PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles Super Bowl: Can C.J. Gardner-Johnson be this team’s Malcolm Jenkins?

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

Malcolm Jenkins is an Eagles Super Bowl hero, as is his forever teammate Vinny Curry. As Vinny continues to make the rounds with the likes of Saquon Barkley, Jalen Hurts, Tanner McKee and A.J. Brown, Jenkins joins the show to figure out who on this year’s team has the juice to make a game-changing play.Join Vinny Curry, Zach Berman, Fran Duffy, Bo Wulf and the PHLY Eagles crew as Super Bowl week rolls on. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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and you guys are used to play next to each other. Bo, thank you for joining. This is a comfort zone for me. Yeah, my outside. It feels nice. It feels really good. We come back from Vinny, like, dominating the Eagles media session earlier today, which we will get to. We'll play for the people.

We're walking in, and here comes Bo driving by, leaning out, and what do you yell? All of a sudden. All of a sudden. And what's the story for that, Vinny? Oh, all of a sudden, Vindon of a sudden, Vinoy, he got him in the media. All of a sudden, we got Bo Al. He got long hair. Oh, we got tattoos.

Everything is clicking. Everything is clicking. You know who this is from, Fran? No. Lay on me. Jerry has an arrow. True. One of the kind of great D-Line coach that Vinny and I shared,

who just had up these kind of quips that just stuck with us. And that's one of them that I think of it every time I see you. Everybody says that. Everybody, I said, yo, man, I must, I must, you man. Yo, co-jazz, man. Just one of the coaches, man. And it's just, go. Next guy.

Clip, hit, hip, there. Always work together. What is it about the 2017 defensive line that turned guys into media superstars. We won a Super Bowl. In Philadelphia. Yeah. Right. And then you guys took a little sojourn to Tampa together. Yeah, we did. Vinny was like, hey, my guy, Bo is down here in Florida. I miss him. I haven't seen him in so long. Let me go down there and hang out with him in Tampa.

Oh, I got there 90 days in. I looked around. I said, Bo, you're on your own. I got to go home. Too hot. Give me back to Philly. Well, how would you compare that D-line to this Eagles defensive line? I love this Eagles defensive line. I think overall, incredibly talented young group. Like, I can't say enough good things about this team, like this team, but especially this D-line. I think we're better, right?

Like, come on, man. I think we had, like, a great group of, like, vets that had played a lot and kind of really understood each other. And we understood our games. And that's why I love playing with Vinny. Like we had played together so much. I think overall this unit is more talented. But I think maybe we were slightly deeper across the board. Certainly played more guys.

Like you rotated. We really rolled through. But that was more just because of Jim's defense and everything like that. But like these dudes, like Jalen Carter is a dog. But I like you got to, I think people forget how good Fletcher was. Like Fletcher was the guy. So one, so, so, so, Beau, a little bit throughout the early, early episodes, was we were talking about we actually talked about that but I was I said yeah okay if you take

everybody by age and what were we at at that point in time sure I like to stand on that one bro we are good you know but I will say this I will say this I will say this I will say this say it all of a sudden say it yeah come after the body all of a sudden we all of a sudden we talk about us to be line on this yeah yeah Well, I think the defense in general for this team is better. You know what I mean? Like, look at these guys, Zach Bond, man. Wisconsin guy.

I love him. Dog, dog, exactly. He's playing an MVP caliber. Unbelievable. He's super good. And look at Cooper, look at Quinnion. That's called When Preparation meets Opportunity. Like that.

That sounded like another ass. Is that when preparation meets opportunity. That's how you get success. Bo, who do you like as the X factor outside of Jalen up front on the defensive line in this matchup here against Kansas City? Who are you expecting to have that kind of breakout performance? I think Nolan Smith has been having a good game. Yeah, I mean, he's been playing really well. And, you know, like, the linebacking group for this team is so good and very deep too.

And, like, Burke's, like, playing really good as a guy is filled in for, you know, a pretty devastating injury. But I like Nolan Smith. I think he's really come along this year, and I think he's going to have a big game. He's played really well in the playoffs. Yeah. You like Nolan? Oh, yeah. He's been calling him.

He's been big on Nolan all season. Actually, you know he's going to have a huge game. I'm sorry to interrupt you, Bill. BG. BG is going to have a... Yeah, yes. BG's got those fresh legs, dude. Yeah, he does.

That's a good point. I think, listen, if BG get a sack, man, I mean, I think we all go nuts. Everybody should just go live when it happens. I think you guys have a different perspective than us. How nuts is it to you? that he would be playing in this game after the torn triceps. I mean, it's not crazy when you consider BG

and how big of a freakie is and how he's played at such a high level for so long, but like objectively, it's wild. But it's the Super Bowl, like, you know, like this is as good as it gets. This is the equivalent to when somebody said, I'll give my left arm to play in the Super Bowl. Yep, yeah.

He's literally gonna do that. Yeah. Yeah. With Jalen Carter, Beau, he's so dominant now. Yep. We were talking to Gerald McCoy yesterday, your other teammate from the Bucks, and he was talking about how he thinks there's still much more to come from Jalen as he understands the game.

I actually feel like he's pretty ahead of the game in terms of his knowledge. He sees things really quickly, but how much better do you think he can be? I think he can be unbelievable. I mean, he is already a very, very good player. He's been like 90% of the snaps since insane. Which is incredible. He's in shape. Yeah, his stamina and his effort is really good.

But his savvy is something that I've been impressed with. You saw that on the last drive against the Rams. the way he kind of played the game within the game, you set up rushes to early in a game to hit during critical moments. And like, that's the kind of savvy out of a young player that I appreciate. Because, like, I had to do that shit. You know, he's talented enough for like he doesn't need to play those kind of games. And he still does.

And that's the kind of thing that's going to take him to the next one. He was a really good player. Going over to the other side, obviously they've got some good ones up front as well. Chris Jones, we talked about. Who else up front would give you concern? if you were the Eagles preparing for that front. Defensively. Yeah, defensively.

I think, I mean, Chris Jones is kind of the guy. If you're an offensive lineman, you need to know where he's at all times. He'll play inside. He'll play outside on the edge. But I think, like, they have such good cast, but I really think for them, it's about Spags. Like, I love Spags. And I think outside of Chris Jones, like, Spags is so creative with his blitzes. You saw it during critical moments against the bills in the, you know, last two weeks ago or whatever.

