PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles Postgame: Saquon Barkley and the Eagles are MOVING ON

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

Dallas Goedert’s Grown Man touchdown, Zack Baun’s interception, Darius Slay’s interception, Oren Burks’ forced fumble, Jalen Hurts’ touchdown pass to Jahan Dotson, Saquon Barkley’s long runs. Those were the big plays for the Eagles in their wildcard game against the Packers. But it was a squeaker, with a missed Jake Elliott extra point and a mostly uninspiring offense, with A.J. Brown quiet and Jalen Hurts uneven.Join our full PHLY Eagles crew to discuss it all, with Super Bowl champion Vinny Curry, Fran Duffy, Jamie Lynch and Bo Wulf, before Zach Berman joins live from the LINC. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everyone to the P. H.L.Y. Eagles post-game show after a successful survive and advance game for the Eagles of 22 to 10 victory over the Green Bay Packers. And we are presented by Bet365 and TrueMark Financial. Download the Bet365 app and use code PHLY 365 when you sign up. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bet365 and visit trumark.com slash compare for full details and to apply today. TrueMark financial, federally insured by the the NCUA, equal opportunity lender. And we've got a lot to talk about here on the PHA Y Eagles postgame show with Super Bowl champion Vinnie Curry, Jamie Lynch and Fran Duffy, the Eagles defense and special teams forcing four turnovers and unbelievable play by Dallas Goddard making it for the Eagles. The offense, not great. We'll talk about it all. We'll also hear from Nick Siriani and Zach Berman live from the link, but we've got to go

around the horn first to start with takeaways. And Jamie, you have been waiting for this one all here long. start with you. It came at the most opportune time, a game ceiling, interception for my boy Q. Quinion gets his pick. I hit my Sequin Super Boost on Bet 365 for 100 plus yards. And the Eagles move on. It was great. It was good to see Quinnian and the team really enjoy him getting his picked. Fran, your biggest takeaway. I mean, the takeaways in general, defensively, certainly were a big reason why the Eagles were able to get this win. But I think the big thing, too, we're going to talk about this offense and some of the inconsistencies we saw. But

see a lot to take away from this W. All right. And Vinnie Curry, how about you? Oh, my God. He's doing it. But he's got a better book choice here. Baa! Wow.

There it is. No, seriously, I thought Donald Smith was the highlight, you know, of the defense today. He stepped up big time, man. In these last couple games, he's really, really putting on the campaign to, you know,

for that guy that we've been looking for. So I'm really, he changed this game dramatically, not aside from his play, I mean, he injured, you know,

he went right at that tackle. Elton Jenkins, and that changed the game from early in the first quarter. And it wasn't dirty, it wasn't vicious, it was just a crazy football dude that went after a tackle,

man on man. I was on a sack of Jordan Love on third and four. That was only the third time all year that Jordan Love had been sacked on third and four or less. Yeah. And,

other sack at the end of the game. He was awesome. Go ahead. How many times do we hear him on the broadcast? Like, when we're sitting there, you hear somebody screaming, you're like, what the hell was that? Nolan Smith? Just going nuts. He brings a level of energy that every good defense certainly needs. It's the first thing you said when you came in from the game, Vinnie.

You said, how about my guy Nolan Smith? My God! Listen, like the first sack was, though, he went up, two steps, came in on the, on the hook to the inside move and the speed to really catch him going outside. It's crazy. the dude is elite elite player and for a guy his size

and he continues to be a super impressive run defender setting that hard edge and like it's hard for me to remember a player who I feel like

improved this much as the season went along yeah monster man stood of the game love that yeah he was fantastic now this defensive

performance obviously really impressive holding the Packers to 10 points forcing three turnovers on defense plus the turnover that Orrin Burke's

forced on the game's opening kickoff. You have an interception from Darius Slay, Zach Bonn, and then the Quinyon won at the end of the game. This defensive performance, Fran, felt like as the whole world was watching, cemented them as the best defense in the league. Yeah, look, obviously, taking into account the fact that this was, especially by the time we got to the third quarter, they were dropping like flies over on that side. But the results speak for themselves. You're creating those turnovers. We talked about it as the turnover started to swing back in the Eagles defensive favor in the second half of the season. And this is what you wanted to see.

You want to see a defense that is able to take the football away when you get into the postseason. The best defenses when you get to the playoffs are opportunistic and they make you pay because those turnovers in this game, they proved to be the difference because the offense was very up and down. They weren't even able to capitalize on a number of those plays, but to come up with those turnovers, it was the number one reason for the victory here tonight.

Yeah, absolutely. I thought that interception by Slate was probably one of the most impressive interceptions I've seen. playing football. Like, that was crazy. It was real makeup speed on that play. I was there in the moment. Like, it was crazy, bro. It was fantastic. The makeup speed.

Then he leaves the game and then comes back. Now, we will talk about the Eagles suffered some injuries themselves. Nicobi Dean carded off the field with a knee injury, declared out. You would expect that that is a serious injury. And it did look like Gorinberg's was a bit of a weak spot for the Eagles throughout this game. We'll get into all that as the things go out. We'll also get into the machinations of when and who the Eagles are likely to play against. But just sticking on this defensive performance, Jamie, what was it like for you?

What was most impressive? What's most impressive was the physicality. They just, they brought the thunder from the opening kickoff to the final whistle. Unfortunately, you know, some Packers went down in the process. But I thought physically in the trenches, both lines, linebackers, they were looking to bring the pain today. And I think it was led by Nolan Smith. You know, when you have that crazy guy that just loves, contact and football up front.

You get a CJ, GJ in the back. You get a couple, a little bit of crazy mixed in with some good football. And I thought they just completely manhandled the Packers today. That about you, friend. Yeah, I think to me, the big thing was, can you come out and force them to be one-dimensional? Look, Josh Jacobs was able to get his. He's good. He finished with 121 yards.

Obviously, he had that 31-yard near touchdown in the early in the second half. But I think when you look at what this offense can do at their best, Green Bay, is that they can be multidimensional and they can beat you in a lot of different different ways. If you weren't going to stop them in the run, you had to find other ways to make up for that. And I thought this defense was able to come through in a big way. And look, you lose Jaden Reed. You came in without Watson. They lose dubs midstream. But they were still able to come up with those big plays when they needed the most. Yeah, Jacobs 18 carries for 81 yards, with the long of 31. Not too bad. By EPA per play was their third worst offensive performance

of the season. The defense obviously answered the bell in this game. And I think it's fair to say that for the most part, the offense did not do its part. You know, they put up 22 points, seven of them come immediately after that initial turnover. But Jalen Hertz in this game, 13 of 21 for 131 yards and two touchdowns. But there was a

he did seem not quite himself. Do you think that's fair to say? Yeah, I think so. I think on that it was a pretty cool trick push on the third and one. He had AJ open. He missed him by like two, three yards. And that to me was just kind of like Well, we've talked about like when Jalen makes mistakes, it's often, it's like he's not throwing it where he should, right?

Or he's being a little bit hesitant. He's not usually inaccurate. Yeah. And there were some real inaccuracies in this game that were atypical for him. Even frankly, that the Goddard touchdown was like thrown behind him. And that's where like the rust part of it. That's where the rest conversation comes into play as way as the inaccuracy. The indecision or the indecisiveness.

That's the stuff that can get worked out. But the rust element, I think, comes in when you talk about some of the erratic ball placement throughout the night. But to your point, Bo, I was mentioning to Fran when we were sitting back there at the desk. If you look at Lamar's stat line last night, it's not that like optically different from Jalen's, you know, like 180 yards. It's like 13 for 21. When you look, because Fran pointed out, he's like, if you look at the box score, like, it looks relatively okay. But like the difference in feel between Lamar last night and Jalen tonight, I think we're worlds of difference. Now, frankly, I think the play

from this game that we're all going to remember was that Dallas got her touchdown. I mean, grown man touchdown. Is that guy? Is that guy, is Carrington Valentine allowed to still be in the league, Vinnie? Man, listen. Stay off Twitter.

That was tough. That was a good point, I think, by Meena Kahn said, like, the last stiff arm, like, as he's going to the end zone, was like real insult to injury. Like, he was all, he had already got there. And then he's like, Let me give this guy one last one to remember me by. And that was a huge play in the game. It was 16 to 10 at that point.

The offense had not scored a touchdown since that opening possession. And for him to make that play, like, really taking it all upon himself was huge. Did he have to change the momentum, change the swing of the way that game was going? And that was a nice job from Jaylin at the line of scrimmage there where they're showing that zero pressure look. And we talked about how they like to show those pressure looks and not send everybody. So if you were going to get the ball out, you have to do it decisively and understand that this might be a disguised look. So if that wasn't going to be a cover zero blitz,

which it ended up being, but if that was, let's say they fell out of that into cover two and one of those guys underneath was flashing underneath that route, that could have been a disaster. So it was a nice job from Jalen of understanding, hey, this is probably what we're getting here. This is what I want to check into and it was able to beat it for a big play. Especially remembering how this Eagles season ended last year against Tampa Bay being beaten by so many of those big blitzes.

Yeah, no question. And look, there might be something that we're talking about this week. If the Eagles do end up playing Tampa, which we'll get into. But I think when you're looking at the ability to defeat pressure, that is certainly one of the check boxes you want to check coming into this season through it. The success rate has been up and down. This was a good example of a positive development there for Hertz from that standpoint. And so how that sets up in terms of who the Eagles are going to play next is the result

of tonight's game will determine. If the Bucks beat the commanders, the Bucks will come here and play the Eagles most likely next Saturday, because the league has usually split up the NFC games Saturday and Sunday. So if the Bucks win tonight, it's likely here at the link next Saturday. And if the commanders beat the Bucks tonight, the Eagles will play the winner of tomorrow night's game between the Vikings and the Rams. And that will be next Sunday here at the link. They're not going to make the team that's playing tomorrow, play on Saturday. Essentially. Who are you?

What are you rooting for, Jamie? I'd be lying if I didn't have some Tampa Bay PTSD. Okay. No doubt about that. You know, trust tree here. I'll share my soul. I think I'd most want to face the Rams. And I know that sounds a little crazy because they are the Super Bowl winner

quarterback coach combination of these teams. They got a lot going on. Yeah. I think the Rams is where I'm at. Okay. How about you, Vinny? It's matter to you? No, I don't know.

