PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - PHLY Eagles Podcast | Brazil-bound Philadelphia Eagles plan to start Nakobe Dean at LB with Devin White out

Episode Date: September 4, 2024

As they prepared to board their long flight to São Paolo, the Eagles dropped a surprise on the injury report. Devin White is out with an ankle injury, paving the way for Nakobe Dean to start, which might have been the case anyway. Do we feel any better at all about the Eagles’ linebackers than in recent past? Yikes!Rich Hofmann, Jamie Lynch and Bo Wulf count down the hours to the season opener, with Zach Berman joining from Brazil. Tuning in is the only way to find out whether he’s wearing a banana hammock! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Ola Pesal. And welcome to the P.HLY Eagles podcast presented by Bet365. Download the Bet365 app and use code PHLY365 when you sign up. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bet365. Hello, everybody. Two days away from the season opener in Sao Palo. Bowulf here. Handsome Rich Hoffman to my left.

Jamie Lynch further to my left. guys how are we doing we're two days away from the season opener and throughout the season you two are going to be mostly taking the reins on these Wednesday shows how we doing yeah doing doing real well excited to uh to do Wednesdays with Rich here and talk some birds uh did a good job of pacing the excitement levels like had it kind of bottled up and uh this week it's starting to run through wall yeah yeah this is fun like say we still haven't seen Seyuan Barkland in eagles jersey you know what I mean like you guys have because you've been down there most days But I haven't.

I don't know if Rich has or not. I've seen him in pictures. Yeah, but run. Yeah, but I want to see him play. So, you know, we're two days away. It's pretty damn awesome. Now, both of you have gone on the record with some predictions, which everybody can read on our big drop on all p.hly.com,

our P.HLYEGELS season preview. You have 10 brand new stories on there. Sequin Barclay, Jamie mentions. Well, Zach, you know, and he did the classic Zach thing. He went to the hometown. He went to the place where he gets his food. You got a whole story of Sequin coming home and why it was a no-brainer for him to sign with the Eagles.

You've got our predictions. You've got the roster rundowns. You've got Cuzz writing about why the Eagles are so in the zeitgeist. Now you shouldn't take it for granted. You've got Fran breaking down what's going to be different about the Kellynne Moore scheme. You've got Cam Jurgens ready to take over for Jason Kelsey. Les Bowen writing about Jalen Hertz.

Rich has a rundown. of the schedule, all good stuff, become a diehard, go check out that P.HLY Eagle Season preview. Now, we do have some news, guys. We're going to talk to Zach in a minute in Sao Paulo. I do want to, maybe we should take bets on how long he slept because I know that was a big, and

maybe in the chat, weigh in if you think, let's go over under four and a half hours of sleep. Do you think he went over or under there? But Rich, let's hear from you. How are you feeling like excitement level about this Brazil game? I know you wrote about it in the newsletter that you're a little, it's a little bit on your radar that this doesn't seem like the best laid plans of Roger and men.

No, it doesn't. I think you agree with me as well. It's a dissent. I think you 100%. I mean, I think it's cool. It's cool. But I don't think they've done it well. No, it's all from the NFL and the Eagles perspective.

And I guess what I would say, Bo is just, if you're going to go to a country, cool, embrace it. That you've never been to before, like the league. Right. Yeah. And a country that you have mentioned is like, a lot of. NFL football fans there, right? They, you know, they love the beautiful game. They have their soccer dominance as well.

But they love football. There are so many kind of Eagles, Brazil accounts. And, you know, I think it's very cool that they're going there. But like, can we have some planning here? Can we have some, you know, this idea of, oh, man, the players have this don't do list. And, you know, like, where's the fan outreach, right? You know, where's the clinics for the little kids? And it just seems like, I mean, the Eagles, along with Zach, are flying.

lying two days before. And Zach, I'm not worried about him. Like the person who sleeps, you know, his sleep schedule is very clear that he could bounce back and, you know. I mean, I'm worried long run. This is the start of the marathon. You know, he can't be sprinting mile one as he's got the specter of the full season barreling down on him as long, along with a book release.

That's true. I'm more confident than you. But that's okay. But yeah, like they're going to play what? two days after popping off that long flight. It just seems like everything's rushed. The business trip element of this is, I don't know. I think it should be more than that.

And it's okay. Like I am super excited about the game itself, right? Yeah, sure. But yeah, it does seem like the planning of this, this whole trip from the NFL's perspective. And we can lump the Eagles in there as well. Not the best. That's all.

I think that that's probably right. But, and I think the Brazil narrative is getting a little overblown too. Yeah, that's the thing that's disappointing. It's like all of the xenophobia about like, oh, like, come on. You can't be doing this in Brazil. Like, don't wear green. I lived in northeast D.C. for five years. I've lived in South Philadelphia.

You know, like, you have to be careful. A lot of places. I got shot in the chest the other day. Yeah. Like, you know, American Square. Like, yeah. I think it's taken on this narrative that's unfair to the country in Brazil. Yeah.

And, you know, the bristling, you know, from, you know, DeVante and all those guys about, like, you know, this. They're not treating it like that this is a cool thing. Yeah. And I understand why. Like, they got to fly 10 hours. they're just going to play a game. Hertz had a cool.

It's a little bit of a comment about it. He was the only one that I've seen that's like, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. This is cool. Everybody else is kind of like poop-go. It's weird though. Jalen is wired so like business-like. He's like,

I can do a business trip in a foreign country. I'm not sure if he had to do kind of the cool. Brazilians buy sneakers too. Yeah. What he's going for. All right. Well, we do have some Eagles news. And so we're going to bring on our Eagles insider.

