PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Philadelphia Eagles Super Bowl: Mina Kimes explains why Saquon Barkley might GO OFF

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

Radio Row rolls on with Mina Kimes from ESPN joining the show to explain why she thinks the Eagles might be able to run over the Chiefs defense and whether Myles Garrett wants to be an Eagle.Join Fran Duffy, Zach Berman, Jamie Lynch and Bo Wulf as the Eagles continue their march toward the Superdome and potential Super Bowl glory. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And welcome to the second P.HLY Eagle Show of the day, presented by Bet365 and Ace Hardware Home Services. Download the Bet365 app and use code PHLY365 when you sign up. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bet365 and visit Ace Hardware Home Services.com to get started on your next project. We're here on Radio Row. Everybody's a little bit tired. Everybody's a little bit cranky. That's okay. I got Fran Duffy.

I got Jamie Lynch. I got Zach Berman. And before we get to any of the shenanigans, now we're going to have Mina Kimes joining us in the show. We're going to have a nice interview with Joey Porter, Jr. We'll see what else happens. But, Zach, injury report is out. Straight to the Stone Cold Newsman.

What do we got? Yeah, you forget sometime there's a game, right? So the Eagles practice today, and at practice, Gellon Carter was limited with an illness. Kenny Gainwell, limited concussion knee. Brandon Graham, limited with the elbow injury. Devante Smith limited with a hamstring injury. Of note here, landed Dickerson and Cam Juergens, both full participants in practice.

That's good stuff. So no issue there. Also, A.J. Brown no longer on the injury on the report at all with the knee. So he would be considered fully recovered at this point. So the injury to the monitor, obviously, Brandon Graham. Brandon Graham sounded optimistic today when speaking to reporters that he's going to play. Nick Siriani would not go there. But Brandon Graham's talking.

I caught up with him yesterday and he was like pretty much like, yeah, ready to go. Gailen Carter with the illness. You imagine he'll recover in time by then. And so Devante Smith... Just shoving away whatever he's dealing with. Devante Smith, the hamstring injury will monitor that. I'm expecting Devonte to play, of course. I feel like that's not ideal, though, yeah.

Hamstrings are always drinking. Yeah. Sure. But the good news is that nothing to be concerned about what Juergens and Dickerson, they both said they'll play. I think Dickerson's quote to some reporters today is he would need to come off on a stretcher for him not to play this game. But it's one thing to be playing.

It's another thing to be affected by the injury. And if you're a full participant in practice on a Wednesday before a game, that's usually a good sign. Yep. Is that normal superstition for your friend? Knock on wood? Yeah. Oh, yeah, all the time.

You said the stretcher thing, and immediately Fran goes to the knock on wood. Literally, as soon as I hear anything, like, yeah, knock on wood. And Cam Jergens did put out some good vibes today. He sent us some beef jerky. So, like, you know. And how was it? I actually haven't eaten it yet, but Frando did. Yeah, the mango habanero was pretty strong.

Jergy. I'm a little bit worried about how higher voice got there. Yeah. I'm not, I am too. Well, no, you know what it is, is that I'm usually not a beef jerky guy. Okay. But I partook, because he was nice enough to send some over. That is a staple of every Lynch road trip.

A big old bag of jerky. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, but it was good. I enjoyed it. Zach, you a jerky man? I do not eat beef jerky, no. I eat beef, but not beef,

Right. Yeah. That's how I usually am. It sounds like there's a reason behind that. Yeah, what's the, what's the slim jims growing up? Well, slim jims are gross because they had a little bit of a snap. That's what I never, I was never a good guy. No, no, jerky and slim jims are different things.

I've just never had it. I'm shot, Bo, can you please balance the universe here? I like a jerky. I'm not, I am not, uh, it's not a go-to for me. Okay. But every now and then I get myself in a road trip on a jerky mode. Throw a little lipper in a jerky? It's good stuff.

I mean, I'm more of more. I like it. It's a good chew. You're looking for a nice. But I'm really, I'm much more of a sunflower seeds man on its road trip. Okay. That's a high potential for messiness. Well, either you spit it out the window or you get yourself a cup.

Okay. And you put it in the cup. Because you're really, it's like, it's a real good, you're passing the time. Yeah. I mean, this is, yeah. I feel like I could just hop right on the mound. I hate to defend Zach 24 hours after what happened last night. Why do you hate to defend it?

After 24 hours. We don't all have to pick on me. 23 hours ago, we're going to try and move past it. If Zach had said that he spits out sunflower seeds out the window on a road trip, you would have let him have it, I feel like. Interesting. Why? Because I feel like that's a very easy thing to attack and say, like, well, you've got people in the cars next to you.

You've got passers by. You're just spitting it at people. I feel like more like you can miss and it falls back in the car. It's not really a highway activity. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you could do it. You can also, you drop it out the window. It's a lot of work, though. Well, yeah, but, you mean, you've got a long drive.

Hopefully the kids are sleeping in the back. You've got to stay awake, you know. Poor Jane's sleeping in the back and there's just shells hitting in the face. Maybe that'll happen. Who knows? How's everybody doing? It's been a wild day. I want to hear from you, Jimmy, because you have been our bulldog here.

on radio. Who are we? Stephen A. Smith. Stephen A. Smith. Yeah, former colleague. I hope we didn't listen to Tabo a couple days ago. I hope he wasn't listening to the conversation about the maintenance man from the other day. No, Steven and I, uh, Zee got the wave.

Yeah, Steven and A and I used to work together at the Inquirer. Yeah, that's right. I was an intern up at Lehigh. And I was, I was fetching quotes for Stephen A. Hmm. Who's got a better jumper? You were Stephen A. Well, he played college basketball.

He played at Winston-Salis. home state right yeah he played for uh clarence big house gains wow yeah that's good knowledge yeah clarence big house gains is a legendary coach i once did a uh a radio essay on clarence big house gain's effect on on on on basketball a radio essay yeah that's cool it was like how'd you tease that bad boy that was that was uh we we had no we we we we had your mom was house no we had like a saturday night show where it was it was kind of what that means it was kind of like um you know i i I wanted to do like a parting shot on sports reporter, so I would do like that type of thing each week.

And I would find a story in sports that I thought deserved more attention in Clarence Big House Gaines. I wanted to recognize him. Zachary Berman, Bighousegains.com. That was W A-E-R. Ooh, W-A-E-R. I remember the Express sales.

I mean, I don't want to give someone else the advertising. I feel like none of us are going to be able to, like, fully, string two sentences together in a row on this episode. Speak for yourself. I got a lot to talk about. I'm excited. Well, you were all over the place. You don't have a lot to talk about. I'm just, you know, there's a little bit of a wipedness. Jamie, take the viewers through like what today has been like because, you know, we get here early in the morning. There's the ebb and flow of the

day. It gets crazy. You got us, you secured the Mina Kimes interview that's going to be coming up a little bit later in the show. I wanted to get her on. But like tell us like you know what it feels to be in the in the mess, in the arena if you will. If you ever want to like feel really horrible about yourself, just go get denied and act like you're trying to get like a big name star and sure they walk right past you and their handlers like kind of stiff arm. Sure if you really want to feel like a nobody. Yeah if you really want to like feel bad about yourself. There's other ways you can feel horrible about yourself. Sure. You could be both co-hosts. That was good. That was good. I knew where it was going the whole time.

