, it seems like, so like the route comes,

from the left side and McCollum is the right safety from the, from the offense's point of view. It looks like his eyes probably should have been going back to the other side, but I kind of want to watch it back, you know, from the All-22 to get a better sense of it. But, yeah, it just feels like in this game, there's a lot of like individual like reps where it's like,

ah, you know, the scramble where you had two mistackles, Nicoby-D, you know, you had all these individual plays just stack up. You had too many of them here in this game. Yeah, that, that fourth, and 11 scrambling. That was brutal. It was a killer. Really brutal one.

And you set it on the watch along. You would like to see a spy there. Yeah. Fourth and 11, they go empty. You've got to be aware of the scrambling possibility. And it's crazy because we get spoiled, man. What was that wrong? And Nicole Dink speed is just, like, they're closing speed is second and none.

So, you know, we kind of get a little spoilt. But, gee, like, say, like, the miss tackles. Like, it was, like, it was so many different key individual. performance that could have made this game a little different. So, Vinnie, I'm curious. CJGJ obviously gets the boot from the game for the unsportsman likes. How does that, how does Siriani, like, handle that? Because he said he likes that attitude that he brings to the defense.

And he likes that little bit of crazy. He went a little too far with the crazy today. Correct. How do you kind of manage that? Flush his game. Just flush his game. At the end of the day, he's going to be fined anyway. What else you need to say to the man?

You know, depending on how much the fine is, that's, you know what I mean? So it's going to be crazy. There's a good charity out there that's thinking of C-Jewishers. Us, Eagle fans, we're like, damn. It did seem like the commanders wanted to bring the chippiness, the physicality, to the game today, whether they either get under their skin or just part of the game plan, but they came with the chippiness to them today. All right, we are still waiting to hear from Nick Sirion. So let's take a little break and hear from our sponsor.

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Can he, can the listeners hear him or no? Okay. Okay, we're working on this out. Yeah, some interesting things for him to discuss. Hey, what, have been any, some complaints in the chat about the hit on Jalen that gave him the concussion? What did you think of that hit? I thought it was dirty. Yeah.

I mean, I've been, I've seen. I mean, you played in the league. No, no, no. I wasn't going to say is there's a hit that always stands out to, you know, me. The backside. As we're driving to beat Seattle to go for another Super Bowl and. Clowny. Clowny.

I mean? Yeah. Come on, man, the league. That right there should have been the ability. Mm-hmm. Especially he's already down. The guy diving down with his hair like that. is you know yeah and there was another one in the end zone there that was on that play

was almost a little helmet to helmet which on a j which they couldn't call which they didn't call yeah yeah he looked at the refter too she is you know like you're my man he just literally led led led with his head yeah then they called the ruffing on milton which was like that was as tickey tack a call as i ever like that was not and then jeline got called for the other one after the play that was technically a little late but it was like a little late but it was also it was an extended arm like push it wasn't anything the refs had a way to weird day. It was a weird day. Interpret that how you will. Super chat from Matthew Greenwood

says he's going to say it again. CJ Gardner Johnson gets ejected and we give up 22 points in one quarter. That ejection was the difference in the game. All right, we got Nick Seriani. I believe it was one point. You know, really good job by him on two fourth down conversions. Smitty made two big plays on that drive or made a big play

on the fourth down conversion. AJ made the other one where he was able to slip it, but Kenny was under control and you know, just some nice things to On kickoff, what's the planning kicks you were? No, you know, again, the weather right there. You can look at kind of what we've done in the past and where we've been on touchbacks and everything like that.

You know, the ball wasn't traveling quite as far today, and that's where we kicked him today. What was the nature of the interaction with Zach Ertz? It looked like he was pretty. When James Deerce left the game, it's obviously much more difficult to run the ball with second one. What were they doing differently? Were they just keying on him?

Yeah, hats off to Washington. They had a good plan, did some really good things, made it hard. You know, some muddy runs. You know, we were able to get some good yardage running the football, but it wasn't quite consistent enough for our standard. But they got good players. They got good coaches, and, you know, they give them credit today. To lose a starting quarterback is chaotic, to say the least,

look, how do you manage, like, accountability on the Monday after this? And, like, how much of that do you credit to the team as you're trying to get through a game in a situation? like this? Yeah, we'll go back to work regardless of who played in what situation and we'll, you know, everybody from myself to the coaches to the players will hold ourselves accountable. I think you heard Smitty talk to you guys

and, you know, him taking accountability. That's what gives you great hope in this team is that, you know, everyone wants to get better. Everyone wants to take accountability and get better from the things that they do. Accountability doesn't change, though, based off of your result,

right? That'd be a hypocrite. I did that so accountability for myself and for the team will be the same as if we were a win or a loss or ten wins in a row one loss five loss or whatever it is we're going to go back to work and we're going to do the same things we do and we're going to try to recreate our habits of what gets us in these scenarios in the first place the player picket shuffle with the ball forward it looks like he got hit on that play did you have to have a conversation with him about whether he could continue and do you think he's okay going forward well he went back in so you know tough I don't, like I said, I haven't talked to the medical staff yet, but he went back in and made some really big plays in that next couple drafts. What about adjusting on the fly when Kenny comes in?

I mean, because he's obviously a much different quarterback than Jaylin as far as being the plus one and everything. How, you know, what's that like as far as having a... Yeah, there's nothing we leave to something to do on the fly. I mean, there's a times you got to have to adjust different things, but we go into a game with a plan if that were to happen. we go into a game with a plan if both guys were to go down and Tanner would be in. That's just something you go through on your weekly process. So, you know, again, that's not something that's an on-the-fly thing. That's something that's been discussed all week.

Last one? How do you look back at that three-in-out there in the fourth quarter? The one before our drive when we were down. After Reed's Interception when, you know, 55-7. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, again, we were, We were, I think, the first play, we lost some yardage, then we completed one to AJ, and then we passed it to Smitty.

So I thought we were aggressive. I thought Kellan did a good job of calling it there being aggressive. You know, at the end of the day, they made one more play than we did on that. I didn't, you know, looking at that part, I'll have to go back and look at it and just our sequence there. I liked how we, you know, went about it to, you know, I think a lot of times you'll see teams maybe run, run, run there. You know, we were going to be aggressive. in those scenarios.