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Yeah, Devin White, well, the Eagles are on a flight right now. They left at 10 a.m. Eastern time. Devin White's not on that plane. Devin White did not travel with the team, will not play against the Packers. Has an ankle injury was not something that had kept him out of practice last week, earlier this week, but showed up on the injury report yesterday and is not traveling with the team today. So you will have seen Nikobie Dean out there with Zach. Bonn frankly you might have seen Nikobie dean regardless deagles have been pretty

coy about what their plans were at linebacker as beau pointed out throughout the summer like that's a position that they kept rotating even though Devin white and Zach Bonner was the first guys up there was you know a big fan joe who's a straight shooter about most things right he he said this this week quin yaw mitchell's going to play right there's there's no pitch count on bernand He said as recently as, what was it, Monday or yeah, yeah, Monday, I'm sorry, the days are running together Monday, that linebacker is a spot that is still unsettled, but they're still figuring that out. And so, but look for Nikobe Dune to play there. I think he said a good summer, the best he's had during his three years here. And this could be his job going forward this season.

Do you expect that it will be Nicopi Dean and Zach Bond just throughout the game as your top two linebackers? or do you think we will see some kind of rotation with potentially Jeremiah Trotter Jr. or even Oren Berks involved? Sure. I want to roll either of those out. I do think Vaughn and Dean will be the first two up. But I don't think this is a position where there's an ironclad too. Now, Trotter didn't take as much work with the ones this year or this this summer.

But he did mix in some. Berks is someone experienced. He was wanting him on the 53 clearly, right? Now, save him in practice squad elevation. but he's someone that they liked in the time they signed him. So, yeah, I wouldn't rule that out, but I think Dean's going to be the top linebacker there, and I think Dean will be the one with the green dot. Last one on Devin White, who I think we can say the temperature was cooling off on, Zach.

You know, I think Jeff McLean reported that Dean might have beaten out Devin White anyway, and Albert Breer reporting that the Eagles potentially looking to trade Devin White in the lead up to the roster cutdown. What do you make of all that? And, you know, is Devin White going to be here for much longer? Well, the Eagles have a kind of a checkered history signing these better linebackers to team-friendly deals in the past. They've missed more than they've hit. I like the Devin White signing because of the upside.

I can't say Devin White clearly separated himself this year. If you were hoping the change of scenery was going to be beneficial, what's going to be what makes him play the way he did early in his career, that last year was a contract dispute. I don't think if you were watching practice this summer without the context of who he was, he would jump off to you. Now, there are athletic traits there that I like. And there's a track record, which is why I was in favor of the signing. But yeah, if Dean plays well and they're happy with the Dean and Bond combination, then I don't know if White's here the full season.

It's just, I think it's a little premature for me to say it. But it's certainly not good that he's not flying with the team this week. So, Zach, on that trade front, wouldn't it make sense? You're not really going to get anything for Devin White. Wouldn't it just make sense to carry him on the roster? Because Nikobe Dean hasn't really shown a proclivity to stay healthy here. Isn't Devin White better than going to pick up off the streets per se? Sure.

And that's, I think Alpert's report was saying like before cut down day, you know, if they could have gotten anything cut down. Okay. So you think that's over. Yeah, I don't know if it's the type of thing where, The Eagles have a set starting group and, you know, White's not contributing on special teams. Then you weigh kind of the merit of the roster spot. But again, I think it is premature to say that.

We've seen in the past, you know, I was listening yesterday. Again, the days are running together. It was yesterday night in the airport to Bow and Fran. They did a great job on yesterday's show their predictions. And they talked about Nicholas Morrow last year. And he had that three-sac game, right? like you know and then he's he's not even in the in the lineup a few weeks later um linebacker is a position where i think the eagles will cycle through this until they find the right group of guys

so if bond underachieves if if dean underachieves it could be white back in there like we you know it certainly makes sense to keep him around for for now and we kind of see how this develops i i'm in i'm in fit i like white uh and as as as bell will probably left like i the the name appeal is what jumps to me there, you know, because he's, there is a track record. We've seen him as to this before. You're a track record of him being benched last year by the coach who he seems like as a father figure. I mean, yes, yes.

I mean, we're talking about him compared to the alternatives, right? Now that they, they, they made a sizable investment for their standards, but certainly not a sizable investment for a linebacker standards. Like to give you an example, when we were doing the free agency discussions, right, one of the, you know, the, I was talking about Jordan Brooks. Jordan Brooks got like 10 plus million in free agency. Devin White, Eagles got them, I think, for what, four million guaranteed, three and a half million guaranteed. So it's really not a big financial investment. It is their biggest financial investment since Nigel Bradham. It's a little bit more than Kaiser White,

but it's not a big financial investment relatively speaking. So I think even they went into the signing, hoping, but not relying on this working. Well, I mean, you could make Would you rather have Sequin Barclay and Devin White or Jordan Brooks and Devin Singletary? I'll let you answer that question. Who would you rather have? I think I'd probably rather have the linebacker in this offense that can make the most out of a running back. Yeah. And this goes back to our conversation about like A players at A money compared to, you know,

if you're paying Jordan Brooks a lot of money and he's not an A player or even like an A-Money, a minus player, you would, you'd rather pay the top running back, top dollar. But I do see your point. Like, I'm not overwhelmed by paying Damon Singletary $5 million a year. But there are other avenues they could have gone. So I'm with you there. We can save this, this big picture conversation of the roster building for another time. Let's get to the scene setting here, Zach. Now, I know that you are disappointed with your backdrop here. Tell us and tell the audience, the lengths that you have tried to go to to bring us a better backdrop.