I see it in his eyes. I know it's coming. So, yeah, a lot of trying for some guests in the morning. We don't tell you enough how good you are. He agreed with that. You know, a lot of denials in trying to get some guests, getting some good guests. We have some great videos on demand going up on the channel.

It was awesome seeing Vinnie work the room. It was a good, long grinded out. kind of day. And hopefully everybody's enjoying the great content. Today is a big like football players day. Yeah. Like all the football players with certain things to pitch come through. So let's see.

Tomorrow will be a little bit more. There will be more celebrities here tomorrow. Okay. Some of the greats we saw today, Sean Alexander, Marshall Falk, Debo Samuel was here, Miles Garrett was here. A whole slew of great players. You talk a little Miles Garrett with Mina in that interview. Maybe a little Philadelphia eagle.

Miles Garrett. Yeah, I tried to, I got denied by his handlers. That was sweet. I was just trying to get him. And honestly, Vinny got denied too, and Vinny was pissed. He was like, he could not believe the way that this woman talked to him. You were witness to it, was it?

It was just, she was so dismissive of him. And like Miles Garrett wasn't there. He was doing another. interview so he couldn't see Vinny. Like this woman has no idea that like Vinny is another defensive end. Sure. I think if Miles Garrett had seen Vinny there might have been a thing. We're asking for like 90 seconds of their time for a little standup.

And Vinny, this was this, I think this was the first time all week that Vinny was like, What the hell? What the hell? Yeah. I'm like, oh yeah, you want to feel bad about yourself. Go get shot down by a handler. We're watching a lot of Planet Earth in the, the Duffy household. Francis is very into, like watching the animal documentaries.

Love that. Love that. and like for like the bears. We need David Attenborough like a play-by-fly of it. Well, it's like the big carnivores, like the big bears and the big cats. Like they only succeed on like 10% of their hunts. It's the same time of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're going to miss nine out of ten shots. Yeah. Here's Vinnie Curry. But, uh... There's a big fish in a small pond. I did. But once he gets to a bigger pond, oh, he learns a new lesson. You're at Burrow.

It needs a lot of work. It's a lot of work. I did stalk the Miles Garrett interview that was happening on the Zach Gelb show down there, and he was asked about Philadelphia and the trade market and how hard it is to move on from your hometown. And I believe his direct words were that would be a great destination, but I don't want to kind of corner myself into a one-team type of market. Lots of places to go. He did mention winning, yada, yada, yada.

But Philadelphia did come. come up. So he was on Zach's show? Yeah. Nice. I'm supposed to be on Zach's show this week. Too bad for the listeners go from Miles Carrington. Don't sell yourself short, Zach.

Why are you so mean to yourself? It just comes to the territory, I suppose. Let's just keep rolling. How about your day, Fran? How about the Wi-Fi, friend? You're a man who likes, Fran, you feel like a Berman. You're a man who likes to be productive. You're a little bit disappointed about your level of productivity.

I don't like to hurry up and wait aspect of days like today. I don't like the feeling of not being productive. And so, yeah, I'd much rather be like hold up in the dark getting writing. Yeah, but then you wouldn't get all the compliments on being Tan Duffy this week. Yeah, I could care less about that. I'd much rather be getting a lot of work done. And so, yeah, today I'm not in the best mood as we sit here today. It's only Wednesday, people.

Yeah, I know. It feels like Friday. Well, at least you have great Wi-Fi network here for a lot. Oh, my God. Like the only thing that people care about in this room is let's have good Wi-Fi, workable Wi-Fi. I couldn't even load our ads during the 1 o'clock show, 2 o'clock Eastern time. Yeah.

But our viewers don't care about that. They want to care about that. No, they don't care about that. They don't care about whether we're wearing pants. And the answer is no. We are not wearing pants. Oh, Mike G. Get your boy over here.

Let's get some Scoopy, Scoopy. Yeah, Mike's the man. I can get him on this week. Who cares about this week? Let's get him right now. Let's get a Zach Bram and pound the table. You want me to call him over? Yeah.

I can text him. Talk a little Kevin Petulow. You talked to Petulow today. You've got some insight on Petulow. I think we can get Mike G over here. Let's have a little Petulow sesh. All right, I'm texting him now. Here we go.

What table is this? 152-ish in front of. McAfee. What did you guys think of the way that the McAfee show made us look like? Zach got a big shoutout. And the last guy called Phil Jackson. Yeah. I'm actually complimented that I got compared to Field Yates.

I'll take Field any day. Like that's a good one. First of all, Fields is a respected football guy. He's on national television. I mean, like, I feel bad for Fields. But I will gladly take that. That was the closest I've ever heard, Zach, referring to the looks of another man. Oh. Well, I mean, look, no, he's on TV. They're not putting field on TV unless they feel he's presentable.

Presentable. Presentable. They're going to couch it back. Yeah. That's very funny. What did you learn from Kevin Petulow talking to him today, is that? Yeah, I'm just firing off this text. So, obviously, the context here being we all expect that he is the likely replacement for him more. I learned a ton about Kevin Beto. I've spoken to Kevin Patuo on a handful of occasions, but certainly not to the extent that of like specifically how would you function as an offensive coordinator.

And it was unspoken, but I imagine Kellnernerner, I'm sorry, I'm a Freudian slip there. I imagine Kevin understood the context of why I was asking these questions. He explained how he does have ambitions to be an offensive coordinator. He spoke about how he's had opportunities in the past and they have. haven't worked out or it wasn't the right time, but, you know, he's, he's confident about what's ahead or he's excited about what's ahead. I asked him specifically about this charge that we've discussed, that he'd just be an extension of Nick Siriani. And he put, he said that's unfair. And he had a long answer, and I'll have this in a story. I'll probably have

the story ready for when he's announced that we can drop then as opposed to Tourship full week. But he. A little preppy prep. Yeah. Yeah. Working ahead. there. He said that they actually disagree a lot. And he said if you're in that room, you would know that they disagree a lot. And he says that's part of why the relationship works. A matter

of fact, one thing Nick Siriani's told me in the past is that... This was a good framing from the Nussmeyer story. Yeah, Patoa was there to like, you know, call him out on his on his BS. When he's being an being an a-hole. Exactly. That's his job to tell him that, yeah. And he talked about like how how close he is

with Nick. And how they have that relationship. But you know what's interesting, too, is I didn't necessarily connect these dots until Kevin was telling me. This is something Frank can probably speak to better than me, but how connected he is to the staff in that he worked with Jason Michael in Tennessee and in Indianapolis. Okay. He worked with Aaron Moorhead with Texas A&M.

And Aaron Moorhead was his intern with the Colts. was his coaching intern at the Colts. He's obviously, so he has background with all these different coaches on the staff. He's a key part of the staff. He explained, and look, you can disagree with this description, but his duties are like half head coach, half offensive coordinator, okay? Like, he, because he helps out Nick with a lot of the head coaching responsibilities. He's Nick's right-hand man, and he helps out Kellan with a lot of the offensive coordinator responsibilities.

And he was charged with blending these two systems together. together. So. He's either. Okay, go ahead. Yeah. So that's kind of, I came away from multiple conversations today thinking that Kevin Patuels can be the next OC for the Eagles and I'll reserve judgment for how he would be. Do you prefer for the half and half head coordinator or offensive coach?