That's how we've been able to run a lot of the clocks out. We just didn't do it this time. All right. Thanks. Oh, have you sure. Sweet. Yeah, Zach got a question at the end. I'm sure we'll hear more about that. Hey, you know what play I didn't like,

if we're talking about it? We talked about it on the watch along. The third and goal, or I guess it was the third and three from the four, the Sequin Wildcat pass attempt thing. Yeah. I'll tell you why I didn't like it. Because they flex, can he pick it out? So it's a wildcat snap to Sequin, and he's rolling out, and it's clear then that he's a potential

thrower. And the fact that he is a wildcat player puts the defense on alert that he could be potentially throwing a pass, whereas if you want to run that same play, but it's a handoff from Kenny Pickett, I feel like it would catch the defense more off guard, and that leads to a short field goal. And obviously, you know, difference between three and seven is huge. I didn't like the design of that play. Yeah, it looked like it wanted to be. one of those old school Tim Tebow jump passes.

You're hoping that DeVante just breaks free to the corner after faking a block. But there's got to be a couple, at least two options, right? But there wasn't. They haven't run a single Sequin Wildcat snap all year long. And so, like, of course they're going to be on alert about that. I don't know. Gadget plays, you typically only have one option, especially if you have a non-QB thrower, like Seqon Barker's not going to go back there, like going through progressions or anything.

like you know at the point I made to the watch long was like Philly Special had one option you know maybe something like the price of playing like call those the same but it's as a short it was like it was it was either not sneaky enough or too sneaky it was right I don't know just this one thing that's on my mind um yeah the defense obviously this was not their best game aside from the turnovers now you force five turnovers that should be enough they like you should you should get it done it's kind of unbelievable but like do you Is there any concern that this is like the attrition of all the snaps that those defensive linemen are playing or

You know those guys getting banged up what did you what did you see from the D line? I'm just I mean I thought throughout the game up the first three quarters they did good You know I thought it was a very well I'm just talking about that last quarter Yeah, you know even you know those five like I said the five takeaways is enough to win the football game You know but this is one of those like you said you know where games where That didn't get it done but then we also gave up 22 points in the fourth quarter so it was kind of like now somebody that we should circle back to that super chat that put a lot of that on the absence of cj garner johnson now to be fair cedegarne johnson probably at fault for that first touchdown pass from yeah it looked like it's

which was a little bit similar but obviously he brings a lot to that defense um and when you go to trista mccallum it looked it did look a little bit different yeah i i'm going through the uh the dots uh from uh from next gen love the dots yeah so just like the dots it honestly like It looks like that was probably just a really good route concept against the coverage. You know, where they basically did a kind of in-and-out type of route combination against both Reed Blanketship and Zach Bonn. And basically it was like a high-low read for Jaden Daniels. So it was a well-orchestrated play.

We'll see what the film actually looks like. But just based off the dots, like I almost that almost looks like a tip of the cat play for the offense. Jamie, what's the, what's the mood of the chat? The mood of the chat is there was a lot. lot of infighting earlier. A couple comments about all you Hertz haters, is this what you all wanted? Sure.

Yeah. That's ridiculous. No, nobody ever wanted Kenny Pickett. No. Not one person. I should say not one person, but like no one was saying like Jalen Hurts should be bench for putting Kenny Pickett. Yeah.

I saw one comment said C.J.G.J. is losing his fastball. He's supposed to get the opponent kicked out. Not himself kicked out. just just overall i mean the first one was crazy that that he says something gets smoked in the face and his helmet comes off and the ref gives him the head referee right away but he must have said something you asked for it you know he must have said something pretty vile what is that like viny what like uh you know how nasty do those conversations get oh it get real nasty you know um who's the meanest player you ever played against oh i don't know because you know i think

Brandon Graham No No no no I think Outside of the ball on defense You say some real Very very disrespectful stuff

And I don't know I want to say There's no It means It's only person that I always Phillip Rivers talk a lot Really

Really? Yeah Philo Rivers talk a lot Interesting He talk a lot He talk a lot And believe it in all time But he talk a lot

Okay Yeah. I saw some clips of Josh Allen talking a pretty good game the other day. He talks a lot too. Josh Allen talk a lot too, but I remember I was playing Josh Allen. Like the last time we got the plate on was in Buffalo was like kind of flurried.

And we washed him up. So he was kind of quiet. Now are they like Rivers and Brady? Are they like telling you that you suck? Is it like is it personal? What kind of thing? No, no. No, no. Brady, he's just firing and talking.

Okay. But, for the Rivers, he talked. He talked. Boy, you were like, damn. Like, oh, I'm like, oh, I? You know what I mean? And then you wave, like, it'd be on the, his be borderline. Like, yo, I dare you to step out that line what you want to say.

You know what I mean? He's like, what I know. He's like, hey, man, do, good trash talking. And then you get you like the Andrew Luxe of the world. They, like, get hit. Good job, man. Oh, nice hit, 75. Hell of a tackle.

You know, the guys that, like, love football so much that they respect. the defensive players. Brand for you, Chris McPherson. Oh, he's up there. Yeah, right. Chuck, it's Maxie. And then when you start thinking about this, I'm just, I'm just going to do that.

You know, the CJ play in my head. That might be the first time a football player got thrown out from four words. It's a rare thing. Words, bro, though? Like, you got to say the NBA where you can throw a tech on somebody or something like that. That's, if you watch the sequence of this game, like, yo, we didn't

the rest really helped them I'm not going to say that yeah listen we still give up five freaking touchdowns and three in the fourth quarter but at the same time we still look at the superiors of it like they pick up the personal file

got tossed from just talking the false start wasn't called there's so many sequence of things so many it's like a western thing they hit on Jordan Davis too is kind of like a little questionably low can he picket yeah that just yeah like that

I don't care what y'all say. Once you throw that ball, you're saying court, you can't, you know, there's no defense attorney, you know what you're doing? Yeah,

what do you have to say to get out for work? I wasn't mad at a couple minutes ago. Now I'm starting to get mad. Damn, man. I mean, sticks and stones, right? Like, you should,

what is there like six key words? Is this George Carlin in the episode? Is this pop on? What's he saying out there? He's getting punched in the face and he's getting it. That's some vile stuff he must be said.