Yeah, so this is a point of frustration for me. Right now you see the interior window of my room. On the underside is the bathroom. I'm facing a window that I tried doing the hit from there. Toilet camp. It's really just an office building behind me. And then you see kind of a skyline. I'm not saying the skyline, and I'll get to that in a bit,

in the in the in the in the distance now the other side of the hotel where i think dave zanero is e j smith is based on instagram photos i've come here comes the fomo yeah no yeah they have this beautiful bridge okay and i've gone to the front desk twice and i've tried to see if i can get a room on that side and this isn't because like you know i want some some great view for me it's for the viewers i i i've been thinking i'm doing hits on john marks a show hits on anthony's show p hl y eagles hits like i want that view in the background they're telling me every single room in the hotel is booked uh it's the you know the NFL staying here this is oh i just looked at all right did you try sliding a little bit of cash dollar it's uh it's a pretty

bridge i think we're actually kind of missing out okay yeah so if you go on my instagram z underscore burman uh you can see that i i went up to the uh there's like a gym slash swimming pool the top floor went up there to take shots of it I went outside because I did I walked around the perimeter of the hotel looking for a visual because I did a 60 second short on the on the on the on the on the on the Devon White news and I wanted to do that outside and I found the spot there and I was trying to get the bridge in the background there just just didn't did not work out about 30 minutes ago Julia our terrific head of production I wanted to test out all

because I can't get that hotel Wi-Fi on the phone when I'm outside. So I wanted to see if the connection over the cellular was strong enough because I got the handy selfie stick here or tripod slash selfie stick. And I was going to do this outside while I, you know, just holding this up. And so you had this great backdrop in the background. Julia told me and she was right like, oh, well, she could only know. I'm not there. I can't know.

The connection was too spotty for that. So unfortunately, I said I'll come up to the hotel room and I'll try to see if I can get this background. And I tried angling the camera the right way. Then Bo says it's just an office building. So I'm deferring to the host here, Beau. But it's also dark. Your face was very dark. In any event, yeah.

In any event, I really want to get the right backdrop. I want to show people the scene. If you go to all our social accounts, you can see some of the scene in the background there. I will be at practice tomorrow from Corinthians Arena and I will come on our show from Corinthians Arena. Hopefully get a good backdrop there. But I look, I'm here. Our company invested in us being here.

I want to make sure that the audience sees beautiful South Palau. Zach, what have you eaten so far? Have you gotten any local cuisine yet? Yeah, give us to set the scene and get about the backdrops. Tell us about your experience. Yeah, the birds fans everywhere. What's what it looked like? Well, so, yeah.

So look, it's three days before, you know, I left on Tuesday night through Miami to South Pavel. So you would think a Tuesday night flight, Philly to Miami, Miami to South Paulo, maybe not be, it might not be full of Eagles fans. I got to tell you, full of Eagles fans. And I know, you know, if you watched Anthony's show the other day, some of the fan groups, you know, you know, like, Philly sports trips, like they're out here, right? Now, they're in Rio, all right?

They're doing Brazil the way Bo did. they're going to Rio and then they're only coming to South Powell like the day up I don't want to speak for them but like they're spending most of the time in Rio from from from my understanding but a lot of fans came independently and they were on my flight there was you know I was on the flight to Miami I was sitting right by John Clark and people passed John Clark and you know go birds go birds go birds go birds to John Clark right like they John's one of the most recognizable people in Philly. Right about to you?

About to you. Yeah. It's kind of messed up. Well, as PHLY continues to grow, there's going to be more people saying. Nobody recognized you? We don't need to get into that. No. Did anybody recognize you?

Not really. No. Well, hold on. Were you doing the sunglasses? Did you have your baseball cap on? Your incognito mode. Your baseball cap with no logo, the black one? Yes, yeah.

I had to have that. You pull it down low. I could see how you'd go and notice. Yeah. Now, look, I mean, yeah, yeah. But it was- I know your travel gear. So I was, you know, John Clark, by the way, John's the man.

He's in the Miami airport shouting over to me from the other side. Kyle Schwerver just hit a home run, right? So shout out to John there. He was getting, this was like, This was like 1045 in the Miami airport. So anyways, a lot of Eagles fans coming down here for sure. Did sleep on the plane. I know that was something you wanted to know.

Got a good chunk of sleep. The chat unanimously taking the under on four and a half hours. I would also take an under on Zach. But he might have had some performance enhancing drugs. What do we think? A little bit of an upset here. I fell asleep early in the flight. and you know it's one of those things like you wake up off and on but you're still in your sleep trance

you fall back to sleep right yeah um woke up with like an hour and a half to go on the flight set five hours and three in 33 minutes a quarter of quarter the book the book is absolutely cashing in just raking it what a big what a big day for the p hely sports the pfair 365 is about to buy more advertising yeah i was um i was pleasantly surprised it It made the flight fly through. I actually, you know, the flight back, I'm taking nonstop. That's a 10-hour flight on the way back. I got to figure out how I can tap into what happened last night because if you tell me I can sleep for six hours and only have like, you know, be awake for four hours of the flight.

Sign me up for that. That's great. And I don't know. I mean, I'm trying to figure out if the flight home right now does not have the little Wi-Fi logo on it, that's a concern. Day after game, want to do some follow-up writing. for follow-up columns. So we're going to we're paying close attention to see if that Wi-Fi logo appears sometimes. So Zach, if you hadn't slept the whole time, what were you planning on watching? And don't tell me work and writing and all that. You had to watch a little

something. No, that's the thing. I wasn't going to write on that because I wanted to sleep. Like I specifically said for that flight, because there's only a one-hour time difference, I can't catch up on sleep here. I wanted them to make sure that I slept on that flight. But I did download a few things onto my iPad. And then I was going to, you know, both kept talking about succession. No, no, both talked. I never watched the final season of succession. I downloaded the final season of succession.