Head coordinator. That would be the title you would want. Yeah. Give us your thoughts on KP. I was about to say, yeah. I'm glad I didn't finish it. finish it i was going to say anything with but then i was like you know what anything with head in it is good by my book is essentially that was the sentence that you well i was i was starting to go down

that path and then i i thought before i spoke right which is a valuable thing on the show you meant to say dome julya is broken there was a lot of don't talk the other day with lorry yes yeah um yeah i think i think geoffrey probably likes it too yeah yeah I think the big thing with Kevin Petulow, you know, and this is with any, when you see a coach that gets promoted from one role to the next, because I think that I know, I get that there's a lot of like angst there with the fan base in terms of the inconsistencies we've seen with the past game over the course of not just this season, but over over the years, right? And I think when you look at, we've talked about how when offensive coordinators get promoted to head coach, that just because you were a good offensive coordinator doesn't mean that you'd be a good head coach. Some people are better head coaches than they are coordinator. and the same thing goes for position coach going to coordinator. All of these jobs have different responsibilities.

And so I would say much like what Zach said, I would reserve judgment. If you were a fan and you're worried about what that promotion would look like. Being an offensive coordinator, being a charge of calling plays, that is a different role than what Kevin has been asked to do in recent years since he's been here in Philadelphia. What I could say just from like personal experience in my previous role, working with the team and doing those film breakdowns

to do on a weekly basis, I always enjoyed the breakdowns that I did with Kevin Petullo. I always thought that he came off excellent in those, and he's very, very clear communicator. He's very articulate in terms of what he's looking for from all these guys at these different positions in the past game, very detail-oriented. And this is not compared to like the lay person,

but compared to other coaches that I have dealt with in the past across various staffs. And so for me, I'd be excited to see him in that role, and I'd be excited to see what he would bring to the table. And he's learned from a lot of different, offensive coaches. He hasn't just been with Nick Siriani in the past. And I think being able to pull some of those ideas that he's used in previous stops, it would be interesting to say. And to the communicating standpoint and stuff like that,

you do hear good things about him from the players that you talk to. I mean, even doing this story on his daughter a couple years ago. All those guys talked about just like the connection with Lauren, but that comes back to because they like Kevin a lot. if you are being the skeptic on it, you do want to know that I think there's an importance between he's not, there is separation between him and Siriani just because you have seen what happened this year. They wanted to take those reins away from Siriani.

And the flip side to that is as I think about it, what might be good about it is that Nick's relationship with Kevin would be good enough, you would think, that he would be willing to let him do it. You know what I mean? He would not feel like he needed to meddle because he has trust in the guy. Yeah, Nick and Kevin go back actually to when Nick came in to the NFL with the Kansas City Chiefs. He actually took over for Kevin Petuo and the quality control coach role. And actually Chan Galee had, who was the coach at the time, or the O.C. at the time, rather, had Nick call Patuo or Patuo call Nick to kind of discuss all that goes into it.

There's Malik Jackson, former eagle. Malik Jackson, former eagle. Yeah. There he goes. I remember he wore a very cool varsity jacket. I remember that, yes. As a signing for the Eagles. The question in the chat is a relevant one,

and that is if Kevin Petullo is so great, why wasn't he hired to replace Shane Steck in two years ago? Yeah, so the answer here is Brian Johnson was next in line, if I'm being honest with you. Okay. Brian Johnson was going to be an OC, whether it was in Philly or somewhere else. He had other O.C. There were other teams interested in Brian Johnson.

He was the quarterback's coach. He was thought of as a future coaching star by the front office at the time. The relationship with Jalen too. Yeah. So I think it was more, I don't think that was necessarily. Nick was like pounding the table for Brian Johnson. I think it was more Brian Johnson was considered next in line. I hate to say this.

I don't even want to say it. Well. But I have heard from other people in the league who believe that Howie is very covetous of those compensatory picks for when you lose a minority candidate. And so people thought that if the offensive coordinator gets a head coaching job

and it's Brian Johnson, the Eagles are going to get a third round pick. I don't believe that that is the case. But that is a thing that people in the league had said. I think that's, pretty unfair, frankly. Yeah. But, you know, I didn't want to say it, but that is the thing that I had heard.

I think it was... I think, I think people think of Howie as as that desperate for every single resource he can get, that it's a thing that they have thought about. Yeah, I mean, it was framed to me that, like, if Brian Johnson wasn't the O.C. in Philly, it would have been in Carolina. Right, or Baltimore. Baltimore, right, yeah. So, yeah, so that's...

And, right, and exactly. And so the way to keep both guys in the building is to give that, to make Brian Johnson. the offensive coordinator, keep Kevin Petulow. If you make Kevin Petulow the offensive coordinator, you lose Brian Johnson, right? Which I think is probably what was actually the case. Right. Super chat from Chase Daniel Plainview, who says,

sounds like Petulow has the skills to pay the bills, but does he have the abilities to pay the utilities? What does that mean? That's a bow question. What does that mean? I think it means we're all, have no idea what we're talking about right now. But thank you for your $4.99-cent's contribution. Corey got a good question for you though

Bo please say Kevin Petulow like Jason Derulo I think you just did it I think he wants you to do it I don't know I don't know the Jason Derrillo thing Oh really? Yeah I know he fell downstairs and busted his teeth once That's about my Jason the only popular music I'm listening to these days is Chapel Rhone Hmm She just won some Grammys yeah pink pony club big in our house

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Now, last I saw, I think about 63% of the public money thus far was actually backing the Eagles. Oh, I thought that I saw that it was heavy on the Chiefs. Yeah. I'll have to re-dive into that, but yeah. All right, I got the, these are, these are play. So passing yards, rushing yards, receiving yards. So let's get your instant thoughts here. I love this game.

Yeah, I don't want to do it anymore. That's not right, Zach. That's not right. 251.5 passing yards. Under. My gut also says under, and I feel like that's a stupid thing to say, but, yeah, I'm going to go under. I mean, if it's under, like, that's the Eagles win. Yeah, sure, yeah.

You know, I might switch over. Yeah. I'm looking to see how often he has hit that over. This is going to be very difficult for Zach, because Zach has a deep respect for the lines as they are placed. They're going to be precisely correct, so it's very difficult for you to. Those people are very good at their jobs. All right, so it's two, what was it? 251.5.

I mean, he's hit it like 50% of the time over the last eight weeks. That's why they're still going to throw out. My grandfather still always say. They didn't build those casinos because people won, right? Yeah. I'm going to take the over or the under. Okay. Oh, Jalen Hertz, 212.5.

Over. Under. Under. Ooh, I would lean over on this one. Devanté's going for 100 plus, so. All right, let's talk. That's halfway there. Let's talk receiving yards.

Travis Kelsey, 61.5. Over. Over. He had like two for 13 last week. He had the huge game in the divisional round. Under. My favorite story of the week last week, and like this is no knock on any of our colleagues. You know, I get it's like a cool thing.

It was actually the day we weren't at practice when we were doing the show. but Brent Selwick like practicing as the tight end and they're like Eagles are preparing for Travis Kelsey with Brent Selick and I'm like I'm like

Reed Blanketship really struggled so they pull Brent Selig out and Brent Selk's running around so you know they're taking Travis Kelsey seriously here I just remember

I remember seeing that and I'm like Brent's awesome Brent is my my first feature at the was on Brent's real estate career. How long has he been out of the league now? Brent's always a night.