It's part of, part of his allure is he gets people riled now i really want to know what he said yeah got uh somebody somewhere has it miced up and they know but they're not going to release that no that that that tape's not going out yeah um got some sayquan next gen numbers okay all right after starting the game with 109 rushing yards and two touchdowns on his first seven carries barkley finished by gaining just 41 yards on the final 22 uh barclay gained 99 of those 109 rushing yards before contact on those first seven carries So 99 yards before contact in the first quarter was not hit behind the line of scrimmage one time.

After the first quarter, Barclay had minus four rushing yards before contact was hit behind the line of scrimmage 13 times. Wow. Just near just about 60% of his carries. Commander started the game by utilizing single high safety shells on just three of 12 plays, but adjusted after Jalen Hertz exited the game, aligning in a single high shell on 40 of the final 59 plays

67%. So they basically rolled that extra safety down, loaded up the box. Barkley gained just 28 yards and had just two successful runs on his 18 carries against single high safety shells compared to 117 yards and five successful runs on the nine carries against two high safety looks. So yeah, Jayloritz got hurt. They loaded up the box, completely load up, sell the run. And the Eagles had no answers. He was getting hit at the line of scourge, behind the line of scrimmage on nearly every carry, two-thirds of his carries, couldn't get anything going on the ground. So the numbers matched up with the eye test there.

So it sounds like that the commander say, hey, we're going to load the box out. Can you pick and just drop back? You'll see you'll beat us. Yep. That's what I would have done. Yeah. Here's what,

here's what Zach is going to talk to us about. Okay. Well, one of the things. Eagles on third down in this game. Terrible. Three of 13. Three of 16. Oh.

That stinks. And those were there were a lot of those plays where it's like third and medium long. It's like seven, eight, six. Because of the lack of run game success. And they're just, well, and they're just not trust in Kenny Pickett to throw them all. Like there are three or four of them. They're just, they're just give up Coward's draws.

Like, that's the, you've got to trust your quarterback. Yeah. I don't know. And also, it's not, that's the thing, too, is like, it's not just like trust Kenny Pickett.

If you're the, like, what you're saying, it's trust A.J. Brown, trust Devante Smith. Like, trust those guys to make a play for you.

You know what would really give me the chills right now, going back and looking at the value they gave up for Kenny Pickett and And oof. Yeah, it's a third round pick and a fourth round pick. Oof. That hurts. What did you think, Fran, of the way that they handled the end of the first half? So it's like third and medium.

Right. Oh, it's third and one. And they, with like 50 seconds left. And they handed off to Sakel and Barclay, he gets crushed in the backfield. Yep. Loss of two. Commanders don't call a time out. Eagles don't call a time out.

They let it run down to like 11 seconds left. Yeah, you called this. Yep. And then call time out after trying to, you know, They get the Nick play to try drama off sides doesn't happen. And so they go for it on fourth down 11 seconds left and they convert, but only enough to make it a 56 yard field goal for Jake L8 who misses short. Yeah.

Honestly, like my biggest takeaway from that sequence was they played for that sequence. Like they called a play to only pick up four yards. Like that was not to, our let's even get a chunk and make this 30 yarder. To me that was, oh, Nick actually does have faith in Jake Elliott. Like that's what that to me, that's what that spoke of. He has more faith

than Jake Elliott hitting a 56 yarder than he did in the past game, getting a chunk play to get them in closer range. That's what, that was my takeaway. I didn't mind

not taking the time out because it's possible like it with too much time left if you go for it and don't get it. You're giving them up a field goal. I thought that was okay. But I thought if you do that, you got to go for like 10 yards,

make it a 50 yard field goal. It's just, they didn't go for enough there. Yeah. That's one where like I said it live. Yeah. And that's one we're watching, you know, I'll wait to see all the film.

It looked like that was within rhythm. Like that's what they wanted. They ran a clear out route on the outside and they ran Devante Smith into the void with a quick out route. And Kenny hit him in rhythm. So to me, that's a look like that's what the design was. And so like they look at that like, all right, like good job. And so that's what they were playing for. 10 air yards for Kenny Pickett would take like what,

seven point eight seconds, almost eight seconds. So maybe the game clock was against them there, Bo. Yeah, that's a fair point. You know. Yeah, that's a fair point. Real time, that's, that's taking a long time to get there. Yeah, that's fair. I wish we would have seen Kenny run a little bit more.

That one scrimble we had was sick. I thought that was. Somebody in the chat said he's getting x-rays on his race. To his left. Kenny's getting x-rays on his ribs. Remember on that one and came up? He was kind of like, flexing the wrist one.

It was a perfect time to put Tanner McKee in. I want to see Tanner McKee. I do. I believe that the offense would function better, but that is just based on having watching. it all summer he was hurt he's getting x-rays you had an opportunity for yeah if you again if you pull picket if you pull picket and put in the key then that means that picket can't go back into the game right at all so that yeah what's the problem if pick it was if mackie twist an ankle then you're

you're running the saiquan uh trick johan dots and do something somebody yeah yeah i'll take those chances i mean there would be like if you if they could then win the game with just Sequin as the Wildcat current back, then he probably does get MVP. See?

It's like a win-win. There you go. Except we get a lost I lose. You win until you lose. He's not coming to the point of you. Probably not.

Yeah, it's a good point. Good point. All right, let's run through the other super chats as we wait to hear from Zach Berman. Let's see what we got here. Claude de Boussay. Worst Offensive Line game

in recent memory, Fran. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't a good, it wasn't a good one. You know, there was the one sack where so the band, like, you can't have that sack. They just got into field goal range and it was a minus six. I didn't look at that. Like, yeah, he stepped up and like ran into it, but there was there was legitimate pressure there. You know, that was not the person coming versus anybody in particular. If I remember right, one who gave up that pressure on that one, where he had somebody coming up in his face.