And, like, that's the guy. He's like, you know he's just dialing. up something and you're not really sure what it's going to be when it when exactly it's going to come so I think if you're an eagles offensive lineman that's that's what you're kind of tuned in on is like where is Chris Jones who is showing blitz are they dropping are they coming is this same pre-snap presentation going to come back at us later in a game but it's going to be something else I think that's that's something I'm personally looking forward to before I ask you for a prediction I got to ask you just your favorite Vinnie Kirby's story oh man I have so many

All of a sudden. All of a sudden. You're on a spot. I'll never forget, like, we would be mid-game sometimes, mid-rap. And Vinny would be like, yo, can I go? Can I go? I'm like, yeah, go, go. Yeah, we talked about that.

We talked about that. We talked about that on one of the episodes. Talking about communication. So I was talking to them. And sometimes we're like, no, no, no, you can't go. No, don't go. Yo, there's a play with Nolan is yelling at to Jalen Carter. Yeah.

and he waves him off. Yeah. Or it did, no, he waves him off, and then it gets back and he's like, like, kind of like thumbs up. Yeah, you're good. And they were, oh, my, and it was the second. And it was like, yo, how did you know that? I said, I've been in that situation a lot of time or two. Well, for our viewers, what is it that gives you the green light to make that call?

Okay, so if we're getting really specific, Vinny and I, we play it as obviously de-tackled, you know, three-tech, whatever. But if we were like to the open side, Vinny loves inside moves, right? Yep. Which is great, you know. but sometimes you can't take an inside move. But if we were, if I was like a two-eye and I knew that the center was sliding away,

that means we're on the man side, okay? So like that tackle really has to set out and like Vinny can take an inside move and if he takes it and it hits it, I can cover him, right? So I'll loop around. It's like a natural ET game. But there are times when like I know that the center is sliding to me and then the guard is going to push out to him.

So if he takes an inside move, he's going to get hammered by the guard. You know what I mean? So like that's when I don't want you to take an inside move. It's like you're just going to get fucking tea kettle. by the guard who's like setting right out to you but also like every now and that we'd have a blitz on I'm like no you cannot take it inside it like we are away from the blitz my brother like the quarterback will flush to us um so that's what that is but it's more about like you know like you said communication trust in your teammates and kind of like what I mentioned earlier like we played together for so long

and like we had that group where we roll guys through and we got really comfortable playing with each other and a lot of different like defensive linemen matchups you know and and that's how you get that kind of comfort that communication that familiarity yeah like I could just tell him like there are times Vinny took an inside move and I cover them up just like you know I first all I'm rushing yeah I'm ready for it you two guys both very familiar with like doing the unrecognized dirty work that makes the whole defensive line you have no idea I'm the one that's going to test the temperature of Jim yeah I'm gonna do something he's gonna come over here storm over here or he's gonna say you take you gotta make it

yeah yeah that's exactly what say yo Okay, okay. Take it, take it, but you're gonna make it. And then I, that'll bring everybody, now, everybody wanna try to do something, but, you know, Bo always kept that thing in check, or it could, I'm not gonna tell you all this. Bo was like overly prepared.

His notes. That's a white de-lining, man. You, his notes was like, impeccable. Yo, I mean, like, you thought I had good notes. Then when we get to like to like, like, like, the little closer, closer to the game, I lay, well, can I see you notebook? I see you notebook.

I just in case you missed a variant. We had a bad defense. We got, like, people don't understand. You think football players, D-Lyman especially, are just like, hey, go out there, getting your gap. We have advanced football calls with a million different checks, and we do a lot of meetings. Okay, you guys are in the media.

You're around football. You understand, but like a casual, you know, a football fan doesn't understand the hours of film study and preparation and meetings that we fucking, sorry, that we go through on a daily basis. And we used to get tested every week on the playbook. And in Tampa, like, we got to a point where we were getting tested with these lengthy, lengthy tests that were honestly too much.

And, like, I used to help Vinny cheat a little bit. It's just funny to think about professional football players taking these tests before a football game. Right. And just, like, cheating on them. And you guys got to understand. So when we was down there, I used to be sitting there so, like, pissed, bro. Just pissed. Pissed because I'm like, man.

gym one do me we're going to be doing this like it was a gym like and then our decorinator got fired after four games so it was a tough year for us oh so then you still had to take a test the professor already failed why are we still exactly it's like our T's crazy you know so I was more so like I just was sitting there like with an attitude or just being really mad and at the same time that in a breath or then a fresh breath of air it goes to show you that damn I got to get back to Philly, Beau. And you left me, bro.

And we went nuts. We went to playoffs. Yeah, without me. All right. Bo, we got to let you get going. The Green Light podcast, I imagine all our listeners already know that. Bo Allen, quick prediction. What do you got?

I'd say like 720-0 birds. Good call. Why not? Why not? No, I'll say, realistically, I like, like 28, 18 eagles. 18? No, 24, 18. Low-scoring games.

I like that. I think that seems reasonable. Bo Allen, thank you so much. Thanks, right. We'll bring in our man, Zach Berman in a second here. Good stuff going on. It's a crazy day. Radio realm.

All stuff is going. We are going to hear later from Malcolm Jenkins as the 2017 Super Bowl reunion continues. We have a lot going on. We're going to just sort of see how this all works. Zach, come on in. Take a seat, my friend. Yeah. Julia, how are we doing on?

Malcolm. We'll be ready with that in a sec. All right. Why don't we take a quick break now to talk about our sponsors? And then on the other side, we'll talk to Zach Berman, and then we'll talk to Malcolm Jenkins and make it all roll. That's my read. What's my read?

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Zach Berman how the hell are you throw the beyond what's going on good to see you what have you been up to I was watching the interview with bow Allen well all day long today what have you been doing today yes so today I was uh with the kentistate chiefs this morning uh had a chance to catch up with our old friend Carson Wentz or Vinnie's old friend Carson it was good to see it was good to see Carson he said uh we used to do this every week I said that is true you know and I think I missed it more than he does to be honest with you And then was with the Eagles and what was what was what was what did he say? You know, it's it's interesting because he was he acknowledged like that that the history.

He can't go back and change it. He said this is an interesting line. He said there's a difference between having peace and being at peace with something. Right. And so he's like he talked a lot about his. his his faith. There was a good question from Les Bowen, who's contributing from PHLY.

And who will be on the show a little bit? Yeah, who Les asked him, do you ever think what would have happened in your career if Clowny didn't hit you? And he said he doesn't like to go back in time thinking about that. You know, he trusts that there's a plan, things of that nature. I did say it because the injuries kept coming up.