You know, I've always enjoyed talking to Brent, but I think Brent would tell you he's not mimicking. He's not mimicking Travis Kelsey in practice. I just don't think they, at the time, they didn't have Nick Mews. Actually, they signed Nick Mews before, so they didn't really have a practice squad tight end, right? That's why Albert O. was there. He was waiting in the wings for this moment. So, yeah, so. But it's like, it's like the Eagles know they have Travis Kelsey, so they brought

Brett Selk to practice. It's very funny. That's very funny. Xavier Worthy, 52.5. I'm going to go under on that one. Under as well. Yeah, I'll go slightly under. But here's a chance to pull off a big one.

Yeah. That's the big play there, worries me. Sequin Barclay receiving yards. 13 and a half. This is one of your favorite. I feel like you went for this a few times during the season. I usually just have just been going with longest rush. That was there.

I think there's only one. time, but I actually do feel with two weeks to prepare, I think they I think they're going to have two plays cooked up for Sequin Barkley as a receiver. They're going to go crazy

and, you know, if one of them connects, you know, 13 and a half? 13 and a half, I like the over here. Did you check? It takes one. One, have we one play, right? I mean, it could be throughout the year. I feel like this is probably on the higher side. He has not done much as a reason.

There have been like three games, but it could It could be a dump off that he takes 16 yards, you know? Yeah, I'm going with Bo here. I'm going with the over. Look, you think back, I remember saying after week one, this season is about Brazil to Bourbon Street, right? Or Brazil to the Bayou, if you want. Bayou, Bayou, okay. So let's just go Bourbon Street, okay?

Brazil to Bourbon Street. Okay. Labor Day? Yes. President's Day. Brazil to Bourbon Street. So, I. I said then.

Bourbon. I remember saying it that week when he had that great touchdown catch in the corner of the end zone against the Packers. And you start the season with that and you end the season with that. What about that symmetry? I like that symmetry. A.J. Brown, 70 and a half. Over. Over.

Over. Over. Dallas Goddert, 49.5. Under. Under. Under the boardwalk We'll be placing some bets Under the boardwalk

Quick question for my first kiss was under a boardwalk Really? Let's unpack that How old? I think it was the summer of seventh grade into eighth grade. Okay, now was this like Hold on, your first What was the real like kiss? Okay, got it. Yeah. Like real kiss

Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little tongue. Yeah, oh yeah. Now we're Was this like a pre-planned meetup, or was this like you eyed each other on the boardwalk and it came to pass? It was a walk through town that led to the boardwalk. Okay. Now, how long, like, what was the lead in? How long were you working this angle before? A couple days.

Okay. You're putting your work. Classmates or like you met at the shore? No, summer shore meetup. Okay. Summer 11. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Happened so fast. 96th Street in Stone Harbor to the little mini boardwalk that they had in town, yeah. How high is, I don't know the boardwalk there? How high is the boardwalk there? It's just like a little mini guy. Good question. He's like, they're like hunched down.

Here we go. Let's get to it. Why does seventh grade Jamie sound like that? You got to hunch down. You turn into a hobbit out. This poor girl is, but it sounds terrible. I mean, the hormones made a troll. The horniness probably made me a troll.

Let's go around the horniness. Zach, first kiss. Oh, yeah. Let's get into this. I don't want to do this. We don't have to say the person's name. Where was it? Where was it?

It was sixth grade. Oh. Like, first, like, real kiss. Yeah, sixth grade. And I don't want to say where. You won't say where? No. Why?

What? Why? I'd rather not get into that, honestly. What is they love? location. Why is that a big deal? I'm really trying to just act with the... Is it a friend's house? Is it one of your brother's rooms?

I'm trying to think of why this would be... I brought a girl to my brother's room. I'm trying to figure out why it is that you would want to hide this. It was at like... A dance? There was dancing there, but it wasn't like a dance. A freak-off? Julia has no idea what you're talking about.

There was dancing there, but... but it wasn't a dance. This is a good riddle that maybe the troll who went under the boardwalk is asking you to solve. In order to have access to under the boardwalk, solve this riddle one. I'd rather... Let's just move on, pass. There was dancing there, but it wasn't a time. I want to be like Vic Fangio in the thing that the...

Play you right, just pass when you know... Fast, fast, but yeah. Fran? We're not doing this. We're not doing it? Why is it so? Yeah. This is water under the boardwalk.

Yeah, we're not doing this. We're not going to say an age. You're not going to say a location? Seventh grade. Seventh grade, okay. Bo? Seventh grade. Okay.

Yeah. Movie. Oh, which movie? What was the movie? Yeah. Titanic. Oh. Wow.

That's a long one. So you had an ample opportunity. All right. What point in the movie? I have no idea. I have no idea. Before or after, paint me like one of your French girls. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Honestly, I have no idea. Okay. Was the theater crowded? I've told the story before, though. That was more of like a, like everybody was, we were both nervous. You just, you did it once and it was like, it wasn't, there wasn't much more than that. Okay. The bigger one, as I've said, was the other sister, which really got everybody going.

What's it? What? Excuse me? I'm not familiar with the way you're asking. I've told this story before. It's deeply embarrassing. But yeah, that was the first real makeout movie. Oh, the movie's the other sister.

Oh, no, no, it wasn't the first one's sister. Oh, the movie, no, the movie, the other sister. Yes, her. That gets through confusion, yeah. But the other sister. But that is also, it's not a great... It's passing you around the family, right? We have a $5 super chat from Grace Min.

It says, if you keep grilling... Zach, I will keep super chatting. Right, Zach, you're a company man. You're a company man. You got to give us a location. It's a dance, but there was dancing, but it wasn't a dance. Sounds a basement party? It's like a house party.

No. A festival. No. A family reunion. What? No. You know Grace is a loyal listener? Grace, I appreciate.

I don't know why. It was at a I can't It was at a bar mitzvah, okay? It was at a bar mitzvah. There's definitely dancing, that's like a very normal answer. Okay, yeah. Julia, how about you?

She's got to think. She's thinking she's staring off whistful Asian. Oh, spin the bottle. Spin the bottle. Oh, just like a movie. Oh, fifth. Fifth grade. Wow.

How advanced. Oh, well, if spin the bottle counts, that wasn't, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. Spin the bottle counts. Of course it counts. But that wasn't like a full, like, makeout. Well, you don't know how Julia played.

I should think that was. Grace. Grace is a super chance. I was kidding, make it end. I'm with you, Chris. I'm with Grace. All right.

Wait, I did have a question for you guys, though, before that. This started with Dallas Goddard. Did it? Oh, yeah, we're playing under. Dallas got her. Oh, God. Okay.

Is this his last game with Eagles? Yes or no? Oh. Oh. What's his contract situation? Uh, it swells, are not, is there an out after this year? Yeah, yeah, there's an out. No.

Fran? Uh, no. Oh? Yes. Yeah, I agree. I, I, I'm very close to saying yes, but. I agree. By the way, as, um, just, I think I might be jumping the gun a bit on Patuo.

I'm not sure Patoa is going to be the O-C. We'll, we'll kind of see what happens. What are you? What, you're all of a sudden backtracking? No, no, no. I'm just, I'm just, I'm not. What changed in the last 38 minutes? He's shared a lot of information since that point.

There might be people watching this show. I'll put it that way. You know how Franz said? I'm sorry, how Fiddy said people watch our show? Not a done deal. There might be people watching the show. I'll put it that way. Do they enjoy the spin the bottle conversation?

They're no longer watching the show. They're like, where's Finney? Yes. Let's finish this game. Devante Smith, 50 and a half. I was glad that we're betting back to this game. Oh, easy over. Give me big money on that one.