And then when Pickett stepped up, the end came off of Lane Johnson and was able to. And then when you talk about the things that the, that the, that, Washington defensive line was doing up front to halt the running game. Who do we have? Oh, we got Zah. All right, we'll talk about it. We'll bring Zach in a sec. That stuff on the defensive line, is that an offensive line adjustment that needs to be made?

Yeah. So in the first game, it was a lot of like slanting against their zone run schemes. And, you know, Vinny, you know, like when you're running inside zone and outside zone over and over again, it's very assignment-oriented and timing and timing and rhythm-based for the offensive line. And so when you're slanting and twisting up front, that can throw off, you know,

who's got who, you know, had to snap of the ball. And that was the issue in that Thursday night game, I kind of want to go back and watch and see if that's what the issue was. It didn't feel like that's what it was. So that second half, I felt like they did a lot of run stunts.

Yeah. That's why it's getting the back feel so quick. And it's just like, if you don't office a line, you're sitting there like, you know they're coming, but you can't cheat, you can't even move down,

you know, to the player started. But if that kid, the player is just quicker than you at the time, and it's like, damn, man. So then why don't defensive lines

do that all the time? Because you have a quarterback and you throw the ball. You do that to him out there. I'm out of, now you see me, now you don't type of thing. That's why you have to play him honest.

You know, without him back there, if they game playing in that second half, like, for him saying is that, Hey, we want to see, we're going to do everything in our power to stop Sequo Barkley. Kenny, you're going to have to step back and throw the ball on us to beat us. And when you load the box, if you bring that safety down, in theory, Jalen Hertz levels the box count back in the offense's favor because he's a viable runner.

So if you're not using the quarterback as that runner, you are truly down one in the box. Because when teams go to do that, that's when you get the QB draws and you get the QB counters and you get all those things to basically say, okay, uh that this gives us a number back in our favor you remove that and that this is what you get then that means that if they're going to do that the numbers are in your favor in the passing game and you got a trust that's why you have to make those throws like think about it if jail is there there's no jump pass it's the push too tall two players yeah yeah i think in the low red zone that made a big difference yeah yeah i mean look the eagles defense got killed by jaden daniel's legs you know hurts his mobility was was was a loss asset sure eagles in a huge way yeah

a 22-yarder and he had a 13-yarder we got hurt on. Those were blaze of the game for them. Yeah. All right. Let's head to Landover, Maryland. Zach Berman, who must be peacocking over the Jameson Crowder emergence. How you're doing an eventful game, Zach? Give us your perspective on it.

Walked into that locker room, it was quiet as could be. You could hear a pin drop. This was a team that felt a loss, right? They haven't lost in a long time, obviously. And yeah, this was a game that got away from them. There was obvious, there was a lot of places to lament here. Frankly, it was all sides of the ball. And you can look at defense. They forced five turnovers, but they can't get off to feel late. There were some communication errors, obviously. You saw that in particular on the Zakaia's touchdown.

Spoke to Darius Lay about that. The offense couldn't close late in the game. You know, they had the three and out after reed blanket chips interception. They settle for field goals a few times. Then special teams, the short kicks really hurt them, giving Washington short field. So all three phases had a role in this loss. That said, you look at the points they scored. You look at five takeaways.

You should win this game. And I know that there's Eagles fans who are probably saying that they've lost three games this year. One of those losses, Selein Barclay drops a pass that. would help seal the game. Devante Smith drops a pass that helps steal the game. Devante was by his locker ready, took all the, you know, said, that's on, you know, say he dropped

the ball. There's no excuses, nothing more to be said than that. He dropped the ball. And look, he needs to make that catch. And Devante would tell you that. But they're across the board here, the Eagles had multiple opportunities to win this game and multiple opportunities not to lose this game. And I think those two things are, you can win it, and then you cannot lose it.

and they failed them in both those areas. There was a lot, you know, there was responsibility taken after the game. Players, you know, Jordan Milaata said he doesn't give a bleep about the number one seed. Like that's not what he's focused on. It's that there was a game that left him frustrated. That three and out that I mentioned after the Reblankship's interception, and Jordan Milata was lamenting the first downplay. There was a miscommunication, you know,

and it's part of Kenny Pickett being in there. There's a cadence that they're working on. And you did hear that. And then obviously I've gone this opening soliloquy or monologue here, and I didn't even mention, you know, the elephant in the river, which is, you know, Jalen hurts, gets that concussion, affects them significantly. Stalled Jalen in the locker and was wearing sunglasses.

Now Jalen, always, you know, often wear sunglasses, so I don't know if it was a style thing or concussion thing. He was walking around, didn't seem like problematic, but I can tell you, I don't know how much the TV footage showed. Being here in the stadium, it was stunning to me that he was, that he tested positive for a concussion or that he had the concussion because he didn't want to come off the field. He, they had to get him to come off the field.

He went back to the huddle. And then even when he went into the concussion, when he went into the blue tent, he goes back to the sideline, puts his helmet on, and he's getting ready to go back in the game. And, you know, the training staff had to call him back. And then when he went to the locker room, he didn't like strut there. You know, usually jailed on struts. Like, he jogged. He was the first one there.

I'm not a doctor, but you would see these things. And you would say, this guy doesn't look concussed, but clearly didn't, you know, pass the concussion test. and Kenny Pickett did solid, but they missed him. I heard before you guys came on, they were plays in that game that Jalen makes and throws that he makes. And, yeah, I do think they missed Jellon tonight. Amy, he went to the same medical school you did. Yeah, Zach, I called.

I said, no way he's leaving the game. That didn't look that bad. Yeah, and, you know. That's interesting color, though. That's very interesting. Sure. Yeah, because I was ready to put out, you know, Because it was actually similar to that last Washington game, by the way.

Actually, interestingly, that last Washington game, the Thursday night game, I thought Jalen looked more dinged up then than he did today. And he passed that concussion test. So look, I mean. There's a conspiracy theory in the chat, Zach, that this is the league getting back at Jalen Hertz for wearing two colored shoes again. Yeah. No, I don't believe it's that.