And I said the injuries were out of your control, but, you know, you did think you needed a fresh start. Do you look back and say, was a fresh start actually necessary for you? And he said, what do you mean by that? And I said, well, I reworded the question. And he kind of said that it's in the past. Like, you know, it was the right thing at the time. He talked a lot about how a lot of the guys on the team, he doesn't know anymore, right?

This current team. So he's already played against the Eagles. So it's not like he's getting revenge against the Eagles. Right. But he talked about that 2017 team, the bonds that you guys all have, and he still feels that way, and how that was a special season. So there was a lot there. I actually think Les is going to write about it for all p.chly.com.

And then you talk to the Eagles, and we'll hear from Vinny, because he had a fun time there as well. But who did you focus on there? So my big focus after Nick Seriani and J.O.N. Hertz was Kevin Patoo, because I'm expecting Kevin Pattoe to become the next offensive coordinator with the Eagles. Kevin's not someone we get to speak to on a regular basis. So I really wanted to get to know him a little bit better. And one thing that he made clear, and I think this is important for Eagles fans,

is that he's not just like an extension of Siri on it. That if he becomes the play caller here, he's his own person, and he disagrees a lot with Nick. And he can see why there's that perception from the outside. But he had this whole football career before he linked up with Nick, that he has strong opinions on this, that he's worked closely with Kellan Moore this year, melding concepts together,

and that he would be, like, his own person if he were to become an offensive coordinator. Interesting. And then catching up with, you know, Jeff Stoutland and Joe Casper. I really tried to focus on some of the assistance we don't get to see on a day-to-day basis. How about you, Vinnie?

You were all over the place. We're going to see the fruits of this labor, but how is it for you? I think the fans, the surprise that we have, I think the fans is going to love, you know. If you got a certain someone to say a certain something. Yeah. One word maybe.

Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I think they're really going to like the interviews I have. I mean, I don't talk to Mackay. I don't talk to Sequan. I don't talk to Josh Sweat. The list go on and on and on and on.

Nolan. You know, oh, man. I probably talked about 13, 14 players, man. And it was just to see don't focus, though, but you could honestly see the determination inside their eyes. Like, you know, they couldn't wait to get to practice because they're like, all right, you over the media stuff now. That's a good observation.

Let's get this thing going. And Fran, how are you feeling? Is there any iciness between you and Zach, given what happened on the Birds with Friends reunion show yesterday? I don't know what you're talking about. Okay. Oh, the Dane Bruehler thing, no. That makes right.

Zach's favorite draft analyst, as you know. No, I literally answered the question. I'm not doing this. Truthfully. Give him a break. He had a lot of salt yesterday for lunch. By the time he got to that point in the night, all he could say was Dane Bruegler. It's okay.

And we also got to catch up with Bowlesfinger player. Tidal McKay. Oh, how'd that go? No, he did. Oh, you did? I'm looking forward to it. Did you? I told him.

Yeah, I told him. He was like, for real. You also, Vinny, if there, if Zach needs his mood, to be lifted up right now. If he needs something to make him happy, I think you have a little something. You know, some metal glasses. Yeah, man, these things is nice.

No, I need to look those up on Amazon. Yeah, I'm telling you. You want them try them on? Yeah, try them on. Oh, God, look at the smile. Are they prescription lens? No. So when you walk outside, it's dark,

the lens turned dark like it's a whoa. Oh, true. Yeah. So how does it take picture? Colar Kent over here. You just hit this button here. Oh, wow. Right, boom, that's it.

Right right on top. Emily, if you're watching, my birthday's coming up in March. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How about that? This is impressed. That's cool.

How do they look? Oh, it's AK. Let's see how does it look. It's an AK. Goes right to the phone. Oh, man. So this is when you walked in. Look how clear that thing is.

Wow. You see, that would have been so helpful talking to Carson today. Yeah. And I brought them specifically. Yeah. For you. I said if you needed to use them. I thought they were like prescription.

No, no. When you walk outside, they did. The lens turned dark. Okay. So they're like sunglasses. Yeah. Yeah. Man, that is technology right there.

I love it. That's great. So then I say just a matter of time before they start putting this on the quarterback's visors and helmets. Yeah. So the coach could see what they were looking at. Watch. Yeah. I think you're right.

I need to go patent that. You get Noah Curry to practice in them. Oh. So if you're watching, Raybans, meta. No Kirk. NIL. It's like it worth his wild. Yeah.

All of a sudden. You had to look up the Jaden Daniels virtual reality stuff. He was doing LSU. I saw that. Got him ready. Got him ready. Come on, boy, we need to call somebody to call somebody that knows somebody. I don't think that's in my relodex.

All right. We did talk to Malcolm Jenkins earlier. And so this is going to be our game or this is our locker room report presented by True Mark Financial. The locker room report is presented by True Mark Financial Credit Union. We talked to Malcolm Jenkins, one of the heroes of Super Bowl. what number was it? 52. 52. Super Bowl 52.

Obviously, Vinnie Curry's teammate. Let's take a look at that right now. All right. We are back on Radio Row, and we have not only Super Bowl champion Finney Curry, but his Super Bowl teammate Malcolm Jenkins, and this is Eagles in New Orleans. It feels like the specifically Malcolm Jenkins Super Bowl. Yes, it aligns for sure. I live in both cities. Obviously, play for both teams. So, yeah, to be able to watch, you know, the Eagles come to New Orleans,

and hopefully bring this back home. It's definitely special for me. You should say happy belated anniversary to you both. Yeah. Yesterday. Yes, yeah. The anniversary. What is it like when you see the guys from that team together?

I'd be ecstatic. I'd be so happy, man. You know, everybody knows how much Michael meant to that team. You know, it was like the heart and soul of the whole entire team, especially that defense, man. And, dang, man, it's a blessing in a brotherhood that just can't be poker. Yeah, and it's special. You know, we all understand.

what those moments meant to the city. Even if in those moments we were so focused that we didn't really understand the impact, I think as the years go by and every Super Bowl that happens, you see the same stuff. Happy anniversary. You start to really understand

how special that season was and cherish, obviously not only the journey, but the relationships you had along the way. Now, I think our listeners will also want to make sure that I ask you about the forward that you wrote for Zach's book here. I mean, we've got all kinds of connections on this table. That's awesome.