But I got to say, I want to go to sleep. And when I'm going to sleep, I need either like something I'm familiar with. So I'm not attached to the plot lines. And so Ted Lassow put that on this, you know, they had it on the screen in front of us, you know, on the end, the in-seat screen. Ted Lassau was watching that episode. I didn't even get to the result of the game. Boom. It was out right away.

So thank you, Jason Sadecas. Well, Zach, I think I can speak for everybody here, everybody in the chat, and especially Emily, we are, we are proud of you. We are proud of you for sleeping. Yeah. Try to get some sleep. This is a new year, new you. Well, no, this is, I mean, I'm not planning on sleeping a lot while I'm here. It's just that specific night.

But Emily is controlling the Twitter account, so you might see some tweets. She's having a little, she's having a little too much fun with it. She's like, you know, she put it up. She put up the first three tweets. She said, that was so easy. Do you need anything more? And I'm like, you know, you have enough to do at home. I don't want to buy your time off.

And she's like, no, just text and I'll copy and paste. So she's controlling the Twitter account right now. And then to answer Jamie's question, I had, I, I walked around to, in the kind of area here. So the hotel that I'm in is a little bit like removed from, I guess, the hubboat with the city. It's more kind of the financial area. There's a mall that's attached to it that I walk by. There's three. Now, no, no is Brazil far better than me.

This might be a thing in Brazil. Three different buffets that I pass by. Is that a big thing? Like lunch buffets? I mean I was in Rio for five days I'm not like a I'm not like a scholar

of the whole city I'm not like a pretty it's a pretty vast place three different buffets three three different buffets and it's a big stew country oh yeah

great stew yeah there was like a sampling of like six six different stews you know you can go with the the let me I don't want to say

all like the different meats that were in the stews but big stew city why you were afraid of offending by putting the meats in the snow because i don't want to miss like that night and there there was some like if the oxtail's watching this i don't want him to know that i forgot him i got to tell you on like an 85 degree day i'm not a big hot stew guy um fortunately as i said that's fair there's there's the uh there's the highest concentration of japanese people here in seven South Palo outside of Japan. Like it's, it's, I can give a lot of South Palo facts that I've looked up.

So had a little sushi with the buffet, had a nice combination of, of the, of the sushi rolls, and the stew and a little of a salad. And then the, I want a little pick me up and I went to the coffee bar at the hotel and I said, I said, what do you recommend at a Brazil coffee shop? And he said he told me cappuccino and I said went in Brazil. So I'll have the cappuccino. Are you planning on trying any exotic meats this week? Are you going to go outside your comfort zone?

That's not out of my comfort zone. But I am going to, yeah, look, Bo told me, don't overrate the Brazilian steakhouse experience. I've had multiple people, including those living in South Powell who reached out, who specifically recommended the same Brazilian steakhouse. So I got to give that a shot. All right. And so, depending on- It is so perfectly you to end up at a buffet and just know that because there's a high concentration, this fact that you know that you've picked up, well, and then I got to get the buffet sushi. Well, how was it?

I mean, I better sushi this though. I feel like the grocery store. We're like, oh, well, you know. Yeah. And then I said, you know, and then they asked me what you want to drink. And I said, what do you have? And they said they had their house juice. The house juice is a combination of like different like fruits and ginger was in there.

It was fine. It was good. But I'm very curious to explore more of the South Powell. What a rave review? The sushi was in and the house juice was fine. But, well, I've only had one meal here. I mean, I've been here for six hours, right? But this is what I need to say, okay?

And I'm sorry, I know we have ad breaks. We need to get to. I'm sorry, but I will say the sprawl in this city is incredible. So there's 21 million people who live in the like whole South Palo area. You know, there's 14 million in the municipality, 21 million in the area. 21 million in the area. It's the most densely populated city in the Americas. And you can see it.

Like typically you have a downtown or like a city, you know, like Philly has Center City, Manhattan, you know, you have that one area. Here it's so sprawled out. It took an hour and a half from the airport to the hotel. It's going to take two and a half hours from the hotel to the stadium, two hours tomorrow from the stadium to the game. I asked people like, where can I walk to? And they say, you don't walk.

You know, you have to go anywhere. And everywhere is like 20 minutes, 30 minutes away. It is so sprawled out here. But I'm trying to kind of see as much as I can of Sal Powell within reason. I know in case Emily's watching here within reason, but I will, I am making sure that I am getting the full South Powell experience as much as they can. including, by the way, I say South Powell experience. Sal Pal Antonio, too. I saw Sal Pal in the lobby today.

South Pal and South Powell and South. My pal are. Your pal. What are the odds? Yeah, it's great seeing Sal. Like to see 21 million people inside him. Excuse me? I'll respond to that.

But it was great seeing Sal. Oh, Zach. But I want to give you one chance. Give us the 30 second plug on what people can read about your trip to Sequin Barclay's hometown, which is up on all-P-H-L-Y.com. Yeah, first up, I do want to publicly recognize Bo here. Bo carried us with our special section. I'm proud of the special section.

Bo is, Bo was the leader with that and has four pieces. I highly recommend all of them. My piece was the Sequan Berkeley piece. If you remember, I missed practice one day because Eagles changed Monday and Tuesday. I went out there. And I asked Sequin before I went out there. I said, where should I eat? Okay.