The way, listen, the way this defense looked at night, nah, it don't really matter to me. I think the next game is actually easy. than today's game. I think so too. And I also think that there is something to, you got like the playoff jitters out of the way a little bit. And I told you, Vinnie, before we started,

that this game reminded me a little bit of that Falcons game from 2017 where you just had to survive and advance and escape. And then you sort of get into it after that and play your best football. Absolutely. So, yeah, but back to that point, I think I like the Rams on that one too. Yeah. You know, yeah, I think I like the Rams,

especially in Philadelphia. Yeah, yeah, give me the ram. I'll admit it. I'm a JD Daniels terrifies me. Let us know what you think in the chat. Who you're rooting for. Do you want to play the Bucks? Do you want to play the Vikings?

Do you want to play the Rams? Where do you fall, Fran? I think you can convince me either way. I mean, you want the bucks for swooper points. Yeah, I mean, that's what we're really hoping for here. I think everybody in the chat would agree with that. Yeah, this is going to be a very bald, don't lie. Swoopers situation.

Swoopers most important. But that said, I mean, when you look at the state, of the Tampa defense. It's been bad for most of the year, but they are starting to get a little bit healthier. They get Winfield back in the line up here tonight. It might be not as bad as what we've seen from that unit for the most of this year.

Mike Gavin. I kind of like the idea of like, let's settle off family business. Let's take out the bucks and prove how bad we really are, how much better we've got. I like the idea of play in Washington a third time. Yeah, but you can't do that until the NFC championship. Oh, yeah, sure, true, true. So we're talking either bucks are.

That's the point. Yep. All right. So then. Yeah, give me the Rams. I think I think I might prefer bucks Okay yeah Yeah I think so

I mean do you want to play Baker Do you want to play Baker Was Darnold Freaking good this year Yeah If you're playing the Rams That means they're coming off of a win Over the Vikings

Now everybody say like the emotional win there I'll take my statement Give me yeah yeah Give me Baker There's also some number out there About Stafford and McVeigh Together like coming East Coast And they're like

There's something like undefeated Coming East Coast I got to look at that number I remember seeing that earlier this fall. I'll follow you. I don't know. Tampa scares me more than the Rams. All right. Let's talk about the book because A.J. Brown, one catch for 10 yards, only three targets in this game.

I did not see that. How do we feel? If I was a bet in person, which I don't bet. If I was a bad in person, I think I would have lost my money to you. Fortunately, the people who followed our best bets on Bet365. and came out, I think they came out ahead. Yeah, I was 2 and 0. I think I was one in one.

Sequin going down at the end there. Oh my God. Chase the record, Sequin. AJ looked like he was really giving him, you know, giving him crap for going down there at the end. That was funny. I think it's more of a, I think it's more of a offensive passing game concern overall

than like a specifically AJ thing. Sure. But, I mean, they are not going to go to the Super Bowl if this is their passing game. No. I mean, absolutely not. And look, so much of that yardage, again, like came on some not so great throws as well. So it's not even like, oh, you had to, you were able to connect to some big plays.

They have a lot to clean up, certainly. Whether it's Tampa, Minnesota, or like Austin P. coming to the link next Saturday. They have some things that's correct. Is it Austin P or P. Austin? I think it's Austin P. Okay. I do think that, you know, one thing.

that, you know, one thing that we sort of try to talk ourselves into before the playoffs is, you know, maybe the offense has a bunch of different tricks up their sleeves. Maybe there are some things they haven't shown that they're going to do in this game. And there were a few things like that. I mean, the Tush Push play for one. We saw a Jalen Hertz under center play with no play action, which I don't think we've ever seen before. They come out on that opening possession and they go like three different personnel groups. They go 22 personnel in the second play. but in general, the structure of the passing game was still pretty vanilla, right, Fran?

Yeah, and a lot of the plays that we've seen from them in the past, like, it's just, again, they kind of lean on these the same, like, core concepts, and we see, we see the same handful of plays on repeat from week to week. So what the reasoning for that? No one really knows the answer that's outside of that building, but that is certainly one of the frustrating aspects of watching this team play offense. weekly basis. Brutal.

What did you make in the passing game, Vinny? So like I said, if I would, you know, if I would have bettered on 365, I'd be all to lost my money. Because, you know, if you would have told me that, you know, AJ leave this game without a touchdown or are to cause you crazy. But like I, but it goes goes back to show that this is first game back. You know, I'm pretty sure, you know, I'll see the hit. He's going to open it up more.

I mean, definitely get AJ more involved. that fall on more jalen or kellen more i would have to think first read looks a j has to be scripted for more than two right like well there's and there's the whole thing about you know a j versus man devante versus zone sure and you told us all week fran about how like in versus cloud coverages a j brown was much less effective is is that what you think this was well so i went for next gen has the initial coverage breakdowns already out and just looking back through it. They actually played a lot more cover four than what we've seen from Green. Now, this is the early reads on it.

So it might change here as their analysts go through the film and kind of remock it up. But their early read on it is that Greenback actually played a little bit more cover four than what we've seen in less cover two, less cover six, which are those cloud coverages, but still a heavy amount of zone coverage. And those are the things that we've talked about with Jaylon where he has had trouble reading those things out. And so when he has typically had those, typically AJ, it's like, all right, man to man, I'm going to AJ. Or I'm going to Dallas.

Typically, that's what we've seen on the blitz player for the touchdown to Dallas. That was man to man. He said, I'm going to go to my matchup here to Dallas got it in the flat. But when he's going to go against teams who like to play zone, it's been more Devante Smith, settling into soft spots in zone coverage, you know, making himself available. And in this game, those numbers bared out once again. And it's crazy because sometimes, you know, generally can make nothing out of something. Something out of nothing.

You know what I mean? So it's just like when he holds it and he's scrimming around, boom, touchdown. Or, you know, first down, it's like. Like the Jahan Dotson touchdown. Exactly. He did a very good job, surveying the scene. It looked like there was a point where he wanted to flee the pocket. Then he realized, okay, this is actually pretty clean.

Let me look around. And then it got bigger and bigger. It was like oil and water. Like, it just kept like growing. And then all of a sudden he had like eight feet around him in a perfect use shape. That was an incredible job by the O-line. Then there were a couple players. Like he took like a couple sacks in this game that were kind of like, what are we doing here?

I need him to be smarter about his head next week. There was a couple of plays. That's true. Getting rid of the ball. Like he's very close to being independent neurologist flagged. Like any hit where his head's on the ground, like they may want to look at that. Like I need him to go down. Even more worrying because the Eagles made Kenny pick at the number two quarterback and not Tanner McKin.

Good point. Yeah, I need him to protect himself. When under pressure in this game and pressures are a loose term. extremely subjective. Well, not even, not just subjective. But it's bringing it on himself. Yes. The time to pressure number again was very, very high.

Like to Jamie's point, you had that touchdown to Johan Dotson. It's a perfect pristine pocket for almost seven seconds. That doesn't happen in the NFL. But under pressure, according to next gen stats, Jalen hurts tonight. Three for nine, 23 yards, two sacks. It's like that's not good. Those are, those are porous numbers there from the past game. So you just need to be a little bit better, certainly, in those.

scenarios. Meanwhile, the running game, Sequin and Barclay, 25 carries for 119 yards, 4.8 yards a carry. It's interesting, like 25 carries 119 seems like a lot. It felt like they still could have gone to Sequin even more in this game, right, Vinnie? Absolutely. And then there's, you know, some of, you know, like the long run he could have broke today. Yeah. It changes that number drastically. You know what I mean? But, you know, he chose a slide, though. And this was a high-ranked Packers run defense as well. You're right to say that as well because the interior, the Packers' interior defense, you know, it seemed to be like the strong point in the run games.

And then they stack the box all night tonight. I said this to Fran in the pregame show. It is so nice to be an Eagles fan because you're so spoiled by the offensive line. Like, I don't care if we face the number one, the number two, and the number three and the number four rush defenses here on this Super Bowl run. I have full confidence that they will be able to get yardage, no problem. And I think part of that is something we've talked about, all season and really for a while, friend, is just a variety of the schemes in the running game.

And in this game, it seemed like they were able to lean on those outside runs as opposed to the interior runs for the most part. Yeah, that was something we talked about on Thursday. We talked a little bit of the halftime show as well. But when you watched Green Bay over the course of the season, especially in the second half, they were really good against the run. And they were outstanding inside between the tackles. They were allowing 0.6 yards before contact per rush, which was number one in the NFL on inside run.

So basically T.J. Slate and Kenny Clark, those guys were not giving up any ground. But when you go back and you watch Detroit, you watch San Francisco, you watch some of these other teams that are pretty well-designed run games going into those matchups. You could see that they wanted to prioritize those perimeter run plays. So whether it was like stretch tosses, sweeps, outside zone, anything to try and get to stretch that defense out to try and make those guys run, then that they were able to find a little bit more success. Success rate was still pretty high. It was still, you know, in the top 10, top 12 of the league. but you were getting a little bit more headway

by getting those plays outside the numbers. And in this game, a number of Sequin's biggest plays certainly came outside the tackle box. As a group, the offense, by either success rate or EPA per drive, EPA per play, this was either their third or fourth worst performance of the season, which, I mean, that does track with what it looked like. And honestly, it's been, it's kind of been that trend now down the stretch

the last few weeks. It was the Pittsburgh game. Well, the Pittsburgh game, they looked great. Yeah, Pittsburgh game. And they looked great at the first quarter of the commenters game the next week before Gillen Hurts goes out. Yeah. And Dallas game, the run game wasn't there, you know, as on a success rate basis. And so that's something to monitor.

I was hoping that with the week off, that things look a little bit better, a little bit cleaner. It was going up against a good run defense. We'll see what it looks like next week. A little bit of an update, not officially, but Bob broke over just tweeted Nicoby Dean leaving the locker room on crutches with a large knee brace. Yeah, that doesn't so that sounds like it's a season over to me. Hopefully, I'm wrong. It doesn't sound good. So he may be lost there.

He's a little bruised up, that's it. Yeah, and I mean, you know, back in the day, he should say, put some dirt on it, you'd be odd. I mean, I would like that to have been the case. Yeah, that sucks. Yeah, no, it does. And just to talk about Nicobar Dean for a second,

I mean, you know, you talk about some of the stories of this season for him to have been, you know, a rookie who couldn't get on the field, a season marred by injury, his second year, and then the way that he played this year after winning the job in training camp, I mean, he was awesome next to the Kobe Dean. I mean, next to Zach Bond. He was all over the field today.

He had a monster game. And it's a show, he's explosive. The way I'm telling him about this last week, the way they cue him up on blitzes is crazy. You hit your bet on him from him. By a half tackle, I was able to hit. Half was in the second quarter.

I was able to get it in before the injury. So I think when you're looking at Nikobi Dean, the big thing Ken Flagell, former Eagles assistant coach. He used to... Who's got him tattooed? Chris Long? Chris Long.