I think, I think. Now the league is cut you off and I'll be happy to answer this question. For all the. Rogers behind all. No, I think all the, I think all the, I think all the brand Jordans, can you hear me? I think all the brand Jordan stuff they would like with all the, with the cleats. No, in Jalen's case, it was, I think it's good that the league does this. It's good that there's the checks of balances in place for a player can't say,

he's not concussed, you go to the sideline concussions are a serious thing. I was just surprised given the sequence of events that it was ruled that he did have a concussion. So the Kenny Pickett of this, Zach, what was the reaction to him, his performance, and the way that they called the game on offense, what was the reaction in the locker room? Yeah, you know, players were commending Kenny for the job that he did. You know, AJ was pretty honest. AJ was like, they were just rolling the dice out there. They don't get a lot of work with Kenny in practice.

Like it's not like, you know, he said he's been practicing with, with G Allen for three years. He barely plays with Kenny Pickett, right? And so it happens on the fly. They're kind of rolling the dice. Sequin was saying how you really, and AJ said this too, that you really saw Washington sell out against the run when Pickett went in there. And it was like, don't let Seekwan beat you.

and there were plays to be made. Now, Sequin was lamenting the drop pass he had, which I actually thought Kenny need to put that in a better spot. My view, I haven't watched the tape back. But Sequin said he tried to double catch it there, and he can't have that drop. You know, he said Bobby Wagner was in good coverage, but he says he needs to make that play.

Yeah, I mean, the AJ, AJ said Marshawn Ladomor, you know, who has a lot of respect. sports that he a marshal latimer would have fouled out in a basketball game right um because but um yeah but uh but no the you know a j was trying to make play a j was making plays out out out there it was really it was the devante catch that sticks with them or the devante drop i should say the sequan drop and then there were there were you know miscommunications if you will with with kenny just just cadence things that they're working out uh and then there was some calls late in the game and And by the way, I've talked about all this, and I didn't even mention C.J. Gardner Johnson.

So there's so many storylines in this game here. But the Kenny Pickett of it all, yeah, Kenny, I mean, Kenny did fine. I don't think Kenny made enough winning plays there. But I don't think he was egregious. I think he kind of settled in in the second half. The interception was bad, right? he got a, you know, he was fortunate that the fumble was ruled incompletion. It was unfortunate that the flag was picked up when he scrambled.

That would have been a key first down when he, when I thought that hit was late enough after the slide that I was surprised I picked up the flag. But I'm curious when I drive home tonight to listen to the postgame show to see what you guys said about Kenny's performance because I thought he was fine. I know there's a lot of, I was getting text during the game and he'd think McKee would have been better. I thought McKee was better this summer, but

I thought there were things that that Pickett managed well. He was able to move decently. Zach, I'll say it. But they were missing plus one element in the front game. I thought he stunk. Yeah. Okay. He thought he stunk. Okay. I mean,

uh, yeah, look, I'll defer to you guys and I'll I'll watch the game back. I didn't think he was like, I'm the harshest of the field. I didn't think it was horrible. Look, he, it was what? It was, it was 14.

It was 14 nothing. Put up 12 points in three quarters and he was spotted five turnovers. Yeah. No, that's fair. He put it more than 12 points. Didn't he? No, it's four field goals. I am with you, Zach.

I thought he, he threw a touchdown. He threw a touchdown. Okay. to AJ. Okay. The offense got 12 points. He threw a touchdown on the opening drive in the first quarter, yes, and his first

drive. Yeah. Zach, have you ever covered a defense had five turnovers and they lost? I can't remember one. I mean, I'll look it up. Usually five turnovers, you're pretty money. Now you look at turnover differential and yeah, I mean, they settle for too many field goals overall tonight, which is on, which is on Kenny, but the defense had multiple chances to

to get off the field late. And those two late touchdowns, there's, the Zikaas one and the Crowder one, those weren't excusable on the defenses on the defensive end. You know, they gave up a big fourth down scramble the Jaden Daniels at one point, too. So, yeah,

the blame goes all around. I'll say regarding the defense, Darius Lay said on the Zakeas touchdown that there was, he he should have notified he notified one position coach that he was ready to go back in the game. He didn't

notify the other one. There was a miscommunication with Ringo and him. And that was, you know, they had the 12 men on the field, but it was, they had one guy left uncovered because of that miscommunication. And that was the problem there. It was Slay substituting back onto the field and the miscommunication with it. Do you have any understanding of what happened with C.J. Gardner Johnson, why he was kicked out of the game?

There's, I see through this glass right now, they're handing out a poll report. The Washington media got the poll report on it. I will get a better explanation than. I believe, I tried asking people in the locker room, Slay said he didn't even know what happened. He thought Gardner Johnson got hurt or something to be going off. My guess, and I think Dean Blandino said this on the telecast, was that it was something that CJ might just said.

I didn't see, I didn't see CJ punch anyone or anything like that. So my guess, you know, knowing CJ is that he probably said something with an earshot that caused the unsportsman-line family. I don't know. I know the telcast didn't catch this, although you probably saw it on social media. CJ was steamed coming off the field, walks off, gives the double bird to the crowd. Oh. What?

We didn't see that. No, I didn't see that. Yeah. Yeah. Two fingers that, yeah, two middle fingers up, you know. At that Washington crowd. At that Washington crowd. So it was, what's that?

The Philadelphia. or they thought I'll feel goodbye, whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But look, the pool report beyond C.J. Gardner Johnson.

I'm curious why they picked up the flag on the picket one. That was. Oh, I don't believe. I don't believe that that one came up. I will see on the pool report in a minute. No, I think it was the C.J. Gardner Johnson ejection. And by the way, they missed CJ, man. I mean, I like Tristan McCollum, but I thought he struggled in there.

And I thought it wasn't a coincidence to me that those two touchdowns came late when CJ wasn't on the field. And CJ has to do a better job than that, you know. And you've seen this. This is something that Nick's going to have to address. And I know I wrote in my story this week about Jalen Carter that the coaches like seeing the fire and that passion. And you'd rather that than someone who's not passionate. The flip side is you can't be giving teams free yards. and you can't be getting ejected from games.