And he told me the restaurant, Samuel Owens restaurant. So I go to Samuel Allen's restaurant. And across the street from Samuel Allen's restaurant is a rock that says home of Seekoine Berkeley and Seekwan Berkeley's achievements. Now, walk into the restaurant. And this very nice woman, Stacey, at the front, she, She greets me and I, you know, or well, she wasn't greeting me. She was sitting me down and I, uh, I told her what I was there for.

And I said, do you know Seekon? Do I says, do I know Sequin? Um, he lived in the apartment above me for seven years. Like, what are the odds? You know, and I, I saw Sequin a week later for him. I was talking to him for the story. And I said, I spoke to Stacy. And he looks at me like, I'm creeping on him.

And I'm like, how did you meet Stacy? And I, I said she was working. She was working at San Juan's restaurant. And then I was, you know, so I was scrolling through some of the pictures on my phone with Sequin. I was like genuine, you know, unless he's a great actor, which which might be the case, he sees some of these pictures. And he's like, wow, he's like, you know, I need to bring my daughter to see that. And I, you know, he says, he said at one point, like, this is before I was saying, like, this is when I was just say, say to everybody. right and so you really got the sense and talking to him and being there like who he was before he was

sepuan berkeley if you will and uh this and a really coming back to this area is very meaningful for him uh because of that he didn't grow up an eagles fan he grew up a jet's fan but all his boys are eagles fans and uh in addition to that like the the idea now it took me 57 minutes to get there uh from a little bit like west of dilly from Montgomery county Sequin says he gets there in 45 minutes. Like he drives considerably faster than I do. But anyways, like the idea that he's... No, left foot Barclay, right?

I know. The idea that... Oh yeah, but the idea that he's so close to home is meaningful to him. And I tried to kind of paint the scene for the readers. Check that out in addition to all the other stories and all p.l.l.com. All right, Zach. We do have to let you go, but we also have a super chat for you from Chase Daniel Plainview who says, who says, Zach, did you make a takeoff joke to John Clark?

Oh. I did not make a takeoff joke to John Clark, although I felt bad because I was in the bulkhead seat, okay? And John was in the row behind me. So John was in, well, it's not row two. It's like row eight and bulkheads row seven, whatever it is, right? And John's like a foot taller than me, right? And so I was going to offer John my seat

because he needs a legroom more than I do. Don't hit the player, hit the game. Yeah, but then there was the bulkhead seat across from me. It was open. I was waiting for him to move. He did not move. But yeah, I did not make that joke to John. It's always good scene, John.

All right, Zach, go paint some more pictures of the scene. You know, see if there's any other, you know, gas station sushi places. Yeah, please keep a food diary of the, of your week. I'd be, I'd love to read that. It's a good idea. Yeah, there's a cookie place in the mall that, that I was gonna pass up the sweets, but when in Sao Powell,

I'm here on the company, like, the audience wants to know my cookie reviews. So I will go and I will take, I'll take a picture of the cookies and I will tell people how the Salpalo cookies are. All right, thank you very much, Zach. And we go from one ZB to another talking about our friends at Z biotics. Now, I know Rich has a tough situation

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not necessarily involved in what Zach and I were, you know, semi-arguing about the roster building. But just a temperature check for you, another year where we don't know what to expect or we sort of expect that the Eagles linebackers are going to be a problem? in this game in particular. You know, the Packers very good at manipulating those linebackers. Seems like a place where they can make some hay.

What's like you're just as an Eagles fan, like level of trust here? Are you a little bit over having to worry about this? Yeah, I mean, it feels like we're back at square one. I mean, it really does. And honestly, for most of the training camp, I think pretty much every observer said, all right, Devin White is, he looks fine. He's getting most of the first team steps. Now, you would say it's probably fair to point out.

hard to gauge linebackers. It's the most difficult because, yeah, you can't tell from the sideline view if guys are in the right place or not. You know, now, Nacobi Dean at the open practice at the link, like missed a few tackles in the open field. Yeah, that was obvious. That is when, like, you can see stuff, yeah. But, I mean, Devin White, most of the stuff that he was doing was coming forward.

Yeah. And, you know, you can make the case that if that is what he's doing, it's probably not a good sign. And real quick, you would also agree that over the last week, week and a half, of training camp. It looked like Nikobe Dean was making enough, like, you know, at the open practice, he was making enough bad plays that stood out. He actually was making some good

plays that stood out. He was. There's one that pops in mind where he was actually like in coverage on Devante Smith on a crossing round and made a nice play. And that's one where like, okay, that's one to, you know, keep in the back of your mind because that's what you need to see. I still, I think it's a little bit overblown. Like, I don't think that Nekobo Dean was like, you know, looking like

mid-career Bobby Wagner out there at practice. But I do agree that it was cleared the low bar of his best summer so far. So my concern on all this is Zach Bonn. Yeah, exactly. We're just like... Trott Jr. and Nukobi Dean have physical limitations where they aren't an ideal pair together.

Right. If Zach Bonn isn't good, they might be screwed. Like, Nukobi Dean is tough because, one, you have to count on him being healthy, which he hasn't shown an ability to do in two years. Now, three, Zach Bonn is a total wildcard in this.

And if Trot and Nkobi can't be paired together because teams are just going to pick on him in the passing game, I mean, this is, yeah, I mean, the fact that the ban thing is entirely theoretical. Yeah. I thought he looked better than I expected him to this summer, and his instincts seemed a little bit better than I would have expected, given the fact that he has never really played the position full time.

You know, over the course of his four-year rookie contract with the Saints, according to true media, I was looking it up. He has like 150 snaps in coverage. You know, Devin White had like 450 last year, right? So that's just showing you how little he's actually been asked to do that. So yeah, like, you know, Vic Fangio loved Zach Bonn. He's, you know, that's part of the reason that he's here. You know, you go back to like when he was asked about the linebackers in the spring.