Yeah. He used to, he would use the term high speed internet. This is a guy that's playing with high speed internet. Nikobi Dean is playing with high speed internet. He sees things fast

and that allows him to play a little bit faster than what he would time on a stopwatch. And I think when you look at his ability to play downhill, that's a strength of his game. And the Eagles will certainly miss that here without him for this defense the rest of the way.

All right. So if we take sort of a step back, just big picture vibes check how you're feeling about the birds jamie uh okay not as confident as i was adding into today okay now i think the offense can pull out of it i do think it's not like the passing game is not dead i still think there's hope for it i think i like their matchup next week like still pretty good i don't want to be a downer like still pretty good i would have liked to have seen more out of the passing game how about you vini i love our pass rush and i love a uh defensive back So I feel pretty good about it, especially the winner, the dependence on tonight's game.

Right. Tomorrow night's game. And I like the way it matches up both ways. Brett. How about you, Fran? No, I'm feeling good. To me, this was a game where, look, if you were able to come out of this with a win, you kind of build that momentum going down to me because I was a little bit concerned about this matchup overall,

especially on the offensive side, talking about the past game. You're able to weather that storm, get through with a win. You get on to week number two. I think the pass rush is a good point, though, because you talk about the way things had been trending at the end of the season. The pass rush was not as good at the end of the season. And it seemed like they were the group that most of all could have used a little bit of a rest at the end of the season. And so for them to get that by week off, I thought this was the best they looked. Now, we got to keep in mind that Packers' offensive line was dealing with injuries.

But I thought as a group, this was the best they've looked in about a month or so. Yes, I agree. Yeah, Joshua didn't really show up much. True. Jalen Carter was getting in the backfield, but I thought Nolan's, Smith like I mean if you know he was the defensive line star of the game there do we have a consensus in the chat on who they're rooting to play I have not seen I'm keeping my eye on a little bit of the commanders and and I got I want to and I also want to I'm curious we can get

yeah I want to I'm curious to see the defensive line play count you know this here we are you know playoff game we go down the stretch I didn't really see a lot of rotation did you no I did not see my we saw uh i don't think huff or hunt uh play a lot i saw a little bit of hunt um we saw some hunt yeah yeah i don't know that we saw much of huff i didn't know that we saw much of huff at all yeah yeah here's some uh here's some eagles defense numbers while you're pulling those so uh this is from next next gen stats the eagles defense limited jordan love three of 11 passing for 58 yards and three picks on those downfield throws uh that's the throws of at least 10 air yards um so outstanding job from the secondary from the defense overrated

Quinnian Mitchell targeted six times as the nearest defender allowed two catches for 10 yards and had that pick down the field in the end of the fourth quarter. And I also want to go on. Is that there? Or just the Packers? Okay. No, Jordan Love is over. I'll say it.

I think we're, Freddick. A lot of that from the people. I didn't watch this game. Well, go ahead. You got to admit, Zach has put on a defensive player of the year. campaign and yeah you ever see somebody just dropped the mic after they just hit the stage i feel like he dropped the mic today like wow you know what i mean it's fantastic

the one that hit the ground and come right back the next player picking yes it was crazy yeah that interception was nice bro it was just like you know what else he got to do just to win you know defensive player at a year they showed us a good replay of that of that pick what happened on it fran yeah so what it looked like was that they were just playing quarters coverage and so they were running a dig route from one side of the field, Green Bay. And so Jordan Love has his eyes to the right-hand side. Zach Bond was playing underneath zone on the opposite side, and they had an in-breaking route going in that direction.

That's why I hate route concepts where you have two in-breakers coming from opposite sides because you might bring a defender into the passing lane that the quarterback is not even looking at. And there on that play, Zach Bond was able to just fall off of it and get into the passing lane, made a great play on the ball. As we've seen all year long, got that ability to finish for those interceptions, which I mean, it's just so unique for a guy because keep in mind, like we talked about how he has never played offball linebacker before and what that means from a mental standpoint. He's only really played downhill. Yeah, he dropped

in coverage as a Sam linebacker at Wisconsin. He did a little bit of that with the Saints. What he's done in coverage has just been unbelievable for a guy that just has not been asked to do that throughout his career. So is there any Wisconsin linebackers of how in the scouting department should be looking at? I mean, T.J. Edwards is not gone. Like, might as well go to where the cheese is good. This year, I think they're lacking in the town. I like that. By the way, Bo, Julia threw up a poll in the chat.

Fantastic producing by Julia. Yeah, the early results. Most people want the Rams followed by the Bucks and then the Vikings. The majority going for the Rams at 53% and the bucks at 34% people are a little nervous about the Vikings down at 12%. But I think the Eagles will be okay against any of those teams. I actually think, well, minus the Vikings because Brian Flores scared. me. The other two, I think, are both easier than this one. I think

Bulls scares me more than Flores. Does Bulls scare you one for us? I think so. I think there's something with him and Jalen. Got it. So just the... The bogeyman. Yeah. Marmaduke or whatever that. No, that's a dog. What's that? What's that one? Yeah, I'm not sure where you were going with Marmaduke.

What's that one? Lassie? No. Damn it. Old Yeller? I'm not a big scary movie guy, but I know there's the one. Damn it. It's the meme in the backseat, and it's like, why can't you just be normal?

I'm going to need some help from the chat here. Cliff? No, it's not a dog movie. Oh, Baba. Airbud? He was a good receiver. He had speed. I'll come up with it.

But donka dunk. I got nothing. The Bobadook. The Bobadook. That's what I'm, man. Not Marmaduke. Okay. The Babaduke.

All right. Let's check out the super chats that we have. A good bunch, happy about that. Claude Des Moose. He says, you question why teams are calling Kellynne Moore, but then you remember the teams that need head coaches are bad teams. I mean, I mean, Saints are bad. But I do, I mean, this is the conversation that we always have.

How do you disentangle from the offensive scheme? What is Nick Siriani? is Gielan Hertz's preferences, what is Killen Moore calling it, especially knowing the way that Kellen Moore has called games in the past and seeing what they did in Week 18 with Tanner McKee. I don't know. It's very different from what from Kellymour offenses I've watched in the past. Yeah. And so, I mean, it might be worth an interview, but I also don't necessarily know that I would

say that Kellen Moore is like the most wants you to run through a wall personality that I've ever seen based on his press conferences, but maybe it's better behind the scenes. It's also not to say that like the offense schematically, has been wondrous on its edges either. Like, you know, you could even say, like, hey, we want to lean into the things that the quarterback wants to do. Still not doing, like, a ton, like, around that either. Yeah.

But, yeah. Okay. Santiago says, imagine the poetic justice of Tanner McKing, winning a Super Bowl. That was for you. I mean, I don't have to.

I don't know. Time is not linear. And so I have already lived this future existence. That is happening. Well, this is also two weeks in a row. that Santiago has made you smile. Oh, yeah, you guys are on to something here. Listen, the heart wants what the heart wants.

Kevin, our man, Kevin, who says, thanks for ending the Packers season, signed everyone here in Chicago. You're welcome. Vince checking in, said, love this team going forward. The defense looked amazing. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing you're waking up tomorrow morning. Like, hell yeah, bring anyone on is this defense? Well, it's the kind of thing, you know, like this Packers defense came in

and they were rated highly on the heels of, being able to force a lot of turnovers. And the Seagos defense has forced so many turnovers over the past month of the season that like the inner part of me is like, well, they can't just keep forcing all these turnovers. But even on a success rate basis, they were pretty good in this game.

Although I do, I would say more mistackles in this game from the defense than I'm used to. But that's been, that's Green Bay, man. That's been their calling card all season long. Those backs have been really tough to be able to get to the ground. Both guys, Wilson and Jacobs, both finished in the top 20 and force miss tackle rate. And then Jaden Reed has been one of the best yards

after catch receivers in football. So I think that comes to the territory of taking it on Greenback. Vinnie, what is the like the juice level for you for a home playoff game versus like a regular game as a player? I was hyped. Yo, I was there all the way to. Yeah, you were there tonight. You were there to put you up there.

They put you up to the crowd out. Oh, bro. It was sick. People were speculating that you all to say, Like, whoa. Y'all, I did. I did. And I kept saying, let's go.

But the energy was amazing down there. Like, it was electric. And anytime, like, the game was starting to get stale, them Eagle fans were letting in the head. Oh, you're like, boom. They deserve to be booed in one way. It was crazy. You know, but just to see, you know,

the defense bought out live. I told you that that interception was crazy. The two sacks from Nolan was crazy. and before the injury with Nacobie, he was playing out of his mind. And see that, you know, it was all over the place. In person, it was crazy. Like, shout out to the defense, man. Shout out of the special teams as well.

Absolutely. I thought. A lot of starters out of that. It was interesting. This was a change the Eagles made this week, knowing that it was the playoffs. They put a few extra defensive starters. I think I saw. Kenny Gainwell got a tackle.

Yeah, it was a big-time tackle. That was a huge tackle. He was down there ball in, man. And then we guys took it serious. And that's a very good kickoff returner, too, Kishon Nixon. Exactly. very much sort of turn the dial up there. It's also a good reminder of just like the way that special teams works

that you are usually playing with bottom of the roster players. Now there are some teams in the league who played defensive guys. I mean, even in 2017, like Malcolm Jenkins is playing every special team snap. So just the difference in quality there was notable. The other super chats to talk about, we have one from Aaron D. Who says if Nicopi Dean's injury is serious and goes into next season, do you think that increases the chances of bond getting a contract? That's a very good question.

How does that impact? And I think it does. I mean, if this is, knock on what, it's not. Right. But if it's like a torn ACL or something from NCOB Dean, then I think it does make you more willing to have to pay. I think so. I think so.

You can't go from an all pro linebacker to not, like you just, we felt what we lost with T.J. Edwards, right? Like it took it took a whole year plus to recover from that you can't I know it's going to cost you more But you're going to have to pay it and not only that but it would be and you know we don't want to talk all just about Nkobi but that would be three seasons that you basically lost from Nikobe right I mean where this would be the only one out of his first four years where he would be completely healthy He's coming off the the double that was list frank yeah yeah double list Frank last year in 2023 Liz is frank oh yeah the the double list Frank last year and And then if it was, it would be an ACL, that would be rough.

I had the Liz Frank once. And I used to be, yeah, I used to be like, oh, man, you're not playing because of a Liz Frank injury, these soft athletes. And then I got it and I wanted to cry every single morning when I woke up. It was like stepping on shards of glass. It was absolutely. The middle of the foot, right? Oh, absolutely awful stuff. Now, the devil's advocate would be, well, you know, Vic Fangio basically invented Zach Bonn out of thin air this year.