That's been awesome. He's obviously somebody who's followed a team a great deal. It's been a great ally to me in the media. Somebody I always enjoy talking to. So we wanted to go through, you know, the Eagles history and point out the people who made special contributions, those leaders, those staff members. One, to be in the book, I was honored,

but to be approached to be able to write the foreword and kind of, you know, give people what to expect as they open it up was definitely some. I enjoy doing. I appreciate that. I've said this to Malcolm, and I've said this on the air, but whenever I do these book speeches and this comes up, I say, you're not allowed to have favorites,

although Vinny was a great one in the cover, but there's no one that I respected more during my 13 years covering the team than Malcolm, like in terms of the way he comported himself, but Vinnie's awesome. He's my co-worker. I get it, I get it, yo, man, the man, the man, Cahey himself, man, you know, when he walked in, it was like an Arab

era behind him, you know? Like a businessman. Like at all times, you know, what you saw is what you got, you know? So I definitely get it. No, I know a first take. And we know that in the book that you wrote, you asked Tom Brady to write that forward. And so let's spin this game forward like 15 years. Who's going to be the Malcolm Jenkins on this team if they win who gets Patrick Mahomes

to write the forward to their book, you know, in 15 years? Who's going to make that play? Who's going to say, come on, Pat, when he drops a pass to him? Oh, it's either going to be, I think, Zach Bond. Oh, I like that. Oh, I like that. I think Zach Bond. I think his story this year is going to be.

Like, because I was with Zach in the world, so I got to see, you know, him just kind of work. Really is a special team guy. He's learning from veterans like myself, DeMario Davis. And to finally kind of get his shot and have the year that he had is crazy. So to culminate that, and I fully anticipate him making some game-changing plays. And if he becomes a significant reason why the Eagles win another Super Bowl, I cannot wait to hear that story and understand that book. I'm so curious about the perspective of his Saints teammates,

who didn't even get to see him play this position. And then to go have this year, and we've talked about, like, there's a similarity to Sequin Barclay who, like, didn't get to show his full self with the Giants. And you were a guy who's moved around. It feels like this team specifically has a lot of guys who, because of this situation, have been able to show just how good they can be. I mean, and I think that's a testament to Howie, because I think if you look back to our team,

it was the same thing with myself with Darren Sprouls with ghosts. A bunch of guys who had success other places, but really thrived when they got to this locker room. And for me, it was them believing in me to be able to play the positions that I wanted to play, to have the role that I wanted. And my time in Philly, you know, took off compared to what I had in New Orleans that first stent. And I think that's a testament to, you know, people with vision, people that have a culture and know how to develop players. I'm going to see the Florida Vinny so you guys can, I guess, reconnect here. But the follow up on Zach Bond, I did want to ask you real quick about C.J. Garner Johnson, someone who you were close with, you've seen him leave in a contentious way.

Now he returned. He's a key part of the team. What insight do you have on C.J.'s career in the season he's having? Yeah, I think the one thing that is a lot. For one, this is, he's like my little bro. When we're in New Orleans, he, when I first time with New Orleans, he hit me up and wanted to pick my brain and work out. And it was the same way every single day. Took notes.

He followed me. He was on my coat tell. I gave him everything that I had. And so to see him kind of make it his own now, even, even, you know, with all of the business parts of the game, to have to leave, to get injured, and then still have enough wherewithal to come back and respect to be able to handle business and kind of put your ego out of the way. And really his development as a leader on this team, the stabilizer, I think, of that

defense or at least the back end of it, somebody who's consistently making plays who's bringing energy, you need that type of guy in your locker room. And that's who I tried to be from my locker room was that the person who, you know, can get you riled up, but also the player who's super prepared and understands the game of football. And I think that's one thing that I am most proud of is the intellectual part of the game that's developed for him. He's way smarter than people give him credit for. If you watch the plays that he makes, a lot of the times he might look like he's blitzing,

but he's anticipating the play. He's reading his keys. That's all mental preparation. You can't play the safety position at a high level without being a smart player. And even his trash talking, you know, we kind of label it like he's kind of this out of control person, but he rarely gets penalties. And he knows how to get into the opponent's head. It's very intellectual and intentional with the way that he plays the game.

And so he's somebody that, like, I'm, regardless of where he is and super proud of, just because I've seen the maturation, the hunger, and his true desire to be great. And, you know, it's fun to watch him doing the Eagles Green. Finney, what are your favorite Malcolm memories? And then Malcolm, what are your favorite Vinny memories? My favorite memory is go back seven years ago. I run into the ball. I'm like, damn, Cook's caught that, run into the ball.

And I remember somebody passing my face all you, and I turned my head for one split. second on here was bhaugh damn what was that set the tone you know and I just remember everybody losing ain't mind out there and I was that but that was first of all that was a hell of a hustle play yeah and second of all that was a way to set the tone we needed we needed to get cook out of the game he was too fast we had to get him going I was like whoa I think that was just one right there is that it's going to be end of the conversation when you talk about that leadership role and what he meant to the team and for him to make that play, I think that calmed everybody nerves down.

It was like, oh, yeah, we got this. Like, let's get it. Like, this ain't, this ain't nothing that we ain't used to or things like that. But that, that hit was more impactful for the team than, you know, let's talk about. What about you, Malcolm? What's your favorite Vinny memory? My favorite part about Vinny was, so before I got there, he was really the guy in the middle of the huddle before the games.

And so, you know, when I kind of started making speeches, is he was always the person that gave me the energy back. Like if you're if you're ever speaking in front of a crowd, you gotta find one or two people that are, they're giving you the affirmation to make sure, you know, what you're saying is hitting. And Benny was always that person. He's the hype man.

Like he's repeating this stuff I'm saying, he's giving it back to me, you know, so that always helped me, because it's hard to come up with a new speech every single week and it'd be impactful. But yeah, Benny's always somebody who came with energy. So let me ask this then to both of you.

All we got, all we need. What's the origin here? VDOT. Yeah, that came from him. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. Not many people know that. Until recently.

Until recently. I credited Malcolm and then Vinny said, no, that's... He almost threw him off the table. Granted, that's not hard to do. No, no, no, no, come on, man. But that was like one of the things that, because it was, you know, when you talk about meeting, you talk about brotherhood and ignore the noise, that was like one of the things that, you know, that we just always wanted. Yeah, we just always wore or, you know, that chip on our shoulders, you know.

I guess you labeled the underdogs, but we top dog, you know, and that's how that was just kind of how we really felt. When it comes to ignoring the noise and you talk about the hit on Cooks, your guy's perspective on what this week is like. You know, there's two weeks between the NFC championship game. You've got to deal with all the other stuff. You're going up against a potentially dynastic team, the best quarterback in football. The parallels are there from 2017 to this team. how long does it take to sort of get your focus flipped to the task at hand the game? So I think it's like we talk about that hit change, like being a game statement, a game, like common.