So whether it's agree, it's agreeable or disagreeable to call, the bottom line is they give you two personal, you know, they give you two sports, two on sportsmen like penalties. If you get two of them, it hurts your team when you're not in there. And that's, that's,

I'm all for intensity and emotion, but there's a degree of professionalism required here. You've got to be on the field, right? You can't get ejected from a game like that. And they missed him. And I think that's, that needs to come up in the meetings this week from Siriani because John Carter came close last week.

You know, Jayon Carter had a penalty that Eagles were fortunate didn't cost them last week. And then CJ gets thrown out of the game tonight. It costs them. I understand you have emotional players, but this needs to be addressed because you don't want that happening in the playoffs.

Zach, I'm curious in the locker room. one of the interesting, maybe the most interesting takeaway from this game is that everything now sets up pretty clearly that these two teams are going to play again in three weeks in Philadelphia. How aware were the players in locker room of that possibility? That's a great point, Bo. I wasn't aware of that until you just said that.

I heard it was interesting. Bob Brookover from NJ.com was asking Cam Juergens, like, do you want to see these guys again? Because it seems like they were pretty emotional. you know, pretty intense about playing you. And I was, I was curious, like, is this, is this because of the rivalry? That explains it.

That didn't, you know, Cam Juergens was, was like, I'm just thinking about the Cowboys, man. And then the same thing, you know, and Carter, when he was talking about the play, there were more questions about the one seed, not having the one seat. And it's like, yeah, we're just, we're just focused on the Cowboys.

You know, it's next week. We're not thinking about the playoffs yet. That did not come up. But that is, that is an interesting development. That is, that is not one. that I thought about. So it's setting up for that to be the case, the two seven game.

For the two seed, all the Eagles need to do is either win one more game or have the commanders lose one more game and they'll be the two seed, presuming that they can't catch Detroit or Minnesota for the one, which is extremely unlikely at this point.

And then for the seven, right now, Washington is a half game behind Green Bay. So it's possible that they could catch Green Bay for the six, but it's, I think, most likely that it's going to be Washington going to Philadelphia in three weeks.

Wow, that's fascinating. I would much rather Washington than Green Bay, to be honest with you. Oh, definitely, too. Yeah, I mean, I think the Eagles can beat this team. Yeah, I give Washington credit. Jaden Daniels, man, he made some money plays. I think the Eagles can beat this team. Hey, Zach, we were talking about before you came on,

was this the last regular season game we've seen Jalen playing, waiting before the playoffs? Because you're being concussed. Does he miss the next week's game and then the following game? Great question, Vinny. I don't think so. I think he's back. No, I understand people say it's hard to get back in one week with a concussion.

Sidney Brown was back this week. Zach Gertz was back this week. Your old trainer, Rick Berkholder, once said to me, Vinny, that, or not that they said to the media, when you see one concussion, you've seen one concussion, meaning like, they're all different. And so I don't want to diagnose jamlin with a mild concussion. But I think, I don't anticipate, look, I don't know this. I don't think it'll be like a three-week concussion. And I think that if he misses next week, my guess is they would try to get him at least

some work in week 18, just to get him on the field, get him in rhythm. that would be my guess because I understand they were playing for something back in 2022 but if you look at 2020 as precedent I think the I know the Eagles

saw value in jail and getting that final game that season and just like seeing that he could play with that injury now the shoulder injury that year is a lot different than a concussion I get that right but I don't think

that they would go two plus weeks cold without jailant. But it's a good question. And it's one, I didn't think about that until you brought it up. Hey, Zach, how impressive was Jaden Daniels today from your vantage point? Yes. So, I mean, so impressive in both the physical ability, but like managing the game too. And I say that because I don't mean to echo Nick Siriana here. I think one of the underrated things about J.1. Hertz is, you know, like managing the four-minute situation late in games.

And there's a lot that goes into it. I thought Janusz did a good job managing those two drives late in the game, you know, knowing kind of the sequence, knowing how to work it. I thought him extending plays was obviously big. You saw that multiple times. but also the really good quarterbacks, like they'll force you to eat your mistakes. And that's what Jane Daniels did today. Like it's one thing for the Eagles to have that miscommunication

and leaves the chaos open. But there are times you look around the NFL most weeks. There are times when there's miscommunication and the quarterback doesn't see it or the quarterback doesn't make you pay. And they absolutely, absolutely made the Eagles pay. And I think, you know, they knew that, you know, I mean, Jane Daniels knew to pick on the middle of the field after CJ went down. I was impressed with Jane Daniels.

And this is something that, you know, for the next decade or the decades, a long time, at least the next four or five years, the Eagles got to deal with this. All right, Zach, for everybody watching. If you're watching for the first time, make sure you subscribe, hit that subscribe button. We want to get that thing close to 30K. What can die hards, Zach, look forward to reading on all phtly.com from you. tonight and tomorrow morning. Yeah. So the first thing I'm going to write is obviously the quarterback reaction,

quarterback situation. What happened with, with Jay and Kenny stepping in. And then I think because there are so many storylines here, I'm going to follow up tomorrow with just some notes from the locker room, Devante's, you know, or different perspectives from the locker room on some of the fallout from this game. I have a cool story this week that I'm running on Saquan Barkley.

I hope people check that out. Yeah, Sequin is a, he's a student of, he's like a student of the game in the sense that he really is into the history of running backs. And he'll know all these like talking points that you hear on the PHY Eagle Show or on Sports Center when they play Mike Tomlin, you know, Mike Tomlin's record against. you know, or Lamar Jack, let's see, Lamar Jackson's record against the NFC, or Mike Connellan's career, you know, streak, or, you know, different, I remember talking about Shady back when Shady's,

when Shady was going into the Franchise Hall of Fame, and Sequin knew down to the yardage, how many yards Lashon had in 2013. And so I kind of get into why he's the student of the game, what he thinks of Eric Dickerson, but then also I caught up with Sequin as he was walking out last week. And I wanted him to give me his five best running backs all time and explain why each one is, you know, so he mentioned he gives me the player, then a description on each player. So like you can see what he what he distinguishes between Barry Sanders and Emmett Smith and Marshall Falk and Adrian Peterson.