He could probably turn some other scrap. Pay that man is money. I mean, he deserves to get paid. No doubt about that. But I think you would be more willing to do that if you had Nicobi Dean. And I think that really does change the calculus, potentially. Pay that man is money. Yeah, I hope it's an all pro Eagles linebacker.

I said six weeks ago pay that man is money. We won't be talking about this. Yeah. Milton Williams is going to get paid. Yeah, yesterday's price is not today's price. How we can figure that. Michael Toma with a super chat just hooking us up. We love that.

Thank you, Michael Tom. he says I've never felt worse about a playoff win. Sure, yeah. That's a true Philadelphia right there. There has to have been a worse. Yeah, I can't think of one. I mean, I would say like, oh, definitively, yeah, I would definitely feel worse about that one. The Atlanta one was.

Yeah, but that was. But if Neil doesn't, you know, I don't know. Sure. But I don't think you were as let down by the performance in that felt. It was a backup quarterback versus your franchise. What do you remember about that game, that Falcons game, in the playoffs? I just remember it was too close for comfort. Yeah, it came down to the league.

It was too close for comfort. Jaylon Mills. Man, when that clock hit zero, I think we will also hype that. We already knew that we were going. We don't care who we played. You know, an all-mad team could have came in there. You know, because that was just too close for comfort. that that uh two that uh wednesday well i would say monday they could tuesday but that monday

going in there i want to say we got we still got chewed out it doesn't sound like dug yeah jim swore yeah yeah that makes my sense yeah oh yeah oh it's okay and then you know then we go over to play the vikins and then we play super bowl right and it's still too close for off of a little bit, which don't mean after that we won. It's funny, man. Man, good times, man, good time. All right.

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Standard rates apply after the promotional rate. Have any two great celebrations in this game from the Eagles, I thought? You had the, you had the Sequin after the personal file. Let's get it. It was kind of like I'm going to WrestleMania was kind of the vibe I got there.

And then let's talk about the interception. Let's talk about the interception. Take us through it. We should honestly we should get like a play by play. You draw this bad boy up. Take us through. He's going up. He's like, I got this. It's my first one. It felt like it took

three minutes and 42 seconds for the ball to come down. He's like where's CJ going to jump? Yeah, he's right. Where's that bastard? He catches the ball. He kicked somebody in the stomach, boom. I think was Reed. Put him in the pedigree.

Bough, I saw Jim Ross come out of there. Ah, I got it, but he put him in a pedigree. But now, all jokes aside, that pedigree celebration was sick. That was fantastic. Yeah, it was. A lot of chat are in the chat, Vinny. People want this jacket. Oh, that is nice.

So I got this jacket. I got this jacket. It's unbelievable. Listen, I got this jacket at chalk lock, so you guys could, you know, go on there and get the jacket. Turn a VC century. I've never seen a new one with a better jacket game. Yeah, it's a strong jacket.

I appreciate it. What were you going to say, Vinny? Fran. I found the video of the Quignan interception. I was to say I sent it over to you, Julia. The celebration is fantastic. I mean, one of the best celebrations here. You know that he's been thinking about it for like three months.

together with the AAA's theme song. It's time to play the game. I got to put that on my Twitter. It's time to play the game. We've got a few more super chats. We can discuss here. Tyco W-Y-D, just, you know, throwing it out there.

Love that. Jacob Tammy says, does Siriani get fired if they lose the next round? I mean, it would be funny, like, on the parade is going down Broad Street, and then all of a sudden, Jeffrey's like, you know, you're gone. I think that Nick is safe at this point.

I think at this point, probably. I think this was the only game that maybe there's some discussions. I think so. Michael Toma says, was this offensive game plan to minimize turnovers, which is a strength of the Packers defense? That's an interesting question. Did you think that the way things went in this game for end was sort of a cautious, try not to make mistakes game plan?

Or do you think that was just the way the things were going? I think from a decision-making standpoint, from the coaches side of it. I think once they jumped up 10-0, I think that the conservative nature certainly seemed to show up now. Who knows? We can't really,

obviously we can't answer that, whether they would have been that wave regardless, but I think the fact that they're able to jump out 7-0-0, you stole possession, and then you were able to jump out 10-0-0 after that. You could see after that you saw, was it a plus-territori punt? Or was it just shy of plus territory?

Just shy of 10-0 plus territory. We saw runs on turn long. punt it into the end zone. Right. Yeah, exactly. So you saw the runs on third one. I think it was plus territory. It was,

if he was plus, it was plus territory. Okay, yeah, that's what I thought. It was like the 46 or something like that. And it was fourth and five. And it's uncharacteristic. You know,

we have come to at this point to not expect them to be that way. So, yeah, I think the early lead kind of led them down. That one was interesting. It was seven nothing at that point. Yep.

And they had called that, that third and five swing pass to Sequinus. It was empty. He goes in motion. which, you know, I get the point of that play, but it did feel a little bit predictable. So then you punt there in plus territory. I think there was another decision that was a little,

I mean, there were several cowards draws in this game that probably were, like, let's just not make a mistake here. The Nick decision that you were laughing about, Fran, was the end of the game, it's 19 to 10, and they do the try to draw them off sides thing and then call time out for like a 30-yard field goal. Like, just take that. the penalty.

Just take the five yards at that point. We're that worried about Jake Elliott? I mean, he missed an extra point in this game. Yeah, you know, you might need that. Yeah, but you know, the people in Vegas are saying. Yeah. It was good to end the game with Jake seeing two field goals. Absolutely.

Shout out of Jake. You know. He was all smiles out of them two, too. I don't have been all spouse. I know. And the last one was dead center. Yeah. So that was a striped it.

Tyco, WID. What are the chances that AJ was injured and was just a decoy tonight? He seemed to be all smiles even with just a few targets. I think that's actually worth considering. And got a couple of nice blocks as well. Yeah, on the Geyler one, he was downfield really. On the Goddard one, on the Jalen Hertz run, the second drive of the game. Yes.

He had another one on a screens. He was very present as a blocker. I don't think it was a decoy. I just think that it's a playoff win. I mean, the presence of mind for him to bring that book. He's ahead of time. In the locker room, he has it with him on the sidelines every game. Okay.

So they asked him what he was like, because he was, it was purposeful. Like it looked like he was, he knew. He went to it like a dog-eared page of his favorite passage. But it also looked like he was, you know, spreading the word to, you know, his fellow. You think so? She was on there. Yeah, just trying to, you know, get guys. I think Jim Murphy, the author of said book is going to be very happy with his bank account at the end of today.

Let's take a. I mean, I would imagine. Everybody go on the record now. before we hear from Zach, has Zach already ordered the book? Yes. I think yes. With without a bit, I think that he has already ordered the book. I was going to say one of the chances he already owns it.

Zero. I would be surprised. 1799. I wouldn't be shocked. I wouldn't be shocked. He's going to sell out on Amazon and it's all going to go to the Delaware Valley. Zach will have finished this book before the week is over, I think. If I know my man.

All I know is if this book jumped and sells, My man better buy a couple of AJ Brown judges and donate to AJ's Brown Foundation. Inner Excellence, train your mind for extraordinary performance and the best possible life. How not to choke your quarterback. Tell everybody about the Zach quote tweet. Zach said when Chip Kelly was here, he quote tweeted our show account tweet and said in the summer of 2015, I read the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin because I learned that it was Chip Kelly's favorite. He said I didn't learn any insight to Chip Kelly.

He loves that story. But I did learn a lot about stoves. He loves that story. Oh, there you go. Okay, we'll get to that in a second. Santiago with a few more. Benjamin Franklin. A perfect.

All right. Santiago, he's a, thank you for the donation. He's back in the place that he belongs. Back to the doghouse. Thanks, Santiago. All right. Let's take a look at the,

the clip of the Quinyan Mitchell's celebration, Vinny. Take us through it again. Seeks out his man. Come through. Hit him in the summit. The crowd, oh, the pedigree. And the crowd goes down.

It's DeGene. It's DeGene. It's DeGine. It's DeGine. Do it with a chair? Yes, Lake him through the chair at the end. Oh! I got to say a terrible cell job from Dijin.

He goes down too easy. Oh, DeGine doesn't know to take a bump. He doesn't know to take a bump. What a bad cell. A lot to work on. Not quite as good of a cell as Dantavian Wix on the DPI against Wynettechle. Outstanding sell by him, I will say, down the field. You know what?

The reps were a little bit too litigious on both sides. I thought, like, that should not have been pass interference. I thought it could have been illegal contact. He did seek out contact. You know, the Sequin roughness on the sideline, like I get it, but that's a tough one. I mean, he was pretty far out of balance. It was outside the white. I think if it's in the white, we probably let that go.

The holding call on Devante Smith, I thought, was pretty weak. So, yeah, I mean, I don't know if they're getting paid by the flag or what, but not great. I can't get it. How bad? What a bad sell. They must have practiced that so many times. Cooper, come on. Oh, man.

Whoof. Guys busy in the playbook, man. He doesn't have time for that. But it still was a great thought. Good celebration. It's like, could I give it a little more. If you, Vinny, if you could do any finishing. move as a celebration.

Oh, what would it be? Probably a little bit of sweet chin music. Yeah, I mean, but can you get up with the sweet chin music? You got to tune the banner. You know, you know, everybody know when they're two the banners is, they're like, you know, but now, you know, the Uso is usually like a lot. You guys are speaking Greek to me.

Oh, I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, because you've got to think of one that, like, you can do without it actually do it. Like, you couldn't do like, you know, Cina's move because you can't just like, actually throw the guy off. I would do a stunner too, though. You could do a stunner, you could do a stunner for sure.

I mean, you could do, you could do a sharpshooter. I'm not really a submission guy. Okay. It's not as, it's not as good for that. You don't like a submission? I like the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, the storytelling of you got to work the leg, the whole match and finally get them or work the back to get ready for the sharpshooter. Like, I don't know, it's kind of fun.

But it doesn't come out of nowhere. Sweet chin music answer. You said that's a good one. You could do like a macho man elbow I'm too I'm my big ass and I get it at a time row Who was that one wrestler that did the ass celebration Rafiki or whatever?

Rakishi, yeah, Rakesha, yeah. You could do that. You could ass face one of your teammates. You could do like a Legion of Doom thing You get one guy up on the shoulders That would be dope. But then I guess that's tough to actually pull off. Yeah.

And now you're talking props. Yeah. I guess you could do, I mean you could do you could do Undertaker. Toombs, I'll probably break somebody in a neck for real. They're wearing the helmet already. Like somebody goes in the concussion protocol because he got tombstone. DDP with the diamond cutter?