He was the first guy he mentioned. Yeah. So I think he's going to have a chance. I'm pretty skeptical that it's going to last just because like if he could do that, wouldn't he have done that before? And so that's why I kind of think that, I mean, I like Trott Jr. I think eventually he will be involved here. But I'm curious if Orrin Berks now is going to be a guy who's who's going to like shockingly play.

That's that's what like the news say. He goes from barely making the 53 to he might actually. He didn't make the 53. He got called up from the practice spot. It feels like we're hanging by dental floss from Warren Berks. Already eating. And it's not even game one yet. Yeah.

It's also like the palace intrigue with the reporting on this too. Like I could accept, okay, Devin White's hurt like he can't play. Right. But the idea of you don't know what Zach Bond's going to give you. We don't know what Nikobe Dean's going to give you. Like, let's say Nikobe Dean hits. Let's say he plays well. Why can't he play with Devin White?

And now it seems like this is almost being taken off the table. It's a little bit on my radar of like this, this season, which is like, oh, like, okay, how serious are they? Like, are they really together? Like, you know, like all these moving parts who were just crammed into one, you know, Frankenstein body and like, oh, there's nothing to see here. Nick and Jalen are totally fine. like, you know, we're all getting along.

We're all buddy, buddy. And then the day before they fly to Brazil, like this guy who wasn't on the injury report, basically at all, is all of a sudden out with an ankle injury? Like, come on. Yeah. What do you think the Packers are doing right now? You know, finding ways to execute him in the middle of the field. Well, they're not doing that, but they are finding, all right, well, if Trotter gets playing time,

we're going to pick on him as soon as he steps on the field. If Zach Bond is, you know, they look at his preseason tape, and think he over pursues everything, they're going to draw up something to counter that. They're just going to attack or it just feels like the linebackers are just going to continue to get attacked. Now, the one thing I will say is, Nikobie Dean is like as, like, fun a player to root for.

Sure. Like he seems like an awesome guy. If the narrative arc is like, didn't play his rookie year, disappointed his second year, and then now he's finally healthy, you know, both of his feet are no longer Liz Franked, and he's able to, you know, hold down that position. I think that would be a great story. And, you know, certainly he is a guy who, like, the guys on the team gravitate towards to some degree. So he's a player to root for it.

I pull for him, but it's far from, we don't know what he is, and it's year three. It's weird. I also wonder, too, like, because, you know, if they are bad, there's going to be a lot of, you know, hand-wring about, oh, you should have put more resources in the linebacker position. I think Sequin would be the person that people go to. I'm also just like, if you look around the league, there are not, you know, two linebackers for every team. There are not 64 good linebackers, good starting linebackers in the league. And, you know, there are like five.

Yeah. So there is a little bit of this where like other teams have questions. Sure. If you look at the other depth charts, it's just that the Eagles have been. This is historically their same problem over and over and over again. Yeah. So here we are again. Well, you know, they got a chance to go out and prove it on Friday.

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You're trying to draft a team of the most defensive snaps played cumulatively. Okay. Now it's difficult. It's difficult. Let's figure out our order. You two guys play rock, paper, scissors. And the winner gets to pick which spot they have. Yeah.

Best of one. two, three, shoot, not shoot on three. Okay. One, two, three, shoot. All right. Jamie tape. One, two, three, not rock paper, scissors, huh? Yeah, I've always been a one, two, three guy.

Rock, paper, scissors. I guess I kind of mix them up. You know what I, you know what I did growing up? And I still look at, Rachel, my wife makes fun of me for this. Rock paper, scissors says shoot. You ever heard that? No, that's psycho stuff. What are the official rules?

I think they actually have national championships for this stuff. They do, the Rochambeau. Imagine being good at that, like, gear to year. I knew a kid from college that actually went to the U.S. open of it, and it was like a big event on a stage. Really? Yeah. I feel like he's probably cheating. Like he's got like, you know. Rachel Braggs about shooting. She won a tournament at Disney World. Really?

When she was a kid. So yes. Wow. Big feather in her cap. Also, my son, he's been watching this show, Rescue Riders. It's like a dragon show. And they play Hay Rock Fire instead of Rock Day. What does Hay beat? Hey beats Rock.

covers rock. Okay. Rock puts out the fire, and the fire obviously puts the hay in flames. Yeah. I wouldn't want to be it. But the difficulty of this is you always want to throw fire because fires like this. It's just fun to do. Like, you want to go like this.

That's way more fun than hay. I mean, rock, but fire. Like, you get to move your fingers around. That's way better. All right. Jamie, you want to go first, second, or third? I guess I will go, oh. I'll go third.

Okay. Rich, what do you want to do? That would have been my. pick as well I'll go second. All right, I got to lead off. Now, leading off is tough. Yeah, that's because you think about it, like the guys in the secondary, if you have guys who are going to play, they're going to play the most, but there's a lot of like injury risk there. CJ Gardner Johnson hasn't stayed healthy in three seasons. Reed Blankenship has an injury history. Derris Slay is 34. And that's why I'm going off the board here. I'm taking my number one pick. I'm going

Quinnian Mitchell. Wow. I'm going with the rookie. You know, Vic Fangio said the other day, he's, He's ready to play every snap. I think if he stays healthy, he's going to be on the field. I'm going Quignan. He was in my top tier. I will say that. Item second. So I think that's a good pick.

I understand it. After what Vick said yesterday, you don't know where he's going to play, but I think he's going to play. And obviously the injury element of this too, because we're looking at a couple things here, right? Like playing time. Yep. Performance, obviously.