And like coming from Sequin, I thought it was cool insight. So I'm going to turn that around for Thursday, December 26th. So make sure you check that out on all p.hly.com. Become a diehard or gift of diehard subscription to the loved one in your life. Just so you know, Zach, Sequin now up to 1838 rushing yards on the season, thanks to his 150 rushing yards in this game. That puts him on pace for 2083 rushing yards, which would be just shy of Eric Digger.

since 2105. But if they play both games, it is possible. It is with reach. Yeah. So that's why, that's kind of why the loss is like tough from a narrative perspective too, because you wanted these next two games

that really mean something. And from a storyline perspective, I wanted that week 17 game against the Giants, stake on against the Giants. I wanted that really to mean something. He needs to average 135 yards over the final two games. to tie Eric Dickerson.

Not crazy. If he has their first quarter like he did tonight, that will happen. But if they're locked into the two seed in week 18, probably not going to happen, right? We need to get them Sequan. Sherr's to say, Seqqa. Mr. 2K. There you go.

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But yeah, so my just big picture here, I would just say this locker room was noticeably quiet when you walked in. Players, there wasn't blame going around that players were taking responsibility for this. But it was a, this was a loss that they felt. You know, I always say, like I tell my son, you got to feel it. This team felt this loss. And it wasn't one that they just like flushed right away. Like I get they want to move on, but they recognized there were parts of this, of this. game that they didn't do well enough to win.

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They did shut down the run in this game. I don't know. That's something, right? It's been part for the course. Yeah, I mean, and Brian Robinson put the ball in ground two or three times. So they've been so good against the run. The big difference was in this one, you had the missed tackles against Jaden Daniels in the open field, whether they were scrambles or design runs.

And then you had a couple of those explosives that has not been part for the course against what we've seen from this group. Yeah, not excuse-making, but maybe the secondary was just kind of exhausted by the end of the game. Oh, the offense dominated the ball, dominated the time of possession in the third quarter. You know, by the time you got there, they should have been arrested.

Most teams haven't attacked the Eagles through the air as much as though. I feel like they got attacked today. But yeah. Give it a defensive snap counts real quick, just to run through them. 64 plays, it looks like, according to true media right away.

Zach Bond, Reed Blankenship, Quinion Mitchell play all 64. Jaylen Carter, 61 of 64. Darius Slay 60. Cooper DeGine 59, Nkobi Dean 55. 54 for Nolan Smith. 40 for Milton Williams. 34 for C.J. Gardner Johnson. 33 for Jalick's Hunt.

Just over 50% of the snap. Josh, sweat. 31 for McAllen. 30 for McAllum. 20 for A Jemma. Only 15 for Jordan Davis, though he was banged up. Yeah. Seven for Chuck Harris.

I don't remember seeing him do anything. guess is, yeah, during the sweat injury. They had to get a third guy in there, yeah. And then six for Isaiah Rogers, six for Orrin Berks, and one for Keely Ringo. Nothing too crazy. By the way, Dave Zengaro put this out from Reed Blankenship. I'm going to have on the CJJ ejection.

He said, I'm going to have his back. He didn't say anything at all. I was right there. But you know, when you're in the hot spot, things happen. At the end of the day, I got my dudes back. Next man up. The chances he said nothing are non-existent.

Come on, Reed. That's okay. He's got his guy's back. Yeah, I mean, you don't have to lie. He clearly said something. I did like on the watchalong, I did like the turnover of the force where they got the running back locked up. And then Reed Blankenship comes in with the force fumble. And then Cooper DeGine gets the recovery, like just the gentrification fumble.

Like they come in and clean it up at the end. Give the guys the credit who actually did it. All right. The super chat to run through. We talked about Claude de Becés, the worst offensive line game in memory. We have Chuck who says, how bad did the CJGJ ejection hurt? A few questions on that front. I think we sort of talked about that.

It's hard to say without looking at the All-22. I'm sure you'll be curious about that tomorrow. But I also don't think it's as easy as like Tristan McCollum is the reason that they gave up 22 points in the fourth quarter. No. I think it is notable, though, that on the games when they've been missing those safeties, like two games are going against Carolina that you did. have blanket ship and the past defense didn't look great.

Yeah, that's fair. So, you know, there could be something to the fact. And it's not like anti-Tristan McCollum, but he's a young and experienced player. And this is a scheme that we know is predicated on sound safety play. And so if you don't have those starters back there, their lack of communication, there could be something there. And I also think it's fair the questions in the chat about, you know, Sidney Brown has dealt with injuries. He's been banged up throughout this season. But it's, it's disappointing that a second year, I agree. Round pick can't get on the field over Tristan McCollum. I agree.

Justin says this loss is absolutely on ZB. Thanks for creating Jameson Crowder. We will make sure that Zach answers for that on tomorrow's show. Musa says, should they have gone for it after the Devante Smith drop? And this is an interesting question. Yeah, right. It is an interesting question. It's tough because obviously if you don't get it,

then the commanders only need a field goal to win the game. If you do get it, the problem with going for it is the game is not really over over. If it was, then I could be, then I could be convinced to go for it. Yeah, and they, it paid off for them in some instances. They went for a fourth down after an incompletion to AJ Brown at one point.

And then they went back to AJ and he came through for, you know, for the first down. I still think down 20, 27. Yeah, I think he kind of have to take the field goal there. I was okay with them kicking. My gut was that I was okay with it too.

Yeah. What about you, Vinny? Oh, yeah, no, I'm kicking it. Listen, listen. Put the onus on the defense.

Yeah, but you think about the way the defense's been playing. Yeah, right. Kicking that fuel goal. That don't happen all the time. But, you know, it's just, what I was getting ready to say, but then I see on the next super chat, I'll talk about it on that one. The Eagles, two-minute defense has always been bad all year. Right, but so my thing is this,

when you know that Washington is a no hurdle to, you know, you would have, I'm pretty sure they probably was conditioning for this moment. I would like to assume but it's just like, dang. And listen, I mean, it is, our narratives change, obviously, and if Devante Smith catches that ball, we're coming here on the postgame show

talking about how the defense was put up to the test, one stop, go make the play, and they all did it. And it was a great team play. They forced that interception. Slay comes in and Blankenship closes it. And then Kenny Pickett, even though he's the backup quarterback

and hadn't played the best game, delivers the first down, game winning pass to Devante Smith and the Seagos team finds a way. Like, it is true that they were, you know, this close to pulling that off. Sure. I may be a little too harsh on picket,

but I'm not going to stop. It's okay. You know, you have a kid, five turnovers, and then Jillian was playing this game, probably score 50 points. Oh, Vinny, you should have seen me doing the watch along in the first quarter.