I think I get that running game going. Sequan get going early. I think that right there is going to slow a blitz down, number one, because when you blitz and the double hit home, you create another lane. Michael, what do you think? Now, I think, honestly, it starts today. Like today is Wednesday, right? So they did the media yesterday. You know, it's all the craziness you got to go through.

It's the biggest media day at a year. But when they wake up today, it's first and second down. This is, you got to try to get it back to if this was week one of the season, Wednesday would be first, second down, and we're going through our install. The sooner you can get back into that normal routine, the, then you can ignore all the other things. Because if you're still worrying about tickets and family and all of the things that are going on in this Wednesday, then you're already messing up your preparation. And I know for me, I took the first part of the week that Sunday, Monday, Tuesday to enjoy all of it.

But once Wednesday morning hit, it's the same as you knew me on as we're back in Philly. And I think that's what leaders need to do is make this as normal as possible for guys who've never been here. You don't want to make it something that it's not. It's like because when it kicks off, the ball's the same size, the rules are the same, the fields are the exact same. There's nothing new about the game. It's just what we make of it. And so I'm trying to, best I can as a leader, and make it nothing.

Yeah. We had Brandon Brooks in studio back in March, and he spoke poignantly about what it's like to win a Super Bowl in Philly that it follows you the rest of your life. That no matter where he goes now, there's people who still come up to him about winning a Super Bowl. What perspective to both you guys have about, like, the long-term resonance of winning a Super Bowl in Philadelphia?

I'm going to stick this quote from Doug. It became a new norm. Yeah. Look, look we're here today for Philadelphia Super Bowl. Two years ago, Philadelphia Super Bowl. No matter where you go now, it's either Super Bowl or bus every year, you know, amongst Eagle fans. They will never be another first.

Yeah, yeah. You guys will always be the first. So it's kind of like that kind of was the height of everything and watching everything coming together and, you know, watching this team really transform a new Philadelphia culture that became the new norm. Yeah. It's as if we fed the starving city, right? Like we're the ones who did it.

We met the expectation. We met the desire. And I think, like I said earlier, the further and further we get away from that moment, I think the larger that moment gets because you realize that it's not very easy. When I won my very first year in the NFL, I won a Super Bowl in this city, New Orleans.

And I remember thinking, oh, this is going to be easy. I'll be back every year. And then it wasn't until nine years later that I was able to go back. and really understand how significant that that is, one to me as a player, but more specifically to a city, especially one with as much history as this team,

with as much passion as this city, and as many close calls as they've had in the past, to really be able to be the ones to bring that home has meant the world to, you know, the many people that I've seen, and it's definitely not slowing down. It's not something that's gone away over time. It's only amplified and become more special.

We'll let you get going in a sec. I got two quick ones for you. Prediction on the game. And then for Eagles fans coming down to New Orleans, where do they have to go? Yeah, so one of my favorite spots is a place called Viones. It's right. It's not on Chapal Toulos. It's right off Chapal's right in the Warehouse District.

Really good spot. She's a phenomenal chef. Really cool place. But my predictions for the game, I don't really do scores. I just want the Eagles to win. I think St. Juan Barclays is the MVP. And I think Zach Bond makes some life-changing play. Go ahead, pitch that bad boy.

I want to make sure we spoke about my book, but this is the book we should be talking about right now. We need to get a copy to AJ. I know, yeah, he need to read it on, get it on the sideline and make it go crazy like the other one. But yeah, what winners won't tell you lessons from a legendary defender if it's on audio or audible two? I go through that whole Super Bowl run

and talk about the ends and now it's my journey in the league, all the things I've learned about winning, about being successful to trials and tribulations. but really a lot of memories going down memory lanes the games the the situations a lot of insight that you might not have known about that last football team all in this book I had a great great time writing it is super vulnerable so why my shirt is off not just because I'm in good shit he's vulnerable and he can write like that's it was it was kind of like annoying I remember talking to Bob we were in the was like what you do today I said I read Malcolm's book he said

what do you think I was like he doesn't just play football he's not just a business game Right. Definitely a better writer than you're a football player. I actually wrote that. That is true. Yes. All right. Well, Malcolm Jenkins, thank you so much.

We look forward to catching up down the line, and we will be back with more on PHLY. All right, good stuff from Malcolm Jenkins, and we continue to shuffle around the pieces here on the PHLY Eagles desk. We've got Les Bowen joining us, along with Vinny and Zach. Les, how you doing? Good to see you. Good to see you. Now, before you got on, Zach was telling us a little bit about what he heard from Carson Wentz, but I know you talk to him more and also some of his teammates.

What is your perspective on him entering this game? Yeah, it's really interesting. I mean, Carson Wentz is back at the Super Bowl, but once again, he's not going to play. Unless Patrick Mulhoves gets hurt. Yeah, well, yeah, I know. But I'm aware. But to me, it's a fascinating.

I mean, he had to be hoping that the Eagles didn't make it to the Super Bowl with the Chiefs because he would, every day, people ask him about this and to go into the whole deal. It's an annoyance, I would imagine. And then I was thinking about this. I was thinking, well, he was probably pulling for Washington, the NFC. Wait a minute. No, no, he wouldn't be, no, he wouldn't want that either.

No, no, that wouldn't be good. So, I think bottom line is, he, well, he said a couple interesting things. There's been several stories written about that this week and how he's, you know, he puts his life in the hands of God. and all that, you know, but someone said to, someone asked him if he was at peace, and he said, I have peace, but I'm still a competitor. And that's a little different than saying, oh, everything's fine, I'll just sit here and, you know,

just make my money and not ever play again. I think he would very much like, even though he's older, to be like a Baker Mayfield or a Sam Darnold and get a chance somewhere. At this point, it's going to be a team that doesn't really expect him to be. the long-term quarterback, but then he can get in there and change their mind, you know, and maybe. It probably not going to happen in Kansas City. No, no. I don't think so.

Probably not. Vinny, what's your perspective on Carson Wentz? I want to hear this. Yes. Oh, man. I think for a fresh start, reset button, he already had a couple first starts. So I would say reset button, I think going to Big Red was the, I think that's one of the best decisions he could have made. How about as a teammate back in 2017?

It was cool. Me and Carson was cool. He studied hard, he worked hard. He won some football games for us. Yeah, no doubt. You know, that's all right. In my book, Lowe's we keep winning. There's the framing that some people inside the building made that, you know, in 2017, it was not Carson's team, right?