And durability, maybe the biggest one. And then position. Yeah, yeah. That's the other one with injuries and stuff. Okay, so Quinyon Mitchell was number two, so I'm going to take my number one pick. Okay. Feels a not, probably not as good of a player as Quinyon Mitchell. I am going to take Reed Blankenship.

Okay, reasonable. He was in my top tier as well. Second last year, by the way, I would not have been able to tell you offhand that James Bradbury led the defense in Snows. Not almost 92% of the snows. It really wasn't that close. I think Slay was second, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe I have that wrong, but I was looking it up prior to the show. So I think it was Bradbury Blankenship Slay, something like that.

Yeah. So, and I mean, I remember in the off season, I forget what the program is where the NFL gives money to kind of players on rookie contracts that play. Yes, yes. I think Reed Blankenship got the second biggest payout in the entire league last year with that. So I think, like, look, it's not perfect. Like, he could get injured. Performance, maybe I'm a little bit worried about because they do have some other options back there at safety. But I'm going to go with Reed second.

All right. You guys took. I had three guys in my top tier, first round picks. You guys took two of the three. How did your draft go last night, by the way? I think pretty great. Okay. I got graded an A-plus, and Yahoo said I'm going to win the links.

I'll take that. Congrats. Yeah, thank you. Big night in the house. So I'm going to save my pick for the first round because I get the snake, so I mentally feel better about him being a second round pick. For keepers for next year. Yeah.

So I'm going to go with the baby rhino. Nice. I'm going to take Jaylon Carter here in the first. He was not in my top tier. He was actually the first of my second tier. but a little reverse psychology on myself. Now I get Darius Slay in the second round. I feel better about taking the old cornerback there.

You just like the value. Yeah, yeah, it's good value in the second round. Well, the Carter thing is the big question here. Sure. And actually, I think I would have had him as my second pick just because he's going to play. They need him. And if you look at the dolphin snaps last year,

Christian Wilkins played the third most snaps of anybody on that defense. I didn't even go that deep. They had some injuries on the outside. but this is our expectation that Vic Vanjo wants to really push the needle on how often those defensive linemen are on the field. All of the emphasis has been for Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis on like increasing their level of fitness. You know, I did the poll story of asking everybody on the team who's going to have a big season this year. And Devante Smith, who is usually like a very reliable narrator. It's a great piece, by the way.

Everyone should read that. He said Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis because of their fitness. like because of them seeming like they're going to be ready to play all these snaps. And so Jalen Carter, who I think has a chance to like have a breakout season and compete for a defensive player of the year potentially, I think he's going to be on the field. The thing that really got me kind of like horned up about it was watching Myelada and Lane Johnson on Chris Long's podcast. And you're like, you know when like you see somebody that is talking about a, you know, a mutual. And they're just kind of like this like glow and like holy bleep, like this guy. has it and they all

just were raving about Jalen Carter. So I think he's going to be on the field more than maybe I expected. And then I'll take Slay second. So I'm happy with that snake. Do we think it's a little weird that Sean Desai basically ran these guys into the ground last year? I'm like, look. Maddie Pencils, the worst defensive coordinator

I've ever seen in my life. He did not have a very fresh defensive line he was working with at that point. And then they go, all right, we're going to take the guy who just believes. Just get out there. Did you see Maddie P., by the way? He's hosting the show. The cameo on the Belichick show on the Underdog Network? Very funny.

There was like a jump cut too because like it was a surprise. I know. And like Belichick, it is so funny that he's still demanding to take his his fail son staff with him wherever he goes in media. Like, yeah, come on. Defensive coordinator to Underdog Fancy. There you go. Okay.

Next one. So I had one more player. I do not feel great about this because of injury. I feel as long as he is healthy, he's going to play every snap. He's a phenomenal player. I think he's going to bring an element of toughness and just he's an irritant to other teams. So I'm talking about C.J. Gardner Johnson. So the counterpoint and why I'm a little bit scared because the secondary guys play the most

is that he has played in 15 regular season games the last two years. It's not a lot. Yeah, I had him in my second tier as well. I think it's a good pick. but it's just dependent on health. Yeah. Yeah, like if you ask me which player would I bet on to play 100% of the snaps this week, it would be C.J. Gardner-Johnson.

No doubt about it. He's going to be on the field as long as he's healthy for every snap, but he has to prove that he can stay healthy. And it's, you know, it's one of those things where he would say that they've all been fluky. You know, it's not like there's something about his body, but this is a player who invites contact and sort of invites that flukiness because of the way that he uses his body, which is what makes him such a good player.

So, yeah, I think you're right. Now that was like the top five tier for me. So now it's a, now it's a bit of a drop off. We were all simpatico there. Yeah, you guys, we got that exactly as I, a little bit different, but those five for sure. So now I got to just go with, like I could take an upside swing, but I'm actually, I'm going to stick with at the turn here.

I'm going to take the two edge rushers and get the snaps that they're going to play. I'm going to say Bryce Huff, Josh Swett. Those are going to be my two little picks. It's a nice little one-two combo piece. You know, I could, yeah, I could go. The nickel, we don't know if there's going to be a full-time nickel. Is Keely Ringo where Isaiah Rogers

is going to be on the outside? I know that Bryce Huff and Josh Swet. I'm going for floor here. So I'm going to take those two guys. I like that. So I'm either going to come in first or I'm going to come in last year. And really like, what are the sticks? I mean, we're probably not. Like, Dana's just not even going

to bother. to get job so it doesn't matter. So I'm going to take Nicoby Dean. Ah, I was considering. And look, his injury history, he has the two question marks where we don't know if he's good and we don't know if he's going to stay healthy.