On what? Devante, 50 and a half. It worries me it's that low. Yeah. But over. He's got this bulky hammy. That's true. Over.

Over. I don't care. I feel pretty good about over here, too. Over. That's why I actually feel pretty good about Jalen over. I know. So do I. So do I.

You don't have a feeling on this one, Zach? Over. Okay. All right. Rushing yards now. And then we'll close and then we'll get to Mena. Sequin and Barclay, what do you think the number is here? Oh, so last game, I believe, off top of my head, it was 1, 12 and a half in the NFC championship?

I mean, bingo, bango, bunga, you just hit it exactly. 1, 12 and a half. Jamie with the dead on, right between the eyes. Some call me a degenerate. What do you think? It's 1,12 and a half. Over. Yeah.

I can't bet an under with him. Everybody's feeling good about the Eagles offense. Slightly under. Okay. Jalen hurts 37 and a half. Rushing? Yes. Under. Under. Over.

Under. Okay. Kind of lean over too. This is fun. Dallas Goddard half a yard after what we saw last week or two weeks ago. Under. Under. Under.

What about passing yards? Nothing. Mahomes, 31.5. under he has been such a back-breaking scrambler in like high leverage moments in playoff games obviously remember the big one in the

Super Bowl in 22 I might take the over there okay a super chat for Midiot Sandwich who says Employees ZB Empowers on Super Bowl Sunday I'm okay over under how many employees you empower

oh I look I mean I see I'm just going to say this here. I love being a reporter. Okay, I'm very proud of it. I got to admit that reporters are not like the most polite people sometimes. Yeah, no doubt about it. Yeah. So I am...

It's important to go out of your way to... Yeah, I will go out of my... Like, I will go out of my way. These people working security and, like, they're, you know, doing the transcription stuff. There are people cleaning up, like picking up our trash. Like, yeah, absolutely. Like, you know, the least I can do is, like, be nice to them for this. Totally.

What's the line? 2.5. Over, way over. Yeah, clear over. Way over. Over 2.5. That's going to be walking in. It's going to be over.

It's like, it's like 23 and a half. And then the last one, this is not, this is not, I don't have an opinion on these ones, but I think it's notable that they are so low. Karim Hunt and Isaiah Pacheco, Kareem Hunt, 41.5, Pacheco 23 and a half. Yeah, Pacheco has been. basically a non-factor for them in the last few games. Karim Hunt has been the running back to worry about for them in the postseason, but even then, I mean, it was Mahomes that led them in rushing against Buffalo.

I'll take the under on Pacheco. I might take the under on Hunt, too. I would probably lean over on Hunt under on Pacheco. Yeah, I think there's a path in this game, which we've talked about where, like, the Chiefs basically don't run the ball after the first quarter. Yeah. Like, they just completely abated in the run.

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The tops. Oh, with the two things here and then the thing across the bottom, it looks like a face. The number changes it a little bit, but you still see the face. Good point. But anyways. You got to accessorize the drip with that.

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Happy to have them on. And happy now to throw to a quick but insightful conversation with ESPN's Mina Kimes. All right, back on Radio Row. We are very happy to be joined by Mina Kimes of ESPN, who is a bit of an Eagles family. I am in the, yeah. I have Eagles

Allegiances through my in-laws who are like hardcore WIP listener Eagles fans We got to listen to PHY I'll tell them about it Like send me memes

About the Eagles Right I'm like Thumbs up So I don't have like a rooting interest But I would like them to be happy Sure you're a pro Let's talk about some of the big football things in this game

Line of Scrimmage My question is And one thing we've been talking about lot is how will the chief's approach trying to block Jalen Carter? Are they going to try to go Trey Smith on him one-on-one? Will the Eagles move Jailen Carter to the other side? Are they going to then maybe single or double-team Jailen Carter, but then Milton Williams gets a one-on-one?

To me, that's like that's the fun, the most fun chess match of that side of the ball. Yeah, it is, especially since with Joe Tuni playing outside now, it is where they're ostensibly vulnerable, but it happens to be where the Eagles are strongest on the inside. What if they pull the switcheroo and put Tune there? That would be crazy. I actually, there was a game. I think it was when DJ Humphreys came back where there was a question about whether Tuney would play insider outside and nobody really knew until the last second. So there could be maybe some shenanigans, especially if like Jalen Carter would start taking over the game and they might have to make that adjustment.

The Tray Smith matchup obviously is their best. Well, no, Creed Humphrey is amazing too. Pardon me. But he's very, very good. Sure. So part of me thinks that they are comfortable singling him up as comfortable as anyone is just because you do want to give Calliando. help. I was just taping a preview pod with Ben Silak, our mutual friend. And I told him that Milton Williams actually ranks fourth amongst every defensive lineman and pass-fresh win in the playoffs,

which is crazy. You know, we got your Chris Joneses and whatnot. So that is not something you're comfortable with either. It's going to be a big offseason for Milton. Yeah, he's going to cash in. I sort of think that that side of the ball, it's kind of a narrow spread. Like I don't think that either side, the Eagles defense or the Chiefs offense is going to dominate that matchup. And so the variance comes on the other side. Spags is going to throw all kinds of stuff. I think it's possible that the Eagles could run all over the Chiefs. I also think it's possible that they could be completely snuffed out.

How do you see it playing out? I think they'll be able to run on them. The Chiefs, over the course of the season, had a pretty good run defense. But in the postseason, they've actually been giving up a lot of yards on the ground to significantly inferior. Well, the Bills have a great run game. But the Texans, like, ran on them, which kind of surprised me. And a lot of that was just getting downhill, running away from Chris Jones, running away from Trent McDuffie. But there are vulnerabilities there, pardon me, on the ground.

The Spaggs aspect of it is, I think, where you get a little bit nervous if you're an Eagles fan. Hertz has been certainly better against the Blitz this year, but the way he blitzes is not, you know, it's not just like a man pressure. So I think his ability to confuse him and not just him, the interior of the Eagles offensive line at the line of scrimmage, which you've seen some issues with and the postseason could be big. Do you think that this is going to be Spagg sort of inviting the Eagles to try to move the ball downfield slowly,

not give up the big run and make them prove it in the red zone or do you think he's going to go sort of Spag's balls to the ball? I think he's going to be pretty aggressive about playing the run. Actually, I was just, I think it was Miles Gere was talking about maybe the possibility of run

run blitzing. Miles and I were just talking. He said he wanted to be an eagle. I brought that up to him. Yeah. I said, because we talked about his trade destinations and I was like, what about the two teams who are playing? He was like, yeah.

Like, he didn't say, you know, that those are, but they were very clearly. Breaking news. Miles Garrett wants to be an eagle. I mean, it makes, one thing he did say that is pertinent is, you know, he talked about stylistically. I asked, do you have like a, because, you know, you think Miles Garrett, four down front, not a blitz happy defense. It's not a, you know. It is also like, I think if the Eagles could add any non-quarterback in the,

league to their team, it would be Miles Garrett because Josh Schwett's probably going to leave. Brandon Graham's probably going to retire. They're picking 31. Like, you know, if they don't win this game and it's like, what's the final thing we could do to get over the hump? I mean, you know that how he's going to look into it. That's literally true of every playoff. Of course.