Yeah, that's a nice one. That's a nice one. That's all I got. He said triple-ch responded to Twitter. Triple-A responded. Did he see that? Did he really? I'll have to pull it up.

I'll send it to Julia. That's funny. All right, Vin, I have the snapcouts for you. I didn't even know it was a triple-H thing. From the defense here as I pull it up. 60 snaps overall in the game for the Eagles defense. Zach Bonn and Quinion Mitchell play all 60 snaps. C.J. Garner Johnson and Reed Blankenship play 59.

58 of 60 snaps for Jalen Carter. So back on that pace of playing almost every snap. 54 for Cooper to Jean. Eagles were in 11 personnel or a nickel personnel for most of this game. 52 for Slay and Nolan Smith. 48 for Josh Schwett. 41 for Milton Williams. 32 for Oren Berks. 22 for Nicobie Dean.

18 for Morrow Ajama 18 for Jalick's Hunt 13 for Isaiah Rogers 12 for Jordan Davis one for Avanti Maddox one for Bryce Huff one snap one snap

they didn't need him no I mean they didn't have there were a lot of drives that were short drives in this game you know like that that does make sense but yeah I don't I don't think they saw what they wanted to see in week 18 from from Bryce off which honestly is fair Okay

Basically no blitzing from the Eagles said Two two blitzes 5.6% lowest of any team in the playoffs so far I'm just starting to go through some of these other Do they have man zone yet or is it too No they do give me one second I can give it to you because the story coming into this game Was that the Packers offense Much better against zone

Much worse against man Especially with no Christian Watson But the book on the Eagles is they are they are more heavy zone And certainly much less Blitz and the Packers were not good against the blitz and so the question was would Vic Fangio change the structure

of the defense to match what the weaknesses of the opponent was or would he stick with what they're good at? 13.9% man coverage so basically no man it's a whole bunch of zone against this receiving core that's the second lowest of any team in the playoff so far

and it looks like it was mostly that was like yeah 56% cover four again the coverage stuff can change from as they start to go through the all 22 but so far 56% cover four according to next gen stats there you go 86% by the way on the Bryce off thing really a credit to the front office that you can whiff on your big free agent move and be this good you know like not many teams can afford to yeah on a 17 million dollar d-end and it unfortunately was a whiff this year it's fair and it's a good case for this whole season is a good case for player development right absolutely the eagles are are very proud of their their player development they think that they do some kind of barowings the baron's

yeah i think they do some differentiated stuff it's hard to really know how much is to that from the outside but you you'll you talk about nolan smith um you know nicobi dean for one in this game i think it also says a lot about what what the eagles would say is a big improvement in like position coaches from from last season yes yeah i mean when you look at uh you know what bobby king at linebacker what mcdon or um christian parker parker thank you uh has done in the secondary i think when you look at both of those coaches in particular uh a lot to like about what they've done with their respective groups how did you get macdonald dk oh okay yeah yeah that makes more sense last year's coached with kansas state it's good that it's not beat

K McDonald's because then it's like Burger King and McDonald's together like that's it's it's too much in at odds with it so of his wife's name was Wendy we really Fran is quick man franz good isn't there free Big Macs for Eagles wins after you get a sack I think they yeah no Smith got people free big masks you got two there we go uh what's that what's going on in that in another the game right now so uh they bucks as of right now are still up three nothing but the commanders drove one for it on fourth got stopped instead of taking the three points to tie it okay now they're driving again the offense is moving the ball in the box right interesting jane daniels he terrifies me one more thing you know um resigning and zach but we also need to resign um mccah becton

yeah i thought he had the pro bowl season though you got josh sway you got milton williams you got beckton you got bond i thought it was very good i think that this is the one where the Eagles are most willing to let him go potentially. Now, we'll see how it plays out because I also think that this is the one where McKaybackin is probably most likely to be willing

to take a little bit of a discount to come back because he's seen what it's like elsewhere and he also had a first round pick contract. I think from the Eagles perspective, they're going to have to extend Cam Juergen soon. And so if you're going to pay top of the market for left

tackle, right tackle, left guard and center? Do you need to pay for a right guard when, like, you know that you have Stout lend you and you invested in Steen? And this guy's playing between Juergens and Lane anyway. I think the way to sell it would be if, is if Stout thinks, and Fran has made this point, if Stout thinks that Mackay can be a right tackle after Lane

retires. Oh, right. I put my money on Stout. Only offensive line in the NFL. All five guys got all pro votes. Wow. I mean, that's wild. Yeah.

I mean, Stoutland's locked up for life, right? Like give him 1% of the ownership, something. That man can never leave. He's the highest paid assistant position coach in the NFL. We know that. There's no cap on coaches, right? Pay him more. Yeah, I mean, I think he probably, he probably does.

What do you think about Mackay Beckton moving forward? I would say, yeah, if we're talking between Bonn, Milton, and Mackay. And sweat. Yeah, that's true. It's a good point, too. Yeah. We haven't talked enough about all, all four are probably a similar type of price range in terms of what you're probably looking at.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would say all four are probably going to be in that same price range. And if I had to guess, I shouldn't do this because I know we have an offseason game coming up in a couple weeks where we're going to be ranking these. But well, maybe not for another month. Yeah, true. Yeah, we still got three more playoff games to go.

I would say most likely to come back. It's probably, honestly, post-Den injury, it's probably bought at this point. I would say least likely. I mean, I guess it depends on sweat and like how much of that is like burned bridge at this point. That's not done. But after that it would probably be Bechtin for the reasons you outlined. I think that Milton would be a little bit more likely. Although with the way that Morrow has played, he popped again tonight.

He drew a holding call in the run game. He's been disruptive. But I think that they value the homegrown guys. I think they'd want to pay Milton and try and keep him here too. I think Milton is the one though. of that group who could get just a crazy offer that they can't afford to match. Right.

See, and I think, you know, as good as Milton been playing all season, you gotta put Jordan Davis on the field. That's just, you know. Jordan Davis played 12 snaps tonight. Yeah, well. Miltzun played 41. But y'all know how this go. Year three, your ass is on the seat.

I don't know that we've seen him in the passing game. Yeah, 12. 12 snaps in a game where you knew Green Bay was trying run the ball. That's surprising. I would have expected more. I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to help you.

He wants to love this. snaps. I mean, a Jama played 18 snaps. Jeez. I don't know. By the way, commanders are driving inside the 10

in the red zone here. What's the score right now? Three nothing still. Okay. They just picked up the first. Let's talk about just sort of the flow of this game a little bit. You know,

obviously it starts. You get the kickoff fumble on the opening. kick off of the game. They three plays, they score touchdown. And you're thinking, okay, you know, here we go. This is going to be a route. You said to Jamie, like, late first quarter that you wanted to remind you.

I was, look, you know, those things. He did the thing where he's like, um, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not going to say it. No, no, no, no. It was just me and Jamie at the desk and we're sitting there and I'm like, I'm going to say it. And I was like, you know what? I'm not going to say this. I'm not going to manifest. And I was like, come on.

They can't do that. So put out. the game that it reminded me of was the 2002 NFC championship game January 2003 against the Tampa Bay Bucks the last game at the vet where Brian Mitchell gets the long kick return it's a big special teams play offense scores fast

I jump out 7-0 and then it was kind of listless after that you kept the other team in the game and then Tampa Bay comes back and wins and then you obviously get right you have Joe Joravis and Ronde Barber so to me like that in the first half that's what this game started to feel like a little bit was like illegal That's still one of the nastiest catches. He's still running.

Bishop still chasing after him. And Blaine was hurt. Fortunately, it wasn't like that. What's that? He said fortunately, it didn't turn out quite like that. That was the game that it reminded me of as it was progressing through the first half. Commanders touchdown, but there's a flag on the field. Okay.

But I think it's on the defense. So Eagles go up seven nothing. The defense forces a punt again, a three and out. Eagles punt from the 47. We talked about fourth and five. Eagles defense forces another punt. Eagles get a field goal where they stall in the red zone go up to nothing and then from there on out the Eagles next four possessions go punt punt punt punt yeah with one first down across

four possessions I mean in the middle of this game were you feeling pretty squeaky bum yeah I mean late into the third quarter Jalen Hertz at 39 passing yards I was I was like a duck I was calm on the surface and below the water I was freaking the hell out. I was panicked. Just like crushing Buffalo chicken pizza. Well, I mean, in fairness, it is Angeles.

Shout to Angeles. I mean, I'm very full right now. Yeah, I ate way too much. Two for 11 on third down. And that's not one of those. Oh, yeah, but then they went four for four. No, no, no. Two for 11 on third down and they went one for one on fourth down.

It was not a good game. Not a good game offensive. Yeah, I mean, just the numbers in this game, total net yards, 302 for the Packers, 290 for the Eagles, basically the same. They had the same amount of plays from scrimmage, 60 and 57. They both had five yards per play. Like, the numbers of this game was dead even, except for the four turnovers that the Eagles force on defense.

And that's why we're standing here talking about going to the divisional round. So we talked about the teams that you would feel comfortable. And I think a lot of it has been framed around defensive coordinators. But let's talk through offensive mind quarterback combinations. Okay. All right. So power rank Liam Cohen, Baker Mayfield, Cliff Kingsbury, Jaden Daniels. Well, you can't play them until the, but.

Oh, yeah. I don't know why I keep saying them. It's okay. Kevin O'Connell, Sam Darnold, or McVeigh, Stafford. Yeah, those are pretty good. Right. I mean, I think you got to put Darnold third with O'Connell. Right.

I think you have to. You have to. You got to give McVeigh and Stafford. effort they're due probably one probably one when you know the most dangerous group the box wide receiver group is nasty so I make Mike Evans is a freak yeah he is I'd probably go Rams one bucks to rams one bucks to Vikings three but I could be talked into a one Justin Jefferson Jordan Addison yeah I could be talked into a one two flip-flop and then the Vikings Justin Jefferson yeah I mean Justin Jefferson is like you

know good enough to not make it matter that you have to think he would go through a playoff game with two targets No, but I will tell Justin Jefferson that we got Darius Slade. Quinn, you made this case, it was just like a throwaway note in your notes on the Eagles. And, you know, when you did the scatter report on the Eagles in week 18, that like, I think Slay's season is going a little bit underrated because. No question. He's been really good. He's been really good.

I mean, he does not run as well, like straight line, like deep speed as the, as he did when he first got here. but he's playing so well on the ball. He's playing downhill really, really well. He's seeing things really well from a zone stable, which we've come to expect. I mean, he's always, like, recognized routes well. The route instincts are always A plus. But to me, like when we talk about Quignan

and Cooper DeGine and, you know, C.J. Gardner Johnson's interceptions and what the defense has done, I feel like Slay just kind of gets brushed to the side. He's been really, really good. He's been very physical. Yes. Yeah. It's been a very good.