The leaders of that team were the veterans who had been there for a while like you. And eventually they wanted him to become the leader. Did you feel that during your time there? Oh, it's kind of, man, that, that, that, the express, it's, I will say, at that point in time, that's a hard, that's a hard task, you know. Yeah. There's a lot of personalities in the locker room, you know, I don't, I think, I think him coming from, you know, a small town, um, to the, to the big stage, the bright lights, the big city, the passionate fans, you know, passionate people around. I just think that, you know, the way that ended, you know, I think all of us wish, you know, they could have, you know, they could have, you know, there's something a little different. But it's crazy now because it's like we were talking about, you know, off the air, like, I think Zach had a great question to him. When he asked him, do you think if Cloudie doesn't make that hit, do you think your career changes?

Okay, now I want everybody to understand something. Connie don't make that hit. We're going into score. Yeah. We win. Yeah. You think so? We were winning.

It was early in the game, but yeah. Yo, bro, that was not a great, that was not a great Seattle team. No, dude. It wasn't a great eagle team. It was a wide receiver. Who is in the play? The second way? What?

Wasn't the final score like 14 to 3 or something? Yeah. Yeah. It was like 9 3. It was something crazy, but you got to understand something. We win that game. whether you want to say wasn't a great Eagle team or not, we move on to the next round.

Yeah, and the whole thing looks different. That's Big Bob Davis and Deonté Burnett, right? Yeah. So now, but there's no, that's where, when you get up for the next season, it's like, you're my man, we've got to get another guy that's going to be super, super reliable just in case we get in the situation again.

And, yeah. What I mean? Now, my opinion would be, that things started to go bad, obviously, with the Super Bowl for Carson. And I know some former teammates have been very, very critical of that, that it was a weird thing for him to sit there and watch Nick Foles win the Super Bowl. But really, let's be real. If you got hurt and the guy that took over for you had 10 sacks in the Super Bowl

and the whole city was like, oh, this guy is our guy now, you know, would you be all, you know, this is the most wonderful thing that ever happened? So last you got to understand something. I'm very biased when it comes to Nick Fos. Yeah. Oh, he's a great guy. Yeah, I'm not saying anything against Nick. I am super biased.

Like, remember, I see my man throw seven TDs. Yes. At Oakland, I remember, I was there. Wow. Yes. You know, I see my man get thrown in the fire as a rookie when Mike went down. Yeah, yeah. come out on top yeah so we're in the locker room where there Carson guys and

Nick guys no I think it was a perfect master you there different types different personalities yeah right different personalities but I also think like he said it's a it's a thing of being at peace and still being the competitor right now I will say the competitive edge of having both of them in that quarterback room yeah now I would like to be a fly with that wall and there. Yeah. You know?

You know? So I will also say that knowing Nick Foz is a competitor too as well. Right. You know? Right. And he even killed all the time. You know, he on, one thing about Nick, you're not going to see him his emotion,

rattled, shatter, anything. He's going to, he's going to, he's even killed. And I don't think Carson was like that. I think seeing the success Nick had, he was his emotion, unsettled him a little bit. He had to get back from that knee injury and take the job back and, you know, get everybody to follow him. And then, you know, the next few years didn't go great.

Part of it was him. Part of it was the receiver core went way down. And the team, the rest of the team went way down around him. And then you got to where they drafted Hertz. And I think that really messed him up. And it shouldn't have. I mean, you have to be, that's how football is. You have to be able to handle stuff like that.

but I really think Hertz, I don't think he expected that to happen, and I think, you know, that was the end for him. And then the next two chances he had to start, Indianapolis looked like a great situation at the time. He kind of screwed that up. But also, if you look at the Indianapolis organization at this point, several years later,

is it what we thought it was when in 2020, or was there a lot wrong there? beyond Carson Went. He goes to the commanders and Ron Rivera's final, you know, go round. He didn't win there, but who was going to win there right then? So I don't know. I don't know that he could succeed if he got another shot, but I would love to see it just to just to know, you know, because I'm not sure that he couldn't. So 17, we won the Super Bowl, 18, will rig the playoffs, 19 will make the playoffs. 19 make the playoffs yeah 20 is the covey year which which stuff started right a little fishy um

and you know now jellin's here you know so kind of made the playoffs almost each time so that was like one of those things yeah but he won't now that's the thing he he wanted out so i was just getting right so no no no no no no you're on the right track but i'm just wanted to say when you was like you was like this team or bad team the playoffs the playoffs it's hard to get the punch a ticket period so But when that's going on and then you say you want out, I think that's when everybody's like, what? Like, hold up. Right.

You know, I think that's where you get a lot of pullback because guys are putting out their blood, sweat and tears. Right. You know, right. And I think you get the pullback and then Jalen comes in. And firsthand. In the locker, I always like to say that the players know. Right.

Yeah. In that locker room in 2020, were you guys intrigued by what you saw from Jalen in practice? some getting at. So now Jalen comes in and this dude was having practice after practice. Yeah. You know, that starts a little, ooh, right? Yeah, yeah. Boom, then we go down.

I love when the players are like that. Yeah, so now, so now you go down to Lambo. Yes. When the draft is at this year, comes out, I remember just saying that and I'm like, damn, crossing nine the game. Oh, gentlemen, right? And we talk, the defense is talking, because. everything is going, but we drive it.

Oh. Yes. If anybody could go back to that clip, everybody get up off the bench and start walking towards it. Yeah. That was the end. That was it. That was good.

That was deep. That moment was deep. Aaron Rogers on the other side and Jalen start, boom. And I think Carson realized that, you know. I think he saw that too and thought, well. And then you sit next to everybody's reaction. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, look, when, you know, the Eagles gave them $127 million as, as Howie Roseman like to say, they showed them with their actions what they thought of them. But, you know, if you're at a place for a role and, you know, you feel like, you know, your role's being diminished in some way. Like, yeah. How much was it? $127. You know, there's 127 reasons to be at peace. Yeah, that's a good point. But I would just say, you know, I think the narrative that it is.

is hardened since he left is that he was great in 2017 and he never played well again and that's not really true he played well in 2019 yeah i was just going to say 2019 became the first eagles quarterback to throw for 4,000 yards in the history of the franchise no receivers with no receivers throwing to jj arthago white side and you know uh 27 touchdown seven interceptions you'd kind of take that play off most years yeah uh the team wasn't as good And people, you know, conflate that with the quarterback a lot. But it's... But less, you got to understand.