Like, I mean, it's not, but you, I would say uniquely when I look at the bills, the lions, the Eagles, they all just need that, right? Like, everybody needs a Miles Garrett, no doubt. Yeah, but that is actually specifically what a lot of. the postseason contenders need. I'm going to let you go quickly. Let's just get you quick. Jalen Hertz temperature check.

How much does this game move the needle for you in the way that you think about him? Well, the way I'll put it is this. Jalen Hertz just played the best game of his entire season. I just watched the Super Bowl, and that was the best game of his career. For sure. If he has another great performance, we have to start talking about him as a big game

superstar. Sure. Because whatever you think about where he stacks over the regular season and you compare him to Mahomes as your Alans Lamar's. None of that matters if he plays his best football in the biggest moments. And that is what he has done as a Philadelphia Eagle. And if he does that again in the Super Bowl, it's such a meaningful part of his football legacy.

And I think that's not just the national conversation. I think that's in the building the way that they think about Jill and Hurts. I think there are some questions. But you have also seen two years ago, he was so much more relaxed during Super Bowl week than we ever see him during the regular season and he goes out and plays the best game of his life. I'm not saying that that's causation or correlation,

but it's like he does embrace these moments. If that was a real thing, that's maybe how it would manifest. I agree. And listen, he certainly has the pieces around him to pull it off right now. All right. Mina Kimes from ESPN, thank you so much for joining us much on PHOI. All right. Thank you very much. Mr. Bigel'sworth.

Thank you very much to Mina Kimes. And thanks to Jamie for making it happen. Very, she was lovely. Fantastic. Yeah, very, very polite. You know what's, it's, it's, when you are like... She was getting inundated with stuff, too, and like... She's like everyone's favorite person.

Yeah. Everybody wants to bring her on. That's got to be kind of a pain, but she's doing with a smile on her face. Yeah. I'm envious. That's how I wanted to be. I want to walk by here one day and people be like, you come on, you come on. It's awesome.

Yeah. These people love your work. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's what I'm, I mean, one day I hope I'm coming in here and I'm in demand. That'd be cool. Okay. Yeah. I believe in you, Zach.

Appreciate it, man. Thank you. Thank you. You know, a lot of, it's not after last. I mean, you want to, you want to really, you want to really walk through a place and feel the eyes of the media ogling you? Try being Dan Bruegel or in Indianapolis. Right. I mean, that's.

There were a few things. There were a few clarifications I had. with yesterday's show. I was not thrilled with that. But by the way, I stand by, like, I answered the question literally because it was your draft. So the question was for Marissa, who worked at the company that employs Dane. So therefore, I was being literal, your draft person, right?

She did say, she said our. She said our. Yep. Hour. She said our favorite. Or yes. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. So it's her network or her company, number one.

but I don't feel that I properly conveyed my sentiment about youth sports, okay? Oh, no. And I had to. Did you get castigated for this? I had such a nice text for my father-in-law. It was a beautiful text. And I didn't convey it correctly, okay? This is why he doesn't want to share this stuff.

Yeah. I just want to, so there is, no, there is an expression that I use to my son often, which is that I don't care what you do. I care how you do it, right? And so I'm less, so like, I typically don't like cheer for him if he just, with a dribbler or a home run, right? But to me, it's like, are you being a good teammate? Are you having a good attitude?

Are you not, like, whining out there? Things like that. That tends to be like what gets me excited, like, because I'm pretty... Larry Fitzgerald? Is that what Fitzgerald says? Well, no, but like the, at you. Oh, yeah. Always be gracious and hand the ball over and don't show boat.

Like, my pet peeve is always, was always like the parents who thought, like, their kid was, like, amazing in sports. I'm like, look, your day of reckoning is going to come. If it's the best. No, no. No, I mean, maybe that's not the expression. But no. No, you know, like, the Little League dad? No, you know, like the Little League dad who thought.

They've gone from Little League to Babe Ruth and. He's ex wielding a sword. No, I just mean, no, I mean, like, the little league dad who thinks, like, his son is amazing. Then he gets to middle school, and he's not. Or the middle school dad, he thinks this. And then he gets, and so, like, you always get, you know, you get to a level, to quote our thing, there's levels to this. But I think how you play, like, how you play indoors. And so the conversations I have with my son are less like, you did a great job out there playing, but it's more you were cheering on your teammates, you know.

You were doing that kind of stuff. Sure, but it is also totally fair for the grandparents to just be celebrating Reed for whatever. Yeah, and his sentiment, again, I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here. I can summarize it is that he did not have a son, so he didn't have the opportunity to cheer on. So it's like, it's such like a pleasure. That's very sweet. And I respect that. I just don't want.

Julie's going to cry. I just don't want, like, to be motivated by achievement. I want to be motivated by process, right? Okay. I agree. Like, there are levels that you want to try and attain to. Like, if you have a, like, let's say that you were writing a book about the Eagles, like you want to get to, like, the best Eagles book ever.

Yeah. The official Eagles encyclopedia by Ray Dindinger, until you reach that point, you want to make sure you act the right way until you get there. Okay. if we had on Raising the Hall of Fame I believe If you were playing this game with Mina Kimes And you said our favorite Eagles beat reporter

Okay or she said our favorite Eagles beat reporter My answer would have been Tim McManus Because that's her beat reporter Her colleague Yeah her colleague That's why I answered with my I've there is no one who's been championing Fran on the airwaves more than I have

like I am, I am vehemently doing this. And by the way, now is a great time to become a diehard. Great deal going on $36 for 12 months. Or give it away. You cannot. The Eagles go to the Super Bowl. You get a super deal. You get all of Fran Duffy's content.

I do imagine, though, however, that your father-in-law, Zach, was actually low-key, pretty pleased that you referred to Emily as Emily Rickle. No, she actually, we don't have to get into this. I bet he was happy about that. Little family names? Yeah. Yeah, I said, I told him she should be proud of that. She should be proud of her family.

So, absolutely. All right, fair enough. Let's just not say anything for like 30 seconds so that I can then tell the people that I'm glad that they're watching on Fast. And then we can throw to Joey Porter after that. How's everybody doing? Fantastic. Zach? I'm hungry. Real hungry.

Yeah. I haven't had lunch since we've gotten to. I haven't had lunch since Sunday. Yeah, we haven't had lunch since Sunday. That's accurate. We've had dinner, and I haven't had breakfast either, so I've been. I did have breakfast this morning knowing that this was going to be a long home. I had it yesterday. I didn't have breakfast this morning. I'm struggling. I am. It's a tough scene, man. Yeah. They can do a little better job for being honest. We are extremely fortunate to be here. Sure. A little grub, some food trucks outside, something, a little effort.

Julia? She's loopy. Thanks for watching on Fast. We appreciate that on your televisions. Stay tuned to or make sure you go over to all-PHly.com to check out the rest of the show. With that in mind, we send you now to a very football guy conversation between Fran Duffy, What do you want to tell us a little of a teasey tease, Fran Duffy and Joey Porter Jr. talking edge tactics.

Yeah, as we started the conversation, I wanted to go one way, and hearing him talk about, you know, his path to greatness as a player, there was a player on the Eagles that it kind of reminded me of and so we talked through it a little bit. What a pro. Joined by a man who knows a thing or two

about winning the big game, winning the Super Bowl, former All-Pro, former Super Bowl champion, Joey. initial thoughts going into this game. Eagles Chiefs rematch from a couple years ago. It's going to be a good game. I think both teams now know each other. They played each other. It's going to be a good game. Last time it was the Kelsey Brothers was the big storyline. Now it's just Eagles versus Kansas City.