And he's another player who, like, you would look at the contract and think that this is his last year. here, which I think it probably still is, but I could see it. Not necessarily. He was willing to take it. I could see them trying to tweak that and keep him around.

I would see honestly, it's up to him obviously, but I could see him wanted to stay. Like, why would you want to restart anywhere else at this point? And we mentioned it during the halftime show, but Isaiah Rogers. Huge play. Huge play because Jordan Love checked out of a run to go test the kid as soon as Sleigh went out.

And Rogers, if he doesn't break up that touch, because that's a touchdown. If he doesn't break that up, it's a totally different. game. Completely. You got to overlap with Slay, right? Yeah. Is he as funny as people say? Yeah, he's hilarious.

And his wife make the best banana poet. I've heard about this. Zach Berman has written about it. Let me tell you something. I used to be sitting there like, come on, Slate, you put mine to the cut.

And she did a cool thing she was giving out tickets to today's game, which she always does on Twitter, which is very cool. Yeah, nah, man. What makes it so? good. I just...

Man, all that's in there, I don't know. I don't know. It's just good. I believe, if I remember from Zexter, it was originally like Golden Tate's Wipes' recipe. No, I'm serious. Yeah, right. I think that's where they were in Detroit

together, right? Yeah. It could be wrong. Seinfeld's got the bit where it's like, you know, whatever's delicious in this world, the answer's always cinnamon. So maybe she's sneaking some cinnamon in there. Or just sugar. A lot of sugar. Vanella. That's my dad, Banana. Secret.

You sneak a little vanilla in the pancake butter. Absolutely. It's in a jar. It's like it's crazy. Even the, like a little mason jar? The production and presentation on that thing is good.

Like, damn. Fantastic. A few more super chats as we hear from you. Mike, shouting it out. Love that. And Tyco says, where do the chat?

Oh, no, this was the one from before from AJ potentially being injured in a decoy tonight. So yeah, I mean, we didn't talk about AJ and Devante hampered coming into this game. Devante in the middle of this game, there were like two big plays where it was the third and short. Yep. Where the offense had not been moving.

And they go to that sort of classic Eagles play just flipped the side of it. And they find Devante open in space. And then after his penalty, there was another big play play from Devante. Yeah. So there was a play action rollout. The first one you mentioned it was on third and short, third and three. It goes for 29 yards. your basic run-of-the-mill, play-action bootleg.

And then the next play, or two plays later, they went to him for 10 yards on just a quick hitch to the outside. The over-under, all my best bets, was 56.5. He got to 55. Oh. Fell just short. But the number still added up there in terms of zone coverage. Devante Smith, man-to-man, A.J. Brown.

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I bring it to every game and I read it between each drive. I use it to refocus and lock in despite what may transpire in the game good or bad. People tend to create controversy when they don't know the truth. And it's a couple. I'm not going to read it all, but as you can see there, I'll send it to Julia. Looks like there's about, you know, probably about two paragraphs worth that are underlined and highlighted. on page two, Zach Berman.

So you can start, you get the good stuff early. Oh, really? It looked like he was in the middle of the book. Yeah. Interesting. Uh,

the first line is, we all had times when everything comes together in perfect harmony, sacred moments when we were totally imminent in the experience and felt fully alive.

You should do that guy's audio book. Yeah, I want to, yeah, I want to, Jim Murphy just got paid today. Jim Murphy might be happier than any,

Eagles fan right now. I got to find the A. You want to find this. Yeah, AJ just tweeted it. Not, uh, do I not have the right AJ Brown Twitter account? It's okay.

It's 1K always open. That's what I thought. Always. Always open. So Dallas Goddard finishes four catches, 47 yards in a touchdown. That's now seven straight playoff games with at least four catches for,

uh, or for, yeah, that's, yeah, for Dallas Goddard. Most by an Eagles player, uh,

since 1970. Only Travis Kelsey and Tyrie Kill have longer active streets. I don't know I would have guessed that I never would have guessed that Dallas got her also second in Eagles franchise history in touchdown catches in the postseason

What? Crazy second Second behind only Harold In really what That's wild That is bonkers He's the only player with a With a receiving touchdown

In each of the last three playoffs So I guess last year when they had In that game when they had no AJ wasn't in it Right Yeah I don't know That's crazy though. I mean, they haven't had a lot of sustained playoff runs with the same offense.

Like, you know, even in the early 2000s, it was different personnel. Right. And then the Super Bowl run, Nick spread it around a little. Yeah, but they only made, they only ever played one game. They never won a playoff game for other years. I guess that makes sense. Yeah. I would not.

Julia has the results of the poll, and it looks like it is definitely, yeah, it's going to finish with the Rams at the top. 55% you guys want to see the Rams and then the bucks and then the Vikings. They kind of own McVeigh a little bit, just like they own the Packers. I'll say the Eagles just straight up own the Packers. I mean, they do. They own the Packers. All the way back to 1960 on their asses.

My first ever game, 10-9, Chris Boney. I thought you're going to say 1960. That's who you guys want to see. I'll tell you who I want to see. I want to see Zach Burman. Let's bring him in now. The Eagles Insider now, Zach. We didn't get to see Nick Siriani, so we want to hear what he said.

We want to hear everything you learned in the locker room, but we do have to start. We have a little bit of a bet here. Our question is, have you already placed your order for that AJ Brown book? I've not placed my order yet, but I am eager to read it. I'm eager to chat with AJ about it. I'm always curious what players are reading. I once read Chip Kelly's favorite book in the summer of 2015 to try to learn more about Chip, as I like to say,

it was the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin. I learned nothing about Chip. I learned a lot about stoves. So, and I often ask players what they're reading. I wish, I wish for my sake that he was reading the franchise or underdogs. I could have, you know, he's a little bit of a national TV bump. No, yeah, I could have used a national TV bump there. but no, AJ said after the game, he said he does this all the time.

The players on the team, his teammates call it the recipe book because he's in it so often. He said it just so happened that the TV cameras caught it. But this is like, you know, this is something that he goes to fairly often. So he was laughing about it. If you are seeing an AJ Brown interview on TV or our social media channels during the next few days and you see like my book in the in the background there maybe because i'll try to slip him a book this week but uh no in all in all seriousness he he said that it's it's it's not a big deal something he he he does fairly often very interesting uh very cool so yeah give us the uh the big

takeaways thank you veni from the locker room from your vantage point sack what was the what was the vibe yeah it was a very business like um vibe if you will it was you know The offensive players were acknowledging this. This wasn't pretty, like Lane Johnson. Lane Johnson was a truth teller there. But it doesn't matter. As Lane said, this game won't get good Yelp reviews for them, but they won't. And his point being, like, it wasn't pretty, but survive in advance to use that term.

It was really the defense that stood out. You know, this is the fewest points the Packers have scored all season. And the defense excelled. I understand Green Bay was undermanned, but especially a wide receiver. But there was a lot of shine on the way Nolan Smith played a lot of shine on the way. Zach Bond played a lot of shine on the way Quignan Mitchell played. You know, Jayhwin Hertz says he owes Quinyon Mitchell something after the interception. Now, I thought this was going to be something like spicy, juicy or, you know,

some designer bag that you might own, Bo. But that's a call back to the presence last year, dear. Remember when you said you would like that bag, the Louis Vuitton bag? But no, it's actually just an Instagram shoutout was all that he owes. Although Jay-Oen once said that he doesn't control his social media channel. So someone's going to have to put out the Instagram shout-out for Coyne Ha-Mitchell. But Zach Bond, this has been a big week for Zach Bond, making first team all pro, and then has this performance in the postseason.

He said it was a crazy week. Nolan Smith and I'll have a story on this later this this this week I spoke booked to no one about this a few weeks ago but like when he was talking about like what's going through his mind after a game like this he's like I'm supposed to be on the docks right now working the graveyard shift a reference to his hometown and since in savannah Georgia so uh no one smith a huge game two sacks and lane Johnson said like he loves no one this is everyone knows about no one's athleticism but but no one's really coming on and as a pass rusher and specifically referenced the way he rushed against Zach Tom, who Lane thinks is one of the best

right tackles in the NFL. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, we talked about it. It was an absolutely impressive performance from Nolan Smith. Were you there for Nick, Zach? No, I did not go to Nick today. I'm going to have to listen to Nick back. I was really trying to work the room today here, a bunch of different perspectives. You know, there's, there wasn't like a hot button decision with Nick that I felt I needed to ask him on. So really, I was trying to take the temperature in the locker room. And yeah, I should also add that there was a lot of sentimentality or if that's the right term for the Nekobi Dean injury, right?

Players praying for him, Jacoby's in their thoughts, a lot of talk about how important he is to this team. And it's pretty clear that Niko is going to miss some time here, right? So, yeah, that's something that came up quite a bit. And Nolan Smith was saying that he was there praying with Nkobi. He tried to get Nikobe up. Nikobe couldn't get up. He came to see Nikobe in the locker room.

He said that, and, you know, Vinny understands us. He says, people say it's just football, but this is their livelihood, right? So how much it pains him to see Nicopi down like this? that. Yeah, it's a brutal one. And for a guy who has who has already fought through so much in a young career and was and was excelling this season, it is, it is pretty brutal. And you can understand why it would affect the guys, especially with so many guys who have played with him for so long. What did you make, Zach of just the, you know, the incredible defensive performance forcing three turnovers, one more on special teams? How proud was that group of what they were able

to do against the Packers? Yeah, I would say proud, but I would also say unsurprised. Like that group, you know, the question was posed to Darius Lay about the way they played against the Packers. And he's like, do you know what? We were ranked this year. And, you know, the person was like in the top 10. He's like, top 10, we were number one, you know? So it's a group that expects to play this way.

and that's from talking to I spoke to about six guys on the defense today. I was going around the locker room because one of my stories is going to be on the defense. And it was interesting to hear just the way they talk about Vic Fangio, just like a mastermind of scheme and adjustments of putting them in the right spots.

So that came up. Even like Zach Bond was saying that he said the interception for him was like his dream interception. But he said he's going to lament he had some mistackles tonight that are really going to bother him. You know, he said number eight, Josh Jacobs is real difficult player to tackle. But he said the interception itself was like for him, it was like the perfect interception just because of like the way he was able, you know, the way Fangio trust him to make certain adjustments throughout the play that given the situation, given the way he intercepted it. And early in the year, he didn't have Fangio's trust.