The people were also seeing the guy they drafted in the second round. There was some rifts and riffs and riffs and raps. And now for the guy to reach his second Super Bowl in three years. Oh, I know. Yeah. That's not. But, yeah, I'm sitting at the podium like this, too. Yeah.

Exactly. You know? It's got to be very, very awkward for him. Yeah, I know. We've got to take a quick break. We'll be back with more on the other side after hearing from our sponsors. You know what that applause is for? It's for Bet365 because Bet365 has 90 million users worldwide

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When this show's over, we're going to try to get a few more pieces of content for the good people. But last time on the live show, I'm going to ask you how you're leaning in this game, your prediction, and this is going to be the Game Ball presented by Xfinity Mobile. Game Brawl is proudly brought to you. I said Game Paul is proudly brought to you. It's too much talking and it's only Wednesday. I think this is the halfway point of our shows. The game ball, not the Gabe Hall, the game ball is proudly brought to you by our friends at

Infinity Mobile. Join the millions who have switched to one of the fastest growing mobile services. Vinnie, how you see this game going? Who's going to be Super Bowl MVP? I got the Eagles winning. 3520. Wow. $5.20.

Putting up a bunch of points. Wow. Yeah. I like that. High scoring affair. Who's going to be Super Bowl MVP? Super Bowl MVP with drum roll, please. Sequo.

As if there ever was a doubt. What's your experience been like this? It's been awesome, man. It's been awesome, man. To see it from this lens, it's been awesome. you don't really realize how much work you guys put it. Let's talk about that. Okay.

Appreciate that. You know, you know. Zach, I want you to listen to this. Right. Like, the chase downs, you know, players having a little, don't want to flake talking. Yeah. I kind of felt like Shug Night for a second. You know, whoa.

You know what I mean? But just the appreciation. hanging Nolan Smith's off the balcony holding him by and shoes. No, no, no, man. He's the man. But it was just crazy, though, man. You know what? I feel this.

I don't know how you guys feel about this. I always feel like I know I'm bothering you. I don't want to bother you. Right. But, like, we both have a job to do. I get, like, you know, if I'm trying to ask for an interview from somebody, I don't want to text them to bother them. Like, they don't want to do this.

But I got a job to do, right? I also seen another fellow, like other interviews like, okay, do an interviewer and it's done. It's like, all right, can you stand up? I want to act like I'm pass rushing you. Like, yo, my man, come on. Like, some people going overboard with the stuff. Yeah. Like, that was crazy to hear.

I was like, man, I wanted to say something. And I was, oh, you in the middle of you. You can't. Like, yo, you can't do that. But I just wanted to applaud like you guys were doing. Like, we just sit back. And even being on the side to have tough conversations. conversations to be okay but having tough conversations or taking constructive criticism the way you see it from your point of view you know do it you could be very persuasive you know um so just being on that and everything this is what this week has been about and to learn that you know probably 75 to 85% of the team listen to the podcast really about that yeah thanks to video I am shocked and bo yeah let's don't be a hater well I

I can say Vinnie's been awesome. Like the stuff this week has shown why he's a rising star in this business, and we're thrilled like he's here at PHO. Indeed. And you've also seen a lot of examples of just how much you mean to these people. Oh, man, it's a brotherhood. It's a brotherhood. And to see even some pairs that I never had the chance,

the opportunity to play with them. But, you know, the respect level is so. there just to see them walking around and everybody just mingling in and stuff like that that's that's pretty cool sight to see i am curious when you're playing in this game do you realize all this exists no right yeah because you're in your hotel you go down there for the interviews you have to like like do you realize the entire infrastructure that's kind of around the super bowl no nope nope the eagles do a great job of uh really after after today that you're just you're seeing at the roundtables it's over. You probably want you on here,

see, post, none. Everybody is back into... Well, gratefully for Zach, they do have one more tomorrow. One more day. But then after that, you're right, yeah. After that. Friday and Saturday and Saturday. Well, not everybody, though. No, yeah. It is, I think, tomorrow, yeah.

Everybody? Everybody? Oh, wow. Yeah. That must be the only quarterbacks and the coach. That might be right. Do they have another press conference tomorrow, Zach? Quarterback and coach? Well, actually Jayland does the full thing tomorrow. So there's the coach, and then there's player does the press conference would probably be like Sequin or someone like that.

Yeah, we're not the team. But no, but then the entire team does the tables just like today. Oh, wow. And Jalen has to do one of those risers tomorrow for the entire hour. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, that's telling you's not going to like that. All the, he did it two years. He turned it on. He turned it on. But yeah. All the years that I've gone to the Super Bowl, different teams, I always feel bad. I'm walking around that little ballroom with, and they get the tables. And there's the guys from the practice squad sitting there like nobody i feel like i should like look something up about this guy so i can ask him a question i just feel so bad you know i think that should be i think that should be

a story yeah how to practice squad they roll into this team's success as getting to where they are right now yeah yeah jack has asked about some some like under the radar guys right who have but you know just think about like i think the families of some of those guys we really truly appreciate that especially when their parent go to work or little bit about my son well but speaking about that I am curious because this is the last time we have you can you give insight into what these next few days are like

for a player in the Super Bowl when does the families come in because I heard you talking to Slay saying you know the family's coming later in the week so so once the practice weekends Friday there's a walk through Saturday but what is there for the players beyond that when everyone comes in and descends on the town Oh, man, so you get some people who bring their family in early, but most likely the families will come in probably Thursday or Friday because the Eagles have a walk-upin party, which is always nice. Kind of like a meeting potatoes deal of, you know, just Mr. Lloyd does a great job of welcoming and thanking everyone for being a part of the organization from the families from the front office all the way to the janitor, whoever he bong on the trip.

That's great. So, and then Saturday, you know what it is. You got to ignore it. Ignore Biden. There's no time Sunday. Now, I want to ask you this, too, because Sunday, win or lose, there's a party, right? So now, you only had the winning experience. So you can't give the perspective of the losing party, but there's that big party that the team plans win or lose.

What's the Super Bowl party like for the winning team? It's crazy. I actually have a clip on my phone. I don't think you guys probably do this. Do you know the stage almost? Like, almost broke. Oh, I think I did hear that. Yeah.

And I happened to have it on my phone and they had the glasses, but we had the GoPro, go-po, go-pro. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, let me get off of this. You know, but I think everyone was so excited. It just was cold as hell, man. You know, but everybody found it, found their ways to different parts of Minnesota. Thank you for watching on Fast, by the way.