And, you know, Eagles didn't win the last one. So it's going to be a good game. Obviously, you saw Mahomes early on in his career. How much has he grown and how difficult is he to go up against from a pastor? rusheser standpoint knowing he doesn't like to take sacks he hasn't thrown a pick in like two months when you're going up against a guy like that what goes through your mind is a pass rusher well know that he still has he's a runner yeah like he's a he's so good of a passer I think we underestimate how good he is when he decides to keep the ball and I think the further they go in the playoffs he keeps the ball more than normal because like he ain't going to turn over the ball

He's not trying to turn over the ball. So he'll take him run. He'll run for that third to get that first down. You got, I think it's tough because he can pass it. But when they get to the Super Bowl, just pay attention to how many times he keeps the ball to keep these first downs a lot. The Eagles know that well.

He had that huge run towards the end of that game two years ago. As a pass rusher, is that discipline and technique? Are there schematic things that you try and do to try and keep him contained? What goes into that? It's sticking to the way of the game plan. The game plan is plus to keep him in front of him. can't nobody being selfish and lose their rush lane. I'm not going to give him the edge.

Like I'm still going to rush hard, take the edges, but I'm going to need my two middle guys to push the pocket. I'm going to make him find the gap that he's. So when I say find it, the push rush is coming so good. You've got to find out where it's at. But if the outside guys take inside moves, then obviously he's going to step outside. If the inside guys jump outside their gap,

he just goes step foot forward. You can't give him the obvious. You got to rush him the regular way. and make like don't give them nothing egregious and when I say that is if you give him a soft corner the inside comes the outside guys take the inside move and don't tell the other guy to cover him man he's going to run he's going to take that yeah I mean it's going to be easy yeah and then the chiefs they've got another defensive player on that side and Chris Jones who has been you know such a magnet in terms of drawing protection the last time these two teams played

the eagle slid his way a number of times what does that mean for everybody else along the when you know, hey, you know what, they're going to try and double Chris Jones, we've got to make sure we win our one-on-ones. Well, you want to win your one-on-ones. If you're a pass-wrest, you're happy to have somebody like Chris Jones, it's going to take a double. Because you're giving me one-on-one. And if I have the one-on-one for 65 snaps, man, it's my job to get home.

You know what I mean? So a lot of these guys, ain't nobody sneaking to the Super Bowl. Everybody's playing in this game, been doing some stuff to this is what's got them here. Don't change that. now. You hear play even harder than what you did. It's going to work out. I've talked with rushers in the past who will say like, you know what, if I know I've got a move that's going to beat this guy, I feel really good about it. Do you save that for like a critical moment? Are you trying to set things up as the game?

I'm setting up my past rush from the first play. First place, I'm just going to hit you with speed. We're going to warm them feet up. I'm going to see how far you go jump out like because we're going to be in the track with me. I'm going to beat you with speed around the corner. Even if I don't beat you, I'm going to see how far I got you jumping out. And then everything I do works off that. Because the speed got you opening it up, I'm going to come back and take the inside. And then once I take the inside, now you don't know if I'm going inside or speed.

So now I get you to the point where I can come off the ball and work my stutter. Now when I stutter, you're going to shimmy in with me because you don't know if I'm going inside or outside. Right? Sure. So me, I'm setting up the pass rush the whole game. I'm a pick and choose my spots when I want to use certain moves. But it's a game. Like if I start off, like when I go back to me saying I'm starting off with speed,

the whole reason why I'm starting off speed is to get you to kick back much as you can. So if I'm coming off the ball with speed and I'm beating you off the ball with speed and by the time you're getting to me, it's on your third kick. Right. Guard right here, right? One kick, two kick. Look how much space is in there. Sure.

Sure. A lot of space. I don't need all that. but I don't open you up. I got you to open that gate, so I'm gonna take that space. And once I take that once, now you don't know where I'm going.

Nolan Smith is a guy in his second year, has taken a huge jump, and he's a guy that has that ability. We've seen him over the course of the season. He can win with speed. Everyone knew that he had that in his bag, but he shows that power, that ability to win low side as well. When you've got to get, when did the light turn on for you? I mean, it was year two,

year one was basically a red shirt for him last year, last year and he's had like eight sacks down the stretch in the second half. When did that light turn on for you as a rusher in the NFL? And what was it that allowed that light to turn on for you that way? Well, it's turned on for me my second year because I actually had more reps. Yeah. I only, I never started no games in my rookie year, but I got the second half or the week 16, I got to play the whole second half. So that was the most snaps I got in a handful of size. So I had like 25, 30 reps myself.

Did what I did after that, took the starting spot. So my second year into the league, my confidence is growing now because I'm running with the ones. I'm getting the reps. That means I'm going against our best guy all the times. I'm building my confidence because I'm going against Wayne Gandhi. He's our highest paid tackle. I'm on the right side outside linebacker.

So I go against our best tackle. So like, if I get Wayne Gandhi on a couple, of practices. I got the confidence because I know how good Wayne Gandy is. So it's reps, man. The reps is going to make you feel good about what you're doing because if you're not getting no reps, you don't know if none of this shit works. Honestly, as you're listening to you talk about it, it's very similar to Nolan. You know, Nolan had the vet on the other side. You had Jason Gilden. You know, he has Josh Sweat. Last year, basically that redshirt year came on in year two. So, I mean, look, this is going to be a huge opportunity for him. The last question I've got for

You were a guy that came up with big plays and big games. Is there something to that? Do you think some guys just have that ability when the lights are brightest to just be able to turn that up? It's the thing that you have inside of you already that you visualize yourself making these plays. I always thought it was going to be me on a third down. I feel like I'm my best best best wrestler. Who else is my counting home to get home on third and that? It's third and 11.

I think the team is hoping that it's going to be me. So when we're playing now, I know what's going to go into TJ, It's going to be him. I'm going to know it's going through Highsmith mind. It's going to be him. Like, if you don't think it's going to be you, it ain't going to never be you anyway. But I come in knowing I'm our best pass rusher. Who else am I thinking that's going to win this game?

It's a mindset. Man, I feel like the team is counting on me. It's third and 13. This is Joey's turn. The same night when we get the third and 13 with T.J., you're like, TJ about to shut the door. Him or Highsmith? It's the same thing.

Like, you're not looking for your nose tackle to be that guy, right? You're looking for your best pass rusher to show up in all past situations. Mind you, they're down by seven to two-minute drills, all pass. I'm looking for the guy that I pay $150 million. Show up now. It's your turn. Like, I'm the best pass rusher. This is past rusher time.

I have to show up. And you were a guy that also, like, earned that right to rush the pass. or right with what you did on early downs. Oh, man. Yeah, so like, I don't think you put the blame on nobody else. You put the, you put the responsibility on the guys that you pay for that situation. The quarterback, when you need the two-minute drill to go down and score a touchdown, this is why you pay him $250 million to complete these passes.

Ain't no different when it's a defense trying to shut the game out and they're passing. This is why you have good pass rushers. This is their turn. All the plays they make on first and second down is good. What do you do when we need a second down? attack. Last question for you. Obviously, your son is playing with the Steelers right now has gone up against both of these offenses. You're going up against a team with the Eagles where it's run first. They're going to be smashed mouth and they've got that ability

to beat you on the outside. Kansas City, they're a little bit different in terms of how they want to try and attack you. What's your flavor? You personally, you're Joey Porter looking at the way that both these offenses try to attack you. Which one do you lean towards? I'm coming from old school to run the football with some good passing. So like the scheme that Philly has, I know that scheme, right? We had Jerome Bettis, we ran the ball, we played good defense. That was our formula. I'm always lean on the formula that I won with.