Sure. But like I think if, you know, he gets into a groove here, like the top linebacker plays all the snaps. So I will take that and he will play either, you know, 80% of the snaps or 20% of the snaps. All right. Big snake.

coming my way here. Gotta watch where I say that. I'm going to go, this is tough. I think I'm going to go with Keely Ringo. Wow. That's a nice up. That's an upside swing. Yeah, an upside swing there.

And I think I'm going to go, who, Milton Williams. Okay. I think he's going to steal a job at some point this year. Yeah, I mean, there's a real chance, I think, that he ends up playing more snaps. And he seems durable, so I feel confident that health-wise he'll be there.

It's just can he prove it? And look, is he in a contract here? He is. There's a lot to play for. So, yeah, I don't love those two picks, but I feel okay about him. I like that. You've got Carter, Slay, Ringo, Milton. I think we can go all six rounds here.

I think we can get to 18 guys who have a reasonable shot to be a part of this defense. Go ahead, Rich. All right, I will take a higher floor player. There's another one that I was looking at that I think. thought, you know, could be another like 80, 20 guy. We'll see. I'm going to take Jordan Davis next. Yeah, he was who I was considering. Yeah, he's like, look, he's not going to play as much as Jalen Carter. I'm sure they don't want him completely gasped, but he's also far and away the best player that they have at a starting position. So go with him. Hope he gets up to, you know,

50-ish percent, and we'll take that and move on. Okay. At this point, I feel like I have to take the upside swing on Cooper DeGine. Yeah, I think there's a chance come week three that he becomes a close to full-time player. So I'm going to take Cooper DeGine. And then I'm on the fence here. You know, I could go linebacker. I could go Nolan Smith.

I could make a, you know, make a case for Avanti Maddox or Isaiah Rogers. Do I believe in the Zach Bond thing? I'm going to go. It's tough. I feel like I crossed on someone I wasn't supposed across. I feel like I did that too.

I'm going to go. I'm going bold. Oh, bold and beautiful. I know where he's going. I'm taking Trot Jr. Yep. I've just, I've been, it's been what I expect to happen

all season long, all off the season long. By midseason, he becomes a close to full-time player. I'm going to, I'm going to go in bed on Trot, you. It's a good, it's a good pick. You put him on the table. I respect it. All right.

Well, since I have the two safeties, I think you could make an argument that Avanti Maddox, you know, he could be the nickel in a couple days. He could provide some versatility and safety. But since I have the two safeties, I don't want to root for that. I want those guys to play the entire year. Yeah. So I am going to take, I'm going to take Zach Bung.

Oh, right. We'll see how that goes. That's the right pick. Hey, and look, maybe it's a thing where I get most of the snaps in the first half of the year. Bo gets most of the snaps in the second half of the year when Trott Jr. proves that he is the better player at that point. But, you know, Zach, just give me, just give me September. That's all.

Yeah, he wasn't going to get past me. I was hoping kind of Bonn would fall to me there a little bit. But I will take Nolan Smith. Okay. I think dude's got a massive opportunity to get some big playing time if he shows up early. So I'll take the gamble there. And then on the way back pick, Jalen Carter, Darius Slay, Keeley Ringo, Milton Williams. No, Ringo's off the board.

No, no, those are my bag. That's who you have. Part of me wants to say Devin White just because. Yeah, sure. Sure, why not? Like, it could be so bad that he's forced in to play, but I don't know. I mean, if we had done this draft yesterday, he would have been like the second guy taken. He would have been high.

Isaiah Rogers. Like, I just think cornerback so competitive. I don't know if you can wiggle in there as much. I'm going to, hmm. No, because if I go OJMO, that means that Jordan Davis is a massive failure. Or he's taking Milton snaps, potentially. Yeah, I will. Brandon Graham.

I mean, I don't think BG's. going to be playing much I'll do it I'll take Devon White as a risky yeah late round pick high upside all right actually have read Blankenship C.J. Garner Johnson the Kobe Dean Jordan Davis Jack Bond well there's a few options here no no Isaiah Rogers yet all right no is there on no Sydney Brown yeah Sydney Brown Avanti Matt what's he missing at least four at least four and J Alex Hunt or in Berks if you want to bet on it Brandon Graham that's possible I'll take more OJMO.

I had OJMO. You're going my third tier. Yeah, low floor. That's good. Or high floor, rather. It loves you. Okay. I didn't trust my board there.

I had OJMO ahead of Devin White. That's okay. Yeah. I'm going to close it out. I do think there's a chance that Avante is going to make us all look dumb here. Yeah. And could be the nickel this week and just hold that job. There's a chance Isaiah Rogers makes us look dumb.

And, you know, is a full-time starter on the outside. BG, J Alex Hunt involved, but I'm going to go against your safety tandem, and I am going to take Sidney Brown. I think there's a chance that second half of the season, he's a full-time starting player on the defense. So I'm going to take Sidney Brown to join my group of Quinnian Mitchell, Bryce Huff, Josh Sweat, Cooper DeGine, Jeremiah Trotter, and now Sydney Brown. What perfect timing. We nailed this thing. Right on the post. Right on it.

Fantastic. I can't teach that. Well, thank you guys for joining us for this episode of the PHLY Eagles podcast. We are back tomorrow, the professor and Fran Duffy. We're going to be getting a little bit more into the weeds of this Eagles Packers matchup. And then on Friday, Jamie and potentially rich, maybe a mystery guest at 2 o'clock. As we count down the hours at that point to the game itself. You've also got the kickoff show from the tradesman.

Yeah, looking forward to that. Barbecue. Fantastic. I love barbecue. You can join. You might as well. I mean, what else? What better plans do you have on Friday night than watching it with a bunch of other sickos at the tradesmen?

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