And catch the rest of the episode on all phtly.com. Vinnie, we have a super chat from John who says, Vinny, you've been killing it all week, great stuff, and your fits have been on point as always. Sayquo for MVP. Thank you. Absolutely. Seqo's going to go crazy.

And we look forward to sharing what you did today with the viewers. Oh, I can't wait. That was a lot of fun. Les, what else are you working on this week? Well, I also talked to Jeff Stoutland very briefly, just as the whole thing was breaking. up. The thing that I wanted to talk to him about was obviously he gets so many kudos now. He's universally recognized as the best offensive line coach football. So does he ever think

about like you could run your own offense somewhere? You could run your own team somewhere maybe. And he said, yeah, you know, I'm paraphrasing, but he said, I've had opportunities. Maybe they just haven't been the right opportunity at the right time, which to me, left the door open for now obviously this year there aren't jobs are filled but if eagles fans want something to worry about down the road you know i think if they win the super bowl i think stout at some point might become a commodity you know i don't see why you wouldn't be interested in a guy like that to run your offense right would you what do you think i was i've spoken to jeff about this before and yeah he's he said you know he he he pointed out you know i've been in like the interim

head coach before he's been an offensive coordinator before and he said like he he he's used this this line that he goes into the office every day and he leaves and he sees geoffrey and he says mr lorry i give you everything i had today right and i think there is a part of him that doesn't feel that being the old line coach is it's like only the old line coach right that said yeah If you're in professional football, you're ambitious. I've never met, or I haven't met many unambitious people who are in professional football, especially coaching and management. So I would imagine that, but it's not as if he's, you know, like 35 years old working his way up the ladder.

And I think there is a part of him that knows he has a good here, that he has an organization that values him, whether it is in the contracts they give him, whether it's the power they give him. and he has a lot of all time, you know, he brings in players that he wants. And so he has a good situation. Yeah, the infrastructure with Lurie and with Howie is very stable, as we've seen, two Super Bowls in three years. You're not going to get that.

Exactly. You could go run somebody's offense, but you don't have control over everything that happens in that building. Yeah, but at the same time, Stout might be the only officer line coaching the history of football that can go do an autograph signing. Philadelphia and lying around the corner. Once you leave here, who else got passion like this? Yeah.

And he said a few years ago he considered going Alabama, right? And he decided to stay. This is, you know, Shio Khabati did a great story a few years ago on, like his family chose to stay here. This is important to them. So you're right. Yeah. It's also just, I mean, logistically, he's not going to, like, you know, he's not going to

leave this year, right? Because there are staffs that have to be filled. It has to be somebody who he knows. because it has confidence. And has confidence in him to leave to be an offensive coordinator. Because he's the highest paid assistant coach in football. He's being paid like a coordinator anyway. Right.

So, yeah, like you spoke to this before, Vinnie. Like, sometimes you feel like you want to find out what it's like somewhere else. But when you went to Tampa, you felt immediately like you wish you had stayed, right? You left a good situation. And if Stout goes somewhere and become a head coach somewhere in the office and line, when they get there, the first two years, it's not like how we are here, what's going to happens to him. Now his legacy get tarnished.

So let's not even speak that to existence. Stop, stay your ass here. Yeah. And you out there stay yo asses on the PHAY YouTube page because that'll do it for this episode. But we've got another one coming up at 6 o'clock Eastern Time.

We've also got lots of other content being captured that will go out on the PHAY YouTube page. I think I saw Fran Duffy interviewing Joey Porter Jr. A couple minutes ago. Much more to come. And then tomorrow, two more. stuff oh we got some super chats julia i have i don't have them they're not coming through the

wifi is so bad let me see if i can pull them up on my phone da da da so i oh here we go all right uh super chat from alex who says shout out to viny he has taken a huge leap as a podcaster this week keep it up and i want more of him on the show oh it's like a love a love right now i'm telling you're not going to be able to get it soon hearing bow on the pod and i believe this is bugh is who he means bugh allen viny please give a shout out to my daughter

azure who is a freshman on the marshal track team she's a big bird's man go her baby love that aaron says completely random but nick syriani is the best he has NFL experts stuttering when asked about what he does well he coaches well he's a coach

okay okay we've been saying that we've been saying he got robbed from coach of the year Yeah. Chill Bill, Vinnie, how do you feel about peeing sitting down? Well, that's not taking to the extreme. I don't pissing down. I don't know how to feel about that.

Didn't Jim Washburn used to ask you guys about that during the training camp? This guy right here, man. That's good memory of us. Yeah, yeah. That was one of the things he would. You know what, Vinnie, sometimes it's the middle of the night. I don't think you could be sitting down. This rooming for you.

Yeah. I guess I could not have played for Jim Washburn. Yeah. Middle of the night, sometimes you just want to sit. Well, you don't want to control variables in the middle of the night. As an older person, you know, you control what you can control. You want to stay in sleep mode. Yes.

Yeah, Bo rips on me for standing up, but you're with me. No, it's not that I rip on you. We don't need to go into the whole thing. It's not for standing up. It's for the outright refusal to never even consider sitting down. I've never ever considered sit down. For what? Yeah.

Yeah, Zach is just as masculine as you. Chase Daniel Plainview says, will Siriani be fueled in the Super Bowl by the fact that Carson Wentz's poor play in 2021 laid the groundwork for Frank Reg's firing in 2022? As Nick Siriani has said, you know, they don't need any more added motivation for this game. They want to win the Super Bowl as it is. And then finally, Bruce says, go birds. How do we get Zeebee to watch eyes wide shut?

I'll watch anything. Yeah, what's it about? Well, Nicole Kidman is naked a lot, I think. Is that not the case? I believe she is naked. Yeah, yeah. I've not really seen this movie, but I've inferred that. He's sold.

Look, during the offseason, I will watch more television movies, so send over recommendations. I don't believe you. Yeah, yeah, I will. After the draft. You will watch along live? Yeah. After the draft, between the draft and, and, uh, and, and, uh, and, uh, I will. training camp that's when I that's that's that's that's when I unbutton a bit so

who yeah when he watches right he's going to be unbuttoned yes there we go all right anything else Vinnie how about just a Vinnie Vinnie Vinny Vinny Vinny Vinny all right that'll do it for this episode of the PHLY Eagles podcast thanks everybody for watching and listening we're back at six o'clock keep your eyes to PHLY on YouTube, all that good stuff. For all of us here, for Bo Allen, Malcolm Jenkins, Fran Duffy, Lesbo, and Vinny Curry, Zach Berman, Julia, Chris, Jamie behind the scenes, all of us.

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