Now, Kansas City won three and played in four, so they have their formula. Like, who's going to say their formula don't work? I just never had a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes. So what they have over there for them is what they have. And it's proven it works. So it's like a fighter. Do you like the way they run the ball? Do you like the way they pass the ball?

because one do it better than the other one. Kansas City don't run the ball like they do. Philly don't pass it the way Kansas City do. Stiles make fights. That's why this will be a good fight. Who do you like to win? Man, I'm born in Kansas City, and I live in Pennsylvania. You know what I mean?

I don't have a dog in the fight, but I got some coaches that I'm rooting for to hope they get theirs. I'll keep that to myself because I don't have a dog on the fight. Ain't no reason for somebody to be mad at me. That's right. Well, Joey, appreciate it. Thanks for much for joining us, and we'll talk soon. All right, bro, appreciate it.

Thanks, man. Now, the audio listeners need to know after listening to that great interview with Joey Porter Jr., that the commenters going absolutely berserk over Fran Buffy, fucking swole. It's all seafood and barbecue from the last two weeks. Fran hit me with the barbecue pick last week, and I was very jealous. I did request a pick. It was kind of like food porn, like send it to me. And made a move.

Yeah, don't get too excited. Okay. You're looking good. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. Zach, any final thoughts? Enjoyed the show and looking forward to a better day tomorrow. Like, tomorrow's the last time this season will have, you know, interviews during, you know, other than post-game.

Actually, there's clean enough. out day. But these two days are the Super Bowl, my favorite days. So eager to talk to the players tomorrow. You're going to talk to some of the assistant coaches tomorrow. And we're getting closer and closer to game time. Anything else on all p.hly.com? Yeah. So Les Bowen has a quick thing up from Stoutland. He spoke to Stout. He'll have another piece on Carson Wenz. I have something on Hallie Roseman that will drop either tonight or tomorrow morning. I need to get that off my plate. Then I have another feature. I've been. been working on.

And at this point, the game's getting close. I can't promise you three more stories. I was hoping a story a day here. But we will. You also need to get some sleep. Yeah. Not a great night for you. Yeah.

Worse than the previous nights for the listeners following along. Yeah. To the point where you showed it to Julia and she said, was that your REM sleep? And he said, no, that was all of the sleep. Yeah. But that was also me rolling over in bed. I didn't sleep continuously. but we don't I want to cut back on me talking about my sleep habits on the show I think it's like I think that there's a little fatigue about my fatigue

actually I actually think that we have several doctors who have been listening and chime me in and saying like listen to me trying to shake your shoulders like we got to fix this I get it I'm with you guys I'm with you I get it I'm really trying to get these stories out I will have my my chief's notes ready to go I'm hoping to finish them up tonight after get some dinner and we'll have that. We're going to talk a little more. We're going to talk a little bit more about the nuts and bolts of the matchup on tomorrow's show. We will also have the conclusion to swooper sorecasting on tomorrow show at 1 o'clock. But as a little bit of a tease, is there, is there, and everything is over analyzed about this matchup? Yeah. But is there one little thing that you feel like is not getting quite enough attention?

Hmm. I mean, to me, to me, the most important one is the Spaggs, pressure schemes going up against Jalen Hertz. And it's the things that we've talked about for a number of these matchups and all the playoff matchups. It's like we feel comfortable about the Eagles ability to run the football. We feel comfortable about this defense. The biggest cause of concern would be what happens if the past game does not perform up to

expectation. But we've been saying that for two months and they continue to excel and to put Ws on the scoreboard. And so yeah, but to me they got to do it one more game and going up against Spags. And this playoff game plan, a postseason game. game plan from Steve Spacknolo is as big of a test as you're going to come across. Go ahead. No, you can ask him.

I was just going to give you one thing after that. I was not going to ask him anything. I was going to ask Jamie something. So you go ahead. Okay. So this just came out from Ian Rappaport that the Rams are retaining past game specialist, a Nate Schill House or Schill House or Schill House. What's the pronunciation?

Shield was. Could be any of them. Okay. He said it's, he said it's Schill House. Shield House. Shield House. Shield would know. That's what he said.

I'm saying she'll would know because he would have that pronunciation. I think that's why he said it because it's Sheal. So Nate Sheelhaus, despite interest from the Jags and being their new OC, so you wonder if he's bypassing O.C. jobs together. And I bring that up because Ziegles interviewed him last cycle. And he would be, if you're looking for an external candidate after the postseason, he would be like the external kind of that's currently employed. He'd be the external promotion candidate.

But if he's passing on the Jags job, although Jags job isn't coming with play calling, so that might be a distinction. We'll see. This is going to be interesting. That's a good. That's a good. That's do.

Jamie, you wanted to, before we left, touch on bidetis. Yeah, I heard your comment the other day on the show, and somebody in the chat mentioned the Port-a-Potty having a bidet. and I think 2025 is a year of promoting men's health, women's health, self-health. Everybody should own a bidet. They're like $40, and they're life-changing. And they're amazing, and it's good butt health, and I am as pro-baday as a man could be.

How about this? We're not going to get ourselves a bidet sponsor. We do. How about this? Because... If the Eagles win the Super Bowl, maybe I'll just buy you all bidetes. Well, no, because I'm interested in self-improvement. And also because I think this is a topic we've exhausted on the show,

I will purchase a bidet and I will get one. It's $40. I thought bidet's are like $500. Well, if you want the warm water fancy ones, and you have to like upgrade to that pay range. But like there's like $35 to $50 ones on Amazon. This is interesting because I was wondering how on earth it was that you made such a $180 on this. $40?

And it was the $40. I heard that. I thought bidetes. I mean, it is technology, Zach. Yeah, well, that's it. And he said if there's something that's $40, you say, it's going to change my life, then I will spend, like, $40, life-changing. I'm in, okay?

I thought I'm looking at $500, get the plumber to come. Oh, no, no, no, no. Self-install. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought I was going to have to, like, you know, change the whole routing of the water. No, just a little splitter, one to the bidet, one to the tank, easy-peasy. So now my water bill's going up.

No. Yeah. Shower fresh feeling every time. It's amazing. Everybody should get one. I am not getting a bidet. Why? Because you just look up the price?

I have someone watching that home. You can barely see them. They're right. That's perfect. That's a great way to end this episode. I missed my bidet. Well, you know, I've been on the road a lot of the last two weeks. You know?

Oh, that's so funny. All right. Thank you so much for joining us for this episode. The second episode of this day, this bid day. Thank you to Mina Kimes. Thank you to Joey Porter Jr. Thank you to Chris. Thank you to Julia, who is just absolutely crushing it this week.

Thank you to. Thank you to Jamie. Thank you to Fran. And thank you to Cam Durgan. We got a little snacky snack there, Bo. Thank you to the boardwalks of past lives and all that good stuff. And stay tuned because tomorrow we've got even more coming your way. Another two shows, 2 o'clock Eastern Time.

6 o'clock Eastern time, social content, YouTube content, out the wazoo, should be a lot of fun. So thanks to everybody for watching, listening. We will talk to you tomorrow,

and as always, we love you. We're all silly like the mayor.