I was going, it's over. This game's over. Put him in a body bag. Oh, Jim, Jill hurts for right back. And it was going. that way. Nothing's happening to Quignan. They're not throwing his way. Touchdown. Yeah, it was a bad day.

And then I just bet the bills too. And they're losing to the Patriots. Tyler says, Vinnie, what kind of stuff does a player have to say to earn two personal fouls? Doesn't happen often. I would imagine maybe an off-the-field threat would be one, right? Maybe an off-to-field threat or maybe even

the ref might probably heard something that, you know, shouldn't have really, really been said. You know, I'm not going to give. Some sexual sland- maybe. You never know, man. Something like that, I would imagine.

I've never seen a player get thrown out of the phone. I was going to say, yeah. You ever even seen this? No. A lot of continued talk about C.J. Garner Johnson and how much that changed the game. Matthew says 22 points in the fourth quarter after he left the game. Hezanon says safety depth, edge depth, cuby depth, dropped balls. I think all of those things, absolutely.

Factors in this game. Santiago says, without hurts, the plan needs to be slants and ice. so with the fullback. Good luck and higher Snotting coordinator. Carre Blossom game. We didn't get to see one snap with Blosson game. Yeah.

That was fun. Matthew Greenwood again says I'm going to say it again, C.J. G.J. J.J. gets ejected. And we give up 22 points in one quarter. That ejection was the difference in this game. Antigago giving a shout out to Marissa. And then Harksaw says with the offensive line issues, after Kenny came in,

could any of that be due to how Jalen manages protections pre-snap and Kenny is not as well versed yeah i mean that the one sack by fowler right i almost like i'm like 99% that's on uh based off the replay we saw that that's on kenny um you know but that was one play at the end of the day too it's one of many play that's how i should say it is that's one of many plays that we can point to and say like all right that goes a different way uh maybe the game is different but obviously that is a factor sure you have a backup quarterback coming in right? And as part of like,

maybe that's the quarterback proofing of having the center be the guy. I was going to say like that's... I wonder how it works with Pickett. I would imagine that Juergens takes on more responsibility. Yeah, I mean, the thing is, is like that is kind of like... I know it.

I'm sitting here on like my got like, you know, that's kind of like a run-in-the-mill, like protection. That one, okay. Yeah, like that one was pretty cut and dry. Okay. All right. We're leaving the defense. end unblocked against this blitz look like this ball's got to come out kenny right so like that that one's

not even like oh you know like a second linebacker came through when they weren't expecting and it fooled Kenny like this one was pretty cut and dry like he's he's that ball's got to come out uh Jake another super chat says it made zero sense to continue running zone read in the run game with pick it in there hell I barely like it when they do it with jail it. I don't like to what I said I would like to see Kenny just run a little bit more yeah to keep them honest when the toes exactly that's a good point and again it goes back to what we talked about earlier, like that's a way to get the numbers back in your favor is to run those own reads. So I think that's an answer. And then Sean dials it back to what you talked about

Jamie early on, that's Sequin drop in the Falcons game. He can't believe that two dropped passes are the reason the Eagles aren't going to get the one seed. Could be looking at 16 and one, if not for those two drops. Yeah, I mean, like, not even like drops like in the third quarter that were like huge swing, but like literal end of the game, you catch it and the game is over drops. Yeah, it's pretty hard to believe. From two of your best players too. That's what makes it tough. Yeah, sure.

It wasn't like John Dotson dropped one or Grand Calcutterra dropped one. It was Seguan Barkley and Devante Smith. Yeah. Stuff. All right. Well, that'll do it for the P.H.O.I. Eagles post-game show. Any final thoughts? Vinny, you still feel good about this team and their chances of winning the Super Bowl once they got the quarterback back?

Well, just Washington wins. That means. Dallas is completely... I believe so. I believe Dallas has been eliminated. Look, that's a positive. Did you see Michael Parsons this week? No, no. He was, he was asked about that and was like, oh, like, basically like, you're, right. Yeah, like, are you, are you rooting for that outcome so you guys stay alive?

He's like, hell no, like, I'm not rooting for, like, I want, he was rooting, yeah, he was rooting for the Eagles to lose to stay. Oh, no. Even though it would mean that they were eliminated. Yeah, even though that would be. But that means that the, that the Cowboys are still alive then. No, no, I think they've been eliminated. Okay. because he was rooting for the eagles he was rooting for no no he was saying it was posed to him right

like the it's better for you if the eagles win are you going to root for the eagles to win he's like hell no like he can't bring himself to root oh yeah yeah yeah okay sorry sorry sorry i was backwards right correct so yeah that's right so they've been a limit very much in uh in his head how about you jimmy so i and tickets to new orleans uh yeah yeah i don't think it faze my my outlook at all really I think it's, you know, the defense has been playing at such a high rate now for 10, 11 weeks. Jaden Daniels is an impressive young quarterback. He had his day versus them. Offensively, like Vinnie said, I just kind of flush that one away.

I mean, it's can he pick a game. You were in a position to win it. That's kind of all you can ask for, I guess. I don't think it really changed my postseason outlook at all. I'm not going to wake up tomorrow morning and be like, ah! You know, like, I'm going to wake up and go, all right, that was a weird day, huh? the last time the Eagles dropped the game late in the season with the backup quarterback in with Marshawn Lattimore

on the other side they went to a Super Bowl there you go if Carson Wentz was the backup quarterback today they win that game damn did I mean I don't know was that a mic drop like that yeah I love how you waited until I have you a one hour meeting to pull that one out all right she'll lead with that all right see you later on that note that'll do it for the PHM like Eagles post game show

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