Like when the season started, he didn't have Fangio's trust to make that type of adjustment on the play and on the ball. And I asked him when and how he got that trust. And he said he doesn't know when. He's like he would have to think about it. He said it just kind of happened. and but he it you know he's it's interesting hearing bond because i for the this is the cool thing about my role here is is like i you every week is like a chapter in the season right so i remember

vividly being in brazil talking to zach bond in that locker room and mind you at the time zach bonn was i don't want to say like the surprise starter but this unknown starter there was like only two of us talking to zach bonn he plays this a moment. amazing game. And it's like, wow, Zach Bond, you know, can you believe this? Can you believe this? And now here he is, uh, 18 or 18 weeks later. And first team all pro, he's like, he's like, he might be, he's not the best player in the defense, but like one of the two best players in defense, one of the three best players in defense, one of the best players in the NFL this season. And he's basically saying, you know, like he's not putting a limit on, on what he can do.

And he's not putting, he said this is his first year playing inside linebacker. So there's, there's a lot left for him to get to. And so it's interesting how it was like a surprise 18 weeks ago. And now it's the expectation that Zach Bond has this huge interception. Because when you consider game flow, that was a big play in the game. If Green Bay scores before half, things look a little different perhaps. And all over the field, and the Kobe goes down, Zach Vaughn's wearing the green dot. So it says a lot about Zach Wands' evolution,

the type of game that he had tonight. And you know me, I'm always a sucker for narratives. This is a guy from Milwaukee doing it against the Packers. I remember him pointing that out to me in Brazil. And when I asked him this week, he was like, he didn't really follow the Packers. He actually followed the 49ers. He liked Colin Kaepernick.

He said he kind of like sticking it to the Packers, but he's not a real big football, or he wasn't a big Packers fan growing up. He was getting those questions tonight. And he's like, yeah, it didn't matter to me that it was the Packers. So, yeah, he's just, this is the expectation for Zach Bond at this point. So, Zach, not locker room specific, but what did you make of the quarterback's performance tonight? I thought he started off really well, you know, six for six, the opening drive there, you know, them getting points,

and then just went into a prolonged lull. And I thought that he was, in case. He was certainly inconsistent, right? I mean, there was that one point there where he had seven consecutive incompletions. I thought he missed AJ, and he pointed this out. He missed AJ on a pass that he should have hit him on. And I thought they just could have done more. There was just a lack of rhythm.

Now, Jayland said he had to watch the film. He said he didn't necessarily feel rusty from it. He also said it doesn't matter how you win. It's just winning. He was kind of spinning it. Like this is a big, you know, he's never won a wild card game before. He said, and it's been a long time since Philly has won a wild card game. So he pointed that part out.

But it was, yeah, my read on it, this was not the type of game that it will take to beat Detroit. This was not the type of game that it might take to beat Minnesota next week. Or, you know, we'll see. What's the scored in Tampa, Washington? I mean, I said it. Yeah, yeah. Three right now. Yeah, so, I mean, I mean, maybe Tampa next week, right?

Maybe the Rams, right? We'll see. But I actually think that next week's game might be a little easier than this week's game. I'll frame it this way. Yeah, yeah, I'll put it this way. Jalen will need to play much better to beat Detroit on the road. And I think if you had an honest conversation with Jalen, he would probably admit as much to up there. He wasn't saying it.

But I don't think he played he played well. I think he played well enough. And what I mean by that is, and he referenced this, he didn't turn the ball over tonight, right? Jordan Love, you know, threw the ball to the Eagles twice, or three times, three times, right? And so that, right, you know, right there in a close game, that matters. And it's not pretty.

You don't want to kind of put the game manager label on it. I thought he did enough, but he, He needs to be better. Zach, earlier this season, we could not get you to do the Cooper Dejean celebration. Can we get you to do the Seekwon? Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, okay.

Is that like a thing to Sequin? So by the way, yeah, I'm pretty sure that the Cooper of the Gene celebration has like meaning to it that I probably don't want to, yeah, put it out there. Right? So I don't want to do the Cooper of the Gene celebration. The Sequin, what is it like this? Yeah. I'm pointing, I'm pointing here. The PhDLY studio is that way.

How about that? Not bad. Pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't get a chance to catch up with Sequin. I was eager to do so, but he was talking at the same time as AJ. And I knew the listeners wanted to know all about the book.

Absolutely. I saw our friend, Shio Capadia, when I was on the elevator, I saw a tweet from Shiel saying like 30 years from now, this game's going to be remembered as the game when like AJ was reading the book. And it's funny because like that, that's not how it shows. It's why it's important for me to be in touch with what people who are watching on TV are following because if you're at this game, that's not this huge story, right? But if you're at home, it's probably a bigger deal, right?

And so it's not something that I thought was a huge. huge deal, but I guess, yeah, he was laughing it off. His teammates were laughing it off. Janwin was asked about it, and Jaywin said that he's, he's seen him carry the book around. He hasn't seen him read it on the sideline before, but he says everyone has their own ways of kind of getting focused. AJ talked about there's a specific passage in the book early on that is like particularly

meaningful to him that he thinks is important for his mental stability out there. He tweeted it out, Zach. He can read all about it. Zach, if you had to read... Yeah, he tweeted out the actual quotes that he reads. Okay, awesome. Awesome. I like AJ. He's real like that. If you, Zach, had to read a book as you were covering a game in the press box, that, you know, books you have written excluded, what would it be to get you to lock in? Oh, to get me to lock in.

Benjamin. So, I was talking like journalism. What's that? What's that? What's that? Vinnie said the Benjamin Franklin an autobiography.

Yeah. I mean, I got to tell you. I remember it was the summer of 2015, and I'm sitting at the beach, and my wife was then, my fiance, was like, what are you reading? And I'm like, the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin.

She's like, why are you reading the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin? Franklin. I was like, well, Chip Kelly's favorite book. And she just rolled her eyes. I mean, she probably knew then what she was getting into. But, the first of many rolled eyes, I would imagine. Yes. Yeah, many rolled eyes. So what would I read to kind of get me into, there's, there's so many. So I would probably go to non-journalism. I would probably go with, you know, Adam Grant has some good books. Think Again is a good book that I recommend. It's kind of the art of rethinking, which has always been valuable, I would say. Shout out to Adam Grant. I don't think

Adam Grant's watching this, but he's someone whose books I really enjoy. I like thinking fast and slow. That's a good one. You know, I can mention a Malcolm Gladwell book or two, but Bo would roll his eyes. I like, you know, Dick Schaps' book flashing before my eyes is a, is a memoir that kind of gets me in like a good, you know, writing flow sometimes. But I would probably say, yeah, maybe, you know what, actually, I would go with grit by Angela Duckworth. That's, that's, that's what I would read.

Grit by Angela Duckworth. Shout out to Angela Duckworth as well. she's also outstanding she's a diehard we appreciate her her support uh would you say that's amazing yeah of course she's a big she's a big charlie o'connor fan loves the flyers of course shout out to amazon as am i as of i and your local book shot out to bill as well yeah oh yeah awesome job on the post game show bill enjoyed it yeah bill said he bought 50 copies he's gonna hawk him for 30 bucks a pop in the parking lot next week i mean that's just good business yeah i mean smart yeah i don't know if the park can watch the crowd for that, but you never know.

Zach, earlier this season, after that Saints game, you said it was the best play of Dallas Goddard's Eagles career. Would you say that the touchdown tonight surpassed it? Great question. Probably significance. Yes, you would say that. I still think that the play in New Orleans, they lose that game if she doesn't make that play. He may lose that game. But yeah, tonight, that was awesome. He was just running wide open. He broke one tackle, had two stiff arms.

It's the context of that game. Vante Smith, A.J. Brown are out of the game. They're in, what, a third in 16 or third and 12? And he has a catch that, you know, they had only, they had scored or they had not had much of an offensive life that game. But yeah, this one did the fact that he caught the ball. You know, when people are running after you, that's doing something, right? These guys, you know, I know you're a hell of an athlete. This is a crazy tank, I think.

No. Oh, I know you were a great athlete, but when NFL players are chasing you, that's doing something. Okay? That's not like, it's not easy. That said, tonight is more, this is a playoff game. And by the way, you talk about some weekends. At that time, Green Bay had just made it a one score game. Yeah.

The Eagles had five consecutive. hunts, four, three, and outs. They needed some type of offensive momentum. Not DeVante had a big series there, but Dallas's touchdown was huge. So, yeah, tonight was the biggest, well, he also caught a touchdown in the Super Bowl, right? So Zach, off of that, a little trivia for you.

Can you name the second all-time touchdown leader in Eagles playoff history? Yeah, Dallas got her. Yeah. Sharp. I mean, context clues. You don't have to like pump your chest out like you. Yeah.

I got to say, no, this is this is not meant to be like this is not meant to be passive aggressive. I'm just giving this for content. Oh, here it comes. That's going to be good. No. So typically when I come on for a show, I'm in like the waiting area for like 10 minutes before I, before I'm brought on.

So I actually heard the conversation that Fran had when Fran said that. Yeah. So, yeah. So that's, that's, uh, I heard Fran bring that up. All right. I thought it was going to have to do with my pink shirt. Yeah. Yeah.

How do you feel, are you, uh, are you judging Fran for wearing a, uh, very handsome pink shirt here? Once again, I am not, I never judge anyone for wearing pink. Everyone has different. I respect everyone's different styles. I simply say it's not my style. That's like saying, if I, if I, if I, Come on. Yeah.

Now, you know, Fran and I have a different style, but Fran pulls that off well. I will say, Fran, on the monitor, it feels like it looks a little more purple than it looks pink in person. Do you feel like, I feel like there's a slightly different color change on the monitor.

Yeah, you might be right about that. Just looking at it now. But I'm regretting the tie, the white tie kind of feels that a little bit too. I went from the tie to match the shoes. I was hoping to get a drippy comment. I actually, I think it looks better. I would definitely do the tie with the white shoes.

Keep the tie with the white shoes. It looks better in person. I feel like the coloring of the screen is not doing it justice. I'll do my best. Zeeb. Thank you. Thank you. Some more color.

It means a lot. Seriously, really. Yeah. Now, you pull it off. I always say what Jalen Hertz said. It's the person that makes the style, not the style that makes the person, right? There were people in the chat. if you've made use of your new house shoes.

Yes, and I was going to thank people on Monday show. I truly appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely. I've been wearing those things around. They're actually by the door. So it's my reminder. When I come in the house, I take my shoes off, I put those on. They're great.

I'm truly grateful. Truly grateful. Seriously. I'm not wearing the pink ones. I'm wearing the black ones. Wait, so a few. It's just some color here from the locker room. the Delaware State head coach

Sean Jackson was in the locker room Yeah So was Joey the kid was in the locker room Was this little starting with him? What's that? Yeah Yeah

Yeah With the little guy was he with him? Once again that's all relative Right like you know that guy Yeah the guy that guy was there In the Eagle uniform Yeah So he was in there

he's not that I mean I'm not that much taller than him right so I I can't say that but yeah he was he was he was in there Nick Siriani daps him up as well he was trying he was going around saying hello to the players so he was there yeah so there is uh on the coolest part of the game was on at one point in the second half Vinnie curry was put on the scoreboard which was awesome right like got a huge cheer uh I was on Instagram at one point, Vinny working the parking lots was like all over my feed. So people were excited about that. That was cool to see.

There were a lot of former Eagles in the house tonight. Tell them to subscribe. Amen. Yeah, let's hit a thumbs up. Let's hit a subscribe. Tell a friend. Tell a neighbor. Yeah.

Yeah. So I was actually, you know, the Eagles had when they had Vinnie up there, it had former Eagle Vin and Gary, which is true. I would have like slash P-H-L-Y co-host, you know, would be an awesome. That would have been good, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Next week. Yeah, we'll work on that.

We'll talk to people there. Lane Johnson was asking what the scenarios would be for, you know, who they would play. So they're eager to see. I think he thought they were playing the winner of the Washington, Tampa Bay game. So, you know, we had to explain the receding part of it. Yeah. So there's, you know, there's curiosity about who they're going to play.

Zach, who do you want? We did a poll. Most people want the Rams won. Who do you think is the best opponent? Yeah. So I know people want to avoid Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay, I think the Eagles can beat Tampa Bay. I mean, I think Tampa Bay is the worst of those three teams, if I'm being honest with you.

So I would say Tampa Bay. That said for me personally, I want a Sunday game. So I would rather have Washington win tonight. And then the winner of tomorrow's game, it just makes for better content this week. There's like intrigue about tomorrow night's game. And you kind of get, you guys know this. Vinny knows this better than all of us. like football,

coaches in particular, but even some players get weird on short weeks, right? They act like one fewer day, like changes everything. You know, these guys are so routine-oriented. And so I kind of like when players are

and coaches are in the Sunday and Sunday routine. It helps more for like the flow of the locker room. So that would be my preference. But for the Eagles, I think Taffay is the worst of the worst of the three teams they could see. And from the Eagles perspective, even if Tampa is the worst of the teams, if you get a day's rest advantage over the other teams, it's sort of makes up for it.

All right. Any final thoughts, Zach, before we let you go? Yeah, I mean, big win for the Eagles. Like I said, style points wasn't there. I thought Lane put it well. This isn't good for their Yelp review. But I thought the story to go to the game was the defense. Curious to see what happens in the next three to 24 hours about the opponent next.

the NCOB Dean injury felt strong. I imagine Oren Berks will be the replacement there going forward. I wonder if we'll see a little bit of Trotter mixed in, though, because we saw them do that. That's what I was wondering. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. No, no, no, you're absolutely right. That's what they did the game that Kobe missed.

And then Kobe played 15 games, missed the Cowboys game. Yeah, went back and forth there. I should say, I don't know if you've mentioned this. Nolan Smith played special teams tonight. He was pumped up about that. He thought that was, he's like he's a football player. he gets to play more football. One other thing,

Jaywin Hertz said that, you know, so Jaywin was asked, he was asked on Friday about what he learned during his time away. And he's like, I'll tell you guys at another time.

Okay. So I was wondering, like, but there's something really deep or profound. And he said today that he was asked about Nicopa. He said, one of the things he learned was the bond of the Jewish

Georgia players and how much that's affecting the defense and how like the confidence those guys bring, the way they play with it with each other, how big that is for the team. And he says it's kind of like the Alabama guys, but he really sees it on that unit with the Georgia guys. And I thought that was interesting insight from Jalen. And certainly, you know, the Eagles are in a situation now where they have six guys from that Georgia defense. So that, I thought that was a good thing. So I thought that was an interesting observation from the franchise quarterback. All right, very interesting. All right, Zach, we look forward to reading what you write on all p.chly.com,

become a diehard, if you are not. So you can read that. And we will talk to you tomorrow, my friend. Go ahead. Can I crowdsource real quick? I'm going to ask you guys, I've got one story coming up on the defense. Do you think readers want a story on AJ Brown's reading? Because I got a lot on it.

Do you think that's a lot on it? You have a lot on it. You think that's an empty the notebook, baby. Tap into the what's viral. If you're not right, then you're reading it, Zach. You're absolutely right. There you go. Okay, so two stories coming up.

The defense. I don't know how Fran has all of your sayings just like at the, ready at the drop of a half. He's unbelievable. Then Tuesday, hopefully Tuesday this week, a Nolan Smith story that I've been working on and some other fun stuff coming up this week. So check it out on all pHLY.com. I can read that Nolan Smith story.

I appreciate that, Venn. And then, Zach, I do think you mentioned, I think if the commanders, win this game. It's 10-10 right now. And we know ahead of time that the eagles are going to play the winner of the game tomorrow night. Maybe we'll do our bonus show, our primetime show tomorrow night and do sort of like a watch-along, react-along deal. Oh, that'd be awesome. Sign me up. I'm in. I'm in. Yeah. All right. Sounds good. We'll talk to tomorrow. And we will be checking out all p.h-l-wide.com. Thank you, Zach. See, Zach. All right, a couple of super chats to run through

before we head on out of here, Shaheed says if Sequin was more selfish, the Eagles would have beat a top five DVOA team by three scores, yet folks act like they lost. There are teams that actually lost. Good perspective. You know, if Sequin runs to the end zone there, that score looks pretty lopsided.

Yeah, he was, I saw the quote going around. He said it was the right thing to do. I'm going to do the right thing for the team. I know, but he could have got like 30 more yards and then went down. Yeah. You just wanted that for Swooper. No, I want, Well, I actually just wanted for the best bet.

Yeah, I mean three more yards on that one. And then Eric Ebert says, can you explain the TV schedule opportunities for next week? Love you guys. Hashtag Go Birds. We love you too. I don't know how the ordering will work. Right. But if it is the Bucks, assuming that the NFL maintains AFC, NFC one day,

AFC another day, it'll be Saturday. And then if it's, if the commanders win tonight, they will play Sunday against the winner of that game tomorrow. Bill's Ravens has to be the game of the weekend next weekend. Yeah. So that's going to be a nighttime. But I think they might make that the Sunday 1 o'clock. They can't do that. There's no way.

That's going to be the night. That's going to, NBC will fight for that one if they have an opportunity. Yeah, well, it's about who gets priority. Yeah. And I forget how it goes. I used to be well versed in this. I can't imagine that that a game gets picked ahead of that one, though. ESPN pays the most, but I think they have the least say.

Is this they don't, it's championship when they do like three. three o'clock and six o'clock right they don't do for next weekend it's another late afternoon saturday and then a prime time saturday and then a one o'clock and a four o'clock on sunday right so then i guess maybe they make that the saturday night game i would think the nbc saturday night yeah maybe hold on so it still says TBD and then again chiefs texans but i think you're right i think it's like three thirty six thirty so i got yeah i got a four 30 and eight fifteen on saturday so i think that 815 is Bill's. Yeah, I think you're right.

So I think if it's a Saturday game, it's the mid-afternoon. Sunday is a 3 and a 6.30. Oh, it is a 3 and a 6.30. According to the article. Yeah, they might do, it depends who has the priority. It's the two MVP candidates going out.

I mean, that's certainly the game. That's the game of the weekend. But I don't know who has priority. It'll depend on that. Yeah. ESPN pays the most, but has the least say on playoff time. I know that.

Okay. NBC has a lot of hand. But Fox, like, I don't know. I used to know this like the back of hand. Because it's the, yeah, I don't know. It's a good question. All right. Before we head on out of here, final thoughts, Vinny, how you feeling?

By the way, what was the experience like for you today doing the tailgate stuff? Oh, we're sick, man. You're seeing a bunch of former teammates. Oh, man, I was sick. What was the best thing you ate in the parking lot? Dude, I had this pretzel dipped in some, like, like, a brisket broth or something like that. Oh. Like a meal.

An Ozoo? It was good. Ooh. I love an Oz Jew. Okay. That was good. That sounds good. Yeah, man, that was...

Who were you kicking it with? We was in carts all following each other. It was sick. Okay. It was fun. You know, anytime you get the party along, you know, the fans, it's always a great time. Then you're getting lots of a PhD-O-I-love? Got to, got to.

So this means we got to run it back next weekend. You're going to be in the lots? You know what? It's good luck. Exactly. I think we need to get some... I think I need to get a... A full out for you?

It's a PHY. Like that. I mean, we got to thank Vinny for the sake. They say, Quo-W-W-MIRCH that is on the PHY locker. You can get some of that stuff. If you check out the shop. How about you?

Jamie, final thoughts? How you feeling? I'm going to wake up feeling great about the defense. This is not a time or place for negative thoughts. I'm not going to think about Jalen. I'm only going to think about it getting better. We can choose joy. We can choose to be happy about the defense.

And I'm going to choose to believe that Jalen is going to be better. weekend I am not gonna say he's gonna repeat the same I'm gonna say he knocked the rust off he's gonna be good next weekend this defense is great this defense puts a smile on my face and I believe this defense can beat anybody Fran we were talking about this last week how the playoffs are a little bit different and Jordan loves overrated there you go then the regular season in that like there's less interest in analyzing the last weekend because all of a sudden you turn all attention to the next game that's coming up but you're gonna watch the film from last night what do you you going to be most from tonight what are you going to be most interested to see uh i am most interested

to see the offense and the past game that that's what i'm most interested to see what it what gave the the past game some trouble um just because i look i think i know what to expect from the defense i think the formula you know probably carried over from what we saw from most of the year uh i do want to see what coverage is and what issues uh gave uh showed up for jalen hurts in this game all right well we look forward to uh finding out about that and i'm going to look forward to to another full week of coverage as the Eagles are moving on to the divisional round and we'll find out tonight potentially who they're playing. We will have full coverage for you all week.

Shows at 2 o'clock Monday through Friday. One bonus primetime show to be determined when. And then, of course, another set of game day shows next Saturday or Sunday. Thanks to all of you who are here with us live in the chat. Make sure that you hit subscribe and like the video and all that good stuff. Thanks to Julia for making it happen behind the scenes. thanks to Zach, Fran, Jamie, and Super Bowl champion, Vinny Curry. For all of us here, we will talk to you later.

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